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WELCOME TO THE[ CALL TO ORDER: Mayor Bill Wells]
EL CAJON CITY COUNCIL MEETING.THE MEETING IS CALLED TO ORDER, AND I'D LIKE TO ASK OUR CITY CLERK TO PLEASE CALL THE ROLE ALL COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE PRESENT.
WOULD YOU PLEASE STAND FOR A PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE? REMAIN STANDING FOR A BRIEF MOMENT OF SILENCE.
AFTERWARDS, I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
[ POSTINGS: The City Clerk posted Orders of Adjournment of the April 8, 2025, Meeting and the Agenda of the April 22, 2025, Meeting in accordance to State Law and City Council/Housing Authority/Successor Agency to the Redevelopment Agency Policy.]
CLERK POSTED ORDERS OF ADJOURNMENT OF THE APRIL 8TH, 2025 MEETING AND THE AGENDA OF THE APRIL 22ND, 2025 MEETING IN ACCORDANCE WITH STATE LAW, CITY COUNCIL AND HOUSING AUTHORITY POLICY.[ PRESENTATIONS: Proclamation: International Firefighters' Day]
ON TODAY'S AGENDA FOR INTERNATIONAL FIREFIGHTERS DAY, AND WE WILL CHIEF CO PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM AND RECEIVE THE PROCLAMATION.AND WHILE HE'S COMING, I'M GOING TO READ THIS PROCLAMATION.
WHEREAS INTERNATIONAL FIREFIGHTERS DAY IS OBSERVED ANNUALLY ON MAY 4TH TO HONOR THE DEDICATION, BRAVERY, AND SACRIFICES OF FIREFIGHTERS WORLDWIDE.
AND WHEREAS FIREFIGHTERS PUT THEIR LIVES ON THE LINE EVERY DAY TO PROTECT COMMUNITIES, HOMES, AND THE ENVIRONMENT FROM THE DEVASTATION OF FIRES, AS WELL AS RESPOND TO OTHER EMERGENCIES WITH COURAGE AND PROFESSIONALISM.
AND WHEREAS FIREFIGHTERS DEMONSTRATE UNWAVERING COMMITMENT AND SELFLESSNESS, OFTEN WORKING UNDER CHALLENGING CONDITIONS TO ENSURE THE SAFETY AND WELLBEING OF OTHERS.
AND WHEREAS INTERNATIONAL FIREFIGHTERS DAY PROVIDES AN OPPORTUNITY FOR COMMUNITIES TO EXPRESS GRATITUDE AND APPRECIATION FOR THE INVALUABLE CONTRIBUTION OF FIREFIGHTERS TO SOCIETY.
AND WHEREAS INTERNATIONAL FIREFIGHTERS DAY HIGHLIGHTS THE EXEMPLARY COURAGE EXHIBITED BY FIREFIGHTERS AS THEY FULFILL THEIR DUTY TO SERVE AND PROTECT.
NOW, THEREFORE, I BILL WELLS MAYOR OF THE CITY OF EL CAJON, TOGETHER WITH THE CITY COUNCIL TO HEREBY PROCLAIM THE FOURTH DAY OF MAY, 2025 TO BE INTERNATIONAL FIREFIGHTERS DAY IN THE CITY OF EL CAJON.
WE CALL UPON ALL CITIZENS ORGANIZATIONS AND GOVERNMENT AGENCIES TO JOIN IN RECOGNIZING AND HONORING THE DEDICATION, BRAVERY, AND SELFLESS SERVICE OF FIREFIGHTERS WORLDWIDE.
LET US EXPRESS OUR DEEPEST GRATITUDE AND SUPPORT FOR THE HEROES WHO RISK THEIR LIVES TO KEEP OUR COMMUNITIES SAFE.
UM, WELL, THANK YOU CHIEF COE.
AND I JUST WANNA POINT OUT THAT OUR, UH, FIRE DEPARTMENT IS RECOGNIZED NATIONALLY.
IT'S, UH, I THINK I, I'M BIASED, BUT I THINK IT'S THE BEST AGENCY IN THE COUNTY.
AND, UH, WE'RE VERY PROUD OF ALL THE WORK THAT YOU DO.
PLEASE GIVE OUR BEST TO ALL THE FIREFIGHTERS UNDER YOUR COMMAND.
DOES STAFF HAVE ANY, HAVE ANY AGENDA CHANGES? MR. MAYOR? NO CHANGES TO THE AGENDA.
HOW ABOUT COUNCIL MEMBERS? NO.
[7. CONSENT ITEMS: Consent Items are routine matters enacted by one motion according to the RECOMMENDATION listed below. With the concurrence of the City Council, a Council Member or person in attendance may request discussion of a Consent Item at this time.]
ITEMS, CONSENT ITEMS OR ROUTINE MATTERS ENACTED BY ONE MOTION ACCORDING TO THE RECOMMENDATION LISTED BELOW WITH THE CONCURRENCE OF THE CITY COUNCIL, COUNCIL MEMBER OR PERSON IN ATTENDANCE MAY REQUEST DISCUSSION OF A CONSENT ITEM AT THIS TIME.COUNCIL MEMBERS, DO YOU WISH TO PULL ANY OF THE CONSENT ITEMS? ALRIGHT, STAFF? NO, SIR.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION THEN TO APPROVE THE CONSENT ITEMS. SECOND, AGAIN, PLEASE VOTE.
AND FOR THE RECORD, SIR, THERE WERE NO, UH, SPEAKER CARDS FOR CONSENT ITEMS. APPRECIATE THAT.
AND MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.
[ PUBLIC COMMENT: At this time, any person may address a matter within the jurisdiction of the City Council/Housing Authority/Successor Agency to the El Cajon Redevelopment Agency that is not on the Agenda. Comments relating to items on today’s docket are to be taken at the time the item is heard. State law prohibits discussion or action on items not on the Agenda; however, Council, Authority and Agency Members may briefly respond to statements or questions. An item may be placed on a future Agenda.]
AT THIS TIME, ANY PERSON MAY ADDRESS A MATTER WITHIN THE JURISDICTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL HOUSING AUTHORITY SUCCESSOR AGENCY TO THE ALCOHOL AND REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY IS NOT ON THE AGENDA.COMMENTS RELATING TO ITEMS ON TODAY'S AGENDA ARE TO BE TAKEN AT THE TIME THAT THE ITEM IS HEARD.
STATE LAW PROHIBITS DISCUSSION OR ACTION ON ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA.
HOWEVER, CITY COUNCIL AND HOUSING AUTHORITY MEMBERS MAY BRIEFLY RESPOND TO STATEMENTS OR QUESTIONS, AND AN ITEM MAY BE PLACED ON A FUTURE AGENDA.
ANGELA, DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? YES, SIR.
WE HAVE, UH, SO RIGHT NOW I HAVE 19 SPEAKER CARDS.
UH, THE FIRST ONE IS FROM ILKA WESTIN ICA.
YOU HAVE HEARD ME SPEAK BEFORE, AND I AM ABSOLUTELY SHOCKED AND DISGUSTED THAT I HAVE TO COME AND ADDRESS
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MAYOR WELLS.MAYOR WELLS, AND, UH, OF COURSE, ANYBODY WHO VOTED IN BRINGING ICE INTO OUR CITY.
I'M GONNA TALK TO YOU REALLY, FRANKLY, YOU MAY THINK THAT YOU'RE GONNA GET TRUMP'S ATTENTION.
YOU MAY THINK THAT IN SOME WAY BEING A REPUBLICAN IS DIFFERENT THAN, THAN BEING A PERSON OR A HUMAN.
BUT SEE, PARTY PREFERENCE HAS NO ROOM IN THIS.
BY THE WAY, COUNCIL MEMBER MITCHELL, YOU HAVE BEEN AMAZING.
SHE HAS WITNESSED A NEIGHBOR BE HARASSED.
WE JUST HAD A SOCCER DAD ARRESTED WHO IS NOT AN ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT.
THIS HAS GONE OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
AND THE HATE THAT I SEE THAT IS ON THIS SIDE REALLY DISGUST ME.
I WAS BORN AND RAISED IN EL CAJON.
I HAVE SEEN EL CAJON AT ITS WORST, AND IT IS AT ITS BEST AS A LAND OF IMMIGRANTS.
TRUMP'S PLAN IS TO PUT THE POWER IN THE STATES.
SO YOUR ACTIVITY TO CRIMINALIZE CHILDREN, TO CRIMINALIZE PEOPLE THAT ARE SEEKING THEIR VISA.
AND FOR ME, AFTER BEING IN A HOSPITAL BED FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME, KNOWING THAT I HAVE TO BE HERE BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT THINKING, YOU'RE NOT LOGICAL.
YOU ARE OVERWORKING OUR EL CAJON POLICE DEPARTMENT, WHICH IS UNDER CARED FOR AND UNDERSTAFFED AND SHOULD HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH ICE, COVERING UP THEIR FACES AND DRAGGING PEOPLE OUT OF BUSINESSES AND ATTACKING PEOPLE.
I WAS BORN ON FLETCHER PARKWAY IN KAISER.
DOES THAT MEAN I'M EVEN MORE ENTITLED? HELL NO.
AND THE PEOPLE WE HAVE SEEN THAT HAVE BEEN ATTACKED ARE INNOCENT VICTIMS. CHILDREN GETTING PICKED UP FROM SCHOOLS THAT SHOULD NEVER BE BROUGHT INTO THIS.
WE DON'T WANNA SMIRK ON YOUR FACE.
DO YOU WANT ME TO GIVE YOU THE REPUBLICAN SALUTE?
AND THAT IS SOMETHING WE DON'T CONDONE IN GERMANY.
AND YOU KNOW WHAT? MY FAMILY DIED IN CONCENTRATION CAMPS.
AND WHAT YOU'RE DOING RIGHT NOW IS WE'RE GONNA SEE INTERNMENT CAMPS.
BUT YOUR POPULARITY FROM HAVING A FLOURISHING CITY IS GONNA GO DOWN BECAUSE YOU HAVE SCARED YOUR RESIDENTS.
AND I AM NOT IMPRESSED, AND WE WILL NOT STOP FIGHTING.
WELL, UH, I WANNA TALK ABOUT HOW WE GOT HERE.
HOW DID WE GET HERE? NOW, PHIL, I REMEMBER THE DAY THAT ME AND YOU SPOKE ON THE PHONE, AND, UH, YOU WERE PRETTY OPEN WITH ME, AND I WAS REALLY HOPEFUL AT THE END OF THAT CONVERSATION THAT YOU WOULD RECONSIDER YOUR STANCE FROM THAT FIRST VOTE.
SHORTLY AFTER I SENT YOU AN EMAIL TO REVISE THAT RESOLUTION, TO GIVE US SOME WIGGLE AND TO GIVE US SOME HOPE.
AND THEN YOU REPLIED TO ME, AND I QUOTE, RECEIVED, AND I RECEIVED YOUR TEXT AS WELL.
I'M SWAMPED UNTIL THURSDAY, APOLOGIES TO WHICH I RESPONDED.
AND I QUOTE PHIL, THE VOTE IS TOMORROW.
THAT MOMENT TOLD ME EVERYTHING ABOUT HOW THIS WAS GONNA GO DOWN.
AND THAT GUYS IS HOW WE GOT HERE.
THE PRIMARY ROLE OF A COUNCIL MEMBER IS TO CAREFULLY WEIGH THE IMPLICATIONS OF POLICY, ESPECIALLY WHEN THOSE POLICIES HARM FAMILIES.
IT WAS CLEAR TO ME, AND IT WAS CLEAR TO MANY OTHERS THAT THIS RESOLUTION WAS HARMFUL.
WE TRUSTED YOU, PHIL, TO HAVE DISCERNMENT, TO RECOGNIZE THAT WE TRUSTED YOU TO LEAD WITH YOUR HEART
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AND PUT YOUR COMMUNITY FIRST.BUT ON FEBRUARY 11TH, PHIL, YOU BROKE THAT TRUST AGAIN.
YOU SHOWED THAT YOUR ALLEGIANCE TO TRUMP STYLE RESOLUTIONS WAS MORE IMPORTANT TO YOU THAN THE WELLBEING OF THE PEOPLE.
AND IN DOING SO, YOU BETRAYED US.
YOU BETRAYED A LARGE POPULATION, A LARGE IMMIGRANT COMMUNITY HERE.
AND IT IS VERY CLEAR NOW THAT WE HAVE A SPLIT REPUBLICAN GOVERNMENT, WE HAVE CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICANS, AND WE HAVE MAGA REPUBLICANS AND THIS CURRENT ADMINISTRATION, THERE'S NO ROOM, THERE'S NO ROOM FOR ANYONE ELSE THAT WILL NOT PLEDGE A HARDCORE ALLIANCE AND ALLEGIANCE TO TRUMPISM.
YOUR ACTIONS, PHIL, ARE A DIRECT REFLECTION OF THAT ALLEGIANCE.
AND I SAY THIS IN POLITICS, WE HAVE TO ERADICATE THAT TYPE OF CANCER BEFORE IT SPREADS AND BEFORE IT GOES UP.
AND FOR THAT REASON, COUNCIL MEMBER PHIL ORTIZ FROM DISTRICT FOUR.
DUE TO YOUR BETRAYAL, YOU HAVE OFFICIALLY BEEN SERVED WITH THE PETITION FOR A RECALL.
AND I'M GONNA FINISH THIS OFF FILM BECAUSE I THINK YOUR RESIGNATION WOULD ACTUALLY BE COOL AS A GOOD WAY FOR REDEMPTION.
BUT IF YOU DON'T, I WILL TELL YOU THIS.
IF YOU WANNA STAY IN POLITICS, A RECALL IS POLITICAL SUICIDE.
I'M A RESIDENT, UM, FROM EL CAJON FOR OVER 35 YEARS.
PHIL, UH, I JUST WANT TO TELL YOU AND I, I, I TOTALLY SUPPORT WHAT MY, UM, FRIEND
YOU ARE A SHAME FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
YOU HAVE BETRAYS WHEN YOU APPROVE THE RESOLUTION.
AT THAT TIME, I ASK PEOPLE, WHY DO YOU VOTE FOR PHIL ORTIZ? OH, BECAUSE HE'S LATINO.
AND I SAY, WELL, THIS IS WHAT LATINO MEANS FOR HIM.
AND AT THAT TIME, THE RESOLUTION, IT WAS TO SUPPORT THE MASS DEPORTATIONS.
AND AT THIS TIME, WE ARE WORKING WITH ONE GOAL TO TAKE YOU OUT OF THE SEAT.
YES, CHRIS FORD, PHIL ORTIZ, IN HIS CAPACITY AS A MEMBER OF THE EL CAJON CITY COUNCIL, THROUGH HIS ACTIONS, HAS PROVEN, PROVEN HIMSELF CAPABLE OF EXTREME EMBARRASSMENT.
BUT HE DOES NOT SHOULDER THAT EMBARRASSMENT ALONE.
WHEN HE SUPPORTS A DANGEROUS PUBLIC RESOLUTION, HE DOES SO AT THE EXPENSE OF BOTH HIS REPUTATION AND OUR CITIES.
WHEN HE PUBLISHES HIS INTENT TO ALIGN WITH ICE, AN ENTITY MARRED BY SHAMEFUL ABUSES AND CORRUPT POLICIES, HE DOES SO IN FRONT OF THE ENTIRE WORLD.
HE DECLARES TO THE WORLD THAT HE PASSED.
PRESENT AND FUTURE HARM BY FOLLOWING INNOCENT PEOPLE IS NOT HIS CONCERN.
AND WHILE PHIL ORTIZ MAY ADMIT TO SOME FUTURE EMBARRASSMENT, HE WILL NOT SHARE IN THE HARM HE HAS INFLICTED ON THE PEOPLE OF EL CAJON.
HE WILL NOT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT SHOWING UP TO WORK.
HE WILL NOT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT TAKING HIS CHILDREN TO SCHOOL.
HE WILL NOT BEAR THE EXISTENTIAL DREAD MEMBERS OF THIS COMMUNITY HAVE TO FACE EVERY SINGLE DAY.
AT A FEBRUARY CITY COUNCIL SESSION THIS YEAR, PHIL ORTIZ SAT IN THAT CHAIR AND WAX POETIC ABOUT OUR LAWS BEING THE ENVY OF THE WORLD.
WHILE THE SAME SENTENCE VOICES DISDAIN FOR SB 54, AN ESTABLISHED CALIFORNIA LAW TESTED BY THE FEDERAL COURTS, A LAW MEANT TO PREVENT, EXCUSE ME, PREVENT THE MENT OF STATE POLICE WITH FEDERAL AUTHORITIES SUCH AS ICE.
HE AND THE ENTIRE COUNCIL WERE WARNED ABOUT.
THE ABUSES ICE HAS, IS AND CONTINUES TO ENGAGE IN THE RECKLESS HARASSMENT, DETAINMENT
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AND DEPORTATION OF NOT JUST AMERICAN CITIZENS, NOT JUST HARMLESS TOURISTS, BUT INNOCENT PEOPLES WITH NO CRIMINAL RECORD.MR. ORTIZ, IF YOU ADMIRE OUR LAWS SO MUCH, THEN WHERE IS YOUR OUTRAGE? AT THE BLATANT DISREGARD OF DUE PROCESS, THE VERY FOUNDATION OF OUR LEGAL SYSTEM, BY SEEKING TO CIRCUMVENT SB 54, YOU HAVE FAILED IN UPHOLDING THE CITY CODE OF ETHICS AND CONDUCT BY SEEKING TO CO-SPONSOR A BILL THAT AT THE TIME DIDN'T EVEN HAVE OFFICIAL TEXT.
YOU HAVE FAILED IN YOUR DUE DILIGENCE BY PUBLICLY INVITING SOME OF THE WORST ELEMENTS OF THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION TO OUR CITY.
YOU HAVE FAILED AS A STEWARD OF EL CAJON.
HI, JOANNA BENAVIDEZ HERE AGAIN.
I'VE BEEN HERE BEFORE FOR THIS POLITICAL CIRCUS.
FOR SOME REASON, I HAVE WITNESSED YOU VOTE ON THE SAME ISSUE THREE TIMES.
THAT'S A DELIBERATE CIRCUMVENTION OF THE DEMOCRATIC PROCESS.
AND SINCE YOU DON'T LISTEN TO FACTS OR EVEN PERSONAL ANECDOTES OF TRAUMA, I JUST HAVE QUESTIONS.
SO WHAT KIND OF MAN ENTRUSTED TO REPRESENT HIS COMMUNITY SELLS OUT FOR POLITICAL THEATER? ORTIZ, A SELF-PROCLAIMED LATINO LEADER, LEADER ANSWERED THAT QUESTION WHEN HE VOTED TO FORCE OUR ESTEEMED, TRAINED AND CERTIFIED POLICE TO COLLABORATE WITH RENTA COPS FROM THE PRIVATE COMPANY THAT CONTRACTS WITH ICE GEO GROUP, WHICH THE PRESIDENT IS MAKING A PROFIT FROM.
HE TARGETED THE VERY FAMILIES HE SWORE PR TO PROTECT FOR THREE HOURS, MOTHERS, PASTORS, CHILDREN, SPIRITUAL LEADERS, TEACHERS AND COMBAT VETERANS BEGGED ORTIZ TO REJECT THIS CRUELTY.
THEY WARNED HIM ABOUT CHILDREN, FEARING THEIR PARENTS WON'T COME HOME FROM SCHOOL AND CITED EMPIRIC OR COME HOME.
AND THEY CITED EMPIRICAL DATA SHOWING ICE RAIDS, TERRORIZED COMMUNITIES AND CHILDREN, NOT CRIMINALS.
YET, AFTER SECRET MEETINGS WITH TRUMP ALLIES, HE SOLD OUT HIS DISTRICT'S 35% LATINO POPULATION AND SIGNED MY OWN AND MY FAMILY'S VULNERABILITY INTO LAW.
ORTIZ CLAIMS HIS MEXICAN ANCESTRY JUSTIFIES PARTNERING WITH AN AGENCY THAT CAGES ASYLUM SEEKERS, INCLUDING CHILDREN.
HE DISMISSES THE ECHOES OF HISTORY, LITERALLY SCOFFING AT WARNINGS THAT EL CAJONS ETHNIC COM COMMUNITIES NOW VIEW POLICE FEAR FEARFULLY WHAT PRIVILEGE THAT IS.
FAMILIES ARE CANCELING DOCTOR'S APPOINTMENTS, SMALL BUSINESSES INCLUDING YOURS, ORTIZ ARE LOSING REVENUE.
TRUST HAS CRUMBLED, UNREST IS FELT.
AND WE'VE SEEN THIS BEFORE, MEN WHO ABANDON COURAGE FOR PERCEIVED POWER.
WE HAVE RECALL PETITIONS, WE HAVE FREEDOM OF ASSEMBLY, AND WE HAVE LAWSUITS FIGHTING ALL THIS RACISM.
THE STATE AUDITOR, THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE, THE DA, AND THE ATTORNEY GENERAL HAVE ALL ACCEPTED MY SUBMITTED COMPLAINTS.
HISTORY WILL ASK ONE FINAL QUESTION.
WHAT KIND OF PEOPLE STOOD BY AND LET THIS HAPPEN? HMM.
IT'S NEVER GONNA BE ME, NOT US.
HE'S A DANGER TO OUR YOUTH LATINO COMMUNITY.
AND I HAVE ONE MORE THING I'D LIKE YOU TO HEAR.
THIS IS A PREGNANT WOMAN BEING APPREHENDED BY ICE.
YOU CAN, YOU CAN PUNCH UP TRACY PHIL.
GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR WELLS AND THE REST OF THE COUNCIL.
MY NAME IS TRACY TILL, AND I'M SPEAKING TODAY AS A PRIVATE CITIZEN.
I AM NOT HERE IN MY ROLE AS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL.
AND MY WORDS DO NOT REPRESENT ANY GOVERNING BODY I SERVE ON.
I'M HERE AS A MOM, AN EAST COUNTY RESIDENT, AND SOMEONE WHO IS SICK AND TIRED OF WATCHING.
GOOD PEOPLE BE TARGETED FOR DOING THE RIGHT THING.
LET ME CUT TO THE CHASE THE IDEA OF RECALLING COUNCIL MEMBER.
COUNCIL MEMBER PHIL ORTIZ IS OUTRAGEOUS, DISHONEST, AND FRANKLY DANGEROUS.
PHIL HAS SAID A FEW TIMES, IF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT SHUT DOWN TODAY, WE WOULDN'T FEEL THOSE EFFECTS FOR DAYS OR EVEN WEEKS.
BUT IF OUR LOCAL GOVERNMENT SHUT DOWN, WE WOULD EXPERIENCE THE CONSEQUENCES IMMEDIATELY.
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IS WHERE THE RUBBER MEETS THE ROAD.IT IS WHERE DECISIONS ARE MADE THAT IMPACT OUR DAILY LIVES.
PHIL UNDERSTANDS THAT THAT'S WHY HE, ALONGSIDE WITH MAYOR BILL WELLS, AND THIS COUNCIL RECENTLY VOTED TO WORK WITH ICE AND FEDERAL OFFICIALS WITH REGARD TO VIOLENT CRIMINAL, NON-CITIZENS IN OUR COMMUNITY.
VIOLENT CRIMINALS, NOT MOMS TRYING TO MAKE A BETTER LIFE, NOT KIDS CROSSING THE BORDER.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT INDIVIDUALS CONVICTED OF CRIMES, SOME WITH SERIOUS AND VIOLENT RECORDS.
AND SOMEHOW YOU HAVE PEOPLE OUT HERE TRYING TO PAINT PHIL AS THE VILLAIN.
WHAT PHIL AND THIS COUNCIL DID WAS PUT THE SAFETY OF EL CAJON RESIDENTS FIRST.
YOU STOOD UP NOT JUST FOR THE CITY, BUT FOR ALL OF EAST COUNTY.
AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, FOR OUR CHILDREN, THAT VOTE SENT A MESSAGE.
WE WILL NOT BE BULLIED, WE WILL NOT BE INTIMIDATED, AND WE WILL NOT SACRIFICE PUBLIC SAFETY ON THE ALTAR OF POLITICAL CORRECTNESS.
AND PHIL ORTIZ, HE DIDN'T FLINCH.
HE STOOD HIS GROUND WITH CONVICTION, WITH CLARITY, AND WITH THE KIND OF COURAGE WE DESPERATELY NEED MORE OF IN PUBLIC OFFICE TODAY.
HE IS THE KIND OF ELECTED OFFICIAL WHO LISTENS, WHO LEADS AND WHO FIGHTS LIKE HECK FOR THE PEOPLE HE REPRESENTS.
THIS RECALL EFFORT, IT'S NOT ABOUT JUSTICE, IT'S ABOUT REVENGE.
AND WE ARE NOT GONNA STAND FOR IT.
AND NOT ONLY THAT, I GREW UP WITH THE LORDES.
WE WENT TO HIGH SCHOOL TOGETHER.
THE RESOLUTION WAS ONLY TO GET VIOLENT CRIMINALS, RAPISTS, AND MURDERERS.
YOU GUYS ARE HERE, YOU'RE HERE FOR THAT.
HE HAS DONE AMAZING THINGS FOR THE CITY OF EL CAJON, FOUR YEARS, AND WE ABSOLUTELY NEED TO KEEP HIM ON THE CITY COUNCIL.
I'M VERY SAD TO SEE THAT THE RHETORIC AND THE DIVISION FROM CNN AND UM, M-S-N-B-C.
UH, I'M, I'M SHOCKED TO SEE THAT THIS IS PENETRATING THIS ROOM SO MUCH FOR SUCH A GOOD MAN.
I JUST SPOKE WITH TWO OFFICERS RIGHT OUTSIDE THE DOOR, AND I ASKED HIM TO YOUR COMMENT.
I SAID, ARE YOU OVERWORKED WORKING WITH ICE RIGHT NOW? HE SAID, WE DON'T WORK WITH ICE.
THEY DON'T WORK WITH ICE AT ALL.
THEY DON'T WORK WITH ICE AT ALL.
SO YOU GUYS ARE SITTING HERE TELLING PEOPLE THAT OUR POLICE FORCE IS OVERWORKED AND UNDERPAID AND THAT THEY'RE IN DANGER BECAUSE OUR CITY COUNCIL TOLD THEM THEY HAVE TO WORK WITH ICE.
AND THEY DON'T, THEY'RE NOT WORKING TO DEPORT ANYBODY.
SO YOU'RE OUT HERE SPREADING BLATANT LIES JUST LIKE THE MEDIA, FOX AND CNN THAT YOU SAY YOU HATE AND YOU'RE CAUSING MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF DIVISION AND YOU'RE DOING HORRIBLE THINGS.
YOU SHOULD ACTUALLY BE WORKING TO REFORM IMMIGRATION POLICY IF IT'S SO CLOSE TO YOUR HEART.
SO I JUST, I ASK YOU TODAY TO REALLY, I DON'T KNOW, REALLY LOOK AT WHERE YOU'RE GETTING YOUR INFORMATION FROM BECAUSE IT'S ALL WRONG.
AND THIS IS A REALLY GOOD MAN, A GOOD FAMILY MAN, A GOOD COUNCILMAN SERVING ON ONE OF THE BEST IN CALIFORNIA, AND YOU'RE VERY LUCKY TO BE IN THEIR PRESENCE.
NEXT SPEAKER, IT'S STEVE, UH, JOE DIANCA.
UH, I AM HERE WITH THE GROUP, UH, THAT'S RECALLING COUNCIL MEMBER PHIL ORTIZ.
UM, MY COMMENTS ARE GONNA BE VERY BRIEF YET I THINK IT'S, UH, IT'S OUTRAGEOUS.
YOU HAVE, UH, DISENFRANCHISE AND AND SHOCK THE IMMIGRANT COMMUNITY IN EL CAJON AND ALSO IN DISTRICT FOUR.
I AM A RETIRED MARINE 24 AND A HALF YEAR SERVICE.
AND THIS REMINDS ME THIS IDEA OF ICE COOPERATING WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
IT REMINDS ME OF SOVIET, UH, RUSSIA.
PART OF MY FATHER'S FAMILY WAS SENT THERE.
IT'S, UH, BREAKING UP IMMIGRANT FAMILIES, PEOPLE BEING
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SNATCHED FROM THEIR WORK, UH, CAN BE FROM THEIR HOMES.MY NAME IS YUSEF MILLER, AND I'M COMPELLED TO COME HERE TODAY TO SPEAK ABOUT THE RECALL.
WHAT A WONDERFUL SOUND TO RECALL.
THE BETRAYAL THAT THE COMMUNITY FELT HAS PROPELLED ME TO COME HERE.
THE SADNESS AND THE TEARS OF MOTHERS AND THEIR CHILDREN THAT SHOW UP TO WORK THEIR WORKPLACE TO SEE IF THEIR HUSBAND OR WIFE WILL BE RELEASED FROM ICE AS THEY TAKE THEM OUT OF HERE.
THIS IS NOT AN ISSUE OF WHETHER THE COMMUNITY IS SAFE OR NOT.
THAT IS A RED HERRING, THAT IS A SMOKE SCREEN.
WE ARE TALKING ABOUT FAMILIES, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CHILDREN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WIVES AND HUSBANDS.
WE ARE TRYING TO BE PAINTED AS PRO CRIMINAL.
NO ONE WANTS PRO CRIME, BUT WE DO WANT DUE PROCESS THAT IS IN THE CONSTITUTION.
THE ONLY THING WE'RE ASKING FOR IS A CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT FOR PEOPLE TO HAVE DUE PROCESS.
AND THE CONSTITUTION SAYS WHETHER YOU ARE A CITIZEN OR NON-CITIZEN.
SO THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT FOR US TO EVEN BE ENTERTAINING THIS.
BUT WE HAVE PEOPLE WITH AGENDAS.
WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO ARE TRYING TO KISS THE RING, AND THAT RING HAS HARMED FAMILIES.
SOME GOOD MAN HAS SIGNED A PAPER TO TEAR CHILDREN AWAY FROM THEIR PARENTS.
SOME GOOD MAN HAS DESTROYED FAMILIES.
SOME GOOD MAN HAS TAKEN INNOCENT PEOPLE AND SENT THEM TO CONCENTRATION CAMPS AND IN DETENTION CENTERS.
NO, I DON'T FEEL PROUD TO BE ANYBODY'S, UH, UH, PRESENCE THAT HAS DONE SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
WE'RE HERE TO SPEAK FOR THE INNOCENT.
WE'RE HERE TO SPEAK FOR THE FAMILY.
WE ARE NOT HERE TO SPEAK FOR CRIMINALS.
WE CAN'T BE PAINTED AS PRO CRIME.
AND PLEASE DON'T FALL FOR THAT.
PLEASE DON'T SHY AWAY FROM THAT.
PLEASE DON'T COWARD TO THAT LABEL.
THAT LABEL SHOULD MISS YOU BECAUSE WE ARE HERE AS THE PEOPLE.
WE ARE HERE AS THE CITIZENS, AND WE ARE HERE TO SPEAK UP FOR THE CONSTITUTION AND FOR THE RIGHTS OF THOSE PEOPLE WHO FALL UNDER IT.
WITHIN THE CONTINENTAL UNITED STATES.
AND AS BROTHERS AND SISTERS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THEIR FAMILIES AND HOW IT IMPACTED THEIR FAMILIES BEFORE, AND WE'RE SEEING A REINTRODUCTION INTRODUCTION OF THAT TYPE OF LIVING.
TODAY, WHEN THEY DID THE FUGITIVE SLAVE ACT, BLACK PEOPLE WERE RUNNING AND HIDING AND SCARED.
BLACK PEOPLE, WHETHER THEY WERE ENSLAVED OR NOT, THEY WERE RUNNING AND HIDING.
THEY HAD TO RUN AND, AND ASK FOR PEOPLE TO TAKE CARE OF THEM.
ASK FOR CITY MEMBERS AND COUNCIL MEMBERS TO LOOK OUT FOR THEM BECAUSE THERE WAS A BORDER THAT THEY SAID THEY COULDN'T CROSS.
AND THAT WAS THE MASON DIXON LINE.
SO AS THEY SEE OUR LATINO BROTHERS AND SISTERS IN THEIR FAMILY AND OUR, OUR INDIGENOUS BROTHERS AND SISTERS SEE OUR LATINO BROTHERS AND SISTERS IN THEIR FAMILY, I SEE MY LATINO BROTHERS AND SISTERS IN MY FAMILY.
AND WHAT HAS HAPPENED IN THIS SO-CALLED LEGAL PROCESS, IT IS ANTI-DEMOCRATIC.
IT IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL, AND YOU SHOULD STAY AWAY FROM IT.
WHAT A WONDERFUL SOUND NEXT SPEAKER.
IT'S RJ LU LUI PAUL, I GUESS TO FOLLOW THAT UP.
HEY, GOOD AFTERNOON, COMRADES.
APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S COMMENTS.
MY NAME IS REVEREND RJ LUCCHESE AND I'M HERE IN SUPPORT OF RECALLING PHIL ORTIZ.
OF COURSE, MANY OF US HERE IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS ARE AWARE OF THE RECENT RIGHT WING PROVOCATIONS OF THE MAJORITY OF THIS COUNCIL.
BUT TO REMIND THE CHAMBERS, BOTH ANTI-IMMIGRANT AND ANTI-FREE SPEECH MEASURES HAVE BEEN PASSED BY THE MAJORITY OF THIS COUNCIL JUST WITHIN THE LAST COUPLE MONTHS.
AND DESPITE WHAT DISHONEST POLITICIANS WILL TELL YOU WHAT THEY'RE QUOTED, BOTH MEASURES HAVE THE FULL INTENT TO INTIMIDATE THREAT AND, AND TARGET OUR COMMUNITY RIGHT HERE, SIGNIFICANT IMMIGRANT AND MUSLIM COMMUNITIES RIGHT HERE IN EL CAJON.
AND AS SUCH, THESE MEN DO NOT ACTUALLY REPRESENT THE COMMUNITY, BUT THEY STAND IN OPPOSITION TO THE PEOPLE THEY CLAIM TO SERVE.
BOTH RECENT MEASURES PUT FORTH BY THIS COUNCIL AND PHIL ORTIZ HIMSELF GIVES US NOTHING MORE THAN AN EXTREMELY UNPOPULAR, XENOPHOBIC AND QUITE FRANKLY, RACIST AGENDA.
ALL IN AN EFFORT TO ADVANCE YOUR OWN POLITICAL CAREERS.
WHAT'S GOING ON, GUYS? BUT THERE ARE CONSEQUENCES TO THESE PROVOCATIONS.
AND ENDING THE POLITICAL CAREER OF PHIL ORTIZ BEFORE IT EVEN STARTS IS STEP ONE IN THAT COMMUNITY RESPONSE.
AND AS AN ORDAINED CLERGY PERSON WHO SPENT THEIR ENTIRE LIFE IN CHRISTIAN MINISTRY, I AM EXTREMELY DISAPPOINTED.
I'M OFFENDED, BUT NOT AT ALL SURPRISED THAT MANY OF YOU LEAN ON YOUR OWN CHRISTIAN FAITH
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TO JUSTIFY THESE DANGEROUS AGENDAS AGAINST YOUR NEIGHBORS IN YOUR OWN COMMUNITY, APPLICABLE TO MANY OF YOU AT THE COUNCIL.BUT AGAIN, SPEAKING DIRECTLY TO YOU, PHIL, PASTOR PHIL, YES, PASTOR.
HAVE YOU FORGOTTEN THE WORDS OF JESUS? DO YOU REJECT THE GOSPEL OF CHRIST JESUS HIMSELF IN MATTHEW 25? READ YOUR BIBLES, YOU THAT ARE ACCURSED, DEPART FROM ME INTO THE ETERNAL FIRE PREPARED FOR THE DEVIL AND HIS ANGELS.
FOR I WAS HUNGRY AND YOU GAVE ME NO FOOD.
I WAS THIRSTY, AND YOU GAVE ME NO DRINK.
I TELL YOU, JUST AS YOU DID TO THE LEAST OF THESE, YOU DID TO ME.
RECALL, FILL ORTIZ AND JOIN THE FIGHT TO ORGANIZE YOUR COMMUNITY.
ALL OF THE PEOPLE WHO CAME OUT ON A TUESDAY TO SPEAK TRUTH TO THE CITY COUNCIL, WHO OFTEN WILL SIT GLAZED EYE AND TRY TO IGNORE THE TRUTHS THAT ARE BEING SPOKEN MERE FEET AWAY FROM YOU.
SO OBVIOUSLY, TRUTH ISN'T THE WAY TO GET A MESSAGE ACROSS.
I THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO TALK ABOUT JUST OUR EXPERIENCES AND ALSO THE AUDACITY OF SOMEBODY WHO CLAIMS THAT GOVERNMENT IS THIS CRAZY AUTHORITY THAT'S DESTROYED SO MANY LIVES WHILE SIMULTANEOUSLY USING THEIR POSITION IN LOCAL GOVERNMENT TO TARGET THE MOST VULNERABLE PEOPLE IN OUR SET SOCIETY.
THE AUDACITY OF A RELIGIOUS PERSON SHELTERING THEMSELF IN THE SHEEP'S WOOL OF VIRTUE WHILE LIKE IN THEIR ACTIONS DOING THE EXACT OPPOSITE, AS WE HEARD, IS DIS JUST COMPLETELY DISCOURAGED AND FROWNED UPON IN THE BIBLE.
I WAS BORN AND RAISED IN EAST COUNTY.
I'VE SAID THIS BEFORE TO CITY COUNCIL MANY TIMES.
MY FATHER GRADUATED FROM EL CAJON VALLEY HIGH SCHOOL.
I HAVE, WHEN WE MOVED INTO LIKE EL CAJON, LIKE WHEN I ACTUALLY CAME INTO EL CAJON FROM LAKESIDE, THE FIRST THING MY NEIGHBORS CAME AND DID WAS THEY WERE WHITE PEOPLE.
THEY CAME AND TOLD ME ABOUT HOW DANGEROUS IT WAS BECAUSE OF THE RACIST AND ALL THAT STUFF LIKE THAT.
BUT THEY HAD MY FAMILY'S BACK.
AND THAT ERA OF OKLAHOMA, THAT ERA OF EAST COUNTY IS GONE.
IT SEEMS NOW WITH THIS ITERATION OF THE CITY COUNCIL, WHAT WE'RE SEEING NOW IN THIS ROOM IS NOT THIS PRO CRIME DEPICTION FROM THE FAR RIGHT THAT WE'RE SEEING AND FROM THE BECKYS OF OUR SOCIETY.
WHAT WE'RE SEEING RIGHT NOW IS THE PEOPLE'S DEMOCRACY IN PLAY.
PHIL, YOU RAN BASICALLY UNOPPOSED.
YOU DO NOT REPRESENT THE CONSTITUENTS OF THE FOURTH DISTRICT.
AND FOR THAT REASON, FOR THE BETRAYAL, FOR THE BLOOD THAT IS ON YOUR HANDS, AND FOR THE ABSOLUTE SACRIFICES YOU'VE MADE OF OUR COMMUNITY, FOR YOUR LIMITED AND VERY VAPID POLITICAL CAREER, YOU ARE FACING JUSTICE.
WE'RE GONNA ORGANIZE A REAL POLITICAL MOVEMENT HERE IN EL CAJON.
IT'S GONNA HAVE THE CHARACTERISTICS OF THE PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY MAKE SOCIETY FUNCTION.
NOT PEOPLE WHO SHOW UP FOUR DAYS A A MONTH AND TRY TO ACT LIKE THEY HAVE SOME SORT OF AUTHORITY OVER ALL OF US TO MAKE US RUN AND HIDE AND FEAR.
IF ANYTHING, WE'RE GONNA BE KNOCKING ON DOORS AND WE'RE GONNA GO AROUND AND MEET OUR NEIGHBORS.
WE'RE GONNA CONNECT EACH OTHER TO RESOURCES, AND WE'RE GONNA LEARN TO STAND UP TO THE PHIL ORTIZ'S AND THE BILL WELLS OF SOCIETY.
WE'RE GONNA ORGANIZE OUR OWN CANDIDATES, AND WE'RE GONNA MAKE SURE THAT DEMOCRACY ISN'T JUST THIS IDEALIZED IMAGE THAT PEOPLE TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IN THEIR QUIET LITTLE BACK ROOMS OR WHEN THEY FEEL LIKE THEY CAN SPARE IT.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE REAL PEOPLE'S DEMOCRACY AGAIN HERE IN EL CAJON.
OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE 11 MORE SPEAKERS.
THE NEXT ONE IS BRENDA HAMMOND.
UM, WOW, I DIDN'T BRING MY POPCORN TODAY.
I DIDN'T BRING MY BALLOONS TODAY.
I CAME HERE, I CAME HERE TO GET TO RUN AWAY.
WHAT DID I TELL YOU ABOUT MY HAT? SO I GREW UP IN LEMON GROVE.
I HUNG OUT WITH THE RICH KIDS IN LA MESA WHO BECAME SNOOTY
AND WHEN I WOULD RUN AWAY, I ALWAYS WOULD COME TO EL CAJON TO BE SAFE.
IF SOME OF THESE PEOPLE LIVED OR WORKED IN OTHER CITIES IN SAN DIEGO COUNTY, THEY WOULD BE HAPPY TO BE IN EL CAJON.
EXCUSE ME, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.
LET LET PEOPLE SPEAK AND DON'T, DON'T CAT CALL FROM THE AUDIENCE.
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YOU'RE GETTING A CHANCE TO SPEAK AND SPEW YOUR, YOU'RE GETTING A WELL.YOU ARE GETTING A CHANCE TO SPEW ALL YOUR HATE AND NOBODY'S, NOBODY'S GETTING INVOLVED.
BUT WHEN OTHER PEOPLE, WHEN OTHER, WHEN OTHER PEOPLE SPEAK, YOU'RE GONNA LET THEM SPEAK.
OR I'M GONNA CLEAR THE RUMOR OR HAVE YOU REMOVED.
I KNOW MANY OF YOU IN THIS ROOM.
UM, I AM NOT HERE TODAY TO SPEAK AS A MEMBER OF THE COHOE VALLEY SCHOOL BOARD.
I'M HERE TO SPEAK AS A LONGTIME RESIDENT OF EL CAJON.
I'VE LIVED THE VAST MAJORITY OF MY 43 YEARS HERE IN EL CAJON GROWING UP ON MELODY LANE.
AND I CURRENTLY LIVE ON AVOCADO, NEAR AVOCADO IN WASHINGTON IN PHIL'S DISTRICT FOUR.
NOT ONLY HAS PHIL BEEN INVALUABLE VOICE OF WISDOM AND EXPERIENCE DURING THE LAST 10 YEARS, BUT REALLY HE'S BEEN A FRIEND FOR AN EVEN LONGER AMOUNT OF TIME THAN THAT.
INTERESTINGLY, THIS ISN'T MY FIRST TIME HERE IN THE CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS.
I ACTUALLY RAN FOR CITY COUNCIL BEFORE PHIL'S TIME HERE.
AND BEFORE THAT I CAME TO MEETINGS FOR OVER A YEAR TO GET CHICKENS LEGALIZED IN EL CAJON.
NOW THAT SEEMS MINOR TO WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING TODAY, BUT THE POINT IS THAT MANY OF US IN THIS ROOM ARE NO STRANGER TO WHAT IT MEANS TO BE CIVICALLY ENGAGED.
AND I'M HERE TO REPRESENT MY SPOT IN DISTRICT FOUR.
UH, AGAIN, LIVING HERE A LONG TIME.
I HAVE SEEN THE CHANGES IN OUR CITY IN WITH, YOU CAN SAY THE NEW CITY COUNCIL, THAT INCLUDES PHIL.
SOME OF YOU HAVE BEEN ON AT THAT TIME.
UM, AND I'VE HAD THE HONOR OF SIGNING PHIL'S POSITION PETITION DURING THE LAST TWO ELECTION CYCLES TO GET HIS NAME ON THE BALLOT.
I'VE HAD THE HONOR OF WALKING AROUND WITH HIM TO INTRODUCE HIM TO MY NEIGHBORS AND TELL THE PEOPLE THAT I KNOW WHY I WHOLEHEARTEDLY SUPPORT PHIL.
NOW WHY DO I SUPPORT PHIL? BECAUSE WE SHARE MANY COMMON VALUES ALONG WITH MANY CONSERVATIVES IN OUR COMMUNITY.
WE CAN NITPICK AND DEFINE OUR DIFFERENCES, BUT THE REALITY IS WE SHARE MORE IN COMMON THAN WE DO DIFFERENTLY.
UM, THE ONE ISSUE THAT I APPRECIATE ABOUT PHIL IS THAT HE CAREFULLY WEIGHS THE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT COME BEFORE THIS COUNCIL.
AND HE BO VOTES BASED ON HIS CARE FOR THE COMMUNITY AND HIS CONVICTIONS.
WHEN PHIL TOLD ME THE FIRST TIME THAT HE WAS INTENDING TO RUN FOR CITY COUNCIL, THE ONE QUESTION THAT I ASKED HIM, I SAID, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO ACT ON YOUR CONVICTION, EVEN IF IT MEANT SACRIFICING THE UNITY THAT YOU COULD HAVE THROUGH COMPROMISE ON THE CITY COUNCIL? AND HE TOLD ME WHOLEHEARTEDLY.
THAT'S WHY I RESPECT AND SUPPORT PHIL ORTIZ.
HELLO BOYS AND GIRLS, AND WELCOME TO THE PHIL ORTIZ SHOW.
I'LL BE YOUR, UH, HOST FOR THE NEXT COUPLE OF MINUTES HERE.
UH, YOU GUYS ARE DOING A FANTASTIC JOB.
YOU GUYS DON'T GET NEAR ENOUGH PRAISE FOR WHAT YOU DO.
YOU DO THIS, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU DO THIS, UH, YOU KNOW, JUST A FEW HOURS A A MONTH
WE KNOW WHAT IT'S REALLY LIKE.
OKAY? IT'S A FEW HOURS OF PUBLIC IN IN THESE MEETINGS AND HOURS AND HOURS AND HOURS.
UH, YOU GUYS HAVE TO WORK, UH, BEHIND THE SCENES AND GOING TO DIFFERENT FUNCTIONS AND THINGS.
UH, BUT YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS ARE DOING A GREAT JOB.
AND, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE ISSUE HERE HAS BEEN DESCRIBED AS A DANGEROUS PUBLIC RESOLUTION.
AND I HEAR PEOPLE FROM NORTH COUNTY IN SOUTH COUNTY OUT HERE IN THE AUDIENCE.
I'VE SEEN THEM OUT HERE BEFORE, UH, AT, AT AT OTHER MEETINGS BEFORE.
YOU'RE, YOU'RE GETTING, YOU KNOW, UH, COUNTYWIDE RECOGNITION, YOU KNOW, SO, UH, UH, TAKE IT FOR WHAT THAT IS.
UM, BUT, UH, THIS DANGEROUS PUBLIC RESOLUTION.
OKAY? SO WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE, UH, YOU KNOW, OR YOU, UH, HAVE DECIDED TO GO AHEAD AND, AND PARTICIPATE WITH, WITH FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT.
AND SO WHAT, WHAT EVERYONE'S SAYING HERE RIGHT NOW IS THAT THERE'S ALL THESE RAIDS AND ALL THESE PEOPLE THAT ARE BEING, UH, ARRESTED AND, AND WITHOUT DUE PROCESS.
WELL, HOW MANY IN EL CAJON? I GOT MY LIST HERE.
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ANY IN EL CAJON SINCE THIS RESOLUTION JUST TWO MONTHS AGO, THERE AREN'T ANY, ANY RAIDS IN EL CAJON, YOU KNOW, UM, MR. BICKFORD, I THINK WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO SAY IS THAT THAT HAPPENED IN THE COUNTY.IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO SAY? YES, IT'S HAPPENED IN THE COUNTY.
IT'S HAPPENED NATIONWIDE WIDE.
BUT, UH, SINCE YOUR RESOLUTION, PARTICIPATION BY OUR, OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT HAS NOT REALLY MADE THIS DRAMATIC EFFECT WHERE EVERYBODY'S GETTING, UH, WHEN FAMILIES ARE GETTING, UH, UH, SEPARATED AND SO FORTH, IT'S JUST NOT HAPPENING.
DO WE HAVE SANITIZER FOR THIS MICROPHONE? EXCUSE ME.
IS THAT A RACIST COMMENT, SIR? I, IT'S REALLY SORRY.
THAT KIND OF RACISM IS NOT ACCEPTED HERE.
I JUST WANT SANITIZER FOR THIS.
THAT, THAT WAS REALLY UNCALLED FOR.
HOW WAS THAT? CAN YOU EXPLAIN HOW IT'S RACIST? SIR? I WANT SOME SANITIZER.
I, I, IF I MISUNDERSTOOD YOU, I APOLOGIZE.
HEY, THE, I ACCEPT YOUR APOLOGY.
I WOULD LIKE TO START BY SHARING MY EXPERIENCE AS A LIFETIME MEMBERS OF THIS COMMITTEE WITH THE COUNCIL.
MY PARENTS IMMIGRATED FROM DURANGO, MEXICO TO THIS BEAUTIFUL CITY OF ALCOHOL FOR BETTER OPPORTUNITY.
THEY BOTH BECAME LEGAL RESIDENTS WITH THE HELP OF REAGAN RY PROGRAM AND NOW HAVE CITIZENSHIP THROUGH SPORTS.
AT TOTAL PARK, NETTE PARK, FURTHER EDUCATION AT COMMUNITY COLLEGE WITH CONSISTENT RESILIENCE, I HAVE MANAGED TO OVERCOME ADVERSITY AND NOW SU SUCCESSFULLY LIVING A FAMILY, RAISING THEM, LIVING THE AMERICAN DREAM.
I'VE WITNESSED A WELCOME DIVERSITY ARRIVED FROM DIFFERENT COUNTRIES, CHARTER SCHOOLS RAISED FOR EXCELLENCE AND JUSTICE IN EDUCATION.
I'M NOW QUESTIONING THE DECISIONS MADE BY THE COMMUNITY REPRESENTATIVE WITH THIS TRUMPISM.
THE UNFORTUNATE VOTING OF SB 54 HAS SPARKED AN AWAKENING OF THE COMMUNITY'S RIGHTS TO ACTION SOMO, LATINOS, AND ION AS A LIFELONG RESIDENT OF DISTRICT FOUR TIZ.
MY NAME'S CARLOS PEREZ, AND I FURTHER REQUEST YOUR RESIGNATION FROM THIS COUNCIL, NICOLE DE CARVALLO.
MY NAME IS NICOLE DE CARVALLO.
I'M A FRIEND OF PHIL ORTIZ AND THIS IS MY HUSBAND, TIMOTHY DE CARVALLO.
AND FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, PHIL HAS COME ALONGSIDE OF ME PERSONALLY.
UH, WHEN MY HUSBAND WAS UP FOR A GREEN CARD, WHEN WE APPLIED AFTER A YEAR OF MARRIAGE, PHIL OFFERED TO WRITE A RECOMMENDATION LETTER TO HELP MY HUSBAND IN THE GREEN CARD PROCESS.
HE, UM, WENT ABOVE AND BEYOND.
I DID NOT ASK HIM, I DID NOT SOLICITATE THIS RES LIKE THING.
AND HE HELPED US EVERY STEP OF THE WAY.
AND HE EVEN WANTED TO ENCOURAGE MY HUSBAND WHEN HE BECOMES A CITIZEN, UM, TO SWEAR HIM IN.
AND HE HAS ENCOURAGED PEOPLE AND IMMIGRANTS FROM OUR, BOTH OF OUR PERSPECTIVES.
HE'S DONE NOTHING BUT ENCOURAGE THAT.
SO, I'M SORRY THAT YOUR EXPERIENCE WAS DIFFERENT, BUT FOR ME, AND I'VE KNOWN PHIL FOR OVER 20 YEARS, AND HE HAS BEEN NOTHING BUT ENCOURAGING TO THE AMERICAN DREAM AND FOR PROTECTING AND, UH, FIGHTING FOR MY FAMILY THAT IS WITH AN IMMIGRANT.
AND, UH, I ALSO, I REMEMBER WHEN I'M COMING TO UNITED STATES FIVE YEARS AGO AND MY FIRST APARTMENT WAS HERE BY, UH, UH, MAGNOLIA.
AND I REMEMBER TALK TO SOMEONE AROUND AND THEY SAID, WELL, YOU KNOW, WHERE YOU LIVING? AND I SAY, NO, I DON'T KNOW WHERE I'M LIVING.
THEY SAID, WELL, ACROSS STREET, MAYBE BETWEEN 30 YEARS IS LIKE MOST, UH, PLACE THAT THE PEOPLE WAS KIDNAPPED AND HUMAN TRAFFICKING.
AND RIGHT NOW, I'M GONNA ASK EVERYONE HERE WHERE THE GUYS STAY, STAY THE, THE, THE THE PEOPLE WAS SIR, SIR, I'M, I'M SORRY, SORRY, BUT I'M, YOU JUST HAVE TO ADDRESS THIS.
I'M SORRY, BUT THAT'S MY FRUSTRATION.
ME, BECAUSE I SEE PEOPLE RIGHT NOW AGAINST TO, UH, UH, THIS SITUATION, BUT 30 YEARS, 12 YEARS AGO, WHERE THOSE PEOPLE STAY, WHERE THEY FIGHT ABOUT THE PEOPLE WAS HUMAN TRAFFICK HERE IN YO CAJON, THE CITY, THEY RIGHT NOW, THOSE PEOPLES FIGHT WHERE THE PEOPLE STAY.
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DON'T, YOU YOU DON'T DO NOTHING ABOUT.AND EVEN RIGHT NOW, IT STILL HAPPEN.
LISTEN, JIMBO, WE HAVE TO KEEP IT BETWEEN THE SPEAKER AND THE COUNCIL.
YOU WANT, YOU HAVE A, YOU CAN FINISH IF YOU WANT.
THE NEXT SPEAKER IS PATRICIA BARRETT.
HI, UH, MAYOR WELLS AND COUNCIL.
THANK YOU FOR THE FIREFIGHTERS, UH, RECOMMENDATION OR SALUTE.
MY FATHER WAS A 40 YEAR FIRE CAPTAIN AND I GREW UP IN EL CAJON.
I WAS BORN AT THE EL CA VALLEY HOSPITAL, WENT TO VALHALLA HIGH SCHOOL.
UM, I HAVE SOME CONCERNS OF WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE EL CAJON CITY COUNCIL.
I HEAR A LOT OF THE TRUMPISM, UH, CALL.
AND I, WE'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT PHIL ORTIZ TODAY.
ONE OF THE ISSUES I HAVE, AND IT'S MY SIGN, I JUST MADE IT AT LAST MINUTE.
I WASN'T PREPARED TO SPEAK, BUT FOOTHILLS CHURCH PUTS PEOPLE UP ON THE PULPIT, UP ON THE STAGE.
AND WHAT THEY DO IS THEY UNLAWFULLY, IT'S AGAINST THE CHARTER OF THE NINE 90 EXEMPTION.
THEY SAY, OH, HERE'S PHIL ORTIZ PEOPLE, OH, BY THE WAY, HE'S A PASTOR OF FOOTHILLS.
THERE'S AN AUDIENCE OF HOW MANY, 2000 OR SO, HOW MANY SERVICES DO YOU HAVE? SO, OF COURSE, IF I TELL PEOPLE, YOU WANNA BE A POLITICIAN, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU BILL WELLS ALSO GOT ELECTED THROUGH FOOTHILLS CHURCH.
YOU WANNA GO TO FOOTHILLS IF YOU WANNA BE A POLITICIAN IN THIS TOWN.
SO I'M GONNA BE OUT THERE PROTESTING ALSO AT FOOTHILLS ABOUT THIS.
BUT I, WE DO NEED TO RECALL YOU, PHIL.
UM, SO ONE OF THE THINGS WHICH YOU MAY NOT BE AWARE OF, UNDER, UNDER THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION, THERE WERE 1500 DEPORTATIONS A DAY.
AND IT'S IN THE RECORD OF BORDER PATROL AND ICE.
1500 A DAY UNDER OBAMA, MORE UNDER BIDEN THAN OBAMA, AND WAY MORE THAN UNDER TRUMP.
AND WE HAVE NOWHERE NEAR THAT TODAY.
BUT THEY WERE LEGAL AND LAWFUL DEPORTATIONS.
I ENCOURAGE YOU TO LOOK THAT UP ON THE BORDER PATROL ICE STATISTICS, BECAUSE I'VE LOOKED IT UP MORE THAN ONCE, 1500 A DAY UNDER BIDEN.
AND SOME OF THOSE WERE LEAVING BECAUSE OF COVID, BECAUSE THEY WANTED TO GO HOME DURING THE COVID TIME.
JUST, I MEAN, BIDEN SAYING, HEY, WE'RE DEPORT.
AND THE WHOLE THING'S CRAZY BECAUSE THIS IS ALL HYPED UP.
WHAT TRUMP IS BRAINWASHING YOU GUYS, BECAUSE MY OTHER SON TALKED ABOUT DOGE.
DOGE WAS CREATED ON JANUARY 20TH, 2025.
IT IS THE NEW GOVERNMENT DESIGNED TO OVERTHROW OUR EXISTING GOVERNMENT.
I'M TRYING TO DO PODCASTS, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHO'S DISSECTING THAT.
YOU GUYS ARE BRAINWASHED, PHIL, YOU'RE BRAINWASHED.
AND ALSO YOU WERE UNLAWFULLY PUT UP ON A PEDESTAL BY FOOTHILLS CHURCH TO BE A POLITICIAN IN THIS TOWN.
THIS CHURCH IS GONNA BE, I'M GONNA SO PROTEST THIS CHURCH.
I'VE DONE A LOT OF SOUL PROTESTS.
I WAS BAPTIZED AT FOOTHILLS, BUT I'M NOT GONNA PUT UP FOR THIS UN HOLINESS, YOU KNOW, WE DO NOT.
MY FATHER AS A FIRE CAPTAIN, WHEN HE RETIRED, WE TOOK CARE OF MANY IMMIGRANTS.
WE GOT THEM HEALTHCARE, GOT THEM TO THEIR HOMES.
BUT YOU GUYS ARE BRAINWASHED BY TRUMP.
AND WE ARE HERE TO SAVE OUR DEMOCRACY BILL.
AND YOU'RE DESTROYING IT YOUR TIME.
I READ THE PAPER, YOU'RE DESTROYING IT AS WELL.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMITMENT TO THE COMMUNITY.
AND, UM, THERE'S GONNA BE A POST OPEN FOR MAYOR.
WE REALLY ENCOURAGE YOU TO, TO RA RUN THE RACE.
UM, PHIL ORTIZ, THE LAST TIME WE WERE HERE, WE WARNED YOU THAT THIS WAS A POLITICAL, A CAREER SUICIDE.
WE CAN SEE THE LOOK ON YOUR FACE.
WE SEE IT 'CAUSE YOU'RE FOLLOWING BILL WELLS.
THIS IS, UM, THE COMMUNITY YOU SERVE.
THEY'RE HERE FIGHTING AGAINST YOU.
AND, UM, I WANNA TELL THE COMMUNITY TO NOT BACK DOWN THE MOMENT WE BACKED DOWN.
THE MOMENT WE THOUGHT WE WERE IN GOOD HANDS WAS THE THIRD TIME THEY BROUGHT UP THIS POLICY.
AND THEY WON BECAUSE WE THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, WE HAD IT IN THE BAG.
AND IT WAS PASSED THREE TIMES.
IT TOOK YOU GUYS TO PASS BECAUSE WE CAME HERE FIGHTING AND FIGHTING AND FIGHTING.
WE SHOULDN'T GIVE UP THIS FIGHT.
EVEN IF WE MAY LOSE THE BATTLE AGAINST PHIL ORTIZ TODAY, WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO FIGHT.
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TO KILL MA ABREGO, A MAN WHO CAME HERE LEGALLY, THE RIGHT WAY, AS YOU GUYS SO CLAIM IT STILL TAKEN TO WHERE EL SALVADOR AND SEKO.I'VE SEEN THE PRISONS IN EL SALVADOR.
THE PLACES YOU ARE SENDING THESE PEOPLE IS A DEATH CAMP.
THEY'RE, THEY CAN'T VISIT THEIR FAMILY.
THEY CAN'T CALL THEIR FAMILIES.
WHAT CRIMES HAVE THEY COMMITTED BEING BROWN? I SUGGEST, UM, THE PEOPLE WHO CAME TODAY TO SUPPORT YOU, PUT ON BROWN CONTEXT DYE YOUR HAIR BROWN, CHANGE THIS COLOR OF YOUR SKIN TONE.
LET'S SEE IF THEY STILL HAVE THAT SAME IDEA THAT THEY'RE JUST GOING AFTER CRIMINALS.
SO I WANNA ENCOURAGE EVERYBODY TO KEEP PROTESTING.
THE FIGHT ISN'T OVER UNTIL WE'VE, WE'VE DESTROYED THE NAZIS ONCE AGAIN.
UM, SO RECALL PHIL ORTIZ, BECAUSE HE IS NOT, HE PROFITS OFF OF THE BACK OF THE HISPANIC COMMUNITY BILL WELLS AS WELL.
HE WANTS TO NICE SMIRK, UH, DURING THE BLACK LIVES MATTER PROTEST.
DURING THAT TIME, YOU PROFITED OFF THE BLACK COMMUNITY WITH THAT, THAT INNOCENT BLACK MAN'S SHOOTING.
BUT WHERE ARE YOU? DON'T REMEMBER IT.
I REMEMBER READING YOUR INTERVIEW.
YOU, YOU CLAIMED THAT THE COMMUNITY HAD YOUR BACK WHEN YOU RELEASED THE BODY CAM FOOTAGE OF THE POLICE OFFICER WHO SHOT THE UNARMED BLACK MAN.
YOU PROFIT OFF OF THE COMMUNITY, BUT YOU DON'T COME OUT AND SUPPORT THE COMMUNITY YOU SAY YOU STAND FOR.
I'M HERE TODAY AS A FIRST, UH, GENERATION IMMIGRANT.
I'M A, A CHALDEAN AND A SMALL BUSINESS OWNER.
I LIVE IN THE CITY OF EL CAJON.
WHEN I CAME TO THIS COUNTRY, I CAME TO EL CAJON.
I LIVED IN EL CAJON FROM THE DAY ONE.
I WORKED, I GOT MY PAPERWORK, I GOT MY DOCUMENT, I GOT MY CITIZENSHIP.
THE LEGAL RIGHT, THE LEGAL ROUTE THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE DONE.
TODAY'S, I I DO NOT THINK THAT IF YOU GUYS DID NOT ADOPT THE RESOLUTION, YOU GUYS WOULD STOP THIS.
THEY ARE COMING AFTER PHIL ORTIZ.
THIS IS NOTHING BUT POLITICAL AGENDA AND IT HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH A PERSON.
YOU GUYS COULD HAVE NOT STOPPED THIS AGENDA.
YOU GUYS COULD NOT STOP ICE FROM DEPORTING NOBODY.
IT'S NOT ONLY LATINOS THAT HAVE BEEN DEPORTED.
IT'S EVERYBODY THAT DOES NOT HAVE DOCUMENTATION IS BEING DEPORTED.
CHALDEANS, ANY IMMIGRANT THAT DOESN'T HAVE LEGAL STATUS IN HERE IS BEING DEPORTED.
AND THEY STARTING WITH THE OUTLAWS.
SO IF YOU GUYS ARE COMING HERE AND TELLING ME THAT THE OUTLAWS CAN STAY HERE AND WE PUT OUR FAMILIES IN DANGER, THEN I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S RIGHT NOWADAYS NO MORE.
I'M AOR I'M AN OWNER IN IN THE BUSINESS IN THE CITY OF ACON, SMALL BUSINESS OWNER.
AND I'M ON A BOARD MEMBER OF THE KDE COMMUNITY COUNCIL.
IT'S A NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION THAT WORKS AS A COMMUNITY SERVICE.
AND WE DO IMMIGRANT SERVICES AS WELL.
WE HELP EVERYBODY THAT COMES TO US, WHICH SERVES OUR KIAN, THE KIAN COMMUNITY COUNCIL'S SERVICES, THOUSAND OF IMMIGRANT FAMILIES, BORDER OF IRAQ AND MIDDLE EAST.
DOESN'T MATTER WHAT COLOR THEY ARE, THEY'RE IMMIGRANT.
OKAY? I STAND HERE TO SUPPORT COUNCIL MEMBER PHIL ORTIZ.
THE ACCUSATION BEING MADE AGAINST HIM TODAY ARE NOT ONLY FALSE, BUT DEEPLY OFFENSIVE TO THOSE OF US WHO KNOWS THIS GUY FIRSTHAND.
PHIL HAS BEEN A CONSISTENT AND A COMMITTED ALLY TO IMMIGRANT COMMUNITY.
HE WAS SUPPORTED PROGRAMS THAT EMPOWERED REFUGEES AND HE SERVES HIS, HE SERVICES DISPLACED FAMILIES.
HE DID, HE DID A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE CAME TO HIM AND ASKED HIM AND HE HELPED US PUTTING THINGS TOGETHER TO HELP DISPLACE FAMILIES.
OKAY? HE STOOD WITH US WHEN MATTERS THE MOST.
HIS ACTIONS SPEAKS LOUDER THAN ANY POLITICAL SMEAR CAMPAIGN THAT WE HAVE RIGHT HERE.
TO SAY HE IS ANTI-IMMIGRANT IS SIMPLY NOT TRUE.
HE HAS ALWAYS BEEN A FRIEND TO THE KALIEN COMMUNITY AND TO THE IMMIGRANT THAT SEEKS BETTER LIFE IN THIS COUNTRY.
I URGE THIS COUNCIL AND PUBLIC TO SEE THROUGH THESE FALSE ACCUSATIONS AND RECOGNIZE THE INTEGRITY AND COMMITMENT OF FLOES BRING TO OUR DIVERSE CITY.
SO PLEASE DON'T LISTEN TO THE POLITICAL AGENDA THAT'S HAPPENING BEHIND ME RIGHT HERE.
AND REVEREND, WHEN I GO TO CHURCH, I CONFESS TO THE PRIEST.
WHO DO YOU CONFESS TO? THANK YOU.
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THE NEXT ONE IS CARLOS GOMEZ PEREZ.UM, AT THE END OF THE DAY, EVERYBODY TAKES EXAMPLES FROM SOME TYPE OF LEADERSHIP, RIGHT? IN THIS SCENARIO THAT WE'RE IN RIGHT NOW, THE LEADER THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE IN CHARGE OF EVERYTHING AND ENSURING THAT THE CONSTITUENTS WERE BEING TAKEN CARE OF.
AND THAT MEANS THAT WHOLE ENTIRE, ENTIRE CITY OF EL CAJON CITY WAS YOU.
BILL WELLS WAS YOU FAILED TO DO THAT.
YOU FELT YOU FAILED TO DO THAT BY ONLY CHOOSING ONE SIDE AND ENSURING THAT THAT SIDE FELT MORE SAFE OR SECURE.
YOU MIGHT BE WONDERING, WHY AM I DRESSED A CERTAIN WAY AND I'M ADDRESS IN A SUIT? LIKE I USUALLY COME HERE 'CAUSE I AM ALSO A BUSINESS OWNER.
WELL, BECAUSE THIS BECAME MY SHIELD, THIS WAS THE ONLY THING I COULD HAVE SO THAT PEOPLE LIKE YOU WOULDN'T PERCEIVE ME A CERTAIN WAY.
'CAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE ONLY THING THAT WE SEE IS THE COLOR OF THE SKIN.
AND YOU CAN SAY THAT THAT'S NOT TRUE.
BUT IN MOST SCENARIOS IT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE ALL DO.
SO YEAH, THIS BECAME A SHIELD BECAUSE TO YOU GUYS, THIS WEIGHED A LOT.
THE FACT THAT I GOT SHOT TWICE FOR THIS COUNTRY, THE FACT THAT I GOT THEIR HIGHEST MEDAL OF HONOR, HONOR THAT ANYONE IN THE SERVICE CAN RECEIVE, WHICH FOR THE LONGEST TIME, I DIDN'T SEE AS AN ACCOMPLISHMENT BY THE END OF THE DAY.
THAT'S THE ONLY THING YOU GUYS RESPECT.
SOMEONE SAID, UH, THERE WAS SOMETHING ABOUT, UM, KIDNAPPING.
I WAS NINE YEARS OF AGE, THEREFORE, I BE HERE FOR THREE YEARS, FOR 33 YEARS.
SO WHAT IT COMES DOWN TO ONE VERY IMPORTANT THING.
I'M NO LONGER THAN 9-YEAR-OLD IMMIGRANT WHO WAS VOICELESS.
AND I HAVE STAYED QUIET FOR SO LONG.
WHY? BECAUSE I HAD TO DEAL WITH MY OWN STUFF TO SURVIVE.
BUT NOW THAT I'M NO LONGER NEEDING TO SURVIVE, NOW I GOTTA SPEAK FOR THE ONES THAT CAN'T SPEAK.
AND THERE'S A, THERE HAS BEEN RAID IN EL CAJON CITY AND THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE DONE THING, GOOD THINGS FOR PEOPLE.
THAT WHATEVER THE DECISION THAT WAS TAKEN BACK TWO, THREE MONTHS AGO DOESN'T TAKE AWAY FROM YOU.
THIS IS NOT ABOUT YOU'RE A BAD PERSON.
LIKE WHO CARE? LET'S, IF YOU'RE A GOOD OR BAD PERSON, I DON'T CARE.
IT'S A DECISION THAT, THAT WAS MADE BASED ON ONE POINT OF VIEW.
LIKE, OH, IF WE DECIDE TO MAKE THE DECISION TO PASS SB 54, HOPEFULLY EVERYBODY ELSE WILL GO AHEAD AND CARRY IT THROUGH AND, AND MAKE CALIFORNIA NO LONGER A SANCTUARY CITY.
NO, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO PROTECT CRIMINALS, OKAY? IF YOU HAVE NEVER BEEN HANDCUFFED AND PUT IT BEHIND, BEHIND
SO AT THE END OF THE DAY, JUST, WELL, I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN.
AND THE, AND UNFORTUNATELY IT ONLY STARTS WITH OUR CITY AND IT'S GOTTA GO FROM THERE.
AFTERNOON, COUNCIL MEMBERS, MICHELLE.
UM, I'M, I'M A FIRST GENERATION AMERICAN.
MY PARENTS CAME HERE AS IMMIGRANTS, BUT THEY DID IT THE RIGHT WAY.
AND TODAY I WORK IN THE COMMUNITY.
I WORK WITH ALL THE KIDS IN THE COMMUNITY.
OKAY? I'M HERE IN A BUNCH OF RHETORIC OVER HERE ABOUT DUE PROCESS AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
HOW MANY OF THESE PEOPLE OVER HERE ARE ACTUALLY PROFITING OFF OF THAT STUFF? PHIL, MR. WELLS, YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN NOTHING BUT SUPPORTIVE TO THE GROUP THAT I REPRESENT, AND I APPRECIATE THAT.
UM, A LONG TIME AGO WHEN I SERVED AS AN ATTORNEY WITH US ARMY, UH, WHICH WAS THE GREATEST, UH, UH, ACHIEVEMENT IN, UH, THE PROUDEST MOMENT IN MY LIFE, I LEARNED ONE THING.
WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT JUSTICE AND DEMOCRACY, THERE IS NO CONSIDERATION OF THE STATUS.
LIKE MUSLIM, NOT MUSLIM, WHITE, BLACK LATINOS, AFRICAN AMERICAN, NOTHING.
THE JUSTICE AND DEMOCRACY MEANS THE SAME THING FOR EVERY SINGLE MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY.
NOT TO REPRESENT ANY POLITICAL PARTY OR POLITICAL GROUP OR INTEREST GROUP, BUT TO REPRESENT MY COMMUNITIES.
ONE OF THE ASPECTS OF LEADERSHIP, ESPECIALLY IN THIS HALL, IN THIS HOUSE, IS
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TO MAKE DECISIONS, UH, DISCUSSIONS, POLICIES AND PLANS THAT BRING PEOPLE CLOSER TO THE GOVERNMENT.THE OTHER ASPECT OF LEADERSHIP, ESPECIALLY IN THIS SEAT, IN THIS HALL, IS TO MAKE DECISIONS, UH, DISCUSSIONS, POLICIES AND PLANS THAT IMPACT EVERY SINGLE RESIDENT OF THE COMMUNITY, REGARDLESS OF THE POLITICAL AFFILIATION OR RELIGIOUS, UH, UH, CONNECTIONS HERE IN THE BEAUTIFUL CITY OF EL CAJON, WHICH IS OUR, OUR HOME, OUR CITY, WE HAVE A LOT OF ISSUES IN CRISIS LIKE HOMELESSNESS, LIKE, UH, HOUSING, LIKE EMPLOYMENT, AND A LOT OF OTHER ISSUES THAT IMPACT EVERY SINGLE MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY, WHETHER HE OR SHE'S REPUBLICAN, DEMOCRAT, UH, INDEPENDENT, UH, IMMIGRANT OR NON-IMMIGRANT.
BUT THE QUESTION, DID WE SEE ANY SINGLE DISCUSSION OR DECISION IN THIS HALL BY ANY OF THESE LEADERS THAT IMPACT YOU POSITIVELY? DID WE SEE THAT? YES.
I'M HERE NOT TO ACCUSE ANY MEMBER IN THIS HALL, BUT I'M HERE TO RAISE THE VOICE AND WORDS OF MY COMMUNITIES.
AND THAT IS TO ASK YOU THAT YOU ARE ELECTED TO SERVE OUR COMMUNITIES, NOT TO TAKE THE RIGHTS, THE DUE PROCESS AND THE FREEDOM OF OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS.
THAT'S WHY I'M PROUDLY SUPPORTING THIS GROUP.
AND THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER PHIL ES YOU SHOULD RESIGN OR YOU'LL FACE A RECALL BECAUSE YOU ARE ELECTED TO REPRESENT THESE PEOPLE, TO MAKE A POLICY, TO HAVE A DISCUSSION, A DECISION TO IMPACT THESE PEOPLE POSITIVELY AND MAKE POSITIVE CHANGES IN OUR COMMUNITY, AND ESPECIALLY IN OUR DISTRICT, DISTRICT FOUR.
BUT UNFORTUNATELY WE DIDN'T SEE THAT.
SO AGAIN, THE MEANING OF DEMOCRACY, JUSTICE, FREEDOM.
IT'S THE SAME FOR ME AS AN IMMIGRANT AMERICAN, AS A PROUD AMERICAN AND AS A PROUD RESIDENT OF THE CITY OF EL CAJON.
AND THAT'S THE SAME THING THAT VALUES THE JUSTICE.
FREEDOM MEANS THE SAME THING FOR YOU, FOR HIM, FOR HER THERE IS NO DIFFERENCES.
AND YOU AS A COUNCIL MEMBER, DOESN'T MAKE A DIFFERENT THAN MYSELF AND DOESN'T MAKE A DIFFERENT THAN ANY OF THIS.
UH, UH, THESE I'M SURE YOUR TIME'S UP.
SO I SUPPORT THE RECALL OR ASK A COUNCIL MEMBER TO, UH, RESIGN BECAUSE WE NEED LEADERS WHO SERVE US AND WHO MAKE POSITIVE CHANGES IN THE COMMUNITY, REGARDLESS OF POLITICAL OR RELIGIOUS AFFILIATIONS.
LAST SPEAKER IS VIOLET COUNCILMAN ORTIZ.
YOU HAVE BETRAYED A COMMUNITY, HOLD ON, THAT HAS TRUSTED YOU.
YOU HAVE BE TRAINED LEAST 60% OF THE LATINOS AND MID MIDDLE EASTERN RESIDENTS HERE IN EL CAJON.
YOU CHOSE TO CO-SIGN WITH HIM FOR A POLICY THAT HARMS US.
I SPOKE TO YOU AND YOU WERE VERY FIRM WHEN YOU SAID, I WANNA GET AWA LA TREND OUT OF HERE.
IF YOU WERE MORE INVOLVED IN THE COMMUNITY, IF YOU WOULD JUST STEPPED OUTTA YOUR DOOR AND EVEN COME TO SCHOOL EVENTS, YOU WOULD SEE THAT THAT IS NOT THE CAUSE HERE.
I'M VERY DISAPPOINTED TO HEAR THAT YOU'RE WORKING ON BEING A PASTOR, BECAUSE TO ME THAT IS JUST HYPOCRISY.
HOW CAN YOU USE THE WORD OF GOD FOR THE THINGS THAT YOU DO? I DON'T UNDERSTAND, PHIL.
IN A WAY I FEEL KIND OF SAD BECAUSE I THOUGHT WE HAD A LITTLE WORKING RELATIONSHIP HERE, ESPECIALLY IN OUR COMMUNITY.
BUT NOW I JUST FEEL SO BETRAYED.
I THINK THAT'S THE BEST FOR YOU RIGHT NOW, FOR YOUR BUSINESS, FOR YOUR PASTORING.
YOU NEED A STEP DOWN OR YOU WILL FACE THE CONSEQUENCES.
DID YOU WANNA, MR. MAYOR, CAN I SAY SOMETHING REALLY QUICK? OF COURSE.
UM, TO THE PUBLIC, UM, ONE OF MY MENTORS TOLD ME THAT, UH, THE STRONGEST PERSON IN THE ROOM IS A PERSON THAT HAS NOTHING TO HIDE.
CAN YOU STAY OUT? 'CAUSE I WANT TO ADDRESS SOME PEOPLE HERE.
THE STRONGEST PERSON IN THE ROOM WHO HAS NOTHING TO HIDE AND I HAVE NOTHING TO HIDE.
UM, WHEN THIS RESOLUTION, IF YOU READ IT, ITS
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SOLELY, UM, IS MY PLATFORM TO SPEAK OUT AGAINST SB 54.BECAUSE SB 54 DOESN'T COVER A TON OF CRIMES, DOESN'T COVER ARSON, DOESN'T COVER TRESPASSING, DOESN'T CO COVER BURGLARY.
AND, AND IF THIS RESOLUTION WAS JUST ABOUT PUBLIC SAFETY, UM, I'M NOT ANGRY AT ANYBODY.
I DON'T RESENT ANYBODY HERE HOLDING UP THE SIGNS OR THROWING ACCUSATIONS AT ME.
IT'S BEEN HAPPENING MY WHOLE LIFE.
UM, I WENT TO SANTANA IN THE 90, UH, IN THE TWO THOUSANDS.
AND, UH, MY FRIENDS GOT BEAT UP BY WHITE SUPREMACISTS.
I TOLD THE EAST COUNTY MAGAZINE ABOUT THIS IN MY, UH, INTERVIEW IN 2020.
UM, AND I DEALT WITH WHITE SUPREMACISTS MY WHOLE 'CAUSE OF MY LAST NAME.
UM, SO, UM, I'M NOT WHITE ENOUGH FOR THEM.
AND THEN THE LATINO COMMUNITY IS REJECTING ME TOO.
SO I FOUND MYSELF IN THE MIDDLE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO ABOUT THAT.
UM, IT, WITH THIS RESOLUTION, IT MADE A LOT OF, UH, MY REALLY GOOD FRIENDS AND FAMILY MEMBERS NOT LIKE ME BECAUSE IT WASN'T TRUMPY ENOUGH.
UM, AND THEN HERE'S THE OPPOSITE, UH, OF PEOPLE SAYING IT'S TOO TRUMPY.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF MRS. BRANDHAM IS IN, IN HERE.
UM, BUT, UM, BUT, BUT TO GO BACK TO IT, I KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE TO BE TARGETED FOR RACISM IN THE FOOD FOR LESS PARKING LOT, UM, AT SANTANA, WHERE PEOPLE WERE SUCH RECKLESS HATE, UM, THAT I SAW AND I FACED.
AND IT LED TO THE, IT EVENTUALLY LED TO THE SHOOTING AT SANTANA.
UM, UM, SO I KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE TO YOUR POINT.
UM, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO.
I DON'T, I I HONESTLY DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO BEING IN THE MIDDLE.
I, I'M STUCK IN THE MIDDLE OF, OF TWO SIDES.
AND THIS IS ALWAYS ABOUT PUBLIC SAFETY, ABOUT ME USING THIS PLATFORM TO SPEAK OUT AGAINST SB 54.
'CAUSE IT DOESN'T COVER, UH, IT DOESN'T COVER THOSE THINGS, AND I WANNA KEEP OUR COMMUNITY SAFE.
SO, UM, TO THE PACHECOS, IF YOU'RE LISTENING, I'M STILL WILLING TO HELP YOU, UM, WITH THE EL CAJON VALLEY SCHOOL BOARD, UM, TO, UH, TO INCREASE YOUR ENROLLMENT NUMBERS.
YOU SHOWED ME YOUR SCHOOL, AND IT'S BEAUTIFUL, AND I THINK YOU'RE DOING GREAT STUFF.
UM, MS. BRANDHAM, I, I THINK YOU LEFT.
UM, I, OR I CALLED YOU AND I REACHED OUT TO YOU BECAUSE I SAW ONE OF YOUR VIDEOS ONLINE, AND I RESPECT WHAT YOU SAID, WHERE YOU MAKE A DISTINCTION BETWEEN IMMIGRANTS, THAT THEY'RE NOT ALL THE SAME, THAT THERE'S NUANCE.
UM, SO I LOVE YOUR IDEAS AND I THINK I, YOU SHOULD CONTINUALLY KEEP HAVING THAT CONVERSATION IN THE PUBLIC SQUARE BECAUSE WE NEED TO MAKE DISTINCTIONS BETWEEN THE PEOPLE, UM, THESE PEOPLE.
UM, MR. CARLOS, I LOVE YOUR IDEA ABOUT THE, UH, I LOVE YOUR IDEA ABOUT THE VETERANS MEMORIAL THAT YOU CAME AND TALKED TO US ABOUT.
IT, UH, DONNY O'MALLEY FROM VET TV, I WENT TO COLLEGE WITH HIM.
HE DOES A LOT OF GOOD STUFF FOR THE COMMUNITY, AND I'VE REACHED OUT TO HIM TO SEE IF WE CAN PARTNER WITH HIM.
SO, UM, LIKE I SAID, I HAVE NOTHING TO HIDE.
UM, AND, UH, VIOLET, YOU KNOW, I, YOU HAVE MY CELL PHONE NUMBER.
UM, YOU CAN CALL ME ANYTIME YOU NEED SOMETHING.
MS. BRANDHAM HAS MY CELL PHONE NUMBER.
THE PACHECOS HAVE MY CELL PHONE NUMBER.
UM, I DIDN'T KNOW EVERYBODY WAS GONNA COME TO SPEAK ON MY BEHALF IN SUPPORT, BUT I APPRECIATE IT.
SO, UM, THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.
WE HAVE TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS ON TODAY'S AGENDA.
WE RECEIVE ONE LAST, UH, SPEAKER CARD, IF YOU WILL ALLOW IT.
ONE LAST, BUT THIS WILL BE THE LAST ONE UNLESS, SO.
WELL, I DON'T KNOW WHAT I WALKED INTO TODAY, BUT, UH, I'M JUST LOOKING FOR PAINT ON THE ROAD.
UM, REALLY CHEAP, REALLY SIMPLE.
THERE'S FIRST STREET, THERE'S SECOND STREET, AND GREENFIELD.
UH, LOTS OF KIDS WALK TO SCHOOL TO, UH, GREENFIELD, UH, MIDDLE, AND THEY RIDE THEIR BIKES.
AND, UH, GREENFIELD KIND OF SUCKS ON THAT STRIP.
AND I'VE SEEN KIDS FACE PLAN ON THEIR BIKES, AND THERE'S NOT REALLY A SIDEWALK.
SO IF WE CAN GET LIKE A, A SHARED ROAD BIKE SIGN ON THAT ROAD, I'LL TELL YOU WHAT WE'LL DO, IF YOU'LL LEAVE US YOUR INFORMATION.
UH, AND MR. MAYOR, I, I BELIEVE THAT SECTION OF GREENFIELD IS ACTUALLY THE COUNTY OF SAN DIEGO'S JURISDICTION.
OH, IT'S NOT IN THE CITY LIMITS.
I THINK IT'S A GREAT SUGGESTION, BUT WE HAVE NO AUTHORITY TO PAINT THOSE THAT'S IN THE COUNTY.
SO, WELL, JOEL ANDERSON, HIS OFFICE SHOULD BE ABLE TO HELP.
CAN WE JUST CHECK IT OUT AND MAKE SURE THAT WE, CAN YOU CALL YOUR PEOPLE TO TELL THEIR PEOPLE
WE, WE CAN, WE CAN REACH OUT TO THEIR OFFICE.
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YOU.I, BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT KIDS TO GET HURT.
SO, IN ORDER, IF I WANTED TO DO SOMETHING, SOMETHING DIFFERENT IN THE CITY, SIR, SIR, SIR, COME, COME ON UP A QUESTION.
I HAVE WANTED TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT TO THE CITY IN A CERTAIN CERTAIN STREET.
WHAT I HAVE TO DO IS COME UP HERE AND ASK FOR YOU, HAS HIS PERMISSION, AND SEE HOW WE CAN DO THAT.
MAKE, MAKE THAT HAPPEN IF YOU WANTED.
'CAUSE HE USED NOT A PAINTING FOR SAFETY.
OH, HE'S, HE'S NOT SUGGESTING PAINTING HIMSELF? NO, NO.
HE'S ASKING US TO DO IT FOR HIM.
YOU, YOU COULD ALWAYS COME UP TO CITY COUNCIL AND, AND MAKE ANY SUGGESTION YOU WANT.
THAT'S, WE'RE, WE'RE MORE THAN HAPPY TO.
AND YOU KNOW, IF IT'S, IF HE HAD LIVED IN THE CITY OF EL CAJON OR THAT STREET A BIT, WE WOULD'VE SET A TRAFFIC ENGINEER OUT THERE TO CHECK OUT HIS COMPLAINT.
AND, AND MORE, MORE OFTEN THAN NOT, WE WOULD PUT A STOP SIGN OR, YOU KNOW, SO THANKS.
ARE YOU GONNA ASK AND MR. MR. MAYOR? YEAH.
AS A REMINDER, UM, OUR RESIDENTS DON'T HAVE TO COME TO A COUNCIL MEETING TO ASK FOR THINGS SO THEY CAN ALWAYS REACH OUT TO STAFF, THE COUNCIL MEMBERS.
OUR EMAILS ARE ON, ON OUR WEBSITE, SO WE ENCOURAGE FOLKS TO REACH OUT TO US.
ON OUR OFFICE, WE HAVE, WE HAVE AN APP CALLED, AN APP CALLED MY EL CAJON, WHERE YOU CAN, UH, MAKE COMMENTS OR SUGGESTIONS OR SEND PICTURES OF GRAFFITI OR THERE'S, AND, AND WE REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR INPUT.
UH, AND MAL MALISON GOING ON THE FREEWAY, THE EIGHT, THERE'S ONLY ONE, ONE LINE IN HIS CARPOOL.
BUT IF YOU CAN, THE ACTUAL CARPOOL IN THE LEFT HAND SIDE AND MAKE THAT U-TURN, IT WOULD ALLEVIATE TRAFFIC ALTOGETHER.
SO I'M ASKING WHO WOULD I BE ABLE TO TALK TO ABOUT THAT? THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE TRA CALTRANS.
SO THE, ALRIGHT, UM, WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON.
UH, COUNSEL, DO YOU ANYBODY NEED A BREAK OR ARE WE, LET LET'S TAKE FIVE MINUTES AND WE'LL COME RIGHT BACK.
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE.
UM, THERE ARE NO WRITTEN COMMUNICATION ON TODAY'S AGENDA, AND I'M GONNA SKIP OVER ITEM NUMBER 10.
[11. Zoning Code Update RECOMMENDATION: That the City Council: Opens the Public Hearing and receives testimony; Closes the Public Hearing; Moves to adopt the next Resolution, in order, approving the California Environmental Quality Act exemption; and Introduces the next Ordinance, in order, approving Zoning Code Amendment No. 2025-0001.]
GO TO ITEM, UM, NUMBER 11, WHICH IS A ZONING CODE UPDATE.AND THEN I'LL HAVE STAFF TELL US ABOUT THIS MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL.
COULD I HAVE, UM, STATION ONE? THANK YOU, MAYOR.
UM, BEFORE WE GET STARTED, THIS, UH, ITEM INVOLVES A CHANGING OF PART OF THE ZONING CODE, AND MR. CHU WILL TAKE CARE OF GOING THROUGH THAT.
THERE'S ONE SECTION IN THE ORDINANCE THAT'S BEING PROPOSED, SECTION 20, AND IT INVOLVES PROPERTY OWNED BY KAISER HOSPITAL FOUNDATIONS.
AS WE DISCUSSED, UH, AS YOU DISCUSSED IN A CLOSED SESSION, UH, AT THREE, UH, TWO 30.
I'LL LET HIM MAKE A DISQUALIFICATION STATEMENT.
HE HAS TO TELL WHY HE'S BEING DISQUALIFIED.
BUT THE IDEA IS WE WILL TAKE UP THE TESTIMONY FOR THAT ELEMENT ONLY AT THIS TIME AND HAVE A STRAW VOTE ON THAT SECTION.
MR. GOBEL WILL BE OUT OF THE ROOM.
AND THEN ONCE THAT STRAW VOTE'S TAKEN, WE'LL COME BACK AND GO THROUGH THE REST OF THE ORDINANCE, ALL THE OTHER CHANGES THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED, AND MR. GOBEL CAN THEN PARTICIPATE IN THAT.
I AM DISQUALIFIED BECAUSE I LIVE LESS THAN 500 FEET FROM A AFFECTED PROPERTY.
UH, DOES, DOES HE NEED TO BE DISQUALIFIED FROM THE ENTIRE PROCEEDINGS OR JUST THE ONE ASPECT? JUST THIS, WE'RE GONNA TAKE UP SECTION 2020, THE ORDINANCE 20 THAT DEALS WITH HIS DISQUALIFICATION.
SO WE'LL DEAL WITH THAT FIRST AND THEN WE'LL BRING IT BACK, STEVE.
UH, LET ME START FIRST WITH AN INTRODUCTION OF THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO THE ELK ALCOHOL MUNICIPAL CODE ARE SPECIFICALLY TITLE 17, WHICH IS THE ZONING CODE.
UH, THE PROPOSED ZONING CODE AMENDMENTS WERE INITIATED, UH, BY THE CITY COUNCIL OVER THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS, AND THEY FOCUS ON HOUSING AND LARGE SCALE USE IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO RESIDENTIAL.
OTHER MINOR, NON, NON-SUBSTANTIVE CHANGES ARE ALSO INCLUDED TO IMPROVE CLARITY AND CONSISTENCY IN THE INTERPRETATION OF THE ZONING CODE, AS WELL AS A PROCEDURAL UPDATE TO ALLOW THE CITY COUNCIL TO EXPEDITE THE ENTITLEMENT DECISION PROCESS.
SO FORGIVE ME HERE, AS I THUMB THROUGH A FEW SLIDES AND THIS, LET ME START WITH, UM, LARGE SCALE USE OF PROPERTY, SPECIFICALLY HOSPITALS ON OFFICE PROFESSIONAL AND NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL ZONES.
UH, THESE TWO ZONES IN ALIGNMENT WITH THE GENERAL PLAN ARE DESIGNED TO, UM, HAVE USES THAT ARE COMPATIBLE WITH ADJACENT AND NEARBY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS.
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UM, SUITABLE USES WITHIN THESE ZONES TYPICALLY HAVE HOURS OF OPERATION THAT ARE COMPATIBLE WITH RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.UH, TYPICALLY NOT EXTENDING INTO THE LATE EVENING OR EARLY MORNING HOURS.
UH, FURTHERMORE, UH, THEY ARE TYPICALLY OF MINOR SCALE RELATIVE, UH, TO THE NEARBY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPED AREAS.
NOW, THROUGH STAFFS ANALYSIS, UH, THE CONDUCT OF LARGE SCALE REGIONAL SERVING, UM, 24 HOUR A DAY HOSPITAL WOULD BE INCONSISTENT WITH THE GENERAL PLAN AS WELL AS WITH THE OP AND THE CN ZONES.
UM, STAFF ANALYZED 327 PARCELS THAT ARE CURRENTLY ZONED OP AND CN.
AND WITH THAT ANALYSIS, UH, STAFF HAS RECOMMENDING TO THE CITY COUNCIL, UM, THAT THE LAND USE TABLE, THE COMMERCIAL LAND USE TABLE, UM, BE CHANGED TO REFLECT, UH, WHERE A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT WAS ONCE, UH, OR IS CURRENTLY ALLOWED, OR EXCUSE ME, IS A PROCESS THAT IS ALLOWED IN THE OP ZONE AND CN ZONE REPLACED WITH AN X.
UH, AN X MEANS THAT IT'S, UH, NOT PERMITTED OR NOT ALLOWED WITH THE CORRESPONDING USE.
BUT I'D ALSO LIKE TO NOTE THAT A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IS STILL REQUIRED FOR ANY CON UM, GENERAL COMMERCIAL AND REGIONAL COMMERCIAL ZONE PROPERTY AND STAFF IS AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THIS PROPOSED AMENDMENT.
UM, BEFORE WE, UH, HAVE SPEAKERS COME UP, UH, COUNSEL, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? NO.
UM, THEN THE PUBLIC HEARING IS OPEN AND ANGELA, I'D LIKE TO CALL UP ANY SPEAKERS THAT WE HAVE.
THE FIRST ONE IS SKYLAR DENNISON.
GOOD AFTERNOON COUNCIL, UH, MAYOR, UH, MAYOR WELLS.
UH, MY NAME IS SKYLAR DENNISTON.
I REPRESENT KAISER FOUNDATION HOSPITALS, AND WE ACQUIRED THE SITE AT THIS WOULD BE GREENFIELD AND MAINE, UM, SOME TIME AGO.
UM, THIS WAS FORMERLY THE EL CAJON VALLEY HOSPITAL, ABOUT 25 ACRES.
WE ACQUIRED THE SITE FOR THE SOLE PURPOSE OF DEVELOPING A MEDICAL, UM, HOSPITAL.
IN FACT, WE'VE HAD NUMEROUS CONVERSATIONS, YOU KNOW, WITH CITY STAFF, INCLUDING NOT TOO LONG AGO, TALKING ABOUT OUR TIMELINE FOR THAT HOSPITAL IN THIS FERRY CHAMBER.
AND, UH, BEHOLD, WE WERE A LITTLE BIT SURPRISED TO LEARN THAT LAST WEEK PLANNING COMMISSION DOWN ZONE, THAT SITE TO PROHIBIT HOSPITALS AT THAT LOCATION, DESPITE THE FACT THAT WE RECEIVED NO NOTICE AND THAT I WAS HAVING A CONVERSATION WITH THE CITY MANAGER THAT VERY DAY, IT JUST WASN'T COMMUNICATED TO ME.
NOW I UNDERSTAND THAT THE CITY WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT SITE DEVELOP WITH A HOSPITAL OR JUST DEVELOPED, SO WOULD WE, WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT SITE DEVELOPED WITH A HOSPITAL, BUT WE WOULD LIKE THAT OPPORTUNITY SO WE CAN GO AHEAD AND PROCEED WITH THAT.
YOU KNOW, THE REMOVAL AS A HOSPITAL, AS AN ALLOWABLE USE, IT'S JUST, IT'S A NON-STARTER.
WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS JUST AN OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH THE CITY TO FIND SOME TYPE OF RESOLUTION AND HOW WE CAN MEET, ACHIEVE YOUR NEEDS, BUT ALSO ACHIEVE OUR NEEDS.
IN FACT, WE HAD A CONVERSATION WITH THE CITY MANAGER YES.
YESTERDAY IN WHICH WE DISCUSSED OPPORTUNITIES FOR A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, A MEMBER MINIMUM OF UNDERSTANDING.
AND WE BELIEVE THERE WAS A LOT OF GOOD PROGRESS THAT WAS OCCURRED IN THAT MEETING.
HOWEVER, A DECISION CAN'T BE MADE IN 24 HOURS.
SO RESPECTFULLY, WE ASK THAT THIS ITEM BE CONTINUED.
SO WE WOULD HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO MEET WITH STAFF TO TALK ABOUT HOW WE CAN ACTUALLY MEET, UH, TO ACHIEVE THESE GOALS.
BECAUSE AT, UM, WE WOULD LIKE TO COMMIT TO BUILDING A HOSPITAL, A STATE OF OUR HOSPITAL FOR THIS COMMUNITY.
WELL, WE, WE FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY.
SO, UM, TO REALLY MOVE THIS CONVERSATION FORWARD.
SO FOR THIS REASON, I RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT THIS ITEM BE CONTINUED SO WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS IT IN GREATER DETAIL.
HOW MUCH TIME DO YOU NEED? WELL, WE'RE ASKING FOR 30 DAYS TO CONTINUE THE ITEM.
SO WE WOULD HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO, TO TALK ABOUT HOW WE CAN STRUCTURE FOR THAT SITE TO BE DEVELOPED.
DO YOU REALLY THINK THAT IN 30 DAYS YOU CAN COME BACK WITH A PLAN THAT PUTS CONSTRUCTION OF A HOSPITAL WITHIN SAY, FIVE YEARS? I WOULD SAY THAT CONTINUING THIS ITEM STARTS THAT CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT CAN BE ACHIEVED.
I CAN'T SPEAK TO EXACTLY WHAT CAN OCCUR.
I NEED TO TACKLE WHAT'S BEFORE US RIGHT NOW SO WE CAN HAVE THAT CONVERSATION.
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HAVE BEEN IN THIS HEARING BACK IN DECEMBER OF 2022 WHEN THE SPECIFIC PLAN WAS ADOPTED TO DO A JUST THAT, TO DEVELOP THE SITE WITH THE HOSPITAL SITE.AND WE WERE CLEAR ABOUT OUR TIMEFRAMES, THEN.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE'RE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION NOW.
WHEN DO WE START THIS PROCESS? UH, EITHER ONE CAN ANSWER ME.
UH, UM, I MEAN, I I'VE BEEN, I'VE BEEN ON THE COUNCIL A LONG TIME.
IT SEEMS LIKE A LONG TIME AGO THAT WE, THAT WE EN ENTITLED THIS.
I THINK, UM, IN 2012, WELL LONG BEFORE I GOT HERE, THERE WAS AN EXPECTATION THAT THE KAISER WOULD HAVE A HOSPITAL BUILT BY 2019.
AND SO FAST FORWARD AND UNTIL 2021, WE STARTED HAVING SOMETHING, WE STARTED ENGAGING WITH KAISER AGAIN ABOUT, HEY, NI 2029 IS COME AND GONE.
WHERE ARE YOU AT? OR 2019 IS COME AND GONE.
WHERE, WHERE WE AT RIGHT NOW? AND WE WERE TOLD THAT ENTITLEMENT WOULD START, THIS IS IN 2021, ENTITLEMENTS WOULD START THIS CALENDAR YEAR WITH CONSTRUCTION BEGINNING IN 2030.
THEN AT THE HEARING THAT WAS REFERRED TO BY MR. JENISON.
UH, WE WERE INFORMED THAT ENTITLEMENTS WOULD BEGIN IN 2030 WITH CONSTRUCTION.
I BELIEVE IT WAS, I THINK IT WAS SAID 2036, MAYBE 35.
MY FEAR IS THIS 2035 IS GONNA ROLL AROUND OR 2030 IS GONNA ROLL AROUND.
AND WE'RE TOLD IT'S ANOTHER FIVE YEARS.
ANOTHER FIVE YEARS, FIVE YEARS THUS FAR, NO DECISION.
THERE'S NOTHING BEEN IN KAISER'S, UM, DECISION MAKING PROCESS THAT GIVES ME CONFIDENCE THAT A HOSPITAL CAN BE BUILT IN FIVE YEARS.
HOWEVER, IF THE COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO ENTERTAIN AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT WOULD REQUIRE THEM TO BUILD A HOSPITAL, THEN UM, WE, WE CAN ENGAGE IN A CONVERSATION WITH THEM ABOUT THAT.
WELL, I'D LIKE TO HEAR ALL THE SPEAKERS FIRST AND ALL THE QUESTIONS BEFORE WE, BEFORE WE DECIDE ON THAT.
BUT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU START DATING A GIRL IN 2012 AND YOU SAY, WE, WE WILL BE MARRIED BY 2019 FOR SURE.
YOU KNOW, I, I THINK, I THINK SHE'D HAVE A REASON TO, TO START DOWNING YOUR VERACITY.
AND, UM, SO WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS THE, THE, THE PATIENTS HAS RUN THIN, UH, OF THE COUNCIL, THAT THAT PROPERTY IS AN EYESORE.
IT CAUSES PROBLEMS THROUGHOUT, THROUGHOUT THE, THE CITY.
AND THEY'RE SCREAMING AT US TO, TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS.
AND SO IF YOU WANNA TAKE, IF YOU WANT, I'M A I'M INCLINED TO SAY, YEAH, LET'S, LET'S GO AHEAD AND SEE, GIVE THE 30 DAYS, SEE IF WE CAN COME UP WITH A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
BUT IT, IT'S GOTTA BE TANGIBLE.
SO ANYWAY, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANTED TO SAY, SIR, OR NO? NO OTHER, NO OTHER COMMENTS.
NEXT SPEAKER, IT'S FERNANDO AVILA.
GOOD AFTERNOON, UH, CITY COUNCIL AND MR. MAYOR.
UH, MY NAME IS FERNANDO AVILA.
I'M A SENIOR COUNSEL IN THE, UH, KAISER PERMANENTE LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
UM, SOMETHING THAT JUST STRUCK ME THROUGHOUT THIS, YOU KNOW, VERY BRIEF TIME THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS AGENDA ITEM IS JUST THE FOCUS ON HOW KAISER HASN'T DEVELOPED ITS PROPERTY.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE'VE TRIED TO GET THEM TO COMMIT, BUT THEY HAVEN'T DONE THIS.
IT GOES BACK TO 2012, AND THAT'S WHY WE FIND OURSELVES HERE.
AND YET, ACCORDING TO THE STAFF'S PRESENTATION, THE REASON FOR DOING THIS CHANGE IS BECAUSE OF SUPPOSED ZONING INCONSISTENCIES AND LAND USE INCONSISTENCIES.
SO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO SAY THAT WHAT'S BEING PUT FORWARD ON THE RESOLUTION ISN'T THE REAL REASON, BUT IT DOES SOUND LIKE THAT THIS IS REALLY A ISSUE THAT STEMS FROM THE CITY'S FRUSTRATION WITH KAISER.
AND I'LL SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, MOST PROPERTY OWNERS, EVERY WELL-INFORMED PROPERTY OWNER WOULD KNOW THAT WHILE THE CITY CAN REGULATE THEIR LAND USE, UM, REGULATIONS AND ET CETERA, ET CETERA, ONE THING THEY CAN'T DO IS THEY CAN'T FORCE THEM TO DEVELOP.
THAT'S USUALLY CONSIDERED BEYOND THE SCOPE OF A CITY'S POLICE POWER.
BUT ONCE AGAIN, WE ALSO LIVE IN THE REAL WORLD AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE CITY HAS AN INTEREST IN SEEING, UM, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OCCUR WITHIN ITS WITHIN ITS BOUNDARIES.
SO WE FIND OURSELVES IN THIS SITUATION RIGHT NOW WHERE I THINK THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY.
YOU GUYS HAVE MOTIVATED US, YOU KNOW, WE'D LIKE TO HAVE A CONTINUANCE SO THAT WE COULD HAVE THIS A CONVERSATION AND SEE WHAT KIND OF ASSURANCES WE CAN GIVE THE CITY THAT ARE MEANINGFUL AND THAT WOULD ALSO MAKE SENSE FOR US.
SO FROM THAT PERS PERSPECTIVE, WE'D LIKE TO SEE THE 30 DAY CONTINUANCE AS MY COLLEAGUE MENTIONED.
UM, I MEAN, FOR OUR PART, WE AS, AS WE, UH, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, AND AS SKYLER MENTIONED, THIS HOSPITAL, THIS
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PROPERTY WAS ONCE A HOSPITAL.WE BOUGHT IT FOR THE PURPOSES OF DEVELOPING A HOSPITAL.
AND SO WE HAVE CERTAIN REASONABLE INVESTMENT BACKED EXPECTATIONS THAT IF THIS, UM, ZONING AMENDMENT WERE TO GO INTO EFFECT, THAT THAT WOULD FRUSTRATE AND WE WOULD BE FORCED TO DEFEND OUR RIGHTS AS ANY PROPERTY OWNER WOULD BE IN THAT INSTANCE.
BUT I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO GET THERE YET.
I THINK THERE'S TIME TO KEEP TALKING AND, UM, I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT HAPPEN.
SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
LAST SPEAKER IS JENNIFER LYNCH LYNCH, WELCOME.
I'M A LAND USE PARTNER AT THE LAW FIRM, MANAT PHELPS AND PHILLIPS.
AND I SPECIALIZE IN LAND USE AND SE A ISSUES.
THE COUNCIL HAS ALREADY HEARD WHY WE ARE ASKING FOR A 30 DAY CONTINUANCE TO BEGIN THE CONVERSATION AND MAKE THE ROOM IN ORDER TO DISCUSS THE POTENTIAL FOR A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT CAN BE MUTUALLY BENEFICIAL TO BOTH THE CITY AND KAISER.
BUT AS KAISER'S OUTSIDE COUNSEL, I HAVE TO BE THE BAD GUY.
AND I HAVE TO ALSO CAUTION THAT IF THE COUNCIL MOVES FORWARD WITH THIS REZONING TONIGHT, IT'LL BE VIOLATING KAISER'S RIGHTS TO EQUAL PROTECTION.
I KNOW THAT THE STAFF REPORT MENTIONS THAT WHAT THE REAL ISSUE HERE IS LAND USE COMPATIBILITY BETWEEN THE HOSPITAL USE AND THE RESIDENTIAL USE.
THAT'S NOT WHY WE'RE HERE AND THAT'S NOT WHY THE CITY IS CONSIDERING THIS REZONING ACTION.
OF COURSE, PUBLIC AGENCIES HAVE BROAD POLICE POWERS TO AMEND THEIR ZONING MAP, BUT IT HAS TO BE FOR A VALID PUBLIC PURPOSE.
HERE THE PURPOSE IS CLEARLY TO PUNISH KAISER FOR NOT MEETING THE CITY'S DESIRED DEVELOPMENT TIMELINES.
AND THAT'S AN EQUAL PROTECTION ISSUE.
NOTABLY, THE ONLY HEALTHCARE PROVIDER WITH ANY INVESTMENT BACKED EXPECTATIONS OF DEVELOPING A HOSPITAL IN THE OFFICE PROFESSIONAL ZONE IS KAISER.
THE ONLY ENTITY THAT IS AFFECTED BY THIS REZONING ACTION IS KAISER.
THE CITY'S PAST ACTIONS AND CORRESPONDENCE, A FEW OF WHICH I INCLUDED IN MY COMMENT LETTER THAT I SENT EARLIER THIS AFTERNOON, INDICATES WHAT THE TRUE INTENT OF THIS REZONING IS.
AND IT IS NOT ABOUT RESIDENTIAL AND HOSPITAL LAND USE COMPATIBILITY.
THE LAW IS CLEAR THAT THIS IS NOT A VALID USE OF THE CITY'S POLICE POWER.
CALIFORNIA'S REDEVELOPMENT LAW WAS REPEALED IN 2011.
THE CITY CANNOT TAKE KAISER'S PROPERTY AND REDEVELOPMENT REDEVELOP IT FOR THE CITY'S DESIRED TAX REVENUE.
THE CITY DOESN'T OWN THIS PROPERTY, KAISER DOES.
THERE IS NO EVIDENCE IN THE RECORD THAT ANY RESIDENTIAL USES WILL BE DISRUPTED BY A HOSPITAL USE ON THIS PROPERTY, WHICH HAS BEEN USED AS A HOSPITAL DATING BACK TO THE 1950S AS RECENTLY AS MARCH 25TH, AS RECENTLY AS YESTERDAY, AS RECENTLY AS A FEW MINUTES AGO.
IN THIS PUBLIC HEARING, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HOW THE CITY DESIRES THIS PROPERTY PD TO BE DEVELOPED WITH A HOSPITAL.
AND THAT'S INCONSISTENT WITH THE STATEMENTS IN THE STAFF REPORT THAT THIS IS TRULY ABOUT LAND USE COMPATIBILITY.
THERE ARE OTHER ISSUES HERE THAT WARRANT A CONTINUANCE.
THE CITY HAS NOT PROVIDED KAISER WITH PROPER NOTICE UNDER THE GOVERNMENT CODE OF THIS ACTION.
THE CITY HAS NOT COMPLIED WITH CQAI OUTLINE THESE ISSUES IN GREATER DETAIL IN THE COMMENT LETTER THAT I SUBMITTED EARLIER TODAY.
LIKE MY COLLEAGUES, I URGE THE COUNCIL TO CONTINUE THIS MATTER FOR AT LEAST 30 DAYS SO THAT WE CAN TALK ABOUT THESE ISSUES AND RESOLVE THEM.
ANYBODY WANNA SAY ANYTHING? NO, I WON'T.
I I JUST WONDERED IF ANYBODY HEARD IN THE BEGINNING OF MY COMMENTS THAT I'M INCLINED TO GIVE YOU THE 30 DAYS, YOU KNOW, SO YOU, YOU COME UP HERE AND YOU, YOU TELL ME WE'RE DISINGENUOUS AND YOU TELL ME YOU'RE GONNA TAKE US TO COURT.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRY, WE'RE TRYING TO WORK WITH YOU AND, AND IT, IT SEEMS VERY INSULTING TO ME THE WAY THAT YOU'VE APPROACHED THIS.
WELL, I APOLOGIZE SIR, BUT, BUT WE HAVE TO PROTECT OUR CLIENT'S INTEREST IF IN FACT, THE CITY GOES AHEAD AND DENIES OUR CONTINUANCE.
I UNDERSTAND YOUR LEGAL POINT OF VIEW.
WE ALSO HAVE ATTORNEYS THAT, THAT TELL US WE'RE WITHIN OUR RIGHTS TO DO THIS.
AND TWO THINGS CAN BE TRUE AT THE SAME TIME.
OF COURSE, IT CAN BE TRUE THAT IT'S IN AN INCOMPATIBLE USE AND IT CAN BE TRUE THAT WE'RE FRUSTRATED WITH YOUR, WITH YOUR MOVEMENT.
WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE WE'RE GONNA MOVE FORWARD AND, AND JUDGE IT BASED UPON ITS MERITS.
I'M JUST TELLING YOU IN THE FUTURE, IT A LITTLE LESS AGGRESSIVE MIGHT GET YOU MORE WHAT YOU WANT.
UH, I DOES THE WHAT, UH, MR. CITY MANAGER.
IT'S, THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR LONGER THAN 2012 THOUGH, RIGHT? WHEN WAS, WAS PROPERTY ACQUIRED? AM I, AM I, AM I WRONG IN THAT? Y YEAH, I, I DON'T KNOW.
I I DON'T HAVE THE DATA OF THE ACQUISITION.
I DO KNOW, UM, AND MS. LYNCH IS CORRECT.
THE HOSPITAL WAS BUILT IN THE MID 1950S, HOWEVER, IT HASN'T IS WAS TORN DOWN 23 YEARS AGO.
SO IT HASN'T OPERATED AS A HOSPITAL FOR 23 YEARS.
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PART OF THE ZONING WHERE THE HO THE KAISER OWNS IS ACTUALLY ZONED FOR HOUSING.AND WE'RE CURRENTLY IN A HOUSING CRISIS.
AND I THINK WE'RE LOOKING AT WHAT IS A HIGHER AND BETTER USE THAN A HOSPITAL.
AND IF A HOSPITAL'S NOT GONNA BE BUILT, WHICH THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO THAT.
UH, WE NEED TO START CONTEMPLATING OTHER OPPORTUNITIES THAT OUR COMMUNITY COULD BENEFIT FROM.
I JUST, I'M, I PUT MYSELF INTO THE PUBLIC AND THE RESIDENCE VIEW WHERE KAISER IS A HUGE CONGLOMERATE.
THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, PUTTING THEIR NAMES ON SOCCER TEAMS AND, YOU KNOW, SPONSORING ALL THESE EVENTS AND, AND P AND THEN THAT SAME RESIDENT GOES TO SHARP TO THE EMERGENCY ROOM AND THEY'RE BEING TREATED IN THE LOBBY.
AND FOR 20 YEARS THAT'S BEEN HAPPENING.
KAISER'S SPENDING ALL THIS MONEY, SPENDING ALL THIS MONEY, AND, AND THEN WE'RE STILL TRYING TO SEE A DOCTOR IN THE EMERGENCY ROOM IN THE LOBBY.
I MEAN, YOU GOTTA PUT YOURSELF IN THE POSITION OF THE RESIDENT AND SAY THAT, THAT, THAT DOESN'T SEEM RIGHT.
YOU KNOW? UM, AND, YOU KNOW, FOOL ME ONCE, SHAME ON ME, FOOL ME FOR 23 YEARS WHERE IT'S JUST GETTING STRUNG ALONG, STRUNG ALONG, STRUNG ALONG.
WE'RE GONNA BUILD, WE'RE GONNA BUILD, WE'RE GONNA BUILD, WE'RE GONNA BUILD IT TO THE MAYOR'S POINT, IT JUST SEEMS DISINGENUOUS.
AND SO WHEN WE AS A COUNCIL REPRESENT THE COMMUNITY, WE DON'T BELIEVE YOU THAT YOU'RE GONNA BUILD A HOSPITAL.
I MEAN, AFTER SO MANY YEARS, THE COMMUNITY DOESN'T BELIEVE THAT IT'S GONNA BE A HOSPITAL.
WE JUST DON'T, WE'VE GOTTEN TO THE POINT WHERE WE, WE JUST DON'T BELIEVE IT.
IT'S JUST GONNA BE AN, UH, WE'RE GONNA BE PUSHED BACK AND PUSHED ASIDE AND PUSHED BACK AND PUSHED ASIDE FOR, FOR ANOTHER 5, 10, 15 YEARS.
AND, UM, SO FROM A PUBLIC PERSPECTIVE, IT'S, YOU GOT IN THIS STURDY DAYS, YOU GOTTA COME TO THE PUBLIC AND CONVINCE US OTHERWISE AND, AND SHOW US, HEY, WE, WE REALLY WANT TO BE A PARTNER IN THIS COMMUNITY.
WE REALLY WANNA SERVE THIS COMMUNITY.
IT'S NOT JUST, UM, JUST EMPTY WORDS, WHICH IS WHAT THE, WHAT THE COMMUNITY FEELS RIGHT NOW.
UM, AND SO MUCH SO THAT THESE LITTLE COMMUNITY HEALTH ORGANIZATIONS ARE POPPING UP ALL OVER THE PLACE BECAUSE SHARP CAN'T HANDLE THE EMERGENCY ROOM, UM, DYNAMICS.
UM, SO YEAH, AND I AGREE WITH THE MAYOR.
TWO, TWO THINGS CAN BE TRUE AT THE SAME TIME.
BUT, UM, IT, IT'S, I I I, I NEED, I NEED, UH, KAISER'S LEADERSHIP TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE PERCEPTION IS.
AND IF YOU'RE GONNA COME INTO A COMMUNITY AND MAKE EMPTY PROMISES, THEY'RE, THAT'S NOT GOOD BUSINESS.
YOU KNOW, LIKE, YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOME ASSURANCES AND COME THROUGH ON YOUR WORD.
AND SO, UM, THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'LL, THAT'S THE ADVICE I WOULD GIVE TO COUNCIL AND TO CORPORATE.
AND I KNOW YOU, I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF YOU REPRESENTED THEM BACK IN 2012 WHEN THEY ACQUIRED THE PROPERTY, YOU KNOW? SO THIS, ALL, THIS PREDATES A LOT OF US, YOU KNOW, BUT WE ARE WHERE WE ARE IN THIS SITUATION AND WE'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE DECISIONS BEING MADE.
AND SO I WOULD STRONGLY IMPLORE, HEY, COME TO I, I'M, I'M OF THE SAME MINDSET OF THE MAYOR.
LET'S GIVE YOU 30 DAYS, LET'S COME UP WITH A REAL DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
AND, UM, IT WAS KIND OF, IT WAS SO FRUSTRATING WHEN WE HEARD THAT THE KAISER AND, UH, KEARNEY WAS BEING BUILT.
WE'RE LIKE, OH, WE GOT PUSHED OUT AGAIN.
YOU KNOW? UM, SO KEEP THAT PERSPECTIVE.
UM, I KNOW YOU WANT TO BE A GOOD COMMUNITY PARTNER.
UM, AND SO COME, COME TO US WITH THAT.
MIGHT I RESPOND? OF COURSE, PLEASE.
I, AND I THINK THAT THAT IS WHAT THE 30 DAYS CAN DO FOR US, RIGHT? WE CAN COME UP WITH A TERM SHEET, AN ENA AND MOUA DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
THERE'S LOTS OF DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WE CAN DO EVEN IN JUST 30 DAYS.
AND SO WE REALLY WANNA TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT CONTINUANCE IF IT'S OFFERED.
AND HERE'S THE THING, I I, I'M IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR.
I WORK WITH BUILDERS, YOU KNOW, WE ALL HAVE PRIVATE SECTOR EXPERIENCE.
I KNOW IT'S, IT'S A LOT TO BUILD A HOSPITAL.
IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT A 30 DAY THING.
IT'S, AND YOU'RE DEALING WITH A LOT OF CORPORATE STRUCTURES AND TAKING, TAKING TIME TO FIGURE THAT OUT.
AND I THINK EL CAJON, I THINK YOU COULD SAY THAT EL CAJONS BEEN PATIENT.
I, I, I THINK THAT'S A FAIR STATEMENT TO SAY WE'VE BEEN PATIENT, WE UNDERSTAND THE, UM, THE DYNAMICS OF DEVELOPMENT.
AND I FEEL LIKE 20 SOMETHING YEARS, EVEN 10 YEARS IS A LONG TIME.
AND, UH, WE JUST DON'T WANT TO, I DON'T WANNA SEE IT GO ANOTHER 10 YEARS, YOU KNOW? SO, UM, LET'S GO TO THE NEGOTIATING TABLE AND COME UP WITH SOMETHING GOOD.
ANYBODY ELSE WANNA ASK HER A QUESTION? UH, YEAH.
MAYOR AND COUNSEL, I JUST WANNA CLARIFY A COUPLE THINGS.
THERE IS NO, THIS IS NOT A PROPOSED REZONING OF THE SUBJECT OF THIS PROPERTY.
327 PROPERTIES ARE AFFECTED BY AN AMENDMENT TO THE LAND USE TABLE.
UH, AND THAT'S ALL SINCE THERE WERE 327 PROPERTIES.
AND A NOTICE OF 300 FEET FROM ALL 327
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PROPERTIES WOULD FAR EXCEED A THOUSAND OWNERS, UM, IN CONFORMANCE WITH GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 65 0 9 0.UM, PUBLIC HEARING WAS, UM, POSTED IN THE DAILY TRANSCRIPT, UH, ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE IN THE CITY'S, UH, ON THE CITY'S, UM, KIOSK AND INTO PUBLIC LIBRARIES.
ARE ARE THERE ANY MORE SPEAKERS? NO OTHER SPEAKERS? SIR, I MAKE A MOTION THEN TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING A SECOND.
UH, THE QUESTION ON THE TABLE IS, UM, DO WE WANT TO, UH, MAYOR, BEFORE WE GO TOO FAR, WE'VE GOT A PUBLIC HEARING ON AN ENTIRE ORDINANCE, NOT JUST THIS SEGMENT OF THE ORDINANCE.
SO RATHER THAN CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, IF YOU JUST KEEP IT OPEN AND WE'LL, YOU CAN RECESS THAT WHILE YOU TAKE A DISCUSSION AND A STRAW VOTE ON THIS SECTION.
DO YOU NEED A NEW VOTE FOR, YOU SHOULD REOPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
SO WE'RE, UH, I'D LIKE TO REOPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
MOTION CARRIES BY A UNANIM VOTE.
AND AS A, AS AN ATTORNEY EXPLAINED, UM, WE'RE JUST, BECAUSE STEVE'S NOT INVOLVED IN THIS, WE'RE GONNA TAKE THIS RIGHT NOW.
AND THE QUESTION IS, DO WE WANT TO LET STAFF AND KAISER WORK OUT A, A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT OVER THE NEXT 30 DAYS? I THINK THAT'S REASONABLE.
SHALL I MAKE A MOTION ON THAT, MR. MAYOR? UNLESS ANYBODY ELSE WANTS TO SPEAK ABOUT THAT.
UH, I'LL MOVE THAT WE MI MR. KENDRICK BE, IF, IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION YOU'RE GOING.
I THINK THERE'S A COUPLE THINGS YOU NEED TO EX CONTEMPLATE.
GIVING A 30 DAY EXTENSION, THE COUNCIL CAN CONTINUE THIS PORTION OF THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR 30 DAYS.
SO YOU CAN DO THAT WITHOUT HAVING TO NOTICE.
UM, AND THAT PUTS US AT MAY 20TH.
IT MAY TAKE US A MONTH JUST TO GET OUR CALENDARS ALIGNED WITH KAISER PERMANENTE.
ONE IS THAT WE WOULD COME BACK ON MAY 20TH WITH A STATUS UPDATE, WITH ANOTHER ABILITY TO CONTINUE FOR ANOTHER 30 DAYS.
OR DOES THE COUNCIL JUST WANT TO GIVE US A BIGGER BLOCK OF TIME? AND THEN WE WOULD JUST HAVE TO RE-NOTICE THAT PORTION OF THE PUBLIC HEARING.
I WANNA ASK KAISER TO, TO WEIGH ON THIS.
AND ACTUALLY, MAY 20TH IS NOT A MEETING DATE.
IT WILL GO ANOTHER WEEK TO MAY 27TH.
UM, DOES THAT SEEM, NO, ABSOLUTELY.
I THINK, UH, GRAHAM MITCHELL'S, UH, COMMENTS ARE ASTUTE.
IT'S GONNA TAKE SOME TIME TO KIND OF HAMMER THIS OUT.
SO, WELL, WHAT'S A REALISTIC, UH, AMOUNT OF TIME YOU THINK, BUT THE TWO OF YOU? UH, I, I MEAN, LET'S, LET'S SAY THIS, HOW ABOUT WE PUT SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA FOR THE FIRST MEETING OF JULY FOR EITHER BRINGING THIS BACK OR PRESENTING A, UM, A ROUGH LIKE PROGRESS REPORT OR EVEN SOME, A TERM SHEET OF SOME SORT.
DO YOU AGREE? YEAH, I THINK A DRAFT, I THINK A PROGRESS REPORT, POTENTIALLY A DRAFT TERM SHEET BY JULY IS WHAT WE'RE SAYING.
I WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND THAT.
AND, UH, GARY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO, TO, UH, RE MAKE THE MOTION AGAIN WITH THE CAVEAT, CAVEAT THAT WE WILL, UH, DISCUSS THIS ON JULY 8TH? UH, I'LL WITHDRAW THAT TO MOTION AND MAKE A NEW MOTION TO, WE'LL DISCUSS THIS AGAIN ON JULY 8TH.
SO CONTINUE TO, THEN I'LL SECOND THAT.
IS THAT THE GOOD MORGAN? YEAH.
MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.
ALRIGHT, I'M GONNA GET MR. GOBEL AND WE'LL CONTINUE WITH THE REST.
SO, JUST AS A BRIEF REMINDER, UM, THE PROPOSED ZONING CODE AMENDMENTS WERE I ISSUED BY THE CITY COUNCIL OVER THE LAST, UM, SEVERAL MONTHS WITH A FOCUS ON HOUSING AND, UM, OTHER, UM, CHANGES.
SO LET ME GO THROUGH THOSE, UM, QUICKLY.
UM, IN TERMS OF HOUSING AND THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS ALIGN THE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT ORDINANCE IN THIS, UH, CITY'S MUNICIPAL CODE, UH, WITH STATE LAW, STATE LAW'S CHANGING EVERY YEAR AS IT RELATES TO HOUSING AND SPECIFICALLY ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS.
SO ALIGNING THE CITY'S CODE WITH STATE LAW BASICALLY MEANS THAT PARKING IS NO LONGER REQUIRED WITH ANY TYPE OF A DU DEVELOPMENT, WHETHER THAT'S ONE A DU OR TWO ADU WITH, UM, A NEW MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT OR EIGHT UP TO EIGHT ADUS, UM, ON AN EXISTING MULTIFAMILY
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DEVELOPMENT THAT HAS AT LEAST EIGHT OR MORE UNITS.UM, FIRE SPRINKLERS ARE NOT REQUIRED IN THE PRIMARY DWELLING.
SO THAT'S JUST SOME CLARITY, UM, IN THE CITY'S CODE.
AND ALSO ALIGNING THAT AN A DU CAN BE, UM, AS CLOSE AS FOUR FEET, UH, TO THE, UH, PROPERTY LINES AND ANYWHERE FROM 18 TO 25 FEET.
UH, THESE ARE, UH, NEW STATE LAWS THAT TOOK EFFECT AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR AND WE'RE JUST LINING THE CITY'S CODE TO BE IN CONFORMANCE WITH STATE LAW.
ANOTHER ITEM WAS, UM, DIRECTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL IN MARCH, I BELIEVE, MARCH 25TH.
AND AS THE COUNCIL KNOWS, THE EXISTING HOUS EMERGENCY HOUSING REGULATIONS ALLOWS UP TO SIX EMERGENCY HOUSING UNITS ON PROPERTIES, UM, THAT ARE DEVELOPED WITH A NON-GOVERNMENTAL INSTITUTIONAL USE AS THE PRIMARY FUNCTION OF THAT PROPERTY.
AND LOCATED ON A PRIMARY SECONDARY THOROUGHFARE, UH, THE COUNCIL, UH, DIRECTED STAFF, UH, TO DRAFT NEW REGULATIONS THAT WOULD ALLOW TWO ADDITIONAL UNITS AFTER A YEAR'S OPERATION WITHOUT ISSUE CODE COMPLIANCE OR SUBSTANTIATE SUBSTANTIATED VIOLATIONS OF AN, OF, YOU KNOW, OF A CODE NATURE.
IF EIGHT UNITS WERE OPERATED WITHOUT ANY ISSUES, UM, EACH AMENDMENT, OF COURSE, IS SUBJECT TO AN AMENDMENT OF THE GOVERNING ADMINISTRATIVE ZONING PERMIT WHERE STAFF WOULD ANALYZE, UM, THE EMERGENCY HOUSING OPERATION, UM, IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE BUILDING CODE, UM, INCLUDING, UM, THE CONSTRUCTION OF THOSE UNITS AND SUPPORT SYSTEMS SUCH AS BATHROOMS AND SHOWER FACILITIES AND, UM, UH, COOKING ARRANGEMENTS, UM, TO ENSURE THAT THAT SITE WOULD HAVE THE, THE CAPACITY TO SUPPORT EITHER SIX, EIGHT OR 10 UNITS.
AND THEN FINALLY, UM, STATE LAW REQUIRES THAT, UH, LOCAL GOVERNMENT, UH, MAY NOT HOLD, HOLD MORE THAN FIVE PUBLIC HEARINGS TO CONSIDER PROPOSED HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS.
UM, IF THE PROJECT COMPLIES WITH ALL APPLICABLE STANDARDS, UH, MORE MOREOVER, THE LAW DEFINES, UH, A HEARING AS ANY PUBLIC HEARING, A WORKSHOP OR SIMILAR MEETING HELD BY THE DEPARTMENT, UM, AND, AND EITHER AT THE CITY COUNCIL OR THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
NOW, IF A CITY, UM, CONTINUES A HEARING, THE CONTINUED HEARING COUNTS AS ONE IS THOSE FIVE ALLOWED HEARINGS UNDER STATE LAW.
A STAFF BELIEVES THAT THIS PROCEDURAL BENEFIT AND STREAMLINING, STREAMLINING EFFORT FOR HOUSING DEVELOPMENT SHOULD ALSO APPLY TO ANY PROJECT THAT GOES TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THEN ONTO THE CITY COUNCIL.
SO, UH, THE CURRENT ZONING CODE REGULATIONS DO ALLOW A MEMBER OF THE CITY COUNCIL TO REQUEST A REVIEW OF A RESOLUTION, UH, THAT EITHER APPROVED OR DENIED A PROJECT, UH, BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
BUT THE REGULATIONS DO NOT ALLOW THE CITY COUNCIL, UH, TO MOVE A CONTINUED HEARING AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR A DECISION.
SO THE PROPOSED CHANGE OF THE ZONING CODE WOULD ALLOW A MEMBER OF THE CITY COUNCIL TO MOVE A PUBLIC HEARING AFTER TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS AND NO ACTION AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION, OR AGAIN, IF NO ACTION HAS BEEN TAKEN WITHIN 180 DAYS OF THE FIRST CONTINUED PUBLIC HEARING.
AND THIS IS, UM, AND I THINK IN LINE WITH THE STREAMLINING EFFORTS THAT CITY COUNCIL HAS MADE OVER THE YEARS, UM, AND ONE THAT WOULD BENEFIT, UM, DEVELOPMENTS THAT WOULD REQUIRE PLANNING COMMISSION AND, AND OTHER ITEMS, UH, THAT REQUIRE PLANNING COMMISSION DECISION AS WELL AS THE CITY COUNCIL STAFF IS AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY OF THOSE.
ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THOSE AMENDMENTS? AND IF THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS, THEN THE STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT.
UM, WE, WELL, THE PLANNING COM, UM, THE PUBLIC HEARING IS OPEN, UH, THAT YOU RECEIVE ANY TESTIMONY, UM, THEN CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND MOVE TO ADOPT THE PROPOSED S QL RESOLUTION AND THEN INTRODUCE THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE, PROPO PROPO, UM, APPROVING THE ZONING CODE AMENDMENT, UH, MINUS THE COMMERCIAL LAND USE TABLE, WHICH IS SECTION, UH, 20 IN THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE.
TONY, THE FIVE HEARINGS, THAT'S PER PROJECT? YES.
UH, QUESTIONS FOR TONY MICHELLE.
I HAVE A QUESTION REGARDING THE A DU HEIGHT, THE 18 TO 25 FOOT HEIGHT.
UM, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF, UM, TALK ON NEWS OF SAN DIEGO HAVING ISSUES WITH RESIDENTS HAVING A D IN, UM, ADJACENT PROPERTIES AND THEY GO UP TO 25, THEY'RE TWO STORY ADUS AND THEY'RE JUST BEING ABLE TO LOOK INTO, YOU KNOW, THEIR NEIGHBOR'S BACKYARD AND EVERYTHING.
DO WE FORESEE PROBLEMS WITH THAT? I I, I'M SORRY I MISSED THAT
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IN READING OVER THE AGENDA, BUT IT JUST SEEMS REALLY HIGH.SO, UM, IF A NEIGHBORHOOD WAS OPPOSED TO A TWO STORY A DU, WOULD THEY HAVE ANY GROUND TO STAND ON OR WOULD THEY JUST HAVE TO COMPLY WITH STATE? THEY WOULD HAVE NO RECOURSE.
AND IT'S A MINISTERIAL PERMIT PROCESS, SO IT'S ALLOWED BY WRIGHT AND CONFORMANCE WITH STATE LAW.
UM, ANYMORE SPEAKER CARDS? NO MORE SPEAKER CARDS.
MAKE A MOTION THAN CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING.
WE WERE JUST, WE'RE WE'RE JUST CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING.
WE'RE GONNA LEAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
OH, THAT WAS FOR THE DIFFERENT, YEAH.
UH, MORGAN JUST HAD US KEEP IT, KEEP IT GOING.
THE MICROPHONE'S NOT WORKING RIGHT.
SO, UH, PLEASE VOTE ON CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING.
MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.
NOW COMMENTS? DISCUSSION, YOUR HONOR.
OKAY, LET ME MAKE SURE THE WORDS ARE COMING OUT CORRECTLY THIS TIME.
UH, MERIDIAN BAPTIST CHURCH HAS A CHANGE OF, UH, OPINION OR DESIRE.
THEY WANT TO GET FOUR MORE APPROVED UP TO FOUR MORE APPROVED NOW RATHER THAN TWO WAIT A YEAR.
AND THEN TWO, I'M OKAY WITH THAT COLLEAGUES.
HOWEVER, I EXPRESS TO THEM MY CONCERN THAT, UH, THERE ARE MANY THINGS THAT NEED TO BE REVIEWED BY THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR.
FIRE CODES, ELECTRICAL CODES, BUILDING CODES, WASTEWATER CODES, ALL THAT APPLY.
WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT, AND BECAUSE IT'S AN ADMINISTRATIVE ZONING PERMIT, MR. CH HAS AUTHORITY TO, TO GRANT THESE UNITS.
I THINK THE CHECK AND BALANCE IS THERE THAT IF WE GO UP TO 10, HE STILL HAS THE AUTHORITY TO SAY, WELL, I'LL GIVE YOU TWO BECAUSE YOU HAVEN'T SHOWN THAT YOU HAVE ELECTRICAL CAPACITY FOR FOUR.
AND I THINK THAT CHECK AND BALANCE IS THERE.
SO I WOULD CHANGE SECTION 24, PARAGRAPH FOUR, SECTION A TO REFLECT THAT THEY COULD HAVE UP TO FOUR AFTER COMPLETING SIX COMPLIANT UNITS.
STAFF HAVE ANY OBJECTION TO THAT? MAY I ASK MR. SHOOT, IS THIS SOMETHING THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION CONSIDERED AS AN OPTION? THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT DID GO THROUGH THE PLANNING COMMISSION FIRST, YES.
BUT WAS THERE A DISCUSSION OR, OR OPTIONS PROVIDED TO THEM TO GO IMMEDIATELY TO FOUR AS OPPOSED TO A TWO STEP PROCESS? THERE WAS NOT, YOU KNOW, I FEAR THAT THERE'S A LACK OF HAVING THE PLANNING COMMISSION INVOLVEMENT IN THIS AND THE PUBLIC INVOLVED AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION LEVEL BY SIMPLY CHANGING THAT UNILATERAL UNILATERALLY HERE AT THE COUNCIL.
UM, IT CAN ALWAYS COME BACK WITH A NEW AMENDMENT SHORTLY AFTER GOING TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
IF YOU WANT TO, UH, PROVE IT TODAY, TONIGHT FOR FIRST READING, UM, YOU CAN ALWAYS INSTRUCT THE STAFF IF THAT'S A WILL OF THE COUNCIL TO TAKE IT BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO MAKE THAT MODIFICATION.
IT'LL TAKE A COUPLE MONTHS PROBABLY TO GET TO THAT POINT, BUT, UH, I JUST WANNA WARN YOU OF THAT.
IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT PLANNING COMMISSION HAD CONSIDERED, MAKING IT A JUMP TO FOUR IMMEDIATELY, THAT'D BE OKAY.
AND IF THEY SAID NO, WE'D WANT TO GO TO TWO, TWO, BUT IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE THAT THAT WAS EVER AN OPTION PRESENTED TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
AND WE DON'T HAVE ANYBODY FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION, LEGAL DEPARTMENT OR STAFF WHO WOULD'VE BEEN, WELL, WE GOT MR. CHUTE HERE AND HE KNOWS WHAT HAPPENS AT PLANNING COMMISSIONS.
WERE YOU AT THAT MEETING OR DID, DID YOU SEND MR. ALVY MAYOR AND COUNSEL? UH, MR. ALVY ATTENDED THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, HOWEVER, IN HIS DEBRIEF WITH ME, HE INDICATED THAT THERE WAS NO DISCUSSION ABOUT, UH, GOING STRAIGHT TO FOUR, THAT ITEM.
SO DO YOU WANT TO APPROVE THIS AS IS TODAY AND THEN SEND AN AMENDMENT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING? THAT'S THE WILL OF THE COUNCIL TO GO ALONG WITH THE IDEA THAT THERE CAN BE A ONE STEP UP, UH, UNDER THE ADMINISTRATIVE ZONE PERMIT PROCESS, UM, THEN, THEN THAT WOULD APPROVING IT TODAY FOR FIRST READING.
UM, AND THEN ULTIMATELY ADOPTION OF THIS SECTION AS WE'LL GET TO IN A LITTLE LATER.
UM, IT CAN, AT THE SAME TIME, IF THE COUNCIL'S WILLING, UH, WANTING TO DO THAT AND GO ALONG WITH THAT IDEA, CAN DIRECT STAFF TO TAKE IT BACK TO THE
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PLANNING COMMISSION TO MODIFY THAT ONCE AGAIN.THAT WORKS FOR, I THINK, MERIDIAN BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE FUNDS TO DO TWO NOW AND THEY SAID THEY WANNA DO TWO MORE IN THE FALL, SO THAT GIVES US PLENTY OF TIME TO APPROVE.
THIS WOULD GET THEM GOING ON TO TWO NOW.
AND THAT GIVES US REALLY THE SUMMER TO MODIFY THE SECTION IF IT'S APPROVED TO GO STRAIGHT TO FOUR.
BY GOING THROUGH THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
IS THAT THAT WHAT YOU, EVERYTHING YOU WANTED TO SAY? YEAH, THAT'LL WORK.
I'LL GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION.
FIRST WE NEED TO ADOPT THE SQL RESOLUTION, THEN I'D LIKE A SEPARATE MOTIONS A MOTION TO INTRODUCE THE APPROVE AND INTRODUCE THE ORDINANCE.
WE'LL WITH THE MOTION SHOULD INCLUDE WITH THE EXCEPTION OF SECTION 20, PLEASE.
SO I WILL MOVE TO ADOPT THE SQL RESOLUTION.
MOTION CARRIES MAY UNANIMOUS VOTE.
AND I'LL MOVE TO INTRODUCE THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE APPROVING THE ZONING CONE AMENDMENT, UH, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF SECTION 20.
MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.
AND THE TITLE OF THE ORDINANCE READS AN ORDINANCE APPROVING AN AMENDMENT TO TITLE 17 OF THE ALCOHOL MUNICIPAL CODE.
SONY CODE FOR HOUSING COMMERCIAL LAND USES PERMIT, STREAMLINING AND OTHER MINOR TECHNICAL CHANGES, REVISIONS, AND EDITS.
WELL, I DID NOT FORGET NUMBER 10.
[10. Adoption of New Fees, Modification and Elimination of Existing Fees, and Amendment of Schedule of Miscellaneous Fees RECOMMENDATION: That the City Council: Opens the Public Hearing and receives testimony; Closes the Public Hearing; and Adopts the next Resolution, in order, to modify certain existing fees, add and delete certain fees, and amend the City’s Schedule of Miscellaneous Fees.]
SO LET'S GO BACK TO NUMBER 10, WHICH IS THE ADOPTION OF NEW FEES, MODIFICATION AND ELIMINATION OF EXISTING FEES FOR THE SCHEDULE OF MISCELLANEOUS FEES.AND I'LL ASK STAFF TO TELL US ABOUT THIS.
THIS IS ACTUALLY MY AGENDA ITEM AND I HAD ALL THESE PAGES OF A SCRIPT TO READ TO YOU TO THIS AFTERNOON, BUT, UH, YOU GUYS TOOK ALL MY TIME.
SO
THIS IS THE ANNUAL REVIEW OF, UH, UH, FEES AND, UH, UH, UH, CHARGES THAT WE BRING TO CITY COUNCIL.
WE DO IT, UH, AT A TIMING, SO THAT TIME IT, SO THAT IT WILL BECOME EFFECTIVE AT THE BEGINNING OF THE FISCAL YEAR.
AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE IT IN APRIL, UH, EVERY YEAR.
IT TOOK US A WHILE TO FIGURE THAT OUT BECAUSE NORMALLY THEY GO INTO EFFECT IMMEDIATELY, BUT THE LAW REQUIRES, UH, 30 DAY, UM, REFERENDUM PERIOD FOR CERTAIN DEVELOPMENT FEES THAT WE APPROVE.
IF WE DON'T HAVE THOSE DEVELOPMENT FEES BEING CHANGED, WE DON'T BOTHER, UM, DOING IT THIS EARLY.
UH, THE REPORT, UH, GIVES YOU A, A HIGHLIGHT OF THE CHANGES.
THERE'S A, A SCHEDULE THAT SHOWS THE CHANGES IS ALSO ATTACHED, UM, OF IMPORTANCE OR A LOT OF FIRE DEPARTMENT CHANGES.
MOST OF THOSE ARE JUST A REALLOCATION OF FEES INTO DIFFERENT SORTS OF, OF, UH, UH, PERMITS AND, AND, AND REDUCTION OF FEES.
THE CITY CLERK, UM, FOR SOME CRAZY REASON, WANTS TO STOP FINGERPRINTING AND DECIDES THAT WE'LL DELETE THAT FEE.
UM, THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT HAS THE BUILDING AS WELL AS THE, UH, PLANNING FEES.
UH, SOME OF THOSE ARE TAKING A, A SIZABLE JUMP.
AND AS IT'S NOTICED IN THE REPORT, I THINK, UM, IN THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT SIDE OF THINGS, THERE'S AN, UH, I'M SORRY, NOT, NOT COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.
UH, THE, THE, THE REAL CHANGES ARE IN THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT WHERE WE MODIFY IT BASED ON THE LOCAL CHAPTER OF THE, UM, INTERNATIONAL CODE COUNCIL.
SO THAT VALUATIONS TABLE, UH, TAKES CARE OF, UM, UH, HOW WE CHARGE BUILDING, BUILDING FEES.
UH, UH, YEAH, THE, THE, UH, BUILDING PERMIT FEES, THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, WE HAD A SPLIT, AS YOU KNOW, OF THE, THE PUBLIC WORKS INTO ENGINEERING AND PUBLIC WORKS AND ENGINEERING.
UM, AND SO THERE'S A LOT OF WHAT THE CHANGES ARE ARE REALLOCATING, UH, MANY FEES THAT WERE PART OF JUST SIMPLY PUBLIC WORKS NOW INTO ENGINEERING AND OTHERS INTO PUBLIC WORKS AND REMAIN IN PUBLIC WORKS.
UM, THERE'S WHERE YOU MIGHT FIND A, A SIZABLE OR, OR SIGNIFICANT, I GUESS, INCREASE, BUT STILL, AS WITH ALL THESE FEES, IT NOT MORE THAN IT COSTS TO DO THE BUSINESS HERE, NOT MORE THE COST FOR STAFF TO PROCESS, UH, PERMITS, REVIEW PLANS, AND, AND, UH, INSPECT, UH, UH, PROJECTS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
UM, WE ALSO HAD FINALLY THE ONE, ONE, UM, NEW FEE UNDER, UNDER, UH, THE FIRE.
AND THAT IS THE NON-EMERGENT LIFT ASSIST FEE.
AS YOU MAY RECALL, WE BROUGHT THE, UH, ORDINANCE TO YOU, AND THIS IS JUST THE SECOND HALF OF IT TO GET THE FEE ADOPTED BY THE RESOLUTION THAT WOULD APPLY BEGINNING JULY ONE.
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SO THE TIMING OF THAT ORDINANCE, AND THIS WILL BOTH TAKE PLACE ON JULY ONE, UH, PARKS AND RECREATIONS HAS A, UH, AN ADDITIONAL PICKLEBALL USAGE FEE.I'M NOT SURE WHAT THAT IS, BUT I, MR. UH, TURNER RUDE THINKS IT'S GOOD, SO IF HE DOES, I I I LIKE IT TOO.
I JUST WANNA POINT OUT AGAIN, THAT WHEN CONDUCTING THIS, THIS, UH, PROCESS STAFF IS CHARGED WITH MAKING SURE THAT THEY CALCULATE, UH, THE AMOUNT OF THE FEE BASED ON THE USE, UH, OR THE USE OF STAFF TIME AND COSTS THEM OF MONEY FOR NOTICES OF, UH, AND FOR PUBLIC HEARINGS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
AND SO WE MEET THE REQUIREMENTS UNDER ARTICLE 13 C OF THE, UH, CALIFORNIA CONSTITUTION, AS WELL AS THE GOVERNMENT CODE THAT REQUIRES THAT WE CAN'T CHARGE A FEE FOR MORE THAN IT'S REASONABLY NECESSARY TO REIMBURSE THE STAFF.
AND SO ALL OF THESE, UH, DEPARTMENT HEADS HAVE GIVEN ME THEIR THUMBS UP, THAT THEY'VE DONE THE CORRECT STUDIES AND ANALYSES AND, AND, UH, THAT, THAT THESE ALL MEET THOSE.
IF YOU, UH, HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE LET US KNOW.
LEMME SEE IF THERE ARE SPEAKER CARDS ON THIS ITEM.
ALRIGHT, UH, ANY QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION? OKAY.
UM, YOU KNOW WHAT, I, I OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
I HAVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, SO, UH, MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING.
MOTION CARRIES BY A UNANIM VOTE.
ALRIGHT, SO IT'S BACK WITH THE COUNCIL FOR A, A MOTION, UH, MOVE.
MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.
[12. Adoption of a Resolution of Intention to Amend the CalPERS Contract and Introduction of First Reading of Ordinance Amending the CalPERS Contract for El Cajon Police Officers' Association and Police Officers' Association Management Group RECOMMENDATION: That the City Council adopts the next Resolution, in order, approving the intention to amend the contract between the City of El Cajon (City) and the Board of Administration of the California Public Employees’ Retirement System (CalPERS) to provide cost sharing of an additional contribution of one percent for the El Cajon Police Officers’ Association (POA) and El Cajon Police Officers’ Association Management Group (POAMG) CalPERS Classic members, under Government Code section 20516. Additionally, that the City Council introduces the first reading of the next Ordinance, in order, amending the contract between the City and CalPERS to provide cost sharing of an additional contribution of one percent for the POA and POAMG CalPERS Classic members, under Government Code section 20516.]
HAVE ONE ADMINISTRATIVE REPORT ON TODAY'S AGENDA.ITEM 12 IS A RESOLUTION OF INTENTION TO AMEND THE CALPERS CONTRACT FOR ELON POLICE OFFICERS ASSOCIATION AND THE POLICE OFFICERS ASSOCIATION MANAGEMENT GROUP STAFF WILL INTRODUCE THIS ITEM.
AS YOU RECALL, LAST YEAR DURING LABOR NEGOTIATIONS, WE APPROVED CONTRACTS FOR P-O-A-M-P-O-A-M-G, THAT INCLUDED A CHANGE IN CONTRIBUTION TO THE CALPERS CLASSIC MEMBERS.
UH, 1% ADDITIONAL FOR SECOND YEAR, 1% FOR THIRD YEAR.
SO THIS REQUEST TODAY IS TO OFFICIALLY START THAT PROCESS WITH CALPERS.
THE CONTRACTS ALLOWED US TO REQUEST IT AND THE PROPOSED RESOLUTION OF INTENTION AND THE ORDINANCE WILL NOW ALLOW US TO OFFICIALLY INITIATE THE CHANGE WITH PURSE.
AND THAT IS ALL I HAVE FOR THIS REPORT.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
HOW ABOUT SPEAKER CARDS ON THIS ITEM? NO SPEAKER CARDS, SIR.
THEN I'LL BRING, I'LL BRING IT BACK TO THE COUNCIL FOR DISCUSSION AND, OR A MOTION MOVE ADOPTION.
MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.
AND THE TITLE FOR THIS ORDINANCE IS AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF EL CAJON, APPROVING AN AMENDMENT TO THE CONTRACT BETWEEN THE CITY OF EL CAJON AND THE BOARD OF ADMINISTRATION, CALIFORNIA PUBLIC EMPLOYEES RETIREMENT SYSTEMS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THERE ARE NO COMMISSION REPORTS ON TODAY'S AGENDA.
[13. Council Activity Report]
MY ACTIVITIES REPORT.I WOULD LIKE TO ADD SOMETHING THAT I, I WENT TO A MEETING TODAY WITH SEVERAL OTHER MAYORS TO MEET WITH, UM, EPA ADMINISTRATOR LEE ZELIN, TO TALK ABOUT THE, UH, BOR, THE BORDER SEWAGE CRISIS.
AND, UH, OTHER THAN THAT, BY A REPORT IT STANDS AS IT WAS GARY AS REPORTED, STEVE AS REPORTED.
[17. COUNCILMEMBER PHIL ORTIZ League of California Cities, San Diego Division; East County Economic Development Council; MTS (Metropolitan Transit System Board) – Alternate; East County Advanced Water Purification Joint Powers Authority Board – Alternate; Chamber of Commerce – Government Affairs Committee – Alternate.]
UH, ONE STRIKE.I, I DID NOT ATTEND THE EVENT ON APRIL 17TH.
THE CFEC EVENT, MICHELLE REPORTED THERE ARE NO JUNK COUNCILMAN REPORTS, NO GENERAL INFORMATION ITEMS ON TODAY'S AGENDA,
[18. Introduction of an Ordinance for a Fee for Non-Emergent Lift Assist Services RECOMMENDATION: That the City Council: Moves to introduce the next Ordinance, in order; Directs the City Clerk to read the Ordinance by title only; and Directs the second reading of the Ordinance to be placed on the May 13, 2025 City Council agenda.]
WE HAVE TWO INTRODUCTIONS OF ORDINANCES ON TODAY'S AGENDA.ITEM 18 IS FOR A FEE FOR A NON-EMERGENT LYFT ASSIST SERVICES AND STAFF WILL TELL US ALL ABOUT THIS.
HI MAYOR, MEMBERS OF CITY COUNCIL.
AS A FOLLOW UP TO THE PRESENTATION PROVIDED AT THE APRIL 8TH COUNCIL MEETING, I'M HERE THIS EVENING TO INTRODUCE THE ORDINANCE ESTABLISHING A FEE FOR NON-EMERGENT LIFT ASSIST RESPONSES AT CONGREGATE CARE FACILITIES.
UM, THIS DRAFT HAS BEEN SHARED
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WITH LOCAL, UH, CONGREGATE CARE FACILITIES TO PROVIDE THEM WITH AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW AND RESPOND PRIOR TO FINAL ADOPTION.AND WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO ANY ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE? NO.
UH, WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS? NO SPEAKER CARDS.
BACK TO COUNCIL FOR DISCUSSION OR A MOTION.
I'D LIKE TO, TO BRING TO LIGHT THAT THIS FEE DOES NOT APPLY TO RESIDENTIAL CON RESIDENTIAL CARE FACILITIES.
THESE ARE THE HOUSES THAT ARE IN NEIGHBORHOODS THAT HAVE UP TO SIX, UM, PEOPLE LIVING THERE.
AND I'M TOLD BECAUSE THOSE ARE LICENSED BY THE STATE THAT WE DON'T HAVE AUTHORITY OVER THAT BOARD.
AND CARE IS A RESIDENTIAL LIVING FACILITY.
YEAH, THERE'S ONE ON THE STREET ACROSS FROM ME.
AND, UH, THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN, THIS FEE DOES NOT APPLY TO THEM.
SO WITH THAT, I WILL GO AHEAD AND, UH, MOVE TO INTRODUCE THE NEXT ORDINANCE IN ORDER AND TO ASK THE CLERK TO READ THIS ORDINANCE AND DIRECT THAT WE'D HAVE A SECOND READING.
MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.
AND THE TITLE FOR THIS ORDINANCE IS AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF EL CAJON, ENACTING CHAPTER 8.09 OF THE EL CAJON MUNICIPAL CODE TO IMPLEMENT A FEE FOR NON-EMERGENCY LYFT ASSISTANCE LICENSED CARE FACILITIES.
[19. Introduction of an Ordinance for Fire Hazard Severity Zone Map RECOMMENDATION: That the City Council: Moves to introduce the proposed Ordinance, in order; Directs the City Clerk to read the Ordinance by title only; and Directs the second reading of the Ordinance to be placed on the May 13, 2025 City Council agenda.]
TO BE INTRODUCED.ITEM 19 IS FOR A FIRE SAFETY SEVERITY ZONE MAP.
AND THE STAFF WILL TELL US ALL ABOUT THIS.
GENTLEMEN, GOOD EVENING, MAYOR WELLS RESPECTING MEMBERS OF CITY COUNCIL, CITY STAFF.
UH, FIRST I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE OUR NEWEST FIRE MARSHAL, UH, KEN KING.
AND HE'S GONNA BE PROVIDING A PRESENTATION ON THIS ITEM.
AND WITH THAT, KEN KING, WELCOME.
UM, HONORABLE MAYOR, MAYOR PRO 10 CITY COUNCIL MEMBER, CITY STAFF.
UH, AGAIN, MY NAME IS KEN KING.
UH, WE WILL MAKE THIS REAL BRIEF 'CAUSE I KNOW YOU'VE HAD A LONG DAY.
UM, SO TODAY BEFORE YOU IS THE ADOPTION.
UM, IT'S BASICALLY A STATE MANDATED, UH, NOTIFICATION PROCESS FROM CAL FIRE ON THE NEW HAZARD SEVERITY ZONE MAPS.
UH, WHAT THEY ARE IS THEY IDENTIFY THREE LEVELS, MODERATE, HIGH, AND VERY HIGH.
UH, CAL FIRE SPENT QUITE A BIT OF TIME DEVELOPING THESE USING FIRE MODELING BASED UPON FIRE HISTORY.
THEY SPELL OUT DIFFERENT REQUIREMENTS FOR THE THREE DIFFERENT, UM, HAZARD SEVERITY ZONES.
UH, THIS GRAPH KIND OF GIVES A, A VISUAL INDICATION OF THE VARIOUS REQUIREMENTS FOR BUILDING CONSTRUCTION, UH, SITE DEVELOPMENT, AND ALSO FOR DEFENSIBLE SPACE REQUIREMENTS AND HAZARD REDUCTION DISCLOSURES.
REAL BRIEFLY, THESE ARE THE COMPARISONS OF WHAT WE HAVE ADOPTED TODAY VERSUS THE PROPOSED ADOPTIONS THAT WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH, WITH THIS FIRST READING OF THE ORDINANCE, UH, YOU CAN SEE THAT THE ITEM ON THE LEFT HAS, UH, CONSIDERABLY MORE VERY HIGH FIRE SEVERITY ZONES, WHICH THE STATE REDUCED AND REDUCED THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF VERY HIGH FIRE SEVERITY ZONES FOR THE CITY.
WITH THAT, WE HAVE ADDITIONAL LINKS ON THE CITY WEBSITE, UH, REFERENCING ANY INSURANCE QUESTIONS AND THE PROCESS CAL FIRE TOOK FOR THIS.
UH, THAT'S ALL I HAVE AT THIS MOMENT.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER 'EM.
UM, IS THIS MAP GOING TO REDUCE THE BURDEN ON CITIZENS IN REGARD TO INSURANCE? DOES IT CHANGE THAT AT ALL? THE INSURANCE PROCESS IS INDEPENDENT.
UM, THEY GO THROUGH A RISK ASSESSMENT AND IT'S NOT DIRECTLY TIED TO THESE HAZARD SEVERITY ZONE MAPS.
UH, THE INSURANCE PROCESS IS, UH, MULTIFACETED.
UH, THERE'S NO DIRECT COMPARISON TO THESE MAPS.
UH, INSURANCE COMPANIES RUN THEIR OWN RISK ASSESSMENTS AND HAVE THEIR OWN CRITERIA.
SO, UH, I CAN'T SAY, YOU KNOW, WITH REASONABLE ASSERTION THAT THIS IS GOING TO EITHER BE FAVORABLE OR LESS FAVORABLE FOR THE INSURANCE PROCESS.
SO DOES THIS MAP CHANGE ANYTHING IN THE WAY OUR CITIZENS LIVE OR THE WAY WE DO BUSINESS? UH, IT DOES CHANGE BUILDING STANDARDS.
SO IF YOU'RE NEW CONSTRUCTION IN, UH, THESE AREAS OF HIGH AND VERY HIGH FIRE, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO BE HELD TO WHAT WE COMMONLY REFER TO AS CHAPTER SEVEN A OR THE WWE CODE, WHICH HAS SOME INCREASE IN BUILDING CONSTRUCTION, UH, STANDARDS.
UH, IT ALSO HAS SOME DEFENSIBLE SPACE REQUIREMENTS.
SO THERE MAY BE SOME ADDITIONAL VEGETATION MANAGEMENT AND CLEARANCES DONE IN SOME OF THESE AREAS IN THE, THE HIGH AND VERY HIGH.
UH, IT ALSO INCLUDES THE HAZARD DISCLOSURE PROCESS, UH, DURING POINT OF SALE, UH, FOR SOME OF THESE AREAS.
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SOME IMPACT ON RESIDENTS BASED UPON THIS, BUT THESE ARE ALL MANDATED, UH, STATE LAWS THAT, UH, THAT WE'RE HAVING TO EITHER ENFORCE OR, OR INCLUDE IN OUR PROCESSES.OTHER QUESTIONS? COULD WE GET A SHORTER URL FOR THE PUBLIC? UH, AN AN ALIAS LIKE EL CAJON.GOV/FIRE MAPS OR WHATEVER YOU DECIDE? YEAH, IT'D BE HARD TO REMEMBER, WOULDN'T IT?
SO, UM, I WOULD IMAGINE THAT SANTEE WOULD HAVE SIMILAR FIRE MAPS IN THAT, UM, THERE WOULD BE SOME COOPERATION, UM, BETWEEN THE CITIES IF THEY WERE GOING TO BE BUILDING MORE.
BECAUSE I LIVE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE MAP, NOT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE MAP, BUT UP AT THE TOP.
UM, AND IT'S RIGHT NEAR, IT'S JUST DOWN THE STREET FROM SANTEE.
SO THE SANTEE CITY LINE OR CITY LIMITS IS RIGHT THERE.
THEY HAVE ROOM TO GROW OR TO BUILD.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY ROOM UP IN THAT AREA.
UM, BUT THEY DO AND THEY'RE IN A HIGH ZONE, UH, RATTLESNAKE MOUNTAIN IS IN A HIGH ZONE.
I KNOW THAT I DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IT TOO MUCH IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD 'CAUSE WE WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THOSE ZONES
UM, BUT I JUST WANTED TO KNOW THERE IS COOPERATION BETWEEN THE CITIES OR, YOU KNOW, ARE WE, MAN, ARE WE MONITORING LIKE WHAT THE NEAREST CITY IS DOING AS FAR AS THEIR BUILDING CODES AND LIKE, I MEAN, AM I STUDYING HERE? NO, I THINK THE, THE, TO GIVE YOU JUST A REAL QUICK, UH, BACKGROUND ON THE PROCESS.
UH, THIS INITIAL EVALUATION WAS DONE BY CAL FIRE OFFICE OF THE FIRE MARSHAL AND IT WAS DONE SIMPLY PUT, WITHOUT REGARDS TO CITY BOUNDARIES.
UH, IT WAS TAKING A LOOK AT ALL FACTORS, TERRAIN, LOCAL GEOGRAPHY, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
UH, SO THE, THE MAPS THAT WE HAVE TODAY THAT ARE, THAT ARE PROVIDING DIRECTION ON THESE STATE REGULATIONS, UH, WERE DONE, UH, WITH THAT GLOBAL VIEW I THINK IS KIND OF WHAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE LOOKING AT FOR KIND OF THE, THE BIG PICTURE, RIGHT? AND THEN WE OVERLAID THE CITY BOUNDARIES ON IT AND, AND TOOK THE MINISTERIAL ACTIONS WE NEEDED TO, TO COMPLY WITH THE STATE REQUIREMENTS.
I MEAN, I'M JUST KIND OF WORRIED THAT IF CNT WERE TO INCREASE SKY RANCH OR THE INCREASED LAMPLIGHTER, I THINK IT'S LAMPLIGHTER, THE, THE ASSISTED LIVING PLACE RIGHT ON GRAVES AND PROSPECT, IF THEY INCREASE THAT, THAT INCREASES FIRE, UM, POTENTIAL, UM, ESPECIALLY UP IN SKY RANCH.
AND THAT'S UP AT THE TOP OF THE WHOLE TOP OF THE RIDGE.
SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, SANT IS ALSO CONSIDERING THIS AND LOOKING OUT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE NOT BUILDING MORE THAN WHAT THE AREA CAN HANDLE.
UM, I CAN TALK WITH SANTI STAFF TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE ON THE SAME PAGE.
ONE OF THE, THE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS A MAJOR PART OF THIS IS THAT THIS IS A STATE APPROACH.
THE, THE CHAPTER SEVEN A, THE WWE BUILDING CODE IS, IS A STATE ADOPTED CODE.
THERE ARE MINIMUM STANDARDS PROVIDED.
SO AGAIN, WE HAVE THAT ASSURANCE THAT NEIGHBORING OF NEIGHBORING JURISDICTIONS HAVE THE SAME MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS THAT WE DO.
OBVIOUSLY CITIES CAN BE MORE RESTRICTIVE, BUT THAT THAT STATE BUILDING CODE AND THE, AND STATE FIRE SAFE REGULATIONS IN THESE HIGHER AREAS ARE STATEWIDE SO THAT WE HAVE THAT BENEFIT OF KNOWING THAT THE NEIGHBORING JURISDICTIONS ARE SURE ARE TAKING IN THOSE, THOSE FACTORS INTO ACCOUNT.
I WAS JUST CURIOUS IF YOU HAD ANY IDEA ON THAT, BUT THANK YOU.
ARE THERE ANY, UM, SPEAKER CARDS ON THIS ITEM? NO SPEAKER CARDS SIR.
ALRIGHT, BRING IT BACK TO COUNSEL FOR DISCUSSION AND OR A MOTION, UH, MOVE TO INTRODUCE THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE IN ORDER, UH, ALSO TO OBJECT THE CITY CLERK TO READ THE ORDINANCE BY TITLE ONLY AND, UH, ALSO TO CORRECT THE SECOND READING OF THE ORDINANCE TO BE PLACED ON THE MAY 13TH, 2025 AGENDA.
MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE AND THE TITLE OF THE ORDINANCE READS AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF EL CAJON TO DESIGNATE FIRE HAZARD RARITY SOS.
THERE ARE NO SECOND READINGS OF OR ORDINANCES ON TODAY'S AGENDA AND NO MORE CLOSED DISCUSSIONS.
THIS BRINGS US TO ADJOURNMENT, THE ADJOURNED REGULAR JOINT MEETING OF THE EL CAJON CITY COUNCIL, OKLAHOMA HOUSING AUTHORITY SUCCESSOR AGENCY TO THE EL CAJON REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY HELD THIS 22ND DAY OF APRIL, 2025 IS ADJOURNED UNTIL TUESDAY, MAY 13TH, 2025 AT 3:00 PM THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH.