Jan 28, 2025 City Council Meeting 3pm

ORDERS OF ADJOURNMENT OF THE JANUARY 14TH, 2025 MEETING AND THE AGENDA OF THE JANUARY 28TH, 2025 MEETING IN ACCORDANCE WITH STATE LAW COUNCIL POLICY AND HOUSING AUTHORITY POLICY.

THE CITY CLERK POSTED

[ POSTINGS: The City Clerk posted Orders of Adjournment of the January 14, 2025, Meeting and the Agenda of the January 28, 2025, Meeting in accordance to State Law and City Council/Housing Authority/Successor Agency to the Redevelopment Agency Policy.]

BEFORE WE CONTINUE WITH THE MEETING, I'D LIKE TO ONCE AGAIN INVITE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TO ATTEND THE 2025 STATE OF THE CITY ADDRESS.

THE EVENT WILL BE HELD ON TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 18TH, 2025 AT 6:00 PM AT THE RONALD REAGAN COMMUNITY CENTER THAT'S LOCATED AT 1 95 EAST DOUGLAS AVENUE.

JOIN US AS WE REFLECT ON THE ACCOMPLISHMENTS OF THE PAST YEAR AND SHARE WHAT'S COMING IN THE YEAR AHEAD.

THERE ARE NO PRESENTATIONS ON TODAY'S AGENDA, AND NOW

[ AGENDA CHANGES:]

WE'RE AT AGENDA CHANGES.

STAFF, DO YOU HAVE ANY AGENDA CHANGES, MR. MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL? A COUPLE OF CHANGES TO THE AGENDA I'D RECOMMEND ONE IS THERE ARE TWO, UM, CLOSED SESSION ITEMS WE CAN PULL OFF.

AGENDA ITEM, CLOSED SESSION, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 19 FROM THE AGENDA.

SO I'D RECOMMEND WE DO THAT.

UM, STAFF ALSO IS ABLE, DEPENDING ON HOW LONG PUBLIC COMMENT GOES ON, UH, AGENDA NUMBER NINE, STAFF WOULD BE ABLE TO POSTPONE AGENDA ITEMS 10, 11, AND 12.

BUT PERHAPS WE SEE WHERE WE'RE AT IN THE MEETING TO DETERMINE WHETHER THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN.

BUT IF COUNCIL NEEDS TO DO THAT, WE CAN DO THAT.

UM, THE COUNCIL ALSO MAY RECALL, WE DO HAVE A FIRE WORKSHOP AT SIX O'CLOCK THIS EVENING.

WE ARE READY TO GO.

I THINK THE COUNCIL'S READY TO GO.

THE CHALLENGE IS THAT IN ORDER FOR LABOR REPRESENTATION TO BE HERE, THEY'RE HAVING TO GET PEOPLE TO COVER FROM OUTSIDE THE AREA.

THERE COULD BE SOME VALUE FOR, FOR THEM PLAYING IT BY EAR.

DIFFICULT THING TO DO.

THEY KIND OF NEED EITHER NEED TO KNOW NOW OR LATER OR NOW WHETHER WE'RE GONNA DO IT OR NOT.

UM, COUNSEL, I'D RECOMMEND WE POSTPONE THE SIX O'CLOCK WORKSHOP.

UM, THEN WE'RE NOT BUMPING UP AGAINST ANY TIME AND WE CAN JUST RE GET THAT RESCHEDULED WITH THE CA CITY COUNCIL.

IF, IF THE COUNCIL'S OKAY WITH THAT, AS YOU SAY, UM, WE NEED TO DO, UM, CLAY'S PRESENTATION FIRST.

YEAH, BUT IT COUNSEL, DO YOU WANT TO, I GUESS I'M LOOKING FOR SOME FEEDBACK.

YEAH, LIKE I SAID, WE ARE READY.

THIS STAFF IS READY TO GO.

UM, I I JUST DON'T WANNA PRECLUDE THE LABOR GROUP FROM PARTICIPATING IN THE EVENT.

IT DOESN'T HAPPEN.

YEAH, WELL, YOU KNOW, MY FEELING IS WE'RE READY TO GO.

WE'RE READY TO DO IT.

I THINK THAT WE POSSIBLY COULD GET THERE.

I'LL LET THEM KNOW THAT THEN.

BUT, UM, JUST, IT HAS TO BE A LITTLE FLUID.

IT MIGHT BE HALF AN HOUR, IT MIGHT BE AN HOUR LATER THAN THE TIME WE ANTICIPATED THE BEGINNING.

I CAN LET THEM KNOW THAT IT, ONE MORE COMMENT.

I'D, I'D PREFER TO CONDUCT THE FIRE WORKSHOP OVER ITEMS 10, 11, AND 12.

UM, SO IF THE COUNCIL IS OKAY WITH FOREGOING THOSE THREE, TABLING THEM IN ORDER TO DO, SET THE PRIORITY AS THE FIRE WORKSHOP, I, I PROPOSE THAT, UH, CLAY, WHAT, WHAT'S, WHAT'S YOUR NUMBER? UH, EIGHT.

EIGHT.

OUR AUDIT IS EIGHT.

WE'RE NOW CONSENT ITEMS, CONT CONSENT ITEMS OF ROUTINE MATTERS ENACTED BY ONE MOTION ACCORDING TO THE RECOMMENDATION OF LIST BELOW, WITH CONCURRENCE OF THE CITY COUNCIL, COUNCIL MEMBER OR PERSON IN ATTENDANCE MAY REQUEST DISCUSSION OF A CONSENT ITEM AT THIS TIME.

SO LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, I, I KNOW WHY YOU'RE HERE TODAY.

WE'RE GONNA GET TO THAT.

I JUST HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF HOUSEKEEPING FOR, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO START WITH ONE, UH, ONE REPORT THAT WE CAN'T PUSH OFF, AND THEN WE'LL GET TO THE MEAT OF WHAT WE'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT.

BEFORE I DO THAT THOUGH, LET ME JUST SEE, UH, COUNCIL MEMBERS, DO YOU WISH TO, UM, MAKE ANY AGENDA CHANGES? OKAY,

[7. CONSENT ITEMS: Consent Items are routine matters enacted by one motion according to the RECOMMENDATION listed below. With the concurrence of the City Council, a Council Member or person in attendance may request discussion of a Consent Item at this time.]

COUNCIL MEMBERS, DO YOU WISH TO PULL ANY OF THE CONSENT ITEMS, STAFF? NO, SIR.

UM, THEN I'D LIKE TO MAKE A, UH, LEMME SEE IF WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS FOR THAT ITEM.

YES, SIR.

WE HAVE ONE SPEAKER CARD FOR ITEM FOUR, AND IT'S FROM ALLEGEDLY AUDRA.

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GOOD.

UH, YOU SHOULD BE ON.

SO, HELLO.

THERE WE GO.

UM, YOU KNOW, WITH BEAUTIFICATION, I THINK THAT IS NICE AND ALL, BUT I THINK THERE'S ALSO A LOT OF OTHER ISSUES THAT COULD BE DEALT WITH, UM, THAT ARE TAKING PLACE ALL AROUND THE COUNTY.

I MEAN, I FEEL, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ABOUT TO BE A POINT IN TIME COUNT FOR THE HOMELESS.

THERE'S PEOPLE SUFFERING ON THE STREETS, AND, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE SIT AND WANNA BEAUTIFY EVERYTHING AND NOT REALLY FOCUS ON THINGS LIKE THE LIVES OF PEOPLE AND MAKING SURE THAT THEY'RE IN A SAFE PLACE, THAT THEY'RE ABLE TO, UM, HAVE A SHELTER OVER THEIR HEAD.

IT'S ALMOST KIND OF LIKE A SLAP IN THE FACE TO BE LIKE, I WANT THIS LOOK TO LOOK PRETTY, BUT I DON'T CARE THAT YOU HAVE A PLACE TO LIVE.

AND I THINK WE NEED TO GET OUR PRIORITIES STRAIGHT BECAUSE IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, WHEN PEOPLE ARE SUFFERING LIKE THAT, I MEAN, WHAT IF IT WAS YOU GUYS? WHAT IF YOU WERE THE ONE ON THE STREETS AND YOU'RE, YOU'RE SEEING KIND OF STUFF LIKE THAT TAKE PLACE AND YOU'RE WONDERING WHY THERE ISN'T MONEY BEING SPENT ON THE PEOPLE THAT REALLY NEED IT.

SO I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, MORE, UH, UH, COMMISSIONS OR BOARDS OR COUNCILS NEED TO BE MORE MINDFUL OF THE SUFFERING THAT GOES ON.

I MEAN, BECAUSE YOU GUYS GET A HOME TO GO TO, YOU GET TO EAT EVERY DAY, YOU GET TO, UH, BE OUT OF THE ELEMENTS WHERE OTHER PEOPLE ARE JUST KIND OF HOPING TO HAVE THAT, AND THEY'LL BE PUT ON A LIST.

AND SOMETIMES IT CAN TAKE LIKE 10 YEARS IN ORDER FOR THEM TO GET A PLACE.

SO, I MEAN, AGAIN, IT'S NOT THAT YOU SHOULDN'T WANT TO DO THAT.

'CAUSE OF COURSE YOU WANT A PLACE TO LOOK BEAUTIFUL.

BUT I THINK THAT WHEN YOU KIND OF PUT YOURSELF IN SOMEBODY ELSE'S POSITION AND SEE, UH, KIND OF, AND, AND UNDERSTAND THEIR SUFFERING THAT YOU WOULD WANT TO DO BETTER FOR THEM AND NOT, YOU KNOW, MAKE 'EM WAIT ON A LIST FOR SUCH A LONG PERIOD OF TIME, BUT REALLY ENSURE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE A PLACE TO LAY THEIR HEAD DOWN AT NIGHT, THAT THEY'RE GONNA HAVE A MEAL, A WARM MEAL.

ESPECIALLY WHEN WE SPEND SO MUCH ON HOMELESSNESS, THE PROBLEM SHOULD GET BETTER.

INSTEAD IT GETS WORSE.

AND, AND THAT SHOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE FOCUS ON.

LIKE, WHY IS THAT? IT'S BECAUSE IT'S A BUSINESS JUST LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE.

THIS IS A BUSINESS HERE THAT YOU GUYS ARE RUNNING AND YOU TEND TO DO THINGS THAT WILL MAKE YOU LOOK BETTER TO THE PEOPLE INSTEAD OF REALLY THINKING ABOUT BEING ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE WHO IS SUFFERING AND MAKING SURE THAT THEY ALSO HAVE A HOME TO GO TO.

AND, UH, YEAH.

SO ANYHOW, THANKS.

THANKS, THANKS FOR COMING.

CAN I MAKE, MR. MAYOR, CAN I MAKE A QUICK, CAN I MAKE A QUICK COMMENT? SURE.

UH, WE HAVEN'T MET AUDRA.

MY NAME'S PHIL.

UM, I'M A COUNCILMAN HERE.

UM, WE SPEAK VERY FREQUENTLY ABOUT THE HOMELESS SITUATION, UM, AND THEIR EXPERIENCES.

I WAS HOMELESS IN COLLEGE.

UM, MY COLLEAGUE HERE, MICHELLE, WAS HOMELESS AS AN ADOLESCENT.

STEVE GOBEL BUILDS HOMELESS SHELTERS WITH HIS OWN TWO HANDS.

HE USES HIS OWN TOOLS AND GARY KENDRICK, UM, HOUSE HIS HOMELESS PEOPLE FORMALLY HOMELESS IN HIS HOUSE, IN HIS ROOMS. UM, AND BILL HAS BEEN A, UH, A MENTAL HEALTH PROFESSIONAL FOR DECADES, UM, HELPING HOMELESS PEOPLE.

SO I WOULD PUT OUR REPUTATION OF UNDERSTANDING HOMELESS PEOPLE UP AGAINST ANYBODY IN THE STATE.

UM, AND YOUR COMMENTS ARE TRUE.

UM, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY'RE ENTIRELY ACCURATE OF THIS BOARD.

UM, WE REALLY, REALLY TRY EXTREMELY HARD TO PUT EVERY SINGLE DOLLAR THAT WE HAVE.

AND IT'S A SMALL AMOUNT THAT WE GET RELATIVE TO WHAT THE STATE AND THE COUNTY GET, UM, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GETTING PEOPLE INTO PERMANENT HOUSING.

AND I, I THINK ITEM FOUR IS, UH, FROM TRANSNET FUNDS.

AND SO THOSE FUNDS ARE ONLY RESTRICTED TO, UM, CERTAIN PROJECTS.

AND THIS IS JUST STREET REPAIRS, POTHOLES AND STUFF.

AND THAT'S ONE OF OUR CORE FUNCTIONS WE SPEND AS, AS MUCH MONEY AS WE CAN ON HOMELESS MORE THAN ANY OTHER CITY PER CAPITA.

SO I APPRECIATE YOUR SENTIMENTS, I REALLY DO.

AND I, AND I LOVE WHAT YOU SAID.

UM, BUT, UM, I HAVEN'T MET YOU YET, AND SO I FELT THE NEED TO KIND OF INTRODUCE MYSELF AND CLARIFY.

SO THANK YOU FOR COMING.

THANKS, PHIL.

ANYBODY ELSE? OKAY, UH, THEN I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT ITEMS. SECOND, PLEASE VOTE.

PROBABLY GONNA BE A COUPLE HOURS, BUT, UH, I, I'M OPENING THIS UP AT, AT THIS POINT TO PUBLIC COMMENT FOR ANY, ANYTHING ELSE BESIDES THAT? YES, SIR.

WE'RE

[ PUBLIC COMMENT: At this time, any person may address a matter within the jurisdiction of the City Council/Housing Authority/Successor Agency to the El Cajon Redevelopment Agency that is not on the Agenda. Comments relating to items on today’s docket are to be taken at the time the item is heard. State law prohibits discussion or action on items not on the Agenda; however, Council, Authority and Agency Members may briefly respond to statements or questions. An item may be placed on a future Agenda.]

NOW AT PUBLIC COMM.

AT THIS TIME, ANY PERSON MAY ADDRESS A MATTER WITHIN THE JURISDICTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL HOUSING AUTHORITY SUCCESSOR AGENCY TO THE ALCOHOL REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY THAT IS NOT ON THE AGENDA.

COMMENTS RELATING TO ITEMS ON TODAY'S AGENDA ALREADY BE TAKEN AT THE TIME THE ITEM IS HEARD.

STATE LAW PROHIBITS DISCUSSION OR ACTION ON ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA.

HOWEVER, CITY COUNCIL HOUSING AUTHORITY MEMBERS MAY BRIEFLY RESPOND TO STATEMENTS OR QUESTIONS, AND AN ITEM MAY BE PLACED ON A FUTURE AGENDA.

AND, UM, IN REGARDS TO, I KNOW MOST OF YOU HERE TO SPEAK ABOUT THE RESOLUTION, UH, ABOUT, UH, IMMIGRATION.

UM, IF YOU COULD WAIT UNTIL WE GET TO THAT ITEM FOR THAT, 'CAUSE THAT'S

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WE HAVE, UH, SEVEN CARDS FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.

THE FIRST ONE IS FROM VIOLET BERRA.

HELLO, MAYOR AND CITY COUNCILMAN.

AS YOU GUYS KNOW, I AM AN CAJON RESIDENT AND I'M CURIOUS BECAUSE I HEARD ON THE NEWS SAY THAT WE'RE NOT A SANCTUARY CITY, AND I WANNA KNOW WHY AREN'T WE RESOLVING OUR HOMELESS ISSUE? I KNOW YOU SAY THAT WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING POSSIBLE, BUT I DO LIVE HERE.

I LIVE IN THE CITY, AND AS I DROVE PAST SECOND STREET, I COULD SEE IN THE WHOLE ENCAMPMENT OFF OF SECOND AND BACK AGAIN THROUGH THE FREEWAY RIGHT HERE OFF OF, UM, MADISON AND MAGNOLIA.

THE ENCAMPMENT IS BACK.

I KNOW THAT YOU GUYS CALLED CAN, CALLED CALTRAN TO COME AND, UM, PUT UM, GATES UP.

BUT OBVIOUSLY THAT DIDN'T HELP.

ALL THE HOMELESS ARE BACK OUT ON THE FREEWAY.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF I MENTIONED THIS LAST TIME THAT I CAME TO THE MEETING THAT WE ALMOST HIT A HOMELESS GUY RUNNING ACROSS THE FREEWAY.

AND I WANNA KNOW WHAT EXACTLY ARE YOU GUYS DOING? BECAUSE I'M LIVING THIS, AND THIS MORNING AT SEVEN 30 IN THE MORNING WHEN I WAS DROPPING OFF MY DAUGHTER IN SCHOOL, THERE WAS A PERSON IN THEIR CAR DRIVING, LIKE, ON FENTANYL, AND THEY HAPPENED TO STOP RIGHT IN MIDDLE OF THE STREET.

SO WE WEREN'T ABLE TO GO FORWARD.

SO WHAT ARE YOU GUYS DOING? BECAUSE I STILL SEE ALL THE HOMELESS AROUND HERE.

MR. MAYOR, I, I CAN COMMENT ON THAT FOR THE COUNSEL IF YOU'D LIKE.

THAT'S FINE.

BECAUSE I CANNOT, I CAN'T GO TO THE APP AND REPORT IT NO MORE.

SO I WANNA KNOW WHAT IS GONNA HAPPEN NOW THAT I CAN'T REPORT THE PROBLEM.

I'LL, I'LL DEFINITELY LET YOU GRAHAM, BUT LET ME, LET ME SAY SOMETHING FIRST.

THE REASON THERE'S SO MANY HOMELESS PEOPLE IN EL CAJON IS BECAUSE THERE'S SO MANY PEOPLE IN CALIFORNIA, 180,000 HOMELESS PEOPLE IN CALIFORNIA VERSUS OTHER STATES LIKE TEXAS WITH 25,000 IN NEW YORK WITH 25,000.

THE REASON THAT HAPPENS IS BECAUSE THE LIBERAL GOVERNMENT OF CALIFORNIA HAS MADE IT VERY EASY TO BE HOMELESS AND HAS, HAS, UH, REALLY WORKED TO ACCENTUATE THE HOMELESS LIFESTYLE BY GETTING RID OF, UH, CRI CRIMINAL CHARGES FOR MOST CRIMES.

AND BY FOCUSING ON HOUSING FIRST INSTEAD OF THE REAL PROBLEM FOR HOMELESSNESS, WHICH IS DRUG AND ALCOHOL ADDICTION.

SO THE REASON THAT WE HAVE SO MANY HOMELESS PEOPLE ON THE STREET IS NOT BECAUSE OF THE CITY OF EL CAJON OR ANY OF THE OTHER CITIES.

IT'S BECAUSE THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA HAS MADE IT THIS WAY.

AND IF YOU WANT IT TO CHANGE, THEN VOTE THE PEOPLE OUTTA SACRAMENTO WHO DID THIS TO US.

WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, WE'RE A CITY AND WE HAVE FUNDS FOR THAT.

OBVIOUSLY.

I WENT TO ALL THE MEETINGS THAT YOU GUYS SET FORWARD, AND I WANNA KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON HERE.

NOT IN THE WHOLE CITY OF CALIFORNIA, BUT YOU, BUT IT IS WHAT IS GOING ON IN EL CAJON? WHY, WHY ARE WE STILL SEEING ALL THIS POPULATION? OKAY, WE'RE, WE GOT A LONG MEETING, SO I UNDERSTAND THAT.

I DON'T, THIS IS IMPORTANT TO ME AS WHY I HERE.

IT'S, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT.

I DON'T WANNA HAVE A WORKSHOP ON THIS RIGHT NOW.

WE CAN, WE, WE CAN GIVE YOU ALL THE, BUT THIS IS PUBLIC.

THIS IS MY PLATFORM TO SPEAK.

WELL, WHAT I, I I TOLD YOU THE REASON AND WE, WE SPEND MORE MONEY ON HOMELESSNESS PER CAPITA THAN ANY OTHER CITY IN THIS REGION.

BUT GRAHAM, DID YOU WANNA SPEAK IT? I, WHAT EXACTLY IS BEING DONE AND WHY CAN'T I GO ON THE APP TO REPORT THIS AGAIN? I WAS, IT HASN'T BEEN FIXED SINCE THE LAST MEETING.

WOULD YOU BE RESPECTFUL IN THAT, GRAHAM, PLEASE SPEAK.

I WAS JUST GONNA REMIND THE CITY COUNCIL THAT, UM, WE HAVE SCHEDULED AT OUR NEXT COUNCIL MEETING, OUR SEMI-ANNUAL UPDATE.

SO WE PROVIDE AN UPDATE TO THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC EVERY SIX MONTHS.

UH, IT'LL BE ON NEXT AGENDA.

I'D ALSO ENCOURAGE, UH, RESIDENTS TO GO TO OUR CITY'S WEBSITE.

WE ACTUALLY HAVE A DASHBOARD THAT SHOWS ALL THE PROGRAMS THAT WE'RE WORKING, HOW OUR MONEY'S BEING SPENT.

WE'RE VERY TRANSPARENT ABOUT HOW THOSE, UH, PROGRAMS ARE FUN FUNCTIONING RIGHT NOW.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

NEXT SPEAKER IS DAVID RICHARDSON.

HELLO, MR. RICHARDSON.

A CITIZEN OF THE UNITED STATES, WHO WOULD, WHO CAME FORWARD TO SAY SOMETHING OF CHARITY AND WELCOME.

THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO YOU.

UH, I HAD WITNESSED BACK IN THE EIGHTIES A, UM, FIREBOMBING OF THE, UH, BAGHDAD CLUB.

I WAS SO MOVED BY THE FACT THAT OUR FRIENDS, THE CHALDEANS, WHO WERE REFUGEES FROM THE GREAT HORROR OF THE IRAN, I MEAN THE IRAQ WAR, AND I WAS MOTIVATED TO SPEAK, AND I HAVEN'T SPOKE ON THIS SUBJECT SINCE THEN, BUT, UH, I WENT TO TALK TO, UH, FATHER MICHAEL BAI AT ST.

MICHAEL'S, AND HE WAS, HE SAID, I WAS THE FIRST PERSON WHO WAS

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AND I WOULD ASK YOU, WHY DO WE NOT HAVE CHALDEANS ON THE CITY COUNCIL? WHY HAVE, WHY HAVE WE IGNORED THE CHRISTIAN CHARITY THAT THE CHALDEAN COMMUNITY HAS BROUGHT TO US? AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO, FOR AN OUTREACH TO THAT COMMUNITY, I KNOW WHY MANY, I'VE TALKED TO MANY FRIENDS IN THE KAL DIAN COMMUNITY, AND THEY SAY, WE ARE BUSINESS PEOPLE.

WE WERE LAWYERS, WE WERE DOCTORS.

WE WERE TERRORIZED BY THE REGIME OF SAD MASIN WHO USED TO BE FUNDED BY THE UNITED STATES, BY THE WAY.

AND IT IS IMPERATIVE THAT WE LOOK AT A WIDER RANGE OF HUMANITARIAN.

TERRY CHARITY.

I JUST WANNA POINT OUT TO YOU, SIR.

SIR, I JUST WANNA TELL YOU SOMETHING.

WE HAVE, WE'VE HAD TWO, UH, CAL COUNCIL MEMBERS IN IN THE PAST 10 YEARS.

NEXT SPEAKER IS JOEL PENON.

WE'VE, WE'VE NOT ONLY HAD TWO KDE COUNCIL MEMBERS, BUT WE JUST ISSUED A GRANT TO THE KDE COMMUNITY COUNCIL, UM, TO RUN OUR BUSINESS INCUBATOR AS WELL AS, UH, AS WELL AS, UH, PURCHASING A BUILDING FOR THEM TO OPERATE OUT OF FOR SOCIAL SERVICES.

YES, SIR.

WELCOME, MR. MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.

MY NAME IS JOEL PENON.

UM, IT'S MY FIRST TIME HERE, SO I APOLOGIZE.

BUT, UM, I JUST WANTED TO COME DOWN HERE.

I WASN'T SURE EVERYTHING THAT WAS TAKING PLACE TODAY, BUT, UM, AS, UM, GROWING UP IN EL CAJON, UM, I'VE SEEN THE CITY IMPACT MY LIFE AND THE PROGRAMS THAT THE CITY HAS.

I WAS HOMELESS AT A VERY YOUNG AGE.

I SLEPT AT WALLS PARK, BUT, UM, THE BOYS CLUB ACTUALLY PROBABLY SAVED MY LIFE .

BUT, UM, AND I PLAY A LOT OF SPORTS.

SO AS A NEW BUSINESS OWNER IN EL CAJON, UM, I JUST CAME DOWN HERE JUST TO SAY, HEY, I'M JOEL PISON AND I'M HERE TO STAND BEHIND, YOU KNOW, THE CITY COUNCIL MAYOR, AND JUST TELL YOU GUYS, HEY, I WANT TO BE ABLE TO BE PART OF WHAT'S TAKING PLACE IN EL CAJON, BACK YOU GUYS UP AND, UM, HELP OUT HOWEVER I CAN.

BUT BY THE GRACE OF GOD, I'M STANDING HERE.

YOU KNOW, THERE'S SUCH THINGS AS MIRACLES.

I'M A MIRACLE.

UM, AND I, AND I GREW UP IN THESE STREETS AND I WANT TO IMPACT ANY WAY I CAN WITH MY BUSINESS OR MY FAMILY.

I HAVE BEAUTIFUL FIVE BEAUTIFUL KIDS THAT ARE MARRIED AND ARE IN INDUSTRIES AS FAR AS WORKING IN BUSINESSES AND STUFF.

UM, HEAVILY INVOLVED IN MY CHURCH, BUT I SEE THE CITY OF EL CAJON.

AND, UM, I WANT TO IMPACT ANY WAY I CAN TO HELP OUT WITH MY CITY.

AND I WANNA BE A BRIGHT LIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF IT BECAUSE THERE'S SO MUCH THINGS GOING ON.

UM, THERE'S A VERSE THAT I LOVE IN THE BIBLE THAT SAYS THAT ONE COULD PUT A THOUSAND TO FLIGHT, BUT WHAT HAPPENS IF WE ALL COME TOGETHER AND WE START WORKING TOGETHER? YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? AND I THINK THAT YOU GUYS ARE TRYING TO DO THE BEST YOU GUYS CAN.

AND I THINK THAT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE BEST WE HAVE RIGHT NOW AND SAY, HEY, LET'S, LET'S, LET'S GET BEHIND OUR CITY COUNCIL.

LET'S GET BEHIND OUR MAYOR.

LET'S GET BEHIND THE, THE LOCAL BUSINESSES AND SAY, HEY, LET'S TAKE BACK, YOU KNOW, AND, AND TAKE BACK CAJON THE WAY IT SHOULD BE.

SO I JUST WANTED TO COME INTRODUCE MYSELF AND TELL YOU GUYS THAT I'M HERE TO SUPPORT YOU GUYS AS A BUSINESS AND AS A FAMILY MAN.

SO THANK YOU.

THAT'S VERY NICE OF YOU TO COME AND, UH, YOUR STORY.

IT'S VERY NICE FOR YOU TO COME AND YOUR STORY'S INSPIRATIONAL.

I, I THANK YOU.

YEAH, I JUST WANNA LET YOU KNOW THERE'S MIRACLES.

I'M A MIRACLE.

MY WIFE'S HERE WITH ME.

WE'VE BEEN TOGETHER FOR 30 PLUS YEARS AND THAT'S GOING THROUGH THE CITY AND THE PROGRAMS IN EL CAJON AND THERE'S SO MUCH GOOD THINGS GOING ON OUT THERE THAT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE GOOD TOO.

SO.

FANTASTIC.

AND I LEARNED RECENTLY THAT THE MAYOR RECEIVES A $3,380 A MONTH COMPENSATION FOR HIS VOLUNTEER JOB, WHICH I FIND A LITTLE ON THE HIGH SIDE COMPARED TO MOST OTHER CITIES.

WE HAVE MORE, FOUR MORE SPEAKERS.

UH, WHAT PHIL WAS SAYING IS NOBODY DOES MORE FOR THE HOMELESS IN THE CITY OF ELCON BECAUSE SERVICES ARE HERE.

UH, WHERE IF I WALK DOWN THE STREET, EVERY SINGLE PERSON SAYS HELLO.

DOESN'T MATTER IF THEY'RE HOMELESS OR RECENT LEGAL IMMIGRANT OR A LONGTIME RESIDENT, MOST PEOPLE ARE PRETTY FRIENDLY.

A RANDOM GUY ON THE WAY HERE SAID, YOUR JACKET IS BLEEPING TIGHT.

AND THEN HE GOT AN ART SHOW.

I HEARD, BY THE WAY, THAT THE CITY OF SAN WANTS TO KNOW WHEN THE STREET NEAR GILLESPIE AND THE TROLLEY THAT'S UNDERGOING UTILITY WORK IS GONNA BE FIXED SOON.

THEY DON'T WANNA HAVE TO COMPARE IT TO THE CITY OF SAN DIEGO.

JUST AN FYI

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BUT MORE CONCERNING IS A $10,000 CAMPAIGN LIMIT FOR THE MAYOR THAT IS UNACCEPTABLY HIGH AND CAN LEAD TO SOME SERIOUS OUTSIDE INFLUENCES.

SO I'D LIKE THE CITY TO TAKE A LOOK AT PUTTING A REALISTIC CAP ON THAT NUMBER IN THE FUTURE.

AND I DID WATCH THE ELCON POLICE DEPARTMENT'S GREAT DOCUMENTARY ON THEIR HOMELESS ENCOUNTERS.

IT SHOWED US NOTHING, WE DIDN'T ALREADY KNOW THAT MOST ON THE STREET WANT TO BE ON THE STREET.

THEY'RE ALSO PRO THEFT POLICIES, INCLUDING THE NEW PROP 36, ALONG WITH UNCHECKED WELFARE PROGRAMS AND PRO SUBSTANCE ABUSE POLICIES LIKE HARM REINTRODUCTION THAT ARE ENABLING THE HOMELESS PROBLEM.

WHAT WAS NOT REALLY ADDRESSED WAS THOSE WHO ARE NOT ON THE STREET, BUT ARE STILL HOMELESS IN THEIR CARS.

HOWEVER, THE INANIMATE OBJECTS OF SHELTERS OR HOUSING DOESN'T FIX BROKEN PEOPLE.

IF THERE'S NO FAMILY, THERE'S NO STABILITY.

PEOPLE HAVE TO BE REACHED YOUNG OR REACHED BEFORE THEIR LIVES ARE SEVERELY ALTERED BY DRUGS OR THE STREETS.

LAST MEETING, GARY, YOU SAID, OUR COUNTRY'S BASED ON CIVIL RIGHTS.

NO, IT'S NOT.

IT'S BASED ON CREATOR ENDOWED RIGHTS.

READ THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE QUOTE.

WE HOLD THESE TRUTHS TO BE SELF-EVIDENT THAT ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL, THAT THEY'RE ENDOWED BY THEIR CREATOR WITH CERTAIN UNALIENABLE RIGHTS.

THIS IS TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS.

GOVERNMENTS ARE INSTITUTED AMONG MEN DERIVING THEIR JUST POWERS FROM THE CONSENT OF THE GOVERNED.

WHEN A LONG TRAIN OF ABUSES AND URSA PATIENTS REDUCE THEM UNDER ABSOLUTE DESPOTISM, IT IS THEIR RIGHT, THEIR DUTY TO THROW OFF SUCH GOVERNMENT OF AN ABSOLUTE TYRANNY OVER THESE STATES.

TO PROVE THIS, LET FACTS BE SUBMITTED INVASIONS ON THE RIGHTS OF THE PEOPLE, OBSTRUCTED ADMINISTRATIONS OF JUSTICE.

NEW OFFICES AND OFFICERS HARASS OUR PEOPLE, UH, THE MILITARY INDEPENDENT OF AND SUPERIOR TO THE CIVIL POWER, A JURISDICTION FOREIGN TO OUR CONSTITUTION.

AND OWNING KNOWLEDGE BY OUR LAWS, IMPOSING TAXES ON US WITHOUT OUR CONSENT ABOLISHING THE MOST VALUABLE LAWS AND ALTERING FUNDAMENTALLY THE FORMS OF OUR GOVERNMENTS.

IN EVERY STAGE OF THESE OPPRESSIONS, WE HAVE PETITIONED FOR REDRESS ANSWERED ONLY BY REPEATED INJURY.

WE THEREFORE DECLARE THAT THESE UNITED COLONIES ARE FREE AND INDEPENDENT STATES END QUOTE.

AND SO, FOR ANYONE THAT ACTUALLY WAS REALLY THINKING ABOUT THAT, WHAT YOU REALIZE IS NOT MUCH HAS ACTUALLY CHANGED FROM 1776 OR BEFORE.

WE'VE KIND OF ARE GOING BACKWARDS NOW.

AND I DO WANNA SAY THIS BASED ON WHAT I HEARD BEHIND ME IS THAT I MENTIONED THE $10,000 CAMPAIGN LIMIT.

NOT BECAUSE THE CURRENT MAYOR BILL WELLS HAS DONE ANYTHING WRONG, IT'S JUST CLOSING A LOOPHOLE ON SPENDING.

BECAUSE WHEN YOU HAVE A BIG NUMBER, WHICH MOST CITIES DON'T HAVE A 10,000 CAMPAIGN LIMIT, YOU CAN GET POTENTIALS FOR PROBLEMS. AND WE JUST WANNA AVOID IT.

SO IT'S INTERESTING WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THE HOMELESSNESS, BUT I'M PRETTY SURE THIS WOMAN BEHIND ME WAS PROVING WHAT I WAS SAYING WAS TRUE.

UM, I'M WONDERING HOW MANY OF YOU KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON AT 97 80 DUNBAR LANE HERE IN EL CAJON? YOU HAVE TO ENLIGHTEN ME.

YOU DON'T, HOW MANY OF YOU KNOW OF SOUTHWEST KEY PROGRAMS? THAT'S THE DETENTION CENTER FOR CHILDREN.

THAT'S NOT A DETENTION CENTER.

IT'S A TRAFFICKING CENTER.

MURDERED OREGON HARVESTED.

AND THEY'RE UNDER INVESTIGATION BY THE DOJ.

AND YOU GUYS ARE ALLOWING IT TO CONTINUE.

THE CHILDREN ARE BEING ABUSED IN THESE LOCATIONS.

THEY'RE BEING TRAFFICKED, THEY'RE EVEN BEING RAPED.

THEY'RE BECOMING LABOR SLAVES.

AND THESE ENTITIES ARE HIRING PEDOPHILES TO WORK FOR THEM.

WOW.

THAT IS, IT'S IN THE CITY.

WE, WE DON'T HAVE, THIS HAS BEEN BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION ABOUT THREE YEARS AGO, I THINK.

AND I BELIEVE OUR STAFF DID EVERYTHING WE COULD WITHIN OUR JURISDICTION.

IT'S A FEDERAL, IT'S A FEDERAL ISSUE.

WE, NO, IT ISN'T.

IT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU GUYS, YOU HAVE TRAFFICKING TASK FORCE.

SO IT'S SAD TO SEE THAT THIS CAN TAKE PLACE.

YOU KNOW, I NOBODY CARES.

THAT'S THE PROBLEM.

IS THAT, AND YOU GUYS LIKE TO TALK BACK AND FORTH, IT'S INTERESTING 'CAUSE YOU DO WASTE PEOPLE'S TIME BY DOING THAT, UNLESS YOU'RE GONNA STOP THE TIME AND THEN HAVE THE CONVERSATION.

BUT THIS IS A PROBLEM.

THIS IS HAPPENING.

OUR OWN GOVERNMENT IS TRAFFICKING THESE CHILDREN.

AND THIS IS A BUSINESS.

IT IS BILL.

I MEAN, YOU TALK ABOUT CERTAIN THINGS, BUT YOU DON'T TALK ABOUT EVERYTHING REGARDING THE INVASION ON OUR BORDER AND WHY THESE CHILDREN ARE COMING HERE.

CHILDREN DON'T JUST CROSS THE BORDER AT LIKE TWO YEARS OLD WITH A TAG ACROSS THEIR SHIRT

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WITH ADDRESSES, PHONE NUMBERS AND NAMES ON IT.

THEY DON'T JUST LEAVE THEIR COUNTRY BECAUSE THEY'RE LEAVING THEIR GOVERNMENT, THEY'RE BEING TRAFFICKED.

I AGREE WITH YOU.

RIGHT.

AND SO WHY ARE WE DOING NOTHING ABOUT, WHY IS IT SO SILENT? IT'S LIKE YOU EVEN KNOW THAT THE DOJ IS INVESTIGATING THEM.

AND YOU'RE SAYING LIKE, MY HANDS ARE TIED.

HOW CAN THEY BE TIED? LIKE, DON'T YOU HAVE, DOES THE POLICE NOT HAVE A A TRAFFICKING TASK FORCE? WHAT? WHY WOULDN'T THEY GO AND LOOK INTO THESE PLACES? DO YOU, YOU GUYS HAVE CHILDREN? SO IT'S LIKE, I MEAN, DOES IT HAVE TO BE YOUR CHILD IN ORDER FOR YOU TO CARE AND, AND WANNA DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT INSTEAD OF ALWAYS SAYING IT'S OUT OF MY HANDS.

JUST SEE, I'M HAPPY TO RESPOND, BUT I CAN YOU STOP MY TIME THEN? I'M WAITING.

NO, NO.

I'M WAITING FOR YOU TO FINISH .

SEE, THAT'S THE THING.

I MEAN, IT'S LIKE YOU WANNA REBUTT IT, BUT IT'S STILL GOING ON.

IT'S STILL GONNA TAKE PLACE AND THESE CHILDREN ARE STILL BEING ABUSED.

AND UNLESS YOU'VE BEEN A CHILD THAT'S BEEN ABUSED, YOU WOULDN'T KNOW WHAT THAT'S LIKE.

I KNOW WHAT THAT'S LIKE AND I KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE TO WANT SOMEBODY TO SAVE YOU AND NOT JUST GO, IT'S OUTTA MY HANDS.

WELL, LET ME, LET ME SEE.

GRAHAM, YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT THIS? CERTAINLY DUNBAR LANE ACTUALLY IS NOT IN THE CITY OF EL CAJON.

IT MAY HAVE AN EL CAJON ADDRESS, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY CLOSER TO ALPINE.

UH, IT'S PAST BLOSSOM VALLEY.

SO IT IS COMPLETELY OUT OF OUR JURISDICTION.

THEN WHY DID YOU LOOK INTO IT? WHY DID YOU LOOK INTO IT? IF IT'S OUTTA YOUR JURISDICTION, WHY WERE YOU SAYING THREE YEARS AGO? 'CAUSE I CARE.

YEAH, BUT IF IT'S OUTTA YOUR, THEN WHY, LIKE, THAT MAKES, SO CAN'T YOU CALL SOMEBODY ELSE TO SAY, HEY, YOU NEED TO LOOK INTO THAT.

IT'S UNDER OUR ZIP CODE COUNCIL.

AS A REMINDER, THERE IS A SOUTHWEST STRATEGIES, UH, A SOUTHWEST, UM, KEYS FACILITY ON BROADWAY, UH, COUNCIL DIRECTED STAFF.

TO WHAT ADDRESS IS THAT? TO LOOK INTO IT? WE DID THAT.

UH, WE MET WITH FEDERAL GOVERNMENT ON THAT.

UM, AND WE LIMITED OUR JURISDICTION.

WE DON'T HAVE A ZONING REGULATION ON THAT.

SO SEE, YOU STILL ALLOW IT TO HAPPEN.

SO THERE IS ANOTHER ONE.

AND THERE'S ALSO ONE IN LEMON GROVE.

WELL, SO WHEN ARE THE CHILDREN GONNA MATTER ENOUGH? IF YOU HAVE A, TO QUIT PLAYING GAMES, BUT IF YOU HAVE A LEGAL WAY FOR US TO ADDRESS IT, I'M, I WOULD LOVE IT.

BUT I DON'T HAVE, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THE, THE POLICE HAVE TAKEN OATH UNDER 18 USC 2 4 5.

THEY HAVE A DUTY AND AN OBLIGATION IF THEY HAVE A BADGE TO GO AND TAKE CARE OF THIS KIND OF STUFF.

I APPRECIATE.

SO I'M TIRED OF PEOPLE SITTING THERE AND ACTING LIKE IT'S OUT OF THEIR HANDS WHEN YOU COULD DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT AND YOU KNOW IT.

I APPRECIATE YOU COMING.

NEXT SPEAKER IS, WELL, HOLD ON.

I WANNA SAY SOMETHING, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.

THIS IS GONNA BE A, AN EVENING.

I THINK WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT A LOT OF DIFFERENT ISSUES, BUT WE CAN'T HAVE A, WE CAN'T HAVE A A, A WORKSHOP, UH, ON EVERY ISSUE THAT THERE IS TO BE REHAB.

WE'RE, WE'VE GOT AN AGENDA TONIGHT, SO LET'S STICK TO THE AGENDA AND WE HAVE A COUNCIL MEETING EVERY TWO WEEKS.

YOU'RE HAPPY TO COME EVERY TWO WEEKS, BUT WE NEED TO STICK TO THE AGENDA TONIGHT.

I LOVE FOLLOWING THIS.

HI GRAHAM.

UM, MOST OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE SPEAKING ABOUT THE HOMELESS, I'VE BEEN HOMELESS FOR 15 YEARS IN MY CAR.

UM, AND IT'S NOT BECAUSE I WANT TO BE IS BECAUSE I DON'T WANNA GIVE INTO THE BS.

UM, WHAT I'M ASKING IS THAT IN EVERY CITY WHEN YOU DO THE HOMELESS COUNT ON THURSDAY, WHICH I'VE NEVER BEEN COUNTED EVER, OH WAIT, I WAS ONE TIME LAST YEAR.

I GUESS I WAS.

UM, MAKE SURE YOU'RE VETTING THE PROGRAMS THAT YOU'RE GONNA GET, THAT YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE UP WITH THAT MONEY THAT YOU'RE GONNA GET FROM THE GOVERNMENT, BECAUSE IT'S TRUE.

I'VE SEEN SOME BAD STUFF HAPPEN AND, YOU KNOW, I'VE TALKED ABOUT IT BEFORE HERE.

YEP.

SO, UM, YES, THE F THE SPEAKER BEFORE ME, YES.

THERE'S, THERE'S THINGS HAPPENING THAT NEED TO BE LOOKED INTO.

SO JUST MAKE SURE YOU'RE VETTING PEOPLE.

AND UM, THE OTHER THING I NOTICED, AT LEAST IN SOME OTHER CITIES IS THAT ALL OF A SUDDEN WE HAVE ALL THESE NEW HOMELESS PEOPLE AND THEN THEY'RE GONE AFTER THE COUNT.

SO, UM, ARE THEY GETTING PLANTED THERE SO THAT THAT CITY WOULD, WHATEVER CITY IT IS, IS GETTING AN EXTRA COUNT FOR MONEY AND THEN, THEN THEY CAN SPEND ON WHATEVER THEY WANT TO.

LAST SPEAKER IS CONSUELO OR CONSUELO.

THANKS BRENDA.

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UH, OH.

I THINK SHE'S COMING IN FROM OUTSIDE.

HELLO.

HEY, THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.

I, SO I JUST CAME FROM THE COUNTY MEETING AND PAYING ATTENTION TO WHAT OUR COUNTY CONTINUES TO DO AGAINST WE THE PEOPLE, ESPECIALLY THE ONES NOT PAYING ATTENTION, WHO DON'T GET TO, UM, THEY CONTINUE TREATING THE SYSTEM, UH, THE SYMPTOMS OF THE SYSTEM.

'CAUSE THEY WILL NEVER GET TO THE ROOT OF THE PROBLEM.

WHY? THEY ARE, THERE AREN'T COUNTLESS REASONS.

UH, THERE'S ONLY ONE REASON.

AND THAT REASON IS BIG GOVERNMENT AND THEIR JUNK SYSTEM THAT WE, THE TAX CATTLE, INDENTURED SERVANTS CONTINUE PAYING FOR.

BIG GOVERNMENT HAS A HISTORY OF BEING RECKLESS, SLOPPY, ABUSIVE, AND BEYOND.

CORRUPT.

BIG GOVERNMENT CONTINUES DROPPING THE BALL TO THE PEOPLE OUTSIDE LISTENING.

HOPEFULLY REMINDER SOCIETY IS COLLAPSING AND THE PEOPLE ARE STARTING TO RECOGNIZE THAT THE REASON THEY FEEL LIKE THEY'RE MENTALLY ILL IS THAT THEY'RE LIVING IN A SYSTEM THAT'S NOT DESIGNED TO SUIT THE HUMAN SPIRIT.

THE SYSTEM WAS NEVER DESIGNED FOR YOU TO WIN.

WHEN WILL PEOPLE GET THAT? I GET IT.

MOST PEOPLE ARE NOT READY TO BE UNPLUGGED.

SO MANY HOPELESSLY DEPENDENT ON THE SYSTEM THAT THEY WILL FIGHT TO PROTECT IT.

STOCKHOLM SYNDROME TO THE INDOCTRINATED, UM, THE INDOCTRINATED ONES, THE ONES WHO SEE NOTHING WRONG WITH THE SYSTEM, UM, IT'S REALLY TIME TO TAKE OFF THE BLINDERS.

ARE YOU EXPECTING SOMEONE FROM THE SYSTEM TO HOLD THE SYSTEM ACCOUNTABLE FOR DOING EXACTLY WHAT THE SYSTEM WAS DESIGNED TO DO? ARE YOU SITTING BACK TRUSTING THE PLAN AND WAITING FOR SOMEONE TO SUBVERT THE ENTIRE SYSTEM AND SAVE US ALL? THE SYSTEM WAS DESIGNED THIS WAY AND NO ONE IS COMING TO SAVE US.

WE MUST ACT.

WE MUST SAVE OURSELVES.

WE HAVE TO PROTECT EACH OTHER.

WE MUST STEP AWAY FROM THEIR BACKWARDS SYSTEM DESIGNED TO KEEP US ALL DOWN AND DIVIDED, TOTALLY DIVIDED MAN, DIVIDE AND CONQUERS.

IT'S WORKING.

IT REALLY IS TIME TO CREATE A NEW SYSTEM.

HAVE I SAID SYSTEM ENOUGH TIMES? UM, SO AGAIN, REMINDER, THE SYSTEM WAS NEVER BROKEN.

IT WAS BUILT THIS WAY.

THAT IS THE END OF THE PUBLIC COMMENT, SIR.

REPORTS ON TODAY'S AGENDA, WHICH WE ARE GOING TO, UM, LIMIT TO THIS LAST ITEM, ITEM EIGHT, WHICH IS THE ANNUAL COMPREHENSIVE FINANCIAL REPORT.

THERE ARE NO WRITTEN COMMUNICATIONS AND NO PUBLIC HEARINGS ON TODAY'S AGENDA.

WE HAVE FIVE ADMINISTRATIVE

[8. Annual Comprehensive Financial Report for the Fiscal Year Ended June 30, 2024, and Other Written Communication from the City's Independent Auditor RECOMMENDATION: That the City Council receives and accepts the Annual Comprehensive Financial Report and other written communication from the independent accounting firm of Rogers, Anderson, Malody & Scott, LLP, for the fiscal year ended June 30, 2024.]

AND I'LL ASK STAFF TO INTRODUCE THIS ITEM.

GOOD AFTERNOON, HONORABLE MAYOR, DISTINGUISHED MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL.

MY NAME IS CLAY SHANE.

I'M THE DIRECTOR OF FINANCE FOR THE CITY OF EL CAJON.

VERY PLEASED TODAY TO BE HERE TO, UH, PRESENT OUR ANNUAL COMPREHENSIVE FINANCIAL REPORT.

TODAY'S PRESENTATION WILL INCLUDE A BRIEF INTRODUCTION OF THE AFER AND ITS PARTS, AND WE, AT THE END, WE WILL ASK THE CITY COUNCIL TO RECEIVE AND ACCEPT THE AFER.

THIS DOCUMENT IS AVAILABLE IN ITS ENTIRETY ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE, EL CAJON.GOV.

THE ACT FOR IS PREPARED IN CONFORMITY WITH GENERALLY ACCEPTED ACCOUNTING PRINCIPLES, AS WELL AS ADHERING TO THE PRONOUNCEMENTS OF THE GEN GOVERNMENTAL ACCOUNTING STANDARDS BOARD.

THIS HIGHLY PRESCRIBED DOCUMENT FOCUSES ON COMPARABILITY BETWEEN STATE AND LOCAL GOVERNMENTS, AND CONTAINS THREE SECTIONS.

THE INTRODUCTORY SECTION, THE FINANCE FINANCIAL SECTION, AND THE STATISTICAL SECTION.

THE SHORTEST SECTION OF THE THREE IS THE INTRODUCTORY SECTION.

THIS INCLUDES THE LETTER OF TRANSMITTAL, AS WELL AS THE BRIEF DESCRIPTION OF THE CITY'S ORGANIZATIONAL STRUCTURE.

THE MEAT AND POTATOES OF THE REPORT IS THE FINANCIAL SECTION.

THIS SECTION INCLUDES THE INDEPENDENT AUDITOR'S REPORT.

THIS

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YEAR, I'M PLEASED TO REPORT THAT THE AUDIT OPINION IS AN UNMODIFIED OPINION OR A CLEAN AUDIT OPINION.

THIS SECTION ALSO INCLUDES MANAGEMENT'S DISCUSSION AND ANALYSIS.

THE CITY'S BASIC FINANCIAL STATEMENTS, NOTES TO THE BASIC FINANCIAL STATEMENTS, AS WELL AS REQUIRED SUPPLEMENTARY INFORMATION.

THE LAST OF THE THREE SECTIONS IS THIS STATISTICAL SECTION.

GENERALLY, THIS CONTAINS 10 YEARS OF HISTORY, UH, TO DEMONSTRATE THE CITY'S FINANCIAL TRENDS, REVENUE CAPACITY, DEBT CAPACITY, DEMOGRAPHIC, AND ECONOMIC INFORMATION, AS WELL AS VARIOUS OPERATING INFORMATION AND STATISTICS.

AFTER WE HAVE ANSWERED ANY QUESTIONS, THE CITY COUNCIL HAS, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE CITY COUNCIL RECEIVES AND ACCEPTS THE ACT FOR AS WELL AS THE OTHER WRITTEN COMMUNICATIONS FROM OUR INDEPENDENT, UH, AUDITING FIRM, UH, ROGERS ANDERSON, MELODY, AND SCOTT FOR FISCAL YEAR 24.

THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.

I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE THEM.

THANK YOU, CLAY.

I APPRECIATE ANY, UM, SEE IF THERE'S ANY, UH, OKAY.

ANY OF THE PUBLIC WANNA SPEAK ON THIS? NO SPEAKER CARD, SIR.

UM, COUNSEL, ANY QUESTIONS, ANY CONCERNS, DISCUSSION, SOMEBODY I CAN MAKE MOTION, UH, MOVE TO RECEIVE THE REPORT? A SECOND.

SECOND.

MOVE AND SECOND, PLEASE VOTE.

ARE GOING TO DISPENSE WITH THE OTHER ITEMS AND GO RIGHT TO NUMBER NINE.

[9. Conflicts in State and Federal Immigration Laws and Policies RECOMMENDATION: That the City Council considers one of two options: wait to take action until the Federal and State governments resolve inconsistencies in their respective immigration laws and policies, or adopt a Resolution that: seeks additional clarification from State and Federal officials on the inconsistencies in their respective immigration laws and policies, declares the City’s intent to ensure the public safety of all residents, and asserts the City’s intent to comply with Federal immigration law to the legal extent permissible under SB 54 and other applicable laws to remove violent criminals from our community. ]

THANKS FOR YOUR PATIENCE.

I APPRECIATE THAT.

UH, SO, UH, JUST A COUPLE GROUND RULES, UM, BECAUSE WE HAVE SO MANY SPEAKERS, WE'RE GOING TO MAKE THE SPEAKER TIME TWO MINUTES, UM, AT THE END OF TWO MINUTES.

I, I APPRECIATE IT IF YOU WOULD END AND WE CAN MOVE ON TO THE NEXT SPEAKER AND WE WILL GO FROM THERE.

UM, SO I, NEXT ITEM IS A LEGISLATIVE REPORT.

CITY MANAGER, GRAND MITCHELL WILL TELL US ABOUT THOSE.

THANK YOU MR. MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL.

THIS AGENDA ITEM INTRODUCES A RESOLUTION FOR CITY COUNCIL CONSIDERATION, UM, THAT REALLY RESULTS BECAUSE OF THERE'S OF THE CONFLICTS BETWEEN STATE GOVERNMENT AND FEDERAL GOVERNMENT'S, UH, CONFLICTING IMMIGRATION LAWS AND POLICIES.

AS A, A REMINDER, THE CITY COUNCIL INITIALLY BROUGHT THIS FORWARD FOR SOME DISCUSSION, AND STAFF WAS DIRECTED TO DO TWO THINGS.

ONE IS TO WRITE A LETTER TO ATTORNEY GENERAL BONTA, UH, WHICH WAS COMPLETED MID-DECEMBER.

UM, AND HE HAS SINCE RESPONDED EX IN FACT, UH, THE CITY COUNCIL HAS IN THE AGENDA PACKET, UH, THE ATTORNEY GENERAL OFFICE'S RESPONSE THAT WAS SENT ON JANUARY 19TH.

UM, THE CITY COUNCIL ALSO DIRECTED STAFF TO DEVELOP AND GENERATE A RESOLUTION FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.

THAT WAS PRESENTED ON DECEMBER OR JANUARY 14TH.

THE CITY COUNCIL AND A FOUR ONE VOTE, UH, GAVE DIRECTION TO THIS TO STAFF TO REDRAFT THAT WHICH WE HAVE DONE AS PART OF THIS AGENDA ITEM.

UH, ONE OF OUR GOALS IS AS WE WERE REDRAFTING IT, WE LISTENED BACK TO THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING.

WE LISTENED TO COMMENTS MADE BY THE PUBLIC.

WE LISTENED TO COMMENTS MADE BY THE CITY COUNCIL, AND I THINK WE'VE CAPTURED A LOT, OR WE'VE DONE OUR BEST TO CAPTURE A LOT OF THE SENTIMENTS THAT WERE SHARED.

UH, I THOUGHT I COULD, UM, AS PART OF THE AGENDA ITEM GO THROUGH THE REVISED RESOLUTION.

UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DID IS WE CHANGED THE TITLE.

IT'S SPECIFICALLY LOOKING FOR THREE THINGS.

ONE IS SEEKING ADDITIONAL CLARIFICATION FROM BOTH THE STATE AND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS ON THE INCONSISTENCIES AND THEIR RESPECTIVE IMMIGRATION POLICIES.

IT ALSO DECLARES THE CITY'S IN INTENT TO ENSURE THE PUBLIC SAFETY OF ALL RESIDENTS.

AND THEN LASTLY, IT ASSERTS THE CITY'S INTENT TO COMPLY WITH FEDERAL IMMIGRATION LAW.

UH, UNDER SB 54.

UM, UM, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE'D GET A LOT MORE DONE IF WE COULD JUST BE CIVIL.

UH, STAFF WENT ON TO, UH, AS MOST RESOLUTIONS HAVE, THERE ARE SOME WAREHOUSE STATEMENTS, WHICH ARE DECLARATIVE STATEMENTS THAT SORT OF ESTABLISH THE FOUNDATION FOR THE PURPOSE OF THE RESOLUTION.

I WON'T GO THROUGH EVERY SINGLE ONE, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO, UM, HIGHLIGHT THE DIFFERENT, WHEREAS STATEMENTS THAT WERE ADDED TO THIS, UM, UH, RESOLUTION FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.

THE FIRST SAYS, WHEREAS EL CAJON IS A HOME TO VIBRANT

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AND DIVERSE IMMIGRANT COMMUNITIES WHO HAVE ENRICHED OUR CITY WITH THEIR UNIQUE CULTURAL TRADITIONS, ENTREPRENEURIAL SPIRIT AND VALUABLE CONTRIBUTIONS TO THE SOCIAL AND ECONOMIC FABRIC OF OUR COMMUNITY STAFF ALSO ADDED THE, WHEREAS STATEMENT, THE CITY COUNCIL AFFIRMS STATEMENTS FROM SENATE BILL 54, UM, THAT IMI QUOTE, IMMIGRANTS ARE VALUABLE AND ESSENTIAL MEMBERS OF THE CALIFORNIA COMMUNITY.

AND QUOTE AND QUOTE, A RELATIONSHIP OF TRUST BETWEEN CALIFORNIA'S IMMIGRANT COMMUNITY AND STATE AND LOCAL AGENCIES IS CENTRAL TO THE PUBLIC SAFETY OF THE PEOPLE OF CALIFORNIA.

UM, THE, THE MAJORITY OF THE OTHER WHEREASES STAYED THE SAME, BUT STAFF DID ADD TWO ADDITIONAL WHEREAS, OR, OR HEAVILY MODIFIED TO WHEREAS IS, UH, THE FIRST ONE SAYS.

WHEREAS THE CITY COUNCIL EXPRESSES CONCERN THAT SB 54 LIMITS THE ABILITY OF LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT TO COOPERATE WITH FEDERAL AUTHORITIES IN THE ENFORCEMENT OF IMMIGRATION LAWS, WHICH IN SOME CASES WEAKENS LAW ENFORCEMENT'S ABILITY TO PROTECT COMMUNITIES FROM DANGEROUS INDIVIDUALS THAT PREY ON THE VULNERABLE AND ARE ENGAGED IN THESE VIOLENT CRIMINAL ACTIVITIES.

IT THEN GOES ON TO SAY, WHEREAS ON JANUARY 19TH, THE CITY, UH, RECEIVED A LETTER FROM THE CALIFORNIA OFFICE OF THE ATTORNEY GENERAL, UH, CITING US VERSUS CALIFORNIA ASSERTING THAT SB 54 WAS A PROPER EXERCISE OF THE STATE'S POWER UNDER THE 10TH AMENDMENT OF THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION.

HOWEVER, THE LETTER DID NOT FULLY ADDRESS THE QUESTIONS POSED IN THE CITY'S DECEMBER 16TH LETTER TO THE ATTORNEY GENERAL.

SO THOSE ARE SORT OF THE, WHEREAS STATEMENTS, UM, THEN COME TO THE, THE, I GUESS THE, THE MEET, WHAT, WHAT THE CITY IS ACTUALLY LOOKING FOR, UH, OR WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING THAT THE CITY MAY LOOK FOR.

UM, WE'VE REVISED TWO OF THOSE STATEMENTS.

UH, THE FIRST IS A DECLARATION OF INTENT THAT'S A REVISED FROM THE FIRST RESOLUTION THAT YOU SAW EARLIER THIS MONTH.

THE REVISED VERSION SAYS, UH, THE CITY OF EL CAJON DECLARES ITS INTENT TO COMPLY WITH THE ENFORCEMENT OF FEDERAL IMMIGRATION LAW TO, UH, TO THE LEGAL EXTENT PERMISSIBLE UNDER 50, UH, SB 54, THE SUPREMACY CLAUSE OF THE US CONSTITUTION, AND OTHER APPLICABLE LAWS FOR THE SOLE PURPOSE OF REMOVING THOSE THAT HAVE COMMITTED VIOLENT CRIME CRIMINAL OFFENSES AS DEFINED BY CALIFORNIA PENAL CODE SECTION 1192.

AND THAT'S THE SECTION THAT'S REFERRED TO SPECIFICALLY IN SB 54.

SO WE'RE, WE'RE ALIGNING WITH SB 54 FROM OUR COMMUNITY.

FURTHER, THE CITY OF ELON WILL NOT IMPEDE FEDERAL ENFORCEMENT OFFICIALS OR BLOCK THEIR EFFORTS OF, AS HAS BEEN SUGGESTED BY OTHER CALIFORNIA JURISDICTIONS KNOWN AS SANCTUARY CITIES.

UM, THE OTHER MODIFIED NOW THEREFORE STATEMENT IS THE CITY WILL CONTINUE TO COMPLY WITH FEDERAL AND STATE LAW, WHICH WE HAVE TO THIS POINT RECOGNIZING THERE ARE CONFLICTS BETWEEN FEDERAL AND STATE LAWS.

AND THEN THE OTHERS, UM, HAVE TO DO WITH CONTINUING TO ESTABLISH TRUST WITHIN THE COMMUNITY.

UH, CONTINUE TO LOOK FOR GUIDANCE FROM BOTH THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE AND THE, AND FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIALS.

AND THEN FINALLY, UH, ONCE, IF A RESOLUTION IS ADOPTED, THAT WE WOULD DISTRIBUTE IT TO THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE AND THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE AND ANY OTHER FEDERAL OFFICES.

SO WITH THAT, STAFF'S ABLE TO ANSWER ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS YOU HAVE ABOUT THE RESOLUTION AND THE INTENT BEHIND SOME OF THE LANGUAGE THAT IS INCLUDED, UM, OR THE, THE LEGALITY OF SB 54 OR THE PRACTICAL APPLICATION OF, UM, WORKING WITH FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

SO WITH THAT, STAFF'S HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.

THANKS GRAHAM.

COUNSEL, QUESTIONS FOR GRAHAM? ALRIGHT, SEEING NONE, UH, LET'S GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED WITH THE SPEAKER CARDS.

I DID CHANGE THE TIMER TO TWO MINUTES.

WE HAVE 81 SPEAKERS.

AS OF RIGHT NOW.

I WILL BE CALLING OR READING THE THREE FIRST NAMES AND THEN AFTER THAT I'LL BE CALLING PEOPLE IN THREE.

UM, JUST TO ALLOW TIME FOR THEM TO COME FROM OUTSIDE IN CASE THEY'RE OUTSIDE.

UH, AND JUST, JUST SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY CLARIFICATION, WE'RE NOT GOING TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO C THEIR TIME TO OTHERS SO THAT THEY CAN HAVE MORE TIME.

EVERYBODY GETS TWO MINUTES.

THANK YOU SIR.

AND IN ADDITION TO THE SPEAKERS WE HAVE PRESENT, I DID RECEIVE, UH, 11 EMAILS, WHICH I HAVE FORWARDED TO YOU.

SEVEN WERE OPPOSING THE PROPOSED RESOLUTION AND TWO, WERE IN FAVOR.

I AM NOT ON THE SPEAKER'S LIST, BUT I'D LIKE TO ASK IF THE REVISED, UM, WORDING HAS BEEN OFFERED UP FOR THE PUBLIC.

THE FIRST THREE SPEAKERS WILL BE ILCA WESTIN, DR.

JOANNA ROSE BENAVIDES, AND DAVID MATRAN.

THE FIRST ONE WILL BE ILKA WESTON.

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IS IT PUBLICLY AVAILABLE FOR THE CITY OF EL CAJON? YEAH, IT IS, BUT WE HAVE SO MANY SPEAKERS.

IF YOU JUST PUT YOUR, PUT YOUR NAME ON THE LIST, I'D APPRECIATE IT.

HELLO MA'AM.

UH, MY NAME IS ICA WESTON.

I'M PART OF NORTH COUNTY EQUITY AND JUSTICE COALITION.

I'M AN ACTIVE MEMBER AS WITH A VOLUNTEER WITH MOGO.

I'M ALSO PART OF SAVING LIVES IN CUSTODY CAMPAIGN, AND I'M ON THE BOARD FOR THE PEACE RESOURCE CENTER AND MUCH MORE.

MAYOR WELLS, YOU OBVIOUSLY DO NOT KNOW THE HISTORY OF EL CAJON.

I WAS BORN AND RAISED HERE.

IF YOU WERE BORN AND RAISED HERE, YOU SHOULD REMEMBER PARENTS OF PEOPLE LIKE YOU AND I TELLING US NOT TO GO IN EL CAJON.

EL CAJON WAS KNOWN AS A METH CAPITAL AND REMAIN AS SUCH UNTIL OUR AMAZING MEXICANA, UH, BROTHERS AND SISTERS STARTED OPENING BUSINESSES.

THEN WE HAD OUR WONDERFUL MIDDLE EASTERN PEOPLE START OPENING BUSINESSES AS WELL THAT ALLOWED EL CAJON TO BE A SAFE PLACE TO COME TO.

TRUMP IS NOT OUR GOVERNOR.

AND THE FACT THAT YOU WOULD INSULT GOVERNOR GAVIN NEWSOM CLAIMING THIS IS A SANCTUARY CITY, WHEN THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT BUILT IT UP WERE IMMIGRANTS JUST LIKE THE REST OF THE US.

YOU'RE ON BORROWED LAND, SIR, I WOULD LOOK BACK AND FIND OUT WHERE YOU ORIGINALLY CAME FROM AND GET THE WHOLE BACK THERE.

AND ANY OF YOU AS CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, IF YOU ARE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS AND YOU'RE REPRESENTING THESE PEOPLE AND ALL THE OTHER PEOPLE, THEN YOU SHOULD KNOW THIS IS AN ATTACK, A PREJUDICIAL RACIST ATTACK ON OUR MEXICANA HERITAGE.

AND IF YOU VOTE ANYWAY, AND THAT IS ANYWAY, OTHER THAN NOT VOTING WHAT MAYOR WELLS THINKS IS THE RIGHT THING.

WHO, SIR? THIS IS YOUR LAST POST REPRESENT.

YES, WE ARE HERE BECAUSE WE KNOW WHAT'S RIGHT AND YOU NEED A CONSCIENCE, SIR.

SHAME ON YOU LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.

LADIES, LISTEN, I'M HAPPY TO STAY HERE ALL NIGHT AND LISTEN TO PEOPLE SPEAK, BUT IF YOU'RE GONNA YELL AND SCREAM, I'LL CLEAR THE CHAMBER.

STOP IT.

DR.

JOANNA ROSE BENAVIDES.

CAN I TALK NOW? YES, PLEASE SPEAK.

WORLD WAR II WAS HAPPENING, THEY USED LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT TO ROUND UP JEWISH PEOPLE.

I'M DR.

JOANNA ROSE BENAVIDEZ.

I STAND BEFORE YOU AS A VOICE FOR THE VOICELESS.

AS A RETIRED USAF VETERAN BUSINESS OWNER, A CORPORATION IN SAN DIEGO, LICENSED HEALTHCARE PROVIDER AND A DAUGHTER OF A MEXICAN IMMIGRANT, I OPPOSE ICE WORKING WITH LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT BECAUSE I KNOW FIRSTHAND HOW POWER CAN BE ABUSED.

AT AGE EIGHT, I WITNESSED THE POLICE OFFICER THREATEN MY FATHER'S LIFE DUE TO HIS BROWN SKIN.

WHY MUST AMERICAN CITIZENS PROVE OUR RIGHT TO EXIST HERE? I HAD TO TELL MY US ARMY VETERAN AND MEXICAN MESTIZO NATIVE AMERICAN INDIAN FATHER TO CARRY AROUND HIS BIRTH CERTIFICATE BECAUSE OF POTENTIAL DEPORTATION DUE TO MISGUIDED PROFILING, I HAD TO TELL MY MOTHER TO CARRY HER NATURALIZATION PAPERS.

WHY DO I HAVE TO CARRY AROUND MY OWN BIRTH CERTIFICATE? I WAS BORN HERE.

I SERVED IN THE MILITARY HERE BY INVOLVING LOCAL POLICE IN ICE ACTIVITIES.

YOU'RE SHATTERING THE TRUST BETWEEN COMMUNITY AND LAW ENFORCEMENT.

WE'RE ALREADY SCARED TO CALL THE COPS.

NOW WE'RE DEFINITELY NOT GOING TO.

FEAR IS A POWERFUL TOOL, BUT IT COMES AT A PRICE.

IT ERODES THE COMMUNITY'S FOUNDATION.

IT WILL TURN NEIGHBOR AGAINST NEIGHBOR.

AND IS THIS THE LEGACY YOU WANNA LEAVE? LOOK INTO THE EYES OF YOUR CONSTITUENTS.

WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR SPECIAL TREATMENT, WE'RE JUST ASKING TO BE TREATED WITH DIGNITY LIKE EVERY HUMAN BEING DESERVES.

AND TRUE LEADERSHIP ISN'T ABOUT FOLLOWING THE WHIMS OF THE POWERFUL, THE WEALTHY, OR THE LOUD.

IT'S ABOUT STANDING UP FOR WHAT'S RIGHT EVEN WHEN IT'S DIFFICULT.

TODAY I WEAR THIS VICTORY PIN WORN IN THE 1940S TO SIGNIFY VICTORY OVER THE NAZI REGIME.

MY GRANDFATHER WAS A WORLD WAR II, POW.

DEPENDING ON TODAY'S OUTCOME, I'LL EITHER KEEP THIS PIN ON OR TAKE IT OFF.

BECAUSE IF YOU ALLOW THIS TO HAPPEN IN THIS CITY, THAT VICTORY OVER FASCISM WAS NEVER TRULY ACHIEVED.

I REMIND YOU A HISTORY LESSON.

WHEN

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THANK YOU, MA'AM.

AFTER MR. DAVID MATRAN WILL BE CARLOS GOMEZ PEREZ, MELISSA ORTIZ, BALDWIN, AND MARIA CHAVEZ.

COUNSEL.

I LOVE LIVING IN CALIFORNIA, BUT OFTEN I'M REALLY EMBARRASSED ABOUT OUR STATE.

FOR ALL MY LIFE, OUR STATE HAS PUSHED AN IDEOLOGY THAT CLAIMS HAVE THE MORAL HIGH GROUND.

THE MAJORITY IN SACRAMENTO, THEY, THEY CLAIM THEY TOUT TO BE THE COMPASSIONATE ONES.

BUT OVER AND OVER AGAIN, THE POLICIES COMING OUT OF SACRAMENTO CAUSE PAIN AND SORROW.

THE VERY POLICIES THAT CLAIM TO BUILD UP HEALTHY FAMILIES OR STRONG COMMUNITIES, THEY DIVIDE AND THEY HURT.

AND THIS IS CLEARLY SEEN IN SACRAMENTO'S APPROACH TO IMMIGRATION.

WE'VE TOLD IT'S COMPASSIONATE TO OPEN UP OUR BORDERS TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR ANY AND ALL TO COME AND TO IGNORE BASIC LAWS.

BUT THESE ARE LAWS THAT OUR SOCIETY DEPENDS ON FOR SAFETY AND ORDER.

AND IT'S HURT NOT ONLY THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, BUT IT REALLY HURTS THOSE WHO DO WANT TO COME HERE LEGALLY TO ESTABLISH THE AMERICAN DREAM.

WHAT WE'VE SEEN IS MILLIONS OF UNVETTED PEOPLE COMING INTO OUR COUNTRY.

AND THE RESULT OF THAT IS DEMONSTRATED IN WHAT HAPPENED TO LAKE AND RILEY.

WE'VE SEEN THESE POLICIES EMPOWER CARTELS WHO GET RICH OFF OF THOSE WHO THEY, UH, VICTIMIZE.

WE'VE SEEN DRUG DEALERS GET EMPOWERED GAINING, UH, EASIER ACCESS TO BRING FENTANYL INTO OUR COUNTRY.

AND WE'VE SEEN CORRUPT NGOS WHO ARE ALSO EMPOWERED AND, AND THEY'RE GETTING MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS WHILE PROVIDING CARE THAT ONLY EMPOWERS SEX TRAFFICKERS.

UH, UNFORTUNATELY, THOSE WHO ARE SEEKING THE AMERICAN DREAM ARE OFTEN USED AS PONDS IN THIS.

I'VE SEEN THE LOCAL MOTELS OVERRUN WITH PEOPLE WHO, WHO CAN'T FIND WORK, EVEN THOUGH THAT'S WHAT THEY THOUGHT THEY WERE PROMISED BY OUR FORMER ADMINISTRATION.

I'VE BEEN TO THE BORDER WALL AND SEEN FAMILIES HUDDLED TOGETHER IN THE COLD.

I'VE SEEN, UH, AND VIDEOS OF THE VANS GOING OFF WITH KIDS AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY'RE GOING.

I WANNA ENCOURAGE YOU, I'M PROUD TO LIVE IN EAST COUNTY.

I'M PROUD OF THIS PLACE BECAUSE WE DO THINGS DIFFERENTLY AND I WANT TO ENCOURAGE YOU TO WORK WITH OUR NEW ADMINISTRATION AND CONTINUE THE COM REAL COMPASSION THAT WE SEE HERE.

HOW YOU DOING? GOOD AFTERNOON TO EVERYBODY ELSE.

WE GOT TWO MINUTES TO SAY A FEW THINGS, A FEW WORDS.

UM, I GOT TO, TO EL CAJON IN 1992 AFTER RUNNING ACROSS THE BORDER, JUMPING THE FENCE DOUCHING VEHICLES, AND TO ENSURE I CAN GET HIT THAT MADE ME, I WAS NINE.

NOW I STAND IN FRONT OF YOU AS A 42-YEAR-OLD MAN WHO'S A FALLUJAH VETERAN WITH A SOBER STAR RECIPIENT, WHICH IS THE THIRD HIGHEST MIDDLE OF VALOR THAT ANYONE IN THE SERVICE CAN RECEIVE.

THAT PUTS ME AS AN IMMIGRANT, BUT HAS DONE MORE FOR THIS COUNTRY AND SACRIFICED MORE FOR THIS COUNTRY AND BLESSED FOR THIS COUNTRY THAN MOST INDIVIDUALS IN THIS ROOM.

YOU SMIRK, YOU LAUGH.

YOU WANNA SAY, WE TAKE YOUR JOBS.

YES, I DID TAKE A JOB, A JOB THAT SOME OF YOU GUYS DIDN'T, WEREN'T WILLING TO TAKE OR EVEN YOUR SONS WEREN'T WILLING TO TAKE.

I HAVE FOUGHT TERRORISTS.

I FOUGHT INSURGENTS.

I'VE BEEN SHOT TWICE.

I NEVER CONSIDERED, I HAD TO COME BACK HOME.

HAD TO FIGHT YOU GUYS TO ENSURE THAT WE WERE BEING PROTECTED.

I KNOW WHAT IT FEELS LIKE TO BE BEHIND BE BE IN HANDCUFFS BEHIND THE MEDIA BECAUSE I WAS UNDOCUMENTED AT THAT TIME.

SO THE WHOLE FACT ABOUT HAVING ICE WORKING POLICE DEPARTMENT IS NOT JUST FOR KIDS.

YOU SAY YOU WANNA DEPORT CRIMINALS, COOL, THAT'S FINE.

BUT HOW MANY CRIMINALS ARE IN FAVORITE CLASSROOMS? NOT MANY.

SO I'M ASKING YOU TO LOOK AT THE HUMAN SIDE OF THINGS.

THERE'S OTHER WAYS TO DO THIS.

THAT'S ALL I'M ASKING.

AND YOU WANT QUESTION MY WHAT? I JUST SAID.

YOU CAN, BUT I CAN GUARANTEE YOU THAT I'VE DONE MORE FOR THIS COUNTRY THAN MOST OF YOU GUYS HAVE.

THANK I APPRECIATE IT TOO.

MELISSA ORTIZ, BALDWIN.

ARISE FROM THIS RESOLUTION.

UM, MY NAME IS MELISSA ORTIZ BALDWIN.

I'M A MOTHER OF TWO FOREIGN BORN CHILDREN.

AND I'M GONNA MAKE MY COMMENTS QUICK HERE BECAUSE THERE ARE OTHER VOICES HERE BEHIND ME THAT SHOULD BE AMPLIFIED.

UM, I COULD CERTAINLY DISCUSS THE POTENTIAL COSTS TO THE CITY OF EL CAJON RESULTING FROM DISCRIMINATION LAWSUITS THAT MAY

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I COULD ALSO RAISE CONCERNS ABOUT WHETHER THE CITIZENS OF EL CAJON TRULY WANT THEIR LAW ENFORCEMENT TO PRIORITIZE PROFILING.

GIVEN THE SIGNIFICANT RISKS AND FINANCIAL IMPLICATION IT PROPOSES TO THE CITY'S BUDGET, NOT TO MENTION THE IMPACT ON THE GROWING BACKLOG OF UNSOLVED CRIMES AGAINST INDIVIDUALS AND PROPERTY, ALL IN THE SERVICE OF MAYOR WELL'S, POLITICAL ASPIRATIONS.

HOWEVER, AS A FOLLOWER OF CHRIST, I BELIEVE THE BIBLE SPEAKS TO THIS MATTER MORE EFFECTIVELY THAN I EVER COULD AND SHOULD MATTER TO ALL THOSE, ESPECIALLY ON THE CITY COUNCIL RIGHT NOW WHO CLAIM TO BE CHRIST FOLLOWERS.

EXODUS 23, 9.

DO NOT OPPRESS THE FOREIGNER.

LEVITICUS 1933 AND 40 34, WHEN A FOREIGNER RESIDES AMONG YOU IN YOUR LAND, DO NOT MISTREAT THEM.

THE FOREIGNER RESIDING AMONG YOU MUST BE TREATED AS YOUR NATIVE BORN.

LOVE THEM AS YOURSELF.

ROMANS 1213, EXTEND HOSPITALITY TO STRANGERS.

MATTHEW 25, 35 AND 40.

I WAS HUNGRY AND YOU GAVE ME FOOD.

I WAS THIRSTY AND YOU GAVE ME DRINK.

I WAS A STRANGER AND YOU WELCOMED ME.

TRULY I SAY TO YOU, WHATEVER YOU DID FOR THE LEAST OF THESE, YOU DID TO ME.

FINALLY, AS A REMINDER, CHRIST HIMSELF WAS FORCED TO FLEE ISRAEL AS A CHILD WITH HIS PARENTS TO ESCAPE VIOLENCE.

WE CAN BE THANKFUL THAT THEY WERE NOT REQUIRED TO WAIT FOR VISA OR ASYLUM APPLICATIONS TO BE PROCESSED BEFORE THEY COULD LEAVE THE DANGERS THEY FACED IN THEIR HOME COUNTRY AND FIND SAFETY IN EGYPT.

AFTER, AFTER MARIA CHAVEZ, WE WILL HAVE RANO ABAR, EMILY WRIGHT AND EVA PACHECO.

MARIA CHAVEZ.

LET'S GO TO THE NEXT ONE.

THE NEXT PERSON IS, UH, RONO ABAR.

CAN WE YEAH.

THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON AS THEY COME BACK IN.

WE'LL, YES.

WE'LL, WE'LL GET THEM BACK IN LINE.

IMMIGRANTS SERVE IMMIGRANTS WORK.

UH, EMILY WRIGHT.

HELLO EVERYBODY.

I HAD A WHOLE SPEECH DRAFTED UP, BUT I FEEL LIKE IT'LL FALL ON DEAF EARS.

AND, UM, ALL I WANTED TO SAY IS THAT WHOEVER VOTES YES ON THIS, IF THIS IS A POLITICAL SUICIDE TO YOUR CAREERS, WE WILL REMEMBER EACH OF YOUR NAMES.

THIS IS CALIFORNIA.

WE'RE A BLUE STATE.

WE ALWAYS VOTE BLUE.

UM, AND MAYOR BILL WELLS, DON'T FOLLOW HIM IN YOUR POLITICAL ASPIRATIONS BECAUSE THIS IS THE END OF HIS CAREER.

YOUR CONGRESSIONAL CAMPAIGN DIDN'T GO SO WELL THIS YEAR.

I ALSO WANTED TO ADD THAT I'VE GROWN UP ALL THROUGHOUT CALIFORNIA.

I HAVE LIVED IN THE CENTRAL VALLEY.

I HAVE LIVED ALL THROUGHOUT BASES IN CAMP PELETON AND ALSO IN JOSHUA TREE, 29 PALMS ALL THROUGHOUT THAT AREA.

THEY DON'T, THEY'RE NOT GIVEN HANDOUTS.

HOW ARE PEOPLE GIVEN HANDOUTS IF THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE A SOCIAL? PLEASE THINK ABOUT THAT.

UM, AND I LASTLY, WANTED TO END THAT IMMIGRANTS MAKE AMERICA GREAT.

LOOK INTO YOUR GENEALOGY.

WHERE DID YOUR FAMILY ANCESTRY START? IT WASN'T HERE IN AMERICA.

SO THINK ABOUT THIS.

IF YOU WANNA MAKE, UH, OUR COUNTRY GREAT, YOU ARE MAKING IT INTO A NAZI REGIME.

THIS ISN'T 1940S ANYMORE.

WAKE UP AFTER EVA PACHECO.

WE HAVE JESUS FELIPE RASO AND VIOLET LAMBERT.

GOOD AFTERNOON COUNCIL MEMBERS.

UM, I JUST WANT TO, I JUST WANT TO START BY, UM, QUO WHAT MAYOR BILL WILL SAY ABOUT, UM, WHAT HE WILL DO.

AND I WANT TO MENTION THAT HE SAY IN HIS SOCIAL MEDIA, I WANT TO MAKE CLEAR THAT EL CAJON IS NOT A SANCTUARY MID CITY.

AND WE WILL DO WHEREVER WE CAN TO WORK WHEREVER WE CAN TO WORK WITH THE FED FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO HELP EASY THIS IMMIGRATION PROBLEM.

AND HE SAY, WE, THAT MEANS ALL OF YOU AND ALL OF YOU ARE SUPPORTING HIS POLITICAL CAREER.

THAT'S WHAT HE'S LOOKING FOR WITH THIS.

WHEN HE SAY WE, THAT MEANS YOU, UH, AND YOU AND YOU AND YOU AND EVERYONE ARE SUPPORTING HIS POLITICS.

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I REMEMBER LAST MEETING, MR. KENRY, YOU MENTIONED THE EXPERIENCE YOUR MOTHER HAVE BY WEARING THE YELLOW STAR IN THE HITLER REGION REGIME.

RIGHT NOW, I FEEL LIKE THAT I NEED TO CARRY MY PASSPORT CARD TO PROVE THAT I AM A CITIZEN AMERICAN CITIZEN.

WHY? JUST BECAUSE MAYOR WELLS WANTS TO, UH, HAVE OR FEEL SO HIS, UH, POLITICAL ASPIRATION.

THAT'S NOT RIGHT.

MAYOR WILLS, YOU REPRESENT EVERYONE.

AND ALL THE COUNCIL MEMBERS REPRESENT ALL OF US.

I REMEMBER ALSO THEY, WHEN WHEN THEY SAY THAT THEY WILL SEND BACK THE RESOLUTION TO REWRITE IS THE SAME.

I'M SORRY, MR. GRAHAM.

MIC MITCHELL, THE RESOLUTION IS THE SAME AND WILL HARM THE SAME.

PLEASE DO NOT GO WITH MR. MAYOR RESOLUTION.

THIS IS ABOUT OUR CITY.

THIS IS ABOUT THE SAFETY.

AND YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU WANT THE SAFETY OF THE CITY.

LET'S WORK TOGETHER.

LET'S WORK TOGETHER.

BECAUSE I BEEN RESIDENT OF, I'M SORRY, YOUR TIME IS OUT OVER 35 YEARS.

AND I LOVE THE CITY.

BUT THE CITY WE'VE GOTTA STICK TO.

WITH YOUR PERMISSION, WHEN I CALL THE NAMES, IF THEY COULD STAND IN THE AISLE, KIND OF BE READY FOR, FOR THEIR TURN, THAT WOULD HELP.

YEAH, THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.

EVERYBODY IF THEY, IF WHEN YOUR NAME IS CALLED, IF YOU COULD STAND IN, IN A QUEUE.

JESUS.

UH, FELIPE RASO AND VIOLET LOBERG LOBERG.

UH, HI EVERYONE.

UH, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THANK YOU TO, UH, COUNCILWOMAN MICHELLE, UH, COUNCIL ORTIZ, COUNCIL GOBEL AND COUNCIL, UH, KENDRICK FOR MEET OR TALK TO US.

UH, LAST, UH, LAST, UH, UH, CITY COUNCIL MEETING YOU TAKE OF, UH, A GOOD DECISION TO, UH, PUT BACK THE RESOLUTION AND, UH, I THINK YOU MADE THAT RIGHT DECISION.

UM, NOW YES.

ERASE THAT RESOLUTION.

WE DON'T NEED THAT RESOLUTION.

ABSOLUTELY NOT.

AND LET ME GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE.

UH, FOR THE LAST EIGHT OR NINE YEARS, WE PUT TOGETHER THE, UH, UH, MIDDLE EAST COMMUNITY AND ALL, ALMOST ALL EMPTY BACKGROUND.

WE PUT TOGETHER A BEAUTIFUL FESTIVAL AT A A JA ACADEMIES.

AND AT THAT FESTIVAL, THE, UH, POLICE, THEY HAD A TABLE AS WELL AS THE SHERIFF, UH, COMPANY SHERIFF.

THEY HAD A TABLE.

AND ONE OF, AND ONE OF THE, UH, UH, THINGS THAT KIDS LIKE TO DO IS TO GO AND TALK TO THE POLICE AND, UH, REPRESENTATIVES AND THE SHERIFF REPRESENTATIVES AND, AND GET IN A STICKER OR SOMETHING.

YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT THAT TO, UH, UH, GO AWAY.

WE WANT TO KEEP THE RELATIONSHIP.

IF, UH, YOU GO, GO, UH, UH, GO WITH THE, UH, RESOLUTION, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE SCARED TO, UH, TAX THE, UH, POLICE, THE LOCAL POLICE THAT, THAT IS NOT GOOD POLITICS, YOU KNOW? THANK YOU, SIR.

THE, THE, THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT I'VE HAD IN THIS COUNTRY.

THANKS FOR COMING.

UH, WELL, UH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR, UH, ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK TO YOU.

AND, UH, I'M, I'M HERE.

I'M A RETIRED PROFESSOR AT CAL, CALIFORNIA STATE UNIVERSITY.

I'VE BEEN RETIRED FROM ENGINEERING, UH, INDUSTRY ALSO.

AND I'M VERY, I WOULD SAY I CONSIDER MYSELF VERY SUCCESSFUL IN THIS COMMUNITY, EVEN THOUGH I DON'T, I, I'M NOT A RESIDENT OF EL CAJON.

I'M, I LIVE IN SANTEE.

I REALLY APPRECIATE

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IT HURTS ME TO SEE THE, THE POLARIZATION RIGHT NOW THAT I'M, I'M SERVING HERE IN THIS MEETING.

YOU KNOW, PEOPLE THAT TRYING TO DEFEND ARE HARD A HARDWORKING, UH, COMMUNITY COMMUNITIES.

IT'S BEEN, IT IS NOT BEEN EASY.

AND ONLY YOU, YOU, YOU PEOPLE AND YOUR ANCESTORS KNOW HOW DIFFICULT IT HAS BEEN.

BUT ALSO WHEN YOU ARE LOOKING AT THE NEWS WAVES OF PEOPLE COMING IN WITH THE HOPES AND THE IDEAS WITH ALL THESE, UH, WISHES THAT TO BECOME BETTER, UH, FINDING A BETTER LIFE, AND THEN THEY STUMBLE THEY STUMBLE AND THEN WE BECOME VICTIMS. I'M CALLED SAYING WE, BECAUSE I BELONG TO THE COMMUNITY.

I'M A RESIDENT OF THE EAST COUNTY.

I BEEN LIVING HERE FOR 40 YEARS.

MY FAMILY IS A SUCCESSFUL FAMILY TOO, AND I'M PROUD, AND I THANK THE COUNTRY FOR THIS.

BUT I ALSO WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND THE, THE PEOPLE THERE BEFORE YOU ASKING FOR A LITTLE BIT MORE CONSIDERATION.

IT IS DIFFICULT.

IT'S VERY DIFFICULT.

I HOPE THAT THIS ALL COMES OUT TO A PEACEFUL SOLUTION AND SMART, UH, UH, MOVES ARE, ARE DONE.

INSTEAD, YOU MAY OR YOUR, YOUR STATEMENTS OR DON'T SEEM TO BE TRANSLATING TO PEACEFUL ACT ACTIONS OUT THERE.

THERE'S FEAR.

THERE'S A LOT OF, UH, INSECURITY.

PEOPLE ARE NOT FEELING VERY COMFORTABLE NOW.

AND THANK YOU, SIR.

THERE, THERE'S, THERE'S SO, THERE'S WAYS OF WORKING AT THINGS THAT ARE NOT SIMPLE.

WE, LIKE SIMPLE.

WE ALL, WE, I'M AN ENGINEER AND I LIKE SIMPLE.

SIR, I, I DON'T WANNA CUT YOU OFF, BUT WE GOTTA STAY THE TWO MINUTES.

OUR COMMUNITIES ARE UNDERSERVED.

LET ME JUST TAKE FIVE SECONDS HERE.

SURE.

AND, AND I, I, I CALL EVERYONE FOR A LITTLE BIT OF CONSIDERATION TO THE, TO THE OTHERS AND FOR YOURSELF TO CONSIDER THIS, BECAUSE THESE PEOPLE ARE GONNA BECOME THE, THE, YOUR, YOUR, YOUR VOTING POPULATION PRETTY SOON.

SO LET'S, LET'S WORK TOGETHER AFTER, AFTER VIOLET LOBERT, WE HAVE MARIA CHAVEZ, NICOLE, UH, BECCA, AND DAVID RICHARDSON.

IF YOU COULD PLEASE MAKE YOUR WAY DOWN MY TIME STARTED.

I HAVEN'T EVEN STARTED.

CAN YOU GUYS RESTART MY TIME, PLEASE? THANK YOU.

YOU WERE THE WHOLE TWO MINUTES.

MAYOR WELLS ON YOUR NATIONAL INTERVIEW STATED THAT ALL YOU ASKED FOR IS IF ILLEGALS ARE INVOLVED IN A HEINOUS CRIME, THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT SHOULD BE ABLE TO CONTACT US.

I AGREE WITH THAT, BUT THIS IS NOT WHAT THIS PROPOSAL IS.

AND I'M HERE TO SPEAK UP FOR THE COMMUNITY THAT ARE NOT CRIMINALS AND ARE BEING TARGETED, ESPECIALLY NOW WITH THE NEW ADMINISTRATION.

SIR MAYOR WELLS, WE'RE NOT ARIZONA, WE'RE NOT CHICAGO, WE'RE NOT NEW YORK, AND WE'RE NOT BOSTON.

WE DO NOT HAVE A PROBLEM.

WHEN MS 13 OR TRAIN DE LA ARGUE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCILS, LOOK AROUND YOU.

WE ARE AL CAJON A HUNDRED EL CAJON HAS A HUNDRED THOUSAND PEOPLE.

OVER 50,000 OF THEM ARE CALDEANS.

OVER 30,000 OF THEM ARE HISPANICS, MAKING THE WHITE MEN AND WHITE WOMEN THE MINORITY.

AL CAJON IS A DIVERSE COMMUNITY OF REFUGEES, MIGRANTS, CITIZENS, DOCUMENTED AND UNDOCUMENTED WE'RE THE PEOPLE WHO MAKE CAJON THRIVE ECONOMICALLY AND WHO ALSO PUT PAYROLL IN YOUR POCKETS.

THIS MORNING, RAM BATTA MADE IT CLEAR THAT IT IS AGAINST THE LAW ANY LEGAL FOR A LOCAL AGENCY TO COLLABORATE WITH THE FEDERAL AGENCY, ESPECIALLY LAW ENFORCEMENT WHO KNOWS BETTER.

BUT WHY IS IT THAT WE ARE THE ONLY CITY IN SAN DIEGO WHO IS CONFUSED ABOUT THE LAW? OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT IS UNDERSTAFFED.

WE HAVE BURGLARIES, THEFTS, DRUG PROBLEMS, AND THE BIGGEST ONE AT THE MOMENT IS FENTANYL AND HOMELESSNESS AND MENTAL HEALTH PROBLEMS THAT REQUIRE THE INTENTION OF OUR POLICE FORCE, OUR POLICE.

MA'AM, YOUR YOUR TIME IS UP.

IF YOU COULD WRAP IT UP, I'D APPRECIATE IT.

I JUST CHALLENGE YOU WHEN YOU WALKED OUT THIS DOOR TO PLEASE SEE WHO YOU REPRESENT AND WHO YOU SERVE.

YOU

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TOOK A OATH TO SERVE AND PROTECT OUR COMMUNITY.

DO NOT BRING IT DOWN.

MARIA CHAVEZ, GO AHEAD.

MY NAME IS MARIA CHAVEZ AND I AM THE IMMIGRATION LEGAL DIRECTOR FOR THE, UH, PARTNERSHIP FOR THE ADVANCEMENT OF NEW AMERICANS OR P.

TODAY WE STRONGLY OPPOSE AGENDA ITEM NINE.

AT PANA, WE ARE PROUD TO WORK WITH MEMBERS AND CITIZENS OF EL CAJON CITY, A VIBRANT HOME TO DIVERSE IMMIGRANT AND REFUGEE COMMUNITIES, INCLUDING OUR NEWEST CO, UH, HOME NEWCOMERS, AFGHAN PAROLEES, AND SYRIAN REFUGEES.

WE'VE ALSO WORKED WITH THIS COUNCIL IN THE PAST TO ENSURE THAT THESE NEWEST MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY WERE ENGAGED AND VISIBLE DURING RE REDISTRICTING IN 2017, HIGHLIGHTING THEIR CULTURAL CONTRIBUTIONS IN ENTREPRENEURIAL ENDEAVORS AND CIVIC ENGAGEMENT POLICIES THAT PRIORITIZED ATTENTION AND EXPEDITED REMOVAL, JEOPARDIZED COMMUNITY TRUST, AND THE ECONOMIC STABILITY OF OUR CITY BY TARGETING OUR FAMILIES.

AND AS AN IMMIGRATION ATTORNEY, I SEE THIS FIRSTHAND EVERY SINGLE DAY.

I REPRESENT EL CAJON COMMUNITY MEMBERS, RESIDENTS, CITIZENS, REFUGEES, ASYLUM SEEKERS.

I'M THE ONE WHO FIGHTS FOR THEM EVERY SINGLE DAY.

YOU ALL NEED TO ALSO BE FIGHTING FOR THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN YOUR COMMUNITIES, PERIOD.

AS MY T-SHIRT SAYS, TYRANNY HAS A WITNESS.

AND THAT IS EVERYBODY IN THIS ROOM WATCHING YOU GUYS.

NEXT WE HAVE RONO ABAR, NICOLE BACCA AND DAVID RICHARDSON.

HI, WELCOME.

HI, UH, MY NAME IS RAHMA ABDI, DIRECTOR OF ORGANIZING AND CAMPAIGN WITH PANA, THE PARTNERSHIP FOR ADVANCEMENT OF NEW AMERICANS.

AT PANA, WE PROUD TO BE WORKING IN ELON CITY, A VIBRANT HOME TO DIVERSE IMMIGRANT AND REFUGEE COMMUNITIES, INCLUDING OUR NEWEST NEWCOMERS, AFGHAN PAROLE, AND SYRIA REFUGEES.

WE HAVE ALSO WORKED WITH THESE CITY COUNCILS TO ENSURE OUR NEWEST MEMBER OF OUR COMMUNITY WERE ENGAGED IN THIS INVISIBLE DURING THE REDISTRICTING IN 2017, HIGHLIGHTING THEIR CULTURE, CONTRIBUTION, ENTREPRENEUR AND CIVIC ENGAGEMENT AS A CITY WITH HISTORY OF WELCOMING IMMIGRANT REFUGEES, THIS IS A MOMENT FOR ELCON LEADERSHIP TO STAND WITH THE COMMUNITIES TO CLEAR EXAMPLE OF MORAL ETHIC LEADERSHIP POLICY THAT PRIORITIZE AND DETENTION AND EXPEDITE REMOVAL, JEOPARDIZED COMMUNITY TRUST, AND THE ECONOMIC STABILITY TO OUR OF OUR CITY BY TARGETING OUR FAMILIES.

AFGHAN UNITARIAN HUMANITARIAN POLICE WERE EVACUATED DUE TO THE COLLAPSE OF AFGHANISTAN.

WERE PROMISED SAFETY AND PROTECTION IN US.

MANY OF THEM SUPPORTED OUR TROOPS MISSION ABROAD, RISKING THEIR LIVES, ADOPTING THIS RESOLUTION.

THE STATE LAW HARMS VULNERABLE RESIDENT AND DAMAGED COMMUNITY TRUST.

INSTEAD, WE CAN CALL ON YOUTH TO SUPPORT OUR LOCAL COMMUNITY, INVESTING IN RESOURCES THAT SUPPORT REFUGEE AND IMMIGRANT INCLUSION, AND INCLUDING LEGAL AID AND COMMUNITY RESOURCE.

THIS IS NOT JUST A, THIS IS NOT JUST A LEGAL OR POLICY MATTER.

IT'S ABOUT PROTECTING VALUE THAT MAKES ELCON BEAUTIFUL AND DIVERSE AND THRIVING COMMUNITY.

IT IS, WE MUST PRIORITIZE FAIRNESS, JUSTICE, AND SAFETY OF ALL RESIDENTS OVER ACTION, THAT FEAR AND OVER ACTION THAT SHOW FEAR AND DIVISION.

NICOLE BACA, OR EXCUSE ME, SIR.

MR. IT WILL BE MR. RICHARDSON AND THEN NICOLE.

OH, OKAY.

GERMANY, ENGLAND, IRISH, MEXICO, SALVADOR, GUATEMALA.

WE FLED VIOLENCE, WE FLED FAMINE.

WE FLED DISGRACE AND DISCRIMINATION IN OUR HOMELANDS.

I'VE TAUGHT DURING THE EIGHTIES AT SOUTHWESTERN COLLEGE, I WAS WITNESS TO THE HISTORY OF WHAT THE VIOLENCE THAT FORCED PEOPLE TO COME TO THE SANCTUARY OF LOS ANGELES AND SAN DIEGO, SALVADOR, GU KO, PEOPLE FROM, UH, NICARAGUA.

THEY CAME BECAUSE THERE WAS AN OPEN DOOR.

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WE BECAME A SANCTUARY FOR THOSE PEOPLE AND THEY INTEGRATED INTO OUR COMMUNITIES.

THEY LOVE AMERICA.

AND LET'S CONTINUE.

LET'S CONTINUE HERE IN EL CAJON AND IN EAST COUNTY, A TRADITION OF SANCTUARY LOVE AND UNDERSTANDING.

I KNOW MANY OF YOU WHO BELONGS TO THE GREAT CHRISTIAN CHURCHES HERE IN THE ELK CALLED EAST COUNTY.

IT'S CHARITY, IT'S LOVE, IT'S THE BEATITUDES.

REVISIT THEM, READ THE SERMON ON THE MOUNT AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN.

REMEMBER, WE'RE ALL IMMIGRANTS AND WE NEED TO BE COMPASSIONATE.

I RECOMMEND THAT YOU WAIT.

AMERICA'S IN CHAOS RIGHT NOW.

I'LL BE BRIEF.

ONE SECOND IS IN CHAOS WITH THE NEW THINKING ABOUT WHAT GOVERNMENT IS THE ROLE OF GOVERNMENT.

WAIT UNTIL THE LAWSUITS ARE HAVE MATURED.

DON'T RUSH INTO SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO CAUSE MORE PAIN, MORE SUFFERING, AND MORE ANXIETY.

IT'S ALREADY HERE AND I WITNESS IT ALSO IN THE ASIAN COMMUNITY EVERY DAY.

BE COMPASSIONATE.

AFTER MS. BACCA, WE HAVE CAROL LEWIS.

CAN YOU HOLD ON ONE SECOND? UH, AFTER THIS, WE, WE NEED TO TAKE A QUICK BREAK FOR THREE MINUTES AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK AND WE CAN CALL EVERYBODY.

MY NAME IS NICOLE BACCA.

I'M A REGISTERED NURSE AND I HOLD A DEGREE IN SOCIOLOGY.

I'M A LIFELONG RESIDENT OF EL CAJON AND ALSO A PROUD GRANDDAUGHTER OF AN IMMIGRANT.

AT THE MEETING TWO WEEKS AGO, ONE OF YOU SHARED A STORY ABOUT YOUR MOTHER GROWING UP IN CZECHOSLOVAKIA IN THE THIRTIES, HOW WHEN HER NEIGHBORS DISAPPEARED, PEOPLE LEARNED TO JUST NOT ASK QUESTIONS.

PEOPLE LOOK BACK AND WONDER HOW THAT COULD HAPPEN.

WELL, I CAN TELL YOU HOW BY LOOKING AT WHAT'S HAPPENING TODAY.

FIRST TWO WEEKS AGO, WE SAW ELON MUSK ON A PRESIDENTIAL STAGE GIVE A LOT NAZI SALUTE.

NOT ONCE, BUT TWICE.

SECOND LAST WEEK, LAST WEEK, OUR PRESIDENT REVOKED PROTECTIONS THAT PREVIOUSLY BARRED ICE FROM ENTERING SENSITIVE AREAS LIKE CHURCHES, SCHOOLS, AND HOSPITALS.

AND NOW, HERE IN EL CAJON, WERE FACED WITH A RESOLUTION THAT PUTS OUR LOCAL POLICE IN THE SERVICE OF ICE TO ENFORCE FEDERAL IMMIGRATION.

SUPPORTERS OF THIS RESOLUTION ARGUE THAT ICE WILL ONLY TARGET VIOLENT CRIMINALS, BUT EVEN ICE LEADERSHIP HAS STATED OTHERWISE.

TOM HOLMAN RECENTLY STATED THAT QUOTE, LONG-TERM UNDOCUMENTED PEOPLE WHO ARE DOING RIGHT IN THEIR CITIES WILL STILL HAVE TO BE TAKEN.

END QUOTE.

LET'S BE CLEAR, THIS RESOLUTION WILL RESULT IN THE TARGETING OF HARDWORKING COMMUNITY MEMBERS, NOT JUST VIOLENT OFFENDERS.

THIS RESOLUTION ISN'T ABOUT SAFETY, IT'S ABOUT DIVISION.

IT UNDERMINES TRUST IN OUR COMMUNITY.

SOMEONE EVEN SUGGESTED RENAMING OR AMENDING THIS RESOLUTION TO MAKE IT SOUND BETTER, BUT LET'S CALL IT WHAT IT IS.

FASCISM.

THIS IS WHAT FASCISM DOES.

IT PITS NEIGHBORS AGAINST NEIGHBORS WHILE PEOPLE LIKE BILL WELLS SEEK POWER.

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THIS IS A PIVOTAL MOMENT.

I URGE YOU TO VOTE NO ON THIS RESOLUTION.

NONE OF OUR SURROUNDING CITIES ARE PROPOSING SUCH A MEASURE, AND WE MUST NOT ALLOW EL CAJON TO SET THIS DANGEROUS PRECEDENT.

WHEN ASKED WHY WE NEED TO MAKE THIS RESOLUTION, BILL WELLS SAID, QUOTE, WE DON'T HAVE TO, BUT I WANT TO END QUOTE.

WE WILL NOT STAND IDLY BY WHILE OUR NEIGHBORS ARE HARASSED, PROFILED, AND DISCRIMINATED AGAINST.

LET US CHOOSE COMPASSION AND UNITY OVER FEAR AND DIVISION.

QUICK TAKE A QUICK BREAK AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK AND CONTINUE THIS.

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, COULD YOU ALL PLEASE TAKE YOUR SEATS? WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE WITH THE MEETING NOW, OTHERWISE WE'RE GONNA BE HERE TILL SIX IN THE MORNING.

WHAT THE WORKSHOP, THAT WAY PEOPLE THAT ARE WATCHING ONLINE.

I DO WANNA SAY THAT, UH, OUR WORKSHOP TONIGHT ON THE FIRE PROTECTION DISTRICT IS GOING TO BE, UH, POSTPONED BECAUSE OF THE RANK OF THIS MEETING, BUT THAT'S OKAY.

IF YOU COULD PLEASE TAKE YOUR SEATS, I'D APPRECIATE IT.

I KNOW IT'S A LONG MEETING, BUT WE, WE WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYBODY GETS A CHANCE TO SPEAK.

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WE'LL CONTINUE IT.

UH, WHO'S OUR NEXT SPEAKER? OUR NEXT SPEAKERS ARE CAROL LEWIS DILL, WATTS AM MAYOR, AND DR.

GIO CONTI.

HAVE EVERYBODY HEAR WHO THE SPEAKERS ARE? OUR FIRST SPEAKERS, CAROL LEWIS.

CAROL, ARE YOU HERE? HI, MS. LEWIS.

HI KONG.

UH, HI COUNCIL AND MAYOR WELLS AND STAFF.

THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME HAVE A MOMENT.

UM, THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE TODAY WHO I KNOW ARE ANGRY AND THINGS.

I'M COMING TO YOU WITH A BROKEN HEART, AND SO I'M PRETTY EMOTIONAL, SO I'M GONNA READ THIS.

UM, AS YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH EL CAJON COLLABORATIVE AND LITTLE HOUSE FOR OVER 10 YEARS, AND I'VE BUILT A LOT OF TRUST AMONG OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS.

UM, IT'S BEEN A REAL HONOR FOR ME TO WORK WITH THESE FAMILIES.

I'M TALKING ABOUT SOME OF OUR FAMILIES WHO EVEN HAVE LEGAL REFUGEE STATUS, AND THEY'RE GETTING CONFUSED BY ALL OF THE MESSAGES THAT THEY'RE HEARING, UM, ON THE NEWS AND THROUGH FRIENDS.

AND THEY'RE FEARFUL.

AND I'M REALLY AFRAID, AND THIS IS WHAT I'VE BEEN HEARING FROM OTHER FAMILIES AS WELL TOO, THAT THEY'RE AFRAID TO SEND THEIR KIDS TO SCHOOL.

THAT THEY'RE AFRAID TO REPORT CRIMES, THAT THEY'RE AFRAID TO GO TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD CLINICS, AND THAT THEY'RE AFRAID TO EVEN GO TO THE HOSPITAL.

AND I THINK THIS COULD BECOME A REAL PUBLIC HEALTH ISSUE, AND WE'RE REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT AS WELL.

UM, WE KNOW THIS IS ONE OF THE WORST YEARS FOR RESPIRATORY ILLNESSES FOR KIDS.

WE DON'T WANNA MAKE SURE THAT OUR KIDS ARE, ARE GETTING THE PROPER CARE THAT THEY NEED, AND THEY'RE NOT AFRAID TO GO TO THE HOSPITAL OR THE DOCTORS WHEN THEY NEED IT.

UM, I JUST WANT YOU TO PLEASE CONSIDER CAREFULLY THE MESSAGE THAT YOU ARE SENDING TO THE FAMILIES THAT YOU'VE SPENT THE LAST FEW DECADES GAINING THEIR TRUST, ASSISTING THEM WITH BUILDING BUSINESSES, EDUCATING THEIR CHILDREN WHO ARE NOW GETTING DEGREES AND COMING BACK TO SERVE IN EAST COUNTY AND WHO ARE BRINGING THEIR RICH CULTURES.

AND GARY, AS YOU KNOW, FOOD, UM, TO OUR CITY, I WOULD BE ASHAMED TO HAVE THEM BECOME AFRAID OF OUR LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS WHO HAVE SUPPORTED THEM ALL THESE YEARS.

SO THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME SPEAK YOU, MS. ALEX SPEAR.

MS. AMIR AHMED, YOU'RE NEXT.

OH, OKAY.

GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR.

WELCOME, UH, MAYOR.

WELL SPELLS AND GOOD AFTERNOON ALL OF THE CITY MEMBERS.

UH, COUNCIL.

MY NAME IS QUA AHMED.

I'M THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF LICENSE TO FREEDOM.

WE'VE BEEN IN AL CAHO FOR 24 YEARS.

24 YEARS AGO, I CAME TO THIS CITY AND TO THIS COUNTRY AS ASYLUM SEEKERS.

24 YEARS LATER, I PUT TOGETHER AN ORGANIZATION FOR 27 STAFF.

AND I'M SO PROUD, YOU KNOW, TO BE RESIDENT OF THE CITY OF EL CAJON, I DEDICATED MYSELF TO SERVING IN OUR COMMUNITY IN EVERY WAY POSSIBLE.

I RAISED TWO KIDS, ONE OF THEM, HE'S A OFFICER CANDIDATE FOR THE ARMY.

AND MY DAUGHTER, SHE WORK AT THE, UH, DA OFFICE HERE IN THE COURT.

AND I RAISED A WONDERFUL HUSBAND.

HE WAS WORKING IN SYRIA WITH THE, I RAISED THEM, BELIEVE ME, I HEARD WITH THE US ARMY.

SO EVERY DAY I WORKED CHARLIE TO ENSURE THAT THE SAFETY OF THE REFUGEE COMMUNITY BY RAISING AWARENESS ABOUT VIOLENCE AND PROVIDING CRITICAL SUPPORT FOR THOSE WHO ARE VICTIMS OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AND SEXUAL ASSAULT, IT'S PRIVILEGE TO CONTRIBUTE THE WELLBEING AND THE RESILIENCE OF OUR COMMUNITY.

BUT IT'S ALSO A REMIND OF THE CHALLENGE.

SO MANY FACE, YOU KNOW, UH, TO REMIND THEM THE CHALLENGES.

SO MANY FACE AND IMPORTANT OF STANDING TOGETHER TO PROTECT THE VULNERABLE MR. BE WELLS.

TODAY I HAVE TO CALL ONE OF THE AFGHAN WOMEN WHO PASSED 17 COUNTRIES AND CITIES TO CROSS THE BORDER AND TO MAKE IT SAFE TO UNITED STATES.

THIS WOMAN TALIBAN KILLED HER HUSBAND AND SHE WAS RAPED ALL THE WAY UNTIL SHE MADE IT HERE.

I HAVE TO TELL HER TO TAKE YOUR SON, PULL HIM FROM SCHOOL IN CASE IF THEY DEPORT YOU.

SO THEY WILL BE TOGETHER.

PLEASE, MAYOR.

WELL, I WILL URGE YOU TO TAKE ACTION TO STOP THE DEPORTATION OF THOSE VULNERABLE MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY TO ENSURE THAT THEY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SEEK SAFETY AND STABILITY.

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AND AFTER THAT, IF WE CAN HAVE, UH, REVEREND GARY KASS, MARY DAVIS AND CHRIS FORD.

PLEASE MAKE YOUR WAY DOWN SO YOU CAN BE READY TO SPEAK.

THEY LEAVE FOR ANNIE FRANK ANN FRANK, JANUARY 13TH, 1943.

UH, BEFORE MY TIME START, CAN I TAKE ONE MINUTE TO SHOW MY PASSPORT AND MY ELECTRICITY BILL TO MAYOR WALLS? YOU GOT TWO MINUTES.

I LIVE IN CAHO BECAUSE YOU SAY THAT MOST PEOPLE COME HERE, THEY CAME FROM ANOTHER CITY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

I LIVE IN CAHO.

AND, UH, GO AHEAD.

START TIME 30 WAR THINGS ARE HAPPENING OUTSIDE.

POOR, HELPLESS.

PEOPLE ARE BEING DRUGGED OUT OF THEIR HOMES.

FAMILIES ARE TORN APART.

MENS, WOMENS AND CHILDREN ARE SEPARATED.

CHILDREN CAME HOME FROM A SCHOOL TO FIND THAT THEIR PARENTS HAVE DISAPPEAR.

IT'S HAPPENING AGAIN.

AND THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR WA WHEN I MOVED TO EL CAJON ONE YEAR, I WISH I BELIEVE MORE THAN CAJON BECAUSE I LOVE THIS CITY.

REALLY.

FIRST THING, I, I TALK TO MY FRIEND JESUS.

I SAY I, I HAVE A MASTER IN PUBLIC HEALTH.

THEN I LIKE TO RESEARCH.

THEN I SAY 30% OF THE POPULATION IN CAHO ARE LATINOS.

THE OTHER 30% ARE FROM MIDDLE EAST, LIKE MY FRIEND HERE, AND 10% ARE AFRICAN AMERICA.

AND I ASKED HIM WHY ALL OUR COUNCIL MEMBER ARE WHITE AND OUR MAYOR ARE WHITE.

MY FRIEND TOLD ME, BECAUSE WE ARE PENDEJO.

THAT'S MEAN WE'RE DUMB PEOPLE.

THIS I'M, BUT WHAT YOU NEED TO LEARN, MR. MAYOR, IS THE PERCEPTION OF YOU GUYS HAVE ABOUT THE LATINO COMMUNITY IS VERY DIFFERENT.

WHAT THE REALITY IS, WE ARE THE 20% OF THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN USA ARE LATINO.

FROM FIVE PEOPLE WHO ARE LATINO LIVING IN USA FOUR ARE CITIZENS.

WE ARE THE FIFTH ECONOMY IN THE WAR.

YOU KNOW, ONLY USA BY THEMSELVES, UH, CHINA, JAPAN, GERMANY ARE, HAS MORE ECONOMIC POWER THAN THE LATINO LIVE IN, IN USA.

THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT.

WE ARE VERY POWERFUL.

OUR AVERAGE, OH MY GOODNESS, UH, UH, THE, WE ARE JUST 12 YEARS OLD.

AVERAGE, YOU ARE 58 YEARS OLD.

YOUR AVERAGE NOW THE, THE LATINO FORCE WILL HELP TO THIS COUNTRY TO BE THE BIG COUNTRY THAT ALWAYS WILL BE.

OUR LAWS, STOOD IN LINE AND BECAME CITIZENS, LAWFULLY AND JUSTICE FOR THE VICTIMS OF THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN VICTIMS OF ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT CRIME.

THANKS REVEREND GARY CAS, REVEREND CASS, WELCOME.

GOOD EVENING COUNSEL.

UH, MAYOR, I PASTORED HERE FOR 18 YEARS, WAS ON THE GROSSMONT SCHOOL BOARD HERE, RAISED MY KIDS HERE.

MY DAUGHTER GRADUATED FROM BAAL, AND MY TWO SONS GRADUATED FROM MONTE VISTA.

SO I HAVE A GREAT AFFECTION FOR THIS, UH, COMMUNITY.

UH, WE'RE NOT HERE BECAUSE OF NAZIM.

WE'RE NOT HERE BECAUSE OF RACISM.

WE'RE HERE BECAUSE THERE WAS A PROBLEM THAT YOU DIDN'T CREATE.

WE DIDN'T CREATE.

BUT NOW WE HAVE TO FACE IT.

AND LET'S BE HONEST, IT'S AGONIZING AND IT'S FRUSTRATING.

BUT NOW THE TRUTH IS, ALL OF THE NEGLECT OF THE FEDERAL ADMINISTRATIONS HAVE NOW COME HOME TO ROOST.

A LOT OF BIBLE BEEN QUOTED HERE.

SO LET ME QUOTE THE BIBLE.

ROMANS 13 SAYS, WHEN YOU BECAME ELECTED OFFICIALS, YOU ARE TO BE THOSE WHO REPRESENT GOD IN GOVERNMENT AUTHORITY.

WHEN YOU TOOK YOUR OFFICE, YOU RAISED YOUR HAND.

MANY OF YOU PUT YOUR HAND ON A BIBLE AND TOOK AN OATH TO UPHOLD THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES.

WE ARE A NATION OF LAWS, INCLUDING IMMIGRATION LAWS.

YOU DON'T, YOU TOOK AN OATH THAT YOU WOULD STAND FOR THE CONSTITUTION.

NOW, THE FACT THAT OUR IMMIGRATION LAWS WERE NOT BEING ENFORCED IS NOT YOUR PROBLEM.

BUT NOW THAT THEY ARE, IT IS YOUR DUTY TO STAND ON THE CONSTITUTION AND THE RULE OF LAW.

THIS IS OBVIOUSLY, UH, VERY EMOTIONAL.

THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA HAS THE MOST GENEROUS IMMIGRATION LAWS IN THE WORLD.

COMPARE IT TO MEXICO OR ANYWHERE ELSE.

WE ALLOW TRUE ASYLUM SEEKERS TO FIND PLACES.

SO WE'RE ASKING FOR JUSTICE.

JUSTICE FOR THE PEOPLE WHO OBEYED

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SO, DO YOUR JOB.

DO YOUR JOB, AND DO WHAT YOU WERE ELECTED TO DO AND UPHOLD YOUR VOW THAT YOU TOOK WHEN YOU BECAME A MEMBER OF THE CONSTITUTION.

THANK YOU, DR. MARY DAVIS, AND THEN CHRIS FORD.

HELLO.

UM, I'M A LITTLE FROGGY.

SO MARY DAVIS.

FIRST TIME IN YOUR CHAMBER HERE.

SO I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT WE HAVE HEARD A LOT OF RED RHETORIC, A LOT OF HYPERBOLE, A LOT OF RAW EMOTIONS.

UM, BUT I THINK WE ALSO NEED TO HEAR THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STORY.

AND I, I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE NOT EVEN FROM EL CAJON.

UH, MY KIDS WENT TO HIGH SCHOOL HERE, AND I HAVE A DEEP CONNECTION TO THIS CITY, UH, AND I KNOW IT WELL.

EL CAJON IS A CITY FULL OF LEGAL IMMIGRANTS, LEGAL IMMIGRANTS AND REFUGEES.

ONCE YOU'VE HAD THEIR IMMIGRATION PROCESS DELAYED BY THE DIVERSION OF RESOURCES SPENT ON ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION, UH, A LOCAL ATTORNEY SAID THAT 85% OF ASYLUM CLAIMS ARE DENIED, INDICATING THAT THE MAJORITY CLAIMING ASYLUM DON'T EVEN QUALIFY.

THOSE TRULY SEEKING ASYLUM COULD PRESENT THEMSELVES AT THE BORDER.

PEOPLE SNEAKING ACROSS THE BORDER, DASHING ONTO OUR SHORES IN PANGA BOATS ARE ACTIVELY TRYING TO EVADE DETECTION.

THEY ARE UNVETTED AND DESER AND DO NOT DESERVE A BLANKET SHIELD OF PROTECTION.

UM, ALSO, YOU SHOULD COMPLY WITH FEDERAL LAW OR ELSE YOU WOULD RISK, UH, FEDERAL FUNDING LOSING OUT ON THAT.

POLICE OFFICERS SHOULDN'T BE THE MONKEY IN THE MIDDLE.

HAVING TO, UH, GO BETWEEN FEDERAL LAW AND STATE LAW AND DECIDING, UH, LASTLY, TURNING A BLIND EYE TO ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION COMES AT A PRICE NOT ONLY THE ENORMOUS EXPENSE TO TAXPAYERS, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY THE COST OF HUMAN LIFE OF THOSE WHO SHOULD BE ALIVE.

UM, NAMES LIKE, UH, RACHEL MORIN, ELIZABETH MEDINA, JUST, UH, JOCELYN AND GARY LAKE AND RILEY.

THOSE ARE IN THE NEWS ON A NATIONAL LEVEL.

LOCALLY, WE HAD A GUNMAN IN SACRAMENTO, AND NOBODY SEEMS TO KNOW THESE GIRLS' NAMES.

IT'S SAMIA, SAMANTHA AND SAMARA MORA.

THEIR FATHER SHOULD HAVE BEEN ARRESTED.

THEY LET HIM OUT AFTER FIGHTING WITH A POLICE OFFICER BEING ARRESTED FOR DRUNK DRIVING.

HE KILLED THEM A WEEK LATER.

THESE GIRLS HAVE A NAME AND THAT THEIR BLOOD IS ON THE HANDS OF SB 54 AND ANY, UM, ENTITY IS COMPLICIT.

THANK YOU, MA'AM.

WE'RE FINISHED.

YEAH, AFTER MR. FORD, IF WE CAN HAVE COREY TER RO UH, BEN GOOD.

AND GLEN BEIGE TO SPEAK, PLEASE.

GOOD, GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYBODY.

COUNSEL.

IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THE CRUX OF YOUR ISSUE IS WHETHER OR NOT THE SB 54 LAW SEEMS TO CONFLICT WITH FEDERAL LAW.

WELL, LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT THE FEDERAL RULE OF LAW IN THIS COUNTRY.

RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE THE TIKTOK BAN THAT MADE IT THROUGH ALL THREE BRANCHES OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, AND THEN WAS NOT ENFORCED BY NOT ONE, BUT TWO PRESIDENTS UNDER THE CONSTITUTION.

IT IS THEIR JOB TO ENFORCE LAWS.

BUT HEY, THEN WE HAVE THESE SIX OR SO FEDERAL ACTS THAT PREVENT THE US FROM SENDING SUPPLIES AND WEAPONS TO COUNTRIES THAT USE IT TO ENACT A GENOCIDE AND OTHERWISE COMMIT WAR CRIMES.

BUT WE DO IT ALL THE TIME.

AND THEN FINALLY, PRESIDENT TRUMP WAS CONVICTED OF 34 FELONIES AND DUE TO A UNMITIGATED DISCHARGE, WILL NOT SERVE ANY TIME, WILL NOT PAY ANY FINE, BECAUSE HIS JOB IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE RULE OF LAW.

THE FEDERAL RULE OF LAW IS A JOKE OR QUICKLY BECOMING ONE, A SICK JOKE AT THAT.

SO LET'S TURN TO THE STATE LAW.

SB 54 IS NOT PERFECT.

NO LAW IS PERFECT, BUT IT IS THE LAW OF THIS STATE.

IT ALREADY HAS PROVISIONS FOR DEALING WITH VIOLENT OFFENDERS.

WHY WOULD WE BE SUPERFLUOUS BY TRYING TO INVOLVE ICE AND OTHER FEDERAL AGENCIES THAT ARE RUNNING ROUGHSHOD OVER THESE COMMUNITIES? SO OBVIOUSLY THE LAW IS DIFFICULT TO FOLLOW.

SOMETIMES IT SHOULD BE CLEAR, BUT IT'S NOT.

IT'S OFTEN MURKY.

SO INSTEAD, I WOULD APPEAL TO YOU AND YOUR ETHICAL OBLIGATIONS.

YOUR ETHICAL OBLIGATION IS TO SERVE THE PEOPLE OF THIS COMMUNITY AND TO ASSURE A FAIR AND JUST TREATMENT.

THERE IS NOTHING FAIR OR DIGNIFIED ABOUT WHAT IS HAPPENING IN THIS COUNTRY RIGHT NOW TO DOCUMENTED AND UNDOCUMENTED PEOPLE.

I'M A SAN AGAN AND I'M A RESIDENT OF EL CAJON, AND I HAVE BEEN FOR MANY, MANY YEARS.

I'M SCARED.

I'M SCARED FOR MY

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NEIGHBORS.

I'M SCARED FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE THE LIFEBLOOD OF THIS CITY AND NOT JUST MYSELF.

THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.

ALRIGHT, TWO MINUTES.

UH, IN YOUR DECLARATION OF LIEUTENANT, IT READS THE SOLE PURPOSE OF REMOVING THOSE THAT HAVE COMMITTED VIOLENT AND CRIMINAL OFFENSES.

I'M CONFUSED HOW ANYONE COULD BE AGAINST THAT.

LET'S TALK ABOUT HOW THE DETANT FOR CRIMINALS WORKS.

ON APRIL 18TH, 2024, AT ABOUT 1:45 AM A SUSPECT ENTERED A HOME LOCATED LINDA VISTA AND SEXUALLY ASSAULTED A FIVE-YEAR-OLD GIRL.

THAT SUSPECT WAS ALEJANDRO JOSE CONFESSOR, A GUATEMALA NATIONAL WHO CAME TO THE US ON COUNTERFEIT VISA ICE, REQUESTED THE DETAINER TO COME PICK HIM UP TO GO PICK HIM UP.

SAN DIEGO COUNTY DENIED IT.

ICE THEN REQUESTED A PERFORMANCE INTERVIEW.

THEY DENIED IT BECAUSE OF SB 54.

FINALLY, ICE WAS GRABBING PERMISSION FORWARD TO AN INTERVIEW CON WITH CONFESSOR TO, AND WHEN THEY GOT IN THERE, THEY LOOKED AT HIS PHONE, ON HIS PHONE AFTER THEY SAW WHAT WAS ON HIS PHONE.

THEY HAD TO CALL ICAC INTERNET CRIMES AGAINST CHILDREN BECAUSE OF THE CHILD PORNOGRAPHY ON HIS PHONE.

BUT WHO IS THE FAMILY? THE FAMILY, THE CHILD.

SHE'S A FIVE-YEAR-OLD LITTLE GIRL OF A LOCAL NAVY SEAL.

IF WE CAN'T PROTECT THESE PEOPLE, WHAT ARE WE DOING? SO ARE WE TRYING TO PROTECT CRIMINALS OR RESIDENTS? TWO WEEKS AGO, I HAD A VERY INFORMATIVE AND PRIVATE DINNER WITH TOM HOLMAN.

I'LL TELL YOU THAT.

HE'S COMING.

HE'S COMING HERE TO EL CAJON.

HE KNOWS ABOUT SOUTHWEST KEYS.

HE KNOWS THAT COUNCILMAN GO LOOKED INTO IT MANY YEARS AGO.

HE KNOWS THAT A LARGE PORTION OF THE STREET DROP-OFFS WERE HERE IN EL CAJON.

HE KNOWS HOW EVERYONE'S GONNA VOTE TODAY.

LET'S MAKE SURE WE DO IT RIGHT.

SO WHEN HE COMES TO TOWN, WE CAN WORK WITH HIM AND GET THE VIOLENT PEOPLE OUT OF THIS CITY.

AND THESE PEOPLE APPARENTLY WOULD LIKE THESE VIOLENT PEOPLE HERE.

MAKES ABSOLUTE NO SENSE.

NONE.

LET'S, LET'S GET THE VIOLENT PREDATORS OUTTA HERE.

THANK YOU, BEN.

WHEN YOU GOT THAT.

WE'LL JUST WAIT TILL IT'S FINISHED.

IT'S ABSOLUTELY HORRIFIC.

ALL RIGHT.

YOU CAN GO AHEAD HIT THAT BUZZ.

GO AHEAD.

I'LL PROBABLY BE QUICKER IN TWO MINUTES.

ANYWAYS.

FIRST OFF, I WANNA THANK EVERYBODY FOR COMING.

THE COUNCILMEN, THE PEOPLE ON BOTH SIDES OF THE AISLE.

UM, I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT BEFORE I EVEN GET INTO WHO I AM, THE PROBLEM'S NOT IN THE ROOM.

AND EVERYONE NEEDS TO REMEMBER THAT.

NOW, LISTEN, JUST LISTEN.

THE PROBLEM'S NOT IN THE ROOM.

THE PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE ARE OBVIOUSLY CIVIL PEOPLE WHO HAVE COME HERE LEGALLY, OR THEY WOULDN'T BE HERE IF THEY'RE AFRAID AS THEY'RE CLAIMING THIS WHOLE TIME.

AND THE, THE PEOPLE WHOM ARE IN THE ROOM ARE TRYING TO DO A CIVIL PROCESS.

WE'RE NOT HERE FOR THAT.

WE'RE HERE BECAUSE WE HAVE HAD AN ADMINISTRATION FOR THE PAST FOUR YEARS.

RUN US DOWN THE RAILROAD.

I HAVE SEEN UNSPEAKABLE THINGS IN MY BACKYARD, UNSPEAKABLE.

YOU WOULD NOT WANT TO KNOW WHAT I HAVE SEEN WITH MY EYES.

WHAT I'VE TAKEN MY YOUNG SON OUT TO SEE HAS BEEN UNSPEAKABLE WHAT WE'VE BEEN PUT UPON US.

I WON'T GO INTO THE DETAILS BECAUSE NOBODY WANTS TO LOSE THEIR LUNCH HERE TODAY.

UM, SO AGAIN, IT'S NOT THE GOOD PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE.

IT'S NOT THE GOOD PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE.

IT'S THE PEOPLE THAT ARE OUT THERE.

THE CITY OF EL CAJON IS LOSING MONEY.

HOW DO I KNOW THEY'RE LOSING MONEY? I OWN A SMALL BUSINESS.

I WILL NOT SEND MY PEOPLE TO THE HOME DEPOT IN EL CAJON.

WHY WON'T I SEND 'EM TO THE PEOPLE IN EL, IN EL CAJON? BECAUSE IT'S NOT SAFE ANYMORE.

IF IT WAS SAFE, WE WOULD NOT HAVE TOWERS UP.

NOW WITH LIGHTS FLASHING AND CAMERAS GOING, MY OWN MOTHER WHO WAS BORN HERE PRACTICALLY GOES WAY BACK HERE.

SHE WON'T GO TO THAT HOME DEPOT ANYMORE.

IT'S NOT THE PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM.

IT, IT IS NOT THE PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM.

IT'S, IT'S THE PEOPLE WHO CAME HERE ILLEGAL, WHO DO NOT HAVE ANYTHING, ANY OTHER REASON TO BE HERE, OTHER THAN TO INFLICT HARM AND TO GET AWAY FROM THEIR OWN COUNTRIES WHERE THEY'VE ALREADY INFLICTED HARM.

IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE GOOD STANDING PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM.

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UNFORTUNATELY, WE'VE ALL BEEN PUT IN A VERY BAD PLACE, AND WE NEED TO RECOGNIZE THAT, THAT THERE'S FEAR ON BOTH SIDES.

AFTER MR. BAGGA, AND I'M SORRY, I KNOW I'M SAYING YOUR NAME WRONG, WE HAVE JOSE CRUZ, MARCY STRANGE, AND MARIA CURRY.

IF YOU CAN PLEASE MAKE YOUR WAY DOWN.

JOSE CRUZ, MARCY STRANGE, AND MARIA CURRY.

MY NAME IS GLENN BOGGY.

I'M A BUSINESS OWNER IN ELON FOR OVER 30 YEARS.

I WANNA THANK THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE STAFF AND MAYOR WELLS FOR, UH, GIVING ME THIS TIME TODAY TO SPEAK, UM, ABOUT THIS RESOLUTION.

ACCORDING TO US IMMIGRATION AND CUSTOMS ENFORCEMENT, THERE ARE APPROXIMATELY 650,000 CRIMINAL ILLEGAL ALIENS IN OUR COUNTRY THAT ARE NOT IN CUSTODY.

THESE INDIVIDUALS HAVE EITHER BEEN CONVICTED OR CHARGED WITH HORRIBLE CRIMES, MURDER, SEX, SEX TRAFFICKING, CHILD TRAFFICKING, ASSAULT, BURGLARY, WEAPON OFFENSES, AND DANGEROUS DEALINGS WITH DRUGS LIKE FENTANYL THAT HAVE KILLED THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF AMERICANS JUST IN THE LAST FEW YEARS, WE KNOW THERE'S 650,000 NON-CITIZENS CRIMINALS RUNNING LOOSE IN THE UNITED STATES.

I THINK IT'S SAFE TO AS ASSUME, GIVEN THAT EL CAJON IS A SMALL TOWN, NOT TOO FAR FROM A BORDER, THAT SOME OF THOSE CRIMINALS COULD END UP HERE.

I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY NOBODY DOES.

I DON'T THINK WE ALL LOVE THE BRAVE MEN AND WOMEN OF OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT.

IT'S INEVITABLE THAT THEY WILL COME IN CONTACT WITH THEM TO NOT ALLOW OUR POLICE OFFICERS TO DEAL WITH THESE CRIMINALS IN THE PROPER FASHION.

I, USING THE TOOLS THAT ARE IN FRONT OF THEM TO NOT ALLOW THEM TO WORK WITH FEDERAL IMMIGRATION AGENTS WOULD BE CRIMINAL ITSELF, I FEEL, AND THAT WOULD LEAD TO MORE CRIME IN EL CAJON.

SO THANK YOU FOR HEARING ME.

THANK YOU FOR KEEPING EL CAJON SAFE AND THANK YOU FOR LISTENING.

HEY, GOOD AFTERNOON.

MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL AND MAYOR WELLS AND, UH, THE REST OF YOU GUYS HERE, UH, PART OF THE CITY AND ALL OF YOU GUYS AND EVERYONE IN THE ROOM, ACTUALLY.

UM, WE'RE NOT ENEMIES.

YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE FRIENDS.

YOU PROBABLY KNOW SOME PEOPLE THAT MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE DOCUMENTS, AND I KNOW YOU LIKE THEM.

THEY'RE NOT BAD PEOPLE.

UM, I'VE LIVED IN EL CAJON MY WHOLE LIFE.

I WENT TO EL CAJON VALLEY HIGH SCHOOL.

I REMEMBER IN THE NINETIES AS A TEENAGER, WE HAD A WONDERFUL, UH, GOVERNOR BACK IN THE DAY, PETE WILSON.

AND THEY HAD A SIMILAR LAW THAT WHAT YOU WANNA ENACT NOWADAYS, WHERE THEY COULD PULL ANYONE OVER JUST BECAUSE THEY LOOKED SUSPICIOUS.

I GOT PULLED OVER A FEW TIMES JUST WALKING DOWN THE SIDEWALK BY POLICE OFFICERS, THEN WAITING FOR A COUPLE HOURS UNTIL IMMIGRATION SHOWED UP.

UH, BACK IN THE DAY IT WAS CALLED INS, IT WAS NOT BORDER PATROL.

SO I WAS PUT THROUGH A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, UH, FEAR.

AND, AND I, I FEEL IT RIGHT NOW.

I'M A US CITIZEN AND I FEEL FEAR BECAUSE I KNOW THIS RESOLUTION AND I KNOW OUR WHITE FRIENDS DON'T REALIZE IT BECAUSE THEY HAVE NEVER SUFFERED FROM THAT.

BUT IT, IT, IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU CANNOT EXPLAIN.

UNLESS YOU'RE IN MY SHOES AND I'M A BROWN PERSON, THEY'RE GONNA SEE ME AS A POTENTIAL MS 13 GUY.

IF I'M NOT WEARING MY SUIT, HEY, WHERE'S YOUR PASSPORT? I'M GONNA BE SUPER OFFENDED IF ANY OF OUR POLICE OFFICERS PULL ME OVER AND THEN ASK FOR MY PAPERS BECAUSE I'M A US CITIZEN JUST LIKE ANYBODY ELSE IN THIS ROOM.

SO I, DISCRIMINATION IS GONNA HAPPEN.

I KNOW THAT'S NOT THE INTENTION OF THE RULE, BUT THAT'S GONNA BE THE CONSEQUENCE.

OKAY? THAT'S GONNA BE THE CONSEQUENCE.

'CAUSE I HAVE LIVED BEFORE.

I'VE BEEN HERE MY WHOLE LIFE.

I'M, I'M A PROUD EL CAJON EAST COUNTY PERSON.

AND YOU KNOW, IF YOU GUYS PASS THIS RESOLUTION, LIKE I MENTIONED TO YOU MAYOR BEFORE, I'M JUST GONNA SELL MY HOUSE AND MOVE OUT OF HERE BECAUSE I'M NOT GONNA GIVE MY TAX DOLLARS TO A CITY THAT DOESN'T LIKE ME BECAUSE I LOOK LIKE A BROWN PERSON.

LET LET THE, LET THE BORDER PATROL DO THEIR JOB.

LET'S NOT LET OUR COPS ACT LIKE FEDERAL AGENTS BECAUSE

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THEY'RE NOT.

THAT'S RIGHT.

LET THEM DO THEIR POLICING JOB, NOT FINISH UP.

APPRECI THE JOB OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

THANK MS. MARCY STRANGE AT 8:55 AM IN FEBRUARY, 2024.

LAKE AND WILEY'S LAST TEXT TO HER MOTHER, READ GOOD MORNING, ABOUT TO GO FOR A RUN.

IF YOU'RE FREE TO TALK WITHIN HALF AN HOUR, SHE WAS BLUDGEONED AND ASPHYXIATED TO DEATH.

I ALSO USED TO JOG AT UNIVERSITY OF GEORGIA, THOSE SAME TRAILS.

SO IT IS VERY PERSONAL TO ME.

PLEASE VOTE YES ON THIS RESOLUTION, BUT REPLACE THE WORD INTENT WITH REQUIRE TAXPAYERS OVERSIGHT FOR PARENTS AND STUDENTS.

ASK THE CITY OF EL CAJON TO COOPERATE WITH ICE.

IF YOU WANNA PARTICIPATE AND PRIORITIZE PUBLIC SAFETY.

PROTECT CHILDREN FROM SEX TRAFFICKING.

BE THE ROLE MODEL FOR OTHER CITIES AND UPHOLD FEDERAL LAWS THAT TAKES PRIORITY OVER ANY STATE.

WE WANT IMMIGRANTS.

MY FAMILY IS FULL OF IMMIGRANTS, BUT THEY MUST BE LEGAL TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE TAX BASE, NOT DEPLETED.

THANK YOU MAYOR WELLS FOR BRINGING THIS RESOLUTION TO THE BOARD.

I THOUGHT THIS RESOLUTION WAS GONNA BE GOOD UNTIL I HEARD THE WORD INTENT.

TO REMOVE RAPISTS, KILLERS AND CRIMINALS REMOVING DANGEROUS CRIMINALS MUST BE A REQUIREMENT, NOT AN INTENT.

AS IT STANDS NOW, THIS RESOLUTION GIVES CARTELS A LOOPHOLE BECAUSE IT'S INCOMPLETE.

IT'S ONE HAPPY MEAL.

EXCUSE ME, IT'S ONE HAMBURGER.

SHORT OF A HAPPY MEAL.

PLEASE REQUIRE DEPORTATIONS OF DANGEROUS CRIMINALS SO WE WON'T BE MISSING ANOTHER 350,000 CHILDREN.

THANK YOU, MA'AM.

APPRECIATE IT ALSO ADDS TO YOUR HOMELESSNESS.

AFTER MARIA CURRY, WE HAVE DUSTIN HAYES, RYAN FAN, AND SALIM HAYEK.

WELL, I'M JOSEPH PRICE OF, SUPPOSEDLY THIS IS A GREAT COUNTRY AND I THINK IT'S IN DECLINE JUST THE WAY, UH, WE ARE LOOKING WITH SOME OF THE COMMENTS JUST BEFORE ME.

I JUST WANNA, UH, I STUDIED AT CORNELL AND, UH, MEXICO PAID FOR IT.

MY COUNTRY DOES THINGS LIKE THAT.

AND I CAME HERE AND BECAME A CITIZEN.

SO HOW THIS AFFECTS OUR COMMUNITY, THIS RESOLUTION, OUR CULTURE AND HISTORIC CONTINUITY BY BREAKING NEIGHBORHOODS.

AND, UH, I LIVE, UH, NINE MINUTES FROM HERE AND THERE'S A LOT OF RACISM AND THE ECONOMY.

HOW WILL BE THIS AFFECTED ALL THIS DATA THAT THEY ARE GIVING ABOUT THE CRIMINALS AND ALL THE CARTELS ARE HERE, MEANING THAT THEY BRING THE DRUGS HERE, THEY CONSUME IT HERE.

LOOK AT THE STREETS, THE ECONOMY, THE, THE HEALTH, THE MENTAL HEALTH PEOPLE IS IN FEAR.

HOW OTHERS SEE US.

IT'S A SHAME HOW THEY SEE THE US NOW, THINK OF YOUR POLITICAL FUTURE.

ALL OF YOU DO THE RIGHT THING.

WE ARE ORGANIZING, THIS IS JUST THE BEGINNING.

THERE'S PEOPLE OUTSIDE.

I CAME HERE.

I'M NOT, I'M, I DO HISTORIC PRESERVATION, BUT NOW I'M GONNA DO THIS IMMIGRATION.

I WAS IN A BOARD THAT I JUST RESIGNED YESTERDAY BECAUSE I WANNA HELP MY PEOPLE.

THIS MEETING IS JUST AN EXAMPLE.

WE KNOW YOU HAVE THE POWER, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN CHANGE THINGS, YOU CAN DO THE RIGHT THINGS.

UH, MEXICAN MIGRANTS ARE THE YOUTH AND, AND, AND THE FUTURE OF, OF THE PEOPLE OF, OF THIS COUNTRY.

I MEAN, JUST ONE SET IS, UH, THE AVERAGE AGE IS 12 YEARS OLD.

YES, THERE'S A LOT OF YOUNG PEOPLE.

AND THAT, THAT PEOPLE IS IMPORTANT.

LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE AND LISTEN TO THE WAR.

WHAT'S HAPPENING.

I MEAN, JUST RIGHT NOW THE PRESIDENT IS FIGHTING WITH ALL THE WAR WITH A LOT OF COUNTRIES.

INSTEAD OF WORKING WITH THEM, HOW DO WE SOLVE THIS SITUATION? AND A LOT OF AMERICANS GO TO LIVE TO MEXICO, BY THE WAY.

AND, UH, WHEN I SEE THE NEWS AND, UH, DAYLIGHT, ALL OF THOSE, A LOT OF THE CRIMINALS ARE OF DIFFERENT COLORS.

DON'T FOLLOW THIS CRAZY BEHAVIOR.

PLEASE, THIS IS NOT RIGHT.

DON'T PASS THIS RESOLUTION AND WORK WITH YOUR COMMUNITY AND

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HEY, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

UH, I'M GONNA GET RIGHT TO THE POINT.

HOW MANY TIMES DO WE HAVE TO LIVE THE TRAGIC STORIES OF INNOCENT AMERICANS SUFFERING AT THE HANDS OF DANGEROUS ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS.

TIME AND AGAIN, WE HEAR ABOUT VIOLENT ACTS COMMITTED BY THOSE WHO SHOULDN'T EVEN BE HERE.

AND YET WE CONTINUE TO TOLERATE POLICIES THAT PROTECT CRIMINALS RATHER THAN LAW ABIDING CITIZENS.

AND OF THIS GREAT NATION, SANCTUARY CITIES POLICIES ARE NOT A BADGE OF COMPASSION THERE, BETRAYAL OF JUSTICE AND AN INSULT TO EVERY INDIVIDUAL THAT HAS TAKEN THE LEGAL PATH TO CITIZENSHIP, SACRIFICING TIME, RESOURCES, AND THE EFFORT TO EARN THEIR PLACE IN THE UNITED STATES.

WE CANNOT BUILD STRONG, THRIVING COMMUNITIES WHEN WE LACK THE ABILITY TO REMOVE VIOLENT CRIMINALS WHO PREY ON OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.

SAFETY IS NOT NEGOTIABLE.

IT'S THE FOUNDATION OF OUR HOMES, OUR SCHOOLS, AND OUR FUTURES.

SANCTUARY CITIES UNDER DERMAN, THAT SAFETY BY SHIELDING CRIMINALS AND CREATE AND CREATING ENVIRONMENTS WHERE LAW ABIDING EXISTENCE FEEL UNPROTECTED AND UNHEARD.

THIS IS NOT POLITICS.

IT'S ABOUT COMMON SENSE.

SANCTUARY CITIES ONLY SERVE TO KEEP CRIMINALS SAFE WHILE PUTTING FAMILIES, WORKERS, AND LAW ENFORCEMENT AT RISK.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

I WOULD JUST LIKE TO FACT CHECK THAT SANCTUARY CITIES ARE ACTUALLY SAFER.

THE CRIMINAL RATE IS ACTUALLY LOWER.

RYAN FAN, LISTEN, IF, IF, IF YOU COME UP AND TAKE THE MIC, I'M GONNA HAVE THE POLICE OFFICER REMOVE YOU.

HONORABLE MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL AND MAYOR WELLS, UH, THANK YOU FOR, FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH YOU DIRECTLY.

MY NAME IS DR. RYAN FANN AND I WORKED AT THE MAJAL ARAB COMMUNITY CENTER RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS.

MANY OF THE REFUGEES AND IMMIGRANTS THAT WE SERVE CAME TO THE US IN PURSUIT OF LIBERTY, SAFETY, AND OPPORTUNITY, JUST LIKE THE REST OF US, MANY OF THEM FREEING WAR AND FAMINE.

OUR COMMUNITIES OFFER IMMENSE CONTRIBUTIONS TO THE CULTURAL VIBRANCY AND THE ECONOMIC INFRASTRUCTURE OF EL CAJON AND TO THE ENTIRE COUNTRY.

AND YET, OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS ARE DEEPLY DISTRAUGHT AND FEARFUL OF BEING DETAINED, DEPORTED, SEPARATED FROM THEIR LOVED ONES SIMPLY FOR WORKING TO FEED THEIR FAMILIES, ATTENDING RELIGIOUS SERVICES OR FOR EXERCISING THEIR LEGAL RIGHT TO PUBLIC EDUCATION, MEDICAL CARE, AND LEGAL AID.

IN A MEETING WITH ATTORNEY GENERAL ROB BONTA LAST FRIDAY, WE HEARD HIM REITERATE THE CALIFORNIA DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE'S COMMITMENT TO UPHOLDING SB 54.

THE AG SAID THAT LOCAL ORDINANCES ARE NOT ENFORCEABLE IF THEY CONTRAVENE STATE LAW.

THIS RESOLUTION FEEDS INTO A VERY PROBLEMATIC ANTI-IMMIGRANT AGENDA AND ATTEMPTS TO VIOLATE THE STATE LAWS THAT THE GOVERNMENT IS SWORN TO UPHOLD AND PROTECT.

I EMPLOY YOU TO VOTE NO ON THIS RESOLUTION AS A COMMUNITY WORKER AND AS A FORMER PUBLIC SCHOOL EDUCATOR, UNIVERSITY PROFESSOR WHO'S SEEN THE IMPACT OF NEGATIVE STUFF LIKE THIS ON MY STUDENTS AND FAMILIES.

FURTHERMORE, I SPEAK TO YOU AS THE DESCENDANT IMMIGRANTS WHO HELP BUILD THIS COUNTRY ON RAILROADS, FARMS, MINES, AND FACTORIES.

ACCORDING TO DATA FROM THE US CUSTOMS AND BORDER PROTECTION MIGRANT ENCOUNTERS, APPREHENSIONS ARE AT THE LOWEST RATE IN YEARS.

AND YET THERE'S A NEW QUOTA ON ARREST AND DEPORTATION.

EVEN THE FORMER CONGRESSMAN AND MAJOR GENERAL OF THE US ARMY OF 36 YEARS, WILLIAM ENARD SAID, ENACTING A DAILY ARREST QUOTA FOR IMMIGRATION AND CUSTOMS IS ESSENTIALLY ASKING FOR AN ABUSE OF THEIR POLICE POWERS.

ANYTIME YOU PUT A QUOTA ON LAW ENFORCEMENT, IT'S A BAD IDEA.

LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS ARE SUPPOSED TO USE THEIR DISCRETION.

PLEASE, LET'S EASE OUR DISCRETION AND VOTE NO ON THIS RESOLUTION.

INSTEAD OF ENSURING PUBLIC SAFETY OF ALL RESIDENTS, IF THREATENS OF VERY SAFE AND SECURE LIBERTY OF PEOPLE, UH, THAT THE COUNCIL IS RESPONSIBLE FOR SERVING AND PROTECTING.

AS OTHER PEOPLE HAVE POINTED OUT, IT WOULD ERODE THE TRUST OF SOME INSTITUTIONS AND LAW ENFORCEMENT, MAKING PEOPLE REALLY HESITANT TO ACTUALLY REPORT REPORT CRIMES.

LAST SENTENCE.

THANKS TO THE COUNCIL FOR THE CONSIDERATION AND I SEED MY TIME.

FOR THE PAID UN-AMERICAN CHANGE AGENTS TO LEAVE THIS LAND.

NEXT IS SALIM HAYEK TRUTH, LIZ RAMIREZ AND DANIEL BICKFORD.

UH, I'M GONNA, MR. HAYEK IS NOT IN THE ROOM, UH, TRUTH.

LIZ RAMIREZ AND DANIEL BICKFORD, PLEASE.

ALL RIGHT.

I'M NOT A SO-CALLED BROWN PERSON.

I'M AN AMERICAN.

AND AS SOMEONE OF CHEROKEE ANCESTRY, I VOTE

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THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THE CITY TRYING TO GET CLARIFICATION ON CONFLICTIONS OF LAW FROM AG BANTA WHO HAS FAILED TO ANSWER THE CITY'S LEGITIMATE QUESTIONS.

WE NEED TO KNOW IF THE STATE WILL PROVIDE PROTECTION TO CITIES, IF THEY'RE GONNA BE PENALIZED FOR FOLLOWING SB 54.

WHEN PEOPLE SAY THEY DON'T WANT VIOLENT, CONVICTED, CRIMINAL, ILLEGAL MIGRANTS DEPORTED, IT ATTACKS PERSONALLY, THE AMERICAN LATINO AND MEXICAN COMMUNITIES WHOSE MULTI-GENERATIONAL FAMILIES IMMIGRATED LEGALLY FOR A LIFE FREE ARE BEING SUBJECTED TO THE FEAR OF VIOLENCE.

THE 2024 NATIONAL DOCKET DATA FOR REMOVABLE NON-CITIZEN CONVICTED CRIMINALS INCLUDES ARSON 792, ASSAULT 62,231, SEXUAL ASSAULT, 15,811, HOMICIDE 13,099, SEX OFFENSE, 9,461 COMMERCIALIZED SEX OFFENSE, 2,200 WEAPON OFFENSES 13,423.

AND ACCORDING TO DHS, THERE ARE 662,566 NON-CITIZENS WITH CRIMINAL HISTORIES.

LAST MEETING, THERE WAS A MAN WHO SAID, I DON'T KNOW WHO'S GONNA WORK THE FARMS. STEVE SEEMED TO AGREE WITH GARY, WHO SAID, WHO'S GONNA PICK OUR CROPS? DOES ANYONE REALLY BELIEVE THAT PICKING CROPS IS ALL MEXICANS OR IMMIGRANTS ARE GOOD FOR? REALLY? I DON'T CARE WHAT ANYONE HERE BELIEVES.

THE RACIST STEREOTYPES NEED TO STOP NOW.

YOU AND PUBLIC SERVICE ROLES SHOULD KNOW BETTER.

SHAME ON YOU.

I HAVE FAMILY FROM MEXICO WHO BECAME LEGAL AMERICANS AND NEVER WORKED ON FARMS. THE PEOPLE BREAKING INTO THIS COUNTRY ILLEGALLY AREN'T EVEN COMING FROM MEXICO ANYMORE.

MOST OF THEM ARE COMING FROM CHINA AND INDIA.

OBVIOUSLY, MISINFORMATION ABOUT WHAT THIS RESOLUTION ISN'T ISN'T SPREAD LIKE A DISEASE.

THEY'RE WELL FUNDED POLITICAL ORGANIZATIONS WHO HAVE FEARMONGER THE LATINO COMMUNITY HERE, AND THEN THEY THREATEN LAWSUITS AGAINST CITIES AS BLACK MALE TO NOT DEPORT CRIMINALS.

MURDERS, RAPISTS CREATES FEAR AND MISTRUST AND HARM UPON THE COMMUNITY, ALONG WITH THE DESTRUCTION OF FAMILIES AND THE COUNTRY.

YOU ON THE COUNCIL REPRESENT ELCON, NOT POLITICAL EXTREMIST ORGANIZATIONS.

TRUE.

GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL MAYOR.

UM, MY NAME IS LUIS RAMIREZ.

I'M THE CEO OF CHICANO FEDERATION.

AN ORGANIZATION THAT HAS BEEN, UH, SERVING OUR COMMUNITY FOR 56 YEARS AND SERVING MORE THAN 50,000 CHILDREN AND FAMILIES IN SAN DIEGO COUNTY.

EACH YEAR.

AMONG THE MANY PROGRAMS WE HAVE, WE WORK WITH OVER A HUNDRED CHILDCARE PROVIDERS IN EL CAJON AND THOUSANDS OF CHILDREN THAT ARE LIVING IN THIS BEAUTIFUL CITY.

AND I'M HERE TO URGE COUNCIL TO THINK ABOUT THOSE CHILDREN AS ELECTED OFFICIALS.

I'M SURE YOU WERE CALLED TO SERVE THE PEOPLE.

AND I WANNA REMIND YOU OF THAT COMMITMENT.

WE, WHEN FEDERAL RHETORIC IS CAUSING A LOT OF HURT AND ANXIETY TO OUR PEOPLE, YOU HAVE THE POWER TO CHANGE THAT.

YOU HAVE THE POWER TO CHANGE THAT.

YOU HAVE THE POWER TO ENSURE OUR CHILDREN DON'T GET SEPARATED FROM THEIR FAMILIES.

YOU HAVE THE POWER TO PROTECT IMMIGRANTS THAT ALREADY GIVE SO MUCH TO OUR COMMUNITY.

I URGE YOU, I URGE YOU THAT AS YOU TAKE THIS VOTE, YOU THINK OF THE PEOPLE YOU SERVE THAT MAKE EL CAJON A THRIVING COMMUNITY.

I URGE YOU TO THINK OF YOUR OWN CHILDREN AND GROWING UP AS PARENTS, HOW WOULD YOU HAVE FELT TO BE SEPARATED FROM YOUR OWN CHILDREN? YES, I USE YOUR POWER FOR GOOD.

YOU HAVE THE POWER.

USE IT FOR GOOD.

A POST AGENDA ITEM NUMBER NINE.

DANIEL BICKFORD, ALLEGEDLY AUDRA, BRENDA HAMMOND AND INES GONZALEZ.

I'LL TRY AND KEEP IT, UH, BRIEF THERE, UH, A LITTLE BIT ANYWAY.

AND I, SO SOMETHING WE CAN ALL, UH, ALL AGREE ON IS NO HATE, NO RACISM.

BUT THIS ISN'T ABOUT HATE OR RACISM.

NONE OF IT IS.

IT'S ABOUT ICE GOING OUT TO MAKE AN IMMIGRATION RAID AND, AND THE, UH, POLICE CAN SUPPORT THEM IN, IN, IN THEIR RAID.

IT'S ABOUT LEGAL OR ILLEGAL.

DO, ARE WE A NATION OF LAWS OR WE NOT? THIS IS ABOUT, THIS IS ABOUT WHETHER WE WE FOLLOW THE STATE GUIDELINES OR THE FEDERAL GUIDELINES.

ACTUALLY, IT'S NOT EVEN THAT.

IT'S WHO ARE WE GOING TO SUPPORT? OKAY? AND WE SHOULD BE SUPPORTING BOTH, BUT THEY'RE IN CONFLICT.

SO WE NEED TO BE SUPPORTING, UH, OUR FEDERAL, UH, AGENTS.

THIS ISN'T TAKING THE EL CAJON POLICE DEPARTMENT AND, AND, AND HAVING THEM GO OUT AND DO ALL THESE RAIDS, THESE IMMIGRATION RAIDS.

IT'S NOT ABOUT THAT.

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OKAY? IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT THE OKLAHOMA POLICE DEPARTMENT, IT'S NOT THE CITY OF OKLAHOMA.

IT'S JUST WHO DO WE TALK TO? WHO ARE, WHO ARE WE SUPPORTING? AND WE SHOULD BE SUPPORTING LEGAL IMMIGRATION.

I THANK MY, UH, I THANK MY LEGAL IMMIGRANT FOREFATHERS OKAY.

FOR, FOR COMING OVER FROM, UH, FROM EUROPE.

AND WHY IS THAT? WHY IS THAT ANY, WHY IS THAT ANY DIFFERENT THAN COMING FROM MEXICO? HUH? WHY, WHY IS IT DIFFERENT? IT SHOULDN'T BE DIFFERENT BECAUSE WE ALL CAME HERE FOR SOME FROM SOMEWHERE.

SO, UH, YOU KNOW, WE ARE, WE ARE A NATION OF LAWS.

PLEASE HELP OUR FEDERAL AND STATE AGENCIES IN UPHOLDING THOSE LAWS.

AUDRA, BRENDA HAMMOND, INES GONZALEZ.

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, IF I COULD ASK YOU AGAIN NOT TO CAT CALL AND, AND INTERJECT WHEN PEOPLE TRY TO SPEAK, THEY'RE, THEY'RE LETTING YOU SPEAK.

LET'S LET THEM SPEAK TOO.

ALLEGEDLY.

A IT'S ACTUALLY REALLY SAD WHAT'S GOING ON BECAUSE YOU KNOW, THERE IS LEGAL IMMIGRATION AND THERE'S ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION.

AND THE PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING HERE ILLEGALLY ARE DOING A DISSERVICE TO THE PEOPLE THAT COME HERE LEGALLY.

AND NOT EVERYBODY THAT'S COMING IS SEEKING ASYLUM.

AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD PAY ATTENTION TO, IS THE MONEY THAT'S BEING MADE OFF THE BACKS OF THESE PEOPLE THROUGH THESE NGOS AND ALL THE TRAFFICKING OF THE CHILDREN THAT TAKES PLACE.

AND IN ORDER TO PROTECT THE PEOPLE, YOU HAVE TO GET RID OF THE CRIMINALS.

AND IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT THAT AFFECTS THE LEGAL IMMIGRANTS.

BUT YOU SHOULD BE UPSET WITH THE PEOPLE THAT ARE CAUSING THE CRIMES, NOT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE TRYING TO PROTECT OTHER PEOPLE.

LOOK AT HIM.

DON'T LOOK AT HIM.

I CAN LOOK AT YOU WHAT'S EXACTLY, BUT WHAT'S THE, SEE? WHY DO WE HAVE TO HATE EACH OTHER? BECAUSE PEOPLE WANNA PROTECT OTHER PEOPLE.

THERE WAS A LITTLE GIRL THAT WAS RAPED, RIGHT? BUT YOU SHOULDN'T BE MAD AT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE TRYING TO PROTECT THE PEOPLE.

THERE ARE CRIMINALS THAT ARE RAPING MAILING.

I MEAN, IF EVERYBODY COMING ACROSS WAS SEEKING ASYLUM, WHY ON EARTH WOULD THEY DROP CELL PHONES AND BREAK THEM? WHY WOULD THEY GET IDS FROM OTHER COUNTRIES THAT AREN'T EVEN LEGIT AND DROP 'EM ALONG THE WAY? WHY ARE THEY TRYING TO DROP ALL THEIR DOCUMENTS? WHY ARE WE FINDING PASSPORTS THAT ARE DROPPED OFF ON THE BORDER THAT ARE FROM TERRORISTS ON THE WATCH LIST? THESE ARE THE TYPE OF PEOPLE WE NEED TO REMOVE.

AND IT'S DOING YOU GUYS A DISSERVICE.

SO YOU SHOULD BE UPSET WITH THEM OVER UPSET WITH PEOPLE THAT ARE TRYING TO PROTECT THE PEOPLE.

AND IT'S LIKE YOU'RE SAYING IT'S RACIST, BUT IT'S LIKE, I MEAN, DID THE LITTLE GIRL DESERVE TO BE RAPED? I, I'M CONFUSED.

IT DOESN'T MATTER.

THEY STILL CAME THROUGH SAN DIEGO.

IT WAS VERY SAD TO SEE HOW DIVISIVE PEOPLE CAN BE WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO PROTECT THE COMMUNITY.

AND YOU SHOULD BE UPSET THAT THESE ENGINEERS AND ALL OF THE PEOPLE ARE BANKING LINING THEIR POCKETS OBJECT.

HOLD ON ONE SEC.

I'M GONNA GIVE YOU 10 MORE SECONDS BECAUSE YOU INTERRUPTED.

YOU WANNA SAY ANYTHING ELSE? THANK YOU.

I MEAN, IT'S JUST SAD BECAUSE IT'S LIKE NOBODY CAN COME AND JUST TRY AND PROTECT SOMEONE.

YOU GUYS WANNA PROTECT YOURSELVES, BUT YOU DON'T WANNA PROTECT ANYBODY ELSE.

AND THAT'S A PROBLEM BECAUSE IT SHOULDN'T HAVE TO BE YOUR FAMILY WHO'S MURDERED, RAPED OR WHATEVER.

BUT YOU OBVIOUSLY DON'T CARE ABOUT THAT.

AND ALL YOU CARE ABOUT IS YOURSELF, BUT YOU SHOULD BE DIRECTING YOUR THOUGHTS AT THEM.

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, PLEASE DON'T INTERRUPT THE SPEAKERS.

I I WON'T LET THEM INTERRUPT YOU EITHER.

WELL THEN DON'T LET THE SPEAKERS LOOK AT US BECAUSE THEY SHOULD BE LOOKING AT YOU.

I'M SORRY, IT'S AMERICA.

YOU CAN LOOK, YOU CAN LOOK WHERE YOU WANNA LOOK, BUT MA'AM, YOU CAN'T HAVE OUTBURST ANYMORE.

I'M GONNA HAVE TO ASK YOU YOU TO LEAVE.

SO PLEASE DON'T GO AHEAD.

FIRST OF ALL, I'M GONNA SAY I'M BOHEMIAN.

WE GOTTA HAVE, I KNOW THIS IS A SERIOUS SUBJECT, BUT I, I WANNA REPEAT WHAT I SAID AT THE LAST MEETING.

MOST OF MY FRIENDS ARE MEXICANS AND CHALDEANS LATER.

THE CHALDEAN COMMUNITY HELPED ME A LOT.

UM,

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WHAT THE PEOPLE THAT I TALKED TO IN THE LAST TWO WEEKS, AND IF ANYBODY'S GONNA KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON IN THIS COUNTY, IT'S ME.

I'VE BEEN HOMELESS FOR 15 YEARS, YOU THINK I DON'T TALK TO PEOPLE AND PEOPLE DON'T TALK TO ME AND TRUST ME WITH THEIR FEELINGS.

UM, WHAT I'M SEEING IS I'M SEEING OUR OWN GOVERNMENT USE THESE PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING OVER HERE TO MAKE A LIVING AND DO WHAT THEY WANNA DO FOR THEIR OWN LITTLE PUPPET STUFF.

AND I'M SEEING THEM DO THINGS AND THEN BLAME IT ON, ON WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, WHOEVER THEY WANNA BLAME IT ON WHATEVER COME OR COUNTRY THEY COME FROM.

OKAY, I'M HOMELESS, I'M NOT PERFECT, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT? I'M PROBABLY SMARTER THAN ANY OF YOU SITTING UP THERE BECAUSE I HAVE BEEN OUT THERE AND I KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.

SO I SAY RICE AND BEANS.

THAT'S WHAT'S KEEPING ME ALIVE FROM CORTIA GONZALEZ, MARK BROOKE AND BRIAN KUGEL ENO.

MY NAME IS INEZ GONZALEZ PER CHICA.

I'M THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF MAN SAN DIEGO.

WE'RE A NATIONAL ORGANIZATION.

WE HAVE THE LARGEST CHAPTER HERE IN SAN DIEGO.

WE PARTNER WITH THE HEAD ACADEMIES.

WE SERVE MIDDLE SCHOOL TO HIGH SCHOOL FROM ALL AROUND THE COUNTY, INCLUDING YOUR BEAUTIFUL CITY MAYOR BILL WELLS IS GRANDSTANDING ON THE BACKS OF IMMIGRANT FAMILIES.

WITH THIS RESOLUTION, HE HAS CREATED FEAR IN THIS COMMUNITY.

MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES WERE ALREADY A CONCERN, AND NOW WE SEE IT AT A CRISIS, ESPECIALLY IN MIXED STATUS HOUSEHOLDS.

THIS RESOLUTION IS NOT NECESSARY.

WE ASK THAT YOU APPROVE RECOMMENDATION NUMBER ONE FROM THE CITY MANAGER THAT IS WAIT TO TAKE ACTION UNTIL THE FEDERAL AND STATE GOVERNMENTS RESOLVE INCONSISTENCIES IN THEIR RESPECTIVE IMMIGRATION LAWS AND POLICIES.

THE FEDERAL AND STATE NEED TO RESOLVE THESE INCONSISTENCIES.

THE TENSION BETWEEN FEDERAL AND STATE AUTHORITY IS OFTEN WHERE PROGRESS BEGINS.

STATES HAVE FREQUENTLY BEEN AT THE FOREFRONT OF SOCIAL CHANGE, SHAPING THE ARC OF JUSTICE IN THE LONG RUN.

NOW, AS FAR AS I KNOW, THE CITY OF EL CAJON IS THE ONLY CITY IN THE COUNTY EAGER TO ALIGN ITSELF WITH A NEW ADMINISTRATION'S ANNOUNCEMENT OF MASSIVE DEPORTATIONS.

THIS RESOLUTION, SHOULD IT MOVE FORWARD, REFLECTS A FAILURE OF JUSTICE AND COMPASSION TOWARD THE VERY PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THIS COMMUNITY.

IT IS A CHOICE THAT ISOLATES EL CAJON FROM CALIFORNIA'S LEGACY OF STANDING ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF HISTORY.

WE LIVE IN CALIFORNIA, NOT IN ALABAMA.

AND THEY'RE US CITIZENS, UM, IF WE FIND THERE'S FIVE FOLKS WHO ARE NOT HERE LEGALLY, AND WE DON'T DEPORT THEM NOW WE GOT 10, UH, WE GOT 10 CRIMINALS, UH, WHO COULD PROVIDE COMMIT VIOLENT CRIME.

UM, MR. MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS, UH, MY NAME IS DR.

MARK BROKER.

I'M A 30 YEAR NAVY VETERAN.

AND, UH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE AND, UH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE AND ALL THE OTHER VETERANS.

AND ACTUALLY, AT THE END OF THE DAY, THIS IS WHAT WE SERVE FOR, TO HAVE A OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT A CONTENTIOUS ISSUE.

YOU CAN'T DO THIS IN VENEZUELA, YOU CAN'T DO THIS IN NORTH KOREA.

UH, WE'RE A GREAT COUNTRY BECAUSE WE CAN DO THIS IN, UH, IT'S, IT'S FIRST TIME I'VE BEEN TO AN EVENT LIKE THIS, SO I'M PRETTY FIRED UP.

UM, I'M A SMALL BUSINESS OWNER, LIVE IN EAST, UH, COUNTY.

I'M A CHRISTIAN.

UM, A LOT OF EMOTION IN THE ROOM.

UM, UH, A LOT OF POLITICS IN THE ROOM.

THERE'S A LOT OF ES AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

UH, IT GETS KIND OF CONFUSING, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT'S ABOUT PUBLIC SAFETY.

AND I DON'T HAVE A PHD IN GOVERNANCE, BUT I THINK YOUR PRIMARY JOB IS TO INCREASE THE LIKELIHOOD OF PUBLIC SAFETY.

THERE'S NO FREE LUNCH.

WE COULD, ANYONE COULD WALK OUTTA HERE AND GET MUGGED.

UH, BUT YOUR JOB IS TO DECREASE THAT LIKELIHOOD AND GET IT AS LOW TO ZERO AS YOU POSSIBLY CAN.

UM, AND THIS POLICY IS SIMPLY, UH, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S SIMPLE AND IT'S, IT'S STATISTICS AND PROBABILITY.

UM, IF YOU READ THE, JUST READ THE RESOLUTION, IT SAYS A SEARCH THE CITY INTENT TO COMPLY WITH FEDERAL IMMIGRATION LAWS TO REMOVE VIOLENT CRIMINALS FROM OUR COMMUNITY.

THE ALTERNATIVE IS NOT TO REMOVE THEM FROM OUR COMMUNITY.

AND THE ONE GENTLEMAN SAID, WE HAVE 650,000 FOLKS WHO ARE HERE, NOT LEGALLY, AND THEY'RE APPARENTLY CRIMINALS.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT NUMBER IS, BUT IF WE HAVE FIVE CRIMINALS IN THIS CITY

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WE JUST DOUBLED THE LIKELIHOOD OF A CRIME.

SO JUST TAKING ALL THE EMOTION OUT OF IT.

AGAIN, YOUR JOB IS TO DECREASE THE LIKELIHOOD OF A VIOLENT CRIME OCCURRING IN EL CAJON.

AND THIS RESOLUTION WILL, WILL, WILL MAKE THAT HAPPEN.

YOU SIR.

APPRECIATE IT.

UH, BRIAN KUGEL, UH, LARRY OLDS AND JOSELYN HERNANDEZ.

I'M, UH, BRIAN QUAL WITH THE SAN DIEGO ORGANIZING PROJECT.

I SPEAK TO YOU TODAY, UH, ENCOURAGED AND EMBOLDENED BY THE EXAMPLE OF THE HEROIC BISHOP BUDDY WHO LAST WEEK HAD THE COURAGE AND MORAL FORTITUDE TO TELL, TO SPEAK TRUTH TO POWER AS MAGA CLEARLY DOES, THEY COWARD WHEN CONFRONTED WITH TRUTH OR IGNORED TRUTH.

I CERTAINLY HOPE FOR MORE FROM THIS COUNCIL TONIGHT.

I STRONGLY URGE YOU TO RESPECT HUMAN RIGHTS AND FAMILY VALUES, SEPARATING FAMILIES AND DEPORTATIONS ARE NOT PATRIOTIC AND DO NOT REFLECT THE MORAL VALUES OF MOST CITIZENS.

COOPERATION WITH ICE AND OTHER IMMIGRATION OFFICIALS TO TEAR APART FAMILIES IS JUST PLAIN, IM MORAL AND WRONG.

CITY RESOURCES MUST BE ALLOCATED TO IMPROVING THE LIVES OF THOSE WHO LIVE HERE IN THE CITY, NOT TOWARDS TEARING FAMILIES APART OR SUPPORTING THE HATE FIELD AGENDA OF A DELUSIONAL, UNSTABLE, CONVICTED FELON, HIS FELLOW BILLIONAIRES ON PROJECT 2025 HYPOCRITICAL.

I HEAR SO MUCH CONCERN ABOUT LAW AND ORDER HERE TODAY.

HYPOCRITICAL CONCERNS ABOUT LAW AND ORDER WHEN, WHEN THEY ELECTED A PRESIDENT WHO WAS A CONVICTED FE AND HE RELEASED TOWARDS, WHO RELEASED TOWARDS A VIOLENT INSURRECTIONIST FROM PRISON AND EVEN THE ORGANIZER OF THE SILK ROAD, UH, FENTANYL TRADE.

THESE ACTIONS PULL BACK THE CURTAIN TO EXPOSE THAT THEIR TRUE MOTIVES ARE NOT LAW AND ORDER, BUT BLATANT RACISM.

SO I IT'S WELL DOCUMENTED.

IT'S WELL DOCUMENTED THAT IMMIGRANTS COMMIT CRIMES AT A MUCH LOWER RATE THAN THE GENERAL POPULATION.

I'M SORRY, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THEY PAY TAXES AND THAT THEY'RE A VITAL BENEFIT TO THE LOCAL COMMUNITY.

I URGE YOU TO VOTE NO ON THIS.

I URGE YOU TO BUILD TRUST IN GOVERNMENT, NOT FEAR OF GOVERNMENT.

THANK YOU, LARRY.

OLD, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO HAVE AN ORDERLY MEETING.

IF YOU DON'T STOP AND YOUR TIME IS UP, YOU'RE JUST GOING TO MAKE THIS MEETING DESCEND AN ANARCHY.

I REALLY DON'T WANT THAT.

I KNOW PEOPLE ARE UPSET.

I WANT PEOPLE TO, EVERYBODY HAVE A CHANCE TO SPEAK.

YOU WANT ME TO DEFEND YOU WHEN YOU'RE SPEAKING? I WANNA DEFEND OTHER PEOPLE WHEN THEY'RE SPEAKING, BUT WHEN, WHEN YOUR TIME IS UP, YOU GOTTA STOP.

YES SIR.

FROM SOUTH AMERICA, I TALKED TO PEOPLE FROM THE MIDDLE EAST.

PROBABLY THE MOST OVERUSED IDIOM THAT WE HEAR IS A COUNTRY OF LAWS BECAUSE LAWS DON'T SEEM, DOESN'T REALLY SEEM TO BE WHAT'S HIGH, AT LEAST ON THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION WHEN THEY WERE IN POWER LAWS ARE THE THING THAT KEEPS SOCIETIES FROM BEING CHAOTIC, FROM ANARCHY.

WITHOUT LAWS, WE'D BE FIGHTING EACH OTHER OVER EVERYTHING.

SO I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE HONOR THE LAWS THAT WE HAVE, BUT WE HAVE TO HONOR GOOD LAWS.

AND WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS SB 54 GOES AGAINST TITLE EIGHT, SECTION 1324 OF FEDERAL CODE.

AND THAT CANNOT STAND, IN MY VIEW.

I THINK WHAT YOU FOLKS ARE TRYING TO DO IS RIGHT.

YOU'RE TRYING TO MAKE THE COMMUNITY SAFE.

I ALSO THINK I SPENT QUITE A BIT OF TIME ON, ON THE BORDER, AND UNFORTUNATELY THIS HAS TURNED INTO A DISCUSSION OF RACE.

BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS, WHEN I WAS ON THE BORDER TALKING TO PEOPLE, I TALKED TO PEOPLE FROM RUSSIA, FROM CHINA, FROM AFRICA,

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I TALK TO PEOPLE FROM ALL OVER THIS WORLD, THEN THEY'VE COME HERE FOR VARIOUS REASONS.

SOME ARE HONORABLE, SOME AREN'T.

WHEN YOU GO DOWN TO THE BORDER, YOU SEE ALL THESE DISCARDED IDENTIFICATION DOCUMENTS BECAUSE PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO BE VETTED.

THEY DON'T WANT YOU TO KNOW WHO THEY ARE.

SO I THINK THE REAL THING THAT WE NEED TO REALLY FOCUS ON IS THE SAFETY.

AND I THINK WHAT YOU ARE DOING WILL MAKE OUR COMMUNITY SAFER.

AND I THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT.

JOCELYN HERNANDEZ AND EMELDA BARRANCO.

UM, ALCOHOL COUNSEL.

I'M JOCELYN HERNANDEZ AND I'M AN INDIAN.

I'M AN AMERICAN INDIAN FROM MEXICO.

WE, WE HAVE BEEN HERE FOR MANY YEARS.

YOU, YOU'LL ARRIVE.

DO YOU KNOW WHAT YOUR ANCESTORS, DO YOU KNOW WHAT ANCESTORS YOU HAVE? AND HOW MANY YEARS WERE THEY HERE? WELL, RIGHT NOW I VOTE NO FOR THIS LOVE BECAUSE US MEXICANS THAT A LOT OF WHITE PEOPLE SAY, OR COLOR BROWN PEOPLE, WHICH THEY SAY A LOT OF TIMES I THINK THAT ALL THE POLICEMEN SHOULD JUST DO THEIR JOB.

LIKE, JUST LIKE GO WITH THE EMERGENCIES AND EVERYTHING.

BUT THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE WITH US.

WHY THE HELL DO YOU GUYS WANT THAT? US, MEXICANS, WE ARE WORKERS.

WE'RE NOT CRIMINALS.

WE STAND HERE TO SAY NO TO THAT LAW.

WE HAVE A LOT OF SIGNS RIGHT NOW THAT JUST SAY THAT WE'RE NOT CRIMINALS.

WHY ARE, WHY IS EVERYBODY ELSE TELLING THAT? OH, WE'RE VAPERS.

OH, WE'RE DOING THIS, WE'RE DOING THAT.

WE'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING.

LITERALLY, THE FOOD THAT YOU GUYS EAT ARE ALL THE MEXICANS THAT ARE IN THE CROPS AND THEY'RE GIVING YOU FOOD.

AND I JUST DON'T KNOW.

AND JUST TELL THE POLICE OFFICERS TO JUST DO THEIR JOB, BUT NOT HELP US AT ALL.

DON'T KNOW FOR THIS LAW.

EMELDA, EMELDA BARRANCO AND BRANDON JACKSON.

LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT, UH, WAS A MAJOR PLAYER IN, UH, IN TAKING THESE TRAFFICKERS DOWN.

THANK YOU FOR HER THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.

MY NAME IS EMELDA BARRANCO, AND I HAVE LIVED MY ENTIRE LIFE IN EL CAJON.

ALTHOUGH I CURRENTLY RESIDE IN NORTH COUNTY.

IT IS REALLY HEARTBREAKING THAT THIS WHAT IS CURRENTLY HAPPENING.

MR. BILL WELLS, YOU ARE BEING PRESSURED BY AN ADMINISTRATION THAT IS UNJUST, INHUMANE, AND ABOVE ALL, COME UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

STAND UP FOR WHAT'S RIGHT, EVEN IF IT'S WORTH YOUR PAYCHECK, EVEN IF IT'S WORTH FUNDING.

IT'S JUST INHUMANE, IT'S UNJUST.

ON BEHALF OF THE COMMUNITY, I ASK YOU NOT TO LET LAW ENFORCEMENT SEPARATE HARDWORKING FAMILIES THAT PURSUE THE AMERICAN DREAM ON ON ONCE, ONCE WAS KNOWN AS THE LAND OF OPPORTUNITY.

AND I KNOW THIS PROBABLY MEANS THIS TO YOU BECAUSE OF YOUR PAYCHECK, BECAUSE OF PUBLIC FUNDING, BUT I HOPE YOU OPEN YOUR HEART AND NO, BUT I GUARANTEE YOU THAT THIS WILL ONLY CREATE CHAOS AND NOT ORDER.

YOU ARE JUST PUTTING FEAR IN A COMMUNITY THAT CONTRIBUTES TO A THRIVING THIS COUNTRY.

THANK YOU, BRANDON JACKSON AND CORBIN SABUL.

HELLO, UH, HELLO, CITY COUNCIL MAYOR.

UH, MY NAME IS BRANDON JACKSON.

UH, I'M THE VICE CHAIR OF THE SAN DIEGO LIBERTARIAN PARTY, UH, LOCAL RESIDENT AND ALSO A VICTIM OF, UH, CARTEL OPERATIONS WHILE I WAS LIVING IN ARIZONA.

UM, I WANT EXPRESS MY DISDAIN FOR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IN GENERAL, REGARDLESS OF, UH, WHO'S IN POWER.

HOWEVER, OUR COUNTRY AS A WHOLE HAS A FENTANYL AND HUMAN TRAFFICKING PROBLEM.

UH, IN ARIZONA.

I AIDED IN TAKING DOWN A CARTEL OPERATION, UH, THAT LED TO THE REST OF OVER 300 OPERATORS, UH, THAT

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UH, THESE OPERATIONS BASED IN MEXICO HAVE NOW MOVED TO SAN DIEGO AND IMPERIAL COUNTIES.

UH, DUE TO CALIFORNIA'S LAWS, UH, THESE TWO COUNTIES ARE THE FOCAL POINT OF TRAFFICKING FOR THE ENTIRE COUNTRY.

UM, HOWEVER, IMMIGRANTS REGARDLESS OF STATUS ARE ALREADY HERE.

UM, THEY SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO WORK AND LIVE IN PEACE.

THEIR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS, UH, SHOULD BE PROTECTED JUST LIKE THE REST OF US.

UH, LAW ABIDING MIGRANTS, UH, SHOULD BE ABLE TO ENJOY OPPORTUNITIES, UM, THAT THIS GREAT COUNTRY HAS, UH, BE WARY OF ANY FEDERAL AGENCY, UH, AND WATCH 'EM CLOSELY.

BUT PLEASE KEEP OUR, UH, COMMUNITY SAFE, UH, BY GOING AFTER THESE HUMAN, UH, AND DRUG TRAFFICKERS, UH, PROTECT THE CHILDREN AT ALL COSTS.

UM, I DON'T ENVY YOUR DECISION, UM, BUT I DO FEEL LIKE YOU'RE ON THE CORRECT PATH.

UM, LIKE I SAID, JUST LOTS OF FEDERAL ENTITIES AND FOCUS MORE ON LOCAL COMMUNITY AND YOUR LAW ENFORCEMENT TO KIND OF AID THE COMMUNITY, IF YOU WILL.

THANK YOU, CORBIN, SAL, SYLVIA, MIRANDA AND TOM RAO.

HELLO, COUNSEL CORBIN STABLE.

UM, I'D LIKE TO DO A LITTLE THOUGHT EXERCISE, IF YOU DON'T MIND IF I JUST HAVE A COUPLE MINUTES, UM, THAT'S GOING ON.

UM, SO ICE WANTS TO COME IN AND DEPORT RAPISTS AND MURDERERS.

IS THAT TRUE? YES.

YES, THAT'S TRUE.

SO IT'S TRUE THAT ICE WANTS TO DEPORT RAPISTS AND MURDERERS.

YOU THEN, AS A COUNSEL, HAVE A DECISION TO MAKE.

YOU CAN EITHER COOPERATE WITH THAT AND HELP THEM SAY, OKAY, WE'LL HELP YOU DEPORT RAPISTS AND MURDERERS AND CRIMINALS IN THIEVES, OR WE'LL PREVENT YOU FROM DOING THAT.

THOSE ARE YOUR TWO DECISIONS THAT YOU CAN MAKE AS A COUNSEL.

SO THE CONCLUSION THAT I'M COMING TO IS THAT IF YOU DON'T PASS THIS RESOLUTION, THAT'S TELLING ME THAT YOU DON'T WANT TO DEPORT RAPISTS AND MURDERERS AND THIEVES.

IF YOU ARE NOT SUPPORTING OF THIS RESOLUTION, THAT MEANS YOU ARE TELLING ME THAT YOU ARE IN FAVOR OF RAPISTS AND MURDERERS AND THIEVES STAYING IN THIS COMMUNITY AND ENDANGERING EVERYBODY ELSE.

THAT'S THE CONCLUSION.

THAT'S THE ONLY POSSIBLE CONCLUSION THAT YOU CAN COME TO LESS THAN ONE MINUTE.

OKAY? SO IF YOU HAVE BROWN SKIN OR BLACK SKIN, AND YOU ARE HERE LEGALLY IN WHATEVER CAPACITY, SHOULD YOU BE DEPORTED? ABSOLUTELY NOT.

ABSOLUTELY NOT.

HOW ABOUT IF YOUR SKIN IS WHITE AND YOU ARE HERE ILLEGALLY AND YOU ARE A RAPIST IN A MURDER? SHOULD YOU BE DEPORTED? WOW, THAT SOUNDS LIKE AN ATTACK ON WHITE PEOPLE.

THANK YOU, SYLVIA MIRANDA AND TOM BARLO.

OH MAN, THANK YOU.

IT'S JUST HEART WRENCHING TO SEE THAT WE LIVE IN SUCH A DIVIDED LEADER COMMUNITY.

UM, GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

MY NAME IS CELIA MIRANDA AND I HAVE BEEN A RESIDENT FOR 25 YEARS.

I'M ALSO A PROUD IMMIGRANT, AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL EDUCATOR THAT HAS DEDICATED MY ENTIRE CAREER TO EDUCATE CHILDREN, TO INSTILL IN THEM THE LOVE OF LEARNING, OF RESPECTING AND HONORING THE DIVERSE CULTURES WILL BE GOOD GLOBAL CITIZENS.

UH, IN IN OUR FUTURE AND FUTURE LEADERS.

I HAVE BEEN APPALLED TO HEAR OUR MANY OF THE CITY ON THE NEWS FROM FLAME OF DIVISION AND ANTI IMMIGRATION NARRATIVES.

THAT IS THE JOB OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

THE THE JOB OF EL CAJON NEEDS TO BE TO PROTECT THE CITIZENS OF EL CAJON.

LAB ENFORCEMENT LEADERS AND PUBLIC CHIEFS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY HAVE RECOGNIZED THAT COMMUNITY TRUST IS KEY TO COMMUNITY POLICING.

SO THAT SHOULD BE OUR FOCUS.

WE DON'T WANT, I, I WANT MY TAX DOLLARS TO GO TO ENSURE THAT POLICE OFFICERS PROTECT EVERYONE'S SAFETY AND THAT THEY BUILD TRUST WITH THE IMMIGRANT COMMUNITY INSTEAD OF INSTILLING FEAR IN OUR COMMUNITY AND USING UNLIMITED RESOURCES FOR SOMETHING ELSE.

THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS PLENTY MONEY TO DEAL WITH THE IMMIGRATION LAW THAT THIS SOLUTION IS USING A FALSE PROMISE OF SENDING THE WHOLE WORLD THE WRONG MESSAGE.

THAT US IMMIGRANTS ARE HERE FOR SOMETHING ELSE JUST BECAUSE OF THE COLOR OF THE SKIN.

I, I URGE YOU AS A ELECTED MEMBER OF MY COMMUNITY, OUR JOB IS TO REPRESENT TO AS WELL.

AND APPROVING THIS RESOLUTION IS SENDING THE ONE MESSAGE.

I'M HERE TO URGE YOU TO VOTE NO ON THIS RESOLUTION.

THANK YOU, MAYOR.

UH, THIS

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IS SPEAKER 44.

WE HAVE 44 MORE SPEAKERS.

UH, THE NEXT SPEAKERS ARE TOM, UH, BARLO AND JOSEPH AND CHRIS LAYTON.

HELLO, SIR.

GOOD EVENING, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.

TOM, COMMANDER OF THE UNITED STATES NAVY RETIRED.

THIS IN MY WALLET IS A, UH, RETIRED MILITARY ID CARD.

I CARRY IT WITH ME WHEREVER I GO.

ACTIVE DUTY, MILITARY AND RETIREES ALL CARRY IDENTIFICATION.

I HA I HAVE TO HAVE IT TO GET ON BASE.

I HAVE TO HAVE IT TO USE MY PRIVILEGES AT THE COMMISSARY IN THE EXCHANGE.

AND I'M NEVER OFFENDED WHEN SOMEONE ASKS ME TO TAKE IT OUT.

SO THAT, THAT VETERAN THAT TALKED EARLIER TONIGHT, UH, AS I WONDER IF THEY'RE CARRYING THEIR, UH, MILITARY ID CARD IF THEY FEEL OFFENDED WHEN THEY'RE ASKED TO PULL IT OUT, UM, I'M AN OCCASIONAL VOLUNTEER WITH A CITIZENS GROUP HERE IN EAST COUNTY CALLED RAD MOVEMENT.

THERE'S BEEN 70 PEOPLE HERE IN EAST COUNTY THAT HAVE GONE MISSING, THAT HAVE BEEN FOUND BY CITIZENS, NOT BY GOVERNMENT, NOT BY POLICE.

IN THE LAST THREE YEARS, YOU PROBABLY HAVEN'T HEARD ABOUT IT 'CAUSE THE GOVERNMENT AND THE MEDIA AREN'T TALKING ABOUT IT.

SO THERE'S MANY WONDERFUL PEOPLE HERE THAT THINK THAT THERE AREN'T WICKED THINGS GOING ON HERE IN EL CAJON, BUT I'M TELLING YOU, THERE ARE WICKED THINGS HAPPENING AROUND US TO ALL OF US, NO MATTER WHAT OUR SKIN COLOR IS.

AND NO MATTER WHAT OUR INCOME, WICKED THINGS ARE HAPPENING, AND THEN AROUND EAST COUNTY AND EL CAJON.

AND IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO UNDERSTAND WE'RE BEING DIVIDED AGAINST EACH OTHER.

AND THE MANY WONDERFUL PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE WHO HAVE A DIFFERENT OPINION THAN ME, WHO HAVEN'T FOLLOWED THE RULES AND REGULATIONS, YOU ARE THE COVER STORY FOR THE WICKED PEOPLE TO DO THINGS TO ALL OF OUR CHILDREN, TO ALL OF US.

THE WICKED ARE HIDING.

THEY'RE USING THE LOOPHOLES IN OUR LAWS TO PREY UPON OUR CHILDREN AND ON US AND OUR FAMILIES AND COMMUNITY MEMBERS.

YOU ARE WONDERFUL PEOPLE.

THE FELLOW HERE IS SAYING THE PROBLEM'S NOT IN THE ROOM.

IT'S NOT IN THE ROOM.

BUT THEY'RE USING THESE LOOPHOLES TO PRAY UPON US.

AND THE NICE PEOPLE WHO AREN'T FOLLOWING THE RULES, YOU'RE MAKING IT POSSIBLE.

I'M SORRY TO SAY THAT, BUT YOU'RE MAKING IT POSSIBLE FOR YOUR FAMILY AND OUR FAMILIES TO BE PREYED UPON.

UM, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT IT SEEMS LIKE PEOPLE TRUST ELK, ALCOHOL, POLICE.

SO INSTEAD OF A YES NO, MAYBE WE DECIDE TO TELL CALIFORNIA AND THE UNITED STATES THAT WE'RE GONNA USE OUR OWN DISCRETION WHEN WE FOLLOW FEDERAL LAW AND WHEN WE FOLLOW STATE LAW.

THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

UM, IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE TRYING TO COMPARE APPLES WITH ORANGES.

TO ME, BEING SCARED IS ONE THING.

BEING DEAD IS ANOTHER.

WE WANT IMMIGRANTS IN OUR COUNTRY FOR REASONS MANY HAVE ALREADY OUTLINED.

WE DON'T WANT PEOPLE WHO COME IN TO PREY ON OUR NEIGHBORHOODS, OUR NEIGHBORS AND OURSELVES.

I LIVE IN A LARGELY HISPANIC AND VIETNAMESE COMMUNITY AND HAVE FOR OVER 20 YEARS.

THIS IS NOT A RACE ISSUE.

IT'S NOT REALLY ABOUT IMMIGRATION.

AROUND THE TIME THAT THE WELCOME CENTER WAS ESTABLISHED, JUST A FEW BLOCKS FROM MY HOUSE, BRINGING HAITIANS, CHINESE AND OTHER UNKNOWN ETHNIC GROUPS FROM WHO KNOWS WHERE.

I SAW THREE BUSES PER DAY.

AND EVEN IN THE NIGHT TOUR BUSES THAT WOULD HOLD 60 PEOPLE COMING AND GOING, COMING AND GOING, COMING AND GOING.

MY COUNCIL PEOPLE KNEW NOTHING OR DIDN'T LET ON.

THERE WERE TWO MURDERS AT THAT TIME IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, ONLY BLOCKS AWAY FROM MY HOUSE.

ONE WAS A VIETNAMESE LADY WHO LOVED TO EXERCISE IN THE PARK, WAS STABBED TO DEATH BY SOMEONE WHO WAS NOT HERE LEGALLY.

ANOTHER ONE WAS A MAN JUST A HALF A BLOCK AWAY WHO WAS SHOT TO DEATH.

AND THAT'S THE KIND OF, UM, RESULT THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE REMOVED FROM MY NEIGHBORHOOD IN ALL OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.

I DON'T WANT ANYONE TO FEEL UNSAFE, BUT IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE BE SAFE.

AS MY PASSPORT COULD DEMONSTRATE AT ANY EMBASSY.

CHRIS LAYTON AND THOMAS JEFFREY.

THANK YOU COUNSEL FOR HEARING US ALL.

I GREW UP IN EL CAJON.

I GRADUATED FROM HIGH SCHOOL IN EL CAJON.

I ALSO SPENT TWO YEARS OVERSEAS ON BOTH STUDENT AND WORK VISAS, WHICH REQUIRED RENEWAL.

AT SIX MONTHS, I HAD NO RIGHT TO STAY THERE, EVEN THOUGH I LIKED IT.

I HAD MADE FRIENDS, I WAS OBEYING THE LAWS OF THEIR LAND, BUT IT WAS NOT AUTOMATIC

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I WAS AN AMERICAN CITIZEN UNDER THE JURISDICTION OF THE USA WHILE IN AND ANOTHER COUNTRY.

I WAS A LEGAL GUEST AND WHILE OBLIGATED TO FOLLOW THE RULES OF THEIR LAND, I HELD NO RIGHTS OF A CITIZEN OF THEIR COUNTRY.

I WAS REQUIRED TO LEAVE WHEN MY TIME WAS UP, AND I DID.

SO I DO, I WANT EVERYONE TO KNOW I DO SUPPORT LEGAL IMMIGRATION OF FULLY VETTED NON-CRIMINALS.

THAT'S WITH CRIME, INCLUDING BREAKING AND ENTERING INTO THE USA.

I DO NOT SUPPORT FEDERAL, STATE, OR LOCAL GOVERNMENTS PROVIDING IMMUNITY OR SANCTUARY FOR PEOPLE WHO ALREADY BROKE THE LAW.

GETTING HERE.

I DO SUPPORT FEDERAL, STATE, OR LOCAL GOVERNMENTS MAKING I DO NOT SUPPORT FEDERAL, STATE, OR LOCAL GOVERNMENTS MAKING EXCUSES FOR ANY CRIME.

WHETHER PEOPLE HERE ARE LEGALLY OR NOT ANY VANDALISM, THEFT, ASSAULT, CHILD SEX TRAFFICKING, DRUGS, ILLEGAL DRUGS, WEAPONS ARE NOT ACCEPTABLE IN ANY CIVILIZED SOCIETY.

I DO NOT SUPPORT TAX MONEY GOING TO NGOS TO AID AND ABBET THE UNVETTED ENTRY MOVEMENT THROUGH BUSING AND FLIGHTS, HOUSING AND CARE OF ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS WITHIN THE UUSA.

I DO SUPPORT PUBLIC ACCOUNTABILITY REGARDING WHERE THE MONEY GOES, WHERE THE PEOPLE GO, AND ESPECIALLY WHERE THOUSANDS OF MISSING UNACCOMPANIED MINORS ARE.

UM, WE ALL HAVE IMMIGRANT ROUTES SOMEWHERE.

I ALSO WORKED IN FARM FIELDS FOR SEVERAL SUMMERS AND I JUST THINK THAT THAT, I'M SORRY, INTERRUPT YOU, IS SKEWED BY THE ME MEDIA AND WE NEED TO WORK TOGETHER FOR SAFETY.

I WAS LOOKING AT THIS RECOMMENDATION THAT THE CITY COUNCIL CONSIDERS ONE OR TWO OPTIONS.

THOMAS.

JEFFREY BERNARDO GARCIA, AND PATRICIA PATRICIA.

THE NEXT THREE, AND WE WILL CALL THIS PEOPLE AGAIN.

UH, BARRY WILLIS, SUSAN ROBERTS, AND MAUREEN CRUZ.

BARRY, VERY LEFT.

BUENO.

PATRICIA.

PATRICIA MON DRAGON REGIONAL POLICY MANAGER FOR ALLIANCE SAN DIEGO ALLIANCE.

SAN DIEGO CONVENES THE SAN DIEGO IMMIGRANT RIGHTS CONSORTIUM, A COALITION OF 50 ORGANIZATIONS THAT ADVOCATES FOR THE RIGHTS OF IMMIGRANTS AND REFUGEES IN THE ENTIRE SAN DIEGO COUNTY.

LET ME BEGIN BY SAYING THAT NO HUMAN IS ILLEGAL.

ALL HUMANS ARE BORN WITH HUMAN RIGHTS, INCLUDING THE RIGHT TO BELONG AND TO FEEL SAFE.

WHETHER THAT IMMIGRANT IS A BILLIONAIRE FROM SOUTH AFRICA OR THE POOREST IMMIGRANT FROM SOUTH AMERICA, AFRICA, OR ASIA, FLEEING VIOLENCE, CLIMATE DISASTERS, OR EXTREME ECONOMIC HARDSHIP HARDSHIPS, TRUMP'S PUSH FOR MASS DEPORTATION IS NOT ABOUT VIOLENT OFFENDERS.

THIS ADMINISTRATION SEES ANYONE WHO HAS COME IN ILLEGALLY OR LEGALLY WITH TEMPORARY STATUS AS UNDESERVING OF HUMAN AND CIVIL RIGHTS.

HOWEVER, BOTH THE US AND CALIFORNIA CONSTITUTIONS GRANT A CIVIL RIGHTS THAT ARE NOT DISMISSED BY THE STROKE OF A PEN.

LET ME BE CLEAR, THERE IS NO LEGAL ENTRY OPTIONS AT THIS TIME.

ALL ENTRY HAS BEEN SUSPENDED INDEFINITELY.

REGARDLESS, THE ADMINISTRATION CAN CREATE A LOT OF FEAR, ANXIETY, AND HARM.

AS WE HAVE SEEN IN THE LAST WEEK ALREADY.

WE ARE SEEING THE CHILLING EFFECTS WHEN RESIDENTS ARE AFRAID TO SEND THEIR KIDS TO SCHOOL, ARE AFRAID TO SEEK MEDICAL ATTENTION, AND ARE AFRAID TO SHOW UP FOR WORK.

LIVING IN THE CITY OF EL CAJON, ATTORNEY GENERAL ROB BONDE HAS MADE IT CLEAR MULTIPLE TIMES AND IN MULTIPLE WAYS THAT CALIFORNIA WILL NOT STAND IN THE WAY OF FEDERAL IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT.

HE HAS ISSUED CLEAR GUIDELINES ON SB 54.

NOT ONLY WILL IT BE SPENDING IF LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT DOES THIS, NOT ONLY WILL IT BE SPENDING LOCAL RESOURCES AND FUNDING TO DO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT'S JOB, IT MAY RISK HAVING TO SPEND MONEY DEFENDING CALIF VIOLATING CALIFORNIA LAW MONIES THAT ARE BETTER SERVED, PROTECTING COMMUNITY MEMBERS FROM THE EXPECTED RISE IN HATE CRIMES AND RESULT AS A RESULT OF ANTI-IMMIGRANT RHETORIC.

MAY YOUR TIME THANK PLEASE VOTE NO, I'M .

I LIVE IN LAKESIDE.

I HOPE I CAN BE HERE.

I GUESS I AM.

UH,

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THE FIRST ONE, WAIT, TAKE UNTIL THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND THE STATE GOVERNMENTS RESOLVE INCONSISTENCIES.

FRANKLY, I DON'T THINK THAT'S EVER GONNA HAPPEN.

SO THE SECOND OPTION, ADOPT A RESOLUTION TO SEEK ADDITIONAL CLARIFICATION FROM THE STATE AND FEDERAL, FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

THIS, I REALLY WANNA SEE.

I WANNA SEE THIS DONE.

I HOPE IT CAN BE DONE.

I PRAY A LOT.

MAYBE IT CAN.

AND, UM, THERE'S, I ALSO PRAY THAT WE JUST WOULD NOT HAVE SO MUCH FEAR AND ANGER AND RACE BAITING.

I MEAN, SOME PEOPLE JUST LOVE TO GET UP HERE AND OH, SAY THINGS THAT ARE SO INFLAMMATORY AND THEY, THEY EVIDENTLY LIKE THAT.

I DON'T, BUT I WOULD TELL YOU IF I WAS TALKING TO YOU FACE TO FACE, JUST BETWEEN YOU AND ME, DO WHATEVER IT TAKES TO KEEP THE PEOPLE SAFE.

WE'RE IN A TIME WHERE THE THREE LETTER AGENCIES, THE CIA, THE FBI, THEY ALL HAVE A ROTTEN REPUTATION.

PEOPLE ARE AFRAID AND THEY HAVE GOOD RIGHT TO BE, I'M AFRAID AT TIMES.

AND I'M, YOU KNOW, NOT AN IMMIGRANT, BUT STILL THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT LIE TO AND STEAL NO MATTER WHAT.

AND A LOT OF THEM HAVE BEEN IN THE GOVERNMENT THE PAST FOUR YEARS.

I'M HOPING FOR JUSTICE.

THAT'S, I'M HOPING THAT YOU STAND FOR JUSTICE FOR ALL OF US.

NOT JUST FOR US WHITE PEOPLE, BUT FOR EVERYBODY.

BERNARDO.

BERNARDO GARCIA LEE AND N NORA MONTENEGRO, MAYOR, PASTOR GARCIA IN THE, AND I LOVE THE COMMUNITY.

I LOVE LATINOS.

EVERYONE, NO MATTER THE COLOR, UH, EVERYONE IS IMPORTANT BEFORE GOD.

AND, UH, WE KNOW, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY HAS BEEN TALKING ABOUT, WE'VE BEEN, UH, STRANGERS.

LIKE, UH, UH, WHEN THE NATION STARTS IN THIS, UH, THE WHOLE NATION, THERE WAS ONLY 13 COLONISTS AND EVERYBODY CAME FROM DIFFERENT COUNTRIES.

AND, UH, UH, EVERYBODY CONTRIBUTES FOR THE GOAT, THIS COUNTRY.

AND, UH, NOW WE HAVE A NICE COUNTRY, GREAT COUNTRY.

AND, UH, OUR COMMUNITY HAS BEEN, UH, WORKING HARD.

YOU KNOW, THE LATINOS AND I LOVE THE EVERYONE.

AND, UH, I'M HERE TO SAY, YOU KNOW, UH, NOT THE RESOLUTION.

'CAUSE UH, IT'S IMPORTANT.

THE COMMUNITY, UH, HISPANIC PEOPLE HAS BEEN WORKING SO HARD.

AND, UH, WHAT HAPPENED OR WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IF YOU PULL, UH, UH, MANY PEOPLE OUT, WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN WITH THE HOUSES? MANY PEOPLE HAVE, UH, HOUSE CARS, UH, MOTOR HOMES OR, UH, MOTOR HOMES.

WHO'S GONNA PAY THAT TO THE BANK? SO I THINK WE HAVE TO, UH, THINK A LITTLE MORE ABOUT IT.

AND, UM, I KNOW THAT GOVERNMENTS, LOCAL GOVERNMENTS, UH, TRY TO DO SOMETHING BETTER AND BETTER.

AND, UH, I LOVE, I DON'T, UH, I DON'T LOVE THE CRIME.

I DON'T LIKE THE CRIME PEOPLE.

AND, UH, BUT, UM, I'M HERE TO SAY NO TO THE RESOLUTION.

AND, UH, WE WANT THE BEST FOR THE CITY, FOR THE, UH, COUNTRY.

YOU KNOW, WE HAVE, UH, ALMOST 70,000, UH, UH, HISPANIC PEOPLE IN THE FORMATION.

SO WE WE'RE DOING A LOT OF GOOD STUFF FOR THE, FOR THE NATION BUSINESS AND ALL KIND OF STUFF.

UH, I'M NOT SAYING NOTHING ABOUT THE DRUGS, YOU KNOW, UH, THOSE PEOPLE BUYING THE DRUGS, SOME PEOPLE SELLING AND SOME PEOPLE BUYING.

BUT, UH, WE HAVE TO, EXCUSE ME.

UH, THE GOVERNMENT HAS TO TAKE THE CONTROL OF THAT.

I, I HAVE TO CUT YOU OFF YOUR TIME WITH UP.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR WELLS.

UH, COUNCIL MEMBERS AND, UH, CITY STAFF, AND TO EVERYONE WHO ARE HERE, I'M RA MONTENEGRO AND I'M REPRESENTING THE NATIONAL FEDERATION OF FILIPINO-AMERICAN ASSOCIATIONS.

AS, AS I SAID, FILIPINO-AMERICAN

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ASSOCIATION.

THEREFORE, IT SHOWS THAT I'M ALREADY STANDING HERE AS AN IMMIGRANT, AND I'M STANDING HERE AS A WOMAN.

I AM STANDING HERE AS A WORKER, AND I AM STANDING HERE AS AN IMMIGRANT WHO SEEK CITIZENSHIP IN THIS COUNTRY BECAUSE I BELIEVED THAT THIS COUNTRY WILL BE PROVIDING US SAFETY AND JUSTICE.

THE REASON WHY WE'RE HERE IS BECAUSE THERE IS ONE ISSUE THAT WE HAVE TO RESOLVE.

AND THAT ISSUE IS WHETHER THE COUNCIL WILL PASS RESOLUTION NINE ALONG HERE IS STANDING BEFORE YOU TO REQUEST THAT.

PLEASE COUNSEL WITH ALL YOUR CONSCIENCE, VOTE NO TO THIS RESOLUTION FOR THE FOLLOWING REASON.

NUMBER ONE, YOU REQUESTING FOR RESOLVE THE, YOU KNOW, THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN FEDERAL AND UH, STATE LAWS, WHICH WE'LL HAVE TO FOLLOW THE MOMENT THAT IS RESOLVED.

BUT ANOTHER THING IS WE WANTED VOTE MORE BECAUSE THIS RESOLUTION IS NOT NECESSARY.

WHY DO YOU HAVE TO HAVE THIS WHEN THIS RESOLUTION IS GIVING A LOT OF FEAR TO THE COMMUNITY? I DON'T WANNA REPEAT ANYMORE WHAT ALL THE OTHER PEOPLE HAD BEEN SAYING.

YOU HAVE HEARD THEM, YOU HAVE HEARD BOTH SIDES, AND YOU HAVE TWO WAY BOTH SIDES.

BUT THE THING IS, THANK YOU, YOUR TIME IS FINISHED, BUT THIS RESOLUTION, PLEASE VOTE NO FOR THIS.

LEE LEE RALLO, CHERYL CARUSO AND ELLA JIMENEZ.

HI, MY NAME IS LEE STEWART RALLO, AND I'M A SAN DIEGO NATIVE.

I GREW UP AT SPRING VALLEY AND I'VE BEEN HERE FOR ALL OF MY LIFE EXCEPT FOR THE THREE YEARS THAT I SERVED IN THE US ARMY.

AND I'VE BEEN OUT HERE IN EL CAJON.

WE'VE BEEN HERE FOR OVER 20 YEARS.

I'VE NEVER BEEN TO A CITY COUNCIL MEETING BEFORE, SO THIS IS A LITTLE INTIMIDATING.

BUT I'VE BEEN TO A LOT OF SCHOOL BOARD MEETINGS AS WE'VE GOTTEN INVOLVED IN THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF.

AND I JUST FEEL LIKE THE CITY COUNCIL IS KIND OF IN A ROCK AND A HARD PLACE.

YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT THAT WANTS TO TAKE THE VIOLENT CRIMINALS OUT, AND THEN YOU HAVE THE STATE THAT DOESN'T WANT YOU TO BE ABLE TO DO ANYTHING AND KIND OF TIES YOUR HANDS.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT WILL TAKE RESOLUTION OR NO RESOLUTION.

I THINK THE MOST IMPORTANT THING THAT YOU DO IS YOU KEEP THE CITY, THE CITIZENS SAFE.

AND SO TO ME, IF YOU'RE GONNA GET SOME HELP IN GETTING RID OF THE VIOLENT CRIMINAL ILLEGALS, THEN BY ALL MEANS, TAKE IT.

BUT PLEASE KEEP IT SAFE.

AND, UM, PRAYING VERY HARD FOR YOU ALL.

UH, THIS IS MY FIRST TIME EVER DOING ANYTHING LIKE THIS, BUT I FELT VERY COMPELLED.

AND, UH, THANK YOU FOR OPENING IT UP FOR EVERYBODY.

UM, AND HONORABLE PEOPLE.

UM, ANYWAY, REAL QUICK, UM, UH, I THINK THAT THE ISSUE IS THE VIOLENT CRIMINALS.

IT'S BEEN THE LAST FOUR YEARS THEY OPENED THE, THE, THE, UH, BORDER AND PEOPLE CAME FROM ALL OVER THE GLOBE AND THEY, WE GOT A LOT OF THE CRIMINALS.

AND SO I SAY YES ON, ON NUMBER, UH, NINE, TWO, THE SECOND ONE.

UM, BUT JUST A LITTLE BIT WHO I AM.

I HAVE HELPED MANY, UM, LEGAL, UH, IMMIGRANTS BECOME CITIZENS.

I HAVE GONE WITH THEM THROUGH THE COURSES AND, AND I'VE, I'VE GONE TO THE, UH, PRESENTATIONS WHEN THEY GET THEIR CITIZENSHIP.

AND IT'S SO EXCITING.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE WANT.

WE, THAT'S, THAT IS THE BEST BECAUSE, AND, AND SEVERAL PEOPLE HERE ARE LEGAL.

UM, THEY WENT THROUGH THE WHOLE PROCESS AND THEY WENT THROUGH THE PRESENTATION.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE WANT.

THESE ARE GOOD PEOPLE.

IT'S NOT TO BE DIVIDED.

THIS, WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO IS GET RID OF THE DANGER AND, AND THE HARM AND THE, THE, THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE COME OVER THE BORDER THE LAST FOUR YEARS, IT'S BEEN HORRIBLE.

I COMMEND YOU GUYS FOR THIS

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THANK YOU FOR GIVING US THE OPPORTUNITY TO TALK TO YOU.

AND MAD NAME IS ESTELLA JIMENEZ, AND I'M A IMMIGRANT LADY.

I HAVE CHILDREN WHO BORN IN THIS COUNTRY AND I HAVE BEEN WORKING SO HARD TO GET MY EDUCATION.

AND I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH IMMIGRANT CHILDREN AS A VOLUNTEER.

AND I PLEASE SAY LIKE TO YOU, PLEASE VOTE AGAINST, UH, THIS RESOLUTION NINE, BECAUSE THIS IS GONNA HARM FAMILIES.

THIS IS GONNA HARM CHILDREN.

PEOPLE'S TALKING ABOUT THROW, THROW AWAY ALL THE ILLEGAL, UH, CRIMINALS.

CHILDREN ARE NOT CRIMINALS.

CHILDREN ARE VICTIM OF THIS SYSTEM, THIS BROKEN SYSTEM ON IMMIGRATION.

WHAT WE REALLY NEED, WHAT WE REALLY NEED IS TO HAVE A COMPRESSIVE IMMIGRATION REFORMATION TO, TO LEGALIZE ALL THESE CHILDREN, WOMEN AND MEN OF WHO REALLY COME TO THIS COUNTRY TO MAKE A BETTER LIFE, TO MAKE A BETTER COUNTRY WHO GET A LOT FROM THIS, UH, LIFE, THIS COUNTRY.

AND PLEASE, ALL OF YOU THINK ABOUT ALL, ALL THESE CHILDREN, THINK ABOUT LIKE WHAT IS THE BEST FOR THE FUTURE, NOT JUST IN ORDER TO DIVIDE PEOPLE IN ORDER TO PERSECUTE AND FOLLOW ALL THESE FAMILIES, LIKE WALKING APART RIGHT NOW.

PLEASE FEEL COMPASSION ON YOUR HEART HEARTS WHEN YOU DO THIS BOOK.

THANK YOU, RANDY.

RANDY TORRES, CONSUELO AND JANE BRA.

COULD YOU EVENING COUNCIL MEMBERS? MY NAME IS RANDY TORRES VAN FLECK, AND I'M THE ASSOCIATE DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY AND HOUSING DEVELOPMENT AT PANA, PARTNERSHIP FOR ADVANCEMENT OF NEW AMERICANS.

AND AT PANA, WE'RE PROUD TO BE WORKING IN EL CAJON AS A CITY WITH A HISTORY OF WELCOMING REFUGEES AND IMMIGRANTS.

THIS IS A MOMENT FOR EL CAJONS LEADERSHIP TO STAND WITH ITS COMMUNITIES.

AS A CLEAR EXAMPLE OF MORAL AND ETHICAL LEADERSHIP, POL POLICIES THAT PRIORITIZE DETENTION AND EXPEDITED REMOVAL CAN JEOPARDIZE COMMUNITY TRUST AND THE ECONOMIC STABILITY OF EL CAJON.

THERE HAVE BEEN DOCUMENTED AND CLEAR INSTANCES WHERE EXPEDITED REMOVAL PROCEDURES HAVE LED TO MISTAKEN IDENTITY AND WRONGFUL DETENTION OF US CITIZENS AND LAWFUL RESIDENTS.

WE URGE YOU TO REJECT THIS RESOLUTION BECAUSE WE BELIEVE IT VIOLATES SENATE BILL 54.

THE CALIFORNIA VALUES ACT HARMS VULNERABLE RESIDENTS AND DAMAGES COMMUNITY TRUST.

THIS ISN'T JUST A POLICY MATTER, IT'S ABOUT PROTECTING THE VALUES THAT MAKE EL CAJON A BEAUTIFUL AND THRIVING COMMUNITY.

THIS IS, UH, GOSH, THIS IS SO HARD.

HI, UH, MAYOR BILL WELLIS.

UH, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALL THE WONDERFUL THINGS YOU'VE DONE FOR EL CAJON.

I JUST SO GLAD YOU'RE OUR MAYOR AND I'M HERE TO BE FOR ICE.

COMING AND GETTING ALL THE ILLEGAL CRIMINALS OUT OF EL CAJON.

I, I JUST CAN'T BELIEVE HOW PEOPLE CAN STAND UP AND DON'T WANT ILLEGAL CRIMINALS TAKEN OUT OF OUR, OF OUR CITY, OUT OF OUR COUNTRY.

THERE'S MILLIONS BIDEN LED IN MILLIONS OF ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS COME IN AND THEY'RE GANG LEADERS.

THEY'RE VIOLENT, THEY RAPE, THEY'RE PEDOPHILES, THEY'RE WICKED, THEY'RE EVIL.

THEY DO SO MUCH DAMAGE TO US.

AND HOW YOU CANNOT ALLOW ICE TO COME INTO EL CAJON AND THROUGHOUT THE UNITED STATES.

I JUST CAN'T UNDERSTAND IT.

I MEAN, WE WANNA STAND FOR WHAT'S LAW.

I'VE BEEN A CITIZEN OF EL CAJON FOR LIKE 36 YEARS.

UH, I'M AN AMERICAN CITIZEN FROM IMMIGRANTS THAT CAME HERE AND BECAME LEGAL CITIZENS.

AND WE NEED THESE ILLEGAL CRIMINALS.

WE NEED THEM OUT OF, OUT OF HERE.

AND PRESIDENT TRUMP WAS ERECTED BY THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE.

HE WANTS WHAT IS RIGHT FOR OUR COUNTRY, AND WE DO WANNA HELP PEOPLE GET LEGAL STATUS, BUT WE DO NOT WANT CRIMINALS AND TAKE THEM OUT AFTER CONSUELO, WE HAVE MARIA BAPTISTA AND TISH ANA ELA HERE.

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THIS IS VERY DIFFICULT ONLY BECAUSE, I MEAN, I AM, MY FATHER CAME HERE ILLEGALLY.

AND, UH, NO DOUBT WITH THAT BEING SAID, HE, UM, HE EVENTUALLY BECAME LEGAL.

AND, UM, IT WAS JUST, UH, IT'S JUST, IT'S SO HARD BECAUSE I GET, YOU KNOW, I WASN'T CLEAR ON THE ITEM INITIALLY COMING HERE, BUT I GET WHAT IT IS YOU GUYS ARE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH.

AND THAT IS TO GET RID OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT DOING A SERVICE TO OUR COUNTRY.

AND THEY'RE DOING A DISSERVICE BY, UM, SOME OF THEIR ILLEGAL ACTS.

I MEAN, LET'S JUST BE REAL.

THE FIRST ILLEGAL ACT WAS COMMITTED, WAS CROSSING OVER, AND WE CAN'T ARGUE THAT.

UM, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, IT'S, UM, I JUST WISH THE PEOPLE WERE MORE INFORMED ABOUT THE ITEM.

AND IT'S NOT TO COME AFTER ANYBODY WHO IS, UM, DOING GOOD FOR US.

UM, THIS IS JUST REALLY, IT'S JUST SO SAD.

IT IS SO SAD.

AND I WISH PEOPLE WOULD PAY MORE ATTENTION, ESPECIALLY WHAT'S HAPPENING WITHIN OUR COUNTY.

NOT JUST AT THESE CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS, BUT JUST ON JUST EVERYTHING THAT'S HAPPENING WITHIN OUR COUNTY.

'CAUSE WE CAN'T REALLY CONTROL WHAT'S HAPPENING ON A FEDERAL LEVEL.

WE CAN JUST CONTROL WHAT'S HAPPENING IN OUR BACKYARDS.

AND, UM, WITH JUST, WITH THAT BEING SAID, MY LAST 30 SECONDS, I JUST WANT, UM, FOR THE PEOPLE JUST TO RECOGNIZE ONE THING THEY DO WANT US DIVIDED.

AND THAT IS SO CLEAR IN THIS ROOM.

AND, UM, IT'S JUST, UH, IT'S SAD.

IT'S SAD, AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO GIVE ME AN APPLAUSE.

I'LL APPLAUD MYSELF BECAUSE I'M ON NOBODY'S SIDE.

I'M JUST ON THE SIDE OF LOGICS AND, UM, USING DISCERNMENT.

AND AT THIS POINT IT'S LIKE NOBODY IS DOING THAT ANYMORE.

SAD UTI.

THEN WE HAVE TISH QUINTANA.

GOOD AFTERNOON OR EVENING.

NOW, I WROTE DOWN JOTTED SOME THINGS HERE AS I LISTENED TO EVERYBODY.

MY NAME IS LETICIA QUINTANA.

I GO BY TIS.

I AM AN AMERICAN CITIZEN FIRST BEFORE MY HISPANIC HERITAGE BECAUSE GOD SEES US ALL ALIKE.

THIS MEETING HERE TODAY PROVES IMMIGRATION IN AMERICA OR IMMIGRANTS IN AMERICA ARE NOT VOICELESS, BUT CITIZENS ARE NOW THE VOICELESS ONES.

I'M HERE AS AN ADVOCATE FOR CITIZENSHIP FIRST.

SO LET ME BEGIN.

THINGS IN OUR COUNTRY HAVE BEEN MUDDLED IN OUR COUNTRY FOR DECADES NOW.

IT WAS DONE ON PURPOSE FOR PEOPLE WITH AN AGENDA.

SO LET ME START BY CLARIFYING AND BRINGING THIS BACK TO REALITY AND CLEAR DEFINITIONS.

THE DEFINITION OF A CITIZEN IS A PERSON LEGALLY BELONGS TO A COUNTRY AND HAS THE RIGHTS AND PROTECTION OF THAT COUNTRY.

DEFINITION OF AN ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT OR AN UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANT, A FOREIGN NATIONAL WHO IS LIVING WITHOUT OFFICIAL AUTHORIZATION IN A COUNTRY OF WHICH THEY ARE NOT A CITIZEN, ILLEGAL ALIEN, A RESIDENT WHO WAS BORN ELSEWHERE AND IS NOT A CITIZEN OF THE COUNTRY.

HE OR SHE NOW LIVES IN.

THERE ARE 195 COUNTRIES IN THE WORLD.

THERE ARE NO COUNTRIES IN THE WORLD ALLOWING FULL CITIZENSHIP RIGHTS TO ILLEGALS AND FUNDING ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS UPON ARRIVALS.

THESE 195 COUNTRIES CARE ABOUT THEIR PEOPLE, THEIR CITIZENS.

DO YOU, AS OUR REPRESENTATIVES, DO YOU CARE ABOUT THE CITIZENS HERE OR DO YOU CARE MORE ABOUT THE NATIONALS FROM OTHER COUNTRIES WHO ARE COMING HERE ILLEGALLY BY THE MILLIONS AND TAKING OUR FEDERAL, OUR STATE, AND OUR LOCAL FUNDS, WHICH WE TAXPAYERS PAY OUR CITIZENS.

OH, YOUR TIME'S UP.

MAUREEN REEN BRANDHAM, RACHEL LONO AND MUMAS MOM.

OUR CITIZENS AND OUR VETERANS, OUR ON THE STREETS.

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MAUREEN RACHEL LONO.

CAN YOU REPEAT THE NAME? RACHEL LOSANO.

RACHEL LONO, SHE AND MONT ANGELA ELMAN.

JUSTIN, UH, TI TRACY, COULD YOU PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME? UH, RACHEL LOZANO.

INSTEAD, SUPPORT OUR COMMUNITIES.

COUNCIL MAYOR, STAFF.

UH, MY NAME IS RACHEL LOZANO CASTRO.

I WAS EDUCATED EIGHT MILES FROM HERE.

I'M EMPLOYED IN THIS REGION.

I STARTED A BUSINESS HERE.

I'M OFTEN IN EL CAJON CITY TO DO BUSINESS AND VISIT FAMILY AND FRIENDS WHO ARE RESIDENTS, WHO ARE BUSINESS OWNERS, HOMEOWNERS, EDUCATORS IN THE CITY.

I'M A FIFTH GENERATION AMERICAN CITIZEN AND I STAND WITH NEWCOMERS.

I'M PROUD TO MAKE PART OF THE TEAM OF THE PARTNERSHIP FOR THE ADVANCEMENT OF NEW AMERICANS DAILY.

WE WORK IN THE REGION AND SPECIFICALLY IN THE CITY OF EL CAJON, A VIBRANT HOME TO DIVERSE IMMIGRANT AND REFUGEE COMMUNITIES, INCLUDING OUR NEWEST NEWCOMERS, AFGHAN PAROLEES AND SYRIAN REFUGEES.

I ASK THAT YOU REJECT THIS RESOLUTION.

AGENDA NUMBER NINE.

INVEST IN RESOURCES AND INFRASTRUCTURE FOR INCLUSION.

THIS IS ABOUT PROTECTING THE VALUES THAT MAKE EL CAJON CITY THE BEAUTIFUL AND DIVERSE AND THRIVING COMMUNITY THAT IT IS.

WE MUST PRIORITIZE FAIRNESS, JUSTICE, AND THE SAFETY OF ALL RESIDENTS OVER ACTIONS THAT SOW FEAR AND DIVISION.

THE CURRENT PROPOSED TITLE OF THE RESOLUTION BEFORE YOU TODAY INCLUDES THE PHRASE, PUBLIC SAFETY FOR ALL RESIDENTS.

YOU HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO PROTECT THE SAFETY OF ALL RESIDENTS IN THE CITY OF EL CAJON.

ANGELA ELMAN.

TRACY TILL AND YUSEF MILLER.

HE'S COMING.

HE'S, UH, IN HIS CAR.

UM, MEGAN HAN.

ER MEGAN, WE HAVE ASHARI ABDUL M HELLO, GOOD EVENING.

MAYOR WELLS, RESPECTED COUNCIL MEMBERS, FELLOW COMMUNITY AND NEIGHBORS.

MY NAME IS MEH HAN AND I'M EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF BORDERLANDS FOR EQUITY, A PRO BONO CIVIL RIGHTS NONPROFIT BASED RIGHT HERE IN EAST COUNTY AND SERVING THE GREATER SAN DIEGO COUNTY AREA.

WE SERVE AFGHAN, MEXICAN, IRAQI, SUDANESE, SYRIAN, KURDISH, IRANIAN, KDE, SOMALI, PALESTINIAN, AFRICAN AMERICAN AND INDIGENOUS PEOPLE RIGHT HERE IN EL CAJON.

AND AS A PROUD MISSILE AND BORDER OF REFUGEES FROM AFGHANISTAN WHO SOUGHT REFUGE HERE OVER 40 YEARS AGO.

LIKE MANY THOUSANDS OF AFGHAN, SIV, ASYLUMS, PAROLEES AND ASYLUM SEEKERS OUT HERE IN EL CAJON, WE URGE THAT YOU PLEASE MAKE SURE TO, UM, LISTEN TO THE VOICES OF THE PAPER HERE.

THERE A MOMENT THAT WE ARE COMING UPON THAT IS GOING TO CREATE CHAOS.

THERE'S FEAR BEING, UH, CULTIVATED IN OUR COMMUNITIES THAT WE DON'T NEED.

THERE ARE CHILDREN THAT DON'T WANNA LEAVE THEIR HOMES.

LIKE MANY OF OUR SIBLINGS HAVE SAID TONIGHT THAT ARE SCARED TO GO TO SCHOOL FOR FEAR OF LOSING THEIR PARENTS.

THIS RESOLUTION IS NOT HELPFUL IN TIMES OF CHAOS.

IMMIGRANTS, REFUGEES, AND MIGRANTS OF ALL COLORS AND CREEDS ARE CONTRIBUTING AND ARE VITAL MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY HERE IN EAST COUNTY.

AND SPECIFICALLY EL CAJON.

COUNCIL MEMBERS MUST REJECT THIS FEAR MANING LANGUAGE AND WORK TOWARDS EXPANDING PUBLIC SAFETY AND BY PROMOTING PROGRAMS THAT UPLIFT THE DIGNITY OF ALL OF OUR SIBLINGS.

ASHARI.

ABDUL, TIMOTHY REDBIRD.

IS HE IN THE RIGHT THERE? IS HE IN THE QUEUE? YUSEF MILLER.

MILLER.

MR. MILLER.

AND I'M HERE TO SAY THAT THIS IS NOT ABOUT LAW AND ORDER.

I WAS IN MY CAR.

MY NAME IS YUSEF MILLER.

I'M A BOARD MEMBER OF CSA FAIR HOUSING.

SO A LOT OF THESE PEOPLE HERE ARE MY CLIENTS AND MY FRIENDS, MY FAMILY.

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IF IT WAS ABOUT LAW AND ORDER, WE WOULDN'T HAVE HAD A SWEEPING BILL RELEASING ALL THESE 1500, 1700 PEOPLE WHO STORMED OUR CAPITOL.

IF IT WASN'T ABOUT LAWS, IT WOULD BE ABOUT THAT.

THIS IS JUST AN ATTEMPT.

THIS IS JUST AN ATTEMPT TO KISS THE BRASS RING OF DONALD TRUMP.

AND THIS, WE'RE SEEING STRAIGHT THROUGH THIS.

ALL OF US SEE THROUGH THIS.

WHAT WE SEE HERE IS AN ATTACK ON OUR BROWN COMMUNITY IN THE NAME OF LAW AND SECURITY.

I'M NOT AN IMMIGRANT FROM MEXICO OR ANY SOUTH AMERICAN COUNTRY.

MY PEOPLE WERE VICTIMIZED BY IMMIGRANTS FROM EUROPE HERE.

SO HOW DO I KNOW WHAT THE IMMIGRANTS ARE FEELING TODAY? THERE WAS A SAME BILL IN OUR FEDERAL CONSTITUTION, WHICH IS THE FUGITIVE SLAVE ACT THAT PUT ALL BLACK PEOPLE UNDER THREAT.

THEY SAID, YEAH, THEY'RE LOOKING FOR THE BLACKS WHO BROKE THE LAW BY ESCAPING FOR FREEDOM.

LIKE A LOT OF OUR BROTHERS AND SISTERS HERE HAVE ESCAPED FOR FREEDOM.

YEAH, THEY WERE ESCAPING FROM A GOVERNMENT THAT WAS CRIMINALIZING THEM BASED ON THE COLOR OF THEIR SKIN.

AND YES, ALL OF OUR FAMILIES WHO WERE, UH, BORN FREE IN THIS NATION WAS STILL AFRAID AND WAS STILL ROUNDED UP AND STILL TAKEN INTO SLAVERY.

SO I UNDERSTAND WHAT MY, MY LATINX BROTHERS AND SISTERS ARE FEELING.

I STAND WITH MY LATINX BROTHERS AND SISTERS, MY BROTHERS AND SISTERS FROM THE MIDDLE EAST, MY BROTHERS AND SISTERS FROM ALL OVER THE PLACE THAT COME HERE FOR RIGHTS AND FREEDOM OF FREEDOM THAT THEY SHOULD BE GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE.

THIS IS NOT ABOUT THE FEARMONGERING BECAUSE WE WANNA KNOW, UH, MAYOR WELLS, WHO DO YOU SUPPORT? DO YOU SUPPORT THE FAMILIES OR ARE YOU THE ONE WHO'S GONNA BRING THE FEAR AND TERROR AND LOSS OF TRUST IN THIS CITY? THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SEEING GOING ON.

SO VOTE NO ON ITEM NINE.

THIS IS JUST A REHASH OF THE FUGITIVE, FUGITIVE SLAVE ACT, AND WE'RE FILLING IT IN OUR LATINO COMMUNITY.

YES, TIMOTHY REDBIRD, BOB COLLINS, UH, WHO THANK YOU.

UM, I WANNA SAY, UM, THE CREATOR.

BLESS ALL THE PEOPLE, COUNCIL MEMBERS AND DAKOTA BLESSED EL CAJON.

IT'S A GOOD PLACE TO LIVE AND COURAGE TO BLESS ALL THE, THE IMMIGRANTS WHO COME HERE CREATED TO BLESS ALL THE WAVE AS THE MOON THAT COME HERE AND TRY TO BE GOOD AND HELPFUL AND USEFUL IN OUR BEAUTIFUL COUNTRY.

HERE.

WE HAVE NO BORDERS HERE.

MANY COMMUNISTS.

THAT'S WHY THEY'RE HERE.

THEY BOND.

WE STICK AROUND AND WE'VE BEEN TOGETHER THAT WE, WE SPEAK ENGLISH UP HERE, WE SPEAK SPANISH UP THERE, DOWN THAT WAY BECAUSE OF THE CONQUERORS THAT CAME HERE AND DIVIDED US.

BUT NOW, WHICH WE STILL HAVE THE CREATOR'S LOVE THAT CAN US AND GIVE US HOPE.

AND, AND YOUR KIDS CAN HAVE GOOD DREAMS AND WE CAN HAVE A GOOD TOMORROW.

AND THAT'S WHY IT'S UP TO YOU PEOPLE TO HELP US AND PUT AN END FOR THIS NONSENSE THAT THE PRESIDENT'S TRYING TO PUT ON EVERYBODY.

DIVIDE AND CONQUER US.

AND THAT'S, THAT'S NO GOOD.

WE LEARN TO LOVE EACH OTHER.

LEARN TO LOVE.

GIVE THAT LOVE FOR EVERYTHING.

JUST LIKE YOUR KIDS, JUST LIKE YOUR GRANDPA AND GRANDMA.

LIKE EVERYBODY IN YOUR FAMILY.

THERE'S THAT LOVE.

THAT'S WHAT'S GOTTA BE INVOLVED AROUND HERE FOR US TO GET TOGETHER AND FORGET TO COLOR SKIN.

FORGET EVERYTHING ELSE.

WE GOTTA LEARN HOW TO BE HUMAN BEINGS GOOD TOO.

LIVE HUMAN BEINGS TO HELP ONE ANOTHER.

THREE COMMANDMENTS HERE.

THE FIRST ONE IS GIVE THANKS AND PRAISE TO IGHT CREATOR.

SECOND ONE, HELP SOMEBODY.

THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE THERE FOR THE HELP.

THAT'S WHY YOU'VE HERE FOR THE HELP.

AND THIRD ONE, ENJOY.

ENJOY.

SO INSTEAD OF DIVIDE AND CONQUER, THAT'S YOUR NIGHT.

AND LET'S LIVE TOGETHER AND LOVE AND HELP.

ONE ANOTHER ONE, IANS, MIRIAM RAMIREZ.

MIRIAM AND THEN CRYSTAL REED.

GOOD EVENING, CITY COUNCIL.

MY NAME IS MEDIUM AND I'M A RESIDENT OF EL CAJON.

I'M HERE TODAY TO SPEAK OUT AGAINST THE RESOLUTION PROPOSED BY MAYOR WELLS.

AT THE CORE OF THE ORDINANCE IS A TROUBLING TREND THAT IS GAINING TRACTION ACROSS THE US RACIAL PROFILING.

IT'S ALREADY A HARMFUL PRACTICE IN MANY PARTS OF THE COUNTRY.

AND TO SEE IT POTENTIALLY BEING INTRODUCED IN OUR CITY IS DEEPLY CONCERNING.

RACIAL PROFILING DOES NOT MAKE OUR

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COMMUNITY SAFER.

IF IT BREEDS DIVISION, MISTRUST AND FEAR, IT UNDERMINES THE SAFETY AND THE UNITY THAT ALL OF US, REGARDLESS OF BACKGROUND AND STATUS DESERVE.

HOWEVER, THERE'S ANOTHER SERIOUS CONSEQUENCE THAT I'D LIKE TO BRING ATTENTION TO.

IF THIS ORDINANCE PASSES.

EL CAJON ALREADY FACES SOME OF THE HIGHEST CRIME RATES IN SAN DIEGO COUNTY AS A RESIDENT.

THAT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO ME.

ACCORDING TO NEIGHBORHOOD SCOUT, THE CRIME RATE PER SQUARE MILE IN EL CAJON IS SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER.

147 INCIDENTS COMPARED TO THE STATE AVERAGE OF 84.

AND THE COUNTY MEDIUM OF 26.5, I'M SORRY, NOT THE COUNTY, THE COUNTRY MEDIUM OF 26.5 IN TERMS OF PROPERTY CRIME, THE ODDS OF BECOMING A VICTIM IN EL CAJON ARE ONE IN 63.

I KNOW BECAUSE I LIVE NEXT TO A LOT OF THESE ENCAMPMENTS.

WELL, THE STATE AVERAGE IS ONE IN 43 FOR VIOLENT CRIMES.

THE CHANCES OF EL CAJON IS ONE IN 209 VERSUS CALIFORNIA'S AVERAGE OF ONE IN 197.

THAT'S SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER.

THESE STATISTIC HIGHLIGHT A CRUCIAL REALITY.

OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT IS ALREADY STRETCHED THIN.

ADDING THE BURDEN OF RACIAL PROFILING, ENFORCEMENT, OR DIVERTING RESOURCES TO HANDLE THIS ISSUE WILL ONLY MAKE THEIR JOBS HARDER.

OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS SHOULD BE FOCUSING ON WHAT REALLY MATTERS, PROTECTING RESIDENTS, PREVENTING CRIMES, AND BUILDING STRONGER COMMUNITY RELATIONSHIPS WITH ALL PEOPLE INSTEAD OF SUPPORTING POLICIES THAT WILL DILUTE THEIR ABILITY TO DO THIS.

THE REAL QUESTION WE SHOULD BE ASKING IS THIS IN THE, EXCUSE ME, THE REAL QUESTION WE SHOULD BE ASKING IS, IS THIS ORDINANCE TRULY IN THE BEST INTEREST OF EL CAJON OR IS POLITICALLY MOTIVATED, DESIGNED TO FURTHER MAYOR WELLS CAREER AT THE EXPENSE OF OUR SAFETY AND WELLBEING? WE DESERVE BETTER THAN THIS.

INSTEAD OF PASSING DIVISIVE POLICIES THAT COULD HAVE NEGATIVE LONG-TERM EFFECTS, LET'S FOCUS ON SMART COMMUNITY DRIVEN INITIATIVES TO TACKLE CRIME AND SUPPORT OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT.

THERE ARE COUNTLESS WAYS WE CAN STRENGTHEN PUBLIC SAFETY FROM IMPROVING COMMUNITY POLICING TO, UH, COMMUNITY POLICIES, TO SUPPORTING CRIME PREVENTION PROGRAMS, ALL WITHOUT COMPROMISING FAIRNESS AND EQUALITY.

IF YOU COULD WRAP IT UP, I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME, SIR.

I HAVE, I REMIND THE COUNCIL THAT THE WORDS OF HARRY TRUMAN LET EACH OF US PUT OUR COUNTRY AHEAD OF PARTY AND AHEAD OF OUR OWN PERSONAL INTEREST.

I URGE YOU ALL TO REJECT THIS ORDINANCE.

CONSIDER THE TRUE COST TO OUR COMMUNITY.

THAT'S IT.

AND LET'S WORK TOGETHER.

AND TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, DON'T LET THEM BE IN MAY.

HAVE YOU BE THE BAD GUYS.

YOU GUYS ARE BETTER THAN THAT.

YOU GUYS DESERVE THE RESPECT THE BAD GUYS.

THANK YOU CRYSTAL REED AND ERIN RAMIREZ.

UH, HELLO, I'VE, THIS IS MY FIRST, UM, CITY COUNCIL MEETING.

IT'S NICE TO MEET YOU ALL.

UM, I JUST WANNA START BY SAYING I HAVE, UM, THREE LATINX CHILDREN.

MY EX-HUSBAND, UM, HE, HE GOT HIS, UM, IMMIGRATION STATUS TO RESIDENCY.

NOT, YOU KNOW, UM, RIGHT.

SOMEBODY SAID THAT YOU COULDN'T, UM, GET LEGAL, UH, CITIZENSHIP OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

THERE'S NOT A PROCESS FOR THAT, WHICH IS NEWS TO ME BECAUSE MY CHILDREN'S GRANDMA IS CURRENTLY IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT PROCESS.

UM, SO I LOVE THE LATIN COMMUNITY.

I I HAVE NOTHING AGAINST IT.

I STRONGLY SUPPORT THAT COMMUNITY, BUT I ALSO SUPPORT THERE, THERE'S AN UNDERLYING EVIL THAT'S HAPPENING AND IT'S HAPPENING TO CHILDREN, IT'S HAPPENING TO CITIZENS, IT'S HAPPENING TO LATINS TOO.

IT'S HAPPENING TO EVERYBODY.

AND I FEEL LIKE THE LANGUAGE OF THIS IS INTIMIDATING, THAT LATIN COMMUNITY, BUT I, I PRAY THAT IT DOESN'T BECAUSE GETTING RID OF VIOLENT CRIMINALS IS IMPORTANT.

WE CAN'T EVEN DO IT WITH OUR OWN CITIZENS AND WE CAN'T DO IT WITH ILLEGAL CITIZENS.

AND I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO BE SAFE.

WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO, TO NOT BE AFRAID AND, AND SO SHOULD THE LATIN COMMUNITY THOUGH TOO.

SO I DON'T KNOW, UM, IF THERE'S SOME DETAIL I'M MISSING, BUT ELIMINATING THAT, THAT CRIMINAL ASPECT SEEMS LIKE THE WISE DECISION.

IT SEEMS LIKE THE SMART THING TO DO.

AND I'M NOT SURE WHY THERE'S SO MUCH DIVISION.

AND IF FOR SOME REASON THEY'RE TARGETING, UH, THE LATIN COMMUNITY OVER THIS, THEN I THINK THAT SHOULD BE ADDRESSED.

BUT RIGHT NOW, THE THE LANGUAGE OF IT SAYS TO GET RID OF VIOLENT CRIMINALS.

AND I SUPPORT THAT.

THANK YOU

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MAYOR.

MAYOR, WE HAVE 17 MORE SPEAKER CARDS.

THE NEXT ONE IS AARON RAMIREZ AND PEDRO RES.

AARON PEDROS, NO, OUTSIDE.

OKAY, LET'S MOVE ON THE NEXT, WHILE WE WAIT FOR MR. RIOS, UM, ASMA ABDI AND KRISTEN JARAD.

UM, AMY RAY CARD.

AMY, I JUST WANNA STATE FOR THE RECORD A COUPLE OF CLARIFICATIONS.

FIRST OF ALL, I WAS RAISED JEWISH AND I HAD A BAT MITZVAH AND IT IS OFFENSIVE THAT PEOPLE HAVE INVOKED NAZISM AND THE HOLOCAUST HERE TODAY.

AND I JUST, I REBUKE YOU AND AS A CHRISTIAN, I REBUKE YOU IN JESUS' NAME BECAUSE I GAVE MY HEART TO JESUS CHRIST IN MY THIRTIES.

AND YES, JESUS DID SEEK ASYLUM, LEGAL ASYLUM, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT? HE DID NOT BREAK LAWS.

AND SO GO AHEAD AND STOP FOR A SECOND, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.

WE'LL JUST WAIT, WAIT TILL YOU CAN CONTROL YOURSELF.

OKAY? I ALSO CONTINUE, I'LL GIVE YOU 10 MORE SECONDS AT THE END BECAUSE YOU'RE INTERRUPTED.

I ALSO WANNA MAKE IT CLEAR THAT IF YOU'RE TRYING TO PERSUADE PEOPLE, YOU PROBABLY SHOULDN'T YELL.

YOU LIVE ON STOLEN LAND WHILE BEING DRAPED IN A MEXICAN FLAG.

THAT'S NOT VERY PERSUASIVE.

AND SO WHAT I WANNA DO WITH MY REMAINING SECONDS IS READ OFF THE ACTUAL LAW THAT THEY WANNA WRITE TODAY THAT THEY WANNA PASS.

AND I JUST WANNA SAY YOU'RE GONNA BE HEARING FROM PEDRO RIOS, WHO MAKES SIX FIGURES OFF OF, UH, PROFITING OFF OF ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION CA.

HOME CITY COUNCIL IS CONSIDERING ADOPTING A RESOLUTION THAT SEEKS ADDITIONAL CLARIFICATION FROM STATE AND FEDERAL OFFICIALS ON THE INCONSISTENCIES IN THE RESPECTIVE IMMIGRATION LAWS AND POLICIES, DECLARES THE CITY'S INTENT TO ENSURE THE PUBLIC SAFETY OF ALL RESIDENTS AND ASSERT THE CITY'S INTENT TO COMPLY WITH FEDERAL IMMIGRATION LAW TO LEGAL EXTENT PERMISSIBLE UNDER SB 54 AND OTHER APPLICABLE LAWS TO REMOVE VIOLENT CRIMINALS FROM OUR COMMUNITY.

THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT SHOULD BE AFRAID SHOULD BE THE PEOPLE THAT VOTE AGAINST THIS.

AND I'M LETTING YOU GUYS KNOW ON NOTICE, YES, THERE WILL BE POLITICAL REPERCUSSIONS FOR PEOPLE WHO SUPPORT SANCTUARY LAWS AND ANYONE WHO SUPPORTS VIOLENT CRIMINALS IN THIS COMMUNITY.

THANK YOU LADIES.

GENTLEMEN, CAN YOU PLEASE CONDUCT YOURSELVES? WILL YOU PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME? UM, GOOD EVENING.

MY NAME IS KIRSTEN JARAD AND I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.

I URGE YOU TO VOTE NO ON AGENDA ITEM NINE.

UM, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF TALK OF LAW AND ORDER, BUT THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION ZONE SPOKESMAN HAS ADMITTED THAT EVERY UNDOCUMENTED PERSON IN THIS COUNTRY IS CONSIDERED A CRIMINAL THAT IS BEING TARGETED BY ICE.

RIGHT NOW, WE DON'T NEED A POLICE STATE WHERE A LARGE PORTION OF THE POPULATION IS AFRAID OF THE POLICE.

IT ONLY MAKES THE JOB OF LAW ENFORCEMENT MORE DIFFICULT IF PEOPLE ARE AFRAID TO REPORT CRIME AND COOPERATE WITH THE POLICE.

SANCTUARY STATES AND CITIES ARE STATISTICALLY SAFER THAN NON SANCTUARY STATES AND CITIES.

UNDOCUMENTED PEOPLE ARE HALF AS LIKELY TO COMMIT VIOLENT CRIMES AS OTHERS FROM 1980 TO 2022.

THE NATIONAL CRIME RATE DECLINED BY 60% AS THE IMMIGRATION POPULATION DOUBLED.

POLICE SHOULD COLLABORATE WITH THE LOCAL POPULATION, NOT FEDERAL AGENTS.

OTHERWISE, THIS FEELS A LOT LIKE FASCISM.

ASMA, ASMA ABDI, PEDRO RIOS.

OKAY, UH, MR. G JUAREZ.

I BELIEVE IT'S GUADALUPE JUAREZ.

LUDA.

AND THEN WE HAVE JOETTE ROGERS.

GOOD EVENING MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS.

I THINK MOST OF YOU GUYS KNOW ME HERE.

I'VE BEEN HEAVILY INVOLVED IN THE COMMUNITY FOR A LONG TIME SUPPORTING ALL THE

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YOUTH OF THE COMMUNITY.

AND I SEE IT FIRSTHAND WHAT'S GOING ON OUT THERE.

AND FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT ARE OVER HERE, I AM A FIRST GENERATION AMERICAN.

MY PARENTS CAME HERE AND BECAME CITIZENS.

THEY DID IT THE RIGHT WAY, WHICH IS A WAY ALL THE OTHER GUYS SHOULD BE DOING IT RIGHT NOW.

AND I FULLY SUPPORT WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO.

MAYOR AND I FULLY SUPPORT WHAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT DOES HERE BECAUSE I SEE IT FIRSTHAND OUT THERE WITH THE KIDS THAT I'M WORKING WITH.

THERE'S A LOT OF IMMIGRANTS THAT ARE IN OUR ORGANIZATIONS AND IF WE DON'T PUT A STOP TO IT NOW, IT'S JUST GONNA GET WORSE.

JOETTE ROGERS.

AND THEN I HAVE GAMBLER.

I'M NOT A PUBLIC SPEAKER.

I DON'T LIKE SPEAKING IN PUBLIC.

I DON'T LIKE SPEAKING IN FRONT OF PEOPLE.

I HATE IT.

AND I'M HERE AND I'M LOOKING AT EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU.

AND NONE OF YOU LOOK LIKE MY SKIN.

NONE.

I'M NOT REPRESENTED HERE.

I'M NOT REPRESENTED IN THIS CITY.

I'VE, I'VE LIVED IN EL CAJON FOR ABOUT 20 YEARS OR SO.

I'VE HAD TO CALL THE POLICE ON HMM, A FEW OCCASIONS AND THEY'VE NEVER SHOWN UP FOR ME.

OKAY? SO I THAT'S, THAT'S ONE OF MY FIRST ISSUES.

NOW, YOU WANT TO PUT IN SOMETHING INTO EFFECT WHERE YOU'RE GONNA SHOW UP TO PEOPLE IN THEIR HOMES, IN THEIR SCHOOLS, IN THEIR JOBS WHEN THEY ARE NOT COMMITTING A CRIME BECAUSE THEY DID SOMETHING MAYBE JAYWALKING OR THEY DID SOMETHING AS A CHILD.

I SAW RECENTLY THAT SOMEONE WHO SHOPLIFTED A CANDY BAR WAS LIFT, WAS COLLECTED BECAUSE OF BEING A CRIMINAL, A DANGEROUS CRIMINAL FOR SHOPLIFTING AS A CHILD.

NOW STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS IS OVER FOR ME.

I HAD TO DO THIS WHEN I WAS 13 TO 14 YEARS OLD IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO FEED, UM, MY BROTHERS AND SISTERS.

MY FAMILY ARE NOT IMMIGRANTS.

I'M GONNA SAY THAT THEY ARE NOT IMMIGRANTS BECAUSE THEY, MY MOTHER'S BLOOD COMES FROM THIS LAND THOUSANDS OF YEARS, NOT HUNDREDS IN THE EIGHTIES.

I'M GONNA TELL YOU A VERY SHORT STORY 'CAUSE I ONLY HAVE A FEW SECONDS LEFT IN THE EIGHTIES, MY COUSIN IN THE SAME GENERATION THAT I AM, WHICH WE ARE ABOUT FOUR OR FIVE GENERATIONS IN, AND THAT'S BY YOUR WHITE LAWS SAYING THAT WE ARE FIVE GENERATIONS HERE LEGALLY WAS DEPORTED, WAS COLLECTED AND DEPORTED BECAUSE SHE SPOKE ONLY SPANISH.

MY GREAT-GRANDMOTHER REFUSED TO TEACH HER ENGLISH, WHICH SHE WAS THE ONE RAISING HER.

SHE GOT DEPORTED, GOT SENT TO MEXICO.

WE HAD TO GO TRY TO COLLECT HER AND ALL FOR THE SAME TYPE OF THING THAT YOU GUYS ARE TRYING TO CREATE.

NOW, I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY ELSE REMEMBERS THE EIGHTIES, BUT I REMEMBER HEARING AND SEEING THE FEAR WHEN PEOPLE WOULD YELL.

PEOPLE NOT WITH ANY COLOR WOULD YELL GRA AND THEY WOULD ALL RUN IN FEAR IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO RECREATE.

I SAW LOTS OF INJURIES IN THAT SENSE.

WE NEED THAT.

THANKS AGAIN, GAMBLER.

SEAN ASSISI.

IS THERE A PROBLEM IF SOMEBODY FALL? OH, OH, OKAY.

TAKE A MINUTE TO LET'S, UM, WHY THEY DO THAT.

LET'S HAVE ANOTHER SPEAKER COME UP AND SPEAK.

SEAN ASI.

EF OH, YUSEF MILLER ALREADY SPOKE.

THE SAM HAL HALBURN.

UH, AND AFTER MR. HELPER, IT WILL BE CHARLES EDWARDS.

WELCOME SIR.

IN AMERICA'S WARS, SURVIVED ITS ECONOMIC DISASTERS, VOTED IN ITS ELECTIONS, AND THE PROGENY OF THOSE FIRST INDIVIDUALS HAS PRODUCED CITIZENS WHO HAVE MADE CONTRIBUTIONS IN MANY WAYS IN AMERICAN LIFE.

GOOD EVENING, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.

MY NAME IS SAM HALPER.

MY FAMILY ARRIVED IN THIS COUNTRY IN THE 18 HUNDREDS TO ESCAPE PERSECUTION AND ENJOY THE PROMISE THAT AMERICA OFFERS.

ONE OF THE UNSPOKEN PROMISES OF OUR CONSTITUTION'S BILL OF RIGHTS IS FREEDOM FROM THE FEAR OF A UNWARRANTED PERSECUTION.

MY FOLKS HAVE FOUGHT

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WE ARE THE WEALTHIEST NATION IN THE WORLD.

A NATION BUILT BY IMMIGRANTS DESCRIBED ON THE STATUE OF LIBERTY AS HUDDLED MASSES YEARNING TO BE FREE, ONE OF OUR FREEDOMS INCLUDES FREEDOMS FROM JACK BOOTS AT THE DOOR.

WHY DO WE RUSH TO INTIMIDATE AND FRIGHTENED? PEOPLE JUST WANT TO BE PART OF THE AMERICAN DREAM.

WE NEED AN IMMIGRATION POLICY, BUT ONE THAT CAN OFFER A WAY TO THAT DREAM.

INTIMIDATION AND FEAR ARE NOT THE WAY.

CHARLES EDWARDS.

CHARLES EDWARDS , AND AFTER THAT GAMBLER.

MY NAME IS CHARLES.

I'D LIKE TO THANK THE GREAT CITY OF EL CAJON FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ON THIS ISSUE.

I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE NOT AS LIBERAL OR CONSERVATIVE, BUT AS AMERICAN AND AN OBSERVER, I CAN NEVER KNOW THE ADVERSITY THAT OUR NEIGHBORS AND FRIENDS ARE FACING AND CAN ONLY IMAGINE.

WE LIVE IN A COUNTRY THAT BUILT, THAT WAS BUILT ON IMMIGRATION, A COUNTRY THAT WAS FOUNDED ON INDEPENDENT FREEDOMS. AND I FEAR THAT THIS LAW BEYOND BEING IMMORAL, UNJUST, AND IRRATIONAL IS ANTI-AMERICAN.

I C'S, RECENT BRUTAL.

I C'S RECENT BRUTAL TACTICS ALONE ARE BAD ENOUGH.

BUT AS WE EVEN BEGIN TO CONSIDER CONTRIBUTING TO IT, WE BUILD A POLICE STATE NO BETTER THAN NAZIS WROTE THIS BEFORE, THAT ONE WOMAN SPOKE.

MOST WILL NOT SEE IT, BUT THIS IS JUST THE BEGINNING.

CONSIDER THIS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THEY COME FOR YOUR RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS. WHERE WILL YOU STAND ON THIS ISSUE IF WE WERE TO BAN FIREARMS AND THE, AND THE POLICE BEGIN TO START HARASSING YOU THE SAME WAY YOU WOULD BE ALLOWING THEM TO HARASS AND QUESTIONS OUR NEIGHBORS, FRIENDS AND FAMILY.

IF YOU THINK THIS CAN'T BE A REALITY, YOU HAVE LEARNED NOTHING FROM HISTORY.

THE HARASSMENT, OUR FRIENDS, OUR NEIGHBORS, FRIENDS AND FAMILY IS FACING MS. HALT.

SO I IMPLORE YOU DO NOT WAGE THIS WAR ON OUR BROTHERS AND SISTERS, WHETHER THIS COUNTRY REGARDS THEM AS THAT OR NOT.

HOW YOU GUYS DOING TODAY? GAMBLER HERE? OH, I HAVE SO MANY THINGS I WANT TO SAY TO YOU, BILL, BUT I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND TALK ABOUT IMMIGRATION.

I GUESS DOES IT, WHY DO YOU GUYS HAVE LIKE MEXICAN FLAGS RIGHT ON YOUR THING? I THOUGHT WERE UNITED STATES, BUT THOSE THAT, WHAT ARE THOSE? I HAVE NO IDEA.

YOU GUYS SAID 19TH? NO, THE 19TH.

I DON'T CARE.

HEY BILL, I'M JUST WASTING YOUR TIME.

UM, WHY DID YOU GUYS NOT GO AHEAD AND GET UPDATED INFORMATION AFTER 20, UH, THE 20TH? WHY DID YOU GO AHEAD AND GET THE INFORMATION FROM KAMALA'S, UH, FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WHEN YOU'RE GOING, GOING AHEAD AND TALKING ABOUT THIS BECAUSE EVERYTHING CHANGED RIGHT AFTER 2019, UH, RIGHT AFTER THE 19TH DONALD TRUMP BECAME PRESIDENT AND WE HAVE NEW POLICIES.

WHY DIDN'T YOU FIND OUT THE NEW POLICIES INSTEAD OF JUDGING BASED OFF OF THE OLD ONES? CURIOSITY.

UNLESS IF YOU'RE TRYING TO CREATE A FALSE NARRATIVE, I THINK THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU ARE DOING, BILL, ISN'T IT? BECAUSE OR ELSE I WOULD'VE GOTTEN IN NEW INFORMATION FROM THE CURRENT PRESIDENT, NOT THE OLD PRESIDENT WHEN YOU'RE ADDRESSING THIS ISSUE BECAUSE THE CURRENT PRESIDENT IS GOING TO HANDLE IT, NOT THE OLD ADMINISTRATION, WHICH YOU GUYS ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT THEIR ISSUES.

SO MY QUESTION IS, WHY DIDN'T YOU WAIT UNTIL AFTER DONALD TRUMP NEW POLICIES, TALK TO THOSE PEOPLE WHEN YOU'RE GETTING THESE QUESTIONS.

IS IT BECAUSE THAT YOU WANNA SOW DIVISION? IT REALLY DOES SOUND LIKE THAT'S WHAT YOUR WHOLE MOTIVATION IS.

THAT'S WHY YOU DIDN'T CHECK WITH DONALD TRUMP'S CAMPAIGN.

YOU JUST CHECKED WITH KAMALA HARRIS' AND THEN YOU SCARED ALL THESE WONDERFUL PEOPLE JUST SO TO GET SOME CLOUT, RIGHT? AM I JUST ABOUT GETTING THAT CORRECT BECAUSE

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DONALD TRUMP WAS NOT PRESIDENT OF THE 19TH.

1.5 MILLION PEOPLE ASKED TO GO HOME WAS NOT CAUSED BY DONALD TRUMP.

THAT WAS KAMALA HARRIS.

SO YOU GUYS HAD ISSUES WITH KAMALA HARRIS'S ISSUE PROBLEMS? SURE.

YOU'RE SO SHUT THE F**K UP.

WHO'S THE NEXT SPEAKER? MAYOR WILLS, BEFORE I CALL THE FIVE LAST SPEAKER CARDS, UH, WE HAVE, UH, TWO CAR, TWO PEOPLE WHO SUBMITTED A CARD IN SUPPORT OF THE PROPOSED RESOLUTION, BUT THEY DON'T WISH TO SPEAK.

AND THAT'S KRISTEN BROKER.

AND DANNY O'BRIEN.

UM, I I I'M GONNA PUT A AND TO ANY MORE SPEAKER CARD.

SO THIS WILL BE OUR LAST FIVE.

WE ONLY HAVE FIVE MORE THAT THIS.

THIS WILL BE THE END.

STUNT AND NO AMOUNT OF EDITS OR AMENDMENTS OR WHATEVER THE TEXT OF THE RESOLUTION SAYS, THIS IS A PRO-TRUMP POLITICAL STUNT.

I HAVE MARGARITA JAMES, UM, BENLEY SAL MENTO.

SAL MENTO.

ARE YOU MAR MARGARITA? YEAH.

PLEASE COME UP.

GOOD EVENING TO THE MAYOR AND ALL THE MEMBERS OF COUNCIL.

MY NAME IS MARINA BRANDHAM.

I'M A NATURALIZED IMMIGRANT AND BUSINESS OWNER.

TODAY MY BUSINESS HOLDS A FEDERAL GOVERNMENT CONTRACT WITH ICE.

SO I'M ACTUALLY PRETTY WELL AWARE OF THE CURRENT SITUATION, OUR IMMIGRATION, OUR IMMIGRANTS ARE FACING TODAY.

I STAND HERE TODAY TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE THAT GOES BEYOND POLICY.

I WOULD ACTUALLY LIKE TO SPEAK ON THE RISK OF ACTING PREMATURELY WITHOUT PROPER SYSTEMS IN PLACE, OUR CITY MUST NOT TAKE SHORTCUTS OR ACT HASTILY ON AN ISSUE WITH SUCH FAR REACHING IMPLICATIONS WITHOUT A FAIR AND ACCURATE SYSTEM TO DISTINGUISH BETWEEN THOSE WHO POSE REAL THREATS TO THE PUBLIC SAFETY AND THOSE WHO ARE SIMPLY PART OF THE COMMUNITY.

ANY POLICY INVOLVING LOCAL POLICE AND IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT WILL LEAD TO DISCRIMINATION.

IT WILL LEAD TO RACIAL PROFILING AND THE EROSION OF TRUST BETWEEN THE RESIDENTS AND THOSE THAT ARE ENFORCING THE LAW.

WE STAND HERE TODAY TO ADVOCATE FOR A RESPONSIBLE SOLUTION.

SANCTUARY CITIES ARE NOT ABOUT PROTECTING CRIMINALS.

THEY ARE ABOUT PROTECTING COMMUNITIES.

THEY ENSURE THAT LAW ENFORCEMENT RESOURCES ARE FOCUSED ON ADDRESSING ACTUAL CRIMES, NOT ENFORCING FEDERAL LAWS.

IF WE ARE TO CONSIDER CHANGES, IT MUST BE WITH A CAREFULLY, AND I MEAN CAREFULLY DESIGN SYSTEM THAT PROTECTS PUBLIC SAFETY WITHOUT UNDERMINING THE RIGHTS AND TRUST OF THE PEOPLE.

NOW, THIS HAPPENED TODAY, OKAY? THE SECRETARY OF PRESS, IF WE MISSED IT, 'CAUSE IT HAPPENED TODAY, SHE WAS VERY CLEAR ABOUT WHAT THIS ADMINISTRATION MEANS.

YOU ARE A CRIMINAL JUST SIMPLY BASED ON THE FACT THAT YOU ARE HERE ILLEGALLY.

OKAY, LET'S GET THAT CLEAR.

SHE SPOKE THAT GO HOME AND EVERYBODY WATCH THAT TODAY.

OKAY? SO I JUST URGE YOU TODAY TO TO, TO LISTEN TO WHAT WE CAME HERE TO SAY.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

I REALLY DO THANK YOU.

AND MAY YOUR FUTURE GIVE YOU WHAT YOU DESERVE.

HEY EVERYBODY, I'LL, UH, MAKE IT QUICK.

SO QUICK LOOK BACK.

QUICK LOOK BACK.

IN 2017, THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION AT 1.0 AT THE TIME, TRIED TO DO THIS EXACT SAME THING THAT THEY'RE DOING HERE IN 2017.

BUT IT WASN'T HUNTINGTON BEACH AND EL CAJON, IT WAS HUNTINGTON BEACH AND LOS ALAMITOS, THE SAME EXACT THING THEY DID LAST TIME.

BUT THEN IT WAS IN MR. BELL WELLS.

IT WAS A GUY NAMED TROY, UH, WAS HIS NAME TROY EDGAR.

HE WAS THE MAYOR OF LOS ALAMITOS.

WHAT HAPPENED THERE? THE CITY GOT SUED AND A BUNCH OF THE FOLKS ON THE CITY COUNCIL, INCLUDING THE MAYOR, ENDED UP LOSING THEIR SEATS, IS WHAT HAPPENED.

THE MAYOR THOUGH, ACTUALLY WAS APPOINTED BY TRUMP TO BECOME THE DHS FINANCIAL OFFICER.

UM, TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF THE REASON FOR THIS POSITIVE, LOOK IT UP.

TROY EDGARS, IF YOU REMEMBER WHAT HAPPENED IN 2018 WAS THAT THERE WAS ZERO REPUBLICANS VOTED FOR CONGRESS IN THIS, IN THE COUNTY OF ORANGE, RIGHT? THAT WAS A RESULT.

AND THERE WAS AN ARTICLE THAT CAME OUT THAT SAID, TRUMP'S AND SANCTUARY STRATEGY IN ORANGE COUNTY IS A LOSER.

THIS IS ALSO GONNA BE A LOSER FOR SAN DIEGO.

AND MARK MY WORDS.

AND SO WITH ALL DUE RESPECT TO THE MAYOR, THIS IS A POLITICAL

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THE FOLKS THAT ARE HERE FROM OUTSIDE OF EL CAJON AND OUTSIDE OF SAN DIEGO NOTICE.

AND IT'S, IT'S UNFORTUNATE.

IT'S SAD BECAUSE I DO THINK ON SOME LEVEL YOUR HEART'S, GOD KNOWS.

I WANNA SAY THAT.

I WANNA BELIEVE YOUR HEART'S IN THE RIGHT PLACE.

BUT, UM, SO LOOKING BACK, THIS IS THE SAME THING HAPPENING IN LOS ALAMITOS.

IT'S NOT GONNA END WELL FOR EL CAJON.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR PLANS ARE, MR. MAYOR, BUT IF YOU REALLY CARE ABOUT THE CITY, YOU KNOW THE PEOPLE, LET'S MAKE THE RIGHT CHOICE.

LOOKING FORWARD, LOOKING FORWARD, THE DIVISIVENESS, THE HATEFUL, THE OFFENSIVE STUFF THAT'S SAID TONIGHT.

YOU DON'T WANT THIS IN YOUR CITY.

AND EVEN TO THE MAYOR, I KNOW THE MAYOR HAS CON YOU KNOW, LIKE WHATEVER BILL HOLMAN MIGHT HAVE TOLD YOU, LIKE, YOU DON'T WANT THIS FOR YOUR CITY.

LIKE, AND YOU DON'T WANT THIS DIVISIVENESS, YOU KNOW, LIKE EL CAJON IS A, CAN BE A BEAUTIFUL PLACE.

IT IS A BEAUTIFUL PLACE TO RAISE A FAMILY.

THIS, YOU, YOU WANT THIS TO BE THE NORM MOVING FORWARD.

YOU DON'T WANT THIS.

AND I KNOW THE CITY COUNCIL DOESN'T WANT THIS.

THANKS SIR.

APPRECIATE IT.

THE LAST TWO SPEAKERS, THE LAST TWO SPEAKERS, S UTI AND TONY SOLE.

MY NAME IS LAURA UTI AND I'VE NEVER BEEN IN ANY COUNCIL MEETING.

I'VE NEVER SPOKEN PUBLICLY, BUT JUST HEARING ALL THE HATE, THE MISS, THE MISREPRESENTATION, THE, JUST THE CONFUSION THAT IS WITHIN THIS BILL AND WITHIN MY COMMITTEE, I FELT COMPELLED TO SPEAK TODAY.

UM, MY PARENTS ARE IMMIGRANTS.

IT DOESN'T MATTER IF THEY CAME HERE ILLEGALLY OR ILLEGALLY.

NOT ALL OF THEM ARE FORTUNATE TO COME HERE.

THEIR LEGAL WAY.

AS A LOT OF YOU LIKE TO MENTION, A LOT OF PEOPLE COME HERE THAT ARE POOR, UNEDUCATED, AND WANT SOMETHING BETTER FOR THIS COMMUNITY, FOR THEIR KIDS, WHICH I BELIEVE A LOT OF YOUR PARENTS, IF THEY ARE HERE, AMERICANS, FOR ALL THEIR LIVES, THEY PROBABLY MOVED FROM STATE TO STATE.

WHY? BECAUSE THEY'RE TRYING TO LOOK FOR A BETTER PLACE, TO HAVE BETTER OPPORTUNITIES FOR YOU GUYS, FOR YOUR CHILDREN, BECAUSE THEY LOVE YOU.

SAME THING THAT IS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW WITH MY COMMUNITY, WITH MY PEOPLE FROM THE SOUTHERN BORDER, FROM MY, THE MIDDLE EAST, FROM AFRICA, FROM CHINA.

THEY COME TO THIS COUNTRY BECAUSE THEY WANT SOMETHING BETTER, BETTER FOR THEMSELVES, BETTER FOR THEIR FAMILY, BETTER FOR THEIR KIDS.

WHO DOESN'T WANNA FIGHT FOR THE BEST, FOR THEIR CHILDREN, FOR THEIR FAMILY.

NOW YOU TELL ME, MR. BILL WELLS, TELL ME WHEN YOU LOOK AT ME, WHEN YOU SEE A BROWN WOMAN.

SO WHEN I TELL YOU THIS, THIS BILL, THIS, THIS THING THAT YOU WANNA PASS, IT SAYS YOU WANNA PROTECT YOUR COMMUNITY.

IT'S NOT HERE TO PROTECT US.

IT'S HERE TO CREATE FEAR.

FEAR AMONGST US SO THAT WE CAN FIGHT EACH OTHER TO SAY, OH, I'M A CHRISTIAN.

OR, I LOVE, I WANNA BE FEELING, UM, THAT I'M SECURE HERE, BUT IT'S NOT MAKING US FEEL SECURE.

I DON'T FEEL SECURE.

ME AS A BROWN WOMAN, MY BROWN COMMUNITY THAT SPEAKS SPANISH, THAT HAVE AN ACCENT LIKE MYSELF, THEY'RE NOT GONNA FEEL SAFE HERE.

AND I'M ASKING YOU TO REJECT THIS, TO VOTE FOR YOUR CONSCIOUS, FOR VOTE FOR YOUR COMMUNITY.

BECAUSE IF I WAS A WHITE LATINA, A WHITE WOMAN, A WHITE COLOR WOMAN, I WOULDN'T HAVE THIS FEAR.

BUT I, I DO HAVE IT.

I HAVE IT.

AND I WANT MY COMMUNITY TO FEEL SAFE.

I'M ASKING YOU, BECAUSE WE ARE THE PEOPLE, WE ELECTED YOU FOR THIS JOB.

YOU NEED TO PROTECT US INSTEAD OF BRINGING FEAR TO A COMMUNITY.

THANK YOU, MAYOR.

MAYOR.

YOU, UH, SAID YOU WOULD ONLY ALLOW THE FIVE MORE SPEAKERS.

THERE'S TWO PEOPLE THAT WE CALL THAT WERE NOT IN THE CHAMBER.

THANK YOU, MR. UM, TONY SOLE.

THE BORDER WOULD BE SECURED AND THE BORDER WAS NEVER SECURED.

HOW ARE YOU? UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S TIME THAT WE DRAW THE LINE IN THE SAND.

I AM AN IMMIGRANT.

I WAS NOT BORN IN THIS COUNTRY, BUT MY PARENTS CAME HERE LEGALLY, MANY, MANY YEARS AGO.

AND I KNOW WHAT IT IS TO WAIT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BORDER.

FOR SEVEN YEARS, MY PARENTS WAITED.

AND THIS COUNTRY WAS BASED ON THE RULE OF LAW.

AND EVEN THOUGH THE ADMINISTRATION, PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION DID NOT WANNA FOLLOW THE RULE OF LAW, THE RULE OF LAW STILL STANDS.

I REMEMBER PRESIDENT REAGAN GAVE AMNESTY TO MILLIONS OF, UH, ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS WITH THE, UH, PROMISE THAT

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WHY? BECAUSE IF WE DON'T STAND FOR SOMETHING, THE LAW WILL BE BROKEN OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

THE LAW HAS TO HAVE A BITE TO IT.

IF IT DOESN'T HAVE A BITE TO IT, IT IS NO LAW WHATSOEVER.

PLEASE DON'T INTERRUPT.

I WANT THE STATE.

ONE MORE THING.

THERE'S SUCH THINGS AS AN UNLAWFUL LAW.

FOR EXAMPLE, DURING THE NUREMBERG TRIALS, THAT'S WHAT THE CONTENTION OF THE TRIAL WAS, THAT THE LAWS OF HITLER WERE NOT LEGAL.

BECAUSE IF THEY WERE LEGAL, THEN DACHAU WOULD'VE BEEN THE EPITOME OF CIVILITY.

SO THEREFORE, WE NEED TO FOLLOW THE RULE LAW, AND WE NEED TO ESTABLISH WHAT IS RIGHT AND WHAT IS WRONG.

THE CITY OF EL CAJON DOES NOT DETERMINE THE IMMIGRATION LAWS THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT DOES, BUT THE CITY POLICE NEED TO BE NOTIFIED HOW THEY ARE REACT TO ICE.

WHETHER THEY FIGHT WITH ICE OR WHETHER THEY GO ALONG WITH ICE, WHATEVER THEIR, THE RULE IS.

BECAUSE IF THEY GET TWO PHONE CALLS, ONE FROM ICE AND ONE FROM, UH, THE, UH, FROM FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, WHO ARE THEY GONNA FOLLOW? SO THE RULE OF LAW SHOULD BE STANDING HERE IN EL CAJON, AND THE PEOPLE NEED BE TO, UH, DEFEND IT AS THE LAW STATES.

THE LAST TWO SPEAKERS, BOB COLLINS AND JAMES BENKE.

I, HELLO GUYS.

I KNOW Y'ALL FROM THE HOMELESS OUTREACH, THE FIVE OR SIX MEETINGS THAT WE WENT TO.

AND I KNOW THAT YOU LOVE EL CAJON.

YOU LOVE THE LORD.

SO I'M NOT GONNA REALLY GET INTO THE, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE ISSUES ARE BEFORE YOU.

I JUST ASK THAT YOU TAKE A LOOK AT YOUR CONSCIENCE.

WHAT WOULD THE LORD HAVE YOU DO? THERE'S TWO THINGS THAT COME HOME TO ME.

LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD, THAT YOUR HEALTH HOLDS SOUL, HEART, AND MIND, AND LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.

THOSE ARE THE TWO THINGS THAT HE'S GONNA LOOK TO AS WE GRADUATE.

AND I'LL PROBABLY BE DOING 'EM MUCH SOONER THAN A LOT OF YOU FOLKS.

HE'S GONNA ASK US.

'CAUSE YOU LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR.

NOW, I KNOW YOU'VE GOT A DIFFICULT JOB HERE, AND THIS WAS BEFORE YOU, I GUESS, A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO.

AND I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU WEREN'T REALLY, UH, QUITE SETTLED ON WHAT IT WAS THAT YOU'RE GONNA BE DOING.

WELL, I'M HERE TO PRAY FOR YOU.

I'M HERE TO PRAY THAT YOU ASK GOD WHAT IS HIS WILL AND WHAT THE HUMAN WILL IS.

WHAT'S THE LORD'S WILL HERE.

YOU KNOW, I'D HATE TO SEE THIS COMMUNITY DIVIDED.

I LOVE THIS PLACE.

I'VE BEEN HERE OVER 40 YEARS.

I'VE SEEN I'VE SEEN YOU FOLKS, A COUPLE OF YOU GO THROUGH HOMELESSNESS.

GARY, YOU MAKE YOUR HOUSE AVAILABLE TO HOMELESS.

STEVE.

YOU, UH, GOT BEHIND THE TINY HOMES, SO NO, YOU, YOU LOVE THIS PLACE.

I JUST WOULD HATE TO SEE THIS PLACE DIVIDED.

AND THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING HERE.

SO VOTE YOUR CONSCIOUSNESS, PLEASE, NOT POLITICAL EXPEDIENCY.

I HOPE YOUR FOOT'S OKAY.

BOY, I DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO ASK ABOUT YOUR FOOT CONDITION LAST TIME WE WERE TOGETHER.

YOUR FOOT WAS BOTHERING YOU.

OH, IT'S MY, MY KNEE.

DO YOU REMEMBER THAT? OKAY.

I, I DON'T, I'M SORRY.

JAMES BENKE.

ADDIE, MY NAME IS JAMES.

AND, UH, THAT IS ALL YOU NEED TO KNOW.

UH, SO FOR THE PAST EIGHT YEARS, THE REPUBLICAN PARTY HAS BEEN NOTHING SHORT OF CHILDISH PETTY AND HAS DONE NOTHING BUT SPEW HATEFUL RHETORIC ABOUT MARGINALIZED GROUPS FURTHER DIVIDING THIS COUNTRY.

I'D LIKE TO ASK ABOUT THE STORIES OF HARDWORKING UNDOCUMENTED MIGRANTS WHO HAVE KIDS WORK JOBS AND BLEED THE SAME AS YOU OR I.

BUT THERE ARE NONE BECAUSE THE STORIES OF MURDER, RAPE, SEX TRAFFICKING ARE ALL SCAPEGOATS USED TO BLAME PROBLEMS THAT ARE ALREADY HERE IN THIS COUNTRY ON A MARGINALIZED GROUP THAT IF THEY WEREN'T HERE, SOMEHOW THINGS WOULD BE BETTER.

BUT THAT'S NOT THE CASE.

CRIME WILL ALWAYS BE APPARENT BECAUSE IT'S NOT AN IMMIGRATION

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PROBLEM.

IT'S A LIFE PROBLEM.

THE BEST THING WE CAN DO MOVING FORWARD IS FOLLOW OUR OWN LOGIC OF INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY AND FIGHT BACK FROM HATEFUL POLICIES THAT DISPROPORTIONATELY AFFECT AND TARGET MARGINALIZED GROUPS.

ON HIS OWN, WHO WAS ARRESTED THIS PAST WEEKEND DOWN BY MOISON AVENUE DOWN THE STREET FROM MY HOUSE.

WELL, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, CONGRATULATIONS ON MAKING IT THROUGH THE, BY FAR, THE MOST CONTENTIOUS, UH, CITY COUNCIL MEETING THAT I'VE EVER BEEN IN MY, MY TIMES HERE SINCE 2008.

UM, WE'RE AT THE POINT NOW WHERE WE'RE GOING TO TAKE IT BACK TO THE COUNCIL AND THE COUNCIL'S GONNA VOTE ON THIS.

I WOULD ASK FOR YOU TO NOT CA CALL OUT.

PEOPLE ARE GONNA TALK BACK AND FORTH.

THERE MAY BE SOME ARGUMENT, CERTAINLY SOME DISAGREEMENT HERE, BUT WE'VE LISTENED TO YOU.

LET US HAVE OUR CONVERSATION, WE'LL VOTE, AND THEN THE MEETING WILL BE OVER.

SO, COUNSEL, WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO DISCUSS ANYTHING? MICHELLE, FEEL FREE.

FIRST OF ALL, I WANNA THANK EVERYBODY FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT.

UM, THIS HAS WEIGHED VERY HEAVILY ON ME AND, UM, SO I'M GONNA TAKE SOME TIME.

UH, THE FIRST THING I WANNA SAY THAT I, UH, THIS WAS GOING TO BE FRESH IN OUR MIND.

UM, I WANNA TALK ABOUT THE THOUGHT EXERCISE THAT THE YOUNG MAN BROUGHT UP.

THE THOUGHT EXERCISE WAS INTERESTING.

AND HE SAID, YOU KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT IF THERE WAS EXACTLY WHAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN.

UH, I DON'T THINK WE WOULD BE HAVING THIS MEETING.

AND WHEN HE TALKED ABOUT, UM, WHAT WAS IT, THE THOUGHT EXERCISE ABOUT, UH, SV 54 AND THE CRIMINALS, IF IT WAS JUST ABOUT CRIMINALS, WE WOULD ALL SAY, YEAH, THAT WAS IT.

SO KEEP THAT IN MIND.

IF IT WAS JUST ABOUT VIOLENT CRIMINALS, WE WOULD ALL BE FOR IT, CORRECT? YES.

OKAY, SO WE'RE IN AGREEMENT ABOUT THAT.

SO LET ME GO BACK TO WHAT I ACTUALLY WROTE TODAY.

UH, SITTING AT HOME, UH, FREEZING MY BUTT OFF BECAUSE IT'S COLD IN MY HOUSE.

TODAY IS A PIVOTAL MOMENT IN EL CAJON FOR ME AND EVERY MEMBER ON THIS COUNCIL.

A MOMENT THAT WILL CHANGE FOR THE, WILL CHANGE THE COURSE OF THE CITY AND ITS RESIDENTS.

TWO WEEKS AGO, OUR MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBER ORTIZ BROUGHT UP A RESOLUTION, WANTING A CLARIFICATION FROM THE STATE.

BUT WE HAD ALREADY SENT THE LETTER TO ATTORNEY GENERAL ROB BONTA.

FOR THAT CLARIFICATION, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC SPOKE OUT AGAINST THIS RESOLUTION.

I QUESTIONED EVEN HAVING A RESOLUTION AND THE COUNCIL AGREED TO TABLE AND HAVE A REWRITE UNTIL TODAY.

SINCE THEN, I HAVE MET WITH SEVERAL MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, RECEIVED NEARLY A HUNDRED EMAILS, AND I THINK IT'S BEEN MORE THAN THAT NOW.

EMAILS, VOICEMAILS, AND TEXT IN SUPPORT FOR AND AGAINST THIS RESOLUTION.

I HAVE SEEN MULTIPLE NEWS REPORTS ABOUT EL CAJON AND SOCIAL MEDIA POSTS.

THE HATRED AND VITRIOL I HAVE SEEN FROM SOME PEOPLE IS ALARMING ILLEGALS AND, AND ILLEGAL CRIMINALS IN THE SAME SENTENCE IS ABHORRENT.

AND I'VE HEARD IT FROM THIS GROUP TONIGHT, USING ILLEGALS AND ILLEGAL CRIMINALS COMING FROM THE MOUTHS OF PEOPLE, SICKENS ME, BECAUSE THAT SHOULD NOT BE SAID IN THE SAME SENTENCE.

THIS IS WHAT THIS RESOLUTION PROPOSAL HAS BROUGHT TO EL CAJON.

SOME PEOPLE ARE SO WORRIED ABOUT PUBLIC SAFETY THAT THEY WANT TO TAKE OUR EL CAJON POLICE OFFICERS TO AID IMMIGRATION OFFICERS.

AND THIS IS WHAT I HAVE TAKEN FROM THIS RESOLUTION.

NOW, I MAY BE MISUNDERSTANDING WHAT WAS BROUGHT BEFORE US, BUT THIS IS MY OPINION, MY UNDERSTANDING, AND IF I HAVE MISUNDERSTOOD IT, MEA CULPA.

BUT IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT WE WANNA TAKE OUR OFFICERS TO AID IMMIGRATION OFFICERS IN THE NAME OF PUBLIC SAFETY, TO APPREHEND ILLEGAL CRIMINALS.

WHEN I BELIEVE IN EL CAJON, OUR BIGGEST PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUE IS THE CRIMINAL ELEMENT IN THE HOMELESS COMMUNITY.

YES, THE DRUG ADDICTS, CRIMINALS TRYING TO GAIN ENTRY INTO PEOPLE'S HOMES.

THAT IS OUR BIGGEST PROBLEM IN THIS COMMUNITY.

THAT IS MORE OF A PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUE THAN THE ILLEGAL SINGLE FATHER RAISING HIS FIVE-YEAR-OLD DAUGHTER

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THEY WENT TO HIS HOUSE, ASKED THE LADY THAT HE LIVES WITH, ARE YOU AN ILLEGAL? SHE DIDN'T KNOW HIS RIGHTS.

DIDN'T KNOW HER RIGHTS.

SHE SAID YES.

THEY WENT IN AND TOOK HIM OUT IN FRONT OF HIS FIVE-YEAR-OLD DAUGHTER.

IMAGINE ALL OF US HAVE CHILDREN.

IMAGINE THAT TRAUMA OF HER FATHER BEING TAKEN AWAY BECAUSE HE WAS AN ILLEGAL.

BUT HE WORKS A FULL-TIME JOB, LIVES IN AN APARTMENT AND HAD A COURT DATE TO BECOME LEGAL.

IMAGINE AGAIN, THE TRAUMA.

HIS LITTLE GIRL WENT THROUGH WATCHING THIS.

NOW, I KNOW THAT MY CHILDREN AND MY GRANDCHILDREN WOULD BE HORRIFIED IF THEY HAD TO WATCH THIS.

HIS ONLY CRIME WAS COMING OVER THE BORDER.

HE HAD NOT COMMITTED A CRIME, BUT BECAUSE HE'S A LOW HANGING FRUIT, HE WAS ARRESTED BECAUSE HE AND OTHERS ARE EASY TO FIND AND ARREST.

AND SO THE NUMBERS GO UP FAST, RIGHT? BUT OTHER THAN CROSSING THE BORDER, WHAT CRIME DID HE COMMIT? HAVE THEY EVEN TRIED TO GO AFTER THE THOUSANDS OF CHINESE NATIONALS THAT COME THROUGH? HA CUMBA, I'VE BEEN OUT THERE, I'VE BEEN OUT THERE WITH YOU.

I'VE BEEN OUT TO HA CUMBA.

I HAVE TOUCHED THAT FENCE.

I WAS, I WAS SHOCKED THE FIRST TIME I WENT OUT THERE AND TOUCHED THE FENCE AND SEEN THE DOCUMENTATION FROM THE CHINESE, UH, IMMIGRANTS THAT HAVE COME OVER THE BRAZILIAN, UH, CREDIT CARDS FOLDED UP.

WHY ARE WE NOT GOING AFTER THOSE PEOPLE? THE MILITARY AGED MEN COMING OVER FROM CHINA? WHY ARE WE NOT GOING AFTER THEM? THAT TAKES MORE WORK.

AND TOM HOLMAN NEEDS TO LOOK GOOD TO TRUMP FAST.

WHAT HAPPENED TO LAKE AND RILEY AND OTHERS IS TRAGIC.

IT IS ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTING WHAT HAPPENED TO THOSE WOMEN? ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTING.

PLEASE DON INTERRUPT.

DO NOT INTERRUPT ME AGAIN.

EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE THAT WERE KILLED BY THOSE CRIMINALS NEEDS TO BE TAKEN OUT.

BUT THAT MAN THAT WAS ARRESTED THIS PAST WEEKEND, HE IS NOT ON THE SAME LEVEL.

DO NOT CONFUSE THOSE TWO.

AND I MEAN IT.

YOU AH, DO NOT CONFUSE THOSE TWO.

AND, AND, AND LIKE, UH, AMY RIKER SAID, THIS COULD BE A POLITICAL THING.

AND THIS IS THE END OF MY POLITICAL REAR.

I DON'T CARE.

I DON'T CARE BECAUSE I STAND UP FOR THE PEOPLE HERE.

ONCE YOU HAVE REMOVED THOSE CRIMINALS THAT HAVE MURDERED AND RAPED AND GUTTED THOSE PEOPLE, THOSE CRIMINALS, THEN THOSE TRUE THREATS TO THE PUBLIC SAFETY, THEN YOU CAN HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT THE FARM WORKERS, THE LANDSCAPERS, THE HOUSEKEEPERS, MY NEIGHBORS, THEY'RE ALL LEGAL, BY THE WAY, ARE HISPANIC.

THEY OWN THEIR OWN LANDSCAPING BUILDING.

I KNOW THAT'S STEREOTYPICAL, BUT THEY OWN THEIR OWN LANDSCAPING BUSINESS.

I SPOKE TO THE DAUGHTER-IN-LAW THIS MORNING.

SHE TOLD ME THAT WHEN SHE DROPPED HER THREE DAUGHTERS OFF, AND THEY'RE EXPECTING THEIR FOURTH THIS THIS FEW MONTHS, HER DAUGHTERS ARE SCARED TO GO TO SCHOOL.

AND THERE WERE NO CHILDREN AND NO PARENTS OUTSIDE.

I GUESS THERE WERE ALL INSIDE.

'CAUSE THEY ARE ALL AFRAID.

AND ANOTHER WOMAN I VOLUNTEER WITH, HER HUSBAND IS BRAZILIAN.

HE HAS A GREEN CARD AND DOES HE HAVE TO WORRY AND START CARRYING HIS PAPERS? THESE ARE ALL A FEW EXAMPLES OF HOW RESIDENTS ARE BEING

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IMPACTED.

AND WE NEED TO LET OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT DO THEIR JOB.

IMMIGRANT IMMIGRATION NEEDS TO DO THEIR JOB.

ICE NEEDS TO DO THEIR JOB.

WE DON'T NEED TO BE A SANCTUARY CITY.

I'M NOT SAYING THAT WE DIDN'T NEED TO SAY ANYTHING AT ALL.

I SAID THIS LAST TIME, WE DON'T NEED TO HAVE A RESOLUTION.

WE HAVE ALREADY BEEN ON THE STATE'S RADAR FOR HOMELESSNESS, AND I WAS READY FOR THAT.

BUT THIS CROSSES THE LINE.

AND IF YOU CAN TELL, I'M A LITTLE BIT PASSIONATE AND I WILL NOT BE A PART OF IT.

THIS MAKES US LOOK LIKE RACIST.

I WANT NO PART OF IT.

AND IF OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT COME ACROSS THESE BAD CHARACTERS, I'M PRETTY SURE THEY WILL HANDLE IT.

AND THEY WILL CONTACT US.

THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THOSE CRIMINALS AND THE PEOPLE JUST LIVING THEIR LIFE.

AND IF YOU PEOPLE WANNA VOTE ME OUT NEXT TIME WE'LL HAVE AT IT, BECAUSE I'M NOT RUNNING IN FOUR MORE YEARS, I'M DONE.

BUT I WILL TELL YOU THIS RIGHT NOW.

I REPRESENT EVERYBODY, THANK YOU.

AND I SPEAK MY MIND AND I DO NOT BOW DOWN TO ANYBODY.

AND THIS IS EL CAJON AND ANYBODY WANTS TO COME AND TELL ME THAT THE MAN WHO IS WORKING HIS JOB AND HIS ONLY CRIME IS CROSSING THE BORDER IS A CRIMINAL.

YOU ARE WRONG.

IT'S BEEN A ALL RIGHT.

UM, I'M GONNA ASK ERIC KENNER TO SPEAK.

WELL, I'M GONNA GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF MY HISTORY.

UH, MY MOM WAS BORN IN CZECHOSLOVAKIA.

AND IN 1919 AND 1939, HER, THE, THE NAZIS INVADED CZECHOSLOVAKIA AKIA.

AND HER BEST FRIEND, WHO SHE KNEW SINCE FIRST GRADE WAS SAYING TO HER, WHY ARE THEY DOING THIS TO US? WHAT DO WE DO TO THEM? AND THEY HAD TO WEAR THE YELLOW STARVE, DAVID.

AND, UH, A FEW MONTHS LATER, SHE WENT TO SEE HER AT HER HOUSE.

AND BACK THEN THEY HAD, YOU KNOW, THROW RUGS.

THEY DIDN'T HAVE WALL TO WALL CARPETING.

AND SHE CAME TO HER FRIEND'S HOUSE, SAME CARPET.

THEY'RE DIFFERENT PEOPLE, AND YOU KNEW NOT TO ASK.

AND THEN HER, UH, SHE WAS SECRETARY, THE OWNER OF A BIG CARPET COMPANY.

AND THE GESTAPO CAME THERE, DRUG HIM OUT.

HE WAS JEWISH, HAD TO WEAR A STAR.

AND THEY MADE HIM, CAME BACK A COUPLE DAYS LATER, A LITTLE WORSE FOR WEAR.

AND HE SAID, THEY MADE ME WASH CARS.

AND ABOUT TWO WEEKS LATER, THE GESTAPO CAME IN AND TOOK HIM AWAY AND THEY NEVER SAW HIM AGAIN.

THEN WHEN I WAS, UH, ABOUT 12 YEARS OLD, MY GRANDFATHER TOOK ME OVER TO THE DOUT CONCENTRATION CAMP, PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT TOO YOUNG TO, TO SEE WHAT WAS THERE.

AND THEY HAD PICTURES O OF THE GAS CHAMBERS AND THE BODIES.

AND THEN THEY, THE DOCENTS SAID, LOOK AT THE CEILING.

IT WAS CONCRETE.

AND THERE WERE SCRATCH MARKS IN THE CEILINGS WHERE THE PEOPLE CREATED A PYRAMID AND SCRATCHED FOR AIR AT THE, ON THE CEILING.

THEY WERE STILL THERE.

SO THEN ABOUT TWO YEARS LATER, AND THAT'S ABOUT 13 OR 14, WE WERE COMING BACK FROM MEXICO.

AND MY MOM HAD MARRIED AN AMERICAN SOLDIER, YOU KNOW, LUCKY FOR ME.

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YOU KNOW, SHE GOT OUT OF, UH, EUROPE WHERE EVERYBODY WAS STARVING.

AND WE WERE COMING BACK, WE'RE GOING THROUGH A BORDER CHECKPOINT.

WE'D DRIVEN ALL THE WAY DOWN TO MEXICO CITY THROUGH THE JUNGLES AND EVERYTHING.

HAD A WONDERFUL TIME.

AND ON THE WAY BACK, MY MOM WAS WEARING A SLEEVELESS, UH, BLOUSE.

AND SHE HAD THE EUROPEAN SMALLPOX VACCINE WHERE IT GIVES YOU A SCAR ABOUT THE SIZE OF A DIME.

AND THE, THE, UH, US BORDER PATROL PERSON SAID, UH OH, WHERE WERE YOU FROM? WHERE? AND SHE GOES, WELL, YOU KNOW, WE LIVE IN SANTEE IN CALIFORNIA.

HE SAYS, WELL, WHERE WERE YOU BORN? SHE GOES, WELL, BRUNO CZECHOSLOVAKIA.

HE GOES, DO YOU HAVE YOUR PASSPORT? AND SHE SAYS, NO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T CARRY MY PASSPORT.

'CAUSE WE USED TO GO TO MEXICO ALL THE TIME AND BUY BREAD AND PAPAYAS AND EVERYTHING.

AND, UH, HE STARTED INTERROGATING HER AFTER A LOT OF QUESTION.

AND I WAS SCARED OUT OF MY MIND.

AND I WANTED TO SAY, BUT SHE'S MY MOM, YOU KNOW, , SHE'S BEEN HERE FOREVER.

AND, UH, BUT I KEPT QUIET 'CAUSE I WAS SO AFRAID.

AND THAT STICKS WITH ME TODAY.

'CAUSE THAT WOULD'VE BEEN AROUND 1966.

SO THAT'S OVER 50 YEARS.

AND I'M STILL TRAUMATIZED BY IT.

SO I CAN IMAGINE HOW OUR IMMIGRANT FRIENDS ARE TRAUMATIZED WHERE THEY'RE DOCUMENTED OR UNDOCUMENTED.

I HAVE A CLOSE RELATIVE WHOSE PARENTS HAD GREEN CARDS AND SHE WAS BORN IN NATIONAL CITY AND THEN THEY WENT BACK TO MEXICO.

BUT SHE'S AN AMERICAN CITIZEN.

SHE WAS BORN HERE.

AND NOW THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT TAKING THAT AWAY.

AND THE THE PHRASE OF OF COMPLYING WITH, UH, WHAT THE, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT SAYS IS LIKE A BLANK CHECK.

WE DON'T KNOW.

'CAUSE IT KEEPS ON CHANGING AND ACTUALLY KEEPS ON GETTING WORSE.

AND, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE'VE GOT VETERANS THAT, UH, MAY BE HISPANIC WITH THEIR CARD, SAY, NO, THAT'S, I JUST READ IT IN THE PAPER THE OTHER DAY.

LAST SPEAKER SAID THAT, AND IT REALLY MOVED ME.

THAT THEY SAID, THAT'S A FAKE CARD.

WE'RE GONNA ARREST YOU.

IT'S A FAKE VETERANS CARD.

AND I, I TRULY BELIEVE THAT EL CAJON IS A SPECIAL PLACE.

WE'VE GOT 70 DIFFERENT ETHNIC GROUPS IN EL CAJON, AND WE ALL GET ALONG REMARKABLY WELL.

I MEAN, WE'RE NOT HAVING GANG WARS AND, AND ALL THAT.

AND, AND I DID SOME MORE RESEARCH AND FOUND OUT THAT THE IMMIGRANTS COMMIT HALF THE CRIMES THAT THE CITIZENS DO.

SO WAIT A MINUTE, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S A GOOD THING.

AND THEN THE, UH, THE IMMIGRANTS, A LOT OF THEM PAY INTO SOCIAL SECURITY AND DON'T GET THE BENEFITS THEY INDIRECTLY PAY INTO FOR PROPERTY TAX BECAUSE THEY'RE PAYING A LANDLORD.

THEY DO A LOT OF JOBS THAT OUR CITIZENS DON'T WANT TO DO.

LET'S FACE IT.

YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU GO OUT, WHEN I DRIVE THROUGH THE FIELDS IN CENTRAL CALIFORNIA, I MEAN, I, I SEE MOSTLY IMMIGRANTS, WHETHER DOCUMENTED OR UNDOCUMENTED.

I DON'T CARE.

BUT I KNOW EVERY TIME I HAVE A PIECE OF LETTUCE, IT'S PROBABLY IMMIGRANT THAT PICKED IT.

SO, UM, AND OUR IMMIGRANTS ARE AN INTEGRAL PART OF OUR SOCIETY AND OUR ECONOMY.

AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE PART OF THE FABRIC OF WHO WE ARE.

AND I DON'T WANNA RIP APART THAT FABRIC 'CAUSE IT WOULD CAUSE HORRENDOUS DAMAGE.

AND I, I'VE LISTENED TO BOTH SIDES IN THIS ARGUMENT AND CONSIDERED WHAT EVERYBODY SAID.

AND I, I HEARD SOME REALLY GOOD STUFF FROM THE PRO-IMMIGRANT GROUP.

I MEAN, I'M THE CHILD OF AN IMMIGRANT, SO IT HAS A SPECIAL PLACE IN MY HEART.

AND I APPRECIATE THE, UH, BIBLE VERSES THAT I THINK MELISSA, THAT SHE SAID, AND LIKE THE OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS HERE, IT'S NO SECRET.

I'M A CHRISTIAN TOO.

AND, UH, THE MOST IMPORTANT THING THAT JESUS SAID, HE SAYS, LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR.

AND I THINK THE SECOND TO THE

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SO, BUT HOWEVER, I AM CONCERNED ABOUT A CRIMINAL ELEMENT, WHICH IS PROBABLY LESS A CRIMINAL ELEMENT AMONG IMMIGRANTS.

SO I THINK IT'S REASONABLE TO, UH, HAVE OUR POLICE ONLY CONTACT ICE WHEN THEY'VE, SOMEONE'S COMMITTED A VIOLENT CRIME.

NOT THAT THEY HAD A, A BRAKE LIGHT OUT ON THEIR CAR.

OKAY? AND, AND MICHELLE'S TESTIMONY ABOUT THE 5-YEAR-OLD THAT HAD TO WATCH HER NON-CRIMINAL DAD GET ARRESTED.

AND I THINK THE LAST THING THAT MICHELLE TOLD ME IS NOBODY KNOWS WHERE THE LITTLE GIRL IS.

I MEAN, CAN YOU IMAGINE THE TRAUMA THERE? I'M STILL TRAUMATIZED FOR MY MOM BEING INTERROGATED BY THE BOARD PATROL.

YOU CAN IMAGINE THIS IS GONNA GO TRAUMATIZE HER FOR HIM AN ENTIRE LIFE.

THE OTHER THING IS, I THINK IT'S CRUCIAL THAT OUR POLICE OFFICERS HAVE TRUST OF THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY NO MATTER WHO THEY ARE, NO MATTER, NO MATTER WHAT COLOR THEY ARE OR WHAT RELIGION THEY ARE.

AND, UH, IF, IF THEY LOSE THAT TRUST, WE ARE LESS SAFE.

'CAUSE THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE WITNESSES.

THEY'RE NOT GOING INTO HIDING WHEN THEY SEE A POLICE OFFICER, THEY'RE GOING TO, UH, THEY'RE NOT GONNA REPORT CRIMES.

AND ALL OF US SUFFER FROM THAT.

SO MICHELLE AND I, IF YOU'RE STILL ON BOARD ON THIS, I DON'T KNOW, WE WORKED FOR SEVERAL HOURS THE OTHER DAY IN HER KITCHEN AMONG HER DOGS AND CATS.

AND WE CAME UP WITH A RESOLUTION, WHICH I WOULD LIKE TO PASS OUT TO MY FELLOW COUNCIL MEMBERS TO GO OVER THIS.

AND I, I THINK THIS IS A GOOD COMPROMISE.

I HAVE TO ASK OUR ATTORNEY.

IT'S NOT AGENDA IS WHAT DO YOU WANNA DO WITH THIS? WELL, YES, IN FACT, IT'S ON THE AGENDA IS ADOPT RESOLUTION.

SO I, I ASSUME THAT THIS RESOLUTION THAT MR. KENDRICK IS PROPOSING, UH, ADDRESSES THE SAME FACTS, UH, THE SAME SITUATION AS THE, UH, RESOLUTION THAT WAS IN THE AGENDA PACKET.

IT'S SIMPLY AN ALTERNATIVE APPROACH.

SO, SO GARY, IF I, IF I, IF I COULD ASK YOU TO JUST GETTING INTO PAGES AND PAGES OF A RESOLUTION.

OH, NO, IT JUST WENT PAGE, IF YOU COULD JUST EXPLAIN WHAT WHAT IT IS.

I'LL, YOU'RE LOOKING TO, OKAY, I'LL, I'LL READ IT.

UH, THE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THIS RESOLUTION DOES, I THINK IS HELP STOP THE FEAR THAT HAS BEEN CREATED.

IN FACT, NOT JUST IN EL CAJON, BUT ALL OVER EAST COUNTY.

HE PASSES OUT TO PEOPLE, OH, JESSE, I GUESS IS DOING THAT.

SO THEY KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.

WOW.

THE RIGHTS TO THE PRESERVATION OF LIFE, LIBERTY, AND THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS.

YEAH, GO AHEAD.

UH, MR. MAYOR, CAN I PASS 'EM OUT TO THE COUNCIL MEMBERS? SURE.

TO THE STAFF.

SO WHAT MICHELLE AND I TRY TO DO IS ADDRESS THE CONCERNS ABOUT CRIMINALS AND CALM THE PUBLIC.

SO RESOLUTION, DECLARING INTENT TO CELEBRATE AND PROTECT OUR DIVERSE COMMUNITY.

WHEREAS THE CITY OF EL CAJON IS COMPRISED OVER 70 DIFFERENT DISTINCT CULTURAL AND ETHNIC GROUPS.

ETHNIC GROUPS.

AND WHEREAS THE IMMIGRANT COMMUNITY OF EL CAJON HAS REVITALIZED OUR CITY THROUGH ROBUST BUSINESS CULTURE, THE ARTS AND DIVERSE CUISINE, WHEREAS THE PUBLIC GOOD HOLDS A VESTED INTEREST IN FOSTERING TRUST BETWEEN THE COMMUNITY AND OUR PUBLIC SAFETY OFFICERS, SUCH THAT ALL RESIDENTS ARE COMFORTABLE REPORTING CRIMES.

AND WHEREAS OUR GREAT NATION IS FOUNDED ON THE PRINCIPLE THAT ALL PEOPLE ARE CREATED EQUAL WITH

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WHEREAS THE CITY OF EL CAJON IS INCORPORATED IN THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA, IS SUBJECT TO THE LAWS AND STATUTES THEREOF, WHEREAS THE PUBLIC OVERWHELMINGLY SUPPORTS EMBRACING THE GREAT AMERICAN DREAM.

NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF EL CAJON AS FOLLOWS, ONE.

THE CITY OF EL CAJON HEREBY CELEBRATES THE VALUABLE CONTRIBUTION OF OVER 70 DIVERSE CULTURAL AND ETHNIC GROUPS IN OUR CITY.

TWO, THE PEOPLE OF EL CAJON ACKNOWLEDGE THAT OUR IMMIGRANT COMMUNITY MAKES US STRONGER.

THE THREE, THE PEOPLE OF EL CAJON PROCLAIM THAT MIGRATING TO OUR GREAT CITY IS A MANIFESTATION OF THE SACRED AMERICAN DREAM FOUR.

THE CITY OF EL CAJON RESOLVES TO DECLARE ITS INTENT TO COMPLY WITH THE LAWS OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA, INCLUDING SB 54, WHICH ENABLES LAW ENFORCEMENT TO COOPERATE WITH FEDERAL IMMIGRATION AUTHORITIES FOR THE SOLE PURPOSE OF APPREHENDING VIOLENT CRIMINALS, THUS ENSURING THE SAFETY OF ALL RESIDENTS.

FIVE, IT IS HEREBY RESOLVED THAT EL CAJON SHOULD CONTINUE BE A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE OF ALL ORIGINS, CREEDS, AND NATIONALITIES, LIVE, WORK, AND THRIVE.

IS THERE MORE? THAT'S, THAT'S IT, PHIL.

YOUR TURN.

WELL, I APPRECIATE EVERYONE SPEAKING AND, UH, YEAH, THIS IS WHAT OUR VETERANS FIGHT FOR, UM, A THOUGHT EXPERIMENT.

AND USUALLY I DON'T LIKE COMMENTING ON NATIONAL ISSUES, UM, BECAUSE I CAN'T AFFECT IT.

I, I'M, I'M HERE IN MY, IN MY BACKYARD IN EL CAJON.

AND, UM, BUT WHY DOES MANY PEOPLE FROM THE, WHY DO MANY PEOPLE FROM AROUND THE WORLD WANNA COME TO AMERICA? UM, THAT'S A, THAT'S A VERY GOOD QUESTION.

IT'S UNIQUE.

UM, IT'S BEEN THAT WAY FOR HUNDREDS OF YEARS.

UM, IS IT BECAUSE AMERICANS WORK HARDER THAN OTHER PEOPLE FROM OTHER COUNTRIES? NO, NO.

THERE'S PLENTY OF PEOPLE FROM OTHER COUNTRIES THAT WORK EXTREMELY HARD.

UM, IS IT 'CAUSE AMERICANS, IS, IS AMERICA GREAT BECAUSE AMERICANS ARE SMARTER THAN OTHER PEOPLE FROM OTHER COUNTRIES? NO.

NO, ABSOLUTELY NOT.

THERE, THERE'S PLENTY OF PEOPLE THERE FROM OTHER COUNTRIES THAT ARE EQUALLY AS SMART, IF NOT SMARTER.

UM, IS IT 'CAUSE AMERICA HAS MORE NATURAL RESOURCES? NO.

PLENTY OF OTHER COUNTRIES HAVE NATURAL RESOURCES.

SO WHAT'S THE DRAW TO AMERICA? WHAT'S DIFFERENT, WHAT'S UNIQUE ABOUT IT? IT'S OUR RULES.

IT'S OUR LAWS.

IT'S THE ONLY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AMERICA AND EVERY OTHER COUNTRY.

IT'S, IT'S OUR RULES AND OUR LAWS THAT MAKES IT DIFFERENT.

AND AMERICAN'S COMMITMENTS TO EMBRACE THE, THOSE LAWS.

THAT'S WHAT MAKES IT UNIQUE, IS THE RULE OF LAW.

UM, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU CONTINUE SOMETHING LIKE THAT WHEN, UM, YOU ACTIVELY SUBVERT THE LAWS.

I'M NOT ALLOWED TO CROSS THE BORDER OTHER THAN A PORT OF ENTRY.

I'M NOT, IT'S ILLEGAL.

AND WE WANNA TALK ABOUT BIBLICAL PRINCIPLES.

THE BIBLE SAYS EQUAL WEIGHTS AND MEASURES.

YOU TREAT EVERYBODY EQUALLY.

AND THOSE BIBLE REFERENCES, THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE REFERENCES TO NOT TREAT, UM, PEOPLE THAT LOOK DIFFERENT FROM YOU UNEQUALLY.

AND EVERYBODY'S BEING HELD TO THE SAME STANDARD HERE.

UM, AND I, I I, WHAT I'M HEARING IS THE NEED, THE DESPERATE NEED OF IMMIGRANTS.

UH, MY GRANDMA, MY GRANDMA'S WAS, IS AN, WAS AN IMMIGRANT.

SHE'S PASSED , AND SHE WAS PREGNANT WITH MY MOM WHEN THEY CAME OVER.

SO I, I'M, I GET IT.

BUT THE DESPERATE NEED OF IMMIGRANTS.

UM, THE WEF, THE WORLD'S HEALTH FEDERATION, UH, HAS SAID THAT 2.5 TO 3 BILLION PEOPLE ARE LIVING IN POVERTY ACROSS THE WORLD.

2.5 BILLION PEOPLE.

WHAT I'M HEARING IS THAT IT'S COMPLETELY JUSTIFIED FOR PEOPLE TO COME HERE, UM, BECAUSE OF THEIR DIRE STRAITS.

I'M HEARING THAT WE'RE USING IMMIGRATION AS A METHOD TO ALLEVIATE WORLD POVERTY AND WAR.

THAT'S, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN.

THERE'S 2.5 BILLION PEOPLE ON EARTH THAT ARE LIVING BELOW THE POVERTY LINE THAT ARE IN WAR ZONES.

THAT'S, THAT DOESN'T WORK.

THE MATH DOESN'T MATH.

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WE, WE CANNOT USE IMMIGRATION AS A WAY TO ALLEVIATE WORLD POVERTY.

YOU CAN'T BRING 2.5, 3 BILLION PEOPLE IN HERE.

AND I'M SORRY.

IT WAS A HUGE DISSERVICE TO LET UPWARDS OF 20 MILLION PEOPLE IN HERE WITH NO INFRASTRUCTURE PLAN FOR THEM.

20 MILLION PEOPLE.

THAT'S 20.

THERE'S ONLY 20 STATES HAVE A POPULATION, LESS THAN 20 MILLION PEOPLE, THREE YEARS.

PEOPLE HAVE TO WAIT FOR AN ASYLUM JUDGE AND AN IMMIGRATION JUDGE.

THAT IS INSANE.

THAT IS THE MOST, THAT, THAT IS THE BIGGEST DISSERVICE, ONE OF THE BIGGEST DISSERVICES IN AMERICAN HISTORY BY LETTING THIS MANY PEOPLE IN TO BE EXPLOITED, UM, COLLATERAL DAMAGE.

UM, AND IT, IT IS THE MOST ILLOGICAL PLAN I'VE EVER HEARD OF IN MY ENTIRE LIFE.

THREE YEARS.

YOU'RE NOT PLANNING FOR ANYTHING.

THE BIBLE TALKS.

IF YOU'RE GONNA BUILD A HOUSE, YOU, YOU NEED TO COUNT THE COST, MEASURE THINGS.

AND THAT WAS, IT IS INCOMPREHENSIBLE THAT SOMEONE WOULD JUST AL ALLOW PEOPLE TO COME OVER ACROSS THE BORDER WITHOUT ANY REGARD FOR, FOR THEM TRAFFICKED, RAPED, KIDS BEING DRUGGED.

UM, IT, IT, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S INCON INCOMPREHENSIBLE.

UM, AND I, I DON'T, I I I REALLY HOPE THAT EVERYONE HERE BELIEVES AND REALLY DOES BELIEVE THAT THEY WANT TO REMOVE THE CRIMINAL ELEMENT FROM OUR COMMUNITIES.

I, IT, IT'S VERY HARD FOR ME TO BELIEVE IT THOUGH, BY SOME OF THE COMMENTS AND HOW CAVALIER PEOPLE ARE TREATING THE VIOLENT CRIMINALS IN OUR, IN OUR COMMUNITY, SNEERING AND SNICKERING AT IT.

AND WE'RE NOT OPERATING IN A VACUUM.

THE COUNTY OF SAN DIEGO JUST VOTED TO BE A SUPER SANCTUARY CITY WHERE THEY DON'T WANT TO DEPORT ANYBODY NO MATTER WHAT THE, NO MATTER WHAT THE CRIME IS, YES, IT 100% IS.

AND THESE LADIES, GENTLEMEN, PLEASE EXCUSE ME.

EXCUSE ME, PHIL, IN ORDER FOR THIS TO WORK, WE HAVE TO LET THE COUNCIL HAVE THEIR, THEIR TIME TO DISCUSS.

YOU HAD YOUR TIME.

LET'S, LET'S SAY HERE WHAT MR. ORTIZ HAS TO SAY.

THESE, THESE POLICIES AND THESE IDEAS ABOUT NOT DEPORTING ANYBODY, HAS BEEN, UH, PRESENTED IN THE STATE LEGISLATURE FOR YEARS.

THESE BILLS HAVE BEEN PRESENTED.

SO THESE, THESE IDEAS AREN'T IN A VACUUM.

AND IT'S VERY HARD FOR ME, ME TO BELIEVE, ESPECIALLY WHEN THE INTENTION AND THE SPECIFIC LANGUAGE TALKS ABOUT, UM, TALKS ABOUT THE, UH, CRIMINAL ELEMENT HERE IN THE, IN, IN OUR COMMUNITIES.

AND HERE'S EVERYONE'S TALKING ABOUT, UH, THE HISPANIC COMMUNITY.

WELL, LET, LET ME, LET ME FINISH ONE POINT BEFORE I MOVE ON TO THAT.

THESE, WHAT MAKES YOU AMERICA UNIQUE IS OUR LAWS.

LATIN AMERICAN COUNTRIES ARE EMBRACING THESE DIFFERENT LAWS.

ALREADY RIGHT NOW, THE PRESIDENT OF EL SALVADOR HAS TURNED AROUND THAT COUNTRY.

HE'S A TREMENDOUS LEADER.

I WISH WE HAD LEADERSHIP IN MORE LEADERSHIP LIKE HIS IN THE UNITED STATES.

THE PRESIDENT OF ARGENTINA IS EMBRACING THESE, THE RULE OF LAW, UM, JAVIER MALAY, HE HAS, HE HAS, UH, BROUGHT INFLATION FROM, FROM 30% DOWN TO SINGLE DIGITS.

HE'S BRINGING PEOPLE OUT OF POVERTY WITH THE, THE RULE OF LAW BY, BY CONTINUING THE RULE OF LAW.

AND I, I RESPECT WHAT THE ONE LADY SAID ABOUT YOU.

WE NEED TO PROTECT OUR COMMUNITY.

AND WE CAN'T JUST TURN A BLIND EYE TO THESE CRIMINALS THAT ARE HERE.

THAT IS, THAT IS IMMORAL AND IT'S UNETHICAL.

UM, AND THE CONSTITUTION ISN'T COPYRIGHTED.

ANYBODY CAN CAN CAN EMBRACE THIS.

ANY COUNTRY CAN EMBRACE THIS IMMEDIATELY.

UM, HERE'S AN EXAMPLE OF THE PEOPLE.

THEY'RE DEPORTING AND THE PEOPLE THAT HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO BE DEPORTED IN THE LAST FOUR YEARS.

A GERMAN NATIONAL SHOT AND KILLED A DEPUTY H HERE, HERE, ILLEGALLY, UH, SHOT, SHOT AND KILLED HIM.

A HAITIAN MAN, A KNOWN GANG MEMBER, SELF-IDENTIFIED WITH 17 CRIMINAL CONVICTIONS IN TWO YEARS.

A BRAZILIAN MAN, AN INTERPOL RED NOTICE, WHICH MEANS IT'S A WORLDWIDE NOTICE FOR A WARRANT TO ARREST HIM.

I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT IMMIGRANT, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT YOUR AVERAGE IMMIGRANT.

I'M TALKING ABOUT CRIMINALS.

AND WE'RE RUNNING THIS, THIS, THIS IS BEING RAN.

THE COMMENTS ARE RUNNING COVER TO PROTECT PEOPLE LIKE THIS.

AND THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS, AND THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS IS TALKING ABOUT.

AND LET THE, LET THE COUNCILMAN SPEAK THERE.

LA LADIES AND GENTLEMEN WOULD'VE BEEN DEPORTED.

AND LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, I, THESE IF, IF, HOLD ON A SECOND, PHIL.

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, IF YOU CAN'T CONTROL YOURSELVES, I'LL CLEAR THE CHAMBER.

WE'LL VOTE WITHOUT YOU.

SO YOU NEED TO BE QUIET

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THE DIVISIVENESS I'M HEARING IS AGAINST MY POINTS.

EVERYONE'S SAYING, LET'S NOT DIVIDE, LET'S NOT DIVIDE.

BUT YOU'RE, YOU'RE NOT ALLOWING FOR FREE SPEECH.

AND I, IT, I I'VE, OKAY, WHATEVER.

AN EL SALVADORIAN MAN CHARGED WITH RAPE RELEASED UNDER SANCTUARY STATE AND SANCTUARY CITY, UH, RULES.

THE DETAINER REQUEST WAS DENIED.

A DOMINICAN MAN, UH, POSSESSION OF HEROIN, A DEADLY WEAPON, A GUATEMALAN, UH, MAN, MS 13 GUN CHARGES, UH, GANG MEMBER DETAINER WAS, UH, DETAINER REQUEST WAS DENIED, UH, BY LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT DUE TO SANCTUARY CITY AND STATE POLICIES.

UH, A HAITIAN MAN SEXUAL ASSAULT, WHO WAS BROUGHT IN, UH, BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT'S FLIGHT PROGRAM IN 2023, FLYING PEOPLE IN, UH, A PREVIOUSLY DEPORTED HONDURAN MAN WHO WAS ARRESTED FOR RAPING A WOMAN WHILE PUTTING A GUN IN HER MOUTH.

EDGAR DE LA CRUZ MANZANO, A CHILD RAPIST JORDANIAN NATIONAL WITH CONNECTIONS TO ISIS.

I, I DON'T SEE ANY ISSUE.

I DON'T SEE ANY ISSUE WHEN OUR POLICE FORCE COMES ACROSS THESE PEOPLE IN THEIR REGULAR COURSE OF DUTY, GIVING THEM THE ABILITY TO CONTACT FEDERAL IMMIGRATION AUTHORITIES AND SAYING, WILL YOU GET THESE PEOPLE OUTTA HERE? AND IF YOU DO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT, THEN THERE'S NO AMOUNT OF CONVINCING THAT YOU'RE GONNA GIVE ME TO CONVINCE ME OTHERWISE, IT'S WRONG.

IT'S ABSOLUTELY WRONG.

AND I, AND I DON'T KNOW, I, I DON'T KNOW.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE, WHAT THE IMPLICATION IS WITH REGARD TO EVERYONE HAS A NEED, EVERYONE HAS A NEED TO COME TO AMERICA.

BUT WHAT GIVES PEOPLE THE RIGHT TO CUT IN LINE? WHY ARE THEY JUSTIFIED TO CUT IN LINE FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE TRYING TO DO IT LEGALLY? IS, IS, IS THE PEOPLE WHO ARE APPLYING LEGALLY ARE IN, IN EXACT SAME SITUATIONS AS THE PEOPLE APPLYING LEGALLY.

NO, THEY'RE NOT.

PLEASE, THAT'S A, THAT, THAT IS AN INSANE CLAIM TO THINK THAT PEOPLE COMING HERE LEGALLY, UM, AREN'T TRYING TO ACHIEVE THE AMERICAN DREAM.

EVERYBODY'S TRYING TO ACHIEVE THE AMERICAN DREAM.

AND THE THING THAT KEEPS AMERICA, AMERICA IS BY, IS AMERICANS AND NEWCOMERS EMBRACING THE LAWS OF AMERICA.

I COME FROM IMMIGRANTS.

I KNOW, I KNOW PL I KNOW PLENTY.

I KNOW PLENTY OF PEOPLE.

UM, YEAH.

I I, I EMPLOY THEM.

I, I , I, I, I'VE, I'VE USED THEIR SERVICES.

I, THERE'S NO WAY OUR ECONOMY, ESPECIALLY IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA, CAN FUNCTION WITHOUT IMMIGRATION.

NO ONE'S SAYING.

AND THAT'S THE OTHER THING THAT'S BEING MISCONSTRUED HERE, IS PEOPLE ARE SAYING, JUST PEOPLE ARE SAYING, WE DON'T WANT ANY IMMIGRATION.

THE THE LEVY AGAINST THIS POSITION IS WE DON'T WANT ANY, ANY IMMIGRATION.

WHEN IN FACT, ALL WE WANT IS ORDERLY, ORGANIZED IMMIGRATION.

AND YOU'RE SAYING WE DON'T WANT ANY INTEGRATION, AND YOU'RE A RACIST AND THIS AND THAT.

UH, THINGS THAT I DIDN'T NOTICE OR SEE.

THE ONLY THING THAT KEEPS AMERICA THE WAY IT IS, IS OUR LAWS AND OUR, AND OUR, AND OUR, AND OUR COMMITMENT TO THOSE LAWS.

AND I SAID THIS AT THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING, THIS IS A, THIS IS A MESS THAT OUR FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS KICKED DOWN THE ROAD.

AND IT'S BEEN EXACERBATED BY ENTITLEMENTS BEING GIVEN TO NEWCOMERS HERE, UM, THROUGH NGOS.

THIS IS THE, THE IMMIGRANTS COMING NOW WHO ARE, WHO ARE ACCEPTING PUBLIC SERVICE, ARE NOT THE IMMIGRANTS OF EL ELLIS ISLAND.

THE ELLIS ISLAND IMMIGRANTS IN THAT ERA WERE, WERE, UH, CAME HERE WITHOUT ANY LE, WITHOUT ANY HELP, WITHOUT ANY LEGAL ASSISTANCE.

AND, AND THEY, AND, AND THIS IS DIFFERENT.

THIS IS 100% DIFFERENT.

SO, UM, GARY, I I LOVE THE SOFTER VERSION OF THIS.

I REALLY DO.

IT'S, IT'S, UH, IT'S WELL THOUGHT OUT.

AND, UM, MY, MY FAMILY OWNS RESTAURANTS IN CHICAGO, EL HARDIN CAFE, EL CANTINA.

I MEAN, I DON'T LOOK IT, BUT MY WHOLE FAMILY IS HISPANIC.

SO I'M NOT INTIMIDATED BY AN IMMIGRANT COMMUNITY.

I GREW UP WITH IT.

UM, BUT THE, THE, THE, THE RULE OF LAW IS GENERAL HAS TO APPLY.

UM, I'LL, AND I KNOW, STEVE, I THINK YOU HAD A SOMETHING ELSE, BUT I'LL, I'LL HOLD MY COMMENTS FROM FOR THAT, MR. GOBEL.

WELL, UM, I'VE GOT SOME QUESTIONS ACTUALLY ON THE, ON SOME OF THE, UH, THINGS THAT WE CAN AND CANNOT DO.

SB 54 IS THE LAW OF THE LAND.

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54 WAS ENACTED IN 2017.

IT WAS WENT TO THE, UH, NINTH CIRCUIT COURT OF APPEAL ON A APPEAL FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

THE COURT OF APPEALS UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED AT THREE ZERO AND A THREE BANK.

IT WAS APPEALED TO THE SUPREME COURT IN 2020, WHERE SALVADOR SALVADOR STILL HERE.

HE WAS TALKING ABOUT ALL THESE THINGS.

HE KNEW THIS.

UM, AND THE SUPREME COURT DENIED TO HEAR IT.

SO IT'S BEEN TESTED SB 54.

IT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO WORK WITH TODAY.

SO I ACKNOWLEDGE THAT.

HERE'S MY QUESTION.

I DON'T, I, I KNOW THAT IT SAYS WE CANNOT USE OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT FOR IMMIGRATION ONLY THINGS.

AND SECTION 7 2 8 2 0.5 SAYS, WELL, A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIALS SHALL HAVE DISCRETION TO COOPERATE WITH IMMIGRATION AUTHORITIES.

ONLY IF DOING SO WOULD NOT VIOLATE FEDERALIST FAILURE.

WHAT DOES COOPERATION MEAN? I DON'T THINK IT MEANS GO THROUGH THE DOOR, UH, UH, HANDCUFF.

I, I THINK IT HAS TO DO WITH INFORMATION SHARING AS I READ THIS.

AM I CORRECT, MR. GOBEL? I THINK WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO IS THERE'S IN PARENTHESES A COMMENT RIGHT AFTER THAT WHERE YOU ENDED THAT SAID, COMMENCING WITH SECTION 7 2 8 4, THEN YOU GO TO 7 2 8 4.

THAT'S WHERE IT STARTS GOING THROUGH ALL THE LIMITATIONS OF WHAT YOU CAN AND CAN'T DO.

SO IT, IT'S ALMOST, THE LAW IS ALMOST DECEPTIVE THAT SAYS YOU CAN COOPERATE UNDER THESE CONDITIONS, AND THEN THERE'S NO CONDITIONS REALLY LISTED.

AND IF YOU LOOK AT, IN FACT, WHILE DURING THE MEETING I WAS LOOKING AT, UM, THE AG RECENTLY PUT OUT THEIR LATEST BULLETIN, INTERESTING, IRONICALLY, THAT IT CAME OUT JUST DAYS BEFORE OR DAYS AFTER OUR LAST HEARING ON JANUARY 17TH.

BUT LET ME JUST READ A FEW BULLETINS.

THIS IS, THIS IS THE DOJS, CALIFORNIA DOJS INTERPRETATION OF SB 54.

THE VALUES ACT DEFINES IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT AS ANY AND ALL EFFORTS TO INVESTIGATE, ENFORCE, OR ASSIST IN THE INVESTIGATION OR ENFORCEMENT OF ANY FEDERAL, CRIM, CIVIL IMMIGRATION LAW, AND ALSO INCLUDES ANY AND ALL EFFORTS TO INVESTIGATE, ENFORCE, OR ASSIST IN THE INVESTIGATION OR ENFORCEMENT OF ANY CRIMINAL FEDERAL CRIMINAL IMMIGRATION LAW THAT PENALIZES A PERSON'S PRESENCE IN ENTRY OR REENTRY TO, OR EMPLOYMENT IN THE UNITED STATES.

IT GOES ON TO SAY THAT UNDER THE VALUE THE VALUES ACT, LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES ARE PROHIBITED IN THE FOLLOWING WAYS, INQUIRING INTO AN INDIVIDUAL'S IMMIGRATION STATUS.

I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY QUESTION ABOUT THAT DE ABOUT WHETHER THAT'S LEGAL OR NOT LEGAL.

IT'S CLEARLY NOT LEGAL.

DETAINING AN INDIVIDUAL IN RESPONSE TO A HOLD REQUEST THAT HAS TO DO MORE WITH THE COURT OR THE JAILS PROVIDING PERSONAL INFORMATION.

WE KNOW ABOUT THAT.

IT GOES ON TO SAY, MAKING OR PARTICIPATING IN AN ARREST.

SO, IN MY MIND, PARTICIPATING IN ARREST, IF, IF ICE WERE TO BE DOING A DETAIL IN THE CITY OF EL CAJON, PARTICIPATION WOULD BE CLOSING DOWN A ROAD, UH, PROVIDING COVER, UM, HELPING TO IN, UM, QUESTION WITNESSES.

I THINK THAT ANY OF THOSE TYPES OF THINGS, NOT JUST GOING INTO THE HOUSE IN HAND IN HAND, BUT ANY LEVEL OF PARTICIPATION WOULD BE A VIOLATION OF SB 54 AS THE WAY I READ THIS BULLETIN.

I, I, THAT MAKES SENSE TO ME.

I, I, I, I DON'T NECESSARILY AGREE WITH EVERYTHING IN SB 54, BUT IT IS WHAT IT IS.

AND SO, I, I QUESTION WHETHER WE HAVE LAW ENFORCEMENT TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT IMMIGRATION IN THE CITY OF EL CAJON.

HOWEVER, HOWEVER, SO MANY SPEAKERS TALKED, UH, ABOUT PUBLIC SAFETY, UH, THE VIOLENT CRIME HAPPENING IN THE CITY.

AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT'S ABOUT PUBLIC SAFETY.

SAFETY IS NOT NEGOTIABLE.

UH, UH, A LOT OF COMMENTS ABOUT KEEP CITIZENS SAFE, USE LOGIC AND SENSE.

THIS IS ABOUT CITIZENS' RIGHTS AND PROTECTIONS.

UH, DO WHAT IT TAKES TO KEEP PEOPLE SAFE.

THIS IS WHAT OUR MISSION IS HERE IN LAW ENFORCEMENT.

SO, I, I HAD SOME WORDS THAT I PREPARED AS WELL, JUST TO GET IT OUT OF MY HEAD ONTO PAPER.

UH, FIRST, THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING.

THANK YOU FOR ENGAGING IN LOCAL GOVERNMENT.

THIS IS WHAT WE, WHAT WE DO.

THANKS FOR MOVING YOUR SCHEDULE AROUND.

THANKS FOR HANGING IN THERE TILL, YOU KNOW, PRIME TIME.

UH, SECOND, I'VE READ EVERY EMAIL, I'VE READ EVERY, UH, OR, OR LISTENED TO EVERY VOICEMAIL, UH, ALL OF THEM SO THAT I DON'T HAVE BLIND SPOTS.

I CALL 'EM BLIND SPOTS.

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SO THAT'S GOOD THAT YOU TOLD ME THOSE, 'CAUSE I'VE LEARNED A LOT ABOUT NUANCES, ABOUT YOUR STORIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

UH, NOW LET'S TALK ABOUT THIS ITEM.

WE ALL NEED IMMIGRANTS.

THIS COUNTRY NEEDS IMMIGRANTS.

THE BIRTH RATE IS JUST NOT REPLACING OUR POPULATION.

AND WE NEED MORE PEOPLE TO, LEGAL IMMIGRANTS TO COME INTO THIS COUNTRY TO SUPPORT OUR SOCIAL SECURITY SYSTEM OR, OR WHATEVER IT'S GONNA BE.

WE'RE GONNA NEED MORE PEOPLE.

UH, THE REASON WHY I MOVED THIS BACK TO THE, UH, LAST STAFF MEETING WAS I JUST FELT THERE WERE TOO, TOO MANY GAPS.

CAP SET CREATED FEAR, ANXIETY, CONFUSION, MISUNDERSTANDING, UH, BUT ALSO GAPS THAT CREATED EXPECTATIONS OF WHAT WE SHOULD DO, OF THINGS THAT MAYBE WE CAN'T DO.

UH, OR WE TALKED ABOUT SB 54.

UM, THE, THE TRAINING AND MISSION OF OUR, OUR POLICE IS TO PROTECT AND SERVE.

THAT'S, IT'S, IT'S NOT IMMIGRATION.

THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S A FEDERAL ISSUE.

OURS IS TO KEEP PEOPLE SAFE.

UH, A CRITICALLY IMPORTANT PART OF THAT PROTECTION REQUIRES OUR POLICE HAVING THE TRUST OF THE COMMUNITY WITHOUT THAT TRUST IN A CITY THAT'S 30% LATINO AND CLOSE TO 20% IN MIDDLE EASTERN, MANY LAW ABIDING RESIDENTS WOULD LIVE UNNECESSARILY IN FEAR AND ANXIETY OF THE POLICE BASED ON PAST EXPERIENCES.

I HEARD YOU ALSO, EQUALLY IMPORTANT, IF OUR COMMUNITY DOESN'T TRUST US, OUR POLICE WON'T GET THE COOPERATION THEY NEED TO INVESTIGATE CRIMES, FIND SUSPECTS, AND ARREST BAD GUYS.

SO TRUST IS REALLY IMPORTANT IN A, IN A CITY.

UH, WE TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WELL, IF YOU, IF YOU STOP A CAR AND THE GUYS IN THE COUNTRY ILLEGALLY, ARE YOU GONNA CONTACT ICE? I TALKED TO TWO OF OUR OFFICERS.

THEY DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO THAT INFORMATION.

WHEN THEY PULL SOMEBODY OVER, THEY CAN CHECK FOR A CRIMINAL HISTORY.

THEY CAN CHECK FOR WARRANTS, BUT NOWHERE IN THERE IS A PERSON'S IMMIGRATION STATUS.

THEY DON'T KNOW.

THEY, THE SYSTEM DOES NOT TELL THEM A PERSON'S IMMIGRATION STATUS.

SO THEY COULDN'T CALL ICE BECAUSE THEY DON'T KNOW IF A PERSON'S HERE, THERE, OUR SYSTEM LOCALLY ISN'T TIED INTO TO THE IMMIGRATION THING.

SO, UH, OUR POLICE OFFICERS JUST CAN'T DO WHAT SOME PEOPLE WANT THEM TO DO.

UH, I, I THINK IT COMES BACK TO OUR MISSION OF PROTECTING AND SERVICE.

I THINK HIS NAME WAS MR. BOGGY.

DID I, AM I GETTING THAT RIGHT? IS HE STILL HERE? MAYBE HE LEFT TO 650,000 PEOPLE IN THE UNITED STATES ARE CONVICTED OR CHARGED CRIMINALS WHO ARE HERE ILLEGALLY, 650,000, LIVING FREE IN OUR COUNTRY.

I AGREE WITH HIM, IS SAYING, AS CLOSE AS WE ARE TO THE BORDER, WE MAY HAVE SOME OF THOSE IN OUR CITY.

AND THAT IS SOMETHING WE HAVE TO GET OUT OF OUR CITY.

THE QUESTION IS, WHO'S GONNA DO IT? UH, 15,000 PEOPLE FOR MURDER.

110,000 PEOPLE FOR ASSAULT, 17,000 FOR WEAPON, 70,000 FOR DANGEROUS DRUGS, 12,000 FOR SEX OFFENDERS.

NOT COUNTING COMMERCIAL SEX TRAFFICKING AND MORE, UH, IT'S, HE, HE'S RIGHT THERE.

THERE'S PROBABLY SOME IN THE COUNTY.

YOU KNOW, AS CLOSE AS WE ARE, I, I REALLY THINK THIS COMES DOWN TO, UH, AND EVEN THIS COMES DOWN TO LETTING THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT PROTECT US FROM CRIMINALS WHO ARE IN OUR CITY.

THAT'S MY INTEREST.

MY INTEREST IS LETTING OUR POLICE HANDLE THE LOCAL STUFF.

MY INTEREST IS, IS KEEPING ALL OF US SAFE.

THAT'S THEIR CHARGE.

THAT'S WHAT WE BUDGET FOR THEM.

THAT'S WHAT OUR MISSION IS.

THAT'S WHAT ARE STAFFED FOR.

AND MY GOSH, PEOPLE, WE HAVE SO MUCH TO DO WITH HOMELESSNESS, WE COULDN'T EVEN BEGIN TO TAKE ON IMMIGRATION.

SO WE NEED TO FIX THE PROBLEMS HERE FIRST BEFORE WE CAN DO THAT.

NOW, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? JUST ABANDON? NO, IT MEANS SANCTUARY.

CITIES ARE BLOCKING FEDERAL GOVERNMENT FROM COMING IN AND DOING THEIR JOB.

WE SHOULD COMPLY WITH FEDERAL LAW, NOT BLOCK A FEDERAL AGENCY THAT COMES IN TO DO WHAT THEY DO.

WE WILL ABIDE BY SB 54, AND THAT THAT MEANS THAT WE DON'T PARTICIPATE.

IF IT MEANS WE DON'T EVEN PUT TWO CARS ON THE END OF THE STREET TO BLOCK TRAFFIC, SO BE IT.

BUT WE NEED TO LET THEM PULL THESE 650,000 PEOPLE OUT OF OUR COUNTRY.

IT'S, IT'S BAD.

SO I THINK I'M REALLY KIND OF COMING AROUND TO, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE CAN DO MUCH AT THE LOCAL LEVEL WITH IMMIGRATION.

WE CERTAINLY CAN'T DO IMMIGRATION ONLY.

I DON'T THINK WE CAN DO ASSIST WITH FEDERAL ENFORCEMENT ACTIONS.

I JUST THINK WE STAY OUTTA THE WAY WE WANT THEM TO DO IT.

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NEED THEM TO DO IT TO GET RID OF 650,000 REALLY BAD, VIOLENT CRIMINALS IN OUR COUNTRY.

THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'M LANDING AS FAR AS THE RESOLUTION.

I, I, I'VE SEEN BOTH.

I, I JUST, I'M NOT SEEING THE, THE, WE CAN'T REALLY DO MUCH OTHER THAN JUST STAY OUT OF THE WAY AND LET THE FEDS DO WHAT THEY WANNA DO.

E EVEN I, IRONICALLY, EVEN ROB BONTA LAST SATURDAY SAID, UH, THEY HAVE A JOB.

LET THEM DO THEIR JOB.

HE'S, HE'S SAYING, LET, LET THEM LET THE FEDS COME IN AND DO THEIR JOB.

SO WHY SHOULDN'T, IF HE'S OKAY WITH THAT, WHY SHOULDN'T WE ALL BE OKAY WITH HIM, WITH THEM COMING IN AND PROTECTING US? THAT'S THEIR JOB.

AND THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'M LANDING ON IT SO FAR.

THIS IS PROGRESSIVISM VERSUS CONSERVATISM.

THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING TONIGHT, AND THANK YOU FOR GIVING YOUR, YOUR OPINIONS.

THE REASON I BROUGHT THIS WAS BECAUSE I THOUGHT IT WAS REALLY IMPORTANT FOR ALL THE REASONS THAT WE'VE HEARD TONIGHT, THAT WHEN SOMEBODY COMES INTO CONTACT WITH ONE OF OUR POLICE OFFICERS, LET'S SEE, SAY FOR EXAMPLE, A VENEZUELAN GANG MEMBER THAT HAS COMMITTED THE CRIME, THAT WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO EVERYTHING IN OUR POWER TO GET THAT PERSON OFF OF OUR STREETS.

AND IF COOPERATING WITH ICE IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT WE COULD DO, WE SHOULD DO THAT BECAUSE PUBLIC SAFETY SHOULD BE NUMBER ONE.

NOW, ALL OF YOU HAVE MADE A REALLY GREAT CASE THAT RACISM IS BAD.

NAZIM IS BAD, AND FASCISM IS BAD.

BUT YOU KNOW WHAT? THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

YOU'VE CONFABULATED THAT OUT OF ABSOLUTE CLOTH.

NOTHING LIKE THAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN.

WHAT THIS RESOLUTION SAYS, IT IS OUR INTENT TO COOPERATE WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

THAT SHOULD BE OBVIOUS.

EVERY NATION OR EVERY CITY IN THE NATION SHOULD HAVE ADDS INTENT TO COOPERATE WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT BECAUSE IT IS OUR GOVERNMENT.

NOW, LEMME TELL YOU WHAT I THINK IS REALLY GOING ON HERE.

I DON'T THINK THIS IS ABOUT IMMIGRATION.

I DON'T THINK THIS IS ABOUT RACISM.

I THINK THIS IS ABOUT A WAR THAT IS OVER, BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T THINK IT'S OVER BECAUSE IT ENDED ON NOVEMBER 5TH.

THIS IS TRUMP VERSUS NON-TRUMP.

THIS IS THE CULTURAL WAR THAT WE ARE INVOLVED IN RIGHT NOW.

AND MY, MY, UH, MY COLLEAGUE MICHELLE MITCHELL, SAID LAST TIME, THAT IS INCUMBENT UPON US TO MAKE SURE THAT WE REPRESENT THE PEOPLE OF THE CITY OF EL CAJON.

BUT I WANNA SAY SOMETHING.

57% OF THE PEOPLE IN EL CAJON VOTED FOR DONALD TRUMP, AND EVERYBODY KNEW WHERE HE STOOD ON THE IMMIGRATION.

THAT WAS THE SALIENT POINT IN THIS ENTIRE ELECTION.

SO I WANNA JUST KEEP IT WITH WHAT IT'S REALLY ABOUT.

IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH RACISM.

THIS HAS TO DO WITH INTENT TO COOPERATE WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

IF YOU CAN VOTE FOR THAT, I'M GOING TO MAKE A, A MOTION RIGHT NOW THAT WE AC ACCEPT THE RESOLUTION.

IF YOU CAN VOTE FOR THAT, AND YOU THINK THAT'S OKAY, THEN VOTE WITH ME OR GIMME A SECOND.

AND IF, IF YOU'RE AGAINST IT, THEN, THEN DON'T.

DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION BEFORE I, I I WANNA GIVE EVERYBODY ENOUGH TIME.

I I, I NEED A MINUTE TO, TO REREAD YOUR RESOLUTION.

IT'S, IT'S PRETTY IMPORTANT.

SO I, I JUST, I JUST NEED A MINUTE TO SURE.

THAT'S, I, I I DON'T WANT TO STEAMROLL ANYBODY.

WE'RE GONNA WAIT UNTIL STEVE READS IT AGAIN.

AND AS LONG AS I'M TALKING, I WANNA ANSWER ANOTHER QUESTION.

PEOPLE, WHY IS IT IMPORTANT WE DO THIS? IT'S IMPORTANT, JUST LIKE IT WAS IMPORTANT FOR PEOPLE TO, TO PROTEST IN TIANANMEN SQUARE.

IF ONE PERSON WAS PROTESTING IN T TIANANMEN SQUARE, NOBODY WOULD'VE DONE ANYTHING.

THEY WOULD'VE SWEPT HIM AWAY.

NOBODY, IT WOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN ON CNN.

BUT IF MANY, MANY PEOPLE PROTESTED, MILLIONS OF PEOPLE PROTESTED, THE PEOPLE THAT WANTED TO STOP FREEDOM COULDN'T, COULDN'T DO IT.

THE WORLD SAW WHAT WAS HAPPENING.

THE CITY OF HUNTINGTON BEACH HAS STOOD UP IN TM, TIANMEN SQUARE, AND THEY'VE SAID, THE RULE OF LAW MATTERS.

I WANT EL CAJON TO ALSO STAND UP IN TIANMEN SQUARE AND SAY, THE RULE OF LAW MATTERS.

AND I THINK IF WE DO THAT, WE'LL EMPOWER MUNICIPALITIES ALL OVER CALIFORNIA AND ALL OVER AMERICA TO DO THE SAME THING.

AND MAYBE WE CAN PROTECT ALL OF OUR CHILDREN.

I ALSO WANNA TELL YOU ONE MORE THING ON A PERSONAL, UH, PERSONAL NOTE.

I JUST CAME BACK FROM A HOCKEY TOURNAMENT IN UTAH.

I TOOK MY 14-YEAR-OLD

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GRANDSON THERE.

HE'S A JAPANESE AMERICAN, SPEAKS JAPANESE, HE'S GOT DUAL CITIZENSHIP.

IF I THOUGHT THAT I WAS GOING TO BE PUSHING SOMETHING WHERE POLICE OFFICERS WOULD PULL US OVER AND PUT HIM IN HANDCUFFS AND THROW HIM IN THE BACK OF A CAR AND SCARE HIM AND TRAUMATIZE HIM, I WOULD, YOU'VE GOTTA KNOW THAT I, I WOULD NEVER DO THAT.

PEOPLE WOULDN'T DO THAT TO THEIR OWN CHILDREN.

BUT IN NO WAY DO I BELIEVE THAT THAT IS THE CASE IN THIS RESOLUTION.

I'M JUST ASKING FOR US TO LOOK AT THINGS, HONESTLY.

AND HONESTLY, ALL IT IS SAYING IS THAT OUR INTENT IS TO COOPERATE WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

SO I'M, I I'M DONE, UH, RANTING IF, IF STEVE'S DONE BREEDING.

I I'VE GOT A QUESTION.

UH, SO THE CITY DECLARES ITS INTENT TO COMPLY WITH THE ENFORCEMENT OF FEDERAL INTEGRATION LAW TO THE LEGAL EXTENT PERMISSIBLE UNDER SB 54.

WHAT IF WE HAVE NO, THEN, THEN ARE YOU ASKING ME OR ARE YOU ASKING? YEAH, I MEAN, IT'S LIKE, I'M KIND OF HEARING FROM STAFF THAT WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO DO ANYTHING WITH FEDERAL IMMIGRATION LAW.

I THINK IT'S, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE MAKE OUR INTENT KNOWN.

AND THE, AND THE THE REASON, THE REASON BEING IS BECAUSE I, I HAVE MET WITH MR. HOLMAN, AND MR. HOLMAN SAYS THAT HE IS, HE IS GOING TO DO THIS.

HE, HE'S, HE IS NOT GONNA STOP.

HE NEEDS, HE AND PRESIDENT TRUMP NEED TO KNOW THAT THERE ARE MUNICIPALITIES IN CALIFORNIA THAT DON'T DESPISE THE RULE OF LAW.

THERE ARE MUNICIPALITIES IN CALIFORNIA THAT, THAT WANNA BE HELPFUL.

YES, YOU'RE RIGHT, STEVE.

IF, IF THEY NEVER RESOLVE THIS THING, WE WILL, OUR INTENT WILL MEAN NOTHING.

WE WON'T DO ANYTHING AGAINST THE LAW UNTIL IT'S BEEN DECIDED UPON BY THE SUPREME COURT.

BUT THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH, WITH STANDING UP AND MAKING YOUR VOICE HEARD AND SAYING THIS, WHAT, WHAT THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION HAS DONE TO THIS COUNTRY THROUGH OPEN BORDERS IS A HORRIBLE THING.

AND IT'S, IS AS A, AS A PUBLIC SERVANT, I WANT TO STAND UP AND BE COUNTED THAT I THINK IT WAS WRONG.

IT'S ABOUT TRUMP.

TRY, MOST OF THE PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY VOTED FOR TRUMP.

I'M SORRY.

WELL, I THINK THIS IS, IF WE, IF WE, IF WE PASS THIS, THEN IT'S GONNA HAVE A CHILLING EFFECT ON PEOPLE SHOPPING IN EL CAJON.

BECAUSE IF I WERE A BROWN PERSON, I WOULDN'T COME TO EL CAJON AND SHOP.

AND, AND SO, AND SOMETIMES FREEDOM AND DOING THE RIGHT THING HAS A COST.

SO I, I DON'T WANNA GET BACK TO ANOTHER DEBATE ABOUT IT.

WE, YOU, LIKE I SAID, I HAVE AN EMOTION ON THE TABLE.

I HAVE A SECOND.

UH, IF, IF YOU, DO YOU HAVE ANY MORE DISCUSSION ABOUT IT? I, I, I DO.

AND, AND IT'S IMPORTANT.

AND IF I CAN'T TALK, THEN I'LL ABSTAIN FROM VOTING.

BUT NO, NO.

YOU, I'M NOT GONNA SHUT THIS DEBATE DOWN.

YOU CAN TALK, STEVE.

I'M, I'M, I'M SAYING THAT YOU, YOU'RE, I WANNA HEAR WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY.

WELL, I'M HEARING YOU SAY YOU HAD A MOTION IN A SECOND.

IT'S TIME TO VOTE.

IF YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD AND VOTE, GO.

BUT, BUT THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT.

SO IT NEED NOT BE RUSHED.

I, I UNDERSTAND WE'VE BEEN HERE A LONG TIME, WE'RE A LITTLE HUNGRY OR, OR WHATEVER.

BUT, BUT THIS IS PRETTY BIG.

I, I, I'M JUST TRYING TO GET TO THE PRACTICAL SIDE OF THIS.

I DON'T WANT TALK ABOUT THE POLITICAL SIDE, THE BIDEN, WHAT BIDEN DID, WHAT TRUMP WANTS TO DO.

I JUST WANNA TALK ABOUT HOW IS THIS GONNA AFFECT OUR POLICE? AND, AND, AND I HAVE TO THINK ABOUT WHAT ARE WE DOING TO OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT WHEN WE PUT, YOU KNOW, SAY THESE WORDS BECAUSE WE'RE ASKING THEM TO DO THIS.

SO I KIND OF, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T GET THE CHANCE TO TALK TO EACH OTHER BEFORE THIS IS IT.

SO YOU'RE SEEING THE MESSINESS OF GOVERNMENT, BUT THAT'S JUST THE WAY IT IS.

UH, THE CITY DECLARES ITS INTENT TO COMPLY WITH THE ENFORCEMENT OF FEDERAL IMMIGRATION LAW.

YOU KNOW, PART OF ME IS HEARING MICHELLE IN MY EAR OVER HERE GOING, WHY DO WE NEED TO ENFORCEMENT TO SAY WE'RE GONNA COMPLY WITH THE LAW? UM, WHY DO WE NEED A, A, A RESOLUTION TO SAY WE'RE GONNA COMPLY WITH THE LAW? CAN, CAN I, CAN, I CAN, CAN, CAN I SAY, CAN I COMMENT ON THAT? ABSOLUTELY.

LET'S, LET'S DEBATE IT.

ARGUMENT FOR WHAT I BELIEVE IS MORAL AS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL.

IT, THERE ARE, THERE ARE OTHER MUNICIPALITIES LIKE THE COUNTY THAT ARE GOING THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION.

AND I THINK THAT'S WRONG.

THERE'S STATE LEGISLATURES THAT ARE GOING THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION, AND I THINK THAT'S WRONG.

AND I HAVE A SEAT AT THE TABLE TO MAKE AN ARGUMENT IN THE PUBLIC SQUARE.

AND THAT, THAT, THAT IS WHAT THIS IS.

THAT, THAT'S WHAT AMERICA'S ABOUT, IS MAKING AN ARGUMENT IN THE PUBLIC SQUARE ABOUT THE DIRECTION THAT OUR COMMUNITY SHOULD GO.

I, I GUESS MY QUESTION TO YOU, AND IS, UH, YOU'RE SAYING WE NEED TO STATE OUR SIDE THAT WE'RE STANDING ON, IS THAT THE QUESTION? I, I'M SAYING I'M MAKING AN

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BUT, BUT IF MORALITY IS COMPLYING WITH EXISTING LAW, WHY DO WE THIS IS, I'M NOT SAYING, I'M JUST ASKING A QUESTION.

WHY DO WE NEED TO SAY WE'RE PLANTING A FLAG, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GONNA COMPLY WITH BECAUSE THIS IS, WHY DO WE NEED A RESOLUTION? THIS IS HOW LAWS ARE MADE.

THIS IS HOW IDEAS, THIS IS HOW, THIS IS HOW IDEA, THIS IS HOW IDEA, THIS IS HOW LAWS ARE MADE.

THIS IS HOW IDEAS, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, PLEASE, THIS IS A, THIS IS THE, THE PROCESS.

STEVE'S LET IT GO.

STEVE'S RIGHT.

WE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO SPEAK TO EACH OTHER.

WE'RE ABIDING BY THE BROWN ACT.

WE ARE LEGALLY NOT ALLOWED TO DISCUSS THIS WITH EACH OTHER.

OKAY? SO THIS IS WHAT YOU GUYS ALL WANT WITH TRANSPARENCY IN GOVERNMENT.

SO WE CAN'T HAVE THESE SECRET CONVERSATIONS LIKE CONGRESSMEN DO.

OKAY? I HAVE NOT TALKED TO STEVE ABOUT THIS, AND WE'RE TRYING TO HAVE A DISCUSSION.

OKAY? AND SO WHEN YOU INTERRUPT IT, IT, IT'S EXTREMELY RUDE.

AND SO THIS IS HOW LAWS ARE MADE.

THIS IS HOW IDEAS ARE PRESENTED, AND THIS IS HOW THE, THE DEMOCRATIC PROCESS EVOLVES, IS SAYING, I BELIEVE THIS IS MORAL.

PEOPLE ELECTED ME BECAUSE I, I HAVE A VALUE SET AND A MORAL SET, AND I'M GOING TO STAND BY THESE.

THIS IS HOW LAWS ARE CHANGED.

AND WHEN YOU HAVE DIFFERENT MUNICIPALITIES MOVING IN DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS, UH, AND NO MUNICIPALITIES REPRESENTING THE OPPOSITE, ESPECIALLY IN A, IN, IN A MAJORITY BLUE STATE, UM, THERE NEEDS TO BE DISCUSSION OR ELSE THE OPPOSING SIDE IS NEVER HEARD.

AND SO THAT THIS IS, THIS IS THAT PROCESS.

AND I, AND I, I BELIEVE IT'S, AS LONG AS I'M IN THIS ROLE, I'M GOING TO STATE MY OPINION.

AND, AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT A RESOLUTION SAYS.

SO MY QUESTION IS, AM I HEARING YOU RIGHT? IN SAYING SOME, UH, GOVERNMENTS HAVE PLANTED A FLAG SAYING, WE WILL BE A SANCTUARY CITY.

WE WILL NOT COOPERATE.

WE WILL, UH, BLOCK, WE WILL IMPEDE.

AND YOU'RE SAYING THIS RESOLUTION IS JUST NEEDED TO PLANT THE FLAG, TO SAY, WE BELIEVE WE WILL COMPLY WITH FEDERAL IMMIGRATION LAW TO LEGAL EXTENT POSSIBLE.

IS THAT OF ALL, AM I HEARING THAT RIGHT? OF ALL THE, OF ALL THE COMMENTS? YEAH.

IN SHORT, YOU COULD SUMMARIZE IT LIKE THAT.

YEAH, YEAH.

UM, STEVE, WHY, WHY DO WE HAVE TO PLANT THAT FLAG? WHY DO WE HAVE TO MAKE AN EXAMPLE? WHY DO WE HAVE TO BE THAT FOR WHAT? FOR WHAT REASON? YOU DON'T HAVE TO, YOU, YOU CAN VOTE NO, BUT THAT'S WHAT YOU GUYS WANNA DO.

BUT YOU CAN VOTE NO.

WELL, YEAH.

SO THAT, AND THAT'S YOU'RE STATING YOUR, YOUR POSITION AND, AND EXACTLY.

BUT THAT, BUT THAT IS THE WHOLE POINT.

WE DON'T NEED TO BE HUNTINGTON BEACH.

WE DON'T NEED TO BE, WE DON'T NEED THE, WE DON'T NEED THE ATTENTION.

WE HAVE OUR OWN PROBLEMS. WE HAVE HOMELESSNESS THAT WE CAN'T EVEN SOLVE.

WE DON'T NEED TO HAVE, OH, LOOK AT EL CAJON, THEY'RE GONNA STAND UP.

SO WHAT, THAT'S YOUR OPINION.

EXACTLY.

IT IS MY OPINION.

SO I JUST DON'T THINK SO.

WHAT IF TOM HOLMAN SAYS THAT WE'VE GOTTA DO THIS.

LET TOM HOLMAN DO HIS JOB.

LET TRUMP DO HIS JOB.

YOU SAY IT'S NOT POLITICAL.

IT'S NOT POLITICAL.

BUT THE THING IS, YOU'VE GOT A WHOLE GROUP OF PEOPLE OUT HERE, AND YOU'VE GOT A WHOLE CITY.

SO WHAT IF 57% OF THE PEOPLE VOTED FOR TRUMP? I DON'T CARE.

YOU SHOULD CARE.

'CAUSE YOU REPRESENT THOSE PEOPLE.

I, YEAH, BUT THE THING IS, I REPRESENT THESE PEOPLE WHO DIDN'T VOTE FOR TRUMP.

I HAVE A VOTE.

AND THE THING IS, IS THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO, WE DON'T HAVE TO MAKE CAJON AN EXAMPLE.

SO IF I CAN JUST STOP, I'M ALRIGHT.

I'M DONE.

THIS IS STILL STEVE'S DIME HERE.

IIII, I HAVE A GUT FEELING I MIGHT BE THE SWING VOTE HERE, SO I NEED A LITTLE TIME.

I HAVE A GUT FEELING TOO.

TWO PEOPLE GOT TO DO THIS ONE.

HMM.

PRIOR TO THE VOTE.

YOU SHOULD BE AWARE THAT OUR MUNICIPAL CODE PROVIDES IT.

IF YOU ABSTAIN FROM A VOTE, AND IT'S NOT A DISQUALIFICATION, IT'S CONSIDERED AN AFFIRMATIVE VOTE.

VOTE IN THE AFFIRMATIVE.

SO AN ABSTENTION WITHOUT A DISQUALIFICATION WOULD BE AN I TO THIS MOTION.

I APPRECIATE THAT.

COMP THE INTENT IS TO COMPLY WITH SB 54, THEN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WILL BE DOING WHATEVER THEY'RE DOING RIGHT NOW ANYWAY.

NOW HERE'S THE QUESTION.

PROBABLY FOR A CITY ATTORNEY ALSO, UH, WE INTEND TO COMPLY WITH THE ENFORCEMENT OF FEDERAL IMMIGRATION LAW.

DO WE ENFORCE FEDERAL IMMIGRATION LAW? WE DON'T HAVE THE JURISDICTION OVER IMMIGRATION LAW.

WHAT WE DO HAVE, LISTEN, WE HAVE THE JURISDICTION GRANTED TO US, UH, BY THE, UH, PENAL CODE, BY THIS, UH, GOVERNMENT CODE, INCLUDING SB 54.

AND THERE ARE EXCEPTIONS TO THE THOU SHALT NOT BECOME INVOLVED.

BUT, UM, IF YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE

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RIGHT? RIGHT.

I, I GUESS FOR THE MAKERS OF THIS RESOLUTION, I'M COMING DOWN TO, I'M HEARING WE CAN'T DO IN THE, WE CAN'T REALLY DO ANYTHING TO ASSIST UNDER SB 54.

WE CAN'T ASSIST ICE IN ANYWAY.

THERE ARE SOME VERY LIMITED, UH, VERY, VERY LIMITED, UH, ACTIONS AND, BUT RELATED TO DETAINERS AND HOLD NOTICES AND TRANSFER NOTICES AND STUFF.

I, I, I GET THAT.

BUT, UH, SHOWING UP ON THE STREET, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY AUTHORITY, AS, AM I READING THAT RIGHT? WELL, YES, EXCEPT ONE OF THE KEY ONES IS ENFORCING OR DETAINING UPON REASONABLE SUSPICION THAT SOMEBODY'S AN ILLEGAL REENTRY.

SO, UH, SO IF THERE IS A, THE DEPARTMENT OFFICER FINDS OUT DURING THE COURSE OF THEIR, UH, ARREST OR INVESTIGATION OF SOMEBODY, THAT THIS IS SOMEBODY WHO'S ILLEGALLY REENTERED AFTER BEING TOLD YES TO, TO GO AND BEING DEPORTED, THEN THEY CAN COOPERATE WITH ICE TO TAKE CARE OF THAT INDIVIDUAL.

BUT IT HAS TO BE FOR AN AGGRAVATED FELONY, KEY WORDS, AGGRAVATED FELONY.

THAT'S WHY THEY WERE DEPORTED.

IT'S, IT'S LIKE THE ONE THING THAT WE CAN DO, WHICH IS, YEAH, IT'S UNDER THE US CODE.

AND, AND SO I, I GUESS MR. MAYOR AND PHIL, HERE'S, HERE'S WHAT I'M ASKING.

UH, THE CITY DECLARES THAT IT INTENT, ITS INTENT TO COMPLY WITH SB 54.

UH, FURTHER, THE CITY WILL NOT IMPEDE FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIALS OR BLOCK THEIR EFFORTS.

I, I JUST SAY, WELL, LET'S AGREE TO, TO ABIDE BY SB 54 AND LET'S AGREE NOT TO BLOCK THE FEDS.

WHAT, WHAT, WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT? THAT'S NOT THE INTENTION OF, OF WHY I DID THIS.

AND, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M, I'M HAPPY TO HAVE THE, I'M HONESTLY HAPPY TO HAVE THIS GO DOWN THE FEED, BUT THE, THE INTENTION OF THIS IS TO STATE, TO STATE THAT EL CAJON WILL REPRESENT THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE HERE, THEIR WISHES BY TELLING THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, WE INTEND TO, OUR INTENT IS TO, TO, TO COMPLY WITH YOU.

NOW, WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE ACTUALLY ABLE TO DO THAT, THAT'S GOING TO DEPEND ON ACTIONS THAT ARE HAPPENING AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL, AT THE STATE LEVEL, AT THE SUPREME COURT LEVEL.

IT, I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF MOVING PARTS IN THIS, BUT TO ME, I THINK THERE'S VALUE IN MAKING THE INTENTION.

I'M GONNA MAKE A SUBSTITUTE MOTION.

WE'LL SEE HOW THIS FLIES.

UH, I'M GONNA MOVE THAT WE MODIFY THE LANGUAGE.

DO WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO PUT IT UP ON THE SCREEN? DECLARATION OF INTENT? YES.

SO EVERYONE CAN SEE WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED.

I GUESS SINCE I DIDN'T HAVE A BUDDY TO WORK WITH ON THE COUNCIL, I GOTTA GO SOLO ON THIS ONE.

SEE IF I FIND A, A COUPLE OF TAKERS OR SOMETHING.

I'M LOOKING FOR A DECLARATION OF INTENT NUMBER ONE.

LET ME GET TO THAT PART.

A CLEAN VERSION.

OKAY, HERE WE GO.

SO THIS IS THE MODIFIED VERSION.

I THINK IT'S THAT SECTION RIGHT THERE.

IS THAT CORRECT? ALRIGHT.

YOU READY TO DO SOME CUTTING AND STUFF LIKE THAT? WELL, I'LL HAVE, I CAN'T DO IT ON THE COMPUTER WHILE IT'S IN, IN, UH, VIEWABLE MODE, BUT I CAN DO IT ON A PIECE OF PAPER.

AND THEN I'LL, THEN I'LL DO IT, AND THEN YOU CAN JUST ALL SEE IT TOGETHER.

UH, WITH REGARD TO FEDERAL IMMIGRATION LAW, THE CITY DECLARES ITS INTENT TO COMPLY WITH SB 54 PERIOD.

AND THEN THE LAST SENTENCE OF THAT THING FURTHER, THE CITY WILL NOT IMPEDE FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIALS OR BLOCK THEIR EFFORTS, AS HAVE BEEN SUGGESTED BY OTHER CALIFORNIA DISTRICT KNOWN AS SANCTUARY CITIES.

IT, IT'D ACTUALLY BE EASIER FOR ME.

CAN I GO OFFLINE? YES.

AND THEN TYPE THAT? YES.

SO I COULDN'T SUPPORT THAT, UH, BECAUSE THE, THE WHOLE PURPOSE IS TO MAKE THE INTENT THAT WE WILL, THAT WE WILL, UH, COMPLY WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENTS THAT, AND ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THEY, THAT THE SUPREMACY CLAUSE SAYS THAT, THAT UNITED STATES HAS SUPREMACY OVER THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA.

SO, OKAY.

IF, IF YOU COULD COMPROMISE ON THAT AND PUT THAT PART IN THERE, I COULD, I COULD WORK WITH THAT.

SAY THAT AGAIN.

THE ONE PHRASE THAT IN TO MY MIND IS A NON-NEGOTIABLE IS THAT THE CITY OF EL CAJON STATES HIS INTENT TO COOPERATE WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

I, I CAN'T GO THERE.

I, I GUESS, YOU KNOW, ONCE WE SEE IT ON THE SCREEN, WE'LL SEE IF I GET A SECOND.

WE'LL SEE IF IT, SO, MR. GOBEL, COULD YOU REREAD YOUR, YOUR YES.

WITH REGARDS TO FEDERAL IMMIGRATION LAW?

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WHOA, WHOA, WHOA.

HOLD ON.

I GOTTA GET TO THE RIGHT PLACE FIRST.

I'M SORRY.

BY THE WAY, AT MTS, WE DO THIS QUITE A BIT WITH, WITH 15 BOARD MEMBERS AT MTS, UH, THERE'S MORE OPINIONS THAN THERE ARE WITH FIVE COUNCIL MEMBERS.

STEVE CAN, UM, ARE, IS YOUR REVISIONS FOR THE ENTIRE FIRST PARAGRAPH ON THE ORIGINAL INTENT, OR NO? NO.

CAN YOU CLARIFY THAT? HE'S GONNA TYPE IT.

SO I HAVE, WITH REGARD TO FEDERAL IMMIGRATION LAW, THE CITY TO DECLARES ITS INTENT OKAY.

TO COMPLY WITH FEDERAL AND STATE LAWS.

HOW'S THAT? THAT'S WHAT IT'S SAYING NOW, THOUGH.

I, I, I, I, WHAT'S THE POINT OF EVEN SAYING THAT? I, IT'S, WE'RE SAYING NOW.

UH, WITH REGARD TO FEDERAL IMMIGRATION, THE CITY DECLARES ITS INTENT TO COMPLY WITH SB 54.

IT'S THE SAME.

I UNDERSTAND.

IT'S THE SAME.

I AM PROPOSING SOMETHING TO AND TO COMPLY WITH SB 54.

WITH REGARD TO FEDERAL IMMIGRATION LAW.

THE CITY DECLARES ITS INTENT TO COMPLY WITH SB 54.

PERIOD.

LET ME KNOW WHEN YOU'RE READY FOR MORE.

I'M READY FOR MORE.

FURTHER, THE CITY WILL NOT IMPEDE FEDERAL LAW, LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIALS OR BLOCK THEIR EFFORTS, AS HAVE BEEN SUGGESTED BY OTHER CALIFORNIA JURISDICTIONS KNOWN AS SANCTUARY CITIES.

PERIOD.

I THINK THAT'S REASONABLE.

WE'LL FIND OUT.

I'M TRYING NOT TO GET OUR POLICE STUCK IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS STUFF.

UNDER COMMENT, OUR POLICE ARE ABSOLUTELY STRETCHED TO THE LIMIT.

I'VE BEEN ON RIDE-ALONGS AND I JUST PRETTY MUCH SIT IN THE CAR AND I'M EXHAUSTED AT THE END OF EIGHT HOURS.

THOSE POLICE ARE GOING AND THEY, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES THEY'RE TWO HOURS BEHIND AND, YOU KNOW, SOME WIFE IS GETTING BEAT UP OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

THEY DON'T HAVE A EXTRA MINUTE IN THE DAY TO HANDLE IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT.

I, I THINK, UH, YOU KNOW, BY SAYING, WELL, INTENT TO COMPLY WITH SB 54, THAT COMES WITH ALL THE RIGHTS, PRIVILEGES, RESTRICTIONS, AND LIMITATIONS.

SO, COUNSEL, I LEFT NUMBER ONE IN THERE AS THE CONTEXT OF THE REFERENCE, BUT WHAT I THINK MR. GOEBBELS SUGGESTING IS THAT NUMBER TWO, REPLACE THE NUMBER ONE.

THAT'S WHAT I'M SUGGESTING.

I HAVE MADE A SUBSTITUTE MOTION WITH REGARD, WITH REGARD TO, TO, TO NUMBER TWO, MOTION'S ON THE TABLE.

WELL, WHAT DO WE DO WITH THE ORIGINAL MOTION? THIS SUBSTITUTE MOTION SECEDES SUPERSEDES.

I'LL SECOND THAT.

ALL, ANY MORE DISCUSSION, PHIL? HOLD ON.

AND THE REST OF THE, UH, RESOLUTION WOULD STAND AS, AS, UH, STATED.

THE WAY I UNDERSTAND IS PARAGRAPH THAT SHOWS UP AS NUMBER TWO WOULD REPLACE NUMBER ONE AND EVERYTHING ELSE WOULD STAY THE SAME.

SO YOU WANT SOMETHING IN THERE ABOUT, WELL, WE SAID, UH, REQUEST FOR GUIDANCE.

WHAT, WHAT, WHAT'S YOUR THOUGHT? WHAT CAN WE DISCUSS THIS TRUE? YEAH.

I, I DON'T KNOW.

I MEAN, I, I THINK STEVE, STEVE UNDERSTANDS WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO.

I I THINK HE DISAGREES WITH IT.

AND UNLESS YOU THINK THERE'S, THERE'S A WAY TO SPLIT THE BABY HERE, WHAT WOULD YOU SUGGEST, STEVE? WELL, YOU KNOW, I, I DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING AGAINST WHAT, WHAT MICHELLE AND GARY WROTE.

I THINK THAT'S ALL NICE.

THAT'S ALL FINE.

THE, THE, THE, THE ONLY PART OF THIS THAT MAKES ANY SENSE AT ALL IS, IS TO SAY, IN MY MIND, TO SAY THAT, THAT WE STAND AGAINST, UM, OR NO, I SAY WE STAND IN FAVOR, UH, OF SU OF SUPPORTING THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT'S RIGHT.

TO ASSERT THE LAW THAT THEY HAVE THAT IS ON THE BOOKS.

THAT, THAT IT'S, IT'S AN AMERICAN LAW.

SEE, CA CALIFORNIA, SB 54 IS CIRCUMVENTING AMERICAN LAW.

AND SO I, I THINK THAT, THAT WE NEED TO TAKE A STAND FOR THE CITIZENS OF AND SAYING, WE UNDERSTAND THAT THAT SB 54 IS THE LAW AND WE CAN'T CHANGE THAT, BUT WE THINK IT'S WRONG.

AND, AND WE THINK, WE THINK, WE THINK THAT FEDERAL GOVERNMENT SHOULD BE SUPREME.

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THE CITY WILL CONTINUE TO REQUEST ADDITIONAL CLARIFICATION AND GUIDANCE FROM THE AGS OFFICE REGARDING PARAMETERS OF COOPERATION WITH FEDERAL IMMIGRATION AUTHORITIES UNDER THE, AND POTENTIAL CONFLICTS OF LAW.

DOES THAT OKAY.

ANSWER THAT QUESTION.

I'VE GOT A SUGGESTION.

HOW ABOUT THIS? UM, CITY OF EL CAJON STATES ITS INTENTION TO COOPERATE WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT REGARDING IMMIGRATION LAW.

HOWEVER, WE FULLY UNDERSTAND THAT SB 54 MAKES THAT UNACCEPTABLE TO CALIFORNIA LAW.

AND WE WILL WAIT FOR THIS TO, TO, UH, PLACE IN THE COURTS.

I, I I, THE WORD COOPERATE WITH THE FEDERAL IS, UH, THAT, THAT OPENS TOO MANY DOORS FOR ME.

I THINK, I THINK THIS IS CLEAN.

I THINK IT, IT, IT, IT'S CLEAR, BUT IT N IT NEUTERED THE, THE ENTIRE THING.

NOT REALLY.

IT'S SAYING WE'RE NOT GONNA GET IN THE WAY OF, OF SOMEBODY COMING INTO THE TOWN AND TAKING OUT OF, OF BAD GUY WITH, THROUGH AN ARREST.

SANCTUARY CITIES WILL SAY, HEY, WE'RE GONNA BLOCK YOU.

WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA INTERFERE WITH YOU AND DO ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.

THIS IS SAYING, WE ARE GOING TO LET YOU DO YOUR JOB.

AS ROB BONTA HAS SAID, LET THEM DO THEIR JOB.

I, I'M SORRY.

I THINK IT SENDS THE WRONG MESSAGE.

I THINK, I THINK IT, I I THINK IT SENDS AN ACQUIESCENCE MESSAGE.

I DON'T THINK IT'S ACQUIESCENT, BUT, WE'LL, WE'LL, THAT'S WHAT THE VOTE'S FOR, I SUPPOSE.

PHIL, PHIL, ANYTHING FROM YOU? OR SHOULD WE JUST VOTE? YEAH, I, THE CITY OF EL CAJON DECLARES ITS INTENT WITH REGARD TO IMMIGRATION LAW TO COMPLY WITH SB 54.

FURTHER, THE CITY WILL NOT IMPEDE.

SO, STEVE, YOUR, YOUR PROBLEM, YOUR ISSUE IN ALL OF THIS IS STATING EL CAJONS C COM COMMITMENT TO WHATEVER DEGREE LEGALLY POSSIBLE TO WORKING WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

UH, PROBABLY, I THINK I'M HEARING YOU RIGHT.

IT, IT'S, IT'S THAT WE'RE GONNA DECLARE OUR INTENT TO COOPERATE, WORK WITH, UH, ASSIST WITH FEDERAL IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT.

AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S, IT'S ALREADY COVERED UNDER SB 54, WHAT WE CAN AND CANNOT DO.

SOLE PURPOSE.

AND SO YOU, SO LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION THEN.

IS YOUR, UH, DESIRE NO, NOT DESIRE WITH REGARD TO THE SUPREMACY CLAUSE? I, I, I FIRMLY BELIEVE THAT ONLY THE UNITED STATES GO FEDERAL GOVERNMENT CAN, CAN CREATE THESE LAWS.

AND THAT, AND THAT STOPPING THAT BY STATE LAWS IS, IS IN CONTRADICTION OF THE SUPREMACY CLAUSE.

AND SO IT SEEMS LIKE THE, THE FEAR OR THE CONCERN IS MORE WARRANTED ON THE STATE SIDE THAN THE FEDERAL SIDE.

I I, IF IT HADN'T GONE TO THE NINTH CIRCUIT AND THE SUPREME COURT, I WOULD TEND TO AGREE WITH YOU.

IT HADN'T BEEN BATTLE TESTED, BUT IT'S, IT'S NOT GONE TO THE SUPREME COURT.

IT HASN'T GONE, IT HASN'T GONE TO THE SUPREME COURT.

I'M SORRY.

IT WAS, IT WENT FOR A, A, UH, REVIEW AND THEY DECIDED NOT TO TAKE THE CASE.

I'VE, YEAH.

AND I, AND WITH TWO NEW JUSTICES, THERE'S ONE ON EACH SIDE.

SO I DON'T ANTICIPATE A CHANGE THEM TO THEM TO HEAR IT AGAIN.

BUT I THINK THAT CONCERN IS COVERED IN NUMBER FIVE, THAT WE WANT, UH, TO REQUEST ADDITIONAL CLARIFICATION AND GUIDANCE FROM THE CALIFORNIA AGS OFFICE.

MIGHT EVEN PUT IN THEIR US ATTORNEY'S, UH, GENERAL AS WELL, REGARDING THE LEGAL PARAMETERS OF COOPERATION WITH FEDERAL IMMIGRATION AUTHORITIES AND POTENTIAL CONFLICTS WITH FEDERAL LAW.

THINK THE DECLARATION, AND I'M EVEN OKAY WITH ADDING ALL, ALL OF MICHELLE AND, UH, GARY'S, WHEREAS IS I DON'T, I HAVE NO PROBLEM ADDING ANY OF THOSE WEAR AS IS, UM, IN THE BEGINNING OF THEIR PROPOSED RESOLUTION.

I'D PROBABLY ADD, UH, US ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE TO NUMBER FIVE ALSO, RATHER THAN JUST LEAN ON THE CALIFORNIA AG ALONE.

MY, I I, SO STEVE, WHERE I DEPART FROM YOUR POINT OF VIEW IS GIVING DEFERENCE TO THE STATE OVER THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

I, I'M NOT GIVING DEFERENCE TO THE STATE, UM, BECAUSE I'M TELLING, I I'M JUST, IT, IT'S THE LAW.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO, WHAT TO SAY.

UH, I'M NOT SAYING WE SHOULDN'T OVERTURN SB 54.

UH, 'CAUSE THERE'S PARTS OF IT THAT DON'T MAKE SENSE.

UH, BUT I'M SAYING FOR NOW, UH, WE'LL COMPLY WITH THIS, WITH THE LAW.

WE, WE TOOK AN OATH TO COMP FOLLOW THE LAW.

BOTH, BOTH, BOTH CONSTITUTIONS, .

SO WHERE WOULD YOU PUT THE US CONSTITUTION IN HERE? I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE ADDED.

I THINK IT'S BEEN REMOVED.

PROPOSE SOME LANGUAGE FOR ME, I, I

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I'M FINE ADDING THOSE.

BUT KEEPING THE FIRST DECLARATION OF INTENT, I THINK, IS MY MICROPHONE.

UM, KEEPING THE FIRST DECLARATION OF INTENT.

I, THE WAY IT IS, I THINK IS, IS APPROPRIATE.

SO WE INTEND TO COMPLY WITH THE ENFORCEMENT OF FEDERAL.

WE DON'T HAVE THE JURISDICTION TO, BUT, BUT, BUT COMPLY WITH ENFORCEMENT IS WHAT I, WE DO TO THE EXTENT OF 54.

AND THAT'S WHAT IT'S SAYING.

SO I THINK WE'RE ALL BEING VERY TRANSPARENT IN, IN, IN THE, IN THE WAY WE'RE GOING TO VOTE.

SO, YEAH, YOU KNOW, THIS IS ABOUT PUBLIC SAFETY.

TO ME.

IT, IT'S NOT ABOUT BIDEN.

IT'S NOT ABOUT TRUMP.

IT'S ABOUT JUST LET, JUST LIKE 20 SPEAKERS SAID, IT'S ABOUT PUBLIC SAFETY.

AND THAT'S WHAT I'M, THAT'S WHERE I'M TRYING TO LAND WITHOUT A LOT OF OTHER DISTRACTIONS.

WITHOUT TRYING TO BE TOO ARGUMENTATIVE, THOUGH, WOULDN'T IT BE BETTER FOR PUBLIC SAFETY TO HAVE TO HAVE MORE ACTION TAKEN IN GETTING DATERS PEOPLE OFF OUR STREETS? IF IT, IF IT'S REALLY ABOUT PUBLIC SAFETY, WOULDN'T THAT BE THE MOST SAFE THING TO POSSIBLY DO? IS WHEN WE ENCOUNTER SOMEBODY WHO'S A VENEZUELAN GANG MEMBER, WHO'S COMMITTED CRIMES TO, TO GET THEM OFF THE STREETS IF POSSIBLE, AND DO WHATEVER WE COULD TO DO THAT, WOULDN'T THAT BE THE BEST FOR PUBLIC SAFETY? ABSOLUTELY.

NOW, HOW DO WE DO THAT LAWFULLY BY COMPLIANCE WITH, AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE PROBLEM.

WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA CATCH 22.

WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING LAWFULLY.

THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WANTS US TO DO THINGS.

AND IF WE DON'T HELP THEM, THEY'RE SAYING WE'RE NOT FOLLOWING THE LAW.

AND THE, THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA, IT SAYS, IF YOU DO HELP THEM, YOU ARE NOT FOLLOWING THE LAW.

SO A CITY LIKE EL CAJON, WHO HA, WHO DOESN'T HAVE ANY ABILITY TO MAKE IMMIGRATION POLICY OR MAKE LAWS AT ALL, IS BEING TOLD BY TWO DIFFERENT ENTITIES THAT BOTH, YOU, YOU MUST COMPLY WITH BOTH OF US, OR YOU'RE IN VIOLATION OF THE LAW.

SO I THINK SAYING IT'S OUR INTENTION TO FOLLOW THE LAW.

WHY DON'T WE JUST DO THAT, INTERPRET IT THE WAY YOU WANT.

IT IS OUR INTENTION TO FOLLOW THE LAW.

WHY WOULD BE AGAINST IN FOLLOWING THE LAW? IT'S HARD.

IT'S HARD FOR ME TO GET THAT.

UM, I, I, I, I ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THERE ARE, UH, OPPOSING POINTS OF VIEW AT THE STATE AND THE FEDERAL LEVEL.

WE, WE ABSOLUTELY KNOW THAT.

I'M JUST TRYING TO STAY OUT OF THAT FIGHT AND SAYING, LET US KNOW WHEN YOU SOLVE IT.

AND THAT'S, AND THAT MIGHT BE THE END OF IT.

I I, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHERE TO GO FROM THERE.

I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S MY, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT TO, IF YOU WANNA MASSAGE SOME OF THE LANGUAGE AND JUST SAY, UH, AS ALWAYS, IT IS OUR INTENTION TO FOLLOW, FOLLOW FEDERAL LAW WITHOUT EVEN MENTIONING IMMIGRATION.

I CAN LIVE WITH THAT.

BUT IF, IF, IF, UM, IF WE'RE GONNA TAKE THE SIDE OF SB 54 IN THIS, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A MISTAKE.

RIGHT? I, I, I DON'T LIKE THINGS ABOUT SB 50.

I DON'T LIKE THAT WE CAN'T, UH, UH, SHARE SOME INFORMATION ABOUT DANGEROUS PEOPLE.

BUT APPARENTLY IT'S TOO MUDDY BECAUSE IN SOME OTHER PLACES, UH, PEOPLE ARE REALLY BEING HARMED.

AND IT, THERE'S JUST SO MANY DIFFERENT WEEDS THAT GO OFF FROM THIS THING THAT I DON'T WANT TO, I, I, I JUST DON'T LET THE, LET THE STATE AND THE FEDS FIGHT IT OUT AND LET ME CONCENTRATE ON SERVE AND PROTECT.

YAY.

WELL, I, I'M JUST TRYING TO, THAT THAT'S WHAT MY LANGUAGE IS TRYING TO, OKAY.

WELL, I THINK AT SOME POINT, WE, PHIL, UNLESS YOU HAVE ANY OTHER IDEAS, I THINK WE HAVE TO VOTE.

NO, NO, I, I'VE, I APPRECIATE YOUR, YOUR COMMENTS, STEVE, AND, AND YOUR THOUGHTFULNESS ABOUT THIS.

AND, UH, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S TAKING THIS LIGHTLY.

BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, I, I BELIEVE IN THE SUPREMACY CLAUSE WITH ARTICLE ONE, SECTION EIGHT OF THE CONSTITUTION, WHICH GIVES THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT VERY LIMITED POWERS.

BUT ONE OF THOSE IS FEDERAL IMMIGRATION.

SO I'M OF THE MINDSET THAT I WOULD GIVE DEFERENCE TO, TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

PHIL, PHIL, CAN YOU SPEAK IN YOUR MIC, PLEASE? I, SORRY.

I, I APPRECIATE YOU BEING THOUGHTFUL, STEVE.

UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE'RE ALL TAKING THIS VERY SERIOUSLY.

I, AND, BUT I

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BELIEVE THAT AS A CITY, WE GIVE DEFERENCE TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT BECAUSE IN ARTICLE ONE, SECTION EIGHT OF THE CONSTITUTION THAT SAYS THE EXPLICIT, EXPLICIT, UH, JURISDICTION OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, AND IMMIGRATION IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS.

AND SO, IF WE'RE GONNA GIVE DEFERENCE TO ANYBODY, I BELIEVE IT SHOULD BE FOLLOWING THE CONSTITUTION THROUGH ARTICLE ONE, SECTION EIGHT, AND NOT A STATE LAW, WHICH STATE LAWS, UM, ARE PUTTING THEIR NOSE INTO IMMIGRATION LAW, WHICH IS FEDERAL LAW CON OH YEAH, SORRY.

STATE LAW IS PUTTING, PUTTING THEIR NOSE INTO FEDERAL LAW.

AND ARTICLE ONE, SECTION EIGHT CLEARLY SAYS THAT IF IT'S, IT'S NOT EXPLICITLY WRITTEN IN ARTICLE SECTION EIGHT, THAT ARTICLE ONE, SECTION EIGHT OF THE CONSTITUTION FOR FEDERAL JURISDICTION, THEN THE REST IS GIVEN TO THE STATES.

THAT'S, UM, THAT'S THE 13TH AMENDMENT.

AND THIS, THIS STATE GOVERNMENT IS OVERSTEPPING THEIR JURISDICTION BY CREATING LAWS AROUND IMMIGRATION.

AND SO, IF I'M GOING TO GIVE DEFERENCE TO ANY BODY OF GOVERNMENT THE WAY IT WAS STRUCTURED, IT'S GOING TO BE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, 'CAUSE IT'S EXPLICITLY LISTED THERE.

NOW, THAT BEING SAID, I DON'T WANNA GET IN A POSITION WHERE WE'RE GETTING SUED BY EVERY GOVERNMENT ABOVE US, THE COUNTY, THE STATE, FEDERAL, AND SO, BUT I'M GONNA GIVE DEFERENCE IN MY VOTE TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, BECAUSE THAT'S, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT'S, UH, JURISDICTION IS VERY LIMITED IN SCOPE, AND IT'S GROWN WAY BIGGER THAN IT SHOULD BE.

BUT ONE OF ITS CORE FUNCTIONS IS IMMIGRATION.

AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS BECAUSE IF WE HAD 50 STATES COMING UP WITH THEIR OWN IMMIGRATION POLICIES AND THEIR OWN IMMIGRATION STANDARDS, IT WOULD BE CHAOS.

AND SO THERE'S THERE THAT IS, THAT IS THE REASON WHY WE HAVE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OVER ALL OF IMMIGRATION.

AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE I LAND.

AND ONE, ONE EXEMPLIFIES THAT MORE THAN TWO.

BUT I AM GIVING SOME ROOM FOR SB 54, UM, BY STILL COM LEGAL EXTENT PERMISSIBLE UNDER SB 54.

BUT I, I'M SORRY, I CANNOT SUPPORT THE SUBVERSION OF FEDERAL, FEDERAL IMMIGRATION POLICY, SUPREME SUPREMACY CLAUSE, UM, AND GIVE DEFERENCE TO THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA.

I WILL NOT THAT, LET ME, LET ME PROPOSE SOME ADDED LANGUAGE TO SEE IF THAT CAN HELP YOU WITH REGARD TO FEDERAL IMMIGRATION LAW.

THE CITY DECLARES ITS INTENT TO COMPLY WITH SB 54 WHILE ASKING THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE FOR CLARIFICATION ON THE S SUPREMACY CLAUSE OF THE US CONSTITUTION.

YEAH, BUT WE HAVE ALREADY WE ADDED THAT.

YEAH, WE'VE DONE THAT.

IT'S IN THERE.

I I'M, I'M NOT GONNA GIVE DEFERENCE.

NO, IT'S NOT IN THERE.

IT, BUT IT, IT, I BELIEVE IT IS.

I BELIEVE THAT THE DEFERENCE IN THE FIRST, UH, IN DECLARATION OF INTENT, THE FIRST DRAFT OF IT GIVES DEFERENCE TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

AND I, I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA SIDE WITH THE US CONSTITUTION IN, IN THE VERY LIMITED FORMS. THE WHOLE REASON I THINK OUR COUNTRY'S OUT OF WHACK IS BECAUSE OF FEDERAL GOVERNMENT'S POWER HAS GONE TOO, TOO FAR AND WIDE.

AND, BUT IN THIS NARROW SCOPE, THIS IS WHAT THEY DO.

AND I THINK IT'S MORAL AND JUST, I, I, UH, AGREE WITH A LOT OF THAT.

IT'S, IT'S COMPLY WITH THE ENFORCEMENT OF FEDERAL IMMIGRATION IS WHERE I'M STUCK.

AND IF, AND THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE, IF YOU COULD, BUT THE, THE WORD THERE IS INTENT.

IT, IT'S NOT THAT WE'RE GOING TO, IT'S OUR INTENT.

BUT YOU CAN HAVE AN INTENT TO DO SOMETHING AND STILL HOLD, STILL HOLD BACK FROM DOING IT UNTIL, UNTIL YOU'RE AUTHORIZED TO DO IT.

BUT THEN IT'S LIKE, WELL, WHY EVEN SAY IT IF YOU DON'T REALLY, BECAUSE, BECAUSE IT, IT TAKES A STAND.

'CAUSE THIS IS WHAT THE PEOPLE OF ALCOHOL WANT.

FEDERAL LAW, SB 54 LAW.

UH, I'M GONNA OFFER, UH, SOME CONCILIATORY LANGUAGE TO SEE IF IT WILL GET US ACROSS THE FINISH LINE.

WITH REGARD TO FEDERAL IMMIGRATION LAW.

THE CITY DECLARES ITS INTENT TO COMPLY WITH SB 54 WHILE ASKING FOR GUIDANCE FROM THE US ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE ON THE US SUPREMACY CLAUSE THAT DO ANYTHING FOR ANYBODY? I DON'T BELIEVE.

NO, I WOULDN'T.

I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WE NEED TO ASK.

IF ANYTHING, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WE NEED TO ASK.

SO YES, WE NEED TO ASK.

I BELIEVE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, STEVE, IS RIGHT, THAT BONTA, UH, ATTORNEY GENERAL BONTA NEEDS TO JUSTIFY LEGALLY WHY THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA CAN MAKE IMMIGRATION LAW AND, AND, AND CHANGE IT, AND TWIST IT TO, TO PROVIDE DIFFERENT OUTCOMES.

I AGREE WITH THAT.

BUT THEY ARE NOT THE ULTIMATE AUTHORITY IN THIS.

IT IS THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT THAT IS.

AND SO, I, I, THAT DOESN'T DO, THAT DOESN'T DO ANYTHING FOR ME.

I, I, I AGREE.

BUT UNTIL, UNTIL THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TAKES IT, TRIES TO TAKE IT BACK THROUGH THE COURT SYSTEM, I, IT, IT IS WHAT IT IS.

I, I GUESS THERE, THERE'S THE LANGUAGE.

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AND, UH, I, I APPRECIATE YOU, STEVE.

I JUST, I I HEAR YOU.

I CAN'T, I CAN'T SUPPORT I HEAR YOU.

AND I JUST WANNA SAY SOMETHING LIKE, WE ALL HAVE TO WORK TOGETHER AS A COUNCIL BEYOND THIS.

I'LL TELL YOU, MY LAST SENTENCE IS REALLY, MY, MY CRUX IS I WANT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO COME IN HERE TO GET THOSE 650,000 PEOPLE OUT OF AMERICA.

THEY'RE DANGEROUS.

WE WANT THEM OUT OF OUR COUNTRY.

YOU'RE HERE ILLEGALLY.

YOU'VE COMMITTED MURDER, YOU'VE COMMITTED RAPE, YOU'VE COMMITTED SEX CRIMES.

YOU'VE GOTTA GO.

THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT THE SECOND HALF OF THAT NUMBER TWO IS, BECAUSE THAT IS, IF THEY'RE IN OUR CITY, COME PLEASE.

BUT BY, BUT BY ACKNOWLEDGING COOPERATION WITH SB 54, YOU ARE TAKING THE EXACT OPPOSITE TAKE OF THAT YOU, YOU, YOU ARE, YOU ARE ENCOURAGING OPEN BORDERS AND NO, NO ACCOUNTABILITY FOR IMMIGRATION.

NO, NOT IN THE, NOT IN THE LEAST.

WELL, I, THAT'S WHY I, THAT IS WHY I COULDN'T, I, I COULDN'T VOTE FOR ANYTHING THAT, THAT SAID.

WE ACKNOWLEDGE SB 54 BECAUSE THAT, BUT THE FIRST ONE SAYS TO THE LEGAL EXTENT, PERMISSIBLE UNDER SB 54.

WELL, THAT'S NOT AGNO, THAT'S NOT ACKNOWLEDGING, BUT OKAY.

THE, THE, THE PREDICATE, THE, THE, THE, OKAY, THE FIRST SENTENCE TO ME WOULD BE, IT IS OUR INTENT TO COOPERATE WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

WE, IF YOU WANNA SAY WITH FULL KNOWLEDGE THAT SB 54, IT, IT, YOU KNOW, STANDS IN OPPOSITION TO IT.

AND WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING FOR CLARIFICATION FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT THAT AS TO HOW TO DEAL WITH THAT.

THAT'S FINE WITH ME.

LAY AND GENTLEMEN, I KNOW THIS IS A LONG PROCESS.

I KNOW YOU'RE TIRED, BUT WITH REGARD TO FEDERAL IMMIGRATION LAW, THE CITY DECLARES ITS INTENT TO COMPLY WITH FEDERAL AND STATE LAW.

IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? SAY IT AGAIN PLEASE.

WITH REGARD TO FEDERAL IMMIGRATION LAW, THE CITY DECLARES ITS INTENT TO COMPLY WITH ALL FEDERAL AND STATE LAWS.

IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? NO, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.

I, WHAT I WOULD SAY, UH, YOU CAN PUT IN BETTER LANGUAGE IF YOU WANT, IN REGARD TO FEDERAL IMMIGRATION POLICY, IS THE INTENT OF THE CITY OF EL CAJON TO COOPERATE WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENTS WITH THE FULL KNOWLEDGE THAT SB 54 STANDS IN OPPOSITION TO THAT.

AND THAT THAT ISSUE HAS TO BE RESOLVED.

I, I DON'T, IT'S THE WORD COOPERATE.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE, WHAT WE CAN WORK TOGETHER ON.

UM, WELL, YEAH, I MEAN, CO COOPERATE IS IN THE NATURAL COURSE OF OUR POLICE OFFICER'S, POLICE WORK.

UM, AND SOME, SOME ILLEGAL IMMIGR.

GO AHEAD.

I I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

TO ME, THE WORD COOPERATE CAN, CAN HAVE MULTIPLE MEANINGS.

IT, IT, IT CAN HAVE THE MEANING OF, OF PHYSICALLY HAVING OUR POLICE OFFICERS CALL ICE.

WE CAN'T DO THAT YET BECAUSE SB 54, BUT WE CAN, WE CAN COOPERATE IN EVERY WAY WE POSSIBLY CAN TO ADVANCE THE IDEA THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT SHOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO COME IN AND COORDINATE WITH OUR POLICE TO GET THESE PEOPLE OUT HERE.

I, I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

I THINK NOW WE'RE GETTING INTO IMMIGRATION POLICY, NATIONAL IMMIGRATION POLICY, AND I'M JUST MORE OF A PURIST OF TRYING TO JUST STATE, PROTECT AND SERVE AND, AND, AND THE LOCAL STUFF.

IF, IF THERE'S LANGUAGE ABOUT NATIONAL POLICY, I THINK IT BELONGS SOMEWHERE ELSE.

I AGREE WITH STEVE.

SO I THINK WE'VE HASHED IT OUT ENOUGH.

THAT'S FINE.

THERE'S A MOTION ON THE TABLE.

THERE'S A SECOND.

IT'S, THIS IS THE SUBSTITUTE MOTION MADE BY STEVE.

THERE WE'RE VOTING ON THE SUBSTITUTE, PLEASE.

WE WERE VOTING ON THE SUBSTITUTE MOTION MADE BY STEVE.

EXCUSE ME, MAYOR, WAS THERE A CHANGE TO THAT MOTION BASED ON ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE THAT, OH, THANK YOU.

NO, IT'S, IT'S AS POSTED ON THE SCREEN, BUT ALSO, HOWEVER, ITEM FIVE, YES.

I WANTED TO ADD THE US ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE.

DOES MR. KENDRICK AGREE WITH THAT? YES.

LET'S GO DO THREE, TWO.

ALRIGHT, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, YOU'VE SEEN DEMOCRACY IN ACTION MOTION FAILS BY A TWO THREE VOTE WITH MAYOR WELLS, COUNCIL MEMBER ORTIZ AND METRO VOTING, NO.

OKAY, SO WE'RE BACK TO BILL'S MOTION.

STEVE'S MOTION FAIL.

MAYOR, I NEED YOUR VOTE, PLEASE.

OH, THIS MOTION FAILED.

YEAH, THIS MOTION FAILED.

WE'RE BACK TO BILL'S ORIGINAL MOTION.

OH, .

OKAY, THEN MY MOTION IS ON THE TABLE.

I HAVE A SECOND.

PLEASE VOTE.

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I, I VOTED.

IT SAYS IT'S, IT'S LIT.

YOU WANNA RESET IT? YEAH.

AND FOR THE, EXCUSE US, WE HAVE A QUIET TO BE FOLLOWED PEOPLE, WE NEED TO FINISH THE MEETING.

YOU'RE WELCOME TO STAY.

IF YOU COULD BE QUIET, BUT YOU CAN ALSO GO OUTSIDE AND WE'LL BE DONE IN A FEW MINUTES.

MAYOR, FOR THE RECORD.

THIS MOTION FAILS WITH COUNCIL MEMBER KENDRICK.

GO AND METRO VOTING.

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, DO YOU WANT ME TO REPEAT IT? WE HAVE A QUIET, THE COURT NEEDS TO ANNOUNCE A VOTE.

QUIET.

OKAY, WE'RE GONNA TAKE A FREE MINUTE BREAK.

UH, PEACE.

CLEAR THE ROOM AGAIN, SIR, FOR THE RECORD, THE MOTION FAILS WITH COUNCIL MEMBER KENDRICK GOUL AND MITCHELL VOTING NO.

ALL RIGHT.

COUNCIL MEMBERS, I'D LIKE TO CONTINUE AT THE MEETING PLEASE.

IT'S JUST A, A LITTLE PERFUNCTORY THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO DO.

UM, I CAN GO OFF, WE CAN DO, THERE ARE NO COMMISSION REPORTS ON TODAY'S

[13. Council Activity Report]

AGENDA.

ITEM 13 IS MY ACTIVITY REPORT.

I HAVE ACTIVITY REPORT OF COUNCIL MEMBERS, COUNCIL MEMBER GO AS REPORTED, ORTIZ AS REPORTED METRO AS REPORTED KENDRICK AS REPORTED.

HAVE A SECOND READING AND ADOPTION ORDINANCES ON TODAY'S AGENDA.

THERE ARE NO JOINT COUNCIL MEMBER REPORTS, NO GENERAL INFORMATION ITEMS, NO FIRST READINGS OR ORDINANCES ON TODAY'S AGENDA.

[18. Amendments to the El Cajon Municipal Code - Title 16 and Title 17, and Specific Plan No. 182 RECOMMENDATION: That Mayor Wells requests the City Clerk to recite the titles. An Ordinance Amending Chapter 16.12 of the El Cajon Municipal Code Addressing Ministerial Approval of Certain Subdivisions. An Ordinance Approving an Amendment to Title 17 of the El Cajon Municipal Code (Zoning Code) for Housing and Commercial Land Uses, and Other Minor Technical Changes, Revisions, and Edits. An Ordinance Approving an Amendment to Specific Plan No. 182 to Allow Additional On-Sale Only Alcoholic Beverage Establishments, Adding Requirements for Decorative Lighting, and Prohibiting Animated or Flashing Signs Including Light Ropes, and Other Non-Substantive Changes Including Clarifying Retail Merchandise Window Display Requirements. The proposed updates are exempt from the provisions of the California Environmental Quality Act (“CEQA”) according to the common sense exemption (State CEQA Guidelines, section 15061(b)(3)). The common sense exemption applies where it can be seen with certainty that there is no possibility that the activity in question may have a significant effect on the environment. The proposed amendment does not result in any development or changes to the physical environment and does not raise this project to a level of significance that warrants CEQA analysis.]

ITEM EIGHTEENS FOR AMENDMENTS TO THE OKLAHOMA MUNICIPAL CODE FOR TITLE 16, TITLE 17, SB 180 2 I CITY CLERK TO READ THE TITLE.

BUT FIRST ANZA, ARE THERE ANY SPEAKER CARDS FOR THIS ITEM? NO, SIR.

NO CARDS.

WOULD YOU, UH, READ THE ORDINANCES THEN? YES.

THE FIRST TITLE IS AN ORDINANCE AMENDING CHAPTER 16.12 OF THE OKLAHOMA MUNICIPAL CODE ADDRESSING MINISTERIAL APPROVAL OF CERTAIN SUBDIVISIONS, AN ORDINANCE APPROVING AN AMENDMENT TO TITLE 17 OF THE ALCOHOL MUNICIPAL CODE ZONING CODE FOR HOUSING AND COMMERCIAL LAND USES AND OTHER MINOR TECHNICAL CHANGES, REVISIONS AND EDITS.

AND AN ORDINANCE APPROVING AN AMENDMENT TO SPECIFIC PLAN NUMBER 180 2 TO ALLOW ADDITIONAL ON SALE ONLY ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE ESTABLISHMENTS, ADDING REQUIREMENTS FOR DECORATIVE LIGHTING AND PROVI PROHIBITING ANIMATED OR FLASHING SIGNS INCLUDING LIGHT ROPES AND OTHER NON-SUBSTANTIVE CHANGES INCLUDING CLARIFYING RETAIL MERCHANDISE WINDOW DISPLAY REQUIREMENTS.

UM, ARE WE GONNA DO CLOSED SESSION? WE DO HAVE ONE ITEM.

WELL, YOU NEED A MOTION TO ADOPT THE SECOND, THE ORDINANCE.

OH, I'M SORRY.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT THE ORDINANCE.

SECOND, PLEASE VOTE.

UM,

[23. CLOSED SESSIONS:]

UH, CITY CHAIR, ARE WE GOING DO THIS CLOSED SESSION OR PUSH OFF TO THE NEXT MEETING? NO, WE HAVE ONE CLOSED SESSION FOR, UH, ITEM 20, THE CONFERENCE WITH LEGAL COUNSEL ON EXISTING LITIGATION.

I THINK WE STILL HAVE THAT.

AND, UH, PURSUANT TO PARAGRAPH ONE OF SUBDIVISION D OF GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 5 4 9 5 6 0.9, THE NAME OF THE CASE IS TRUCK, SUV SUPERSTORE INC.

VERSUS THE CITY OF EL CAJON.

GREAT.

UM, I'LL MAKE A MOTION THEN TO ADJOURN THE CLOSED SESSION.

SECOND, PLEASE VOTE.

ALRIGHT, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE'RE GONNA GO TO THE CLOSED SESSION.

WE'LL BE BACK IN A FEW MINUTES TO CONCLUDE THE MEETING.

THAT'S IT.

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE'RE BACK FROM CLOSED SESSION.

I'D LIKE TO ASK OUR ATTORNEY TO REPORT ON THE HAPPENINGS OF CLOSED SESSION.

THANK YOU, MAYOR.

THE CITY COUNCIL MET IN CLOSED SESSION ON AN ITEM OF, UH, THE EXISTING LITIGATION.

AS DESCRIBED PREVIOUSLY, THE CITY COUNCIL GAVE DIRECTION TO ITS LEGAL COUNSEL.