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[ CALL TO ORDER: Mayor Bill Wells]
WE WILL SEE HOW IT GOES IN AN HOUR.ALRIGHT, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WELCOME TO THE OKLAHOMA CITY COUNCIL MEETING.
THE MEETING IS NOW CALLED TO ORDER, AND I'D LIKE TO ASK OUR CITY CLERK TO PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
MR. MAYOR, WE NEED TO FORMALLY ADJOURN FROM THE TWO O'CLOCK SPECIAL MEETING.
WE'VE GOTTA, I'VE GOTTA READ THIS STATEMENT.
UH, FIRST OFF, UM, I ASK OUR CITY ATTORNEY TO REPORT ON THE CLOSED SESSION.
THANK YOU, MAYOR CITY COUNCILMAN.
CLOSED SESSION AT THE END OF THE SPECIAL MEETING THIS, THIS AFTERNOON ON CONFERENCE WITH LEGAL COUNSEL ON ANTICIPATED LITIGATION, UH, SIGNIFICANT EXPOSURE LITIGATION, AND, UH, IT GAVE DIRECTION, DIRECTION TO THE CITY'S LEGAL COUNSEL.
UM, THIS BRINGS US TO ADJOURNMENT, THE JOINT SPECIAL MEETING OF THE OKLAHOMA CITY COUNCIL AND EL CAJON HOUSING AUTHORITY HELD.
THIS 11TH DAY OF FEBRUARY, 2025 IS ADJOURNED.
AND WELCOME TO THE ELCON CITY COUNCIL MEETING.
THIS MEETING IS CALLED TO ORDER AND I'D LIKE TO ASK OUR CITY CLERK TO PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
ALL COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE PRESENT.
WOULD YOU PLEASE STAND WITH ME FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE AND THEN REMAIN STANDING AFTERWARDS.
FOR A BRIEF MOMENT OF SILENCE, I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INVIS, AND LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
[ POSTINGS: The City Clerk posted Orders of Adjournment of the January 28, 2025, Meeting and the Agenda of the February 11, 2025, Meetings in accordance to State Law and City Council/Housing Authority/Successor Agency to the Redevelopment Agency Policy.]
THE CITY CLERK POSTED ORDERS OF ADJOURNMENT OF THE JANUARY 28TH, 2025 MEETING AND THE AGENDA OF THE FEBRUARY 11TH, 2025 MEETING IN ACCORDANCE WITH STATE LAW, CITY COUNCIL AND HOUSING AUTHORITY POLICY.ONCE AGAIN, I'D LIKE TO INVITE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TO ATTEND THE 2025 STATE OF THE CITY ADDRESS.
THE EVENT WILL BE HELD ON TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 18TH, 2025 AT 6:00 PM AT THE RONALD REAGAN COMMUNITY CENTER, LOCATED AT 1 95 EAST DOUGLAS AVENUE.
JOIN US AS WE REFLECT ON THE ACCOMPLISHMENTS OF THE PAST YEAR AND SHARE WHAT IS COMING INTO YOUR AHEAD.
WE HAVE NO PRESENTATIONS ON TODAY'S AGENDA.
STAFF, DO YOU HAVE ANY AGENDA CHANGES MR. MAYOR? NO CHANGES.
COUNSEL, ANY AGENDA CHANGES? I SEE
[7. CONSENT ITEMS: Consent Items are routine matters enacted by one motion according to the RECOMMENDATION listed below. With the concurrence of the City Council, a Council Member or person in attendance may request discussion of a Consent Item at this time.]
NONE.THAT BRINGS US TO CONSENT ITEMS, CONSENT ITEMS AND ROUTINE MATTERS AND ENACTED BY ONE MOTION ACCORDING TO THE RECOMMENDATION LISTED BELOW WITH THE CONCURRENCE OF THE CITY COUNCIL, COUNCIL MEMBER OR PERSON IN ATTENDANCE MAY REQUEST DISCUSSION OF A CONSENT ITEM AT THIS TIME.
COUNCIL MEMBERS, DO YOU WISH TO PULL ANY OF THE CONSENT ITEMS? SEEING NONE, STAFF? NO, SIR.
ARE THERE ANY SPEAKER CARDS FOR CONSENT ITEMS? SIR? WE HAVE ONE SPEAKER CARD FROM TRUTH.
I DIDN'T WANT YOU GUYS TO YEP.
NO, I WANT, I WANT, UM, I WANNA HEAR EVERYTHING YOU HAVE TO SAY.
I'LL GIVE YOU A FEW MORE SECONDS.
MIKE IS ON AND NO ONE IS DISTRACTED.
I SPOKE IN OPPOSITION TO ITEM NINE AND MAYBE IT SOUNDED THAT WAY TO SOME PEOPLE.
UH, BUT I WAS ACTUALLY IN SUPPORT AND I DO WANT THE RECORD TO REFLECT THAT I COULD EVEN ACCEPT NEUTRAL IF YOU WANNA COMPROMISE.
I WAS ONLY IN OPPOSITION TO RACISM AND LIES NOT TOWARD THAT ITEM.
ALSO, AMY RIKER'S NAME ENDS IN THE LETTER T NOT A D.
UM, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THEN TO APPROVE THE CONSENT ITEMS. SECOND, PLEASE VOTE.
MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.
[ PUBLIC COMMENT: At this time, any person may address a matter within the jurisdiction of the City Council/Housing Authority/Successor Agency to the El Cajon Redevelopment Agency that is not on the Agenda. Comments relating to items on today’s docket are to be taken at the time the item is heard. State law prohibits discussion or action on items not on the Agenda; however, Council, Authority and Agency Members may briefly respond to statements or questions. An item may be placed on a future Agenda.]
THAT BRINGS US TO PUBLIC COMMENT.AT THIS TIME, ANY PERSON MAY ADDRESS A MATTER WITHIN THE JURISDICTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL HOUSING AUTHORITY SUCCESSOR AGENCY TO THE EL CAJON REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY THAT IS NOT ON THE AGENDA.
COMMENTS RAN INTO ITEMS ON TODAY'S AGENDA ALREADY BE TAKEN AT THE TIME THAT THE ITEM IS HEARD.
STATE LAW PROHIBITS DISCUSSION OR ACTION ON ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA.
HOWEVER, CITY COUNCIL AND HOUSING AUTHORITY MEMBERS MAY BRIEFLY RESPOND TO STATEMENTS OR QUESTIONS, AND AN ITEM MAY BE PLACED ON A FUTURE AGENDA.
ANDREW, DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? YES, SIR.
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OKAY.FIRST, I WANNA THANK THE POLICE FOR KEEPING EVERYONE SAFE.
DURING THE LAST MEETING, THERE WERE STATIONED ALL AROUND THE PREMISES, SO I DIDN'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT, UH, MY WAY OUT.
EVERY, EVERY CITY NEEDS THIS PROTOCOL AND MY IDEAS FOR MEETING IMPROVEMENTS.
BILL, I APPRECIATE HOW QUESTIONS ARE OFTEN ANSWERED, BUT PLEASE END THE BACK AND FORTH DISCUSSION DURING PEOPLE'S COMMENT.
TIME IT'S UNPRODUCTIVE AND CAUSES CONFLICTS.
SAVE YOUR GUYS' COMMENTS FOR AFTER ANOTHER ISSUE.
DURING THE LAST MEETING, SO MANY PEOPLE HAD TO FIGHT TO BE HEARD, AND THAT IS NOT OKAY.
THE INDIVIDUAL CONSISTENT DISRUPTOR SHOULD HAVE BEEN REMOVED FROM THE CHAMBER TO KEEP ORDER AND DETER FURTHER MISBEHAVIORS.
I ENCOURAGE REMOVAL FOR THOSE WHO REFUSE TO BE RESPECTFUL WHILE PEOPLE SPEAK.
I DON'T CARE WHAT YOUR BELIEF IS.
ALSO, PLEASE ALWAYS CALL THREE SPEAKERS NAMES AT A TIME SO PEOPLE KNOW TO BE READY.
AND AGAIN, THE RACIAL STEREOTYPES BY STEVE AND GARY NEED TO END.
THERE WAS EVEN A RIDICULOUS LIE ABOUT SO-CALLED BROWN PEOPLE FEELING SCARED TO SHOP IN EL CAJON.
I'M NOT SCARED TODAY AND I'M NOT GONNA BE SCARED NO MATTER WHO THE PRESIDENT IS.
SO CEASE AND DESIST ON THE FEAR-MONGERING HATEFUL RHETORIC IN THE CITY'S CODE OF ETHICS AND OR CONDUCT, THERE NEEDS TO BE A SPECIFIC POLICY AGAINST RACIAL STEREOTYPING.
NOW I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT A FEW ACTIVIST GROUPS THAT HAVE ATTENDED RECENT COUNCIL MEETINGS.
THE NATIONAL DAY LABOR NETWORK WHO HAD A MEMBER THREATEN THE CITY WITH LAWSUITS IS A WELL-FUNDED LA BASED ORGANIZATION THAT WORKS WITH THE POLITICAL UNION, A-F-L-C-I-O, AND HAVE AN ORGANIZING METHOD BASED ON COMMUNIST PALO UH, FIRES IDEAS.
THE NATIONAL DAILY LABOR NETWORK PRAISES SANCTUARY POLICIES ON THEIR WEBSITE.
AND THEY HAVE A WORKFORCE INITIATIVE, WHICH INCLUDES THE PARTNER CATHOLIC CHARITIES, WHO MANY WOULD DEEM TO BE A BIG TIME PROFITEER OFF THE ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX.
THERE WAS THE SAND DIEGO ORGANIZING PROJECT WHO PUSHED FOR EVERY TAX PAYING RESIDENT OF THE COUNTY, A FOOT, A $5 MILLION ANNUAL LAWYER BILL ONLY FOR THOSE FACING DEPORTATIONS.
IRONICALLY, UNDER THE COUNTY GOVERNMENT ACCOUNTABILITY PART OF THEIR WEBSITE, THEY FEATURED DISGRACED FORMER COUNTY SUPERVISORS, NATHAN FLETCHER AND NORA VARGAS.
AND THERE WAS THE PARTNERSHIP FOR NEW AMERICANS.
PANNA, WHO IN 2021 HAD MEMBERS ACTIVELY ADVOCATING FOR CARVING EL CAJON OUT OF DISTRICT TWO, AS WELL AS SEGREGATING THE CHALDEAN COMMUNITY AND RANCHO SAN DIEGO AWAY FROM EL CAJON AND LATINOS AND AXION, WHO ORGANIZED THE MEXICAN SENATE PRESIDENT'S VISIT TO EL CAJON OF ALL CITIES IN AMERICA, YET ACCORDING TO A, B, C 10, A, B, C, 10 NEWS, LATINOS AND ACUMEN'S.
VERY FIRST MEETING WAS AFTER THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING.
MANY OF THESE PEOPLE ALSO SPOTTED IN DOWNTOWN SAN DIEGO.
AT THE PROTEST THERE DID THEY CARPOOL MAGICALLY, CLOCKWORK PROTEST AND RIOTS ALSO POPPED UP IN NATIONAL CITY, ESCONDIDO, OCEANSIDE, VISTA, AND OUTSIDE OF SAN DIEGO, SUCH AS IN LA RIVERSIDE, DALLAS, ARKANSAS, MISSOURI, AND GEORGIA.
BUT SOMEBODY PAID FOR THAT SWITCH TO BE TURNED ON.
THE QUESTION IS WHO? BECAUSE NO MOVEMENT SUDDENLY GETS A NATIONWIDE FLYER TITLE AND PLAN OF OPERATION WITHOUT BEING PLANNED WELL IN ADVANCE WITH A LOT OF MONEY, AND IT'S ALL BEEN BASED AND DISINFORMATION.
BRENDA HAMMOND, YOU'RE GETTING BRENDA, CAN YOU ASK THE NEXT PERSON? OH, I'LL COME UP.
WELL, BLUE IS NOT THAT IMPORTANT TO ME ANYWAY.
UM, I, I WANNA SAY I GREW UP WITH ALL KINDS OF PEOPLE IN EAST COUNTY AND YES, THAT INCLUDES EL CAJON.
I LEARNED MY TEENAGE LIFE LESSONS IN EL CAJON.
I I KNEW A LESBIAN COUPLE THAT GREW TO LOVE EACH OTHER SINCE THEY WERE TEENAGERS.
UM, THEY STARTED A HOUSE CLEANING BUSINESS.
AND AS ADULTS OVER THE YEARS BECAME VERY SUCCESSFUL.
THEY LATER MARRIED WHEN I WENT, WHEN I WENT THROUGH MY DIVORCE, THEY ASKED ME TO COME TO THEIR NEW YEAR'S EVE PARTY AND I, AND, UM, AT THEIR HOUSE IN LA MESA.
SO I SHOWED UP AND I STOOD AT THE OPEN DOOR AND I PEERED IN THEIR FESTIVE HOUSE.
EVERYONE WAS HAVING FUN TALKING, DANCING, A LITTLE DRINKING.
UM, I SMILED AND TURNED TO LEAVE.
WELL, ONE OF MY GIRLS, AS I CALLED THEM ALL THESE YEARS, AS I, AS I, UM, AS I TURNED TO GO AWAY, AS I TURNED TO LEAVE, THEY TURNED OFF THE MUSIC AND SAID, EVERYBODY, THIS IS BRENDA.
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SHOW HER SOME RESPECT.I WAS HANDED A BLUE MARGARITA, WHICH WAS REALLY GOOD, AND I STAYED ABOUT AN HOUR AND I HAD A GREAT TIME.
MY POINT IS, WE ALL NEED TO BE TO STOP JUDGING EACH OTHER FOR WHATEVER SEXUAL PREFERENCE, RELIGION, UM, ESPECIALLY RACE.
THE LAST SPEAKER IS ALLEGEDLY AUDRA.
HEY, BILL, HOW YOU DOING? HAVING FUN.
IT'S ALWAYS FUN, RIGHT? LIFE IS INTERESTING.
SO I WANTED TO BRING UP SOME THINGS THAT HAPPENED AT THE LAST MEETING, AND THIS HAS TO DO WITH YOU, MICHELLE.
I DON'T THINK THAT YOU HANDLED, UH, THE AFTERMATH OF THE MEETING VERY WELL.
I THINK THAT YOU WERE VERY OUTRAGEOUS, UM, ABSURD.
AND YOU SHOULD HAVE BEEN MORE COMPOSED WHEN TALKING TO YOUR OWN CONSTITUENTS.
I ACTUALLY HAD TO STAND IN BETWEEN YOU BECAUSE IT GOT SO, UM, SEEMINGLY AGGRESSIVE AND OUT OF CONTROL.
AND IT'S VERY SAD TO SEE THAT YOU CAN MAKE EXCUSES.
LIKE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE TIRED, YOU'RE HUNGRY, YOU'RE ON MENOPAUSE, YOU'RE HAVING MENOPAUSE ISSUES.
UM, I THINK THAT IF YOU CAN'T HANDLE SOME, THOSE ARE HER OWN WORDS.
SO IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN'T HANDLE ANY KIND OF QUESTIONING BY SOMEBODY WHO IS VERY CALM, AND YOU SAID THAT, THAT'S WHY YOU ARE NOT RUNNING AGAIN, THAT'S EXACTLY WHY YOU SHOULDN'T BE IN THAT SEAT, IS BECAUSE YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE PRESSURE OF BEING A PUBLIC OFFICIAL AND BEING ABLE TO TALK TO YOUR OWN CONSTITUENTS IN A CALM MANNER.
AND IT'S SAD BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T LIKE THAT I, I HAD TO PUT MY ARM IN BECAUSE IT WAS LIKE, TO THE POINT WHERE I WASN'T SURE IF THERE WAS GONNA BE SOME KIND OF PHYSICAL ALTERCATION, NOT JUST VERBAL.
AND IF YOU CAN'T TAKE A MOMENT AND COLLECT AND COMPOSE YOURSELF, THEN IT'S CONCERNING TO SEE THAT YOU ARE UP IN A SEAT THAT YOU'RE GONNA MAKE, BE MAKING DECISIONS ON BEHALF OF PEOPLE.
IF YOU CAN'T CALMLY THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE DOING, TAKE A STEP BACK AND SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT? I'M A PUBLIC OFFICIAL.
I NEED TO MAYBE CALM MYSELF DOWN INSTEAD OF MAKING EXCUSES AS TO WHY THAT WAS HAPPENING, BECAUSE IT DOESN'T REFLECT WELL ON THE BOARD.
AND IT'S VERY SCARY TO THINK ABOUT THAT.
YOU MAKE EXCUSES AS OPPOSED TO OWNING YOUR OWN ACTIONS AND SAYING, YOU KNOW WHAT? I, I PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE BEEN MORE CALM, BECAUSE WE CAN ALL DO THAT.
BUT IF YOU, IF THAT IS, IS SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE NOT CAPABLE OF, THEN IF YOU CAN'T RUN AGAIN, YOU MAY AS WELL RESIGN FROM BEING IN THAT SEAT, BECAUSE THAT WOULD SHOW THAT YOU'RE NOT CAPABLE OF BEING ABLE TO TAKE THE PRESSURES OF THE JOB.
YOU SHOULD BE THE ONES CALMING OTHERS DOWN, NOT PEOPLE HAVING TO COME AND CALM YOU DOWN.
AND GRANTED, YES, IT'S A VERY INTENSE AND HIGH, UH, ENERGY SUBJECT, BUT YOUR JOB ISN'T TO ATTACK THE PUBLIC AND ATTACK YOUR OWN CONSTITUENTS.
SO I WOULD HOPE THAT YOU CAN REFLECT ON THAT AND MAKE BETTER DECISIONS MOVING FORWARD, ESPECIALLY TONIGHT THAT WE'RE ABOUT TO EXPERIENCE THE SAME TYPE OF PRESSURES.
I WOULD HOPE THAT YOU CAN BE CALM, COLLECTED, AND COMPOSED, AND NOT USE EXCUSES AS TO WHY YOU CAN'T DO THAT.
AND THAT WILL SHOW THE PEOPLE WHY THEY SHOULD HAVE TRUST IN YOU AND NOT PROVE TO THEM WHY THEY SHOULDN'T.
SO, I'M COMING TO YOU FROM A PLACE OF LOVE.
I'M NOT COMING TO YOU FROM A PLACE OF HATE.
SO, JUST UNDERSTAND THAT I, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, LISTEN, I'M, I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO SPIRIT OF THE DEBATE TONIGHT, BUT I'M GONNA TELL YOU SOMETHING, I'M NOT GONNA, I'M NOT GONNA ALLOW THE DISRUPTIONS THAT YOU BROUGHT LAST TIME TO BE BROUGHT AGAIN THIS TIME.
THIS COULD BE A REAL LONG NIGHT.
IF, IF, IF YOU CAN'T BEHAVE, I'LL, I'LL CALL TIME OUTS.
IF YOU WANNA STAY HERE UNTIL TWO OR THREE IN THE MORNING, WE CAN DO THAT.
WHY DON'T WE JUST ACT LIKE ADULTS AND BE RESPECTFUL OF ALL PEOPLE? ALRIGHT.
UH, WE HAVE NO WRITTEN COMMUNICATIONS AND NO PUBLIC HEARINGS ON TODAY'S
[10. Interviews for City Commissions RECOMMENDATION: That the City Council conducts interviews for one (1) seat on the Personnel Commission and one (1) seat on the Planning Commission, and authorizes the City Clerk to continue accepting applications for future commission vacancies.]
AGENDA.WE HAVE TWO ADMINISTRATIVE REPORTS ON TODAY'S AGENDA.
ITEM 10 IS THE INTERVIEWS FOR CITY COMMISSIONS.
WE HAVE THE INCUMBENTS FOR THE PERSONNEL COMMISSION AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION HERE THIS AFTERNOON.
GENTLEMEN, EACH OF YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SHARE WITH US.
THE COUNCIL MAY ASK FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS IF NECESSARY BEFORE WE CONTINUE.
ANGELA, DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS FOR THIS ITEM? WE DO NOT HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS.
WHO'S OUR FIRST APPLICANT? UH, FOR THE PERSONNEL COMMISSION, WE HAVE MR. KURT BROWER, WHO'S OUR INCUMBENT.
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THANK YOU FOR COMING TODAY.UM, I'M HERE THIS EVENING, UH, LOOKING FOR REAPPOINTMENT, UH, PERSONNEL COMMISSION FOR ANOTHER FOUR YEARS.
UM, I KNOW, I BELIEVE YOU HAVE MY APPLICATION, I HAVE A COPY OF IT.
ALSO, I KNOW THAT YOU HAVE A VERY BUSY AGENDA TONIGHT, SO I'M WILLING TO MAKE IT AS SHORT AS POSSIBLE, BUT I'LL ASK, UH, ANSWER ALL YOUR QUESTIONS.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. BREER? UM, YOU'VE DONE A GREAT JOB.
I REALLY APPRECIATE ALL THAT YOU'VE DONE.
UH, I'D LIKE TO, UM, I'D LIKE TO APPOINT HIM TO THE POST.
IF SOMEBODY WOULD SECOND, SECOND, PLEASE VOTE.
MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.
AND MR. BROWN, I WANNA THANK YOU FOR SERVING YOUR COMMUNITY.
I, I, THERE'S NO PAY INVOLVED IN THIS AND THERE'S A LOT OF HOURS INVOLVED IN PREPARING FOR YOUR, YOUR MEETINGS AND, UM, IT'S VERY SELFLESS AND I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU DO FOR US.
THANK YOU, SIR, FOR YOUR COMMENTS.
THE APPLICANT FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS MR. DARREN ROSS.
HE IS NOT IN ATTENDANCE, BUT AGAIN, HE SUBMITTED HIS APPLICATION FOR REAPPOINTMENT.
AND HE'S OUR, HE'S OUR ONLY APPLICANT, RIGHT? YEAH.
UM, IS THERE ANY, UH, SPEAKER CARDS FOR MR. MOROZ? UH, PARDON.
COULD, COULD YOU REPEAT THAT PLEASE? ANY SPEAKER CARDS IN HIS APPOINTMENT? UH, NO SPEAKER CARDS.
I, SINCE HE'S OUR ONLY APPLICANT AND DARREN HAS BEEN A EXCELLENT, HARDWORKING MEMBER OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR SOME 15 YEARS NOW, UH, I'D LIKE TO APPOINT HIM AGAIN.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE THAT A MOTION.
MOTION CARRIES BY A UNANIMOUS VOTE.
UM, YOU'RE NOT GONNA, YOU'RE NOT GONNA GIVE THE OATH OF OFFICE? NO, NO, SIR.
WE DON'T NEED TO DO THAT AGAIN.
[11. Update on Homeless Programs and Services RECOMMENDATION: That the City Council receives the homeless programs and services report and, if desired, provides feedback, recommendations, and direction on homeless-related programming and funding.]
LAST ADMINISTRATIVE REPORT, ITEM 11 IS AN UPDATE ON HOMELESS PROGRAMS AND SERVICES.AND I'D LIKE OUR ASK TO ASK OUR STAFF TO TELL US ABOUT THIS.
THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, IF WE CAN GET THE, THE PRESENTATION UP.
UM, FOR THE LAST FIVE YEARS, UH, THE CITY HAS BEEN PRESENTING A SEMI-ANNUAL REPORT ABOUT WHERE WE'RE AT ON THE HOMELESSNESS.
UH, ALL OF OUR DIFFERENT PROGRAMS. AS YOU KNOW, WE RUN MANY DIFFERENT PROGRAMS AND, UH, UH, YANI BRITO WILL PROVIDE THE MAJORITY OF THE REPORT, BUT I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF START OUT WITH GIVING A LITTLE BIT OF PREFACE OF, OF WHERE WE'RE AT TODAY.
SO THIS REPORT WILL REALLY, IT INCLUDES DATA GOING BACK SEVERAL YEARS, BUT IT REALLY FOCUSES ON THE LAST SIX MONTHS OF TIME.
UM, BUT I JUST, I'M GONNA CUT TO THE CHASE AND JUST KIND OF, UH, TELL YOU THE, THE DATA, THE DATA POINTS, AND THEN YOU'LL HEAR THEM AGAIN TOO.
SO WE JUST GO TO THE LAST, JUST GO ALL THE WAY THROUGH THIS ONE.
SO, IN THE LAST SIX MONTHS, WE'VE SERVED 1600 INDIVIDUALS.
UH, WE HAVE GOTTEN ALMOST 500 INDIVIDUALS INTO EMERGENCY SHELTER.
A HUNDRED FIVE EIGHTY FIVE PEOPLE INTO TRANSITIONAL HOUSING OR BRIDGE HOUSING, AND 61 INDIVIDUALS PERMANENTLY OFF THE STREET INTO PERMANENT HOUSING.
UH, WE'RE REALLY PROUD OF THAT AND WE RELY ON A LOT OF SUPPORT, NOT ONLY OUR STAFF, BUT ALSO A LOT OF INDIVIDUALS, UM, IN DIFFERENT COMPANIES THAT HELP US WITH THAT.
UM, JUST FOR SOME CONTEXT, I WAS AT THE CITY MANAGER CONFERENCES PASSED, UH, UH, WEEKEND.
AND, UH, I WENT TO A SESSION ABOUT HOMELESSNESS AND THERE WAS 125 CITY MANAGERS IN THAT ROOM.
AND THE QUESTION WAS ASKED, HOW MANY OF YOU, HOW MANY OF YOUR CITIES EXPERIENCE HOMELESSNESS? AND ALL 125 HANDS WENT UP AND THEY SAID, HOW MANY CITIES HAVE FIGURED IT ALL OUT? AND NOT ONE HAND WENT UP AND WE HAD THE CHANCE TO HEAR FROM THREE DIFFERENT CITIES.
WE HEARD FROM SACRAMENTO, WE HEARD FROM LONG BEACH, AND WE HEARD FROM WHITTIER.
I JUST WANNA SHARE A COUPLE KIND OF HIGH LEVEL THOUGHTS.
I THINK THEY'RE USEFUL TO HAVE THAT FOR SOME PERSPECTIVE.
THE CITY OF LONG BEACH SPENDS ABOUT $13 MILLION OF ITS GENERAL FUND TO COMBAT HOMELESSNESS.
UM, IF YOU WERE TO APPLY A A PER CAPITA RATE FOR US, THAT WOULD BE ABOUT $3 MILLION FOR THE CITY OF EL CAJON.
WE DO NOT SPEND $3 MILLION OUT OF OUR GENERAL FUND.
WE'RE ABLE TO LEVERAGE A LOT OF OTHER FUNDS FOR THE PROGRAMS THAT WE DO.
UM, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT LONG BEACH FOUND IS SOME THINGS THAT AREN'T WORKING IN THEIR COMMUNITY HAPPEN TO BE WORKING IN OUR COMMUNITY.
THE TINY CABINS WORK REALLY WELL IN OUR COMMUNITY.
THEY'VE ABANDONED THE TINY CABIN SOLUTION BECAUSE IT JUST DOESN'T WORK IN LONG BEACH.
AND SO IT'S, IT WAS A GOOD REMINDER THAT THERE'S NOT THIS ONE SIZE FITS ALL, THAT EVERY COMMUNITY IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT AND NEEDS TO BE TAILORED A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
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SAME TIME, THERE'S A REAL NEED TO HAVE SOME UNIFORM MEASURING OF HOW, OR THE METRICS OF HOW WE MEASURE SUCCESS.WE, AND WE LACK THAT IN THIS COUNTY.
UM, AND WE, WE LACK THAT THROUGHOUT THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA.
IT'S THE REASON WHY WE SPEND BILLIONS OF DOLLARS AND SEE ALMOST ZERO RESULTS.
'CAUSE WE'RE NOT MEASURING THE APPROPRIATE WAY.
THE SECOND, UH, CITY THAT I HEARD FROM IS FROM CITY OF WHITTIER.
THEY ACTUALLY ADOPTED A THREE QUARTER CENT SALES TAX, UM, ABOUT FOUR YEARS AGO.
AND THEY ALLOCATED ABOUT A QUARTER OF THAT SALES TAX.
SO ABOUT A A QUARTER OR 20.25% OF THEIR SALES TAX MEASURE GOES SPECIFICALLY TO HOMELESSNESS, ABOUT $3 MILLION FOR THAT COMMUNITY.
AND THEY'VE ACTUALLY STOOD UP THEIR OWN HOMELESS SHELTER.
I THOUGHT THAT WAS KIND OF INTERESTING, WHICH GIVES THEM A LITTLE BIT MORE AUTHORITY AND CONTROL TO DO SOME CERTAIN THINGS.
AND THEN THE LAST CITY WAS SACRAMENTO, AS YOU KNOW, SACRAMENTO.
IF YOU'VE BEEN TO SACRAMENTO, HOMELESS IS RAMPANT THERE.
THEY'VE, THEY'VE STRUGGLED FOR YEARS.
UM, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF POINTED FINGERS BETWEEN THEM AND THE COUNTY, SACRAMENTO CITY AND THEIR COUNTY ARE ACTUALLY WORKING TOGETHER.
IT'S, IT'S A GREAT MODEL AND UH, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I ENVY 'CAUSE WE DO NOT GET SUPPORT FROM THE COUNTY OF SAN DIEGO.
OUR COUNTY HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE REAL LEADERS IN THIS AREA AND THEY FAIL TO DO SO.
AND SO WE, WE WILL CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THEM AND TRY TO STRIVE FOR SOME REGIONAL PLANNING BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT IF WE'RE ALL PULLING TOGETHER AT THE SAME TIME, WE'LL BE MUCH MORE SUCCESSFUL.
SO THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF CONTEXT.
I'M GONNA TURN THE TIME OVER TO YANI BRITO, OUR SENIOR MANAGEMENT ANALYST, TO GIVE A REPORT FOR THE LAST SIX MONTHS AND WHERE WE'RE AT, AND THEN SEEK ANY DIRECTION THAT YOU'D LIKE US TO SHIFT IN THE NEXT SIX MONTHS.
I WILL GO AHEAD AND, UM, BRIEFLY GO OVER THREE CATEGORIES THAT THE CITY IS USING TO ADDRESS HOMELESSNESS.
UH, THAT'S GOING TO INCLUDE OUTREACH EFFORTS, HOUSING AND SHELTER AND ENFORCEMENT AND ENCAMPMENTS.
UH, THE CITY, ALONG WITH SERVICE PROVIDERS CONDUCTS STREET OUTREACH.
HOMELESS INDIVIDUALS ARE OFFERED CONNECTIONS TO WRAPAROUND SERVICES.
THE PROVIDERS INCLUDE A-C-T-L-C, HOMESTAR AND CRISIS HOUSE.
DURING THE LAST SIX MONTHS, FROM JULY TO DECEMBER, 2024, A TOTAL OF A BIT OVER 161,000 WAS EXPENDED.
AND THIS WAS USING CDBG AND PLHA FUNDING.
THIS RESULTED IN BEING ABLE TO CONTACT 625 INDIVIDUALS OUT OF THOSE 20 WERE ABLE TO MOVE INTO SOME SORT OF HOUSING.
SOME OF THE CHALLENGES IDENTIFIED DURING THIS PROCESS, UH, DO INCLUDE BUILDING TRUST WITH CLIENTS OVER TIME.
THIS DOES DELAY THE ATTEMPTS NEEDED FOR ENGAGEMENT.
ADDITIONALLY, SOME INDIVIDUALS EXPERIENCE MENTAL HEALTH AND SUBSTANCE ABUSE.
SO THE OUTREACH WORKERS DO TRY AND MATCH THEM WITH THOSE WHO, UM, DO OFFER THAT SERVICE FOR THEM.
UNDER THE HOUSING AND SHELTER CATEGORY PROGRAMS INCLUDE REUNIFICATION, EMERGENCY PLACEMENT, EMERGENCY SHELTER, RAPID REHOUSING, AND RENTAL ASSISTANCE.
THE PROVIDERS FOR THESE PROGRAMS ARE THE SALVATION ARMY CRISIS HOUSE, E-C-T-L-C, HOMESTAR AND INTERFAITH SHELTER NETWORK.
FOR THIS CATEGORY, A TOTAL OF ABOUT 192,000 WAS EXPENDED.
AND THIS WAS USING C-D-B-G-P-L-H-A-A LOW MOD INCOME HOUSING ASSET FUNDS.
THE RESULTS WERE 498 SHELTERED INDIVIDUALS AND 51 PLACED INTO PERMANENTLY, UM, OR 51 WERE PERMANENTLY HOUSED.
SOME CHALLENGES THAT SEEM TO FALL WITH, UH, WITH THIS CATEGORY ARE DIFFERENT BARRIERS TO PERMANENT HOUSING.
THIS INCLUDES, BUT IT'S NOT LIMITED TO, UH, RENTAL HISTORY, CREDIT HISTORY, OR NOT ENOUGH INCOME PER HOUSEHOLD.
THIS IS WHERE CAGE MA CASE MANAGEMENT PLAYS A HUGE ROLE IN ORDER TO PREPARE INDIVIDUALS TO BECOME HOUSING READY.
THE LAST CATEGORY IS ENFORCEMENT AND ENCAMPMENTS FOR THESE.
AND THIS IS INCLUDING, UM, AGAIN, ENFORCEMENT AND COORDINATING ENCAMPMENT CLEANUPS.
THE PROVIDERS ARE, UH, CITY DEPARTMENT'S URBAN CORP, WHICH IS A CONTRACTOR AND HOMESTART.
THE COST OF THIS FOR THE LAST SIX MONTHS WAS ABOUT $105,000, AND IT INCLUDES PLHA AND SOME GENERAL FUND.
THIS RESULTED IN 482 CONTACTS WITH A TOTAL OF 25 EVENTS IN THE LAST SIX MONTHS, 55 CLEANUPS AND ABOUT 419 TONS OF DEBRIS, UH, REMOVED FROM THE CITY.
THE CHALLENGE WE CONTINUE TO SEE DURING THESE SERVICES IS TRANSIENT POPULATION, OFTEN RETURNING TO THE SAME AREAS.
SO TO SUMMARIZE SOME HIGHLIGHTS, UH, FROM JULY TO DECEMBER, WE HAVE A TOTAL EXPENDITURE OF ABOUT 443,000.
AGAIN, THIS RESULTED IN ABOUT 1600, SERVED 477 IN EMERGENCY SHELTER, 185 IN TRANSITIONAL HOUSING, AND 61 IN PERMANENT HOUSING.
AND THE FUNDING SOURCES ARE C-D-B-G-P-L-H-A
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LOW MOD HOUSING ASSET FUND AND SOME GENERAL FUND.AS A RESULT OF THE DATA PROVIDED, CITY, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT CITY COUNCIL CONTINUE FUNDING ALL THE ACTIVE HOMELESS SERVICES PROGRAMS, UH, CONTINUE SEEKING NEW FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES, CONTINUE SUPPORT FOR THE EAST COUNTY HOMELESS TASK FORCE AND THE EMERGENCY SLEEPING CABINETS, AS WELL AS CONTINUE RECEIVING THE SIX MONTH REPORT.
UH, WE DO LIKE TO THANK OUR PROGRAM PROVIDERS FOR ALL THEIR HARD WORK.
THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
STAFF IS AVAILABLE CHANCE FOR QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS.
CAN YOU SPEAKER CARDS ON THIS, SIR? YES, WE HAVE ONE FROM TRUTH.
YES, I'M SPEAKING AGAIN IN, IN CASE ANYONE HAS AN ISSUE WITH IT BECAUSE I HAVE A VERY IMPORTANT POINT AND THAT IS, I WAS INSPIRED BY GRAHAM, SO I'M ALSO GONNA CUT TO THE CHASE.
VERY, VERY TRANSPARENT BREAKDOWNS OF THE SPENDINGS.
SO THE CITY SPENDING ON HOMELESSNESS, I WISH EVERY CITY REPORTED LIKE THAT, ESPECIALLY THE CITY OF SAN DIEGO.
AND THE COUNTY IS ALSO NOT TRANSPARENT WITH OUR MONEY.
THEY HAVE AN $8.5 BILLION BUDGET.
AND DESPITE WHAT SUPERVISOR MONICA MONTGOMERY STEP HAS CLAIMED, WE GOT PRETTY MUCH NOTHING TO SHOW FOR IT.
UM, SO THIS IS THE CITY'S WORK.
THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE COUNTY, AND IT'S JUST AMAZING.
CAN YOU IMAGINE IF ELON HAD BILLIONS TO PLAY WITH? LIKE, THAT COULD ACTUALLY MAKE A REAL DIFFERENCE FOR THE ENTIRE COUNTY? BECAUSE I CAN SEE EL ALCOHOL AND SERVICES, I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH CRISIS HOUSE.
I WON'T GET INTO THAT, BUT I'M VERY FAMILIAR.
I'M GRATEFUL FOR, FOR THINGS THAT EXIST LIKE THAT.
I THANK EVERYBODY INVOLVED FOR THIS WORK THAT WENT INTO A VERY TRANSPARENT ACCOUNT.
ALRIGHT, WE'LL BRING IT BACK TO THE COUNCIL FOR DISCUSSION.
YES, CARRIE, A QUESTION FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY.
WE GET A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF MONEY FROM, UH, C COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT FUNDS.
HAS THAT BEEN CUT OFF BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT? NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE.
I KNOW THAT THERE WAS, UH, A STAY ISSUED THAT, UH, UM, ONE, ONE OR MORE COURTS HAVE ISSUED STAY SAYING IT'S, UH, LIKELY UNCONSTITUTIONAL.
THE, UH, BUT, UH, IT'LL BE A TEMPORARY ORDER.
BUT FOR NOW, I THINK THE, THE MONEY'S CONTINUING TO FLOW.
BECAUSE WE GIVE, UH, EAST COUNTY TRANSITIONAL LIVING CENTER A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF MONEY.
IN FACT, THEY'RE BETWEEN 150 AND 200 CHILDREN.
LI FORMERLY HOMELESS CHILDREN LIVING THERE RIGHT NOW.
UH, I WAS COMING OUT A COUNCIL MEETING ONE TIME ABOUT 22 YEARS AGO, AND THERE WAS A, A MOM WITH HER LITTLE REDHEADED 10-YEAR-OLD SON WHO REMINDED ME OF MY SON, WHO WAS 10 AT THE TIME.
AND WE SAID, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE YOU DOING HERE? HE SAID, WELL, YOU KNOW, MY HUSBAND, WE FELL THROUGH THE CRACKS.
YOU KNOW, MY HUSBAND'S A DRUGGIE.
HE TOOK OFF, AND THIS IS WHERE WE SLEEP UNDER THE WINGS OF THE, UH, CITY COUNCIL MEETING, RIGHT ABOUT 10 FEET OUTSIDE THAT DOOR.
AND SO, UH, THE COUNCIL, THAT TIME, WE APPROVED, UH, EAST COUNTY TRANSITIONAL LIVING CENTER AND HAS BEEN A SPECTACULAR SUCCESS.
IN FACT, I HAVE THREE OF THE GRADUATES LIVING AT MY HOUSE RIGHT NOW.
SO THAT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE BRIGHT SPOTS.
AND, UH, IT'S LIKE A PART OF IT IS LIKE A CHURCH-BASED BOOTCAMP, WHICH I DON'T THINK ANY OF US WOULD LIKE TO BE THERE.
THEY, THEY HAVE A FACILITY OUT IN THE EAST COUNTY WHERE THEY RUN A RANCH AND, YOU KNOW, RAISE CATTLE.
AND, UH, SO THEY, THE IDEA IS THEY GET 'EM SO TIRED, THEY DON'T WANT ANY DRUGS,
SO, UH, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE KEEP, UH, SUPPORTING THEM.
ANYBODY ELSE? NO, I WOULD JUST SAY I, I AGREE WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.
CONTINUE, UH, EVERYTHING WE'RE DOING.
STEVE, UH, FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT, THAT DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE TINY CABINS, THERE ARE SIX OF 'EM ON THE PROPERTY OF MERIDIAN BAPTIST CHURCH OUT IN THE EASTERN PART OF EL CAJON.
THEY HAVE PUT THROUGH 47 WOMEN WITH A 78% SUCCESS RATE INTO PERMANENT HOUSING.
THE, THIS IS A FOUR-WAY PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN THE CITY OF EL CAJON, RADIUM BAPTIST CHURCH CRISIS HOUSE, AND AMICUS THE BUILDER FOUR-WAY PARTNERSHIP.
THAT'S WHY IT WORKS AT A COST OF LESS THAN $10,000 PER CABIN, BUILT BY OVER 120 VOLUNTEERS WHO CONTINUE TO POUR INTO
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THE LIVES OF THESE WOMEN TO MAKE SURE THAT, THAT THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TOOLS AND THE, AND THE SUPPORT THEY NEED TO, TO GET BACK INTO A, A BETTER PLACE.THERE HAVE BEEN ZERO CALLS FOR POLICE, ZERO CALLS, UH, FROM THE NEIGHBOR'S COMPLAINTS, ZERO COMPLAINTS FROM THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL ACROSS THE STREET.
WHY DOES IT WORK? SCREENING? THEY ONLY TAKE WOMEN WHO WANT TO GET OFF THE STREET.
YOU HAVE TO MEET WITH A SOCIAL SERVICE COUNSELOR APPROXIMATELY ONCE A WEEK.
AND SOME OF THESE WOMEN BRING KIDS WITH THEM AND THEY FIT, UH, A, A WOMAN AND HER TWO KIDS IN AN EIGHT BY 12 SPACE INSIDE THAT CABIN.
IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE ALWAYS A THOUSAND PERSON SHELTER.
SOMETIMES YOU CAN DO THEM SIX AT A TIME.
SO I THINK WE NEED TO COME UP WITH SOME SAFE PARKING.
I KNOW THE COUNTY HAS SAFE PARKING.
THEY HAVE CLOSED IT RIGHT NOW.
UM, WHEN I WAS DOING THE, UH, HOMELESS POINT IN TIME COUNT, I'VE DONE IT FOR THE LAST FEW YEARS NOW.
UM, THE COUNTY DID NOT KNOW THAT IT WAS CLOSED.
JOEL ANDERSON DID NOT KNOW IT WAS CLOSED, BUT RIGHT NOW THEY'VE GOT IT CLOSED, UH, TO PUT IN ELECTRICITY AND WATER SO THEY CAN PUT IN SHOWERS.
WHEN I DID THE POINT IN TIME COUNT THIS YEAR, WE FOUND A LOT OUR CENSUS TRACK THAT WE WERE WORKING OFF.
WE FOUND A LOT OF PEOPLE LIVING IN THEIR CARS AND THEY WERE GOING TO WORK.
SO I THINK THAT THERE'S A NEED FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE JUST KIND OF IN BETWEEN.
THEY JUST ARE TRYING TO GET IN BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO SAVE UP THE MONEY TO GET INTO HOUSING BECAUSE HOUSING IS AN ISSUE.
AND HOUSING FIND, BEING ABLE TO AFFORD THAT APARTMENT, UH, AFFORD A ROOM.
ROOMS ARE GOING FROM ANYWHERE FROM 1200 TO $1,500 JUST FOR AN A ROOM.
SO I THINK THAT WE NEED TO COME UP WITH SOME NEW IDEAS.
UM, CHURCHES, I KNOW THAT THERE WAS ONE CHURCH WHO WAS INTERESTED IN DOING RV PARKING, AND I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK INTO SOME NEW IDEAS.
WE'VE GOT SOME GREAT PROGRAMS ALREADY, BUT I'D LIKE THE COUNCIL TO MAYBE LOOK INTO SOME, UH, SAFE PARKING.
UH, IF CHURCHES ARE, HAVE THE CAPACITY, LIKE OUR, OUR TINY HOMES, THEY HAVE THE SHOWERS, THEY HAVE, UH, CAPABILITIES OF FEEDING PEOPLE.
IF GOOD SHEPHERD MINISTRIES WANTED TO DO RV PARKING, WE NEED TO LOOK INTO THAT AND GET SOME OF THESE RVS OFF THE STREET.
OR MAYBE A TRUCK IF SOMEONE WANTS TO PARK THEIR TRUCK OR THEIR CAR.
SO THIS IS SOMETHING I'D LIKE THE COUNCIL TO LOOK INTO.
CAN, CAN WE, UM, CAN WE CHECK WITH THE COUNTY TO SEE A TIMELINE AS TO WHEN THEIR SAFE PARKING IS GONNA REOPEN? BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY'RE DOING PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE DOING PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS.
BUT THE PROBLEM IS, IS THAT IT, THE, THE MINUTE THAT CLOSED DOWN, THE HOMELESS MOVED BACK IN.
NOW I CONTACTED THE DIRECTOR OF HOMELESS SOLUTIONS, UH, DEANNA BECK AND I WAS REPORTING AND SENDING HER PICTURES LIKE EVERY WEEK THEY JUST MOVED IN.
THEY WERE MOVING BACK INTO THE CANALS RIGHT THERE.
AND IT'S BEEN AT LEAST A COUPLE OF MONTHS, THE COUNTY'S REALLY SLOW AND REVITALIZING THAT SAFE PARKING.
COULD WE HAVE STAFF JUST CHECK IN TO SEE WHEN, WHEN WE ANTICIPATE THAT COMING BACK IN? WE, WE CAN DO THAT.
IT'S BEEN CLOSED FOR QUITE A WHILE.
AND, AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE COST THAT THE, THE RO THE RETURN ON INVESTMENTS, I, I, I QUESTION IF THEY'RE HAVING TO BRING WATER AND ELECTRICITY OVER, IF THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE.
I MEAN, THAT SAFE PARKING, YOU KNOW, IT'S ONLY OPEN FROM 6:00 PM TO 6:00 AM IT SEEMED LIKE IT SERVED A GOOD PURPOSE.
SO WE'LL FIND OUT AND WE'LL SEND A MEMO TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
UH, I WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT COUNCILMAN GOBEL SPENT COUNTLESS HOURS VOLUNTEERING TO BUILD THOSE TINY HOUSES WITH HIS OWN TWO HANDS.
AND NOT ONLY DOES HE TALK THE TALK, BUT HE WALKS THE WALK.
UM, MY 2 CENTS ON, UH, GOING FORWARD, I, I THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE, HAVE TO FIND A WAY TO WORK CLOSER WITH THE COUNTY.
I, I'D LOVE TO FIND OUT HOW THE COUNTY, HOW THE COUNTY IS ALLOCATING ITS RESOURCES TO HOMELESSNESS WHERE, WHERE THEY'RE SPENDING THEIR MONEY, SPECIFICALLY IN REGARD TO EACH CITY, EACH MUNICIPALITY, YOU KNOW, I KNOW WE'RE NOT GETTING ANY MONEY FROM THE COUNTY, BUT OUR OTHER MUNICIPALITY IS GETTING MONEY FROM THE COUNTY.
IF SO, WHAT'S THE DISPARAGEMENT? AND, UH, BUT YOU KNOW, I, I THINK THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO, UM, FIND A WAY TO SIT DOWN TOGETHER BECAUSE THIS PROBLEM IS PROBABLY BIGGER THAN WE CAN, WE CAN DO ON OUR OWN.
SINCE ALL THE MONEY COMES TO THE COUNTY, IT SEEMS LIKE THEY SHOULD HAVE A SEAT AT THAT TABLE.
THERE IS NEW LEADERSHIP AT THE CAO LEVEL AT THE COUNTY.
THERE'S NEW LEADERSHIP AT HHSA.
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THERE'S NEW LEADERSHIP AT THE, THE HOMELESS, UH, DEPARTMENT.SO MAYBE THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, MEN SOME FENCES.
I HAVE NO DOUBT THAT JOEL ANDERSON'S OFFICE WOULD BE WILLING TO HELP US IN THAT REGARD.
TWO, TWO THINGS REALLY QUICKLY IS ONE, THERE IS THE COUNTY DOES OFFER SAFE PARKING RIGHT NOW IN SPRING VALLEY.
THERE'S A SITE IN SPRING VALLEY WHERE THERE'S SAFE PARKING AND THAT'S GOOD TO KNOW.
WE CAN HELP DIRECT PEOPLE THERE.
THE SECOND THING IS, ONE OF THE COUNCIL PRIORITIES FROM YOUR WORKSHOP LAST MONTH WAS TO BEEF UP THE, UH, DASHBOARD ON OUR CITY WEBSITE.
WHICH AGAIN, IS VERY TRANSPARENT, BUT IT CAN BE BETTER.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MS. DIAZ IS DOING IS ACTUALLY HAVING ALL OF HER STAFF THAT WILL BE INVOLVED WITH THE DASHBOARD DO RIDE ALONGS WITH THE OUTREACH TEAM.
SO THEY'RE NOT SITTING IN AN OFFICE THINKING WHAT THEY KNOW IS HAPPENING.
THEY'RE ACTUALLY GONNA BE ON THE STREET.
THEY'RE GOING TO TOUCH IT, FEEL IT, SMELL IT, ALL THAT, AND THEY'LL HAVE A BETTER SENSE OF REALLY WHAT WILL HELP OUR RESIDENTS KNOW WHAT SHOULD BE ON THE DASHBOARD.
SO I THOUGHT I'D SHARE THAT INFO WITH YOU.
ALRIGHT, CARRIE, A QUESTION FOR THE CITY MANAGER.
IS THE COUNTY STILL, UH, COLLECTING HOMELESS PEOPLE FROM ALL AROUND THE COUNTY, NORTH COUNTY AND SOUTH COUNTY AND PUTTING THEM INTO EL CAJON HOTELS? YEAH, I CAN CHECK.
ACTUALLY, YANI, IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
SO THIS, THIS SLIDE ACTUALLY SHOWS, UH, VOUCHER PROGRAM ONLY OFFERED BY EWIS.
THERE'S, THERE ARE THREE OR FOUR OTHER COUNTY VOUCHER PROGRAMS IN THE, IN THIS CITY.
UM, THIS IS JUST EQUIS PORTION THAT REALLY DE SHARP DECLINE IN USAGE OF OUR MOTELS WAS WHEN THE CITY COUNCIL ADOPTED YOUR POLICY WHERE WE START REQUIRING SOME ACCOUNTABILITY.
IT'S INTERESTING, WHEN YOU ASK FOR ACCOUNTABILITY, YOU GET CERTAIN RESULTS.
SO YOU CAN SEE THERE'S BEEN A LITTLE BIT OF AN EBB AND FLOW, BUT THERE HAS BEEN A SIGNIFICANT DROP RIGHT NOW WHERE I THINK AT, UH, LAST WEEK AT 84, UM, INDIVIDUALS IN MOTELS, UM, BASED ON OUR DATA THAT WE'VE ASKED FOR, WE STILL BELIEVE THAT THE MAJORITY, UH, NOT THE MAJORITY, BUT A, A A LARGE PERCENTAGE ARE NOT FROM THE CITY OF EL CAJON.
UM, BUT THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT THAT.
BUT IT'S GOOD TO KNOW THAT AT LEAST WHY DON'T YOU HAVE THE, UM, DATA FROM THE OTHER NGOS? BECAUSE THE COUNTY ONLY SHARES THIS WITH US AND WE RELY ON THEM SELF-REPORTING AND TO GET THIS LEVEL OF DETAIL.
WE DON'T GET THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL FROM THEM.
IS THE COUNTY STILL PAYING DOUBLE THE NORMAL RATE FOR THOSE MOTEL ROOMS? WE BELIEVE THAT THEY'RE PAYING BETWEEN A HUNDRED AND FORTY SIX, A HUNDRED FIFTY $6 A NIGHT, UH, FOR A HOTEL STAY.
AT, AT A RATE WHERE MOST OF THESE MOTELS ARE, ARE GOING FOR 80 TO $90 A NIGHT.
UH, AND ARE THEY, I KNOW BEFORE WE HAD SOME CHILD MOLESTERS WITH THAT WERE CONVICTED WITH THE ANKLE BRACELETS AND THEY WEREN'T BEING VETTED AND WE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THEM.
'CAUSE THEY WERE, THEY WERE IN MOTELS THAT WERE NEAR ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS AND SOME GIRLS WERE ASSAULTED.
UH, HAS, HAVE THEY ADDRESSED THAT PROBLEM? YOUR, YOUR POLICY HAS ADDRESSED THAT PROBLEM BECAUSE, BECAUSE STATE LAW GIVES THEM A PRETTY LONG PERIOD OF TIME BEFORE THEY HAVE TO REPORT UNDER YOUR NEW REGULATIONS.
THEY HAVE TO REPORT WITHIN HOURS OF BEING PLACED IN EL CAJON.
SO WE WILL KNOW IF THAT'S THE CASE.
IT HAS NOT BEEN THE CASE THUS FAR SINCE THE POLICY WENT INTO EFFECT.
UM, THE COUNTY MOTEL VOUCHER PROGRAM, THE FUNDING, IT WAS ARPA IS IT IS ARE HAVE, HAS THE COUNTY ALLOCATED FUNDS, UM, OUTSIDE OF ARPA FOR VOUCHER PROGRAMS? THEY MAY BE STILL USING SOME ARPA FUNDS OR SOME RESIDUAL, UM, COVID MONEY.
UH, I, AT SOME POINT THAT WILL DRY UP, LIKE OURS IS DRIED UP, SO I'M NOT QUITE SURE HOW THEY'RE GONNA FUND THIS PROGRAM AFTER.
OH, SO THEY YOU NOT TO YOUR KNOWLEDGE THAT THEY'VE DON'T KNOW HOW THEY'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO FUND IT.
ANYBODY ELSE? ALRIGHT, THANKS.
DO YOU HAVE ENOUGH DIRECTION? THAT'S VERY HELPFUL.
THERE ARE NO COMMISSION REPORTS ON TODAY'S AGENDA.
[12. Council Activity Report]
ITEM 12 IS MY ACTIVITY REPORT, WHICH IS AS REPORTED.[13. COUNCILMEMBER STEVE GOBLE MTS (Metropolitan Transit System Board); East County Advanced Water Purification Joint Powers Authority Board; Chamber of Commerce – Government Affairs Committee; SANDAG – Board of Directors – Alternate; SANDAG Public Safety Committee – Alternate.]
AND THEN WHERE ACTIVITIES REPORTS FOR COUNCIL MEMBERS.GOBEL, UH, AS REPORTED WITH ONE COMMENT ABOUT AN MTS MEETING, EXECUTIVE MEETING, UH, LAST WEEK, THE MTS IS FACING A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS BUDGET SHORTFALL TO MAKE UP EVEN IF THEY DISCONTINUE THE ENTIRE TROLLEY SYSTEM, BUT IT'LL ONLY SAVE HALF OF THAT.
SO THERE IS NO DISCUSSION OF DISCONTINUING THE TROLLEY.
I'M JUST GIVING YOU A SENSE OF HOW BIG THE PROBLEM IS.
THERE WERE TWO, UH, ITEMS THAT WERE PUT FORTH ON THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION.
ONE WAS AN OPERATIONAL ANALYSIS OF ALL THE BUSES AND THE TROLLEYS THAT RIND AND
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HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE ON THE BUSES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.SEE IF THERE'S ANY EFFICIENCY.
THE OTHER WAS A POTENTIAL SALES TAX COMING IN NEXT YEAR OF A HALF A CENT, UH, TO, TO TAKE OVER THAT, UH, MY COMMENT WAS I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A THIRD OPTION AND THAT IS, I THINK THE PUBLIC WOULD EXPECT A SHARED PARTICIPATION OF EVERYBODY IN TRYING TO CLOSE THAT GAP.
AND SO I PUT ON THE, UM, AGENDA A FAIR INCREASE FOR THOSE RIDING THE BUS AND TROLLEY BECAUSE THAT SEEMS FAIR, NO PUN INTENDED, UH, THAT EVERYONE SHOULD PARTICIPATE IN THE SOLUTION.
THAT WOULD TAKE ONE YEAR TO DO THAT WOULD BE DONE BY SANDAG.
AND THOSE THREE ITEMS WILL BE VOTED ON AT THE MTS BOARD MEETING THIS THURSDAY.
[14. MAYOR PRO TEM GARY KENDRICK METRO Commission/Wastewater JPA; Heartland Communications; Heartland Fire Training JPA.]
YOU STEVE.UH, I'D LIKE TO ADD THAT I WENT TO A METRO, UH, JOINT POWERS AGREEMENT MEETING LAST THURSDAY.
[16. COUNCILMEMBER PHIL ORTIZ League of California Cities, San Diego Division; East County Economic Development Council; MTS (Metropolitan Transit System Board) – Alternate; East County Advanced Water Purification Joint Powers Authority Board – Alternate; Chamber of Commerce – Government Affairs Committee – Alternate.]
MR. ORTIZ, UH, AS REPORTED[15. COUNCILMEMBER MICHELLE METSCHEL Harry Griffen Park Joint Steering Committee; METRO Commission/Wastewater JPA – Alternate; Heartland Communications – Alternate; Heartland Fire Training JPA – Alternate.]
MS. MITCHELL AS REPORTED.[17. A Resolution Declaring the City's Commitment to Ensure the Public Safety of All Residents and Asserting the City's Intent to Comply with Federal Immigration Law to the Legal Extent Permissible for the Sole Purpose of Removing Violent Criminals from our Community RECOMMENDATION: That the City Council adopts the next Resolution, in order, titled, "A Resolution of the City Council of the City of El Cajon Declaring the City's Commitment to Ensure the Public Safety of All Residents and Asserting the City's Intent to Comply with Federal Immigration Law to the Legal Extent Permissible for the Sole Purpose of Removing Violent Criminals from our Community."]
THERE IS ONE JOINT COUNCIL MEMBER REPORT ON TODAY'S AGENDA IS FROM COUNCIL MEMBER GOBEL AND MYSELF.THIS IS WHAT WE'RE ALL HERE FOR TONIGHT.
THIS I, SINCE I'M THE ONE WHO BROUGHT IT LAST TIME, I'M GONNA GET, LEAVE IT TO, UH, MR. GOBEL TO EXPLAIN AND WE'LL GO FROM THERE.
THE DAY AFTER THE LAST MEETING, UH, WE HAD THREE RESOLUTIONS BEFORE US AND NONE OF THE THREE GOT PASSED, BUT I THINK THE ENTIRE COUNCIL AGREED ON AT LEAST, AT LEAST TWO THINGS.
NUMBER ONE, WE'RE NOT A SANCTUARY CITY.
AND NUMBER TWO, WE WOULD NOT BLOCK, OBSTRUCT, HINDER, OTHERWISE INTERFERE WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT COMING INTO REMOVE VIOLENT CRIMINALS FROM OUR CITY.
SO I THINK WE WERE REALLY CLOSE.
UH, WE JUST KIND OF RAN OUT OF TIME.
AND SO THE NEXT DAY I REACHED OUT TO THE MAYOR.
I SAID, UH, I THINK WE CAN FIND A COMMON GROUND FOR ALL OF US.
AND MY PARTICULAR CONCERN WAS ONCE WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT POLICE OFFICERS, THEN I SAID, WELL, I WANT INDEMNIFICATION OR PROTECTION OR DEFENSE FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT FOR OUR POLICE OFFICERS IF THEY'RE DOING SOMETHING LAWFUL IN THE COURSE OF THEIR DUTIES.
I'LL TALK ABOUT THAT SITUATION IN A LITTLE BIT.
UH, MY POSITION ON THIS ISSUE HAS NOT CHANGED.
IT IS STILL ABOUT PUBLIC SAFETY FOR ME, THE CITY OF EL CAJON IS NOT A SANCTUARY, NEVER HAS BEEN.
AND I WILL CONTINUE TO FIGHT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE NEVER A SANCTUARY CITY.
I SUPPORT PRESIDENT TRUMP'S POSITION TO ENFORCE FEDERAL IMMIGRATION LAW TO RED OUR CITY OF THE MOST SERIOUS AND VIOLENT CRIMINALS LIVING HERE ILLEGALLY.
I WELCOME TOM HOLMAN TRUMP'S BORDERS ARE TO DO THIS.
AND SPEAKING OF MR. HOLMAN, I RECENTLY HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO MEET WITH HIM IN MID-NOVEMBER.
HER FRIENDS SAID TO MEET, TOM AND I WORKED TOGETHER HERE IN THE CITY OF EL CAJON IN THE EARLY NINETIES, AND WE'RE STILL IN TOUCH.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO MEET HIM? I SAID, OF COURSE, I'D LIKE TO HEAR WHAT HE HAS TO SAY, BUT WE SHOULD INVITE THE MAYOR AS WELL.
I INVITED MAYOR WELLS TO THAT MEETING A FEW DAYS BEFORE CHRISTMAS.
WE ALL MET AND WE LISTENED TO TOM'S PLAN TO GET 647,000 PEOPLE LIVING ILLEGALLY IN THE CITY WHO HAD BEEN CONVICTED OR WANTED FOR SERIOUS AND VIOLENT CRIMES.
HE ALSO TALKED ABOUT THE URGENCY TO FIND 300,000 MISSING MINORS.
THE MAYOR AND I BOTH TOLD HIM WE ARE NOT A SANCTUARY CITY AND WELCOMED HIM TO COME GET THE VIOLENT CRIMINALS OUT OF OUR CITY AND WE WOULDN'T BE SATISFIED UNTIL THEY'RE ALL GONE.
I CAN ASSURE YOU MR. HOLMAN IS COMMITTED TO MAKING OUR CITY SAFE FROM THE CRIMINAL ALIENS WHO ARE HARMFUL TO OUR RESIDENTS.
FURTHER, I WELCOME ANY AND ALL LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES WHO WILL REMOVE VIOLENT CRIMINALS FROM OUR CITY.
AT THE SAME TIME, I BELIEVE OUR OFFICERS ARE NOT, CANNOT AND SHOULD NOT BE IMMIGRATION AGENTS TODAY WHEN YOU CALL FOR HELP, OUR POLICE OFFICERS DON'T ASK ANY ONE OF THEIR CITIZENSHIP STATUS.
THEY WON'T EVEN KNOW IN THEIR SYSTEMS THEIR JOB IS TO SERVE AND PROTECT.
IN THE MEETING WITH TOM HARMON, EVEN HE SAID HE DOESN'T WANT LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT TO DO IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT.
THE RESOLUTION WHICH THE MAYOR AND I REACHED A, AN AGREEMENT ON BEFORE ESTATES, WELL, ACTUALLY LET'S SAY THAT 'CAUSE WE'LL GO THROUGH THE RESOLUTION SHORTLY.
UH, I BELIEVE WORKING WITH ICE BORDER PATROL OR ANY OTHER AGENCY INVOLVING ENFORCEMENT OF FEDERAL IMMIGRATION LAW SHOULD BE FOR THE SOLE PURPOSE OF REMOVING VIOLENT CRIMINALS.
NOW, AT THE SAME TIME, WE NEED TO CHANGE SB 54 TO ALLOW OUR POLICE THE OPTION TO CONTACT ICE WHEN THERE IS A KNOWN CONVICTED CRIMINAL
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LIVING IN OUR CITY OR COUNTRY.I BELIEVE THAT LEGISLATION IS IMPORTANT AND IN DEVELOPMENT.
I ALSO RECOGNIZE THERE'S A CONFLICT BETWEEN FEDERAL AND CALIFORNIA LAW AS B 54 ON THIS ISSUE, I AND MY COLLEAGUES DO NOT HAVE THE ABILITY TO RESOLVE THIS CONFLICT.
AND I DON'T WANT THIS CONFLICT TO BOIL OVER AND PUNISH OUR POLICE OFFICERS IN ANY WAY.
THAT'S WHY I OFFERED AN AMENDMENT TO THE RESOLUTION BEFORE US TO QUOTE, SEEK ASSISTANCE FROM THE UNITED STATES ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE TO INDEMNIFY OR DEFEND OUR CITY AND ITS EMPLOYEES FOR ANY ASSISTANCE OR COOPERATION WITH FEDERAL INTEGRATION AUTHORITIES AS PERMITTED BY LAW, WE NEED TO SEND A STRONG MESSAGE, ESPECIALLY TO OUR POLICE OFFICERS THAT WE HAVE THEIR BACKS.
THE AMENDED RESOLUTION ADDING TO SEEK PROTECTION FOR OUR EMPLOYEES WHEN ACTING LAWFULLY IN THE COURSE OF THEIR DUTIES IS FOR THE SOLE PURPOSE OF GETTING RID OF SERIOUS AND VIOLENT CRIMINALS AND TO PROTECT THE PEOPLE IN THE CITY OF EL CAJON.
SO LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT THIS RESOLUTION WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY.
LET'S GO ON TO THE NEXT POINT.
RESOLVE THAT THE CITY DECLARES ITS INTENT TO COMPLY WITH THE ENFORCEMENT OF FEDERAL IMMIGRATION LAW TO THE LEGAL EXTENT PERMISSIBLE, WHICH MEANS ACCORDING TO THE CURRENT LAW FOR THE SOLE PURPOSE, THE ONLY PURPOSE OF REMOVING THOSE THAT HAVE COMMITTED VIOLENT CRIMINAL OFFENSES AS DEFINED BY CALIFORNIA PENAL CODE, ET CETERA.
WE DECLARE WE ARE NOT A SANCTUARY CITY.
WE WILL NOT OBSTRUCT, IMPEDE, INTERFERE, OR OTHERWISE BLOCK ANY FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY FROM ITS DUTIES.
NUMBER THREE, THAT WE'LL SEEK ASSISTANCE FROM THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE TO INDEMNIFY THE CITY AND ITS EMPLOYEES FOR ANY ASSISTANCE AS PERMITTED BY LAW.
NUMBER FOUR, THAT WE REMAIN STEADFAST IN OUR COMMITMENT TO PROTECTING THE SAFETY AND WELLBEING OF OUR RESIDENTS, PARTICULARLY THOSE MOST VULNERABLE TO CRIMINAL ACTIVITIES SUCH AS HUMAN TRAFFICKING AND DRUG DISTRIBUTION.
NUMBER FIVE, THAT WE WILL CONTINUE TO COMPLY WITH ALL FEDERAL AND STATE LAWS RECOGNIZING THERE ARE CONFLICTS BETWEEN FEDERAL AND STATE LAWS.
NUMBER SIX, WE RECOGNIZE THE IMPORTANCE OF MEETING, MAINTAINING TRUST WITHIN THE COMMUNITY.
AND WE ARE REAFFIRM OUR COMMITMENT TO TREATING ALL RESIDENTS WITH DIGNITY AND RESPECT REGARDLESS OF INTEGRATION STATUS.
NUMBER SEVEN, WE WILL CONTINUE TO REQUEST ADDITIONAL CLARIFICATION AND GUIDANCE FROM BOTH THE US AND CALIFORNIA AG.
AND NUMBER EIGHT, UH, THE CITY CLERK IS ELECTED TO SEND A COPY OF THIS TO THE PEOPLE LISTED.
THIS IS ESSENTIALLY THE SAME RESOLUTION, BUT WITH MY DESIRE TO ADD PROTECTION FOR, FOR OUR POLICE OFFICERS IF THEY'RE GOING TO PROVIDE ANY ASSISTANCE.
IF SOMEBODY RUNS THE BORDER PATROL CHECKPOINT IN PINE VALLEY AND THE BORDER PATROL BEGINS A CHASE AND THAT CHASE COMES DOWN INTO EL CAJON, IF THAT PERSON GETS ONTO OUR CITY STREET, WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO JOIN THAT CHASE.
HOWEVER, IF THAT PERSON RUNS A RED LIGHT SPEEDS OR DOES SOME OTHER VIOLATION OF CALIFORNIA LAW, WE MAY JOIN THE CHASE.
SO AT THAT POINT, IF WE PULL OVER THE CAR AND IF WE HAND OVER THAT PERSON TO ICE, WE DID SO LAWFULLY BECAUSE WE PULLED THAT PULL PERSON OVER FOR RUNNING A RED LIGHT AND SPEEDING.
WE DID NOT PULL THAT PER PULL.
WE DID NOT PULL THAT PERSON OVER FOR VIOLATING IMMIGRATION LAW.
IF ANYONE TO WERE TO COME AFTER OUR POLICE OFFICERS AND SAY YOU VIOLATED LAW BY ASSISTING ICE OR BORDER PATROL IN THIS EXAMPLE, THAT'S NOT TRUE.
WE PULLED THAT PERSON OVER BECAUSE THEY RAN A RED LIGHT AND THEY SPED IN OUR CITY.
WE NEED TO PROTECT OUR OFFICERS.
WE CAN'T MAKE THEM SECOND GUESS WHAT THEY DO TO KEEP US SAFE.
THAT'S THE RESOLUTION BEFORE US.
I THINK WE HAVE COME TO A, UH, A REASONABLE, UH, CONCERN ABOUT USE PROTECTION, COMPLIANCE WITH EXISTING LAW.
AND I THINK, UH, I'D BE INTERESTED TO HEAR WHAT MY COLLEAGUES HAVE TO SAY AND THEN THE PUBLIC, UM, YOU KNOW WHAT I, WHAT I'M GONNA DO AT THIS POINT BECAUSE I THINK WHEN WE DISCUSS ALL THIS, WE'RE GONNA WANT TO DISCUSS THE THINGS THAT THE PUBLIC HAS TO SAY ABOUT IT.
SO RATHER THAN DO THIS TWICE, I'M GOING TO DO PUBLIC COMMENT WHEN THAT'S ALL FINISHED, WE WILL HAVE DISCUSSION HERE.
EVERYBODY OKAY WITH THAT? YEAH.
SO WE'RE GONNA GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT BEFORE WE START.
UM, I'M GONNA LIMIT PUBLIC COMMENT TO TWO MINUTES.
I I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT I WAS UNDER A LOT OF PRESSURE TO LIMIT PUBLIC COMMENT TO ONE MINUTE, BUT I HAVE PROBLEMS
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WITH THAT.THE, I I THINK THE FIRST AMENDMENT GIVES US EVERYBODY THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.
AND WE MAY BE HERE A LONG TIME TONIGHT, BUT, BUT THAT'S OKAY.
SO I THINK TWO MINUTES IS A GOOD COMPROMISE.
UM, I'M HOPING EVERYBODY WILL BE RESPECTFUL OF EVERYBODY ELSE AND WE CAN JUST MOVE THROUGH THIS AND GET TO THE END AND COME TO A CONCLUSION.
UM, HAVING SAID THAT, LET'S START WITH PUBLIC COMMENT.
WE HAVE 46 SPEAKERS AND AS WE DID LAST TIME, WE WILL CALL PEOPLE IN IN THREE.
WHEN WE CALL YOUR NAME, IF YOU CAN PLEASE STAND DOWN THE MIDDLE AISLE AND BE READY TO SPEAK SO IT CAN MOVE A LITTLE BIT QUICKER.
THE FIRST THREE SPEAKERS ARE LARRY OLDS, NICOLE BACCA, AND MELISSA ORTIZ BALDWIN.
SB 54 IS THE FLY IN THE OINTMENT FOR I THINK ALL OF US, AND IT'S BEEN DISCUSSED AND TALKED ABOUT AND WRITTEN ABOUT.
AND I FOUND A PASSAGE ON THE INTERNET THAT I THOUGHT WAS PARTICULARLY GOOD.
AND WHAT IT SAYS IS, FEDERAL LAW IS UNAMBIGUOUS IN ITS SUPREMACY OVER IMMIGRATION MATTERS.
UNDER THE SUPREMACY CLAUSE OF THE CONSTITUTION, FEDERAL LAW TAKES PRECEDENCE OVER CONFLICTING STATES AND LOCALE LOCAL POLICIES.
THE IMMIGRATION AND NATIONALITY ACT GRANTS THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT EXCLUSIVE AUTHORITY OVER IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT AND CONGRESS HAS DETERMINED THAT COOPERATION BETWEEN LAW, UH, LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT AND FEDERAL IMMIGRATION AUTHORITIES IS ESSENTIAL.
STATUTES SUCH AS EIGHT USC 1373 EXPLICITLY PROHIBIT STATE AND LOCAL GOVERNMENTS FROM ENACTING POLICIES THAT REFLECT, UH, THAT RESTRICT COMMUNICATIONS WITH FEDERAL IMMIGRATION AGENCIES.
DID YOU HEAR WHAT I SAID? STATUTES SUCH AS EIGHT USC 1373 EXPLICITLY PROHIBIT STATES AND LOCAL GOVERNMENTS FROM ENACTING POLICIES THAT RESTRICT COMMUNICATIONS WITH FEDERAL AND IMMIGRATION AGENCIES.
THIS STATUS ENSURES THAT LOCAL OFFICIALS CANNOT BLOCK OR IMPEDE THE FLOW OF CRITICAL INFORMATION NEEDED TO ENFORCE FEDERAL IMMIGRATION.
MOREOVER, THE REFUSAL OF THE TO HONOR ICE DETAINERS UNDERMINES THE PUBLIC SAFETY RATIONALE UNDERLYING IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT DETAINERS ARE ISSUED AGAINST INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE BEEN ARRESTED FOR VIOLATING STATE OR LOCAL LAWS, MEANING THESE ARE INDIVIDUALS ALREADY FOUND TO POSE A THREAT TO THE COMMUNITY BY REFUSING TO COMPLY WITH ICE DETAINER, SANCTUARY JURISDICTIONS ACTIVELY SHIELD CRIMINAL ALIENS FROM DE DEPORTATION ALLOWING THEM TO BE RELEASED BACK INTO THE COMMUNITIES.
BUT I, I'M, I'M, I DO LIKE WHAT, WHAT YOU'RE DOING THERE.
IF YOU LIVE UP TO THAT, I AM MUCH BETTER WITH YOUR DECISION.
I URGE YOU TO REJECT THIS PROPOSAL.
MY NAME'S NICOLE AND I SPOKE AT THE LAST CITY COUNCIL MEETING, AND I'M ALSO A LIFELONG RESIDENT OF EL CAJON.
MUCH LIKE EVERYONE HERE TODAY, I FEEL STRONGLY ABOUT THIS RESOLUTION PUT IN FRONT OF US.
I'M OPPOSED TO THIS NOT BECAUSE I'M OPPOSED TO LAW AND CONSEQUENCE, BUT I'M OPPOSED TO IT BECAUSE IMMIGRATION IS NOT THE JOB OF THE ELCON POLICE DEPARTMENT.
REMOVE POLITICS FROM THIS FOR A SECOND.
WHAT IS THE JOB OF LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT TO POLICE THE COMMUNITY AND BE A RESPONSIBLE AND TRUSTED ENTITY IN SOCIETY? THIS RESOLUTION DOES NOT ACCOMPLISH THAT.
FURTHERMORE, OUR PRIMARY CRIME ISSUES IN EL CAJON ARE RELATED TO HOMELESSNESS AND DRUGS, WHICH THIS RESOLUTION DOES NOT ADDRESS TO THE NAKED EYE.
IMMIGRATION IS NOT THE CAUSE OF THOSE PROBLEMS, HENCE, THE REASON I FEEL THE WAY THAT I DO THIS RESOLUTION, IN MY OPINION, IS A MISUSE OF OUR ALREADY LIMITED RESOURCES.
I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE DIFFERENT POLITICAL LEANINGS ON THIS, AND NO AMOUNT OF TIME OR NUMBER OF SPEECHES ARE GOING TO CHANGE THE WAY THAT PEOPLE FEEL.
SO THAT TELLS US THAT THERE MIGHT BE VALUE IN UNDERSTANDING PERSPECTIVE.
THIS RESOLUTION DOES NOT ACCOMPLISH BUILDING COMMUNITY TRUST OR TACKLE OUR PRIMARY POLICING CONCERNS.
AFTER THE LAST CITY COUNCIL MEETING, MAYOR WELLS SAID THAT OUR COMMUNITY WAS LESS SAFE AS A RESULT OF IT NOT PASSING.
BUT WHAT HAS CHANGED IN THE LAST TWO WEEKS? NOTHING.
SO IF NOTHING HAS CHANGED, HOW DID THINGS BECOME MORE DANGEROUS FOR THE RESIDENTS OF EL CAJON? GO ON WHATEVER SOCIAL MEDIA YOU CHOOSE, AND THERE'S VIDEO DOCUMENTATION IN REAL TIME OF THESE KINDS OF POLICIES GOING AWRY, WE HAVE TO ASK OURSELVES, WHO DOES THIS RESOLUTION BENEFIT THE COMMUNITY BY REMOVING THE FATHER OF VISITING HIS FIVE-YEAR-OLD DAUGHTER IN THEIR HOME,
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OR BILL WELLS, WHO HAS TV CAMERAS HERE TODAY WHO CAN GET HIS SOUND BITES IN TO GO ON NEWSMAX OR KUSI LATER TODAY? IT IS A WASTE OF TIME AND A WASTE OF OUR RESOURCES.I URGE YOU TO VOTE NO THANK YOU.
PLEASE PRIORITIZE POLICIES THAT FOSTER SAFETY AND TRUST RATHER THAN DIVISION AND FEAR.
AFTER MS. ORTIZ, UH, WE HAVE MAYORS RYAN, MS. STRANGE, AND MARY MAUREEN BRAHAM.
MY NAME'S MELISSA ORTIZ BALDWIN, NO RELATION TO PHIL.
UM, FIRST THIS RESOLUTION CONTINUES THE FEAR MON MONERING TACTICS TO PERSUADE THE PUBLIC TO ALLOW POLICE COLLABORATION WITH ICE.
UH, THE RESOLUTION ON PAGE ONE OF THE RESOLUTION STATES OUR CLAIMS THERE ARE OVER 647,000 NON UNDOCUMENTED INDIVIDUALS CONVICTED OF VIOLENT CRIMES.
THIS IS FALSE ACCORDING TO THE COUNSEL'S OWN EXHIBIT, SPECIFICALLY A LETTER FROM ICE PAGES SEVEN AND NINE OF THE RESOLUTION.
THE ACTUAL NUMBER OF UN VIOLENT CRIMINALS IS 271,917 NATIONWIDE.
THE RESOLUTION, HOWEVER, FALSELY IMPLIES THAT THIS NUMBER IS MORE THAN TWICE AS HIGH.
MY SECOND ISSUE WITH THIS IS THAT IT SEEKS TO BYPASS STATE GOVERNMENT OVERSIGHT, CENSURE, AND POTENTIAL REPERCUSSIONS BY APPEALING TO TRUMP AND HIS ALLIES FOR FEDERAL PROTECTION.
THIS IS PAGE TWO, ITEM THREE OF THE RESOLUTION.
THIS SETS A DANGEROUS PRECEDENT AND APPEARS TO BE A POLITICAL MOVE BY BILL WELLS TO ALIGN WITH THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION.
SOMETHING HE HIMSELF ADMITTED TO AT THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING WHEN HE STATED HIS INTENT TO PLANT A FLAG FOR TRUMP.
NOW, THERE WAS A PERSON EARLIER THIS SAID THAT SHE WAS SPEAKING OUT OF A PLACE OF LOVE AS SHE PROCEEDED TO EXCORIATE.
COUNCIL MEMBER MITCHELL SPEAKING, PASSIONATE ABOUT SOMETHING IMPORTANT TO YOU AND YOUR CONSTITUENTS IS ACTUALLY PROOF THAT YOU CARE ABOUT YOUR CONSTITUENTS.
PLEASE, PLEASE, COUNCIL MEMBER MICHELLE, DO NOT LET PEOPLE WHO DON'T LIKE WHERE YOU STAND JUST LIKE YOU.
I'M GONNA JUST GO AHEAD AND ECHO AS SHE JUST SAID, BECAUSE THIS MORNING STEVE GOBEL, YOU GOT AN EMAIL FROM PATRICIA MONON FROM THE ALLIANCE SAN DIEGO FOR IMMIGRATION.
AND SHE ALSO AGREES THAT THOSE NUMBERS ARE WRONG.
SO I URGE YOU TO LOOK AT THAT EMAIL.
BUT I ALSO WANNA POINT OUT THAT ON THURSDAY, JANUARY 31ST, TWO DAYS AFTER THIS PROPOSITION WAS STRUCK DOWN ON THE CORNER OF GUSTAVO AND HAMSHAW, WE GOT OUR FIRST REPORT AT 7:20 AM OF A CHECKPOINT IN WHICH A RESIDENT WAS ASKED FOR HIS, UH, DRIVER'S LICENSE AND FOR HIS REGISTRATION LIKE NORMAL.
ONCE IT WAS HANDED OVER TO HIM, HE WAS THEN ASKED FOR HIS LEGAL STATUS.
GUESS THE COLOR OF HIS SKIN? EVERYBODY.
WHEN HE, UH, INVOKED HIS RIGHT TO DECLINE TO ANSWER, THAT OFFICER THREW THE, UH, LICENSE AND REGISTRATION BACK AT HIS CHEST AND TOLD HIM TO GO.
OKAY, BECAUSE LET'S GET TO NUMBER THREE BECAUSE I'M HERE TO CHALLENGE YOU ON LINE NUMBER THREE OF THIS PROPOSITION.
SPECIFICALLY THE WORD INDEMNIFY.
THIS COUNCIL DIDN'T CHOOSE THAT WORD BY ACCIDENT.
INDEMNIFY MEANS TO SHIELD FROM LIABILITY TO PREEMPTIVELY EXCUSE WRONGDOING.
INSTEAD, THIS WORD SERVES AS A FREE PASS FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT OR CITY OFFICIALS WHO VIOLATE SB 54.
YOU CANNOT CLAIM NEUTRALITY ON THIS ISSUE EITHER YOU STAND WITH YOUR COMMUNITY, YOUR NEIGHBORS, YOUR CONSTITUENTS, OR YOU STAND AGAINST US.
IF THIS COUNCIL TRULY BELIEVES IN FAIRNESS AND THE RULE OF LAW, THEN I DEMAND THAT YOU PROVIDE A CLEAR MARGIN OF PROTECTION FOR THE PEOPLE WITH NO VIOLENT RECORD IN THIS PROPOSITION AT ALL COSTS.
AMENDED LAST PART OF LINE NUMBER THREE.
INSTEAD OF THE VAGUE PHRASE PERMITTED BY LAW, IT MUST EXPLICITLY STATE COMPLIANCE WITH THE CALIFORNIA PENAL CODE ALREADY REFERENCED IN THIS PROPOSITION.
COULD COULD YOU PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME? OH, I WILL.
I APPRECIATE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH THIS COUNCIL.
UM, I AM ASKING THIS COUNCIL TO VOTE NO ON THIS RESOLUTION.
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THE COLLEGE AND MIDDLE SCHOOL LEVEL FOR 20 YEARS, AND I AM PRESENTLY TEACHING IN EL CAJON.DURING ALL OF THIS TIME, I HAVE TAUGHT STUDENTS OF ALL COLORS.
I HAVE A STAKE IN EL CAJON ISSUES AS WELL.
I OWNED A HOME FOR 35 YEARS UP IN CREST.
ALL THREE OF MY CHILDREN WENT TO GRANITE HILLS AND THREE OF MY GRANDCHILDREN ATTEND LOCAL SCHOOLS HERE.
MY SON AND DAUGHTER LIVE AND WORK HERE AS WELL.
SO I UNDERSTAND BEING PROTECTIVE OF WHERE YOUR LOVED ONES LIVE AND ATTEND SCHOOL.
AND I CAN SEE THAT YOU MIGHT PROJECT THAT THIS RESOLUTION WILL KEEP YOU SAFER.
BUT WHAT I DO NOT UNDERSTAND IS THE HATE AND THE DISINFORMATION ASSOCIATED WITH DUMPING ALL OF THE RESPONSIBILITY FOR ALL OF THE CITY'S CRIME ON A GROUP OF PEOPLE BECAUSE OF THE COLOR OF THEIR SKIN.
LIKE MR. GOBEL AND MR. KENDRICK HAVE BOTH SAID TODAY, THIS COUNCIL IS HERE TO PROTECT ALL KIDS.
PLEASE VOTE NO ON THIS RESOLUTION.
TAXPAYERS OVERSIGHT FOR PARENTS AND STUDENTS WANT TO INFORM YOU THAT SINCE THE LAST TIME WE WERE HERE, THE LAKE AND RILEY ACT PASSED THE VERY NEXT DAY.
STEVE, YOU GOT ALMOST A MILLION VIEWS ON LIBS OF TIKTOK.
THE HEADLINES READ, AND I QUOTE, EL CAJON WANTS THEIR CITY TO BE OVERRUN BY CRIMINAL IMMIGRANTS.
THE LAKEN ACT MANDATES THE FEDERAL DETENTION OF ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS WHO ARE ACCUSED OF THEFT, BURGLARY, ASSAULT, LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS, AND ANY CRIME THAT CAUSES DEATH OR SERIOUS BODILY INJURY, OF COURSE WE MUST WELCOME IMMIGRANTS.
BUT SINCE THE CARTELS HAVE TAKEN OVER BY TRAFFICKING FENTANYL AND TENS OF THOUSANDS OF WOMEN AND CHILDREN, YOU'LL HAVE MORE HOMELESS AND DEATH IF YOU DON'T PASS THIS RESOLUTION.
DID I MENTION YOU'LL LOSE YOUR FEDERAL FUNDING TOO? I SINCERELY HOPE YOU CAN REFORM ARC IMMIGRATION LAWS TO EXPEDITE PROCESSING QUALIFIED INDIVIDUALS BECAUSE WE DO NEED LEGAL IMMIGRATION FOR THEIR SAFETY AS WELL AS OURS.
THEY'RE TWO OF THEM IN MY FAMILY.
I'M MARRIED TO ONE MY SISTER-IN-LAW.
WE NEED IMMIGRANTS, BUT IT TOOK THEM FIVE YEARS TO GET NATURALIZED CITIZENS.
AN ADVANCE BOARD FOR BEING HERE TODAY AND PASSING THIS COMMON SENSE RESOLUTION.
JOANNA ROSE, UH, BERMUDA AND ADRIANA HASSEL RIGHT NOW.
ANY, ANY ORDER, JUST STATE YOUR NAME PLEASE.
HERE AGAIN, HOW TO SCHEDULE NINE PATIENTS RESCHEDULED.
SP 54 PROHIBITS LOCAL POLICE FROM WORKING WITH ICE, EXCEPT IN SOME CIRCUMSTANCES PASSING A RESOLUTION NOT IDENTICAL TO S SP 54 TO COOPERATE WITH ICE VIOLATES THIS LAW COURTS RULED THAT HOLDING SOMEONE ON A ICE DETAINER WITHOUT PROPER LEGAL AUTHORITY VIOLATES THE FOURTH AMENDMENT.
THE POLICE DEPARTMENT RISK LAWSUITS IF THEY COOPERATE WITH ICE WITH NO JUDICIAL WARRANT.
CITIES THAT IGNORE IMMIGRATION LAWS WILL FACE LEGAL ACTION FROM THE STATE.
THE CALIFORNIA ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE HAS STATED THEY'RE MONITORING COMPLIANCE AND WILL TAKE ACTION AGAINST NON-COMPLIANCE DEPORTATIONS.
TAKE MEMBERS FROM YOUR LOCAL WORKFORCE, WHICH WILL TANK YOUR TOWN'S ECONOMY.
THIS MEANS A HIGHER COST OF LIVING IN EL CAJON.
YOUR TOWN WILL FACE COSTLY LAWSUITS AS THE POLICE WORK WITH ICE IN VIOLATION OF STATE LAW.
CALIFORNIA WILL WITHHOLD FUNDING FROM THIS TOWN DUE TO NON-COMPLIANCE.
COOPERATING WITH ICE WILL STRAIN LOCAL EMS RESULTING IN PUBLIC SAFETY RISK.
SINCE WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS HIGHLY UNETHICAL AND LEGALLY QUESTIONABLE.
I HAVE REPORTED YOU TO THE SAN DIEGO COUNTY DA, THE SAN DIEGO OR THE STATE ATTORNEY GENERAL.
THE STATE AUDITOR, THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE, AND TO CONGRESSWOMAN SARA JACOBS WHO WAS UNAWARE THAT YOU ARE TRYING TO PASS THIS AGAIN, ANOTHER HISTORY LESSON FOR YOU.
THOSE OF US WHO ARE MEXICAN HAVE INDIGENOUS BLOOD.
OKAY? OUR CONNECTION TO THIS LAND ISN'T JUST HISTORICAL, IT'S ANCESTRAL.
AND WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT BORDERS DRAWN ON MATH.
SO TALKING ABOUT BIRTHRIGHTS AND I CHALLENGE YOU LOOK DOWN AT WHERE YOUR FEET REST.
IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN, AND IT'S TIME.
WE ALL RECOGNIZE THAT UNDENIABLE TRUTH.
AND I HEARD THE VOICEMAILS YOU GOT
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STEVE, I KNOW YOU WERE CHASTISED, THREATENED AND HARASSED.AND I'M SORRY, I'M VERY SORRY THAT HAPPENED TO YOU 'CAUSE I KNOW YOU PROBABLY HAVE KIDS AND YOU'RE PROBABLY SCARED.
THE NEXT, THE NEXT THREE SPEAKERS, AND IF YOU COULD PLEASE, ONCE YOU HEAR YOUR NAME, COME AND STAND IN THE MIDDLE AISLE, PLEASE.
AUDRA ADRIANA HASSEL AND AMY REKER.
IMAGINE THE MISGUIDANCE AND MISUNDERSTANDING GOING ON IN THIS ROOM.
IT'S INTERESTING 'CAUSE YOU GUYS ARE SEEMINGLY TRYING TO PROTECT AGAINST VIOLENT CRIMINALS.
IT'S WEIRD THAT IT'S A PROBLEM AND THAT PEOPLE ARE LIKE AGAINST THAT.
AND THEN WHEN I CALL OUT SOMEBODY BEING VIOLENT, THEY SAY THAT I AM JUST BY ASKING YOU TO BE CALM AND COLLECTED.
SO NOW I GET WHY THERE'S SO MUCH MISGUIDANCE IN THIS ROOM AND PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO ACTUALLY PROTECT AGAINST VIOLENCE.
AND THEY'RE MISUNDERSTANDING WHAT'S ACTUALLY GOING ON AND SAYING IT'S SOMETHING THAT IT ISN'T.
BECAUSE SOMETIMES WHEN PEOPLE WANT TO HEAR SOMETHING, THAT'S WHAT THEY HEAR INSTEAD OF ACTUALLY LISTENING TO WHAT'S GOING ON AND UNDERSTANDING WHAT YOU GUYS ARE TRYING TO DO.
SO TO ME, WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING IS THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE WANT VIOLENT CRIMINALS TO RUN RAMPANT AND HAVE NOTHING BE DONE ABOUT IT 'CAUSE OF THE COLOR OF THEIR SKIN, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE WHITE, BLACK, ASIAN, YOU NAME IT, THEY'RE ALL COLORS.
SO IT'S VERY SAD TO SEE THAT THERE'S SO MANY PEOPLE THAT WOULD PREFER A CHILD TO BE RAPED OR, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER.
BUT LIKE, WHY SHOULD WE GO AFTER THEM AND REMOVE THEM FROM OUR COUNTRY, ESPECIALLY IF THEY CAME HERE ILLEGALLY.
BUT YOU GUYS WILL LOSE YOUR FEDERAL FUNDING IF YOU GO AND TRY AND OBSTRUCT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT FROM BEING ABLE TO DO THEIR JOB, WHICH WOULD ACTUALLY IMPEDE THIS CITY AND HINDER ITS ABILITY TO DO THE THINGS THAT IT NEEDS TO DO.
SO IT'S A SURPRISE AND A WONDER WHY PEOPLE THAT WANT MORE MONEY TO COME IN DON'T WANNA ACTUALLY GET IN THE WAY OF THAT HAPPENING.
SO GOOD FOR YOU GUYS FOR DOING AND TRYING TO STAND UP FOR WHAT'S RIGHT AND ACTUALLY PROTECT THE PEOPLE.
BUT I GUARANTEE YOU THERE'S TWO OF YOU ON HERE THAT DON'T WANNA PROTECT THE PEOPLE BECAUSE YOU ARE CONFUSED ABOUT WHAT THIS MEANS AND, AND THAT IF ANYTHING HAPPENS TO ANYBODY, IT'S YOUR GUYS' FAULT AND YOU'RE COMPLICIT AND CULPABLE IN IT.
ALRIGHT, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, I'M, I'M WATCHING THE TIME.
MY NAME'S AMY RECHART AND I'M WITH RESTORE SAN DIEGO.
AND EVERYBODY THAT'S HERE THAT WE ASK TO BE HERE IS FOR ONE REASON AND ONE REASON ONLY.
WE DON'T WANT VIOLENT CRIMINALS IN OUR COMMUNITY.
WE SHOULD NOT BE CALLED ANTI-CHRISTIAN OR RACIST.
THERE WAS AN EARLIER SPEAKER WHO REFERENCED THAT ACTUALLY THE, THE NUMBER OF VIOLENT CRIMINALS PRESIDENT IN THE UNITED STATES THAT HAVE, UH, COME HERE ILLEGALLY IS ONLY 270,000.
WELL, THAT'S 270,000 TOO MANY.
SO I WANNA SAY THANK YOU SO MUCH, STEVE.
IN PARTICULAR, I WANNA SAY THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR RECONSIDERING THIS AND BRINGING THIS AGAIN BECAUSE THE COMMUNITY SUPPORTS YOU AND, AND REGARDLESS OF THE RHETORIC ON EACH SIDE AND THE ACCUSATIONS OF OF RACISM, AND YOU'RE NOT BEING A CHRISTIAN, I THINK WE CAN ALL COME TOGETHER AND SAY WE DON'T WANT VIOLENT CRIMINALS IN EL CAJON.
NEXT SPEAKERS, MARY DAVIS, BEN GOOD, AND CARLOS GOMEZ PEREZ.
HI, UH, GOOD AFTERNOON MARY DAVIS.
SO, UH, FIRST OF ALL, I DO HAVE TO TOUCH ON WHAT AUDRA MENTIONED AND UM, I DO TRY TO ALWAYS SPEAK, UH, IN PUBLIC WITH A GENTLE ANSWER.
BUT, UM, COUNCILWOMAN MITCHELL, I WAS VERY DISTURBED.
UH, I KNOW YOU HAD YOUR VIRAL MOMENT AND YOU TALKED ABOUT THE FEAR OF BEING MADE TO LOOK LIKE A RACIST.
BUT ENFORCING OUR LAWS AND KEEPING RESIDENTS SAFE ISN'T RACIST.
IT'S CALLED UPHOLDING YOUR OATH OF OFFICE.
AND SO I ALSO, UH, HAVE TO TOUCH ON LEGAL IMMIGRATION AND I WOULD SAY EVERYBODY IN THIS ROOM IS ABSOLUTELY FOR LEGAL IMMIGRATION.
I WAS JUST DOWN AT SAN YSIDRO THE OTHER DAY.
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A BUS.SO THERE WAS A LINE OF WHAT YOU CALL MILITARY AGE MEN, 18 TO 40.
AND I WAS KIND OF CONCERNED AT FIRST, AND THEY'RE ALL LINED UP FOR THIS BUS.
WELL, IT TURNS OUT WHEN I DID MY RESEARCH, THEY'RE HERE FOR A LEGAL VISA IMMIGRATION UNDER H TWO.
UM, IT'S A RECRUITING FOR AGRICULTURE THOUGH.
THAT'S THE TYPE OF LEGAL IMMIGRATION THAT ALMOST EVERYBODY, I WOULD SAY IN THIS ROOM IS ABSOLUTELY FOR.
WE WANT PEOPLE THAT ARE GONNA COME HERE, WORK HARD, OBEY THE LAW.
THAT SAID, UM, LASTLY, I DO WANNA TOUCH ON, UH, ONE OF MY SEATMATES NEXT TO ME KEPT TALKING ABOUT KIDS IN CAGES.
AND, UM, AND I GET THAT THAT'S A THING BECAUSE IT ACTUALLY HA HAPPENED UNDER OBAMA ALSO.
BUT I'M GOING TO, UH, CALL YOUR KIDS IN CAGES TROPE AND I'M GOING TO RAISE YOU KIDS IN COFFINS.
THESE ARE THE THREE GIRLS THAT WERE KILLED IN SACRAMENTO DIRECTLY BECAUSE OF SB 54.
THE FATHER WAS ARRESTED FOR A VIOLENT OFFENSE, RESISTING ARREST, AND THAT THEY LET HIM GO.
A WEEK LATER, HE KILLED THESE THREE GIRLS IN A CHURCH I MIGHT ADD, WHERE ONE OF THE SIGNS SAYS NO ICE IN CHURCH.
AND SO THERE IS COLLATERAL DAMAGE.
IT'S A MATTER OF WHO PAYS THE PRICE.
ANYBODY THAT HONORS SB 54 IS COMPLICIT AND HAS GRAS LOSANO.
SO ULTIMATELY YOUR JOB IS TO, YOU'RE CLAIMING PUBLIC SAFETY, CORRECT? AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOU WANT TO KEEP EL CAJON SAFE.
THAT MEANS THE CONSTITUENTS AND THE SAME MANNER YOUR, UM, YOUR, UM, YOUR MEMBERS RIGHT THERE.
SO THAT BEING SAID, I STAND FOR YOU TODAY TO ADDRESS THE CRUCIAL CONCERNT REGARDING THE UPCOMING RE TRADITIONAL BILL THAT COULD BE PROFOUNDLY AFFECT OUR COMMUNITY.
'CAUSE IT WILL AFFECT OUR COMMUNITY IN NOT IN A POSITIVE MANNER.
SO THIS LAST COUNCIL MEETING, THAT THE PEOPLE THAT VOTED AGAINST IT HAVE BEEN HARASSED BECAUSE OF PE BECAUSE THEY KNOW THEY OPPOSE YOUR BILL.
HOWEVER, IT'S IMPORTANT TO RECOGNIZE THAT CON THE CONTEXT OF THIS DECISION WERE BEING MADE, IF THE BILLS WERE INTRODUCED AND PASSES, WE MUST CONSIDER THE POSSIBILITY THAT THOSE VOTERS, THOSE VOTES WERE NOT ENTIRELY MADE BY FREE WILL.
INSTEAD, THEY HAVE BEEN INFLUENCED BY HARASSMENT, INTIMIDATION.
THESE COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE ENDURED A DECISION MADE UNDER THE REST 'CAUSE IT IS UNDER DURES.
'CAUSE YOU'RE FEARFUL FOR YOUR LIFE.
THEY KNOW WHERE YOU LIVE THAT IS NOT, DOES NOT REFLECT GENUINE SUPPORT OR THEIR FORM.
IT'S PRODUCT OF EXTERNAL PRESSURE THAT IS TOWARDS THE INTEGRITY OF THE DECISION MAKING PROCESS.
THE COUNCIL'S RULE THAT YOUR COUNCIL RULE IS TO SERVE THE PUBLIC, MAKE INFORMED DECISIONS, AND UPHOLD JUSTICE AND LAW.
LIKE I SAID LAST TIME, I DIDN'T THINK I WAS GONNA HAVE TO BE DOING THIS BACK HERE STATESIDE.
SO IF YOU'RE CHANGED YOUR MIND ON AFTER TWO WEEKS OF TALKING TO EACH OTHER, IT IS NOT OUT OF THE WOO GOODNESS OF YOUR HEART.
IT IS NOT BECAUSE YOU CARE ABOUT PUBLIC SAFETY.
IT'S BECAUSE MAYOR, YOU'RE TRYING TO GET YOUR CAREER STEPS GOING.
AND PLEASE WAIT, WAIT TILL WE FINISH SPEAKING SO WE CAN HEAR EACH OTHER.
WE SUPPORT EACH OTHER, BUT LET'S WAIT TILL THE FINISH SPEAKING SO WE CAN GO AHEAD AND CLAP AS LOUD AS WE WANT.
THAT BEING SAID, DO NOT PASS A REFORM.
IT WILL NOT BE GOOD FOR THE CITY.
IT WILL NOT BE GOOD FOR CONSTITUENTS.
AND NO, WE DON'T WANT CRIMINALS IN THIS, IN THE CITY.
AFTER MR. GOODE, WE HAVE KAYLEE, UH, JARAD, KIRSTEN JARAD AND LUCAS JARAD GENTLEMEN, MA'AM, UH, TWO WEEKS AGO, WE GOT IT WRONG.
UM, AND I, I WANNA THANK MR. GOBEL.
I KNOW YOU TOOK A LOT OF EMAILS.
I KNOW YOU TOOK SOME FROM A REALLY SMART LADY NAMED TRINA GOODE.
AND, UM, WE'RE BOTH IN OVER OUR SKIS ON HER.
UH, THAT'S GONNA BE A COMPLETELY INTELLECTUAL, UH, INTELLIGENT, PRECISE THING THAT'S GONNA COME OUT OF HER OUT OF LOVE.
UH, SHE TEACHES AT A VERY HISPANIC SCHOOL, HAS FOR OVER 20 YEARS.
SHE DRIVES ONE HOUR EVERY DAY TO TEACH THOSE KIDS.
AND SHE LOVES THOSE KIDS AND SHE'LL PROTECT THEM AGAINST ANYTHING.
AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE'RE GETTING INTO RIGHT NOW IS A PROTECTION SITUATION.
AND SO I THANK YOU FOR, FOR, FOR FILLING THOSE EMAILS.
AND SHE SERIOUSLY RESPECTS THE FACT THAT YOU TOOK THE TIME OUTTA YOUR DAY TO THOUGHTFULLY RESPOND TO HER.
AND IT WASN'T HARASSMENT, IT WAS JUST A PROCESS THAT YOU PARTICIPATED IN.
EARLIER TODAY, I SAT THERE AND I WAS, MY, MY JAW KIND OF DROPPED A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE I'M GONNA QUOTE YOU, THE PRIMARILY PURPOSE OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT IS TO PROTECT THE CITIZENS.
AND THAT'S ALL WE'RE ASKING YOU TO DO RIGHT NOW IS PROTECT THE CITIZENS.
I'VE LITERALLY WATCHED HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE COME FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD.
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PEOPLE WHO WERE BORN HERE WHO HAVE A BIRTHRIGHT.AS WE WERE HEARD EARLIER TODAY, I HAVE PERSONALLY SEEN THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD INTRODUCED INTO OUR SYSTEM IN THE LAST THREE AND A HALF YEARS.
I'VE WATCHED THE BUSES GO BY MY HOUSE, BY NUMBERS.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HUNDREDS OF BUSES IN A WEEK, 24 HOURS A DAY, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK, THREE YEARS.
WE DO NOT KNOW WHO THOSE PEOPLE ARE, AND WE NEED TO PROTECT THOSE STUDENTS THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, THOSE KIDS.
I THINK WE HAVE THE SAME HEART.
THE PROBLEM IS WE HAVE TO STAND UP TO IT NOW AND WE HAVE TO FIX SOMETHING THAT SOMEBODY ELSE CAUSED THIS.
AND IT'S A REALLY UNCOMFORTABLE PLACE FOR EVERYBODY, BUT WE STILL HAVE TO FIX IT.
I BEG YOU TO FOLLOW THROUGH ON WHAT YOU SAID EARLIER TODAY AND PROTECT THE CITIZENS.
UM, I WANT YOU TO VOTE NO ON THE RESOLUTION.
UM, I THINK WE, WE HAVE REALLY SERIOUS DUE PROCESS CONCERNS, UM, IN, IN LIGHT OF THE, UH, LAKE AND RILEY ACT THAT WAS PASSED TWO WEEKS AGO.
UM, SO BASICALLY, UM, I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF MISCONCEPTIONS ABOUT HOW THIS RESOLUTION WORKS.
LIKE, UH, IF YOU VOTE NO ON THIS RESOLUTION, IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT ICE ISN'T ABLE TO OPERATE IN EL CAJON.
UM, IT DOESN'T TAKE AWAY THE ABILITY TO, UH, OF ICE TO ARREST PEOPLE WHO, OR TO, TO, UH, YEAH, TO, TO ARREST PEOPLE WHO THEY KNOW HAVE COMMITTED CRIMES.
UM, BUT, UH, UM, BASED ON THE LAKE AND RILEY, UH, ACT, UH, WHICH WAS PASSED BY CONGRESS, UM, THE ICE, WHEN PEOPLE, IF OUR POLICE COLLABORATE WITH ICE, UM, AND THEY TURN PEOPLE OVER WHO HAVEN'T BEEN ARRESTED OR WHO HAVE, SORRY, WHO HAVE NOT BEEN CONVICTED OF CRIMES, UM, UH, ICE IS REQUIRED JUST BASED ON AN ACCUSATION AND NOT BASED ON A CONVICTION TO DETAIN, DETAIN PEOPLE INDEFINITELY.
AND THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO, UH, DEPORT PEOPLE TO, UH, THE GUANTANAMO BAY PRISON FACILITY BASED ON JUST, UH, ACCUSATIONS OF, UM, OF HAVING COMMITTED VIOLENT CRIMES.
LIKE THEY DON'T ACTUALLY REQUIRE ANY PROOF OR ANY TRIAL.
AND SO WE THINK THIS IS A REALLY SERIOUS DUE PROCESS ISSUE.
UM, WE THINK THAT IT'S THE OBLIGATION OF ALL GOVERNMENT, BUT OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT TO RESPECT THE, THE BASIC PRINCIPLE OF DUE PROCESS AND, UH, NOT ALLOW ELON RESIDENTS TO, UM, UH, TO BE, UH, CAPTURED BY ICE OR TO BE CAPTURED BY POLICE ON, ON FOR LIKE, UH, AS GOBEL SAID, UM, FOR JUST, UH, UH, SPEEDING FOR SOMETHING THAT IS NONVIOLENT, FOR RUNNING THROUGH A RED LIGHT.
UM, THEN BE TURNED OVER TO ICE AND, UH, ON THAT BASIS, BE PUNISHED AS THOUGH YOU HAD COMMITTED A MURDER OR A VIOLENT CRIME BECAUSE INDEFINITE DETENTION.
UM, UH, UH, YEAH, I THINK, UH, SORRY.
UH, YEAH, WE, I I THINK WE, WE THINK THIS IS A, A REAL PROBLEM FOR DUE PROCESS.
AND I, I THINK YOU GUYS ARE OBLIGATED TO VOTE NO ON THIS RESOLUTION, UH, TO PREVENT THIS SORT OF, UH, ABUSE.
UM, PLEASE DON'T PASS THIS RESOLUTION THAT WILL ALLOW THE POLICE TO CAPTURE EL CAJON RESIDENTS AND TURN THEM OVER TO ICE.
WHO, WITH MERELY AN ACCUSATION AND NO TRIAL CAN DETAIN THEM INDEFINITELY, INCLUDING SENDING THEM TO GUANTANAMO BAY, THE INFAMOUS BLACK SITE WHERE THE CONSTITUTIONAL PROTECTIONS ARE NOT APPLIED UNDER THE HORRIFYINGLY UNCONSTITUTIONAL LAKE AND RILEY ACT.
ANY UNDOCUMENTED MIGRANT ACCUSED NOT CONVICTED CAN BE PERMANENTLY HELD IN A FOREIGN LABOR CAMP OVER A LOW LEVEL CRIME LIKE SHOPLIFTING.
MAKE NO MISTAKE, THIS IS ALREADY HAPPENING.
RECENTLY, ANDRIS IN GITMO WAS CONVICTED IN THE US COURT.
IF YOU WANNA DEPORT, THE HANDFUL OF PEOPLE TRIED AND FOUND GUILTY OF NONVIOLENT CRIMES, FINE, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SENDING ALCOHOL RESIDENTS TO FOREIGN CONCENTRATION CAMPS WITHOUT TRIAL.
TRUMP RECENTLY GAVE THE OKAY ON SENDING MIGRANTS TO PRISONS IN EL SALVADOR WHERE PEOPLE WORKED 15 HOURS A DAY AND OFTEN DIE FROM LACK OF WATER AND DISEASE.
UH, DHS SECRETARY CHRISTIAN REFUSES TO EVEN PRETEND THAT THESE CAMPS WERE, WERE ONLY CONTAINED VIOLENT CRIMINALS.
THIS IS JUST THE START OF THE WARRIOR.
IS THIS WHAT WE WANNA DO TO OUR NEIGHBORS? TO THE PEOPLE DOWN THE STREET WHO HAVE BEEN LIVING PEACEFULLY FOR DECADES AND WHO UNDER ANY OTHER ADMINISTRATION WOULD'VE CONTINUED TO DO SO? THE STAKE ARE SO MUCH HIGHER NOW THAT THE LAKE AND RILEY, NO DUE PROCESS FOR MIGRANTS BUREAU HAS BEEN PASSED.
THEY WANT TO PUNISH PEOPLE AS SEVERELY AS THOUGH THEY'VE COMMITTED A MURDER, BUT WITHOUT ANY TRIAL, ANY INVESTIGATION, ANY ABILITY TO CONFRONT THEIR ACCUSER IN COURT.
UM, THEY DON'T GET THEIR DAY IN COURT.
THEY GET HELD INDEFINITELY IN CAMPS, IN SERVICE OF A RACIAL GOAL TO MAKE THIS COUNTRY MORE WHITE.
THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION WANTS TO BOARD 20 MILLION PEOPLE.
UM, BUT WE WON'T HAVE 20 MILLION CONVICTIONS.
THERE'RE GONNA BE 20 MILLION PEOPLE GRABBED AT CHURCHES AND SCHOOLS AND ROUNDED UP ON THEIR WAY TO WORK.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO FORGET WHAT YOU DO HERE.
WE'LL BE GRATEFUL IF YOU PROTECT OUR COMMUNITY, AND WE'LL BE FURIOUS IF YOU DESTROY IT
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AFTER, AFTER MS UH, UH, JARAD, WE HAVE JULIANNE GUSTAFSON, CLIFTON QUINN, AND KRISTEN BROKER.MY NAME IS, MY NAME IS KIRSTEN JARAD.
THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.
EACH OF YOU TOOK AN OATH TO SUPPORT THE US CONSTITUTION.
MAYOR WELLS WANTS TO COLLUDE WITH THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION'S EFFORTS TO DEPORT 20 MILLION PEOPLE THROUGH THE LAKE AND RILEY ACT, WHICH MANDATES THAT UNDOCUMENTED INDIVIDUALS BE DEPORTED OR TRANSFERRED TO FOREIGN PRISONS AND WORK CAMPS WHERE THEY'LL BE DENIED THE PROTECTION OF THE FIFTH AMENDMENT.
THE RIGHT TO BE FREE FROM SELF-INCRIMINATION.
THE SIXTH AMENDMENT, THE RIGHT TO THE RIGHT TO COUNSEL A SPEEDY TRIAL, AN IMPARTIAL JURY, THE RIGHT TO BE CHARGED WITH THE CRIME AND THE RIGHT TO CONFRONT WITNESSES.
THE EIGHTH AMENDMENT, THE RIGHT TO BE FREE FROM CRUEL AND UNUSUAL PUNISHMENT.
AND THE 14TH AMENDMENT, THE RIGHT TO DUE PROCESS, EQUAL PROTECTION, AND THE PRESUMPTION OF INNOCENCE.
THE LAKE AND RILEY ACT ONLY REQUIRES THAT SOMEONE BE ACCUSED OF A CRIME.
THERE'S NO BURDEN OF PROOF, THERE'S NO TRIAL.
THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THE 14TH AMENDMENT.
DUE PROCESS REQUIRES THE, SORRY.
THE 14TH AMENDMENT REQUIRES DUE PROCESS AND EQUAL PROTECTION BEFORE SOMEONE'S RIGHTS ARE REMOVED.
THE CONSTITUTION APPLIES EQUALLY TO CITIZENS AND NON-CITIZENS IN THE US, WHICH IS WHY TRUMP WANTS TO MOVE PEOPLE TO FOREIGN SOIL SO THEY HAVE NO RIGHTS.
MAYOR WELLS HAS FABRICATED LEGAL ISSUE CLAIMING THAT CAJON MUST COOPERATE WITH THE FEDS TO DEPORT PEOPLE USING LOCAL POLICE.
BUT THAT'S NOT HOW OUR GOVERNMENT WORKS.
WE HAVE A SYSTEM CALLED FEDERALISM UNDER THE 10TH AMENDMENT AND THE SUPREME COURT PRECEDENT, POLICE POWERS BELONG SOLELY TO THE STATES.
IMMIGRATION BELONGS TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
IT'S FALSE THAT THE EL CA POLICE ARE OBLIGATED TO COOPERATE WITH THE FEDS.
SB 54 STATES THAT NO CALIFORNIA STATE OR LOCAL RESOURCES CAN BE USED TO ASSIST FEDERAL IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT.
CALIFORNIA HAS AN ABSOLUTE RIGHT TO MAKE AND ENFORCE THIS LAW AS ELECTED OFFICIALS SWORN TO UPHOLD THE CONSTITUTION.
IT WOULD BE A DERELICTION OF YOUR DUTY TO VOTE FOR THIS RESOLUTION.
IF YOU EVER WONDER WHAT YOU WOULD DO IN A COUNTRY THAT WAS SLIDING INTO FASCISM, ASK YOURSELF, WHAT ARE YOU DOING RIGHT NOW? MUCH HISTORY WILL JUDGE YOU.
HI, MY NAME'S CLIFTON QUINN, AND I AM SO IMPRESSED BY THE PASSION I'M SEEING IN THIS ROOM ON BOTH SIDES.
SERIOUSLY, THIS IS THE AMERICAN WAY, AND I APPRECIATE YOUR ATTENTION.
I'VE SPOKE AT THE COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WHEN THEY WERE BUSY ON THEIR EMAIL, SO THANK YOU FOR DOING THIS.
MY WIFE IS AN IMMIGRANT, AND I'VE NEVER HEARD ONE PERSON HERE SPEAK ANYTHING AGAINST IMMIGRANTS.
OKAY? THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS IS ABOUT, RIGHT? I I TRULY WONDER IF WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE SAME RESOLUTION.
I READ A SIMPLE RESOLUTION, WHICH TO ME, WELL, I'VE LEARNED NOT TO NECESSARILY TRUST BIG GOVERNMENT, BUT I HAVE LEARNED TO TRUST BILL WELLS.
I'VE MET HIM SEVERAL TIMES AND HAS HEARD HIM SPEAK ON MANY OCCASIONS.
AND I TRUST, I TRUST WHERE BILL'S COMING FROM.
SO I BELIEVE THIS, IF WE DO NOT PASS THIS, IF YOU DO NOT PASS THIS RESOLUTION, I'VE HEARD FROM TOM HAM AND HEARD OF THE GUYS AT ICE, AND THEY'RE GONNA BE AIRING IN AND NARROWING IN ON PLACES THAT, THAT SAY THEY WANT TO BE A SANCTUARY CITY OR WANT TO GROW UP AGAINST ICE.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S A BATTLE WE WANNA FIGHT.
SO TO ME, IT'S AN ABSOLUTE NO BRAINER TO DO WHAT IT SAYS.
SOLE PURPOSE OF REMOVING VIOLENT CRIMINALS, NOT IMMIGRANTS, VIOLENT CRIMINALS.
AFTER MS. BROKER, WE HAVE CHRIS FORD, DEBBIE CLAUDE COD, AND SHERRY FINN.
UM, MY NAME IS KRISTEN BROKER.
UH, I AM THE SPOUSE OF A NAVY VETERAN OF 30 YEARS.
AND, UM, WE STARTED OUR SERVICE TO THE MILITARY HERE IN SAN DIEGO.
TRAVELED THE WORLD FOUR CORNERS OF THE UNITED STATES AND, AND FINALIZED HERE AND CAME BACK TO A WONDERFUL CITY, UM, SEVERAL YEARS AGO AFTER MY HUSBAND'S RETIREMENT OF 30 YEARS.
UM, MR. WELLS, I WANNA TELL YOU, YOU ARE, UH, QUITE A CELEBRITY FROM OUR PEERS IN THE MILITARY WHO ARE LIVING ELSEWHERE WHEN THEY, YOU MADE NATIONAL NEWS AND MADE THE BOLD STANCE TO BRING THIS RESOLUTION TO YOUR CITY TO PROTECT YOUR CITIZENS.
UM, FOR THAT, I COMMEND YOU AND YOUR BOARD FOR ENTERTAINING IT AND LETTING US AS
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CITIZENS COME AND BE A PART OF THE PROCESS.UM, I SPEAK FROM, UH, ONLY EXPERIENCE AS A FORMER FEDERAL CORRECTIONS EMPLOYEE.
AND SO MY EXPERIENCE IS WHEN A VIOLENT CRIMINAL COMES INTO THE CUSTODY OF ANY FACILITY, PENAL SYSTEM, A BACKGROUND CHECK THAT IS NATIONALIZED IS DONE ON THAT INDIVIDUAL.
IF THERE IS A DETAINER PLACED ON THAT INDIVIDUAL, IT WOULD BE DERELICT OF MY DUTY AS A FEDERAL EMPLOYEE OF A CORRECTIONAL SYSTEM TO RELEASE THEM WITHOUT CHECKING WITH THE AGENCY TO SEE IF THEY WANNA COME AND GET THAT INDIVIDUAL FOR FURTHER PROCESS.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CRIMINALS THAT ARE VIOLENT, WHETHER THEIR STATUS IS LEGAL OR ILLEGAL.
DOESN'T MATTER IF I RELEASE THEM INTO THE COMMUNITY.
HELLO, MY NAME IS CHRIS FORD, DISTRICT ONE.
WHY ARE WE ALL HERE AGAIN? WHY ARE YOU WASTING OUR TIME? AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, DID YOU TAKE ANY NOTES FROM THE LAST SESSION REGARDING THIS TOPIC? THIS AND EVERY VERSION OF THIS RESOLUTION HAS BEEN OPPOSED BY A VOCAL MAJORITY OF THE COMMUNITY.
NOT ONLY IS IT WHOLLY UNPOPULAR AND DANGEROUS, IT DOESN'T EVEN MAKE SENSE.
YOU HAVE SPENT NEARLY TWO MONTHS CORRESPONDING WITH THE CALIFORNIA ATTORNEY GENERAL BECAUSE OF THE LEGAL QUESTION.
AT THE CORE OF THIS RESOLUTION, YOU'VE SPENT FIVE HOURS WITH THE REST OF US LAST TIME GOING BACK AND FORTH ON IT, AND YOU SPENT NO WHO KNOWS HOW MUCH TIME TALKING BEHIND CLOSED DOORS, DISCUSSING AMONGST YOURSELVES.
AND STILL, YOU DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER AS TO THE POTENTIAL LEGAL CONFLICTS BETWEEN STATE AND FEDERAL LAW.
YET STILL, YOU WANT TO PUT THIS WEIRD STATEMENT OF PSEUDO ACTION ON THE BOOKS WHILE SEEMINGLY ADMITTING IT COULD LAND THE CITY IN LEGAL HOT WATER.
THE NEXT FOUR YEARS IS GOING TO BE NOTHING BUT POTENTIAL CONFLICTS BETWEEN THE ADVERSARIAL TRUMP ADMINISTRATION AND THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA.
ARE YOU GOING TO PUT OUT A RESOLUTION EVERY TIME THAT HAPPENS? HOW OFTEN DO YOU PLAN TO RISK OUR CITY BECOMING PUBLICLY LIABLE WHEN INSTEAD, YOU COULD JUST BE FOCUSING ON YOUR JOB? YOUR JOB IS NOT TO EMBROIL US IN LEGAL CONFLICTS.
YOUR JOB IS TO BE STEWARDS OF THE PEOPLE OF THIS CITY, BOTH RESIDENT AND NON-RESIDENT ALIKE.
YOU SAY THIS IS ABOUT PUBLIC SAFETY.
WHILE THERE'S NOTHING STOPPING OUR POLICE FROM DEALING WITH ALLEGEDLY VIOLENT CRIMINALS, BOTH DOCUMENTED AND UNDOCUMENTED, ADDITIONALLY, SB 54 ALREADY ALLOWS THEM AT THEIR DISCRETION TO TRANSFER VIOLENT OFFENDERS IF A JUDICIAL WARRANT IS PRESENTED BY ICE.
SO WHERE DOES YOUR CONFUSION LIE? I DON'T THINK YOU'RE CONFUSED.
I DON'T THINK YOU'RE CONFUSED.
I THINK THIS RESOLUTION JUST HATES SANCTUARY CITIES.
YOU SHOULDN'T BE WORRIED ABOUT SANCTUARY CITIES.
YOU SHOULD BE WORRIED ABOUT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT SINCE THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION ISSUED QUOTAS TO ICE THERE, HAVING REPORTS OF QUESTIONING OR DETAINMENT OF AMERICAN CITIZENS, VETERANS, INDIGENOUS PEOPLE, AND HUMAN BEINGS WHOSE ONLY CRIME HAS BEEN CROSSING THE BORDER, WHO WANTS THAT IN THEIR COMMUNITY? STOP PUTTING MY NEIGHBORS AT RISK.
KILL THIS RESOLUTION AND LEAVE IT DEAD.
AND THANK YOU FOR LETTING US COME.
UM, I WANT TO, OH, MY NAME'S DEBBIE CONNELL AND I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT FOR OVER 45 YEARS RAISING MY CHILDREN HERE.
UH, I WANNA SUPPORT MAYOR BILL WELLS, STEVE GOBEL, FILL AUTHORITIES, ANYBODY ELSE THAT REALLY WANTS TO BE BEHIND THIS RECOMMENDATION IN DECLARING THE CITY'S COMMITMENT TO ENSURE PUBLIC SAFETY FOR ALL RESIDENTS, NOT JUST DIFFERENT COLORS, BUT ALL RESIDENTS.
ASSERTING THE CITY'S INTENT TO COMPLY WITH FEDERAL AND IMMIGRATION LAW COMPLYING I'M ALL FOR COMPLYING EXTENT, PERMISSIBLE OF THE SOLE PURPOSE OF REMOVING VIOLENT CRIMINALS FROM OUR COMMUNITY.
THAT'S ALL WE WE ASK FOR, TO REMOVE THE VIOLENT CRIMINALS.
UM, EVEN LESS THAN 10 ILLEGALS WOULD NOT BE ACCEPTABLE AND SHOULD NOT BE TOLERATED BECAUSE OF SAFETY LIFE OR MORE IMPORTANT SHOWING ONE'S ID LEGAL STATUS.
I MEAN, THAT'S THE LEAST WE CAN DO.
JUST SHOW OUR ID, SHOW OUR LEGAL STATUS TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S SOME SAFETY IN OUR COMMUNITY.
PLEASE PASS THIS RESOLUTION AND UPHOLD YOUR OATH OF OFFICE.
AFTER MS. FINN, WE HAVE TRUTH.
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MANY PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM, I HIGHLY DOUBT THERE'S ONE PERSON IN THIS ROOM THAT CAN RAISE THEIR HAND AND SAY THAT THEIR CHILD WAS RAPED AND TRAFFICKED BY AN ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT WHO IS SITTING IN THE COMFORT OF ONE OF OUR PRISONS RIGHT NOW.I AM ASKING YOU TO PASS THIS RESOLUTION BECAUSE, WELL, THERE'S MANY REASONS.
BUT RATHER THAN GOING OUT AND SPEWING HATE, WHAT MY HUSBAND AND I DID IN AN ATTEMPT TO HEAL WAS CREATE AN ORGANIZATION THAT RECOVERS MISSING AND EXPLOITED CHILDREN.
AND MANY OF YOU UP THERE KNOW THAT WE ARE OFTEN FACED WITH LAY PERSONS, OURSELVES AND OUR VOLUNTEERS PULLING CHILDREN OUT OF TENTS FROM SEX OFFENDERS AND TRAFFICKERS, AND HAVING LAW ENFORCEMENT SHOWED UP WITH THEIR HANDS TIED.
NOT, BUT FOUR MONTHS AGO, MAYBE FOUR AND A HALF MONTHS AGO, MY HUSBAND AND I PULLED A FOSTER YOUTH WHO HAD BEEN PULLED OUT OF TRAFFICKING SIX SEPARATE TIMES.
MY HUSBAND AND I PULLED HER OUT OF THAT TENT DOWN ON EIGHTH AND E WHILE SAN DIEGO PD STOOD BY TO SUPPORT JUST TO MAKE SURE WE DIDN'T GET HURT.
THE TRAFFICKER WAS NOT ARRESTED, BUT THE FOSTER YOUTH WAS TAKEN AWAY IN HANDCUFFS.
GRANTED IT WAS FOR HER PROTECTION.
THEY SAY OUR SYSTEM IS SO BROKEN, EXCUSE ME, ON SO MANY LEVELS, THERE'S A LOT MORE WORK TO BE DONE.
BUT RIGHT NOW, THIS IS ONE STEP TO HELP OUR OFFICERS WHEN IT COMES TO VIOLENT CRIMINALS AND GETTING THEM OFF OF OUR STREETS, PERIOD.
AND OUR OFFICERS NEED TO BE EMPOWERED TO DO THEIR JOB.
AND THIS IS JUST THE BEGINNING.
THIS IS JUST ONE ISSUE WHERE THEY NEED TO BE EMPOWERED.
TRAFFICKERS ARE STILL REMAINING ON THE STREETS BECAUSE OFFICERS CAN'T ARREST THEM BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T SEE A PHYSICAL EXCHANGE OF MONEY.
I AGREE THAT THE CITY SHOULD DECLARE ITSELF NOT A SANCTUARY CITY, AND THAT IT WILL NOT OBSTRUCT, IMPEDE, INTERFERE OR BLOCK ANY FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY FROM ITS DUTIES.
THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THE CITY ASKING THE UNITED STATES ATTORNEY GENERAL TO INDEMNIFY THE CITY FOR FOLLOWING A FEDERAL IMMIGRATION LAW BY AIDING IN THE REMOVAL OF VIOLENT CRIMINALS.
AND I ACTUALLY ALREADY HEARD THE PERSPECTIVE ARGUMENT TODAY AT THE COUNTY MEETING, THAT THERE'S OTHER ISSUES TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT IN THE CITY.
BUT I ASK, IS THERE A MORE IMPORTANT ISSUE THAN SAFETY? I DON'T THINK SO.
BUT IF THIS RESOLUTION WERE TO PASS, IT MUST ALSO BE SENT TO THE COUNTY SINCE THEY ACTIVELY PUSHED FOR A SANCTUARY CITY.
AND I KNOW SOME PEOPLE DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHEN PHIL BROUGHT THAT FACT UP, BUT THAT'S ACTUALLY PART OF HOW WE GOT HERE.
SUPERVISORS, NORA VARGAS, MONICA MONTGOMERY SPP, AND TARA LAWSON REAMER ALL VOTED YES TO ALLOW VIOLENT CRIMINALS TO WALK FREE AMONG US, WHICH IS ACTUALLY AGAINST STATE LAW.
LAST MEETING, SOME SPEAKERS WENT AS LOW BALL AND ARGUMENT AS TO REFER TO THE RESOLUTION AS NAZIM.
WELL, I ACTUALLY FOUND STEVE AND GARY'S NARROW-MINDED VIEW OF IMMIGRANTS AS MERE CHIEF LABOR TO ALSO BE A NAZI LIKE ARGUMENT WITH THE JEWS IN THE CAMPS.
ALL NOT ALSO MERE CHIEF LABOR TO THEIR DICTATORS.
MICHELLE'S PAST ARGUMENT INCLUDED, WE DON'T NEED THIS ATTENTION YET.
THE CIRCUS IS SOMETHING THAT YOU ACTUALLY PERSONALLY BROUGHT.
AND EVERYBODY SAW IT ON THE NEWS.
IT WAS EMBARRASSING BILL SAID ON NBC SEVEN THAT HE MET WITH TOM HOLMAN.
SO WHAT WAS TOM'S OR TRUMP'S STATEMENT ON LEGAL PERMISSIBILITY OF FOLLOWING FEDERAL IMMIGRATION LAW? UH, PLEASE SHARE WITH THE CLASS BECAUSE SB 54 MAY NOT EVEN BE LAWFUL UNDER THE NATIONAL CONSTITUTION.
THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT MAY ACTUALLY OPENLY CHALLENGE IT.
THAT WOULD BE THE ALLEGED FEDERALISM AND ACTION.
IF EL CAJON OR ANY CITY GOES AGAINST FEDERAL LAW, THEN IT'S FAIR TO ASK IF WE CAN ALL PICK AND CHOOSE THE FEDERAL LAWS WE DON'T LIKE.
BUT IN THE END, NONE OF THIS MATTERS BECAUSE NOBODY IN THE STATE IS GONNA MAKE THE FINAL DECISION ON IMMIGRATION LAW.
THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT'S GONNA DO WHATEVER THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WANTS TO DO WITH OUR LIVES LIKE THEY'VE BEEN DOING FOR DECADES.
THAT'S THE REALITY WE'RE ALL GONNA HAVE TO DEAL WITH IN THE END.
DO WE HAVE, UH, THE NEXT FIVE? UH, BRENDA HAMMOND, TONY SOLE, LISA GONZALEZ.
UM, SOME PEOPLE THINK THAT JUST BECAUSE I ATTEND AND SPEAK UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT AT LEMON GROVE LA MESA IN EL CAJON AND SOMETIMES SANTEE CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS THAT I
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AGREE WITH AND STICK UP FOR ALL MAYORS AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.UM, TODAY I LISTENED TO THE CONCERNS OF THIS RESOLUTION AT THE NOON MEDIA CIRCUS IN FRONT OF CITY HALL.
I UNDERSTAND THEIR CONCERNS, BUT I ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT THEY ARE BEING MISINFORMED AND INSTIGATED.
ONE IN PARTICULAR IS A DOCTOR OF PSYCHOLOGY.
OH, I HAD TO WALK AWAY WHEN SHE CLAIMS SHE KNEW MORE ABOUT HOMELESS PEOPLE THAN THE MAYOR.
UH, I KNOW MORE ABOUT HOMELESSNESS THAN BOTH OF YOU PUT TOGETHER
AND YOU KNOW WHY AS I LEFT THAT HOT MESS, I MENTIONED THAT THE DOCTOR NEEDS TO GO BACK TO SCHOOL OR BE HOMELESS FOR 15 YEARS HERSELF.
SHE WAS SAYING SOME HORRIBLE THINGS.
UM, A PHD IS NOT, IS A DOCTRINE.
IT ISN'T, DOES NOT MAKE YOU A DOCTOR.
IT'S A LABEL AND NOTHING MORE.
IN MY EXPERIENCE, I HAVE SEEN PHD DOCTORATES, ESPECIALLY IN PSYCHOLOGY, MESS WITH PEOPLE, EVEN GROUPS OF PEOPLE AT A TIME FOR THEIR OWN JOB SECURITY, ESPECIALLY THOSE POP-UP CHURCH MINISTERS THAT CALL THEMSELVES DOCTORS, MAYORS, MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL AND STAFF.
I LIKE THE, I LIKE THE WAY THIS IS WORDED.
UM, THIS RESOLUTION IS WORDED, IT IS CLEAR AND IT PROTECTS THE RESIDENTS HOMELESS OR NOT.
AND THE CITY I RECOMMEND IT PASSES AFTER MS. GONZALEZ.
WE HAVE MAUREEN CRUZ, PATTY HANNON, AND EMELDA BARRANCO.
GOOD AFTERNOON MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL AND FELLOW RESIDENTS OF EL CAJON.
MY NAME'S LISA GONZALEZ AND I'M A TAX LEGAL, TAX PAYING RESIDENT OF OUR CITY.
UNLIKE THOUSANDS OF OTHERS, VOTED TO RENEW MEASURE J TO ENSURE FUNDING FOR VITAL PUBLIC SAFETY SERVICES.
I STAND HERE TODAY IN SUPPORT OF THE SIMPLE BUT ESSENTIAL PRINCIPLE THAT THE INTEREST AND SAFETY OF OUR LEGAL AND TAX PAYING CITIZENS MUST COME FIRST.
I STRONGLY SUPPORT ALLOWING OUR EL CAJON POLICE DEPARTMENT TO COOPERATE WITH FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT, SPECIFICALLY FOR THE PURPOSE OF REMOVING SERIOUS AND VIOLENT OFFENDERS OF OUR COMMUNITY.
AND THIS IS SIMPLY COMMON SENSE.
PUBLIC SAFETY IS NOT A POLITICAL ISSUE.
IT'S A FUNDAMENTAL RESPONSIBILITY OF GOVERNMENT.
AND YET, ACROSS CALIFORNIA, MISGUIDED PRINCIPLES AND POLICIES ARE ALLOWING VIOLENT CRIMINALS TO REMAIN IN OUR COMMUNITIES, PUTTING INNOCENT PEOPLE AT RISK.
CITIES HAVE BEEN PRESSURED TO IGNORE LAWS DESIGNED TO PROTECT THE PUBLIC, CREATING AN ENVIRONMENT WHERE LAWLESSNESS THRIVES AND ACCOUNTABILITY IS ABANDONED.
AND WE SEE THE RESULT RISING CRIME, SHATTERED TRUST, AND A SENSE OF FEAR IN RESIDENTS WHO SIMPLY WANNA LIVE IN SAFE NEIGHBORHOODS.
BY PASSING THIS, IT AFFIRMS OUR COMMITMENT TO PROTECTING LAW ABIDING TAXPAYING CITIZENS, AND ENSURING THAT VIOLENT CRIMINALS ARE HELD ACCOUNTABLE TO THE FULLEST EXTENT OF THE LAW.
SO I URGE THE CITY COUNCIL TO SUPPORT THIS RESOLUTION UNEQUIVOCALLY.
BY DOING SO, YOU WILL SEND A CLEAR MESSAGE THAT EL CAJON WILL ALWAYS PRIORITIZE THE SAFETY OF ITS RESIDENTS AND LEAD THE WAY FOR OTHER CITIES THAT ARE READY TO DO THE SAME.
I'D LIKE TO BEGIN BY THANKING MAYOR WELLS AND THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS FOR ALL YOUR HARD WORK ON TO KEEP EL CAJON A VIBRANT AND GROWING CITY.
UH, I THINK THAT THIS RESOLUTION IS VERY NARROWLY WORDED, SO THAT IT IS TO HELP POLICE OFFICERS BY REMOVING THE CONFUSION THAT THEY CAN COMPLY WITH FEDERAL OFFICERS, UH, FOR RE REMOVING VIOLENT CRIMINALS THAT HELPS OUR MOST VULNERABLE CITIZENS.
RIGHT NOW WE HAVE FENTANYL AND HUMAN TRAFFICKING PROBLEMS HERE IN EL CAJON.
UH, WE NEED SAFETY FOR OUR RESIDENTS AND WE NEED VIOLENT CRIMINALS, UH, TO BE REMOVED, UH, WITH WITHOUT, UH, ANY, ANY CONFUSION AS TO, UH, WHETHER THEY'RE ALLOWED TO BE REMOVED OR NOT.
UH, JESUS AND MATTHEW 1225 SAID, A HOUSE DIVIDED AGAINST ITSELF CANNOT STAND.
ABRAHAM LINCOLN ALSO SAID THAT, UH, QUOTING
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JESUS, UH, WE CAN'T BE DIVIDED AGAINST THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WHEN IT WANTS TO PROVIDE PROTECTION FOR OUR CITIZENS.UH, ALSO THE ONLY THING NECESSARY FOR THE TRIUMPH OF EVIL IS FOR GOOD MEN TO DO NOTHING THAT WAS ATTRIBUTED TO EDMUND BURKE, BUT IT WAS ACTUALLY JOHN LOCKE THAT SAID IT.
LOOKING THE OTHER WAY AND NOT REMOVING VIOLENT, VIOLENT CRIMINALS IS EVIL.
I'D LIKE TO GIVE YOU THE EXAMPLE OF HUNTINGTON BEACH, WHICH IN JANUARY VOTED SEVEN TO ZERO TO COMPLY WITH FEDERAL LAW.
AND THEY SAID THE REASON THAT THEY DID THAT WAS FOR THE SAFETY OF THEIR CITIZENS.
AND THANK YOU, UH, CITY COUNCIL.
UH, THANK YOU MAYOR WELLS AND COMPANY BILL ORTIZ.
GRAHAM MITCHELL, THE CITY MANAGER.
I CALLED, NO, I CALLED YOUR OFFICE.
I HEARD, UM, TWO NIGHTS AGO, PAM BONDY WAS ON THE NEWS SAYING THOSE THAT OUR SANCTUARY CITIES WILL NOT GET ANY FEDERAL AID.
AND I CALLED YOUR OFFICE AND I ASKED, YOU KNOW, ABOUT HOW MUCH ARE WE LOOKING AT? AND THEY SAID, SIX OR $7 MILLION.
AND I'M THINKING, OKAY, WELL I THINK THAT, UM, WHAT ARE THEY GONNA CUT OUT? FIRE DEPARTMENT, POLICE PROTECTION, MEDICAL, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO CUT.
AND I CALLED MY BROTHER, WHO'S A FORMER, UM, CITY MANAGER BECAUSE HE HAS A GOOD HEAD AND HE SAID THEY'RE GONNA TAKE AWAY, UM, VERY IMPORTANT PROGRAMS THAT PEOPLE RELY ON.
AND I THOUGHT, THAT'S NOT GOOD.
SO THIS SANCTUARY CITY ISSUE IS HUGE.
IT'S BIGGER THAN ANY OF US IN HERE, I'M SURE.
AND I, FOR ONE, YOU KNOW, I WANT TO SEE VIOLENT CRIMINALS GO AWAY.
I DON'T WANT THEM IN OUR CITY.
AND I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO SEE A CRISIS, A CRISIS LINE PUT IN THAT PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE THAT MIGHT BE TARGETED WOULD BE ABLE TO CALL AND GET HELP.
IF THEY FEEL LIKE THERE'S BAD COPS AND THERE'S GOOD COPS.
IF THEY FEEL LIKE THE BAD ONES ARE HARASSING THEM, THEN THEY GOT, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN TALK TO A SPA, UH, SPANISH SPEAKER OR WHATEVER AND GET SOME HELP AND GET SOME ATTENTION THAT THEY'RE NOT GONNA JUST BE THROWN TO THE WIND.
I HOPE YOU'VE HAD THE SAME IDEA.
MY NAME IS BARRANCO, AND THIS, UM, EMAIL I SENT YOU, MR. GOBLE.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU RECEIVED IT, BUT I'M GONNA READ IT TO YOU.
UM, FIRST OF ALL, UM, THIS, THIS IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
I GOT INTO THE MIND OF MR. BILL WELLS.
IT'S LIKE KIND OF SAYING HE WROTE THIS EMAIL TO YOU AND THIS IS HOW IT GOES.
HELLO, DEAR FRIEND AND COLLEAGUE STEVE.
I WANT TO PROPOSE A SOLUTION TO KEEP ILLEGAL CRIMINALS OFF THE STREETS.
MY MAIN CONCERN IS THE SAFETY OF OUR RESIDENTS.
MY RESOLUTION WILL ALLOW ICE TO COOPERATE WITH LOCAL LAW EN ENFORCEMENT TO HELP REMOVE DANGEROUS CRIMINALS OFF THE STREETS.
ICE CAN AND HAS BEEN TARGETING INDIVIDUALS THAT HAVE DARK SKIN.
BUT THAT IS NOT A CONCERN FOR ME.
I DON'T MIND THAT THIS RESOLUTION WILL BUILD FEAR AND DISTRESS AMONG ILLEGALS RATHER THAN SAFETY FOR ALL INDIVIDUALS OF DIFFERENT ETHNICITIES.
AFTER ALL, 57% OF ALCOHOL VOTED FOR TRUMP.
I CARE MORE, I CARE MORE ABOUT TRUMP THAN THE SAFETY AND WELLBEING OF ALCOHOL RESIDENTS WHO COME FROM ALL WALKS OF LIFE.
PLEASE, PLEASE, LET'S HELP POLICE REMOVE ILLEGALS WHOSE SO LEGAL STATUS IS NO DANGER OR THREAT TO OUR COMMUNITIES.
POLICE HELP THE CITY OF EL CAJON ABIDE BY A FA ADMINISTRATION THAT IS CURRENTLY BEING PROTESTED IN ALL 50 STATES.
WE DO HAVE A BIGGER PROBLEM IN THE CITY OF EL CAJON LIKE HOMELESSNESS, BUT THAT IS NOT A CONCERN RIGHT NOW.
OUR COUNTRY IS BEING LED BY A GREEDY BUT SUCCESSFUL BUSINESSMAN WHOM I FULLY SUPPORT.
SO MY QUESTION IS JUST ASK YOURSELF IF THIS IS THE SOLUTION, WHY YOU HAVE SO MANY PEOPLE AGAINST IT.
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THAT IS IT.THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME SPEAK.
MAYOR, WE HAVE 19 MORE SPEAKERS.
THE NEXT THREE ARE VIOLET, PATRICIA REON, AND BOB COLLINS.
PATRICIA MONON, REGIONAL POLICY MANAGER FOR ALLIANCE SAN DIEGO.
TRUMP PROMISED THAT ICE WOULD START BY ONLY REMOVING VIOLENT CRIMINALS.
AND WE HAVE SEEN THIS LIE PLAY OUT IN CITY AFTER CITY WHERE NON OFFENDERS ARE BEING ARRESTED AND DETAINED AND FEAR AND LIVING IN FEAR.
SIMILARLY, WHILE MAYOR WELLS WANTS EVERYONE TO BELIEVE THAT THIS IS ABOUT VIOLENT CRIMINALS, THE DATA POINT OF 647,000 IS MISCHARACTERIZED BY MAKING PEOPLE FEARFUL, UM, THAT THERE ARE HIGH NUMBERS OF UNDOCUMENTED VIOLENT CRIMINALS IN AMERICAN CITIES.
THIS IS, THIS AGAIN, IS SIMPLY NOT TRUE.
DHS, WHICH OVERSEES ICE HAS CLARIFIED THAT THIS NUMBER SPANS DECADES.
AND THOSE NOT IN ICE CUSTODY MAY CURRENTLY BE INCARCERATED BY FEDERAL, STATE, OR LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT, AND INCLUDES IMMIGRANTS WITH LAWFUL STATUS.
ADDITIONALLY, THE SINGLE BIGGEST CATEGORY IN THIS DATA POINT INCLUDES OVER 77,000 TRAFFIC RELATED OFFENSES.
STATE LAW, SB 54, ALREADY ALLOWS FOR NOT REMOVAL OF VIOLENT OFFENDERS.
A POSITION THAT GOVERNOR NEWSOM AND AG BONTA HAVE AFFIRMED.
YOU DO NOT HAVE TO GO ON RECORD AS BEING ANTI SANCTUARY AS MUCH AS ANTI-IMMIGRANTS WOULD LIKE TO PAINT IT.
SO THE CITY OF SAN DIEGO, NOR THE COUNTY OF SAN DIEGO ARE SANCTUARY REGIONS.
SO THEN WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THIS? IT'S A POLITICAL STUNT.
MAYOR WELLS TOLD YOU TWO WEEKS AGO THAT TOM HOLMAN WANTS THE CITY OF EL CAJON IN THE TRUMP COLUMN.
IT'S ALSO SETTING UP THE CITY OF EL CAJON AS A LITIGANT TO CHALLENGE STATE LAW.
REQUESTING INDEMNIFICATION TO THE US ATTORNEY GENERAL IS ASKING PERMISSION TO VIOLATE STATE LAW AND SETTING THE CITY UP FOR A LONG, COSTLY BATTLE ON A FEDERAL ISSUE.
RESOURCES AND FUNDS THAT ARE DESPERATELY NEEDED FOR LOCAL ISSUES.
I URGE YOU TO THINK ABOUT THE POLITICAL WATERS YOU ARE WADING INTO.
IN THE EXAMPLE COUNCIL MEMBER GOEBBELS GAVE, THAT WOULD BE A VIOLATION OF SB 54 AS WOULD ASKING ICE TO TRANSLATE FOR POLICE OFFICER, POLICE OFFICERS, WHICH EL CAJON PD HAS DONE IN THE PAST.
WE URGE A NO VOTE AND NOT TO PUT THE CITY OF EL CAJON AS A POLITICAL POT.
UM, AFTER VIOLET, WE HAVE BOB COLLINS, DR.
BOY, YOU GUYS HAD ME STUDYING.
I'M NOT ADDRESSING THE MAYOR WHO HAS BEEN INVESTIGATED BY FP I'M GOOD ON THAT.
I WANNA ADDRESS MY CITY COUNCIL, WHO MEANS A LOT TO ME BECAUSE I LIVE IN THE CITY AND WE HAVE WORKED TOGETHER.
UM, AND YOU GUYS SAID THAT WE'RE NOT A SANCTUARY CITY, BUT YET IN FRONT OF YOU, WE SEE 400 PLUS VIOLENT SEX OFFENDERS THAT RESIDE HERE IN EL CAJON.
IF NOBODY HAS SEEN IT, THIS IS THE PICTURE.
THIS IS ONLY HERE IN DOWNTOWN.
YOU GUYS NEED TO MAKE YOUR RESEARCH AND SEE THAT WE HAVE VIOLENT CRIMINALS ALREADY HERE IN EL CAJON THAT ARE NOT IMMIGRANTS.
SECOND OF ALL, I SPOKE TO THE SHERIFFS TODAY AND THEY, UM, COMMUNICATED TO ME THAT WE HAVE A WEBSITE WHERE ALL THE POLICE DEPARTMENTS, UM, IT'S CALLED CRIME WATCH.
AND ON THERE WE COULD SEE THE STATISTICS OF OUR CITY AND THE CRIME THAT IS BEING COMMITTED IN OUR CITY ON PRESENT TIME.
AS YOU COULD SEE, A LOT OF CRIMES ARE NOT VIOLENT.
THEY ARE IN-HOUSE, FOR EXAMPLE, A HOMELESS PROBLEM THAT WE AS PEOPLE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON.
I COULD SAY THAT I HAVE, BECAUSE I'VE BEEN TO YOUR TOWN HALL MEETINGS PLENTY OF TIMES.
MY QUESTION IS TO YOU, WHY ARE WE STILL CONSIDERED THE DUMP OF
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SAN DIEGO? WHY ARE WE STILL ALLOWING THIS? WHY ARE WE ENTERTAINING THIS FALSE LAWLESS PROPOSAL THAT REALLY IS GONNA GET US INTO SOME DEEP S**T LEGAL S**T THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO GET? YOU CAN HELP FIRST THAT APPRECIATE, SORRY, MR. GOBEL, YOU'RE AN EDUCATOR.PLEASE EDUCATE YOURSELF FIRST, DO NOT PASS THE PROPOSAL YET.
TALK TO YOUR INSURANCE CARRIER.
TALK TO PEOPLE LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
HOW ARE WE GONNA WAIT, MA'AM, YOU NEED TO STOP.
I'LL HAVE REMOVED FROM THE CHAMBERS.
WELL, THAT'S GOOD SEEING Y'ALL.
AND MICHELLE, I WANTED TO SINGLE YOU OUT FOR BEING AS PASSIONATE AS YOU WERE ON THIS ISSUE.
UM, I SORT OF GOT AN IDEA WHAT RACE DISCRIMINATION WAS LIKE AS A KID.
I GREW UP IN A PREDOMINANTLY SPANISH AMERICAN CATHOLIC CHURCH.
THE WHITE POPULATION WAS ONLY 10% OF THAT CHURCH.
AND I CARRIED AROUND A TARGET ON MY HEAD AND THAT IMAGE IS NOT GOING AWAY.
SO I CAN ONLY IMAGINE WHAT THE IMMIGRANT COMMUNITY IS DOING NOW.
I WAS HERE AT THE LAST MEETING.
I HEARD ABOUT WHAT YOU DID AT THE FIRST MEETING, I GUESS THIRD TIME'S THE CHARM.
BUT THE ACTION YOU'RE GONNA TAKE TODAY IS DIVISIVE.
AND TO THE IMMIGRANT COMMUNITY, PERCEPTION IS REALITY.
AGAIN, IF THEY DON'T HAVE THEIR PAPERS, THEY MUST BE DOING SOMETHING WRONG.
DO I CARRY PAPERS? NO, I DON'T HAVE TO.
AND HAVE YOU SEEN THE FILMS HAVE BEEN TAKEN TO THESE ICE RAIDS IN OTHER CITIES IN THE UNITED STATES? I MEAN, IT LOOKS LIKE THE PARATROOPERS HAVE BEEN DROPPED IN AND IN THIS ONE RAID THEY CAME UP WITH A TOTAL OF ONE.
NOW THAT AIN'T GONNA MAKE TRUMP HAPPY.
AND THAT'S WHAT MY CONCERN IS.
ALTHOUGH THOUGH THIS RESOLUTION BE WELL MAY BE WELL-MEANING EVENTUALLY IT'S GONNA GET TO THE POINT.
WELL, IF YOU'RE NOT IN THE RIGHT, YOU KNOW, UH, MAKEUP AND IT LOOKS LIKE YOU MIGHT BE NOT DOING SOMETHING RIGHT, WE'RE GONNA PULL YOU OVER.
BUT WHAT I WOULD SAY IS, I KNOW THIS THING'S GONNA PASS, BUT WHY DON'T YOU DO WHAT YOU DID WITH THE HOMELESS SITUATIONS.
YOU HAD FORUMS WHERE PEOPLE COULD TALK AND IF THERE'S FORUMS, YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO SAY GOING FORWARD, JUST HOW EFFECTIVE IS THIS POLICY AND WHAT IMPACT IS THIS HAVING? AM I UP TO TWO MINUTES? ALL RIGHT.
AFTER MR. CONTI, WE HAVE JOSE CRUZ, PARIS ORTIZ, AND FABIOLA CONTI.
IF YOU GUYS CAN PLEASE STAND IN THE MIDDLE AISLE.
I AM A RESIDENT CAJON FOR DISTRICT FOUR
AND, UH, LET ME START SAYING THAT UNDOCUMENTED PEOPLE ARE HUMAN TOO.
OKAY? I WANT YOU UNDERSTAND THAT MY LIFE IN CAJON IS, I LIKE IT.
YOU KNOW, EVERY MONDAY I GO TO MAIN STREET AND I BUY, UH, FOR MY FAVORITE MIDDLE EASTERN RESTAURANT, THE LAMB CZI DELICIOUS.
ON, ON WEDNESDAY, I GO TO MY, UH, MARKET RESTAURANT AND MAIN STREET TOO.
THERE ARE 70 COMMUNITIES, I BELIEVE GARY SAY THAT LIVING HERE.
AND I NEVER SAW A DRUG DEALER.
I DON'T KNOW IF I'M LUCKY OR YOU KNOW, I GO TO RENET PARK EVERY, UH, EVENING WITH MY WIFE AND LITTLE DOG.
AND, UH, THE ARABS IS, ARE, UM, SALUTING US.
YOU KNOW, THE REST, A LOT CHILDREN, CHILDREN PLAYING CRICKET, THEY CAME FOR AFGHANISTAN.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW THAT.
WE NEVER HAVE THIS PROBLEM UNTIL MR. UH, THE MAYOR DIVIDE US.
NOW WE ARE WHITE AGAIN, BROWN PEOPLE.
AND YOU KNOW WHY THIS IS HAPPENING.
EL CAJON HAS 113 YEARS, AND IN 113 YEARS, WE NEVER HAVE
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ONE COUNCIL MEMBER WHO REPRESENT OUR COMMUNITY.WE ARE THE 25% OF THE VOTERS OF EL CAJON ARE SPANISH.
IN THE LAST ELECTION, I ASK MY NEIGHBOR, HE'S FROM MEXICO, I SAID, WHY YOU VOTE FOR MR. ORTIZ? OH, HE'S FROM MEXICO.
AND WE ARE GOING TO RECALL YOU IN 90 DAYS ON MARCH 10, WE HAVE THE, THE, THE SIGNATURE.
YOU CAN'T BE THERE BECAUSE YOU WAS ELECTED FOR THE LATINO COMMUNITY AND YOU HATE US.
WE'RE NOT CRIMINAL, MR. WE'RE NOT CRIMINAL.
AND I'M SAD TO SAY THAT I'M HERE AGAIN BECAUSE WE THOUGHT WE HAD SETTLED THIS TWO WEEKS AGO, BUT APPARENTLY NOT.
UH, I GUESS MR. WELLS IS GETTING A LOT OF PRESSURE FROM UPSTAIRS, YOU KNOW, THE NEW, UH, PRESIDENT AND, UH, HE'S CAVING IN.
AND THEN, UH, AND I FEEL FOR YOU, STEVE, I KNOW I'M, I'M, I'M PRETTY SURE YOU'RE GETTING A LOT OF NASTY EMAILS FROM A LOT OF OUR FRIENDS ON THIS SIDE OF THE
BUT, UH, I WANNA SAY THAT THIS RESOLUTION IS, YOU KNOW, YOU CLAIM IT'S ALL ABOUT CRIMINALS AND THIS AND THAT.
WHY DIDN'T YOU INTRODUCE THIS ONE, TWO OR THREE YEARS AGO? YOU KNOW, NOT UNTIL NOW, UNTIL WE HAVE A NEW PRECEDENT, WHICH WITH A DIFFERENT AGENDA AND EVERYTHING ELSE I HAVE, I GREW UP, I GREW UP HERE IN EL CAJON.
AND LIKE I TOLD YOU MY STORY BEFORE AS A 14-YEAR-OLD, I, YOU KNOW, WE USED TO HAVE A LAW HERE IN EL CAJON EXACTLY LIKE WHAT WE WANNA PASS RIGHT NOW, WHERE THEY WOULD JUST PULL YOU OVER 'CAUSE YOU'RE BROWN.
THEY WOULD, THE COPS, THE CITY POLICE WOULD PULL YOU OVER AND THEN THEY WOULD CALL THE BORDER PATROL, WAIT, WAIT COUPLE HOURS UNTIL THEY SHOW UP OR WHENEVER THEY WANTED TO SHOW UP TO ASK YOU FOR YOUR PAPERS.
AND THEN JUST, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN.
AGAIN, I KNOW THE LAW THAT YOU WANNA PASS HAS GOOD INTENTIONS.
THE, WE ALREADY HAVE A LAW WHERE THE POLICE CAN TURN OVER CRIMINALS OF ANY KIND, LEGAL, ILLEGAL, WHATEVER YOU WANNA CALL THEM TO THE BORDER PATROL.
SO WE, WE ALREADY HAVE SOMETHING IN PLACE.
SO I DON'T SEE THE NEED FOR THIS TO HAPPEN.
I KNOW I'M GONNA GET DISCRIMINATED AGAIN.
OUR COMMUNITY IS NOT GONNA BE HAPPY ABOUT IT.
IF ANY COP PULLS ME OVER, ASK ME FOR MY PAPERS, I'M GONNA TELL 'EM TO GO F THEMSELVES.
AND THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHAT I'M WANT TO DO.
I DON'T WANNA, I'M HONESTLY DON'T WANNA BE PUT IN THAT SITUATION JUST BECAUSE I'M A BROWN PERSON.
I'M A LAW ABIDING, UH, CITIZEN OF THE UNITED STATES, AND I KNOW MY WHITE FRIENDS DON'T UNDERSTAND IT.
'CAUSE THEY HAVE NEVER BEEN DISCRIMINATED IN THAT SENSE.
SO I, SO WE, WE HAVE, WE HAVE PARIS ORTIZ, FALE CONTI AND TOM GALLOWAY.
AND COULD YOU PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME? HUH? COULD YOU PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME? PARIS ORTIZ
UM, STEVE, I'M SORRY, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO SAY YOUR NAME.
MORGAN, MORGAN, EL AND CORTEZ.
I ONLY GOT, I ONLY GOT ONE THING TO SAY.
I DON'T WANNA TAKE ANYBODY'S TIME.
I HAD RATHER DIE ON MY KNEES THAN LIVE ON MY KNEES.
EMILIO, IF YOU KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS.
I'M A HOSPICE NURSE AND A PROUD MEXICAN.
I CARE FOR PATIENT OF ALL RACES THOUGH 80% OF MY PATIENTS ARE ON GOZA HOME AND ONLY 20% ARE LATINO.
THIS IS BECAUSE MY LATINO PREFER TO SPEND THEIR TIME LAST, THEIR LAST DAYS WITH THEIR FAMILIES AND DO NOT SIT HOSPICE CARE HER.
HELPING SOMEONE IN THE FINAL DAYS
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IS A ROLE THAT REQUIRES SPECIAL TRAINING AND COMPASSION, WHICH NOT TOO MANY POSSESS HERE.IT HURTS ME A LOT TO SEE THE FEAR THAT HAS GREAT LATINO FAMILIES.
AND SINCE PRESIDENT TRUMP IMMIGRATION, WHAT IS A CRIME? WORKING HARD TO DO THE JOBS THAT OTHERS WANT.
THE ONES WHO REPAIR THE STREETS SERVES AS A GARDENERS AND SERVING THE RESTAURANT IS OFTEN NOT MEXICANS STREAMING TO PROVIDE FOR THEIR FAMILIES.
THEY'RE WORKING HARD MAY WALLS.
HOW CAN YOU SLEEP AT NIGHT KNOWING THE HARM YOU ARE CAUSING TO THE LATINO SINON? THIS IS NOT WHAT YOU ELECTED, WHAT WE ELECTED YOU FOR.
A HAS THE POWER TO JULY FOR DUBAI AND YOU HAVE CHOSEN DIVISION DRIVING BY HEAD TOWARD THOSE WITH BROKEN SKIN, SORRY, WITH BONE SKIN.
MR. ORTIZ LATINO POPULATION ELECTED YOU TO BE IN THIS SEAT.
AND YOU ALREADY SAW DIVISION AND I'M SORRY, MICHELLE.
AND I'M SORRY GARY, BECAUSE THE LAST TWO WEEKS YOU RECEIVED GOT HATE THAT WE ALWAYS RECEIVE.
IT'S WHAT WE ARE HERE AND SPEAKING OUT AFTER, AFTER MR. GALLOWAY, WE HAVE LINDA, ALICIA, AND SARAH THOUGHT I LOST MY SPEECH.
HAVE YOU HEARD OF 2 87 G I'VE HEARD OF 54 SOMETHING, BUT 2 87 G SIR, CAN YOU STATE IN FRONT OF THE MICROPHONE PLEASE? TWO EIGHTY SEVEN G IS, IS WHAT YOU SHOULD BE, AS SHOULD, SHOULD BE.
WHERE YOU'RE, YOU'RE LOOKING IN THE INS UH, RULE BOOKS OR LAWS ACTUALLY.
AND MR. FOLEY HAS THE ACTUAL SECTION OF THE LAW.
SO 2 87 AND THIS, HOW MUCH OF THIS DO YOU HAVE TO PURSUE MASS DEPORTATIONS? AND IT ISN'T JUST THE MONEY.
SOME COUNTIES FOR THEIR FIRST YEAR, AND I THINK MOST OF THE COUNTY PROBLEMS HERE SPENT 6.4 TO $4.8 MILLION ON THEIR PORTION OF, UH, 2 87 G.
THEY ONLY THING THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT GIVES YOU IS THE TRAINING, THE TRANSPORTATION TO THE TRAINING AND THE, UH, THE EQUIPMENT, THE COMPUTER PROGRAMMING FOR THAT.
OTHERWISE, IT'S ALL ON THE BACKS OF THE TAXPAYERS IN THIS CITY.
ARE THESE PEOPLE GONNA WANT YOU ANYMORE? YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T BELIEVE IN, IN A SAN SANCTUARY CITY.
UM, I REALLY BELIEVE IN WHERE THE LAW ENDS, TYRANNY BEGINS AND IF YOU FOLLOW THE LAW, 2 2 87 G AND WHATEVER LAWS YOU HAVE TO LOOK FOR, UH, WHAT YOU'RE GONNA BE DOING IS DOING REGULAR PE POLICE WORK AND NOT SWEEPING, UH, AREAS AND LOOKING 'EM UP.
UH, YOU'LL BE DEPUTIZED BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND YOU CAN ONLY DO THAT.
UH, MR. FOLEY WILL PROBABLY HAVE HUNDREDS OF, I'M SORRY SIR, YOUR TIME.
I HOPE, I HOPE YOU CAN HIRE HIM.
UH, SOME HELP IN THE FUTURE, SIR.
COULD YOU PLEASE STATE, STATE YOUR NAME FOR US? MISS? HI, I'M LINDA
UM, FIRST OF ALL, I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS, UH, THEIR BILL WELLS PUBLICLY.
UM, THANK YOU FOR VOTING AGAINST THE SANCTUARY CITY.
I OPPOSE SANCTUARY CITIES AND I KNOW THERE'S A FEW OTHER OF YOUR COLLEAGUES THAT OPPOSED IT.
ANYBODY ELSE UP HERE ON CITY COUNCIL THAT WOULD LIKE TO HAVE IT? A SANCTUARY CITY SHOULD BE ARRESTED FOR DEFYING PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP'S ORDERS.
I'M MEXICAN AMERICAN, THIRD GENERATION FROM HEARING.
AS YOU CAN SEE, I BROUGHT OLD GLORY 'CAUSE SHE'S BEEN THROUGH A LOT.
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IN, UH, WORLD WAR I, WORLD WAR II, KOREA, VIETNAM, AND MY SON'S IN THE ARMY.AND UM, YOU KNOW, I JUST WANNA SAY THAT I AS A MEXICAN HERE, I DON'T FEEL ANY HATE.
I DON'T FEEL ANYBODY'S AGAINST ME.
YOU KNOW, I THANK YOU FOR MAKING US SAFE.
AND, UM, I HAVE A FEW MORE MINUTES.
OH, ALL MY FAMILY CAME HERE LEGALLY AND IT TOOK A LONG TIME AND EVERYBODY SHOULD COME HERE LEGALLY.
ANYBODY THAT COMES HERE ILLEGALLY IS A CRIMINAL AND SHOULD BE SET BACK.
I'M A MEXICAN, BUT I'M AMERICAN BY BLOOD.
YES, ME HANG, GLORY ON ME, LAYS AND GENTLEMEN.
ANYBODY THAT WANTS TO PROTEST AND BURN OUR FLAG SHOULD BE ARRESTED ALSO.
AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST, THIS, UH, THIS IS AMERICAN SOIL AND WILL ALWAYS BE AMERICAN SOIL.
I JUST WANTED, MY NAME IS ALICIA.
I'M A CHICANA, BORN AND RAISED HERE, A THIRD GENERATION BORN FROM A LEGAL IMMIGRANT MOM.
MY GRANDPARENTS CAME FROM MEXICO WITH MY MOTHER WHEN SHE WAS FIVE YEARS OLD.
AND ALL HER 14 BROTHERS AND SISTERS ENTERED THE USA LEGALLY.
I HAVE UNCLES AND AND NEPHEWS WHO SERVED IN THE MILITARY FOR THIS COUNTRY, BUT THOSE WHO ARE RIOTING DESTROYING PROPERTY AND BURNING THE AMERICAN FLAG DO NOT REPRESENT ME.
SUCH DISRESPECT TO OUR MILITARY MEN AND WOMEN, MY FAMILY WHO SERVED, AND ESPECIALLY THE ONES WHO THEIR LIVES PROTECTING THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.
I AGREE WITH PRESIDENT TRUMP, YOU THE AMERICAN FLAG.
YOU SHOULD GO TO JAIL FOR ONE YEAR.
AND WHAT'S EMBARRASSING IS THOSE WAVING MEXICAN FLAGS.
CAN SOMEONE EXPLAIN? EVERYBODY YELLING MEXICO, BUT STILL CRYING AND FIGHTING NOT TO GO BACK AND WANNA BE AMERICAN CITIZENS.
MAKE IT MAKE SENSE? LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, COME IN THE LEGAL WAY AND GET IN LINE.
I LOVE MY GOD FIRST, BUT I ALSO LOVE THIS NATION, THIS COUNTRY THAT HAS GIVEN ME SO MUCH.
I CAN ONLY BE THANKFUL FOR ALL THE OPPORTUNITIES AND BLESSINGS, BUT WE NEED HELP TO GET ALL VIOLENT, ILLEGAL CRIMINALS OUT OF OUR CITY AND NATION.
WE ARE TIRED, OUR FAMILIES ARE NOT SAFE.
HUMAN TRAFFICKING AND CRIMES ARE ALL TIME HIGH.
I AGREE AND SUPPORT OUR MAYOR BILL WELLS ON NO SANCTUARY CITIES.
IF POLICE ENCOUNT, ILLEGAL, VIOLENT CRIMINALS, POLICE SHOULD BE ABLE TO NOTIFY ICE IMMEDIATELY.
PLEASE, EVERYONE HERE IN THE CITY COUNCIL, DO YOUR JOB.
YOU GOT, YOU GOT VOTED IN FOR, TO PROTECT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AND DO WHAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE ASKING YOU TO DO.
YOU SEE THE VIOLENCE GOING ON? I SEE IT THROUGH MIKE.
I SEE IT THROUGH MY, OKAY, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, STOP.
ALRIGHT, WE'RE GONNA TAKE A, A THREE MINUTE BREAK UNTIL YOU GUYS CAN GET, GET IT TOGETHER AND NOT INTERRUPT THIS.
AND I'LL, I'LL CONTINUE TO BREAK ALL NIGHT LONG TILL SIX IN THE MORNING IF THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO DO.
BUT I AM NOT GOING TO PUT UP WITH YOU DISRUPTING THESE PROCEEDINGS.
LADIES, I WOULD LIKE TO ATTEMPT TO CONTINUE MEETING IF YOU COULD ALL TAKE YOUR SEATS AND BE SILENT.
THE NEXT SPEAKERS ARE SARAH, UH, RADO AND EVA PACHECO, IF YOU CAN PLEASE COME DOWN THE AISLE.
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GOOD EVENING.TOO BAD SOME OF THE PEOPLE ARE OUT OF HERE THAT CAN'T HEAR WHAT'S REALLY NEEDS TO GO ON.
THIS IS MY SECOND VISIT HERE FOR THE, THIS IS MY SECOND VISIT HERE.
LAST TIME I DID NOT SPEAK, I THOUGHT IT WAS VERY IMPORTANT AND I WANTED TO, UM, TOUCH ON SOME THINGS THAT I'VE LEARNED IN JUST THIS TWO WEEKS.
BUT AT FIRST I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS MY SITUATION I HAD WITH MS. MICHELLE.
AND IF I HEAR ANY REMARKS, YOU CAN LEAVE
NO, MR. WELLS, THIS IS WHEN THE, THEY NEED TO KEEP CONTROL BECAUSE IT'S BETWEEN ME AND HER, AND ACTUALLY HER.
LET'S, LET'S GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED.
ANYWAYS, I WILL LOOK AND I WILL SAY WHATEVER, 'CAUSE THAT'S WHO I AM.
BOTTOM LINE IS MS. MICHELLE, 'CAUSE I CAN'T PRONOUNCE HER LAST NAME.
MITCHELL, HOW DO YOU PRONOUNCE YOUR LAST NAME? MITCHELL.
I'M SURE YOU'RE AWARE OF WHAT HAPPENED AND YOU DON'T WANT IT TO BE KNOWN, BUT WHEN I SPOKE WITH YOU AFTER THIS MEETING, I JUST WANT THE COUNSEL TO KNOW I'M, I HAVE TO SPEED IT UP 'CAUSE I HAVE A LOT TO SAY.
YOUR PER UNPROFESSIONALISM AND YOUR INABILITY TO PROTECT ME.
AFTER ASKING A QUESTION AND HEARING PEOPLE LAUGH ABOUT THE FIRST SPEAKER THAT SPOKE ON YOU, IT'S ALL TRUE.
WHAT HAPPENED? YOU DID COMPLAIN ABOUT BEING TIRED.
YOU NEEDED TO EAT, YOU WANTED TO GO HOME, YOU HAVE MENOPAUSE.
AND TOO MANY PEOPLE ARE TALKING AND ASKING QUESTIONS.
AND I PERSONALLY SAID IT IS, IT DOES HAVE EVERYTHING TO DO WITH HER BEING COHERENT.
ENOUGH TO BE, MA'AM, YOU JUST, JUST ADDRESS THE COUNSEL.
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, I NEED YOU TO HAVE THE ATTENTION DROPPED.
I'M GONNA GIVE YOU, I'M GONNA GIVE YOU SOME MORE TIME.
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, YOU HAVE GOT TO CONTROL YOURSELF OR YOU ARE NOT GONNA GET THROUGH THIS MEETING UNTIL TOMORROW.
I MA'AM IT'S NOT YOUR TIME TO SPEAK EXCEPT FOR BUSINESS LINES.
EVERYBODY GETS A CHANCE TO SPEAK SO WE CAN DO, WE CAN DO THIS HOWEVER Y'ALL WANNA DO IT, BUT I AM NOT GONNA LET YOU RUN THE MEETING.
SO WHY DON'T WE JUST LET EVERYBODY HAVE THEIR CHANCE TO SPEAK? SOMETIMES PEOPLE ARE GONNA SAY THINGS YOU DON'T LIKE.
SOMETIMES PEOPLE ARE GONNA SAY THINGS THEY DON'T LIKE.
IT'S, IT'S JUST THE WAY IT GOES.
SO LET'S CONTINUE AND I'LL I'LL GIVE YOU 10 MORE SECONDS OR SO AT THE END.
CAN YOU CORRECT IT? WAIT, SHE CAN'T, SHE DOESN'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THAT.
SO I'LL, I LIKE TO ADDRESS THAT AS A BOARD MEMBER AND ANY COUNCIL, YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO BE AWARE OF WHAT'S GONNA BE HAPPENING AND NOT TAKE FAVORITISM.
I SEE A LOT OF PEOPLE SIGNING TO YOU AND TO THE BOARD.
NOT THIS BOARD, BUT LAST BOARD.
I SEE A LOT OF UNPROFESSIONAL BEHAVIOR.
AND IF THE JOB FOR YOU IS TO PROTECT ALL OF US, NOT JUST CERTAIN PEOPLE.
THAT'S WHAT I'M ADDRESSING TODAY.
I HAD MORE TO SAY AND MAYBE I'LL COME BACK AND SPEAK ABOUT IT.
NO, SHE GETS A FEW MORE MINUTES, FEW MORE SECONDS BECAUSE YOU INTERRUPTED HER.
SO YOU CAN TAKE 15 MORE SECONDS IF YOU'D LIKE.
BUT AS FAR AS THIS, THIS WHOLE THING GOES, I THINK THAT EVERYBODY SHOULD KNOW THAT THEIR VOTE TODAY, OR WHAT IT IS ABOUT TODAY MEANS THE FUTURE FOR OUR CHILDREN, FOR ALL THE CRIMINALS THAT ARE OUT THERE.
WE NEED TO BE SAFE NO MATTER WHAT COLOR WE ARE.
NO MATTER WHERE YOU COME FROM, PERIOD.
AND NOT HAVE FAVORITISM TO A GROUP.
UM, GARY'S, I CONTINUE MEETING.
THE GOOD NEWS IS THAT WE'RE DOWN TO THE LAST, HEY, IT'S THE HYUNDAI SPEAKERS.
WE HAVE LEFT, SIR, WE HAVE NINE MORE SPEAKERS.
OKAY, WE HAVE NINE MORE SPEAKERS.
THAT'S 18 MINUTES OF SPEAKING.
AND THE, THE MEETING COULD BE DONE PRETTY QUICKLY AND WE COULD, UH, GO ABOUT OUR LIVES.
BUT WE HAVE, WE HAVE HAVE TO HAVE THE QUORUM.
WHO'S OUR NEXT SPEAKER? UM, AND I'M SORRY, I KNOW I'M SAYING THIS NAME WRONG.
RADO EVA PACHECO AND JESUS PACHECO.
I CAME DOWN HERE, DROVE AN HOUR WITH MY FRIENDS.
I WANT TO CHALLENGE THE HATEFUL RHETORIC THAT HAS BEEN SPREAD THROUGHOUT THIS MEETING AND THROUGHOUT THE WORDING OF THE, UM, CONSTELLATION IN MAY, 2021.
MY FATHER, AN ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT
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DIED DUE TO COMPLICATIONS RELATING TO DIABETES.AND THE REASON I BRING THIS UP WAS BECAUSE I WAS NOT ABLE TO SPEND TIME WITH HIM.
AND HE WAS NOT ABLE TO GET PROPER HEALTHCARE BECAUSE HE WAS AFRAID OF THE, OF GETTING PROFILED AS A VIOLENT CRIMINAL.
THAT THESE INDIVIDUALS THROUGHOUT THIS MEETING HAVE BEEN CALLING IMMIGRANTS.
THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS WE ARE NOT CRIMINALS.
AND THE BIGGEST PART, AND SOMETHING THAT REALLY JUST HURT ME WAS IN THIS TEXT YOU CALLED US ILLEGAL ALIENS.
YOU ARE TELLING US TO CALM DOWN AND TO TO BE RESPECTFUL IN THE VERY WRITING YOU ARE CALLING US DEHUMANIZING LANGUAGE ALIENS.
ALIENS, NOT SOME THINGS OF, NOT OF THIS WORLD.
IT'S SO HEARTBREAKING AS A YOUTH.
AND A LOT OF THE PEOPLE, A LOT OF THE YOUTH THAT HAVE CAME HERE TODAY HAVE SPOKEN OUT ABOUT THIS CONSOLATION AND I I'M JUST HOW TRYING TO REACH YOU AS A HUMAN BEING.
HOW COULD YOU TREAT US? KIDS LIKE ME WHO ARE SEPARATED FROM THEIR FATHERS AND THEIR MOTHERS AS ALIENS, TREATING THEIR, THEIR FATHERS AND MOTHERS AS VIOLENT CRIMINALS.
I'M NOT A CRIMINAL, I'M A HUMAN.
I HAVE FLESH AND BLOOD LIKE YOU VIZA.
HERE WE GO AGAIN FOR THE THIRD TIME.
AND I WOULD LIKE MR. GOBEL TO BE THERE BECAUSE I REALLY WANT TO TALK TO HIM.
HE NEEDS TO BE BECAUSE I, I, I REALLY, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, I'M TIME OVER LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.
I DO NOT WANNA HEAR YOU CALLING OUT FROM THE GALLERY.
IF YOU CAN'T BEHAVE, I'M GONNA TAKE THE MEETING UP TO THE FIFTH FLOOR.
WE'LL INVITE THE PRESS AND WE'LL LEAVE YOU OUT OF IT.
I'M NOT, I'M NOT KIDDING AROUND WITH YOU.
I'M HAPPY TO LET YOU SPEAK, BUT YOU GOTTA BE RESPECTFUL NOW.
LET'S LET HER HAVE THE WHOLE TIME.
DO YOU KNOW COUNCIL MEMBERS? UM, I'VE BEEN PRAYING FOR YOU.
I REALLY DO BECAUSE WE ARE HERE AGAIN FOR THIS.
THERE IS NO NEED FOR A RESOLUTION.
I'M DOING THIS BECAUSE I NEED TO RESPOND TO THE PEOPLE WHO VOTED IT FOR ME.
BUT YOU ARE THE MAYOR OF EL CAJON.
YOU REPRESENT, YOU REPRESENT US.
THE ONLY THING THAT I CAN SAY IN MY COMMUNITY, WHAT YOU HAVE CREATED IS HATE, DESPAIR, DIVISION.
THAT'S WHAT YOU HAVE CREATED WITH THIS RESOLUTION THAT IS NOTHING ELSE BUT YOUR POLITICAL CAREER BECAUSE YOU REALLY SAID THAT YOU MET WITH TO TOM HOAS.
YOU HAVE TO KEEP YOUR COMMITMENT TO HIM TO COOPERATE WITH EYES.
AND WHO'S AND WHO YOU ARE TARGETING THE LATINO COMMUNITY.
AND WE ARE ALREADY SEEING MR. GOBEL, I'M SORRY THAT YOU CHANGE YOUR MIND AND YOU CHANGE YOUR POSITION, BUT I CAN TELL YOU THIS IS NOT GOOD FOR YOU.
AND EVERYONE HERE CAME TO THIS COUNTRY ILLEGALLY.
EVERYONE BUT THE NATIVE, NATIVE AMERICAN, WE ARE IN A LAND OF INDIGENOUS PEOPLE.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE ARE SITTING RIGHT NOW.
THIS LAND BELONGS TO EVERYONE.
UM, UH, OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, UH, MANY OF US BELIEVE THAT THE RESOLUTION,
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UH, THERE IS NO PURPOSE OF THE RESOLUTION BECAUSE THERE IS RULE REGULATIONS AND LAWS THEY ADDRESSED THAT CONCERNS ALL OF US.UM, BUT SECONDLY IS NOT GOOD THIS RESOLUTION BECAUSE BRINGS, UH, DIVISION AND TENSION AMONG US AS EVIDENTLY I WITNESSED THAT LAST, UH, AT THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING OUTSIDE.
BUT I CANNOT ASSURE, UH, MICHELLE, THAT WE RESPECT YOU BECAUSE YOU ARE TAKING A POSITION OF TO SERVE THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY NO MATTER WHAT.
MAYBE THERE IS SOME DISAGREEMENTS, BUT EH, JUSTICE WILL PREVAIL AND WE STAND BEHIND YOU A HUNDRED PERCENT.
THANK YOU FOR REPRESENT US THAT COMMUNITY.
THE NEXT THREE SPEAKERS, THE NEXT THREE SPEAKERS ARE GAMBLER, MATTHEW GORDON AND PATRICK HARTLEY.
I DON'T THINK MR. GAMBLER'S HERE.
AND IF YOU CAN PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
MAYOR WELLS, UH, COUNCIL MEMBERS.
UH, MY NAME IS MATTHEW GORDON.
I'M DISTRICT DIRECTOR HERE ON BEHALF OF STATE ASSEMBLY MEMBER DR.
UM, I'M HERE TO READ, START THE TIME.
OH, I'M HERE TO READ A COUPLE OF, UH, BRIEF, UH, REMARKS.
AND I'LL BE SPEAKING, UH, AGAINST THE RESOLUTION.
UH, AS THE ASSEMBLY MEMBER REPRESENTING OUR DIVERSE COMMUNITIES, I COMMEND YOUR WILLINGNESS TO REVISIT THIS MATTER AND APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE MY PERSPECTIVE.
CALIFORNIA HAS A LONG TRADITION OF STANDING FOR DIGNITY AND WELLBEING OF EVERY INDIVIDUAL, REGARDLESS, REGARDLESS OF THEIR PLACE OF BIRTH.
SB 54 CONTINUES THAT TRADITION BY CLARIFYING THE ROLE OF LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT, CULTIVATING TRUST, AND REMAINING COMMITTED TO INCLUSION IN EL CAJON.
MANY FAMILIES, IMMIGRANT AND NON-IMMIGRANT ALIKE WORK HARD EACH AND EVERY DAY TO BUILD BETTER LIVES BY PROMOTING POLICIES THAT RESPECT AND PROTECT ALL RESIDENTS.
WE SEND A MESSAGE THAT EVERY PERSON IN OUR COMMUNITY HAS WORTH AND IS DESERVING OF SECURITY AND OPPORTUNITY.
I RECOGNIZE THAT ISSUES RELATED TO IMMIGRATION CAN SPARK STRONG EMOTIONS, YET AT THEIR CORE, THESE ARE HUMAN STORIES ABOUT FAMILIES DETERMINED TO PROVIDE FOR THEIR CHILDREN.
YOUNG PEOPLE STRIVING TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE CITY THAT THEY CALL HOME.
AND NEIGHBORS WHOSE CULTURES AND EXPERIENCE ENRICH THE VERY FABRIC OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.
WHEN WE FOSTER TRUST AND SECURITY AMONG ALL RESIDENTS, WE BUILD SAFER, STRONGER NEIGHBORHOODS.
IT IS ONLY THROUGH EMPATHY AND THE COLLABORATION RATHER THAN FEAR THAT WE CAN TRULY HARNESS THE POT, THE POTENTIAL OF THIS CITY'S DIVERSITY.
BY MOVING FORWARD WITH AN INCLUSIVE PERSPECTIVE, EL CAJON HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO SHINE AS A COMMUNITY THAT WELCOMES EVERY INDIVIDUAL AND OFFERS A FAIR CHANCE FOR ALL TO SUCCEED.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION AND FOR YOUR COMMITMENT TO SERVING ALL RESIDENTS OF EL CAJON.
I STAND READY TO WORK WITH YOU TO FOSTER A FUTURE THAT REFLECTS OUR SHARED VALUES OF DIGNITY, DIGNITY, RESPECT, AND OPPORTUNITY FOR EVERY PERSON IN OUR COMMUNITY.
UM, THANK YOU, HONORABLE MAYOR AND, UH, CITY COUNCIL.
UM, UNFORTUNATELY, VOTING NO ON THIS PROPOSAL DOES NOT GET ICE OUT OF OUR COMMUNITY.
ICE IS ALREADY IN THIS COMMUNITY.
ICE CAN AND WILL CONTINUE TO OPERATE IN EL CAJON, BUT WE DON'T NEED OUR POLICE OFFICERS COLLABORATING WITH ICE TO TERRORIZE OUR RESIDENTS.
STATE AND LOCAL POLICE STILL ENFORCE STATE AND LOCAL LAW CRIMINAL LAWS AGAINST ANYONE.
EVEN IN CALIFORNIA, LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT IS DIRECTED TO NOTIFY ICE.
IF THE DEFENDANT IS CONVICTED OF A VIOLENT CRIME.
OFFICIALS STILL SEND FINGERPRINTS OF ANYONE
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ARRESTED TO THE FBI, WHICH THE FBI CAN CHOOSE TO SHARE WITH ICE.NEARLY ALL OF CALIFORNIA CITIES AND COUNTIES ARE COMPLYING WITH STATE LAW, WHICH MAKES IT ILLEGAL FOR THEM TO ASSIST ICE.
I URGE YOU TO VOTE NO ON THIS XENOPHOBIC RESOLUTION.
IMMIGRANTS CONTRIBUTE A HUNDRED BILLION TO THE AMERICAN ECONOMY IN 2022.
THAT'S FROM BLOOMBERG, 8.7 BILLION IN CALIFORNIA.
THE LADY EARLY, EARLIER CLAIMED THAT SHE SAW A BUS FULL OF MILITARY AGE MEN.
DID THEY DO DO ANYTHING TO HER? DID THEY SAY ANYTHING? DID YOU TALK TO THEM? DID DID THEY MAKE YOU FEEL FEAR OR DID THEY JUST MAKE YOU FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE? YOU HAVE THE RIGHT, YOU DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO INTELLECTUAL SAFETY.
THE FIRST AMENDMENT DOESN'T PROTECT FROM BEING UNCOMFORTABLE JUST BECAUSE PEOPLE OF A DIFFERENT COLOR OR DIFFERENT RELIGION OR DIFFERENT NATIONALITY OR HAVE DIFFERENT OPINIONS MAKE YOU UNCOMFORTABLE, DOES NOT VIOLATE ANY LAWS.
PEOPLE OUT HERE ARE TALKING ABOUT THEY NEED PROTECTION.
PROTECT YOU FROM WHAT PEOPLE WHO JUST WANT TO GO TO SCHOOL PROTECT YOU FROM GOING TO WORK TO JOBS.
THAT, LET'S BE HONEST, MOST WHITE PEOPLE WON'T DO THEMSELVES.
EVERYONE IS COMPLAINING ABOUT PEOPLE COMING HERE FROM CERTAIN COUNTRIES BECAUSE AMERICA DESTABILIZES AND ASSASSINATES LEADERS IN MOST, IN THOSE COUNTRIES, WE'RE NOT WILLING TO OMI.
BUT WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION.
WE'D RATHER IT'S EASIER TO BLAME AMERICANS.
I UNDERSTAND OUR ELECTIONS HAVE BEEN SCREWED UP FOR A VERY LONG TIME, WHICH ALLOWED YOU GUYS TO GO AHEAD AND FIGHT WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
I ACTUALLY DON'T CARE IF YOU GUYS GO AHEAD AND TELL ALL THE POLICE OFFICERS NOT TO COMMUNICATE WITH LIFE BECAUSE ACTUALLY THAT WILL HELP OUT IN DEPORTING PEOPLE BECAUSE WE WON'T BE DEPORTING THEM FROM THE PRISON.
WE'LL BE DEPORTING THEM FROM HOUSES.
AND THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT EVERYONE HERE THAT IS PROTESTING WANTS.
THEY WANT THE COPS TO GO TO A HOUSEHOLD AND MAKE A SCENE SO THAT WE COULD GO AHEAD AND FURTHER DIVIDE OUR NATION.
AND THAT IS WHAT YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN DOING FOR THE PAST, WHAT, FOUR YEARS UNTIL SUDDENLY DONALD TRUMP BECOMES PRESIDENT.
AND THEN YOU HAVE A MORAL EPIPHANY THAT YOU GUYS ALL OF A SUDDEN HAVE BALL TO GO AHEAD AND SAY SOMETHING.
WELL, I'VE BEEN SAYING S**T TO THE POINT THAT THE COUNTY HAS THROWN ME IN JAIL BECAUSE I WANT TO TALK ABOUT ELECTION FRAUD AND THEY DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT.
I'VE ASKED YOU TO GO AHEAD AND LOOK INTO THE ELECTION FRAUD THAT IS COMING FROM HOMELESS FACILITIES THAT YOU RAN AROUND AND GRABBED FROM ALL OVER THE COUNTY IN 2020.
YOU TOLD ALL OF SAN DIEGO THAT BRING YOU THE HOMELESS.
SO WHY DID YOU DO THAT? SO THAT YOU CAN MAKE SURE THAT YOU KEEP YOUR SEAT BY REGISTRATION VOTER FRAUD SO THAT YOU COULD GO AHEAD AND PUSH THESE, THIS DIVISION THAT WE HAVE.
IS THAT THE REASON? BECAUSE YOU'RE JUST PHONY RIGHT NOW.
YOU RECOGNIZE THAT, RIGHT? YOU RECOGNIZE THAT WE COULD LOOK BACK IN THE PAST THREE, FOUR OR FOUR YEARS AND SEE THE FACT THAT YOU SUPPORTED MOST OF THIS S**T, THAT YOU WENT AHEAD AND WENT ALONG WITH THESE IDEAS, THAT YOU WENT AHEAD AND TRIED TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE A FRIENDLY BIKE LANE IN FRONT OF A FRIGGING HELL'S ANGELS BAR SO THAT YOU COULD HAVE FIGHTS OUT IN FRONT OF THAT, SHORTENING OUT THE SPEED SO THAT WE COULD GO AHEAD AND HAVE TRAFFIC P**S OFF PEOPLE SO THAT WE START GETTING ANGRY AT EACH OTHER.
THESE ARE ACTIONS THAT YOU THANKS MR. GAMMAR, APPRECIATE IT.
UM, BEFORE I CALLED THE LAST THREE SPEAKERS, WE DID RECEIVE SEVEN EMAILS, WHICH I DID FORWARD TO YOU.
SIX WERE AGAINST, AND ONE IN SUPPORT OF THE POST.
AND THE LAST THREE SPEAKERS ARE ELENA CLEMENTE, JOSE UNA, AND JIM URIBE WILL NOT BE SPEAKING.
SO IF MR. JOSE KUNA AND JIM URIBE COULD PLEASE COME DOWN.
I CAME TO THIS COUNTRY AT THREE YEARS OLD AND IT'S BEEN A JOURNEY DEFINED BY HARD WORK, BUT ALSO LUCK.
I WAS LUCKY MY FATHER WAS GIVING A VISA TO ENTER AND I WAS LUCKY HE WAS SPONSORED OVER HIS GREEN CARD.
BUT IT WAS HARD WORK THAT ADMITTED ME TO GREAT SCHOOLS AND HARD WORK THAT ENABLES ME TO WRITE CODE SHIPPED TO BILLIONS OF PEOPLE MORE.
I MO MOST IMMIGRANTS LOVE THIS COUNTRY AND WOULD LOVE TO COME HERE LEGALLY, BUT MANY ARE NOT SO FORTUNATE.
WITHOUT SAID LUCK, I COULD EASILY BE
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SEEN AS AN ENEMY, AS AN ILLEGAL WHO DIDN'T DO THINGS THE RIGHT WAY.HAD I NOT SECURED CITIZENSHIP BEFORE THIS ADMINISTRATION AND THE RESOLUTION BEING PROPOSED TODAY, A SINGLE CALL TO ICE A SINGLE ACCUSATION WOULD'VE BEEN DISASTROUS.
WE ALL KNOW THAT DETENTION CAMPS ABROAD ARE NOT MEANT TO EMPOWER DUE PROCESS.
THE LAW IS ALREADY WRITTEN TO HOLD UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANTS ACCOUNTABLE.
IF THEY BREAK THE LAW, THEY CAN BE ARRESTED, PROSECUTED AND DEPORTED.
STRENGTHENING LAW, LAW ENFORCEMENT, LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT, TIES TO ICE WILL NOT IMPROVE SAFETY, WHICH IS SOMETHING WE ALL WANT, BUT WILL NOT BE ACHIEVED THROUGH THE RESOLUTION.
YOUR INTENT IS TO TARGET VIOLENT CRIMINALS.
AND THE REALITY IS A YES VOTE WILL ONLY HURT INNOCENT LIVES, SPREAD FEAR AND DIVIDE COMMUNITIES.
WE NEED POLICIES THAT FOSTER UNITY AND NOT SUSPICION THE PROPOSED CHANGES WOULD NEEDLESSLY HURT AND ALREADY MARGINALIZED COMMUNITY OF LAW ABIDING IMMIGRANTS WHO SIMPLY HAVEN'T HAD THE CHANCE TO BE, UH, CHANCE TO BE ON A GIVEN PATHWAY TO LEGAL STATUS.
YET, BECAUSE US IMMIGRANTS DOCUMENTS OR UNDOCUMENTED ARE NOT THE ENEMY, STATISTICALLY WE COMMIT CRIMES AT A LOWER RATE TO THE NON-IMMIGRANTS.
WE ARE HARD WORKERS WHO JUST WANT TO GIVE OUR CHILDREN THE OPPORTUNITIES WE DIDN'T HAVE OURSELVES.
AND I ASKED THE COUNCIL, HOW IS THAT SO DIFFERENT THAN HOW YOU GUYS LIVE YOUR LIVES? I URGE YOU TO VOTE NO ON THE RESOLUTION.
WELL, SIR, COUNCIL MEMBERS, UH, FIRST OF ALL, I DO SUPPORT THE, UH, PROPOSED RESOLUTIONS.
HOWEVER, I DO WISH THAT THERE HAD BEEN A CHANGE AND THAT CHANGE WOULD'VE BEEN IN THAT FIRST SECTION, WHICH READS, UH, CITY INTENDS TO FOLLOW, UH, FEDERAL LAW.
IT SHOULD HAVE SAID THE CITY WILL MAKE AN EFFORT IN FOLLOWING THE LAW, THE FEDERAL LAW.
NOW, I WAS BROUGHT UP WHERE THE, UH, FEDERAL LAW SUPERSEDES, UH, STATE AND LOCAL LAWS.
AND THIS WAS BROUGHT UP IN OUR CONSTITUTION IN ARTICLE SIX, UH, PARAGRAPH TO WHERE THE, UH, FEDERAL LAW SUPERSEDES THE OTHER LAWS IN THE LAND.
UM, NOW I'M NOT AN ATTORNEY, BUT I KNOW HOW TO READ THE LAW.
UH, SENATE BILL, UH, 54TH, I BELIEVE NEEDS TO BE TESTED IN THE COURTS, UH, SYSTEM.
UM, I BELIEVE THAT THIS IS NOT A LEGAL ISSUE.
IT'S NOT A LEGAL ISSUE, BUT IT'S A SOCIAL ISSUE.
NOW, I'VE BEEN, I'VE LIVED IN THE CITY OF EL CAJON FOR OVER 50 YEARS.
I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF, UH, TURMOIL AND SOCIAL ISSUES, BUT THIS IS NOT A LEGAL ISSUE.
MAYOR, MAYOR, WITH YOUR PERMISSION, IF WE COULD CALL ONE SPEAKER WHO WAS CALLED BEFORE, UM, BUT SHE MISSED HER OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.
AND THAT'S THE LAST ONE THOUGH.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK.
MY NAME IS JULIANNE GUSTAFSON LIRA.
UH, IN 1931, UH, MEXICANS WERE ROUNDED UP FROM HOSPITALS, CITIES, HOMES.
THEY, THEY WENT OUT TO THE FIELDS, THEY PICKED THE PEOPLE UP, THEY SUMMARILY PUT THEM IN IN BOX CART, IN, IN TRUCKS, AND THEY TRUCKED THEM SUMMARILY TO MEXICO PRIMARILY.
THOSE WERE THE ONES THAT WERE, UH, UH, POINTED AT AS, UH, HAVING BEING TOO MANY HERE OR HAVING PROBLEMS, OR GIVING PROBLEMS TO THE PEOPLE.
ANYWAY, UH, ONE OF 'EM WAS MY GRANDFATHER.
HE WAS, UH, TAKEN OUT OF THE HOSPITAL, SENT TO MEXICO CITY.
UM, MY GRANDMOTHER, UH, DESPAIRING, SHE WENT AFTER HIM WITH MY MOTHER AND MY AUNT.
BOTH OF THEM WERE BORN IN THE UNITED STATES.
ONE OF 'EM WAS IN 1923, THE OTHER ONE WAS IN 1926.
THEY HAD BEEN HERE SINCE 1915.
WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS THAT, UH, UH, PEOPLE THAT DO NOT LEARN HISTORY AND DO NOT REMEMBER HISTORY, IT WILL BE, IT WILL BE, UH, AS WE CAN SEE, IT'LL BE DONE AGAIN.
AND WE NEED TO LEARN FROM THAT.
UH, IT'S KIND OF INTERESTING TO, UM, SAY THAT FEDERAL LAW TRUMPS, UH, STATE LAWS WHEN IT IS, UH, TO OUR CONVENIENCE AND WHEN WE WANNA PASS SOMETHING.
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BACK TO THIS COUNTRY IN 1954 AND WE HAVE PROSPERED.WAS THERE ANY MORE? NO MORE, SIR.
UM, OPEN TO DISCUSSION, MR. GARRETT.
UH, QUESTION FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY.
UH, SB 54 WAS CHALLENGED IN FEDERAL COURT, UH, BACK IN 2017, I THINK.
UH, AND COULD YOU TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT? I WILL TRY THE SS YES.
SB 54 WAS CHALLENGED, UM, BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND IN A FEDERAL COURT HERE IN, UM, CALIFORNIA.
AND I GOT A LOT OF FEEDBACK APPARENTLY.
BUT, UM, THE CASE ENDED UP THROUGH DISTRICT COURT, UH, BEING RULED, UM, CONSTITUTIONAL, UH, WITH CERTAIN LIMITATIONS.
THERE WERE, THERE WAS A PORTION OF, LEMME TAKE IT BACK.
THERE WERE THREE LAWS THAT WERE CHALLENGED AT THE SAME TIME, ALL RELATED TO SIMILAR IMMIGRATION ISSUES.
UM, AFTER THE DISTRICT COURT MADE ITS DECISION THAT THE, UH, NINTH CIRCUIT COURT PANEL, UH, AFFIRMED THE, UH, CONSTITUTIONALITY OF SB 54 IN THE LIGHT OF THE CHALLENGE BY THE US GOVERNMENT AND THE US GOVERNMENT PETITION FOR, UM, REVIEW BY THE US SUPREME COURT.
SO THE, THE NINTH CIRCUIT LAW FOR US IS AT SB 54 IS LEGAL.
SO THE FEDERAL COURT SAID IT IS LEGAL AND THAT'S THE LAW OF THE LAND IN CALIFORNIA.
YEAH, THEY SAID THAT THE, UM, THERE WERE A LOT OF ARGUMENTS MADE BY THE US GOVERNMENT.
UH, ONE WAS A SUPREMACY CLAUSE OF THE US CONSTITUTION.
WE'VE HEARD THAT, UH, BEING USED IN THIS, THESE PROCEEDINGS.
THE COURT FOUND THAT, UM, THAT THAT DID NOT APPLY.
IT APPLIED TO IMMIGRATION LAW ITSELF, BUT DOES NOT APPLY TO STATE LAWS THAT AREN'T IN CONFLICT WITH THAT, UH, THAT, UH, FEDERAL LAW AND WENT TO GREAT, A GREAT AMOUNT OF DETAIL TO DESCRIBE HOW THAT DID NOT APPLY IN THIS CASE.
AND, UH, THAT HELPED TO AFFIRM, UM, THE, UH, VALIDITY OF SB 54.
THERE WAS, THERE WAS A, THERE WAS A DESCRIPTION OF VIOLATIONS OF THE CONSTITUTION OF, OF, UM, IF, IF IT, IF THE US GOVERNMENT COULD, COULD PLACE ITS, WELL IF THE UF US GOVERNMENT COULD TAKE ITS POSITION THAT THE SUPREMACY CLAUSE ALLOWED THEM TO SEEK THE COOPERATION AND ASSISTANCE OF LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES, WHICH SB 54 SAID, NO, THAT'S NOT WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN.
UH, AND THE, UM, THE COURT FOUND THAT THE 10TH AMENDMENT AGAINST COME, UH, COMMANDEERING.
IN OTHER WORDS, THE SEPARATION OF POWERS BETWEEN THE STATE AND FEDERAL GOVERNMENTS, UH, PROVIDES THAT THE, THE FEDS CAN'T STEP INTO THE STATE'S BUSINESS, THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND THE STATE'S BUSINESSES AND, UH, THAT ARE RESERVED TO THE STATES UNDER THE CONSTITUTION.
UM, BUT AGAIN, THAT'S THE LAW OF THE LAND.
WHAT SB 54 AND, UH, QUESTION FOR THE CITY MANAGER, IF THIS RESOLUTION PASSES, WHAT WOULD BE DIFFERENT IN THAT, WHAT WE WOULD DO IN, UH, ORDERING THE POLICE PROCEDURES AND POLICY? SO, SO AS, YOU KNOW, IN A COUNCIL MANAGER FORM OF GOVERNMENT, THE CITY COUNCIL ESTABLISHES POLICY AND THE CITY MANAGER AND STAFF THEN, UM, ADMINISTER THAT POLICY OR, OR IMPLEMENT THAT POLICY.
THE, ON A DAY-TO-DAY FUNCTION, OUR OPERATIONS WOULDN'T CHANGE WITH OR WITHOUT THE RESOLUTION.
BUT WITH A LOT OF RESOLUTIONS, THERE'S SOME VALUE IN AT LEAST STAFF UNDERSTANDING THE POLICY DESCRIPTION OF THE, OR THE POLICY DIRECTION OF THE COUNCIL, ESPECIALLY 'CAUSE WE CAN FORESEE SOME PARTS OF SB 54 BEING CHALLENGED.
WE CAN SEE THAT THIS CONFLICT BETWEEN THE STATE AND FEDERAL GOVERNMENT BECOMING MORE EMBROILED AND MORE COMPLICATED.
SO HAVING AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHERE THE COUNCIL FEELS ABOUT IT HAS SOME VALUE TO US.
BUT ON A DAY-TO-DAY OPERATION, UH, WE DON'T CHANGE THE WAY WE OPERATE TOMORROW IF THIS PASSES TODAY.
AND, UH, QUESTION FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY.
UH, THERE WAS SOME MIS MISINFORMATION
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TO DISTRIBUTED SAYING THAT WE WERE A SANCTUARY CITY.ARE WE A SANCTUARY CITY? NO, WE HAVE NEVER.
IN THE 25 YEARS I'VE BEEN THE LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.
IN THE NEARLY 25 YEARS THAT I HAVE BEEN CITY ATTORNEY, NOT ONCE HAS THE COUNCIL ADOPTED A RESOLUTION ORDINANCE OR ANYTHING ELSE POLICY THAT SAYS THAT THE CITY IS A SANCTUARY CITY.
OH, I I DO HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION, UH, FOR EITHER THE CITY MANAGER OR UH, CITY ATTORNEY, WHICH WHICHEVER ONE OF YOU FEEL IS MOST APPROPRIATE TO ANSWER IT.
OUR POLICE ARE CERTIFIED BY THE STATE, AREN'T THEY? THROUGH POST THEY RECEIVE A POST CER CERTIFICATION.
SO IF A POLICE OFFICER, UH, VIOLATE SB UH, 54, UH, IS IT POSSIBLE THAT THEIR CERTIFICATION COULD BE REMOVED AND THEY CAN'T BE A POLICE OFFICER IN THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA ANYMORE? AS I RECALL, THE STATE HAS THE ABILITY TO PROSECUTE POLICE OFFICERS.
I DON'T RECALL WHAT THAT POTENTIAL PUNISHMENT INCLUDES.
DOES IT INCLUDE DECERTIFY DE CERTIFYING THEM WITH THEIR POST CERTIFICATE? THERE MAY BE A PROVISION IN THERE.
I KNOW SOME COUNCIL MEMBERS SPEND A LOT OF TIME LOOKING AT SB 54 2.
UM, SO I DON'T KNOW IF THE ANSWER TO THAT, BUT I COULD FIND IT BY THE END OF THE MEETING.
ANYBODY ELSE? OH, I DO HAVE, I'LL SAY ONE OTHER THING.
AND THIS IS IN DEFENSE OF MICHELLE MITCHELL, WHO I'VE BEEN TALKING TO A LOT ABOUT THIS.
I JUST WANT TO TELL YOU SOME OF THE MESSAGES THAT WERE LEFT ON MICHELLE, I CAN ONLY TALK TO ONE OTHER COUNCIL MEMBER ABOUT THIS ISSUE.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF STEVE GOT THESE OR NOT, BUT I'M JUST GONNA READ SOME EXCERPTS FROM THIS, FROM SOME OF THE PHONE MESSAGES I GOT ON MY CITY, UH, PHONE LINE.
I'M NOT GONNA READ IT ALL 'CAUSE IT IS SO PROFANE.
SO I'M GONNA JUST TAKE SOME EXCERPTS.
YOU'RE A RETARDED FAT PIECE OF S AND I'M GONNA MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE KNOWS ABOUT THAT VOTE YOU MADE.
UH, WHY DID YOU VOTE? HERE'S ANOTHER ONE.
WHY DID YOU VOTE NO TO GET RID OF ALL THE DIRTY STINKING ILLEGAL ALIENS? THEY CAUSE PROBLEMS. THE MAJORITY.
THE MAJORITY OF YOU ARE TRAITORS TO THIS COUNTRY AND ALL YOUR INFORMATION IS PUBLIC.
UH, YOU ARE A RETARDED PEOPLE WHO CAUSING PERMANENT DAMAGE TO EVERYBODY AROUND YOU THROUGH YOUR IGNORANT RETARDATION.
AND YOUR MOTHER IS A FING W***E.
SO, UH, IF SOMEONE, I, I'VE BEEN IN PUBLIC OFFICE FOR 25 YEARS, SO I HAVE A PRETTY THICK SKIN.
MICHELLE'S BEEN HERE FOUR YEARS AND SHE'S A KIND, COMPASSIONATE PERSON.
AND THESE KIND OF COMMENTS CAN REALLY GET TO SOMEBODY.
AND THIS IS ONLY A FEW OF THEM.
WE GOT LOTS OF COMMENTS AND EMAILS LIKE THIS.
AND I AM DISGUSTED THAT AS SUCH OF AN ATTACK ON THE DEMOCRATIC PROCESS THROUGH, THROUGH THIS, THESE ATTEMPTS AT INTIMIDATION AND THE THREATS THAT COMPLETELY AGAINST AMERICAN DEMOCRACY.
SO, UH, IF ANY OF YOU KNOW ANY OF THESE PEOPLE, WHY DON'T YOU HAVE A WORD WITH THEM? THANK YOU, MR. WELL, I HAVE THE ANSWER TO MR. KENDRICK'S QUESTION.
SO, SB 54 DOES NOT EXPRESSLY, UM, DD CERTIFY A POLICE OFFICER.
BUT UNDER THE POST REQUIREMENTS UNDER SB TWO, THERE ARE SOME PROVISIONS THAT SAY IF YOU VIOLATE STATE LAW, UM, AND THERE'S ANOTHER PROVISION YOU HAVE, YOU CAN'T, THE STATE CAN TAKE OR DEMONSTRATE BIAS.
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ANOTHER, THE STATE CAN TAKE AWAY YOUR POST CERTIFICATION.YEAH, I DON'T WANNA PUT OUR POLICE OFFICERS IN JEOPARDY OR MAKE IT DIFFICULT FOR THEM TO DO THEIR JOB.
'CAUSE THEY REALLY NEED THE TRUST OF ALL THE PEOPLE IN THIS COMMUNITY.
AND WE, WE'VE GOT ABOUT 30% OF OUR POPULATION THAT ARE HISPANIC AND PROBABLY PRETTY CLOSE TO ANOTHER 30% THAT ARE FROM THE MIDDLE EAST.
AND THEY, OUR POLICE OFFICERS REALLY NEED THEIR COOPERATION WHEN IT COMES TO BEING WITNESSES, REPORTING CRIMES.
IF PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT WHITE HAVE TO GO TO THE HOSPITAL, BUT THEY'RE AFRAID TO GO TO THE HOSPITAL AND THEN, AND THEY GOT, THEY HAVE KIDS THAT ARE AFRAID TO GO TO SCHOOL AND, UH, A CHILD THAT CAN'T GO TO THE HOSPITAL OR TO CHURCH OR TO SUNDAY SCHOOL OR ANA'S, UH, I, I, I THINK THAT'S REALLY BAD.
AND WHAT THIS IS GONNA DO, IF THEY CAN'T GO TO THE CLINICS OR HOSPITALS, SOMEONE THAT HAS, UH, STREP THROAT, IT, IT TURNS INTO SCARLET FEVER AND THEY'RE INCREDIBLY INFECTIOUS AND THEY'LL BE INFECTING A LOT OF PEOPLE.
AND, UH, PEOPLE WON'T BE GETTING THEIR VACCINATIONS FOR MEASLES AND MUMPS AND CHICKENPOX AND, AND EVEN WORSE THINGS 'CAUSE THEY'RE AFRAID TO GO IN FOR A MEDICAL HELP.
THAT'S NOT HELPING OUR COMMUNITY AT ALL.
I REPRESENT EVERYBODY IN THIS CITY, AND I HAVE TO, I HAVE TO LOOK OUT FOR EVERYONE.
AND SB 54 ALLOWS FOR THE POLICE TO COOPERATE WITH ICE FOR VIOLENT CRIMINALS.
AND I THINK THAT'S A GOOD THING.
'CAUSE WE WANT TO GET, ALL OF US, I THINK WANNA GET THE VIOLENT CRIMINALS OUTTA HERE.
BUT YOU CAN SEE FROM ALL THE TROUBLE THAT THIS RESOLUTION HAS CAUSED ALL THE PEOPLE, IT'S GOTTEN REALLY UPSET.
THIS IS HURTING OUR COMMUNITY.
THIS ISN'T HELPING OUR COMMUNITY.
OKAY? PLEASE, PLEASE BE QUIET.
SO WHEN I WAS, UH, IN CHARGE OF THE PLAY-DOH TABLE AT SUNDAY SCHOOL WHEN MY SON WAS FIVE YEARS OLD, I WAS THINKING ABOUT THE OTHER DAY, WHAT WOULD I DO IF EL CAJON POLICE OFFICERS CAME IN THERE AND DRUG OUT SOME OF THOSE KIDS? OR IF THEY ASKED ME FOR A LIST OF THE NAMES OF ALL THE KIDS.
'CAUSE THEY'RE TRYING TO FIND A PERSON THAT'S UNDOCUMENTED OR THE THE CHILD OF AN UNDOCUMENTED PERSON.
SO, UH, I THINK THIS IS JUST A, A BAD, UH, RESOLUTION.
AND WHY IS IT THAT EL CAJON HAS TO BE THE SECOND CITY OUT OF THE 482 CITIES IN CALIFORNIA THAT, UH, THAT GO ALONG WITH SB 54? I MEAN, LA MESA, SANTI AND ALL THE OTHER CITIES IN SAN DIEGO COUNTY AREN'T ADDRESSING THIS.
LET'S SEE HOW THIS ALL WORKS OUT THROUGH THE COURTS.
AND I THINK THERE'S, THERE'VE BEEN SOME COMMENTS MADE ABOUT THE EXPENSE.
WE COULD END UP WITH LAWSUITS, YOU KNOW, GOING ON AND ON AND ON.
WE NEED TO HAVE MORE POLICE OFFICERS, NOT FEWER, BECAUSE THEY'RE, THEY'RE GONNA GO TO ANOTHER CITY WHERE THEY'RE NOT UNDER THE STRESS OF HAVING TO FIGURE OUT, OKAY, WHAT, WHAT LAW ARE WE GONNA COMPLY WITH? AND IT'S, WE HAVE A REALLY GREAT POLICE DEPARTMENT AND WE
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VET OUR POLICE OFFICERS PROBABLY BETTER THAN MOST CITIES IN SAN DIEGO COUNTY.'CAUSE ONLY TWO OUTTA 65 POLICE OFFICERS.
UH, ONLY TWO OUT OF 65 POLICE OFFICER APPLICANTS PASSED THE BACKGROUND CHECK.
SO THE, OUR POLICE OFFICERS HAVE BEEN VERY WELL VETTED, AND THAT'S WHAT MAKES A GOOD POLICE DEPARTMENT.
I WANNA KEEP EVERY POLICE OFFICER THAT WE HAVE, AND I DON'T WANNA PUT ANY MORE UNDUE STRESS UPON THEM.
WELL, FIRST OF ALL, UM, I'D LIKE TO THANK, UM, AUDRA AND MARCY.
AND THE YOUNG WOMAN IN THE FRONT ROW, I, I'M SORRY I DIDN'T CATCH HER NAME.
I'D LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR BRINGING UP, UH, MY BAD BEHAVIOR FOR THE LAST, UH, TWO WEEKS AGO.
I DID TRY TO APOLOGIZE, BUT I FAILED.
AND BETWEEN MARCY AND ARA, THEY SO GRACIOUSLY MADE SURE THE EMAIL THAT I HAD BETWEEN MARCY AND I I TRIED TO BE HUMAN AND VULNERABLE WAS SPREAD ON THE INTERNET.
SO THANK YOU FOR SPREADING THAT EMAIL ON THE INTERNET AND MAKING SURE THAT THE PUBLIC KNEW THAT AN ELECTED OFFICIAL WAS BEING HUMAN AND NOT JADED.
SO YOU GOT AN ELECTED OFFICIAL BEING HUMAN.
AND I WANNA THANK YOU FOR THAT.
AT THE SECOND THING IS THAT YES, AMY, WE HAVE THE SCREENSHOT OF YOU ON INSTAGRAM SAYING THAT.
COME BACK WHERE, WHERE YOU CAN CONTROL YOURSELF.
ALRIGHT, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, I KNOW EVERYBODY'S UPSET.
I KNOW EVERYBODY'S HEATED, BUT WE'RE GONNA TRY TO FINISH THIS MEETING.
OKAY? SO AT THIS POINT IT'S STILL MICHELLE'S MICROPHONE AND LET HER FINISH.
ALRIGHT, FAN, DID YOU WANNA SAY ANYTHING? YEAH, I'LL BE BRIEF.
UH, THIS HAS BEEN TWO MEETINGS THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED THIS.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, MY, MY I'M CLEAR ON THIS.
I WANT VIOLENT CRIMINALS REMOVED AND I HAVE BIG PROBLEMS WITH SB 54.
UM, I DON'T BELIEVE THEY MAKE OUR COMMUNITY SAFE.
AND EVERYONE'S GLOSSING OVER ALL THE OTHER CRIMES THAT SB 54 DOES NOT.
UM, TAKE INTO ACCOUNT, NONVIOLENT OFFENSES INCLUDE DUIS, ARSON, STREET, UH, ROBBERY, SHOPLIFTING, VANDALISM, THEFT, BURGLARY, BATTERY, UH, DISORDERLY CONDUCT, VANDALISM, SHOPLIFTING, FORGERY, RECEIVING STOLEN PROPERTY, KNOWING IT, FRAUD, DRUG OFFENSES.
THESE ARE ALL NONVIOLENT CRIMES THAT SB 54 DOES NOT ADDRESS.
AND IT'S A GAP IN THE SAFETY AND SECURITY OF OUR COMMUNITY.
AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND PEOPLE LEANING ON SB 54, LIKE IT'S THE KNOW ALL, BE ALL TO MAKE OUR OUR COMMUNITY SAFE.
AND I I I, I'M NOT GONNA BE PRESSURED INTO, UM, I'M NOT GONNA BE PRESSURED OR BULLIED OR SHOUTED INTO SAYING THAT THIS RESOLUTION IS SOMETHING THAT IT'S NOT.
THIS RESOLUTION IS TO GET VIOLENT CRIMINALS OFF THE STREET AND IT'S NOTHING ELSE.
AND IF PEOPLE WANT TO PROJECT FABRICATE, THEY, THEY, THEY CAN DO THAT ALL THEY WANT.
BUT THAT'S THE INTENTION, THAT'S THE DIRECTION THAT I WANT OUR POLICE OFFICERS TO, UH, TO, TO MOVE FORWARD WITH.
UM, AND THE GENERALIZATIONS HERE ARE, ARE CRAZY.
UH, THE, THE GENERALIZATIONS OF EVERY IMMIGRANT IS A CRIMINAL.
UM, THE GENERALIZATION THAT I HATE MEXICANS, AGAIN, NOT TRUE.
AND SO I'M NOT CONVINCED OF THE ARGUMENTS THAT I'VE HEARD.
'CAUSE A LOT OF THEM ARE JUST CONJECTURE AND DIS UH, INTELLECTUALLY
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DISHONEST.UM, SO, UH, I IT'S, IT'S, IT'S SADDENING THAT, THAT AND THE DIVISION THAT I'M FEELING, UM, IS FROM BOTH SIDES.
AND I'M GARY, I'M SORRY YOU GOT THOSE VOICEMAILS.
YOU KNOW, UM, I I THINK SOME OF 'EM WERE IN THE GENERAL EMAIL BOX OR VOICEMAIL BOX.
I'M SORRY YOU HAD TO GET THOSE.
UM, BUT I'M, I'M, I, AND THEN MY LAST COMMENT IS I APPRECIATE STEVE BEING THOUGHTFUL, UM, AND HIS COMMITMENT TO, UH, BALANCING BOTH SIDES OF WHAT WE'VE BEEN HEARING.
UM, SO THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS AND THAT'S IT.
UH, THERE WAS ONE THING THAT, UH, I THINK HAD A HINT OF OUR POLICE ACTING WRONG, AND I'M GONNA CLEAR THAT UP.
THIS IS THE GUSTAVO AND HAMSHAW INCIDENT ON FEBRUARY 6TH, SEVEN 20 IN WHICH IT WAS REPORTED THERE WAS A CHECKPOINT.
AND THAT, UH, IT INFERRED THAT WE WERE ASKING PEOPLE FOR THEIR CREDENTIALS.
UH, I CHECKED WITH OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT, WE HAD NO DETAILS AT THAT PLACE, AT THAT DATE AND TIME.
OUR POLICE WERE NOT INVOLVED IN THAT SITUATION.
IT COULD HAVE BEEN SOME OTHER AGENCY, BUT IT WAS NOT OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT.
SO LET'S BE TRUTHFUL ABOUT, UH, ABOUT OUR POLICE.
I, I SAID WHAT I SAID ABOUT THE BEGINNING, MY POSITION HASN'T CHANGED.
IT'S ABOUT PUBLIC SAFETY AND, AND REALLY WHAT, WHAT I WANT.
IF THERE'S ANY ONE OF THESE 647,000, UH, ON THE US IMMIGRATION TO CUSTOMER ENFORCEMENT LETTER DATED SEPTEMBER 25TH, AND IT LISTS ON HERE 425,000 CONVICTED CRIMINALS NOT DETAINED, 222,000 PENDING CRIMINAL CHARGES FOR A TOTAL OF 647,000.
IF THEY ARE LIVING LIZ GEMMA, PLEASE, IF THEY ARE LIVING IN OUR COMMUNITY, WE NEED THEM OUT.
AND WE NEED SB 54 CHANGED SO THAT WE CAN GET THEM OUT.
WE CAN'T JUST WAIT FOR THEM TO RUN A RED LIGHT OR DO SOMETHING IF YOU ARE A KNOWN CONVICTED CRIMINAL.
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, I CAN STOP THE MEETING AGAIN.
DO WE NEED TO STOP THE MEETING AGAIN? THIS IS ABOUT, I'M LETTING YOU DECIDE THIS IS ABOUT PUBLIC SAFETY FOR ME.
SO YOU'VE HEARD MY THOUGHTS IN THE BEGINNING.
UH, I WILL SUPPORT THE RESOLUTION BECAUSE I, UH, FOUND AN AMENDMENT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE COVER THE BACKS OF OUR POLICE OFFICERS WHO HAVE OUR BACKS.
I WAS REALLY SURPRISED THAT THIS RESOLUTION WAS EVEN, UH, CONTROVERSIAL.
THIS SHOULD HAVE BEEN A, A NO BRAINER.
WE ARREST SOMEBODY FOR DOING SOMETHING BAD THAT DOES NOT BELONG INTO THIS COUNTRY.
WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO GET THEM OUTTA THIS COUNTRY.
BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHAT? IF WE BOOK THEM DOWNTOWN, EVEN IF THEY COMMIT A PRETTY SERIOUS CRIME, THEY'RE PROBABLY BACK ON THE STREET IN TWO HOURS.
IT IS MY JOB TO DO EVERYTHING I CAN TO PROTECT THE PEOPLE OF EL CAJON.
IT'S ALSO MY JOB TO REPRESENT THE PEOPLE OF EL CAJON, 57% OF WHICH SAID THAT THEY WANT TO CHANGE.
AMERICA IS IN THE PROCESS OF CHANGE.
AMERICA IS IN, IN THE PROCESS OF PUTTING AMERICA FIRST AGAIN.
SOME PEOPLE ARE NOT GONNA LIKE THAT.
SOME PEOPLE ARE GONNA LOSE MONEY.
SOME PEOPLE ARE GONNA LOSE STATUS.
SOME PEOPLE WHO, WHOSE ETIOLOGY IS GOING TO BE CHALLENGED BY IT.
THOSE OF YOU WHO CAME AND WERE COMPLETELY INTELLECTUALLY DISHONEST, COMPLETELY DISINGENUOUS, MADE THINGS UP AT A WHOLE CLOTH, YOU ARE NOT DOING YOUR CAUSE.
ANY GOOD PEOPLE JUST TUNE YOU OUT BECAUSE THEY KNOW YOU'RE LIARS.
AT THIS POINT, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE THE MOTION TO PROVE THE RESOLUTION.
YOU'RE NOT SECOND, MOVE THE SECOND PLEASE VOTE.
MOTION PASSES BY A THREE TO VOTE WITH COUNCIL MEMBER KENDRICK AND MITCHELL VOTING NO.
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OKAY.TELL YOUR WIFE NOT TO TAKE PICTURES OF US WIFE TAKING.
I WANT PEOPLE WHO THIS BRINGS US TO YOUR LADIES.
THERE ARE NO GENERAL INFORMATION ITEMS OF TODAY'S AGENDA.
NO FIRST OR SECOND MEETING ORDINANCES AND NO CLOSED SESSION.
THIS BRINGS US TO THE ADJOURNMENT OF THE REGULAR JOINT MEETING OF THE OKLAHOMA CITY COUNCIL.
OKLAHOMA HOUSING AUTHORITY SUCCESSOR AGENCY TO THE OKLAHOMA REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY.
AGENCY HELD THIS 11TH, FEBRUARY, 2025 IS AJOUR UNTIL TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 25TH, 2025 AT 3:00 PM.