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STAND FOR THE FLAG, SALUTE, AND A MOMENT OF SILENCE.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
COMMISSIONER SERCO PRESENT AND LET THE RECORD SHOW.
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TO THE EL CAJON PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.THIS MEETING IS BEING LIVE STREAMED ON THE CITY OF EL CAJON WEBSITES.
APPEALS OF FINAL DECISIONS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION MADE THIS EVENING MUST BE FILED IN WRITING WITH THE CITY CLERK BEFORE 5:00 PM FRIDAY, MAY 30TH, 2025, AND MUST INCLUDE THE PAYMENT OF A FILING FEE.
IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK ON EITHER A NON AGENDA OR AN AGENDA ITEM TONIGHT, PLEASE FILL OUT A REQUEST TO SPEAK CARD LOCATED BY THE AGENDA AND TURN IT IN TO THE SECRETARY WHO WILL CALL YOU UP TO SPEAK.
WHEN THE AGENDA ITEM COMES UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, WE ASK THAT YOU GIVE US YOUR NAME, SPELLING YOUR LAST NAME.
UH, SPEAKERS ARE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES.
THE DISPLAY ON THE PODIUM, AS WELL AS OTHER MONITORS IN THE CHAMBERS WILL SHOW TIME COUNTING DOWN FROM 30 SECONDS, 30 SECONDS.
THE PODIUM CLOCK READOUT WILL TURN RED.
SIGNIFYING YOU HAVE 30 SECONDS UNTIL THE END OF YOUR TIME.
APPLICANTS AND INDIVIDUALS REPRESENTING GROUPS OF PEOPLE MAY BE ALLOWED MORE TIME IF APPROPRIATE.
ALL PUBLIC HEARINGS COMMENTS SHOULD BE ADDRESSED TO ME AS THE CHAIR OF THE COMMISSION AND NOT TO INDIVIDUAL COMMISSIONERS OR TO STAFF MEMBERS.
UH, PLEASE TURN OFF ALL ELECTRONIC DEVICES IF YOU HAVE NOT ALREADY DONE SO PURSUANT TO CITY COUNCIL RESOLUTION NUMBER 1 1 4 DASH SEVEN NINE A COMMISSIONER HAS RECEIVED EVIDENCE RELATED TO A MATTER BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION OTHER THAN AN UNESCORTED VIEW OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTIES REQUIRED TO DISCLOSE SUCH INFORMATION AT THE HEARING.
AT THIS TIME, WE WILL TAKE COMMENTS FROM ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC AT ANY ITEM OF BUSINESS WITHIN THE JURISDICTION OF THE COMMISSION.
THAT IS NOT ON THE AGENDA UNDER STATE LAW.
NO ACTION CAN BE TAKEN ON ITEMS BROUGHT FORWARD UNDER PUBLIC COMMENT EXCEPT TO REFER IT TO STAFF FOR ADMINISTRATION OR PLACE IT ON A FUTURE AGENDA.
IS THERE ANYONE THAT WHO WISHES TO ADDRESS A COMMISSION UNDER PUBLIC COMMENT? PLEASE COME FORWARD.
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NEXT ITEM IS THE CONSENT CALENDAR.A SINGLE MOTION WILL COVER ALL ITEMS UNDER THE CONSENT CALENDAR.
DOES THE COMMISSION WISH TO PULL A CONSENT CALENDAR ITEM FOR DISCUSSION? NO.
I MOVE TO ADOPT THE MINUTES AS RECORDED.
I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION BE BY COMMISSIONER CIRCO.
UH, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER ROSE, PLEASE VOTE.
MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIM VOTE.
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THE SECOND ITEM RATHER, IS THE MARMARA SALADS AND SANDWICHES ON SALE ALCOHOL.THE REQUEST IS TO ESTABLISH ON SALE BEER AND WINE ALCOHOL SALES AS CQA EXEMPT, AND THE S'S RECOMMENDATION IS TO APPROVE, UH, SAF.
UH, GOOD EVENING PLANNING COMMISSIONERS.
UH, I'M ASSOCIATE PLANNER, UH, SPENCER HAYES FLORES, AND AGAIN, THE, THE SUBJECT PRO, UH, PROJECT PROPOSES ON SALE BEER AND WINE FOR MARMAR SANDWICH SALADS AND SANDWICHES.
UH, THE PROJECT IS SUBMITTED BY SHERRY OLSON ON BEHALF OF, UH, BUSINESS OWNER RAY GULA.
THE PROJECT PROPOSES AN ALCOHOL BEVERAGE CONTROL LICENSE TYPE, UH, 41, WHICH AGAIN IS FOR ON SALE BEER AND WINE AT A BONAFIDE EATING ESTABLISHMENT.
UH, THE GENERAL PLAN AND ZONING DESIGNATIONS FOR THE SITE ARE, UH, CN NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL.
UH, THE PROPOSED RESTAURANT HOURS
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OF OPERATION ARE 10:00 AM TO 10:00 PM SUNDAY THROUGH THURSDAY, AND THEN 10:00 AM UH, FRIDAY TO 12:00 AM SATURDAY AND 10:00 AM SATURDAY, UH, TO 12:00 AM SUNDAY.UH, THERE'S CURRENTLY AN APPROVED BUILDING PERMIT, UH, FOR THE TENANT IMPROVEMENTS AT THE SITE.
UH, AND THE SUITE IS CURRENTLY UNDERGOING CONSTRUCTION.
THE PROJECT SITE IS ADDRESSED 7 25 HAMSHAW ROAD, UH, WHICH IS WITHIN A A TWO AND A HALF ACRE COMMERCIAL SHOPPING CENTER, UH, BETWEEN, UH, EAST WASHINGTON AVENUE AND GRANITE HILLS DRIVE.
UH, THE TENANT SUITE HERE, UH, IS AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF THE SITE.
THIS IS THE PROJECT SITE PLAN.
UH, AND AGAIN, THE, THE BUBBLED AREA, ACTUALLY ON THE LEFT OF THIS EXHIBIT DUE TO THE ORIENTATION IS THE SUBJECT TENANT SUITE, UH, AND THE OUTDOOR PATIO THAT'S DIRECTLY ADJACENT.
SO, UH, THE INDOOR AREA OF THIS SUITE IS APPROXIMATELY 770 SQUARE FEET.
UH, AND AGAIN, IT, IT IS DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO AN APPROXIMATELY 1100 SQUARE FOOT OUTDOOR PATIO.
THE PATIO IS SECURED BY A LOW BRICK WALL WITH GLASS PANELS, UH, ABOVE UP TO SIX FEET, UH, AND WAS APPROVED VIA AN ADMINISTRATIVE ZONING PERMIT, UH, LATE LAST YEAR IN SEPTEMBER.
ALCOHOL BEVERAGE CONTROL, UH, ESTABLISHES THE NUMBER OF LICENSES, UH, AUTHORIZED IN A GIVEN CENSUS TRACT.
AND IN THIS CASE THAT, UH, NUMBER OF AUTHORIZED AUTHORIZED LICENSES IS EIGHT.
UH, BASED ON THE POPULATION OF THE TRACT, THERE ARE CURRENTLY NINE ACTIVE LICENSES, UH, WHICH MAKES IT OVER CONCENTRATION, OVER CONCENTRATED.
HOWEVER, UH, THE LICENSES ARE DIVIDED BETWEEN, UH, SIX DIFFERENT OPERATORS, UH, SO OPERATORS SUCH AS THE ELKS LODGE, UH, AND THE JUNCTION BAR AND GRILL MAINTAIN MULTIPLE LICENSES.
THAT BEING SAID, THE CRIME RATE IS LOWER THAN AVERAGE IN THE, IN THE SUBJECT TRACT.
UH, ACCORDING TO THE MOST RECENTLY REPORTED CRIME DATA, UH, BY THE ELON POLICE DEPARTMENT.
AND, AND FURTHER, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT DID NOT EXPRESS CONCERN FOR THE ADDITIONAL ON SALE LOCATION.
UH, AT, UM, WITH THIS, WITHIN THIS SHOPPING CENTER, UH, IN ORDER TO ENSURE COMPATIBILITY WITH THE SURROUNDING COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL USES, THE PROPOSED CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL INCLUDE ITEMS, UH, SUCH AS RESPONSIBLE BEVERAGE SERVICE TRAINING, UH, THAT BEER AND WINE SALES OCCUR IN CONJUNCTION WITH FOOD SERVICE, AND THAT THE SITE INCLUDES, UH, THE APPROPRIATE, UH, SIGNAGE AND, AND UPKEEP.
UM, AND ULTIMATELY THERE ARE NO ANTICIPATED, UH, IMPACTS FROM THE NORMAL OPERATION OF A RESTAURANT WITH ON SALE, UH, BEER AND WINE SERVICE AND NO ANTICIPATED IMPACTS, UH, FROM THE OUTDOOR PATIO DUE TO ITS LOCATION AWAY FROM OTHER SENSITIVE USES LIKE RESIDENTIAL.
AND THEN STAFF WANTED TO MAKE A TECHNICAL CORRECTION REGARDING THE HOURS OF OPERATION, UH, IN THE PROPOSED RESOLUTION.
UH, AGAIN, IT SHOULD READ THAT, UM, 12:00 AM IS NOT, IS TECHNICALLY THE MORNING OF THE FOLLOWING DAY AND NOT THE, THE NIGHT OF THE DAY BEFORE
SO AGAIN, THE HOURS OF OPERATION ARE 10:00 AM TO 10:00 PM SUNDAY THROUGH THURSDAY, UH, AND BETWEEN BETWEEN 10:00 AM FRIDAY AND 12:00 AM SATURDAY, AND THEN 10:00 AM SATURDAY AND 12:00 AM SUNDAY.
UH, IT'S PROPOSED THAT THE PROJECT IS EXEMPT, UH, UH, FROM ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW PURSUANT TO CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ACT GUIDELINES, SECTION 15 3 0 1 FOR EXISTING FACILITIES, UH, AND STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE CONDITIONAL, UH, USE PERMIT SUBJECT TO THE PROPOSED CONDITIONS.
THAT CONCLUDES OUR REPORT, AND WE CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE.
THE 12:00 AM AND 12:00 PM CAN BE ALREADY, IT'S ALREADY INCLUDED IN THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL AT THE CORRECTION, UH, IN THE, UH, IN THE RESOLUTION.
IT'S ACTUALLY STATED INCORRECTLY WHERE IT'S, IT'S STATED, UM, 12:00 AM IS THE NIGHT BEFORE, BUT TECHNICALLY THAT'S THE MORNING AFTER, RIGHT.
I, I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
UH, FELLOW COMMISSIONS, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? YES.
UH, JUST TO NOTE THAT AS SPENCER POINTED OUT, WE HAVE SEVERAL DISTRICTS THAT ARE OVER CONCENTRATED WITH ON SALE OR OFF SALE ALCOHOL LICENSES.
THIS IS ONE OF THEM AND WE KEEP APPROVING THEM JUST TO NOTE.
WELL, HOWEVER, UH, THEY MENTIONED THAT, UH, THERE'S, UH, TWO BUSINESSES THEY OWN, UH, TWO OR THREE LICENSES EACH.
ACTUALLY, THE ELKS LODGE HAS FOUR, WHICH IS SHOCKING.
SO, AND SO FAR AS, UH, EACH INDIVIDUAL BUSINESS OWNER, IT DOESN'T APPLY HERE.
ANY OTHER, UH, QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? NO.
UM, LET'S OPEN, UH, PUBLIC HEARING.
IS THERE ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO COME UP FORWARD REGARDING THIS AGENDA ITEM? PLEASE, UH, COME FORWARD.
GIVE US, UH, YOUR NAME AND SPELLING YOUR LAST NAME, PLEASE.
UH, MY NAME IS SHERRY OLSON, AND THAT'S S-H-E-R-R-I-E-O-L-S-O-N.
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AND I AM THE APPLICANT, UH, ON BEHALF OF THE, I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT, I SHOULD SAY.UH, I JUST WANTED TO NOTE THAT WE CONCUR WITH THE CONDITIONS OF, UH, FINDINGS AND WE HAVE NO ISSUES, AND WE'RE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE FOR US.
ALRIGHT, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE? HEY, I MOVE TO, UH, CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING.
UH, MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER SOLE, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER SERCO.
MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF MEMBERS PRESENT.
WELL, LET'S SAY YOU FELLOW COMMISSIONERS LOOKS PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD, RIGHT? WAS AMAZING.
SO YOU'VE GOT TWO, TWO FACILITIES CONTROLLING, I THINK SIX OR SEVEN OF THE LICENSES.
SO TECHNICALLY THERE'S REALLY ONLY TWO BUSINESSES, PLUS MAYBE ONE MORE.
HOW MANY DOES, UH, THE JUNCTION HOLD? THREE OR TWO? I THOUGHT IT WAS THREE.
SO IT APPEARS THAT THE JUNCTION HOLDS THREE AT TYPE 58, 47 AND 77.
SO YOU SAID THERE'S NINE TOTAL LICENSES IN THAT CENSUS TRACK.
THE JUNCTION HOLDS THREE, THE ELKS LODGE HOLDS FOUR.
I WOULD ASSUME THAT THE SUSHI PLACE RIGHT THERE HOLDS ONE 'CAUSE THEY SELL BEER AND WINE.
SO IT'S KIND OF CONCENTRATED IN THAT ONE SHOPPING CENTER.
AND I WOULDN'T SAY IT'S OVERSATURATED AT ALL, BUT I DO HAVE A QUESTION.
HOW ON THE JUNCTION, WHY DOES IT HOLD SO MANY JUST FOR FREE KNOWLEDGE THAT IT'S GIVEN A PROBLEM TO MY KNOWLEDGE, BUT WHY? YEAH, SO IT WOULD ALLOW THEM, FOR EXAMPLE, AND I'M NOT SURE IF THE EXACT LICENSE TYPES, BUT, UH, CERTAIN LICENSES WOULD ALLOW THEM TO, LIKE CATER EVENTS, FOR EXAMPLE.
UH, OR IF THEY HAVE, UM, SPECIAL EVENTS AT THE SITE, THERE'S DIFFERENT TYPES OF LICENSING THAT'S REQUIRED FOR THAT.
ALSO, THERE'S A DIFFERENT LICENSE BETWEEN HARD ALCOHOL AND BEER AND WINE.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? NOPE.
UH, DO WE HAVE A MOTION? ALL RIGHT.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT THE NEXT RES RESOLUTION IN ORDER APPROVING CP 2 0 2 5 0 0 2.
MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER ROSE, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER EDISON.
MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I MAY JUST, SORRY TO INTERJECT, BUT, UH, COULD WE ALSO CLARIFY THAT THE MOTION MAKER WAS INCORPORATING THE CORRECTION MENTIONED BY STAFF? OH, YEP.
UH, ALSO THE CORRECTION MADE BY STAFF IS INCLUDED IN THAT MOTION.
AND THEN CAN WE HAVE CONCURRENCE FROM THE SECOND AS WELL, PLEASE? OKAY.
MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER MOREAU.
SECOND BY COMMISSIONER EDISON.
AND MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF MEMBERS PRESENT.
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UH, NEXT ITEM IS THE EVER BAR.ESTABLISHED A TAP ROOM WITH AN ON SALE BEER AND WINE CQA EXEMPT STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVE STAFF.
MY NAME IS MIKE VILLONE, SENIOR PLANNER WITH THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT.
UH, THIS ITEM IS A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR ON SALE BEER AND WINE SUBMITTED BY TIM STONE ON BEHALF OF EVER BAR.
THE SUBJECT SITE IS LOCATED AT 1 72 EAST MAIN STREET.
IT HAS CORRESPONDING REGIONAL COMMERCIAL GENERAL PLAN AND ZONING DESIGNATIONS CRITICALLY.
IT'S ALSO WITHIN THE LIMITS OF SPECIFIC PLAN NUMBER 180 2, ALSO KNOWN AS THE DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN.
AS YOU MAY RECALL, THE DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN WAS AMENDED IN JANUARY TO AUTHORIZE TWO ADDITIONAL ON SALE ALCOHOL OUTLETS LIKE A BAR, UH, BY CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT ON EAST MAIN STREET SOULS FIELD WAY AND RAY AVENUE BETWEEN MAGNOLIA AND CLADE AVENUES.
THIS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT WOULD USE THE FIRST OF THESE AVAILABLE AUTHORIZATIONS.
THE TAP ROOM PROPOSES A SALE OF BEER AND WINE FOR ONSITE CONSUMPTION UNDER THE TYPE 23 BEER MANUFACTURING LICENSE OF CREATIVE CREATURE, WHICH, UH, FORMALLY OPERATED AT ONE 10 NORTH MAGNOLIA AVENUE.
OFF SALE OF THE PRODUCTS MANUFACTURED BY THE LICENSEE IS PROPOSED AS WELL.
ADDITIONALLY, THE APPLICATION PROPOSES AN AREA FOR OUTDOOR CONSUMPTION AND DINING.
FOOD SERVICE MAY BE OFFERED IN COOPERATION WITH THE ADJACENT RESTAURANT, BUT
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IS NOT INTEGRAL TO THE TAP ROOM OPERATION.PROPOSED HOURS FOR THE TAP ROOM, R THREE TO 10:00 PM EVERY DAY.
HERE IS THE PROPOSED FLOOR PLAN.
THE TAP ROOM IS APPROXIMATELY 770 SQUARE FEET AND INCLUDES INDOOR SEATING BAR KITCHEN WITH DISH WASHING AND, UH, EQUIPMENT AND CABINETS ONLY.
NO COOKING FACILITIES AND REFRIGERATOR FOR OFF SALE PRODUCT.
THE TAPROOM SHARES BATHROOMS WITH MAIN STREET DONUTS AND DELI, UH, FROM A COMMON HALLWAY BEHIND THE TAPROOM NOTE, THERE IS NO TRASH ENCLOSURE ON THE PROPERTY, AND PROPOSED CONDITIONS WOULD PROHIBIT OUTDOOR STORAGE OF TRASH.
SIMILARLY, OUTDOOR STORAGE WOULD BE RESTRICTED EXCEPT FOR ELEMENTS INCLUDED IN THE PROPOSED OUTDOOR DINING AREA IN THE ADJACENT MAIN STREET RIGHT OF WAY.
THE OUTDOOR DINING WOULD BE APPROXIMATELY 150 SQUARE FEET, UH, AND WOULD GENERALLY BE LOCATED IN THE AREAS IN RED IN THE IMAGE AND PLANS AN ENCROACHMENT PERMIT WITH PLAN APPROVAL AND APPROPRIATE INSURANCE WOULD BE REQUIRED TO AUTHORIZE THE DINING AND ITS FINAL DESIGN CONDITIONS WOULD ALSO REQUIRE A TWO FOOT SETBACK TO ALLOW ADEQUATE AREA FOR VEHICLE OVERHANG AND REQUIRE THE AREA TO BE DEFINED BY A THREE FOOT METAL FENCE CONSISTENT WITH OTHER OUTDOOR DINING FACILITIES ON EAST MAIN STREET LIKE THAT OF DOWNTOWN CAFE.
IN THE BACK OF THE IMAGE THERE.
BASED ON POPULATION IN THE CENSUS TRACK, THE EXPECTED NUMBER OF ON SALE ALCOHOL LICENSES FROM A BC IS FIVE.
THERE ARE, HOWEVER, 12 EXISTING LICENSES, UH, BUT THESE ARE HELD BY ONLY SIX ESTABLISHMENTS.
THE SIX ADDITIONAL LICENSES ARE RELATED TO CATERING MOBILE BARS, OR EVENT PERMITS FOR THESE ESTABLISHMENTS.
CRIME RATE IN THE CENSUS TRACK IS HIGH.
HOWEVER, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS IN SUPPORT OF THE APPLICATION.
THEY ARE FAMILIAR WITH CREATIVE CREATURES PRIOR OPERATION AND DO NOT BELIEVE THE CUP WOULD CAUSE ADVERSE EFFECTS.
THE CUP ALSO INCLUDES CONDITIONS REQUIRING RESPONSIBLE OPERATION AND SERVICE TRAINING, UH, SPECIFIES THAT A CHANGE OF HOURS WOULD ALSO REQUIRE REVIEW BY THE CITY THROUGH A MINOR AMENDMENT TO THE CUP.
THE PROPOSED TAP ROOM IS CATEGORICALLY EXEMPT FROM THE REVIEW REQUIREMENTS OF THE CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ACT PURSUANT TO THE EXEMPTION FOR EXISTING FACILITIES.
ULTIMATELY, THE PROPOSED USE IS CONSISTENT WITH THE DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN INTENT TO BRING ABOUT A VITAL AND ACTIVE DOWNTOWN EL CAJON.
FURTHER, THE CRIME RATE AND A BC LICENSE CONCENTRATION ARE, AS THEY WERE WHEN THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THE JANUARY AMENDMENTS TO THE DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN.
CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL WOULD ENSURE THAT ANY POTENTIAL IMPACTS FROM TAPROOM OPERATIONS ARE NEGLIGIBLE STAFF, THEREFORE WILL RECOMMEND APPROVAL AND ARE AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
UH, I, I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
UH, ANY ONE OF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? YES.
UH, I WAS READING THROUGH AND SEEING TRASH IS TO BE STORED INSIDE.
HOW ARE THEY GETTING RID OF TRASH? LIKE IS THERE A COMMUNAL DUMPSTER OR IS A DUMPSTER SHARE AVAILABLE OR ARE THEY GOING TO HAVE TO TRUCK THEIR OWN TRASH SOMEWHERE ELSE TO DUMP IT? 'CAUSE I, I'M UNAWARE OF HOW THAT WOULD WORK.
IT WOULD STILL BE SERVICED BY EDCO.
UM, BUT, UH, THE STORAGE OF THE ACTUAL CARTS WOULD NEED TO BE CONFINED TO THE INTERIOR OF THE BUILDING TO BE CONSISTENT WITH CODE REQUIREMENTS FOR, UH, TRASH ENCLOSURES AND STORM WATER REQUIREMENTS.
SO THEY KEEP THE BINS INSIDE UNTIL TRASH DAY, THEN THEY ROLL THEM OUT TO RAYA.
UH, THE SECOND IS MORE OF AN OBSERVATION.
UH, I KNOW WE, THE, THE CITY COUNCIL ASKED FOR TWO ADDITIONAL LICENSES, AND THIS IS A TRACK WITH 12 WITH THE CAPACITY FOR FIVE, AND THERE ARE ONLY SIX THAT HOLD THESE 12 LICENSES, BUT THAT'S ALREADY ONE OVER CAPACITY.
SO IS THIS TAKING THE SEVENTH SLOT OUT OF SEVEN WITH TWO OVER CAPACITY? OR IS THIS THE TWO ADDITIONAL, ADDITIONAL TO WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE REGARDLESS OF CAPACITY? I WOULD CHARACTERIZE IT, UM, AS ESSENTIALLY THAT IT'S ALREADY OVER CONCENTRATED AND THAT, UM, THE SUBSEQUENT AUTHORIZATIONS WOULD REQUIRE FINDINGS TO, TO SAY THAT THERE, IT'S IN THE PUBLIC CONVENIENCE AND NECESSITY, UH, IN EACH INSTANCE THAT, UH, THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT BE APPROVED AND THE LICENSE BE ISSUED.
SO AT THIS POINT, IT'S UP TO A, B, C TO GO WHATEVER,
WE, THE CITY MAINTAINS THE LAND USE AUTHORITY AND MAKES THOSE REQUIRED FINDINGS, BUT A B, C STILL HAS TO ISSUE THE LICENSES.
THE, UM, SO JUST TO GO BACK TO YOUR ORIGINAL QUESTION, ESSENTIALLY YES, THE COUNCIL HAD SAID THEY WANT TWO ADDITIONAL OUTLETS.
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ONE OF TWO OUTLETS THAT ARE, UH, THAT CAN BE AUTHORIZED UNDER THAT RECENT CODE AMENDMENT.AND THEN, UM, THE, UM, THE PLANNING COMMISSION IN THIS INSTANCE HAS THE AUTHORITY TO ESSENTIALLY OVERRIDE THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF LICENSES THAT ARE ALLOWED IN THAT CENSUS TRACT WITH THE, WITH THESE FINDINGS.
UM, SO, UM, IT'S SIMILAR TO, UH, WHAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND COUNCIL DID FOR, UM, PARKWAY PLAZA WHEN, REMEMBER WHEN ALDI, UH, WENT IN AND THEY WANTED TO ALSO EXCEED.
SO THE, THE FINDING THERE WAS THAT IT SERVES THE PUBLIC CONVENIENCE AND NECESSITY AS A REGIONAL, UH, ASSET AT THE MALL FOR ALDI.
AND THEN IN THIS INSTANCE, UM, IT'S SERVING ESSENTIALLY BASED ON THE PREVIOUS FINDINGS FROM THE ZONING CODE AMENDMENT, UM, THE, UM, THE DESIRE TO MAKE, UH, DOWNTOWN A, A, UH, A LOCATION, UH, THAT IS, UH, VIBRANT AND ENERGETIC AND, UH, IN KEEPING WITH WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE WITH, UH, OTHER BUSINESSES DOWNTOWN.
AND, UH, YES, COMMISSIONER, UH, JUST A QUESTION.
SO 'CAUSE CREATIVE CREATURE WAS THERE JUST DOWN THE STREET WHEN, UM, IT SHARED, WELL, ACTUALLY RIGHT HERE WITH URBAN, DID THEY HAVE A LICENSE AT THE TIME? YES.
THEY WERE APPROPRIATELY LICENSED THROUGH A, B, C AS A TYPE 23 SMALL BEER MANUFACTURER.
SO WHEN YOU SAY SIX, DID THAT INCLUDE CREATIVE CREATURE? WE PULLED THOSE AUTHORIZATIONS, UH, FOR THIS REPORT.
AND SO THAT IS A CURRENT POINT IN TIME.
SO, SO WHAT I'M SAYING, IF WE WERE TO GO BACK FOUR MONTHS, THERE USED TO BE SEVEN IF YOU INCLUDE CREATIVE CREATURE, THEN THEY HAD TO MOVE BECAUSE OF THE NEW RESTAURANT, IT WENT DOWN TO SIX.
NOW WE'RE REALLY JUST GOING BACK UP TO, I THINK IF I'M UNDERSTANDING THIS CORRECTLY, TO THE SEVEN THAT WE HAD BEFORE.
AND, AND, AND THAT, I THINK CREATIVE CREATURE WAS AROUND WHEN COUNCIL ASKED TO HAVE TWO ADDITIONAL ONES.
SO I'M JUST THINKING, WE'RE JUST BASICALLY RESTORING WHAT THEY HAD, YOU KNOW, FIVE MONTHS AGO, SIX MONTHS AGO.
AND, AND ALSO, UM, EVEN THOUGH THEY, THEY DON'T MAKE FOOD THERE, THEY HAVE AN ARRANGEMENT WITH OTHER RESTAURANTS IN THE COMMUNITY WHERE THEY DELIVER THE FOOD THERE, PEOPLE WANT TO HAD IT.
AND THAT WAS THE SAME WAY IT WAS WHEN THEY WERE SADDLED WITH URBAN.
UM, I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT WERE SADDLED WHEN THEY LEFT.
SO ADDITIONALLY, THEY'RE OPEN UNTIL 10 O'CLOCK.
IT'S NOT UNTIL ONE O'CLOCK OR TWO O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING.
SO, YEAH, I'M EXCITED ABOUT THAT.
BUT AS FAR AS THE SIGNAGE, WE DIDN'T REALLY TALK ABOUT THAT.
I KNOW WE WANNA MAKE IT MORE VIBRANT.
WHAT ARE THEY GONNA DO TO ATTRACT PEOPLE IN THERE IS LIGHTING AND SIGNAGE.
WHAT DO WE GOT? THE DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN PROVIDES FOR ALL THE SIGNAGE AUTHORIZATIONS.
THEY CAN HAVE WALL SIGNS, UH, THEY COULD HAVE SIGNAGE ON THEIR, UH, THEIR FENCING FOR THE OUTDOOR DINING AREA UNDER LIMITED, UM, CIRCUMSTANCES.
BUT GENERALLY IT WILL BE THE SAME AS EVERY, UH, OTHER BUSINESS LOCATED IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA.
OH, NO, I KNOW THEY COULD HAVE IT, BUT I WAS JUST WONDERING IF THEY HAD AN IDEA JUST FOR FREE KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT THEY HAD.
UH, THE APPLICANT IS HERE AND CAN SPEAK TO THAT IF, IF, UH, THE COMMISSIONER WOULD LIKE.
THEN, MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I MAY, JUST TO FURTHER CLARIFY ON THAT QUESTION FROM COMMISSIONER MOROSE, UM, THE URBAN, UH, WAS TECHNIC.
IT'S IN A DIFFERENT CENSUS TRACT.
UM, THE, THE OTHER ITEM TO CLARIFY IS REALLY FROM A STAFF PERSPECTIVE, WE LOOK AT THESE ON AN ESTABLISHMENT BY ESTABLISHMENT LOCATION.
SO IF YOU HAVE A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT THAT'S AUTHORIZED FOR A CERTAIN TYPE OF ALCOHOL SALES, IF, UM, IF SOMEONE CAME IN AND WANTED TO ADD, FOR INSTANCE, UM, LIKE AT THE JUNCTION BAR A, UH, CATERING LICENSE, IF IT HAS THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IN PLACE, UH, WE WOULDN'T SEE THAT AS AN INTENSIFICATION OF USE BECAUSE WE'VE ALREADY AUTHORIZED THAT LOCATION.
SO, UM, ESSENTIALLY FOR URBAN, IT WAS AUTHORIZED AS A, UH, BREWERY.
AND SO SINCE IT WAS AUTHORIZED BY THAT CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, IF THEY WANTED TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, A BREWERY IN THE FRONT AND A BREWERY IN THE BACK WITH DIFFERENT LICENSES, THAT'S STILL WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF THAT CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
OKAY, SO LET'S, UH, OPEN PUBLIC HEARING.
UH, I'LL BE THE OCCUPANT AND THE OWNER.
UM, SO TO YOUR QUESTION ABOUT THE, UH, LIGHTING, YES, BIG SIGNAGE, VERY WELL LIT.
UM, CONFORMING TO ALL THE BUILDING CODE OF COURSE, BUT IT WILL BE A LIGHT BRIGHT PLACE TO DRAW FOLKS IN, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU HAVE THINGS GOING ON OVER HERE AT MAGNOLIA.
IT'S GONNA BE A GREAT OPTION FOR PEOPLE TO COME IN A LITTLE MORE, UM, TIGHT ATMOSPHERE, I WOULD SAY, THAN SOME OF THE OTHER OPTIONS.
IT'S NOT A BIG MASSIVE SPACE, SO IT'LL BE A LITTLE MORE INTIMATE.
UM, KIND OF A COOL KIND OF HIPSTER TYPE VIBE.
MORE, UM, MORE LIKE A DOWNTOWN FIFTH STREET, SAN DIEGO TYPE VIBE.
UM, LOTS OF GREENERY, VERY MODERN, UH, BUILD OUT.
NO, THAT WAS REALLY MY QUESTION.
I MEAN, IT, IT'S GREAT TO HAVE BARS, BUT YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES YOUR BAR IS LIKE A
IT'S LIKE NOBODY WANTS DARK AND I DON'T THINK THAT WAS THE VISION OF THE CITY COUNCIL, BUT, YOU KNOW, HAVING SOMETHING LIKE THIS AND THEN HAVING LIGHTING, IT DRAWS PEOPLE IN TO KEEP THEM HERE.
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GOOD TO KNOW AND, AND A CHANGING THEME, HENCE THE NAME THE EVER BAR.SO WE'RE GONNA ACTUALLY HAVE CHANGING THEMES BASED ON THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON, AND THAT'LL INCLUDE LIGHTING AND IT'S GONNA BE PRETTY CREATIVE.
HAVE YOU, UH, MR. STONE, HAVE YOU READ THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL? UH, YES, AND I ACCEPT IT.
DO YOU AGREE WITH THAT? YEAH, I AGREE.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS, I KNOW THAT YOU, YOU'VE GOT IT TILL 10:00 PM BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I, I'VE BEEN TO A LOT OF SHOWS AT THE MAGNOLIA, THEY GET OUT AROUND NINE 30, SOMETIMES 10, AND THEN THE WHOLE PLACE IS A GHOST TOWN.
YOU CAN'T GO, IF YOU WANT TO GO HAVE A BEER AFTER A CONCERT OR HANG OUT WITH FRIENDS, THERE'S NOWHERE TO GO.
SO I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW HOW IN STONE YOUR HOURS ARE, BUT, YOU KNOW, NIGHT AT CONCERTS, I'D HAVE A COUPLE PEOPLE OVER THERE SAYING, HEY, YOU KNOW, FIRST DRINK HALF OFF, COME IN, WE'RE OPEN TILL, YOU KNOW, MAYBE 1130 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
WE'RE NOT ABLE TO DRAW PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, AFTER THE FACT.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE CONSIDERED, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT THEIR SCHEDULE AND MAYBE DOING SOMETHING TO ENTICE PEOPLE TO COME, COME INTO YOUR PLACE.
I WOULD LOVE TO EXTEND THE HOURS, ESPECIALLY WHEN THERE'S EVENTS GOING ON, THAT WOULD BE NO PROBLEM AT ALL.
IS THAT A PROBLEM, SETH? YEAH, THERE IS A PROPOSED CONDITION OF APPROVAL TO REQUIRE A MINOR AMENDMENT FOR, UH, TO THE CUP FOR, UH, AN EXTENSION OF THE HOURS.
NORMALLY THAT SORT OF CHANGE MIGHT REQUIRE A FULL AMENDMENT, UH, AND A HEARING BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION, BUT WE FELT THAT IT'D BE APPROPRIATE TO SORT OF LOWER, UH, THE REQUIRED PROCESSING LEVEL TO, TO FACILITATE, UH, CHANGING BUSINESS CONDITIONS.
LET ME ASK YOU THIS, IF WE WANTED TO INCLUDE THAT IN THE RESOLUTION TONIGHT, UH, MAYBE SAY SOMETHING LIKE, UM, ALLOWING THE ESTABLISHMENT TO STAY OPEN AT, AT 1130 DURING CONCERT NIGHTS.
IS THAT SOMETHING WE COULD HANDLE TONIGHT OR WOULD WE JUST BE GUMMING UP THE WHOLE OPERATION? THE PLANNING COMMISSION COULD READ THAT INTO THE RESOLUTION IF THEY SO DESIRE.
WOULD THAT MAKE YOUR TILL MIDNIGHT WOULD BE GREAT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS YOU HAVE, MR. STONE? OKAY.
ALRIGHT, I, I, I CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING.
MOTION BE COMMISSIONER SOLE SECOND BY COMMISSIONER CIRCLE, PLEASE VOTE.
AND MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE A MEMBERS PRESENT.
WELL SINCE I, UH, WANNA MAKE SOME CHANGES, DO YOU MIND IF I MAKE THE MOTION? NO, GO AHEAD.
ALRIGHT, SO I, I MOVE TO ADOPT THE NEXT RESOLUTION.
ORDER APPROVING CUP 2 0 2 5 DASH 0 0 6 SUBJECT TO CONDITION WITH AN AMENDMENT TO ALLOW ESTABLISHMENT TO STAY OPEN LATER.
UM, LET'S SAY 11:30 PM ON CONCERT NIGHTS.
UH, DO YOU HAVE A, I SECOND IT.
UH, DOES THAT, DOES THAT WORK FOR STAFF? STAFF IS OKAY WITH THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT? THE ONLY THING THAT I WOULD CLARIFY WAS I, I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT, UH, HAD SAID, UM, MIDNIGHT JUST BEFORE THAT.
I MEAN, YEAH, NO, I WAS, I WAS THINKING ABOUT THAT TOO.
YEAH, LET'S, LET'S MAKE IT FOR MIDNIGHT.
AND THIS WAS ON CONCERT NIGHTS? YEAH.
I MEAN, YOU'VE GOT OTHER EVENTS TOO THAT TAKE PLACE, LIKE THE HALLOWEEN EVENT.
YOU KNOW, HE JUST HAD THE MAIN STREET EVENT.
YEAH, I MEAN, JUST I WOULD SAY ON EVENT NIGHTS.
UH, WHY LIVE IN IT TO EVENT NIGHTS? YEAH.
WHAT, WHAT ARE YOU THINKING? THAT IF YOU WANT TO KEEP IT OPEN TILL MIDNIGHT, JUST KEEP IT OPEN TILL MIDNIGHT.
THAT WAY HE DOESN'T HAVE TO NAVIGATE.
IS THERE AN EVENT? WHAT CONSTITUTES AN EVENT? THERE'S A BUNCH OF PEOPLE WALKING DOWN.
WE'LL START, START ALL OVER AGAIN.
MY MOTION IS TO EXTEND NIGHTS TO 12:00 PM IF SO, OWNER DESIRES AM AM AM.
THERE WE GO AGAIN TILL THE NEXT MORNING.
ALRIGHT, I DETO EVERYTHING THAT HAS BEEN SAID AND I SECOND THE MOTION.
UH, MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER ROSE, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER SOLE, PLEASE VOTE.
AND MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF MEMBERS PRESENT.
CONGRATULATIONS,
I GOT A GOOD FEELING ABOUT IT.
ALL, ANY, UH, ANY OTHER ITEMS OR CONSIDERATION? UH, NO ADDITIONAL ITEMS FROM STAFF? NO.
AND, UH, STAFF COMMUNICATIONS? NONE.
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REPORTS OR COMMENTS? DON'T HAVE REPORTS, BUT, UH, UH, I WAS GONNA ASK ABOUT A COUPLE PROJECTS THAT I'M REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO.THE CORON BUILDING BEING DONE.
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I, I SAW THE GOOGLE MAPS HAD ROOFS ON TOP.I WAS LIKE, OH, I NEED TO DRIVE BY AGAIN AND LOOK AT THE ROOFS.
UH, THEY ARE MAKING SLOW, STEADY PROGRESS.
UH, I KNOW THAT THE, UH, WHEN I WALKED BY THIS PAST WEEK, UM, THEY WERE STILL FINISHING UP, UH, WITH THEIR, UH, STUCCO, UH, BUT THE INTERIOR DRYWALL, UH, WAS GOING UP.
SO I, I JUST, I BELIEVE THEY'RE JUST WORKING WITH A SMALLER CREW AND ARE, UH, TAKING A LITTLE BIT LONGER.
UM, LET'S SEE, WHAT WAS, OH, I SAW, I'VE BEEN WATCHING, UH, THE STORAGE UNIT ON EAST MAIN.
IT LOOKS LIKE THE BUILDING IS MOSTLY DONE AND THEY'RE WORKING ON THE PARKING LOT.
DO WE HAVE AN APPROXIMATE FINISH OPEN? UH, I DON'T HAVE AN APPROXIMATE DATE, BUT I, I THINK THE, THERE WERE, WERE SOME DELAYS BECAUSE THE, THE CONTRACTOR, I BELIEVE WENT OUTTA BUSINESS AND SO IT'S UNDER NEW CONTRACT, SO.
AND THEN I SEE PEOPLE OR EARTH MOVERS ON THE BIG EMPTY LOT FOR THE HOUSING TRACT GRADING IS UNDERWAY AT THE LENNAR PROJECT AT, UH, 10 56 EAST MAIN STREET.
SO, UM, I ADJOURN THE MEETING TO JUNE 3RD, 2025 AT 7:00 PM DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.
UH, MOTION BY COMMISSIONER SOLE.
SECOND BY COMMISSIONER CIRCLE.
AND MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF MEMBERS PRESENT.