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          [ CALL TO ORDER:  Mayor Bill Wells]
          [00:00:09]
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WELCOME TO THE ELCON CITY COUNCIL MEETING. 
          THE MEETING IS CALLED TO ORDER. 
          I'D LIKE TO ASK OUR CITY CLERK TO PLEASE CALL THE ROLE ALL COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE PRESENT. 
          WOULD YOU PLEASE STAND WITH ME FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE AND THEN REMAIN STANDING FOR A BRIEF MOMENT OF SILENCE AFTERWARDS? I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          BEFORE WE GET STARTED WITH THE MEETING, UM, I'D LIKE TO ASK YOUR INDULGENCE. 
          UH, STEVE AND I BOTH GO TO SKYLINE CHURCH AND OUR PASTORS NAMED JEREMY MCGARRITY AND HIS WIFE JANIE MCGARRITY, UH, RECENTLY PASSED FROM CANCER. 
          SHE WAS ONE OF THE NICEST PEOPLE I'D EVER MET. 
          JUST, JUST TRULY HAD NEVER HAD A BAD WORD TO SAY ABOUT ANYBODY, AND SHE WAS SO GREAT FOR THIS COMMUNITY. 
          AND SHE'S ALSO THE DAUGHTER OF, UH, PASTOR JIM GARLOW. 
          AND I JUST WANTED TO TAKE A MOMENT TO RECOGNIZE HER SERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY AND THE FACT THAT WE ARE JUST GONNA BE SO SAD THAT WE'VE LOST HER. 
          AND STEVE, DID YOU WANNA SAY ANYTHING? UM, THANK YOU FOR INDULGING US IN THAT MOMENT, 
          [ POSTINGS: The City Clerk posted Orders of Adjournment of the May 13, 2025, Meeting and the Agenda of the May 27, 2025, Meeting in accordance to State Law and City Council/Housing Authority/Successor Agency to the Redevelopment Agency Policy.]
THE CITY CLERK POSTED ORDERS OF ADJOURNMENT OF THE MAY 13TH, 2020 5, 20 25 MEETING AND THE AGENDA OF THE MAY 27TH, 2025 MEETING IN ACCORDANCE WITH STATE LAW, CITY COUNCIL AND HOUSING AUTHORITY POLICY. 
          WE HAVE ONE PRESENTATION 
          [ PRESENTATIONS: 	Youth of the Year Award]
ON TODAY'S AGENDA FOR THE YOUTH OF THE YEAR AWARD PARKS AND RECREATIONS SUPERVISOR TIM AMELIA WILL SHARE WITH US ALL, ALL ABOUT THIS. 
          TIM? HELLO, TIM. 
          HELLO, COUNSEL. 
          UH, MAYOR WELLS. 
          UH, AS YOU MENTIONED, MY NAME IS TIM AMELIA. 
          I AM THE PARKS AND RECREATION SUPERVISOR BASED OUT OF THE NETTE RECREATION CENTER, AND I'M HERE TODAY WITH OUR TEEN COALITION. 
          TEEN COALITION IS A SERVICE-BASED GROUP OF DEDICATED AND PASSIONATE INDIVIDUALS FROM ACROSS OUR CITY THAT SERVE THE COMMUNITY IN VARIOUS ROLES. 
          BEFORE I HAVE THE TEEN COALITION PRESENT THEIR ANNUAL YOUTH OF THE YEAR AWARDS, I'D LIKE TO BRIEFLY INTRODUCE EACH MEMBER THAT IS HERE TODAY. 
          WE HAVE VELLA, STELLA COLLETTE, BNA, AND IAN, AND I'LL TURN IT OVER TO THEM AT THIS TIME. 
          HELLO. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          HI. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO EXPRESS MY GRATITUDE TO MAYOR WELLS AND THE EL CAJON CITY COUNCIL FOR PROVIDING THE TEAM COALITION THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT THIS YEAR'S YOUTH OF THE YEAR AWARDS. 
          EVERY YEAR, THE TEAM COALITION HAS THE PRIVILEGE OF RECOGNIZING OUTSTANDING YOUTH WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY. 
          THIS YEAR'S RECIPIENTS HAVE CONSISTENTLY DEMONSTRATED STRONG LEADERSHIP, A DEDICATED WORK ETHIC, AND THEIR ABILITY TO GO ABOVE AND BEYOND. 
          EACH WINNER WILL RECEIVE A CUSTOM AWARD, AS WELL AS THEIR NAME BEING ENGRAVED ON THE YOUTH OF THE YEAR PLAQUE THAT IS ON DISPLAY AT CITY HALL. 
          TODAY WE'LL BE ANNOUNCING TWO WINNERS FOR THE 2025 YOUTH OF THE YEAR AWARD, ONE REPRESENTING MIDDLE SCHOOL AND ONE REPRESENTING HIGH SCHOOL FOR THE MIDDLE SCHOOL YOUTH OF THE YEAR AWARD. 
          THE TEEN COALITION WOULD LIKE TO CONGRATULATE CHRISTOPHER LONG FROM MONTGOMERY MIDDLE SCHOOL FOR BEING THIS YEAR'S YOUTH OF THE YEAR RECIPIENT. 
          I'D LIKE TO WELCOME CHRIS AND THE SEVENTH GRADE ASSISTANT PRINCIPAL FROM MONTGOMERY MIDDLE SCHOOL UP TO THE PODIUM TO RECEIVE THE AWARD. 
          HELLO. 
          I HAVE HAD THE PRIVILEGE OF BEING CHRISTOPHER'S ASSISTANT PRINCIPAL FOR THE PAST TWO YEARS. 
          CHRISTOPHER TRULY EMBODIES THE CORE VALUES OF MONTGOMERY MIDDLE SCHOOL. 
          AS AN ACTIVE LEADER IN A SB, HE PLAYS A KEY ROLE IN ORGANIZING STUDENT ACTIVITIES AND BRINGING OUR CAMPUS COMMUNITY TOGETHER. 
          HE IS KNOWN FOR HIS RESPECTFUL ATTITUDE, STRONG LEADERSHIP, AND COMPASSIONATE HEART. 
          CHRISTOPHER'S ACTIONS INSPIRE THOSE AROUND HIM AND HELP CREATE A SCHOOL WHERE EVERYONE FEELS AS THOUGH THEY BELONG. 
          HE ALSO EXCEL EXCELS ACADEMICALLY EARNING A PLACE ON THE HONOR ROLL THROUGH HIS HARD WORK AND DEDICATION. 
          WE ARE INCREDIBLY PROUD OF CHRISTOPHER IN ALL THAT HE REPRESENTS. 
          SO PROUD. 
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CHRISTOPHER. 
          CHRISTOPHER. 
          CHRISTOPHER, WOULD YOU LIKE TO, TO INTRODUCE YOUR FAMILY TO US? AND SO MY MOM IS RIGHT THERE. 
          HI MOM. 
          MY STEPDAD IS RIGHT THERE, DAD. 
          MY GRANDMA IS RIGHT THERE. 
          PERFECT. 
          MY OTHER GRANDMA IS OVER THERE IN THE RED HAIR. 
          MY STEPMOM IS RIGHT THERE. 
          MY DAD IS RIGHT THERE. 
          PRINCIPAL HOLBERT AND MS. NEIL AND DR. 
          CHEERS ARE LIKE FAMILY TO ME BECAUSE THEY ENCOURAGED ME TO DO TO GET THIS AWARD AND TO EXCEL ACADEMICALLY AND IN LEADERSHIP SKILLS. 
          CONGRATULATIONS. 
          UM, FOR THE HIGH SCHOOL YOUTH OF THE YEAR AWARD, THE TEEN COALITION WOULD LIKE TO CONGRATULATE PAUL MARCELINE FROM EL CAJON VALLEY HIGH SCHOOL FOR BEING THIS YEAR YOUTH OF THE YEAR AWARD RECIPIENT. 
          I'D LIKE TO WELCOME PAUL AND BRIANNA UP TO THE PODIUM TO RECEIVE THE AWARD. 
          HELLO, MY NAME'S BRIANNA, AND IT IS MY GREAT HONOR AND PLEASURE TO BE HONORING PAUL MARCELINE HERE TODAY. 
          UM, NOT ONLY IS PAUL AN EXCEPTIONABLE EXCEPTIONAL HUMAN BEING AND STUDENT, HE'S A TRIATHLETE. 
          HE HAS HIGH ACADEMICS. 
          HE'S INVOLVED IN ALL SORTS OF CLUBS FROM UNIDOS TO THE LATIN DANCE CLUB. 
          THOSE AREN'T THE THINGS THAT MAKE PAUL UNIQUE. 
          UM, PAUL IS KNOWN ON CAMPUS BY EVERYONE. 
          HE'S EVERYONE'S FRIENDS FROM STAFF TO EVERY STUDENT. 
          UM, HE SPEAKS THREE DIFFERENT LANGUAGES AND HE REACHES OUT ACROSS ALL OF THE COMMUNITY AND ALL OF THE CAMPUS. 
          UM, WE HAVE MANY DIFFERENT CULTURES REPRESENTED ON OUR CAMPUS, AND PAUL IS IN CHARGE OF OUR CULTURE AND DIVERSITY, AND HE DOES SO MANY AMAZING EVENTS. 
          UM, AND HE HAS PLANNED DIFFERENT RAMADAN EVENTS, UM, HISPANIC HERITAGE EVENTS, AND HE MAKES STUDENTS BE SEEN AND HEARD ON OUR CAMPUS. 
          HE PUTS IN SO MUCH TIME AND ENERGY AND HE HAS THE BIGGEST SMILE AND THE BIGGEST HEART MAKING HIM SUCH A LEADER. 
          AND WE LOVE THAT HE REPRESENTS EL CAJON VALLEY HIGH SCHOOL AND WHAT IT MEANS TO BE AT BRAVE. 
          WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY ANYTHING OR INTRODUCE US TO ANYBODY? UM, I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE MY, THIS IS MY FAMILY , UH, SINCE FRESHMAN YEAR. 
          I KNOW MARIELLA, I MISS HER. 
          I'M BAD WITH NAMES. 
          SORRY. 
          , MY AMAZING TEACHER MEANS. 
          OH MY GOD, I'M BAD. 
          I'M SO, I'M MY BAD. 
          I'M SO NERVOUS RIGHT NOW. 
          , DON'T BE. 
          YOU'RE DOING GREAT. 
          UH, YEAH. 
          THESE PEOPLE HAS BEEN WITH ME SINCE FRESHMAN YEAR ON TOUR RIGHT NOW AND PROBABLY SENIOR YEAR, AND THAT'S A LIFESTYLE I CAN SAVE. 
          BUT, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE THAT MUCH TIME AND THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          AND THANK, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING US. 
          UH, THIS CONCLUDES THE YOUTH OF THE YEAR AWARD PRESENTATION. 
          THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT, THAT BRINGS US TO AGENDA CHANGES. 
          STAFF, DO YOU HAVE ANY AGENDA CHANGES? NO, SIR. 
          COUNCIL MEMBERS, 
          [7. CONSENT ITEMS:   	 		 			Consent Items are routine matters enacted by one motion according to the RECOMMENDATION listed below. With the concurrence of the City Council, a Council Member or person in attendance may request discussion of a Consent Item at this time.]
WE'RE NOW CONSENT ITEMS. CONSENT ITEMS, ROUTINE MATTERS ENACTED BY ONE MOTION ACCORDING TO THE RECOMMENDATION LISTED BELOW WITH THE CONCURRENCE OF THE CITY COUNCIL. 
          A COUNCIL MEMBER OR PERSON IN ATTENDANCE MAY REQUEST DISCUSSION OF A CONSENT ITEM AT THIS TIME. 
          COUNCIL MEMBERS, DO YOU WISH TO PULL ANY OF THE CONSENT ITEMS? STAFF? NO, SIR. 
          MAKE A MOTION THEN TO APPROVE THE CONSENT ITEMS. SECOND. 
          OH, AND FOR THE RECORD, SIR, WE HAVE NO SPEAKER CARDS. 
          THANK YOU, ANGELA. 
          AND MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE. 
          OKAY, GREAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, DO I SEE FOLKS FROM THE MISS EL CAJON PAGEANT? HERE ARE, AM I MISSING THIS? ARE YOU ON THE AGENDA OR DO YOU YOU JUST COME 'CAUSE YOU WANTED THE SEE OUR COUNCIL MEMBER MEETING. 
          CAN YOU COME UP AND SAY HI? YEAH. 
          HELLO. 
          UM, I'M KATIE RENO. 
          I WAS HERE AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR, BUT I'M YOUR MISS EL CAJON. 
          HI, I'M JILL TI 
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I'M YOUR CURRENT TEAM, MISS EL CAJON. 
          AND WE AREN'T ON THE AGENDA, BUT WE DID FILL OUT SPEAKER CARDS TO COME AND TALK TO YOU GUYS TODAY. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          WELL, YEAH, IT'S A GOOD SEGUEWAY. 
          I I HAVE TO READ THIS LITTLE STATEMENT. 
          DON'T GO AWAY. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT, 
          [ PUBLIC COMMENT:    	 		 			At this time, any person may address a matter within the jurisdiction of the City Council/Housing Authority/Successor Agency to the El Cajon Redevelopment Agency that is not on the Agenda. Comments relating to items on today’s docket are to be taken at the time the item is heard. State law prohibits discussion or action on items not on the Agenda; however, Council, Authority and Agency Members may briefly respond to statements or questions. An item may be placed on a future Agenda.]
WE'RE NOW PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          AT THIS TIME, ANY PERSON MAY ADDRESS A MATTER WITHIN THE JURISDICTION OF CITY COUNCIL HOUSING AUTHORITY SUCCESSOR AGENCY TO THE EL CAJON REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY IS NOT ON THE AGENDA. 
          COMMENTS RELATING TO ITEMS ON TODAY'S AGENDA. 
          ARE WE TAKEN AT THE TIME THAT THE ITEM IS HEARD? STATE LAW PROHIBITS DISCUSSION OR ACTION ON ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA. 
          HOWEVER, CITY COUNCIL AND HOUSING AUTHORITY MEMBERS MAY BRIEFLY RESPOND TO STATEMENTS OR QUESTIONS, AND AN ITEM MAY BE PLACED ON A FUTURE AGENDA. 
          ANGELA, DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS? SIR? WE HAVE FIVE SPEAKER CARDS AND, UM, UH, FIRST ONES WILL BE MS. RENO AND MS. TI. 
          OKAY, NOW YOU'RE OFFICIAL. 
          YOU'RE, YOU'RE OKAY. 
          HELLO. 
          SO, TODAY WE'RE HERE TO ASK TO ASK FOR $2,500 TO HELP FUND THE 22ND ANNUAL MISS EL CAJON PAGEANT. 
          WE ARE GONNA USE THIS MONEY TOWARDS SCHOLARSHIPS FOR THE YOUTH, AND WE WOULD APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT AS WE CONTINUE TO SERVE THE COMMUNITY OF EL CAJON. 
          UM, NOW WE ARE A NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION, SO WE DO PUT ON THE PAGEANT COMPLETELY OURSELVES FROM SCHOLARSHIPS AND EVEN DIFFERENT EVENTS WE DO THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY. 
          UM, SO YOUR FUNDING WOULD REALLY HELP SUPPORT, UH, THE GIRLS OF EL CAJON. 
          SO, YEAH. 
          WHEN IS YOUR PAGEANT? IT'LL BE FRIDAY, JUNE 20TH. 
          LEMME SEE IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS FOR YOU. 
          NO. 
          WELL, THANK YOU FOR COMING. 
          UM, OUR CITY MANAGER, WE'LL GET BACK TO THEM AND TALK TO 'EM ABOUT THAT. 
          A ACTUALLY, UM, THE EARLY BIRD GETS THE WORM. 
          THEY ARE THE, THE EARLY BIRDS. 
          THIS IS ACTUALLY ON NEXT, NEXT MEETING'S AGENDA ALREADY. 
          UH, THE STAFF REPORT'S BEEN PREPARED. 
          IT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU'VE DONE IN THE PAST. 
          SO THIS WOULD BE AT YOUR NEXT MEETING. 
          CAN YOU COME BACK AT THE NEXT MEETING? I'M, I MIGHT BE THERE. 
          OKAY. 
          YES, . 
          GOOD. 
          GOOD. 
          WELL, WE, WE LOOK FORWARD TO THIS. 
          I, I THINK IT'S A GOOD CAUSE. 
          ALWAYS HAS BEEN. 
          YES. 
          YEAH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THANK YOU LADIES. 
          OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS JUSTIN HEIFERMAN HEFFERNAN. 
          HELLO. 
          WELCOME. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          I'M JUST GONNA READ A PRE-WRITTEN STATEMENT TO MAKE IT EASIER SURE. 
          ON EVERYBODY. 
          SURE. 
          THAT'S FINE. 
          UH, MY NAME IS JUSTIN HEFFERNAN AND I LIVE ON THE 800 BLOCK OF GRAVES AVENUE SOUTH OF BROADWAY. 
          I'VE LIVED AT THIS CURRENT ADDRESS SINCE 2016. 
          SINCE I MOVED IN, THERE'S BEEN AN ISSUE WITH CARS SPEEDING UPWARDS OF 60 MILES PER HOUR, GOING SOUTH ON GRAVES DOWN TO LLOYD STREET DOWN BY THE WASH. 
          UH, GRAVES IS A MAJOR DETOUR TO LOCALS AS THEY CAN SKIP TWO STOPLIGHTS WHEN THEY'RE LOOKING TO TRAVEL SOUTH ONTO VALENTINE. 
          THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THE INTERSECTION ON BROADWAY AND GRAVES IS APPROXIMATELY A QUARTER MILE DOWN THE LLOYD STREET. 
          FROM THE DAY I MOVED INTO YESTERDAY. 
          I'VE WITNESSED THREE ACCIDENTS WHERE SPEEDING CARS HAVE HIT PARKED CARS ON THE WEST SIDE OF GRAVES ACROSS FROM MY STREET. 
          BACK IN LATE 2024 WHEN THE CITY WAS REPAIRING THE VALENTINE'S SEWER LINE, UH, GRAVES WAS SHUT DOWN TO THROUGH TRAFFIC, AND A TEMPORARY STOP SIGN WAS PLACED WHEN GOING NORTH AND SOUTHBOUND ON THE INTERSECTION OF GRAVES AND CEDAR OVERNIGHT, THE SPEEDING CARS STOPPED. 
          THIS VASTLY IMPROVED THE SAFETY OF THE STREET FOR BOTH PARKED CARS, PEDESTRIANS, HOMEOWNERS, AND ANYONE TRYING TO PULL OUT OF THEIR DRIVEWAYS. 
          AND, OF COURSE, THE DREADED RIGHT HAND BLIND TURN ON THE GRAVES FROM CEDAR DO THE PARKED CARS. 
          I TOOK THE INITIATIVE TO PLACE REQUESTS TO GET THE ON THE GET IT DONE APP, TO HAVE A STOP SIGN PLACED GOING NORTH AND SOUTHBOUND ON GRAVES AT CEDAR. 
          MY WORK ORDER WAS SUBMITTED NOVEMBER 26TH, 2024. 
          ON DECEMBER 4TH, 2024, I RECEIVED AN EMAIL WITH WHAT I CONSIDER, DON'T TAKE THIS OFFENSIVELY, THE MOST BUREAUCRATIC RESPONSE IN BOTH THE EMAIL AND OUTCOME OF THE REQUEST. 
          I WAS TOLD THE TRAFFIC STUDY HAD BEEN CONDUCTED IN ADDING THE TWO STOP SIGNS AS UNWARRANTED. 
          INSTEAD, THE CITY WOULD WASTE TAX DOLLARS PUTTING UP 2 25 MILE AN HOUR SPEED LIMIT SIGNS. 
          IN MY OPINION, IF SOMEONE IS DRIVING 60 MILES AN HOUR DOWN A RESIDENTIAL STREET, THEY TREAT A SPEED LIMIT SIGN AS A JOKE, A STOP SIGN, HOWEVER, IS MUCH HARDER TO IGNORE. 
          ALSO, THE IDEA THAT ANY GOVERNMENT AGENCY WOULD BE ABLE TO DO THIS TRAFFIC SURVEY IN NINE DAYS IS KIND OF COMICAL IN MY OPINION. 
          THE REASON I DECIDED TO COME HERE TODAY WAS SIMPLE. 
          I WAS BRUSHING MY TEETH THIS MORNING, GETTING READY FOR WORK, AND I HEARD WHAT COULD BE CONSIDERED AN EXPLOSION OUTSIDE. 
          I WENT OUT TO TAKE A LOOK AND A CAR HAD BEEN TRAVELING SOUTH ON GRAVES AND HIT A PARKED VAN SO HARD IT PUSHED IT APPROXIMATELY 10 FEET AND UP ONTO THE CURB. 
          IRONICALLY, THE NEWLY ELECTED SPEED LIMIT SIGN WAS KNOCKED DOWN. 
          I ASKED YOU, THE ELECTED LEADERS TO NOT WASTE OUR TAX DOLLARS ON A REPLACEMENT SPEED LIMIT SIGN, BUT INSTEAD INSTALL THE STOP SIGNS ON CEDAR AND GRAVES, WHICH ARE DESPERATELY NEEDED. 
          AND I BROUGHT SOME PICTURES OF THE ACCIDENT FROM THIS MORNING. 
          CAN I APPROACH? YEAH, YOU, YOU MAY. 
          AND THEN HERE IS THE INITIAL RESPONSE TO THE WORK ORDER WHEN THEY GET IT DONE. 
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GRAHAM, ANY THOUGHTS ON THIS? A A COUPLE THOUGHTS. 
          ONE, IT'S NOT COMICAL THAT THE DATA WAS OB OBTAINED SO EASILY. 
          WE HAVE ACCESS TO THIS DATA PRETTY QUICKLY. 
          UM, ONE OF THE CHALLENGES IS THAT PUTTING IN A STOP SIGN WHERE IT'S NOT WARRANTED, THAT MEETS CERTAIN CRITERIA, PUTS THE CITY IN SOME LIABILITY. 
          AND I CERTAINLY RECOGNIZE THE CONCERN THAT THE RESIDENTS HAVE. 
          I ADMITTEDLY USE GRAVE STREET AS A WAY TO GET THROUGH THAT PART OF TOWN AS WELL. 
          UH, I NEVER SPEED. 
          UM, BUT I RECOGNIZE THAT IT IS A CHALLENGE FOR THOSE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          WE CAN RE-LOOK AT THAT. 
          WE WILL RUN SOME ANOTHER ANALYSIS, ESPECIALLY GIVEN THE LATEST CRASH AND SEE IF THAT CHANGED THE WARRANT. 
          UM, BUT, BUT, BUT WE WOULDN'T, STAFF WOULD NOT RECOMMEND PUTTING STOP SIGNS JUST BECAUSE IT FEELS RIGHT. 
          IT THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME JUSTIFIABLE REASON. 
          LEMME SEE IF THERE'S ANY COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO WANNA MAKE A STATEMENT OR ASK QUESTIONS OF YOU. 
          UH, EVERYBODY DOES. 
          WE'LL START WITH MICHELLE, MICHELLE AND WORK OUR WAY DOWN. 
          THANK YOU FOR COMING. 
          UM, AS I TELL PEOPLE ALL THE TIME, IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM AND IT'S NOT BEING RESOLVED, COME TO CITY COUNCIL, LOOK US IN THE EYE AND SAY, THIS IS WHAT I NEED. 
          UM, IT'S A LITTLE HARDER FOR US TO SAY NO WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT YOU. 
          I PERSONALLY GO THROUGH THAT AREA FROM TIME TO TIME, BUT I, UM, LOOK FOR THE HOMELESS ENCAMPMENTS, SIT OVER IN THAT AREA AND SEE WHAT THE STATUS IS AND WHAT'S GOING ON. 
          UM, I THINK STOP SIGNS ARE A DETERRENT. 
          YOU HAD ALREADY SHOWN IN YOUR ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE THAT, UH, PUTTING THE STOP SIGN UP WHEN WE WERE DOING THE REMODEL OR THE, THE WORK ON THE STREET, IT SLOWED IT DOWN. 
          I HAD THE SAME PROBLEM ON MO AND I GET THE SAME ANSWERS. 
          SO I, I FEEL YOUR PAIN. 
          UM, I PERSONALLY WOULD ASK FOR A STOP, FOUR STOP SIGNS TO BE PUT THERE. 
          I, THAT'S JUST MY OPINION. 
          AND, UM, WE'LL HAVE TO SEE WHAT THE REST OF THE COUNCIL CAN DO AND WHAT WE CAN DO ABOUT IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YOU'RE WELCOME. 
          JUSTIN. 
          HEY, THANK YOU FOR, COME BRING THIS TO OUR ATTENTION. 
          THE CITY'S TOO BIG FOR EVERYBODY, UM, TO SEE EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING ON FOR US TO SEE EVERYTHING GOING ON. 
          SO YOUR EYES AND EARS OUT IN THE PUBLIC. 
          UM, AND, UH, WE'VE HAD, UM, A HANDFUL OF SIMILAR ISSUES IN MY DISTRICT. 
          UM, AND BECAUSE OF HOW THE CITY MANAGER, WHAT, UH, THEIR EXPLAN, HIS EXPLANATION, UM, THERE HAS TO BE JUSTIFICATION PER, UH, CALIFORNIA VEHICLE CODE, OR CALTRANS, I THINK IS WHAT GUIDES IT TO HAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF ACCIDENTS OR TICKETS OR CERTAIN THINGS IN ORDER TO WARRANT IT. 
          IF WE PUT IT IN A STOP SIGN THAT'S UNWARRANTED, THEN THE CITY'S OPEN TO LIABILITY. 
          SO THERE HAS TO BE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TICKS. 
          AND SO I, I KNOW IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO RESIDENTS, BUT IT'S, IT'S WHY IT'S SO IMPORTANT. 
          WHENEVER THERE'S AN ACCIDENT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, DOCUMENT IT, FILE A POLICE REPORT. 
          IT'S TIME CONSUMING. 
          BUT ALL OF THOSE ADD UP. 
          SO WE DO GO TO LOOK AT THE WARRANTS AND THE TRAFFIC STUDIES. 
          IT'LL SHOW ALL THOSE DIFFERENT INCIDENCES, WHICH WILL BE PROOF. 
          IF IT'S NOT CALLED IN AND WE DON'T HAVE DOCUMENTATION OF IT, THEN IT DOESN'T COUNT TOWARDS THOSE INCIDENCES. 
          UM, SO IT'S VITALLY IMPORTANT. 
          TELL YOUR NEIGHBORS, SPREAD THE WORD. 
          UM, STOP SIGNS ARE, YOU KNOW, SOME, SOME PEOPLE PAY ATTENTION TO STOP SIGNS, SOME PEOPLE DON'T. 
          UM, BUT, UH, I, I COMPLETELY SHARE YOUR CONCERN. 
          UM, SPEEDING. 
          THE CITY HAS GOTTEN OUTTA CONTROL AND IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE IGNORE BY ANY MEANS. 
          UM, THE BEST WAY TO ADDRESS IT IS THROUGH A, AN ENGINEERING, UM, METHOD. 
          SOME WAY TO, UH, SLOW TRAFFIC DOWN. 
          UM, SO I KNOW OUR CITY STAFF, IT'S ON THEIR RADAR AND THEY'RE GOING TO RE-LOOK AT IT TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY OTHER CREATIVE WAYS TO SLOW TRAFFIC DOWN. 
          UM, SO WE'RE NOT, I I AM BY NO MEANS IGNORING THIS LOUD AND CLEAR. 
          UM, GOD FORBID IT'S A CHILD, OR, YOU KNOW, A ELDERLY PERSON WALKING ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD, IT HOPPED THE CURB. 
          YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? SO, UM, THIS IS, HAS OUR FULL ATTENTION. 
          THANK YOU A HUNDRED PERCENT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANKS FOR COMING AND LETTING US KNOW. 
          UM, MY QUESTION FOR CITY STAFF IS, WHAT'S THE EXPENSE OF A SPEED SURVEY? NUMBER ONE? UH, IT, IT'S NOT VERY EXPENSIVE. 
          I, I DON'T KNOW THAT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT IT'S, IT'S MINUS LESS, IT'S MINUSCULE UNDER A THOUSAND DOLLARS. 
          UNDER A THOUSAND DOLLARS. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE CANNOT TAKE ANY ACTION TODAY BECAUSE THIS IS PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          YES. 
          UH, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME INFORMATION ON THIS STREET FROM, UH, ABOUT SPEEDING. 
          I BET, I BET MY COLLEAGUES WOULD TOO. 
          BUT THAT'S NOT SOMETHING WE CAN VOTE ON. 
          THAT'S FINE. 
          UM, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. 
          I THINK ENGINEERING IS ALSO AN ANSWER. 
          THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 
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SPEED BUMPS, SPEED HUMPS, STOP SIGNS, FLASHING, STOP SIGNS, THOSE KIND OF THINGS. 
          I'D LIKE ALSO THE CITY STAFF TO LET YOU KNOW WHAT'S THE CRITERIA FOR A STOP SIGN. 
          THERE HAS TO BE SO MANY ACCIDENTS WITHIN A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME. 
          THERE HAS TO BE SPEEDS OF A CERTAIN KIND OF THING. 
          THERE HAS TO BE A SITE DISTANCE FOR THESE KIND OF THINGS. 
          I'D LIKE THEM TO TELL YOU WHAT THE CRITERIA IS. 
          SO YOU'RE FULLY INFORMED WITH ALL THE INFORMATION. 
          AND LIKE COUNCILMAN ORTIZ SAYS, THE MORE OF YOUR NEIGHBORS THAT YOU GET TO JOIN YOU, UH, ONE IS ENOUGH TO TAKE ACTION, BUT MORE IS, IS HELPFUL AS WELL. 
          WHAT MY PLANS ARE IS IF THIS DOESN'T GET RESOLVED PROPERLY, I'M JUST GONNA PERSONALLY GO HOUSE TO HOUSE MY WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD AND I'LL GET A PETITION SIGNED. 
          I DON'T WANT TO DO IT. 
          'CAUSE ONE, IT'S JUST BOTHERING PEOPLE AND IT'S WASTING EVERYONE'S TIME. 
          BUT IT NEEDS TO BE DONE. 
          THE ACCIDENTS AREN'T EXACTLY AT THE INTERSECTION. 
          THEY'RE ABOUT 150 FEET BEFORE THE INTERSECTION. 
          ALL THE ONES I PERSONALLY WITNESSED. 
          AND WHAT'S, WHAT COULD THOSE PICTURES YOU'RE LOOKING AT, THOSE COULD EASILY BE IN THAT INTERSECTION FROM SOMEONE TRYING TO TURN LEFT, GOING SOUTH ON THE GRAVES. 
          AND IF THEY'RE HIT AT 60 MILES AN HOUR, SI BROADSIDED, THEY'RE GONNA GET KILLED. 
          SO, SO WE NEED TO FIND OUT THE SPEED SURVEY. 
          YES. 
          HOW, WHAT'S THE AVERAGE SPEED? ARE THESE AN OUTLIER? AN OUTLIER EVEN IS A DANGEROUS OUTLIER. 
          SO HOW DO WE ADDRESS THE OUTLIERS WITH THAT, WITH ENGINEERING, WITH, WITH DIFFERENT KINDS OF THINGS? WHAT, AND THAT'S A DISCUSSION THAT THEY CAN HAVE WITH YOU BECAUSE SOMEBODY'S GONNA BLOW THROUGH A STOP SIGN IF THEY'RE GONNA DRIVE 60 MILES AN HOUR, ESPECIALLY IF THEY DON'T SEE, SEE ANY OBSTACLE AHEAD. 
          SO THEY'LL GET WITH YOU ON THE DIFFERENT OPTIONS FOR ENGINEERING SPEED, HUMPS, SPEED BUMPS, STOP SIGNS, AVERAGE SPEED, THOSE KIND OF THINGS. 
          BY NO MEANS IS IT A BOTHER TO YOUR NEIGHBORS. 
          WE HAD A, A NEIGHBORHOOD LIKE ABOUT 40 NEIGHBORS SIGNED A PETITION SAYING, DON'T CLOSE A, A UH, ALLEYWAY BETWEEN TWO STREETS. 
          THAT WAS VERY IMPACTFUL TO SEE 40 SIGNATURES FROM PEOPLE. 
          SO BY NO WAY WOULD I SAY TO YOU, THAT IS A BOTHER TO YOU OR TO THEM. 
          THAT IS VERY IMPACTFUL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WELL, FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR COMING IN AND THANK YOU FOR COMING IN AND LET US, LET US KNOW THERE'S A PROBLEM. 
          AND UH, THE STAFF, I ASSURE YOU, WILL BE VERY DILIGENT IN LOOKING AT THE SITUATION AND, UH, THEY'RE PRETTY GOOD AT WHAT THEY DO. 
          SO, UH, I'LL BE CURIOUS TO SEE THIS WHEN IT COMES BACK WITH A REPORT. 
          SO AGAIN, THANKS FOR COMING IN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          DO YOU HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS OR THAT'S IT. 
          I'M JUST GONNA GO HOME AND I'LL PUT IN A REQUEST TO HAVE THE SPEED LIMIT SIGN PUT BACK UP FOR NOW AT LEAST. 
          'CAUSE THEY KIND OF PUSHED IT BACK UP. 
          MAKE SURE YOU LEAVE YOUR, YOUR, ALL YOUR CONTACT INFORMATION WITH US. 
          SOMEBODY WILL GET BACK TO YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          AND DO ME A FAVOR, ONCE THIS WAS RESOLVED OR NOT RESOLVED, OR COME BACK TO CITY COUNCIL AND TELL US WHAT YOU'RE, WHAT YOU'VE SEEN HAPPEN. 
          YES, I WILL MAKE SURE I DO THAT. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANKS. 
          APPRECIATE THAT. 
          NEXT SPEAKER IS CARLOS GOMEZ PEREZ. 
          HELLO SIR. 
          WELCOME. 
          THERE YOU GO. 
          HELLO. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          ONCE AGAIN, HOPEFULLY EVERYBODY HAD A, YOU COULD SAY PLEASANT MEMORIAL DAY IF YOU ACTUALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT MEANS YESTERDAY. 
          UM, I'M HERE TO TOUCH BASE ON SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN CONSTANT FOR THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS. 
          UM, AND FROM MY POINT OF VIEW, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE, WELLS, REGARDING THAT YOUR JOB IS TO ENSURE THE SAFETY AND SECURITY OF EVERYONE OF YOUR CONSTITUENTS. 
          AND LAST WEEK THERE HAPPENED TO BE ANOTHER, YOU COULD SAY, ANOTHER KIDNAPPING ATTEMPT BY ICE OVER IN ANCESTRY OVER AN EL ELDERLY COUPLE. 
          AND I KNOW YOU HAVE NO POWER TO CALL ANYONE TO CONDUCT THOSE TYPE OF EVENTS, BUT I WAS WONDERING IF SOMEONE LIVES IN YOUR, IN YOUR CITY, AT THE END OF THE TIME, AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT IS KIND OF YOUR RIGHT TO ENSURE THEIR SAFETY. 
          SO I WAS WONDERING, UH, EVEN THOUGH AS WE 54 PASSED AND THERE'S, THERE'S SO ONLY SO MUCH YOU CAN DO AS A PERSON, WHAT CAN WE TELL THE PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY HERE IN O CAJON TO FEEL SAFER REGARDING ASPECTS THAT HAVE TO DO WITH 
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ICE COMING IN, ESPECIALLY IF, WELL, IT'S A COINCIDE COINCIDENCE, BUT WE ALL KNOW THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS COINCIDENCES WHEN ICE WERE NOT ABLE TO ATTEND, ATTEND ANYONE, BECAUSE LUCKILY THERE WERE COMMUNITY MEMBERS AROUND THE AREA THAT PREVENTED THEM FROM BEING TAKEN. 
          THIS WAS A COUPLE, THERE WERE, THERE WERE TWO, IT WAS AN ELDERLY COUPLE THAT ALL THEY WERE GONNA DO WAS GONNA GO TO A DOCTOR'S AND THEY STOPPED THEM FROM HAPPENING BY ENSURING THEY WERE RADIO TAPING AND BASICALLY TELLING 'EM, YOU DON'T HAVE RIGHTS. 
          YOU, THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T GET, YOU DON'T HAVE, THEY DON'T GET TO DO THAT. 
          BUT MINUTES LATER, COPS SHOWED UP, COPS SHOWED UP SAYING, WELL, WE GOT A CALL OR THE STRESS CALL BECAUSE THERE WAS SOME SUSPICIOUS ACTIVITY. 
          BUT THEN THERE WAS ALSO, THERE WERE ALSO A  BY A DRONE UNIT AS WELL. 
          SO I'M JUST TRYING TO FIND OUT WHAT CAN BE PUT OUT TO THE COMMUNITY. 
          AND I'M NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT HISPANIC COMMUNITY BECAUSE EVERYBODY KNOWS NOW IF YOU'RE KEEPING, KEEPING UP WITH THE NEWS, HOW EVEN AFGHANIS ARE LOSING THEIR VISAS. 
          AND SOME OF THOSE AFGHANIS WERE MY TRANSLATORS WHEN I WAS IN COMBAT, AND NOW 20 YEARS LATER THEY HAVE NO MORE RIGHTS EVEN THOUGH THEY PUT THEIR LIFE IN THE LINE LIKE I DID 20 YEARS AGO. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY MY QUESTION HERE. 
          WELL, I THINK THE FIRST THING THAT WE ALL HAVE TO DO IS HAVE CLARITY ABOUT WHAT'S REALLY GOING ON. 
          INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, I I DID HEAR ABOUT THE ANZA INCIDENTS AND I, I SPOKE WITH MY CITY MANAGER ABOUT TODAY. 
          UH, GRAHAM YOU WANT TO DISCUSS WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT? CERTAINLY. 
          SO, UM, THERE, THERE WAS AN ACCUSATION BY MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY THAT, THAT THERE WAS AN ICE RAID AND CITY EL OF EL CAJON POLICE WERE PARTICIPATING WITH THAT, INCLUDING THE USE OF A DRONE. 
          UM, ICE WAS NOT IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT DAY. 
          UH, THERE WAS A CALL FOR A SUSPICIOUS VEHICLE. 
          IT TURNS OUT THAT THE VEHICLE HAD SOME CONNECTION WITH SOMEONE THAT WAS A REGISTERED SEX OFFENDER IN GOOD STANDING. 
          BUT IT RESULTED IN US GOING OUT AND HAVING A CONTACT WITH THAT INDIVIDUAL AS WE DID. 
          SO SOMETHING HAPPENED WHERE THE COMMUNITY GOT INTO A FERVOR AND PEOPLE STARTED FILMING AND ACCUSING EL CAJON POLICE OF BEING ICE AGENTS. 
          SO I'M NOT SURE HOW WE COMBAT THAT UNLESS WE PUT ON OUR VEHICLES EL CAJON POLICE DEPARTMENT NOT ICE. 
          AND THAT, THAT'S THE ONLY SOLUTION AT THIS POINT. 
          BUT, UH, WHEN RUMORS START IN THE COMMUNITY AND, UM, IT HITS FACEBOOK AND PEOPLE THAT WEREN'T THERE ARE REPEATING THOSE EXACT SAME THINGS THAT THEY HEARD THAT DOES NOT HELP THE COMMUNITY. 
          AND THAT CLEARLY DOES NOT HELP INSTILL CONFIDENCE AND REDUCE FEAR IN OUR COMMUNITY. 
          I I I AGREE WITH YOU 1000%, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT'S HEARSAY. 
          I GET THAT. 
          UM, BUT ALSO TALKING ABOUT THE COPS AT, AT AT ALL, LIKE LITERALLY IF THEY'RE SHOWING UP AFTERWARDS, AND LIKE, LIKE I SAID, IF THERE WAS A A A CLAIM, THERE WAS SOMEONE THERE PERFECT. 
          GO AFTER THE CRIMINAL. 
          BUT WHAT I WAS TRYING TO SAY IS THAT THEN WHO WERE THE ONES TRYING TO RIP THE DOOR OPEN OF THE ELDERLY COUPLE AT THE ANSA MOTOR HOMES? UH, SORRY. 
          WHO, WHO WERE THE ONES THAT DID WHAT? TRYING TO RIP THE DOOR OPEN FROM THE ELDERLY COUPLE THAT WAS BEING, TRYING TO BE TAKEN. 
          ARE WE SURE THAT THAT HAPPENED? YES. 
          THERE'S, IT IS VIDEO EVIDENCE. 
          OH, THAT THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY. 
          I'M NOT SAYING. 
          YEAH, NO, I MEAN, I, I'D LIKE TO GET THAT. 
          YOU KNOW WHAT I, I WANNA ASK OUR CHIEF OF POLICE TO COME UP BE BECAUSE THIS HAS BEEN A DIFFICULT SITUATION NONETHELESS. 
          YES, YOU'RE RIGHT. 
          AND ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK IS FRUSTRATING, I, I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE FRUSTRATED, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS I I FIND FRUSTRATING IS THAT A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT ARE SUPPOSEDLY HAPPENING NEVER HAPPENED. 
          AND, AND I, ONE OF THE THINGS I WANNA ASK OUR CHIEF OF POLICE WHEN HE COMES UP IS HAVE WE HAD ANY, UH, SITUATIONS WHERE WE HAVE CALLED ICE AND HAD THEM COME AND TAKE SOMEBODY? OR OUR OUR, UH, POLICE OFFICERS HAVE BEEN DEPUTIZED TO HELP ON OUR ICE RAID? I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER, BUT I'M GUESSING THAT IT'S, THAT THERE'S GONNA BE NONE. 
          I DON'T WANNA HAVE MY WORDS MISCONSTRUED. 
          I WASN'T, IT'S IMP IMPLEMENT I SAYING THAT WE WERE CALLING COPS TO BE ACTING WITH ICE. 
          I WAS NOT SAYING THAT. 
          I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          I JUST, I I, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY YOU, I, IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE ARE SAYING. 
          SO I THINK YOUR, YOUR QUESTION TO TO ME WAS HOW CAN WE MAKE PEOPLE FEEL SAFER? THAT IS MY ULTIMATE QUESTION. 
          THAT WAS, SORRY TO INTERRUPT YOU REAL FAST. 
          YES. 
          THAT'S MY ULTIMATE QUESTION. 
          HOW COULD WE MAKE THE WHOLE COMMUNITY SAFER TO FEEL SAFE IN, IN THAT ASPECT? BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE SAYING. 
          WE, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE, HOW WE SAID THAT THE COPS IN OKLAHOMA CITY WERE NOT GONNA BE COLLABORATING WITH ICE. 
          AND DEFINITELY THEY WERE NOT GONNA BE THE ONES GOING OUT OUT THERE AND APPREHEND ANYONE. 
          I UNDERSTAND THAT COMPLETELY. 
          AND I, AND I'M THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT. 
          BUT I WAS TRYING TO SAY IT'S LIKE, AS A, AS A CITY, HOW CAN WE PUT OUT THERE FOR PEOPLE? YOU'RE SAYING THERE'S 
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THINGS THAT ARE NOT, ARE BEING HEARSAY OR THEY'RE NOT HAPPENING, BUT MOST PEOPLE WANNA SAY, WELL, WHAT'S HAPPENING IN OTHER STATES? I'M LIKE, NOT EVEN, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT OTHER STATES JUST ALONE. 
          IT'S WHAT HAPPENED IN, UH, DOWNTOWN SAN DIEGO AND THE ACTUAL IMMIGRATION COURTHOUSES THERE, ICE ASIANS WITH COVER UP FACES INSIDE THE HALLWAYS TAKING PEOPLE. 
          AND THAT'S THE SAME INDI NOT, NOT SAYING THOSE WERE SAME INDIVIDUALS, BUT IT'S THE SAME CATEGORY OF PEOPLE THAT WERE HERE IN EL CAJON CITY LAST TUESDAY. 
          AND THAT'S THE VIDEOS THAT'S OUT THERE. 
          THAT'S WHAT THAT THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO, HOW CAN WE PREVENT BRENDA FROM, LET ME ASK THAT, PLEASE. 
          SHOOT. 
          BUT THE ONE THING I, JUST TO FINISH MY THOUGHT, THE ONE THING I THINK WE CAN DO TO KEEP PEOPLE FEELING SAFE THE MOST IS TO MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER INFORMATION EITHER SIDE IS GIVING IS ACCURATE INFORMATION AND BASED UPON REALITY, NOT UPON CONJECTURE OR, OR LIKE YOU SAID, HEARSAY. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO CHIEF, CAN YOU, CAN YOU GIVE US, FIRST OFF, DO YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THIS ANZA SITUATION? I'M FAMILIAR WITH ONLY OUR RESPONSE TO IT, AND IT, AND THE CITY MANAGER ALREADY DESCRIBED EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED FROM OUR RESPONSE. 
          SO AS, AS FAR AS THE POLICE DEPARTMENT'S ROLE IN THE CITY, OUR JOB IS TO RESPOND TO CRIME AND TO PREVENT CRIME REGARDLESS OF WHO'S INVOLVED IN IT. 
          UH, IT'S ALSO ABSOLUTELY NOT OUR JOB TO PREVENT FEDERAL AUTHORITIES FROM DOING ANYTHING, WHETHER THAT'S ICE, THE IRS, RIGHT? REGARDLESS THAT THEY HAVE THEIR OWN AUTHORITY TO DO THEIR OWN THING. 
          WE DON'T GET INVOLVED. 
          WE DON'T CALL ICE, WE DON'T CALL THE IRS, UH, YOU KNOW, WE RESPOND TO, AND WE PREVENT CRIME IN THE CITY OF EL CAJON, REGARDLESS OF WHO'S INVOLVED. 
          ARE WE DEPUTIZING ANY OF OUR OFFICERS TO WORK AS DE FACTO ICE AGENTS? NO, WE ABSOLUTELY ARE NOT. 
          UH, SB 54 PREVENTS ALL OF THAT. 
          SO IT PREVENTS OUR INVOLVEMENT, UH, IN ANY CAPACITY EXCEPT FOR THE DESIGNATED SECTIONS SPELLED OUT, UH, WHEN THEY CAN BE CALLED. 
          THAT'S USUALLY THE SHERIFF THAT HANDLES THAT TO, TO YOUR, UH, KNOWLEDGE. 
          HAVE WE HAD ANY IN THE LAST TWO MONTHS, HAVE WE HAD ANY ICE RAIDS IN ELCON? NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE. 
          IN FACT, UH, OF JUST LIKE WE PARTNER WITH ALL OF OUR FEDERAL PARTNERS, UH, WE MEET REGULARLY WITH, UH, ICE D-H-S-F-B-I, UH, DEA AND WE MEET ONCE A MONTH WITH THE DEPARTMENT HEADS. 
          THEY'VE AGREED TO LET US KNOW ONCE THEY HAVE EITHER COME IN OR ARE GOING TO BE IN EL CAJON. 
          SO THERE'S DECONFLICTION. 
          SO WE'RE AWARE THAT THERE'S OTHER LAW ENFORCEMENT CONDUCTING BUSINESS IN THE CITY. 
          SO WE DON'T RESPOND TO A CALL INADVERTENTLY WITHOUT REALIZING WHO'S OUT THERE. 
          I'VE GOTTEN ZERO NOTIFICATIONS FOR PROBABLY FOUR TO SIX WEEKS THAT THEY'VE BEEN OUT IN OUR CITY. 
          BEFORE I LET YOU GO, LEMME ASK ANY OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT WANNA ASK ANYTHING OF THE CHIEF THANK YOU, CHIEF, FOR YOUR EXPLANATION. 
          UM, IS IT POSSIBLE THAT THERE MAY BE BAD CHARACTERS OUT THERE OBTAINING, UM, SIMILAR LOOKING UNIFORMS AND DOING THEIR OWN THEIR OWN DEAL? SO IT'S POSSIBLE, BUT THEN I, I WOULD ENCOURAGE AND I WOULD ALSO INQUIRE AS TO WHY THE VICTIMS OF THOSE INCIDENTS AREN'T CALLING US. 
          AND, AND WE'RE ONLY HEARING IT FROM A BYSTANDERS PERSPECTIVE. 
          SO IT'S CERTAINLY POSSIBLE. 
          BUT I WOULD IMAGINE IF THAT'S HAPPENING, WE WOULD BE GETTING PHONE CALLS FROM, FROM THE VICTIMS OF THOSE CRIMES. 
          I'M JUST ASKING 'CAUSE I I HAVE HEARD THAT YOU CAN BUY STUFF ON ETSY, YOU CAN BUY STUFF ON AMAZON. 
          I LOOKED IT UP MYSELF AND, UM, YOU CAN BUY TACTICAL GEAR ON AMAZON TO APPEAR AS AN, UH, WHAT DO YOU CALL IT, AN UN BADGED OR, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY POSING AS AN ICE AGENT WITHOUT SAYING ICE ON IT. 
          UM, SO ANYWAY, I'M JUST ASKING. 
          THANK YOU CHIEF, THANKS FOR THAT EXPLANATION. 
          AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT, UH, TO THE SPEAKER'S POINT THAT THE COMMUNITY KNOWS WHAT EL CAJON POLICE IS ARE DOING AND WHAT THEY'RE NOT DOING. 
          AND, UH, TO MY UNDERSTANDING THAT, YOU KNOW, OUR POLICE OFFICERS ARE NOT CHECKING IMMIGRATION STATUS OF OUR RESIDENTS TO THE DEGREE OF, UH, WHEN THEY GET PULLED OVER FOR SPEEDING OR, OR EXPIRED REGISTRATION OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. 
          AM I CORRECT IN ASSUMING THAT YOU'RE CORRECT? WE'RE ABSOLUTELY NOT DOING THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          SO, UM, OUR, OUR FOCUS REALLY IS CRIME, UM, IN THAT RESPECT. 
          AND SO TO THE SPEAKER'S POINT, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT HEARING IT FROM THE CHIEF, WHAT ARE WE NOT DOING? AND IF THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE HAPPENING OUTSIDE OF WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, THEN THE PUBLIC NEEDS TO LET LAW ENFORCEMENT KNOW AND LET US KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS, THIS IS OUR POLICY IN THE CITY, THIS IS THE CHIEF'S POLICY. 
          IF THAT'S NOT HAPPENING, THEN PLEASE LET US KNOW SO WE CAN ADDRESS IT ACCORDINGLY, UM, CHAIN OF COMMAND. 
          SO, UM, THANKS FOR CLARIFYING CHIEF. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          UH, TO YOUR QUESTION, WHAT CAN YOU DO TO FEEL SAFE? UH, I THINK THE CHIEF CAN GIVE YOU A PHONE NUMBER OF SOMEBODY IN HIS DEPARTMENT WHO YOU CAN CALL AND YOU CAN JUST SAY, IS 
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THIS TRUE? I DON'T FEEL SAFE RIGHT NOW. 
          IS THIS EVENT HAPPENING? IS IT TRUE? YES OR NO? AND IF HE SAYS, WE HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH IT, YOU SHOULD FEEL SAFE BASED ON WHAT HE'S DOING, ME FEEL UNSAFE OR I FEEL SAFE. 
          ANYONE, IF ANYONE IN THE CITY FEELS UNSAFE, THEY SHOULD CALL THE POLICE AND SAY, IS THIS A REASON TO BE UNSAFE IN THE CITY? ABSOLUTELY. 
          THE POLICE WILL KNOW THERE'S A, THERE'S A SWAT ACTIVITY GOING ON IN THAT STREET. 
          WE ASK YOU TO AVOID THAT STREET. 
          RIGHT NOW, THAT STREET IS NOT SAFE TO WALK THROUGH OR DRIVE THROUGH. 
          ON THE OTHER HAND, THEY SAY, WE HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE OF ANY ACTIVITY GOING ON IN EL CAJON. 
          THERE'S NO REASON THAT WE KNOW OF WHY YOU WOULDN'T, SHOULDN'T FEEL SAFE. 
          IT'S THE COMMUNICATION THAT'S THE KEY. 
          WHEN PEOPLE JUST START GETTING ON THE INTERNET BECOME KEY ANONYMOUS KEYBOARD WARRIORS, THEY DO SUCH A DISSERVICE TO THIS COMMUNITY. 
          AND SOMETIMES AS PEOPLE OUTSIDE OUR CITY DOING THIS TO US, AND IT'S NOT FAIR, IT'S NOT FAIR TO THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE THAT THEY DO THAT. 
          SO THE BEST THING YOU CAN DO IS COMMUNICATE. 
          AND THE PROBLEM OF THE POLICE WHO'S IN CHARGE OF OUR SAFETY WOULD BE THE BEST PEOPLE TO SAY. 
          IS IT TRUE? I'M SURE HE WOULD GIVE YOU THE CONTACT INFORMATION OF SOMEBODY IN HIS DEPARTMENT WHO COULD BE THAT SOURCE FOR YOU. 
          ANYBODY ELSE? YEAH. 
          MY UNDERSTANDING IS WE DON'T EVEN HAVE ACCESS TO THE ICE DATABASE, RIGHT? WE DON'T ACCESS AN ICE DATABASE. 
          NO. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANKS CHIEF. 
          APPRECIATE IT. 
          . 
          OKAY, SIR. 
          I, THANKS FOR, UH, BRINGING IT UP. 
          'CAUSE IT, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE ALL KIND OF CLEAR THE AIR AND SEE WHAT'S REALLY HAPPENING. 
          SO YEAH, THAT'S THE REASON WHY I ASKED. 
          AND I, I, I, THAT WAS MY, MY MY, MY ONLY IDEA TO FIND OUT, OKAY, WHAT CAN WE TELL THE COMMUNITIES SO THEY CAN FEEL SAFE? SO THAT WAS, THAT WAS ULTIMATE GOAL FOR THIS POINT. 
          AND IF YOU KNOW OF ANYBODY ELSE THAT NEEDS CLARIFICATION, YOU KNOW, PLEASE HAVE 'EM REACH OUT TO OUR OFFICE. 
          OR ME PERSONALLY, I'M HAPPY TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH ANYBODY TO, LIKE I SAID, CLARIFY EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE DOING AND IF THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE HAPPENING IN THE FIELD, LET US KNOW. 
          YOU HAVE AN OPEN LINE OF COMMUNICATION, UM, WITH US AND, AND OUR CITY STAFF TO MAKE TO, TO QUELL SOME OF THOSE FEARS. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          APPRECIATE IT. 
          LAST SPEAKER IS BRENDA HAMMOND. 
          HI BRENDA. 
          KEEP SMILING. 
          I HAVE A, UM, I HAVE A MORE FUN GRIPE. 
          SO WHEN THE CONCERTS, WE STARTED DOING SUMMER CONCERTS IN THE COUNTY. 
          IT WAS LEMON GROVE ON THURSDAYS, WEDNESDAYS WAS, UM, SANTEE LEMON GROVE ON THURSDAYS, ELON FRIDAYS GROSSMONT CENTER ON SATURDAYS. 
          SO I THOUGHT, OH GREAT, I CAN DANCE HALF THE WEEK NOW. 
          WE GOT EL CAJON ON THURSDAY, LEMON GROVE ON THURSDAY, AND I DON'T HAVE SANTI WITH ME, BUT SANTI ON THURSDAY. 
          AND SO HERE'S THE GOOD NEWS. 
          GROSSMONT CENTER, WHICH IS HALF LA MESA AND HALF EL CAJON RIGHT. 
          IS ON SATURDAYS. 
          SO, JUST SO YOU KNOW, JUST CURIOUS WHY WE'RE DOING, SOMEBODY TOLD ME IT WAS BECAUSE THERE WAS TOO MANY, THERE WAS, THE CROWDS WERE TOO BIG. 
          SO THEY WANTED TO HAVE, THEY WANTED TO HAVE THE CITIES DO IT ALL ON THE SAME NIGHT, SO THE CROWDS WOULD BE SPREAD OUT. 
          I MEAN, THAT'S NOT FUN FOR ME, . 
          ANYWAY, SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN, YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER THAT. 
          NO, NO. 
          I, I I LIKE TO ANSWER THAT. 
          I, I WAS AT THE ELKS CLUB, UH, YESTERDAY, AND THAT WAS PROBABLY THE QUESTION I GOT ASKED A DOZEN TIMES. 
          AND UNFORTUNATELY THE ANSWER IS THAT WE AS A CITY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE CONCERTS. 
          THE, THE DOWNTOWN PARTNERSHIP PUTS ON THE CONCERTS AND THEY MADE THAT DECISION. 
          BUT I WILL PASS IT ON TO THEM THAT, THAT NUMEROUS PEOPLE HAVE COMPLAINED AND, AND THANK YOU MAYOR WELLS. 
          UM, I I KIND OF ALREADY KNEW THAT AND I WAS JUST HOPING THEY'D BE LISTENING. 
          'CAUSE I'M GONNA SAY THIS IN EVERY CITY. 
          YEAH, NO, I THINK IT'S A, I THINK IT'S A LEGITIMATE COMPLAINT. 
          YOU KNOW WHAT, WE SHOULD SPREAD IT OUT AND, AND LET EVERYBODY INVOL ENJOY ALL OF 'EM. 
          SO I'LL, YEAH. 
          WELL, IT MAY NOT BE, I'M GONNA PASS IT ON TO THE RIGHT PERSON. 
          UH, PHIL, IT MAY NOT BE A BIG DEAL TO A LOT OF PEOPLE, BUT, SO NOW WE HAVE TO PICK OUT WHICH BAND WE WANNA LISTEN TO. 
          , THAT'S A, OR WE COULD FLY. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          THAT'S ANOTHER PROBLEM. 
          THANKS, BRENDA. 
          JUST, I'M JUST CURIOUS. 
          I'M NOT MAD ABOUT IT. 
          I, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I DON'T GET, I KNOW THAT YEAH, , RIGHT, 
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GRAHAM, BRENDA, WE'VE, WE'VE, WE'VE HEARD THE FEEDBACK FROM A LOT OF PEOPLE ABOUT CHANGING IT. 
          AND, UH, I THINK PART OF THE DISCUSSION, AND I COULD BE, I COULD BE WRONG, BUT I THINK PART OF THE REASONING WAS, UH, THE RESTAURANT OWNERS HAD EXPRESSED THAT THURSDAYS ARE SLOW. 
          FRIDAYS ARE ALWAYS BUSY. 
          YEAH. 
          NO MATTER WHAT, WHETHER THERE'S CONCERTS OR NOT. 
          SO THE DESIRE WAS LET'S TRY AND MOVE THE CONCERTS TO THURSDAY TO UPTICK THE RESTAURANT ACTIVITY. 
          'CAUSE YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THE REASON THAT WE HAVE THE DOWNTOWN BUSINESS PARTNERSHIP IS TO GROW DOWNTOWN AND KEEP PEOPLE COMING. 
          AND SO I REALIZE THAT. 
          SO, AND I'M JUST HAVING FUN WITH YOU GUYS. 
          I I KNOW YOU'RE GREAT, BRENDA. 
          I'M PRETTY INTELLIGENT. 
          I COULD FIGURE THAT STUFF OUT. 
          WE LOVE YOU. 
          IN FACT, I WAS TOLD I WAS TOO INTELLIGENT TO BE MAYOR. 
           . 
          IT'S, IT'S A TRUE STORY. 
          I'LL TELL YOU LATER. 
          , SEE YOU LATER. 
          I, I THANK YOU. 
          I, I'LL TAKE THAT OTHER ADVICE. 
          BUT THANK YOU  . 
          I'M JUST HAVING FUN WITH YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANKS BRENDA. 
          NOBODY'S EVER SAID I WAS TOO INTELLIGENT TO BE MAYOR, SO I WON'T . 
          I DON'T WANT A NAME DROP, BUT IT WAS SOMEBODY FROM LA MESA. 
          OH YEAH. 
          WELL THEN WE DON'T CARE. 
          . 
          NO, WE HAVE NO WRITTEN COMMUNICATIONS ON TODAY'S AGENDA. 
          WE HAVE NO PUBLIC HEARINGS ON TODAY'S AGENDA. 
          WE HAVE TWO ADMINISTRATIVE 
          [10. Business Beautification Grant Program RECOMMENDATION: That the City Council accepts the report on the Business Beautification Grant Program.]
REPORTS ON TODAY'S AGENDA. 
          ITEM 10 IS AN UPDATE ON THE BUSINESS BEAUTIFICATION GRANT, PROGRAM MARKETING AND ENGAGEMENT MANAGER, CHRIS BERG WILL TELL US ALL ABOUT THIS. 
          HELLO CHRIS. 
          HELLO MAYOR AND COUNCIL. 
          UH, MY NAME IS CHRIS BERG, THE MARKETING AND ENGAGEMENT MANAGER FOR THE CITY OF EL CAJON. 
          AND TODAY I WANTED TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON WHAT WAS A VERY EXCITING PROGRAM IN THE LAST YEAR, WHICH WAS OUR, UH, BUSINESS BEAUTIFICATION GRANT. 
          IN JANUARY OF 2024, YOU ALL ALLOCATED $500,000 FROM ARPA FUNDS TO BE USED TO BEAUTIFY THE FACADES OF OUR LOCAL BUSINESSES, WHICH INCLUDED SIGNS PAINT AND WINDOW REPAIR. 
          UH, IN FEBRUARY WE LAUNCHED THE PROGRAM. 
          WE BEGAN ENGAGING BUSINESSES, HAD A WEBSITE UP FOR, UH, THEM TO APPLY, AND WE HAD OVERWHELMING RESPONSE. 
          IN MAY, WE CAME BACK, UH, WE HAD $1.7 MILLION IN REQUESTS FAR MORE THAN THE 500,000 THAT YOU HAD ORIGINALLY ALLOCATED. 
          AND I BELIEVE IT WAS RYAN VIEGAS THAT CAME TO, UH, PLEAD FOR MORE . 
          AND, UH, YOU ALL, UH, HAD DOUBLED THAT AMOUNT AND GAVE US A MATRIX OF WHAT TO USE IN ORDER TO PRIORITIZE THOSE BUSINESSES. 
          AND, UH, SO WE IMMEDIATELY BEGAN THAT PROCESS. 
          COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT WAS, UH, VERY PROACTIVE AND INUNDATED WITH A LOT OF REQUESTS ON SIGN GRANTS, UH, TO GET ALL THOSE APPROVED. 
          AND IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE WANTED TO MOVE VERY QUICKLY ON SO THAT THE BUSINESSES COULD GET THOSE UP AND RUNNING. 
          AND, UM, ALMOST ALL WERE COMPLETED BY DECEMBER OF LAST YEAR. 
          SO IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WENT VERY QUICKLY FOR ME. 
          IT WAS A GREAT EXAMPLE OF HOW CITI WAS ABLE TO ENGAGE WITH THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY HERE. 
          UH, WE LAUNCHED IT WITH OUR DEDICATED WEBSITE. 
          WE HAD IT IN THE MY EL CAJON MAGAZINE. 
          WE DID EMAILS. 
          UH, ONE OF THE GREAT PARTNERSHIPS WAS THAT WE WORKED WITH THE EAST COUNTY CHAMBER OF COMMERCE. 
          UH, THEY DID AN E-BLAST OUT TO ALL OF THEIR MEMBERS. 
          WE HELD A WORKSHOP AT THEIR LOCATION WHERE WE BROUGHT OUT SIGN MAKERS AS WELL AS ALL THE BUSINESSES INTERESTED SO THAT THEY COULD FIND OUT THAT THIS WASN'T TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE. 
          UH, AND WE COULD WALK THEM THROUGH THE PROCESS AND, UM, LEVERAGED, UH, OUR BUSINESS LICENSE LIST AS WELL TO EMAIL ALL OF THOSE THAT ARE REGISTERED. 
          SO THERE WAS NO BUSINESS LEFT UNATTENDED ON THIS PROGRAM AND HAD SOME REALLY, REALLY GREAT SUCCESS. 
          SO WITH THE NUMBERS, UH, JUST WANTED TO SHOW YOU, THERE WERE 60 INDIVIDUAL BUSINESSES SERVED, UH, WITH A TOTAL OF 75 GRANTS. 
          AND THIS IS BECAUSE SOME BUSINESSES WOULD APPLY FOR MULTIPLE GRANTS. 
          THEY COULD DO SIGN PAINT AND WINDOWS. 
          SO THERE WERE SOME THAT HAD COMBINATIONS. 
          AND SO YOU COULD SEE WE HAD, UH, THE LARGEST ONE WAS THE SIGN GRANT PROGRAM WITH OVER $700,000, UH, ALLOCATED TO THAT. 
          JUST A COUPLE GREAT BEFORE AND AFTER SHOTS. 
          I, I'M NOT GONNA SHOW ALL 60 BUSINESSES, BUT SOME THAT JUST REALLY MADE A DIFFERENCE THAT YOU CAN SEE, UH, WHERE IT REALLY BRINGS OUT SOME ECONOMIC VITALITY ON MAIN STREET, MAIN STREET, DONUTS AND DELI. 
          HERE YOU CAN SEE SHE WAS ABLE TO DO HER REBRAND, HAVE A VERY NICE, UH, LIT SIGN, WHICH REALLY ENHANCES. 
          UM, WHAT WAS GREAT IS SHE HAD THIS DONE JUST BEFORE OUR HOLIDAY LIGHTS ON MAINE. 
          UH, SO IT WAS NICE TO HAVE THAT ILLUMINATED FOR AN EVENING EVENT. 
          CAL ROOF, A MANUFACTURER OUT BY THE AIRPORT, UM, EL CAJON BLUEPRINT. 
          YOU CAN SEE THE BEFORE SIGN, UH, WAS IN NEED OF A LOT OF REPAIR. 
          AND THIS IS WHERE THE CITY'S DONE SOME MAJOR, UH, INVESTMENT IN OTHER INFRASTRUCTURE. 
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SO IT WAS NICE TO HAVE THIS FACADE IMPROVE AS WELL. 
          UH, EASY CORNER LIQUOR, THIS ONE WAS IN MAJOR NEED OF REPAIR. 
          LYNNS LOCKSMITH. 
          THIS WAS A GREAT EXAMPLE OF MULTIPLE CITY DEPARTMENTS WORKING TOGETHER TO HELP THIS BUSINESS. 
          NOT ONLY DID THEY DO THE SIGN AND PAINT GRANT, BUT AT THE EXACT SAME TIME, SERGEANT GRAY, WHO WAS IN CHARGE OF THE SEU UNIT AT THE TIME, WENT OUT THERE AND WORKED WITH THEM ON HOW TO DO OTHER PROACTIVE MEASURES AGAINST ENCAMPMENTS IN THEIR PARKING LOT. 
          UM, PEOPLE ARE LOITERING IN THE PARKING LOT, SO THEY REALLY APPRECIATED, IT WASN'T JUST A FACADE IMPROVEMENT, BUT IT REALLY HELPED THEIR BUSINESS OVERALL, HAVING MULTIPLE TOUCH POINTS IN THE CITY WORKING WITH THEM. 
          UM, TY COFFEE, A GREAT ONE OUT BY THE AIRPORT AS WELL. 
          THIS IS A, A REALLY FUN COFFEE SHOP THAT WE ACTUALLY FEATURED IN OUR MAGAZINE. 
          UH, LAST YEAR. 
          IT WAS IN ONE OF THE TOP FIVE BREAKFAST SPOTS IN EL CAJON. 
          ROB SP BREW POINT, AGAIN ON MAIN STREET. 
          UH, MAMA POTS A REALLY FUN IMPORTER OF, UH, PLANT POTTERY IN EL CAJON AND A MAJOR BUSINESS. 
          SHE'S GOTTEN A LOT OF REALLY FUN MEDIA. 
          SHE'S BEEN A REALLY GREAT, UM, STORYTELLER FOR EL CAJON AND GROWING HER BUSINESS HERE. 
          SO IT WAS GREAT TO SEE THEM HAVE THIS, UH, UPTICK IN THEIR FACADE. 
          UH, BABYLON PALACE, AS YOU'RE COMING IN ON MAGNOLIA, UH, INTO DOWNTOWN EL CAJON, GREAT TO HAVE THIS, UH, BE A BIG IMPROVEMENT IN NO WELCOMING COASTAL SIGNS. 
          PLUS, UM, IF THE, UH, THE PHRASE THE COBBLER'S CHILDREN HAVE NO SHOES. 
          UH, THIS WAS KIND OF THE SAME THING, A SIGN MAKER THAT DIDN'T HAVE A BIG SIGN. 
          SO THEY WERE ALSO ONE THAT DID A LOT OF THE SIGNS THAT WE HAVE IN EL CAJON HERE. 
          AND WE'VE GOT THE ART GALLERY, EAST COUNTY ART GALLERY IN SURGE COFFEE. 
          AND THEN THE LAST ONE I'VE GOT HERE IS POR VORE. 
          UM, BOTH VORE AND DOWNTOWN CAFE BOTH GOT UPGRADES. 
          SO WITH THAT, UH, ON BEHALF OF THE BUSINESSES, I WANNA THANK YOU FOR THAT INVESTMENT. 
          'CAUSE IT, IT REALLY HAS MADE SOME DRAMATIC IMPROVEMENTS ON A LOT OF THE FACADES AND THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FOR EL CAJON. 
          THANKS CHRIS. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, LET ME SEE IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS FOR YOU. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          I JUST WANTED TO THANK YOU FOR MAKING REALLY GOOD DECISION, YOU AND THE STAFF. 
          UH, I DRIVE AROUND EL CAJON A LOT. 
          I, AND I NOTICED A LENS LOCKSMITH THE OTHER DAY, AND THAT LOOKS REALLY GOOD. 
          THE BUILDING LOOKS SO MUCH NICER AND, UH, I, I CAN TELL WHEN I DRIVE DOWN MAIN STREET, ESPECIALLY THAT I, I LOOK AT SOME OF THESE BUILDINGS AND I GO, WOW, THAT LOOKS LIKE STARTING TO LOOK LIKE A NEW BUILDING. 
          YOU KNOW? AND IT ADDS A LOT. 
          SO IT'S REALLY A BIG BANG FOR THE BUCK. 
          AND THAT'S SOME MONEY THAT WAS WELL SPENT. 
          SO I THINK THE CITY MADE A GOOD DECISION IN, IN GOING WITH THAT. 
          AND THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU DID. 
          AGREED. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I THINK YOUR COMMUNICATION PLAN WAS EXCELLENT. 
          UH, YOU DID IT THROUGH THE US MAIL, YOU DO IT THROUGH A WEBSITE, YOU DID IT THROUGH SOCIAL MEDIA. 
          YOU COVERED MANY DIFFERENT WAYS THAT PEOPLE MIGHT FIND YOU BECAUSE NOT EVERYBODY IS ON INSTAGRAM OR NOT EVERYBODY LOOKS AT ALL THEIR 350 EMAILS EVERY DAY OR SOMETHING. 
          EVEN THE US MAIL, THAT WAS A GREAT CHOICE. 
          SO IT WAS EXECUTED VERY WELL. 
          THIS ADDS VALUE NOT ONLY TO THE COMMUNITY THROUGH BETTER SIGNAGE, BETTER LOOKING SIGNAGE, IT ACTUALLY INCREASES THE VALUE OF THE INVESTMENT OF THE OWNERS. 
          WHEN I, I KNOW FROM MY CAREER, WHEN RETAIL STORES INVEST IN NEW FLOORING, IN NEW PAINT, NEW FIXTURES, THINGS LIKE THAT, IT INCREASES THE VALUE OF THEIR BUSINESS SO THAT WHEN THEY GO TO CHOOSE TO SELL IT SOMEDAY, THEY WILL GET MORE FOR THEIR BUSINESS. 
          HAVE THEY NOT DONE THOSE THINGS? SO THANK YOU TO THOSE BUSINESSES THAT SAID, I'M IN, I'M IN AND GREAT MANAGEMENT BY THE CITY ON THIS PROGRAM. 
          AND TO YOUR POINT ON THAT, WE'VE ALSO NOTICED A LOT OF THE BUSINESSES THAT TOOK ADVANTAGE OF THE GRANT WERE NEXT DOOR TO BUSINESSES THAT DIDN'T. 
          AND THEY IMMEDIATELY WENT AND UPGRADED THEIRS BECAUSE IT WAS JUST THAT WE'RE IN THIS STRIP AND, UH, OUR NEIGHBORS ARE LOOKING BETTER. 
          SO IT, IT DEFINITELY HAD A, UH, A LONG-TERM EFFECT THERE AS WELL. 
          YEAH, CHRIS, GREAT WORK. 
          AND TO BUILD OFF OF YOUR POINT, NOT ONLY IS IT GONNA HAVE THE NEIGHBORS IN THE AREA ELEVATE AND INVEST, THAT WAS THE WHOLE PSYCHOLOGY BEHIND THIS IDEA IS LET'S ELEVATE, UH, WHAT ALL OF EL CAJON LOOKS LIKE. 
          UM, BUT I, I AKIN IT TO, YOU KNOW, WHEN MY WIFE SAYS WE NEED NEW FAUCETS IN THE BATHROOM AND THEN WE GOT THIS NICE NEW FAUCET AND THEN THE MIRROR LOOKS BAD AND THE TOWEL RACK LOOKS BAD AND THIS AND THAT. 
          AND SO IT'S GONNA PROVOKE THE BUSINESS OWNERS WHEN THIS LOOKS GOOD, ALL OF A SUDDEN, OH, YOU KNOW WHAT WE SHOULD THINK ABOUT REPAINTING IT 'CAUSE WE HAVE THIS NICE NEW SIGN AND YOU KNOW WHAT, THOSE UMBRELLAS ARE LOOKING A LITTLE OLD, I'M GONNA START LOOKING FOR IT ON. 
          SO IT'S CONTINUALLY DOING THAT STUFF FOR THE PUBLIC TO KNOW THAT WE GIVE THEM THE BUSINESS OWNERS A LITTLE BIT, A LITTLE BIT OF HELP, AND THEY'LL TAKE IT AS FAR AS THEY CAN. 
          SO CHRIS, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. 
          YOU ALWAYS DO A GREAT JOB. 
          UM, AND I APPRECIATE, UH, THE, THE EXAMPLES I HAVE NOTICED DRIVING 
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AROUND THE TOWN, UM, THAT EL CAJON IS STARTING TO PICK UP AS FAR AS LOOKING BETTER. 
          YES, WE STILL HAVE SOME AREAS, BUT I NOTICED THAT STREETS ARE, THERE ARE CERTAIN STREETS THAT ARE STARTING TO LOOK CLEANER MORE, UM, MORE TOGETHER IF YOU WILL. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE WHEN YOU WEAR AN OUTFIT AND YOU ARE WEARING THE WRONG JACKET, IT'S KIND OF THE SAME THING, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, THE BENCHES ALONG MAIN STREET, THE LANDSCAPING, THAT'S ALL PART OF IT. 
          AND I KNOW THAT YOU WERE NOT PART OF THAT PER SE, BUT IT, IT'S THAT IT'S THE NEW BENCHES, IT'S THE NEW SIGNS, IT'S NEW PAINTING AND IT'S JUST KIND OF BRINGING AND ELEVATING EL CAJON A LITTLE BIT MORE. 
          I'VE BEEN HERE A REALLY LONG TIME AND IT'S, SO, IT'S NICE TO SEE THAT OUR CITY IS LOOKING BETTER. 
          UM, NOW IF WE CAN JUST KEEP THAT MOMENTUM AND KEEP IT GOING, UM, I THINK THAT WE'LL EVENTUALLY ACCOMPLISH WHAT WE ARE, WHAT WE HAVE IN MIND. 
          SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK ON THIS. 
          I KNOW THAT YOU ARE VERY INSTRUMENTAL ON THIS. 
          YOU KNOW, I'M A BIG FAN OF YOURS AND, UM, I APPRECIATE ALL THE, THE WORK THAT YOU PUT INTO IT AND THE COOPERATION THAT YOU HAVE WITH OUR BUSINESS COMMUNITY. 
          THAT'S IMPORTANT TOO, BECAUSE THEY TRUST YOU AND THEY KNOW THAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO WHAT YOU SAID YOU WERE GOING TO DO AND GET IT DONE FOR 'EM. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COUPLE QUICK QUESTIONS. 
          IS THE PROGRAM COMPLETED? THERE ARE TWO OUTSTANDING GRANTS STILL THAT ARE JUST WAITING ON THE PERMITTING SIDE. 
          UM, BUT THEY HAVE, UH, AND I HAVE NOT LOOKED INTO SEEING WHERE THAT IS. 
          THEY, THEY MAY BE DONE, UM, PRETTY CLOSE THOUGH, BUT I KNOW THAT THERE'S JUST TOO OUTSTANDING. 
          BUT YEAH, EVERYTHING ELSE HAS BEEN PAID AND UM, I WOULD SAY OUR FINANCE TEAM TOO AS WELL WAS VERY QUICK AT THE REIMBURSEMENTS. 
          THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT THE BUSINESSES, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE OPERATING A SMALL BUSINESS, THIS IS A HUGE PIECE OF CASH TO PUT OUT. 
          AND, UH, I BELIEVE RYAN, NOBODY WAS MORE THAN TWO WEEKS OUT BY THE TIME THEY TURNED IN THEIR PAPERWORK THAT WE WERE ABLE TO DO REIMBURSEMENTS. 
          SO IT WAS A VERY QUICK TURN WILL BE, WE BE IN A ZERO BALANCE WHEN THIS IS OVER WITH NO MONEY LEFT ON THE ACCOUNT. 
          CORRECT. 
          ANY NEGATIVE? NO. 
          OKAY. 
          NO. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          THANKS. 
          MM-HMM . 
          UM, ANGELA, DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS FOR THIS ITEM? YES, WE DO. 
          WE HAVE FOUR. 
          THE FIRST ONE IS FROM LINDA BALANO. 
          HELLO LINDA. 
          WELCOME. 
          PULL THE MICROPHONE DOWN A LITTLE BIT. 
          THANKS. 
          YES. 
          MY NAME IS LINDA BALANO AND I AM THE PRESIDENT OF THE EAST COUNTY ART ASSOCIATION AND GOOD EVENING MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL. 
          I'M HERE TO EXPRESS MY SINCERE GRATITUDE, UH, FOR YOUR INCREDIBLE SUPPORT ON ALL THESE SMALL BUSINESSES HERE IN EL CAJON. 
          UM, THE FUNDING TO ALLOCATE TOWARDS THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OF LOCAL BUSINESSES HAS MADE A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT FOR ALL OF US, ESPECIALLY FOR OUR GALLERY. 
          WE WERE WITH BANNERS FOR SO MANY YEARS AND WE REALLY NEEDED THAT HELP, ESPECIALLY FOR THE GRANTS AND THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING AROUND OUR WORLD. 
          YOU KNOW, THE ARTS HAS BEEN REALLY HURTING SO MUCH, BUT THIS HAS REALLY HELPED THE EFFORTS. 
          IT'S BEEN ABLE TO ELEVATE OUR PROFESSIONAL PRESENCE AHEAD, EXPAND OUR RESEARCH, AND GAIN GREATER EXPOSURE WITHIN THE COMMUNITY. 
          UM, YOUR EFFORTS ON HELPING SMALL BUSINESSES HAS BEEN TREMENDOUSLY, ESPECIALLY IN THE ARTS AND ON BEHALF OF MYSELF AND MANY SMALL BUSINESSES OWNERS WHO HAVE DIRECTLY BENEFIT FROM ALL YOUR COMMITMENTS. 
          AND WE THANK YOU SO MUCH FROM THE BOTTOM OF OUR HEART TO HELP THE ARTS IN THE CREATIVITY HERE IN DOWNTOWN IN CAJON. 
          IT HELPS US SO MUCH TREMENDOUSLY BECAUSE WE ARE ON MAIN STREET. 
          OUR GALLERY HAS BEEN THERE SINCE, AND WE OPENING IN JANUARY OF 2020. 
          SO WE'VE BEEN THROUGH A LOT AND ALL YOUR SUPPORT HAD HELPED US AND COME ON DOWN AND HELP IN JUST THE PAINTING. 
          WE HAVE A MURAL AND WE HAVE A BEAUTIFUL SIGN AND WE ARE SO PROUD TO BE HERE IN DOWNTOWN EL CAJON. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH TO EVERYONE. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          MOLLY RUM. 
          WE AFTERNOON. 
          I'M MOLLY CRUM WEEDY. 
          I'M THE OWNER OF CAMP RUNT OVER ON PIONEER, AND WE WERE ONE OF THE VERY GRATEFUL RECIPIENTS OF A SIGN, UH, AT THE TIME THIS PROGRAM STARTED. 
          WE WERE ALSO IN THE PROCESS OF MOVING OUR BUSINESS. 
          SO WE REALLY DIDN'T HAVE A BUDGET FOR SIGNAGE. 
          WE WEREN'T SURE WHAT WE WERE GONNA DO. 
          AND WHEN THIS OPPORTUNITY PRESENTED ITSELF, IT REALLY DID SOUND TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE AND IT WAS BEYOND OUR EXPECTATIONS. 
          WE HAVE A BEAUTIFUL SIGN THAT REPRESENTS OUR BUSINESS AND THE PRIDE THAT WE HAVE IN OUR BUSINESS. 
          IT LIGHTS UP, WHICH IS EXTRAORDINARY BECAUSE THERE ARE A LOT OF DRIVEWAYS, A LOT OF BUSINESSES ON PIONEER, AND OUR CUSTOMERS CAN SEE WHICH 
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DRIVEWAY TO GO INTO TO GET TO WHERE WE'RE LOCATED. 
          SO WE ARE JUST EXTREMELY GRATEFUL. 
          IT'S SOMETHING WE COULD NOT HAVE AFFORDED AND WE'RE VERY GRATEFUL TO HAVE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY. 
          I HOPE, UH, THAT THIS CAN HAPPEN AGAIN FOR MORE ES CAN CONTINUE TO SUPPORT US. 
          UM, I ALSO WANTED TO SAY CHRIS IS AMAZING TO WORK WITH. 
          THE WHOLE PROGRAM WAS VERY QUICK, VERY EFFICIENT, IT WAS VERY CLEAN. 
          AND THAT WE ALSO FEEL VERY SUPPORTED BY EVERYONE ELSE AT THE CITY. 
          EVERY DEPARTMENT THAT WE'VE HAD TO WORK WITH HAS ALWAYS MADE US FEEL VERY APPRECIATED. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          WONDERFUL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I'M GLAD IT WORKED OUT WELL. 
          I WANNA THANK YOU PERSONALLY FOR SPONSORING THE, UH, FIRE DEPARTMENT OPEN HOUSE. 
          UH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          AGAIN, I WANNA THANK YOU IN PERSON. 
          THAT WAS VERY SUCCESSFUL EVENT. 
          NEXT SPEAKER IS MARK KREN. 
          HI EVERYBODY ON THE COUNCIL. 
          UH, ALSO UP HERE TO EXPRESS MY GRATITUDE AS A BUSINESS OWNER. 
          UH, I GOT, I BENEFITED ON BOTH SIDES OF THIS BECAUSE I WAS THE ONE THAT DIDN'T HAVE MY SIGN AS A SIGN COMPANY, SO I HAVE A SIGN NOW, WHICH IS AWESOME. 
          UH, I'M RIGHT ON MARSHALL, SO IT'S PRETTY VISIBLE. 
          REALLY HELPS US OUT. 
          AND THEN ALSO A SPECIAL THANK YOU TO CHRIS FOR, UH, GETTING ME INVOLVED BECAUSE HE REACHED OUT THROUGH ANOTHER MUTUAL FRIEND, KIND OF LIKE LOOKING FOR SOME GUIDANCE ON THE SIGN PROGRAM AND SETTING IT UP AND ALL THAT. 
          AND, UH, HAD THE PLEASURE OF WORKING WITH HIM AND HE DID A GREAT JOB, I THINK. 
          AND THEN, UM, YEAH, JUST A LITTLE BIT, A LITTLE BIT ABOUT ME. 
          I ACTUALLY STARTED MY SIGN BUSINESS 13 YEARS AGO IN THE TOWN HOMES IN MY GARAGE ACROSS THE STREET. 
          SO WE'VE MADE IT A LONG WAYS AND PROGRAMS LIKE THIS REALLY, UH, HELP HELP US OUT A LOT. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          GREAT. 
          GLAD IT WORKED OUT. 
          LAST SPEAKER IS BRENDA HAMMOND. 
          HI BRENDA. 
          HI. 
          I, I THINK THIS IS SO GREAT, UM, THAT YOU'RE DOING THIS FOR THE BUSINESSES AND THEN I LOVE THAT THE BUSINESSES ARE TAKING, UH, YOU KNOW, TAKING YOU UP ON IT BECAUSE IN OTHER CITIES I SEE BUSINESS OWNERS THAT DON'T WANT TO. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, GIVE SOMEBODY 20 BUCKS AND THEY'LL GO GRAFFITI ON. 
          SO THEY HAVE TO, I'VE SEEN IT AND NOT IN JUST ONE CITY, BUT A FEW. 
          BUT THIS, THIS IS AWESOME. 
          I LOVE THIS. 
          AND REMEMBER WHEN I RUN AWAY, I ALWAYS COME TO EL CAJON FOR THAT REASON. 
          THANKS BRENDA. 
          OKAY. 
          CANCEL US BACK TO YOU OR OPEN FOR DISCUSSION OR IF SOMEBODY WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, WE COULD DO THAT. 
          I THINK WE JUST RECEIVED THE REPORT. 
          JUST RECEIVE THE REPORT. 
          YEAH, THAT'S IT YOU MAKE. 
          OH STEVE, DID YOU HAVE A COMMENT? SECOND, YOU WANT US TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION? OKAY, LET GO. 
          DID YOU MAKE A MOTION? YEAH, I MOVE TO RECEIVE THE REPORT. 
          OKAY, I'LL SECOND IT. 
          THANKS. 
          PLEASE VOTE. 
          YEAH, SURE. 
          MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE. 
          OH, LACROSSE. 
          WAIT, DON'T SIT DOWN GUYS. 
          C COME ON, COME ON UP . 
          SO THIS IS THE EL CAJON. 
          UH HMM. 
          SO THE GRANITE HILLS HIGH SCHOOL LACROSSE TEAM. 
          AND I'M GONNA LET STEVE GOBEL TELL US ALL ABOUT THIS. 
          SO COACH DIAZ IS HERE SOMEWHERE. 
          HEY, HOW ARE YOU DOING? AND THEN, UH, MR. GONZALEZ I THINK IS HERE SOMEWHERE. 
          THERE HE IS. 
          I'M NOT OH, OH IT'S MANNY. 
          HOW ARE YOU? GOOD, GOOD. 
          WELL, I GUESS BREAKFAST. 
          SO HERE'S WHAT I HEARD ABOUT THIS, THIS LACROSSE TEAM, UH, THEY WERE THE NUMBER FIVE SEED IN THE DIVISION ONE CF CHAMPIONSHIP. 
          THEY BEAT THE NUMBER FOUR SEED DEL NORTE IN THE QUARTERFINALS. 
          THEY BEAT THE NUMBER ONE SEED CARLSBAD IN THE SEMI-FINALS. 
          AND WELL, THEY BEAT THE NUMBER TWO SEED SAINT AUGUSTINE IN THE FINALS. 
          SO YOU ARE DIVISION ONE CHAMPIONS, CORRECT? YES. 
          UH, IT'S INTERESTING TO NOTE, APPARENTLY YOU LOST ALL THREE OF THOSE TEAMS DURING THE REGULAR SEASON, BUT YOU KICKED IT UP DURING THE UH, CIF PLAYOFFS. 
          SO WE HAVE BEFORE US A DIVISION ONE CIF CHAMPIONSHIP TEAM IN LACROSSE. 
          SO CONGRATULATIONS, IT'S GREAT TO RECOGNIZE YOU, UH, BEFORE THE, BEFORE YOUR PARENTS, UH, AND BEFORE EVERYBODY HERE IS SO GREAT JOB. 
          UH, 
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TEAM CAPTAIN OR ANYBODY WANNA SAY ANYTHING? UM, GOOD JOB . 
          THANK YOU FOR RECOGNIZING US. 
          THAT MEANS A LOT. 
          AND UM, I'M GLAD WE GOT TO GET A GOOD RUN AND WIN A DIVISION WIDE CHAMPIONSHIP. 
          IS THIS THE FIRST TIME GRETA HILLS HAS EVER WON THIS CHAMPIONSHIP? UH, YEAH. 
          DIVISION ONE CHAMPIONSHIP. 
          UH, WE WON A DIVISION TWO CHAMPIONSHIP, BUT UH, IN THE HISTORY OF THE PROGRAM, WE'VE NEVER BEEN TO A DIVISION ONE CHAMPIONSHIP AT ALL. 
          SO. 
          OR ONE OF ONE. 
          WOW. 
          WELL, WELL, WELL DONE. 
          AND HOW MANY SENIORS ARE GRADUATING? 10. 
          10. 
          UH, OKAY. 
          SO THE JUNIOR'S GOT A, GOT A LEGACY TO, TO BUILD ON HERE. 
          ANY YOUR CLASS, ANYBODY GO ON TO PLAY COLLEGE LACROSSE? WHERE? UH, UNIVERSITY OF UTAH. 
          HE'S A JUNIOR RIGHT NOW THOUGH, SO HE'S GOT ANOTHER YEAR. 
          . 
          WELL, CONGRATULATIONS WITH THE PARENTS FOR RAISING GREAT KIDS. 
          UH, THAT IT'S ALL ABOUT TEAMWORK. 
          LIFE IS ABOUT TEAMWORK, AND THEY'VE LEARNED TO BE CHAMPIONS IN DOING THAT. 
          SO CONGRATULATIONS. 
          WELL DONE. 
          EVERYBODY ELSE. 
          UH, BACK IN THE DAY I PLAYED LACROSSE AT SANTANA AND YOUR GUYS' PROGRAM STARTED. 
          YEAH, YOU GUYS WHOOPED UP ON US PRETTY BAD. 
          . 
          WE WERE SCARED TO PLAY YOU GUYS, BUT WE STARTED THE PROGRAM IN 2002 AND WE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WE WERE DOING AND NEITHER DID OUR COACH AND WE JUST KIND OF WENT OUT THERE AND STARTED PLAYING. 
          UM, SO EVEN THOUGH I'M ASSAULTING, I GOT A TON OF PRIDE THAT YOU GUYS ARE HOLDING IT DOWN FOR EL CAJON. 
          SO WELL DONE. 
          GUYS HAD A QUESTION HERE. 
          OH, NOW, SO WHEN IS LACROSSE SEASON? SPRING. 
          IT'S IN THE SPRING? YEAH, IT GOES FROM, UH, FEBRUARY TO, UH, MIDDLE. 
          OKAY, SO IT'S OVER NOW? IT'S OVER NOW. 
          YEAH. 
          ALL THE CLUB BALL AND EVERYTHING DOES. 
          AND WHAT FIELD DO YOU GUYS PLAY ON THE HOME? YOUR HOME FIELD WHERE? UH, GRANITE HILLS, UH, VALLEY STADIUM. 
          SO UP ON MADISON. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          CHECK OUT THE GAME. 
          I WILL  ANYBODY ELSE? THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR COMING EVERYBODY. 
          THANK CONGRATULATIONS. 
          SO WHILE THEY'RE LEAVING, I, UH, ACTUALLY OWE MR. GOBEL BREAKFAST BECAUSE WHEN HE TOLD ME THAT WE WERE GONNA BRING THEM, I SAID, THERE'S NO WAY ANY HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS ARE GONNA SHOW UP AT A CITY COUNCIL MEETING. 
          AND IF THEY DO, I'LL OWE YOU BREAKFAST. 
          SO, APPARENTLY, UH, THANKS GUYS. 
          APPRECIATE THAT. 
          I'M REALLY HUNGRY AND I'M GONNA TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THIS. 
          I AM ORDERING COMBOS 3, 4, 10, 12 AT 14. 
          WELL, THAT'S WONDERFUL. 
          I THINK THEY WON GRANITE HILLS, WON THE FOOTBALL CHAMPIONSHIP LAST YEAR. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND, AND THEY'RE IN THE CHAMPIONSHIP FOR D ONE BASEBALL RIGHT NOW, SO THEY'RE ADVANCING THERE. 
          SO, YEAH. 
          WOW. 
          RIGHT. 
          THEY'RE OPEN DIVISION BASEBALL. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, LET'S, FOR THE LAST, OH YEAH, WE'RE ON THE LAST ADMINISTRATIVE REPORT. 
          ITEM 11 
          [11. City Council Action Plan (2025) Update RECOMMENDATION: That the City Council receives the report and provides feedback.]
IS AN UPDATE ON THE CITY COUNCIL ACTION PLAN. 
          AND I'LL ASK OUR CITY MANAGER TO TELL US ALL ABOUT THIS. 
          THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. 
          MEMBERS, THE CITY COUNCIL. 
          UM, THE PURPOSE OF THIS AGENDA ITEM IS ONE, TO GIVE THE CITY COUNCIL KINDA A QUARTERLY UPDATE ON WHERE WE ARE WITH THE CITY COUNCIL ACTION PLAN, BUT REALLY TO, TO FOCUS ON A COUPLE AREAS THAT STAFF HAS SOME QUESTIONS. 
          SO THE STAFF REPORT INCLUDES A, A PRETTY IN-DEPTH BREAKDOWN OF EACH OF THE SIX PRIORITIES, ALONG WITH SEVERAL OF THE DIFFERENT INITIATIVES ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE PRIORITIES. 
          UM, AND I CAN, AT SOME LATER POINT, I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THOSE, BUT I REALLY WANTED TO FOCUS ON THESE FIVE GOALS OR TASKS. 
          THESE ARE, THESE ARE ONES THAT WE'VE MADE SOME PROGRESS ON AND HIT A POINT WHERE WE THINK WE NEED EITHER MORE, SOME ADDITIONAL CITY COUNCIL FEEDBACK OR MAYBE THERE'S SOME ISSUES THAT WE CAN DISCUSS IN A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL. 
          SO, UM, WITH THAT AS A REMINDER, UH, THE CITY COUNCIL IDENTIFIED SIX PRIORITIES. 
          AND FOR EACH OF THOSE PRIORITIES, THERE ARE DIFFERENT LEVELS OF INITIATIVES. 
          UH, FIVE INITIATIVES FOR THE BEAUTIFICATION GOAL, OUR PRIORITY TWO FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE FIVE RELATED TO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, FOUR FOR HOMELESSNESS, SIX FOR PUBLIC SAFETY, AND FIVE FOR MISCELLANEOUS. 
          AND STAFF IS ESTIMATED BASED ON ALL THOSE DIFFERENT INITIATIVES AND WHERE WE ARE WITH THOSE, THIS IS SORT OF THE PERCENTAGE OF COMPLETION ON EACH OF THESE. 
          IN, IN WHOLE. 
          THERE ARE SOME INITIATIVES THAT HAVE ZERO WORK, THERE'S BEEN ZERO PROGRESS MADE, OTHERS ARE FURTHER ALONG. 
          SO WHEN YOU AVERAGE IT ALL OUT, IT COMES OUT TO THIS, THIS NUMBER HERE. 
          UM, BEFORE I DIVE INTO THOSE FIVE KIND OF AREAS OF FOCUS, DOES THE COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTION, OTHER QUESTIONS, OR DO YOU WANNA SAY THAT TO THE END? I'LL LET LET THE COUNCIL DECIDE ON THAT. 
          KEEP GOING. 
          YEAH, PLEASE KEEP GOING. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UH, THE FIRST ONE IS THE VOLUNTEER PROGRAM. 
          AS YOU RECALL, 
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THE, THE IDEAS THAT WE HAVE, UH, TYPICALLY SENIORS WITH NEEDS, AND WE HAVE GROUPS OUT THERE THAT WANNA DO VOLUNTEERING. 
          UM, AS WE'VE STARTED EXPLORING THIS AND TALKING ABOUT WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE FROM THEORY TO ACTUAL PRACTICE AND IMPLEMENTATION, THERE'S SORT OF THREE CHALLENGES. 
          ONE IS THE CHALLENGE OF VETTING SOMEONE. 
          WE'RE WE'RE CONCERNED THAT THERE COULD BE A VOLUNTEER GROUP THAT, UM, ISN'T, UH, CAPABLE, ISN'T SKILLED, UH, HAS CHALLENGES, HAS A REGISTERED SEX OFFENDER. 
          I MEAN, THESE ARE THE, THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT GO THROUGH OUR HEAD. 
          THE OTHER IS VETTING THE NEEDS. 
          WE MAY HAVE SOMEBODY THAT DRIVES, UH, FOUR REALLY NICE VEHICLES AND OWNS A A MILLION DOLLAR HOME, BUT SAYS THEY NEED SOME HELP WITH LANDSCAPING. 
          IS, IS, AND MAYBE THEY ARE IN NEED, WE DON'T KNOW THAT. 
          BUT IT PUTS STAFF IN A POSITION OF NOT ONLY VETTING, BUT THEN HAVING SOME LIABILITY FOR THAT VETTING AS WELL, WHICH GIVES US SOME, SOME RAW REASON FOR, FOR SOME CONCERN. 
          THE OTHER IS THAT IN ORDER TO DO THE PROGRAM TO THE WAY WE BELIEVE THAT, THAT COUNCILS ASCRIBED IT DURING THE GOAL SETTING SESSION, WE PROBABLY NEED A STAFF COORDINATOR TO WORK ON THAT. 
          UH, IT'S NOT A FULL-TIME JOB, BUT IT'S AT LEAST A HALFTIME JOB IF, ESPECIALLY IF WE'RE VETTING VOLUNTEER GROUPS OR VETTING. 
          WE'RE GOING OUT THERE AND LOOKING AT THE NEEDS AND IDENTIFYING WHETHER THAT IS A NEED OR NOT, AND THEN DOING THE, THE MATCHING BETWEEN THE DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS AND DIFFERENT, UH, RESIDENTS. 
          THAT, THAT DOES INVOLVE SOME STAFFING. 
          AND WE'RE IN A BUDGET POSITION WHERE, UM, LOOKING AT REDUCING POSITIONS, NOT ADDING POSITIONS AT THIS TIME. 
          AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, WHENEVER THE CITY IS INVOLVED WITH EVEN MATCHMAKING, WE DO HAVE SOME EXPOSURE. 
          WHETHER WE HAVE REAL LIABILITY, THAT'S ONE THING, BUT WE CERTAINLY HAVE EXPOSURE. 
          SO THOSE ARE SORT OF THE THREE CHALLENGES OR CONCERNS. 
          WE THOUGHT THERE'S MAYBE TWO OPTIONS THE COUNCIL COULD GIVE, UM, SOME DIRECTION ON. 
          THE FIRST OPTION WOULD BE JUST TO DEFER THIS TO ANOTHER YEAR IN THE FUTURE. 
          UM, BUT THE OTHER WOULD BE, WE COULD MANAGE A RESOURCE PAGE WHERE, WHERE IF THERE IS A VOLUNTEER GROUP THAT WOULD LIKE TO REGISTER AS BEING ON THIS PAGE, WE CAN PUT YOUR, YOUR VOLUNTEER GROUP CONTACT INFORMATION ON IT. 
          THERE'D BE VERY LITTLE VETTING. 
          AND BECAUSE OF THAT, THERE'D BE A LOT OF, UH, LANGUAGE THAT THE CITY ATTORNEY WOULD DRAFT THAT WOULD GIVE US A LOT OF, UM, WE, WE WE'RE NOT ATTESTING TO THESE PEOPLE. 
          WE CAN'T CERTIFY WHETHER THESE PEOPLE ARE GOOD OR NOT. 
          UH, THEY MAY STEAL FROM YOU. 
          WE DON'T KNOW. 
          I MEAN, THESE ARE THE KIND OF THINGS THAT WE WOULD SAY IN A MORE LEGALISTIC WAY. 
          UM, AND THEN AS VOL AS INDIVIDUALS HAVE NEEDS, WE CAN POINT THEM TO THAT WEBSITE OR WE COULD POINT THEM TO A RESOURCE PAGE WHERE PEOPLE CAN ACTUALLY GO AND THEN THEY MAKE CONTACT WITH THOSE ORGANIZATIONS BY THEMSELVES. 
          SO WE'RE NOT DOING THE MATCHMAKING. 
          SO THOSE ARE SORT OF THE TWO OPTIONS THAT WE THOUGHT OF. 
          UM, AGAIN, WE CAN TALK ABOUT THESE MIDTERM OR WE CAN COME BACK AND TALK ABOUT THEM AT THE END AGAIN. 
          COUNSEL, WHAT WOULD YOU PREFER? YEAH, LET'S JUST KEEP GOING. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THE NEXT IS, UM, THE HOMELESS VIDEO PROGRAM. 
          UM, COUPLE THINGS. 
          ONE IS, AS YOU REMEMBER, UM, WE PRODUCED A VIDEO SEVERAL YEARS AGO WHERE WE WENT AROUND WITH OUR HOMELESS OUTREACH TEAM AND WE GAVE RESIDENTS A CHANCE TO REALLY SEE BEHIND THE SCENES OF, OF WHAT IT TAKES TO GET SOMEONE FROM OFF THE STREET INTO, UM, SOME SHELTER. 
          AND THE SORT OF, THE CHALLENGE WITH THAT, UH, ONE OF THE CONCEPTS THAT THE COUNCIL TALKED ABOUT WAS, WELL, LET'S, LET'S BUILD ON THAT AND LET'S TALK ABOUT SUCCESSES AND, AND FOCUS ON THE SUCCESSES THAT ARE OCCURRING IN THE CITY OF EL CAJON. 
          NOT SO MUCH THE THINGS THAT ARE NOT GOING WELL. 
          A A COUPLE THINGS. 
          ONE, WE ARE A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT THE TIMING OF THE POINT IN TIME COUNT. 
          AND I KNOW THIS IS A LONG-TERM GOAL. 
          THE POINT IN TIME COUNT JUST CAME OUT, UH, GIVEN NEW CYCLES, PEOPLE'S MEMORIES WILL FADE. 
          BUT I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED WITH NOT THE SUCCESS, BUT ONLY MORE WHAT ARE YOU DOING, NUMBER ONE. 
          UH, THE OTHER CONCERN THAT WE HAD IS WE MET WITH ALL OF THE, UM, CONSULTING OR ORGANIZATIONS THAT DO HOMELESS SERVICES IN THE CITY OF EL CAJON. 
          WE MET WITH THEM. 
          THEY EXPRESSED VERY LITTLE INTEREST IN CONTINUING TO PARTICIPATE IN PART BECAUSE I THINK, AGAIN, IN THEORY IT SOUNDS GOOD, BUT IN ORDER TO FOLLOW SOMEONE AROUND AND WATCH THEIR EXPERIENCE FROM ON THE STREET TO SUCCESS, YOU, YOU ALMOST HAVE TO FOLLOW AROUND A HUNDRED PEOPLE TO GET THREE OR FOUR SUCCESSES. 
          AND THAT'S A PRETTY EXPENSIVE ENDEAVOR. 
          AND SO, SO NONE OF OUR PARTNERS ARE, ARE, UH, HAVE THE CONFIDENCE TO SAY, HEY, WE'RE WORKING WITH THIS FAMILY X START FILMING THEM NOW BECAUSE THERE'S 
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NO GUARANTEE THAT BY THE TIME WE'RE READY TO WRAP UP, THEY WILL BE IN HOUSING OR THEY, THEY MAY BE SOMEWHERE ELSE WE DON'T KNOW. 
          AND SO THERE'S SOME RELUCTANCE TO GET OUR, UM, SERVICE PROVIDERS INVOLVED WITH THAT. 
          AND TWO, IT'S PRETTY COSTLY TO DO THIS PROJECT. 
          SO, UM, SO A COUPLE OPTIONS, UH, BACK TO OPTIONS. 
          ONE IS WE COULD REFOCUS THE THEME AND REALLY, UH, UM, IF THERE'S A DIFFERENT FOCUS THAT YOU WANNA WORK ON, WE COULD DO THAT. 
          OR TWO, WE COULD REPROMOTE OR REPACKAGE THE EXISTING VIDEO THAT WE ALREADY HAVE THAT KIND OF GETS BEHIND THE SCENES AND EXPLAINS SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE ARE DOING AND, AND THE DIFFICULTY OF WHAT IT TAKES TO GET THAT DONE. 
          AND THAT COULD INVOLVE SOME ADDITIONAL FOOTAGE JUST TO SORT OF TEE THAT UP AND EXPLAIN THAT IN SOME CONTEXT. 
          BUT THOSE ARE TWO OF THE OPTIONS, UH, RELATED TO THE HOMELESS PROGRAM VIDEO. 
          UM, MOVING ON, THE, THERE IS A, IN AN INTEREST TO EXPLORE, ANALYZE WHAT IT WOULD COST TO INCREASE THE QUALITY OF LIFE TEAM COVERAGE. 
          AND REMEMBER, THIS IS THE TEAM THAT GOES OUT, DOES OUR HOMELESS OUTREACH. 
          IT DOES HELPING PEOPLE GET OFF THE STREETS. 
          IT FOCUSES ON ENFORCEMENT AND CLEANING UP ENCAMPMENTS. 
          AND ONE OF THE CONCERNS IS THAT WE HAVE A REGULAR SET, UH, SCHEDULE OF WHEN WE DO THESE, UH, WE TYPICALLY DON'T DO THEM ON WEEKENDS. 
          WE CLEARLY DON'T DO THEM ON HOLIDAYS GIVEN OUR CURRENT STAFFING LEVELS. 
          AND SO THE OP, THE IDEA WAS, WELL, WHAT CAN WE EXPAND THAT? AND SO WE SAID, OKAY, IF WE WERE TO DOUBLE THE TEAM WE HAVE RIGHT NOW, THAT WOULD INVOLVE HIRING A SERGEANT, SIX OFFICERS, FOUR PUBLIC WORKS EMPLOYEES, AND ONE PARKS AND REC EMPLOYEE. 
          THAT'S ENDS UP BEING 12 STAFF MEMBERS. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S A $1.5 MILLION TICKET IN ORDER TO DO THAT. 
          THE OTHER OPTION IS THAT WE JUST, UH, PAY OVERTIME WITH OUR EXISTING STAFF AND DO RANDOM HOLIDAYS, WEEKENDS, CHANGE THE DAYS UP PERIODICALLY, DO SORT OF WHAT WE DID BEFORE, WE DO AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME OR, OR SORT OF ALL HANDS ON DECK A BLITZ OF THE CITY AND FOCUS ON THAT. 
          UM, AND THAT OVERTIME WOULD BE A LOT LESS EXPENSIVE. 
          BUT IT'S ABOUT, JUST SO YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S EXTREMELY TIME INTENSIVE TO DO A 10 HOUR EVENT. 
          UM, IT'S ABOUT $20,000 IN OVERTIME TO DO ADDITIONAL EVENTS. 
          SO IF YOU WERE TO DO TWO EVENTS PER MONTH, SO 24 EVENTS, THAT ALMOST EQUALS HALF A MILLION DOLLARS IN ORDER TO, TO 24 ADDITIONAL EVENTS IN THE, IN THE YEAR. 
          SO, UM, THOSE ARE KIND OF THE TWO DIFFERENT OPTIONS. 
          UH, LET ME, LET ME, LET ME JUST TALK TOUCH BASE ON THE POINT TIME COUNT REALLY FAST SINCE WE'RE HERE. 
          'CAUSE IT COMES TO ANOTHER RECOMMENDATION THAT WE HAVE. 
          UH, AS YOU KNOW, COUNSEL, I SENT YOU AN EMAIL WITH SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT, THAT I SHARED WITH THE REGIONAL TASK FORCE ON HOMELESSNESS ABOUT THE COUNT. 
          THIS SHOWS A MAP THAT SHOWS OUR CITY BOUNDARIES. 
          I, I'M GONNA BLOW UP ON OR, OR ZOOM IN ON AN AREA SO YOU CAN SEE IT BETTER. 
          BUT THIS SHOWS OUR CITY BOUNDARIES AND ALSO THE DIFFERENT CENSUS TRACKS. 
          I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF FOLKS, INCLUDING THE REGIONAL TASK FORCE ON HOMELESSNESS THAT ASSUMED THAT CENSUS TRACKS COINCIDE WITH CITY BOUNDARIES. 
          BUT THAT'S NOT THE CASE. 
          WE COULD TELL BY PULLING UP THIS MAP THAT THERE ARE SEVERAL, THERE'S AT LEAST TWO CENSUS TRACKS THAT ARE COMPLETELY OUTSIDE OF THE CITY LIMITS. 
          UH, YOU CAN SEE THAT 1 65 0.0 THREES COMPLETELY OUTSIDE. 
          AND THEN, UH, ONE THAT WAS IN RANCHO SAN DIEGO THAT'S REALLY FAR OUTSIDE THE CITY LIMITS WAS COUNTED IN OUR ULTIMATE COUNT. 
          UM, WE ALSO CAN SEE THAT THERE ARE OTHER AREAS, UM, ALONG THE NORTHERN BOUNDARY OF THE CITY WHERE THERE ARE LARGE SECTIONS OF THAT, OF THAT CENSUS TRACT THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF THE CITY LIMITS. 
          LOOKING AT LIKE 1 65 0.02 THAT INCLUDES GREENFIELD, BUT ALSO INCLUDES BROADWAY. 
          SO WE'RE ASSUMING THERE'S PROBABLY SOME ENCAMPMENTS FOUND OR HOMELESS INDIVIDUALS COUNTED ON BROADWAY, GREENFIELD, UH, ON NORTH FIRST STREET. 
          AND SO, UM, WE ASSUME THAT SOME OF THOSE AREN'T OUR, SO WHAT I'M GETTING TO, OH, LET ME GET TO THIS AS WELL. 
          UM, MS. DIAZ, UH, ANOTHER IT EMPLOYEE, MR. UH, KEMP AND I PARTICIPATED IN THE COUNT AND WE ACTUALLY COUNTED THE AREA THAT I'VE HIGHLIGHTED WITH, WITH THE 73 QUESTION MARK. 
          I KNOW IN MY COUNT WE DID NOT ENCOUNTER 73 HOMELESS INDIVIDUALS BETWEEN I EIGHT AND MADISON AVENUE. 
          AND THAT, THAT SMALL STRETCH OF SPACE, UH, WE KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF HOMELESS INDIVIDUALS IN THAT AREA, BUT 73 IN ONE MORNING, UH, WE, WE KIND OF DOUBT THAT NUMBER. 
          UH, THE REGIONAL TASK FORCE ON HOMELESSNESS SAID THAT THEY WILL ALLOW STAFF TO DIG INTO THE NUMBERS, WILL ALLOW US TO LOOK AT WHO REPORTED AT WHAT TIME AND THAT LO LOCATION. 
          SO WE WILL DIG INTO THAT MORE. 
          BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE THINK THAT, UM, THE ARGUMENT THAT WE WOULD MAKE IS OUR COUNT IS PROBABLY CLOSER TO 243, NOT 344. 
          UM, AS, AS THEY'VE REPORTED, WE'LL CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THEM AND, UH, 
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HOPEFULLY, WE'LL, WE'LL SEE SOME ADJUSTMENTS. 
          I THINK IT WOULD BE HARD FOR THEM TO NOT ADJUST AT LEAST THE ONES THAT ARE COMPLETELY OUTSIDE THE CITY LIMIT. 
          SO WE, WE HOPE TO SEE SOME MOVEMENT THERE. 
          AND THEY'VE BEEN VERY COOPERATIVE WITH STAFF THUS FAR. 
          THE REASON I BRING THIS UP IS, I, I QUESTION ONE THE VALIDITY OF THE POINT IN TIME COUNT. 
          THERE'S SO MANY FACTORS THAT GO INTO THAT THAT CAN CHANGE THAT NUMBER ANY GIVEN TIME. 
          THE WEATHER CHANGES THAT NUMBER, THE NUMBER OF VOLUNTEERS THAT SHOW UP THAT MORNING CHANGES THE NUMBER, THE TYPES OF VOLUNTEERS THAT SHOW UP THAT MORNING CHANGE THAT NUMBER. 
          AND SO, AND FRANKLY, THE QUESTIONS THAT ARE ASKED HAVE VERY LITTLE, DO VERY LITTLE TO HELP INFORM CITY POLICYMAKERS OR POLICY RECOMMENDERS. 
          AND THEN POLICYMAKERS KNOW WHICH PROGRAMS ARE WORKING AND WHICH ARE NOT WORKING. 
          IT GIVES US NO INDICATION OF WHERE HOMELESS INDIVIDUALS CAME FROM BEFORE THEY'RE, BEFORE THEY BECAME HOMELESS HERE. 
          IT GIVES US NO INDICATION OF HOW THEY GOT HERE, WHO BROUGHT THEM HERE, WERE THEY, DID THEY, WERE THEY AT E-C-T-L-C FOR A COUPLE DAYS OR NOT, RIGHT? THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT WOULD HELP STAFF MAKE BETTER RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE CITY COUNCIL. 
          BUT THE QUESTIONS THAT ARE POSED GIVE YOU ZERO, UM, INSIGHT INTO BETTER POLICIES. 
          SO WITH THAT, STAFF WOULD ACTUALLY RECOMMEND, AND WE'RE LOOKING FOR SOME FEEDBACK THAT WE CONDUCT OUR OWN POINT IN TIME COUNT ON A QUARTERLY BASIS. 
          WE CAN SHIFT THAT A LITTLE BIT. 
          SO IF IT'S HAPPENS TO BE RAINING ON THE POINT IN TIME COUNT CONDUCTED BY THE REGIONAL TASK FORCE, THE POINT IN TIME COUNT HAPPENS RAIN OR SHINE, WE WOULD PROBABLY DELAY THAT BY A WEEK AND LET THINGS SETTLE. 
          SO WE'RE MEASURING MORE APPLES TO APPLES RATHER THAN APPLES, ORANGES, AND BANANAS. 
          AND SO, UM, WE COULD ALSO ASK THE QUESTIONS THAT WE WANNA ASK AND WE CAN ENSURE THAT THERE'S SOME QUALITY CONTROL OVER WHO IS CONDUCTING THE SURVEY. 
          AND WE WOULD RELY ON CITY STAFF TO DO THAT. 
          I KNOW SOMEONE WOULD PROBABLY SAY, WELL, YOU HAVE A VESTED INTEREST TO KEEP THE COUNT LOW. 
          WE ACTUALLY HAVE A VESTED INTEREST IN GET THE COUNT RIGHT, NUMBER ONE AND TWO TO ASK THE RIGHT QUESTIONS TO HELP US KNOW WHAT POLICIES TO RECOMMEND TO THE CITY COUNCIL. 
          UM, THE, THE SECOND IS WE THINK THAT THERE IS SOME NEED TO INCREASE THE QUALITY OF LIFE TEAM. 
          UH, WE WOULD NOT RECOMMEND USING THE, THE HIRING OF NEW STAFF, BUT REALLY USING OVERTIME TO FILL THAT, DEPENDING ON WHERE WE'RE AT WITH THE BUDGET. 
          UM, WE WOULD ALSO RECOMMEND THAT WE REEVALUATE THE OVERALL EFFECTIVENESS OF ALL OF OUR SERVICE PROVIDERS. 
          IT HAS BEEN A WHILE SINCE WE'VE DONE FULL REQUESTS FOR PROPOSALS ON ALL OF OUR PROVIDERS. 
          AND I THINK WE'RE AT A POINT WHERE IT'S TIME TO RESET THE TABLE AND LOOK AT THAT. 
          I THINK IT'S, UM, WE HAVE BEEN GIVING CDBG MONEY TO SOME OF THE SAME GROUPS YEAR AFTER YEAR BECAUSE THEY'RE DOING MAYBE AN OKAY JOB, BUT I THINK MAYBE IT'S TIME TO REEVALUATE SOME OF THAT, THOSE FUNDING PRIORITIES. 
          AND THEN THE OTHER OPTION TO CONSIDER, UH, AND I'M NOT RECOMMENDING THIS AT THIS TIME, BUT YOU COULD CONSIDER, UH, JUST A LOT OF MONEY FOR A ONE ONE YEAR PUSH AND JUST SEE WHAT CAN GET DONE IN A ONE YEAR PERIOD OF TIME. 
          PROBABLY TALKING A MILLION TO $1.5 MILLION IN FUNDING FROM THE GENERAL RESERVES JUST TO JUST FULL COURT PRESS. 
          UM, SO THAT'S, THOSE ARE A COUPLE OPTIONS TO CONSIDER IN MOVING FORWARD. 
          UM, SO THE LAST ONE IS THE CITIZENS ACADEMY. 
          THAT WAS A MISCELLANEOUS GOAL THAT I MISSED A COUPLE, SORRY. 
          UH, THE NEXT IS PROP 36, UM, COUNCIL, UH, THE, THE CITY COUNCIL ACTION PLAN SAYS THAT WE WILL PRESENT A FINAL REPORT KIND OF AT THE END OF THE YEAR AFTER WE'VE HAD AN IN FOR A FULL YEAR. 
          BUT I, I'M HAPPY TO REPORT SOME, SOME PROGRESS THIS YEAR ALONE, 113 ARRESTS WITH IN, WITH BOOKINGS. 
          UH, THESE ARE FOLKS THAT WE, WE WERE PERHAPS ARRESTING BUT WITH A CITATION, BUT WE'RE ACTUALLY BOOKING INDIVIDUALS NOW. 
          UH, 99 OF THOSE ARE DRUG RELATED, 10 OR THEFT RELATED, UH, TYPICALLY SHOPLIFTING AND FOUR WERE A COMBINATION OF THOSE. 
          ABOUT 70% OF THOSE THAT, UM, WERE ARRESTED UNDER THIS PROP 36 IS ARE RELATED TO TRANSIENT POPULATION. 
          SO THAT'S THE CONNECTION. 
          AND WE THINK THAT, UM, WE WILL SEE A REDUCTION IN OUR HOMELESS POPULATION AS PEOPLE JUST GET ARRESTED FOR VIOLATING THE LAW. 
          SO, UM, THERE IS SOME GREAT RESOURCES FROM THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT THAT ACTUALLY SHOWS EVERY CITY AND PROP 36 ARRESTS AND BOOKING. 
          SO ENCOURAGE YOU TO LOOK AT THAT. 
          UM, BUT IN THE MEANTIME, WE WILL CONTINUE TO TRACK THIS AND SEE WHAT KIND OF IMPACT PROP 30, THE PASSAGE OF PROP 36 HAS ON NOT ONLY CRIME IN OUR CITY, BUT ALSO ON OUR HOMELESS POPULATION. 
          UM, THE LAST, UNDER MISCELLANEOUS WAS THE CITIZEN. 
          THE, THE CONCEPT OF CREATING A CITIZENS ACADEMY, KIND OF TO MERE 
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WHAT THE POLICE, UH, THE CITIZENS POLICE ACADEMY DOES, UH, GIVE OUR RESIDENTS A, A BROADER EXPOSURE TO WHAT THE CITIES DO. 
          UH, AGAIN, GIVEN BUDGET CONSTRAINTS, STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE SUSPEND THIS PROJECT AT LEAST FOR A YEAR OR, OR LONGER DEPENDING ON WHERE WE'RE AT BUDGET WISE. 
          SO, WITH THAT, STAFF'S HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE ABOUT ANY OF THE COUNCIL ACTION PLANS. 
          I MAY CALL STAFF UP TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS IF I DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER. 
          UM, ALSO TAKE ANY OF YOUR COMMENTS AND THEN FEEDBACK SPECIFICALLY ON THOSE FIVE AREAS THAT WE WERE LOOKING FOR. 
          SO WITH THAT, I'LL TURN THE TIME OVER TO THE COUNCIL. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          UM, BEFORE WE ASK QUESTIONS, LEMME SEE IF THERE'S ANY, UH, SPEAKER CARDS ON THIS ITEM. 
          NO SPEAKER CARDS, SIR. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, WHO DO I A START? I APOLOGIZE. 
          WE JUST RECEIVED ONE FROM, UH, BRENDA HAMMOND. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          BRENDA, COME ON. 
          HI. 
          I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW THAT COUNT IS OFF, AND I CAN TELL YOU WHY THE COUNTY WANTS TO UP THESE NUMBERS NO MATTER WHAT CITY IT'S IN, SO THAT THEY CAN HAVE THE MONEY GRAB FOR THE COUNTY, NOT FOR EACH CITY. 
          AND I KNOW THAT FROM MY OWN EXPERIENCE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THAT'S IT. 
          OKAY. 
          COUNCILS FOR OPEN FOR DISCUSSION. 
          UH, I, WELL START WITH GARY AND MOVE ON. 
          MOVE ON. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, BILL, DO YOU WANNA START? MAYBE WE COULD, UH, SO WE DON'T FORGET ANYTHING. 
          START FROM THE BEGINNING AND WE COULD JUST MAKE COMMENTS. 
          THAT'S FINE. 
          YEAH. 
          AND, UH, DID YOU WANNA GO HERE? DID YOU WANNA GO DOWN EACH OF THOSE FIVE GOALS INDIVIDUALLY? OH, WHY DON'T, WHY DON'T WE DO IT THIS WAY? GRANT, LET'S, LET'S, LET'S START WITH THE VOLUNTEER PROGRAM. 
          UM, HOW DOES EVERYBODY FEEL ABOUT THAT? MICHELLE, GO AHEAD. 
          I SAY DEFER IT. 
          THAT WAS MY IDEA, AND I HAVE NO PROBLEM. 
          LET'S SEE MY NOTES HERE. 
          UM, I SEE DEFER, DEFER IT TO ANOTHER YEAR. 
          WE NEED TO GET THROUGH THIS ECONOMIC SITUATION RIGHT NOW. 
          AND, UM, IF IT DOESN'T GET DONE UNTIL MAYBE TWO, THREE YEARS DOWN THE ROAD OR EVER, THAT'S FINE. 
          IT WAS JUST AN IDEA. 
          I APPRECIATE THE WORK, UM, TO LOOK INTO IT, BUT I HAVE NO PROBLEM IN DEFERRING IT OR ELIMINATING IT COMPLETELY. 
          ANYBODY ELSE? I AGREE WITH MICHELLE ON THAT. 
          THIS IS, THAT'S KIND OF THE ICING ON THE CAKE AND WE JUST NEED THE CAKE RIGHT NOW IS A BUDGET. 
          THE ONLY THING I WOULD SAY IS THAT, UM, HAVING A WEBSITE THAT GIVES, GIVES ORGANIZATIONS THAT WANNA VOLUNTEER, UH, A PLACE TO PUT UP THEIR INFORMATION. 
          I I, I DON'T SEE ANY, UH, ECONOMIC HARDSHIP ON THAT. 
          IS THERE. 
          THAT WOULD BE PRETTY EASY TO IMPLEMENT ACTUALLY. 
          YEAH, I'M OKAY WITH THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          IF THERE'S ORGANIZATIONS OUT THERE THAT WE KNOW OF THAT WOULD LIKE TO DO THAT, MAYBE LET'S HAVE THAT DRIVE THE PROJECT AS THE ORGANIZATION REACHES OUT TO THE CITY OR TO MICHELLE, YOU KNOW, AND, AND THEN THEY SAY, HEY, WE'LL PUT YOU UP IF YOU, IF YOU'RE WILLING TO VOLUNTEER. 
          RIGHT? JUST SERVE AS ONE ORGANIZATION THAT HAS LOTS OF VOLUNTEERS AND, AND ARE ALWAYS LOOKING FOR, UM, PROJECTS TO DO. 
          AND I'M SURE THAT THERE ARE OTHER CIVIC ORGANIZATIONS OUT THERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO DO THAT. 
          SO IT IS JUST A MATTER OF GETTING THE WORD OUT. 
          HEY, IF YOU HAVE VOLUNTEERS AND YOU WANNA JUST PUT YOUR INFO OUT THERE, UH, WE'LL PUT IT ON A WEBSITE FOR YOU AND JUST PROMOTE YOUR ORGANIZATION. 
          UM, BUT I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO GO ANY FURTHER THAN THAT RIGHT NOW. 
          I APPRECIATE IT THOUGH. 
          ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THAT? MY COMMENT ON THAT ONE IS, UH, IF YOU DO START PROMOTING OTHER ORGANIZATIONS, UH, YOU NEED TO ASK THE QUESTION, DO WE HAVE ANY LIABILITY? 'CAUSE WE DON'T GET TO VET THE PEOPLE THAT WOULD GO TO SOMEBODY'S HOUSE. 
          WHAT ARE THE CRITERIA FOR BEING LISTED? I'M JUST TRYING TO PROTECT THE CITY IN THAT SENSE. 
          UH, THE SECOND ONE, PROMOTIONAL HOMELESS SUCCESS STORIES. 
          UM, IS THAT ALSO LINKED TO THE, UH, TO THE IDEA OF, UH, NOT MAKING ANOTHER VIDEO? YEAH, THAT'S THE OPTION. 
          SO WE CAN EITHER REDIRECT THE FOCUS OF, OR ACTUALLY THERE'S THREE OPTIONS. 
          ONE, MOVE FORWARD, RIGHT? FOCUS ON SUCCESS STORIES. 
          UM, ALTHOUGH FINDING, I THINK THE IDEA THAT WAS THE COUNCIL EXPRESS IS KIND OF WATCHING SOMEONE THROUGH THE P THE PROCESS OF GETTING FROM OFF THE STREET INTO A SHELTER AND INTO A PERMANENT HOUSE WAS THE IDEA. 
          I DON'T THINK THAT'S FEASIBLE, BUT ONE, WE 
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COULD DO A VIDEO JUST PROMOTING OUR SUCCESS THAT WE'VE HAD. 
          UH, THE OTHER COULD BE A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THEME, OR THE THIRD COULD BE TAKING OUR EXISTING VIDEO. 
          AND WE REALLY REMOTING THAT. 
          I MEAN, MR. BERG MENTIONED TO ME THAT EV EVEN AS OF THIS WEEKEND, THERE WERE VIEWS ON OUR YOUTUBE CHANNEL OF THAT VIDEO WITH A NEW COMMENT. 
          SO WE KNOW IT'S GETTING PLAY RIGHT NOW. 
          IT WOULD REALLY BE JUST PROMOTING WHAT THAT PLAY IS. 
          AND I THINK, UH, WITH THE RIGHT MESSAGING, I THINK IT COULD BE, IT'S STILL PRETTY TIMELESS, I SHOULD SAY. 
          UH, GO AHEAD, MICHELLE. 
          WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY IS I LIKE THAT IDEA OF RE YOU KNOW, REMOTING, UH, THE VIDEO. 
          UM, I THINK THAT IT'S GREAT FOR US TO SAY THESE ARE OUR SUCCESSES, BUT UNTIL WE GET THIS POINT IN TIME, COUNT NUMBERS, UM, YOU KNOW, GET THE REAL NUMBERS AND MAYBE COME UP WITH SOME BETTER, UH, SOLUTIONS. 
          WE DON'T REALLY HA WE, IT'D BE DIFFICULT FOR ME OR IT'D BE, TO ME, WOULD BE SOMEWHAT DISINGENUOUS TO SAY, LOOK AT AL GREAT WE'RE DOING, WHEN OUR NUMBERS INITIALLY RIGHT NOW IS THAT WE'RE 21% MORE. 
          SO I WOULD LIKE TO SAY, OKAY, LET'S CLEAN UP OUR ACT AND CLEAN UP THE NUMBERS AND CLEAN UP WHAT WE GOTTA DO FIRST. 
          STILL CONTINUE TO PROMOTE THE VIDEO. 
          BUT, UH, AS FAR AS GETTING ANY SUCCESS STORIES, WE, WE CAN'T DO THAT. 
          WE CAN'T REALLY DO THAT BECAUSE WE STILL HAVE A VERY BIG HOMELESS PROBLEM. 
          AND WHETHER OUR NUMBERS WENT UP 21% OR THEY'VE STAYED THE SAME YEAR AFTER YEAR, WE STILL HAVE QUITE A BIT OF WORK TO DO. 
          SO I'D LIKE TO PROMOTE THE VIDEO, MAYBE REIMAGINE IT A LITTLE BIT OR ADD TO IT. 
          BUT, UM, I DON'T THINK THAT WE CAN TOUT SUCCESS RIGHT NOW. 
          UM, I LIKE THE IDEA OF TAKING THE WHOLE OF THAT CONTENT THAT WE HAVE THAT VIDEO CONTENT AND REPURPOSING IT. 
          MAYBE SPLICE IT UP IN 32ND A MINUTE VIDEOS, PUSHING THAT OUT TO, TO OUR WEBSITE, TO SOCIAL MEDIA. 
          UM, I THINK YOU CAN, WITH VIDEO, YOU CAN SPLICE IT HERE AND THERE. 
          I KNOW IT MIGHT TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF EDITING, BUT WE HAVE THE WHOLE OF THE CONTENT AND YOU CAN REPURPOSE IT IN DIFFERENT WAYS. 
          SO I LIKE THAT IDEA. 
          UM, I THINK IT'S ALWAYS IMPORTANT TO BE DISPLAYING TO THE PUBLIC WHAT WE'RE DOING AND HOW WE'RE DOING IT. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, THE NUMBERS ARE WHAT THEY ARE. 
          UM, EVERY, ANYBODY THAT'S BEEN A PART OF THE POINT IN TIME COUNT KNOWS IT'S SUCH A, IT'S SO RANDOMIZED. 
          LIKE IT'S BE OFF ALL THE TIME. 
          BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT, EVEN IF THE NUMBERS GOING UP AND DOWN, WE'RE STAYING CONSISTENT IN WHAT WE'RE DOING IN SHOWING THAT WE DO HAVE SUCCESSES. 
          UM, AND WE ARE ADDRESSING THIS, THIS IS THE LARGEST ISSUE WITHIN THE CITY. 
          UM, AND UH, SHOWING THAT IT'S A VOLUME OF PEOPLE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS, HOMELESS PEOPLE. 
          IT'S A VOLUME ISSUE. 
          IT'S THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE, UM, THAT ARE ON THE STREETS. 
          IT'S NOT THE SOLUTIONS THAT WE HAVE, THE SOLUTIONS THAT WE HAVE AND THE BLUEPRINT THAT WE HAVE FOR SOME OF THE POPULATION WORKS, IT'S EFFECTIVE. 
          BUT THE SHEER NUMBER OF THEM IS WHERE, UM, WE'RE HAVING THE ISSUE. 
          SO IT'S IMPORTANT TO, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO DO THAT. 
          AND MAYBE, YOU KNOW, UH, STAFF'S IDEA OF RE-LOOKING AT ALL OF THE ORGANIZATIONS WE SUPPORT. 
          MAYBE WE HAVE THEM DO SOME KIND OF, UH, THROUGH THEIR PROPOSAL. 
          WHAT ARE YOUR SUCCESS STORIES? WHAT ARE YOUR NUMBERS? YOU SHOW US, GIVE US SOME PEOPLE, UH, UM, THAT YOU HAVE REHABILITATED AND BROUGHT INTO PERMANENT HOUSING. 
          YOU HAVE TO SHOW US THEIR SUCCESS STORIES AND GO FROM START TO FINISH SO YOU CAN TELL THE STORY. 
          AND THEN THOSE CAN BE USED, UM, BY EVERYBODY TO SHOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING. 
          'CAUSE WE HEAR GOOD STORIES, BUT WE DON'T HEAR ALL OF THEM. 
          AND SO THAT MIGHT BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR, UM, THOSE ORGANIZATIONS TO PROMOTE EXACTLY WHAT THEY DO AND HOW THEY DO IT. 
          AND THEN THE PEOPLE WHO THEY'VE HELPED GIVEN THAT TESTIMONY. 
          SO ALL IN ALL, I THINK, UM, NOT CREATING A NEW ONE, IT'S A LOT OF TIME AND MONEY, UM, BUT MAYBE REPURPOSING WHAT WE'VE ALREADY DONE. 
          AND EVEN SOME OF THE, UM, ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THE ONE WITH CHIEF MOTEN? IS THAT THE VIDEO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT? OR ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THE OTHER ONE? UH, THE ONE THAT WE WERE FOLLOWING AROUND OUR, OUR SEU TEAM. 
          I CAN'T REMEMBER IF CHIEF MOULTON WAS, THIS WAS THE, THE ONE WITH CHIEF MOULTON WAS IN THE LIVING ROOM. 
          YEAH, THAT WAS DIFFERENT. 
          THAT WAS A DIFFERENT ONE. 
          THAT WAS, THAT WAS MR. DIMAGGIO. 
          AND YEAH, MAYBE WE SPLIT THOSE, YOU KNOW, WE REPURPOSED THAT ONE AS WELL WITH SOME SHORTER VIDEOS THAT ARE MORE MANAGEABLE FOR PEOPLE TO, TO WATCH. 
          'CAUSE WE HAVE SUCH SHORT ATTENTION SPANS NOW. 
          UM, ANYWAYS, 
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THE, UH, I, I GUESS AT THIS POINT WITH THE BUDGET, I'M A FAN OF FINDING GRANTS AND OUTSOURCING STUFF TO TRY NOT TO ADD MORE LAYERS ONTO STAFF. 
          I THINK THE REGIONAL TASK FORCE ON HOMELESSNESS COULD BE A SOURCE OF A GRANT. 
          I THINK THEY OWE US WHERE THE SECOND LARGEST CITY IN THE COUNTY WITH HOMELESSNESS. 
          AND I'M NOT SEEING A LOT OF GRANT MONEY COMING OUR WAY TO TELL YOU THE TRUTH. 
          UH, I, I THINK THEY COULD TELL THE AMICA STORY 78% SUCCESS RATE. 
          WE KNOW WHERE THOSE WOMEN AND CHILDREN ARE EVERY NIGHT FOR MONTHS. 
          WE KNOW WHERE THEY CAME FROM, WE KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING. 
          AND IN MANY CASES I HEAR WHERE THEY WENT. 
          SO, UH, THAT'S A GREAT SUCCESS STORY OF SOMEBODY EASY TO FIND. 
          I WOULD HOPE THAT THE REGIONAL TASK FORCE WOULD PROVIDE FUNDS FOR THAT AND WE COULD OUTSOURCE THAT TO A THIRD PARTY. 
          UH, THE POINT IN TIME COUNT. 
          HERE'S, HERE'S THE, HERE'S THE RUB IT, WHEN YOU HAVE VOLUNTEERS GO OUT, INHERENTLY EACH GROUP HAS ITS OWN INCENTIVE. 
          OUR INCENTIVE IS TO KEEP NUMBERS LOW. 
          A PROVIDER'S INCENTIVE MIGHT BE TO SHOW US HIGH NUMBERS AS YOU CAN BECAUSE YOU GET MORE DOLLARS FOR MORE PEOPLE THAT YOU SERVE. 
          DO WE KNOW WHEN GROUPS GO OUT IF THEY ARE ALL ONE KIND OF A GROUP OR ALL ANOTHER? OR ARE THEY MIXED? WE, WE DO KNOW THAT. 
          AND AND THAT'S ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE VALUES OF IT, THAT APP IS WE CAN ACTUALLY SEE, ESPECIALLY IN THAT AREA, THAT HIGH CONCENTRATION. 
          THAT'S WHERE I'M GONNA BE LOOKING AT SPECIFICALLY IS WHICH VOLUNTEER WAS HITTING THE BUTTON OVER AND OVER AGAIN AND OR WAS IT THE SAME VOLUNTEER DOING THAT? AND THEN YOU HAVE TO QUESTION THAT, WHO IS THAT VOLUNTEER? AND DID THEY HAVE A VESTED INTEREST TO HAVE A DIFFERENT NUMBER THAN REALITY? EXACTLY. 
          I DON'T EXPECT THE REGIONAL TASK FORCE TO MODIFY THE NUMBERS OTHER THAN THOSE THAT ARE ABSOLUTELY OUTSIDE THE CITY, BECAUSE OTHERWISE THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO START DOING IT FOR ANY OTHER CITY THAT DISPUTES IT. 
          BUT FRANKLY, NOBODY ELSE HAD AN INCREASE LIKE WE DID. 
          I DON'T THINK SO. 
          THAT'S MY, MY CHALLENGE ON THE POINT IN TIME COUNT, UH, IS WHO'S DOING IT FOR WHAT INCENTIVE? UH, I'D CONSIDER USING THE SUCCESS STORIES OUT OF AMICUS RATHER THAN TRYING TO CHASE DOWN SOMEBODY WHO MIGHT BE MORE MOBILE INSIDE THE CITY. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, REGARDING THE POINT AND TIME COUNT, I THINK THAT'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR CITY EMPLOYEES, UH, WHO WE HAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF CONTROL OVER TO GIVE US ACCURATE INFORMATION. 
          I THINK IT'S WORTH A MILLION DOLLARS OR SO TO DO IT ON A QUARTERLY BASIS BECAUSE IF I CAN'T MEASURE IT, I CAN'T MANAGE IT. 
          MR. KENDRICK JUST, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD NOT COST US A MILLION DOLLARS TO THE, THE POINT IN TIME. 
          WE, WE THINK THAT WE CAN DO THAT PRETTY, UH, INEXPENSIVE WITH OUR OWN EXISTING STAFF. 
          WE CAN DEVELOP OUR OWN APP, WHICH IS PRETTY INEXPENSIVE. 
          OKAY. 
          THE MILLION DOLLARS WOULD BE MORE OF LIKE, IF WE WERE TO BRING ON A LOT OF OTHER SERVICE PROVIDERS FOR CLEANUP OTHER, UH, A LOT OF OVER TIME DOING A LOT OF PUSH, MAYBE EVEN PROVIDING MORE PROGRAMS THAN WE CURRENTLY DO FOR LIKE A ONE YEAR PERIOD. 
          SO THAT WOULD BE THE MILLION DOLLAR PART. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          SO, AND THEN WE CAN ASK, UH, THE HOMELESS PEOPLE, LIKE, HOW DID YOU GET HERE? WERE YOU PART OF THE COUNTY VOUCHER PROGRAM? AND WHEN THE MONEY RAN OUT, YOU JUST WENT OUT ONTO THE STREET. 
          I MEAN, THOSE ARE ALL, YOU KNOW, DID YOU, THINGS WE NEED TO KNOW, LIKE WHAT CAUSED YOU TO CHOOSE EL CAJON? AND UH, SO I THINK HAVING QUALITY INFORMATION IS THE ONLY WAY WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE APPROPRIATELY. 
          CAN I ASK A SHOW OF HANDS TO EVERYBODY WHO THINKS, UH, DOING OUR OWN POINT IN TIME COUNTY AT SOME INTERVAL, EITHER FOUR TIMES A YEAR OR LESS IS A VALUABLE THING WORTH WE'RE SPENDING MONEY ON? IIII THINK IT IS, IS ANYBODY, YEAH, I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION. 
          IS IS THE PURPOSE TO GET BETTER QUALITY INFORMATION OR TO BET, GET A BETTER COUNT? BECAUSE THE PUBLIC PERCEPTION WOULD BE, WELL OF COURSE YOU GUYS CAME UP WITH A HUNDRED LOWER THAN THE OFFICIAL COUNT. 
          THAT'S YOUR, YOU'RE GONNA, OF COURSE, IF WE'RE TRYING TO PROVE TO THE WORLD WE DON'T HAVE AS MANY THAT WE DO IT, IT'S, IT'S NOT A GREAT EXERCISE. 
          YEAH, I GET IT. 
          IF IT'S TO GET BETTER INFORMATION FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT AND PUBLIC WORKS AND ALL THE THINGS THAT WE DO HERE, THAT'S A GOOD WELL I WOULD I WOULD I NEED TO OH, GO AHEAD. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          SORRY. 
          I WOULD ALSO ADD, ONCE WE GET THAT INFORMATION, WHAT ARE WE THEN GONNA DO WITH THAT INFORMATION? AND IS IT MATERIAL INFORMATION THAT WE ACTUALLY CAN HAVE ACTION ON IN THE FUTURE? OR IS IT JUST WE HAVE THIS INFORMATION, 
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WE KNOW THE SYSTEM'S RIGGED AND NOW WE'RE RIGHT, BUT WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING WITH IT. 
          SO IS THE EFFORT WORTH IT IS? WELL, I THINK THAT HAVING VALUE, HAVING USEFUL, MEANINGFUL INFORMATION KIND OF WILL HELP US DO WHAT STEVE SUGGESTED BEFORE IS GOING BACK TO THE REGIONAL TASK FORCE AND SAYING, YOU YOU JUST RECENTLY GAVE LEMON GROVE $10 MILLION. 
          YOU'VE NEVER GIVEN EL CAJON A DOLLAR. 
          HERE'S ALL THE INFORMATION THAT, THAT WE HAVE, NOT JUST FROM ONE POINT IN TIME COUNT, BUT BEFORE, YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU'RE TELLING US THAT MAYBE 20% OF THE PEOPLE ON THE STREET HAVE A, A DRUG ADDICTION PROBLEM. 
          BUT WHEN WE ASK THE PEOPLE ON THE STREET A DIFFERENT QUESTION LIKE, DID YOU USE DRUGS IN THE LAST 24 HOURS? 95% SAID YES. 
          SO WE THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT THIS IS A, A PROBLEM THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED. 
          SO I, I DON'T KNOW ALL THE, ALL THE BENEFITS TO HAVING THE RIGHT INFORMATION, BUT I BET YOU WE COULD, WE COULD GET MORE MILEAGE OUT OF THAT THAN THE COST OF IMPLEMENTING IT. 
          I'D LOVE TO SEE REGIONAL TASK FORCE GIVE A GRANT FOR THAT AS WELL. 
          THEY OWE US . 
          WELL, IF, IF, IF MAY, MAYBE WE COULD JUST DO THIS. 
          IF, IF PEOPLE ARE NOT OPPOSED TO THIS, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO FLESH THAT IDEA OUT SOME MORE? GIVE US COSTS AND, UM, THE, UH, PROS AND CONS OF, OF DOING THE PROGRAM? CERTAINLY WE CAN DO THAT. 
          AND THE IDEA IS NOT TO REFUTE THE REGIONAL TASK FORCE NUMBERS BECAUSE IT'S TWO DIFFERENT COUNTS. 
          THERE'S, THEIR COUNT IS VERY PRESCRIBED. 
          IT HAS TO BE A VERY CERTAIN WAY DURING A CERTAIN TIME OF DAY. 
          ONCE THAT TIME ENDS, THERE'S NO MORE COUNTING EXCEPT WITH THESE OTHER GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT DOES ANOTHER COUNT. 
          UH, WE WOULD HAVE MORE CONTROL OVER THE COUNT. 
          SO WE THINK WE GET BETTER DATA. 
          UM, AND WE COULD ASK AGAIN THE RIGHT QUESTIONS. 
          NOT, NOT THEIR, THEIR QUESTIONS THAT ARE GIVEN TO THEM BY HUD. 
          UH, SOMETHING THAT I'D LIKE TO BRING UP, 'CAUSE I'VE DONE THE POINT IN TIME COUNT NOW THREE YEARS IN A ROW, I THINK NOW. 
          UM, AND THE NUMBERS, I MEAN, YOU PRETTY MUCH KNOW IF YOU WERE MEETING A HUNDRED PEOPLE, YOU WOULD KNOW IF WE HAD SEEN A HUNDRED PEOPLE IN ONE GROUP IN ONE CENSUS TRACK. 
          I THINK SOMETHING ELSE THAT WE SHOULD CONSIDER AS FAR AS GETTING DATA IS, UH, GET THE INFORMATION FROM THE HOMELESS CONNECT THAT WAS JUST RECENT. 
          THEY HAVE INFORMATION WHERE DID THESE PEOPLE COME FROM? AND, AND THE PEOPLE THAT PARTICIPATED IN THIS HOMELESS CONNECT PACIFIC HEALTH IS WILLING TO SPONSOR A HOMELESS CONNECT EVERY QUARTER, WHICH WOULD BE GREAT BECAUSE WE CAN ALSO, I WOULD IMAGINE, BE ABLE TO USE THEIR DATA THAT THEY'VE COLLECTED FROM HELPING PEOPLE, UH, WHEN THEY REGISTER IN TO COME IN AND GET SERVICES FROM, FROM PROBATION, FROM, UM, DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, WHATEVER, UM, THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO USE SOME OF THAT DATA ALONG WITH OUR OWN POINT IN TIME COUNT. 
          I, I THINK THAT'S ALL A GREAT IDEA. 
          I I, I WANNA CAUTION AGAIN, AGAINST GETTING INTO THE MINUTIA ABOUT THIS, UH, GRA GRAHAM'S GONNA BRING BACK A PROPOSAL. 
          WE COULD, WE COULD TEAR IT APART AT THAT POINT, RIGHT? I JUST WANNA THROW IT OUT THERE. 
          ARE WE, ARE WE TALKING ABOUT ONCE A YEAR? WELL, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS GRAHAM'S GRAHAM INITIALLY WAS SAYING QUARTERLY. 
          QUARTERLY. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THE COUNCIL WOULD HAVE TO DECIDE AT THAT POINT. 
          FIRST OFF, I HAVE NO IDEA HOW MUCH THEY'RE GONNA COST. 
          SO ALL THESE THINGS ARE GONNA COME INTO PLAY. 
          SURE. 
          SO WITH THE, WITH THE COUNCIL'S AGREEMENT, WE'LL ASK GRAHAM TO COME BACK AND GIVE US A PROPOSAL ON THAT. 
          AGREED. 
          GREAT. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THE NEXT ONE IS THE QUALITY OF LIFE TEAM COVERAGE. 
          I, I'D LIKE TO START WITH THIS. 
          YOU KNOW, I, I'M SO CHEAP BY NATURE. 
          I, I, YOU KNOW WHAT, WHAT I HEARD ABOUT THE IDEA OF SPENDING A MILLION DOLLARS OR MAYBE A MILLION AND HALF DOLLARS, I, I FIRST RECOILED AT THAT, THAT IDEA. 
          BUT MY FEELING IS THAT OF ALL THE THINGS PEOPLE TALK TO ME ABOUT, HOMELESSNESS IS THE NUMBER ONE THING THAT PEOPLE TALK TO ME. 
          IT'S THE THING THEY, THAT, THAT UPSETS 'EM THE MOST. 
          IT'S THE THING THAT, THAT IMPACTS THEIR QUALITY OF LIFE THE MOST. 
          I, I'D BE WILLING TO SEE WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF WE SPENT THE MONEY TO REALLY, REALLY FOR MAKE ENFORCEMENT A A TOP PRIORITY. 
          AND THEN, LIKE STEVE SAYS, UH, PUT SOME PRESSURE ON THE REGIONAL TASK FORCE TO, TO HELP US PAY FOR THAT IF, IF IT'S A POSITIVE THING. 
          BUT I'LL LET YOU GUYS, UM, GIVE YOUR THOUGHTS. 
          I, I, I LIKE YOUR IDEA. 
          I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. 
          MY, UH, MY QUESTION IS, WE PUT THIS, WE PUT THE QUALITY OF LIFE TEAM OUT THERE AND WE DO WHAT WE CAN, BUT THERE'S NO BITE. 
          YOU KNOW? AND, AND I KNOW THAT THERE ARE LAWS THAT KEEP IT, AND IT'S, AND I'VE ALWAYS SAID IT'S 
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NOT A CRIME TO BE POOR. 
          IT'S NOT A CRIME TO BE HOMELESS. 
          BUT AT, AT SOME POINT IN TIME, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE SAFETY AND WELFARE OF EVERYBODY IN THE CITY, THE ENTIRE CITY. 
          AND YOU'VE SAID THAT YOURSELF, MR. MAYOR, OF HOW, YOU KNOW, IT'S THE SAFETY OF THE PUBLIC AND THE SAFETY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          AND I AGREE. 
          AND I THINK THAT WE HAVE DONE WHAT WE CAN. 
          WE DO A LOT MORE THAN OTHER CITIES. 
          AND WE'RE TRYING CONSTANTLY TO, TO REMEDY A SITUATION THAT IS VERY DIFFICULT TO REMEDY. 
          AND I'VE NOW KIND OF COME TO THIS POINT WHERE IT'S LIKE, IF YOU DON'T WANNA GO INTO REHAB, THEN PLEASE LEAVE THE CITY. 
          YOU KNOW? OR WE GET THEM INTO FORCED REHAB. 
          I KNOW WE CAN'T DO THAT, BUT THEY'RE WAITING. 
          WE CLEAN OUT, LIKE SAY BEHIND ON MAGNOLIA, BEHIND THE, THE CHIROPRACTOR'S OFFICE, RIGHT? AS YOU'RE GETTING ON EIGHT EAST AT MAGNOLIA, WE'RE CLEANING THAT OUT. 
          THEY ARE WAITING. 
          AND I'VE SEEN THEM AND I'VE WALKED BACK THERE. 
          THEY'RE WAITING ON THE CORNERS WITH THEIR STUFF, THAT THINGS KIND OF CALM DOWN AND THEN THEY'LL COME RIGHT BACK IN. 
          OR THEY'RE PARKING, THEY'RE PUTTING UP THEIR TENTS IN CALTRANS PROPERTY. 
          'CAUSE THEY KNOW IT'S GONNA BE A WHILE BEFORE CALTRANS COME IN THERE. 
          BUT THOSE PEOPLE THAT ARE LIVING ON CALTRANS PROPERTY ARE COMING INTO THE CITY AND DOING THEIR CRIMES OR DOING WHATEVER THEY'RE DOING, STEALING PACKAGES AND ARE LIKE, AND I, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT. 
          AND IF WE DON'T GET COOPERATION WITH CALTRANS INCREASING OUR QUALITY OF LIFE TEAM, WHAT IS THAT GOING TO DO? AND, AND THAT'S KIND OF MY QUESTION IS LIKE, WE CAN SPEND THE MONEY ON INCREASING, UM, SERVICES OR WHATEVER, BUT IF IT'S GONNA COME TO NIL BECAUSE CALTRANS OR COUNTY IS NOT DOING THEIR PART IN IT, WE'RE JUST PLAYING WHACK-A-MOLE. 
          AND I HATE SAYING THAT. 
          AND, AND THOSE THAT ARE OUR SERVICE PROVIDERS KNOW THAT I'VE BEEN A BIG ADVOCATE FOR HOMELESS AND TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE TREAT THEM WITH DIGNITY. 
          BUT AT SOME POINT IN TIME, THE COMMUNITY DESERVES THAT DIGNITY AS WELL. 
          AND I'VE COME TO THIS POINT WHERE YOU JUST CAN'T. 
          AND, AND WE, I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE US DO MORE COOPERATION OR PUT MORE PRESSURE BETWEEN REGIONAL TASK FORCE ON HOMELESSNESS, THE COUNTY AND CALTRANS AND SAY, LOOK, THIS IS A REGIONAL PROGRAM OR A REGIONAL PROBLEM AND WE NEED TO ATTACK IT REGIONALLY AND IN COOPERATION WITH EACH OTHER AND START COMING DOWN ON PEOPLE WHO JUST WILL NOT TAKE ANY SERVICES WHATSOEVER. 
          BECAUSE IT'S A WASTE OF OUR MONEY TO SEND PEOPLE OUT THERE FROM OUR QUALITY OF LIFE TEAM. 
          AND THEY JUST GO, NO, I DON'T WANT ANY SERVICES. 
          AND THEN THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO. 
          WELL, AND THAT'S THE TOUGH PART. 
          THE THING I'M TALKING ABOUT DOING IS BREAKING DOWN, BREAKING UP THE ENCAMPMENTS AND YEAH. 
          AND MAKING IT DIFFICULT FOR PEOPLE. 
          I AGREE WITH YOU, MR. MAYOR. 
          UH, A QUESTION FOR THE CITY MANAGER, DON'T WE HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH CALTRANS THAT OUR POLICE CAN GO UP AND BREAK UP HOMELESS CAMPS ON THEIR PROPERTY? UM, A A LITTLE BIT, BUT ACTUALLY CALTRAN HAS BEEN AN AMAZING PARTNER IN THE LAST COUPLE MONTHS. 
          THEY HAVE ACTUALLY PROBABLY DONE MORE. 
          OH, GOOD. 
          THEY'VE, THEY'VE EXCEEDED OUR EXPECTATIONS. 
          UH, THEY PROBABLY ARE SPENDING MORE TIME AND EFFORT IN ELCON THAN THEY ARE ANYWHERE ELSE RIGHT NOW. 
          SO KUDOS TO THEM. 
          THEY'VE BEEN AMAZING PARTNERS, BUT THEY HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM. 
          WE HAVE CAN'T FORCE SOMEONE TO GO TO REHAB. 
          MM-HMM . 
          YOU CAN'T FORCE SOMEONE TO GO INTO SHELTER. 
          UH, YOU ONLY HAVE LIMITED RESOURCES. 
          IF YOU MOVE FROM ONE, UH, ON-RAMP, THEY'RE GONNA MOVE TO THE NEXT ON-RAMP. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND SO THEY EXPERIENCED THE SAME THING, OR WE ARE, BUT THEY'VE BEEN REALLY HELPFUL THUS FAR. 
          THANK YOU FOR THAT. 
          'CAUSE I DID NOT KNOW, I HADN'T BEEN IN CONTACT WITH THEM, BUT I, I WOULD THINK THAT IF THEY KEEP ON GETTING MOVED AROUND IN EL CAJON, THEY'RE, AND THEY DON'T WANNA GET INTO A PROGRAM, WHICH I THINK THEY DESPERATELY NEED. 
          'CAUSE THINK ABOUT 95% OF THEM ARE ON DRUGS. 
          ISN'T THAT CORRECT MR. MAYOR? THAT'S MY OPINION. 
          AND YOU'RE IN THE BUSINESS, SO YOUR OPINION ON THAT CARRIES GREAT WEIGHT WITH ME. 
          UM, SO I THINK THEY'RE GONNA GO TAKE THE PATH OF LEAST RESISTANCE, WHICH MAY BE NOT STAYING IN EL CAJON. 
          I MEAN, I KNOW THAT THE STATE TIES OUR HANDS ON A LOT OF THINGS, BUT IF WE'RE OUT THERE MOVE NOW, MOVE NOW, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S GONNA HAVE SOME EFFECT, I WOULD THINK AND BUST THEM. 
          AND IF WE CAN TAKE THEIR DRUGS, I THINK THE, THE REASON I I FIRST BROUGHT THIS IDEA UP WAS BECAUSE I, I, WHAT I NOTICED DRIVING AROUND ALCOHOL ON THE WEEKENDS IS THAT EVERYBODY COMES OUT AND CAMPS ALL OVER EVERY PLACE ON THE WEEKENDS. 
          'CAUSE THEY KNOW THAT. 
          MM-HMM. 
          THEY KNOW WHEN WE'RE 
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COMING. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO IF WE COULD MIX IT UP AND, AND DOUBLE OUR EFFORTS, WE GET MORE RESULTS. 
          YEAH, I AGREE. 
          I I LOOKED AT THIS AS, AS A WEEKEND, UH, SUPPLEMENT THAT REQUIRE EXTRA POLICE AND EXTRA PUBLIC WORKS. 
          THAT'S THE COST. 
          I LET'S NOT UNDERESTIMATE THE SAME PEOPLE WHO SAY WE KNOW THERE'S NOTHING GONNA HAPPEN ON SATURDAY AND SUNDAY. 
          AS SOON AS WE CHANGE IT TO SAY, WELL, WE'RE GONNA MOVE WEDNESDAYS PEOPLE TO SATURDAY , UH, THEY'RE GONNA SAY, SO NOW WE HAVE WEDNESDAYS AND SUNDAYS THAT ARE ENFORCEMENT FREE. 
          UH, YEAH, I THINK YOU HAVE, I THINK YOU HAVE TO RANDOMIZE IT. 
          SO, AND, AND INCREASE IT FROM WHAT, HOW MANY DAYS A WEEK ARE WE DOING RIGHT NOW? USUALLY TWO, SOMETIMES THREE TIMES A WEEK. 
          YEAH. 
          SO IF WE INCREASE THAT TO FIVE DAYS A WEEK THAT WERE RANDOMIZED IT, IT WOULD PROBABLY BE HAVE MORE EFFORT. 
          OR MY QUESTION IS MORE, UM, ALONG A LEGAL LINES, YOU CAN, UM, SEIZE THINGS WHICH ARE SPOILED OR, OH, SPOIL IS PROBABLY THE BEST WORD I CAN THINK OF WHEN IT COMES TO WET CLOTHING, FOOD, CONTAINERS, THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          UH, AND I THINK MANY BELONGINGS THAT I'VE EXPERIENCED TO PICK UP ARE SPOILED MM-HMM . 
          AND IF YOU LOSE HALF YOUR STUFF, EVEN THOUGH YOU JUST, THAT THAT'S YOUR WORLD. 
          IT IT'S YOUR WORLD SPOILED OR NOT. 
          AND IF WE CAN GET A LITTLE TOUGHER ON SOME OF THESE ENCAMPMENTS RATHER THAN JUST MOVE ALONG AND WE'LL CLEAN UP AFTER YOU, BUT WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH THAT. 
          AND THAT GOES, THAT GOES, THAT GOES. 
          AND WHATEVER YOU CAN FIT IN THAT THING YOU CAN TAKE WITH YOU. 
          I, THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT WE HAVEN'T TRIED YET. 
          AND THAT IS A LEGAL ISSUE. 
          WE NO, WE DO THAT. 
          WE WE DO THAT. 
          THE CHALLENGE IS THAT, AND, UH, TWO THINGS. 
          ONE, MR. KENDRICK'S EXACTLY RIGHT. 
          AT SOME POINT PEOPLE WILL MOVE ALONG IF BEING HARASSED OVER AND OVER AGAIN. 
          THE PROBLEM IS, AND WE EXPERIENCED THAT DURING THAT 72 HOUR BLITZ THAT WE DID, IT WORKED FOR ABOUT A WEEK OR TWO, AND THEN THEY ALL CAME BACK BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO DO IT ALL THE TIME. 
          IT'S NOT 72 HOURS, IT'S 365 7 DAYS A WEEK, AND THAT'S WAY MORE THAN $1.5 MILLION. 
          UM, THAT'S A CHALLENGE TO MR. GOEBBELS POINT. 
          WE DO THAT TO A CERTAIN DEGREE, BUT WE'RE RIGHT ON THE EDGE OF WHETHER WE NEED TO PROVIDE STORAGE FOR STUFF. 
          AND THAT'S BECOMES ANOTHER HUGE EXPENSE IF WE HAVE TO DO THAT. 
          OKAY, GREAT. 
          TIME TO BRING THIS UP. 
          THE STORAGE OF STUFF. 
          IF YOU ARE CITED FOR ILLEGAL LODGING UNDER SOME CIRCUMSTANCES, YOU CAN SEIZE ALL THINGS. 
          THEY MUST BE HELD IN A PUBLIC WORKS YARD FOR A PERIOD OF UP TO 60 OR 90 DAYS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT FOR THEM TO GET, UH, THAT IS A COST, THAT IS A WHATEVER. 
          UH, IS THAT A LET, LET'S ALL ELSE, IS THAT EVEN A VIABLE, NOT PRACTICAL, NOT FINANCIAL? IS IT EVEN A LEGAL POSSIBILITY FOR US TO DO THAT? THAT STUFF? ALL OF THAT GOES TO THE YARD. 
          YES. 
          THE GOVERNOR'S OWN THE OWN, OUR OWN GOVERNOR'S OWN SAMPLE ENCAMPMENT RESOLUTION CALLS FOR THE ABILITY TO THROW PEOPLE'S PERSONAL BELONGINGS AWAY IF THEY MEET CERTAIN CRITERIA. 
          AND THE, WHAT YOU JUST DESCRIBED, MR. GOBEL, ARE THE, ALL THE THINGS THAT UNDER THE GOVERNOR SAMPLE RESOLUTION SAYS YOU CAN. 
          OKAY, SO LET'S START THERE. 
          YEP. 
          NOW WE KNOW THAT WE DON'T HAVE A PUBLIC WORKS YARD TO HANDLE THINGS FOR 200, 400, 300 PEOPLE IN THE CITY. 
          WHAT COULD WE START WITH 10? COULD WE START WITH 20 TO CREATE A CULTURE THAT THIS IS NOT AS EASY AS IT HAS BEEN IN THE PAST? THINGS MIGHT START TO GET MORE DIFFICULT WITH MONEY. 
          YES, ABSOLUTELY. 
          AND, AND WHEN YOU START WITH 10 OR 20, THE COST ISN'T THE SAME AS YOU HAVE 200 DISAGREE. 
          IT'S ALMOST THE SUM OF THE, ALMOST THE SAME BECAUSE YOU'RE GONNA HIT THIS, THIS ECONOMY A SCALE BECAUSE YOU STILL HAVE TO HAVE SOMEONE THAT INVENTORIES ALL THE STUFF. 
          THIS, THIS IS WHAT HAS TO HAPPEN. 
          YOU HAVE TO INVENTORY THE STUFF THAT IS TAKEN, IDENTIFY THE PERSON, STORE IT, AND THEN YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOMEBODY AVAILABLE. 
          THEN WHEN THEY COME AT ANY TIME, THEY'RE, THEY'RE ALLOWED TO COME ANY TIME DURING BUSINESS HOURS, THEN THEY HAVE TO PROVE THAT THEY'RE THAT PERSON. 
          THEY HAVE TO RE SO WHETHER IT'S 10 OR A HUNDRED, THERE IS SOME BASIC LEVEL OF COST. 
          DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? IT, IT DOES, BUT LET ME FOLLOW UP AND SAY, OKAY, INVENTORYING, I THINK WE'RE GETTING SCARED ABOUT, YOU GOTTA HAVE ONE BOOK, TWO SHIRTS, THREE THIS. 
          I THINK IT 
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CAN BE ONE BAG THAT'S SEALED WITH THE SERIAL NUMBER LIKE THEY DO WITH, UM, UH, TRUCKING CONTAINERS. 
          YES. 
          IT'S GOT A SEAL ON IT. 
          SO NOBODY HAS BEEN IN THAT BAG AND IT'S GOT TAG NUMBER 1, 2, 3, 4. 
          AND YOU KNOW WHAT, WE'RE JUST GONNA PUT THAT BAG IN AGAINST THE BACK WALL AND NOBODY'S BEEN IN THAT BAG SINCE IT GOT HERE. 
          AGREED. 
          THAT'S INVENTORY. 
          THAT'S GREAT. 
          BUT IT TAKES SOMEONE TO DO THAT. 
          THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN IN THE ETHER, RIGHT? AGREE. 
          BUT WE HAVEN'T TESTED THAT TO SEE IF IT WOULD CHANGE THE CULTURE. 
          CORRECT. 
          SO DID YOU WANNA WEIGH IN? YEAH. 
          IF YOU'RE GONNA DO A SEALED BAG, YOU GOTTA KNOW WHAT'S IN THE SEALED BAG. 
          YOU CAN'T JUST SAY ONE SEALED BAG, 12 INCHES BY 12 INCHES WITH THE TAG, BECAUSE WE GET CLAIMS MONTHLY OF STOLEN OR LOST ITEMS THAT ARE PRECIOUS. 
          THEIR MONEY, THEY, THEY CLAIM IS, IS, UH, TAKEN FROM THEM THAT'S NOT RETURNED WHEN THEY WENT TO PICK IT UP. 
          UH, THEY'RE KEEPSAKES AND, YOU KNOW, FAMILY HEIRLOOMS AND JEWELS AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE COMES THROUGH THERE. 
          THERE'S DAVE, HE CAN PROBABLY AGREE TO SOME OF THIS STUFF. 
          WE, WE GOTTA DEAL WITH THOSE CLAIMS THAT THAT'S A WHOLE NEW THING. 
          SO, BUT, AND, AND BEFORE, BEFORE YOU GO ON, WE'VE HAD THIS YEARS AGO WHERE THERE WASN'T A PROPER IDENTIFICATION OF THINGS AND THERE WAS A LARGE LAWSUIT AGAINST THE CITY, IF I RECALL. 
          I WASN'T HERE AT THE TIME, BUT I UNDERSTAND THERE WAS A LAWSUIT THAT RESULTED IN THE CITY BEING RESPONSIBLE FOR SOME DAMAGES TO HOMELESS PERSONNEL WHEN IT WASN'T PROPERLY INVENTORIED. 
          AND WE DON'T KNOW HOW THOSE WERE SECURED. 
          JUST LIKE THE POLICE HANDLE EVIDENCE, THEY PUT IT IN A BOX, THEY PUT TAMPER PROOF TAPE ACROSS THE BOX SO THAT, YOU KNOW, IF THAT BOX GOT OPENED, SOMEBODY OPENED IT, THERE'S AN EASY WAY TO SAY WHATEVER GOES IN THIS BOX, THAT'S YOUR STUFF. 
          HERE'S THE SEAL, HERE'S THE NUMBER. 
          THEY DO IT. 
          TRUCKING CONTAINERS, THEY DO IT. 
          POLICE EVIDENCE, IT, I I I DEFER TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IN THEIR PROPERTY ROOM ABOUT HOW THEY KEEP TRACK OF THINGS. 
          BUT I SERIOUSLY DOUBT THAT IT MEETS THE APPROVAL OF A COURT IN A CRIMINAL PROSECUTION TO SAY, THIS BAG HAD, OH, BY THE WAY, IT HAD X, Y, Z WHEN THERE WAS NO INVENTORY THAT IDENTIFIED THAT SPECIFICALLY. 
          OKAY, WE'RE GETTING INTO A DIFFERENT DISCUSSION, BUT I THINK IT'S, WE'RE TRYING SOMETHING TO SAY, LET'S CHANGE THE WAY WE DO THINGS. 
          UH, GRAHAM I WANNA ASK YOU, WE'RE ALREADY DOING THIS PROGRAM TO SOME DEGREE, RIGHT? YOU'RE DOING IT A FEW DAYS A WEEK. 
          SO HOW DOES THAT PROBLEM BEING DEALT WITH RIGHT NOW? RIGHT NOW WE, WE DON'T STORE PEOPLE'S BELONGINGS. 
          WE HAVE THEM TAKE WHAT THEY CAN TAKE AND IF THEY LEAVE THINGS BEHIND, IT'S CONSIDERED REFUGE AND WE THROW IT AWAY. 
          SO CAN'T WE DO THE SAME THING JUST AT A, AT A HIGHER, MORE DAYS PER WEEK? WE CAN, BUT I THINK WHAT I HEARD WAS, UM, IT DOES BOTH, BOTH PROCESSES TAKE A LONG TIME. 
          WE CAN CONTINUE TO DO THAT, BUT I, I THINK MR. GLOBAL WAS TALKING ABOUT CHANGING THE CULTURE BECAUSE WE CAN BE A LITTLE BIT MORE AGGRESSIVE IF WE CAN STORE PEOPLE'S STUFF AS WELL. 
          H HOW CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT WH HOW WE CAN BE MORE EX AGGRESSIVE BY STORING PEOPLE'S THINGS AS OPPOSED TO THEM ABANDONING IT. 
          WE JUST TAKE EVERYTHING AND, BUT THEY'LL GET IT BACK. 
          THEY CAN COME AND GET IT. 
          HOW IT, IT'S HARDER FOR THEM TO, TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS. 
          YEAH. 
          IF I, IF I MAY INTERJECT SOMETHING, I THINK WHEN IN TRYING TO PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER, LOOK AT LEMON GROVE. 
          LEMON GROVE DID, UM, DID THE STORAGE FOR A PERIOD OF TIME. 
          LET'S CHECK WITH LEMON GROVE AND SEE HOW THEIR PROGRAM WENT AND WHY DID THEY END. 
          THE OTHER OPTION IS, INSTEAD OF EL CAJON, AND MAYBE IT MIGHT BE CHEAPER IF WE WERE TO RENT PROPERTY, THAT PROPERTY GETS PICKED UP FROM THEM, PUT IN SOMEPLACE ELSE OUTSIDE OF EL CAJON, AND THEN THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO TO ELCO OUT TO OUT OF EL CAJON TO PICK UP THEIR STUFF AND MAYBE NOT COME BACK. 
          LET, LET ME MAKE THIS SUGGESTION. 
          IF, IF WE'RE ALL IN AGREEMENT THAT IT'S WORTH SPENDING A LITTLE BIT MORE MONEY TO INCREASE THE ENFORCEMENT AND TO MAKE IT MORE DIFFICULT TO BE HOMELESS, COULD WE THEN GIVE THAT BASIC CONCEPT TO GRAHAM AND HAVING HIM COME BACK WITH A PLAN THAT ADDRESSES SO, YOU KNOW, IF, IF YOU WANT, IF YOU WANT, UH, THE A PLAN, IT COSTS A MILLION DOLLARS IF YOU WANT THE B PLAN, IT'S A MILLION AND A HALF. 
          IF YOU WANT THE C PLAN, THE DELUXE SUPER DELUXE, THAT'S $3 MILLION. 
          AND THEN WE CAN DECIDE AS A, AS A GROUP WHICH LEVELS THAT WE CAN AFFORD AND WE, WE WANT TO IMPLEMENT. 
          I LOVE THAT IDEA. 
          I JUST WANT TO HAVE A COUPLE, I DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO HAVE COMMENTS FOR THIS QUALITY OF LIFE TEAM COVERAGE. 
          UM, UH, I THINK IT IS INCUMBENT UPON THIS BOARD TO SPEND THE MONEY ON THIS. 
          I THINK THIS IS WHAT THE PUBLIC HEAR, WE HEAR FROM, FROM THE PUBLIC CONSISTENTLY THE MOST. 
          UM, I THINK THAT, UM, THAT'S WHAT THE PUBLIC WANTS. 
          I THINK IT'S WHAT THE CITY NEEDS. 
          UM, GRAHAM, I THINK YOUR IDEA OF, OR STAFF'S IDEA OF JUST FULL COURT PRESS FOR ONE YEAR, YOU KNOW, UM, 
          [01:55:01]
THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO CHANGE THE CULTURE TO MR. GOEBBELS STANDPOINT. 
          I WOULD BE CURIOUS, I ADDED A LITTLE SIDEBAR WITH STEVE HERE WITH THE, WITH THE CONCEPT OF INTER INTRODUCING SOMETHING NEW TO BE MORE EFFECTIVE IN CLEANING UP ENCAMPMENTS AND COUNCILMAN GOEBBELS IDEA, WAS THE STORAGE OF IT OR SEIZING IT, TAKING IT AND STORING IT, IS THAT EFFECTIVE BASED OFF OF OTHER CITIES? MAYBE THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT STAFF COULD DO. 
          HAVE THEY SEEN IT'S HOW LONG DOES IT SIT IN STORAGE, WHICH WOULD BE INDICATIVE OF THEM NOT COMING BACK AND GETTING IT. 
          UM, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE TIMEFRAME IS, BUT IS THERE ANY OTHER METHODS THAT OTHER CITIES HAVE IMPLEMENTED TO INCREASE THE EFFECTIVENESS OF, IN CLEANING UP ENCAMPMENTS AND CHANGING THE CULTURE WITHIN THE CITY? UM, THAT, THAT WOULD BE THE QUESTION THAT I WOULD ASK. 
          AND I LOVE MR. MAYOR, YOUR IDEA OF, LET'S COME UP WITH ENHANCED ENFORCEMENT, HOWEVER YOU GUYS SEE FIT WITH PUBLIC WORKS AND CHIEF OF POLICE AND OTHER CITIES, AND YOU GIVE US A MENU AND SAY THIS, THIS OR THAT, AND THEN WE MAKE THAT DECISION. 
          SO I DON'T SEE ANYBODY, UH, UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THE IDEA OF HAVING GRAHAM COME BACK TO US WITH, WITH WITH OPTIONS. 
          THAT'S A GOOD, OKAY. 
          THAT CAN, CAN YOU GIMME SOME PARAMETERS ON HOW MUCH MONEY FOR A, B AND C? BECAUSE THAT'S DEPENDENT ON FROM AN ANNUAL YEAH, HALF A MILLION, MILLION AND 2 MILLION. 
          I WOULD SAY 500,000, 1,000,015 AND 1.5. 
          1.5. 
          BUT UNLESS ANYBODY'S, SURE. 
          AND IT'S ONE TIME MONEY, NOT ANNUAL MONEY, RIGHT? YEAH, ONE TIME. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          I MEAN I WAS, THIS MAY BE KIND OF OUT OF THE BOX AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S FEASIBLE, BUT WE COULD BUY, I'VE SEEN THESE HIGH SCHOOL LOCKERS FOR SALE SURPLUS REALLY CHEAP. 
          AND IF WE STUCK A BUNCH OF THOSE OVER AT THE OLD ANIMAL SHELTER, YOU KNOW, AND PUT THEM IN THERE, THEY ALREADY GOT A BUNCH OF CAGES FOR, FOR SOMETHING THAT'S EVEN BIGGER AND THEN THEY CAN HAVE ACCESS TO IT. 
          UH, MAYBE CONTACT SOMEBODY NEXT DOOR AT THE FIRE STATION, OR WE HAVE A CLERK THAT HAS A COUPLE DIFFERENT DUTIES. 
          ONE IS, I KNOW ONE OF THEIR CLERKS LEFT AND ONE IS, OKAY, YOU CALL THIS NUMBER AND THEY'LL MEET YOU OVER THERE AND OPEN UP YOUR LOCKER FOR YOU. 
          REMEMBER WHEN WE CONFISCATE, IT'S MORE THAN A HIGH SCHOOL LOCKER'S WORTH OF STUFF. 
          IT'S MORE LIKE 10 A BANK OF HIGH SCHOOL LOCKERS OF STUFF. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S TYPICALLY WHAT WELL THEN WE USED THE CAGES. 
          YEAH. 
          WELL REMEMBER THE CITY OF SAN DIEGO DID A PROGRAM LIKE THIS WHERE THEY USED, UH, THE ED COAST STYLE BINS FOR PEOPLE TO STORE STUFF IN, AND THEY HAD A DEDICATED BUILDING. 
          I DON'T THINK THAT WENT ANYWHERE BECAUSE I DON'T THINK PEOPLE SAID, OH, I'LL JUST COME AND GET MY STUFF FROM THERE AS I WANT TO. 
          UH, BUT THAT WAS AN EXAMPLE OF A, OF A PRODUCT THEY USED TO STORE THINGS. 
          UH, ONE MORE THING I WANT TO ADDRESS, SINCE WE ARE INCREASING THE FREQUENCY OF THIS, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO ADDRESS THE EFFECT THAT IT HAS ON STAFF, UH, ON POLICE AND, AND PUBLIC WORKS. 
          WE JUST HONORED THEM PUBLIC WORKS AND, YOU KNOW, DOING THIS ISN'T EASY. 
          AND SO, YOU KNOW, FROM A MORALE STANDPOINT, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, THEY SIGNED UP TO DO THE JOB, THEY GOTTA DO THE JOB. 
          BUT IT MIGHT BE GOOD TO THINK ABOUT THAT FROM A MORALE STANDPOINT OF CONSISTENTLY CLEANING UP. 
          WE, I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          WHEN WE THINK ABOUT THAT AND THEY, THEY DID NOT SIGN UP TO DO THIS JOB WHEN MOST, MOST PEOPLE SIGN UP TO BE A POLICE OFFICER. 
          THAT'S WHAT I MEANT. 
          YEAH. 
          OR A STREET PERSON. 
          THEY DID NOT THINK THEY'D BE ASSIGNED TO DO THIS. 
          CORRECT. 
          IT'S NOT ONLY PHYSICALLY TAXING MENTALLY, BUT IT'S EMOTIONALLY TAXING. 
          YEAH. 
          IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO THROW PEOPLE'S STUFF AWAY DAY IN, DAY OUT. 
          YEAH. 
          SO I, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU ADDRESS THAT, BUT I KNOW IT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED. 
          AND SO WHAT, IN ALL OF THIS, WE'RE ASKING MORE OF THEM, SO IT'S GONNA BE A MORE EMOTIONAL, MENTAL, SPIRITUAL TAX, SOME WAY TO ADDRESS THAT OR DON'T RULE OUT USING THIRD PARTY CONTRACTORS JUST TO CARRY HELP CARRY THE LOAD. 
          GOOD IDEA. 
          UM, WHEN IT COMES TO, UM, IMPACTS ON PROP 36, DID YOU, WHAT, WHAT DIRECTION DID YOU KNOW THAT? OH, I JUST, UH, YOU'RE OKAY WITH US COMING BACK AT THE END OF THE YEAR. 
          UM, I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU AN THAT, THAT WASN'T LOOKING FOR FEEDBACK. 
          I JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU KIND OF A, A GUT CHECK WHERE WE'RE AT. 
          WE'RE DOING SOME GOOD STUFF WITH PROP 36. 
          I THINK, UH, LEE, UH, COMMUNICATION WITH THE DA'S OFFICE IS IMPORTANT THERE. 
          'CAUSE I KNOW THEY'RE GETTING THEIR OWN NUMBERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, SO WE COULD SUPPLEMENT IT WITH THAT. 
          AND I THINK YOUR SUGGESTION ABOUT CITIZENS ACADEMY WAS TO SHEL IT FOR THE TIME BEING. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. 
          ANYBODY HAVE OBJECTIONS TO SHELVING, THE CITIZENS ACADEMY THEN? DO YOU HAVE EVERYTHING YOU NEED? UH, JUST, UM, IS THE COUNSEL IN INTERESTED ALSO TO SORT OF RE RESET OR REEVALUATE ALL OF OUR HOMELESS PROGRAMS? I 
          [02:00:01]
KNOW WE BRING FORWARD AN UPDATE WHERE WE KIND OF SAY, IS THIS THE RIGHT DIRECTION? BUT I THINK WE'RE AT A POINT WHERE WE'VE BEEN DOING SOME OF THE SAME STUFF AND I THINK WE'RE PRETTY SUCCESSFUL. 
          UM, BUT IT IS NOW THE TIME TO MAYBE LOOK AT OUR SERVICE PROVIDER COMPLIMENT THAT WE HAVE. 
          IS THAT SOMETHING THE COUNCIL WOULD LIKE US TO LOOK AT? YEAH, I LIKE THAT IDEA. 
          I THINK THERE'S BEEN SOME LEADERSHIP CHANGES AMONGST MANY ORGANIZATIONS AND SO I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT AND SOME PHILOSOPHICAL CHANGES THAT HAVE RESULTED IN MORE 9 1 1 CALLS AND SOME INS. 
          YEP. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WE'LL, WE CAN WORK ON THAT TOO. 
          ANGELA, DO WE HAVE SPEAKER CARDS ON THIS ITEM? NO SPEAKER CARDS, SIR. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, DO YOU NEED A, A MOTION GRAHAM OR DO YOU JUST, I, I THINK I GOT ALL THE FEEDBACK WE NEEDED. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT THEN. 
          DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING ELSE THEY WANNA SAY OR CAN WE MOVE ON TO THE NEXT THING? OKAY. 
          [12.  Council Activity Report]
ITEM 12 IS MY ACTIVITIES REPORT. 
          I, UM, DID NOT GET MINE IN TIME, SO MOST OF MY ACTIVITIES WILL BE ON THE NEXT ACTIVITIES REPORT. 
          [13.  COUNCILMEMBER STEVE GOBLE MTS (Metropolitan Transit System Board); East County Advanced Water Purification Joint Powers Authority Board; Chamber of Commerce – Government Affairs Committee; SANDAG – Board of Directors – Alternate; SANDAG Public Safety Committee – Alternate.]
COUNCIL MEMBER GOBEL, UM, AS REPORTED AS REPORTED, MAYOR 
          [14.  MAYOR PRO TEM GARY KENDRICK METRO Commission/Wastewater JPA; Heartland Communications; Heartland Fire Training JPA.]
PROM GARY KENDRICK, UH, WITH, AS REPORTED WITH THE ADDITION OF THE HEARTLAND FIRE COMMUNICATIONS, UH, AUTHORITY MEETING. 
          MAY 22ND. 
          GOOD FOR YOU. 
          COUNCIL 
          [15.  COUNCILMEMBER MICHELLE METSCHEL Harry Griffen Park Joint Steering Committee; METRO Commission/Wastewater JPA – Alternate; Heartland Communications – Alternate; Heartland Fire Training JPA – Alternate.]
MEMBER MITCHELL. 
          AS REPORTED COUNCIL MEMBER ORTIZ, 
          [16.  COUNCILMEMBER PHIL ORTIZ League of California Cities, San Diego Division; East County Economic Development Council; MTS (Metropolitan Transit System Board) – Alternate; East County Advanced Water Purification Joint Powers Authority Board – Alternate; Chamber of Commerce – Government Affairs Committee – Alternate.]
IT IS AS REPORTED. 
          THERE ARE NO JOINT COUNCIL MEMBER REPORTS. 
          SO GENERAL INFORMATION ITEMS AND NO FIRST EXCUSE ME THOUGH. 
          FIRST OR SECOND READING ORDINANCE ORDINANCES ON TODAY'S REPORT. 
          THAT BRINGS US TO 
          [23. CLOSED SESSIONS:]
CLOSED SESSION. 
          I'M GONNA ASK OUR CITY ATTORNEY TO RECITE THE TITLE AND LEAD US INTO THE CLOSED SESSION. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          THE CITY COUNCIL IS GOING TO MEET IN CLOSED SESSION ON TWO ITEMS. BOTH ARE CONFERENCES WITH LEGAL COUNSEL FOR ANTICIPATED LITIGATION. 
          THE EXISTING FACTS AND CIRCUMSTANCES ARE AS DESCRIBED IN THE AGENDA, AND I'LL PARAPHRASE. 
          UH, THE FIRST HAS TO DO WITH THE, UH, ISSUE INVOLVING, UM, THE DISCOVERY OF A HIDDEN CAMERA IN OUR, UM, FIRE DEPARTMENT, UH, FACILITIES BY A MR EMPLOYEES, NOT A MR EMPLOYEES THAT PUT IT THERE, BUT A-M-R-A-M-R EMPLOYEES DISCOVERED IT. 
          THE SECOND HAS TO DO WITH, UM, THE, UM, QUESTION BETWEEN THAT'S COME UP BETWEEN THE ATTORNEY GENERAL AND MY OFFICE THAT, UM, IT LEADS US TO BELIEVE THAT THE ATTORNEY GENERAL TAKES A DIFFERENT APPROACH AS TO WHAT, UH, THE ENFORCEMENT OPTIONS ARE FOR THE USE AND, AND DISCLOSURE OF INFORMATION FROM A, UM, AUTOMATED LICENSE PLATE READER, UH, DATA THAT WE COLLECT AND WHETHER IT CAN BE, UH, ALLOWED TO BE USED OR GIVEN TO OUT OF STATE LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES. 
          THANK YOU, COUNSELOR. 
          UM, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THEN TO ADJOURN THE CLOSED SESSION. 
          I MOVE THAT WE, UM, THAT THE COUNCIL ADJOURN TO CLOSED SESSION SECOND VOTE. 
          MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE. 
          LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. 
          WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK. 
          LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE ARE BACK FROM CLOSED SESSION. 
          I'D LIKE TO LET OUR CITY ATTORNEY REPORT ON THE ACTIONS TAKEN IN THE CLOSED SESSION. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          THE CITY COUNCIL MET IN CLOSED SESSION ON TWO ITEMS THAT WERE INVOLVING, UH, CONFERENCES WITH LEGAL COUNSEL ON AN EXISTING, I MEAN, ANTICIPATED LITIGATION. 
          THEY GAVE DIRECTION TO THE CITY'S ATTORNEYS IN BOTH ACTIONS. 
          UH, GREAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THIS BRINGS US TO ADJOURNMENT, THE REGULAR JOINT MEETING OF THE ELCON CITY COUNCIL, EL CAJON HOUSING AUTHORITY SUCCESSOR AGENCY TO THE EL CAJON REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY. 
          HELD THIS 27TH DAY OF MAY, 2025 AS ADJOURN UNTIL TUESDAY, JUNE 10TH, 2025 AT 3:00 PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
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