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STAND FOR THE FLAG, THE SILENCE PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF OF THE UNITED STATES, AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION, NATION, UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.MAY WE HAVE ROLL CALL PLEASE, LAURA? OKAY.
UH, COMMISSIONER SOLE PRESENT, COMMISSIONER EDISON PRESENT.
COMMISSIONER CIRCO PRESENT, COMMISSIONER MOROSE PRESENT AND COMMISSIONER P*****K.
PRESENT ALL COMMISSIONERS IN ATTENDANCE.
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WELCOME TO THE CAJON PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.THIS MEETING IS BEING LIVE STREAMED ON THE CITY OF EL CAJON WEBSITE.
APPEALS OF THE FINAL DECISIONS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION MADE THIS EVENING MUST BE FILED IN WRITING WITH THE CITY CLERK BEFORE 5:00 PM FRIDAY, JUNE 27TH, 2025, AND MUST INCLUDE THE PAYMENT OF A FIGHTING FEE.
IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK ON EITHER A NON AGENDA OR AN AGENDA ITEM TONIGHT, PLEASE FILL OUT A REQUEST TO SPEAK CARD LOCATED BY THE AGENDA AND RETURN IT IN INTO THE SECRETARY WHO WILL CALL YOU UP TO SPEAK.
WHEN THE AGENDA ITEM COMES UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, WE ASK THAT YOU GIVE US YOUR NAME, SPELLING YOUR LAST NAME.
SPEAKERS ARE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES.
THE DISPLAY ON THE PODIUM, AS WELL AS THE OTHER MONITORS IN THE CHAMBERS WILL SHOWTIME COUNTING DOWN AT 30 SECONDS.
THE PODIUM CLOCK READOUT WILL TURN RED.
SIGNIFY YOU HAVE 30 SECONDS UNTIL THE END OF YOUR TIME.
APPLICANTS AND INDIVIDUALS REPRESENTING GROUPS OF PEOPLE MAY BE ALLOWED MORE TIME IF APPROPRIATE.
ALL PUBLIC HEARING MEETINGS SHOULD BE ADDRESSED TO ME AS THE CHAIR OF THE COMMISSION AND NOT TO INDIVIDUAL COMMISSIONERS OF THE STAFF MEMBERS.
PLEASE TURN OFF ALL ELECTRONIC DEVICES IF YOU HAVE NOT ALREADY DONE SO PURSUANT TO CITY COUNCIL RESOLUTION NUMBER 1 1 4 DASH 79, A COMMISSIONER HAS RECEIVED EVIDENCE RELATED TO A MATTER BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION OTHER THAN AN UNESCORTED VIEW OF THE SUBJECT.
PROPERTY IS REQUIRED TO DISCUSS SUCH INFORMA DISCLOSE SUCH INFORMATION AT THE HEARING.
AT THIS TIME, WE WILL TAKE COMMENTS FROM ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC ON ANY ITEM OF BUSINESS WITHIN THE JURISDICTION OF THE COMMISSION.
THAT IS NOT ON THE AGENDA UNDER STATE LAW.
NO ACTION CAN BE TAKEN ON ITEMS AND BROUGHT FORWARD UNDER PUBLIC COMMENT EXCEPT TO REFER IT TO STAFF FOR ADMINISTRATION OR PLACE IT ON A FUTURE AGENDA.
IS THERE ANYONE WHO WISHES TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION UNDER PUBLIC COMMENT? PLEASE COME FORWARD.
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NOW WE GET TO THE, UH, CONSENT CALENDAR.A SINGLE MOTION WILL COVER ALL ITEMS ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR.
DOES THE COMMISSION WISH TO PULL A CONSENT CALENDAR ITEM FOR DISCUSSION? NO.
MR. CHAIR, THE STAFF WISH TO PULL A CONSENT CALENDAR ITEM FOR DISCUSSION.
I MOVE TO ADOPT THE MINUTES AS RECORDED.
UH, MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER CIRCLE, UH, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER P*****K.
MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.
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OKAY.THE SECOND ITEM IS THE PALMS RESTAURANT AND BANQUET HALL.
THE REQUEST IS TO CONSIDER REVOCATION OF CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT NUMBER 2115, UH, NOT SUBJECT TO THE CQA AND, UH, THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS TO REVOKE UP 2115 STAFF.
UH, SO STARTING HERE WITH A PICTURE OF THE SUBJECT SITE, UH, ON EAST MAIN STREET, UM, THE EXISTING PALMS, UH, RESTAURANT IN BANQUET HALL IS AUTHORIZED BY CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT 2 1 1 5.
UH, THAT, AGAIN, WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED IN 2010.
UM, I JUST WANTED TO NOTE FOR THE RECORD, AT THAT TIME, UH, THE APPLICANT HAD REQUESTED TO OPERATE A BANQUET
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HALL, UM, OR MEETING SPACE, UM, AT THE FACILITY, MR. CHAIRMAN.SO STARTING, SORRY ABOUT THAT.
AND THAT WENT, UH, ALL THE WAY TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
UM, ULTIMATELY THE CITY COUNCIL, UH, CONTINUED THE HEARING, REFERRED THE ITEM BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, AND THAT'S WHEN THE PLANNING COMMISSION ACTUALLY APPROVED, UH, A RESTAURANT WITH OCCASIONAL BANQUET USE, AND THAT, AGAIN, WAS APPROVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL AS WELL.
SO THE, THE CURRENT REVIEW PROCESS THAT WE ARE WORKING ON RIGHT NOW STARTED IN DECEMBER OF 2023, AND THAT WAS WHEN IT WAS, IT WAS OBSERVED THE FACILITY WAS NOT BEING OPERATED AS A RESTAURANT.
SO, UM, IT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR, UH, MORE THAN 18 MONTHS AT THIS POINT.
UM, THIS IS ACTUALLY THE SIXTH HEARING, OR THE SIXTH MEETING THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS CONDUCTED.
SO I LISTED ALL THE, THE HEARING DATES HERE, UM, OVER THAT TIME PERIOD AND THE SIXTH MEETINGS, WE HAVE HEARD FROM MULTIPLE, UH, OPERATORS AND REPRESENTATIVES, UM, ALL INDICATING THAT THEY WOULD BE WORKING WITH STAFF TO COMPLY WITH THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
UH, BUT AT THIS TIME, WE STILL HAVE NOT SEEN COMPLIANCE WITH THE REQUIREMENT TO OPERATE AS A RESTAURANT.
SO SINCE THE APRIL 1ST PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, UH, I MADE A TOTAL OF 20 SITE VISITS, UH, TO THE PROPERTY.
I MADE THOSE ON VARIOUS DAYS OF THE WEEK, INCLUDING WEEKENDS AT DIFFERENT TIMES OF THE DAY AT LUNCHTIME, AS WELL AS IN THE EVENINGS.
UM, OVER THE COURSE OF THAT, I PREPARED, UH, IN THE ATTACHMENTS TO THE REPORTS, UM, UH, SYNOPSIS OF THOSE EVENTS WITH NOTES ABOUT EACH SITE VISIT AND WHAT I OBSERVED, UM, A TOTAL OF EIGHT TIMES.
UM, I WAS, UH, PRESENTED WITH A PRIVATE EVENT EITHER OCCURRING.
UM, AND SO THAT EQUATES TO ESSENTIALLY 40% OF THE TOTAL TIMES THAT I WENT TO THE PROPERTY.
IT WAS NOT BEING OPERATED AS A RESTAURANT.
UM, I ALSO WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT, UH, ON THE TWO PICTURES THAT ARE SHOWN HERE, THE PICTURE ON THE RIGHT, UH, THAT WAS TAKEN ON SATURDAY, MAY 17TH.
AND SO THAT WAS ACTUALLY DURING THE AMERICA ON MAIN STREET, UH, EVENT THAT THE CITY, UH, HOSTED, UM, SOME ADDITIONAL, UH, SITE INSPECTION PHOTOGRAPHS HERE.
UH, ON TWO OCCASIONS OF THE EIGHT OCCASIONS WHERE PRIVATE EVENTS WERE OCCURRING, I DID ENCOUNTER, UM, SCREENING, UM, CURTAINS, UH, THAT WERE ACROSS THE FRONT OF THE DOOR.
THAT'S THE PICTURE ON THE LEFT THERE.
SO THAT THERE WAS ABSOLUTELY NO VISIBILITY, UM, SHOWN TO THE INTERIOR, UH, OF THE BUSINESS.
UM, ADDITIONALLY, I TRIED TO CAPTURE WHAT WAS HAPPENING ON THE OUTDOOR DINING AREA ON EACH OCCASION, UM, FOR THE OUTDOOR DINING AREA.
I NEVER ONCE SAW, UM, ANYONE, UH, CONSUMING FOOD OUT THERE.
OCCASIONALLY THERE'D BE SOMEONE SEAT SEATED THERE, BUT IT APPEARED TO ME THAT THEY WERE PROBABLY JUST A PASSERBY THAT HAD STOPPED TO USE THEIR PHONE OR TO SEND A TEXT MESSAGE, UM, ON THE OCCASIONS THAT THE BUSINESS WAS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, WHAT I DID OBSERVE WAS, UM, TYPICALLY, UH, EMPTY TABLES ALONG EAST MAIN STREET WITH MAYBE A SMALL GROUP OF PEOPLE, UH, PLAYING CARDS TOWARDS THE BACK OF THE BUSINESS.
SO IT REALLY MORE, UM, CONSISTENT WITH THE CONDUCT OF A CARD ROOM, BUT NOT REALLY AS A RESTAURANT.
UM, SO THESE ARE REPRESENTATIVE OF THOSE TIMES WHEN A PRIVATE EVENT WAS NOT OCCURRING.
SO THIS SIDE SHOWS THE REQUIRED FINDINGS, UH, FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION THIS EVENING.
SO THE FINDINGS ARE THE QUESTION ESSENTIALLY THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS BEING PRESENTED WITH.
SO WHAT YOU'RE BEING ASKED TO DO TONIGHT IS TO LOOK AT WHETHER OR NOT THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IS BEING EXERCISED AS IT WAS APPROVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL.
SO AGAIN, THE, UH, THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVED A RESTAURANT WITH OCCASIONAL BANQUET, UH, BANQUET USE OR PRIVATE EVENTS.
UM, SO BASED ON, UH, STAFF'S OBSERVATIONS AND INSPECTIONS, UH, WE CAN SEE THAT IT'S CLEARLY NOT BEING OPERATED AS A RESTAURANT.
I JUST WANTED TO EMPHASIZE THIS HERE BECAUSE IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE'RE NOT HERE THIS EVENING TO NEGOTIATE WITH THE APPLICANT WHEN IT COMES TO THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL OR TO TALK ABOUT HOW THE BUSINESS COULD BE CHANGED.
THE QUESTION FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS SPECIFICALLY, IS IT BEING OPERATED AS A RESTAURANT AS APPROVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL? UH, WITH ONLY OCCASIONAL, UM, PRIVATE EVENTS, AND THAT'S CLEARLY NOT THE CASE.
SO FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS, UH, STAFF DID RECEIVE AN AL A LETTER FROM THE EL CAJON, UH, BUSINESS PARTNERS.
UM, THE LETTER WAS SENT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, THIS MORNING.
IT WAS, UH, RECEIVED ON MONDAY.
UM, THE LETTER REFERENCES, UH, LONG STRETCHES OF TIME, UH, WHERE THE BUSINESS HAS BEEN OPERATED EXCLUSIVELY AS A PRIVATE HALL OR AS AN EVENT SPACE.
UM, IT ALSO INDICATES THAT THERE'S NO REGULAR HOURS FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC.
SO THAT WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH, UH, WHAT I EXPERIENCED WHEN I VISITED THE SITE.
UM, IF I WERE TO BE JUST A, A NORMAL, UH, RESTAURANT PATRON AND I WERE TO GO TO VISIT THE SITE, UM, IT WOULD BE UNLIKELY THAT I WOULD ENCOUNTER THE RESTAURANT TO BE OPEN BASED ON THE, UH, SITE VISITS THAT I MADE.
SO, UH, BASED ON THIS INFORMATION, THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS TO CONDUCT THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN TO ADOPT THE NEXT RESOLUTION IN ORDER TO REVOKE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
UM, AGAIN, IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, DECIDES TO REVOKE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, UH, THE APPLICANT WOULD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO APPEAL THAT DECISION TO THE CITY COUNCIL SO THEY COULD CONTINUE TO TAKE ACTION DURING THAT APPEAL PERIOD AND CONTINUE TO OPERATE, UM, UNTIL THE CITY COUNCIL MAKES THAT FINAL DECISION.
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SO WITH THAT, UH, THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
UH, I DON'T HAVE ANY, UH, FELLOW COMMISSIONERS.
UH, COMMISSIONER ROSE, WHAT YEAR WAS THAT? CUP FOR THE RESTAURANT ORIGINALLY? GRANTED, IT WAS APPROVED IN 2010.
AND TO YOUR KNOWLEDGE, HAS IT EVER OPERATED IN THE CAPACITY OF A RESTAURANT? UH, WHAT I WOULD SAY IS THAT, UH, AFTER IT WAS APPROVED, UM, IT'S, IT BEGAN OPERATING.
UM, WE HAVE OBSERVED IT OPERATING MORE IN LINE WITH A PRIVATE, UH, CLUB OR FACILITY.
UM, I WOULD SAY THAT, UH, BASED ON OUR LEVEL OF STAFFING AND CODE COMPLIANCE, THAT WE ARE NOT ACTIVELY GOING OUT AND INSPECTING, UH, USES LIKE THIS.
SO IT REALLY, UH, COMES ON A COMPLAINT BASIS.
SO IN THIS INSTANCE, WE RECEIVED A COMPLAINT, UH, THAT INITIATED THIS 18TH MONTH PROCESS THAT WE'RE IN NOW, AND THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE ALLOCATED RESOURCES TO THAT TO INSPECT IT AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE OPERATING IN COMPLIANCE.
HOW MANY COMPLAINTS DID YOU GUYS RECEIVE? UH, IT WAS JUST ONE VERBAL COMPLAINT.
UM, WHAT WAS THE REASON? WAS THERE EVER A REQUEST TO MAKE IT A BANQUET HALL? YEAH, THE ORIGINAL, UH, CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT APPLICATION THAT WAS SUBMITTED IN 2010, UH, BY DAVID MILLAR, UH, THE PROPERTY OWNER, UH, WAS FOR IT TO BE A BANQUET HALL.
SO THAT WENT, UH, TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAD, UH, RECOMMENDED, UH, DENIAL OF THAT TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
WHEN IT WENT TO CITY COUNCIL, UH, THE CITY COUNCIL DISCUSSED IT AND THEY, UM, THE APPLICANT, UH, INDICATED THAT HE WANTED TO WORK ON HIS, UH, PROPOSAL.
THE ITEM WAS REFERRED BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, AND THAT'S WHEN THEY CHANGED THE, UH, PROPOSAL TO BE A RESTAURANT WITH ONLY OCCASIONAL BANQUET USE.
AND I THINK AT THAT TIME WE DID HAVE A LOT OF APPLICATIONS FOR BANQUET HALLS, CRYSTAL BALLROOM, UH, BABYLON PALACE, A FEW OTHERS.
SO YEAH, I DO, I DO THINK I REMEMBER THAT.
WHEN IT WAS TO BE PARTIALLY BANQUET, PARTIALLY RESTAURANT, WAS THERE ANY PERCENTAGE GIVEN, OR WAS IT JUST WAS SUPPOSED TO BE AS BOTH WAYS? IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE.
SO IT WAS NEVER, UM, INTENDED TO BE PARTIALLY BANQUET USE.
IT WAS ALWAYS TO BE WHEN IT WAS APPROVED TO BE A RESTAURANT.
AND THE APPLICANT'S, UM, PROJECT NARRATIVE SAID IT WAS GONNA BE OCCASIONAL USE.
AND SO, UM, WHEN IT WAS APPROVED IN THE RESOLUTION, IT SAYS ANCILLARY BANQUET HALL USE MM-HMM
AND SO IN THE ZONING CODE, THE TERM ANCILLARY TYPICALLY REFERS TO 15% OR LESS.
UM, SO THAT'S TYPICAL OF, LIKE IN A RETAIL ZONE, YOU CAN HAVE 15% WHOLESALE, OR IN A WHOLESALE ZONE YOU CAN HAVE 15% RETAIL.
AND SO THAT'S THE, UM, THE METRIC THAT WE'VE USED TO ANALYZE IT.
AND I KNOW IN 2017, THEY TRIED TO MAKE IT ADULT DAYCARE AND THAT WAS DENIED.
SO IT WAS BACK TO THE ORIGINAL WHAT IT IS RIGHT NOW.
WAS THERE EVER PLANS AT ANY POINT GIVEN AS TO HOW THEY'RE GONNA SET IT UP, OR WAS IT ALWAYS JUST THAT HUGE KIND OF BANQUET HALL SETUP THAT IT'S ALWAYS BEEN? UM, WHEN IT WAS APPROVED, IT WAS ALWAYS KIND OF THE LARGE OPEN SPACE, UH, KIND OF BANQUET HALL LAYOUT.
UM, IN 2010, UH, WHEN THE HEARINGS WERE CONDUCTED AND THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT HAVING A BANQUET HALL, THEY WENT THROUGH DIFFERENT ITERATIONS OF MAYBE HAVING A RETAIL SPACE THAT WENT BACK A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF FEET.
UH, BUT THAT WAS NEVER, UM, IT NEVER WAS WORKED OUT, AND THEY DECIDED TO WITHDRAW THAT REQUEST.
SO IT WAS NEVER FULLY ANALYZED.
UM, I'LL OPEN, UH, THE PUBLIC HEARING.
DO WE HAVE A SPEAKER CARDS? LAURA? UH, YES.
THE FIRST SPEAKER OF VINCE CATULA.
HOW DO YOU SPELL KALA? K-A-T-T-O-U-L-A.
AND I UNDERSTAND YOU NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN, UH, THREE MINUTES.
CAN I PLEASE HAVE, UH, SEVEN MINUTES? YES, YOU CAN.
GOOD EVENING, CHAIRMAN SOLE AND MEMBERS OF THE CAJON PLANNING COMMISSION.
MY NAME IS VINCE ULA, AND I REPRESENT THE SOON TO BE NEW OWNERS OF THE PALMS RESTAURANT AND BANQUET HALL.
WITH ME TODAY ARE A FEW OF THE MEMBERS OF THE NEW OWNERSHIP GROUP, INCLUDING JEFF AND RAMON MANSOUR.
AT THE LAST HEARING ON APRIL 1ST, WE MADE SEVERAL PROMISES TO THIS COMMISSION.
WE TOLD YOU ALL THAT WE WOULD BEGIN OPENING FOR LUNCH, THAT WE WOULD OPERATE PRIMARILY AS A RESTAURANT, THAT WE WOULD CONTINUE TO REMAIN OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, AND THAT WE WOULD BRING THE PALMS INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THE EXISTING CUP.
BEFORE THIS MEETING, WE ARE HERE BEFORE YOU TONIGHT TO EX EXPLAIN EXACTLY HOW WE HAVE UPHELD ALL OF OUR PROMISES AND HOW WE'VE GONE ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT WE SAID WE WERE GOING TO DO.
WE GOT A NEW MENU, WHICH YOU SEE HERE,
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AND I'M GONNA ALSO HAND IT OUT AS WELL.UH, MR. CATULA, IF YOU HAVE, UH, LIKE THE MENU YOU WANNA SHARE, GIVE IT TO THE SECRETARY.
WILL DO SO OUR ATTORNEY CAN TAKE A LOOK AT IT.
UH, BEGINNING MAY 8TH, WE ALSO BEGAN OPENING UP FOR LUNCH AT 11:00 AM AND BUSINESSES SLOWLY BUILDING UP DURING THE SLOW HOURS RIGHT AFTER LUNCH AND BEFORE DINNER, USUALLY BETWEEN ONE 30 TO SIX, WE OCCASIONALLY HOST FUNERALS.
THERE'S VIRTUALLY NO BUSINESS DURING THAT TIME, AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, RIGHT AFTER LUNCH AND BEFORE DINNER IN DOWNTOWN EL CAJON.
SO WE TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT TIME TO MAKE A COUPLE EXTRA BUCKS BY PROVIDING A VENUE FOR GRIEVING FAMILIES.
WE SEE IT AS A SERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY.
WE'VE ALSO SIGNED UP WITH DOORDASH, BUT IT HAS NOT BEEN THE SMOOTHEST PROCESS.
THE STAFF REPORT DID INDICATE THAT THEY COULD NOT FIND US ONLINE ON ANY ORDERING PLATFORMS, AND HERE'S WHY.
DOORDASH SENT OUR MACHINE TO THE WRONG ADDRESS, WHICH YOU SEE HERE, AND IT HAS BEEN A COMPLETE PAIN TO ONBOARD, DEACTIVATE THE MACHINE THAT WAS INCORRECTLY SHIPPED, ORDER A NEW MACHINE AND GET IT SET UP, WHICH WE NOW ARE SET UP WITH DOORDASH.
AND YOU'LL SEE THIS EMAIL RIGHT HERE BACK IN, IN JUNE, JUNE 9TH, SAYING THAT IT'S ON ITS WAY.
AND THEN FINALLY, THE EVIDENCE, THE SMOKING GUN THAT WE ARE OPERATING AS A BONAFIDE EATING PLACE AS DEFINED BY ALCOHOL BEVERAGE CONTROL.
WE DID ALMOST $90,000 IN SALES THROUGH OVER 2000 INDIVIDUAL ITEMS SOLD IN MAY ALONE.
I DON'T KNOW OF ANY COMPARABLE RESTAURANTS WITHIN THE DOWNTOWN AREA THAT'S DOING THESE TYPE OF NUMBERS, ESPECIALLY AFTER NEW OWNERSHIP ON MONTH ONE.
I ALSO BROUGHT A RECEIPT, WHICH CANNOT BE MANIPULATED IN THE CLOVER SYSTEM THAT BREAKS DOWN EXACTLY WHAT ITEMS WERE SOLD, HOW MUCH WAS SOLD BY EACH EMPLOYEE FOR THE ENTIRE MONTH OF MAY, THAT I WILL ALSO PASS AROUND.
THE PHOTOS IN THE STAFF REPORT DON'T ENTIRELY TELL THE WHOLE STORY, AND I WANNA TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO WALK YOU THROUGH EACH SERIES OF PHOTOS IN THE STAFF REPORT.
BUT BEFORE I DO THAT, I WANNA PUT IN THE RECORD THAT SINCE APRIL 1ST, APPROXIMATELY 75 DAYS AGO, WE'VE ONLY HAD FIVE PRIVATE EVENTS, WHICH IS APPROXIMATELY 6%, FAR LESS THAN THE 15%.
WE ARE ALLOTTED FIVE PER MONTH.
ON FOUR 14, WE HAD A FUNERAL, BUT WE WERE OPEN FOR DINNER AT SIX, WHICH IS THE, THE WHOLE GOAL OF DOWNTOWN BEING AVAILABLE, OPEN TO DINERS IN THE EVENING, 4 24.
AS THE STAFF REPORT MISTAKENLY IDENTIFIED, THOSE ARE JUST TABLES SET UP FOR A LARGER GROUP.
YOU CAN SEE THE REGULAR DINERS IN THE BACK OF THAT PICTURE.
FIVE 15, WE HAD A FUNERAL, BUT WE'RE OPEN FOR DINNER AT 6 5 17.
YES, WE WERE CLOSED FOR A QUINCEANERA FIVE 18.
WE HAD A PUBLIC COMMUNITY EVENT.
THE BIZARRE THAT YOU SEE HERE, I MEAN, I, I CAN'T IMAGINE WE'RE BEING PENALIZED FOR PROVIDING A PUBLIC VENUE FOR MIDDLE EASTERN REFUGEE WOMEN TO MAKE A COUPLE BUCKS AS ENTREPRENEURS.
ARE WE REALLY GETTING DINGED FOR THAT HERE? 5 22? WE HAVE DIFFERENT SEATING ARRANGEMENTS, AND YOU COULD TELL THAT IT'S NOT A, UH, PRIVATE EVENT BECAUSE THERE'S NO DECORATIONS.
IT'S OUR TABLES THAT ARE SET UP IN A DIFFERENT WAY.
5 29, WE HAVE A FUNERAL, BUT WE'RE ALSO OPEN AT SIX.
AND THE SAME THING FOR, UH, SIX NINE.
AND I WANNA TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO ALSO WALK YOU THROUGH OUR UNIQUE BUSINESS, THESE TYPES OF FACILITIES, THESE TYPES OF HALLS, IF YOU WILL.
RESTAURANTS, WE CALL 'EM NADIS BACK HOME.
AND NADI IN ARABIC CAN BEST BE DEFINED AS A SOCIAL GATHERING PLACE WHERE YOU GO AFTER WORK, YOU GET A DRINK, YOU GET A BITE TO EAT, PLAY A BOARD GAME, OR CARDS WITH YOUR FRIENDS.
THIS RIGHT HERE IS A CONDE NASTE ARTICLE SHOWING THE DIFFERENT NADS IN BAGHDAD.
IF CONDE NASTE CAN ACKNOWLEDGE NADDIS, I CERTAINLY HOPE THAT THE CITY OF EL CAJON CAN AS WELL.
THEY JUST DON'T LOOK EXACTLY LIKE HOW THEY WOULD IN THE MIDDLE EAST OR THE MIDDLE EASTERN VERSIONS OF NADI.
WHAT I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED WITH ABOUT TONIGHT IS THAT THERE MAY BE A LACK OF CULTURAL AWARENESS HERE, WHERE A USE MAY APPEAR TO BE SOMETHING THAT IT ISN'T.
HERE'S A VIDEO OF EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENS AT THE NATTY NIGHT.
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NIGHT.YOU SEE GUYS ORDERING FOOD, PLAYING CARDS, DRINKING, HAVING A GOOD TIME WITH THEIR FRIENDS.
THEY USUALLY SHOW UP RIGHT AROUND SIX O'CLOCK AFTER WORK.
YOU CAN SEE FOOD ON THE TABLE.
EVERYBODY'S HERE WITH THEIR OWN CLICK, OR A GROUP OF FRIENDS OR FAMILY.
ONE OF THE COMMENTS WE KEEP HEARING IS HOW THE PALMS IS NOT ATTRACTING VISITORS TO THE DOWNTOWN AREA.
THIS WAS BINGO LAST THURSDAY, COMPLETELY OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.
I MEAN, WHERE ELSE CAN YOU FIND ENTERTAINMENT LIKE THIS IN DOWNTOWN EL CAJON ON A THURSDAY NIGHT, AGAIN, COMPLETELY OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.
YOU SEE KIDS, YOU SEE WOMEN, YOU SEE, SORRY, NO KIDS, UH,
YOU SEE WOMEN, YOU SEE FAMILIES.
EVERYBODY'S HAVING A GOOD TIME ORDERING FOOD, SPENDING MONEY, AND GETTING SOME ENTERTAINMENT.
AT THE LAST MEETING, THERE WAS A FRIVOLOUS CLAIM THAT THERE, WE WERE JUST SHUFFLING OWNERS.
HERE IS THE EVIDENCE TO PROVE OTHERWISE.
THIS IS THE EXECUTED PURCHASE AND SALES AGREEMENT.
UH, THIS INFORMATION HAS ALSO BEEN SHARED WITH THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE.
AND THEN FINALLY, WE, WE PLAN ON INVESTING OVER $800,000 INTO THIS VENTURE, INCLUDING THE BUSINESS ACQUISITION.
AND HERE ARE THE RENDERINGS OF WHAT WE HOPE IT WILL LOOK LIKE AFTER WE CLOSE.
THIS IS A SHOT FROM MAIN STREET.
THIS IS THE PATIO ALONG MAIN STREET.
THIS IS THE NEW SEATING LAYOUT.
YOU SEE THE BAR ALL THE WAY IN THE BACK.
I COULD HAVE EASILY HAD SEVERAL DOZEN SPEAKERS HERE TONIGHT, BUT I DIDN'T, OUT OF RESPECT FOR YOUR TIME, THEY WOULD'VE BEEN ASKING YOU WHY THEIR BELOVED PALMS RESTAURANT, A HAVEN AWAY FROM HOME IS BEING TARGETED.
HOW COME OTHER RESTAURANTS LIKE THE DOWNTOWN CAFE OR EO STEAKHOUSE AREN'T REQUIRED TO OPEN FOR LUNCH? WE'VE DONE EVERYTHING YOU'VE ASKED US TO DO IN A VERY SHORT PERIOD OF TIME.
AND OUR REQUEST TONIGHT IS THAT YOU REJECT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION AND YOU FIND THAT THE PALMS IS IN CONFORMANCE WITH CUP 2 1 15 BASED ON THE FACTS PRESENTED IN THIS PRESENTATION.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. CATULA? FELLOW COMMISSIONERS? GO AHEAD.
UH, UH, REBECCA, UH, COMMISSIONER REBECCA OCK ROAD REALLY QUICKLY, BECAUSE IT HAS AN, WAS AN ESCROW, HAS IT CLOSED YET, OR IS IT STILL AN ESCROW? WE PLAN ON CLOSING AS SOON AS WE GET THE GREEN LIGHT FROM THE CITY, THAT IT'S SAFE FOR US TO MAKE THIS INVESTMENT.
UH, COMMISSIONER EDISON? UH, I JUST WANNA PUSH BACK A LITTLE BIT ON SOME OF THE THINGS.
I BELIEVE WHAT THE COMMISSION WAS SAYING WAS THAT WE'VE BEEN GIVEN A LOT OF DIFFERENT, I DON'T WANNA CALL 'EM PROMISES, BUT WE'LL CALL IT PROMISES, SAYING WE'RE GONNA DO THIS.
WE'VE HAD SEVERAL DIFFERENT SPEAKERS.
THE LAST OWNER CAME WITH COUNSEL, WHICH IS FINE.
AND THEY SAID THAT WE WERE, THEY WERE GONNA BE THE NEW, UM, UH, TALKING POINT.
IT'S SOLD, UM, FROM WHAT I'M SEEING IN THE STAFF REPORT.
AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT EVERYTHING YOU'RE DOING IS OUTTA COMPLIANCE.
UM, I DON'T WANT TO DEAL OFF OBS ABSOLUTES.
WHAT I AM SAYING IS, IS THAT THERE IS SOME KIND OF A PROBLEM.
I MEAN, THERE'S PICTURES SHOWING THAT THE WINDOWS ARE COVERED.
AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT WAS BROUGHT BEFORE THE COMMISSION.
THAT IS, YOU GOTTA ADMIT, I MEAN, PROOF IS IN THE PUDDING THERE.
AS FAR AS HAVING, YOU KNOW, THE DIFFERENT CULTURAL EVENTS.
I MEAN, BEING, I'VE HEARD THAT COMMENT LIKE FOUR OR FIVE TIMES NOW, UH, BEING HALF EGYPTIAN, IT KIND OF KEEPS BOTHERING ME.
I WILL TELL YOU THAT YOU CAN HAVE CULTURAL EVENTS AND YOU CAN HAVE BANQUETS, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, NOT MAKE THEM VERY PUBLIC.
SO NOBODY WILL REALLY KNOW ABOUT 'EM.
I THINK ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT THE CITY HAS, AND I DRIVE PAST THAT PLACE ALL THE TIME, IT DOESN'T HAVE, AND I NOT GOING BY YOUR RENDERINGS.
'CAUSE I MEAN, THAT LOOKS FANTASTIC GOING BY WHAT WE SEE TODAY.
IT'S NOT INVITING AND IT'S NOT, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM, IS NOT A REALLY GOOD FIT BASED UPON TODAY.
IF THE QUESTION THAT'S BEFORE US TODAY IS IF THEY'RE IN COMPLIANCE, THAT'S THE QUESTION WE'RE DEALING WITH NOW.
NOT WHAT'S GONNA, WHAT'S COMING.
THAT'S THE PROBLEM WE'RE HAVING RIGHT NOW.
AND IT'S BEEN 18 MONTHS, SO IT'S REALLY TOUGH.
AND YOU'RE COMING IN BRAND NEW IF A LOT OF ENERGY.
BUT THE QUESTIONS GIVEN TO US TODAY IS, ARE THEY IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE CUP TODAY? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, MR.
LAURA, DO WE HAVE ANOTHER SPEAKER CARD? UH, YES, I HAVE A CARD.
AND HOW, HOW DO YOU SPELL, UH, TURIN LIKE TURPENTINE.
I KNOW YOU VOLUNTEER YOUR TIME TO DO THIS.
I CAME TO VOUCH FOR, UM, THE APPLICANT'S
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PERSONAL CHARACTER.I KNOW MR. MANSOUR THROUGH HIS CHARITABLE ENDEAVORS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY.
I KNOW HIM PERSONALLY, I KNOW HIS FAMILY.
UM, HE CHOOSES TO RESIDE IN THE CITY OF EL CAJON.
HE OWNS SEVERAL BUSINESSES WITHIN THE CITY, ALL OF WHICH I WOULD CONSIDER ARE VERY WELL RUN, WELL MAINTAINED BUSINESSES.
I'M NOT SURE WHAT'S HAPPENED IN THE PAST.
UH, AND YOU'RE RIGHT, IT SOUNDS LIKE ONLY UNTIL RECENTLY, UNTIL MR. MANSOUR HAS BEEN MANAGING THIS, IT'S FELL INTO COMPLIANCE.
UM, BUT I CAN ASSURE YOU, IF YOU MAKE THE DECISION TO MOVE FORWARD AND KEEPING THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, THIS GENTLEMAN WILL BE AN ASSET TO THE DOWNTOWN AREA AND THE EL CAJON COMMUNITY.
ANY, UM, ANY OTHER SPEAKER CARDS? YES, WE HAVE ONE.
I'M THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE DOWNTOWN EL CAJON BUSINESS PARTNERS, THE COMPANY, NEW CITY AMERICA.
JUST RECENTLY GOT THAT CONTRACT.
WE MANAGE MULTIPLE DISTRICTS THROUGHOUT THE STATE, UM, INCLUDING LITTLE ITALY AND DOWNTOWN CHULA VISTA AND NOW DOWNTOWN EL CAJON.
UH, VINCE, THAT WAS A VERY, VERY GOOD PRESENTATION.
I'VE GONE BY THE PALMS, NOT AS MUCH AS A LOT OF YOU, BUT PLEASE KEEP IN MIND THAT IN LITTLE ITALY, WHEN I FIRST STARTED WORKING THERE, WE HAD 12 RESTAURANTS.
WE DIDN'T LOSE ONE DURING COVID.
SO I'M PRETTY AWARE OF THE WAY AN OPERATE, UH, RESTAURANT SHOULD BE OPERATING.
YOU SEE A LOT OF ACTIVITY IN THE MORNING IN TERMS OF FOOD BEING DROPPED OFF, EMPLOYEES GETTING READY IF THEY'RE OPEN FOR LUNCH, AND THEY'RE THERE FOR LUNCH, DINNER.
AND THEN OUR RESTAURANTS MOSTLY CLOSED AT 10 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT.
THERE'S A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT WERE IN THE, UH, REPORT THAT YOU DID, UM, A YEAR AGO.
O OH, I CAN'T REMEMBER THE LAST DATE, BUT THEY SPELLED OUT SPECIFIC THINGS.
AND I THINK THE ONE THAT, AND I'M NOT GONNA GO THROUGH ALL OF THEM THAT I LISTED IN MY LETTER, BUT I THINK THAT THE KEY THING IS THAT THE FACIL, IT SAYS THE FACILITY IS BASED, THE PROPOSAL WILL ENHANCE THE PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED ATMOSPHERE IN DOWNTOWN AND CONTRIBUTE TO THE VIBRANCY OF DOWNTOWN BY ATTRACTING MORE PEOPLE TO THE AREA.
AND IT APPEARS FOR, AT LEAST FROM MY LIMITED OBSERVATION, THAT THE FACILITY IS BASED IN THE HEART OF DOWNTOWN, IS MORE OF A CLUB THAN IT IS A RESTAURANT ATTRACTING PEOPLE FROM OUTSIDE OF DOWNTOWN.
YOU ALSO SAY THE USE OF THE RESTAURANT FOR BANQUETS PRIVATE MEETINGS SHALL ONLY OCCUR AS LONG AS THE RESTAURANT IS OPERATING AS THE PRIMARY USE OF THE SITE.
IF THE RESTAURANT CEASES TO OPERATE IN THE PRIMARY USE OF THE SITE AND BANQUETS AND PRIVATE MEETINGS SHALL BE PROHIBITED.
SO JUST TO SUM UP, I THINK THAT IF IN FACT THE PLANS ARE GOING FORWARD AS THEY'VE BEEN PRESENTED, I THINK THAT'S GREAT.
IT BECOMES AN ASSET TO DOWNTOWN.
I WOULD QUESTION WHETHER OR NOT TODAY IT IS AN ASSET TO DOWNTOWN.
YOU HAVE A 75 FOOT FRONTAGE HOLE IN THE MIDDLE OF DOWNTOWN.
THAT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE, AT LEAST IN A LOT OF THE EVENTS THAT WE'VE BEEN HOLDING TO BE THAT ACTIVE CAR SHOWS BRINGS IN A LOT OF PEOPLE.
THE CONCERTS BRING IN A LOT OF PEOPLE, ART OF ALL BROUGHT IN A LOT OF PEOPLE.
BUT IT SEEMS THOUGH THERE WERE MANY PEOPLE THAT WERE, UH, RESPONDED AND STATED THAT THEY DID GREAT BUSINESS ON THOSE DAYS.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO NOW.
WE'RE TRYING TO CHANGE THE ENTIRE NARRATIVE.
AND JUST TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON THE BOARD, SINCE WE'VE TAKEN OVER, THE MAGNOLIA IS NOW ON OUR BOARD, THE MARRIOTT IS NOW ON OUR BOARD COUNTY REPRESENTATIVES OF NOW ARE ON OUR BOARD.
WE HAVE A VIBRANT, UH, COMMITTEE SYSTEM.
AND I WOULD ASK THAT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE TALKING ABOUT BUYING COME AND PRESENT THEIR IDEAS TO OUR COMMITTEES.
AND IF WE SEEM COMFORTABLE WITH THEIR EFFORTS ON A TIMELY BASIS TO MOVE FORWARD AND OPEN THAT RESTAURANT SEVEN DAYS A WEEK, UNDERSTANDING THAT OTHER PARTIES CAN BE USING IT FOR FUNERALS OR OTHER FAMILY OCCASIONS, THAT WOULD BE A GOOD THING.
BUT RIGHT NOW, IT'S NOT THAT POSITIVE THING.
AND I THINK THAT THE COMMISSION SHOULD STATE, MAKE A RECOMMENDATION AS STAFF HAD PROPOSED.
AND IF THEY COME BACK WITH SOMETHING, THEN THEY SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO OPERATE AS A RESTAURANT AS THEY SEE FIT.
BUT AT THIS POINT, IT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE GOING IN THAT DIRECTION.
ANY QUESTION FOR, UH, MR. YEAH.
UM, HOW LONG, UH, WHAT'S THE VISION FOR DOWNTOWN EL CAJON? GREAT QUESTION.
ABOUT 10 OR 15 MORE SIT DOWN RESTAURANTS BECAUSE OF FOOD ATTRACTS PEOPLE AND ALSO MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT.
I TOOK A TOUR WITH MR. BERG LAST WEEK.
UM, RICK, UH, KOZE IS FROM MICHIGAN, BUT HIS SISTER IS HERE.
THEY'RE DOING THE MIXED USE PROJECT AT, UH, MAGNOLIA AND MAINE.
TOOK US THROUGH THE GROUND FLOOR, SECOND FLOOR, ALL
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THE SUITES.THAT'S THE FUTURE OF DOWNTOWN EL CAJON IS MIXED USE PEOPLE LIVING IN DOWNTOWN EL CAJON.
SO THAT'S WHAT OUR PRIORITY IS TO GET A LOT MORE ACTIVITY.
YOU ATTRACT PEOPLE BY HAVING GREAT FOOD, APPARENTLY, THAT THEY DO HAVE GOOD FOOD AND THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THAT.
BUT WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE FACT THAT NO ONE'S BUILDING OFFICE BUILDINGS ANYMORE FOR DOWNTOWN THE FUTURE OF ALL DOWNTOWNS.
I DON'T CARE WHERE YOU ARE AND I WORK ALL THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY, IS MIXED USE.
WE NEED TO HAVE PEOPLE LIVING IN DOWNTOWN.
AND THAT'LL BEGIN TO FLIP WHAT'S GOING ON IN DOWNTOWN.
WHAT, WHAT DO YOU, WHAT'S THE TIMELINE LIKE, HOW LONG DO YOU THINK THAT'LL TAKE? HOW LONG DID IT TAKE TO GET 10 RESTAURANTS TO 80 IN LITTLE ITALY? IT HAPPENED PRETTY QUICKLY.
ONCE WE TURNED THE CORNER, THEN A LOT OF PEOPLE WANTED, THERE WERE DERELICT OLD BUILDINGS THAT WERE SALONS THAT BECAME RESTAURANTS BECAUSE PEOPLE SAW THAT THEY COULD GO THERE AND THEY COULD MAKE MONEY DOING THOSE THINGS.
SO TO ME, OUR GOAL IS TO HAVE THIS HAPPEN WITHIN ABOUT 18 MONTHS TO ATTRACT AS MANY NEW RESTAURANTS AS POSSIBLE, SUPPORT THE EXISTING RESTAURANTS, AND TRY TO FACILITATE AS MUCH MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT.
I'M FORTUNATE THAT I KNOW A LOT OF DEVELOPERS THAT HAVE LOOKED AT EL CAJON FOR A LONG TIME, DOWNTOWN EL CAJON AND SEE POTENTIAL, BUT THEY HAVEN'T BEEN BROUGHT IN AND, UH, EXPLAINED EXACTLY WHY THEY'RE GOING TO DO WELL IN DOWNTOWN EL CAJON.
SO I WOULD LOOK AT 18 TO 24 MONTHS.
THAT'S PRETTY, UH, THAT'S PRETTY AGGRESSIVE.
SO WE JUST GOTTA MOVE QUICKLY.
SO, SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE WITH THE DOWNTOWN PARTNERSHIP.
HAVE YOU EVER SUGGESTED TO PEOPLE LIKE, UH, GABE AT THE DOWNTOWN CAFE THAT HE SHOULD OPEN FOR LUNCH OR STAY OPEN AFTER CONCERTS? AND WHY? WHY IS IT WHEN I LEAVE A CONCERT, NOBODY'S OPEN.
I COULDN'T AGREE WITH YOU MORE.
MY WIFE AND I LOVE THE MAGNOLIA.
WE GO THERE, WE LOOK AND SAY, CAN WE HAVE A DRINK AFTERWARDS? NO.
CAN'T, BECAUSE THERE'S NOT A CRITICAL MASS OF PEOPLE TO MAKE IT WORTH ANYBODY'S WILDES STAY OPEN.
WHAT GABE MIGHT BE DOING WITH DOWNTOWN CAFE IS REALLY CONSISTENT WITH GAS LAMP.
IF YOU GO TO GAS LAMP, ALMOST NO BUSINESS IS OPEN IN AT LUNCHTIME.
IT'S, THEY'RE PRIMARILY FROM FIVE O'CLOCK TO TWO O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING, YOU GO TO LITTLE ITALY AND THEIR DAY IS 7:00 AM TO 11:00 PM BECAUSE SAME RESTAURANTS WILL DO BREAKFAST, LUNCH, AND DINNER BECAUSE THEY CAN MAKE MONEY DOING ALL THOSE THINGS.
SO I THINK THAT THAT'S THE ISSUE.
AND I, I'VE BEEN COMPLAINING ABOUT NOT BEING ABLE TO GO OUTSIDE THE MAGNOLIA.
WE WOULD BEG IN OTHER DISTRICTS TO HAVE WHAT AN ASSET LIKE THE MAGNOLIA THAT BRINGS THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE DOWN HERE FOR CULTURAL PURPOSES.
SO ANYTHING THAT WE CAN DO IN, I TALKED TO RICK, UM, KOSIK ABOUT THIS, THAT HE'S LOOKING AT POSSIBLY DOING A WINE BAR IN THE CORNER SO WHEN PEOPLE LEAVE THE MAGNOLIA, THEY CAN STOP AND GET A GLASS OF WINE AND THEN HEAD HOME.
THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE REALLY WANT TO SEE.
'CAUSE I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT TIME, UH, THE ITALIAN RESTAURANT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT TIME THEY CLOSED.
WHAT'S WITH, IS IT MAN BENI OR WHAT'S IT CALLED NOW? MAN, ITALIANO.
SO, SO MY, MY, MY CONCERN IS, YOU KNOW, EL CAJON WAS, IS IT'S A CITY THAT WAS BUILT IN THE FORTIES, AND IT'S NEVER REALLY CHANGED.
AND I THINK DEMOGRAPHICALLY WISE, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S GONNA TAKE A DECADE TO CHANGE THIS PLACE.
UM, AND I WOULD, YOU KNOW, AND, AND TO ME, I, I THINK WHAT I HEARD FROM THE APPLICANT WAS BASICALLY, LOOK, IF WE GET THE GREEN LIGHT, WE'LL INVEST.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE NEED IS INVESTMENT.
RIGHT? WE CAN'T, YOU KNOW, IF I'M AN INVESTOR AND I COME DOWN HERE AT EIGHT O'CLOCK ON A FRIDAY, IT'S A GHOST TOWN.
SO I THINK WE NEED TO BE CAREFUL ALSO THAT WE DON'T CHASE AWAY PEOPLE THAT ARE WILLING TO INVEST, UM, KNOWING THAT THIS PROCESS IS GONNA TAKE TIME.
I MEAN, IF YOU LOOK AT THE STUDIES, THERE'S A REASON WHY THERE'S NOT A TRADER JOE'S HERE.
THERE'S A REASON WHY THERE'S NOT A WHOLE FOODS HERE.
EL CAJON IS NOT A FLUSH CITY WITH CASH.
WE HAVE A TON OF POVERTY, WE HAVE A TON OF APARTMENTS.
UH, MOST PEOPLE ARE NOT COMING FROM KEARNEY MESA OR DOWNTOWN TO GO TO EL CAJON.
AND I'M NOT SAYING WE CAN'T DO IT, BUT I'M JUST SAYING THAT WE NEED TO BE REALISTIC ON WHAT THE CITY OF EL CAJON IS TODAY.
UM, AND NOT DRIVE EVERYBODY ELSE OUT THAT'S GONNA INVEST.
WE HAVE A HEAVY MIDDLE EASTERN POPULATION, SO WE DO NEED TO CATER TO THEM AS WELL.
UM, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE NEED TO BE REALISTIC ON WHAT WE CAN DO.
I THINK A GREAT START WOULD BE, LIKE YOU SAID, LET'S GET A WINE BAR.
LET'S GET GABE TO STAY OPEN ON A CONCERT NIGHT.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S, IT'S A BUMMER.
I GO TO CONCERTS AND KNOW WHERE TO GO, LIKE YOU SAID AFTERWARDS.
EXCEPT THE OLD, THE OLD BAR THAT'S UP THE STREET, YOU KNOW? AND SO I JUST WANNA BE CAREFUL THAT WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, THROWING THE BABY OUT WITH THE BATH WATER THINKING THAT WE'RE GONNA MAKE THIS INTO SOME, YOU KNOW, GRAND PLACE IN 24 MONTHS.
I THINK WE COULD DO IT, BUT I THINK IT'S, I THINK IT'S GONNA TAKE A LOT LONGER THAN THAT.
AND IT'S GONNA TAKE PEOPLE'S, YOU KNOW, INVESTING.
I MEAN, I KNOW THEY SAY BUILD IT AND THEY WILL COME, BUT WE GOTTA GET 'EM TO BUILD IT FIRST, YOU KNOW? RIGHT.
IT TOOK US THREE YEARS JUST TO GET A DEVELOPMENT DONE ON THE CORNER OF MAGNOLIA AND MAINE.
IT TOOK THREE YEARS TO GET THAT THING OUTTA THE GROUND.
SO I'M JUST, I'M JUST BEING REALISTIC.
I'VE BEEN ON THIS COMMISSION SINCE 2009 AND THE CITY HAS NOT REALLY MOVED SINCE 2009.
SO EXCUSE ME FOR BEING SKEPTICAL, BUT, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M A LITTLE SKEPTICAL AT THIS POINT.
YOU KNOW, I THINK WE'VE DONE A LOT TO TURN AROUND DOWNTOWN CHULA VISTA IN THE LAST THREE YEARS.
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I AGREE.I THINK THERE'S A FORMULA TO DOING THIS.
I WOULD, MY WHOLE LIFE IS BASED UPON ATTRACTING INVESTMENT TO CERTAIN AREAS AND EXPLAINING TO PEOPLE WHY IT MAKES SENSE FOR THEM TO DO THAT.
AND I WOULD ALSO SAY, COMMISSIONER, THAT THERE'S NO TRADER JOE'S IN DOWNTOWN SAN DIEGO.
THERE'S OVER 30,000 PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE.
WHOLE FOODS IS JUST OPENING UP NOW AFTER 20 YEARS OF RESIDENTIAL HIGH-RISE DEVELOPMENT IN DOWNTOWN SAN DIEGO.
LITERALLY DOESN'T EVEN A MARKET.
BUT, YOU KNOW, IT STILL THRIVES BASED UPON THE RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT OF IT.
I'VE ALWAYS THOUGHT THAT EL CAJON HAD TREMENDOUS POTENTIAL.
YOU'RE REALLY THE DOWNTOWN OF EAST COUNTY FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES.
AND I THINK YOU HAVE GREAT ASSETS, GREAT SIDEWALKS, GREAT LANDSCAPING.
YOU HAVE THE MAGNOLIA CITY HALL AND THE COUNTY BUILDING ARE HERE.
IT'S A QUESTION OF MERGING ALL THESE ASSETS AND THEN TELLING THE WORLD ABOUT IT.
AND YOU DON'T HAVE A PR FIRM THAT REALLY PROMOTES SOCIAL MEDIA OR PR.
THE BEST THING, CHRIS WAS ON MULTIPLE TV STATIONS WHEN ART OF ALL HAPPENED.
THAT'S JUST THE BEGINNING, I THINK OF A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT WE PLAN.
AND WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE A GREAT RESTAURANT LIKE YOU GUYS ARE PLANNING.
AND I KNOW THE CAL COMMUNITY HERE IS EXTREMELY STRONG AND THEY INVEST HEAVILY ALL THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
QUESTION IS, WE NEED TO JUST, IT'S REALLY ABOUT CRITICAL MASS, AND THAT'S WHAT WE REALLY NEED IS CRITICAL MASS AT THIS POINT.
I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT COMMISSIONER ROSE, THAT, UH, UH, WE DID APPROVE THE LAST MEETING, THE, UH, CRAFT BEER, UH, THAT, THAT THAT'S IN LOCATION.
AND ALSO, I REMEMBER IN 2008, WE HAVE AN ECONOMIC, UH, CRASH.
AND A LOT OF BUSINESS WENT OUTTA BUSINESS.
AND, UH, AND THAT WE WERE IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT.
I REMEMBER WE WERE DOING MANY, UM, APARTMENT CONVERSIONS INTO, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, CONDOS AND SO FORTH.
SO I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE FACTORS WHY A CAJON, UH, STOPPED IN 2008, 2009, 2010, AND SO FORTH AND SO ON.
OH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM, UH, COMMISSIONER? YES, COMMISSIONER P*****K RU? YES.
COMING FROM A BARTENDING BACKGROUND AT COLLEGE, AND I GREW UP IN A COLLEGE TOWN, WHICH FOURTH AVENUE WAS DECIMATED AND IT CAME BACK, I MEAN, VERY LIVELY.
SO I'VE SEEN THE TURNAROUND AND HOW THAT CAN HAPPEN, BUT SOMETHING LIKE A RESTAURANT LIKE THIS, HOW QUICKLY DO YOU THINK SOMETHING LIKE THAT COULD COME TO FRUITION? BECAUSE IF WE'RE TRYING TO TURN IT AROUND, AND I KNOW WE'VE GONE IN CIRCLES AND CIRCLES AND CIRCLES AND IT'S BEEN MANY YEARS WITH THIS LOCATION, AND IT IS A GREAT LOCATION, AND I'D LOVE TO SEE WHAT THEY'RE DOING HAPPEN.
BUT WHAT'S LOGISTICALLY, HOW LONG DO YOU THINK THEY COULD TURN AROUND AND MAKE IT THAT? WELL, I, MY EXPERIENCE TOO HAS BEEN THAT IF YOU HAVE GOOD INVESTMENT AND YOU HAVE GOOD MANAGEMENT, THEN IT'LL WORK.
'CAUSE EVERYBODY, I THINK THERE'S A PENT UP DEMAND FOR PEOPLE TO BE IN DOWNTOWN EL CAJON AND WANT TO BE IN DOWNTOWN EL CAJON.
BUT LA MESA'S TRYING TO DO, UH, YOU KNOW, TRIED TO BECOME THAT VILLAGE.
UM, I THINK THAT THEY'RE DOING A PRETTY GOOD JOB ON IT.
IT'S TAKEN A LONG TIME, AT LEAST 20 YEARS TO GET TO THAT POINT.
BUT I JUST THINK THAT, AGAIN, THIS CAN BE EXPEDITED WITH THE DOWNTOWN, UH, EL CAJON, UH, BUSINESS PARTNERS, WORKING COOPERATION WITH THE CITY.
WE WORK VERY CLOSELY WITH THE ASSISTANT MANAGER, CITY MANAGER, AND THE CITY MANAGER AND, AND ENTREPRENEURS THAT WANT TO OPEN UP A BUILDING AND THEY WANT TO DO IT, UH, TO MAKE MONEY.
OBVIOUSLY IT'S GOOD FOR THEIR FAMILIES.
SO I THINK IT'S PUTTING ALL THE PIECES TOGETHER AND THEN PUSHING IT AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.
I'M PRETTY IMPATIENT PERSON, SO I ALWAYS WANNA SEE THINGS DONE QUICK AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.
SO WE WOULD BE COMPLETELY BEHIND THEM IF SOME OF THOSE DRAWINGS THAT YOU GUYS PUT OUT, WHICH WERE REALLY FINE AND PEOPLE CAN ENJOY THE RESTAURANT, I THINK IT'S A LITTLE BIG FOR A RESTAURANT.
MAYBE THEY CREATE TWO RESTAURANTS THERE, THAT'S UP TO THEM, WHATEVER THEY WANT TO DO.
BUT I THINK THAT IT, IT'S EXCITING TO SEE THAT.
BUT I THINK AS WE STAND RIGHT NOW, AND I THINK AS, UH, COMMISSIONER EDISON SAID, YOU'RE LOOKING AT WHAT IT IS TODAY AND IF YOU EXTEND IT, I THINK THEY ALWAYS HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME BACK AND SAY, HERE WE ARE.
WE HAVE TO CLOSE IT FOR A FEW MONTHS IN ORDER TO DO ALL THE TENANT IMPROVEMENTS.
THEN WE'D WANNA PUSH THEM AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE TO GET THIS THING OPEN.
LAURA, DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER CARDS? UH, NO OTHER CARDS FOR THIS ITEM.
I DID HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.
I THOUGHT EVERYONE YIELDED THEIR TIME.
I'M SORRY, WHAT WAS YOUR NAME? I APOLOGIZE.
YOU, YOU CAN SPEAK AND THEN FILL OUT THE CARD LATER.
I THOUGHT THEY ALL WERE YIELDING.
SO, AS VINCE SAID, YOU KNOW, WE BOUGHT THIS, WE DIDN'T BUY IT.
WE WENT IN ESCROW ABOUT TWO MONTHS AGO.
SO OUR INTENTION IS TO DO, WE HAVE A BUSINESS PLAN JUST AS WE SPOKE, BUT IT IS HARD FOR US TO CLOSE ESCROW UNLESS WE HAVE THE BLESSINGS OF THE CITY.
RIGHT? IT'S A LOT OF MONEY AND WE'RE
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WILLING TO DO THAT.BUT WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE BUSINESS DICTATES HOW IT RUNS.
WE CAN'T DICTATE HOW A BUSINESS RUNS.
UH, THIS PLACE, IT IS A RESTAURANT.
IT IS A RESTAURANT YOU CAN SEE DID OVER $90,000 IN LAST MONTH.
BUT IT'S NOT JUST A RESTAURANT, IT'S ALSO A BANQUET HALLT.
THAT MEANS IF, IF SOMEONE WANTS TO COME DO A PARTY IN THE MIDDLE OF EL CAJON DOWNTOWN, IT'S 7,000 SQUARE FOOT.
THAT'S WHAT IT'S INTENDED FOR.
SO YOU SAW THE PARTY WE DID LAST THURSDAY.
IT'S, IT WAS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC AS WELL.
AND IF, IF, IF WE DO A FUNERAL, IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO DO A FUNERAL OVER THERE, WE CHARGE $3,500 BECAUSE IT'S THE, IT'S, IT'S JUST THE DEMAND.
WE CAN'T CONTROL WHAT THE DEMAND WANTS TO DO WITH THE BUSINESS.
AND I CAN'T IMAGINE A 7,000 SQUARE FOOT RESTAURANT ONLY.
SO WE HAVE TO ASK OURSELF WHAT DO WE DO WITH THIS BUILDING? THE CURRENT CONCEPT IS WORKING.
PEOPLE ARE COMING THERE AT NIGHTTIME.
THEY'RE EATING, THEY'RE DRINKING.
WHEN THEY WANNA DO A PRIVATE PARTY, WE DO IT TWO, THREE TIMES A MONTH, WHICH IS FAIR.
WE TRY AND OPEN FOR LUNCHTIME IN WHICH WE JUST DID IT FOR ABOUT, WHAT, TWO MONTHS ALMOST.
THAT PREVIOUS OWNERS ONLY OPEN NIGHTTIME.
SO WE'RE TRYING, WE'LL BRING DOORDASH TO TRY TO GET IT GOING.
MY POINT IS, WE ARE NOT IN FULL FORCE YET BECAUSE IT'S NOT OURS YET.
AND I CAN'T GO SPEND $800,000 ON A BUSINESS IF I'M NOT COMFORTABLE.
AND FOR NOW, WE'RE NOT COMFORTABLE BECAUSE WE DON'T FEEL THE CITY'S BEHIND US.
SO IF YOU WANT A GOOD PARTNERSHIP, WE ARE IT.
AND WE'LL LOVE TO WORK WITH MARCO.
WE HAVE GREAT IDEAS WHILE WE CAN TOGETHER MAKE CAJON BETTER TOGETHER, MAKE THE GO WITH THE VISION.
THERE'S A LOT OF INVESTORS I WOULD LOVE TO WORK WITH MARCO, IT'S GREAT.
YOU KNOW, IF, IF YOU REVOKE THIS LICENSE, YOU HAVE ANOTHER VACANT BUILDING, WHAT DID WE ACCOMPLISH? NOTHING.
UNLESS YOU HAVE A BETTER IDEA.
AND IF YOU COME RIGHT NOW TELLING ME, HEY, I'LL BUY IT.
YOU RUN IT MR. MANSOUR? YES, SIR.
GIVE US A CHANCE AND LET'S PROVE OURSELF.
AND HOPEFULLY THAT'S THE DECISIONS YOU MAKE.
AND WE'LL WORK TOGETHER TO ACCOMPLISH OUR GOAL.
COMMISSIONER EDISON HAS A QUESTION.
COMMISSIONER EDISON HAS A QUESTION, AND YOU MIGHT HAVE ANSWERED THIS ALREADY, BUT WHEN DOES ESCROW CLOSE ESCROW IS CONTINGENT ON THIS, THIS DECISION.
SO WE CAN CLOSE THIS EARLY AS, AS TWO WEEKS, THREE WEEKS IF WE WANT IT.
I'M TOLD THE SELLER I CAN'T BUY IT RIGHT NOW.
CAN'T BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE CITY WANTS.
AND REMEMBER THIS MEETING WAS SUPPOSED TO BE NEXT MONTH.
I TOLD VINCE WE CAN'T, WE'RE WASTING TIME.
WE, WE CHANGED IT FROM NEXT MONTH TO THIS MONTH BECAUSE WE NEED TO KNOW WHERE THE CITY IS AT.
AND WE'RE KIND OF STUCK RIGHT NOW AND WE WANNA MOVE FORWARD.
I CAN, AND I CAN APPRECIATE THAT 100%.
I DO DISAGREE THAT THE BUSINESS DOESN'T DRIVE IT.
THE CUP DECIDES WHAT BUSINESS IS GONNA BE ACTIVE THERE.
I WILL SAY THAT, BUT I WILL ALSO SAY THIS.
I APPRECIATE THAT YOU'RE SAYING I CAN'T INVEST MONEY IF THE CITY'S NOT BEHIND IT.
AND UH, I ALSO AGREE THAT ANOTHER EMPTY BUILDING IS NOT ADVANTAGEOUS HERE.
THE PROBLEM IS, IS THE QUESTION THAT WE'RE BEING ASKED IS FOR TODAY IS ARE THEY IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE CP? THAT'S WHAT I KEEP GOING BACK TO.
I THINK WHAT'S, AND I THINK THERE IS A NEED FOR WHAT YOU GUYS WANTED.
THERE REALLY IS WITH, WITH THOSE RENDERINGS.
NO, IT'S JUST A CONTINUATION OF WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING FOR THE LAST 18 MONTHS.
WHAT, WHAT WHAT WE WERE DOING BEFORE IS NOT WORKING.
BUT I THINK IT'S FLIPPED A LITTLE BIT, AT LEAST FROM THE STAFF REPORT, THAT IT'S SHOWING THAT IT'S MORE, AND I MIGHT BE WRONG, I MIGHT BE INTERPRETING IT WRONG, DON'T KNOW EVERYTHING, THAT IT'S BEING IN MORE OF A CLUB THAN A RESTAURANT.
AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S, UH, I'M JUST SAYING WHAT THE STAFF REPORT IS AND WHAT WE'VE EXPERIENCED IN THE PAST 18 MONTHS.
UH, IT'S JUST A MATTER OF THE EXECUTION.
YOU'RE COMING IN WITH A LOT OF, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM, BAGGAGE ON
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THATCAN I REPLY TO THAT? UM, MR. JOHNSON.
SO IT, IT, THE, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, IT IS A RESTAURANT, BUT IT'S NOT YOUR, IT'S NOT YOUR, THE, THE, THE TYPE OF RESTAURANT THAT MAYBE YOU, YOU ARE THINKING ABOUT.
THE POINT IS, IS THAT FOOD AND DRINKS AND IS, IS BEING SOLD OVER THERE.
PEOPLE COME AND EAT AND THEY DRINK.
WE'RE ALL OPEN TO THE PUBLIC AND IT'LL BE, IN MY OPINION, IT'S A GREAT RESTAURANT, BUT IT HAS A LOT MORE OPPORTUNITY IF YOU LET US TO DO IT.
AND IT'LL BE A LOT BETTER IF WE LET US INVEST THE MONEY AND LET US DO WHAT WE, WHAT WE WANNA DO WITH IT.
WELL THE, THE RESTAURANT TO OPERATE AS A RESTAURANT DOES NOT NEED A CUP BY RIGHT.
YOU CAN OPERATE AS A RESTAURANT.
THE REASON WHY IT NEEDED A CUP IS BECAUSE OF THE BANQUETS.
BECAUSE THE BANQUET IS ADDING, IS ADDING SOMETHING OTHER THAN A RESTAURANT AND TO THAT AREA.
SO EVEN IF THIS UP WASN'T THERE, YOU COULD OPERATE AS A RESTAURANT NO PROBLEM WHATSOEVER.
BUT IT CAN'T BE JUST A RESTAURANT IS MY POINT.
I I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING BECAUSE THERE'S DEMAND FOR OTHER THINGS TO MAKE IT WORK.
SO YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOME MAKES SO WHEN IT'S RESTAURANT, WHEN IT NEEDS TO BE A RESTAURANT.
BUT IF, IF, IF SOME, IF WE CAN DO A PARTY OVER THERE, SOMEBODY NEEDS A PRIVATE EVENT, THERE'S GOOD MONEY IN THAT.
WHY NOT? WHICH DOWNTOWN YOU CAN THINK OF DOESN'T HAVE A PARTY HALL.
DOWNTOWN SAN DIEGO HAS A PARTY HALL.
YOU GO TO DOWNTOWN, UH, UH, WHERE LA MESA, ANY DOWNTOWN THAT YOU CAN THINK OF THAT WANT SOMEBODY WANTS TO DO A PARTY, WHERE WOULD YOU GO DO A PARTY? SO IN EL CAJON YOU GOT PLACES LIKE ROYAL PALACE, YOU GOT PLACES LIKE THE PALM.
THERE'S, THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT, BUT IT NEEDS IT.
EVERY CITY NEEDS, AND EL CAJON SHOULD HAVE IT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I HAVE A QUESTION REAL QUICK.
IF I, I WENT TO, UH, DOWNTOWN CAFE AND DID MY CHRISTMAS PARTY THERE ONE YEAR AND I TOOK THE WHOLE BACK ROOM.
WHAT, WHAT'S THE PERCENTAGE OF RESTAURANTS ALLOWED TO HAVE? BANQUETS IS LIKE 15.
SO MY QUESTION IS THE RENDERINGS THAT I SAW, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING THEN IS IF, IF YOU ALLOW A, IF YOU ALLOW THE CUP TO CONTINUE, YOU'RE GONNA INVEST THE MONEY, YOU'RE GONNA TURN THIS IN.
HAVE YOU EVER CONSIDERED MAYBE, MAYBE ALMOST LIKE PARTITIONING IT OFF.
YOU'RE RIGHT, IT'S 7,500 SQUARE FEET.
THAT IS TOO BIG FOR PEOPLE TO WALK IN ON A, ON A TUESDAY NIGHT FOR TACOS, RIGHT? YOU NEED OBVIOUSLY X AMOUNT OF SPACE FOR A RESTAURANT AND THAT IN X AMOUNT OF SPACE FOR BANQUET.
HAVE YOU EVER CONSIDERED HARD OR SOFT PARTITION WHERE YOU HAVE A RESTAURANT IN THE FRONT AND MAYBE BANQUET IN THE BACK, BUT IF THERE'S A BIG ENOUGH PARTY, YOU OPEN THE WHOLE THING UP? I MEAN, I'M JUST ABSOLUTELY, ABSOLUTELY.
WE ARE, WE'RE GONNA, WE ARE VERY FLEXIBLE.
BUT YOU CAN'T PUT A, A, A PERMANENT WALL, RIGHT? SURE.
IF YOU WANNA HAVE A, A PARTY, YOU, YOU WANNA COME AND DO A, AN ENGAGEMENT PARTY, RIGHT? YOU, AND YOU WANNA RESERVE THE WHOLE PLACE.
I CAN'T SAY, OKAY, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN JUST DO HALF AND THE OTHER ONE IF IT'S ONLY ONE OR TWO TIMES A MONTH.
SO ONCE AGAIN, THE, THE BUSINESS MODEL IS, IS IS IT NEEDS A COMBINATION BECAUSE THE, THE MARKET KIND OF DICTATES WHAT IT WANTS.
I AGREE WITH OUR, WITH WITH, WITH OUR OWN INTENTION AS HAVING IT A FULL RESTAURANT, BUT OCCASIONALLY, JUST LIKE IT IS, IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO RENT IT OUT, WE CAN DIVIDE IT.
WE CAN PUT DIVIDERS IN THE MIDDLE, LIKE YOU SAID.
HAVE A NICE DIVIDER IN, IN THE MIDDLE WHERE PEOPLE CAN STILL EAT IN THE FRONT AND HAVE THEIR PRIVATE PARTY IN THE BACK.
AND IF YOU HAVE A FUNERAL, I MEAN, YOU CAN'T HAVE A FUNERAL WITH SAYING, OKAY GUYS, YOU GUYS CAN COME OVER HERE WHILE WE'RE DOING A, A, A LITTLE FUNERAL.
WE SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE'RE WE'LL DISCONTINUE ALL FUNERALS.
YOU KNOW, BUT WELL, WELL, I AGREE.
I MEAN, LISTEN, JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVE A CUP DOES NOT DICTATE WHAT THE MARKET'S GONNA DO.
WE'VE DONE, THIS IS GOING BACK TO 2010.
IT WAS A CUP FOR A RESTAURANT.
THE MARKET SAID OTHERWISE, THE MARKET SAID IT'S TOO BIG OF A SPACE FOR A RESTAURANT.
THE MARKET SAID GABE'S NOT GONNA OPEN AT LUNCH.
YOU GUYS TRIED TO OPEN AT LUNCH.
I THINK JUST LIKE HE SAID, FIFTH AVENUE DOESN'T OPEN FOR LUNCH.
SO I SEE THAT YOU GUYS ARE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE TRYING, UM, I WOULD HAVE TO ECHO WHAT MR. EDISON SAID.
I DON'T WANT ANOTHER VACANT BUILDING.
I MEAN, THERE'S GOTTA BE A, A, A SOLUTION.
AND MAYBE, YOU KNOW, I LOVE WHAT YOU'VE, YOU'VE DONE AS FAR AS THE RENDERINGS.
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IS IS THAT REALLY WHAT'S GONNA TAKE PLACE? YES.YOU'RE GONNA SEE A LOT NICER BUILDING AND, UM, IT'S GONNA LOOK GOOD.
WE'RE GONNA PUT A NICE BAR WHERE WE SAID WE'RE GONNA DO IT.
BUT ONCE AGAIN, IT'S HARD FOR ME FOR US TO GO INVEST OUR MONEY UNLESS WE HAVE THE BLESSINGS OF THE CITY.
YOU GOT, WE HAVE TO HAVE, WE HAVE TO HAVE, FEEL THAT WE'RE SAFE.
THAT YOU'RE NOT GONNA COME IN SIX MONTHS OR EIGHT.
GOOD BUSINESS TAKES TIME TO DEVELOP.
BUT, BUT IT'S, IT'S ALREADY GOOD RIGHT NOW.
IT'S ALREADY GOOD ENOUGH TO PAY ITSELF WITH THE MONEY THAT IS GENERATING.
MR. MENOR, UH, COMMISSIONER P*****K RU HAS A QUESTION FOR YOU.
I'VE DEALT WITH A LOT OF BUSINESSES OVER THE YEARS AND I, I'M A REALTOR BY TRADE, SO I KNOW THAT YOU'RE NOT GONNA WANNA CLOSE ESCROW IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE SUPPORT.
THE BIGGEST THING IS JUST TO HAVE SOMETHING THERE THAT'S ACTUALLY GONNA WORK WITH THE CITY.
AND NOW THAT WE HAVE OTHER GREAT PARTNERS KIND OF HELPING EL CAJON BE EVERYTHING IT CAN BE TO MAYBE TAKE INTO THOSE IDEAS AND, 'CAUSE I KNOW IT IS A HUGE SPACE FOR A RESTAURANT.
RIGHT? AND I AGREE THE BANQUET HALL WAS A GREAT IDEA.
AND IF WE COULD, IN YOUR DESIGNS OR YOUR RENDITIONS OR SOMETHING, MAYBE HAVE SOME SEPARATION WHERE YOU CAN SEPARATE IT BUT STILL HAVE THE WHOLE SPACE.
AND IF YOU WANNA DO A FUNERAL OR SOMETHING, MAYBE YOU STILL COULD DO THAT, BUT STILL HAVE THIS SEPARATE BE SO YOU CAN MAXIMIZE THE SPACE.
'CAUSE IT IS SUCH A BIG SPACE THAT IT DOESN'T REALLY LOOK LIKE A RESTAURANT RIGHT NOW.
AND TO TRY TO, AND YOUR RENDERINGS WERE GREAT, BUT IT'S HARD TO SEE ALL THE SPECIFICS OF IT.
AND YOU SAID THERE WAS A BAR OUT FRONT, WHICH IS GREAT, BUT I, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU SHARED ANYTHING WITH THE CITY AND WE DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT IT'S GONNA BE.
AND I KNOW YOU'RE COMING IN AT THE 11TH HOUR WHERE THIS HAS BEEN TIME AFTER TIME, AFTER TIME WITH THIS PLACE.
IT'S, IT'S PRIME REAL ESTATE HERE.
WE WOULD LOVE TO SEE SOMETHING GREAT THERE, BUT I'M HOPING THAT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE, AND IT'S HARD RIGHT NOW 'CAUSE WE HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION, BUT YOU HAVEN'T CLOSED ESCROW AND YOU DON'T WANNA CLOSE ESCROW UNTIL WE KNOW WHAT WE CAN DO.
SO IT IS A DIFFICULT SITUATION, BUT I DEFINITELY WOULD LOVE TO SEE WHAT YOU'VE DRAWN IN DOWNTOWN EL CAJON BECAUSE WE NEED ANOTHER, THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT OF DOWN HAVING THOSE VIBRANT BUSINESS HERE.
BUT HOPEFULLY IF IT DOES GO THROUGH THAT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN, BECAUSE I DON'T WANT YOU TO CLOSE ESCROW ON SOMETHING AND THEN IT ALL FALLS APART BECAUSE WE'RE NOT WORKING TOGETHER.
AND THEN IT GETS PULLED OUT FROM UNDER YOU AGAIN.
SO I, I JUST, I HOPE THAT, I MEAN, WE ARE, WHO ARE YOU, ARE YOU WILLING TO WORK WITH AND GET THIS ALL GOING IF IT DID GO THROUGH? YEAH, I MEAN, WE ARE READY.
WE WANT THIS PLACE AND WE ARE 100% READY TO MOVE FORWARD AND CLOSE ESCROW.
WE JUST NEED A LITTLE BLESSINGS.
HE CAN COME OVER THERE AND KIND OF EXPLAIN TO HIM.
YOU CAN SEE THE VISION AND WE'RE WILLING TO WORK WITH YOU, WITH MARCO, WITH THE DEVELOPERS, WITH THE CITY TO ACCOMPLISH THE SAME GOAL.
WE ARE WILLING TO DO THAT, BUT IT'S, IT'S NOT, IT'S, IT'S A LOT OF MONEY.
RIGHT? UNDERSTAND IT'S A LOT OF MONEY.
SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE ASKING JUST BLESSINGS.
GO FOR IT AND LET'S SEE WHAT HAPPENS.
LET'S GO FOR IT AND YOU'LL SEE, LET US CLOSE ESCROW MOVE FORWARD.
GIVE US A YEAR, GIVE US TWO YEARS AND COME AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS.
NOW IF YOU GIVE IT TWO YEARS AND NOTHING HAS CHANGED A YEAR, NOTHING HAS CHANGED, THEN YOU COME AND KNOCK ON DOORS.
HEY, WHAT HAPPENED? WHY YOU GUYS STILL OPERATING LIKE THIS? MR. MANSOUR, YOU MADE YOUR POINT.
IS THERE, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
UH, LAURA, ANY OTHER CARDS? UH, YES.
UM, SO JUST WANTED TO KIND OF GO THROUGH OUR, OUR, OUR BUSINESS PLAN REALLY QUICK.
WE SHARED THIS WITH, UH, WITH THE, WITH THE CITY MANAGER.
AND, UH, ESSENTIALLY IS, IS, YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE MAKE SENSE OF ALL THIS? HOW DO WE THINK OUR, OUR INVESTMENT IS SAFE? WHY DO WE THINK WE CAN, UH, YOU KNOW, MAKE THIS HAPPEN? AND SO FAR, JUST BASED ON THIS, YOU KNOW, MONTH AND A HALF-ISH, UM, WE, WE KNOW WE CAN DO IT.
AND, AND, UM, JUST WANTED TO BRIEFLY JUST GO, GO THROUGH, UM, HOW CAN YOU USE THIS SPACE IN OUR EYES? HOW COULD WE USE THIS SPACE AND MAKE SURE IT'S SUCCESSFUL, MAKE SURE WE'RE HAPPY AS INVESTORS, AND MAKE SURE THE CITY'S HAPPY WITH THE OUTCOME.
AND I THINK THIS, THE GOAL IS, LIKE YOU SAID, BRING, BRING PEOPLE TO THIS AREA.
UM, FOOD DRINKS IS JUST, YOU KNOW, IT IT, IT MIGHT NOT BE THE, THE KINDA, UH, RESTAURANT BAR, YOU KNOW, THAT EVERY, EVERYBODY'S,
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YOU KNOW, HOPES TO, TO HAVE.BUT THIS IS WHAT WE THINK, WHAT WE KNOW WILL WORK AND WE KNOW IT'S WORKING.
AND, UM, ESSENTIALLY WHAT, WHAT WHAT WE'VE GOT IS, UM, IS, IS A MIXED USE BUSINESS.
AND THE MIXED USE BUSINESS IS FAST CASUAL DINING FROM FROM LUNCH.
SO 11:00 AM TO 6:00 PM FULL SERVICE DINING FROM 6:00 PM TO 1:00 PM AND TAKE OUT AND DELIVERY ALL DAY.
LIKE RIGHT NOW, FOR EXAMPLE, DOORDASH IS LIVE.
YOU CAN GO ON YOUR PHONE, YOU CAN ORDER FOOD.
AND THEN WE'VE GOT WHAT WE THINK IN TERMS OF, UH, REVENUE, WHAT WE THINK, UH, WE CAN GET TO.
AND IF WE JUST GET TO ABOUT 141,000 IN, IN SALES, THIS, UH, OUR INVESTMENT WILL PAY OFF WITHIN FIVE YEARS.
AND WE HAVE A SUCCESSFUL BUSINESS.
WELL, WE'RE AT 90,000 ALREADY.
AND PART OF IT IS, MAJORITY OF IT IS, IS, IS THE FOOD THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
BUT IT HAPPENS FROM 6:00 PM TO 1:00 AM THAT'S WHEN THE MOST OF THE BUSINESS IS.
IS IS THERE THOSE, UH, OCCASIONALLY, FOR EXAMPLE, LIKE WE CATER OUR, YOU KNOW, AT THE END OF THE DAY WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE CHALDEANS THAT THIS KIND OF BUSINESS DOES CATER TO, TO A LOT OF THE CHALDEANS IN THE AREA AND THINGS LIKE ALLOWING THEM TO DO A, A FUNERAL SERVICE, WHICH MEANS, YOU KNOW, TWO, 300 PEOPLE COME TO THIS ONE THING AND THEY MOURN AND THEY HAVE A LUNCH, AND THEY DO THIS.
IT'S $3,500 IS WHAT WE CHARGE.
IT'S FOR A FEW HOURS, BUT WE MAKE IT PRIVATE.
YOU KINDA, YOU KNOW, YOU GOTTA CLOSE THE WINDOW, BUT YOU DON'T WANT SOMEONE WALKING AND WALKING IN ON A, AND YOU GOT PEOPLE CRYING, YOU KNOW, IN MORNING.
AND SO WE SECURE THAT WITH THOSE WITHIN THOSE HOURS.
BUT BAM, BY 6:00 PM WE'RE OPEN.
AND, AND WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE ROLLING OUT DINNER.
AND SO, UM, WE, WE, WE WE'RE, WE'RE CONFIDENT IN, IN, IN IT WORKING.
WE JUST NEED JUST KIND OF, YOU KNOW, I, I SUPPORT A LITTLE BIT AND SAY, HEY, LOOK, YOU KNOW, UH, WE, WE, WE WON'T SHUT DOWN A CEP RIGHT NOW.
GO AHEAD AND, AND, AND DO THIS THING.
AND, AND, AND YOU'LL SEE THE, THE, THE OUTCOME.
DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMISSION, UH, QUESTIONS ON MR. MANSOR? NO.
ANY OTHER CARDS? WELL, I HAVE A COUPLE OF CARDS.
I WANTED TO CONFIRM WHETHER THEY WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK OKAY.
OR WHETHER THEY HAD WANTED TO YIELD THEIR TIME.
UM, OUR, OUR TEAM, SHAYA AND JOHN MANSOUR, I HAVE CARDS JUST MAKING SURE THEY DID NOT WANT TO SPEAK.
NEITHER OF THEM NEED TO SPEAK.
BUT I DID WANT TO TAKE AN OPPORTUNITY TO CLARIFY SOMETHING.
NOAH, TONY, IF YOU GUYS CAN VERIFY THIS.
THE CUP WAS NOT TO AUTHORIZE THE RESTAURANT ALONE.
IT WAS TO AUTHORIZE THE ALCOHOL SALES ALONG WITH THE RESTAURANT.
THE CUP UH, INCLUDES, UH, ALCOHOL SALES AS WELL AS LIVE ENTERTAINMENT.
SO IF, IF YOU REVOKE THE CUP, THE RESTAURANT CAN STILL OPERATE, BUT YOU CAN'T HAVE THE LIVE ENTERTAINMENT AND YOU CAN'T HAVE THE ALCOHOL.
THAT WOULD ESSENTIALLY SHUT THE BUSINESS DOWN.
THERE ARE NO FURTHER SPEAKERS FOR THIS ITEM.
I, I MOVE TO CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING.
UH, MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER SOLE, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER ROSE.
AND MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.
OKAY, MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I MAY INTERJECT BEFORE WE START DELIBERATIONS.
UM, I JUST, I BROUGHT UP THE, UH, SLIDE AGAIN FOR THE REQUIRED FINDINGS AND WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS EVENING.
UM, AGAIN, I I JUST WANTED TO EMPHASIZE THAT, UM, WHAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS LOOKING AT IS WHETHER OR NOT THE BUSINESS IS BEING OPERATED AS A RESTAURANT AND WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S AN OCCASIONAL PRIVATE EVENT.
UM, THE ONE THING THAT WE CAN'T DO TONIGHT IS TO, UH, NEGOTIATE, UH, WHAT COUNTS AS A PRIVATE EVENT AND WHAT DOESN'T COUNT AS A PRIVATE EVENT.
SO, UM, CLEARLY A FUNERAL, UH, CONSTITUTES A PRIVATE EVENT 'CAUSE IT'S NOT OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.
UM, AND SO WHAT WE CAN'T DO IS SAY, WELL, THE FUNERAL DOESN'T COUNT BECAUSE IT HAPPENED BETWEEN TWO AND 4:00 PM BUT THEY WERE STILL OPEN FOR, AS A RESTAURANT IN THE EVENING BECAUSE IT'S STILL JUST A PRIVATE EVENT.
SO THE CONTACT OF MULTIPLE FUNERALS AND MULTIPLE PRIVATE EVENTS, UM, REALLY IS A VIOLATION OF THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
I THINK WHAT YOU HEARD FROM THE APPLICANT, UM, THIS EVENING AND THE SPEAKERS IS A DESIRE TO, UH, OPERATE A USE, UH, THAT HAS MORE, UH, FREQUENT PRIVATE EVENTS THAN WHAT IS ALLOWED BY THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
SO THIS IS SIMILAR TO WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT AT THE LAST MEETING ON APRIL 1ST, WHEN THEY, THEY SAID, UH, SIMILAR THINGS, WHICH IS THE SPACE ISN'T CONDUCIVE, UH, TO A RESTAURANT ONLY, AND THAT IT'S MORE CONDUCIVE TO PRIVATE EVENTS, UM, ON A MORE FREQUENT BASIS.
SO THE AVENUE FOR THEM TO EXPLORE THAT ISN'T FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO BLESS THAT AS, AS A USE.
IT'S FOR THEM TO APPLY FOR AN AMENDMENT TO THE CONDITIONAL YEAST PERMIT SO THAT IT
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CAN BE EVALUATED BY STAFF AND ANALYZED AND THEN BROUGHT BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.SO FOR TONIGHT, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS WHETHER OR NOT THE CONDUCT OF WHAT THEY'VE DONE SINCE APRIL 1ST WAS PRIMARILY A RESTAURANT.
AND I THINK FROM STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE, IT CLEARLY HAS NOT BEEN PRIMARILY AS A RESTAURANT.
UM, IF THEY WANNA MOVE FORWARD, UH, WITH A NEW APPLICATION THEY COULD SUBMIT FOR THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, WE CAN ANALYZE THAT.
WE COULD BRING THAT BACK TO THE COMMISSION.
I THINK IT REALLY BOILS DOWN TO, UM, EXPECTATIONS.
RIGHT? SO ALL THAT I HAVE IS THE PREVIOUS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT RESOLUTION, WHICH JUST SAYS OCCASIONAL OR INCIDENTAL BANQUET USE.
IF THEY WANT TO NEGOTIATE ON HAVING, UM, FUNERALS ON WEEKDAYS FROM TWO TO FOUR, THAT THOSE ARE THINGS THAT CAN BE INTEGRATED INTO A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, OPERATIONAL CONDITIONS, SO THAT THE EXPECTATIONS FOR THE APPLICANT AND FOR STAFF AND FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION ARE ALL ON THE TABLE.
BUT TONIGHT, THE PURPOSE OF THIS HEARING IS NOT TO MAKE THOSE NEGOTIATIONS.
UM, IF THEY WANT TO MAKE THAT INVESTMENT AND THEY WANT TO RECEIVE THAT SECURITY AND, AND HAVE THE CONFIDENCE THAT IT CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT INVESTMENT, THAT CAN ONLY BE RESOLVED THROUGH, UH, AN UPDATE TO THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT SO THAT THEY KNOW WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING HAS BEEN APPROVED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION OR CITY COUNCIL IF NEEDED.
SO AGAIN, I WOULD JUST GO BACK TO THE FINDINGS, WHICH IS, UM, THEY HAVE BEEN EXERCISING, UH, THE OPERATION OF THE BUSINESS IN CONTRARY, UH, TO THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT BY THE NUMBER OF EVENTS.
THEY STILL HAVE THE ABILITY, UH, IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION REVOKES THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TONIGHT TO APPEAL THAT TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
IF THEY DO WANNA MOVE FORWARD, UM, THEY CAN APPLY FOR AN AMENDMENT TO THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
UM, AS SOON AS THEY CAN SUBMIT THAT TO STAFF.
AND WE WOULD BE EXPEDITING IT FROM A STAFF PERSPECTIVE.
WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE THAT INVESTMENT IN DOWNTOWN AND WE'D BE WORKING WITH THEM, UM, CLOSELY TO GET THAT BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
BUT AGAIN, PLEASE, FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO FOCUS ON THIS FINDING, WHICH IS HAVE THEY BEEN OPERATING CONTRARY TO WHAT WAS APPROVED AND HAVING TOO MANY PRIVATE EVENTS? THANK YOU.
SO YOU, YOU, WE COULD SAY, HEY, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA RUN THIS THING AS A, A RESTAURANT.
LET'S AMEND THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO SAY 50% PRIVATE EVENTS, 50% RESTAURANT OR WHATEVER, WHATEVER THE MARKET HAS DICTATED, YOU KNOW, OVER THE LAST 15 YEARS.
WE FIND THAT WE'RE ONLY ACTUALLY ABLE TO MAKE THIS A RESTAURANT 35% OF THE TIME AND WE MAKE THE REST OF OUR REVENUE OFF OF PRIVATE EVENTS, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT THE MARKET SAYS.
YOU'RE SAYING THAT THAT COULD BE DONE THROUGH AN AMENDMENT TO THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
THEY COULD PROPOSE THAT THROUGH THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, UM, STAFF WOULD'VE TO ANALYZE THAT WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF THE GOALS FOR DOWNTOWN.
SO I CAN'T PROMISE THAT A STAFF RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THAT WOULD BE FORTHCOMING, UH, BUT THAT WOULD BE THE PROCESS FOR THEM TO MOVE FORWARD.
ADDITIONALLY, IF THEY, IF IT THE, UM, CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IS REVOKED TONIGHT, UM, AND THEY APPEAL TO THE CITY COUNCIL, THEY CAN CONTINUE OPERATING DURING THAT APPEAL PERIOD.
IF IN THAT APPEAL PERIOD THEY SUBMIT FOR AN AMENDMENT TO THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, UH, AS PART OF THAT APPEAL, WE COULD BRING THAT, UH, INFORMATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
THEY COULD, UH, MAKE A DETERMINATION AS TO HOW THEY WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT APPEAL.
SO I JUST WANNA BE VERY CLEAR THAT WE'RE NOT HERE TO NEGOTIATE WITH THEM ON THEIR OPERATION.
IT'S JUST WHETHER OR NOT THEY'VE BEEN IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE EXISTING CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
IF, IF WE DECIDE TO, OKAY, I'LL, I'LL, I'LL HOLD MY QUESTIONS FOR LATER.
WHAT, SAY YOU COMMISSIONER REBECCA, I MEAN, P*****K RUDE, I, I WANT TO CALL YOU REBECCA FOR SOME REASON.
UM, IT'S DIFFICULT FOR ME BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE WE'VE BEEN GOING IN CIRCLES YET NOW WE HAVE A NEW VISION AND THEY HAVEN'T, AND THEIR WHOLESALE OF THIS PLACE IS BASED ON THAT VISION.
AND IF WE REVOKE THIS, THEN THAT VISION PROBABLY WILL NOT COME TO FRUITION BECAUSE YES, THEY CAN APPEAL, THEY CAN GO THROUGH THE PROCESS, BUT THEY'RE IN AN ESCROW PERIOD.
AND ESCROWS ONLY LAST SO LONG RATE LOCKS ONLY LAST SO LONG UNLESS THEY'RE PAYING CASH AND THEN IT'S IRRELEVANT.
BUT IT, IT, IT'S KIND OF A DIFFICULT SITUATION BECAUSE OF THE SITUATION THAT THEY'RE IN.
NOT NECESSARILY, UH, AS, UH, NOAH STATED, UH, THEY CAN ASK FOR AN AMENDMENT TO THE, UH, TO THE COP.
NO, I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT THEY'RE AN ESCROW.
AND IF THEY HAVE AN INTEREST RATE THAT'S ONLY LOCKS FOR SO LONG, AND THEN THEY HAVE TO PAY FOR AN EXTENSION FOR THE TIME GIVEN.
SO I'M NOT SAYING THAT THAT SHOULD BE THE ONLY THING WE SHOULD THINK ABOUT AND JUST GIVE IT TO 'EM BECAUSE IT'S GONNA BE GREAT.
AND BECAUSE WE'VE SO MANY TIMES GONE IN A CIRCLE ON THIS, BUT BECAUSE OF THE SITUATION THAT THEY'RE IN AND THEY'RE IN ESCROW, AND I THINK THAT IF IT'S REVOKED, THEY MIGHT NOT MOVE FORWARD BECAUSE
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THEN THEIR VISION IS THAT IT'S STILL UNCERTAIN AND IT MIGHT BE JUST TOO COSTLY FOR THEM TO KEEP GOING AND THEY'LL MOVE ON AND THEN IT'LL BE ANOTHER EMPTY BUILDING, OR THE PERSON WHO WAS DOING IT BEFORE THAT WE WENT AROUND AND AROUND AND AROUND, WE'LL STILL OWN IT.AND THEN WE'LL STILL BE GOING AROUND AND AROUND AND AROUND.
SO UNTIL SOMEONE ELSE BUYS IT, WHICH SOMEONE MAY, AND IT WILL BE A GREAT THING.
SO AS NOAH SAID, ARE THEY DOING WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO DO? WELL, NOT REALLY, BUT THEN THEY DON'T REALLY OWN IT, SO THEY CAN'T REALLY DO WHAT THEY WANNA DO YET BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA NOT GONNA SPEND ONE PENNY ON SOMETHING THAT THEY ARE NOT, THAT THEY DON'T OWN.
MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I MAY JUST INTERJECT QUICKLY.
UM, SO THE ONE THING THAT I WOULD EMPHASIZE IS THAT, UM, THE, THE PICTURES THAT WERE SHOWN TONIGHT MM-HMM
THOSE AREN'T GUARANTEES OF FUTURE INVESTMENT.
UM, THE ONLY WAY THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION COULD GUARANTEE THAT THOSE THINGS ARE REQUIREMENTS IS THROUGH A CONDITIONAL USE PERMANENT AMENDMENT.
WE WANT TO SEE THAT INVESTMENT IN THE DOWNTOWN AND WE WANNA REALIZE THE VISION THAT, UH, COUNCIL AND, UH, THE BUSINESS IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT ARE WORKING TOWARDS.
UH, BUT WHAT WE CAN'T DO IS RELY ON AN OLD PERMIT THAT'S OUTDATED.
THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO OPERATE, UH, WITH LIKE A NEW MODEL ON.
SO THEY REALLY JUST NEED TO AMEND THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT MM-HMM
UM, THE, AND SO THE ISSUE IS, IS THAT EVEN IF THEY'RE IN ESCROW, UM, THEY CAN CONTINUE TO OPERATE THROUGH AN APPEAL PERIOD, AND THEY CAN SUBMIT THAT CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AND WE CAN, UH, PROCESS THAT MOVING FORWARD.
UH, BUT AGAIN, THERE'S NO GUARANTEES, UH, THAT IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION WERE TO, UM, UH, DENY THE REVOCATION THIS EVENING MM-HMM
THAT ANYTHING THAT THEY HAVE SHOWN, UH, WOULD BE, WOULD OCCUR.
NO, I, I AGREE WITH YOU THERE, BUT THAT, THAT'S JUST MY, MY ONLY, MY ONLY CONCERN.
SO I REALLY PROBABLY MEANT NOTHING.
AND, BUT I'M JUST, I'M A LITTLE BIT CONCERNED 'CAUSE I DON'T WANNA SEE AN EMPTY BUILDING, BUT I UNDERSTAND THE PRESSURES THEY'RE UNDER.
SO IT'S KIND OF A CATCH 22 HERE.
BUT I UNDERSTAND THE FRUSTRATION.
'CAUSE YOU SIGNED BACK IN I THINK 2010, YOU'VE BEEN TWO THOUGHT AND IT'S NEVER PROBABLY BEEN, YOU KNOW, SO YEAH.
AND JUST, SORRY, ONE MORE THING, MR. CHAIRMAN.
UH, THIS IS ALSO KIND OF THE CONVERSATION THAT WE HAD ON APRIL 1ST, WHICH WAS, YOU KNOW, THE, THE APPLICANT'S NARRATIVE ISN'T QUITE FITTING, UM, WITH, UH, THE DISCUSSION OR WITH THE EXISTING CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
SO IF YOU RECALL, UH, WE HAD CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN REOPENED IT TO ASK THE APPLICANT IF THEY'D BE WILLING TO SUBMIT THAT CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AMENDMENT, WHICH ULTIMATELY THEY DECIDED NOT TO, I CAN'T FORCE THEM TO SUBMIT A CONDITIONAL USE PER PERMIT AMENDMENT.
UM, THEY DECIDED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE INFORMATION THAT WAS PRESENTED TONIGHT.
UM, SO THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH.
UH, BUT THEY CAN BE PROCESSING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT STARTING TOMORROW.
UM, AND SO IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UM, WANTS TO SEE THAT HAPPEN, THEY CAN CERTAINLY ENCOURAGE THEM TO SUBMIT THAT CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
BUT AGAIN, THE QUESTION HERE TODAY IS ONLY ARE THEY ONLY HAVING OCCASIONAL, UH, PRIVATE EVENTS OR BANQUET AND, AND THEY ARE, UM, BASED ON THE TESTIMONY, UM, HAVING MORE THAN THAT.
UH, COMMISSIONER ROSE, DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING, UH, NEW TO ADD TO WHAT, WHAT'S ALREADY BEEN SAID? YEAH, SO, UM, ONE THING SHE SAID WAS, ONE THING THAT NOAH SAID WAS, HE'S ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
THERE IS NO GUARANTEE THAT THEY'RE GONNA BUILD IF WE, YOU KNOW, DO NOT REVOKE THEIR PERMIT.
THAT SAME GUARANTEE IS, THERE IS NO GUARANTEE THAT THE CITY IS GONNA APPROVE A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
THERE'S NO GUARANTEE THAT THEY'RE GONNA SAVE 50 50 IF IT DOESN'T ALIGN WITH WHAT STAFF WANTS EITHER.
SO IT'S LIKE A TRUST ISSUE RIGHT THERE, IN MY OPINION.
THEY'RE BRINGING $90,000 WORTH OF SALES IN A MONTH.
TELL ME ANOTHER BUSINESS THAT'S DOING THAT.
MY OTHER THING REALLY IS, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE WE EVEN DOING HERE RIGHT NOW? WE HAVE A DEAD DOWNTOWN, AND I'M NOT SAYING THIS IS HAPPENING, BUT THE APPEARANCE OF SINGLING OUT THIS ONE BUSINESS TO SOME PEOPLE WOULD BE OBVIOUS.
THERE'S NOT A LINE OF PEOPLE WAITING TO RENT THAT PLACE OUT.
THERE'S NOT A BUNCH OF INVESTMENT COMING INTO THIS CITY.
AND THESE GUYS ARE SITTING HERE TRYING TO PUT 800 GRAND AND WE'RE SITTING HERE BUSTING THEIR CHOPS.
I'M A BUSINESS OWNER, TONY, YOU ARE A BUSINESS OWNER.
BUSINESS DOESN'T GO THE WAY THE CITY OR THE STATE OR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WRITES IT UP.
IT GOES THE WAY THE MARKET DICTATES IT.
AND THESE GUYS ARE TRYING THEIR BEST.
AND YOU KNOW WHAT, LET'S FACE IT, YOU GUYS, RIGHT NOW, IT IS MOSTLY A BANQUET HALL AND IT'S BRINGING $90,000 OF REVENUE IN A CARD ROOM, IN A CARD ROOM.
OTHERWISE, WHAT IS IT GONNA BE? IT'S GONNA BE A PLACE WHERE SOMEONE IS GOING TO SLEEP IN THE MORNING WHEN IT'S VACANT, THEY'RE GONNA SLEEP IN THE BACK AREA.
THE SIDEWALK WILL BECOME A PLACE WHERE THE EL CAJON PEOPLE SQUIRT DOWN THE GUM AND THE URINE BECAUSE YOU GUYS, THAT'S WHAT EL CAJON IS RIGHT NOW.
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OUT.I, I, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE'RE EVEN HAVING THIS CONVERSATION TONIGHT.
YOU KNOW, LET'S WORK, LET'S TRUST THE CITY.
THIS IS, TO ME, THIS IS, THIS IS SAD THAT WE'RE EVEN DOING THIS, THAT WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT IT'S A, A BANQUET HALL OR A RESTAURANT WHEN THE CITY IS DYING.
I MEAN, I'VE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE THIS IN MY 15 YEARS.
YOU KNOW, I'VE GOT AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE THIS THING GREAT.
AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEND MONEY, AND I'M SORRY, AND I KNOW THE DOWNTOWN PARTNERSHIPS AROUND, BUT WHERE YOU BEEN FOR THE LAST 15 YEARS? I ECHOED THAT LAST TIME.
OKAY, MAYBE NOW WE'RE BRINGING SOMETHING IN.
BUT JUST LIKE THESE GUYS WHO ARE COMING IN A LITTLE BIT TOO LATE, IT SOUNDS LIKE BECAUSE THEY'RE TAKING THIS OVER THE DOWNTOWN PARTNERSHIPS FINALLY GETTING THEIR ACT TOGETHER AFTER 15 YEARS, BUT NOW THESE GUYS ARE GONNA PAY THE PRICE.
SO LET'S GO AHEAD AND REVOKE THEIR CUP SO IT CAN BE VACANT BECAUSE IT WILL TAKE TWO TO THREE YEARS BEFORE THERE'S ANY TENANT IN THERE.
IT TOOK TWO TO THREE YEARS JUST TO GET THE STINKING BUILDING BUILT ON MAINE AND MAGNOLIA THAT WE APPROVED.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING PICKING ON THESE GUYS TONIGHT, BUT THAT'S JUST, I'M SORRY IF I'M BEING PASSIONATE RIGHT NOW, BUT WHAT ELSE ARE WE GONNA DO? AT LEAST THERE'S HUMAN BEINGS IN A BUILDING UNTIL 10 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT IN DOWNTOWN.
PROBABLY THE ONLY BUILDING THERE IS.
AND HERE WE ARE JUST GONNA REVOKE IT BECAUSE IT DOESN'T FIT THE NARRATIVE.
MR. CHAIRMAN AND COMMISSIONERS SI JUST MIGHT INTERJECT ANTHONY SCHU, DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.
UM, I KNOW YOU HAVEN'T SEEN ME IN QUITE SOME TIME, BUT I WANNA REMIND, REMIND THE PLANNING COMMISSION THAT BACK IN 2010 WHEN THIS WAS BROUGHT BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR A BANQUET HALL, IT WAS DENIED BECAUSE IT DIDN'T ALIGN WITH THE DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN, WHICH IS AN ORDINANCE SPECIFIC PLAN NUMBER 180 2.
AND IN ORDINANCES OF REGULATIONS, IT'S A LAW RIGHT TYPE OF USES TYPES OF STANDARDS.
THESE ARE WHAT'S APPLIED TO THE DOWNTOWN CITY COUNCIL SAW THAT AS WELL.
AND THEY SAID IN YOUR PACKETS, THE RESOLUTION IS INCLUDED, THAT THIS MUST BE A RESTAURANT.
IF IT'S NOT OPERATING AS A RESTAURANT AND IT'S OPERATING AS A BANQUET HALL, WHICH I'M HEARING SOME OF THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS SAY, THEN IS A VIOLATION OF THE CUP.
IT'S IN VIOLATION OF THE ORDINANCE OF THE DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN.
THE COMMISSION HAS A CHOICE TO FIND THAT BASED ON THE FINDING THAT'S IN FRONT OF YOU, PRESENTED BY MR. ALVY.
IT IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THAT APPROVAL IN 2010.
IT IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN, THEREFORE, IT'S IN VIOLATION OF THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, AND IT MUST BE REVOKED.
IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION WISHES TO SEE SOMETHING DIFFERENT BASED ON, WE'LL SAY MORE THAN JUST A PROMISE AND A, AND SOME PRESENTATIONAL SLIDES, THEN THE APPLICANT CAN SUBMIT THE APPLICATION FOR A RESTAURANT WITH ALCOHOL SALES TO THE STAFF.
I GUARANTEE WE WILL EXPEDITE IT.
IF IT'S A COMPLETED APPLICATION, WE'LL HAVE 'EM BEFORE THE, BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION WITHIN A MATTER OF WEEKS, AND THEN WE'LL RUSH THEIR BUILDING PERMIT PLANS THROUGH THE BUILDING PERMIT PROCESS.
AND THEY CAN GET TO WORK AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE IF THAT'S THE VISION.
BUT RIGHT NOW, ALL WE'RE HEARING IS WORDS.
WE'VE ONLY HEARD THAT FOR 18 MONTHS AND NOTHING HAS CHANGED.
I ENCOURAGE PLAN, COMMISSION TO ADHERE OR FOLLOW THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.
ALL THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER CIRCLE.
UM, I REALLY APPRECIATE THE VISION THAT HAS BEEN PRESENTED, AND I AM, I'M ON THE SIDE OF WE WANT TO HAVE BUSINESS CONDUCTED IN ELCON.
WE WANT PEOPLE HERE, AND I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER ROSE, THAT WE DON'T WANT ANOTHER VACANT BUILDING.
I ALSO SEE 90,000 IN SALES IN A MONTH.
THAT'S NO NOTHING TO LAUGH AT.
UM, THE QUESTION OF WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE FOLLOWING THIS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IS WHAT'S ON THE TABLE.
AND I TEND TO AGREE WITH, UH, THE STAFF'S EVALUATION THAT THE VISION THAT YOU PRESENTED IS AN EXCELLENT VISION, BUT IT NEEDS A DIFFERENT CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO FOLLOW THAT.
'CAUSE RIGHT NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS, WE'RE EVALUATING YOU BASED ON THIS PLAN, AND IT'S NOT WORKING.
AND YOU GUYS CAN'T INVEST WITHOUT US SAYING, GO AHEAD, BUT WE CAN'T SAY, GO AHEAD BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT FOLLOWING THIS PERMIT.
SO, UH, WHAT NOAH MENTIONED, MR. ALVY SAID IS THAT, AND THIS IS SOMETHING WE WALKED THROUGH WITH SOMEBODY ELSE BEFORE, I DON'T REMEMBER, REVOCATION OF A CUP DOES NOT MEAN YOUR BUSINESS CEASES IMMEDIATELY.
INSTEAD, IT'S THE BEGINNING OF A PROCESS.
I'M NOT SAYING I WANT TO REVOKE YOUR CUP, BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS, IF WE REVOKE YOUR
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CUP, THAT'S NOT THE END OF THE LINE FOR THIS VISION.WHAT WE NEED IS A NEW CUP THAT WILL WORK FOR DOWNTOWN IN THE BUILDING AND MAKE THE BUSINESS MODEL FIT WITH WHAT OUR ORDINANCE IS.
NOW, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE HAVE THREE BANQUET HALLS IN DOWNTOWN.
WHY CAN'T WE HAVE A FOURTH ONE? I DON'T KNOW WHY WE NEED A RESTAURANT RIGHT THERE INSTEAD OF A BANQUET HALL.
AND THERE'S SOMETHING THAT I THINK, UM, YOU MENTIONED CULTURAL SENSITIVITY AND THE, THE ARTICLE ABOUT THE NAUGHTY, IT'S A VERY IMPORTANT HUB.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE CITY OF EL CAJON HAS WRESTLED WITH FOR AS LONG AS I'VE BEEN ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
WELL, WHY ARE YOU GUYS ALL SITTING AROUND PLAYING CARDS? WELL, IT'S A SOCIAL HALL.
WELL, IT'S NOT A SOCIAL HALL ANYMORE THAN A BAR IS A SOCIAL HALL.
BUT OUR ZONING ORDINANCE DOESN'T HAVE A SPOT FOR THAT.
AND I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN ADDRESS WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT IS, HEY, WE'VE GOT A LARGE CHALDEAN COMMUNITY.
MAYBE WE NEED TO CREATE A NAUGHTY ZONE, UH, OR SOMETHING THAT IT FITS INTO.
THAT'S NOT FOR TONIGHT, THOUGH.
FOR TONIGHT, THE MATTER IS, BUSINESS IS BEING CONDUCTED GREAT FOR EL CAJON, BUT IS VIS BUSINESS BEING CONDUCTED ACCORDING TO THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT THAT'S CURRENTLY IN PLACE? AND IT SEEMS LIKE THE ANSWER IS NO.
FROM A VISUAL POINT, FROM THESE VISITS WE SEE BUILDING CLOSED.
UM, IT DOESN'T MAKE IT CLEAR WHY IT'S CLOSED DURING NORMAL BUSINESS HOURS.
I THINK AS PART OF A NEW CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, THERE MIGHT BE SOMETHING WHERE YOU HAVE A SIGN THAT SAYS CLOSED FOR PRIVATE EVENT UNTIL SIX O'CLOCK OR FIVE O'CLOCK OR FOUR O'CLOCK OR WHATEVER.
IT'S, BUT THAT'S FOR A FUTURE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT WHERE WE COULD PUT IT INTO THE PLAN AND SAY, HEY, A COUPLE TIMES A MONTH THERE'S A PRIVATE EVENT.
PERSONALLY, I THINK THAT'S AWESOME.
WE NEED PLACES FOR PRIVATE EVENTS.
THE ISSUE IS WITH THE CURRENT CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, THAT BUSINESS PLAN DOESN'T MATCH.
SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT TONIGHT.
COMMISSIONER EDISON? NO, YOU SAID EVERYTHING YOU SAID YOU WANNA SAY.
WELL, I, I UNDERSTAND EVERYONE'S, UH, POINT OF VIEW.
I GET ONE QUESTION REAL QUICK.
THE 90,000 THAT CAME IN, IF, IF PEOPLE ARE COMING IN AND BUYING FOOD AND DRINK AND PLAYING CARDS, IS THAT CONSIDERED A RESTAURANT? IF IT'S NOT A, A BANQUET'S NOT GOING ON? WELL, I MEAN, BECAUSE IT MIGHT BE THE SAME PEOPLE COMING IN THREE TIMES A WEEK LIKE A BAR.
HEY BUDDY, IT'S GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN.
I'M JUST CURIOUS, WHAT IS THE AMOUNT OF RECEIPTS? I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW WHAT THE AMOUNT OF RECEIPTS ARE COMING IN CURRENTLY OUTTA THAT 90 THAT IS SCHEDULED.
EVENTS VERSUS JUST GUYS COMING IN ON A TUESDAY NIGHT, YOU KNOW, EATING AND PLAYING CARDS OR DOING WHATEVER, JUST TALKING OR WHATEVER.
WELL, HOW, HOW MANY RESTAURANTS? YOU SEE PEOPLE SITTING DOWN AND PLAYING CARDS IN EL CAJON A TON.
OUTSIDE OF EL CAJON? UH, NOT MANY.
WELL, WITH ALL THAT BEING SAID, UM, I I I TH I THINK WE'VE COME AT THE END OF THE LINE, AND I THINK THIS SITUATION HAS TO BE STEPPED UP TO A HIGHER LEVEL.
AND WHAT I MEAN BY A HIGHER LEVEL IS THAT, UH, POSSIBLY THE CITY COUNCIL NEEDS TO MAKE THIS DECISION, UH, RATHER WE CONTINUE ON OR NOT.
BECAUSE HOW LONG DO WE KEEP ON POSTPONING IT? WE'VE BEEN OUT HERE SIX TIMES, AND I THINK I, I'VE NEVER SEEN A UP COME BEFORE US SIX TIMES.
I MEAN, THIS IS UNUSUAL, AND I'VE NEVER SEEN ANCON UP P EVER BEING DENIED.
I MEAN, THAT'S UNUSUAL EITHER.
I'VE BEEN HERE ALMOST 20 YEARS NOW.
SO, UH, MY OPINION IS THAT, UH, IF, IF WE REVOKE THE CUP THIS EVENING, UH, THEY CAN APPEAL IT TO THE CITY COUNCIL WHERE THEY MAKE THE FINAL DECISION, OR THEY CAN WORK WITH STAFF TO GET A NEW CUP.
AND AS THEY PROMISED, WITHIN A COUPLE OF WEEKS, THEY CAN PROBABLY, UH, GET AN ANSWER.
I, I THINK THAT, UH, WE'VE COME TO THE END OF THE LINE.
AND WITH THAT BEING SAID, I WANT TO, UH, MAKE A MOTION.
UH, I WANT TO MAKE A MOTION, ADOPT THE NEXT RESOLUTION IN ORDER REVOKING CUP NUMBER 2115.
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A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.MOTION BE COMMISSIONER SOLE SECOND BY COMM.
COMMISSIONER, UH, EDISON, PLEASE VOTE.
MOTION CARRIES THREE VOTES, FOUR AND TWO VOTES AGAINST.
UH, YOU CAN, UH, APPEAL IT TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
IN THE MEANTIME, YOU CAN DO ALL THE THINGS THAT YOU HAVE DONE, OR YOU CAN, UH, APPLY FOR AN AMENDMENT WITH A, WITH A CITY AND SEE IF YOU CAN, UH, GET A NEW CUP IN ACCORDANCE WITH OUR REGULATIONS.
I'M SORRY THAT IT'S COME TO THIS, UH, SITUATION, BUT IT'S NOT THE END OF THE LINE.
YOU CAN STILL GO ON AND PROBABLY GO ON UNTIL BEFORE THE ESCROW OF ESCROW.
MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I MAY INTERJECT AS WELL.
UH, IT'S A 10 DAY APPEAL PERIOD.
SO THE APPEAL PERIOD ENDS ON, UH, JUNE 27TH AT 5:00 PM HEY, DID YOU HEAR THAT? JUNE 27TH AT 5:00 PM OKAY.
AND, UH, THANK YOU FOR DOING BUSINESS IN CAJON AND APPRECIATE IT,
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NEXT ITEM.IT'S, UH, THE PROJECT NAME IS, UH, CAROL'S COMMUNITY CARE, AND IT'S A REQUEST TO AMEND CUP NUMBER 180 5 AND ALSO 6 31 FOR A RESIDENTIAL CARE FACILITY.
IT'S CA EXEMPT AND STAFF IS RECOMMENDING TO APPROVE STAFF.
UH, SO HERE'S AN IMAGE OF, OF THE SUBJECT SITE AT 5 23, UH, EMERALD AVENUE.
UH, THIS PICTURE IS LOOKING EAST ON EMERALD AVENUE.
UH, SO WE'RE SOUTH OF WEST LEXINGTON AND THEN NORTH OF, UH, CHAMBERLAIN
SO FOR BACKGROUND PURPOSES, UH, DURING 2023, UH, STAFF HAD OBSERVED AN INCREASE IN CALLS FOR SERVICE AT THE FACILITY ON APRIL 16TH, 2024.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION CONDUCTED A REVIEW OF THE FACILITY, AND AFTER RECEIVING TESTIMONY, UH, ULTIMATELY DECIDED NOT TO SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING BASED ON ASSURANCES FROM THE OPERATOR THAT THEY WOULD WORK WITH STAFF TO ADDRESS THE PROBLEMS THAT WERE OCCURRING.
UH, STAFF DID MEET WITH THE OPERATOR EVERY FEW MONTHS, UH, DURING 2024.
UH, BUT CALLS FOR SERVICE, UH, REMAINED HIGH DURING THAT PERIOD.
UH, ULTIMATELY WE BROUGHT THIS ITEM BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION ON APRIL 1ST, 2025.
AND AT THAT TIME, THE PLANNING COMMISSION DIRECTED STAFF TO SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING TO LOOK AT WHETHER, UH, NEW CONDITIONS, OPERATIONAL CONDITIONS, OR SITE ENHANCEMENTS NEEDED TO OCCUR IN ORDER TO ENSURE COMPATIBILITY WITH SURROUNDING PROPERTIES.
UH, THE AGENDA REPORT INCLUDES THE COMPLAINTS, UH, THAT HAD BEEN FILED, UH, WITH THE STATE.
AND MANY OF THE COMPLAINTS THAT WERE FILED WITH THE STATE WERE SIMILAR TO THE CALLS FOR SERVICE, UH, THAT THE CITY HAS BEEN EXPERIENCING.
SO, ISSUES WERE THAT MANAGEMENT OR STAFF WERE NOT PRESENT.
UH, THERE WERE TRESPASSING ISSUES, UH, PROPERTY MAINTENANCE ISSUES, UH, NOISE COMPLAINTS.
UH, THERE WAS ALSO, UH, HEALTH CALLS FOR THINGS LIKE CRAMPING LEGS AND FALLS OR, UH, LIFT ASSIST.
SO IN STAFF'S OPINION, THESE, UH, COMPLAINTS AND CALLS FOR SERVICE COULD BE REDUCED OR ELIMINATED WITH MANAGEMENT THAT'S MORE EFFECTIVE, AS WELL AS OPERATIONAL PROGRAMMING AND PHYSICAL ENHANCEMENTS TO THE PROPERTY.
SO THESE ARE THE PROPOSED SITE OPERATIONS, UH, IMPROVEMENTS THAT STAFF IS PROPOSING.
UH, WE REALLY WERE LOOKING AT TAKING A COMMON SENSE APPROACH, UH, HOW TO ADDRESS SOME OF THESE ISSUES.
UH, SO ONE OF THE MAIN ISSUES WAS THAT THERE WAS NOT SECURED PERIMETER FENCING.
UM, SO PEOPLE COULD COME AND GO.
THERE WAS ISSUES WITH, UH, TRESPASSING WHERE, UH, PEOPLE, UH, THAT HAD BEEN EVICTED FROM THE FACILITY OR WEREN'T ALLOWED TO BE AT THE FACILITY WERE COMING ONTO THE PROPERTY.
AND THEN MANAGEMENT WAS CALLING THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO HAVE THEM REMOVED.
SO A LOCKED PERIMETER FENCE WOULD BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THAT.
UM, ADDITIONALLY, PROVIDING A TELEPHONE OR INTERCOM CONNECTION FROM THE LOCKED FENCE, UH, TO ONSITE STAFF FOR GUEST ACCESS, UH, WOULD BE REQUIRED.
UH, WE'RE NOT STIPULATING HOW THAT WOULD OCCUR.
YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE A PHONE NUMBER, IT COULD BE AN INTERCOM SYSTEM.
UH, WE'RE WILLING TO WORK WITH THE APPLICANT TO ADDRESS THAT.
UH, ANOTHER PROBLEM THAT WAS OCCURRING IS THAT, UH, CALLS WERE GOING UNANSWERED.
SO IF YOU REMEMBER, THERE WERE CALLS THAT WERE COMING FROM THE HOSPITAL BACK TO THE FACILITY TO HELP, UH, FACILITATE THE RELEASE, UH, OF A TENANT WHERE NO ONE WAS ANSWERING AND NO ACTION COULD BE TAKEN.
SO WE'RE ASKING, UH, THE OPERATOR TO IMPLEMENT A PHONE CALLING TREE, UH, SYSTEM THAT ALLOWS CALLS TO BE REDIRECTED WHEN THE, UH, PRIMARY ONSITE MANAGER IS NOT PRESENT, SO THAT THOSE CALLS CAN GO TO A BACKUP, UH, AND THEN A SUBSEQUENT BACKUP AS WELL.
AND THEN LASTLY, WE'RE ASKING, UH, FOR THE OPERATOR TO ENTER INTO A CONTRACTOR AGREEMENT FOR, UH, MEDICAL TRANSPORT FOR BASIC LIFE SERVICE.
UH, SO THERE WERE CERTAIN CALLS FOR SERVICE, LIKE I MENTIONED, FOR CRAMPING LEGS OR OTHER THINGS THAT MAY BE, UH, DONE WITHOUT, UH, A HEARTLAND FIRE, UH, RESPONSE.
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SO FOR THE PROPOSED ONGOING CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL, UH, WE ARE PROPOSING TO, UH, UPDATE THE MAXIMUM CAPACITY, UH, FOR THE FACILITY TO 70 INDIVIDUALS.IF YOU RECALL, IT WAS 58 INDIVIDUALS THAT WERE APPROVED BY THE, UH, THE PREVIOUS TWO CEPS.
UH, 70 INDIVIDUALS, UH, HAVE BEEN APPROVED BY THE STATE.
AND SO THIS UPDATE, UH, TO MAKE IT 70 INDIVIDUALS WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH THE STATE APPROVALS.
UM, STAFF DOES NOT HAVE A CONCERN WITH THE INCREASE, UM, IN CAPACITY AS LONG AS THE FACILITY IS PROPERLY MANAGED.
AND, UH, THESE IMPLEMENTATION MEASURES ARE, ARE, UM, REQUIRED, UH, SO THAT WE CAN REDUCE CALLS FOR SERVICE.
UH, THE ONGOING CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL ALSO REQUIRE THE MAINTENANCE OF THE SECURITY FENCING, MAINTAIN THE SECURITY OR THE, UH, MEDICAL TRANSPORT CONTRACT OR AGREEMENT.
UM, ENSURE THAT AN ONSITE MANAGER IS PRESENT AT ALL TIMES, 24 HOURS PER DAY.
UH, SOME OF THE EXPERIENCES FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS, UH, THEY'VE HAD CALLS WHERE THERE'S NOT AN ONSITE MANAGER THAT'S THERE, UM, AT NIGHT.
AND THEN, UH, WE'RE ALSO ASKING FOR, UH, THE OPERATOR TO PROVIDE CONTACT INFORMATION FOR THE ON-DUTY MANAGERS TO BE ON FILE WITH THE CITY SO THAT WE HAVE THE CONTACT INFORMATION AS WELL.
WE DID RECEIVE TWO WRITTEN COMMENTS FROM RESIDENTS IN THE VICINITY.
SO ONE WAS ATTACHED TO THE STAFF REPORT, AND THEN THE SECOND WAS DISTRIBUTED TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, THIS MORNING VIA EMAIL, AS WELL AS A COPY LEFT AT, AT THE DAIS HERE.
UM, AND WE DID RECEIVE ONE PHONE CALL, UH, FROM AN ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER.
UM, ALL OF THEM, UM, RELATED SIMILAR ISSUES, WHICH WERE THE FREQUENT POLICE ACTIVITY, UM, THE HIGH VOLUME OF, UH, CALLS FOR SERVICE THAT WERE HAPPENING OUT THERE, UH, THE TRESPASSING ISSUES, AS WELL AS NOISE ISSUES.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, STAFF WANT TO CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE OPERATOR AND, BUT WE WANT TO ENSURE THAT THE OPERATION OF THE FACILITY CAN BE, UH, COMPATIBLE WITH SURROUNDING PROPERTIES AND USES.
SO WHAT WE'RE ASKING THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO DO TONIGHT IS TO CONDUCT THE PUBLIC HEARING, ADOPT THE RESOLUTION, UM, SAYING THAT THE PROJECT IS EXEMPT FROM THE CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ACT, AND AS WELL AS APPROVE THE RESOLUTION FOR THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT UPDATE.
AND THEN WE WOULD SCHEDULE A REVIEW OF THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IN APPROXIMATELY 90 DAYS IN ORDER TO ENSURE THAT THEY'RE MAKING ADEQUATE PROGRESS ON THOSE SITE ENHANCEMENTS AND WHETHER OR NOT, UH, IT'S HELPING TO REDUCE THE CALLS FOR SERVICE THAT ARE OUT AT THE FACILITY.
UM, THE, BOTH THE, UH, POLICE DEPARTMENT AND FIRE DEPARTMENT HAVE BEEN VERY CONCERNED.
SO WE'VE BEEN WORKING PROACTIVELY WITH THEM.
SO THROUGHOUT 2024, WHEN WE MADE THOSE MULTIPLE VISITS TO THE SITE, WE HAD, UM, REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, AS WELL AS, UH, THE BUILDING OFFICIAL THAT WE'RE ACCOMPANYING ON THOSE INSPECTIONS.
UM, SO SPECIFICALLY I JUST WANNA ACKNOWLEDGE, UH, LIEUTENANT THORNTON FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WHO'S HERE, UH, HE CAN SPEAK TO ANY OF THE CALLS FOR SERVICE FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT'S PERSPECTIVE.
AND THEN, UH, DIVISION CHIEF NEVIN FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IS ALSO HERE.
SO THEY'RE VERY CONCERNED, AND WE'VE WORKED PROACTIVELY WITH THEM, AS I SAID, IN ORDER TO DRAFT THESE, UH, OPERATIONAL CONDITIONS.
AND AGAIN, WHAT WE THINK WE'RE RECOMMENDING IS JUST SOME COMMON, A COMMON SENSE APPROACH TO THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT THAT CAN HELP REDUCE CALLS FOR SERVICE AND ENSURE COMPATIBILITY.
SO THAT, UH, CONCLUDES STAFF'S PRESENTATION.
HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
UH, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? NO.
REAL QUICK, REAL QUICK QUESTION, UM, OF, OF THE CALLS FOR SERVICE, HOW MANY WERE INITIATED BY THE CLIENTS? BECAUSE I DO KNOW THE CLIENTS, THE ONLY THING THEY KNOW IS 9 1 1, AND HOW MANY WERE FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE, IF YOU KNOW THAT NUMBER? UM, I DON'T HAVE THAT NUMBER QUANTIFIED DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF ME.
I KNOW THAT THE, UM, THAT, UH, THE POLICE AT FIRE DEPARTMENTS CAN, UH, RESPOND TO SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS AS WELL AS I'M SURE THE OPERATOR CAN.
I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT AT THE PREVIOUS HEARING IS THAT A LOT OF THE CLIENTS ON SITE, UH, ARE OPERATING, UH, WITH, UH, CELL PHONES AND THEY'RE COMMUNICATING DIRECTLY.
UM, WE DID IN THE STAFF PRESENTATION, UH, INCLUDE, UH, THE CALLS FOR SERVICE OVER A LIMITED DURATION TIME.
UM, AND SO THAT WAS BETWEEN, SORRY.
SO, UM, THE MOST RECENT, UM, STAFF REVIEW OF CALLS FOR SERVICE BETWEEN BETWEEN DECEMBER 1ST, 2024 THROUGH FEBRUARY 28TH, 2025, UH, FOUND A TOTAL OF 47 CALLS FOR SERVICE.
UM, AND THEN OF THOSE TOTAL CALLS, 22 WERE FROM CAROL'S RESIDENCE, UH, 12, UH, WERE FROM CAROL'S STAFF, UH, FIVE WERE FROM GROSSMONT HOSPITAL, ONE FROM ADULT PROTECTIVE SERVICES, ONE FROM, UH, SOCIAL SERVICES, AND ONE, UH, IDENTIFIED AS A MENTAL HEALTH CLINICIAN.
AND MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I MAY, I APOLOGIZE, BUT, UH, I DO HAVE, UH, STAFF REQUESTING IF WE COULD TAKE JUST A QUICK, UH, FIVE MINUTE, UH, BREAK, UH, PRIOR TO OPENING THE PUBLIC HEARING.
LET'S TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK.
I THINK WE'RE GOING TO OPEN IT TO A PUBLIC, UH, COMMENT, I BELIEVE.
SO LET'S, UH, OPEN IT UP FOR A PUBLIC COMMENT.
UH, DO YOU HAVE A SPEAKER CARD? UH, LAURA? YES.
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I REMEMBER YOU.WELL, I THOUGHT THIS WAS OVER BECAUSE YOU GUYS SHELVED THE AMENDMENTS, BUT, UH, IT DOESN'T LOOK THAT WAY.
SO, UM, I DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT TO SAY EXCEPT FOR THE FACT OF WHAT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU GUYS WANT, WHAT THEY WANT ME TO DO.
AND, UH, THE FACT THAT HE'S MADE THESE REQUESTS THAT WE'VE ALREADY COMPLETED AND DONE, OUR POLICE, UH, INVOLVEMENT HAS REDUCED.
I JUST TURNED OVER A LETTER TO HIM THAT, THAT'S MY POLICE LOG, WHICH STATES WHO CALLED THE POLICE AND WHO DIDN'T.
UH, ACCORDING TO MY RECORDS, WE ARE NOT ABUSING THE SYSTEM.
I THINK MY STAFF CALLED 9 1 1 2 TIMES SINCE FEBRUARY 1ST, AND THE REST WERE BY RESIDENTS OR THE REST.
AND, UH, FOR, UH, PER TEAM WAS THE OTHER ONES.
SO, UM, AS FAR AS THE REST OF THE FACILITY GOES, I'VE PUT A PERIMETER FENCE IN.
THE GATE IS CLOSED AT THE END OF WORK DAYS, SO WE CAN, YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN THE STAFFS ARE GONE, UH, AND THEN OPEN BACK UP IN THE MORNING.
UH, WE'VE ALSO HAVE A PHONE CALLING TREE, WHERE IF IN FACT, THE CALLS COME IN, MY STAFF ARE ALERTED.
AND IF NOBODY'S THERE TO ANSWER THE PHONE BECAUSE THEY'RE BUSY DOING SOMETHING ELSE, THAT PHONE IS, UM, CHANGED OVER TO, UH, WHAT YOU CALL IT.
UH, CALL FORWARD TO MY, TO MY, IT'S CALL FORWARDED TO MY ADMINISTRATOR, MANAGER'S, UH, PHONES.
SO THAT'S ALREADY TAKEN PLACE.
UH, WE HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH MCRT.
UH, WE USE A PRIVATE AMBULANCE, UH, FOR TRANSPORTS, WHICH YOU'LL SEE IN A CASE OF, UH, A VIOLENT SCENARIO.
UH, WE, THEY WILL NOT DO ANYTHING IF THE PERSON IS NOT WANTING TO GO TO THE HOSPITAL AND HE REFUSES, WE HAVE TO GO WITH ANOTHER MEANS.
SO IF IT'S VIOLENCE AND HE'S, UH, ATTEMPTING SUICIDE OR TRYING TO HURT SOMEBODY ELSE, HE'S MOVED OUT.
UH, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO CALL THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
UM, THEY, WE ARE NOT HAVING ONGOING ISSUES WITH UNAUTHORIZED PEOPLE ANYMORE.
WE'VE HAD ONE PERSON IN THE LAST COUPLE MONTHS THAT HAS VIOLATED HIS RESTRAINING ORDER BY COMING IN, TRYING TO SELL DRUGS TO OUR PEOPLE.
AND, UH, JUST BEING VAGRANT AND STAYING THERE AND HANGING OUT, WE'VE REMOVED HIM.
IN FACT, ONE OF MY RESIDENTS, RESIDENTS KNOCKED HIM OUT BECAUSE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WOULDN'T, UH, DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
SO, AND THEN HE WAS SUBSEQUENTLY ARRESTED FOR ASSAULT.
BUT, UM, IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, SO ANYWAY, AND THEN THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT HE'S TALKED ABOUT WERE, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, THE METAL FENCE WROUGHT IRON AROUND THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY.
WE'VE ELIMINATED THE, UH, UH, SETBACK FROM THE SIDEWALK TO DETER PEOPLE FROM SLEEPING THERE.
UM, AND WE'VE GOT THE GATES UP.
UM, WE HAVE, WE REMOVED THE SIGN BECAUSE EVERYBODY SAYS THAT WE ATTRACT HOMELESS PEOPLE.
WE REMOVED OUR SIGN THAT SAID CAROL'S COMMUNITY CARE, BECAUSE THERE WERE, UH, YOU KNOW, SYNONYMOUS, SYNONYMOUS WITH, UH, A COMMUNITY CENTER SUPPOSEDLY.
SO PEOPLE WERE THINKING THAT THEY COULD COME THERE AND GET A FREE SHOWER, FREE MEALS, HANG OUT, SLEEP, DO WHATEVER THEY WANTED TO DO.
UM, I RECEIVED A GRANT FROM THE GOVERNMENT, UH, TO DO REMODELS.
SO WE'VE, WE'VE, UH, BASICALLY, LET'S SEE.
WE PUT IN NEW TREES, SHRUBS, PLANTS ALONG THE FENCE, LINE, THE YARDS.
UH, WE'VE REMOVED THE DEAD TREES, THE DEAD PLANTS, THE PARKING LOTS WERE COMPLETELY REDONE.
THE DEBRIS WAS MOVED FROM THE YARD CLEANED UP AND, AND IS, AND THE YARD IS BEING REPLANTED.
UH, ALL THE BUILDINGS HAVE BEEN UPGRADED.
THERE'S BEEN, WE PUT IN NEW ROOFS TO PREVENT THE LEAKS AND THE MOLD.
THAT ONE COMPLAINT THAT WAS, UH, SUBSTANTIATED BY THE STATE THAT WE HAD MOLD IN THE ATTIC OF ONE OF THE BUILDINGS.
WE PUT IN A NEW ROOF, NEW, NEW, UH, SIDINGS.
THE EXTERIOR OF THE BU BUILDING HAS BEEN PATCHED AND PAINTED, SO IT LOOKS REALLY NICE NOW.
UH, THE PICTURE YOU SAW UP THERE IS NOT WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE
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NOW.WE PUT NEW DOORS, NEW WINDOWS, THE WHOLE ENTIRE PLACE.
WE INSTALLED EXTERIOR LIGHTING, LIKE WE SAID WE WERE GOING TO DO TO LIGHT UP THE PLACE SO THAT WE CAN GET RID OF THE HOMELESS PEOPLE, WHICH WE'VE DONE.
IN FACT, IT'S A LITTLE TOO MUCH FOR ME, BUT IT'S PRETTY LIT UP.
UH, THE SECOND STORY, BUILDING'S GOT NEW RAILINGS, UH, VERY HEAVY DUTY RAILINGS.
SO THEY'RE ABOVE AND BEYOND CODE, WHICH, UH, YOU KNOW, HAS BEEN TAKING PLACE IN THE STAIRWELLS, THE WHOLE NINE YARDS.
WE PUT SECURITY CAMERAS IN, IN THE BACK OF THE BUILDING AND AROUND THE PERIMETER TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE, 'CAUSE WE ARE BEING, UH, SHOT AT BY THE NEIGHBORS, BY, UH, SOME NEIGHBORS IN THE PARKING LOT BEHIND US ON THE OTHER SIDE OF OUR ALLEY ARE SHOOTING TRY, ARE SHOOTING OUR WINDOWS OUT THAT WE JUST PUT IN.
AND THE POLICE WON'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT THAT.
SO WE ARE, WE'VE, YOU KNOW, WE PUT UP CAMERAS TO SEE IF WE CAN VISUALLY FIND OUT WHO'S DOING IT.
AND, UH, SO, AND WE'VE UPGRADED OUR ELECTRICAL.
I BROUGHT IN, UH, MORE MANAGEMENT PEOPLE TO ANSWER PHONES.
THE, UH, MR. MEYERS, YOUR, YOUR TIME IS OUT.
HOW MUCH TIME DO YOU NEED? HOW MUCH MORE TIME DO YOU NEED? JUST A COUPLE MINUTES.
I MEAN, I, I'VE GOT GAVE YOU THE FACILITY LOG BOOK.
UH, I'VE ADDRESSED THE ISSUES WITH, UH, UM, EVERY ONE OF THOSE.
YOU CAN SEE WHERE THEY'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT ANYWHERE NEAR WHAT THEY SAID WE WERE IN THE PAST.
SO, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'VE DONE IS, IS PRETTY REMARKABLE FOR WHAT WE'VE GOT.
WE'VE EVICTED NUMEROUS PEOPLES TO GET RID OF, UH, UM, ANY OF THE SITUATIONS.
I THINK I HAD IT WRITTEN DOWN HERE THAT I, UH, I CAN'T EVEN FIND IT.
I'M TRYING, I'M TRYING TO RUSH NOW.
BUT ANYWAY, I THINK IT'S, UH, MOST OF THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE CAUSED THIS PROBLEMS HAVE BEEN REMOVED, EVICTED.
WE'VE, WE'VE GOT SOMEWHERES OVER 40, SOME PEOPLE THAT WE'VE EVICTED IN THE LAST, SINCE, UH, THE BEGINNING OF 24.
THIS YEAR ALONE, IT'S BEEN, I THINK WE'VE GOTTEN RID OF THINGS FROM THE NEIGHBORS THAT WEREN'T HERE.
BUT, UH, ANYWAY, SO WE
UM, SO I MEAN, WE'VE DONE A REMARKABLE TURNAROUND ON ANY OF THE ABUSE FOR ANY OF THE SYSTEMS WHATSOEVER.
UH, BUT WE'RE STILL GETTING HARASSED AND THREATENED ON A CONSTANT BASIS.
AND I, I DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT ELSE I CAN DO TO KEEP THIS GOING, BECAUSE I MEAN, I'VE BEEN THERE FOR 50 YEARS AND WE'VE TAKEN CARE OF THE HOMELESS AND MENTAL MENTALLY ILL PEOPLE.
AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE WE FIT IN THAT COMMUNITY.
WE ARE THE COMMUNITY IN THAT AREA.
SO, YOU KNOW, THIS IS, THIS HAS JUST KIND OF GOTTEN A LITTLE OUTTA CONTROL AND OUTTA HAND.
AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND REALLY WHAT'S THE GOAL FOR THIS CONTINUED BASHING OF MY CREDIBILITY AND MY FACILITY OF NOT FITTING INTO THE PUBLIC.
WELL, MR. MYERS, IT LOOKS LIKE, UH, YOU'VE DONE QUITE A BIT.
WE HAVE TO IMPROVE THE PREMISES.
I SPENT OVER A MILLION, SOME ODD DOLLARS JUST IN RENOVATIONS ALONE.
WELL, YOU, YOU NEED TO BE COMMENDED FOR THAT.
SO OBVIOUSLY YOU'VE READ ALL THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL AND, UH, YOU AGREE WITH THEM, CORRECT? YES.
SO I, I THINK THAT, UH, EVERYTHING IS WORKING OUT PRETTY WELL FROM, UH, WHAT YOU SAY, YOU KNOW? RIGHT.
I MEAN, I HAVE 100%, I HAVE THE BACKING OF THE STATE, THE COUNTY, YOU KNOW, AND EVERYBODY, AND WE'VE DONE EVERYTHING WE CAN TO CUT EVERYTHING DOWN.
UH, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE CALLING, UH, WHAT'S THAT? WELL, WE'RE, WE HAVE TO FOLLOW LICENSEE.
WE HAVE TO FOLLOW THE REGULATIONS.
AND, AND IT'S, AND IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS IS, UH, IT'S GOTTEN, I DON'T KNOW.
IT'S, IT'S, IT'S GETTING, I MEAN, I'VE BEEN HASSLED WITH THIS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, SINCE 1986.
YOU KNOW, AND, AND IT'S LIKE, I'VE BEEN TOLD I CAN'T REBUILD, I CAN'T DO THIS, I CAN'T DO THAT BECAUSE IT VIOLATES THE CONDITION USE PERMIT.
WELL, I THINK, I THINK YOU'RE NEEDED IN THE COMMUNITY, YOUR FACILITY'S NEEDED IN THE COMMUNITY.
YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WE, WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, I, AND THEN TO ADDRESS THE TWO LETTERS, UH, OF COMPLAINTS I READ 'EM, I THINK I WROTE A LETTER BACK TO, TO NOAH THIS MORNING REGARDING THE, ONE OF THE, THE COMPLAINTS, WHICH IS PRETTY MUCH THE BOTH OF THEM.
AND THE PEOPLE THAT THEY'RE SAYING ARE, ARE OUR CLIENTS, UH, THAT ARE CAUSING THE DISRUPTION IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ARE NOT MY CLIENTS.
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WE'RE CALLING THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ON THOSE SAME VARIOUS PEOPLE FOR VACANCIES, YELLING, SCREAMING, AND EVERYTHING ELSE.I TOOK MY, I WE HAVE A PICTURE OF ONE OF 'EM.
LET ME ASK IF, UH, THE PLANNING COMMISSIONER HAS ANY QUESTIONS.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? ANY OF YOU? I JUST, COMMISSIONER EDISON, I DON'T SEE ANYTHING FOR A REVOKE HERE.
AM I, AM I MISREADING THIS? YEAH, SO THAT'S, SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO TONIGHT.
SO, UH, AT THE LAST HEARING, UH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAD THE ABILITY TO, UH, INITIATE A, UH, REVOCATION OF THE PERMIT OR TO AMEND THE PERMIT.
SO AT THIS TIME, WHAT WE'RE ASKING THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO DO IS JUST TO AMEND THE PERMIT SO THAT THERE IS MORE, UH, RIGID CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL WHERE WE CAN HOLD, UH, THE OPERATOR ACCOUNTABLE.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I HEARD IN THE TESTIMONY HERE IN THE LAST COUPLE MINUTES WAS THAT WE PUT IN THE GATE AND THAT THE GATE IS OPEN AND THEN WE CLOSE IT AT NIGHT.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, THAT WE'VE ASKED, UH, OVER 20, 24 MULTIPLE TIMES, IS FOR THEM TO KEEP THE GATE CLOSED AND LOCKED AT ALL TIMES AND TO IMPLEMENT, UH, A SECURITY PROTOCOL OR GUEST ACCESS.
'CAUSE ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT WERE, WERE EXPERIENCED IN THE PAST WAS THAT PEOPLE THAT HAD BEEN EVICTED HAD, UH, COME BACK ONTO THE PROPERTY AND THEN HAD TO BE REMOVED.
SO THAT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT WE THINK IS A COMMON SENSE MEASURE, WHERE THAT IF THEY CAN, UH, GATE THE ENTIRE FACILITY, HAVE IT BE SECURED AND NOT ALLOW GUEST ACCESS WITHOUT SOMEONE CALLING THE MANAGER TO LET THEM IN.
SO THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE IN THOSE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL.
THAT'S CONTRARY TO, TO WHAT THE SPEAKER HAS SAID.
DID YOU HEAR THAT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING BACK TO THE FACILITY ARE HOMELESS PEOPLE THAT WE DON'T WANT THERE? THAT'S WHY THE GATES WERE PUT UP, AND THAT'S WHAT IT IS.
AND WE, LIKE I SAID, WE ELIMINATED THE SETBACK.
SO THEY CAN'T CAMP IN FRONT OF OUR PROPERTY ANYMORE.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE POLICE REPORTS, WE'RE NOT CALLING THE POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR GRACIE ANYMORE.
WE'RE NOT CALLING FOR TRESPASSING ANYMORE.
I HAVE ONE PERSON THAT KEEPS COMING BACK AND WE KEEP THROWING HIM OUT AND HE HAS A RESTRAINING ORDER AGAINST HIM.
WELL, MR. AVI, WHAT HE SAID IS HE, HE WANTS THE, HE WANTS THE GATE, THE GATE TO BE, TO BE LOCKED.
HE, I CANNOT LOCK THAT GATE 24 7 BECAUSE THESE PEOPLE HAVE A RIGHT TO COME AND GO AS THEY PLEASE.
THEY HAVE, THEY, THEY ARE NOT COMPETENT ENOUGH TO HAVE A KEY TO OPEN AND CLOSE THE KEY.
I THINK MR. ALVY HAS A RESPONSE TO THAT.
MR. ALAVI, YOU HAVE A RESPONSE TO THAT.
I DID, I DID MEET WITH, UH, DEPARTMENT OF SOCIAL SERVICES AND THE COUNTY OF SAN DIEGO, AND THEY SAID THAT THERE'S NO OBJECTIONS TO A SECURED FACILITY.
SO THAT CAN BE REQUIRED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS, IF I CAN INTERJECT, THE GATES SHUT WHEN SOMEONE'S LEAVING, GATE OPENS UP, THEY WALK OUT WHEN THEY WANT TO COME BACK IN, THEY PUNCH A LITTLE A CODE OR, OR WHATEVER.
A KEY OR A FOB OR ANY OTHER TYPE OF SECURED ACCESS.
SO DID, DID YOU HEAR THAT THE CODE, THE CODE OF THE CODE OF REGULATIONS STATES IN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT STATED THIS TO ME TOO? I HAD THE NURSING HOME ON MOLLISON.
THEY CAME OUT AND TOLD ME, THESE PEOPLE ARE MENTALLY ILL.
SO BASICALLY WHAT IT IS, IS THAT IF, IF IN FACT I PUT A DOOR OR A GATE WITH A CODE ON IT, I HAVE TO POST THE CODE ABOVE THE GATE CODE SO THEY KNOW WHAT IT IS AT ALL TIMES.
SO THEY CAN COME AND GO AND GET OUT OF THE BUILDING IF THEY NEED BE.
WELL, LET ME ASK, UH, UH, MR. AVI AGAIN, MR. AVI, YOU HEARD WHAT, UH, MR. MEYER SAID.
SO YOU SPOKE WITH THE, UH, COUNTY? YES, WITH THE, IT WAS WITH THE STATE LICENSING.
UM, SO THEY, IT WOULD BE REQUIRED, UH, IN THE CONDITIONS.
IT REQUIRES APPROVAL FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
SO, UH, WE DO HAVE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, UH, HERE TONIGHT.
THEY CAN SPEAK TO THAT, BUT THEY WOULD HAVE TO PROVIDE, UM, LIKE A NOX BOX ACCESS THAT ALLOWS EMERGENCY ACCESS.
UM, OBVIOUSLY IT'S MORE INCONVENIENT FOR THE OPERATOR TO, TO HAVE TO PUT IN A PROCEDURE FOR A MANAGER TO LET PEOPLE IN IF THEY LOSE THEIR KEY.
UH, BUT THE, UM, STATE MADE IT CLEAR THAT THAT IS NOT, UH, SOMETHING, UH, THAT, UH, OR THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN REQUIRE.
E EXPLAIN TO US WHAT IS A NOX BOX? UH, A NOX BOX IS JUST A METHOD FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT TO GAIN ACCESS.
SO LIKE ON A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY, IF THE SITE IS SECURED, UM, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT CAN GAIN ACCESS WHEN IT'S LOCKED, UH, AFTER HOURS WHEN THEY'RE CLOSED.
AND ALSO, UH, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IS HERE TO ADDRESS THAT QUESTION AS WELL.
UH, ANY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? AND THEN AS FAR AS ALL THE OTHER, YOU DO HAVE A PHONE TREE NOW.
YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOU DO HAVE A PHONE TREE.
YOU'RE SAYING THAT, UM, YOU, YOU, WELL, THEY'RE ASKING FOR A CONTRACT WITH, UH, TRANSPORTATION AND, UH, PROVIDE TELEPHONE INTERCOM CONNECTION.
YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOU DO HAVE THAT? YES.
AND THEN YOU DO HAVE THE SECURED PERIMETER.
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COMES DOWN TO THAT DOOR COMES DOWN TO PUTTING A LOCK ON A DOOR.YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I CAN, I HAVE A, A BIG SWINGING GATE THAT WE CAN, WE PADLOCK, WE CLOSE IT AT NIGHT.
WE HAVE A SMALL GATE SO THEY CAN GO IN AND OUT THERE.
WE'RE NOT HAVING A HOMELESS ISSUE.
THE, THE ISSUE WITH THE GATE ORIGINALLY WAS TO KEEP THE HOMELESS PEOPLE OUT AND KEEP THE VAGRANCY OUT.
WE'RE NOT HAVING THAT PROBLEM ANYMORE.
WE'RE TAKING CARE OF IT ON OURSELVES.
WE'RE NOT CALLING THE POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR TRESPASSERS ANYMORE.
IT'S SOMETHING OTHER THAN THE PADLOCK.
SOMETHING THAT, UH, CAN BE ACCESSED TO OPEN AND CLOSE.
UM, COMMISSIONER CIRCLE, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE A FROWN IN YOUR FACE.
UM, I THINK THE, THE COUNCIL IS, OR THE COUNCIL, THE COMMISSION IS TALKING AT CROSS PURPOSES.
THE ISSUE IS NOT SO MUCH FIRE ACCESS AS THE RESIDENTS ACCESS.
AND HAVING WORKED WITH THIS POPULATION FOR A MERE NINE MONTHS, YOU CAN'T GIVE THEM A KEY.
THEY FORGET THE CODE, MISREMEMBER THE CODE, GIVE THE KEY TO SOMEBODY ELSE, GIVE THE FOB TO SOMEBODY ELSE.
IT, IT'S, IT'S NOT A QUESTION OF HOW CAN WE SECURE IT TO LET THEM BACK IN.
IT'S MORE OF AN ISSUE OF, UM, UH, FOR EXAMPLE, SET WHAT USED TO BE SET FREE.
THESE COUNTY TRANSITIONAL LIVING CENTER, THEY HAVE A GATE, THEY HAVE A SECURITY GUARD AT THE GATE, BECAUSE OTHERWISE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ALLOWED ON CAN'T GET IN.
AND THE PEOPLE WHO AREN'T ALLOWED ON CAN GET IN.
SO, UH, TO HIS POINT, UNLESS HE STAFFS THE GATE AT ALL HOURS OR WHENEVER THE RESIDENTS ARE ALLOWED TO COME AND GO, IT CAN'T BE LOCKED.
BUT WHAT I'M HEARING FROM HIM IS THAT THE ISSUES THAT THEY WERE HAVING BEFORE HAVE BEEN SOLVED BY THE GATE THAT IS.
SO, MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I MAY INTERJECT.
YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR IS WE'RE, WE'RE NOT PRESCRIBING A SPECIFIC METHOD METHOD FOR THE LOCK.
UM, SO IT, IT COULD BE AN INTERCOM SYSTEM, IT COULD BE LIKE A, UM, LIKE A RING CAMERA WHERE, YOU KNOW, LIKE A RING CAMERA.
IF YOU COME AND DROP OFF A PACKAGE, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN OPEN THE DOOR SOMETIMES TO LET SOMEONE COME IN.
UH, THERE'S ANY TYPES OF METHODS THAT WE COULD SUPPORT IN ORDER TO, UH, HAVE PEOPLE ACCESS THE PROPERTY.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE, LIKE I SAID, A LITTLE VIDEO INTERFACE THERE.
UH, BUT ALL WE'RE ASKING IS FOR THE FACILITY TO BE SECURED IN THAT FASHION.
AND I DO, I WOULD ALSO, UM, JUST QUICKLY REFERENCE THAT MAYBE AFTER, UH, WE FINISH WITH THE, THE TESTIMONY FROM THE SPEAKER, IF WE COULD HAVE MAYBE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND FIRE DEPARTMENT COME DOWN AND SPEAK TO THEIR EXPERIENCES.
UM, I THINK WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO, AGAIN, AS, UH, AS THE CHAIR SAID IS THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, THIS IS AN IMPORTANT FACILITY THAT'S PROVIDING A SERVICE, BUT WE ALSO WANT TO BALANCE THAT WITH THE, UM, THE QUALITY OF LIFE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND MAKING SURE THAT IT'S WORKING IN A COMPATIBLE FASHION WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO WE THINK THAT IT'S A PRETTY COMMON SENSE MEASURE TO HAVE THE FACILITY LOCKED AND SECURED AND THE OTHER MEASURES THAT WE'VE INTEGRATED, UM, INTO THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
SO, UM, SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS, UH, GIVE THE APPLICANT THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE THOSE ENHANCEMENTS.
AND THEN OVER THE NEXT 90 DAYS, IF WE GO OUT TO THE FACILITY AND WE SEE THAT THE GATE'S OPEN, UH, IF WE, UM, IF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS RESPONDING TO A CALL ON A SUNDAY NIGHT AT 2:00 AM AND THEY ENTER THE FACILITY AND AN ONSITE MANAGER'S NOT THERE, WE'LL BE DOCUMENTING THAT.
AND IF THERE'S CONTINUE TO BE THESE ISSUES, UH, THAT, THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND FIRE DEPARTMENT ARE EXPERIENCING, UH, WILL BRING THAT BACK.
AND THEN THE COMMISSION COULD CONSIDER REVOCATION AT THAT POINT.
BUT WE WANNA GIVE THE APPLICANT THE OPPORTUNITY TO BETTER MANAGE AND OPERATE THE FACILITY WITHIN THE CONFINES OF WHAT'S REQUIRED BY, UH, BOTH THE STATE AND THE COUNTY, AND TO IMPROVE THAT OPERATION.
AND THEN, UH, WE CAN MOVE FORWARD AND SEE HOW IT WORKS.
COMMISSIONER P*****K, RUDE, JUST A QUESTION REGARDING A GATE.
THIS GATE THAT YOU WANT LOCKED, IS IT THE GATE IN THE FRONT OR IS THERE A GATE MAYBE THAT ENTERS THE PROPERTY ITSELF THAT, THAT THEY NEED LOCKED? OR IS IT BOTH THAT YOU, YOU NEED LOCKED? I'M JUST, SO WE'RE ASKING THEM TO SECURE THE ENTIRETY OF THE FACILITY SO NO GUESTS CAN ACCESS THE FACILITY WITHOUT CONTACTING THE MANAGER.
THERE'S A, THE PARKING, THERE'S PARK, THE PARKING LOT.
THERE'S A ROLLING GATE FOR, UH, VEHICLES THAT CAN DRIVE IN.
AND THERE'S ALSO A, UM, A PERSON GATE FOR, UM, PER PEDESTRIAN ACCESS.
SO, 'CAUSE I KNOW A LOT OF THE BUILDINGS HAVE, WERE ON THE INSIDE, YOU CAN GET OUT WITHOUT HAVING A KEY.
AND, AND THEN THAT WOULD BE THE CASE HERE AS WELL.
AND, AND, AND THEN, BUT TO COME BACK IN, YOU WOULD NEED A CODE OR SOMETHING, OR THE FACIAL ID OR SOMETHING WHERE THEY RING A BELL AND THEY COULD JUST BUZZ IT IN OR WHATEVER.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE THERE STAFFED AND YOU WON'T HAVE TO GIVE THEM A KEY OF SOMETHING.
BUT I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE ROLLING GATE, HOW THAT, I MEAN, THAT'S A COST
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FOR THEM.YEAH, THAT WOULD BE, ULTIMATELY IT WOULD BE THE APPLICANT CAN PROPOSE SOMETHING.
UH, THE WAY THE CONDITION IS WRITTEN IS THAT IT NEEDS TO BE REVIEWED BY COMMUNITY CARE LICENSING, UH, AND THE STATE AND THAT THE, UM, 'CAUSE THE STATE ASKED, UH, TO REVIEW THE GATE.
AND THEN, UH, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IS ALSO ASKING TO REVIEW THAT FOR THE EMERGENCY ACCESS PURPOSES.
SO IT WOULD BE RE REVIEWED AND APPROVED BY BOTH OF THOSE PRIOR TO IMPLEMENTATION.
AND WE'RE OPEN TO ANY NUMBER OF DIFFERENT CONFIGURATIONS.
UH, WE'RE JUST LOOKING TO HAVE IT SECURED.
SO WHICHEVER UH, WORKS THE BEST FOR THE OPERATOR, UH, WE WOULD AS LONG AS IT'S SECURE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? MY, MY, MY QUESTION WOULD BE, WHAT'S THE PURPOSE OF ME HAVING TO HAVE THIS THING SECURED 24 7? WHY DO I HAVE TO LOCK THIS FACILITY AND LOCK THESE PEOPLE IN OR OUT 24 7, PLEASE.
I, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT HIS, THE HANGUP IS ON THIS ISSUE OF LOCKING IT DOWN.
WE ARE NOT, THE PEOPLE IN THE STREET ARE NOT CAROL'S COMMUNITY CARE.
WE'RE BEING CONDEMNED FOR ACTS OF WHATEVER GOING ON IN THE STREETS.
I HAVE PICTURES OF THE PEOPLE THAT WE'RE ON THE STREETS THAT THEY'RE CALLING ABOUT A GIRL SCREAMING AND YELLING.
I KNOW THAT GIRL SCREAMING, YELLING.
I'VE CALLED THE POLICE ON HER TOO, MULTIPLE TIMES.
SHE'S NOT ONE OF MY RESIDENTS.
THERE'S A GUY SLEEPING IN A DUMPSTER BEHIND THE APARTMENT COMPLEX ACROSS THE STREET.
WELL, THEY WANT TO, UH, THE CITY WANTS THE PROPERTY TO BE SECURED AND THOSE PEOPLE THAT YOU JUST MENTIONED, NOT TO BE ABLE TO COME INTO YOUR PROPERTY.
WE DON'T WANT 'EM TO COME INTO YOUR PROPERTY.
YOU KNOW, I MEAN, UNLESS I PUT A CODE ON THAT GATE THAT'S 9 1 1, THESE PEOPLE AREN'T GONNA REMEMBER IT.
SO THAT'S THE ONLY NUMBER THEY WELL, THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN WORK OUT WITH THE STAFF.
MY STAFF HAS TO RUN OUT THERE WITH, WITH, WITH OUR STAFF RIGHT HERE.
WELL, THEY DON'T WANNA WORK WITH ME.
THEY JUST WANT TO TELL ME TO DO SOMETHING AND THAT'S IT.
I HAVEN'T TALKED TO THIS MAN SINCE THE BEFORE LAST MEETING.
BUT YET AGAIN, THEY SEND PEOPLE OUT THERE TO HARASS MY BUILDERS AND ASKED FOR PERMITS THAT THEY KNOW THEY'VE ALREADY ISSUED AND THEN GIVING THEM A HARD TIME.
WELL, I, I'M FINDING, YOU KNOW, OUR STAFF IS PRETTY ACCOMMODATING.
THEY'RE ACCOMMODATING BECAUSE I DON'T EVEN, I DON'T KNOW WHY HE HASN'T SAID WHAT HE, HE'S DONE NOTHING BUT HARASS ME AND HASSLE ME AND, AND ASKED ME TO DO THINGS THAT HE KNOWS THAT CAN'T BE DONE.
HE'S FIXED ON THIS GATE SITUATION.
AND THE GATE SITUATION WAS TO STOP THE HOMELESS FROM ENTERING.
WE ARE NOT HAVING A HOMELESS PROBLEM ANYMORE BECAUSE EVIDENTLY THEY'VE MOVED THE HOMELESS OFF TO ANOTHER AREA.
SO TO, TO LOCK THESE PEOPLE IN AND, AND WHAT, WHAT THEY'RE SAYING NOW IS THEY'RE GONNA LOCK MY PEOPLE IN AND THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO WALK OUT OF THE PROPERTY WHEN THEY'RE, THEY ARE FREE TO COME AND GO LIKE ANY OTHER HUMAN CITIZEN IN THIS, IN THIS AREA.
THIS IS NOT A LOCKED FACILITY.
WELL, WHAT WHAT I JUST HEARD IS THAT, THAT USUALLY PEOPLE FROM THE INSIDE, THERE'S A HANDLE.
THEY JUST TURN AND OPEN THE GATE, BUT THERE IS NOT, NOT A LOCK.
HOW THEY GET BACK O ONLY TO GET IN.
AND SO WHEN THEY COME BACK IN, THEY CAN REACH THROUGH THE GATE, OPEN IT UP AND WALK IN.
EITHER, UH, AN INTERCOM SYSTEM OR A FACIAL SYSTEM.
OR A VIDEO SYSTEM OF SOME SORT.
AND HOW MUCH MONEY DO YOU THINK I'M MAKING FROM THESE PEOPLE TO, TO HIRE ANOTHER PERSON TO STAND OUT THERE 24 7 JUST TO OPEN AND CLOSE A DOOR? I DON'T MAKE MONEY LIKE THAT.
YOU, WE, WE COLLECT SOCIAL SECURITY BENEFITS FOR DISABILITY PEOPLE.
DON'T, THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS A MONTH.
I THINK THERE'S, UH, APPS NOW THAT ON THE PHONE, THEN WHEN SOMEBODY COMES IN THE FRONT DOOR, THE, THE PHONE WILL RING AND SAID THERE'S SOMEBODY AT THE FRONT DOOR AND THEN YOU CAN DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
IT'S CALLED THE RING CAMERA AND OTHER CAMERAS AS WELL, THAT THEY HAVE AN APP.
OH, THERE, MR. CHAIRMAN, IF HE, THERE'S ALL KINDS OF THINGS.
MR. CHAIRMAN, IF, IF YOU COULD, UH, ANY COMMENTS FROM THE AUDIENCE, IF YOU COULD ASK THEM, ASK THEM TO COME AND SPEAK UP AT THE MICROPHONE AND INTRODUCE THEMSELVES.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I THINK I WOULD RECOMMEND AT THIS POINT, JUST TO HAVE THAT TESTIMONY THAT WE TALKED ABOUT FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND POLICE DEPARTMENT ABOUT THEIR EXPERIENCES.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH MR. MYERS.
MAYBE WE COULD ASK LIEUTENANT THORNTON TO COME DOWN TO THE MICROPHONE AND JUST TALK ABOUT SOME OF THOSE EXPERIENCES WITH, UM, SOME OF THE TRESPASSING ISSUES AND, UH, LACK OF AN ONSITE MANAGER.
DID I HEAR LIEUTENANT THORNTON OR MORTON? UH, GOOD EVENING.
THE EL CAJON POLICE DEPARTMENT.
UH, SO SOME OF THE THINGS THAT GOT BROUGHT UP WERE OUR RESPONSES AND OUR CALLS FOR SERVICE.
UH, WE, UH, THE, THE OPERATOR STATED THERE ARE ONLY 2 9 1 1 CALLS OVER THE PREVIOUS, UH, SIX MONTH OR SO, PERIOD.
WE ALSO GET NINE ONE, UH, CALLS OUTSIDE OF 9 1 1.
AND THOSE ARE SEPARATE FROM MCRT.
UH, THAT COUNTY RESOURCE DOES NOT GET DISPATCHED THROUGH US.
WE DO CONTACT THEM AND WORK WITH THEM, BUT THOSE DON'T GET, THOSE
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DON'T CREATE CALLS FOR SERVICE FOR US BECAUSE WE HAVE NO RESPONSE.SO FOR THE CALLS FOR SERVICE THAT WE DO GET, IT'S NON-EMERGENCY CALLS AND IT'S 9 1 1 CALLS IN THE MONTH OF APRIL.
WE HAD 11 TO THE FACILITY IN THE MONTH OF MAY.
UH, LIKE I STATED LAST TIME, THAT'S ON PAR WITH THE TOTAL NUMBER OF CALLS WE RECEIVE AT FOUR 15 FLETCHER PARKWAY, WHICH IS THE MALL, ONLY THE INTERIOR BUSINESSES, NOT THE EXTERIOR, NOT THE BIG BOX STORES, BUT THE A HUNDRED OR SO BUSINESSES ON THE INSIDE OF THE MALL GENERATE ROUGHLY, UH, THE SAME AMOUNT OF CALLS FOR SERVICE AS THIS BUSINESS ON EMERALD.
UH, WE DON'T HAVE A SPECIFIC WAY OF TRACKING IF STAFF IS ON SITE WHEN WE RESPOND, OTHER THAN IF OUR OFFICERS ADD NOTES TO THOSE CALLS.
TWO OF OUR SERGEANTS, TWO DIFFERENT SERGEANTS KNOW, UH, THAT THIS HAS GONE BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
AND THEY NOTIFIED ME OF CALLS ONE ON MAY 15TH, ONE ON MAY 20TH, WHERE WE RESPONDED AND WE WERE UNABLE TO LOCATE ANY STAFF AT ALL.
AND WE NEEDED THEM FOR BOTH OF THOSE CALLS, UH, TO HELP RESOLVE THE ISSUE.
I THINK THAT'S THE MAIN CRUX OF WHAT WE'RE, UH, HOPING TO ACCOMPLISH WITH THE AMENDMENT, IS TO HAVE STAFF ONSITE 24 7 WOULD BE A HUGE MITIGATOR IN OUR OVERALL RESPONSE.
OUR CALLS SERVICE, UH, AND OUR ABILITY TO FUNCTION AND PROVIDE SERVICES FOR THE COMMUNITY WHEN WE'RE THERE.
ADDITIONALLY, I'D LIKE TO SPEAK ABOUT THE, THOSE CALLS SERVICE SPECIFICALLY ARE MARKED AS 5 23 EMERALD AT THAT SPECIFIC ADDRESS.
IT DOES NOT INCLUDE CALLS ON THE STREET.
THOSE ARE MARKED BY A HUNDRED BLOCK AND WE MARKED AS 500 EMERALD AND WOULD NOT BE ASSOCIATED WITH THIS ADDRESS FOR, UH, THE OPERATOR ALSO STATED THAT THERE WERE SEVERAL CALLS INVOLVING TRANSIENTS COMING ONTO THE PROPERTY AND CREATING DISTURBANCES.
IN THE PREVIOUS AUDIT WE CONDUCTED, WHICH, UH, COVERED I BELIEVE APRIL OF 2024 TO APRIL TO 2025 OF THE OVER A HUNDRED CALLS THAT WE RESPONDED TO, THERE WERE SIX THAT INVOLVED TRANSIENTS.
THE OTHER 94% WERE SPECIFIC TO THE FACILITY OF THE 21 OVER THE LAST TWO MONTHS.
NONE OF THEM INVOLVED TRANSIENTS.
THEY WERE ALL SPECIFIC TO THE FACILITY AND NOT THE OUTSIDE COMMUNITY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THAT I CAN ANSWER? AND THOSE WERE INITIATED BY THE CLIENTS OR THE STAFF? A COMBINATION.
UH, WE DON'T HAVE A LIST OF WHO'S A CLIENT AND WHO'S A STAFF, BUT THE 21 CALLS WE HAD OVER APRIL AND MAY WERE ALL INVOLVED SOME WAY WITH THE FACILITY.
SO ONE OF YOUR SIMPLE ASSES, YOU WANT DIRECT CONTACT, WHICH IS IN THIS, THE AMENDMENT IS DIRECT CONTACT INFORMATION FOR AN ONSITE AUTHORITY, RIGHT? CORRECT.
UH, REGARDING THE PHONE TREE THAT WAS SET UP, UH, BOTH OF THOSE TIMES, WE HAD NO ABILITY TO CONTACT ANYONE.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY, UH, CONTACT NUMBER FOR THE BUSINESS.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY ACCESS TO THE PHONE TREE THAT THEY HAVE SET UP.
AND THERE IS NO, UH, SIGNAGE OR ANYTHING THAT I KNOW OF ANYWHERE IN THE FACILITY TO DIRECT US ON WHO TO CONTACT.
'CAUSE BOTH OF THOSE TIMES WE HAD NO WAY OF FINDING ANYBODY FROM THE BUSINESS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? UH, MR. MR. MYERS, UH, ALLOW US TO QUESTION, UH, LIEUTENANT THORNTON HERE.
UH, WE WE, YOU CAN COME BACK UP, BUT LET, LET LET MR. THORNTON ANSWER THE QUESTIONS.
UM, CHAIRMAN, MAYBE IF WE COULD ALSO ASK, UM, THE REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, UH, DIVISION CHIEF NEVIN, UH, TO COME UP AND SPEAK TO, UH, THE ISSUES FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT'S PERSPECTIVE.
UM, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT'S VIEW ON IT IS SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT.
UM, OUR, OUR MAIN CONCERN IS JUST THE HIGHEST CALLS FOR SERVICE THAT WE GET OUT OF THERE.
IT'S, UM, ONE OF OUR HIGHEST CALL VOLUMES THAT WE HAVE ANYWHERE IN THE CITY, AND THEY TEND TO BE VERY LOW ACUITY CALLS.
UM, WHAT WE, THE CALLS DO ALMOST UNIVERSALLY COME DIRECTLY FROM THE RESIDENTS.
UM, AND WHAT WE ENCOUNTER IS THAT WHEN THEY TELL NINE ONE ONE, THEY, WHEN THEY CALL 9 1 1, THEY INFORM THE DISPATCHER THAT THEY CAN'T FIND STAFF OR STAFF WOULDN'T HELP THEM.
THEY ALSO OCCASIONALLY REPORT THAT STAFF WON'T GET THERE, UH, WON'T HELP THEM.
AND THEN OUR LAST CATCH IS THAT OUR DISPATCH CENTER WILL ALMOST AUTOMATICALLY CALL BACK THE FACILITY IF IT'S ANY SORT OF, UH, NON-PRIORITY SOUNDING CALL.
AND ABOUT A THIRD OF THE TIME, UH, WHEN I REVIEWED IT, THEY'RE NOT GETTING AN ANSWER.
UM, SO THAT TENDS TO BE OUR PROBLEM.
I, I UNDERSTAND THE CHALLENGE OF RESIDENTS CALLING DIRECTLY AND THAT'S, THAT IS DIFFICULT THERE.
I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER FOR THAT.
UM, WE'RE ON TRACK TO HAVE ABOUT 140 MEDICAL CALLS THIS YEAR, UM, BASED ON OUR FIRST SIX MONTHS.
UH, AND THAT'S, THAT'S A RATIO THAT'S HIGHER THAN ANY OF OUR NURSING FACILITIES THAT WE DEAL WITH.
IT'S A TREMENDOUS BURDEN ON THE SYSTEM.
SO THOSE ARE OUR, OUR PRIMARY CONCERNS.
WHAT, WHAT ARE THE TYPICAL MEDICAL CALLS THAT YOU'RE GETTING? THERE'S A LARGE VARIETY THERE.
UM, UH, MR. ALVY REFERENCED, WE, WE HAVE A, THERE WAS ONE PATIENT THAT WAS CONSISTENTLY CALLING FOR CRAMPS, LEG PAIN, BODY PAIN.
UH, THERE'S MEDICATION ISSUES.
IT'S, IT'S A LOT OF PRIMARY CARE AND PSYCHIATRIC MAINTENANCE.
UM, AND THAT'S NOT TO SAY THERE ARE NOT LEGITIMATE
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EMERGENCIES THAT HAPPEN THERE.WE DO GO ON SEIZURES AND THOSE KIND OF CALLS.
WOULD YOU SAY THAT SOMEONE THAT WAS ON SITE 24 7 WOULD PROBABLY LOWER THOSE CALLS 'CAUSE THEY COULD ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES? WE WOULD HOPE SO, YEAH.
THAT, THAT WOULD BE OUR GOAL IS JUST, IT WOULD BE SOMEONE TO HELP FILTER, FILTER OUT SOME OF THOSE ISSUES, UH, BEFORE THEY GET TO THE 9 1 1 SYSTEM.
ANY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? IT JUST VERY QUICK ON THE DOOR, ON THE, UH, WHAT IS THE FIRE DEPARTMENT'S POSITION ON THIS LOCKED DOOR? ON LOCKED DOOR? WE'VE HEARD A WHOLE BUNCH OF DIFFERENT, WHAT IS FIRE DEPARTMENT? UNFORTUNATELY, I CANNOT SPEAK TO THE PARTICULARS OF THE FIRE MARSHAL AND THE FIRE PREVENTION STANCE ON IT.
GENERALLY THOUGH, AT A COMMERCIAL FACILITY WHEN WE PUT IN A LOCKED DOOR, WE INSTALL A NOX KEY ON IT SO THAT WE HAVE UNIVERSAL ACCESS.
SORRY TO NOT HAVE A SPECIFIC ANSWER ON THAT
UH, ANY UH, OTHER SPEAKERS? UH, MR. MYERS, YOU WANNA COME UP HERE? AGAIN, I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS THE FACT THAT HE SAID SOMETHING ABOUT CALLING ON MAY 15TH THAT HE DID.
I GOT A, PERSONALLY GOT A PHONE CALL ON MY CELL PHONE BECAUSE THEY CALLED ME TO ASK ME WHAT TO DO.
I TURNED AROUND AND CALLED MY ADMINISTRATOR AND TOLD HIM TO DEAL WITH IT.
IT WAS DEALT WITH AND IT WAS ON A SATURDAY OR SUNDAY.
I DON'T REMEMBER EXACTLY THE DATE.
IT WAS ANSWERED BECAUSE THEY PERSONALLY CALLED ME.
SO I GOT THAT PHONE CALL AND I DIRECTED IT TO WHERE IT NEEDED TO GO.
SO THE PROBLEM WAS TAKEN CARE OF.
AND SO, AND AS FAR AS THE POLICE DEPARTMENT OR HIS, HIS ACTIONS OF ALL THESE PHONE CALLS, IT'S LIKE I SAID, THAT HAPPENED LAST YEAR FROM APRIL, 2024 TO CURRENT.
MY RECORDS THAT I GAVE YOU JUST NOW, AS OF YOU GUYS, WE, WE TALKED ON THIS WHAT APRIL 1ST.
WE'VE EDUCATED, WE'VE HIRED MORE STAFF.
I HAVE, I HAVE, UH, STAFF MEMBERS THERE 24 7.
THERE'S TWO, AT LEAST A MINIMUM OF TWO, IF NOT THREE PEOPLE ALL NIGHT OR AN ALL DAY.
IF, WELL, DURING THE DAY THERE'S MORE THAN THAT, BUT AT NIGHT THERE'S, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST A MINIMUM OF TWO PEOPLE BETWEEN THE HOURS OF 10 AND 12 AT MIDNIGHT.
AND THE REST IS, THERE'S THREE OR MORE.
SO THERE'S SOMEBODY THERE ALL THE TIME.
WHEN THE PERSON CALLS FROM THE, UH, A CELL PHONE USES A CELL PHONE TO CALL THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, WE ARE NOT RECOGNIZED.
WE ARE NOT TOLD ANYTHING AT THAT POINT.
THEY ARE CALLING US, TELLING US THAT WE'RE GETTING A NINE ONE ONE CALL FROM JOHN DOE.
CAN YOU CHECK IT OUT? WE GO CHECK IT OUT.
IF IT'S VALID, THEN WE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO EXCEPT REPORT IT, BUT IT'S USUALLY NOT VALID AND WE SHUT IT DOWN THE PHONE CALL.
I CAN'T STOP THAT, THAT PHONE CALL.
SO, I MEAN, THE, THE GOVERNMENT GAVE THEM A PHONE AND THEY PAY FOR IT.
SO I DON'T, YOU KNOW, AND THEY GAVE HIM A PHONE NUMBER, NINE ONE ONE.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT THEY DO.
SO I'M, YOU KNOW, UNFORTUNATELY THAT'S NOTHING.
THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THOSE CALLS COME IN.
OVER 50% OF HIS NUMBERS OVER HERE.
HIS NUMBERS WERE RESIDENT CALLS IN THAT TIMEFRAME.
YOU KNOW, I JUST GAVE YOU WHAT THE TIMEFRAME, WHICH THE CALLS THAT WE HAVE LOGGED OUR FACILITY AND HALF OF THOSE ARE RESIDENT CALLS AGAIN.
SO I, YOU KNOW, WE INTERCEDE AND WE, YOU KNOW, TELL 'EM IF IT'S VALID OR NOT.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE I CAN DO WITH THAT.
WELL THANK, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
UH, COMMISSIONER PADDOCK RUDE REGARDING THIS, 'CAUSE I KNOW THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF CALLS WITH THE FIRE AND POLICE AND YOU SAID THAT THERE'S THESE, THE CALLS THAT YOU SHOWED US, HAVE YOU HAD ANY CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM OR HAVE SOME SORT OF DIRECT PROTOCOL OF WHO THEY CAN CONTACT? SO IF THEY ARE CONTACTED, THEY CAN HAVE DIRECT CONTACT TO SOMEBODY, A STAFF MEMBER ON SITE? YES.
WE ARE EDU TRYING TO EDUCATE THEM TO USE OUR PRIVATE AMBULANCE SERVICE THAT IF THEY'RE WILLING TO GO TO THE POLICE, GO TO THE HOSPITAL AND THEY'RE ACCEPTABLE TO GO TO THE HOSPITAL.
THE M WAS THAT MCRT, THEY'LL COME OUT AND THEY'LL ASSESS 'EM AND TAKE 'EM IF NEED BE.
BUT THEY HAVE TO BE WILLING TO GO.
SO, AND THAT'S THE WHOLE THING.
BUT HAVE YOU HAD COMMUNICATIONS WITH THE POLICE AND FIRE REGARDING THE PROTOCOLS THAT YOU HAVE? JUST SO MAYBE THERE'S MORE COMMUNICATION THAT IS, THEY THEY KNOW THE PROTOCOLS.
I MEAN, HE, MR. THORNTON WILL JUST SIT HERE AND ADDRESS THE, THE PROTOCOLS.
WE, YOU KNOW, HE SAYS THEY WORK WITH THE MCRT, THEY WORK WITH THOSE PEOPLE.
SO THAT'S, WELL 'CAUSE I KNOW HE SAID THAT WITH THE FIRE THAT THEY, WHEN THEY CALLED AND THEY COULDN'T GET AHOLD OF ANYBODY ON STAFF ON SITE, AND THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.
SO I'M JUST, I BUT YOU'RE SAYING MY STAFF ARE, THERE'S STAFF MEMBERS THERE.
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RECORDS PROOF.I CAN PROVE MY STAFF IS THERE.
SO I MEAN, THERE, THERE ARE PEOPLE THERE NOW, WHETHER THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE BUSY WORKING OR DEALING WITH SOMETHING, I DON'T KNOW.
THAT'S, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY'RE, I MEAN, THEY CAN'T FIND THEM.
THEY DON'T, THEY'RE NOT GONNA LOOK FOR 'EM EITHER.
YOU KNOW, IF SOMEBODY SAYS THEY GOT CRAMPS IN THEIR LEGS, I I HAVE NEVER, THAT'S NOT ONE OF THE CALLS.
MOST OF THE CALLS THAT HAVE BEEN CALLED IN THE LAST TWO MONTHS, THOSE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN EVICTED.
THEY'VE BEEN KICKED OUT OF THE FACILITY AND THEY DON'T, THEY'RE NOT RETURNING.
WELL, YEAH, I UNDERSTAND YOU HAVE A DIFFICULT, DIFFICULT CLIENTELE.
SO IT'S NOT JUST A STANDARD, YOU KNOW, APARTMENT COMPLEX.
YOU HAVE A VERY DIFFERENT DYNAMIC THERE.
I HAVE ONE, I HAVE ONE CLIENT THERE THAT WAS, UH, HE, HE WAS RELEASED, HE WAS SENT TO THE HOSPITAL FOR OTHER REASONS AND, BUT HE WAS CALLING 9 1 1 CONSTANTLY.
HE CAME, UH, GROSSMONT HOSPITAL, DROPPED HIM ON OUR DOORSTEP IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT AND DIDN'T TELL ANYBODY HE WAS BACK.
HE WENT TO BED AND THEN BASICALLY WE TURNED AROUND AND HE CALLS 9 1 1, I THINK SIX TIMES WITHIN A TWO DAY PERIOD BEFORE WE, AND THEN WE GOT HIM BACK OUT AGAIN.
IT TOOK US THAT LONG TO GET HIM OUT OF THERE AGAIN.
YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T JUST THROW HIM ON THE STREET.
SO, I MEAN, HE, HE, IT WAS, AND THAT'S WHY HE WAS EVICTED.
SO WE ARE SCRUTINIZING THE PEOPLE THAT WE TAKE AND WE KNOW WE ARE NOT TAKING PEOPLE THAT HAVE ANY HISTORY OF CALLING, YOU KNOW, OR, YOU KNOW, YELLING, YELLING ABOUT 9 1 1.
ANY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? UH, COMMISSIONER CIRCLE, UH, JUST A QUICK QUESTION.
I KNOW THAT AT THE FACILITY I WORK, WE'VE GOT A SHADOW MOUNTAIN SECURITY CELL PHONE AND ONE OF THE GUARDS ON DUTY IS ALWAYS CARRYING THAT CELL PHONE.
WE HAVE THE CELL PHONE NUMBER POSTED ON THE GATE.
SO ANYONE COMING IN CAN SEE HERE'S THE CELL PHONE NUMBER FOR THE PERSON ON SITE.
UH, DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THAT OR IS THAT SOMETHING YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO? BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE IN THE STANDARDS, IN THE, UM, CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL YOU'VE ALREADY GOT COVERED.
RIGHT? WELL, I, AS FAR AS THE GATE SCENARIO GOES, I DON'T, I MEAN, I CAN PUT A PHONE OR A BEEPER OR WHATEVER YOU DO ON A, ON A PERSON'S, BUT IF THERE'S NO INTERNET OR WIFI SERVICE OUT THERE, HOW'S THAT GONNA WORK? I DON'T KNOW.
I MEAN, THERE'S GOTTA BE A BYPASS.
I MEAN, AND I, AND THE GUYS, YOU KNOW, WE, THEY'RE, THEY MONITOR THAT GATE 24 7 ANYWAY.
SO, MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I, IF I COULD JUST INTERJECT, I, I THINK, YOU KNOW, REALLY THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION IS IF THERE'S A 24 HOUR ONSITE MANAGER AND THERE'S A PHONE NUMBER THAT'S POSTED, THAT ONSITE MANAGER CAN COME TO THE GATE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? WE HAVE NOTHING BETTER TO DO THAN RUN OUT TO THE GATE EVERY FIVE MINUTES.
THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH MR. MYERS.
UH, I MOVE TO CLOSE, UH, PUBLIC HEARING SECOND.
UH, MOTION MAY BY COMMISSIONER SOLE SECOND BY COMMISSIONER, UH, EDISON, PLEASE VOTE.
WHO? MS. P*****K ROOT MAY, I MAY NOT HAVE OPENED IT SOON.
MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.
ALRIGHT, MR. CHAIRMAN, AGAIN, BEFORE DELIBERATIONS, CAN I JUST CLARIFY A FEW THINGS? YES.
UH, I WANTED TO BE ABUNDANTLY CLEAR THAT STAFF, UH, NOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT OR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAVE NEVER RECOMMENDED ANY EVICTIONS.
UM, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A FAIR HOUSING ISSUE.
UH, WE DO NOT, UH, LOOK AT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE LIVING THERE.
WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT WHETHER OR NOT THE FACILITY'S BEING OPERATED IN A COMPATIBLE FASHION, UH, WITH THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES AND USES.
WE ALSO NEVER TELL ANYONE THAT THEY CAN'T CALL 9 1 1.
WE WANT THE FACILITY TO U UTILIZE EMERGENCY SERVICES, UM, AS THEY SEE FIT.
WE'RE JUST AGAIN LOOKING FOR, UH, THAT PROPER ONSITE MANAGEMENT.
UH, AND AGAIN, I THINK THE ISSUE, UM, WITH THE, UH, HAVING 24 HOUR ONSITE STAFF AND HAVING A CALLING TREE, THAT, THAT SHOULD ADDRESS THAT ISSUE.
SO, UM, IF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, UH, GOES OUT TO THE SITE AND THERE'S NO ONE THERE, THEY USE THE CALLING TREE AND NO ONE ANSWERS.
THAT'S WHAT WE'LL REPORT BACK IN 90 DAYS.
UM, IF THERE'S CONTINUES TO BE ISSUES.
SO WHAT I HEARD FROM THE OPERATOR IS THAT, UH, THESE ISSUES ARE UNDER CONTROL.
AND SO THAT'S STAFF'S HOPE IS THAT THEY ARE UNDER CONTROL AND THAT, UH, WE CAN REPORT BACK IN A POSITIVE FASHION IN 90 DAYS.
UH, BUT IF THE COMMISSION MOVES FORWARD AND ADOPTS THIS RESOLUTION, UH, APPROVING THIS REQUEST, UH, WE HAVE THOSE AS CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL.
WE CAN REPORT ON THEIR EFFECTIVENESS AND THEN WE CAN MOVE ON FROM THERE.
UM, SO WHAT I'VE HEARD FROM MR. MYERS IS THAT HE'S ALREADY GOT ALL THIS LOCKED DOWN.
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I MEAN, THE GATE ISN'T LOCKED, BUT THAT'S NOT AN ISSUE BECAUSE HE'S GOT STAFF MONITORING.THEY'VE GOT THE ISSUES OF TRANSIENT UNDER CONTROL.
UM, THE LIGHTING, THE LANDSCAPING.
SO I THINK THIS IS A SLAM DUNK.
I APPRECIATE THIS COMMUNITY AND THE SERVICE YOU ARE PROVIDING IN OUR COMMUNITY.
UM, THESE ARE PEOPLE THAT NOBODY WANTS TO WORK WITH AND THIS IS AWESOME.
SO I APPRECIATE YOUR INVESTMENT IN YOUR FACILITY AND IN OUR COMMUNITY.
DOES ANYONE WANNA MAKE, WANNA MAKE A MOTION? I'LL BE HAPPY TO MAKE THE MOTION TO MOVE TO ADOPT THE NEXT RESOLUTIONS IN ORDER APPROVING THE PROPOSED SQA EXEMPTION AND CUP NUMBER 2025 DASH ZERO SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS.
UH, MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER CIRCLE, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER.
UH, P*****K RUDE, PLEASE VOTE.
MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF MEMBERS PRESENT.
AND, UH, WE'LL SEE YOU IN 90 DAYS AND HOPEFULLY THERE'LL BE GOOD NEWS.
SO AGAIN, MR. CHAIRMAN, UH, THIS ITEM, UH, COULD BE APPEALED, UH, TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
UH, SO THE 10 DAY APPEAL PERIOD WOULD END ON, UH, THE 27TH OF JUNE AT 5:00 PM AND THEN, UH, THE CONTINUE OR THE, UH, REVIEW OF THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT WOULD BE IN APPROXIMATELY, UH, 90 DAYS.
SO YOU, YOU CAN APPEAL IT WITHIN THE NEXT 10 DAYS.
I APPEAL WHAT? I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THE DECISION WE MADE HERE THIS EVENING.
THE DECISION THAT WE MADE HERE THIS EVENING, YOU CAN APPEAL IT.
MR. CHAIRMAN, IF, IF I MAY, UM, THE, UH, SINCE THIS IS THE LAST, UH, PUBLIC HEARING ITEM, IF THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO AWAIT AS WE FINISH UP BUSINESS, I'D BE HAPPY TO SPEAK WITH THEM AFTER THE HEARING.
UM, MR. ALVI WILL, UH, SPEAK WITH YOU AFTER THE HEARING.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER CONSIDERATION ITEMS TO CONSIDER? NO.
NO ADDITIONAL ITEMS FROM STAFF, STAFF COMMUNICATION? NO.
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UH, COMMISSIONER REPORTS.I HAD TWO QUESTIONS, BUT IT'S LATE
UM, IN THE FUTURE, I'D LOVE TO HEAR HOW THE CREMATORIUM IS DOING.
I HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING OVER THERE.
AND THEN, UH, WE BRIEFLY DISCUSSED THE NAUGHTY IDEA, UM, AS A, A CULTURAL RESOURCE AND MAYBE STAFF COULD LOOK INTO WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO ADD THAT TO OUR ZONING CODE.
GONNA BE CALLED THE NAUGHTY CODE.
ALRIGHT, I, UH, I ADJOURN THIS MEETING TO, UH, JULY 1ST, 2025 AT 7:00 PM I SECOND THAT MAY.
A MOTION, UM, MOTION MADE COMMISSIONER SOLE SECOND BY COMMISSIONER CIRCLE PLEASE VOTE.
MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF MEMBERS PRESENT.