Jan 14, 2020 City Council Meeting 3pm

THE CITY CLERK HAS POSTED ORDERS WITH GERMAN OF THE DECEMBER 10TH, 2019 MEETING AND THE AGENDA OF THE JANUARY 14TH, 2020 MEETING IN ACCORDANCE WITH STATE LAW, COUNSELING COUNSEL AND HOUSING AUTHORITY POLICY.

[ POSTINGS: The City Clerk posted Orders of Adjournment of the December 10, 2019, Meeting and the Agenda of the January 14, 2020, Meeting in accordance to State Law and Council/Authority/Successor Agency to the Redevelopment Agency Policy.]

WE HAVE NO PRESENTATIONS ONTO THESE AGENDA, SO THAT BRINGS US TO AGENDA CHANGE OF STAFF.

DO YOU HAVE ANY AGENDA CHANGES, SIR? WE HAVE NO CHANGES TO THE AGENDA COUNCIL.

THAT BRINGS

[7. CONSENT ITEMS: Consent Items are routine matters enacted by one motion according to the RECOMMENDATION listed below. With the concurrence of the City Council, a Council Member or person in attendance may request discussion of a Consent Item at this time.]

US TO CONSENT ITEMS. CONSENT ITEMS ARE ROUTINE MATTERS AND ACTED BY ONE MOTION ACCORDING TO THE RECOMMENDATION LISTED BELOW.

WITH THE CONCURRENCE OF THE CITY COUNCIL COUNCIL MEMBER OR PERSON IN ATTENDANCE BAY REQUEST.

DISCUSSION OF A CONSENT ITEM AT THIS TIME.

COUNCIL MEMBERS DO WISH TO PULL ANY OF THE CONSENT ITEMS. STAFF? YES SIR.

ANGEL, DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS FOR CONSENT ITEMS? NO SIR, WE DO NOT.

I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT ITEMS. MOVING.

SECONDED.

PLEASE VOTE.

THAT BRINGS US TO PUBLIC COMMENT.

[ PUBLIC COMMENT: At this time, any person may address a matter within the jurisdiction of the City Council/Housing Authority/Successor Agency to the El Cajon Redevelopment Agency that is not on the Agenda. Comments relating to items on today’s docket are to be taken at the time the item is heard. State law prohibits discussion or action on items not on the Agenda; however, Council, Authority and Agency Members may briefly respond to statements or questions. An item may be placed on a future Agenda.]

AT THIS TIME, ANY PERSON MAY ADDRESS A MATTER WITHIN THE JURISDICTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL HOUSING AUTHORITY SUCCESSOR AGENCY TO THE ALCOHOL REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY.

THAT WAS NOT ON THE AGENDA.

COMMENTS RELATING TO OUR ITEMS ON TODAY'S AGENDA ALREADY BE TAKEN AT THE TIME THAT THE ADAM IS HEARD.

STATE LAW PROHIBITS DISCUSSION OR ACTION ON ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA.

HOWEVER, CITY COUNCIL AND HOUSING AUTHORITY MEMBERS MAY BRIEFLY RESPOND TO THE STATEMENTS OR QUESTIONS AND ITEM OF COURSE MAY BE PLACED ON A FUTURE AGENDA.

ANGELA, DO WE HAVE ANY CARDS UNDER PUBLIC COMMENT? YES SIR.

WE HAVE THREE SPEAKERS.

THE FIRST ONE IS PAUL PALUMBO.

HELLO SIR.

THANK YOU MAYOR.

GOOD EVENING, CITY COUNCIL.

MAYOR WALES.

MY NAME IS PAUL PALOMBO.

I HAVE WORKED FOR THE CITY FOR 22 YEARS AND WORKED FOR THE CITY OF ESCONDIDO FOR SEVEN, ABOUT 29 YEARS.

SAD AND HERE TO TELL YOU THAT I'VE JUST RETIRED THIS PAST DECEMBER.

IT'S BEEN AN HONOR AND A PRIVILEGE TO WORK HERE AT THE CITY OF EL CAHONE AND FLEET SERVICES AS THE POLICE AND FIRE MECHANIC.

I AM VERY GRATEFUL FOR THE CAREER THE CITY HAS GIVEN ME AND LEARNED SO MUCH.

I LOVE MY JOB AND LOOK FORWARD TO EVERY DAY TO COME TO WORK AND PUT POLICE CARS BACK IN NEW CONDITION.

THE LEVEL OF SERVICE I'LL HAVE OFFERED THE ELK HOME PD HAS BEEN EXTRAORDINARY TO SAY THE LEAST.

REPAIRING EVERYTHING FROM TORN SEATS, LOOSE SPOTLIGHTS, AC BREAKS, ET CETERA, THEY DESERVE, THAT'S EL CAHONE PD DESERVE THE BEST REPAIRED CARS POSSIBLE AND HAVE THEM BACK IN SERVICE QUICKLY BECAUSE I KNOW ELKHORN POLICE OFFICERS ARE IN THEIR CARS 10 TO 12 HOURS AT A SHIFT AND THERE ARE NOT MANY EXTRA CARS AT TIMES.

I HOPE THE CITY PLANS TO PROVIDE A PERSON TO GIVE THE SAME CARE.

PRIDE, DEDICATION TO PROFESSIONALISM THAT I DID TO REPAIRING THE POLICE CARS WELL MADE ME A PERFECT FIT FOR THE CITY WAS THAT I WAS A CLASSIC CAR RESTORE, WHICH IS A PERSONAL TRAIT NEEDED FOR THIS JOB.

THE ALK HOME, UH, PD FLEET WAS MY TOP PRIORITY ABOVE MY FAMILY AT TIMES AND I HAVE NOT TAKEN MANY VACATIONS BECAUSE I PERSONALLY WANTED EVERY POLICE CAR TO BIEBER PREPARED CORRECTLY.

MY HEART AND SOUL IS IN EVERY CAR THAT HAS PASSED THROUGH MY BAY AT THE CITY GARAGE.

EVERY POLICE OFFICER IN THIS CITY DESERVES THE CLEANEST, SAFEST CAR WHEN THEY ARE, WHEN HE OR SHE ROLLS OUT OF THE POLICE STATION.

AND AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR THE PRIVILEGE OF WORKING HERE AT THE CITY OF ALCOA HOME.

THERE IS NO WORDS THAT CAN EXPRESS MY GRATITUDE ENOUGH.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

GOD BLESS.

HOLD ON.

SO WHEN DID YOU RETIRE? I RETIRED DECEMBER 26 I NOTICED THE CARS HAD BEEN KIND OF HINKY SINCE, BUT IT'S BEEN

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A PRIVILEGE.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR IT.

HOW LONG DID YOU WORK FOR THE CITY AGAIN? A WORK FOR ESCONDIDA FOR SEVEN YEARS AND I TRANSFERRED TO EL CAHONE AND 1997 AND FOR 22 YEARS HERE.

OKAY, GOOD.

WELL THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR EVERYTHING YOU'VE DONE AND WE APPRECIATE IT.

OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS OUR CON SOMA.

MR SOMO.

GOOD AFTERNOON MR MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS.

MY NAME IS , I'M THE PRESIDENT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD MARKET ASSOCIATION.

AS YOU SEE, YOU HAD AN ITEM, UM, RELATED TO THE ORDINANCE THAT YOU PASSED, UH, RELATING TO TOBACCO AND WE WERE SUPPOSED TO COME AND MAKE A WHOLE PRESENTATION BUT I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HEARD, BUT UH, THE COUNTY OF SAN DIEGO IS DEBATING THEIR OWN UH, UH, VAPING AND FLAVOR BAN AND SUPPOSED TO START AT NINE AND THEY PUSHED US TO SWAN AND THERE IS ABOUT A HUNDRED SPEAKERS.

SO I DID MY THING AND THEN I HAVE TO COME.

AND THE ONLY THING I'M ASKING YOU IF YOU CAN, IT, CAN YOU PLEASE PICK UPON THIS ITEM TO A FUTURE.

SO YOU'LL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR EVERYBODY TO COME IN.

PART OF IS IN APPRECIATION AND MAYBE PART OF IT A LITTLE BIT MORE DISCUSSION.

I WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE IT.

JUST KEEP IN MIND, PLEASE MAKE UP THE FOURTH TUESDAY.

THE LAST TIME I CAME THE SECOND TUESDAY, I ALSO HAVE A BOARD MEETING EVERY MONTH.

SO IF YOU POST ONE A POLICE, CONSIDER THE FOURTH.

AND, AND ON THAT NOTE, I REALLY APPRECIATE IT MR MAYOR.

THAT WAS A GREAT HONOR.

THANKS FOR LETTING ME MAKING A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.

YOU HAVE OTHER PEOPLE WITH, YOU KNOW, NOT EVERYBODY STUCK.

EVERYBODY'S THERE, EVERYBODY'S AT THE COUNTY.

UM, SO IF WE GET TO THAT, I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT THAT THERE MIGHT BE OTHER PEOPLES AFFECTED BY THIS AS WELL.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT WHEN WE GET THERE, BUT THANK YOU FOR TELLING ME.

I WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE IT.

IF YOU COULD PITCH ON THAT, IT WILL BE GREAT AND WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED.

THANKS FOR HAVING ME.

I APPRECIATE IT.

OUR LAST SPEAKER FOR PUBLIC COMMENT IS MR JIM CITY.

HELLO SIR.

WELCOME NOON MAYOR COUNCIL STAFF.

UH, GRAHAM, I SAW YOU ON TV JUST BEFORE I CAME OVER HERE.

SO, UH, ON CHANNEL 10, I GUESS THEY'RE SPOTLIGHTING THE CITY OF ELK GO HOME.

AND, UH, JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, UH, I'M GOING TO START OFF WITH THE STUFF THAT I'M GOING TO BE SPEAKING AGAIN THROUGHOUT THE YEAR AND EVERYONE HERE IN THE CHAMBER, EVERYONE ELSE HERE OUT IN THE CYBER WORLD AND TOMORROW NIGHT ON TV.

AND THAT'S ABOUT FORMED 704 60 AGAIN AND UH, FOR THE COUNCIL TO CONSIDER PUTTING THESE ON THE CITY'S WEBPAGE ONCE MORE.

UH, FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO DON'T KNOW, FORM 700 IS SOMETHING THAT, UH, ALL PEOPLE THAT ARE RUNNING FOR OFFICE, UH, JUST LIKE HERE IN THE CITY OF EL CAHONE, UM, THEY ARE REQUIRED TO FILE THESE TWO FORMS. THE ONE IS ABOUT ASSETS AND THE OTHER ONE IS ABOUT CONTRIBUTIONS THAT ARE MADE.

AND, UH, I FEEL THIS, ALL OF THIS INFORMATION SHOULD BE PUT ON THE CITY'S WEBPAGE.

NOW, IF ANYONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS, I'VE, I'VE GONE TO THIS A COUPLE OF TIMES BEFORE AND USUALLY THERE'S TWO FILINGS THIS YEAR.

AND, UH, USUALLY THE SECOND ONE YOU CAN CHECK WITH THE CITY CLERK ABOUT THIS.

UH, THAT'S THE LAST DAY FOR DECLARATION FOR ANYONE RUNNING FOR THE OFFICE AND ESPECIALLY HERE WITHOUT THE CITY OF ELK A HOME.

AND THEY WILL BE THREE DIFFERENT SEATS COMING UP HERE.

UH, AND I WOULD FIND, I WOULD THINK THAT ONCE IT'S ON THERE FOR THE TWO COUNSELORS SEATS, MAYOR, UH, IT'S JUST A MATTER OF SOMEBODY REQUESTING IT AND THEY COULD SEND IT OUT VERY EASILY OR HAVE THEM COME PICK IT UP.

BUT AGAIN, IT SHOULD STILL BE ON THAT WEBPAGE CAUSE WHEN I THROUGH THE AGENDA, JUST LIKE ANYTHING ELSE, I CAN CLICK ON SOMETHING AND SEE A FULL DESCRIPTION OF ANYTHING THAT'S ON THE AGENDA, UH, ONLINE BEFORE I COME TO THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING AND LOYAL QUICK TIME HERE.

UH, AND THEN I JUST WANT TO SPEAK ABOUT SOMETHING I'D WEAR.

OUR VIEW POLITICS HAS, UH, UH, I THINK THAT MOST OF US WERE WHERE WE ACTUALLY HUMAN ANIMALS.

AND YOU HAVE TO EARN TO BE A HUMAN BEING.

AND I THINK THAT WORKS IN POLITICS.

ALSO.

I THINK YOU GET TOO WRAPPED UP IN, YOU KNOW, TOO MANY OTHER THINGS AND WE LOSE TRACK OF THIS YEAR.

UH, WE WERE MORE ON THE HUMAN ANIMAL SIDE, ALL OF US, INCLUDING MYSELF, BUT WE HAVE TO EARN THAT HUMAN BEING PART OF US.

AND UH, I WOULD APPRECIATE ANY COMMENT ABOUT THOSE FORMS ALSO.

UH, I NEVER REALLY GET TOO MUCH EXCEPT MAYBE FROM A COUNCILMAN GOLD BULL A LITTLE BIT AND THAT WAS EVEN ONLINE AND I THANK HIM FOR THAT.

GOES FOR THE CITY AND THINGS, EITHER WAY IT'S GOING TO COST MONEY AND UH, I THINK AT ONCE, IF THE CLOAKS CAN HANDLE THIS HERE ONE TIME, IT'S ON THERE FOR EVERYBODY TO LOOK AT REQUEST.

BUT I STILL THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT AND AS FAR AS MONEY

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AND I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND HAPPY NEW YEAR TO EVERYONE.

NO MORE CARD, SIR.

I SEE WE HAVE SOME STUDENTS HERE AND I WILL ASSUME THAT YOU'RE ALL FROM VOLVO.

YOU'RE ALL SENIORS.

SO WITHOUT EXCEPTION, WE WANT YOU TO COME DOWN TO THE MICROPHONE, GIVE US YOUR NAME AND WHAT YOU INTEND TO DO AFTER YOU'RE THROUGH WITH YOUR SENIOR YEAR.

IF THERE'S ANY STUDENT FROM NOT FROM VALHALLA THAT COMES DOWN, YOU CAN JUST TELL THEM, TELL US WHAT SCHOOL YOU'RE FROM.

BUT I'LL ASSUME THAT YOU'RE ALL FROM BOHOL AND YOU'RE ALL SENIORS.

SO WITHOUT EXCEPTION, EVERYBODY HAS TO DO, IT'S A REQUIREMENT.

YOUR PROFESSOR WILL BE WATCHING YOU ON TELEVISION ON CHANNEL 24 TOMORROW NIGHT AT SEVEN O'CLOCK.

MY NAME IS .

I WOULD LIKE TO DO BUSINESS AFTER, UH, HIGH SCHOOL.

HELLO, MY NAME IS JOHN.

I'M PROBABLY GOING TO DO COMMUNITY COLLEGE AFTER HIGH SCHOOL.

HI, MY NAME IS AND I PLAN ON STUDYING BUSINESS ADMINISTRATION.

HI, MY NAME IS SAMAN.

I'M PLANNING ON STUDYING BUSINESS TOO.

UM, MY NAME IS SANDRO GOMEZ AND I INTEND TO GO IN A TRADE SCHOOL AFTER HIGH SCHOOL.

HI, MY NAME IS JASMINE AND I JUST JOINED THE NATIONAL GUARD TO BECOME A COMBAT ENGINEER.

CONGRATULATIONS.

HI, MY NAME IS JOHN.

DON'T WANT TO BE A MECHANIC.

MAYBE YOU CAN DO THE CITY'S POLICE CARS.

HELLO.

MY NAME'S AND UH, I ATTEND VOLA AND I PLAN ON BEING A PHYSICAL TRAINER.

HEY, NOW SEAN AND I PLAN TO JOIN THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, SO WONDERFUL.

HI, MY NAME IS AND I PLAN TO STUDY FORENSIC SCIENCE.

MY NAME IS JOHN AND I WANT TO WORK FOR NASA.

HI, MY NAME IS NICK AND I WANT TO BE A COP WHEN I GROW UP.

WONDERFUL.

HI, MY NAME'S KENDALL AND I WANT TO GO TO SCHOOL TO DO SKINCARE.

HI, MY NAME IS GABE AND I WANT TO BE A COMPUTER SCIENTIST WHEN I GROW UP.

HI, MY NAME IS SHANAZ AND I WOULD LIKE TO STUDY BIOLOGY.

HI, MY NAME IS SOPHIA AND I PLAN TO GO INTO NURSING.

HI, MY NAME IS ERIC AND I'M GOING TO GO TO COMMUNITY COLLEGE.

MY NAME IS RACHEL AND I WANT TO BE AN EQUINE VETERINARIAN.

MY NAME IS CURT AND I WANT TO BE A CIVIL ENGINEER.

HEY, MY NAME IS GRACE AND I WANT TO BE A PHARMACIST.

MY NAME IS GUADALUPE AND I ALSO JOINED THE NATIONAL GUARD.

GOING TO BE A MILITARY POLICE.

MY NAME IS YUSUF AND I WANT TO BE A DENTIST.

HEY, MY NAME IS JAY AND I WANT TO BE AN ARTIST.

AND WE ARE NOW PUBLIC HEARING.

NOW CONGRATULATIONS.

IF YOU'LL POINT TO THE PEOPLE THAT DIDN'T COME UP THAT WERE SUPPOSED TO COME UP, UH, WE'D LIKE TO HAVE THEM COME UP AT THIS TIME.

IS THERE ANYBODY THAT DIDN'T COME UP? SO YOU ALL DID WELL, THANK YOU.

AND UM, YOU'RE VERY BRAVE.

THAT'S YOUR FIRST PUBLIC SPEAKING IN FRONT OF A BIG CROWD LIKE THIS.

I HOPE.

AND UM, CONGRATULATIONS IF AT YOUR AGE I WOULD HAVE BEEN SCARED TO DEATH TO DO THAT.

SO I, IT'S PAT ON YOUR BACK, SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ALL RIGHT, THERE ARE NO WRITTEN COMMUNICATIONS ON TODAY'S AGENDA

[11. Substandard Abatement at 2370 Valley Mill Road RECOMMENDATION: That the City Council: Opens the public hearing and receives testimony; Closes the public hearing; Declares as appropriate the Building Official/Fire Marshal’s actions in this case; Directs staff to invoice the property owner for staff time and administrative costs in the amount of $1,248.79; and Directs staff to monitor the cleanup and renovation of the dwelling until fully compliant with State Housing Code habitability regulations.]

ITEM 11 IS A SUBSTANDARD ABATEMENT CASE AND I WILL ASK STAFF TO INTRODUCE THIS ITEM.

WELL, SIR, HOW ARE YOU CITY COUNCIL? I'M DOING WELL.

UM, YOU'VE SEEN MY REPORT.

UH, THIS PROPERTY STARTED TO BECOME A PROBLEM WHEN, UM, UH, A FIRE OCCURRED.

WE WERE CALLED OUT THE NEXT DAY, WHICH WAS OCTOBER 24TH.

AND WHAT HAD HAPPENED IS THE, UH, THE PEOPLE WHO LIVED ON THE, AT THIS HOUSE WERE NOT PAYING THEIR ELECTRICAL BILL AND THEY WERE NOT PAYING THEIR WATER BILL.

SO THEY HAD BROUGHT IN A GENERATOR AND HAD HAD THE AND THE SIDE YARD OF THE HOUSE AND WERE FEEDING ELECTRICITY INTO THE OUTLETS ON THE INSIDE OF THE HOUSE AND THEY WERE BRINGING IN FIVE GALLON WATER BOTTLES FOR DRINKING AND FOR, TO OPERATE TOILETS AND SUCH.

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AND SO THIS OBVIOUSLY WAS A PROBLEM, ESPECIALLY AFTER THE FIRE AT THAT TIME WE TALKED TO THE TENANTS AND TRIED TO GET THEM TO VOLUNTARILY AGREE TO LEAVE.

UM, IN THE END THEY, THEY SAID THEY WOULD, BUT THEY DID NOT DO IT.

WE GET, WE WERE CALLED AGAIN BY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THAT'S WHEN WE POSTED A NOTICE TO VACATE.

THIS WAS A SUMMARY ABATEMENT, WHICH MEANS THAT THAT WE CONSIDER THE PROBLEM TO BE SO SEVERE THAT WE CAN'T WAIT TO BRING IT TO YOU IN IN A AND HAVE CIVIL PENALTIES AND POSTS BECAUSE WE WERE AFRAID THAT EITHER THROUGH DISEASE, FROM THE LACK OF SANITARY FACILITIES OR ANOTHER FIRE OCCURRING AT THE PROPERTY, WE DIDN'T FEEL WE COULD WAIT.

SO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT, WHEN WE DO A SUMMARY BATEMAN, THAT'S WHAT THAT'S ALL ABOUT IS A, AS TAKING ACTION BEFORE WE BRING IT TO YOU AS OPPOSED TO AFTER.

IN THIS CASE IS WHAT WE DID.

WE POSTED A NOTICE TO VACATE AND WE ENFORCED THE NOTICE TO VACATE AND THE PROPERTY WAS VACATED.

THE, THE MEMBERS OF THE TRUST, THERE'S SEVERAL MEMBERS OF THE TRUST.

ONE OF THOSE MEMBERS WAS ONE OF THE TENANTS, ONE OF THE OTHER MEMBERS OF THE TRUST I ENDED UP TALKING WITH AT A LATER DATE.

AND THEY, THEY ACTUALLY THANKED US BECAUSE THEY WERE TRYING TO GET THE PROPERTY SORT OF BACK ONLINE.

UM, SO THAT'S KIND OF THE WAY THAT THIS ALL TRANSPIRED AND LEADS US TO WHERE WE ARE TODAY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

KELSEY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS RIGHT NOW? ALL RIGHT.

THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN TO ANGELA DOING HOODIE SPEW CARS FOR THIS.

WE HAVE NO CARD, SIR.

ALL RIGHT THEN I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

I GET MOVING THE SECOND AND PLEASE VOTE YES.

MOTION CARRIES ME UNANIMOUS VOTE.

UM, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION OR IF SOMEONE LIKES TO MAKE A MOTION, RECOMMEND THAT THE, UH, CITY BILL, THE PROPERTY OWNER FOR THE STAFF, TAM AND ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS THE AMOUNT OF $1,248 AND 79 CENTS.

KEEP AN EYE ON THE PROPERTY AND UH, MONITOR IT AND CLEAN UP AND RENOVATION OF THE BUILDING UNTIL FULLY COMPLIANT.

ITEM 12 IS AN ADMINISTRATIVE HEARING ON TODAY'S AGENDA AND APPEAL BY CAHONE MASSAGE.

[12. Administrative Hearing - Appeal by Cajon Massage of Denial of Special Operation License RECOMMENDATION: That the City Council conducts the Administrative Hearing; reviews documents submitted; receives testimony from witnesses who have been identified on each party's witness list; and determines whether the City Manager's denial of a Special Operation License to operate a massage establishment at 1246 East Main Street, Unit 112, should be upheld or overturned.]

I'LL ASK OUR CITY ATTORNEY TO PROVIDE US REPORT ON THE SIDE OF THE POLICE.

THANK YOU MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

THIS, UH, ADMINISTRATIVE HEARING, UM, IS ONE OF THOSE THAT WE ON OCCASION HAVE.

THERE'S A PROCEDURE OUTLINED IN OUR MUNICIPAL CODE, UM, FOR AN APPEAL OF A DENIAL OF A SPECIAL OPERATIONS LICENSE, WHICH IS FOUND IN TITLE FIVE, UM, CHAPTER 5.2, OH, I THINK SOMEWHERE AROUND THERE.

THE, UM, ESTABLISHMENT AND MASSAGE, UM, TREATMENT FACILITY WAS, UH, PREVIOUSLY OPERATING IN THIS LOCATION WITHOUT A SPECIAL OPERATIONS LICENSE BECAUSE THE, UM, STATE HAD PREEMPTED THE FIELD AT THE TIME THAT IT WAS ESTABLISHED AND DID NOT ALLOW THE CITY TO, UM, REGULATE THE LOCATION OF MASSAGE THERAPY ESTABLISHMENT.

AND, UM, SO IT HAD BEEN THERE FOR A FEW YEARS.

UH, THE LAW HAS SINCE CHANGED AND NOW, UH, DOES AGAIN ALLOW THE CITY TO USE ITS ORDINANCE TO ITS MUNICIPAL CODE, UH, TO REGULATE, UM, THE LOCATION AND THE ACTIVITIES THAT TAKE PLACE IN THAT ESTABLISHMENT.

WHEN THE PROPERTY OR THE BUSINESS OWNER CAME TO THE CITY TO OBTAIN A SPECIAL OPERATIONS LICENSE, UH, IT WAS RUN THROUGH THE USUAL COURSE OF A REVIEW.

UM, UM, POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS PROVIDED A RESPONSE AS IT USUALLY DOES.

UM, IN, IN REVIEWING THE APPLICATION AND FOLLOWING THEIR, UH, REVIEW, THEY RECOMMENDED DENIAL BECAUSE AT ONE POINT IN TIME, IN THE NOT TOO DISTANT PAST, ONE OF THE TECHNICIANS OR THERAPISTS, UM, UH, WAS FOUND TO HAVE COMMITTED VIOLATIONS OF, UH, BY SOLICITING PROCESS PROSTITUTION OR SOME OTHER TYPE OF SEXUAL CRIME.

UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MOST CITIES ORDINANCES TRIED TO PREVENT, UM, SO THE DENIAL WAS ON THE BASIS OF THE, UH, THE ESTABLISHMENT WOULD VIOLATE THE PUBLIC PIECE AND MORALS OF THE COMMUNITY.

AND, UM, THIS, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT GAVE THAT DECISION THAT WAS AFFIRMED BY THE CITY MANAGER.

AND NOW THE OPERATOR HAS APPEALED THAT DECISION TO YOU AS A CITY COUNCIL.

UM, THE PROCEDURE IS SUCH THAT THE, UM, THE,

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UH, CITY, WELL, FIRST, FIRST I WILL SWEAR IN THE WITNESSES, THOSE ARE, UH, BEEN LISTED TO TESTIFY ON BOTH SIDES.

UM, WE ALSO HAVE A TRANSLATOR PRESENT BECAUSE OF A, UH, A, AN ISSUE WITH, UM, UH, COMMUNICATION IN THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE IS NOT, NOT AS EASY FOR SOME OF THE PARTIES.

AND THEY ARE REPRESENTED BY COUNSEL.

THEY WILL PUT ON THEIR CASE, THEN THE CITY WILL PUT ON ITS CASE AND THEN THE, THERE WILL BE A CHANCE OF REBUTTAL AND THEN ARGUMENTS.

UM, SO AT THIS POINT IF THE COUNCIL IS READY, I CAN ASK THE WITNESSES AND THE TRANSLATOR TO COME FORWARD, AT LEAST THE WITNESSES FIRST AND WE CAN SWEAR THEM IN AND THEN I'LL SWEAR IN THE TRANSLATOR AS WELL.

YES, PLEASE.

GOOD AFTERNOON MR MAYOR.

AND UH, WELL COUNCIL MEMBERS, UM, I'M ATTORNEY GEORGE GOODWIN.

I'M REPRESENTING, UH, CAHONE MASSAGE AS WELL AS THE OWNER OF THE MASSAGE AND THE MANAGER.

UM, AND I, I'LL ALLOW THEM TO BE SWORN IN AS THEY'RE THE TWO WITNESSES.

SURE, SURE.

SO IF YOU COULD RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND PLEASE.

DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY YOU WILL GIVE TODAY IS THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? IF SO, PLEASE SAY I DO.

YES, I DO.

AND NOW MADAM TRANSLATOR MAY HAVE YOU RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND THE REST OF YOU CAN PUT YOUR HANDS DOWN.

DO YOU SWEAR THAT THE UH, OR AFFIRMED THAT THE TRANSLATION YOU WILL GIVE TODAY IS TRUTHFUL AND COMPLETELY ACCURATE? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

YOU MAY PROCEED NOW.

MR. GORDON.

UM, I'LL ASK, UM, I GUESS, UH, I'M NOT SURE.

DO YOU WANT THE WITNESSES? WILL THEY BE ABLE TO JUST STAND NEXT TO ME? I GUESS WHEN THEY'RE SPEAKING, IS THAT ACCEPTABLE OR THEY CAN STAND NEXT TO YOU AND THAT'S FINE.

AND UM, WE SHOULD HAVE SOME, A AUDIBLE AUDIBLE RESPONSES OBVIOUSLY, AND TO THE MICROPHONE.

THIS IS BEING RECORDED.

TRANSLATORS SHOULD BE ACCESSIBLE TO RELAY THE ANSWERS AS WELL.

WELL I'LL TRY TO SHARE THE SPACE.

OH, I'LL JUST STAY BRIEFLY.

I THINK IF THE COUNCIL HAS THE SEAT, OUR REGION, LET ME SPEAK INTO THIS.

IF THE COUNCIL HAS RECEIVED OUR ORIGINAL, UH, PAPERWORK REGARDING THE APPEAL, I THINK OUR POSITION, UM, WITH REGARDS TO THE, UH, THE, UM, INVESTIGATION THAT WAS DONE BY THE ALCOHOL AND POLICE DEPARTMENT AND ULTIMATELY AT LEAST ONE ARREST OF ONE OF THE MASSAGE THERAPISTS.

UM, THE POSITION OF KAHUNA MASSAGE, MY CLIENT IS THAT THE ACTIVITIES OF THIS, UM, ONE INDIVIDUAL OR ANY OTHER MASSAGE THERAPISTS WHO ARE ENGAGED IN UNLAWFUL SEXUAL ACTS AT THE FACILITY, THEY WERE DOING IT, UM, ESSENTIALLY FOR THEIR OWN BENEFITS.

THEY WERE NOT DOING IT TO THE BENEFIT OF THE MASSAGE OWNERS OR THE MANAGER, AND THEY WERE DOING IT WITHOUT, UH, THEIR KNOWLEDGE.

UM, THIS IS A BUSINESS THAT'S BEEN RUN ROUGHLY FOR FOUR YEARS.

UM, MR, UH, WASTE SON OR TONY'S SON IS, HE'S KNOWN THE BUSINESS OWNER.

HE APPLIED IN THIS YEAR FOR A, UM, UH, THE PERMIT BECAUSE HE WAS APPARENTLY EMPLOYING THAT SPECIAL OPERATIONS LICENSE, EXCUSE ME, BECAUSE HE, INITIALLY THE BUSINESS IS EMPLOYING ONLY ONE, A MASSAGE THERAPIST.

AS IT GREW, MORE MASSAGE THERAPISTS WERE PRESENT REQUIRING A SPECIAL OPERATIONS LICENSE.

SO HE GOT A LETTER NOTIFYING HIM HE NEEDED TO DO THAT, HENCE THE APPLICATION HE MADE IN AUGUST OF 2019.

UM, SO I'M GOING TO ASK MR SINE TO COME UP AND I'M GOING TO ASK HIM A FEW QUESTIONS.

UM, I THINK THAT THE CONCERN OBVIOUSLY OF THE CITY COMES DOWN, UNLAWFUL SEXUAL ACTS BEING DONE.

UH, AT A BUSINESS AND ALCOHOL, NOT SOMETHING PERMISSIBLE.

UM, AND I CERTAINLY WANT MR SUN AS WELL AS HIS, UM, MANAGER WHO WAS AT THE BUSINESS.

HEY JO, SHE'S THE OTHER WITNESS, UH, TO DESCRIBE THEIR ROLES IN THE BUSINESS.

UM, WHAT THEY INVOLVEMENT WAS WITH THE MASSAGE THERAPIST, WHAT THEY WERE AWARE OF AND CERTAINLY WHAT THEY WERE NOT.

I THINK IT'LL GIVE THE CITY INSIGHT, UM, THAT MR SUN IS A, UH, A GOOD BUSINESS OWNER.

HE WANTS TO CONTINUE HIS BUSINESS.

UH, HE HAS NO INTEREST AND GETS NO GAIN FROM ILLEGAL ACTIVITY.

UH, HE JUST SIMPLY WANTS TO REOPEN A BUSINESS THAT'S BEEN RUNNING FOR FOUR YEARS.

MR GOODWILL AND THERE IS A WIRELESS MIC THERE THAT HE CAN HOLD IT.

THE TRANSLATOR CAN HOLD IT AND USE.

IT SEEMS TO WORK OKAY.

SO YOU GUYS CAN USE THIS ONE.

UH, CURRENTLY, UH, I DON'T HAVE A CALL NOW, BUT BEFORE I HAD.

UH, MR SON, ARE YOU THE OWNER OF A CAHONE MASSAGE? YES.

DOES ANYBODY ELSE OWN THIS BUSINESS WITH YOU? YES.

WHO ELSE IS AN OWNER OTHER THAN YOURSELF? TEAM SINCE I MET WITH , SORRY.

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AND WHAT IS BLUE SKY SPA? SO THAT WAS A STORE I RAN BEFORE.

DOES BLUE SKY SPA HAVING A CONNECTION TO CONE MASSAGE? NO.

UH, DOES, IS THAT A CORPORATION THAT OPERATES CAHONE MASSAGE? OH, SHIT.

HOW DOES COHEN MASSAGE FILE TAXES? UNDER WHAT NAME? STREET.

UH, YOU MEAN WHERE DO WE FILE TAX? NO, LET, LET ME MOVE ON.

I'LL ASK MORE RELEVANT QUESTIONS.

UM, UH, HOW MANY, UH, PRIOR TO YOUR BUSINESS BEING SHUT DOWN, HOW MANY MASSAGE THERAPISTS, UM, AT ANY GIVEN TIME WERE PERFORMING MASSAGES THAT YOUR MASSAGE PARLOR, SORRY.

I'M WANTED HERE.

BLUE SKY SPOT.

AND YOU ARE CHOOSING YOUR BLUE SKY SPA AND THE PLASTIC CUP HOME MASSAGE.

BEFORE IT WAS LIKE THIS, HOW MANY MASSAGE THERAPISTS AT THE END OF 2019 WERE WORKING AT CAHONE MASSAGE.

FOUR.

WAS AT ANY POINT A WOMAN NAMED JAAN FUNCTION WORKING AT THE HOME MASSAGE INSIDE YOUR COUPLE MASSAGER CONSOLE COMA? YES.

AND UH, HOW WAS SHE PAID BY BIKE? A HOME MASSAGE.

TINKLE HOMOCIDE.

HOW UH, BECAUSE IT WAS 10 99, SO 50, 50.

SO I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU EXHIBIT C THAT WE SUBMITTED.

DO YOU RECOGNIZE THIS AGENDA TO LIMA? YEAH.

IS THAT A 10 99 FOR TAX YEAR 2018? YES, THAT'S CORRECT.

AND IS THE, UH, RECIPIENT YON FUNCTION? YES.

UM, AND YOU DESCRIBED THAT, UH, YOU HAD A 50 50 ARRANGEMENT WITH THE MASSAGE THERAPIST, IS THAT RIGHT? YES, CORRECT.

DOES THAT MEAN THEY RECEIVE 50% OF WHAT THE, UH, WHAT THE SPA TOOK IN FOR THEIR MASSAGE TREATMENTS IN JUNE? WE SHOULD DO, YES.

SO EVEN SPLIT BETWEEN THE MASSAGE OWNER AND THE THERAPIST, EMILY TODAY? YES.

WHAT ABOUT, WHAT ABOUT TIPS? NO SELFIES.

I'M SORRY.

TIPS.

ALL ARE BELONGED TO WHOEVER DID THE JOB.

UM, AT SOME POINT IN LAST YEAR, DID MISS SHEN, TO YOUR KNOWLEDGE, GET ARRESTED FOR ANY CRIMINAL OFFENSE? SHARE OFFENSE? WE PAY TYPE NO TUNING.

LAST YEAR, YES.

IN 2019 THE JUDAS UNION SAYING YES.

THIS HAPPENED IN OCTOBER LAST YEAR BEFORE IT DIDN'T HAPPEN.

AND DO YOU KNOW WHAT SHE WAS ARRESTED FOR? NAME.

SAY DOES A, LIKE A MEN'S ROOM OF TACOMA.

THE AT THAT TIME I WAS PHYSICALLY IN CHINA.

I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WAS GOING ON IN THE STORE.

AND MY MANAGER WAS THERE, HER JO, SHE WAS THERE.

AND THEN SHE CALLED ME AND NOTIFIED ME OF WHAT HAPPENED.

SO YOU LEARNED OF THE CHARGES SHE WAS ARRESTED FOR YES.

NOW I KNOW.

WHAT DID YOU DO WITH REGARDS TO MS SHEN'S UH, STATUS AND ASSOCIATION WITH YOUR MASSAGE AFTER YOU LEARNED THAT I NEED YOU TO RJ YOUR WHOLE UM, AFTER I LEARNED IT, I FIRED HER.

HAD ANY OF YOUR OTHER MASSAGE THERAPISTS EVER BEEN ARRESTED FOR SIMILAR CHARGES? NO.

NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE.

HAD YOU EVER HEARD FROM ANYONE, UH, AT YOUR MASSAGE, INCLUDING CUSTOMERS THAT ANY OF THE MASSAGE THERAPISTS WERE PERFORMING ANY SEXUAL ACTS AT YOUR MASSAGE AT YOUR BUSINESS? YES.

NIKA I NEED A NEGATIVE ON FASHION.

NO, NEVER SAW.

NEVER HEARD.

I'M GOING TO ASK YOU TO TAKE A LOOK AT THIS.

EXHIBIT B.

IT'S A SCIENCE.

IT'S A PICTURE OF THIS THING THAT SAYS, NOTICE.

DO YOU RECOGNIZE THIS SIGN? YES, I KNOW.

WHAT IS THE SIGN? WHEN THEY GO HOME AND

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THEY WERE YOUNG.

THEY DIDN'T EVEN, I'M NOT SURE THING.

THIS IS A NOTICE TO, UM, CUSTOMERS AND OUR EMPLOYEES.

WE PUT THIS NOTICE IN THE FRONT AND IN THE BREAK ROOM AND ALSO IN EVERY ROOM TO NOTIFY ALL THE PEOPLE.

NOTHING ILLEGAL SHOULD BE CONDUCTED AT THIS FACILITY.

AND THIS SCIENCE SPECIFICALLY SAYS SOLICITATION OF SEX AND PROSTITUTION IS STRICTLY PROHIBITED, IS THAT RIGHT? CORRECT.

WAS THIS SIGN POSTED PRIOR TO OCTOBER 31ST, 2019 YES.

WE HAD THIS FOR A LONG TIME.

AT YOUR MASSAGE BUSINESS, DID YOU HAVE SIGNS CLEARLY POSTED INDICATING THE PRICES FOR VARIOUS SERVICES THAT WOULD BE PERFORMED? YOU'LL MAIL CAN GT SOUNDS EITHER JACKALOPE YES.

ON THE WALL.

WE HAVE ALL THAT.

I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU THREE PICTURES FROM EXHIBIT D.

IF YOU COULD TAKE A LOOK, DO THEY, ARE THESE, DO THESE SIGNS ACCURATELY DEPICT THE POSTED MENUS THAT WERE ON DISPLAY IN YOUR BUSINESS? YES.

AND THESE SIGNS WERE VISIBLE TO ANY CUSTOMERS WHO CAME IN ? YES.

UM, AT SOME POINT, DID YOU RECEIVE NOTICE FROM THE CITY THAT YOUR SPECIAL OPERATIONS LICENSE WAS BEING DENIED? YO, YES.

AND DID YOU ALSO RECEIVE NOTICE THAT YOU WERE TO IMMEDIATELY SHUT DOWN YOUR BUSINESS? YES.

SHUT IT DOWN.

DID YOU SHUT DOWN YOUR BUSINESS AS DIRECTED BY THE CITY? DO TODAY? YES.

PRIOR TO THE BUSINESS BEING SHUT DOWN, DID YOU ASK ANY OF YOUR CUSTOMERS TO SIGN A PETITION ON YOUR BEHALF? YO, YES I DID.

BUT IT WAS A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME SO WE DIDN'T GET TOO MANY CUSTOMERS SIGNATURES.

EXHIBIT A, IS THIS THE PETITION THAT YOU WERE REFERRING TO WHEN YOU SHOW THE TICKETS? YES, THAT'S IT.

AND WHERE WAS THIS PETITION PLACED? SO ACCORDING TO ALL WEEK, SAY TINTO DIVINE, FIND THE TWO MEN AND THEY'RE GOING TO DO, WE CANNOT, IT WAS PUT UP AT THE CASHIER'S DESK WHEN CUSTOMERS CAME IN, THEY COULD ALL SEE THAT.

AND THESE WERE, UH, SIGNATURES OF CUSTOMERS OF YOUR MASSAGE YES.

UM, AT SOME POINT LAST YEAR, DID YOU SIGN A NEW LEASE AGREEMENT WITH THE OWNER OF WHERE YOUR BUSINESS IS CURRENTLY LOCATED? SHOULD SAY THAT YOU GET THE PHONE YEAH.

ON THE DEFUND? YUP.

YES I DID.

OR WHO SPECIFICALLY SIGNED THAT LEASE AGREEMENT? NOW SHE SHAKES YOU AND THE DIEGO IT WAS MY MANAGER, HER JOE.

AND THE LEASE TERM, HOW LONG IS THAT LEASE FOR? FIVE YEARS.

EXHIBIT E, DOES THAT LOOK LIKE THE LEASE THAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO? YES.

SO IS IT ACCURATE TO SAY THAT YOU'RE OBLIGATED TO PAY THIS LEASE AGREEMENT UNTIL MARCH 1ST? I'M SORRY, UNTIL FEBRUARY 28TH, 2025 DEALERSHIP.

SURE.

YOU DON'T NEED THE ARDEN UNION TO SHARE YEAH.

IRISH BAR.

HOW DOING THEIR FOOD DATA.

AND WHAT IS THE MONTHLY LEASE RATE? HOW MUCH ARE YOU PAYING PER MONTH? SOMEBODY IT WAS A 3,300 AND NOW THE PRICE GOES TO APPLE.

SO PROBABLY IT WAS A 3,400 OR COULD IT BE 3,500? WILL YOU BE OBLIGATED TO PAY THIS LEASE EVEN IF YOUR BUSINESS ISN'T OPERATING? YES.

THE MASSAGE THERAPIST THAT YOU HAD, WOULD THEY WORK THERE THE ENTIRE YEAR ROUND CONSISTENTLY? NO, IT WAS NOT LIKE THAT.

UM, I WANTED TO ASK IF, IF THE CITY PERMITS YOUR BUSINESS TO OPEN AGAIN, HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT STEPS YOU COULD TAKE TO PREVENT THE TYPE OF ACTIVITY THAT LED TO THE ARREST FROM OCCURRING IN THE FUTURE ON ? SO FASHION AND YES.

AFTER THIS HAPPENED, I HAD BEEN THINKING ABOUT THIS AND NOW I ALREADY FIGURED OUT CERTAIN THINGS TO PREVENT THESE FROM HAPPENING AGAIN.

AND BEFORE WE GET TO THAT, LET ME ASK, UM,

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THEY COME AND GO.

WOULD IT BE COMMON FOR THEM NOT TO BE PRESENT FOR MONTHS AT A TIME? SO YOU TELL ME HOW DAY TO DAY.

YES, CORRECT.

DID YOU HAVE A WRITTEN AGREEMENT WITH THESE MASSAGE THERAPISTS? CAN YOU SEE IT? SO I'M MOTHERING NO.

SO IT WAS JUST A VERBAL TRUST AGREEMENT YES.

AND DID YOU DIRECT OR CONTROL THE MANNER IN WHICH THEY DID THEIR MASSAGES? UH, UM, BEFORE IT WAS NOT EXACTLY, BUT, UH, THINGS.

NOW I WILL, UH, TRY TO TAKE SPECIAL MEASURES AND THEN PREVENT ALL OF THESE THINGS FROM HAPPENING.

W SPECIFICALLY.

UH, DO YOU HAVE A LIST OR HAVE SOME IDEAS OF WHAT YOU CAN DO TO PREVENT ILLICIT SEXUAL ACTIVITY FROM GOING ON IN YOUR BUSINESS? FOUND YOUR TCS SHOOTING.

SO FASHION WASN'T JTCC COLD.

IF THE COUNCIL ALLOWING YOU SOME OF THE APP, UH, THE LIST OF HERE, IF YOU COULD, IF YOU COULD SHARE WITH THE COUNCIL YOUR, YOUR PROPOSALS FOR WHAT YOU COULD DO TO PREVENT THIS.

HI.

UH, CINDY IT'S UNIVERSITY.

THAT INTERVIEW, UH, FORCED TO, I LIKE TO TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SYNC ALL THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS FOR CATCHING THESE.

AND I WOULD LIKE TO APOLOGIZE BECAUSE OF MY OWN NECKLINES AND I DIDN'T REALLY DO THE BUSINESS THE WAY YOU IT TO.

AND THIS SAYING HAPPENED AND I PROMISE YOU THIS WILL NEVER HAPPEN AGAIN.

THE NO OR DO SOMETHING, GET MAIL, HOLD THE TABLE.

SO YOUR SAY SORRY.

SO I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO APOLOGIZE, A FAULT OR FAILURE OF MY PART AND THINGS 2018 MY FATHER WAS SICK AND MY FATHER PASSED AWAY LAST A YEAR.

SO, UM, THIS HAPPENED UNDER MY SUPERVISION AND IT WAS MY FAULT.

I WILL SINCERELY HOPE YOU ACCEPT MY APOLOGY REGARDING THE SEEKING WHAT'S A BETTER WORKOUT? SO IF I'M, THE CITY ALLOWS ME TO DO BUSINESS AGAIN AND THEN I HAVE FIVE DIFFERENT WAYS TO PREVENT IT FROM HAPPENING.

THINGS HAPPENED AND WE FIND OUT AND THEN WE WILL TAKE THIS MONEY AWAY AND GAVE THEM A WARNING AND NO LONGER HIRE THEM AGAIN.

DO YOU WANNA WHAT YOU ALWAYS IN THE BEGINNING, PICKING DELTA UP.

SO FIRST I WOULD BE VERY CAREFUL BEFORE I HIRE A PERSON AND I WOULD SAY WHETHER THEY ARE ALLOWED TO WORK, WHETHER THEY ARE HERE ILLEGALLY, AND THEN ALSO CHECK THEIR BACKGROUND AND TO SEE THEIR PREVIOUS WORKING EXPERIENCE AND HISTORY.

RON .

SO AFTER I SCREENED THESE POSSIBLE EMPLOYEES AND THEN I WOULD BE WASTED HELP OFF OUR ATTORNEY AND CAT TO OUR CONTRACT AND THEN MAKE SURE THEY KNOW WHAT THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO DO AND WHAT WAS NOT APPROPRIATE.

AND THEN TELL THEM WHAT IS RIGHT AND WRONG.

DONNA .

AND THE THIRD IS THAT WE WOULD ASK A 2000 DEPOSIT IF INAPPROPRIATE

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AND LET ME, LET ME ASK, DO YOU MEAN YOU'LL TAKE A $2,000 BOND FROM THE, UH, FROM THE PEOPLE THAT YOU HIRE YES, CORRECT.

TO GUARANTEE THEY DON'T DO ANYTHING ILLEGAL THERE.

AND THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE WRITTEN CONTRACT.

PLEASE CONTINUE WHATEVER THEIR PROPOSALS.

THAT'S THE FIRST THING WE WILL PUT IN THE CONTRACT.

OH NO, THAT'S WHAT THE MANAGER WE CAN SEE THAT YOU SAID .

WITH HONESTLY, WITHOUT EVEN, SO AT THE FACILITY EVERY 20 MINUTES, MYSELF AND THE MANAGER, WE WOULD WALK AROUND TO, TO CHECK WHETHER INAPPROPRIATE BEHAVIOR HAPPENS.

Y'ALL KNOW AND SEE WHO UH, YOU GUYS IN THE WOMAN SO THE LAST THING, IF THE CITY ALLOWS US, I PLAN TO REMOVE ALL THE, UH, ALL THE DOORS AND I WOULD PUT UP PRIVACY CURTAINS.

SO, UM, IT'S EASIER TO, UH, FOR US TO SUPERVISE JR THEY SEE US, UM, MY SAUCE AFTER WHAT HAPPENED AND MY PLAN FOR THE FUTURE.

IF THE CITY ALLOWS US TO OPEN THE BUSINESS AGAIN, WOULD THE CURTAINS, UM, ALLOW SOUND FROM THE MASSAGE ROOMS TO CARRY MORE EASILY TO THE FRONT? NO TISSUE YES, THAT'S RIGHT.

WE CAN HEAR ALL THE SOUNDS.

DO YOU HAVE A WAY TO, UM, VERIFY IF A POTENTIAL MASSAGE THERAPIST IS A, A LAWFULLY PERMITTED TO BE IN THE UNITED STATES? CHICKEN CALGARY WHOLE ON THE TABLE WE WILL DO A BACKGROUND CHECK AND MAYBE ASK THAT A POLICE DEPARTMENT TO HELP US TO CHECK WHETHER THEY ARE LEGALLY, UM, IN AMERICA.

UM, WITH THAT, I DON'T THINK I HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. WATSON.

I'M ALSO, I'M USUALLY IN COURT, SO I'M TRYING TO BE QUICK, BUT I DON'T WANT TO USE UP A LOT OF TIME.

I HAVE ANOTHER WITNESS, BUT IF THE COUNCIL HAS QUESTIONS OR, WELL, ACTUALLY LET ME CHECK AND SEE IF DETECTIVE SERGEANT GARREN HAS QUESTIONS OF THIS WITNESS.

HE'S, YOU MAY GO TO YOUR NEXT WITNESS.

I'LL, I'LL BE BRIEF.

UM, AS YOU, UM, AND AS MR SON TESTIFIED, UM, SHE IS THE MANAGER.

SHE WAS THERE FOR MORE DAY TO DAY, BUT I'LL TRY TO HAVE SOME MORE PERTINENT QUESTIONS ABOUT HER EXACT ROLE THERE.

UH, ARE YOU THE, UH, OR WERE YOU AND CURRENTLY ARE THE MANAGER OF AND MASSAGE? UM, TELL ME ABOUT DENTAL.

I HAVE BEEN A MANAGER FOR HALF A YEAR.

UH, HOW MANY HOURS PER WEEK WOULD YOU SPEND IN THE MASSAGE IN, IN THIS HALF A YEAR.

DID, SHE'LL TELL YOU HOW EACH SIZE ON IT.

ONE, HIS FATHER WAS NOT SICK.

I JUST, OKAY.

ONE, HE NEEDED ME.

I WENT TO THERE AND AFTER HIS FATHER WAS SICK AND THEN I WENT WELL, UH, THERE OFTEN.

HOW WERE, UH, WERE YOU SOMETIMES IN CHARGE OF TAKING PAYMENTS FROM CUSTOMERS AT THE MASSAGE? CALL HIM OR HER LAUGHTER AND THEN THE ASSOCIATE? YES, I AM IN CHARGE OF PICKING UP THE PHONES AND ALSO GET THE PAYMENT.

HOW DID CUSTOMERS MAKE PAYMENTS AT THE MASSAGE? DEFINITELY.

DO YOU SEE A COUPLE TIMES I SHOULD SET MY FOOT.

USUALLY WHEN THEY COME IN AND THEY PAY $40, UH, THEY WOULD PAY BEFORE THEY GOT SERVICES.

I SHOULD SAY.

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THAT'S AMERICA.

OH ONE.

AS SOON AS THEY CAME IN.

AND THEN, UM, I JUST RECEIVED A PAYMENT.

UH, WOULD, UH, DID ANY OF THE MASSAGE THERAPISTS, DID THEY, UH, WERE THEY ALLOWED TO OR WERE THEY EXPECTED TO RECEIVE PAYMENT OR WAS IT ONLY THE PERSON IN FRONT, THE MANAGER TO TAKE PAYMENT? I DIRECTLY GOT PAYMENT FROM THE CUSTOMERS.

I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THEY PAY FOR THE THERAPISTS.

DID ANY OF THE MASSAGE THERAPISTS EVER TELL YOU DIRECTLY ABOUT ANY SEXUAL ACTS OR ANY SOLICITATION? FOR SEX ACTS FROM ANY OF THE CUSTOMERS? DO YOU SEE IT'S WHAT I'M MOTHERING YOUR MEAL NO.

WERE YOU EVER TOLD BY ANY OF THE CUSTOMERS ABOUT SEX, UH, UH, SEXUAL SOLICITATION THEY'D ENGAGED IN OR ANY, ANY MASSAGE THERAPISTS OFFERING SEXUAL SERVICES? UM, FASHION.

YOUR MALE TEACHING MALE? NO.

YOU HEARD MR SON SAY THAT HE SUGGESTED THAT HIMSELF OR YOU WALK AROUND AND DO A CHECK ON THE MASSAGE THERAPIST EVERY 20 MINUTES GOING FORWARD.

DO YOU THINK THAT'S SOMETHING YOU'D BE ABLE TO DO? YES.

AND WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO DO IT WITHOUT, UM, RUNNING A FOUL OF ANY PRIVACY OR PRIVACY CONCERNS FOR YOUR CUSTOMERS? I KNEW JOHN SAW THE COCO THE INSULIN? YEAH.

I DON'T THINK SO.

SO YOU DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE A PROBLEM WITH THE CUSTOMERS? WAIT THAT WILL DEPEND ON HOW, I'M NOT REALLY SURE.

DO YOU THINK THE IDEA OF REMOVING DOORS AND PUTTING PRIVACY CURTAINS, UM, WILL WORK FOR YOUR MASSAGE? YES, IT WILL HELP THE DOORS THAT ARE THERE NOW.

DO THEY PREVENT A SOUND FROM COMING OUT OF THE ROOMS? IS IT QUIET WHEN THE DOORS ARE CLOSED? YES.

AND ARE YOU, UH, HOW DO YOU GET PAID BY THE MASSAGE? ARE YOU, ARE YOU INDEPENDENT CONTRACTOR OR DO YOU GET A A SALARY? YOU SHOULD SELL ME ON THAT.

I'LL TAKE A POUCH HOLDER AND THEN SHE'LL SO I'M NOT SALARIED, I'M JUST A FRIEND OF HIS.

SO BASICALLY I JUST HELPED HIM WHEN HE WAS BUSY OR HIS FATHER WAS SICK.

AND IN THE, IN THE INVESTIGATIONS REPORT, THE POLICE DISCUSS A WEBSITE WHERE CUSTOMERS DESCRIBED SEXUAL ACTS THAT THEY HAD RECEIVED AT CONE MASSAGE.

WERE YOU AWARE OF THIS WEBSITE? ON TIGUAN YAM? THERE'S A THOUGHT.

I DON'T.

AGAIN, I'M DETECTIVE SERGEANT GUARANTEE.

SO YOU'VE NEVER SEEN A WEBSITE WHERE CUSTOMERS WERE DESCRIBING SEX ACTS? THEY RECEIVED A COLON MASSAGE.

HE MAY WELL KIND OUT YOUR .

YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THIS WITNESS? OKAY.

AND AT THIS TIME OF THE CITY, COUNCIL MAY ASK SOME QUESTIONS OF THESE WITNESSES IF YOU'D LIKE.

COUNSEL, STEVE, HOW OLD IS YOUR SON? HOW LONG HAS MR SANA OWNED THE BUSINESS? EXCUSE ME.

HOW LONG HAS MR SUN OWNED THE BUSINESS AT THAT LOCATION? DO YOU GO TO SHARE STARTING FROM 2015? HOW'S ONE? 15.

UH, DOES THE MANAGER SAY WHEN THE ASANAS TECHNICIANS MUST COME TO WORK? WELL, LET ME GO TO CHANGE.

DO YOU THINK NO, NOT LIKE THAT MA'AM.

SO THEY CAN COME ANYTIME

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THEY WANT.

YOU SEE IT? I'M WONDERING USUALLY THEY WOULD CALL AHEAD OF TIME AND TELL US WHEN THEY ARE AVAILABLE TO WORK.

SO WE MAKE OUR REGIMENS.

UH, DOES ANYBODY SAY HOW LONG THEY HAVE TO STAY DURING THE DAY? WELL, NO.

UM, JUST THAT DEPENDS ON HOW LONG THEY CAN WORK AND THEN HOW LONG THEY WANT TO STAY AND IF THEY WANT TO GO, USUALLY WE JUST LET THEM GO.

UM, EXHIBIT C WAS FORM 10 99 UH, I CAN'T PRONOUNCE THE NAME.

IS THAT CLOSE? DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHO I'M TALKING ABOUT? YES.

I HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR MR SOON.

YOU SENT HER 10 99 TO THE SAME ADDRESSES.

THE BUSINESS.

WHY DIDN'T YOU DO THAT? THE TEACHER THE NEUTRAL SO MANY ALPHA DAYS, MASSAGE THERAPISTS, THEY DON'T HAVE A FIXED A PLACE TO LEAVE.

SO THAT'S WHY WE USE THIS ADDRESS.

AND THEN IF THEY HAVE A CERTAIN ADDRESS AND THEN WE CAN MAIL TO THAT ADDRESS BY, USUALLY WE JUST MAIL THEM BY USING THIS ONE.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

ONE MORE QUESTION REGARDING THE LEASE.

GOT A WHOLE NIGGA TOOLING.

HELLO, MR SON, YOU SAID YOU'RE THE SOLE OWNER BUT YOUR NAME DOES NOT APPEAR ON THE LEASE.

DID YOU ASK, DID HE UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION? YES, I UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION.

UH, UH, UH, SO THE LEASE WE SUBMITTED WAS THE OLDER ONE AND THE, NOW WE HAVE A NEW LEASE, A NEW CONTRACT AND THINGS.

THE MANAGER CAME TO OUR STORE AND SHE'S KIND OF LIKE THIS PLACE.

AND THEN, SO NOW SHE SIGNS THIS LEASE AND THESE LEASE WILL BE INTO EFFECT ON THE 23RD OF MAY, 2000 AND 2019 IS THAT RIGHT? WELL, IT'S A TRUE OH, SORRY.

UH, THE DAY, MAY 23RD, 2019 WAS A DATE WE SIGNED THAT THIS CONTRACT.

AND THEN ACTUALLY THESE CONTRACTOR WILL GO TO EFFECT TO OUR MUCH FIRST 2020 IS HE'S YOU OR YOUNG SHANE PAYING OFFICERS OF BLUE SKY'S SPA.

SO IF THIS CONTRACT GOES INTO EFFECT AND BOTH HER AND HER HUSBAND WILL TAKE CARE OF THIS MASSAGE BUSINESS.

SO I NEED TO UNDERSTAND, IT DOESN'T APPEAR YOU HAVE LIABILITY FOR THIS LEASE.

AM I READING THAT CORRECTLY OR TO THE SEIZURE? HOT.

YOUR MALE NEED.

I MEAN FOR ME WHEN YOU DID SO YEAH, RIGHT.

I'M NOT ON THIS CONTRACT.

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UM, U S YOUR OTHER EMPLOYEES THAT ARE MASSAGE THERAPISTS, ARE THEY ALL 10 99 AS WELL OR HOW ARE THEY CLASSIFIED AS EMPLOYEES? MOTHER, INDIA DOSHA, NIGGA EATING SOMEHOW.

EVERYBODY ELSE WAS 10 90.

THANK YOU, JASON.

UH, ONE MORE QUESTION.

UH, DID THE EMPLOYEES, DID THEY OR DID 10 99 PEOPLE, THE MASSAGE THERAPISTS, DID THEY PROVIDE THEIR OWN MATERIALS LIKE THE, THE PER, YOU KNOW, THE MASSAGE OILS OR DOES THE BUSINESS PROVIDE THOSE TELL ME WHAT YES.

THEY PROVIDED THEIR OWN STAFF AND SOMETIMES THEY PURCHASED SOMETHING AHEAD OF TIME SO THEY PUT AT THE STORE AND THE, WHEN THEY CAME TO WORK AND THAT THEN THEY WOULD USE THEIR OWN.

AND MORE QUESTIONS.

I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS AND STUFF.

I HAVE A QUESTION.

UM, AT SOME POINT DO WE GET SPEAK TO THE POLICE OFFICER? I'M SORRY, WHAT WAS THAT? AT SOME POINT DO WE GET TO ASK QUESTIONS? SO THE POLICE OFFICER WILL HELP, YOU'LL PUT ON HIS CASE AFTER YOU'RE FINISHED HERE.

UM, YOU ALSO ON BLUE SKY SPA.

IS IT YOUR BLUE SKY SPOT? OH, I CAN'T REMEMBER EXACTLY.

IT WAS IN JULY OR AUGUST, 2019 AND THEN I TRANSFERRED THAT TO ANOTHER PERSON BECAUSE I WAS JUST A TOO BUSY WITH BUSINESS AND WITH MY FAMILY OF METHODS.

IS BLUE SKY SPA STILL OPEN NICE.

IN THE BLUE SKY NO, NO.

AND DID THEY EVER HAVE ANY PROBLEMS WITH ANYBODY TO BE ARRESTED OR HAD ANY LEGAL PROBLEMS WHILE YOU WERE THE MANAGER THERE? ALL RIGHT.

NOT ONE NIGHT I WAS THERE.

I DON'T THINK SO.

THE WOMEN THAT WORK, UH, FOR, UM, CAHONE VALLEY OR COMB MASSAGE, UM, DO ANY OF THEM EVER STAY AT THE BUSINESS AS A, AS A PLACE TO LIVE? I'M YOUR MALE.

NO, NO, NO, NO, NO.

WELL, I'LL SAY TO MY QUESTIONS COUNSELOR.

OCTOBER 30TH, 2018 THE SPECIAL INVESTIGATIONS UNIT CONDUCTED DEVICE

UH, AT THIS POINT, DETECTIVE SERGEANT GARREN, WE'LL PUT ON THE CITY'S, YES.

HELLO, MY NAME IS MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBERS C STAFF.

I DID HAVE SOME SLIGHT CHANGES TO WHAT I HAD PREPARED AND GIVEN TO YOU BASED ON SOME FURTHER RESEARCH I HAD DONE YESTERDAY.

SO I'M GOING TO READ THE MEMO THAT I HAD PREPARED FOR THIS HEARING AND THEN HAVE SOME ADDITIONS TO IT.

AFTERWARDS.

OCTOBER, 2019 I WAS ASSIGNED TO INVESTIGATE A HOME MASSAGE LOCATED AT 1246 EAST MAIN STREET, NUMBER ONE 12 IN THE CITY OF EL CAHONE DUE.

DO THE FACT THAT WASTE SON HAS SUBMITTED AN APPLICATION FOR A SPECIAL OPERATIONS LICENSE FOR A MUSTACHE FOR EXCUSE ME, FOR A MASSAGE ESTABLISHMENT.

IT'S OUR RECORD CHECKS.

THERE WEREN'T ANY ADVERSE RECORDS FOR MR SUN.

THE SPECIAL INVESTIGATIONS UNIT RECEIVED A COMPLAINT IN 2018 REGARDING ILLEGAL SEXUAL CONDUCT AT THE ESTABLISHMENT.

HOWEVER, IT IS UNKNOWN IF MR SAM WAS THE OWNER OF THE BUSINESS AT THAT TIME.

I CHECKED A PUBLIC WEBSITE IN WHICH MASSAGE CUSTOMERS WRITE REVIEWS ABOUT EXOTIC MASSAGES COME MASSAGES LISTS ON THE WEBSITE AND AS 30 REVIEWS BETWEEN OCTOBER OF 2016 AND SEPTEMBER OF 2019 ALL THE REVIEWS ARE FROM MASSAGE CUSTOMERS WHO HAVE WRITTEN REVIEWS ABOUT PAYING FOR AND RECEIVING SEXUAL ACTS FROM SUSA.

ZACK HOME MASSAGE.

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OPERATION ECHO HOME MASSAGE AT THE TIME AND UNDER CALL.

AN UNDERCOVER OFFICER WAS SENT TO THE BUSINESS WHERE HE PAID FOR A 30 MINUTE MASSAGE.

UH, TOWARDS THE END THE MASSAGE, THE UNDERCOVER OFFICER WAS OFFERED A SEX ACT FROM THE MISUSE IN EXCHANGE FOR MONEY.

IT PREDETERMINED ARESTIN WILL WAS GIVEN AT WHICH TIME DETECTIVES ENTER THE BUSINESS AND PLACED THE MISUSE AND ARREST FOR SOLICITATION, PROSTITUTION.

AND WHEN WE ENTERED THE BUSINESS, THERE WERE FIVE FEMALE EMPLOYEES INSIDE.

ADDITIONALLY, A MALE WHO WAS SEEN ENTERING AND EXITING THE BUSINESS PREDATOR ENTRY WAS CONTACTED IN THE PARKING LOT.

IT APPEARED THE MALE WAS ASSOCIATED TO THE MASSAGE ESTABLISHMENT.

UH, THERE WERE FOUR CERTIFIED MASSAGE THERAPIST CERTIFICATIONS FOR FEMALES POSTED ON THE WALL IN THE LOBBY OF THE BUSINESS AND THE MISUSE.

SUSA WAS ARRESTED WAS ONE OF THE CERTIFIED MASSAGE THERAPISTS.

ADDITIONALLY, A CITY OF ALCOHOL AND BUSINESS LICENSE WAS POSTED, WHICH LISTED WASTE SON AS THE OWNER AND MR. WATSON WAS NOT PRESENT.

DURING OUR INVESTIGATION.

AT THE COLLISION OF OUR INVESTIGATION, THE HE WAS RELEASED AT THE SCENE AND WE EXITED THE BUSINESS.

THEY'LL COME, POLICE DEPARTMENTS SUBMIT THE CASES IN NEW YORK COUNTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.

ADDITIONALLY, I FILED A COMPLAINT ON THE BUSINESS WITH THE CALIFORNIA MASSAGE THERAPY COUNCIL AND THEN BASED ON OUR INVESTIGATION APPEARS THAT CUM MASSAGE IS NOT A LEGITIMATE MASSAGE ESTABLISHMENT.

ILLEGAL SEXUAL ACTS ARE BEING PERFORMED ON CUSTOMERS.

THEREFORE, IT IS MY OPINION THAT THE CITY OF OKLAHOMA DENY THE SPECIAL OPERATIONS LICENSE APPLICATION.

SO A COUPLE OF QUICK UPDATES REFERENCED THE PERSON I WAS ARRESTED.

I CAN'T GO INTO DETAILS CAUSE IT'S A PERSONAL MATTER FOR THAT PERSON.

HOWEVER, THEY'VE BEEN A, THEY HAD AN ARRAIGNMENT ON THE EIGHTH FOR THAT CHARGE THAT'S BEEN VACATED UNTIL LATER ON IN FEBRUARY.

UM, AND REFERENCED THE WEBSITE THAT I SPOKE OF, THERE WERE, I ACTUALLY MISSED A PAGE OF REVIEWS.

SO THERE WERE A TOTAL OF 43 COMMENTS POSTED ON THERE BETWEEN JUNE OF 2015 AND NOVEMBER OF 2019 AND THEY'RE ALL EXPLICIT IN NATURE.

IF THAT CONCLUDES YOUR TESTIMONY, MR GU MEDULA AND YOU CAN CROSS EXAMINE DETECTIVE SERGEANT GARREN.

SERGEANT.

THANK YOU ALL.

HAVE A FEW BRIEF QUESTIONS.

UM, PERHAPS YOU COULD USE THE WIRELESS MIC YOURSELF.

LOUD THOUGH.

UH, SERGEANT, DID YOU, UH, PER THE ARREST OF, UM, THE THAT YOU DESCRIBED ON OCTOBER 31ST, DID YOU, UH, INTERVIEW OR SPEAK TO MR, UH, WAY SOON? THE OWNER? NO.

AND WHAT ABOUT WHO'S ALSO SITTING HERE? DID YOU SPEAK WITH HER? YES.

UH, DID SHE, WELL, WHAT DID YOU ASK HER? UH, DID YOU ASK ANY QUESTIONS WITH REGARDS TO KNOWLEDGE OF UNLAWFUL SEXUAL ACTIVITY AT THE MASSAGE? YES.

WHAT WAS HER RESPONSE? THAT SHE WASN'T AWARE OF WHAT WAS HAPPENING.

UM, AND DID YOU INTERVIEW ANYBODY ELSE ALONG THE SAME LINE OF QUESTIONING? UH, NO.

THE PERSON I WAS ARRESTED SPOKE VERY LIMITED ENGLISH, SO WE WEREN'T ABLE TO PROPERLY MIRANDIZE HER.

DID THAT PERSON WHO WAS ARRESTED GIVE YOU ANY STATEMENTS INDICATING THAT MS OR MR. WATSON WERE AWARE OF THE CONDUCT SHE WAS ENGAGED IN? NO.

DID ANYONE AT THE MASSAGER YOU INTERVIEWED, UM, OTHER THAN THE PERSON ARRESTED GIVE YOU AN INDICATION THAT THEY WERE AWARE OF THIS SEXUAL ACTIVITY OCCURRING AT THE MASSAGE? NO.

IN THE WEBSITE THAT YOU REFERENCED? UM, UH, WHICH ACTUALLY IT WASN'T IN YOUR REPORT.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU LEFT THAT ON PURPOSE.

I THINK I FOUND THEM WHEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT, BUT IT DOESN'T MATTER I GUESS, UH, IN THE WEBSITE, THE REVIEWS, UM, DID THEY GIVE SPECIFIC DETAILS ABOUT THE TYPE OF SEX ACTS PERFORMED? YES.

DO THEY DESCRIBE THE INDIVIDUAL MASSAGE THERAPISTS PERFORMING THE ACTS? YES.

DO ANY OF THE REVIEWS INDICATE UM, KNOWLEDGE OR COMPLICITY BY MASSAGE OWNERSHIP? I DIDN'T READ ALL THE REVIEWS, BUT NOT THE ONES THAT I DID READ, NO.

SO THE ONES YOU READ DESCRIBED SIMPLY THE MASSAGE THERAPISTS PERFORMING THE ACT, IS THAT RIGHT? CORRECT.

AND THE ACTS THAT SHE'S WILLING TO PERFORM YES.

AND PRICES FOR THOSE ACTS SEPARATE FROM THE MASSAGE? YES.

SO FROM THE REVIEWS YOU READ, UH, NOTHING INDICATED THAT ANYONE OTHER THAN THE MASSAGE THERAPIST WAS AWARE OF THIS ACTIVITY TAKING PLACE? CORRECT.

UM, I THINK THAT'S IT.

THANK COUNSELOR.

AT THIS POINT OF CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE A QUESTIONS FOR DETECTIVE SERGEANT GARREN.

THIS IS YOUR TIME TO OPPORTUNITY.

SO THAT COULD GO EITHER OF THE 43 OR VIEWS.

DID ANY OF THOSE NAME THE PERSON WHO WAS ARRESTED FROM WHAT I RECALL, THE NAMES THAT WERE LISTED WERE ENGLISH NAMES THAT WEREN'T SIMILAR TO THE PERSON THAT WE ARRESTED.

DO YOU HAVE ANY KNOWLEDGE OF THE ARRESTEE'S ENGLISH NAME? I DO NOT.

DID IS THE MASSAGE TECHNICIAN REQUIRED TO BE IN POSSESSION OF A WORK PERMIT? I WOULD ASSUME SO.

UH,

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WHEREVER.

I'M NOT SURE.

WAS, WAS THE ASKED FOR A WORK PERMIT? NO, I READ THAT THEY HAD A, EXCUSE ME, THE THREE REFERENCE WHAT THE ACTUAL CERTIFICATE IS.

IT'S A CERTIFIED MASSAGE THERAPIST CERTIFICATION THAT'S FROM THE UH, CALIFORNIA MASSAGE THERAPY COUNCIL.

IT'S PAUSE HERE FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY.

DOES THE CERTIFICATION FROM THE STATE COUNT AS A WORK PERMIT UNDER THE MUNICIPAL CODE? I DON'T BELIEVE IT DOES.

UH, WE HAVE A UNIQUE KIND OF HOME RULE REQUIREMENT FOR THAT.

UM, WITH THE CERTIFIED UNDER THE STATE LAW THOUGH, UM, THAT IS LIKELY PREEMPTED BECAUSE THEY DO POSSESS A CERTIFIED MASSAGE THERAPIST CERTIFICATE AND WE CAN'T GET INTO REQUIRING PERMITS, UH, OTHER THAN THE, UH, ONCE WE DO IMPOSE NOW THE SPECIAL OPERATIONS LICENSE AND CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS.

IT, THAT CERTIFICATES FROM A PRIVATE COMPANY, IT'S NOT FROM THE STATE ITSELF.

THE CERTIFICATION FROM A PRIVATE COMPANY.

A CALIFORNIA MASSAGE THERAPY CERTIFICATE.

A CERTIFICATION BOARD IS, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, IS A PRIVATE BOARD NOT A STATE AGENT ASSOCIATED WITH THIS KNOWLEDGE? CORRECT.

OKAY, GREAT.

THERE WERE QUESTIONS TOO.

SO JUST ONE QUESTION.

HOW MANY INVESTIGATIONS HAS THE ALCOHOL POLICE DEPARTMENT, UM, DONE ON GO HOME MASSAGE SINCE THEY OPENED IN 2016? UH, THIS IS THE SECOND ONE THAT I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN.

AND WAS THERE ANY ILLEGAL ACTIVITY ON THE FIRST ONE? THE FIRST ONE.

IT WAS EITHER AT THE END OF 2016 OR THE BEGINNING OF 2017 AND YES.

AND UNRESTED WASN'T MADE AT THAT TIME.

SO I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT THE TWO TIMES THAT YOU DID A OPERATION, BOTH ENDED UP IN A FINDING ILLEGAL ACTIVITY? YES, SIR.

MORE QUESTIONS, BOB OR GARY? MMM .

WAS THERE ANY EVIDENCE THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE LIVING AT THE MASSAGE? NO.

EXCUSE ME.

THERE WAS ONE ROOM WHERE IT APPEARED THAT PEOPLE WERE SLEEPING OVER.

IT DIDN'T APPEAR.

IT WAS FOR LONGTERM COMPUTATION, POSSIBLY BREAKS, THAT TYPE OF A THING, BUT THERE WEREN'T LARGE AMOUNTS OF CLOTHES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

DEDICATE PEOPLE STAYING THERE, LIVING THERE.

UM, WHERE ARE THE DOORS? PRETTY SOUNDPROOF WHERE THEY HAD THEIR DIFFERENT STALLS OR WHATEVER? UH, FROM WHAT I RECALL, THERE WERE TYPICAL A HOLLOW CORE DOORS.

DO YOU THINK THE CURTAINS WOULD MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE AT ALL? IT WOULD MAKE A DIFFERENCE IF THEY WERE TRYING TO WATCH OUT FOR WHAT WAS HAPPENING? YES.

WAS OPERATING THE BUSINESS WITH THE INTENT FOR THIS TO GO ON.

TO CLARIFY, THE SECOND ARREST, WHEN WAS THAT DONE? THE MOST RECENT ARREST WAS OCTOBER 31ST I BELIEVE OF LAST YEAR.

AND THEN THE ONE BEFORE THAT THAT MR. ORTIZ ASKED ABOUT A BLEED.

THAT WAS EITHER THE END OF 2016 OR BEGINNING OF 2017 I WASN'T AWARE OF THIS WAS THE SAME OWNER.

UH, THAT'S WHY I DIDN'T RESEARCH IT FURTHER, BUT I WASN'T INVOLVED IN THAT.

AM I UNDERSTANDING CORRECTLY THAT THIS WOULD BE THE SECOND ARREST UNDER THE SAME OWNER? YES, SIR.

THANK YOU, DETECTIVE.

YOUR OPPORTUNITY FOR ANY REBUTTAL TESTIMONY, MR. GOODWIN COUNSEL AND MR MAYOR.

UM, I THINK THAT, UM, FOR THE TESTIMONY GIVEN BY, BY MY CLIENT, I, I THINK IT'S CLEAR THAT HE'S SINCERE.

UH, HE'S A BUSINESS OWNER.

UH, HE SIMPLY WANTS TO OPERATE A BUSINESS LAWFULLY.

UM, HE, HE DESCRIBED THE FACT THAT HE BASICALLY HAD VARIOUS, UM, MASSAGE THERAPISTS THAT WOULD COME AND GO.

THEY WEREN'T THERE ALL THE TIME.

THEY HAD A VERBAL AGREEMENT TO SPLIT THE MONEY.

IT OBVIOUSLY WASN'T A HIGHLY MANAGED IN ANY REGARD, UH, EITHER FOR PREVENTING ILLEGAL ACTIVITY OR MONETARILY OR OTHERWISE.

IT WAS BASICALLY A TRUST AGREEMENT.

THEY SPLIT WHAT'S COLLECTED UPFRONT AND THEN THE SPLITS, UH, THE FEES GO.

I'M SORRY.

THE, UH, TIPS GO TO THE MASSAGE THERAPISTS.

UM, I THINK HE'S ALSO SINCERE IN TELLING THE CITY THAT HE WANTS TO IMPLEMENT ANY OVERSIGHT NECESSARY TO PREVENT THIS.

I DON'T THINK THAT HE

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UM, I THINK THAT HE IS OPEN TO DOING WHATEVER HE NEEDS TO DO TO PREVENT IT.

IT'S, UH, HE WASN'T GOING INTO THE BUSINESS TO DO THIS AND SO IT WASN'T RUNNING AWAY TO, UH, BE SURREPTITIOUS ABOUT IT IF THESE MASSAGE THERAPISTS WERE DOING THIS.

IT WASN'T TO HIS KNOWLEDGE OR HIS MANAGER'S KNOWLEDGE.

UM, I THINK AS HE'S EXPLAINED TO ME IN THE PAST THAT FIRST ARREST, HE WAS NOT INVOLVED IN THE BUSINESS.

I THINK THERE MIGHT'VE BEEN A PREVIOUS PARTNER WHO IS NOT THERE, UM, ANYMORE.

UM, SO CERTAINLY THE ACTIVITY, THIS ARREST THAT TOOK PLACE WAS A SURPRISE TO HIM.

UM, HE'S MADE CLEAR THAT FUTURE EMPLOYEES WILL NOT INCLUDE ANY OF THE PEOPLE THAT WORKED THERE PREVIOUSLY.

UM, THEY CAN CERTAINLY BE RIGOROUS ABOUT WHO THEY EMPLOY.

UM, I THINK MANY OF US ARE AWARE THAT OFTENTIMES THE PEOPLE WHO ENGAGE IN THIS CONDUCT, UH, AND ARRESTED FOR SOLICITATION ARE OFTEN VICTIMS THEMSELVES OF TRAFFICKING.

THEY'RE HERE ILLEGALLY OR OVERSTAYED VISAS.

THEY'RE SCARED TO BE DEPORTED.

THEY'RE TRYING TO MAKE MONEY, CERTAINLY NOT EMPLOYING PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT HERE, UH, OR NOT PERMITTED TO BE HER LAWFULLY ON IMMIGRATION STATUS WOULD BE A VERY GOOD STEP TOWARDS ENSURING THAT IT'S NOT THE KIND OF PEOPLE THAT MIGHT BE FORCED TO DO THIS KIND OF CONDUCT.

UM, BUT I ALSO THINK THAT, UH, IF THE CITY WERE TO CONSIDER ANY SORT OF A PROBATIONARY PERIOD OR AS WELL A FINANCIAL BOND BY THE BUSINESS TO BE PUT UP AS SOME SORT OF SURETY AND GUARANTEE OF, UH, COMPLIANCE, UH, IN THE FUTURE, I THINK THAT, UH, MR SUN WOULD CERTAINLY BE OPEN TO IT.

UM, I THINK GENERALLY IT'S A BUSINESS THAT'S RESPECTED BY THE COMMUNITY.

THERE WERE MANY SIGNATURES SUBMITTED, UM, BY, UH, PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY WHO LIKED THE BUSINESS, WHO GO THERE LAWFULLY.

UH, THERE ARE PLENTY OF GOOD REVIEWS FOR THE, UM, FOR THE, UH, MASSAGE PARLOR AS WELL ON YELP, WHICH IS NOT LIKE THE OTHER REVIEW SITE, WHICH I DID NOT KNOW EXISTED BEFORE THIS CASE.

UM, SO IT'S NOT A SHOP THAT WAS OPEN SIMPLY TO PERFORM ILLEGAL SEX ACTS.

IT WAS A MASSAGE PARLOR.

LEGITIMATE BUSINESS LICENSES, UH, OBTAINED TAXES PAID WHEN THE CITY TOLD HIM YOU NEED A SPECIAL OPERATIONS LICENSE.

HE PERMITTED, UH, HE SOUGHT THAT IMMEDIATELY.

SO HE WAS NOT TRYING TO SKIRT THE LAW.

HE WAS TRYING TO DO WHAT HE WAS SUPPOSED TO DO.

AND, UM, UNFORTUNATELY BY HIS OWN ADMISSION, SOME NEGLIGENCE AND FAILURE TO OVERSIGHT, UM, THERE WAS A LEGAL ACTIVITY GOING ON, WHICH OBVIOUSLY CANNOT HAPPEN, NOT FOR HIMSELF AND NOT FOR THE CITY.

IT SHOULDN'T BE PERMITTED.

UM, SO I THINK WITH THAT AND HIS SINCERE COMMENTS AND WILLINGNESS TO ACCEPT ANY AND ALL CONDITIONS NECESSARY TO OPEN HIS MASSAGE PARLOR AS WELL AS CLEARLY, UM, THE FINANCIAL LIABILITY THAT HE'LL FACE AS WELL AS HIS, UH, MANAGER WHO HERSELF AND HER HUSBAND ARE ON THE LEASE GOING FORWARD.

UM, IT'S A SUBSTANTIAL BURDEN.

IT'S, IT'S HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS IN LEASE PAYMENTS, UH, FOR BUSINESS.

THEY EXPECT IT TO CONTINUE OPERATING, UM, LAWFULLY.

AND I THINK WITH THAT WE'LL SUBMIT OUR COMMENTS.

I'M SORRY.

AND DETECTIVE SERGEANT, IF YOU LIKE TO GIVE A CLOSING ARGUMENT, THE ONLY ADDITIONAL COMMENT THAT I'LL MAKE IS THAT, UM, ONE OF MY DETECTIVES JUST PULLED UP THAT WEBSITE I WAS REFERENCING AND THERE ARE 13 DIFFERENT FEMALE NAMES LISTED ON THAT WEBSITE.

THAT'S ALL.

IS THAT THE WEBSITE THAT YOU SAID, UH, THAT UM, WAS LISTED AS A ILLEGAL ACTIVITY BEING DONE BY THOSE PEOPLE BEFORE HE ANSWERED THAT A COUNSELOR, ARE WE ALLOWED TO ASK QUESTIONS AS FAR AS JUST CLOSING STATEMENTS? YOU KNOW, THIS WAS INTENDED TO BE CLOSING STATEMENTS AND I THINK WE BETTER, WE BETTER STAY WITHIN THE PROTOCOL AND NOT ASK QUESTIONS, BUT THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, SIR.

RIGHT THIS TIME IT'S IN THE HANDS OF THE CITY COUNCIL TO MAKE A DECISION.

UM, I HAVE SOME THINGS I HAVE TO RE ASK YOU QUESTIONS BECAUSE OF THE PROTOCOL.

HAS ANYONE ON THE CITY COUNCIL RECEIVED INFORMATION TO THIS HEARING THAT DOES NOT CONTAIN THE STAFF REPORT OR THE DOCUMENTS SUBMITTED TO THE CITY COUNCIL IN THE AGENDA PACKET.

THAT'S FOR ME AS WELL.

AND THIS ADMINISTRATIVE APPEAL, ONLY THE PARTIES THERE DOESN'T ANY REPRESENTATIVES AND ALL THE DESIGNATED WITNESSES MAY TESTIFY BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL AT THIS TIME.

I ASKED THAT EACH PARTY, THE REPRESENTATIVES, THE TRANSLATOR DOES A WITNESS.

UH, WE'VE, WE'VE DONE THIS, I'M SORRY, I, I SHOULD HAVE READ THIS BEFORE.

I APOLOGIZE.

TWO OUT OF TWO, I'LL CALL THEM STINGS.

SO IT'S IN THE, IT'S IN THE COUNSEL'S ANSWER.

UM, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY COMMENTS? I, I, I THINK IT'S A PRETTY CLEAR CASE, BUT I'M OPEN TO HEARING THIS.

SO TAKING A LOOK AT THE FACTS,

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THERE WAS ILLEGAL ACTIVITY GOING ON.

TWO OUT OF TWO.

THAT'S 100%.

WE GOT 43 COMMENTS OF ILLEGAL SEXUAL ACTIVITY ON THIS WEBSITE AND I KNOW THOSE PEOPLE AREN'T HERE FOR ANYBODY TO CROSS EXAMINE, SO I GIVE THAT LESS CREDENCE.

OF COURSE.

UM, WE'VE TRIED, I KNOW BOB AND I FOR NOW, WHAT, 22 YEARS THAT WE'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH THE CITY TO MAKE THIS A SAFE, WHOLESOME, FAMILY FRIENDLY COMMUNITY.

AND I BELIEVE THAT THE ACTIVITY GOING ON HERE IS NOT SAFE, WHOLESOME OR FAMILY FRIENDLY OR MORAL.

SO, UH, IT'S MY INCLINATION TO DENY THE APPEAL.

THE THOUGHTS OR CONCERNS, CERTAINLY THE ISSUE OF THE LEASE WAS BROUGHT UP QUITE A BIT.

I DON'T SEE MR SUN ON THE LEASE.

I DON'T SEE IT.

IT WOULD BE UP TO A COURT TO DETERMINE, BUT IF HE'S NOT ON THE LEASE, I DON'T KNOW THAT HE HAS LIABILITY FOR THE LEASE.

UH, IF HE'S BEEN MAKING PAYMENTS, DOES HE HAVE VICARIOUS LIABILITY FOR THE LEASE? I DON'T KNOW.

THAT'S FOR SOMEBODY ELSE TO DECIDE.

BUT TODAY HIS NAME'S NOT ON THE LEASE, NOR IS ANY OWNER OF HIS BUSINESS ON THAT LEASE.

HE'S THE SOLE OWNER.

UH, IF ANYTHING, I THINK IT HAS PUT HIS MANAGER AND HER HUSBAND IN A DIFFICULT SPOT TO BE ON THE LEASE, UH, INSTEAD OF HIMSELF, UH, THAT THERE ARE BEEN TWO ARRESTS DURING HIS OWNERSHIP ARE TROUBLING THAT THERE ARE, UH, AYE I THINK LACK, I THINK THE ADMISSION OF LACK OF IS NOT AN EXCUSE FOR, UM, PREVENTING CRIME.

AND THIS IS, I GUESS AT THIS POINT AN ALLEGED CRIMES STILL BECAUSE IT HASN'T GONE THROUGH THE COURT SYSTEM.

SO WE NEED TO BE FAIR ABOUT THAT.

UH, BUT LACK OF OVERSIGHT SEEMS TO BE A BIG ISSUE HERE.

AND THE FACT THAT TWO PEOPLE HAVE BEEN ARRESTED UNDER HIS OWNERSHIP IS VERY TROUBLING.

I THINK MOST PEOPLE ON EL CAHONE WOULD SAY TWO ARRESTS AT A LOCATION IN THE PAST THREE YEARS IS NOT THE KIND OF BUSINESS WE WANT IN OUR CITY.

AND I'LL, I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT.

ANYBODY ELSE? YEAH, I TEND TO AGREE WITH MY COLLEAGUES.

UM, I'M A BUSINESS OWNER MYSELF AND MMM.

A LACK OF OVERSIGHT.

AS COUNCILMAN GOEBEL SAID, IS IT AN EXCUSE TO LET YOUR BUSINESS RUN RAMPANT AND REALLY LET IT RUN ITSELF? IT SOUNDED LIKE THE MASSAGE THERAPISTS WERE REALLY RUNNING THE PLACE INSTEAD OF THE MANAGERS OR MR. SOON.

UM, I'M GOING TO BE VOTING NO TO, TO UH, DID, I'M GOING TO BE VOTING FOR THE DENIAL OF, OF, OF THE SPECIAL OPERATIONS LICENSE.

JUST TO CLARIFY, IF WE WANT TO ALLOW THE BUS CONTINUE, WE'D BE VOTING YES TO GRANT THE APPEAL.

IF YOU WANT THE BUSINESS STOP TO CONTINUE, THEN YOU VOTE NO.

ANYBODY LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION OR IS THERE MORE DISCRETION? OH, I'LL MAKE, I'LL GO AHEAD GARY.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION.

I VOTE NO, I DO NOT WANT TO GRANT THE APPEAL.

SECOND, IT HAS MOVED AND SECONDED.

PLEASE VOTE.

UM, I'M SORRY.

I'M GOING TO HAVE TO RESET THE VOTE.

PLEASE.

IT'S TO GRANT THE APPROVE THE MOTION, WHICH IS DENYING THE APPEAL.

AND YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SURE WE DID THIS CORRECT.

UM, AGAIN, IF YOU ADD THE, THE, SO THE QUESTION IS DO WE WANT TO GRANT THIS APPEAL? SO, GARY, IF YOU DO NOT WANT TO GRANT THE APPEAL, YOUR MOTION SHOULD BE THAT, UH, YOU WANT TO DENY IT? OKAY.

NO, UH, RESTATE MY MOTION.

I WANT TO DENY THE APPEAL.

THAT WILL BE MY MOTION.

ISN'T THAT TRUE? YES OR NO? YEAH.

AND AFFIRMATIVE VOTE WOULD DENY BE IN YOUR INTENT TO DENY THE APPEAL.

SO IF YOU VOTE YES,

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PLEASE VOTE MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE BUT ISN'T.

OR WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A SHORT, SHORT FIVE MINUTE BREAK AND WE WILL BE BACK TO CONTINUE AT THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING.

WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE WITH ADMINISTRATIVE REPORTS.

[13. Update on Homeless Progams RECOMMENDATION: That the City Council provides direction to staff regarding homeless programming for 2020.]

WE HAVE SEVERAL ADMINISTRATIVE REPORTS AND TODAY'S AGENDA ITEM 13 IS AN UPDATE ON THE HOMELESS PROGRAM.

I LIKE TO ASK OUR STAFF TO TELL US ABOUT THIS.

PLEASE.

MR MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL.

GOOD AFTERNOON.

UM, TODAY'S, UH, AGENDA ITEM IS TO, UH, FOR STAFF TO PROVIDE A YEAR END REPORT ON THE HOMELESS PROGRAMS THAT THE CITY'S BEEN FUNDING THIS PAST YEAR.

AND THEN ALSO TO SEEK SOME COUNCIL DIRECTION ON HOW, UH, THE LIMITED FUNDING THAT IS AVAILABLE SHOULD BE ADMINISTERED AND THE UPCOMING YEAR OF 2020.

UM, JUST AS A REMINDER, THERE'S SORT OF TWO OVERARCHING GOALS FOR THE HOMELESS PROGRAMS THAT WE'VE PRESENTED.

ONE IS TO PROVIDE PERMANENT HOUSING FOR THOSE THAT ARE IN OUR COMMUNITY.

AND SECOND IS TO ADDRESS THE IMPACTS OF HOMELESSNESS AND THEIR NEGATIVE IMPACTS ON OUR COMMUNITY, SUCH AS AS PRESERVING THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND PARKS AND OTHER MUNICIPAL AMENITIES.

SO AS A REMINDER, WE FUNDED THROUGH THIS PAST YEAR SEVEN HOMELESS RELATED PROGRAMS AND I'M GOING TO PROVIDE JUST A LITTLE BIT OF INFORMATION ON EACH OF THESE PROGRAMS, A LITTLE BIT OF ABOUT HOW MUCH IT COSTS US AND SOME OF THE BENEFITS OR ACCOMPLISHMENTS FROM THOSE VARIOUS PROGRAMS. UH, THE FIRST PROGRAM THAT WE FUNDED, AND WE STARTED FUNDING THIS IN THE LAST QUARTER OR THE FOURTH QUARTER OF 2017 IS THE ELKO AND HOUSING CONNECTIONS PROGRAM.

WE RELY ON CRISIS HOUSE TO ADMINISTER THIS PROGRAM.

AS YOU RECALL, THIS PROGRAM PAYS FOR HOUSING NAVIGATOR AND THEN ALSO HOUSING OR RENTAL ASSISTANCE MONEY THAT THE HOUSING NAVIGATOR CAN UTILIZE.

HELP FOLKS GET INTO HOMES.

OH, WE ALLOCATED $150,000 THIS PAST YEAR.

THIS IS OUR SECOND ALLOTMENT OF $150,000 AND WE'RE ABLE TO USE LOW MODERATE FUNDS, HOUSING FUNDS TO ACCOMPLISH THIS.

WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO, UM, UH, THROUGH THIS PROGRAM PERMANENTLY FIND HOUSING FOR 86 INDIVIDUALS THAT WERE ONCE HOMELESS ON OUR, OUR, UM, IN OUR COMMUNITY, WHICH IS A PRETTY MIRACULOUS THING.

THIS SLIDE HERE SHOWS THE PROGRESS, UH, BY QUARTER FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS IN THAT ONE QUARTER IN 2017, AS YOU CAN SEE IN, UH, 2019, WE WERE ABLE TO PLACE 22 INDIVIDUALS INTO PERMANENT HOUSING THROUGH THIS PROGRAM.

UM, ALSO I SHOULD NOTE THAT THE CRISIS HOUSE HAS AN AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY THAT EXPIRES IN MARCH OF THIS YEAR.

AND IN OUR AGREEMENT WE HAVE TARGETS FOR THEM TO MEET AND, AND EACH YEAR THAT THEY'D BEEN OPERATIONAL, THEY'VE MET THOSE DIFFERENT TARGETS THAT WE'VE SET FOR THEM.

UM, IT'S ALSO, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO KNOW THE COST PER PERSON TO HOUSE.

IF YOU TAKE, TAKE OUR TOTAL INVESTMENT IN THIS PROGRAM DIVIDED BY THE 86 PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN HOUSED, IT COMES OUT TO BE ABOUT $2,800 PER PERSON TO FIND PERMANENT HOUSING OR $4,400 PER FAMILY, WHICH IN THE BIG SCHEME OF THINGS AND THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING WORLD, THAT'S PRETTY INEXPENSIVE.

GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.

UM, THE, THE NEXT PROGRAM THAT WE HAVE FUNDED IS A WAY BACK HOME PROGRAM IS, UH, ADMINISTERED THROUGH THE SALVATION ARMY SINCE 2017 THEY'VE BEEN ABLE TO PLACE 73 INDIVIDUALS INTO PERMANENT HOUSING.

AND UM, THAT THIS NEXT SLIDE, THIS SLIDE, AGAIN, SIMILAR TO THE PREVIOUS GRAPH THAT SHOWS BY QUARTER FOLKS THAT HAVE BEEN PLACED THIS LAST YEAR, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO SO FAR WITH MONEY STILL REMAINING IN THE CONTRACT, 38 INDIVIDUALS.

AND SO, UM, THIS IS AN ONGOING, VERY SUCCESSFUL PROGRAM.

W WE ESTIMATE THAT THIS PROGRAM COSTS ABOUT $230 PER PERSON TO, TO RELOCATE THEM TO A LOVED ONE OR TO A, SOME PERMANENT HOUSING.

THE NEXT PROGRAM THAT WE'VE BEEN ADMINISTERING IS A PROGRAM THROUGH THE EAST, UM, EAST COUNTY TRANSITIONAL LIVING CENTER.

AND IT IS, UM, WHERE WE USE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT MONEY TO PAY FOR SHELTER SPACE AT THE EAC TLCS FACILITY.

UH, THIS PAST YEAR THEY'VE BEEN BE ABLE TO PROVIDE A 270 INDIVIDUALS WITH EMERGENCY SHELTER.

AND THIS IS TYPICALLY DURING THE COLD WINTER MONTHS.

THE CITY ALLOCATES THE A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS USING COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT MONIES FOR THIS.

AND IT COSTS, IF YOU AVERAGE

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IT OUT, IT ENDS UP BEING I BELIEVE BETWEEN 40 AND $50 PER PERSON PER NIGHT TO HOUSE SOMEBODY.

THIS PROGRAM HAS ALSO BEEN VERY BENEFICIAL BECAUSE IT'S ACTUALLY BEEN A FUNNEL TO GET INDIVIDUALS CONNECTED WITH OUR EAST COUNTY HOUSING CONNECTIONS PROGRAM AND WITH THE AWAY BACK HOME PROGRAM AND WITH OTHER SERVICES AND ACTUALLY INTO ECE, TLCS, OTHER, UM, HOUSING PROGRAMS AS WELL.

SO THROUGH THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO USE THAT PROGRAM TO PARLAY 104 INDIVIDUALS TO BE, UH, TO FIND PERMANENT HOUSING.

AND SOME OF THOSE ARE DOUBLE COUNTING PEOPLE THAT ARE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE WAY BACK HOME.

AND THE HOUSING CONNECTIONS PROGRAM, BUT QUITE A SUCCESSFUL PROGRAM.

AND THAT DOESN'T EVEN INCLUDE THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE DON'T FUND, WHICH I'LL TALK ABOUT IN A LITTLE BIT.

WE ALSO RELY ON THE EAST COUNTY TRANSITIONAL LIVING CENTER TO PAY FOR A PROGRAM THAT WE STARTED AND PILOTED AT THE END OR THE, THE SECOND HALF OF 2019 CALL IT OUR CLEAN STREETS PROGRAM.

WE HIRE ECE AND ACCRUE WITH VEHICLE TO GO AND MAKE PICKUPS AROUND THE CITY.

THEY, UH, RECEIVE A ROUTE EVERY DAY OF PLACES THAT THEY'RE TO GO.

AND WHEN WE SEE HOTSPOTS, WE SEND THEM THERE.

THEY ALSO HAVE A ROUTINE ROUTE THAT THEY GO ON WHERE THERE'S HIGH TRAFFIC AREAS OF, OF DEBRIS LEFT.

AND MOSTLY IT'S, I MEAN, IT'S, ANYTHING CAN BE, UH, DEBRIS THAT'S LEFT BY, UH, PEOPLE THAT ARE HOMELESS OR INDIVIDUALS THAT HAVE HOMES.

BUT THEY ALSO PLAY AN INTEGRAL ROLE IN OUR, UH, PUBLIC WORK STAFF'S ABILITY TO ADDRESS THE HOMELESS TRASH THAT'S LEFT IN OUR STREETS.

UH, THIS PAST YEAR, THEY'VE BEEN, THEY'VE MADE ABOUT A THOUSAND PICKUPS AND PICKED UP 120 TONS OF DEBRIS OFF OF THE CITY STREETS.

THIS, UM, PROGRAM COSTS $6,000 A MONTH.

UH, IT IS EXPIRED.

WE NO LONGER HAVE THEIR SERVICES.

IN FACT, I RECENTLY REACHED OUT TO THE PUBLIC WORKS YARD HOPING TO GET THEM TO COME OUT AND WAS REMINDED AS I DIALED THE PHONE THAT WE DON'T HAVE THEM.

SO WE HAD TO HAVE OUR CREWS GO PICK THEM UP.

SO IF WE WERE TO RENEW THIS, WE WOULD, WE PUT THEM BACK TO WORK AND GET THEM A HELPING AUGMENT OUR CITY STAFF.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE COST OF THIS PROGRAM AND THEN YOU TAKE THE SAVINGS THAT WE'RE EXPERIENCING FROM OUR OWN CREWS, BEING ABLE TO DO OTHER THINGS.

AND THAT'S A SAVINGS OF ABOUT $45,000 PER SIX MONTHS.

SO WE THINK THIS IS A VALUABLE PROGRAM.

UH, ANOTHER PROGRAM, AND THIS IS BY THE WAY, FUNDED THROUGH THE GENERAL FUND.

UM, ANOTHER PROGRAM THAT WE HAVE RELIED ON IS, UM, THE EAST COUNTY HOMELESS TASK FORCE.

IT RUNS UNDER THE AUSPICES OF THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE.

UH, THIS HAS REALLY BEEN THE CLEARING HOUSE OF BIG IDEAS.

IT'S A WAY FOR, UM, THOUGHTS TO BE VETTED.

IT'S A GREAT PLACE FOR COMMUNITY TO COME TOGETHER AND IF THERE'S SOMEONE THAT WANTS TO BE INVOLVED IN WITH, WITH SOLUTIONS, THIS IS A PLACE THAT WE CAN SEND THEM AND THEY CAN EITHER BE INVOLVED OR NOT BE INVOLVED.

BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBER OF MEETINGS THEY HAD, THEY HAD A 115 COMMUNITY MEETINGS THIS PAST YEAR.

CLEARLY AMPLE OPPORTUNITIES FOR ANYONE IN THE COMMUNITY THAT HAS A PLACE IN THEIR HEART FOR THIS TO BE INVOLVED IN SOME WAY, SHAPE OR FORM.

AND THEY'RE ALWAYS LOOKING FOR MORE ASSISTANCE.

THE CITY DID USE GENERAL FUND MONEY THIS PAST YEAR TO HELP THEM, UH, RUN THE PROGRAM.

UH, THAT WAS WITHIN MY, UM, DISCRETION AS THE CITY MANAGERS AND MY SPENDING AUTHORITY.

WHEN, WHEN I PLEDGED THAT AMOUNT, IT WAS WITH OTHER LEADERS FROM THE OTHER THREE EAST COUNTY CITIES AND WITH THE COUNTY OF SAN DIEGO.

WITH THAT PLEDGE WAS MADE.

I ASKED THE OTHER FOR GOVERNMENTAL ENTITIES TO JUST MATCH THAT OF WHAT THE CITY DID.

SO BETWEEN THE FOUR OF THEM COME UP WITH ANOTHER $5,000.

IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT AS A TO DATE THOSE OTHER ENTITIES HAVE NOT COME UP WITH THAT MATCH.

IT SEEMS LIKE AN EASY THING FOR OUR NEIGHBORS TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE HOMELESS PROGRAMS COUNCIL.

THIS MAKES ME FEEL THAT THE CITY OF EL CAHONE IS ON ITS OWN IN THIS AREA.

UM, WE ALSO, ALTHOUGH NO DON'T FINANCIALLY SUPPORT THE REGIONAL TASK FORCE ON HOMELESSNESS.

WE DO PROVIDE, UM, FOLKS THAT GO TO THE, THEIR MEETINGS, THEY'RE AN IMPORTANT ENTITY IN OUR REGION.

THEY DISTRIBUTED ONE POINT $7 MILLION IN HOMELESS EMERGENCY AID PROGRAM FUNDS.

I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT THAT IN A LITTLE BIT.

UM, WHICH IS PRETTY IMPORTANT AND THEY WILL CONTINUE TO ADMINISTER A SECOND YEAR OF FUNDING THIS.

UM, ONCE THIS NEXT ROUND IS COMPLETED.

THE, THE LAST, UH, PROGRAM THAT WE FUND IS REALLY MORE OF AN INTERNAL FUND, UM, OR AN INTERNAL PROGRAM.

IT'S CITY STAFF.

IT'S, IT'S NO ONE WE HIRE SPECIFICALLY FOR THIS, BUT IT CERTAINLY TAKES PEOPLE AWAY FROM ALMOST EVERY DEPARTMENT IN THE CITY AWAY FROM THEIR NORMAL JOBS.

AND WE FOCUS SOLELY ON HOMELESS ISSUES.

UH, THIS PAST YEAR WE'VE DONE

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A LOT OF WORK.

UH, WE REACHED OUT TO 20, ON AVERAGE PER WEEK, 22 HOMELESS INDIVIDUALS OFFERING THEM SERVICES.

MANY TIMES WE ACCOMPANY OTHER SERVICE PROVIDERS.

YOU CAN SEE A LOT OF OUTREACH GOING ON IN THIS SLIDE.

WE ALSO DO A LOT OF CLEANUP.

HERE'S A, I'M GOING TO SHOW A COUPLE OF PICTURES OF SOME OF THE CLEANUP THAT WE'VE DONE.

THIS IS IN A TUNNEL IN ONE OF OUR CHANNELS THAT GOES UNDER A STREET.

UH, THIS IS WHEN WE, WHAT WE FOUND, THIS IS US USING A HEAVY EQUIPMENT TO PUSH THAT OUT AND SEND THAT TO THE DUMP.

UH, OVER THE YEAR WE HAVE COLLECTED, UM, 176 TONS OF DEBRIS ON CITY STREETS, SIDEWALKS, PARKS, CHANNELS, CREEKS.

IF YOU DO THE MATH, THAT'S 300, ABOUT 350 POUNDS OF TRASH AND LITTER THAT HAS BEEN LEFT AROUND OUR COMMUNITY, THAT OUR STAFF HAS DONE AN AMAZING JOB IN CLEANING UP AND TAKING CARE OF AND ENSURING THAT OUR QUALITY OF LIFE IN THE CITY OF EL CAHONE IS BETTER.

UM, COUPLE OTHER EXAMPLES.

THIS IS A, UM, AN ENCAMPMENT WE FOUND AT HILLSIDE PARK.

THIS IS ACTUALLY, THIS IS ON THE SKIRT OF THE CITY PROPERTY AND PRIVATE PROPERTY.

IS IT A BUS UP THE HILL? UM, THIS WAS NOT THE ONLY ENCAMPMENT FOUND IN THAT AREA, BUT WE SPENT AN ENTIRE WEEK WITH CITY CREWS, ALMOST EVERY SINGLE PUBLIC WORK STAFF, UH, DROPPED EVERYTHING WE WERE DOING AND WE DEDICATED AN ENTIRE WEEK TOWARDS CLEANING THIS HILL UP AND CLEANING OUT DEBRIS.

HERE'S A COUPLE OF, HERE'S A BEFORE PICTURE OF UM, AN UNDERPASS.

SIMILAR TO THE, TO OUR PROGRAM.

HERE'S THE AFTER EFFECT.

AFTER WE GOT THERE, WE ACTUALLY GO INTO PRIVATE PROPERTY WITH HIS TEAM AS WELL.

WHEN WE SEE ISSUES, HERE'S AN ENCAMPMENT FORMING ON PRIVATE PROPERTY.

HERE'S WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE AFTER WE GOT DONE.

SO THERE'S BEEN A LOT GOING ON AND ALL WE'VE SPENT $640,000 THIS PAST YEAR ON A PER CAPITA BASIS.

THAT MAY BE MORE THAN ANY OTHER CITY IN THE COUNTY.

UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT FOR SURE, BUT I KNOW THAT WE ARE DOING FAR MORE THAN MOST OF OUR NEIGHBORS ARE DOING.

I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE I'D BE REMISSED IF I DIDN'T CALL OUT THAT WE HAVE MANY HELPING HANDS IN OUR COMMUNITY.

IT'S, IT'S NOT JUST THESE SEVEN PROGRAMS THAT ARE FUNDED BY THE CITY OF EL CAHONE.

THERE ARE MANY ORANGE ORGANIZATIONS, ENTITIES, INDIVIDUALS, GROUPS, CHURCHES THAT HAVE A PASSION FOR THIS AND WANT TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE.

AND SO THEY REACH OUT.

MY STAFF REPORTS IDENTIFIES A, UH, FOUR OF THEM.

I'M JUST GONNA BRIEFLY MENTION THEM.

ECE TLC CONTINUES TO BE AN AMAZING PARTNER WITH THE CITY OF EL CAHONE.

THEY DO, UM, PERHAPS MORE THAN ANY OTHER ORGANIZATION IN THE COUNTY OF SAN DIEGO.

UM, BESIDES THE 343 INDIVIDUALS THAT THEY SERVED THROUGH OUR PROGRAM, THEY SERVED OVER 800 INDIVIDUALS THROUGH THEIR OWN PROGRAM, WHICH IS A RELIGIOUS, A RELIGIOUS BASED PROGRAM, WHICH IS NOT FUNDED FOR THE CITY.

BECAUSE OF THAT, UH, THEY'VE SERVED THOUSANDS OF MEALS AND THEY, UM, ARE A WONDERFUL CONDUIT FOR GETTING INDIVIDUALS INTO PROGRAMS AND TO SHELTER INTO PERMANENT HOUSING.

UM, WE WORK CLOSELY WITH THE MCALISTER INSTITUTE.

THEY'RE AN ORGANIZATION THAT GOES OUT AND THEY HELP INDIVIDUALS FIND A TREATMENT AND SOBRIETY.

THEY PLACE PEOPLE INTO SOBER LIVING FACILITIES.

THEY'RE A GREAT CONDUIT INTO OUR CONNECTIONS HOUSING PROGRAM AND THROUGH A WAY BACK HOME PROGRAM, THEY'VE DONE AMAZING WORK IN THE CITY OF EL CAHONE.

UH, MERIDIAN SOUTHERN BAPTIST CHURCH IS, IS EXPLORING LOTS OF DIFFERENT OPPORTUNITIES, MAYBE EVEN, UH, SOME TINY HOMES AS A WAY TO PROVIDE SOME TEMPORARY HOUSING.

SO ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF JUST THINKING OUTSIDE THE BOX AND LOOKING FOR OPPORTUNITIES TO BE INVOLVED THERE HAD PASTOR UH, ROLAND SLADE IS, UM, A BOARD MEMBER ON THE REGIONAL TASK FORCE ON HOMELESSNESS, A HUGE ADVOCATE FOR THE CITY.

I'M AT THE REGION AND WE APPRECIATE A LOT OF HIS WORK AND WE HAVE EVEN FOLKS LIKE MR. JOHN SIMON, HE'S IN THE AUDIENCE TONIGHT.

HE'S ACTUALLY REALIZED THAT A LOT OF FOLKS THAT ARE INCARCERATED ARE ALSO HOMELESS AND AS SOON AS THEY ARE RELEASED ARE GOING TO BE RELEASED ONTO OUR STREETS.

HE REACHES OUT TO THEM AND TRIES TO ESTABLISH CONNECTIONS WITH THEM AND OTHER SERVICE PROVIDERS BEFORE THEY'RE EVEN RELEASED.

SO WHEN THEY GET OUT OF JAIL OR PRISON, THEY HAVE A SERVICES WRITING FOR THEM AND ARE ABLE TO GET INTO HOUSING.

SO JUST A PLETHORA OF ORGANIZATIONS AND ENTITIES AND INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE MAKING A DIFFERENCE IN OUR COMMUNITY AND REALLY AUGMENTING THE WORK THAT THE CITY IS ABLE TO DO WITH ITS MEAGER AMOUNT OF MONEY.

I MENTIONED EARLIER THAT THERE'S SOME HEAP FUNDING, HOMELESS EMERGENCY AID PROGRAM FUNDING THAT'S BEEN ALLOCATED BY THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA FOR THE NEXT TWO YEARS.

THE REGIONAL TASK FORCE IS ALLOCATED ALMOST, ALMOST $20 MILLION, UM, IN FUNDING THROUGHOUT THE REGION.

ONE POINT $7 MILLION OF THAT IS GOING TO EAST COUNTY, SPECIFICALLY A CRISIS HOUSES, GETTING MONEY FOR HOUSING NAVIGATION.

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HOMESTART IS ANOTHER, A NEW ORGANIZATION IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT WE'RE GETTING TO KNOW.

THEY HAVE ALSO RECEIVED HOUSING, NAVIGATION MONEY.

THE SALVATION ARMY TOOK OUR LITTLE PILOT PROGRAM THAT WE DEVELOPED WITH THEM AND ARE EXPANDING A COUNTY WIDE.

IT'S VERY EXCITING TO BE PART OF THAT ON THE GROUND FLOOR.

MAYBE SOMETHING WE AREN'T GETTING CREDIT FOR REGIONALLY FOR, FOR HELPING TO FUNDING IN GET THAT LITTLE INFANT GROWNUP.

UM, AND I'VE ALSO LEARNED THAT FAMILY HEALTH CENTERS ALSO HAS HOUSING NAVIGATION COUNTYWIDE, BUT THEY ACTUALLY HAVE AN INDIVIDUAL HERE IN EAST COUNTY THAT'S PROVIDING SIMILAR HOUSING NAVIGATION SERVICES.

SO THROUGH THIS HEAP FUNDING, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE ARE THREE SEPARATE HOUSING NAVIGATION PROGRAMS THAT ARE GOING TO BE FUNDED TO AUGMENT WHAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY GOING ON.

UM, IN MY STAFF REPORT I TALKED ABOUT HOMELESS SOME, I PRESENTED SOME HOMELESS ENFORCEMENT DATA.

UM, I THINK IT'S PRETTY RELEVANT BECAUSE IT CERTAINLY SHOWS SOME, SOME OF WHERE WE'RE GOING AND I WANT THE COUNCIL AND FRANKLY THE COMMUNITY TO UNDERSTAND WHAT SOME OF THE EXPECTATIONS FROM OUR COMMUNITY IS.

AND MAYBE SOME OF THAT MAY BE A LITTLE UNREALISTIC.

BUT IF YOU LOOK AT, UH, CALLS FOR SERVICE FOR HOMELESS RELATED CALLS SPECIFICALLY, YOU CAN SEE THAT BETWEEN 2013 AND 2018 IT'S GROWN DRAMATICALLY EVERY YEAR.

UM, BEGINNING IN 2019, WE SAW OUR FIRST DROP, UM, WHICH IS PRETTY EXCITING AND I THINK THERE'S A COUPLE REASONS FOR THAT.

AND I, I DON'T HAVE SCIENTIFIC BACKING BEHIND IT, BUT I, I HAVE SORT OF THREE PLAUSIBLE HYPOTHESES AND THEY PROBABLY ARE ALL A LITTLE BIT, UH, VALID ONE.

I THINK THE CYNICAL PART OF ME SAYS PEOPLE ARE TIRED OF CALLING.

IT'S THE NEW NORM.

PEOPLE EXPECT IT.

WHEN I TALK TO TEENAGERS AND I POINT OUT HOMELESS INDIVIDUALS, THEY GO, WHAT? THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO BE THERE TOO.

AND SO I THINK THERE'S A EXPECTATION OR, OR A NEW STANDARD IN OUR SOCIETY THAT IT'S APPROPRIATE TO HAVE A TENT ON THE SIDEWALK.

UM, I THINK THAT WE ACTUALLY HAVE LESS ENCAMPMENTS IN OUR COMMUNITY BECAUSE OF THE WORK THAT WE'VE DONE TO FIND HOUSING FOR INDIVIDUALS.

AND SO THERE'S LESS, UH, CALLS.

I THINK, UH, ANOTHER FACTOR IS OUR QUALITY OF LIFE TEAM HAS MADE A BIG DIFFERENCE.

WE, WE WERE STUDIED THIS LAST YEAR BY A CAPSTONE GROUP FROM OUR SAN DIEGO STATE'S PUBLIC ADMINISTRATION PROGRAM.

GRADUATE STUDENTS ARE REQUIRED TO DO A CAPSTONE PROJECT AND WE HAD A GROUP OF FOUR STUDENTS THAT DOVE INTO OUR DATA, LOOKED AT EVERY TIME WE DID AN ENFORCEMENT DETAIL OR AN OUTREACH DETAIL AND THEN THEY LOOKED AT OUR CALL VOLUME.

THEY LOOKED AT IT FOR THE, SINCE WE STARTED DOING THIS AND THEY NOTICED A SHARP DECLINE IN CALLS FOR SERVICE THE THREE DAYS AFTER WE DID SOME SORT OF ACTIVITY WHEN WE'RE OUT AND ABOUT IN THE COMMUNITY.

AND SO THE MORE THAT WE'RE OUT IN THE COMMUNITY, I THINK WE ARE PROACTIVELY HANDLING PROBLEMS BEFORE RESIDENTS FEEL THAT THEY HAVE TO CALL US AND LET US KNOW ABOUT ISSUES.

ANOTHER POINT I WANT TO MAKE ABOUT LAW ENFORCEMENT IS, UM, EVEN THOUGH THERE ARE THOSE THAT SAY AB ONE OH NINE AND PROP 47 DOES NOT HAVE AN A POSITIVE IMPACT OR HAS NOT IMPACTED ADVERSELY COMMUNITIES WITH HOMELESSNESS, WE ARE ANECDOTALLY SEEN THAT THAT IS NOT THE CASE.

UH, WE KNOW THAT, UH, LAST YEAR, A MINIMUM OF 17 INDIVIDUALS THAT WERE RELEASED UNDER THE AB ONE OH NINE PROGRAM, WHICH ARE INDIVIDUALS RELEASE EARLY FROM, FROM INCARCERATION, UH, THROUGH A PROBATION PROGRAM.

UH, WE'RE HOMELESS AND WE KNOW THAT THAT NUMBER IS, IS HEAVILY UNDER-REPORTED.

WE KNOW THAT INDIVIDUALS USE COUNTY OFFICE BUILDINGS AND, UM, OTHER ADDRESSES AS ADDRESSES THAT DON'T EXIST.

AND SO WE THINK THAT NUMBER IS MUCH HIGHER.

PERSONALLY TO SOME OF MY OWN ANALYSIS, I THINK IS MORE LIKE 25 OR 25% OF THE INDIVIDUALS THAT, UM, ARE RELEASED UNDER AB ONE OH NINE ARE RELEASED AS HOMELESS INDIVIDUALS.

UH, LAST THING I WANT TO POINT OUT IS THE MARTIN VS THE CITY OF BOISE CASE HAS LIMITED OUR ABILITY TO ENFORCE, UH, SUCH AS CAMPING AND PUBLIC.

UH, HOWEVER, I DON'T THINK THE AVERAGE EL CAHONE RESIDENT CARES WHAT THE NINTH CIRCUIT COURT OF APPEALS OPINED.

I THINK THEY HAVE AN EXPECTATION THAT WE HANDLE IT SOME, SOME WAY OR ANOTHER.

AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO, WITHIN THE BOUNDS OF THE LAW MEET THAT EXPECTATION IS I TALK ABOUT OUR RECOMMENDATIONS FOR NEXT YEAR.

UM, THAT'S A BIG FACTOR INTO ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS I'LL BE MAKING.

SO LET'S TALK ABOUT NEXT YEAR 20, 20, UM, WE, WE CAME UP WITH SOME, SOME FACTORS THAT WE THOUGHT WERE IMPORTANT IN HOW WE ALLOCATE FUNDING FOR THE NEXT YEAR AND IN BEYOND.

ONE IS THIS INFUSION OF HEAP MONEY AND WITH GOVERNOR NEWSON'S PROPOSAL TO ADD ADDITIONAL HOUSE, UM, HOMELESS FUNDING.

WE THINK THAT THAT DOES PLAY A ROLE AND IF THERE'S SOME, SOME ABILITY TO AUGMENT WHAT WE'RE DOING ALREADY WITH SOMEONE ELSE'S

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MONEY, THE STATE'S MONEY.

FINALLY, I THINK THAT MAKES SENSE AND WE SHOULD TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION.

I THINK THE IMPACTS OF THE MARTIN VS CITY OF BOISE CASE ARE IMPORTANT THINGS FOR US TO THINK ABOUT, WHAT KIND OF PROGRAMS WE ALLOCATE FUNDING TO.

I THINK THAT THERE HAS BEEN SOME EVIDENCE THAT THERE'S A SLOWING DOWN OF ACTIVITY WITH HOUSING NAVIGATION AND THAT'S IN NO WAY, SHAPE OR FORM A SLIGHT ON, UH, THE CRISIS HOUSE AND ANYONE ELSE THAT'S DOING HOUSING NAVIGATION, I THINK THAT THERE'S MORE HOUSING NAVIGATION HAPPENING.

SO I THINK THAT HAS PROBABLY SLOWED DOWN OUR PROGRAM.

I THINK THAT WE'VE ALSO BEEN ABLE TO HELP MANY OF THOSE INDIVIDUALS THAT WERE READY TO MOVE INTO HOUSING.

AND SO OUR HOUSING NAVIGATORS HAVING TO DEAL WITH MORE DIFFICULT CLIENTS AND MORE DIFFICULT CASES AND A LOT MORE CASE MANAGEMENT TO DO THAT.

I DO KNOW THAT THE COUNTY OR THE REGION HAS SOME ADDITIONAL REPORTING THAT DOES SLOW DOWN THE WHOLE PROCESS CAUSE THERE'S MORE INTAKE INFORMATION THAT HAS TO BE GATHERED, BUT THERE IS A NOTICEABLE SLOW DOWN AND THE AMOUNT OF HOUSING NAVIGATION THAT'S HAPPENING.

SO MAYBE THERE'S SOME OPPORTUNITIES TO FOCUS ON OTHER THINGS.

AND, AND LASTLY, I THINK WHATEVER WE FUND, THE NOTION SHOULD BE THAT IT FUNDS LONGTERM POSITIVE IMPACTS GEARED TOWARD GETTING PEOPLE TOWARDS PERMANENT HOUSING AND UM, NOT TOWARDS ACCOMMODATING A HOMELESS LIFESTYLE IN THE CITY OF EL CAHONE.

SO WITH THAT, LET ME TALK ABOUT UM, SOME OF THE, THE, IF YOU TAKE ALL THE PROGRAMS IN YOUR, TO PUT THEM IN A SORT OF BUCKETS OR CATEGORIES.

WE CAME UP WITH THESE FIVE CATEGORIES, CLEAN STREETS AND NEIGHBORHOODS, UH, INCREASING THE SUPPLY OF TEMPORARY SHELTER, UH, LOOKING FOR OPPORTUNITIES FOR MORE POSITIVE OR PROACTIVE OUTREACH WITH OUR HOMELESS COMMUNITY, CONTINUING COLLABORATION ON A REGIONAL LEVEL.

AND THEN OF COURSE, OF COURSE THE ONGOING HOUSING, NAVIGATION AND ASSISTANCE.

SO BASED ON THOSE FACTORS AND THOSE SORT OF, THOSE BUCKET OF, OF PROGRAM IDEAS, STAFF'S COME UP WITH SIX RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE'RE PRESENTING FOR CITY COUNCIL CONSIDERATION AND SOME DIALOGUE AND SOME ULTIMATELY SOME DIRECTION AND FEEDBACK.

BUT FIRST AS WE THINK THAT IT WOULD BE IMPORTANT TO EXTEND THE CONTRACT OR THE AGREEMENT FOR, UM, CLEAN STREETS WITH THE EAST COUNTY TRANSITIONAL LIVING CENTER, I THINK THAT'S A HIGH PRIORITY IN STAFF'S MIND.

UM, I THINK THAT WE CONTINUE OUR CITY'S QUALITY OF LIFE TEAM.

UH, AGAIN, NO ADDITIONAL STAFF WOULD BE HIRED.

WE JUST CONTINUED TO DO SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE DONE.

WE MEET ON A REGULAR BASIS AND THINK WHAT'S WORKING, WHAT'S NOT WORKING.

SO WE'RE ALWAYS EXPLORING OPPORTUNITIES TO MAKE THAT TEAM BETTER AND MORE EFFECTIVE.

UM, BUT, BUT I, I WANT THEM TO KNOW THAT IF WE WERE TO CONTINUE THIS, HOW APPRECIATIVE I AM BECAUSE THEY DO A DIFFICULT JOB THAT NOBODY ELSE IN THIS ROOM WOULD LIKE TO DO BUT HAS TO BE DONE.

UM, THEY, I ALSO THINK THAT WE SHOULD PROBABLY BE FOCUSING ON THE EXPANSION OF TEMPORARY SHELTER INVENTORY.

I THINK RATHER THAN THE IDEA OF ONE LARGE SHELTER LIKE YOU SEE IN SAN DIEGO WHERE THERE'S SEVERAL HUNDRED PEOPLE UNDER ONE TENT OR WONDER UNDER ONE ROOF, I THINK WE HAVE SOME AMAZING PARTNERS THAT WE COULD FORM PARTNERSHIPS WITH ON, UH, AROUND THE COMMUNITY ON A SMALL TERM BASIS OR SHORT TERM BASIS, SMALL PROJECTS, MAYBE EVEN KIND OF PILOT PROGRAMS. BUT I THINK THERE'S SOME, SOME AMAZING INNOVATION AND INGENUITY THAT I THINK WE SHOULD TAKE ADVANTAGE OF.

UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE GET THERE, BUT IF COUNCIL THINKS THIS IS A PRIORITY, WE'LL COME BACK WITH A PLAN OF HOW TO GET THERE.

AND I THINK THERE'S SOME VALUE IN THAT.

WHILE I'M MAKING THAT RECOMMENDATION, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT I SORTA COUNTER MY, MY RECOMMENDATION WITH AN ARGUMENT AND THAT FRANKLY IS COUNSEL IS THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF TEMPORARY, AND THIS IS DATA FROM THE REGIONAL TASK FORCE ON THE HOMELESSNESS.

BUT IF YOU LOOK AT OUR TEMPORARY SHELTERS ON A PER CAPITA BASIS, AND I USE EVERY 10,000 INDIVIDUALS, WE HAVE TWO AND A HALF TO 2.5 TIMES THE AMOUNT OF SHELTERS THAN ANY OTHER CITY IN THE CITY, IN THE COUNTY OF SAN DIEGO.

UM, WE HAVE DONE OUR SHARE.

YOU'LL NOTICE THAT THERE ARE A COUPLE ABSENT, UH, NAMES FROM UP HERE.

THE CITY OF SANTEE, THE CITY OF LA MESA, THE CITY OF LEMON GROVE ARE NOT UP THERE IN THE COUNTY OF SAN DIEGO IS NOT UP THERE.

UM, THIS IS, UM, KIND OF GOING ON A PERSONAL OPINION HERE IF YOU CAN ALLOW, ALLOW ME THIS.

UM, THE COUNTY OF SAN DIEGO HAS TALKED ABOUT TEMPORARY SHELTERS.

THEY'VE ACTUALLY ALLOCATED MONEY FOR PROGRAMS FOR TEMPORARY SHELTERS, BUT HAVE YET TO BUILD TEMPORARY SHELTERS.

IN MY MIND, IF THE CITY OF EL CAHONE IS GOING TO FOCUS ON THIS, I THINK A MESSAGE THAT NEEDS TO BE SENT TO THE COUNTY OF SAN DIEGO, THAT THEY NEED TO STEP UP THEIR EFFORTS IN UNINCORPORATED AREAS THAT SURROUND

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OUR COMMUNITY, THAT IMPACT OUR COMMUNITY, LIKE THE AREAS OF LAKESIDE IN SPRING VALLEY AND BECOME A PARTNER WITH LEMON, LEMON GROVE, LA MESA AND SANTI TO HELP THEM ACCOMPLISH THE THINGS THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO DO.

I KNOW THAT THERE'S A LOT OF CRITICS OF THE CITY OF OKLAHOMA AND WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST.

UM, THOSE CRITICS SHOULD BE SILENT AND BASED ON THIS SLIDE ALONE, MOVING ON, I THINK THAT WE NEED TO, UM, INCREASE OUR OUTREACH AND I, I HONESTLY DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS, BUT I THINK THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES TO REACH PEOPLE AT THE RIGHT MOMENT.

AND, AND FRANKLY, IT'S NOT ALWAYS WITH AN INDIVIDUAL WEARING A POLICE UNIFORM.

AND FRANKLY, THAT'S PROBABLY NOT THE RIGHT PERSON TO MAKE THAT OUTREACH.

WE, WE INTERACT WITH THEM ON A NEGATIVE BASIS A LOT OF TIMES.

SO HAVING OTHER FOLKS TO HELP US.

UM, WE'D LIKE TO EXPLORE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.

ONE OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT IS PERHAPS WE PUT OUT A REQUEST FOR QUALIFICATIONS OR EVEN A QUEST FOR REQUEST FOR INTEREST TO SEE WHAT ENTITIES ARE WILLING TO DO AND TO HELP US COUNSEL MEMBER .

YEAH, I THINK THE L CONE TRANSITIONAL LIVING CENTER WOULD BE A GREAT, UH, PROVIDER OF THAT TYPE OF THING.

UH, WE COULD CONTRACT WITH THEM TO, UM, CAUSE THERE A LOT OF THEM CAME FROM THAT COMMUNITY AND THEY COULD MAYBE SUPPORT AND WORK ON A TASK FORCE TALKING TO THESE PEOPLE, THE OUTREACH, I MEAN, AND UH, GO OUT AND TALK TO THEM AND SEE IF THEY COULDN'T AND YOU KNOW, WE COULD HAVE A CONTRACT WITH THEM TO DO THAT.

AND ALSO THE CONTRACT THAT WE HAD WITH THEM THAT EXPIRED.

I DON'T SEE WHY THE CITY COULDN'T, UM, WITH THE VOTE OF THE CITY COUNCIL.

EXTEND THAT FOR THE NEXT SIX MONTHS BEFORE THE NEXT BUDGET IS .

LIKE TO SEE THAT HAPPEN.

AT A TIME WHEN THIS WAS UNHEARD OF, COMMUNITIES FROM LAKESIDE ACROSS THE FOUR CITIES TO SPRING VALLEY AND OUT TO ALPINE AND THE MOUNTAIN EMPIRE OR OPERATING IN SILOS, UNAWARE OF RESOURCES AND SERVICES AVAILABLE TO THEIR HOMELESS RESIDENTS.

I THINK THAT USING OR RELYING ON THE ECE TLC TO HELP WITH OUTREACH IS A GREAT IDEA.

I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE INTERESTED IN THAT.

AND THAT'S THE IDEA OF, OF DOING A REQUEST FOR, FOR INTEREST.

CAUSE THERE MAY BE A LOT OF ENTITIES WHERE WE'RE NOT JUST FOCUSED WITH ONE PARTNER.

WE HAVE SIX DIFFERENT PARTNERS THAT HELP US WITH THIS AND MAYBE EACH OF US HAS A DIFFERENT NICHE.

SO IT'S AN AREA THAT I THINK IS WORTH EXPLORING AND I THINK UM, THEM AS AN ALLY IN THIS AREA IS A VERY POSITIVE ONE.

UM, I THINK THAT WE NEED TO CONTINUE SUPPORT FOR OUR REGIONAL TASK FORCE AND OUR, OUR LOCAL EAST COUNTY TASK FORCE.

AND LASTLY, UM, HOUSING NAVIGATION ASSISTANCE SHOULD CONTINUE TO BE A PRIORITY.

HOWEVER, AS HEAT MONEY IS AUGMENTING OR ARE BACKFILLING SOME OF THE WORK THAT WE'VE DONE, THIS CERTAINLY ALLOWS US TO USE THOSE LIMITED FUNDS.

AND AS THE STAFF REPORT INDICATES IT'S ONLY ABOUT $250,000 OF FUNDING.

UM, TWO OTHER THINGS THAT THAT MAY AUGMENT WHAT WE NEED REGIONALLY.

I'LL POINT OUT THE, THE FUNDING SOURCE THAT WE'RE RELYING ON.

THIS LOW MOD HOUSING FUND IS LIMITED.

UM, AND EVERY DOLLAR WE TAKE OUT OF THAT, IT'S NOT BEING REPLENISHED WITH OTHER MONIES.

IT IS DEPLETING, UH, THIS FUND THAT WE HOPEFULLY, HOPEFULLY CAN USE TO BUILD, AFFORDING HOW AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECTS LIKE CORNERSTONE BY THE WAY, WHICH IS 100% FULL RIGHT NOW.

AND SO, UM, AND I'LL, I'LL GET THE COUNCIL SOME MORE INFORMATION ON THAT SHORTLY.

BUT, UM, SO WE DON'T HAVE MONEY TO DO EVERYTHING.

SO THERE ARE SOME, SOME DECISIONS THAT HAVE TO BE MADE AT SOME POINT, BUT GETTING SOME BASIC GUIDANCE AND FEEDBACK AND DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL BASED ON THESE RECOMMENDATIONS WILL HELP US PRESENT A SPENDING PLAN FOR THE CITY COUNCIL INTO 2020 IN 2021.

SO THAT CONCLUDES MY REPORT.

I APOLOGIZE FOR ITS LENGTH, BUT THERE'S A LOT THAT WE'VE COVERED IN A LOT OF SUCCESS THAT WE'VE HAD, BUT SOME BIG DECISIONS THAT ARE GONNA COME UP IN 2020 SO SEEKING A TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE OR HELPING TO FACILITATE A CONVERSATION WITH THE CITY COUNCIL.

SO WE'LL START WITH QUESTION THE STAFF FIRST.

THEY'LL GO TO, UM, PUBLIC COMMENTS.

ANY QUESTIONS? THANKS.

GRANT.

WAS VERY COMPREHENSIVE AND I THINK WE'VE GOT A LOT TO THINK ABOUT HIM LIKE YOU HEARD THE PUBLIC HAS TO SAY.

AND THEN WE'LL DISCUSS MORE.

ANGELA, ANY, UH, SPEAK KURTZ? I DO, SIR.

WE HAVE FOUR, FOUR CARDS.

THE FIRST ONE IS ON A MURRAY PICCONE SNYDER.

MY NAME IS ANNA MARIE AND WHEN I'M DONE WITH THIS JOB I'D LIKE TO BE THE MECHANIC FOR THE CITY.

IT'S 10.

CAN YOU RESTORE OLD CARS? I LOVE THAT.

UM, GOOD EVENING.

MAYOR WALES, UH, COUNCILMAN CITY MANAGER AND STAFF.

I AM THE COORDINATOR, THE EAST COUNTY HOMELESS TASK FORCE, WHICH IS SPONSORED BY THE EAST COUNTY CHAMBER OF COMMERCE.

THE CHAMBER WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE INITIATIVE OF CONVENING ALL SECTIONS, ALL SECTORS OF THE EAST COUNTY COMMUNITIES AROUND HOMELESSNESS

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IN 2016 WHEN THE TASK FORCE BEGAN MEETING, THE EAST COUNTY WAS CONSIDERED A SERVICE DESERT AND THERE WAS MUCH DESIRE TO DRAW MORE SERVICE PROVIDERS TO THE REGION AND EXPLORE SOLUTIONS THAT HAD WORKED IN OTHER AREAS THROUGH MEETINGS, EDUCATIONAL PRESENTATIONS AND STRATEGIZING.

WE HAVE DONE THIS AND MORE IN 2019 THE CITY OF ALCOHOL AND BEGAN ASSISTING THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE WITH FUNDING THE COORDINATION OF THIS TASK FORCE.

WE HOPE THAT OTHER CITIES WILL FOLLOW SUIT AND WE'RE VERY GRATEFUL FOR THE SUPPORT FOR THESE COORDINATION ACTIVITIES, SO THANK YOU FOR 2020 THE TASK FORCE HAS COME TOGETHER AROUND THE SINGLE GOAL OF INCREASING THE RANGE OF SHELTER AND HOUSING AVAILABLE TO THOSE WHO ARE HOMELESS.

FOR THIS REASON, WE DO SUPPORT THE CITY MANAGER'S RECOMMENDATION NUMBER THREE TO IDENTIFY PARTNERS THAT CAN EXPAND THE NUMBER OF TEMPORARY SHELTER SPACES.

WITH THE CAVEAT THAT THAT'S ONLY ONE STEP IN THE CONTINUUM THAT'S NECESSARY FOR SHELTER AND HOUSING FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE HOMELESS.

WE SPECIALLY SUPPORT THE IDEA OF A MOTEL CONVERSION.

BRAD MCCALLA, BRAD RUSSELL, WHO'S HERE FROM MCALESTER INSTITUTE, LIVES IN CHULA VISTA AND THEY'VE DONE A COUPLE OF MOTEL CONVERSIONS SUCCESSFULLY AND BRAD SAYS IT'S BEEN VERY HELPFUL FOR THE HOMELESS SITUATION DOWN THERE.

WE ALSO SUPPORT RECOMMENDATION NUMBER FIVE TO CONTINUE THE FUNDING OF RAPID REHOUSING.

IT'S A PERMANENT SOLUTION AND IT ALSO REPRESENTS ANOTHER SOLUTION IN THE CONTINUUM OF HOUSING NEEDS.

WHAT'S NOT REPRESENTED IS THE NEED FOR HOUSING OPTIONS FOR RESIDENTS IN THE EXTREMELY LOW INCOME LEVEL AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE EAST COUNTY COMMUNITIES THIS YEAR TO ADDRESS THIS.

LASTLY, OF COURSE, WE SUPPORT RECOMMENDATION NUMBER SIX FOR THE CITY OF OKLAHOMA TO CONTINUE TO LEAD THE WAY BY THEIR EXAMPLE OF FUNDING AND PARTICIPATION IN THE TASK FORCE.

I WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT I AM NOT SPEAKING ON MY OWN IN MY OWN VOICE.

I'M SPEAKING FOR THE WHOLE TASK FORCE.

MANY OF THE MEMBERS ARE HERE TODAY.

WOULD YOU MIND STANDING? AND MANY MORE ARE NOT HERE.

UM, AND THEY ARE VOLUNTEERS, ALL VOLUNTEERS, UH, AND VERY COMMENDABLE.

AND THERE ARE MANY BUSINESSES THAT SUPPORT THEIR STAFF, PEOPLE COMING TO THESE MEETINGS AND ASSISTING WITH SOLUTIONS AND STRATEGIES.

SO THANK YOU CITY MANAGER AND UH, THANK YOU.

COUNSELING.

ANY QUESTIONS? QUESTIONS? NO, THANK YOU.

AND THANK ALL OF YOU FOR THE HARD WORK YOU DO HERE.

IT'S VERY APPRECIATED.

JIM CITY, GHANA.

HEY, THANK YOU MAN.

THAT'S YOUR FULL STAFF AND THANK YOU MR. MITCHELL FOR YOUR REPORT.

THERE'S NEVER ENOUGH HOMELESS SITUATION.

UH, EVERYTHING IS FUNDING NO MATTER WHERE IT COMES FROM.

AND EVERY EFFORT SHOULD BE MADE TO GET AS MUCH FUNDING AS POSSIBLE.

I'VE SPOKEN TO YOU ABOUT MY OWN FEELINGS HERE, UH, LAST YEAR ABOUT THE HOMELESS SITUATION AND MY PERSONAL, UH, CONTACT WITH PEOPLE.

I THINK THE, UH, ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS IS THE PROACTIVE, UH, ACTION, DIRECT ACTION WITH THE, WITH THE HOMELESS PEOPLE.

I HAVE SOME OTHER SUGGESTIONS ABOUT IT, YOU KNOW, UH, AND IT'S, UH, I THINK THAT PROBABLY WORKS BEST FOR THE CITY FOR IMMEDIACY.

YOU KNOW, I'VE HEARD IDEAS OF PEOPLE, UH, HAVING THE CITY HAVE A VAN AND GOING OUT AND ACTUALLY PICKING THESE PEOPLE UP AND TAKING THEM TO PROVIDE SERVICES MULTIPLE TIMES ON A DAILY BASIS.

AND AS YOU KNOW, BAYER, UH, A LOT OF THESE PROBLEMS BE THEY DRUGS OR A LOT OF IT'S MENTAL PROBLEMS ALSO.

UH, BUT THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO REALLY SAY ABOUT IT RIGHT NOW.

BUT, UH, IT'S, IT'S AN ONGOING PROBLEM.

IT'S GOING TO BE HERE FOR A WHILE AT ALL LEVELS OF GOVERNMENT AS YOU KNOW.

AND, UH, BUT I REALLY BELIEVE THAT THAT DIRECT INTERACTION WITH THE, UH, WITH THE HOMELESS PEOPLE IS THE FIRST BIG STEP.

AND, UH, TO GET THEIR, EVEN THEIR CONFIDENCE TWO OR THREE TIMES, YOU HAVE TO GO BACK SOMETIMES TO GET PEOPLE FOR VARIOUS REASONS THAT THEY WON'T ACCEPT ASSISTANCE.

AND, UH, I WAS, YOU WERE KIND ENOUGH TO LET ME SPEAK A MULTIPLE THREE MINUTES, UH, SECTIONS ONE TIME.

AND I DID SPEAK UP ABOUT MY OWN PERSONAL EXPERIENCE AS A BUSINESS OWNER.

SO, BUT I THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND THANK YOU AGAIN MS. MITCHELL.

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THAT'S TRUE.

MARY CASE.

HI, GOOD AFTERNOON.

I'M MARY CASE, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR WITH CRISIS HOUSE.

UM, I JUST WANT TO SAY I'M GLAD TO SEE, UM, THESE UH, RECOMMENDATIONS COME OUT.

I THINK, UM, ASKING FOR RFQ WITH DATES AND SOME COMMITMENTS WITH THEM.

I THINK THIS IS NEEDED TO FIND OUT WHO, WHAT, WHO MIGHT DO SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T EVEN KNOW ABOUT.

AND SO THAT WILL, THAT WILL BRING THAT OUT.

UM, IT, UH, IT CONCERNS ME A LITTLE, UM, UH, THE GOAL, THE NUMBER ONE GOAL IS TO GET PERMISSIVE PERMANENT PEOPLE PERMANENTLY HOUSED AND YET IT IS BEING THREATENED TO LOWER PRIORITY FOR FUNDING.

UM, THAT IS THE PROJECT THAT WE'RE DOING WITH ALCOHOL AND HOUSING CONNECTIONS IN THE CITY OF EL CAHONE.

UM, I THINK THAT, UM, THE SLOWDOWN THAT WAS MENTIONED, THERE'S A NATURAL, AS YOU SAW FROM THOSE GRAPHS, EBBS AND FLOWS, HIGHS AND LOWS, JUST LIKE THE POLICE CALLS JUST LIKE THIS.

YOU'VE GOT TO KEEP TALKING TO PEOPLE, KEEP ENCOURAGING PEOPLE TO ACCESS SERVICES.

AND IT TAKES TIME.

THERE WAS SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAT'S OCCURRING IN THIS LAST YEAR HAS BEEN THE ADVENT OF A NEW HOMELESS MANAGEMENT INFORMATION SYSTEM CALL.

AND IT'S THE COORDINATED ENTRY SYSTEM.

AND WE WEREN'T HAVING TO USE THAT SO MUCH IN OUR FIRST YEAR OF OPERATION BECAUSE THEY WERE IN THE PROCESS OF A CHANGE.

SO NOW THAT IS AFFECTING SOME EBB AND FLOW IN TERMS OF WHO WE HAVE IN THE QUEUE, WE NEED TO, THEY PRIORITIZE THAT, NOT US ANYMORE.

AND SO, UM, UH, SO ANYBODY THAT COMES UP AS A RESIDENT OF ALCOHOL AND THAT'S HOMELESS WOULD COME TO US, BUT THAT TAKES, THERE'S SOME DELAY IN THAT TIME FRAME.

SO I WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT AND I ALSO WANTED TO MENTION THAT THE HEAT FUNDS THAT ARE MENTIONED ARE TIME LIMITED.

I KNOW IT SAID IT IN THE REPORT, BUT I JUST WANT TO REINFORCE THAT A LITTLE BIT.

UM, WE WERE HAPPY THOUGH TO BE ABLE TO, SO FOR INSTANCE, IF THE MONEY THAT WE HAVE A BUDGET FOR THE ONE YEAR FOR 300,000, IF WE SPEND IT ALL, THAT'S IT.

IF WE DON'T, WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO POSSIBLY KEEP THOSE FUNDS IN YEAR TWO.

IT'S NOT GUARANTEED.

SO IF SOMEBODY ELSE IN NORTH COUNTY IS USING THOSE FUNDS AT A HIGHER LEVEL, FOR INSTANCE, FUNDS COULD GET DIVERTED IF THERE'S A MONEY LEFT ON THE TABLE AFTER THE FIRST YEAR.

WE DON'T KNOW HOW THAT'S GOING TO GO.

UM, SO I JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT CAUSE THAT CAN'T BE THE UM, UH, THE ONLY UM, THING THAT WE LOOK AT IN THE 640 K AND CLEANUP MAYBE DOING MORE HOUSING WOULD, WOULD IMPACT THAT.

SO I'M, I APPLAUD THAT WE'RE DOING MORE HOUSING.

I'M JUST VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE COMMENTS MADE IN RECOMMENDATION NUMBER FIVE WHEN IT'S THE NUMBER ONE GOAL TO GET PEOPLE PERMANENTLY HOUSED.

AND ALSO THERE'S 255,000 DEDICATED TO RAPID REHOUSING WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE DOING.

IT FOR 39 YEARS AT FATHER JOE'S.

THANKS FOR MARY CAROL PRIMARY AT ONE TIME YOU HAVE A POSITION CALLED A HOUSING LOCATOR IN ADDITION TO OUR HOUSING NAVIGATOR.

DO YOU STILL HAVE THAT POSITION? WE DO, ALTHOUGH IT PRIMARILY TARGETS DOMESTIC VIOLENCE.

THAT'S WHO THE FUNDING SOURCES FOR, BUT SHE IS LOOKING FOR HOUSING FOR THOSE POPULATIONS.

SHE GIVES US A LOT OF LEADS FOR, FOR OTHER HOUSING NEEDS.

CAN I JUST SAY SQUEEZE ONE THING IN ABOUT A RECOMMENDATION NUMBER.

UM, UH, THREE WE NEED TO LOOK AT HOW MANY OF THOSE BEDS ARE BEING USED.

IF WE HAVE THAT MANY BEDS, WHY ARE THERE STILL PEOPLE ON THE STREET? IT'S CLOSE TO THE NUMBER OF UNSHELTERED.

SO ARE THE BEDS GOING UNUSED? AND IF THEY ARE, IS THAT ABOUT RULES? SO IN, IF WE ADD MORE BEDS LOOKING FOR AN RFQ, PLEASE KEEP THAT IN MIND BECAUSE IT MAY NOT IMPACT WHO'S ON THE STREET AT ALL.

IF, IF WE AREN'T FLEXIBLE ABOUT ABOUT WHO WE LET IN AND UH, TAKE HIGHER RISK, TAKE SUBSTANCE ABUSERS THAT, THAT IF AS LONG AS THEIR BEHAVIOR IS OKAY, WE'LL KEEP THEM IN AND WE'LL KEEP ENCOURAGING TREATMENT.

I'LL TELL YA, RABIDLY OUT THERE EVERY DAY TALKING TO PEOPLE ABOUT TREATMENTS.

SO I'M JUST SAYING THAT WE HAVE TO KEEP THAT IN MIND IF WE REALLY WANT TO IMPACT ON THE STREET.

JUST THAT'S FAIRLY CONTROVERSIAL ISN'T IT? IT'S FAIRLY CONTROVERSIAL, ISN'T IT? THE IDEA OF HOUSING PUPIL THAT WON'T STOP USING DRUGS AND ALCOHOL, DOESN'T THAT PUT US IN A POSITION WHERE WE'RE ENCOURAGING THAT KIND OF BEHAVIOR? YEAH, I DON'T BELIEVE SO.

I DO

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SO, UM, IT'S, IT'S A WAY TO BRING PEOPLE IN AND THEN TRY AND ADDRESS THE NEXT STEP.

YOU CAN JUST DO A BROOCH HOUSING.

I WOULD SAY THAT THERE'S PEOPLE THAT WE WOULD ENROLL IN THAT PROGRAM THAT FOR L COHEN HOUSING CONNECTIONS, IF THEY WERE IN BRIDGE HOUSING, WE COULD HOUSE THEM FASTER.

IT'S SORT OF A NICE FUNNEL.

SO I JUST WANT TO MENTION THAT BUT, BUT REMEMBER WE'LL HAVE THE HOUSING FIRST INITIATIVE AND, AND THAT, THAT DOES NOT REQUIRE A SURVIVOR TO GO INTO PERMANENT HOUSING OR TEMPORARY.

ALRIGHT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

OUR LAST SPEAKER IS AMANDA MCINNIS.

HI AMANDA.

OH, OKAY.

GOOD EVENING COUNCIL.

AS AN EL CAHONE RESIDENT AND AS A VOLUNTEER FOR THE EAST COUNTY HOMELESS TASK FORCE, I AM ENCOURAGED TO SEE ALCOHOL AND REFOCUS THEIR EFFORTS TO BRING MORE SHELTER AND HOUSING OPTIONS IN THE CITY.

OFTEN WHEN I SPEAK WITH SERVICE PROVIDERS, THE NUMBER ONE ISSUE THAT THEY'RE DEALING WITH IS A LACK OF HOUSING OPTIONS FOR THEIR CLIENTS.

THAT IS WHY THE TASK FORCE HAS MADE SHELTER AND HOUSING OUR MAIN PRIORITY FOR 2020 AND WE HOPE THAT ALCOHOL CAN BECOME A LEADER IN THE EAST COUNTY TOWARDS THIS GOAL AS WELL.

I ENCOURAGE THE CITY TO STRENGTHEN THEIR PARTNERSHIP WITH THE TASK FORCE AND UTILIZE THE EXPERTISE AND EXPERIENCE THAT OUR MEMBERS CAN SHARE.

WE ARE A DIVERSE GROUP MADE UP OF OVER 400 RESIDENTS, COMMUNITY PARTNERS, CHURCHES, BUSINESSES, LAW ENFORCEMENT, SERVICE PROVIDERS, GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES AS WELL AS CURRENT AND FORMER HOMELESS.

IN 2019 ALONE WE HELD OVER 115 MEETINGS WORKING ON A RANGE OF ISSUES SUCH AS YOUTH AND VETERAN HOMELESSNESS, ACCESS TO SERVICES AND OF COURSE SHELTER AND HEALTH AND HOUSING.

MANY OF THE MEMBERS ARE HERE TODAY TO SHOW THEIR SUPPORT, TO BRING MORE SHELTER IN HOUSING OPTIONS TO ALCOHOL.

ONE OF THE MANY BENEFITS OF PARTNERING WITH THE COMMUNITY BASED GROUP, LIKE THE TASK FORCE IS HAVING ACCESS TO THE COLLECTIVE KNOWLEDGE OF SUCH A DIVERSE GROUP WHO HAVE EXPERIENCE WITH THE TOPIC FROM A WIDE RANGE OF PERSPECTIVES AND WE HAVE ALL COME TO THE SAME CONCLUSION THAT WE NEED MORE SHELTER AND HOUSING OPTIONS IN THE EAST COUNTY AS AN EXAMPLE OF HOW THE TASK FORCE CAN HELP SUPPORT THIS GOAL.

THE TASK FORCE DEVELOPED THE SHELL A SHELTER AND HOUSING REPORT WHICH IDENTIFIED SEVERAL INTERIM AND LONGTERM HOUSING SOLUTIONS THAT CITIES, NONPROFITS AND FAITH BASED GROUPS CAN IMPLEMENT, DEVELOPED OVER AN 18 MONTH PERIOD.

THE REPORT INCORPORATES FEEDBACK FROM COMMUNITY LEADERS, GOVERNMENT REPRESENTATIVES AND SERVICE PROVIDERS FROM THROUGHOUT EAST COUNTY.

AS ALCOA CONTINUES TO DEVELOP THEIR SHELTER AND HOUSING PLAN, I ENCOURAGE THE CITY TO UTILIZE THE SHELTER AND HOUSING REPORT AS A RESOURCE AS WELL AS REACH OUT TO THE TASK FORCE AND USE OUR EXPERTISE.

OH, UH, THE CITY SHOULD ALREADY HAVE THE REPORT ON FILE, BUT I WILL LEAVE A HARD COPY IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO REVIEW IT.

I'D ALSO LIKE TO INVITE THE COUNCIL TO ATTEND OUR QUARTERLY GENERAL MEETINGS.

COUNCILMAN ORTIZ.

UH, THANK YOU FOR ATTENDING PREVIOUS, UM, GENERAL MEETING, THE HOPE YOU FOUND THEM VALUABLE.

THE NEXT GENERAL MEETING WILL TAKE PLACE ON JANUARY 29TH AND WE WILL HAVE REPRESENTATIVES FROM BOTH THE CITY OF EL CAHONE AND LA MESA TO SPEAK ABOUT THEIR CURRENT HOMELESS PLANTS.

WE HOPE YOU CAN JOIN US AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

NO MORE SPEAKERS, SIR, OR COUNCIL OF FOR THE DISCRETION.

I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN OR NOT, BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT PICK UP BY THE L CODE TRANSITIONAL LIVING CENTER WHERE THEY COLLECT ALL THOSE PICKUP LOADS.

I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN DO IT AT THIS MEETING OR WHETHER IT HAS TO BE A ME.

I THINK THAT WAS ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS, RIGHT? YEAH.

SO WE ARE PRESENTING A LOT OF BROAD IDEAS.

IF, IF WE GET SOME CONCEPTS BACK, WE'LL START IMPLEMENTING SOME OF THOSE THINGS.

SO IF ONE OF THOSE IS TO, TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A CONTRACT, IT'S IN MY AUTHORITY TO DO THAT AGAIN.

BUT, UM, WELL, BECAUSE IT'S NOW MORE THAN MY AUTHORITY.

WELL, I MEAN I HAVE TO BRING THAT BACK, BUT I'D LIKE TO DO IT, BRING IT BACK AS FAST AS POSSIBLY IF I HAVE TO BRING IT BACK.

OTHERWISE WOULD JUST DO IT ON MY OWN.

IF COUNCIL GAVE ME AUTHORITY TO DO THAT.

FIRST OFF, IS ANYBODY OPPOSED TO THE CONCEPT? NO.

CAN WE GIVE YOU AUTHORITY TO, UH, PAY FOR ENOUGH TO GET TO GET STARTED WITHOUT HAVING THE WEIGHT TO COME BACK AGAIN? I DON'T KNOW.

WE'LL HAVE TO EXPLORE THAT WITH, UM, FINANCE PURCHASING THE CITY ATTORNEY.

BUT I UNDERSTAND YOUR INTENT.

TOTALLY.

UNDER YOUR AUTHORITY AND THEN WHERE YOU GET BACK FOR COUNCIL TO EXTEND SOME AUTHORITY STILL LEFT UNDER THE, THE MY PURCHASING POWER AND THEN WE COULD BRING THE REST BACK.

MAYBE YOU COULD DO THREE MONTHS

[02:05:01]

SO YOU HAD A CHANCE TO HEAR ABOUT ALL THE DIFFERENT PROGRAMS THAT WE'RE INVOLVED IN.

UM, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY DESIRE TO CHANGE THAT DIRECTION OR DO YOU WANT TO ENCOURAGE THE STAFF TO CONTINUE ALONG THAT SAME DIRECTION? I LIKE WHAT STAFF IS DOING.

I THINK IT'S REALLY GOOD.

UH, ESPECIALLY, UH, CONTENT CONTRACTING OUT WITH ECE, TLC, WE'RE ACTUALLY SAVING GENERAL FUND MONEY.

THE $90,000 A YEAR.

THAT'S, THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY.

SO YOU KNOW THAT WE'RE SAVING AND UH, AND IT HELPS ORGANIZATION.

IT'S ACTUALLY OUT THERE HELPING THE HOMELESS.

SO IT'S A DOUBLE WIN.

AND I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE TO ALSO TAKE THIS MOMENT TO THANK ALL THE PEOPLE ON EAST COUNTY HOMELESS TASK FORCE FOR YOU CARE SO MUCH ABOUT THE PEOPLE IN THIS COMMUNITY AND THIS COMMUNITY THAT YOU'RE SPENDING YOUR VALUABLE TIME GOING TO MEETINGS AND HELPING COME UP WITH A SOLUTION.

AND THAT JUST INCREDIBLE.

THERE ARE NOT A LOT OF PLACES WHERE PEOPLE DO THAT.

SO THIS IS PRETTY UNIQUE.

SO THANK YOU SO MUCH.

UM, I HAVE SOME SUGGESTED, BUT BEFORE I SAY THAT IS, UH, THE COUNCIL HAVE ANY NEW SUGGESTIONS THEY'D LIKE TO GIVE US THE CITY STAFF I UH, WORKED WITH PASTOR ROLAND SLADE AT MERIDIAN BAPTIST AND WAS, UH, FOLLOWING THE AMICUS HOUSING INITIATIVE THAT HE STARTED.

IT WAS $4,000 FOR THAT HUNDRED SQUARE FOOT, 120 SQUARE FOOT, UH, MINI HOUSE.

I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA FOR A SHORT TERM SHELTER.

HE WANTED TO DO ABOUT SIX OF THOSE ON HIS PROPERTY.

HIS INTENT, UH, IS TO HAVE OUTSIDE SERVICES COME IN AND HELP PEOPLE AT THE SHELTER THERE, UH, SO THAT THEY CAN BE ADDRESSED RIGHT THERE IN THAT SPOT.

I THINK THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE WHO ARE HOMELESS WHO DON'T WANT TO BE IN A LARGE GROUP SETTING AND IF YOU HAVE A SETTING OF PERHAPS SIX ON A PROPERTY, THAT MAY BE A HOLE THAT WE HAVEN'T PLUGGED YET AND AT $40,000 A COST FOR SIX OF THESE 25,000.

I THINK THAT'S AN EXCEPTIONAL USE OF CDBG MONEY OR LOW MODERATE INCOME HOUSING.

IF WE HAVE THAT COMMITMENT TO ON THE PROGRAM SIDE TO COME SERVE THOSE PEOPLE, I THINK THAT'S A GREAT WAY TO PROVE A CONCEPT TO OTHER JURISDICTIONS JUST AS WE HAVE PROVED THE CONCEPT HERE IN THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS.

ANYBODY ELSE KNOW? I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT I AGREE WITH STEVE.

I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA.

ONE SIZE DOESN'T FIT ALL AND I THINK THERE'S SOMEONE, A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT THAT WOULD BE RELUCTANT TO GO INTO A LARGE GROUP SETTING AND MAYBE THEY'D BE MORE COMFORTABLE WITH, THERE WERE SIX LITTLE TINY HOUSES THERE FOR THEM TO SLEEP.

RIGHT? YEAH.

I THINK THE KEY IS THE DETAILED SECURITY, UH, HYGIENE OF, UH, SUPERVISION.

UH, BUT I'M READY TO VOTE YES FOR SOMEBODY WHO'S WILLING TO STEP UP AND SAY, PUT SIX OF THOSE ON OUR PROPERTY.

I THINK THIS COUNCIL'S READY TO SAY THAT'S, THAT'S A BARGAIN.

SO IF PASTOR ROLAND IS DELAYED FOR, I DON'T KNOW WHAT REASON, LET'S FIND SOMEBODY WHO'S READY TO DO IT.

THIS COUNCIL I THINK IS READY TO DO THAT.

AND THEN THE LAST THING IS I'D LIKE TO GET SOME KIND OF A, UH, A REPORT ON WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH PERT.

UM, MY THOUGHTS WERE, UM, I LIKED THE DIRECTION YOU'RE GOING IN.

I THINK WE SHOULD CONTINUE DOING ALL THAT.

I'D LIKE TO DO A COUPLE OTHER THINGS.

ONE IS I THINK WE NEED TO SET UP A MEETING WITH REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE OTHER CITIES AND THE, AND THE COUNTY TO FIND OUT WHY THEY HAVE NOT BEEN WILLING TO DO WHAT THEY SAID THEY WERE GOING TO DO AS FAR AS THEIR INVOLVEMENT.

AND, UH, I THINK WE COULD ENCOURAGE THEM TO BE MORE INVOLVED.

MMM.

THERE'S A REPORT OUT OF CHICAGO RIGHT NOW ABOUT A NEW CONCEPT OF EMERGENCY FUNDING FOR NOT PEOPLE THAT ARE YOUR TYPICAL HOMELESS FOLKS THAT ARE OFTENTIMES HAVE MENTAL ILLNESS AND SUBSTANCE ABUSE PROBLEMS. UM, WE, WE OFTENTIMES HEAR, HEAR ABOUT PEOPLE THAT ARE DOWN ON THEIR LUCK OR THEY'VE LOST THEIR JOB AND .

AND EVEN THOUGH I DON'T THINK THAT'S A LARGE PERCENTAGE OF THE HOMELESS POPULATION, WHAT CHICAGO HAS DONE IS THEY SET UP A FUND TO GIVE PEOPLE A ONE TIME INFUSION OF SOME CAPITAL TO HELP THEM PREVENT EVICTION.

AND, UH, IT'S BEEN, UM, THEY'RE AT LEAST REPORTING THAT HAS BEEN EXTREMELY SUCCESSFUL IN KEEPING FAMILIES FROM GOING THROUGH THAT PROCESS OF ANY UP ON THE STREET.

AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT FUNDING WOULD COME FROM, BUT, UM, I HAVE FAITH IN YOU TO FIND IT.

AND, UH,

[02:10:01]

THAT'S THE PSYCHIATRIC EMERGENCY RESPONSE TEAM AND THE HOMELESS OUTREACH TEAM.

I FIND OUT HOW THEY'RE, HOW MUCH THEY'RE BEING INVOLVED IN EL CAHONE, WHAT'S THEIR AVAILABILITY, UM, WHAT'S THE NECESSITY FOR MORE INVOLVEMENT AND JUST GET IT, GET AN OVERALL A DIRECTION OF HOW THOSE UH, SERVICES ARE HELPING US.

OTHER THAN THAT, I THINK, YOU KNOW, WELL DONE.

CONTINUE THE COURSE AND UH, WE'LL WAIT TO HEAR BACK FROM YOU.

WHAT, WHEN WOULD YOU COME BACK AND TELL US WHAT'S HAPPENING? WELL, ON THE, ON THE PERT MEMO WE CAN JUST PROVIDE A MEMO TO THE COUNCIL, GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON THAT.

IT'S EASY TO DO.

UM, W WE'LL TAKE THE FEEDBACK THAT WE HEARD TONIGHT AND THESE PLANS AND START PROBABLY THE NEXT MEETING OR TWO, BRINGING FORWARD SOME PROPOSALS FOR RELEASING OF REQUESTS FOR QUALIFICATIONS OR INTERESTS AND STARTS ON FUNDING PLANS.

DO YOU NEED A VOTE ON THIS OR A AS DIRECTION ENOUGH? I'LL LOOK TO LEGAL COUNSEL, BUT I'M OKAY WITH WHAT I HEARD TONIGHT.

I THINK IT'S CLEAR TO ME OF WHERE TO, WHERE STAFF, WHERE YOU WANT STAFF TO GO.

I THINK HE WAS THE SAME MANAGERS LOOKING FOR DIRECTION.

IT'S BEEN GIVEN TO HIM.

SO WITHOUT, WITHOUT A MOTION IS FINE.

UM, THAT TESSA, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THEN WE WILL MOVE ON TO BILL.

CAN I ADD ONE MORE THOUGHT TO THAT, TO GARY'S COMMENTS? YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, IN A WAY, IT'S KIND OF EASY FOR US TO SIT UP HERE AND PUSH A BUTTON AND FUND IT.

THAT IT DOESN'T TAKE A WHOLE LOT OF WORK.

THE FACT THAT YOU ALL WAKE UP EVERY MORNING SAYING, WHAT AM I GOING TO DO TO HELP HOMELESS PEOPLE? THAT'S, THAT'S WHO DOES ALL THE WORK.

SO GREAT JOB.

IT'S, IT'S, IT'S EASY TO PUSH A BUTTON.

THE HARD WORK IS DONE BY YOU ALL LIFTING A HEAVY LOAD.

SO GREAT JOB.

MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER 14 ITEM 14 IS REPORT ON SEWER BILLING SERVICES AND I'LL ASK STAFF TO TELL US ABOUT THIS.

HEY STEVE.

GOOD, GOOD TO REMIND US OF THAT.

OKAY, I'M

[14. Report on Sewer Billing Transition Effort Report on Sewer Billing Transition Effort Report on Sewer Billing Transition Effort RECOMMENDATION: That the City Council: Receives a report on activities related to maintaining sewer billing services through June 30, 2020; Adopts the next Resolution, in order, to ratify agreements for sewer billing services with Advanced Utility Solutions in the amount of $220,000 for software, payments, and billing support with Infosend in the amount of $100,000 for bill printing and mailing; and Provides direction to staff for a long-term solution for sewer billing services. That the City Council receives report, and adopts the next Resolution, in order, to ratify agreements for sewer billing services as follows: Advanced Utility Solutions in the amount of $160,000 for software, payments, and billing support. Infosend in the amount of $160,000 for bill printing and mailing. That the City Council receives report, and adopts the next Resolution, in order, to ratify agreements for sewer billing services as follows: Advanced Utility Solutions in the amount of $160,000 for software, payments, and billing support. Infosend in the amount of $160,000 for bill printing and mailing. NV5 in the amount of $70,000 for customer service and support. That the City Council receives report, and adopts the next Resolution, in order, to ratify agreements for sewer billing services as follows: Advanced Utility Solutions in the amount of $160,000 for software, payments, and billing support. Infosend in the amount of $160,000 for bill printing and mailing. That the City Council receives report, and adopts the next Resolution, in order, to ratify agreements for sewer billing services as follows: Advanced Utility Solutions in the amount of $160,000 for software, payments, and billing support. Infosend in the amount of $160,000 for bill printing and mailing. That the City Council receives report, and adopts the next Resolution, in order, to ratify agreements for sewer billing services as follows: Advanced Utility Solutions in the amount of $160,000 for software, payments, and billing support. Infosend in the amount of $160,000 for bill printing and mailing. That the City Council receives report, and adopts the next Resolution, in order, to ratify agreements for sewer billing services as follows: Advanced Utility Solutions in the amount of $160,000 for software, payments, and billing support. Infosend in the amount of $160,000 for bill printing and mailing. NV5 in the amount of $70,000 for customer service and support. That the City Council receives report, and adopts the next Resolution, in order, to ratify agreements for sewer billing services as follows: Advanced Utility Solutions in the amount of $160,000 for software, payments, and billing support. Infosend in the amount of $160,000 for bill printing and mailing. That the City Council receives report, and adopts the next Resolution, in order, to ratify agreements for sewer billing services as follows: Advanced Utility Solutions in the amount of $160,000 for software, payments, and billing support. Infosend in the amount of $160,000 for bill printing and mailing. That the City Council receives report, and adopts the next Resolution, in order, to ratify agreements for sewer billing services as follows: Advanced Utility Solutions in the amount of $160,000 for software, payments, and billing support. Infosend in the amount of $160,000 for bill printing and mailing. That the City Council receives report, and adopts the next Resolution, in order, to ratify agreements for sewer billing services as follows: Advanced Utility Solutions in the amount of $160,000 for software, payments, and billing support. Infosend in the amount of $160,000 for bill printing and mailing. NV5 in the amount of $70,000 for customer service and support. That the City Council receives report, and adopts the next Resolution, in order, to ratify agreements for sewer billing services as follows: Advanced Utility Solutions in the amount of $160,000 for software, payments, and billing support. Infosend in the amount of $160,000 for bill printing and mailing. That the City Council receives report, and adopts the next Resolution, in order, to ratify agreements for sewer billing services as follows: Advanced Utility Solutions in the amount of $160,000 for software, payments, and billing support. Infosend in the amount of $160,000 for bill printing and mailing. That the City Council receives report, and adopts the next Resolution, in order, to ratify agreements for sewer billing services as follows: Advanced Utility Solutions in the amount of $160,000 for software, payments, and billing support. Infosend in the amount of $160,000 for bill printing and mailing. NV5 in the amount of $70,000 for customer service and support. That the City Council receives report, and adopts the next Resolution, in order, to ratify agreements for sewer billing services as follows: Advanced Utility Solutions in the amount of $160,000 for software, payments, and billing support. Infosend in the amount of $160,000 for bill printing and mailing. That the City Council receives report, and adopts the next Resolution, in order, to ratify agreements for sewer billing services as follows: Advanced Utility Solutions in the amount of $160,000 for software, payments, and billing support. Infosend in the amount of $160,000 for bill printing and mailing. That the City Council receives report, and adopts the next Resolution, in order, to ratify agreements for sewer billing services as follows: Advanced Utility Solutions in the amount of $160,000 for software, payments, and billing support. Infosend in the amount of $160,000 for bill printing and mailing. That the City Council receives report, and adopts the next Resolution, in order, to ratify agreements for sewer billing services as follows: Advanced Utility Solutions in the amount of $160,000 for software, payments, and billing support. Infosend in the amount of $160,000 for bill printing and mailing. NV5 in the amount of $70,000 for customer service and support. That the City Council receives report, and adopts the next Resolution, in order, to ratify agreements for sewer billing services as follows: Advanced Utility Solutions in the amount of $160,000 for software, payments, and billing support. Infosend in the amount of $160,000 for bill printing and mailing. That the City Council receives report, and adopts the next Resolution, in order, to ratify agreements for sewer billing services as follows: Advanced Utility Solutions in the amount of $160,000 for software, payments, and billing support. Infosend in the amount of $160,000 for bill printing and mailing. That the City Council receives report, and adopts the next Resolution, in order, to ratify agreements for sewer billing services as follows: Advanced Utility Solutions in the amount of $160,000 for software, payments, and billing support. Infosend in the amount of $160,000 for bill printing and mailing. That the City Council receives report, and adopts the next Resolution, in order, to ratify agreements for sewer billing services as follows: Advanced Utility Solutions in the amount of $160,000 for software, payments, and billing support. Infosend in the amount of $160,000 for bill printing and mailing. NV5 in the amount of $70,000 for customer service and support. That the City Council receives report, and adopts the next Resolution, in order, to ratify agreements for sewer billing services as follows: Advanced Utility Solutions in the amount of $160,000 for software, payments, and billing support. Infosend in the amount of $160,000 for bill printing and mailing. That the City Council receives report, and adopts the next Resolution, in order, to ratify agreements for sewer billing services as follows: Advanced Utility Solutions in the amount of $160,000 for software, payments, and billing support. Infosend in the amount of $160,000 for bill printing and mailing. That the City Council receives report, and adopts the next Resolution, in order, to ratify agreements for sewer billing services as follows: Advanced Utility Solutions in the amount of $160,000 for software, payments, and billing support. Infosend in the amount of $160,000 for bill printing and mailing. That the City Council receives report, and adopts the next Resolution, in order, to ratify agreements for sewer billing services as follows: Advanced Utility Solutions in the amount of $160,000 for software, payments, and billing support. Infosend in the amount of $160,000 for bill printing and mailing. NV5 in the amount of $70,000 for customer service and support. That the City Council receives report, and adopts the next Resolution, in order, to ratify agreements for sewer billing services as follows: Advanced Utility Solutions in the amount of $160,000 for software, payments, and billing support. Infosend in the amount of $160,000 for bill printing and mailing. That the City Council receives report, and adopts the next Resolution, in order, to ratify agreements for sewer billing services as follows: Advanced Utility Solutions in the amount of $160,000 for software, payments, and billing support. Infosend in the amount of $160,000 for bill printing and mailing. That the City Council receives report, and adopts the next Resolution, in order, to ratify agreements for sewer billing services as follows: Advanced Utility Solutions in the amount of $160,000 for software, payments, and billing support. Infosend in the amount of $160,000 for bill printing and mailing. That the City Council receives report, and adopts the next Resolution, in order, to ratify agreements for sewer billing services as follows: Advanced Utility Solutions in the amount of $160,000 for software, payments, and billing support. Infosend in the amount of $160,000 for bill printing and mailing. NV5 in the amount of $70,000 for customer service and support. That the City Council receives report, and adopts the next Resolution, in order, to ratify agreements for sewer billing services as follows: Advanced Utility Solutions in the amount of $160,000 for software, payments, and billing support. Infosend in the amount of $160,000 for bill printing and mailing. That the City Council receives report, and adopts the next Resolution, in order, to ratify agreements for sewer billing services as follows: Advanced Utility Solutions in the amount of $160,000 for software, payments, and billing support. Infosend in the amount of $160,000 for bill printing and mailing. That the City Council receives report, and adopts the next Resolution, in order, to ratify agreements for sewer billing services as follows: Advanced Utility Solutions in the amount of $160,000 for software, payments, and billing support. Infosend in the amount of $160,000 for bill printing and mailing. That the City Council receives report, and adopts the next Resolution, in order, to ratify agreements for sewer billing services as follows: Advanced Utility Solutions in the amount of $160,000 for software, payments, and billing support. Infosend in the amount of $160,000 for bill printing and mailing. NV5 in the amount of $70,000 for customer service and support. That the City Council receives report, and adopts the next Resolution, in order, to ratify agreements for sewer billing services as follows: Advanced Utility Solutions in the amount of $160,000 for software, payments, and billing support. Infosend in the amount of $160,000 for bill printing and mailing. That the City Council receives report, and adopts the next Resolution, in order, to ratify agreements for sewer billing services as follows: Advanced Utility Solutions in the amount of $160,000 for software, payments, and billing support. Infosend in the amount of $160,000 for bill printing and mailing. That the City Council receives report, and adopts the next Resolution, in order, to ratify agreements for sewer billing services as follows: Advanced Utility Solutions in the amount of $160,000 for software, payments, and billing support. Infosend in the amount of $160,000 for bill printing and mailing. That the City Council receives report, and adopts the next Resolution, in order, to ratify agreements for sewer billing services as follows: Advanced Utility Solutions in the amount of $160,000 for software, payments, and billing support. Infosend in the amount of $160,000 for bill printing and mailing. NV5 in the amount of $70,000 for customer service and support. That the City Council receives report, and adopts the next Resolution, in order, to ratify agreements for sewer billing services as follows: Advanced Utility Solutions in the amount of $160,000 for software, payments, and billing support. Infosend in the amount of $160,000 for bill printing and mailing. That the City Council receives report, and adopts the next Resolution, in order, to ratify agreements for sewer billing services as follows: Advanced Utility Solutions in the amount of $160,000 for software, payments, and billing support. Infosend in the amount of $160,000 for bill printing and mailing. That the City Council receives report, and adopts the next Resolution, in order, to ratify agreements for sewer billing services as follows: Advanced Utility Solutions in the amount of $160,000 for software, payments, and billing support. Infosend in the amount of $160,000 for bill printing and mailing. That the City Council receives report, and adopts the next Resolution, in order, to ratify agreements for sewer billing services as follows: Advanced Utility Solutions in the amount of $160,000 for software, payments, and billing support. Infosend in the amount of $160,000 for bill printing and mailing. NV5 in the amount of $70,000 for customer service and support. That the City Council receives report, and adopts the next Resolution, in order, to ratify agreements for sewer billing services as follows: Advanced Utility Solutions in the amount of $160,000 for software, payments, and billing support. Infosend in the amount of $160,000 for bill printing and mailing. That the City Council receives report, and adopts the next Resolution, in order, to ratify agreements for sewer billing services as follows: Advanced Utility Solutions in the amount of $160,000 for software, payments, and billing support. Infosend in the amount of $160,000 for bill printing and mailing. That the City Council receives report, and adopts the next Resolution, in order, to ratify agreements for sewer billing services as follows: Advanced Utility Solutions in the amount of $160,000 for software, payments, and billing support. Infosend in the amount of $160,000 for bill printing and mailing. That the City Council receives report, and adopts the next Resolution, in order, to ratify agreements for sewer billing services as follows: Advanced Utility Solutions in the amount of $160,000 for software, payments, and billing support. Infosend in the amount of $160,000 for bill printing and mailing. NV5 in the amount of $70,000 for customer service and support. That the City Council receives report, and adopts the next Resolution, in order, to ratify agreements for sewer billing services as follows: Advanced Utility Solutions in the amount of $160,000 for software, payments, and billing support. Infosend in the amount of $160,000 for bill printing and mailing. That the City Council receives report, and adopts the next Resolution, in order, to ratify agreements for sewer billing services as follows: Advanced Utility Solutions in the amount of $160,000 for software, payments, and billing support. Infosend in the amount of $160,000 for bill printing and mailing. That the City Council receives report, and adopts the next Resolution, in order, to ratify agreements for sewer billing services as follows: Advanced Utility Solutions in the amount of $160,000 for software, payments, and billing support. Infosend in the amount of $160,000 for bill printing and mailing. That the City Council receives report, and adopts the next Resolution, in order, to ratify agreements for sewer billing services as follows: Advanced Utility Solutions in the amount of $160,000 for software, payments, and billing support. Infosend in the amount of $160,000 for bill printing and mailing. NV5 in the amount of $70,000 for customer service and support. That the City Council receives report, and adopts the next Resolution, in order, to ratify agreements for sewer billing services as follows: Advanced Utility Solutions in the amount of $160,000 for software, payments, and billing support. Infosend in the amount of $160,000 for bill printing and mailing. That the City Council receives report, and adopts the next Resolution, in order, to ratify agreements for sewer billing services as follows: Advanced Utility Solutions in the amount of $160,000 for software, payments, and billing support. Infosend in the amount of $160,000 for bill printing and mailing. That the City Council receives report, and adopts the next Resolution, in order, to ratify agreements for sewer billing services as follows: Advanced Utility Solutions in the amount of $160,000 for software, payments, and billing support. Infosend in the amount of $160,000 for bill printing and mailing. That the City Council receives report, and adopts the next Resolution, in order, to ratify agreements for sewer billing services as follows: Advanced Utility Solutions in the amount of $160,000 for software, payments, and billing support. Infosend in the amount of $160,000 for bill printing and mailing. NV5 in the amount of $70,000 for customer service and support. That the City Council receives report, and adopts the next Resolution, in order, to ratify agreements for sewer billing services as follows: Advanced Utility Solutions in the amount of $160,000 for software, payments, and billing support. Infosend in the amount of $160,000 for bill printing and mailing. That the City Council receives report, and adopts the next Resolution, in order, to ratify agreements for sewer billing services as follows: Advanced Utility Solutions in the amount of $160,000 for software, payments, and billing support. Infosend in the amount of $160,000 for bill printing and mailing. That the City Council receives report, and adopts the next Resolution, in order, to ratify agreements for sewer billing services as follows: Advanced Utility Solutions in the amount of $160,000 for software, payments, and billing support. Infosend in the amount of $160,000 for bill printing and mailing. That the City Council receives report, and adopts the next Resolution, in order, to ratify agreements for sewer billing services as follows: Advanced Utility Solutions in the amount of $160,000 for software, payments, and billing support. Infosend in the amount of $160,000 for bill printing and mailing. NV5 in the amount of $70,000 for customer service and support. That the City Council receives report, and adopts the next Resolution, in order, to ratify agreements for sewer billing services as follows: Advanced Utility Solutions in the amount of $160,000 for software, payments, and billing support. Infosend in the amount of $160,000 for bill printing and mailing.]

THIS IS REALLY GOOD.

I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU GUYS ARE LEAVING.

I SPENT A LOT OF TIME ON THIS MAN.

THEY JUST DON'T, I SH I SHOWERED TODAY TOO.

THEY DON'T KNOW HOW EXCITING SEWER BILLING SERVICES CAN BE.

I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS ALL DAY.

SO YEAH.

WELL IT'S, IT'S PROBABLY ABOUT SIX WEEKS.

YOU'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS BECAUSE AS YOU RECALL IN NOVEMBER AT OUR NOVEMBER COUNCIL MEETING, UH, WE CAME TO YOU WITH AN EMERGENCY ITEM.

UH, WE HAD JUST FOUND OUT THE DAY BEFORE THAT OUR SEWER BILLING COMPANY WHO OFFERS SEWER BILLING, SEWER MAILINGS, WHO ARE PROCESSING, UH, FOR OUR RESIDENTS AND OUR BUSINESSES HERE IN THE CITY WAS GOING OUT OF BUSINESS.

AND SO, UH, THAT CONSTITUTED THE NECESSITY FOR THE EMERGENCY, UH, COUNCIL AGENDA ITEM.

AND AT THAT MEETING YOU GAVE THE CITY MANAGER THE AUTHORITY TO ENTER INTO AGREEMENTS TO MAINTAIN SERVICES.

AND SO ALSO YOU ASKED THAT, UH, WE COME BACK IN JANUARY TO REPORT WHAT'S BEEN GOING ON.

SO I'M HERE TODAY TO KIND OF SHARE WITH YOU THAT, JUST THAT, AND UM, SO WE'RE GOING TO GO TRY TO HIT THREE PURPOSES TODAY.

THE FIRST ONE IS I'M TO REPORT BACK ON WHAT WE'VE DONE.

UH, SOME OF THE ACTIONS THAT WE'VE TAKEN OVER THE LAST A MONTH AND A HALF REQUIRES RATIFICATION BY, UM, THE COUNCIL.

AND THEN LASTLY, WE'RE GOING TO SEEK FOR SOME DIRECTION ON LONGTERM SOLUTIONS.

SO I'M KIND OF TEEING IT UP HERE, UH, LOOKING AT WHICH DIRECTION WE'RE GONNA GO.

UM, OKAY.

SO YEAH, THE DIAGRAM THAT WE HAVE ON THE SCREEN HERE SHOWS THE DIFFERENT SERVICES THAT THE COMPANY THAT WE WERE UTILIZING WAS, WERE PROVIDING AND THOSE SERVICES.

UM, IT'S, IT'S NOT VERY EASY FOR ONE COMPANY TO PROVIDE ALL THESE SERVICES.

AND AS YOU RECALL, SEVERAL YEARS AGO WHEN WE WENT OUT TO BID, WE ONLY RECEIVED ONE BITTER TO PROVIDE THESE SERVICES AND IT WAS AN ALL ENCOMPASSING, UH, PR PROVIDER AND THEY EVEN STRUGGLED TO GET THE BILLS OUT.

YOU, YOU MIGHT RECALL THAT THERE WERE MONTHS THAT BILLS WEREN'T SENT OUT, YOU RECALL.

AND SO JUST KIND OF TAKING US BACK IN TIME, UM, THESE ARE THE SERVICES THAT WE'VE HAD TO PROVIDE.

SO WE FORMULATED A TEAM AND YOU GOT TO UNDERSTAND OVER THE LAST SIX WEEKS, WE SET SOME GOALS.

AND THOSE GOALS WERE,

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WERE LOFTY.

AND WITHOUT THIS TEAM, THERE WERE SOME VERY SPECIAL PEOPLE HERE AT THE CITY, EMPLOYEES OF THE CITY THAT SPENT A LOT OF TIME, ESPECIALLY AROUND THE HOLIDAYS TO GET THIS DONE.

SO I JUST REAL QUICK, I WANT TO RECOGNIZE, UH, BLAKE.

YASMIN, IF YOU GUYS WOULD STAND, PLEASE.

IF, IF YOU'RE HERE, BLAKE, YASMIN, JEFF, MONICA, CLAY, SARAH, VICTORIA, AND LUCA.

THEY WERE INSTRUMENTAL.

THERE'S, THEY'RE SHY.

THEY DON'T WANT TO STAND.

UM, BUT THESE PEOPLE WERE AMAZING AND, AND HELPING US TO DO THIS BECAUSE WE HAD TO DROP EVERYTHING.

UM, THERE ARE MANY OPTIONS FOR US TO REVIEW.

AND SO WHEN FATHOM WENT AWAY, THEY WERE INITIALLY GLOBAL WATER.

SO I'M GOING TO SAY FATHOM, AND IT MEANS THE SAME THING.

SO WHEN, IF YOU SEE THEIR FATHOM WAS DOING ALL THESE THINGS PAYING OR THEY'RE OFFERED A BILL PAY FOR ONLINE PAYMENTS, THEY DID SOFTWARE TO TRACK CUSTOMERS WHEN THEY, WHEN THEY, UH, CALLED IN WHAT THEY SAID AND WHAT WE SAID TO THEM.

ALSO THE SOFTWARE TRACKED, UM, HOW MUCH THEY WOULD PAY.

SO WE GENERATE OUR BILLS OUT OF THAT SOFTWARE.

WE ALSO INPUT THEIR WATER USAGE FROM AND HE LOOKS WATER.

UH, THEY DID BILL PRINTING AND MAILING.

THEY HAD MERCHANT ACCOUNTS, THEY HAD CUSTOMER SERVICE, A CALL CENTER AND THEY IMPORT AND EXPORT OF THE DATA.

SO WHEN THEY WENT AWAY, WE HAD TO TAKE ALL OF THESE ITEMS AND SAY, HOW ARE WE GOING TO REPLACE THAT? AND THERE REALLY WEREN'T A WHOLE LOT OF OPTIONS OUT THERE, ESPECIALLY ONE-STOP-SHOP OPTIONS.

SO WE WENT TO WORK.

WHAT ARE SOME OF THE, THE OPTIONS THAT WE HAVE OUT THERE? A LOT OF COMPANIES, WE, WE ANALYZE DIFFERENT SOFTWARE COMPANIES THAT COULD HANDLE THIS AND UM, WE ANALYZE CUSTOMER SERVICE OPTIONS.

WE ANALYZE WHO'S GOING TO IMPORT AND EXPORT THE DATA INTO THE SYSTEM, WHO'S GOING TO PAY, UH, DO THE BILL PAY, UM, FOR IVR OVER THE PHONE PAYMENTS AND ACH AND, AND ALL THESE OTHER WAYS THAT OUR CUSTOMERS PAY BILLS.

AND, AND I KNOW IT SOUNDS LIKE REALLY ENTHRALLING, RIGHT? LIKE THIS IS SUPER EXCITING STUFF, BUT IT WAS MONOTONOUS AND WE HAD TO DIVE DEEP.

GET INTO THE WEEDS AND I WON'T TAKE YOU THERE, I PROMISE.

UM, FOR, FOR BILL PRINTING AND MAILING THERE, THERE ARE COMPANIES OUT THERE, UTILITARIAN INFO SEND AND FOR HANDLING OUR MERCHANTS ACCOUNTS.

WELL THAT ONE WAS KIND OF EASY BECAUSE WE ALREADY USE U S BANK.

AND SO WE SAID, OKAY, THAT'S A GOOD OPTION.

SOMEBODY WE'RE ALREADY USING.

SO WE WANTED TO MAINTAIN LEVEL OF SERVICE, WE WANTED BILLS TO CONTINUE TO BE SENT OUT.

WE REMEMBER WHAT IT WAS LIKE WHEN THEY WEREN'T.

SO WE HAD TO SEND OUT BILLS AND WE HAD TO MAKE SURE THAT PAYMENTS WERE STILL ABLE TO BE PAID.

SO WE TOOK THOSE GOALS AND WE STARTED TO RUN FORWARD AND WE REALLY HAD TO NARROW DOWN OUR OPTIONS.

AND SO AFTER ALL EXTENSIVE RESEARCH WE LANDED ON FOR SOFTWARE ADVANCED UTILITY, WHY? WELL, WE FOUND OUT THAT FATHOM THE SOFTWARE THEY ARE PROVIDING US, THEIR SOFTWARE THAT THEY HAD BRANDED WAS ACTUALLY SOMEONE ELSE'S SOFTWARE WITH THEIR LABEL ON IT.

AND WE, SO WE REACHED OUT TO THAT COMPANY AND THEY SAID, OH SURE, WE'LL PROVIDE YOU THIS.

IN FACT, WE'LL GO GET THE DATABASE FROM THEM AND STAND YOU UP IN LESS THAN TWO WEEKS.

NOW WHAT COULD WE GET UP AND RUNNING.

EVERYBODY ELSE ON THAT LIST WAS GOING TO BE SIX TO EIGHT MONTHS.

SO WE SAID GREAT.

AND THE PRICE WAS RIGHT.

I MEAN, THE PRICE WAS GOING UP FROM WHAT WE WERE PAYING FATHOM, BUT FATHOM'S OUT OF BUSINESS.

SO IT'S NOT AN OPTION ANYMORE.

UM, CUSTOMER SERVICE.

WELL, WE SAID WE CAN PROVIDE CUSTOMER SERVICE IN HOUSE, WE CAN DO IT BETTER.

THAT WAS ONE OF OUR COMPLAINTS WITH THOUSANDS THAT THEIR CUSTOMER SERVICE STUNK.

SO GUESS WHAT? WE'RE GOING TO GET BETTER ON THAT.

WE'RE GOING TO CONTROL IT.

WE'RE GOING TO DO SOMETHING IN HOUSE, BUT WE NEED SOMEONE IN THE INTERIM UNTIL WE CAN HIRE SOMEBODY.

RIGHT? AND WE'RE UTILIZING A POSITION THAT WAS CURRENTLY NOT FILLED.

WE'RE GONNA FILL THAT POSITION TO BE OUR CUSTOMER SERVICE REP.

BUT UNTIL THEN, AND SAID, WE'LL PROVIDE A CALL CENTER FOR YOU.

WE'LL TAKE YOUR CALLS AND HELP YOU OUT.

UM, THEY ALSO SAID THEY WOULD HELP US WITH THE, UH, IMPORT AND EXPORT OF THE DATA UNTIL WE COULD GET OUR IN HOUSE PERSON TO DO THAT.

AND, UM, PAYMENTUS WAS A PARTNER OF ADVANCED UTILITY.

AND SO WITH THAT ONE CONTRACT WHERE YOU WILL TO GET THEM ON BOARD TO HANDLE THE BILL PAYMENT SO THAT CUSTOMERS COULD PAY ONLINE ACH WITH A CREDIT CARD OR WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE.

UM, AND THEN INFO SAID WE HAD USED THEM IN THE PAST.

IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME, UH, PADRE AND PADRE DAM AND HE LOOKS WATER TOO.

THEY USE INFO SENT TO PRINT AND MAIL THEIR BILLS.

SO OUR NEIGHBORS ARE DOING IT.

SO WE SAID, GREAT, YOU GUYS ARE OFFERING US A GREAT RATE.

AND SO US BANK, SO THESE WERE THE, THE OPTIONS THAT WE CAME FORWARD.

UH, WE HAD TO LOOK IN THE IMMEDIATE,

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BUT WE ONLY SIGNED AGREEMENTS THROUGH THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR THROUGH JUNE 30TH, BECAUSE WE KNEW THERE ARE OTHER OPTIONS OUT THERE THAT MAY BE MORE COST EFFECTIVE, BUT WE COULDN'T IMPLEMENT NOW.

WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE DEDICATED.

AND WE'LL GET TO THAT.

SO WE LOOKED AT SHORT TERM AND WE'LL LOOK AT LONGTERM MEANING THROUGH JUNE 30TH OF 2020.

SO GUESS WHAT DID WE ACCOMPLISH OUR GOAL? HECK YEAH.

EVERY BILL THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO GO OUT IN DECEMBER WENT OUT IN DECEMBER.

WE HAD PEOPLE HERE DURING THE CHRISTMAS BREAK WEEK AND DURING THE WINTER BREAK THEY WERE PRINTING AND MAILING, UM, THE BILLS TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERY BILL THAT WENT OUT WENT OUT BEFORE DECEMBER 31ST AND IT HAPPENED.

AND I'M EMOTIONAL ABOUT IT BECAUSE THESE PEOPLE GAVE EVERYTHING.

THEY DID AN AWESOME JOB AND WE'RE GOING TO STILL DO IT BY HAND MANUALLY UNTIL WE GET THE NEW SYSTEM ONLINE.

AND SO OUR NEXT, OUR NEXT ROUND, I THINK IN NEXT WEEK WE'VE GOT TO SEND OUT ANOTHER 300 BILLS AND WE'LL DO IT.

UM, SARAH, DSR I T DIRECTOR, SHE WROTE A PROGRAM TO INTERPRET THE EXPORT OF THE DATA FROM THE SOFTWARE AND TURN IT INTO A PDF OF BILLS THAT WE COULD PRINT AND MAIL OUT AND LITERALLY DID IT IN TWO DAYS.

AND THE COMPANY THAT WE ARE GOING TO SAY, OH, IT'LL TAKE FOUR TO EIGHT, FOUR TO SIX WEEKS.

AND WE SAID, WELL, WE GOT A SUPERPOWER.

WE HAVE SARAH.

RIGHT? AND SO SHE DID IN TWO DAYS, WHATEVER, NO PROBLEM.

AND SHE LOVED IT.

UH, CUSTOMER SERVICE HAS BEEN MAINTAINED.

WE HAVE PEOPLE IN HOUSE TAKING PHONE CALLS AND UM, EMAILS, UH, ABOUT EIGHT MONTHS AGO WITHOUT EVEN RECOGNIZING WHAT WE WERE DOING, WE ACTUALLY SAID, WHY ARE WE HAVING OUR CUSTOMERS CALL AN ARIZONA PHONE NUMBER FOR CUSTOMER SERVICE? SO WE GOT OUR OWN PHONE NUMBER, OUR OWN OKLAHOMA PHONE NUMBER AND THEN JUST FORWARDED IT TO THE ARIZONA ONE.

SO NOW PEOPLE, WHEN THEY CALL, IT'S THE SAME NUMBER AND WE JUST REDIRECT IT.

SO I DON'T KNOW, HINDSIGHT IS 20, 20, BUT I'M GLAD WE DID IT.

AND SAME WITH THE EMAIL ADDRESS WHEN PEOPLE HAVE QUESTIONS, WE DO THAT.

AND PAYMENT METHODS HAVE BEEN MAINTAINED.

WE WERE ABLE TO GET NEW PAYMENT METHODS.

PEOPLE CAN MAKE ONE TIME ONLINE, CREDIT CARD PAYMENTS EASILY FROM THERE, THEIR LIVING ROOMS OR LAPTOPS OR WHEREVER IT IS.

SO WE NEED THE, WE NEED TO RATIFY SOME OF THESE CONTRACTS.

UH, WE SIGNED CONTRACTS WITH ADVANCED UTILITY AND AND INFO SEND THE ENVY FIVE ONE IS, IS UNDER GRAHAM'S AUTHORITY, THE LIMITS THAT HE HAS TO DO THAT.

SO TO RATIFY THESE, WE ARE LOOKING FOR THE ADVANCED UTILITY SOLUTIONS AND THE INFO SAND CONTRACTS.

UM, THEY ARE $160,000 AND UM, I DEFINITELY HAVE A TYPO THERE, BUT THAT'S OKAY.

UM, THE ACTUAL AMOUNTS I WILL CORRECT THAT ARE 160 AND FOR INFO SEND IT'S 100.

SO, UH, AND THAT'S IN THE STAFF REPORT THERE.

UM, WE ARE EXCITED TO REPORT THAT WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO MAINTAIN THESE SERVICES.

SO WE'RE ASKING FOR THAT RATIFICATION.

SO THAT BRINGS US NEXT TO OUR LONGTERM SOLUTIONS.

SO WE HAD SOME GOALS IN SEEKING TO ACCOMPLISH OUR LONGTERM SOLUTIONS AND THEY ARE COLLECTABILITY.

UM, HOW MUCH MONEY WHEN WE SEND OUT A BILL FOR $100, HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE PAYING US THAT HUNDRED DOLLARS IN RETURN? THEIR SEWER SERVICE COSTS THEM A HUNDRED.

AND IT'S AN EXAMPLE NUMBER $100.

AND SOME PEOPLE JUST DON'T PAY.

AND WE HAVE TO LEAN EVERY THREE MONTHS.

YOU SEE ME UP HERE SAYING, OKAY, WE'VE GOT TO LEAN PROPERTIES CAUSE THEY HAVEN'T BEEN PAYING.

AND THEN A CERTAIN NUMBER OF THOSE NEVER EVER GET PAID.

SO WE WANTED TO LOOK AT THAT.

IS THERE A WAY THAT WE COULD INCREASE THE COLLECTABILITY WE WANTED TO LOOK AT THE COST OF DOING BUSINESS, THE PRICE, HOW MUCH IS IT GOING TO COST US MOVING FORWARD AND WHAT ARE THE STAFF IMPACTS AND WHAT IS OUR CONTROL LONGTERM LONGEVITY FOR WITH EACH OF THESE OPTIONS THAT WE LOOKED AT.

SO WE CATEGORIZE THIS INTO THREE MAIN OPTIONS AND THAT WAS DOING A FULLY CONTRACTED SERVICE, MEANING OUTSOURCING EVERYTHING KIND OF LIKE WE'VE BEEN DOING STATUS QUO, BUT IT WOULD BE NEW PEOPLE, NEW PLAYERS AND IT WOULDN'T BE AN ALL ENCOMPASSING ONE STOP SHOP BECAUSE THAT REALLY DOESN'T EXIST ANYMORE.

IN FACT, WE COULD PROBABLY GET A BETTER DEAL.

I'M SUBCONTRACTING IT OUT IF YOU WILL.

AND SO WE LOOKED AT THAT AND HOW MUCH THAT WOULD COST.

WE ALSO LOOKED AT, UM, PROVIDING EVERYTHING IN HOUSE, JUST SAYING, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WE'LL DO IT OURSELVES AND, AND HOW CAN WE DO THIS? AND TO BE HONEST, UM, WE CAN DO IT.

IT'S A, IT'S A VIABLE OPTION.

UM, AND WE WOULD HAVE TO HIRE MORE STAFF IN ORDER TO DO IT.

THAT'S A, UM, AND THERE'S, THERE'S PROS AND CONS WITH DOING THAT FOR SURE.

UM, SO THE COST FOR THE FULLY CONTRACTED SERVICE, UH, IS ABOUT $824,000

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A YEAR.

UH, SERVICES PROVIDED IN HOUSE OR INTERNALLY WOULD BE ABOUT $890,000 A YEAR.

AND THEN WE CAME UP WITH THIS THIRD OPTION WAS THAT THE, THE COUNTY TAX ROLL PROGRAM OR PLACING THE SEWER BILLS ON THE PROPERTY TAX BILL.

AND THIS COST IS CONSIDERABLY LESS.

WE DON'T HAVE TO, UM, PAY CREDIT CARD FEES.

WE DON'T HAVE TO PAY ALL THESE OTHER THINGS THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.

AND IT'S ABOUT 350 TO $400,000 A YEAR.

WE WOULD STILL HAVE A STAFF PERSON TO ANSWER PHONE CALLS WHEN PEOPLE WOULD CALL IN.

BUT ONCE A YEAR WE WOULD SEND THE BILLS OUT TO THE COUNTY AND THEY WOULD PUT IT ON THE TAX ROLL ON FOR THE PROPERTY TAX BILL.

AND THEN WE WOULD, UM, IT'S A A HUNDRED PERCENT COLLECTABILITY THE COUNTY TAKES ON THE LIABILITY.

EVERY DIME COMES RIGHT TO US EVERY TWO OR TWICE A YEAR, RIGHT.

EVERY SIX MONTHS.

UM, SO IT, IT LOOKS, IT LOOKS GOOD.

AND WE SAID, IS THAT TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE? UM, AND SO WE HAD REALLY HAD TO DIVE IN AND SAY, WELL, WHAT, WHAT ARE SOME OF THE, THE CONS TO DOING A COUNTY TAX ROLL PROGRAM? UH, WE KNOW BEFORE WE BROUGHT IT BEFORE YOU, SOME OF YOU REMEMBER WHEN IT CAME BEFORE, UM, WE WERE PROPOSING A 30 DAY TRANSITION AND A LOT OF LANDLORDS CAME FORWARD AND SAID, AH, MY TENANT PAYS THE SEWER BILL RIGHT NOW.

IT'S IN THEIR NAME.

AND NOW IF YOU PUT IT ON THE PROPERTY TAX, NOW I AM RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT.

I NEED TO AMEND MY LEASE.

30 DAYS IS NOT ENOUGH.

I CAN'T DO THIS.

AND SO WE LISTENED TO THAT.

WELL, WE'RE COMING TO YOU NOW FOR DIRECTION AND IF WE DECIDE TO GO THIS DIRECTION, WE ARE SAYING, LET'S GET THE WORD OUT.

LET'S TELL LANDLORDS OUT THERE THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING THIS BECAUSE AS SOON AS WE COULD TRANSITION IS IN JULY, WE COULD START THIS BECAUSE THAT'S WHEN THE COUNTY WOULD TAKE THE NEXT PAYMENT.

SO WE'VE GOT SIX TO EIGHT MONTHS TO GET THIS ROLLING.

ADDITIONALLY, WE COULD UNDER YOUR DIRECTION, UH, PROPOSE A WAIVER PROCESS, A ONETIME ONE YEAR WAIVER.

IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE A CONTRACT OR A LEASE TERM OR A RENTAL AGREEMENT COME UP WITHIN THE NEXT SIX TO EIGHT MONTHS THAT YOU COULD HAVE, WE COULD DEVISE A WAIVER PROGRAM THAT IF YOU APPLIED FOR IT AND YOU WERE ACCEPTED, MEANING YOU HAD A TO, UH, YOU KNOW, YOUR, YOUR LEASE WASN'T UP TO RENEW, UH, FOR ANOTHER YEAR OR SO.

WE COULD GIVE YOU ANOTHER 12 MONTHS AND WE WOULD JUST HAND BILL THAT ACCOUNT.

IT WOULD BE PROBABLY MINIMAL, BUT WE COULD COME UP WITH SOME TYPE OF WAIVER PROCESS.

SO, LET, LET ME TELL YOU A HUNDRED PERCENT COLLECTABILITY THE PRICE IS MUCH BETTER.

IT'S A LOT LOWER.

THE STAFF IMPACTS ARE MINIMAL.

WE'D HAVE TO PREPARE, UM, TAX ROLL DOCUMENTS TO GO TO THE COUNTY ONCE A YEAR AND LONGTERM IT'S GOING ON FOREVER.

UM, IF WE WENT WITH A FULLY CONTRACTED SERVICE, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT COMPANIES WILL DO IN THE FUTURE IF THEY'LL CHANGE THEIR PRICES, IF IT'LL GO UP AND IN HOUSE.

UM, WE, WE THE, THE COSTS ARE JUST A LOT HIGHER.

SO, UM, I WANT TO TELL YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION MAYOR? OH, I'LL, I'LL WAIT.

SO I JUST WANTED TO TELL YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHY THE COUNTY TAX ROLL PROGRAM IS ALSO SOMETHING TO CONSIDER.

AND THE REASON IS 75% OF AGENCIES WITHIN THE COUNTY WHO DON'T HAVE A WATER DEPARTMENT THAT THEY ALREADY ATTACHED THEIR SEWER BILL TO.

SO LIKE CITY OF SAN DIEGO, THEY HAVE THEIR OWN WATER DEPARTMENT.

UM, POWAY HAS A WATER DEPARTMENT, SO THAT'S NOT AN OPTION FOR US.

WE DON'T HAVE OUR OWN WATER DEPARTMENT.

WE CAN'T ATTACH, BY THE WAY, WE DID ASK HELIX IF THEY WOULD TAKE OUR BILLS BACK AND PUT A, OUR, THE SEWER BILL ON THE WATER BILL.

THEY SAID THEY CAN'T, THEY WON'T.

AND THEY WANTED TO HELP US OUT, BUT IT JUST WASN'T AN OPTION.

WE ALSO ASKED PADRE DAM AND THEY SAID THEY CAN'T, UM, AND ALSO WOULD TAKE A VERY LONG TIME TO IMPLEMENT.

UM, SO OTHER AGENCIES USING THE TAX ROLL, UH, 75%, LIKE I SAID, ARE USING TAX ROLL.

BUT THOSE ARE THE AGENCIES TO VISTA, CORNETTO, IMPERIAL BEACH, LA MESA, LEMON GROVE, NATIONAL CITY, SAN DIEGO COUNTY, SOLANA BEACH, AND VISTA ALL USE THE COUNTY TAX ROLL.

WE'RE IN THE MINORITY RIGHT NOW.

UH, AND JUST FOR THE RECORD THAT 25% IN THE COUNTY, THEY'RE NOT EVEN METRO MEMBERS.

SO WE'RE THE ONLY METRO MEMBER MEMBER OF SAN DIEGO METRO THAT'S NOT ON TAX ROLL.

WE'RE THE LONE WOLF HERE.

JUST PUTTING THAT OUT THERE.

THESE ARE THE OTHER AGENCIES.

UM, THE THREE OR SO THAT COMPRISE THE 25% ARE CARLSBAD DEL MAR AND OCEANSIDE.

AND UM, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE THE SILLY, I MENTIONED, UM, THE OTHER SEWER BILL AGENCIES LIKE SANTI, THEIR, THEIR, UH, THEIR SEWER BILL IS ON THEIR WATER BILL.

SO THEY'RE IN A DIFFERENT SCENARIO AND SITUATION.

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SO WHERE DO WE GO FROM THIS? WELL, WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT WE ADOPT THE NEXT RESOLUTION TO RATIFY THE AMOUNTS FOR THE SOFTWARE PURCHASES THAT WE MADE AND TO PROVIDE STAFF WITH DIRECTION ON WHICH OPTION WE SHOULD DO FOR LONGTERM SOLUTIONS FOR THE , THE SEWER BILLING SYSTEM AND PROGRAM.

SO THAT'S MY PRESENTATION AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

I'M BOB.

WELL, SEVERAL YEARS AGO I, I RECOMMENDED THAT WE PUT IT ON THE TAX BILL WAY BACK WHEN AND UH, I DIDN'T GET MUCH SUPPORT FOR IT, BUT I'VE ALWAYS BEEN A, UH, ADVOCATE OF PUTTING IT ON THE TAX BILL BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT, UH, I HAVE PROPERTY IN LA MESA, IT'S ON THE TAX BILL THERE.

I HAVE A TENANT WITH A LEASE.

I JUST, UH, SEND HIM A LETTER EVERY YEAR AND TELL HIM HOW MUCH THE SEWER BILL IS.

AND HE INCLUDES IT IN HIS LEASE PAYMENT, UM, IN THE DECEMBER LEASE PAYMENT WHEN I PAY IT IN DECEMBER.

SO IT'S, IT'S VERY FOR A LANDLORD TO DO THAT.

UM, AND WHEN SOMETHING CHANGES, I WOULD IMAGINE THAT, UM, MOST LEASES COULD BE AMENDED, UH, AUTOMATICALLY BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT, UH, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S CHANGED AS FAR AS THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE, UH, TAX PAYER OR THE RENTER AND THE, UM, AND THE, UM, CITY.

SO I DON'T SEE WHERE IT WOULD BE PROBLEM FOR A LANDOWNER TO COLLECT IT FROM MS TENANT.

YOU'RE STILL ON THERE, SO I'M, I'M TOTALLY IN FAVOR OF IT.

THIS IS MY IDEA.

SEVERAL YEARS AGO.

I'M THANK YOU.

IT'S GREAT THAT, THAT'S WHERE WE GOT THE IDEA OF THANKS.

IT WAS ALL YOU, THAT WAS A COUPLE OF CITY MANAGERS AGO.

I THINK.

DIRK THE, LET'S GO BACK TO THE SLIDE THAT HAS THE THREE DIFFERENT OPTIONS OF THE COSTS.

A CONTRACT RIGHT? THERE WE GO.

THE COUNTY TAXABLE PROGRAM.

DOES THAT COST INCLUDE THE COST OF CITY EMPLOYEES WHO HANDLE THE CUSTOMER SERVICE ASPECT? YES, IT DOES.

SO IT INCLUDES THAT PART.

SO THE 150 PROGRAM ADMIN PROBABLY IS PART OF THE CUSTOMER SERVICE DONE BY THE CITY.

SECOND QUESTION I HAVE IS, UM, WHAT'S A TYPICAL WA OUR SEWER BILL? $100.

DO YOU KNOW WHAT, WHAT THE TYPICAL, UH, IT VARIES, BUT UM, YEAH, WE COULD SAY $100 ON AVERAGE, UH, EVERY TWO MONTHS, EVERY TWO MONTHS.

SO $600 A YEAR IS A TYPICAL SEWARD.

I'M TRYING TO THINK OF THE BURDEN.

IF WE PUT IT ON A PROPERTY TAX BILL EVERY APRIL 10TH AND DECEMBER 10TH, YOU'VE GOT TO COME UP WITH THIS LUMP SUM OF MONEY.

AND HOW MUCH MORE ARE WE BURDENING PEOPLE? UH, SO THE ANSWER IS $300 ON AVERAGE PER PER TWO PROPERTY TAX PAYMENTS.

SO I WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE BURDEN THERE IS.

DO YOU KNOW, UH, IF THIS BECOMES A TAX DEDUCTIBLE PORTION OF THEIR PROPERTY TAX BILL? DEPENDS ON HOW THEY TALK, HOW THEY HANDLE IT WITH THEIR JOURNEY OR THEIR, UM, I'M NOT A TAX ADVISOR, BUT I DID STAY AT A HOLIDAY INN EXPRESS ONCE AND UM, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT IT'S, IT'S NOT, BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE DO IT ANYWAY.

WELL, THE LEGAL ANSWER IS IT'S NOT TAX DEDUCTIBLE, I GUESS IS, IS WHAT WE'RE SAYING HERE.

UH, THOSE ARE MY QUESTIONS.

WELL, THE QUESTIONS GARY.

OH, UM, DO YOU LOOK LIKE, WOULD YOU SAY FOUR OR $500,000 A YEAR? WE PASS ON THE SAVINGS TO THE CUSTOMERS, SO, UH, IT'S A, THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY AND UH, I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY THE WAY TO GO BECAUSE 75% OF THE CITIES DO IT CERTAINLY IS AN ENDING OUT OF THE BALLPARK.

SO, UH, AND I LIKED THE IDEA OF, UH, HAVING IT SET UP FOR LANDLORDS.

THEY CAN WAIT A YEAR TO GET THEIR LEASES IN ORDER.

THAT, THAT WAS ONE OF MY BIG CONCERNS BEFORE.

A FEW QUESTIONS.

THANKS.

NICE REPORT BY THE WAY.

THE, THE ANSWER FOR THE IN HOUSE SOLUTION IS CERTAINLY YES.

UM, OF THESE THREE SCENARIOS, UM, ARE ANY OF THESE INCURRING MORE PERSONABLE COSTS? UH, SO

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UM, THERE IS SOME ADDITIONAL, UH, EMPLOYEES THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED FOR THE CONTRACTED SERVICES.

UM, A LITTLE BIT MORE MANAGEMENT OF VARIOUS DIFFERENT CONTRACTS IN THERE.

UM, COULD WE HANDLE IT WITH EXISTING EMPLOYEES? I THINK WE WOULD HAVE TO INCREASE SLIGHTLY, UH, ONE EMPLOYEE OR SO ONE AND A HALF, UH, TO GET THAT DONE.

THE COUNTY TAX ROLL DEFINITELY HAS THE LEAST IMPACT ON PERSONABLE, UM, EMPLOYEES ADDED TO THE MIX, THE COSTS FOR THESE SERVICES IN THE PAST AND IN THE FUTURE.

HAVE THEY BEEN PASSED ALONG TO THE CONSUMER OR IS THIS SOMETHING THAT THE CITY EATS HIS COSTUME BUSINESS? ABSOLUTELY NOT.

WE DO NOT EAT THOSE.

UH, IT IS SOMETHING THAT IS INCORPORATED INTO THE COST OF DOING BUSINESS.

AND SO IT IS, IT IS CONTEMPLATED IN OUR RATE STUDIES WHEN WE, WHEN WE SET RATES.

SO ALL OF THIS IS, IT'S ALL COMES OUT OF THE ENTERPRISE FUND, THE, THE WASTEWATERS ENTERPRISE FUND.

AND THAT IS SELF-SUSTAINING.

IT HAS TO BE.

AND SO WE, WE LOOK AT THAT AND ALL OF THAT IS A, AS A COST ON THE BOTTOM LINE.

SO WE HAVE OUR REVENUES AND WE HAVE OUR EXPENDITURES.

AND THIS WAS ONE OF THE EXPENDITURES FOR THAT FUND.

IT'S ALL REVENUE NEUTRAL THOUGH, RIGHT? YES.

UM, SO IF YOU HAVE AN IMPOUND ACCOUNT ON YOUR MORTGAGE AND YOU'RE PAYING YOUR MORTGAGE EVERY MONTH, THAT THE COST OF YOUR TAXES IS GOING TO BE DEALT WITH.

YOU NEVER HAVE TO THINK ABOUT IT.

UM, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN TO THOSE PEOPLE THAT HAD IMPOUND ACCOUNTS THAT NOW HAVE A SEWER BILL ADDED TO IT? I CAN TELL YOU FROM EXPERIENCE BECAUSE I AM ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE, I LIVE IN THE NEXT CITY OVER LA MESA AND I PAY ON MY PROPERTY TAX BILL.

UH, JUST LIKE MR MCCLELLAN MENTIONED EARLIER AND UM, THEY JUST ADD IT RIGHT INTO THEY ADJUST IMPOUND ACCOUNT AND SO IT COMES OUT MONTHLY.

YEAH, IT'S VERY SIMPLE PROCESS THAT HAPPENED AUTOMATICALLY ONCE THE BANK SEES THE NEW PROPERTY TAX BILL, WHETHER IT'S A SUPPLEMENTAL OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, IT JUST GETS RE, UH, CALCULATED AND IT GOES RIGHT INTO YOUR MONTHLY.

THANKS.

I THINK THAT ANSWERS MY QUESTION, BOB.

UH, COULDN'T WE USE A GRAHAM, THIS IS FOR YOU.

COULDN'T WE USE, UH, CAUSE THE PROPERTY TAX BILLS ONLY COME OUT TWICE A YEAR.

COULDN'T WE USE TEMPORARY, UH, PERSONABLE PEOPLE? UH, JUST TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS WHEN THEY COME IN ON THAT OR MAYBE ONE PERSON, UM, FOR A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME CAUSE THERE WOULDN'T BE MANY, UM, FOR THE OTHER MONTHS OF THE YEAR, THE OTHER 10 MONTHS OF THE YEAR, THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY QUESTIONS.

AND AFTER WE WENT THROUGH THIS ONE TIME, WE PROBABLY WOULDN'T HAVE IT COME UP AGAIN BECAUSE THEY'D BE, EVERYBODY KNOW ABOUT IT.

WE WOULD NEED TO ANALYZE THAT.

I MEAN, ONE THING TO CONSIDER IS, IS ANYONE WE HIRED WOULD BE ON HER PET BRUH.

SO I MEAN ARE THE OVERALL PURRS LIABILITY WOULD BE LESS THAN THAN SAY VINCE OR I.

UM, BUT UM, AND IT'S A LOWER LEVEL PAID POSITION TOO.

THESE AREN'T, THESE ARE MORE CLERICAL LEVEL POSITIONS, BUT WE DO HAVE PEOPLE THAT CALL ALL THE TIME HAVING WORKED IN LEMON GROVE THAT HAS OPERATED ITS OWN SEWER PROGRAM AND OPERATED IN BUILD JUST LIKE THIS, THERE WAS ONGOING CALLS ALL THE TIME ABOUT QUESTIONS, UM, SERVICES COMING ON, SERVICES COMING OFF.

SO THERE'S ALWAYS A BILLING THING THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN.

EVEN THOUGH MAYBE WE BUILD THROUGH THE COUNTY, THERE'S, THERE'S THE, THE DATABASE HAS TO BE UPDATED.

THERE IS ONGOING WORK THAT WOULD REQUIRE THAT, BUT WE CAN LOOK AT THE MOST, UM, COST EFFECTIVE WAY FROM A PURSE PERSPECTIVE TO ACCOMPLISH THE GOAL.

AND WE COULD, WE COULD ALSO ASK LA MESA WHILE THEY HANDLE THEIR QUESTIONS BECAUSE THEY JUST RECENTLY WENT ON, IT MAY BE THE LAST THREE OR FOUR YEARS AND IT WAS ABOUT SIX YEARS AGO.

EVERY YEAR A LA MESA SENDS OUT A, A PRELIMINARY ESTIMATE OF WHAT YOUR SEWER BILL IS GOING TO BE OVER THE NEXT 12 MONTHS.

AND, UM, SO THEY, THEY GIVE THE PEOPLE A HEADS UP AHEAD OF TIME AND, UH, WE COULD DO THAT.

UH, TO HELP SIMPLIFY THE PROCESS.

AND WE HAVE BEEN TALKING TO THEM ABOUT, UM, ABOUT THAT PROCESS.

I ACTUALLY WORKED FOR THE CITY OF LA MESA WHEN WE SWITCHED OVER, SO I'M FAMILIAR WITH THAT, THAT PROCESS.

UM, AND, AND THE WAY THAT THEY DO THAT, UM, IT'S, IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO LOOK AT IN DEPTH.

UM, THERE MAY BE SOME CHANGES TO THE WAY WE CALCULATE THAT ARE MORE EFFICIENT MOVING FORWARD.

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SO WE'LL COME BACK TO YOU WITH THAT FOR SURE.

UH, BUT DEFINITELY LOOKING FOR DIRECTION ON, ON WHERE WE WANT TO GO AND THEN WE'LL VET ALL OF THAT OUT AND COME BACK WITH A COMPREHENSIVE PROPOSAL FOR YOU TO APPROVE AND FOR US TO MOVE FORWARD.

ALL RIGHT, WELL THANKS TO HER.

I THINK, OH, THERE'S ONE MORE, I GUESS MY COMMENT OR DIRECTION IS WITH REGARD TO NOTIFYING THE PUBLIC AND THE METHOD THAT WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT BECAUSE IT SEEMS AS THOUGH WE SHOULD DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT BECAUSE IT'S A BIG CHANGE THEN WE'RE USUALLY THEN THE METHODS THAT WE USUALLY USE TO, TO CONTACT THE PUBLIC.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT LOOKS LIKE A BANNER ON THE WEBSITE THAT'S REALLY BLATANT.

HEY, FAQ IS ABOUT YOUR PROPERTY OR ABOUT YOUR SEWAGE, UH, YOUR NEW SEWER BILL OR, UH, SOMETHING, UH, A MAILER THAT LOOKS DIFFERENT THAN NORMAL.

UM, TO GIVE OUR RESIDENTS AS MUCH RUNWAY AS POSSIBLE TO, TO MAKE THOSE CHANGES AND BE PREPARED.

WE COULD MAKE IT LOOK LIKE A POLITICAL SLATE.

AND, UM, ACTUALLY THAT'S A GREAT IDEA.

AND, AND WE KINDA DOING THE SAME THING AND EXPECTING A DIFFERENT RESULT IS DEFINITION OF CRAZY.

RIGHT? SO THERE'S A LOT OF, OF THINGS THAT WE SHOULD BE DOING.

AND SO, UH, I, I THINK IT'S DIVERSIFYING.

WE TALKED ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT IN THE, THE HOMELESSNESS, UH, DISCUSSION.

YOU HAVE TO, THERE'S NOT ONE SIZE FITS ALL.

THERE'S NOT ONE SOLUTION.

EVERYTHING.

I THINK WE DO NEED TO DIVERSIFY AND HOW WE PUT THE WORD OUT THERE.

MAILING YES.

ARE SO, A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO READ THEIR MAIL SEND OUT THOSE LETTERS, HIT EVERYBODY THAT WAY.

BUT, UH, GETTING IT OUT ON THE WEBSITE AND SOME OTHER WAYS, UM, WE CAN CERTAINLY LOOK AT THAT.

MAYBE EVEN LIKE A FACEBOOK AD OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT FOR OUR ZIP CODES HERE WOULD BE VERY BENEFICIAL.

COMMUNICATING THE REASON BEHIND THE CHANCES I THINK IS VERY IMPORTANT AS WELL.

WE'LL LISTEN TO THE PUBLIC COMMENT AND THEN WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT.

NO CARTS, NO.

OKAY, THEN THEN WE WILL TALK ABOUT IT NOW.

UM, I GOTTA TELL YA, I UNDERSTAND HOW THIS ALL MAKES A LOT OF SENSE, BUT I'M NOT SURE THAT THE PEOPLE ARE GONNA LIKE IT.

UM, I REMEMBER THE LAST TIME WE TALKED ABOUT THIS, THERE WAS A HUE AND CRY AND PEOPLE WERE REALLY UPSET.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, IF WE GET UP GOING IN THIS DIRECTION, I'D LIKE TO FIND A WAY TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE WERE SOME PUBLIC HEARINGS AND THAT THERE, THERE WAS OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE TO REALLY VOICE THEIR OPINION ON THIS CAUSE THIS AFFECTS PEOPLE'S LIVES.

THIS IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS WE DO THAT DIRECTLY AFFECTS THE FINANCIAL LIFE OF A LOT OF FOLKS.

AND, UM, AND MAYBE THAT'S THE WAY TO GO, BUT I, I THINK IT'S NOT AS CUT AND DRY AS IT MIGHT SEEM.

BOB, WHEN WE DID THIS THE LAST TIME, UH, AND TALKED ABOUT IT, WE DID HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING AND THERE WAS A LOT OF CONVERSATION BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT THE SEWER BILLING WAS NOT, UH, ACCURATE AT THAT TIME.

THAT'S WHEN THEY REALLY WERE ONLY SENDING OUT BILLS.

UH, SOME OF THE PEOPLE GOT BILLS, SOME OF THE PEOPLE DIDN'T GET BILLS AND THEY GOT CATCH UP BILLS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO IT WAS REALLY A MESSED UP.

IT WASN'T A GOOD TIME TO BRING IT FORWARD.

UH, THE BILLINGS HAD BEEN VERY, UM, ROUTINE FROM THEN ON.

AND I THINK NOW IS THE TIME THAT THE, UH, THE HOUR IS ABOUT, ABOUT US HERE AND WE NEED TO DO IT NOW.

AND UH, OBVIOUSLY WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING IN THAT.

RECOLLECTION IS LAST TIME PEOPLE WERE CONCERNED, UH, THE LANDLORDS, BECAUSE THERE WASN'T A VAPE WAIVER THAT WAS OFFERED.

SO, SO WHAT WE DIDN'T WANT TO DO IS GET TO THAT 11TH HOUR WHEN OUR TEMPORARY PROGRAM EXPIRES AND THEN WE'D SAY, OH, BY THE WAY, WE NEED A LONGTERM SOLUTION.

SO THAT'S WHY I WANT TO GET THIS TO YOU AS SOON AS WE COULD.

AS YOU REMEMBER, WE KNEW ABOUT THIS IN NOVEMBER, SO THIS IS ABOUT AS SOON AS WE COULD GET IT TO YOU.

UM, IF THE DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL IS TO, TO EXPLORE THE, USING THE COUNTY TO BILL ON THE PROPERTY TAXES, WHAT WE WOULD DO IS WE WOULD BRING FORWARD A, A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN OF WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE, WHAT KIND OF AGREEMENTS WOULD HAVE TO BE IN PLACE, UM, HOW THE BUILDING WOULD CHANGE AND STAFFING LEVELS AND PRESENT THE WAIVER CONCEPTS IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL WANTS TO CONSIDER.

AND THEN WE WOULD PRESENT THAT IN THE FORM OF A PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN COUNCIL COULD GIVE DIRECTION TO IMPLEMENT.

UH, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO MOVE FORWARD AS FAST AS POSSIBLE BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT, UH, US DOING IT IS TWICE AS EXPENSIVE AS HAVING IT PUT ON THE PROPERTY TAX BILL.

AND THE MONEY'S THE SAME FOR THE CITY AND, UH, TO THE CITIZENS.

SO, UH, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTICE THE PUBLIC HEARING AS SOON AS POSSIBLE AND GET, GET ON WITH IT AND STOP FIDDLING AROUND WITH IT.

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SO I THINK THIS WOULD TAKE AWAY, UH, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THEIR CONCERNS.

THE OTHER THING IS, MY RECOLLECTION FROM HAVING WORKED AT THE ASSESSOR'S OFFICE IS THAT THE OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF MORTGAGES, UH, HAVE, UH, AN IMPOUND ACCOUNT.

SO THEY JUST, THE, THE BANK IS SENDING SOMETHING TO THE, UH, TAXPAYER THAT SAYS, OKAY, THIS IS YOUR NEW MORTGAGE PAYMENT.

AND IT MIGHT BE ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, UH, $60 A MONTH.

IT'LL HAVE A PHONE NUMBER THERE.

AND A WHOLE BUNCH OF PEOPLE ARE GOING TO CALL THAT PHONE NUMBER, YOU KNOW, TO, TO TALK TO THE CITY AND SAY, YOU KNOW, LIKE WHAT'S GOING ON? AND THEY EXPLAIN IT.

UH, SO THEIR BURDEN FOR A LOT OF THESE PEOPLE WON'T BE AN EXTRA $300 EVERY SIX MONTHS.

IT'LL BE JUST, UH, ON THERE.

THE INCIDENT'S SENDING IT TO THE BILLING COMPANY FOR THE S OR THE CITY, THEY JUST SEND IT TO THE MORTGAGE, YOU KNOW, AN EXTRA $50 A MONTH.

SO THAT WILL TAKE CARE OF A LOT OF THEM.

AND THEN THE THING THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO ME IS WE'RE GOING TO SAVE ALMOST A HALF A MILLION DOLLARS FOR OUR, OUR, OUR, UH, TAXPAYERS.

THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY.

FIVE OR SIX POLICE OFFICERS.

SO IF THE COUNTY DOES IT, IS IT A JULY 1ST START DATE ONLY? UM, IT IS, I, I'M REMEMBERING WHEN, WHEN I DID THIS IN ANOTHER CITY, WE WOULD HAVE TO GET TO THE COUNTY, UM, UH, AUGUST DEADLINE TO GET ONTO THE TAX ROLL, BUT IT STARTED ON JULY ONE.

SO THERE WOULDN'T BE A WAY TO IMPLEMENT THIS ANY SOONER THAN, AND YOU'D HAVE TO WAIT TILL THE NEXT JULY ONE TO IMPLEMENT IF YOU WANTED TO DO THEN.

SO THE WINDOW, IS THIS JULY 1ST OR WE WAIT A YEAR? THAT'S CORRECT.

FROM JULY 1ST THAT'S CORRECT.

THAT'S MY FIRST QUESTION.

UM, LET'S GO BACK TO THE SLIDE THAT HAS THE THREE PROGRAM COSTS.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT THOSE NUMBERS, YOU'RE CUTTING WHAT WOULD POTENTIALLY BE, YOU KNOW, 50% OF THE COSTS.

SO $824,000 PER YEAR.

THE RISK THAT WE, THAT WE TELL TAXPAYERS, RATEPAYERS THAT THEY HAVE THERE IS THAT EIGHT OR 24,000 IS MADE UP OF MULTIPLE COMPANIES WHO WE DON'T HAVE CONTROL OVER THEIR OPERATIONS.

WHO WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE CONTROL OVER THEIR FEES FOR SERVICE UNLESS IT'S CONTRACTED.

YOU CAN ONLY INCREASE BY 3% A YEAR OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

IT'S A RISK OF DEALING WITH MULTIPLE VENDORS.

THERE'S A RISK THERE.

THE IN HOUSE, AS MUCH AS WE HAVE SUPERB, UH, STAFF, I THINK THE PUBLIC WOULD SAY YOU CHOSE THE MOST EXPENSIVE AUCTION BECAUSE YOU WANT IT TO BUILD YOUR EMPIRE.

AND I THINK THAT'S HOW THE PUBLIC WOULD VIEW THAT.

THE COUNTY TAX ROLL PROGRAM, UH, THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO ACTUALLY, I THINK THE FIRST ONE WAS $52 A MONTH COST.

THE SECOND ONE FOR PROGRAM COSTS, THE SECOND ONE WAS $48 PROGRAM COSTS.

THE THIRD ONE IS $23 PER ACCOUNT PROGRAM COSTS.

I, I BET YOU THAT WE'RE PAYING MORE THAN $23 PER MONTH PER ACCOUNT.

NOW FOR PROGRAM COSTS, THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO SAY TO RATE PAYERS, WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO LOWER THE PROGRAM COSTS FOR THE SEWER PROGRAM.

IF WE GO ON THE COUNTY TAX ROLL, WE DON'T HAVE A, UH, AN OPPORTUNITY LIKE THAT OFTEN TO SAY WE'RE GOING TO LOWER YOUR COSTS.

HOWEVER, WE HAVE TO PROVIDE LOTS OF, UH, PUBLIC INPUT BECAUSE THIS NEEDS TO BE, UH, THE PUBLIC NEEDS TO BE PERSUADED.

THIS IS A REALLY GOOD CHOICE, UH, TO DO IT THIS WAY.

IF YOU HAVE TO WRITE A CHECK A TWICE A YEAR, AN AVERAGE OF $300 MORE, I, I, I TAKE THE $25 A MONTH SAVINGS, THAT'S 400, $300 A YEAR SAVINGS TO ME VERSUS THE OTHER OPTIONS.

I'LL TAKE $300 SAVINGS IF I, IF I CAN GET THAT.

UH, THE OTHER CITIES THAT DO AT LEMON GROVE A NATIONAL CITY HAVE SIMILAR DEMOGRAPHICS THAN US.

THEY'RE ON THE COUNTY TAX SOIL PROGRAM.

SO I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT SOME OF THE LOWER INCOME PEOPLE.

I THINK I'VE MET MY ANSWER THERE.

UH, RENTERS, THIS COULD BE PUT ON A MONTHLY LEASE THING.

PEOPLE WHO ARE HOMEOWNERS, I DON'T SEE IT AS A, AS A BURDEN, ESPECIALLY FOR THE CHANCE TO SAVE MONEY.

I THINK THE COUNTIES ARE THE WAY TO GO.

WE HAVE TO LET THE PUBLIC KNOW, BUT WE HAVE TO MOVE QUICKLY BECAUSE JULY 1ST IS OUR WINDOW.

VERY BRIEFLY AT THE END OF THE DAY, SAVING MONEY FOR OUR TAX PAYING CITIZENS AND OUR RESIDENTS IS MY PRIORITY.

AND

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SO, UM, AT THIS POINT IT'D BE HOW DO YOU MANAGE THE CHANGE WITH OUR RESIDENTS AND OUR PA AND OUR RATE PAYERS? UM, AND SO I THINK THE WAIVER THAT WAS DISCUSSED IS GREAT.

GETTING INPUT FROM, UM, UH, UH, OWNERS OF, OF PROPERTIES IS I THINK GOING TO BE GOOD TO GUIDE US IN THAT.

UM, AND THEN LIKE I SAID BEFORE, MAKING SURE WE'RE, UM, COMMUNICATING TO THE PUBLIC IN A DIFFERENT WAY TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE AWARE OF THE CHANGE AND THEY CAN PLAN ACCORDINGLY.

BECAUSE LIKE WE'VE SAID, TIME AND TIME AGAIN, THIS IS A BIG CHANGE AND WE WANT TO LESSEN THE IMPACT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.

SO YEAH, MOST RESIDENTIAL LEASES AREN'T LONGER THAN A YEAR, SO THEY WOULD, YOU KNOW, IF WE DID THIS FOR A YEAR, GET, GIVE THE LANDLORD'S AMPLE TIME TO CHANGE THE LEASES.

I WOULD MAKE IT A LOT EASIER FOR ME IF WE HAD BUY OFF FROM THE SAN DIEGO COUNTY BOARD OF REALTORS AND THE CITY OF COUNTY APARTMENT ASSOCIATION.

AND IN FACT HAS, AS THE COUNCIL WAS TALKING, I WAS THINKING WE'LL REACH OUT TO THEM.

THEY ACTUALLY MAY HAVE OTHER IDEAS BESIDES THE WAIVER THAT THAT MAY BE HELPFUL.

SO WE'LL REACH OUT TO THEM AND SOLICIT THEIR INPUT.

UM, DO YOU NEED A MOTION OR DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT THE COUNCIL WAS? THERE IS A RESOLUTION THAT RATIFIES THE AGREEMENTS THAT I'VE, OUR CONTRACTS I'VE ALREADY SIGNED AND THEN YOUR DIRECTION IS SUFFICIENT.

YOU KNOW, I, I LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO RATIFY THAT AGREEMENT AND THEN TO PROVIDE DIRECTION AS WE HAVE DONE.

SO.

SECOND AGAIN, THERE IS VOTE MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.

I'M GLAD TO SEE THIS HAPPENING BEFORE.

NUMBER 16, CONTRACTS FOR CITY MANAGER AND CITY ATTORNEY.

I MISSED THE LINE ITEM FIFTEENS

[15. Award of RFP No. 015-20 – Financial Advisor Services RECOMMENDATION: That the City Council adopts the next Resolution, in order, to enter into an agreement for financial advisor services with Urban Futures, Inc., in an amount not to exceed $35,000 for Phase 1 of the project for a one-year term. ]

NEXT, EXCUSE ME.

ITEM 15 IS AN AWARD FOR FINANCIAL ADVISORS SERVICES STAFF.

UH, MR MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, A GOOD EVENING.

NOW, UH, THIS IS, THIS ITEM IS ACTUALLY WITHIN MY SIGNING AUTHORITY, MY CONTRACT AUTHORITY.

BUT THIS IS A HIGH PRIORITY FOR THE CITY COUNCIL PENSION AND, UM, YOU'RE GOING TO, IF YOU WERE TO APPROVE THIS AGREEMENT, YOU'LL BE INTERACTING WITH THIS, UM, CONTRACTOR AS THEY PRESENT INFORMATION AND PROJECTS TO YOU.

SO I THOUGHT THERE'S SOME VALUE IN BRINGING IT FORWARD TONIGHT.

FOR YEARS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT AND STUDIED AND PAID CONSULTANTS TO UNDERSTAND OUR PENSION LIABILITY, BUT WE HAVEN'T REALLY DONE MUCH ABOUT IT EXCEPT FOR ESTABLISHED THAT SEPARATE MONEY, THAT SEPARATE FUND WHERE WE'VE BEEN PUTTING MONEY SOCKING MONEY AWAY INTO WHICH WE HAVE, WE'VE NEVER UTILIZED.

IT'S JUST SITTING THERE.

UM, PARTLY BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A FINANCIAL PLAN THAT WE, THAT WE HAVE THE CAPACITY AT THE STAFF LEVEL TO ANALYZE, TO MAXIMIZE THAT TAXPAYER DOLLAR TO REDUCE OUR LIABILITY.

STAFF'S RECOMMENDING THAT WE, UM, BRING ON BOARD A FINANCIAL ADVISOR TO PROVIDE THAT SERVICE.

WE ISSUED A REQUEST FOR A PROPOSAL.

UH, WE HAD FOUR ENTITIES THAT EXPRESS INTEREST, UM, THROUGH OUR EVALUATION COMMITTEE.

WE'VE CHOSEN URBAN FUTURES.

WE FEEL THAT THEY HAVE THE STRONGEST CAPACITY TO HELP THE CITY IDENTIFY AND ANALYZE REAL SOLUTIONS THAT WE CAN BRING FORWARD FOR THE CITY COUNCIL.

MR JULIO MORALES FROM URBAN FUTURES IS HERE TONIGHT TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT HIM OR HIS FIRM.

UH, BUT STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THE CITY COUNCIL ADOPT THE RESOLUTION APPROVING THE AGREEMENT WITH URBAN FUTURES INCORPORATION.

HELLO, SIR.

WELCOME MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL.

TO DEVELOP YOUR PENSION FUNDING SOLUTIONS.

IF YOU COULD JUST TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT YOUR, UH, AT YOUR FIRM AND WHAT YOU DO.

URBAN FUTURES IS A REGISTERED MUNICIPAL ADVISORY FIRM.

WE HELP IN MOST CASES PROVIDE FINANCIAL PLANS, HELP YOU ISSUE BONDS.

WE ARE THE NUMBER ONE RANKED FINANCIAL ADVISOR FIRM IN CALIFORNIA.

WE HAVE THREE DIFFERENT GROUPS.

UH, ONE IS THE ISSUANCE OF BONDS AND OTHERS, THE PUBLIC MANAGEMENT GROUP OF WHICH I AM A PART OF, WHICH HELPS IN DEVELOPING FINANCIAL PLANS, PENSION MODELING, AND THEY ALSO HAVE BOND COMPLIANCE.

UM, I PERSONALLY HAVE BEEN, UM, IN THE MUNICIPAL FINANCE INDUSTRY FOR 25 YEARS.

UH, I HAVE BEEN AN INVESTMENT BANKER OR FINANCIAL ADVISOR.

UH, I, UH, RECENTLY CAME BACK FROM THE U S TREASURY.

I WORKED ABROAD PROVIDING FINANCIAL ADVICE TO THE TREASURE OF PARAGUAY.

UM, I HAVE TWO MASTERS DEGREES.

UH, I HAVE A DEGREE FROM HARVARD, UCLA, AND MICHIGAN.

I ACTUALLY LEARNED TO SPEAK ACTUARY WORKING FOUR YEARS AT TRANSAMERICA.

I'M NOT AN ACTUARY.

I'M AN MBA, BUT, UH, I HOPE TO BE ABLE TO EXPLAIN TO YOU IN PLAIN ENGLISH TERMS WHAT THESE ACTUARIAL REPORTS SAY, WHAT THE IMPLICATIONS ARE, AND TO WALK THROUGH IN A PROCESS DEVELOPING A PLAN

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WOULD YOU ACTUALLY BE THE PERSON WOULD BE WORKING WITH OR WOULD THERE BE SOMEBODY ELSE THAT YOU WOULD SEND? I AM THE PERSON.

I SAT IN HER ROOM FOR THREE MONTHS AND DEVELOPED THE PENSION FUNDING MODEL.

I DO ALL OF THE PROJECTIONS.

I WILL ATTEND ALL THESE MEETINGS.

IF FOR SOME REASON I'M NOT AVAILABLE TO ATTEND, I HAVE ANOTHER TWO OTHER SENIOR LEVEL INDIVIDUALS WITH 25 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE WHO WOULD BE ABLE TO ATTEND IN MY LU.

BUT I ACTUALLY DO THE CASHFLOWS.

I ATTEND ALL THE MEETINGS.

UM, MY CURRENT CLIENTS ARE, ARE KATIYA, POMONA, AZUSA, SAN FERNANDO, SIMI VALLEY, UH, SANTA ANA.

UH, OH MY GOD.

THAT THERE'S A NUMBER.

THOSE ARE MY CURRENT ONES THAT I CAN THINK OF.

UM, AND ABOUT FOUR OR FIVE OF THE WATER DISTRICTS.

I SPEAK ALL THE TIME AT A NUMBER OF CONFERENCES.

IF YOU'D LIKE TO SEE ME SPEAK AT THE UPCOMING CSF FMO ANNUAL CONFERENCE IN DISNEYLAND, THAT'LL BE ON JANUARY 29TH.

THIS, THAT'S A NICE INVITATION.

UM, ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? REMARKABLY, UH, QUALIFIED.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING.

WELL, UH, ANGELA HAD CARDS ON THIS.

NO CARD, SIR.

UM, WE DON'T NEED A MOTION TO CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING, SO I'M, I'M IMPRESSED AS ANYBODY WANNA MAKE A MOTION TO GO MOVE.

PLEASE VOTE.

16 CONTRACTS FOR OUR CITY MANAGER AND OUR CITY ATTORNEY.

THANKS.

WE LOOK FORWARD TO IT.

ALL RIGHT, NOW WE ARE AT ITEM

[16. Contracts for City Manager & City Attorney RECOMMENDATION: That the Mayor provides an oral report summarizing recommended changes in compensation for the City’s “local agency executives”; and following the report, that the City Council approves the changes to the Employment Contracts as reflected on the attachments.]

FIRST I NEED TO SAY THAT THE CALIFORNIA LAW REQUIRES THE PRIOR TO TAKING FINAL ACTION ON SALARIES, SALARY SCHEDULES OR COMPENSATION PAID IN THE FORM OF FRINGE BENEFITS OF WHAT ARE KNOWN AS LOCAL AGENCY EXECUTIVES.

THE LEGISLATIVE BODY SHALL ORALLY REPORT A SUMMARY OF A RECOMMENDATION FOR SUCH FINAL ACTION.

A LOCAL AGENCY EXECUTIVE INCLUDES ANY EMPLOYEE OF THE CITY WHO IS NOT SUBJECT TO THE MYERS MULA BROWN ACT AND WHO WAS THE CITY MANAGER, THE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, A DEPARTMENT HEAD OR WHOSE POSITION IS HELD BY AN EMPLOYMENT CONTRACT WHICH INCLUDES THE CITY ATTORNEY.

SO FOR THE PURPOSE OF DISCLOSURE, THIS REPORT INCLUDES THE ACTION ON SALARIES, THE CITY MANAGER, THE CITY ATTORNEY WILL BE PAID IN A MANNER CONSISTENT WITH ALL OTHER EMPLOYEES.

ALSO INCLUDED THIS COMPENSATION IN THE FORM OF FRINGE BENEFITS FOR THE LOCAL AGENCY EXECUTIVE CITY MANAGER GRAHAM MITCHELL.

NOW FOR THE PROPOSED CHANGES IT IS PROPOSED THE CITY MANAGER RECEIVE A SALARY INCREASE OF 5% FOR THE POSSESSION OF THE INTERNATIONAL CITY COUNTY MANAGEMENT ASSOCIATION CREDENTIALED MANAGER DESIGNATION.

ADDITIONALLY, THE CITY MANAGER'S BENEFIT PACKAGE WILL INCLUDE AN ANNUAL EXEC EXECUTIVE PHYSICAL EXAMINATION THROUGH THE PROVIDER ON CONTRACTS WITH THE CITY.

THIS CONCLUDES THE SUMMARY OF PROPOSED CHANGES TO SALARIES OF COMPENSATION IN THE FORM OF FRINGE BENEFITS TO THE CITY EXECUTIVES AS IS REQUIRED BY LAW.

DOES THE COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? ANGELA GAY SPEAKER CARDS.

NO CARD, SIR.

IF THERE'S NOT ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION WITH SOMEBODY LIKE TO PROCEED WITH A MOTION.

SO MOVE SECOND.

THE MOVE TO SECOND AND PLEASE, PLEASE VOTE.

THERE ARE NO COMMISSION REPORTS TODAY.

ITEM 17 IS MY ACTIVES REPORT, WHICH IS AS REPORTED.

THERE'S NO LEGISLATIVE REPORT ON TODAY'S AGENDA.

I DIDN'T.

MY TEEN IS A RECOMMENDATION FOR THE CITY COUNCIL ASSIGNMENTS.

ANGELA, DO YOU HAVE ANY SPEAKERS? UM, AND NO CARDS OR SIR.

ALRIGHT.

MMM.

THE CITY COUNCIL WOULD APPROVE THE CITY COUNCIL ASSIGNMENTS.

IT'S A VARIOUS BOARDS OF COMMISSIONERS REPRESENTING AS A, YOU'VE BEEN INSTRUCTED, DOES COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS? YES.

A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CITY COUNCIL ASSIGNMENTS AS IDENTIFIED IN THE REPORT.

IS THAT AGAIN, PLEASE VOTE.

REPORT FOR COUNCIL MEMBERS, COUNCIL MEMBER KENDRICK.

WE'RE DOWN TO ACTIVITIES

[15. ACTIVITIES REPORTS/COMMENTS OF COUNCILMEMBERS:]

I'VE GOT A COUPLE THINGS TO ADD.

UH, I ATTENDED THE HOLOCAUST MEMORIAL EVENT AT THE CHULAVISTA LIBRARY.

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WAS VERY IMPRESSIVE.

AND I ATTENDED THE ART GARFUNKEL CONCERT AT THE MAGNOLIA AND IT WAS ABSOLUTELY FABULOUS.

HIS SON WENT WAS THERE, WHO IS 28 YEARS OLD AND HE HAS AN INCREDIBLE VOICE.

THE HOUSE WAS PACKED.

EVERYBODY HAD A GOOD TIME.

UH, IT WAS PROBABLY ONE OF THE BEST CONCERTS I'VE, I'VE EVER GONE TO.

THANKS FOR THOMAS POP AS REPORTED.

DISTRICT GLOBAL.

I'LL ADD JANUARY 10TH ATTENDED THE EAST COUNTY CHAMBER FIRST FRIDAY BREAKFAST.

SORRY.

MR. ORTIZ, ONE AMENDMENT ON THE 13TH YESTERDAY I WAS UNABLE TO MAKE THE LEAGUE OF CALIFORNIA CITIES MEETING, FOUND MYSELF STRANDED IN THE SIDE OF THE FREEWAY.

SO NO, THAT SOUNDS HORRIBLE.

ITEM 24 IS THE SECOND READING AND ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE APPROVING MODIFICATIONS TO THE ALCOHOL AND TOBACCO RETAILERS LICENSE PROGRAM.

THERE ARE NO JOINT COUNSELOR REPORTS IS NO GENERAL INFORMATION ITEMS FOR DISCUSSION.

WE HAVE NO FIRST READINGS OR ORDINANCE SAWS ON TODAY'S AGENDA.

[24. Approve modifications to the El Cajon Tobacco Retailer's License Program RECOMMENDATION: That Mayor Wells requests the City Clerk to recite the title. An Ordinance of the City Council of the City of El Cajon, California, Amending Chapter 8.33 of the El Cajon Municipal Code to Regulate Retailers of Tobacco Products and Electronic Vapor Devices and Establishing a License for Such Activities.]

I WILL ASK TO SECRET THREE, THE TOWEL OF FIRST.

ANGELA, ARE THERE ANY SPEAKER CARDS FOR THIS ITEM? AND ALSO I WANT TO REMIND EVERYBODY ABOUT MR SOMOS REQUESTS AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING.

WE DO HAVE TWO SPEAKERS.

THE FIRST ONE IS COURTNEY HAMILTON, SAM WALTON.

HI, WELCOME.

UH, THANK YOU MARIN CITY COUNCIL.

MY NAME IS COURTNEY HAMILTON AND I'M HERE TODAY REPRESENTING UM, ON BEHALF OF ALCOHOL AND TOBACCO RETAILERS.

WE WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THE WORK THAT YOU'VE DONE IN THIS ISSUE AND LET YOU KNOW THAT YOU HAVE THE FULL SUPPORT OF THE TOBACCO RETAILERS, UH, FOR YOUR LICENSING PROPOSAL, THE LICENSING PROPOSAL BEFORE YOU AGAIN TONIGHT.

UH, IT IS OUR GOAL TO BE A PARTNER WITH CITY COUNCIL ON SMOKING RELATED ISSUES AND TO WORK TOGETHER TO FIND SOLUTIONS TO THE PROBLEMS THAT FACE US THAT ARE RELATED TO TOBACCO SMOKING.

THIS ORDINANCE WILL ADD MUCH NEEDED REVENUE FOR ADDITIONAL RETAILER COMPLIANCE CHECKS.

AND WE'LL GIVE YOU THE RESOURCES TO ENGAGE IN A MORE ROBUST PUBLIC EDUCATION CAMPAIGN THAT IS ESSENTIAL IN PREVENTING YOUTH FROM USING TOBACCO.

SO THANK YOU FOR THE EFFORTS YOU'VE MADE AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO PARTNERING WITH YOU IN THE FUTURE ON KEEPING OUR PRODUCTS OUT OF THE HANDS OF YOUTH AND ANY OTHER ISSUES THAT YOU MAY SEE FIT TO WORK WITH US ON.

CHRISTIAN, EXCUSE ME, I'VE GOT QUESTION.

SORRY.

ALCOHOL AND TOBACCO RETAILERS WITH TOBACCO RETAILERS, TOBACCO RETAILERS.

YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT.

SO IS THIS A TRADE ASSOCIATION OF YEAH, THERE'S MANY ORGANIZATIONS, BUT I'M WORKING, I WORK FOR THE NATIONAL LINES OF TOBACCO OUTLETS.

AND DO YOU HAVE MEMBERS HERE IN OKLAHOMA? YES.

OKAY, GREAT.

YOU'RE WELCOME.

THE SECOND SPEAKER IS RIMA QUERY.

AN ISSUE WITH YOUTH BECAUSE OF ITS CUMBERSOME NATURE.

HI, HOW ARE YA? WELCOME COUNCIL MEMBERS.

MY NAME IS RAY MCCORY.

UM, MY FAMILY'S LIVED IN ALCOHOL FOR OVER 15 YEARS.

I REPRESENT FOR MARI, A PREMIUM HOOKAH TOBACCO MANUFACTURER HERE IN SAN DIEGO.

UH, WHO'S ALSO A MEMBER OF THE HOOKAH CHAMBER OF COMMERCE.

SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WE SUPPORT THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE, UH, TO REGULATE RETAILERS OF TOBACCO PRODUCTS AND THE ESTABLISHMENT OF A LICENSING PROGRAM.

YOU KNOW, WE'VE COMMEND YOUR LEADERSHIP AND PROPOSING REASONABLE LEGISLATION THAT DIRECTLY ADDRESSES THE RISE IN TEEN TOBACCO USAGE VERSUS A COMPLETE FLAVOR BAN, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE HOOKAH, WHICH ONLY COMES IN FLAVORS WHO HAS BEEN AROUND FOR OVER A THOUSAND YEARS AND WAS MADE CENTURIES AGO WITH MOLASSES AND HONEY.

SO WE THANK YOU FOR RECOGNIZING THE CULTURAL SIGNIFICANCE.

A HOOKAH IS PRACTICED AS MANY OF YOU KNOW, BY MIDDLE EASTERNERS, ARMENIANS, CAL DEMIAN'S, TURKS, PERSIANS AND INDIANS.

AND IT'S, UM, OFTEN A CENTERPIECE FOR SOCIAL GATHERINGS.

UH, IT'S OFTEN OFFERED TO GUESTS AS A SIGN OF HOSPITALITY AND RESPECT.

AND AS YOU CAN SEE, JUST THIS IS A TRADITIONAL SIZE FUKA.

IT'S NOT EASILY CONCEALED.

YOU CAN'T REALLY FIT IT IN YOUR POCKET OR BACKPACK.

UM, IT TAKES ABOUT 15 TO 30 MINUTES TO SET UP BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO PUT LIT COALS AT THE TOP AND WATER IN THE BOTTOM.

SO YOU CAN'T REALLY SET THIS UP AND USE IT, UH, DURING THE SHORT TIME OF RECESS IN BETWEEN CLASSES AT SCHOOL.

UM, THE WHOLE HOOKAH SET UP BETWEEN ITS TOBACCO AND ACCESSORIES COSTS OVER $200.

UH, SO THAT ALL OBVIOUSLY ELIMINATES MOST KIDS.

UM, WE JUST DON'T SEE KIDS RUNNING AROUND WITH HOOKAH IS YOU'RE NOT SEEING THEM COMPENSATED AT SCHOOLS.

UM, SO YOU KNOW, WHO IS NOT REALLY THE PROBLEM.

THE FDA HAS MIRRORED THAT BY SAYING THAT HOOK IS NOT

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EVEN OUR OWN GOVERNOR GAVIN NEWSOME HAD STATED IN SEPTEMBER THAT HOOKAH IS JUST NOT THE ISSUE IN CLASSROOMS. AND I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU RECOGNIZING THAT.

UM, YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVE MANY OF THESE MINORITY, UM, COMMUNITIES IN THE CITY OF EL CAHONE, UM, AND THERE'S A RICH CULTURAL DIVERSITY HERE IN THIS CITY.

UM, AND, AND HOOKAH IS VERY MUCH A PART OF THAT.

SO I COMMEND YOU.

I THANK YOU FOR RECOGNIZING, YOU KNOW, THOUSANDS OF YEARS OF CULTURAL TRADITION.

DID YOU EVER A REQUEST FOR THE COUNCIL TODAY? THANK YOU FOR DOING A GREAT JOB.

OKAY, THANKS VERY MUCH.

ANY QUESTIONS? THANKS FOR COMING.

ALRIGHT, THANKS.

SO WITH YOUR PERMISSION, SIR, I CAN RECITE THE TITLE.

LET ME ASK SOMETHING FIRST THAT THE COUNCIL, UM, SO THE, THE REQUEST WAS TO, UH, PUT THIS OFF FOR A COUPLE OF WEEKS.

I'M NOT SURE I SEE THE POINT IN THAT, BUT I WANNA MAKE SURE IF ANYBODY WANTED TO MAKE THAT MOTION, I'D BE GLAD TO HEAR IT.

WELL, I THINK, UH, THE TRADE ASSOCIATION THAT MR SAMO IS REPRESENTING IS A SIGNIFICANT GROUP IN ALCOHOL.

UM, MY QUESTION WOULD BE MORE FOR THE FIRST SPEAKER IF WE POSTPONE IT TWO WEEKS, IS DOES THAT ACCOMMODATE YOUR SCHEDULE TO COME BACK AND MAKE YOUR SAME POINT IN FRONT OF THEM? YOU GUYS KNOW THAT THE COUNTY DID HERE? UH, WHY DON'T YOU COME BACK UP TO THE PODIUM? SORRY.

PARENTS, BROTHER.

UM, THE COUNTY DID HEAR THIS AT A BEGINNING, AT 1:00 PM, AND THEY CONCLUDED THEIR VOTE AROUND 5:00 PM.

SO ANYONE WHO WANTED TO BOTH MEETINGS, WHAT HAVE I TESTIFIED AT THAT MEETING THIS AFTERNOON? I WAS ACTUALLY THE LAST PERSON, UM, OPPOSING THE ORDINANCE TO SPEAK AND STILL MADE IT HERE BEFORE YOU, YOU GUYS BEGAN.

SO IF THEY WOULD HAVE LIKED TO HAVE COME, THEY, THEY COULD'VE MADE IT TO BOTH.

IF THAT FACTORS IN AT ALL, YOU SAID YOU ALWAYS LOOK TO COME BACK TO SAN DIEGO.

ARE YOU NOT FROM SAN DIEGO? UM, I GREW UP IN CORONADO AND I WENT TO A COLLEGE HERE, BUT I LIVE, I CURRENTLY LIVE IN LOS ANGELES, LOS ANGELES.

SO YEAH, IT WOULD BE A BURDEN FOR YOU TO DRIVE DOWN SLIGHTLY AND GO AHEAD.

SO I UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT.

YOU REPRESENT TOBACCO RETAILERS, IT'S BACKWARDS.

OUR MEMBERS IN OKLAHOMA, IF YOUR ASSOCIATION, WHEN YOU SUPPORT THE ORDINANCE AS WRITTEN.

YES, WE DID.

JUST WANT TO CLARIFY.

I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU.

DID THE BORDER SUPERVISORS MAKE THEIR DECISION? THEY DID.

AND WHAT WAS THAT? I BELIEVE THEY VOTED TO ADOPT AS, AS PROPOSED.

UM, SO THEY IMPRO IMPLEMENTED A TRL, WHICH AS WE'VE BEEN GOING ON AND FULLY SUPPORTING ACROSS, UH, THE STATE.

UH, THEY ALSO PUT IN A FULL FLAVOR BAN, UH, WITH ONLY EXEMPTIONS FOR HOOKAH, UM, AND NOT JUST FOR ONSITE, BUT WHO GOT IN TOTALITY, UH, AS WELL AS A, UM, OUTDOOR SMOKING BAN FOR, UH, DINING AREAS WITH A BUFFER ZONE IS, I BELIEVE, THE TOTALITY OF THEIR, THEIR MEASURES.

IT WAS A VERY ROBUST MEETING.

JUST SO YOU KNOW, WE ALSO SENT THE DRAFT ORDINANCE TO ALL THE, THOSE THAT HAVE A RETAIL LICENSE WITH US AND WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED FEEDBACK PRO OR AGAINST THAT OR PRO OR CON AGAINST THE DRAFT ORDINANCE.

SURE.

JUST TO BE COMPLETELY FAIR, UH, GETTING DONE WITH ACCOUNTING MEDIA FIVE, YOU WOULD HAVE NO REASON TO BELIEVE THAT OUR MEETING WOULD STILL BE GOING ON THIS LONG, BUT, UM, NO, I, I LEAVE IT TO YOU.

I THINK WE'RE GOING TO DO IT ANYWAY.

MIGHT AS WELL GET IT DONE.

I'M STEVE, DID YOU WANT TO REQUEST A FORM? WELL, LET'S TALK ABOUT THE ISSUE OF FAIRNESS FOR, WE DON'T FEEL LIKE WE'RE RUSHING INTO THIS IF MR SOMA REPRESENTS A SIZEABLE GROUP IN OKLAHOMA THAT, UH, REALLY HAVE A FINANCIAL IMPACT ON THIS.

THE QUESTION IS, COULD ANYBODY ELSE IN THAT GROUP, BESIDES MR SOMO HAVE COME TO APPEAR? UH, AND I THINK MR. MITCHELL SAID, HEY, ALL THESE PEOPLE GOT NOTICE OF THIS PROPOSED CHANGE, ALL THE MEMBERS.

AND YOU DIDN'T RECEIVE ANY FEEDBACK, CORRECT, MR. MITCHELL? THAT'S CORRECT.

SO I THINK IF SOMEBODY OBJECTED, UH, I THINK EVERYBODY'S HAD A FAIR SHOT TO MAKE THIS.

THAT'S MY FEELING BY WANTING TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY HAD AN OPPORTUNITY IF THEY WANTED TO.

I JUST THINK WE NEED TO, SOMETIMES WE NEED TO COMMUNICATE THINGS OUT LOUD SO THE PUBLIC KNOWS THAT WE'VE VETTED AND THOUGHT ABOUT ALL OF THESE THINGS.

ALL RIGHT, ANGELA, THEN YOU'RE FREE TO READ THE

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THANK YOU SIR.

AND ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF OKLAHOMA, CALIFORNIA AMENDING CHAPTER 8.33 OF THE OKLAHOMA MUNICIPAL CODE TO REGULATE RETAILERS OF TOBACCO PRODUCTS AND ELECTRONIC VAPOR DEVICES AND ESTABLISHING A LICENSE FOR SUCH ACTIVITIES.

UM, I NEED EMOTION THEN.

OH, MOVE SECOND PLEASE.

VOTE.

THAT BRINGS US TO CLOSED

[23. CLOSED SESSIONS:]

SESSION.

OUR CITY ATTORNEY WILL RECITE THE TITLE AND LEAD US IN THE CLOSED SESSION.

THANK YOU, MAYOR.

THE CITY COUNCIL IS MEETING AND CLOSE SESSIONS ON THREE ITEMS, EACH OF WHICH IS INVOLVED WITH EITHER EXISTING OR ANTICIPATED LITIGATION.

THE FIRST IS A CONFERENCE WITH LEGAL COUNSEL FOR EXISTING LITIGATION PURSUANT TO PARAGRAPH ONE OF SUBDIVISION D OF GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION FIVE 49 56.9 THE NAME OF THE CASE IS CLIMATE ACTION CAMPAIGN VERSUS CITY OF ALCOHOL.

THE SECOND IS FOR CONFERENCE WITH LEGAL COUNSEL.

ANTICIPATED LITIGATION.

THE COUNCIL WILL BE LISTENING TO REPORTS AND DECIDING WHETHER TO INITIATE LITIGATION PURSUANT TO PARAGRAPH FOUR SAID DIVISION D OF GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION FIVE FOUR NINE 46.9 THERE'S ONE POTENTIAL CASE AND A THIRD IS A CLOSED SESSION FOR CONFERENCE WITH LEGAL COUNSEL.

EXISTING LITIGATION PURSUANT TO PARAGRAPH ONE OF SUBDIVISION D OF GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION FIVE FOUR NINE FIVE 6.9 THE TITLE, THE CASES ALCOHOL AND POLICE OFFICER'S ASSOCIATION VERSUS CITY OF HOPE GO HOME.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN THE CLOSED SESSION.

SECOND MOON SECOND, PLEASE VOTE.

I APOLOGIZE.

I DO NEED TO RESET THE VOTE.

MAY I HAVE YOUR VOTE? ABSOLUTELY.

LISTEN GENTLEMEN, BRIEFLY YOUR MOVE INTO CLOSED SESSION.

WE'LL BE BACK IN A FEW MINUTES TO THURSDAY COUNCIL MEETING.

I WILL ASK OUR ATTORNEY TO REPORT ON ACTIONS TAKEN IN CLOSED SESSION.

THANK YOU, MAYOR.

THE CITY COUNCIL MET ON THE THREE ITEMS LISTED IN THE AGENDA AND ITEMS 2025 THE CITY COUNCIL GAVE DIRECTION TO THE, OR ACTUALLY RECEIVED A REPORT.

NO DIRECTION WAS MADE.

AND ITEM 26 THEY RECEIVED A REPORT AND GAVE DIRECTION TO THE LEGAL COUNSEL AND I AM 27 THE RECEIPT OF REPORT AND GAVE DIRECTION TO THE CITY'S LEGAL COUNSEL.