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UH, PLEASE STAND FOR FLAG SALUTE IN A MOMENT OF SILENCE.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION, NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
AND LET THE RECORD SHOW THAT COMMISSIONER MOROSE AND P*****K RUDE ARE ABSENT.
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WELCOME TO ALCON PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.THIS MEETING IS BEING LIVE STREAMED ON THE CITY OF ELCON WEBSITE.
APPEALS OF FINAL DECISIONS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION MADE THIS EVENING MUST BE FILED IN WRITING WITH THE CITY CLERK BEFORE 5:00 PM MONDAY, JANUARY 6TH, 2025, AND MUST INCLUDE THE PAYMENT OF A FILING FEE.
IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK ON EITHER A NON AGENDA OR AGENDA ITEM TONIGHT, PLEASE FILL OUT A REQUEST TO SPEAK CARD LOCATED BY THE AGENDA AND TURN IT INTO THE SECRETARY WHO WILL CALL YOU UP TO SPEAK.
WHEN THE AGENDA ITEM COMES UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, WE ASK THAT YOU GIVE US YOUR NAME, SPELLING YOUR LAST NAME.
SPEAKERS ARE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES.
THE DISPLAY ON THE PODIUM, AS WELL AS OTHER MONITORS IN THE CHAMBERS WILL SHOW TIME COUNTING DOWN AT 30 SECONDS.
THE PODIUM CLOCK READOUT WILL TURN RED SIGNIFYING YOU OF 30 SECONDS UNTIL THE END OF YOUR TIME.
APPLICANTS AND INDIVIDUALS REPRESENTING GROUPS OF PEOPLE MAY BE ALLOWED MORE TIME IF APPROPRIATE.
ALL PUBLIC HEARING COMMENTS SHOULD BE ADDRESSED TO ME AS THE CHAIR OF THE COMMISSION AND NOT TO INDIVIDUAL COMMISSIONERS OR TO STAFF MEMBERS.
PLEASE TURN OFF ALL ELECTRONIC DEVICES IF YOU HAVE NOT ALREADY DONE SO PURSUANT TO CITY COUNCIL RESOLUTION NUMBER 1 1 4 DASH SEVEN NINE A COMMISSION WHO HAS RECEIVED EVIDENCE RELATED TO A MATTER BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION, OTHER THAN AN UNESCORTED VIEW OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS REQUIRED TO DISCLOSE SUCH INFORMATION AT THE HEARING.
AT THIS TIME, WE'LL TAKE COMMENTS FROM ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC ON ANY ITEM OF BUSINESS WITHIN THE JURISDICTION OF THE COMMISSION.
THAT IS NOT ON THE AGENDA UNDER STATE LAW.
NO ACTION CAN BE TAKEN ON ITEMS BROUGHT FORWARD UNDER PUBLIC COMMENT EXCEPT TO REFER IT TO STAFF FOR ADMINISTRATION OR PLACE IT ON A FUTURE AGENDA.
IF THERE'S ANYONE WHO WISHES TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION UNDER PUBLIC COMMENT, PLEASE COME FORWARD.
AND DID WE RECEIVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS ON? NO.
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MOVE ON TO THE CONSENT CALENDAR.A SINGLE MOTION WILL COVER ALL ITEMS ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR.
UH, DOES THE COMMISSION WILL WISH TO PULL A CONSENT CALENDAR ITEM FOR DISCUSSION? I DO NOT.
DOES STAFF WISH TO PULL CONSENT CALENDAR ITEM FOR DISCUSSION? NO CHANGES FROM STAFF.
ALRIGHT, THEN WE WILL I MOVE TO ADOPT I WILL.
MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER SOLE, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER EDISON.
AND MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF MEMBERS PRESENT.
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WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE PUBLIC HEARINGS.UM, THERE WAS A REQUEST IF WE COULD MOVE OR SWAP AROUND A LITTLE BIT.
UM, HEARING AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FIVE.
UM, IF YOU WISH TO STEP FORWARD, UH, I'M, I'M GONNA HASH IT.
SO CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT WE'RE DOING? SURE.
I THINK, UH, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO, UH, CONSIDER CHANGING THE, UH, ORDER OF THE AGENDA TONIGHT.
UM, ITEM FIVE IS A REVOCATION HEARING.
UM, AND IT'S CUSTOMARY FOR IN A REVOCATION HEARING, UH, TO HAVE A FULL, UH, COMMISSION PRESENT.
UH, SO TONIGHT, UH, IN THAT WE HAVE TWO, UM, ABSENT COMMISSIONERS, UH, WANTED TO AFFORD THE OPTION FOR THE APPLICANT, UH, TO REQUEST THAT CONTINUANCE.
UM, I CAN ALSO GIVE A SHORT, UH, PRESENTATION AND I BELIEVE THE, UH, APPLICANT, UH, DOES HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SHARE WITH THE COMMISSION.
IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS OKAY WITH THAT? YEP.
IS THE, UH, OWNER PRESENT TONIGHT? IS THE OWNER PRESENT? YOU CAN JUST SIGNIFY BY YES SIR.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION WISH TO MOVE A AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FIVE TO THE FOREFRONT? YES.
DO WE NEED TO MAKE ANY MOTION ON THAT CHANGE TO THE AGENDA? NO.
ALRIGHT, THEN WE'LL MOVE TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FIVE.
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THIS IS THE PALMS RESTAURANT IN BANQUET HALL.THE REQUEST IS TO CONSIDER REVOCATION OF CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT NUMBER 2 1 1 5.
IT IS CQA EXEMPT STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS TO REVOKE CUP NUMBER 2 1 1 5.
IF THE BUSINESS IS NOT OPERATING IN ACCORDANCE WITH REQUIRED CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL.
THANK YOU CHAIR, UM, ON YOU IN A BIT.
UH, SO JUST AS A REMINDER, UH, 1 43 EAST MAIN STREET IS OPERATED AS THE PALMS RESTAURANT AND BANQUET HALL.
UM, IT IS AUTHORIZED BY CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT NUMBER 2 1 1 5.
SORRY, LEMME GET TO THE CORRECT SLIDE THERE.
UM, UH, WHEN THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED IN 2010, UH, THE CITY COUNCIL DID FIND THAT THE OPERATION, UH, NEEDED TO BE AS A RESTAURANT DURING NORMAL RETAIL BUSINESS HOURS.
AND IT WAS, UH, NECESSARY IN ORDER TO PROMOTE AN ACTIVE RETAIL, UH, CORRIDOR ALONG EAST MAIN STREET.
SO HERE'S JUST AN IMAGE OF THE SUBJECT SITE.
UM, ON FEBRUARY 20TH, 2024, UH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION REVIEWED THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AFTER COMPLAINTS WERE RECEIVED THAT THE BUSINESS WAS NOT OPERATING AS A RESTAURANT.
THE BUSINESS OPERATOR, UH, ATTENDED THE MEETING AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION DIRECTED STAFF TO WORK WITH THE BUSINESS OPERATOR.
UM, IN MARCH OF 2024, THE BUSINESS OPERATOR PROVIDED STAFF WITH A RESTAURANT MENU.
UH, BUT THEN OVER THE SUMMER, UM, STAFF DID RECEIVE SOME ADDITIONAL COMPLAINTS THAT THE BUSINESS WASN'T OPERATING AS A RESTAURANT.
AN ADDITIONAL REVIEW OF THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS, UH, WAS CONDUCTED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION WHERE THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECEIVED TESTIMONY, UH, THAT THE BUSINESS WAS OPERATING IN A MANNER THAT WAS MOSTLY SIMILAR TO A PRIVATE CLUB, UH, WITHOUT A PRINTED MENU.
UH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION ULTIMATELY DIRECTED STAFF TO SCHEDULE A REVOCATION HEARING THAT WE'RE CONDUCTING HERE TONIGHT.
UM, SO SINCE THAT TIME, UM, STAFF, UH, DID CONDUCT ADDITIONAL SITE VISITS, UH, WE OBSERVED THE ADDITION OF TWO OPEN SIGNS THAT WERE ADDED ABOVE THE WINDOWS ON EAST MAIN STREET.
UH, WE ALSO, UH, WERE PRESENTED WITH A LAMINATED MENU DURING ONE OF THE SITE VISITS.
SO THE APPLICANT HAS TAKEN SOME, UH, POSITIVE STEPS IN RESPONSE TO, UH, THE PREVIOUS, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.
SO, UM, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR TONIGHT, UH, IS TO, UH, WAS TO, UM, EITHER FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO, UH, REVOKE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT OR TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL DIRECT DIRECTION TO STAFF.
UM, IN LIGHT OF OUR CURRENT CIRCUMSTANCES, UM, THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST THE CONTINUANCE.
UM, SO THAT COULD BE CONSIDERED BY THE COMMISSION.
UH, I WOULD REQUEST IF THERE'S ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT THE COMMISSION WOULD LIKE, UM, IF A CONTINUENCY IS GRANTED.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WERE DISCUSSED WAS THE POSSIBILITY OF ASKING THE APPLICANT FOR A SCHEDULE OF EVENTS JUST TO CONFIRM WHICH NIGHTS OR RESTAURANTS AND WHICH NIGHTS ARE BEING OPERATED AS A BANQUET HALL.
UM, JUST SO THERE'S CLARITY FOR ALL PARTIES THAT ARE INVOLVED.
UM, SO WITH THAT, THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? UH, I DO HAVE QUESTIONS, BUT IT'S MORE FOR THE OWNER.
I THINK THE STAFF HAS GIVEN A TREMENDOUS PRESENTATION.
THE LAST TIME WE HAD THIS, IT WAS MORE OF A REPRESENTATIVE WHO WASN'T REALLY, DIDN'T EVER REALLY HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE BUSINESS, SO, OKAY.
I CAME TO SOLONO THREE DAYS BEFORE THE MEETING.
I'M ASKING IF THEY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.
ONCE WE'VE GOT THAT OUT OF THE WAY, WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
SO YOU'VE GOT QUESTIONS FOR THE OWNER? YEAH, MY QUESTIONS ARE GONNA BE MORE FOR THE OWNER.
I THINK THE STAFF IS REALLY GIVEN A REALLY GOOD PRESENTATION.
NOAH, IS THE, UH, CURRENT LOCATION CURRENTLY, UH, OPERATING AS A RESTAURANT? UH, UPON OUR LAST INSPECTION, UH, WHEN STAFF ENTERED THE BUSINESS, WE WERE PRESENTED WITH A MENU AND, AND THE OPTION TO ORDER FOOD.
UM, I THINK IN THE MEETINGS THAT WE'VE HAD WITH THE APPLICANT, UM, THERE'S SOME ADDITIONAL STEPS, UM, THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO TAKE.
UH, I BELIEVE THAT THE OPERATOR, UH, WOULD LIKE TO DESCRIBE SOME OF THOSE TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION THIS EVENING.
I HAVE NO QUESTIONS FOR STAFF EITHER.
SO WE WILL MOVE ON TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UH, DO WE HAVE SPEAKER CARDS FOR THIS ITEM? YES, WE DO.
I WAS GONNA SAY, CAN WE HAVE THE OWNER COME UP FIRST? THAT IS THE SPEAKER CARD I HAVE.
UH, BEFORE YOU GET STARTED, I DO WANT TO PRESENT YOU WITH THE, THE QUESTION, OFTEN WITH THE
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REVOCATION, IT'S CUSTOMARY TO HAVE A FULL PLANNING COMMISSION.SO YOU DO HAVE THE OPTION OF WAITING TO GET THE FULL COMMISSION BEFORE WE WEIGH IN ON THIS? YEAH, IF WE CAN RESCHEDULE, IT WOULD BE BETTER FOR ME.
AND, UH, WHAT WAS IT THAT YOU WANTED TO SAY ASIDE FROM THAT? OH, LAST TIME I'M, I DIDN'T SHOW UP, SO MY PARTNERS CAME IN AND, UM, AND I TOLD HIM I WASN'T GONNA BE HERE LIKE A WEEK BEFORE.
AS SOON AS HE SENT ME THE EMAIL, I WAS OUT OF TOWN FOR THAT WEEK.
WAIT, YOU WERE OUT OF TOWN? YEAH, WE WERE TOLD YOU WERE SICK.
I TOLD HIM I WAS GONNA BE OUT TOWN, SO I DON'T KNOW IF THEY, YEAH.
SO THE BIG QUESTION IS, WE WANT TO KNOW THAT YOUR RESTAURANT IS OPERATING AS A RESTAURANT.
WE'RE JUST HAVING A BIG PROBLEM WITH THE PARKING LOT, THE FRONT AND THE BACK.
UM, WE PUT A SIGN TO PARK IN THE REAR FROM THE FRONT DOOR, BUT THEY WANT US TO OPEN FROM THE FRONT.
SO WE GOT A COUPLE, UH, DESK, THE HOSTESS DESK, AND I'M GONNA HIRE SOMEBODY LIKE BY THE FRONT DOOR ON THE MAIN STREET.
AND TRYING TO SOLVE THAT PROBLEM.
AND THEN STAFF HAD ASKED IF THERE'S A SCHEDULED, DO YOU, FOR INSTANCE, DO YOU HAVE REGULAR RESTAURANT HOURS SUNDAY THROUGH THURSDAY AND BANQUET HOURS FRIDAY AND SATURDAY OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT? SURE.
I CAME AND TALKED TO NOAH ON FRIDAY.
I TOLD HIM THAT I NEED MORE TIME IF I CAN RESCHEDULE TODAY.
BUT JUST FOR YOU TO KNOW, I WAS OUT OF TOWN.
MY WIFE WAS SIX, SHE HAD TO DO SURGERY THAT WEEK.
SO JUST MAYBE THAT'S MY, WHAT YOUR GUYS TOLD ME, BUT I WAS OUT OF TOWN.
SHE HAD TO DO A SURGERY OUT OF TOWN.
IS SHE DOING BETTER? HUH? IS SHE DOING OKAY? OH, YEAH.
UH, QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? NOT AT THIS TIME.
THE REPRESENTATIVE THAT WAS HERE, I DON'T REMEMBER HIS NAME.
WELL, IT, HIS NAME IS FAR PREVIOUS OWNER.
HE, HE TOLD US HE WAS A PREVIOUS OWNER.
DOES HE SPEAK ON BEHALF OF YOU? DOES HE HAVE ANY, DOES DOES HE HAVE ANY AUTHORITY TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF YOUR ESTABLISHMENT? I, I ASK HIM TO COME, YES.
DOES HE HAVE ANY AUTHORITY TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF YOU? I ASKED, I TOLD HIM TO YES.
TO COME AND SPEAK, BE BEHALF OF ME.
NO, LET, LET, LET ME, I, I'LL JUST REPHRASE THE QUESTION.
UH, IT IS, I'M NOT TRYING TO DO LIKE A, DOES HE HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF ANYTHING THAT HE SAYS? IS HE SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF YOU? YES.
THAT BRINGS UP A QUE DOES HE HAVE POWER OF ATTORNEY? NO.
SO THIS HAS COME UP LIKE A COUPLE OF TIMES NOW.
UM, THIS IS, I BELIEVE THE THIRD TIME.
SO NOW IT'S BECOME LIKE, OKAY, WHAT'S GOING ON? UM, ONE OF THE MEETINGS, THE STAFF ASKED FOR A MENU.
THEY SAID THEY DIDN'T HAVE ONE.
CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT? 'CAUSE THAT WAS A QUESTION I HAD FOR HIM.
THEY GAVE HER A MENU, BUT JUST, WE DIDN'T HAVE A MENU TO GO.
SO THEY ASKED US TO HAVE A MENU.
SO THEY, THEY GAVE HER A MENU.
SO THAT WASN'T, THAT WASN'T WHAT WE WERE TOLD LAST TIME.
WE WERE TOLD THAT IT WAS A LANGUAGE BARRIER.
THAT WAS WHAT WE WERE TOLD, THAT THE STAFF ASKED FOR A MENU AND THEY SAID, AND HE SAID THERE WAS A LANGUAGE BARRIER, BUT THAT'S WHAT WE WERE TOLD.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU KNOW, THAT HE'S WHAT HE SAID, I, I'LL TALK TO HIM.
WELL, THAT WAS ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT WE HAD BECAUSE WE WERE TALKING TO HIM, BUT HE DIDN'T HAVE REALLY HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO SPEAK ON BEHALF.
THAT'S WHY I DON'T REALLY WANT TO GIVE YOU, I DON'T WANNA HOLD YOU TO TASK FOR WHAT HE SAID.
I'M JUST WANNA MAKE SURE YOU KNOW WHAT HE DID RELAY TO US.
SO THE FACT THAT HE SAID THAT, BUT WHEN SHE CAME IN, THEY ASKED FOR A MENU, WE GIVE HIM A MENU.
SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT HE'S TRYING TO TELL ME.
WHAT ARE YOU ASKING? WHAT WHAT THE, WHAT SOMEBODY FROM THE CITY CAME INTO THE PLACE AT A RESTAURANT.
LET'S NO, THAT'S NO THAT, THAT THIS IS WHAT THESE MEETINGS ARE FOR.
'CAUSE I, I I DON'T WANT TO BECOME CONFRONTATIONAL.
WHEN STAFF CAME AND ASKED AND THEY ASKED FOR A MENU, WHAT HAPPENED? SURE.
I I THINK THAT POSSIBLY THERE'S, THERE'S TWO ISSUES THAT ARE GOING ON HERE, HERE.
SO AS I RECALL AT THE LAST HEARING, UM, THE TESTIMONY THAT WAS PROVIDED WAS THAT, UM, THAT THEY DIDN'T HAVE A PRINTED MENU AND THAT THE MENU, THAT EVERYONE, UH, KNEW WHAT THE MENU
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WAS THOUGH, SO THAT THEY COULD, UM, ORDER, UH, BY MEMORY THAT THEY DIDN'T HAVE A PRINTED MENU.UM, SO AFTER THAT HEARING, UH, WE DID, UH, CONDUCT TWO ADDITIONAL INSPECTIONS AT THE PROPERTY.
AND THAT'S WHERE, UM, STAFF WAS PRESENTED WITH A LAMINATED MENU THAT WAS NOT A TO-GO MENU.
SO I THINK THERE'S JUST THE TWO, THE TWO ISSUES THAT ARE GOING ON THERE.
UH, SECOND QUESTION WAS REGARDING THE ENTRANCE, UM, STAFF.
WERE TALKING ABOUT HAVING THE, I BELIEVE IT WAS MAIN STREET.
UM, AND WHAT WE WERE TOLD BY YOUR REPRESENTATIVE WHO, AGAIN, I WILL GIVE CREDIT WHERE CREDIT'S DUE.
HE DOESN'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF YOU.
HE SAID IT WASN'T THAT BIG OF A DEAL.
HE DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHY THIS IS WHY THIS IS EVEN COMING UP.
TO ME, IT IS A LITTLE BIT OF A BIG DEAL.
I'VE LIVED IN EL CAJON FOR NUMEROUS YEARS AND IF WE SAY IT'S NOT A BIG DEAL FOR ONE BUSINESS, HOW ARE WE GOING TO HOLD TO TASK OTHER BUSINESSES FOR THAT? WHAT HE SAID WAS, IT'S NOT THAT BIG OF A DEAL.
I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
SO HAVE YOU BEEN ABLE TO CORRECT THE ENTRANCE? YES.
HOW DID YOU CORRECT IT? ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT LIKE THE FRONT WHERE WE'RE HAVING A PROBLEM OR ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE BACK PARKING LOT? UM, AND, AND STAFFING.
CAN I ASK YOU SOME, HAVE YOU BEEN TO THE PLACE, AND, AND STAFF CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT THEY HAD WAS THAT ON THE MAIN ENTRANCE WE WANTED TO HAVE, BE ABLE TO SEE WHAT WAS GOING ON.
NOT INSPECT, BUT PATRONS BE ABLE TO SEE WHAT'S GOING ON, TO WALK.
IS THAT WHAT WAS GOING IT'S MORE FOR STAFF.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE 'CAUSE YOU WEREN'T HERE AND I, I DON'T WANNA, I DON'T WANT TO PUT WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH.
SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU HEAR WHAT STAFF SAID SO THAT WAY YOU'LL BE ABLE TO ANSWER FOR YOURSELF.
I THINK THAT'S THE FAIR THING TO DO.
THE, IN SOME OF THE MEETINGS THAT I'VE HAD WITH, UH, THE SPEAKER, UM, THAT WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT, UM, IMPLEMENTING A HOSTESS STAND OR OTHER ELEMENTS THAT WOULD, UM, BETTER CONVEY, UM, THE, THE RESTAURANT, UM, TO THE PUBLIC AS THEY'RE WALKING BY, UM, THE, YOU KNOW, THE WINDOWS ARE TO REMAIN OPEN AND, AND VISIBLE.
THEY'VE ADDED THOSE OPEN SIGNS.
UM, SO THEY, THEY HAVE TAKEN SOME STEPS, SOME STEPS, BUT NOT ALL.
SO I GUESS MY QUESTION FOR YOU, NOW THAT WE ACTUALLY HAVE YOU HERE AND, AND, AND I UNDERSTAND LIFE HAPPENS, YOU HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF YOUR FAMILY, WE RESPECT THAT.
AND I DON'T THINK THE CITY OF EL CAJON IS IN THE BUSINESS OF CLOSING DOWN BUSINESSES.
I THINK WHAT THE CITY OF EL CAJON IS SAYING IS THAT EVERYBODY NEEDS TO BE GOING UNDER THE SAME SET OF RULES.
SO HAVE YOU BEEN ABLE TO CORRECT THE PROBLEMS THAT STAFF ARE SEEING, ESPECIALLY IN REGARDS TO THE HOSTESS? I DON'T SEE HOW THAT'S A HARD PROBLEM TO FIX.
IF YOU COME TO THE PLACE, I CAN JUST SHOW YOU AROUND.
YOU CAN UNDERSTAND A LITTLE BIT BETTER.
THE INTEREST IS FROM THE BACK, FROM THE DAY THAT I BOUGHT IT.
I'VE BEEN AT THIS PLACE FOR YEARS, IN A FEW MONTHS, AND IT WAS, ALL THE WINDOWS COVERED.
THAT PICTURE RIGHT HERE, IT WASN'T ME.
WHEN I BOUGHT THE PLACE TWO AND A HALF YEARS AGO, IT WAS ALL COVERED.
SO FIRST NOAH TOLD ME THAT THEY WANNA BE ABLE TO SEE THE WINDOWS DOORS OPEN PARKING IN THE REAR.
SO THE PART, THE BAR THAT WE HAVE IS IN THE BACK.
SO WHEN I MET HIM ON FRIDAY, I TOLD THEM THAT I'M GONNA HIRE SOMEBODY, A HOSTESS, A HOSTESS TABLE AND LEAVE SOMEBODY IN THE FRONT ON THE MAIN STREET.
NOW THE BUSINESS IS NOT THAT BUSY.
IT'S GONNA COST ME ABOUT 40 TO 50,000 A YEAR TO HAVE ONE PERSON BY THE DOOR JUST TO APPROACH PEOPLE IF SOMEBODY DOESN'T WANNA WALK ON THE OTHER SIDE.
BUT IF THAT'S WHAT THE CITY WANT, I SAY, OKAY, WE GOT IT.
WHEN MR. FOS CAME AND I ASKED HIM TO COME IN, BECAUSE HE KNOWS THE PLACE BETTER THAN I DO, I DON'T LIVE AROUND HERE.
SO WHEN HE CAME IN, HE DIDN'T KNOW THAT THEY WERE GONNA TALK ABOUT THE MENU.
I DIDN'T TELL HIM THAT, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.
YOU REFERENCING THE GUY THAT WAS HERE? HE WAS A PREVIOUS OWNER.
SO I DIDN'T TELL HIM ANYTHING ABOUT THE MENU.
I THOUGHT IT WAS MORE YOU GUYS WANT THE CLEAR WINDOWS, SINUS SAYS OPEN.
THEN THE PARKING IN THE BACK, THERE'S NO PARKING IN THE FRONT.
WE'RE HAVING A PROBLEM EVEN, EVEN TILL TODAY WITH THE PARKING.
THEN THERE'S ANOTHER BUILDING THAT, WHEN THAT BUILDING IS DONE RIGHT HERE ON THIS CORNER.
I'M TELLING YOU, WE'RE HAVING A, A LOT OF PROBLEMS WITH THE PARKING.
WELL, NO, THAT'S, THAT'S FAIR.
AND, AND NO, THAT'S, THAT'S A, THAT'S FAIR.
UM, I THINK FOR ME IT WAS HARD FOR US TO DIRECT QUESTIONS BECAUSE HE WAS NO, I'M, I'LL WALK THAT BACK.
HE WASN'T PRESENTING HIMSELF AS THE OWNER.
HE WAS WA HE WAS SAYING THAT HE KIND OF KNEW WHAT WAS GOING ON.
SO I, I GUESS MY LAST TWO QUESTIONS 'CAUSE I DON'T WANT MONOPOLIZE THE TIME.
UM, I IS YOUR COMMITMENT TO WORK WITH THE CITY TO A HUNDRED PERCENT
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I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW IS YOUR COMMITMENT TO WORK WITH THE CITY TO MAKE THE CORRECTIONS NECESSARY TO KEEP YOUR CUP.AND THAT'S THE FIRST QUESTION, NUMBER ONE.
AND QUESTION NUMBER TWO IS, IS YOUR BUSINESS A RESTAURANT OR IS IT A CLUB? THERE'S, THOSE ARE MY TWO QUESTIONS.
I'M WORKING WITH, NO, I'M DOING EVERYTHING THAT I CAN.
AND I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE SOMEBODY FROM THE CITY TO COME INTO THE RESTAURANTS IS A BANQUET HALL AND A RESTAURANT.
AND IF I CAN OPERATE AS A RESTAURANT, I'M TELLING YOU, I'M SELLING THAT BUSINESS TOMORROW.
THE WHAT'S PAYING MY BILLS IS THE BANQUET HALL IS NOT DOING GOOD AS A RESTAURANT.
THERE'S A RESTAURANT AROUND HERE.
I COUNT HIM, I DON'T LIVE AROUND HERE.
I COUNT HIM THE WHOLE CITY RIGHT HERE ON THIS STREET.
I'M NOT SURE HOW THEY PAID THEIR RENT.
I DUNNO HOW THEY PAID THEIR EMPLOYEE.
BUT THAT'S UCD, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW YOUR BUSINESS.
BUT IF I OPERATE JUST AS A RESTAURANT, I'M NOT GONNA MAKE IT HERE.
I'LL TELL YOU THAT WHAT PAYING MY BILLS IS THE BANQUET HALL.
WELL THEN I HAVE AN ADDITIONAL QUESTION.
WHAT IS YOUR CUP? IT'S A RESTAURANT AND A BANQUET.
WE ARE A RESTAURANT AND THE BANQUET HALL.
BUT THE PROBLEM FIRST, WHAT I UNDERSTAND FROM NOAH, YOU GUYS WANT THE GLASS TO BE CLEAR.
I WANT SOMEBODY FROM THE CITY COME TO THE PLACE AND I CAN SHOW YOU AROUND, STAY OVER THERE WITH ME ONE HOUR SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
SO IF I PUT SOMEBODY BY THE FRONT DOOR, YOU'RE GONNA TELL ME, PUT SOMEBODY AT THE BACK DOOR.
I PUT SOMEBODY IN THE BACK DOOR, YOU LIKE, PUT SOMEBODY BY THAT DOOR.
YOU TELL ME HOW YOU WANT IT AND I DO IT A HUNDRED PERCENT.
SO, SO I GUESS, 'CAUSE I WANT TO CUT MYSELF OFF.
SO YOU, YOU WOULD AGREE THAT YOU'RE WILLING TO WORK WITH THE CITY TO MAKE THE CORRECTIONS NECESSARY TO KEEP YOUR CEP? IT'S A YES.
OR IS THAT'S A YES OR A NO? YES, OF COURSE.
AND THEN YOUR, AND THEN AS FAR AS YOUR CEP, MY SECOND QUESTION IS, ARE YOU AWARE OF WHAT YOUR CUP IS? IT'S, IT'S TO OPERATE AS A RESTAURANT AND BANQUET HALL.
YOU'RE YOU'RE PRIMARILY A RESTAURANT.
85% RESTAURANT, 15% IS GONNA BE THE BANQUET HALL.
WELL, YOU KNOW, I'LL DEFER TO STAFF ON THAT.
UH, THE WAY THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT WAS APPROVED WAS A RESTAURANT WITH ALCOHOL SALES WITH ANCILLARY BANQUET USE, WHICH IS TYPICALLY, UH, UP TO 15%.
SO THAT'S REALLY WHERE A SCHEDULE OF EVENTS OF WHEN BANQUETS ARE OCCURRING AND WHEN THE RESTAURANT IS OPEN WOULD BE VERY BENEFICIAL FOR STAFF AND TO BE ABLE TO SHARE WITH THE COMMISSION.
AND I ASK NOAH IF I HAVE SOMEBODY FROM THE CITY COME INTO MY PLACE AND TELL ME HOW YOU WANT.
IT IS BETTER THAN EVERY TIME COMING TO THE MEETING.
I CAME IN TODAY, I'M GONNA COME AGAIN.
YOU KNOW, MY PARTNERS RUNNING THE BUSINESS, NOT ME.
SO YOU CAN COME IN BECAUSE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT MOVING A COUPLE THINGS AROUND THE BARS ON THE BACK SIDE.
WE WERE TALKING TO BUILD ANOTHER BAR IN THE FRONT.
I THINK I TOLD THEM THAT I BOUGHT ALREADY THE HOSTS TABLE IN THE FRONT ON THE MAIN STREET.
I'M GONNA HIRE A GIRL, LIKE A PERSON THERE.
I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE TO DO.
YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SURE WHAT ELSE TO DO.
IF SOMEBODY COMES IN AND TELL ME DO THIS, THIS, THAT, THEN WE CAN UNDERSTAND IT A LITTLE BIT BETTER.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU DON'T LIKE, IF YOU DON'T KNOW HOW, LIKE THE PARKING LOT'S WORKING AND WHAT'S GOING IN THAT BUSINESS, VERY HARD FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND.
NOBODY COMES IN FROM THE MAIN STREET.
I DON'T YOU WANT PEOPLE TO SEE IT.
WE DON'T COVER IT TO HIDE ANYTHING.
PEOPLE, THEY'RE EATING, THEY'RE SITTING DOWN.
SO JUST FOR YOU TO KNOW, THE PICTURES YOU SAW WAS BEFORE I OWNED THAT BUSINESS, OR AT THE TIME THAT I BOUGHT THAT BUSINESS, IF IT WAS A YEAR AFTER THAT, AS SOON AS YOU BROUGHT IT TO MY ATTENTION, I CLEAR ALL THE GLASS.
AND BEFORE I BOUGHT IT, IT WAS A LOT MORE WORSE.
TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, I HAVE PICTURES.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE, WHAT CITY BEFORE ME, WHEN, FROM THE PERSON THAT I BOUGHT IT FROM.
NOW THEY'RE ASKING ME A LOT MORE THAN THE PREVIOUS OWNER.
I, I WOULD CORRECT THAT AND SAY THAT THE ORIGINAL CUP WAS WRITTEN THE SAME WAY AND THE COMPLAINTS WERE WHAT BROUGHT US, BROUGHT IT TO OUR ATTENTION.
BUT I APPRECIATE ALL THE EFFORT YOU'RE GOING INTO BECAUSE I DO KNOW, I RECOGNIZE HOW THESE BUILDINGS WERE BUILT WITH THE PARKING LOT ON THE BACKSIDE IN THE ALLEY.
SO THAT'S THE MAIN ENTRANCE, EVEN THOUGH THE MAIN STREET IS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET ACTIVATED AND MAKE ELCON A WALKABLE CITY AND ATTRACTIVE TO PEOPLE AS THEY WALK BY TO GO, OH, THERE'S AN OPEN RESTAURANT.
SO I APPRECIATE ALL THAT YOU'RE DOING.
UH, ANY QUESTIONS FROM STAFF? I THINK YOU GUYS HAVE HAD MORE CONVERSATION WITH HIM THOUGH.
SO AS IT CURRENTLY STANDS, UM, WE, WE, WE WILL CONTINUE HEARING WHATEVER TESTIMONY, BUT BY YOUR REQUEST, WE'LL WAIT UNTIL WE'VE GOT A FULL QUORUM, A FULL COMMISSION TO UH, FINISH THE HEARING.
SO AT THE END OF THE HEARING, WE'RE NOT GONNA CLOSE IT, WE'RE NOT GONNA MAKE A DECISION.
WE'RE JUST GOING TO CONTINUE IT UNTIL THE NEXT
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MEETING.AND CAN I JUST ADD ONE MORE THING? IF YOU CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE CITY AND WORK WITH THE STAFF, I MEAN, I DON'T THINK EL CAJONS IN THE BUSINESS OF CLOSING BUSINESSES, THAT'S NOT, THAT DOESN'T EVEN MAKE ANY SENSE.
SO JUST IF, KEEP THE COMMUNICATION GOING, UM, WORK WITH STAFF AND JUST MAKE THE CORRECTIONS AND THEY THINK YOU'LL BE OKAY.
IF NOT, THEN, I MEAN, THAT'S A DIFFERENT SERMON, BUT JUST KEEP WORKING WITH THE CITY.
DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER SPEAKER CARDS FOR THIS ITEM? NOT, NOT FOR THIS ITEM.
CAN I JUST SAY ONE MORE THING PLEASE.
IT WOULD BE EASIER IF I CAN HAVE SOMEBODY FROM THE CITY TO COME TO THE, TO THE RESTAURANT.
JUST SO FOR ME TO TELL ME HOW YOU GUYS WANNA SET UP.
WHAT DO YOU WANT TO SEE IN THE FRONT? THAT ONE MAKES IT EASY.
SO I KNOW, WHAT ARE YOU GUYS TALKING ABOUT? BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, FIRST, THE FIRST TIME I CAME IN, IT WAS, THEY HAD A TINTING WINDOWS, LIKE I DON'T COVER IT.
SO WE TOOK ALL THAT STUFF OUT.
WE PUT LIKE, UH, CLEAN IT, PUT A SIGN, A SIGN THAT IS A SPARKING IN THE BACK, LIKE THINGS LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW? YEAH, THAT'S A FAIR QUESTION.
I THINK WHAT THE CITY HAS DIRECTED IS THAT WHEN YOU WALK ON MAIN STREET, YOU OR I WALKING DOWN THE SIDEWALK CAN LOOK IN THE RESTAURANT AND SEE PEOPLE EATING AND SEE, OH, THAT'S A RESTAURANT.
I WONDER WHAT THEY'RE EATING, WHAT THEY'RE SERVING.
WE'RE NOT GONNA MAKE YOU DO A CINNABON WHERE THE, THE VENTS SMOKING EVERYBODY OUT THERE WITH WHATEVER'S YOU'RE COOKING, WHICH IS EXCELLENT.
BUT YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GONNA MAKE YOU DO THAT.
AND HAVE A PERSON AT THE DOOR SO THAT WHEN THEY GO, HEY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO BE SEATED? I CAN DO THAT, PAUL.
UH, IF I MAKE A SUGGESTION, UM, WHEN THE COP WAS APPROVED IN, UH, 2010, THERE WAS CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL.
IF YOU DON'T HAVE A COPY OF THOSE, UH, YOU SHOULD ASK THE STAFF TO GIVE YOU A COPY OF THOSE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL.
IT STATES VERY SPECIFICALLY WHAT YOU CAN AND WHAT YOU CAN'T DO.
SO IT'S VERY CLEAR AND IT'S NOT A MATTER OF DISCUSSING IT, IT'S, IT'S IN BLACK AND WHITE.
ALRIGHT, THERE ARE NO FURTHER SPEAKER CARDS.
IS THERE ANYONE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK WHO WOULD LIKE TO COME UP AND YOU CAN FILL OUT A SPEAKER CARD AFTERWARDS? NO.
THEN AT THIS TIME WE WILL CONTINUE.
DO WE NEED TO MAKE A MOTION FOR THE CONTINUANCE? UH, YES.
WE WOULD A MOTION, UH, TO CONTINUE, UM, STAFF WOULD, UH, RECOMMEND THE FIRST MEETING IN FEBRUARY.
UM, WE WOULD ANTICIPATE RE NOTICING THIS HEARING, UM, JUST SO THAT THE SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNERS CAN RECEIVE NOTICE.
I THINK THE FIRST MEETING IN FEBRUARY WOULD GIVE US, UH, 30 DAYS OF DATA ON THE CALENDAR IN ORDER TO BETTER ANALYZE AND BRING BACK MORE INFORMATION TO THE COMMISSION.
UH, JUST FOR THE CHAIR, HE'S REQUESTING SOMEBODY FROM THE CITY TO COME DOWN AND INSPECT.
I MEAN, BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU ASK FOR, BUT HE'S REQUESTING SOMEBODY FROM THE CITY TO COME DOWN, SHOW HIM EVERYTHING THAT'S WRONG WITH THIS BUSINESS.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN ADD TO THE MOTION OR JUST SHOW THE EXPECTATIONS? THAT'S A BETTER WAY TO PUT IT.
HOPEFULLY YOU UNDERSTOOD THE EXPECTATIONS.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR SOMEBODY FROM THE CITY TO TELL YOU WHAT YOU NEED TO HAVE TO KEEP THIS CEP OP OPERATIONAL? YEAH.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO? I THINK FROM A STAFF PERSPECTIVE, WE'LL CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE APPLICANT.
I MEAN, ULTIMATELY, UM, THE APPLICANT IS GONNA HAVE TO DECIDE TO MAKE CERTAIN IMPROVEMENTS AND I CAN'T IN ADVANCE OF A PUBLIC HEARING, UM, TELL HIM THAT THOSE ARE THE NECESSARY IMPROVEMENTS THAT YOU NEED TO MAKE TO THE BUSINESS BECAUSE IT'S ULTIMATELY AT THE DISCRETION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
UM, SO ALL I I CAN MAKE SUGGESTIONS AND, AND GIVE THEM IDEAS ON THINGS THAT, UH, WOULD MAKE THE BUSINESS OPERATE MORE LIKE A RESTAURANT.
UH, BUT THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT THE COMMISSION WOULD CONSIDER AT THE NEXT HEARING.
WELL THEN I WOULD SUGGEST THAT YOU, I WOULD AGREE TO REVIEW THE CUP IN ITS ENTIRETY AND, AND, YOU KNOW, HANDLE YOUR BUSINESS FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM.
BUT I WOULD TELL YOU THAT ELON'S NOT IN THE BUSINESS OF CLOSING BUSINESSES.
I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S LIKE THE LAST RESORT, BUT I MEAN, I WOULD LOOK AT YOUR CEP.
ALRIGHT, WELL I'LL I MOVE TO CONTINUE THIS, UH, MEETING, SO SOMETIME IN FEBRUARY WHEN THE STAFF PREPARES IT.
MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER SOLE, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER EDISON.
AND, UM, MOTION PASSES WITH, UM, UNANIMOUSLY WITH MEMBERS PRESENT.
AND WE WILL ANNOUNCE THE DATE AND, UH, MAKE SURE YOU KNOW IN ADVANCE.
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YOU.AND THANK YOU TO EVERYONE WHO IS PATIENT.
WHILE WE SWAP THAT AROUND, WE WILL
[ Public Hearing Item 2]
MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO, WHICH IS THE ELCON SENIOR LIVING FACILITY.THE REQUEST IS FOR 101 HUNDRED 56 BED CARE FACILITY.
IT IS CE QA EXEMPT AND STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL STAFF TEST.
GOOD EVENING PLANNING COMMISSIONERS.
MY NAME IS MIKE VI, SENIOR PLANNER WITH THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT.
UH, THIS ITEM IS A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT APPLICATION SUBMITTED BY MARSHALL, SLLC FOR A RESIDENTIAL CARE FACILITY.
THE SUBJECT APPLICATION PROPOSES TO REDEVELOP THE NURSERY PROPERTY AT 1163 NORTH SECOND STREET, UH, WITH A 156 BED RESIDENTIAL CARE FACILITY LICENSED BY THE CALIFORNIA DEPARTMENT OF SOCIAL SERVICES.
THE FACILITY WOULD PROVIDE ASSISTED LIVING AND MEMORY CARE SERVICES IN A CONTEMPORARY ITALIAN EIGHT THREE STORY BUILDING WITH RESIDENT AMENITIES AND ENCLOSED PARKING GARAGE.
THE GENERAL PLAN DESIGNATION AND ZONING DESIGNATION OF 1163 NORTH SECOND ARE BOTH GENERAL COMMERCIAL.
THE SITE IS ALSO WITHIN THE BOUNDARIES OF SPECIFIC PLAN NUMBER 16, WHICH APPROVED THE CURRENT STREET PATTERN SURROUNDING THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
ACCORDING TO THE COMMERCIAL LAND USE TABLE, A RESIDENTIAL CARE FACILITY MAY BE AUTHORIZED BY A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IN THE GENERAL COMMERCIAL ZONE.
THE SUBJECT SITE IS LOCATED ON THE EAST SIDE OF NORTH SECOND STREET BETWEEN SUMNER AND PERSIMMON AVENUES.
THE PROPERTY IS APPROXIMATELY 1.3 ACRES IN SIZE AND HAS ALLEY ACCESS AT THE REAR.
THE PROPERTY IS BORDERED BY SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND TOWN HOMES TO THE EAST ACROSS THE ALLEY.
VARIOUS RETAIL COMMERCIALS, COMMERCIAL USES TO THE NORTH AND SOUTH, AND A DAYCARE AND AUTOMOBILE REPAIR USES TO THE WEST ACROSS NORTH SECOND STREET.
ALL EXISTING SITE IMPROVEMENTS AND STRUCTURES WOULD BE DEMOLISHED WITH PROPOSED REDEVELOPMENT.
HERE'S THE PROPOSED ARCHITECTURAL SITE PLAN.
THE BUILDING INCLUSIVE OF THE PARKING AREA COVERED BY THE COURTYARD HAS A FOOTPRINT OF APPROXIMATELY 45,000 SQUARE FEET AND A GROSS BUILDING AREA OF APPROXIMATELY 87,000 SQUARE FEET ACROSS ALL THREE STORIES.
PRIMARY ACCESS TO THE BUILDING AND ITS ENCLOSED PARKING GARAGE IS PROVIDED BY A 24 FOOT WIDE COMMERCIAL, UH, DRIVEWAY ALONG NORTH SECOND STREET.
UM, IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT WHILE RECEIVING AREAS AND THE INTERIOR TRASH ENCLOSURE ARE ACCESSIBLE TO SERVICE TRUCKS FROM THE ALLEY, THE PARKING GARAGE DOES NOT OPEN ONTO THE ALLEY.
THE PROPOSED CARE FACILITY OBSERVES ALL GENERAL COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AND EXCEEDS SETBACK REQUIREMENTS BY OBSERVING MINIMUM 10 FOOT DIMENSIONS FROM ALL PROPERTY LINES.
THESE SETBACK AREAS ARE LANDSCAPE WITH TREES PROPOSED ALONG THE SECOND STREET AND ALLEY FRONTAGES, UH, PROJECT DRAINAGE BASINS ARE FOUND ON THE NORTH AND SOUTH SIDES OF THE BUILDING BEHIND ROD IRON FENCING, WHICH SECURES ALL AREAS OF THE PROPERTY EXCEPT THE FRONT YARD SETBACK AREAS.
THE COURTYARD SHOWN AT THE CENTER OF THE PLAN COVERS THE ENCLOSED PARKING AREA FROM ABOVE.
HERE'S THE FIRST FLOOR PLAN, UH, SHOWING THE GROUND FLOOR LAYOUT, INCLUDING OFFICE AND ADMINISTRATION SPACES.
28 ASSISTED LIVING UNITS RECEIVING AND TRASH ENCLOSURE OFF THE ALLEY, ALL WRAPPING THE PARKING GARAGE.
61 STALLS ARE PROVIDED WITHIN THE ENCLOSED GARAGE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE PARKING STUDY PREPARED FOR THE PROJECT.
AND ADDITIONAL SPACE IS ALSO PROVIDED WITHIN THE GARAGE FOR AN ONSITE MEDICAL VAN FOR STORAGE WHEN NOT IN USE.
THE SECOND FLOOR PLAN SHOWN HERE INCLUDES ADMINISTRATION SPACES 58 ASSISTED LIVING, UH, UNITS, THE COURTYARD ABOVE THE PARKING GARAGE, AS WELL AS AMENITY SPACES LIKE A DINING AREA, BEAUTY SALON, VIEWING LOUNGE AND GAME ROOM WHERE PROGRAMMING CAN BE PROVIDED FOR RESIDENCE.
AND FINALLY, THE THIRD FLOOR, WHICH INCLUDES 42 ASSISTED LIVING UNITS, GLASS ENCLOSED VIEWING DECKS AND THE MEMORY CARE WING.
THE MEMORY CARE WING INCLUDES 20 UNITS AND 28 BEDS, AS WELL AS DINING SPACE AND AMENITIES, INCLUDING A DEDICATED VIEWING DECK AT THE REAR OF THE BUILDING.
THE MEMORY CARE WING IS SEPARATED AND SECURED BY DELAYED EGRESS DOORS.
NOTE THAT ALL ASSISTED LIVING UNITS HAVE ONE BED REGARDLESS OF FLOOR AND INCLUDES STUDIOS AND ONE BEDROOMS RANGING IN SIZE BETWEEN 315 SQUARE FEET AND 600 SQUARE FEET.
MEMORY CARE UNITS ARE ONE AND TWO BEDROOM AND RANGE IN SIZE FROM 320 SQUARE FEET TO 530 SQUARE FEET.
THE PROPOSED BUILDING SHOWN HERE IN RENDERS, INCORPORATES STONE VENEER, VARYING EARTH TONE, STUCCO AND PLASTER, AND IS ARTICULATED WITH UPPER STORY DECKS AND PROJECTIONS TO ENHANCE ITS APPEARANCE.
THE BUILDING HAS A MAXIMUM HEIGHT TO THE TOP OF ITS PARAPET OF 35
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FEET AND A HEIGHT OF 43 FEET TO THE TOP OF THE STAIRWELLS.THESE SITES ARE CONSISTENT WITH GENERAL COMMERCIAL AND ZONING CODE LIMITATIONS.
IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THE BUILDING IS RECESSED INTO THE SITE, WHICH SLOPES DOWN FROM THE ALLEY APPROXIMATELY SEVEN FEET TO NORTH SECOND STREET.
THE BUILDING WOULD APPEAR TO BE LESS THAN A COMPLETE THREE STORIES TALL WITH A HEIGHT OF APPROXIMATELY 30 FEET.
TO ADDRESS CONCERNS ABOUT THE POTENTIAL IMPACT OF ITS OPERATIONS ON EMERGENCY SERVICES.
THE APPLICATION INCLUDES TWO TECHNICAL STUDIES IN AN OPERATIONS MANUAL.
THE STUDIES CONCLUDE THAT CALLS FOR EMERGENCY SERVICE COULD BE REDUCED TO 27 PER YEAR WITH THE IMPLEMENTATION OF ITS OPERATIONS PLAN.
27 CALLS PER YEAR IS CONSISTENT WITH THE WALGREENS ON NORTH SECOND STREET, WHICH IS A BUYRIGHT LAND USE OPERATING ON A SIMILARLY SIZED PROPERTY.
THE OPERATION PLAN INCLUDES A SUITE OF PROCEDURES, INCLUDING NOTABLY ONSITE STAFF WITH RELEVANT TRADING, INCLUDING CERTIFICATES IN, UH, CARDIAC LIFE SUPPORT AND GERIATRIC EMERGENCY MEDICINE 24 7 TELEMEDICINE.
ACCESS TO BOARD CERTIFIED PRACTITIONERS CONTRACTS WITH TWO PRIVATE EMS PROVIDERS FOR AMBULANCE SERVICE AND PARAMEDIC ROUNDS AT THE FACILITY.
AND ADVANCED MONITORING SYSTEMS USING ALARMS, WEARABLE DEVICES AND AI DRIVEN CAMERA MONITORING REQUIRED FINDINGS FOR THE PROJECT CAN BE MADE.
REGIONAL FORECASTS ANTICIPATE NEARLY 30% INCREASE IN THE NUMBER OF CITY RESIDENTS AGE 65 AND OLDER BY 2050, WHICH THE FACILITY WILL HELP TO ACCOMMODATE AND SERVE.
FURTHER, THE FACILITY WILL BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE COMMUNITY AND SURROUNDING LAND USES WITH PROPOSED CONDITIONS.
THESE INCLUDE REQUIRING THE FACILITY TO IMPLEMENT ITS OPERATIONS PLAN AND SHOULD CAUSE EXCEED 27 PER YEAR, PROVIDING FOR COST RECOVERY BY THE CITY AND A REQUIREMENT FOR PUBLIC HEARING BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO DETERMINE THE ADEQUACY OF THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT PROVISIONS.
COMPLETE FINDINGS ARE PROVIDED IN THE AGENDA REPORT.
THE PROPOSED PROJECT IS EXEMPT FROM THE ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW REQUIREMENTS OF THE CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ACT OR CQA PURSUANT TO CE QA GUIDELINES, SECTION 1 5 3 3 2 FOR INFILL DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS STAFF, THEREFORE COMMEND APPROVAL OF THE QA DETERMINATION AND CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
THIS CONCLUDES STAFF'S REPORT.
ALRIGHT, I HAVE ONE MAJOR QUESTION RIGHT OFF THE BAT.
UM, THE RECEIVING AND TRASH ENCLOSURES, I SEE THEY'RE SET BACK A LITTLE BIT MORE, BUT, UH, WILL A DELIVERY VEHICLE, IS THIS LIKE LARGE TRUCK DELIVERY OR IS THIS SMALL? UH, PACKAGE DELIVERY? WE'RE NOT TALKING PALLETS IN FOOD.
LIKE A FOOD SERVICE TRUCK IN MY EXPERIENCE IS LIKE A 20, 26, 30 FOOT TRUCK THAT NORMALLY PARKS EITHER IN, UH, BACKS UP INTO A BAY TO DELIVER A PALLET STRAIGHT ACROSS OR PARKS NEXT TO A BAY WHERE IT CAN OFFLOAD THE TRUCK PALLET AND THEN BRING IT IN.
AND THIS DOES NOT LOOK LIKE A 30 FOOT TRUCK'S GOING TO FIT IN THAT SPOT.
SO, UM, THE APPLICANT AND THE TEAM ARE HERE.
AND THEY CAN SPEAK PROBABLY, UH, MORE CAPABLY TO I THAN THEIR, THEIR OPERATIONS.
UM, IT IS DOES NOT INCLUDE YOUR TYPICAL, UH, SLOPED, UM, DELIVERY, UM, BAY THAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING, WHICH YOU WOULD NORMALLY SEE AT A, UH, GROCERY STORE, FOR EXAMPLE.
UM, UH, WHERE DO WE HAVE TO BE SERVICED BY AN 18 WHEELER? UM, UH, I WOULD ANTICIPATE PROBABLY SMALL BOX TRUCKS, UM, SERVING THE PROPERTY IN TERMS OF, UH, PROVISIONS FOR, YOU KNOW, THEIR COMMERCIAL KITCHEN AND SO FORTH.
UM, EDCO DID REVIEW AND CONFIRM THAT THEY COULD SERVICE THE PROPERTY.
UM, AND IT'S NOT UNUSUAL TO HAVE, UM, UH, THOSE SORTS OF FACILITIES HAVE THE ROLLOUT DUMPSTERS SLIDE OUT IT BE SERVICED AND THEN, UM, PUT BACK INTO THE ENCLOSURE.
SO, UM, STAFF DIDN'T ANTICIPATE ANY MAJOR CONCERNS WITH THAT OPERATION, UH, DURING OUR REVIEW.
AND THEN THIS ALLEY IS ALL THAT SEPARATES THIS BUILDING FROM RESIDENTIAL ACROSS THE STREET AND A FENCE, A STONE, A MASON WALL, I BELIEVE, ON THAT OTHER SIDE OF THE ALLEY, I HOPE.
BUT, UH, BACKING UP TRUCKS, TIMING, THOSE WERE ALL COVERED IN OUR CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL.
THERE ARE NOT SPECIFIC CONDITIONS RELATED TO, UH, BACKUP ALARMS OR, OR DELIVERY HOURS.
UM, THERE ARE OF COURSE, UH, REFERENCES, UM, AND THE APPLICATION OF NORMAL CODE ENFORCEMENT PROCEDURES, WHICH WOULD DEAL WITH, UH, YOU KNOW, COMPLIANCE WITH THE NOISE ORDINANCE AND, AND VARIOUS OTHER NUISANCES THAT MIGHT OCCUR, UH, WITH THE OPERATION OF ANY LAND USE.
BUT SHOULD THE COMMISSION SO DECIDE, UM, CONDITIONS COULD BE INCORPORATED,
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UH, YOU KNOW, LIMITING DELIVERY HOURS.UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF MR. SOLI? YES.
UM, THE RESIDENTS IN THE, UH, SENIOR LIVING FACILITY, WOULD THEY BE ALLOWED TO HAVE THEIR OWN VEHICLE? I, AGAIN, WOULD PROBABLY DIRECT THAT QUESTION TO THE APPLICANT.
UM, THE, UH, PARKING STUDY PROVIDED FOR THE, UM, THE APPLICATION IN INDICATES THAT 0.39 SPACES, UH, PER BED WAS THE APPROPRIATE RATE.
AND THAT'S BASED ON, UM, UH, THE INSTITUTE FOR TRAFFIC ENGINEERING, UH, TRIP, UH, PARKING GENERATION MANUAL.
UM, THE ANTICIPATED NUMBER OF, UM, UH, STAFF AT A GIVEN TIME BASED ON THE DESCRIPTION WAS UH, I BELIEVE APPROXIMATELY 40 EMPLOYEES.
SO IT WOULDN'T, THERE WOULD BE SPACE TO ACCOMMODATE, UM, VEHICLES FOR RESIDENTS.
UM, AND I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY PRECLUSION OR, UM, UH, PROHIBITION IN ANY OF THEIR DOCUMENTS SUGGESTING THAT, UH, FOR RESIDENTS.
ALRIGHT, WE'LL BRING THAT UP WITH THE, THERE WOULD BE SOME SPACE FOR THE RESIDENTS WHO HAVE THEIR, THERE WOULD BE SPACE.
HOW MANY, UM, ELEVATORS ARE IN THE PREMISES? I BELIEVE THERE ARE TWO.
IN REGARDS TO PUBLIC SERVICE AND THE CALLS FOR SERVICE, THE CONCERN, AND I THINK IT'S ACT, IT'S A GOOD PROJECT, BUT MY CONCERN IS ON THE ANTICIPATED IN REVIEWING THIS AS THE CALLS FOR SERVICE IS THERE, WELL MAYBE IT'S MORE OF A QUESTION FOR THE, FOR THE APPLICANT.
IS THERE A ON-DUTY RN AND I, I'M LOOKING, I'M READING THIS AND I'M, I'M SEEING THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE INCREASED CALLS FOR SERVICE, WHICH IS GONNA PUT A LITTLE BIT OF A STRAIN ON WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW.
NOT THAT I'M SAYING I'M AGAINST IT, I JUST WANT TO SEE WHAT THE APPLICANT HAS IN ANTICIPATION FOR CALLS FOR SERVICE.
I THINK IT'S MORE OF A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT, I GUESS.
ALRIGHT, SO WE WILL ASK THE APPLICANT, AND BY THE WAY, I WAS LOOKING AT THE PLANS, THERE ARE FOUR ELEVATORS.
THERE ARE TWO IN THE FRONT AND ONE ON EITHER BACK CORNER YOU GO.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I, IF MAY I INTERJECT AS WELL? I JUST WANTED TO ACKNOWLEDGE, UH, CHIEF COVE FROM HEARTLAND FIRE AND RESCUE IS HERE, UH, HEARTLAND FIRE AND RESCUE, UM, DID REVIEW, UH, THE CALL FOR SERVICE PLAN.
IT WAS A, A VERY CRITICAL ITEM AS PART OF THE ASSESSMENT AND RECOMMENDATION ASSOCIATED WITH THIS PROJECT.
UM, SO, UH, HE CAN'T ADDRESS ANY QUESTIONS RELATED TO THAT.
UH, BUT AGAIN, AS, AS MR. LEON SAID, UH, WE WOULD DEFER TO THE APPLICANT, UH, TO TALK MORE ABOUT THOSE IMPLEMENTATION MEASURES THAT THEY PROPOSED.
ALRIGHT, I THINK IT'S TIME TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND GET OUR FIRST SPEAKER UP.
UH, ROBERT GARMO HAS A SPEAKER CARD.
ALRIGHT, GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS.
FIRST OF ALL, MERRY CHRISTMAS AND UH, HAPPY HOLIDAYS TO ALL OF YOU.
GREAT TO SEE YOU GUYS BEEN HERE BEFORE YOU IN THE PAST.
UM, I REPRESENT THE OWNERSHIP GROUP AND OVER THE LAST THREE YEARS, I GOTTA SAY, UH, SOMETHING ABOUT MIKE AND, AND NOW THEY'VE BEEN AWESOME AND THE FIRE MARSHAL, WE'VE BEEN WORKING HAND IN HAND WITH LOTS OF ISSUES, TRY TO RESOLVE THEM, INCLUDING 9 1 1 CALLS.
WE HAVE LOTS OF STUDIES TO FALL BACK ON.
WE HAVE OUR ENTIRE TEAM HERE FROM ARCHITECTS, ENGINEERS, SEQUENCE STUDIES FOR 9 1 1 CALLS AND, UM, AND THE OPERATIONAL ASPECTS OF IT.
UM, JUST A COUPLE OF LITTLE THINGS.
I'VE LIVED IN ELCON AND WORKED IN ELCON FOR NEARLY 30 YEARS.
I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW PROUD I AM OF ELCON OVER THE LAST 20, 30 YEARS.
WHAT'S HAPPENED, YOU KNOW, MULTICULTURAL, BEAUTIFUL CITY, UM, YOU KNOW, PROPERTY VALUES SKYROCKETING A DR RATES AND OCCUPANCY RATES ON OUR HOTELS ARE GOING SKYROCKETING.
I'M SO PROUD TO BRING MORE DEVELOPMENT IN TELECON AND THAT'S REALLY MY MISSION IS TO BE, I AM SO PROUD OF ELCON THAT I WANNA BRING THAT DEVELOPMENT.
WHEN WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT DEVELOPING THIS PROJECT, I SPOKE WITH OUR ARCHITECT, UH, DOUGLAS PANCAKE.
I SAID TO HIM, I ONLY HAVE ONE CONDITION.
I WANT THIS PROPERTY TO BE A TROPHY TYPE PROPERTY.
I SAID IN 25, 30 YEARS FROM NOW, IF I NEED MEMORY CARE OR ASSISTED LIVING, I'D LOVE TO BE ON THAT PROPERTY.
WE'VE PUT, IT'S DESIGNED BEAUTIFULLY.
IT HAS ATRIUMS RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE, TWO TERRACES SO THAT YOU CAN BE LOOKING OUT WEST WATCHING THE SUNSET OVER COWS MOUNTAIN.
I MEAN, I WANTED THOSE THINGS FOR MYSELF, TO
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BE HONEST WITH YOU,SO THAT WE'VE TAKEN EVERY SINGLE MEASURE POSSIBLE TO REDUCE 9 1 1 CALLS.
I'VE CONTRACTED WITH THREE SEPARATE AMBULANCE COMPANIES THAT IF WE NEED ASSISTANCE, OUR OPERATIONAL MEASURES SHOULD HANDLE IT.
TYPICALLY YOU'RE IN YOUR SIX TO EIGHT BED FACILITY.
MOST OF THE CALLS ARE ABOUT SOMEBODY FALLS FALLING OUTTA BED.
WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE THAT ISSUE.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE 24 HOUR ROUND THE CLOCK NURSES STA 80, 80 PEOPLE.
WE'RE GONNA HIRE HIGH PAYING JOBS WHO ARE GONNA TAKE CARE OF THESE RESIDENTS AND IF THEY CAN'T TAKE CARE OF THEM, GOD FORBID, A HEART ATTACK, WHATEVER, WE'VE GOT BACKUP AFTER BACKUP, AFTER BACKUP SYSTEMS. AND SO IF YOU HAVE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS, OUR STAFF IS HERE TO ANSWER ALL YOUR QUESTIONS.
THE FIRST QUESTION WAS ON ABOUT DELIVERY HOURS.
UM, DO YOU HAVE ANY OPERATIONAL PLAN? I KNOW THAT A FACILITY THAT CARES FOR 168 PEOPLE IS GOING TO BE MAKING A LOT OF FOOD, BREAKFAST, LUNCH, DINNER, BREAKFAST FOOD HAS TO BE DELIVERED BEFORE BREAKFAST SO THE COOKS CAN GET TO IT.
UH, JUST MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE NOT DISTURBING THE RESIDENTS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ALLEY.
I DON'T KNOW IF THIS ISSUE HAS COME UP IN THE PAST, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, I DIDN'T THINK IT WAS AN ISSUE, BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING, I DON'T ANTICIPATE A LOT OF DELIVERIES.
WE'RE NOT COSTCO OR, YOU KNOW, IT'S FOOD, RIGHT? AND IT'S NOT GONNA BE YOUR 20 TO 30 FOOT TRUCKS BRINGING IN FOOD EVERY SINGLE DAY.
THESE ARE SENIORS AND, UM, WE'RE GONNA HAVE SOME DELIVERIES.
UM, WE CAN ABSOLUTELY LIMIT 'EM TO, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER, EIGHT TO FIVE WHATEVER HOURS THAT ARE REASONABLE.
CERTAINLY WE DON'T WANT NIGHT DELIVERY OURSELVES.
I DON'T SEE THAT THAT AS AN ISSUE.
UM, THIS IS GOING TO BE INTERMEDIATE CARE, CORRECT? NOT NECESSARILY.
UM, UH, CARE FOR THOSE WHO, WHO CANNOT CARE FOR THEMSELVES.
UH, WELL IT'S, IT'S, IT'S NOT INDEPENDENT LIVING.
IT'S ASSISTED LIVING PRIMARILY AND MEMORY CARE SECONDARILY.
AND MEMORY CARE IS PRETTY INTENSE, RIGHT? YEAH.
SO IF YOU HAVE A, A COUPLE, FOR EXAMPLE, HUSBAND AND WIFE AND ONE NEEDS MEMORY CARE, THE OTHER ONE DOES NOT, BUT THEY WANNA STILL STAY TOGETHER, THEY COULD STAY TOGETHER IN YOUR FACILITY OR NO? YEAH, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT, I'M NOT AN EXPERT ON OPERATIONS.
I KNOW FROM MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE WAY WE STRUCTURED IT IS MEMORY CARE IS IN THE THIRD FLOOR.
WE DON'T WANT 'EM TO WANDERING AROUND SO YOU KNOW, MORE EYES ARE ON THEM.
WHEREAS, YOU KNOW, THE REST OF THE, THE FACILITY, THERE'S A LITTLE MORE ACCESS TO THE ATRIUM, TO THE TERRACES AND SO FORTH.
IN THAT EXAMPLE, HONESTLY, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE KIND OF EVALUATED BY OUR INTAKE STAFF, THE NURSES TO SEE IF IT'S COMPA.
UH, YOU KNOW, CAN YOU PUT SOMEBODY WITH MEMORY CARE ISSUES IN THE SAME ROOM BECAUSE THEY'RE RELATED, THEIR HUSBAND AND WIFE, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION HONESTLY.
THAT'S WHERE THE UH, PARKING, UH, COME, MIGHT COME INTO PLAY WHERE ONE PARTNER IS STILL DRIVING AND THEY HAVE AN AUTOMOBILE.
WELL, YOU KNOW, I BEG TO DIFFER WITH THAT.
I DON'T ANTICIPATE ANYBODY HAVING A CAR THERE.
AND THE REASON IS THIS IS NOT SENIOR LIVING AND THERE ARE SENIOR LIVING FACILITIES.
PEOPLE COME TO US BECAUSE THEY CAN'T TAKE CARE OF THEMSELVES.
AND I'M NOT AN EXPERT ON DMV LAWS AND ALL THAT.
TYPICALLY, IF YOU CAN'T TAKE CARE OF YOURSELF, YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO DROP.
SO THERE'S NO REASON, YOU KNOW, PARENTS OR LOVED ONES WILL, WILL, WILL DROP 'EM OFF AND VISIT THEM.
BUT TO HAVE, WE WILL HAVE A VAN.
IF SO, IF THEY WANNA GO DO AND WE WILL HAVE ACTIVITIES FOR THEM, YOU KNOW, TO DO THIS MAYBE TO GO TO A PARK, MAYBE TO GO TO WHATEVER.
WE WILL HAVE, BUT I DO NOT SEE ANY OF THEM ACTUALLY HAVING THEIR OWN CARS.
FOR ME IT'S MORE I'M A PUBLIC SAFETY BUFF, UM, IN REGARDS TO CALL FOR SERVICE AND MAYBE IT'S MORE OF AN ISSUE FOR NOT AN ISSUE.
MORE OF A QUESTION FOR, UH, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND THE CALLS FOR SERVICE.
THAT'S THE REASON WHY I ASKED MORE ABOUT IS THERE GONNA BE AN ON-DUTY 24 HOUR RN BECAUSE MAYBE WE CAN AVOID SOME 9 1 1 1 CALLS.
NOT, I WANNA QUANTIFY THAT TO SAY IF YOU NEED 9 1 1, YOU NEED IT.
IT'S MORE FOR, UM, FOR THE PUBLIC TO KNOW IS THERE GONNA BE A 24 HOUR, UH, MEDICAL PROVIDER ON DUTY.
UM, AND THEN THE SECOND QUESTION, I GUESS WOULD BE MORE FOR THE IMPACT FOR PUBLIC, UH, CALLS FOR SERVICE IF THEY DON'T ANTICIPATE A, A STRAIN ON A CALLS FOR SERVICE.
I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S NEEDED.
I THINK THAT WE'RE ALL GONNA NEED IT AT SOME POINT IN OUR LIVES.
UM, I THINK IT'S A GOOD PROJECT.
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HOLES AND GAPS, BUT I DO WORRY ABOUT THE CALLS FOR SERVICE AND THE IMPACT AND THE STRAIN ON OUR LOCAL FIRE DEPARTMENT.AND THE ONLY THING, AND YOU KNOW, THAT'S EXTREMELY REASONABLE, TO ME, THAT'S VERY REASONABLE.
THE FIRST THING THAT WAS KIND OF PORTRAYED TO US BY THE FIRE MARSHAL BY THE CITY IS LOOK, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN BRING MORE 160 PEOPLE HERE AND THEY'RE ALL ELDERLY, RIGHT? SO THERE, SO EVERYTHING WE'VE DONE OVER THE LAST TWO TO THREE YEARS HAS BEEN TO RESPOND TO THAT FROM, UH, YOU KNOW, IMPOSING STRICT GUIDELINES AND, AND, AND AND OPERATIONAL MANUAL ON HOW WE'RE GONNA DEAL WITH THAT.
SO I GUESS THE MORE DIRECT QUESTION FOR ME IS THERE'RE GONNA BE, 'CAUSE I'M, THERE'S GONNA BE OPERATIONAL THINGS WHICH YOU CAN APPRECIATE.
THERE'S GONNA BE OPERATIONAL NEEDS.
I GUESS THE MORE DIRECT QUESTION IS, WILL YOU GUYS HAVE A 24 HOUR, UH, MEDICAL, NOT, NOT TALKING LIKE
YOU GOTTA GO TO THE HOSPITAL OBVIOUSLY.
BUT IF IT'S SOMETHING LESS DRASTIC, IS IT SOMETHING THAT MAYBE THAT THE PROVIDER, THAT THE LOCAL OWNER APPLICANT CAN TAKE CARE OF YOU GUYS? IF YOU GUYS ANTICIPATED THAT AND ARE YOU PROVIDING FOR THAT? THAT'S MY ONLY QUESTION 'CAUSE I THINK IT'S A GOOD PROJECT.
RIGHT? AND I, AND I, I THINK THE BEST ANSWER I CAN GIVE YOU IS THAT WE'VE TAKEN, TAKEN, YOU KNOW, PLAN A, B, C, AND D INTO, YOU KNOW, PLAN A IS TO HAVE 24 HOUR SERVICE, UH, PROFESSIONAL SERVICE TO HELP THESE PEOPLE.
RIGHT? SO NOW THEY CAN'T, SOMEONE HAS A HEART ATTACK, GOD FORBID.
SO NOW WHAT DO WE DO? SO NOW THERE'S PLAN B WHERE WHETHER IT'S THE NURSE TRIAGE PROGRAM, WHETHER IT'S TELEMEDICINE, WHETHER IT'S, WE HAVE, UH, PROVIDED, UH, A, UH, AN AGREEMENT WITH THREE AMBULANCE COMPANIES AND ONE OF THEM IS, IS BASICALLY THE MOST IMPORTANT ONE I THOUGHT WAS THAT THEY WILL NOT REFUSE ANY SERVICE THAT THEY'RE WITHIN THEIR COMMUNITY, THEIR LINE OF WORK, THAT IF THEY GET A CALL AND THEY CAN'T MEET THAT CALL RIGHT AWAY, IT AUTOMATICALLY GOES TO THE NEXT PERSON IN LINE OR THE NEXT COMPANY IN LINE.
SO WE HAVE, LOOK, HERE'S THE BEST THING I CAN TELL YOU.
IF WE'RE IN OPERATIONS AND, AND THERE ARE CALLS COMING IN FOR 9 1 1 LEFT AND RIGHT, THEN SOMETHING IS WRONG, RIGHT? WE HAVE TO THEN CHANGE OUR APPROACH.
I THINK WE HAVE SPENT SO MUCH ENERGY STUDIES AND TIME TO TRY TO PERFECT.
TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE A HINDRANCE ON OUR 9 1 1 CALLS.
AND WELL, I WANNA MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTAND THAT.
I DON'T WANT TO, THERE, I DON'T THINK ANYONE'S EXPECTING PERFECTION.
YOU CAN'T ANTICIPATE THE ANTICIPATED, BUT CAN THE CITY ANTICIPATE THAT YOU HAVE AT LEAST SOME FORM OF MEDICAL CARE 24 HOURS? I GUESS THAT'S AN EASIER QUESTION.
I THINK THAT QUESTION HAS BEEN ANSWERED TWICE.
AND, AND FROM EXPERIENCE MEMORY CARE, YOU'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE SOMEONE ONTE ON CALL 24 HOURS.
DO YOU AGREE WITH THAT? OH YES.
WE, 24 HOUR GO, SO PAUL MULLEN, UH, FLATIRON, WE RETAINED HIM AND HE HAS TREMENDOUS EXPERIENCE IN THE OPERATIONAL ASPECTS AND MANAGEMENT.
I THINK HE'S IN, HE WAS INVOLVED, INVOLVED WITH THE LA MESA PROJECT.
I GUESS FOR ME IT WAS, AND YOU'RE RIGHT, IT'S BEEN ANSWERED TWICE.
SO I DON'T WANT, I DON'T WANNA BELABOR A POINT.
MY QUESTION MAINLY IS FOR THE PUBLIC, CAN THE PUBLIC ANTICIPATE, AT LEAST THE CITY, ANTICIPATE THAT YOU HAVE 24 HOUR MEDICAL AT LEAST TO TRIAGE IT? YES.
IF THE ANSWER IS YES, THEN IT'S REQUIRED BY THE DEPARTMENT OF SOCIAL SERVICES AND OUR LICENSE.
CAN YOU IDENTIFY YOURSELF? SURE.
AND I, I DIDN'T CATCH WHAT YOUR ROLE IS.
FLATIRON IS AN OPERATIONAL AND DEVELOPMENT COMPANY IN SENIOR HOUSING.
OKAY, WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL WE'LL BE HELPING ROBERT SET UP THE OPERATIONS IN THE COMMUNITY.
WE ALSO HELP WITH THIS PROGRAM.
WHICH I HAVE HONESTLY NEVER SEEN ANYBODY SO DILIGENT TO ADDRESS, UH, EMS SERVICES THAN THIS PROJECT.
WE'VE DONE PROJECTS ALL OVER THE COUNTRY.
UM, OTHER COMMUNITIES HAVE SIMILAR PROBLEMS WITH EMS, BUT HONESTLY I'VE NEVER SEEN A PLAN LIKE THE ONE THAT ROBERT'S PUT TOGETHER WITH US.
AND IT, IT'S NOT DIFFICULT TO IMPLEMENT, IT'S JUST SOMETHING I'VE NEVER SEEN BEFORE FOR ASSISTED LIVING.
AND THE IDEA BEHIND ASSISTED LIVING WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF SOCIAL SERVICES LICENSE IS THAT YOU ARE CARRYING 24 7 FOR YOUR ELDERLY RESIDENTS.
THE THE UNFORTUNATE THING IS IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND WHO'S CALLING FOR SERVICE.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT A POPULATION OF EL CAJON, IS IT PEOPLE IN ASSISTED LIVING OR IS IT
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AN 85-YEAR-OLD THAT FELL OUT OF BED CALLING FROM HOME? SO, UM, I CAN ASSURE YOU, IN ASSISTED LIVING WE'RE CARING FOR THOSE RESIDENTS.WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO PASS THE BUCK ON TO EMS. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.
UH, DO WE NEED HIM TO FILL OUT A SPEAKER CARD? YES.
LOST YOUR LAST NAME AGAIN? MULLEN.
ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO, THANK YOU.
MR. GARMA, DO WE HAVE OTHER SPEAKER CARDS? WE DO.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS? OKAY.
YOU CAN COME UP, SPEAK AND THEN FILL OUT A SPEAKER CARD AND TURN THAT IN AFTERWARDS.
I'M, UH, ONE OF THE HOMEOWNER IN THE BACK, UH, BEHIND THE BUILDING THAT'S GOING BE TO BE BUILT.
CAN YOU SPELL YOUR LAST NAME PLEASE? AHMADI.
YEAH, SO ONE OF MY CONCERN IS ABOUT THE PRIVACY OF MY HOME AND THE MAIN SOURCE OF SUNLIGHT.
OUR, IN OUR HOME IS FOR THROUGH THE BACKSIDE AND WE HAVE THREE BIG WINDOWS AND, UH, DURING THE DAY WE HAVE TO LET IT OPEN THE, ALL THE CURTAINS AND STUFF SO THAT WE CAN GET THE SUNLIGHT INSIDE THE HOUSE.
SO MY BIGGEST CONCERN BY THE PRIVACY IS THAT ONCE THE BUILDING IS BUILT, A THREE STORY BUILDING WITH, UH, MANY WINDOWS, WHAT IS GONNA BE HAPPENING TO OUR PRIVACY BECAUSE WE HAVE, WE WILL HAVE PEOPLE WATCHING INTO OUR WINDOWS AND WE CAN'T AND THEY CAN'T GUARANTEE ANYTHING ABOUT THAT AS WELL.
AND UH, THEY ALSO SAID SELFISHLY ABOUT THEIR, THAT HOW THEY WANNA ENJOY THEIR SUNSET WHILE TAKING THAT RIDE FROM US.
AND IT IS GONNA HAVE A BIG EFFECT ON OUR HOUSE.
UH, AND ONE OF THE REASON THAT I BOUGHT SPEC, SPECIFICALLY THAT HOUSE IN THIS CITY IS THAT BECAUSE OF THE BIG, UH, OPENING IN THE BACKSIDE SO THAT I CAN HAVE A VIEW OF THE CITY AND THE DAYLIGHT AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
SO, AND UH, AL ALSO THE CONCERN ABOUT THE CARBON FOOTPRINTS THAT IS GONNA BRING INSIDE MY HOUSE TO THE BACKSIDE.
AND THAT'S ALSO ONE OF THE REASON THAT I WANNA ASK THEM IF THEY HAVE ANY PLANS ABOUT THOSE CONCERNS I HAVE TODAY.
SO, UM, STAFF OF COURSE ENFORCES THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
UM, THE ZONING ORDINANCE IN THE GENERAL COMMERCIAL ZONE PROVIDES A HEIGHT LIMIT OF 35 FEET.
UM, WE EXPRESSED, UH, ON MULTIPLE OCCASIONS AND EARLY SUBMITTALS, UH, CONCERNS WITH THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE BUILDING, UM, AND THE SURROUNDING, UH, RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES ACROSS THE ALLEY.
UM, ULTIMATELY, UH, REVISIONS WERE MADE TO THE APPLICATION TO, TO TRY TO, UM, MAKE ACCOMMODATIONS FOR THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES AND IMPROVE THE COMPATIBILITY BY SETTING THE BUILDING DOWN INTO THAT PAD RATHER THAN, UM, KEEPING IT ELEVATED AND FILLING IT, WHICH IS HOW THE INITIAL SUBMITTALS WERE MADE.
UM, SO AGAIN, UM, WHERE 35 FEET IS THE NORMAL HEIGHT LIMIT FROM THE BACK, UM, THE BUILDING SITS PROBABLY 30 FEET, A, A GOOD FIVE FEET LOWER THAN THE ACTUAL HEIGHT LIMIT, UM, THAT'S PERMITTED BY, BY THE CODE.
UM, IN TERMS OF, UH, UH, TRANSPARENCY AND, AND WINDOWS FACING ADJACENT PRIVATE PROPERTY, UM, OF COURSE THERE WILL BE WINDOWS.
UM, WE DON'T HAVE CONTROLS IN THE CODE THAT WOULD, UH, ALLOW STAFF TO, UM, UH, REALLY ENFORCE A, A RESTRICTION ON THE ORIENTATION OF THOSE WINDOWS.
UM, THERE IS OF COURSE A, A VIEWING DECK IN THE BACK, AND THAT IS, UM, A CONCERN, BUT, UM, PERHAPS CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL MIGHT BE ADDED TO, TO REQUIRE, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, SMOKED GLASS OR SOMETHING ELSE, OR, OR, UH, PLANTING ALONG THAT AREA TO, TO LIMIT, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, PRIVACY.
BUT THAT IS THE MEMORY CARE WING.
UM, AND THEN I THINK THAT'S WORTH NOTING.
AND THEN, AND, UH, ONE MORE QUESTION IS THAT SINCE WE ARE PRIVATE HOMELESS AND WE SAW PRIVATE PARTY AND, UH, ON THE, ESPECIALLY ON THE WEEKENDS, SOME RESIDENTS MIGHT HAVE PARTIES IN THEIR, IN THE HOME.
SO DURING THE, THE LEGAL HOURS, ARE WE GONNA HAVE ANY PROBLEMS FROM THE SENIORS SINCE THEY ARE REALLY, UH, IRRITATED BY THE NOISE AND STUFF THAT, THAT WOULD CAUSE ALL THIS CAUSE THAT WE, WE MIGHT RECEIVE AGAINST US DURING THOSE LEGAL HOURS? WILL THEY TAKE THOSE RIGHTS FROM US AS WELL? THERE SHOULDN'T BE ANY ISSUE WITH THAT.
THE INSULATION ON THESE BUILDINGS WILL BE VERY THICK, ESPECIALLY ON THE RESIDENTIAL END.
UH, BUT FOR A BUILDING OF THIS SIZE, THERE SHOULDN'T BE ANY EFFECT UNLESS YOU ARE WAKING THE WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD AT WHICH POINT THE POLICE WOULD CALL.
AND, UH, ALSO THE, UH, CONCERN ABOUT THE HEIGHT IS EVEN IF IT'S, UH, A LITTLE BIT, UH, UH, LOWER THAN WHAT THE ACTUAL THREE HEIGHT STORY MIGHT BE, IT STILL IS GONNA BE COVERING OUR VIEW AND OUR HOUSE AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
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THE, I THINK THE INTERESTING ASPECT OF THIS PROJECT IS THAT IT'S A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.AND THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IS TO LOOK AT THE OPERATIONS AND MAKE SURE THAT THE OPERATIONS CAN BE COMPATIBLE WITH SURROUNDING PROPERTIES AND USES.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE PROVIDED THE EXAMPLE OF THE WALGREENS WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT CALLS FOR SERVICE.
AND SO WE USE THAT, UH, EXAMPLE BECAUSE IT'S A USE THAT'S PERMITTED, UH, BY RIGHT WITHOUT ANY DISCRETION BY STAFF.
SO IF SOMEONE WERE TO PURCHASE THAT PROPERTY AND WANT TO COME IN AND BUILD A 35 FOOT TALL WALGREENS AS MEASURED FROM THE HEIGHT OF THE ALLEY, THAT WOULD BE PERMITTED WITHOUT, UM, ANY DISCRETIONARY ACTION.
UM, AND THAT WOULD BE CONSTRUCTED WITHOUT A PUBLIC HEARING NOTICE BEING SENT TO THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS.
SO, UM, IN THIS INSTANCE, I THINK THE, THE APPLICANT AND THE ARCHITECT HAVE, HAVE WORKED, UH, PROACTIVELY WITH STAFF TO KIND OF ADDRESS THAT CONCERN AND STEPPING THE BUILDING BACK A LITTLE BIT WITH THE, UM, WITH THE VIEWING DECK IN THE REAR.
SO, UH, I THINK THE APPLICANT HAS TAKEN SOME STEPS TO ADDRESS IT, BUT I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF EQUATE THE TWO, WHICH IS, UM, A LARGER BUILDING COULD BE CONSTRUCTED THERE, UH, WITHOUT A PUBLIC HEARING.
AND, UH, I'LL SAY THIS, THAT THE ARCHITECT AND DESIGNER HAVE SET IT BACK 10 FEET AND STEPPED IT BACK.
SO YOU'LL HAVE MORE SUNLIGHT THAN YOU WOULD HAVE IF THEY HAD BUILT ALL THE WAY UP INTO THE FRONT.
UNFORTUNATELY, THERE'S NO, UH, VIEW RIGHTS IN THE CITY OF ELCON.
I KNOW MY GRANDPARENTS LIVED ON A HILL IN BAY PARK, AND THAT WAS A BIG THING WITH THE RESIDENTS.
ONE PERSON BUILT A TWO STORY HOME AND BLOCKED SOMEONE ELSE'S VIEW, SO THE PERSON BEHIND THEM BUILT A TWO STORY HOME AND BLOCKED THE PERSON BEHIND THEM.
THEY BUILT A STORY AND THIS WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD JUST GREW BECAUSE EVERYBODY WANTED THEIR VIEW.
UH, UNFORTUNATELY WE DON'T HAVE ANY VIEW PROTECTIONS IN THE CITY OF ELCON.
AND WHILE THE PLANT HOUSE WOULD'VE BEEN A LOVELY BACKYARD, UH, A RESIDENTIAL CARE FACILITY IS ALLOWED AND THEY'VE DONE ALL THEY CAN TO KEEP IT FROM LOOMING OVER YOUR HOUSE.
BUT, UH, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT YOUR SUNSETS.
NO, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT ONLY ABOUT THE SUNSET, IT'S LIKE ABOUT LIKE BRINGING A WHOLE BUILDING INSIDE MY BACKYARD.
IT'S, IT'S MY CONCERNS ABOUT THAT.
AND OTHER THAN THAT, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO SAY.
AND WE CAN, UH, TALK TO APPLICANT ABOUT THAT VIEWING DECK ON THE BACK AND MAYBE PUTTING SOME PLANTS OR SOMETHING, MAKING THAT BACK SO THAT THEY'RE NOT STARING DIRECTLY INTO YOUR BACKYARD.
YEAH, THAT WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED.
UH, WE HAVE ANOTHER SPEAKER REQUEST.
UM, IS THIS, FOR THIS ITEM? HE PREVIOUSLY SPOKE.
MY NAME IS THOMAS YOUNG HUSBAND AND MY NEIGHBOR AND I BOTH LIVE ON THE ALLEYWAY JUST ADJACENT TO WHERE THIS PROPERTY'S GOING TO BE GOING IN.
AND I'VE BEEN THERE FOR 20 YEARS AND BOB HAS BEEN THERE ABOUT THE SAME.
AND THAT ALLEYWAY IS SOMETHING THAT IS AN ABSOLUTE NIGHTMARE FOR US AND HAS BEEN, AND I HAD THOUGHT MANY TIMES ABOUT COMING INTO CITY COUNCIL AND TALKING ABOUT THAT, BUT HOWEVER, LOOKING AT YOUR DRAWINGS AND SEEING WHAT YOU HAVE PROPOSED, OUR CONCERN IS, IS THAT WHEN THEY FIND TROUBLE WITH MAYBE GETTING MATERIALS AND TRUCKS AND SO, SO FORTH IN AND OUT OF THERE, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE AN MGAS, INGRESS, REG, UH, INGRESS, RESS TO THE ALLEYWAY WHERE CARS ARE GOING TO BE USING THAT ON A VERY CONSTANT BASIS.
AND ONE THING THAT ALLEY DOES NOT NEED IS MORE TRAFFIC.
SO IF WE HAVE THE ASSUREDNESS THAT THAT IS GOING TO BE JUST FOR THE TRACK PICKUP OR THE TRASH PICKUP AND STUFF IN THAT LITTLE ALL COVE, THAT'S OBVIOUSLY WHAT IT IT'S MEANT FOR.
BUT TO FUTURE PLANS OF MAYBE GOING TO PLAN B AND CUTTING THAT OPEN SO TRUCKS CAN GET IN AND OUT OF THERE, OR HAVING THAT TRAFFIC GOING BACK AND FORTH IN THAT ALLEYWAY WON'T BE ACCEPTABLE TO THE RESIDENCE AT ALL.
UH, SO YOUR, YOUR CONCERN IS MORE FOR THE CONSTRUCTION.
I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THEM OPENING UP THE REAR OF THAT PROPERTY ON THE ALLEY AND ALLOWING CARS TO GO IN AND OUT, DELIVERY TRUCKS TO GO IN AND OUT.
THERE'S ALREADY A PROBLEM WITH THE ALLEY, BUT THAT'S ONLY GOING TO MAKE IT WORSE.
DO YOU HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS THAT WOULD MAKE IT MORE ACCEPTABLE TO, I WOULD SAY FOR TRASH PICKUP ONLY THAT ALL COVE, I DIDN'T GET A REALLY GOOD PICTURE OF THAT, BUT THE ALL COVE THEY'VE DEVELOPED IN THERE, LIKE WE ALL HAVE ONE WHERE THEY ROLL THE DUMPSTERS OUT, THE TRUCK COMES IN, PICKS 'EM UP, DUMPS 'EM, THEY LOCK THE GATES AND THEY DRIVE AWAY.
BUT TO HAVE THAT OPENING GO INTO THE FACILITY ITSELF IS GOING TO ALLOW TRUCKS, YOU KNOW, THE, THE WHOEVER'S NEEDS TO GO IN AND OUT IS NOT GONNA USE SECOND STREET.
A LOT OF TIMES THEY'RE GONNA USE THAT ALLEYWAY.
THE ENTRANCE TO THE PARKING GARAGE AND TO THE STRUCTURES ON SECOND DELIVERY TRUCKS WILL MAKE STOPS AT THE BACK
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FOR FOOD, FOR SUPPLIES.THAT ALLEYWAY IS TOO NARROW, TOO BUSY, AND YOU'RE GONNA HAVE SOME PROBLEMS ON YOUR HANDS WITH THAT.
I JUST BY OPINION, I'VE LIVED THERE FOR OVER 20 YEARS AND I'VE SEEN PEOPLE, I'M A FORMER LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER GOING 85 MILES AN HOUR DOWN THAT ALLEYWAY, DOWN THE ALLEY DOWN.
IT'S A, IT'S A RACEWAY AND THERE, YOU KNOW, KIDS AND BIKES AND MOTORCYCLES AND STUFF.
BUT BY, IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM THINKING YOU'RE GONNA DELIVER SOMETHING OUT OF THAT ALLEY INTO THAT BUSINESS, IT, IT'S GONNA BE A NIGHTMARE.
I, UM, I DON'T SEE A DRIVEWAY GOING TO THE ALLEY.
I SEE THE DRIVEWAY IN THE FRONT, BUT I DON'T SEE A DRIVEWAY IN THE BACK.
IS THERE A DRIVEWAY IN THE BACK? THERE'S NO DRIVEWAY IN THE BACK, BUT HOW ARE THEY GONNA GET THEIR DELIVERIES? DO YOU? THERE'S A RECEIVING BAY NEXT TO THE TRASH PICKUP.
UH, STAFF, UM, THE APPLICANT OF COURSE CAN SPEAK MORE TO, UH, DELIVERY OPERATIONS AND THE DAY-TO-DAY OPERATIONS OF THE SITE.
I WOULD, UH, REITERATE AGAIN, UM, THAT THE PRIMARY DRIVEWAY, UM, FOR, FOR CARS, UH, UH, VISITING THE SITE, UH, STAFF IS OFF NORTH SECOND STREET.
UM, IT, IT IS ANTICIPATED TO BE, AGAIN, A LOW END, UH, A LOW INTENSITY USE BASED ON A PARKING, UH, RATE OF 0.39 SPACES PER BED.
UM, THEY DO PROVIDE THE RECESS ALONG THE ALLEY THERE FOR, UM, DELIVERY, WHICH IS ANTICIPATED, UM, ONLY FOR THOSE PURPOSES.
AND I MIGHT ADD THAT, UM, THE RESOLUTION AND AND PLANNING POLICY IN GENERAL WOULD REQUIRE DEVELOPMENT CONSISTENT WITH THIS PLAN SET.
SO THERE SHOULD NOT BE ANY CHANGES TO THESE FLOOR PLANS WHICH WOULD RE REORIENT THOSE DRIVEWAYS.
HOW, HOW DEEP IS THE RECESS? APPROXIMATELY? 12 FEET.
UH, UH, WE WERE JUST GONNA SUGGEST THAT MAYBE IF THE TRAFFIC DOES COME BACK AND FORTH, THEY HAVE, THEY HAVE SPEED BUMPS INSTALLED IN THAT LY IT'S SOMETHING WE NEED ANYWAY.
UH, GO AHEAD AND FILL OUT YOUR SPEAKER CARD AND TURN IT IN.
DO WE HAVE ANOTHER SPEAKER? YES, I HAVE A CARD FROM SEAN SAVAGE.
I'M THE CIVIL ENGINEER WORKING WITH THE APPLICANT.
UH, JUST TO REITERATE SOME OF THE CONCERNS WITH THAT PARKING GARAGE BEING DEPRESSED LOW, THERE'S NO WAY FOR THEM TO OPEN THAT UP TO THE ALLEY.
AND I WAS GONNA SUGGEST THAT THAT, UM, SETBACK THAT WE HAVE ALONG THE ALLEY, THE TRUCKS WILL BE ABLE TO PULL OVER TO THE SIDE THERE AND THAT ALLEY BEING 24 FOOT WIDE PRESENTLY THERE WOULD BE ADEQUATE ROOM FOR THEM TO PASS BY ANY VEHICULAR TRAFFIC.
UM, THE ANTICIPATION IS THAT YOU'RE NOT HAVING BACKING UP AND INGRESS, EGRESS, PERPENDICULAR.
IT ALL STAYS PARALLEL IN THE DIRECTION OF TRAVEL.
AND OUT OF CURIOSITY, FROM AN OPERATIONAL STANDPOINT, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN ADDRESS THIS, HOW OFTEN WOULD A DELIVERY BE MADE? I WOULD DEFER TO PAUL MULLEN ON THAT.
SO, SO TYPICALLY WE'LL SEE DELIVERIES ONCE A WEEK IN THE MORNING.
UM, CISCO IS THE PRIMARY DELIVERER FOOD.
I THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, MIKE SAID IT BEST.
IT'D PROBABLY BE A BOX TRUCK THAT WE'D ORDER THEM TO USE.
NOT A, WE, WE WOULDN'T WANT A SEMI BY ANY MEANS.
SO WE WOULD WORK THAT OUT WITH THE FOOD DELIVERY SERVICE.
BUT USUALLY IT'S ONCE A WEEK IN THE MORNING.
UM, WE'RE NOT LOOKING FOR TONS OF DELIVERIES, UH, OKAY.
SO FOOD DELIVERIES, UH, JANITORIAL SUPPLIES, MEDICAL SUPPLIES.
THE, THE BIGGEST DELIVERY, NOT A LOT WOULD BE FOOD.
UM, ALL THE DME AND EVERYTHING ELSE COULD COME INTO THE GARAGE IN A, IN A VAN OR IN A BOX TRUCK.
IF I AGAIN MAY JUST REITERATE, MR. GARMA, I THINK I WANT TO ADDRESS IS THE ONLY OPENING WHERE CARS CAN COME IN AND OUT IS THROUGH MAIN STREET, UH, THROUGH, UH, SECOND, UH, SECOND STREET.
THERE IS NO DRIVEWAY TO GO IN AND OUT FROM THE BACK.
IT'S JUST FOR PURPOSE OF DELIVERY.
SO THEY, THEY, WE DESIGNED IT HONESTLY AT, AT MORE COSTS SO THAT NONE OF OUR NEIGHBORS SEE A CAR, YOU KNOW, A PARKING LOT.
WE COULD HAVE WOULD'VE BEEN HUNDREDS OF THOUSAND DOLLARS CHEAPER FOR US HAD WE LEFT THE PARKING UNCOVERED.
I, I PUSHED TO SAY, LOOK, I DON'T WANNA SEE A PARKING LOT HERE.
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AND SO THAT THE ONLY ACCESS POINT INSIDE THROUGH VEHICLES IS THROUGH THE FRONT.
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I DON'T HAVE ANY MORE CARDS.SEEING NO MORE SPEAKERS, I MO MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
SECOND MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONER SERCO, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER EDISON.
AND MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF MEMBERS PRESENT.
SO THERE ARE SOME CONCERNS WITH THE ALLEYWAY, BUT, UH, MOST OF THOSE ARE NEIGHBORHOOD CONCERNS.
I MEAN, I'M ON OAKDALE, OUR POSTED SPEED LIMIT IS 30 AND PEOPLE GO 75 DOWN AT YEAH.
I MEAN, PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE PEOPLE, UH, IN REGARDS TO THE SPEED BUMPS BRING THEIR OWN PROBLEMS, BUT WHERE THEY'RE SAYING THEY WANT SPEED BUMPS, I'M NOT EVEN SURE IF WE CAN DO THAT.
I'M NOT EVEN SURE IF IT'S CITY PROPERTY IS THAT I AT LEAST TO ACKNOWLEDGE THEIR SUGGESTION.
WHAT WOULD BE STAFF'S RESPONSE TO THAT? YEAH.
THAT, THAT ALLEY'S A, A PUBLIC ALLEY AND, UH, WE'VE GOT NO SOUND ON YOU.
THE, THE ALLEY'S A PUBLIC ALLEY.
UM, THE SPEED BUMPS WE DON'T REALLY DO HERE IN THE CITY.
UM, WE CAN ALWAYS, UH, PUT IN ADDITIONAL, UH, SPEED LIMIT SIGNS.
I KNOW THERE ARE SPEED LIMIT SIGNS ON THE NORTH AND SOUTH OF THAT ALLEY.
IT'S A 15 MILE PER HOUR, UM, ALLEYWAY AND IT CAN BE ENFORCED AS A 50 MILE PER HOUR.
BUT, UH, WE WOULD JUST HAVE TO ADD SOME MORE SIGNS OR PAVEMENT MARKINGS WITH THE 15 MILE PER HOUR.
WELL, I MEAN, I MEAN, AND THE COST IS ALWAYS A FACTOR.
I MEAN, THE SIGNS WOULD BE A LESSER COST WOULD, WHAT WOULD BE YOUR ANSWER TO THAT? YEAH, THE SIGNS DEFINITELY WOULD BE A LESSER COST SPEED BUMPS.
AND THEN THE TYPE OF SPEED BUMP THAT WE WOULD USE THERE, IT WOULD, SINCE IT'S AN ALLEYWAY, WOULD BE NOT LIKE A PARKING LOT BUMP WOULD BE JUST LIKE A REG NORMAL SPEED HUMP THAT WE U THAT THE CITY HAS USED IN THE PAST.
WELL I, UH, I THINK IT'S A GOOD PROJECT.
IT'S BETTER THAN NOT WHAT WE HAVE THERE RIGHT NOW.
UM, SO I, I THINK THAT'S, UM, IT'S A GOOD THING.
AND SO FAR AS ADDING SOME FOLIAGE IN THE, UH, OVERHANG OR THE, UH, BALCONY, UH, I WOULDN'T MIND GOING WITH THAT.
BUT I THINK ALL IN ALL I THINK, UH, IT'S WELL THOUGHT OUT, WELL PLANNED AND I THINK IT WOULD BE AN IMPROVEMENT ON THAT STREET ON, ON THE ALLEY AND THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY.
WE'VE GOT AN AGING POPULATION, MYSELF INCLUDED,
SO, UH, I'M, I'M CLOSER TO IT THAN YOU ARE
UH, I THINK IT'S BEAUTIFUL DESIGN, HAVING THE PARKING STRUCTURE COVERED BY AN ATRIUM, HAVING A COURTYARD ON THE INSIDE THE PERIMETER.
UM, THE, THE MEMORY CARE ON THE THIRD FLOOR.
THE, THE COVERAGE, ALL THAT STUFF, YOU'VE GUYS HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB.
YOU'VE DONE A LOT OF THINKING MR. GARMO.
UM, SO THERE, THERE WERE ONE OR TWO THINGS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT, UH, IN THE DISCUSSION.
ONE WOULD BE TO LIMIT DELIVERIES DURING NORMAL BUSINESS HOURS SO THAT THERE'S NO 2:00 AM DELIVERY, WAKING KIDS UP IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, AND THEN THE CONCERNS WITH THE VIEWING OF PEOPLE'S BACKYARDS AND INTO THEIR HOMES FROM THAT LOFT.
I'M SURE YOU GUYS CAN WORK WITH THE APPLICANT ON THAT.
I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO PUT THAT INTO THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF WE COULD INCORPORATE THE DELIVERY HOURS INTO THOSE CONDITIONS.
UH, I'M, I'M LOOKING OVER AT THE APPLICANT AND THEY'RE NODDING, UH, YES.
SO, UH, THEY HAVE NO CONCERNS WITH THAT.
AND WHAT ABOUT THE SPEED? CAN WE DO AT LEAST ONE OR TWO SIGNS AS, AS A DETERRENT? I KNOW IT'S NOT GONNA STOP PEOPLE FROM BEING WHAT THEY DO, BUT MORE OF A DETERRENT.
WELL, I DON'T THINK THE SIGNS ARE SO MUCH A PART OF THIS DEVELOPMENT.
SO IT WOULDN'T GO WITH THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL.
IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT PART OF IT.
BUT WOULD YOU BE, WOULD THE APPLICANT BE OPPOSED? IT'S, IT'S NOT PART OF YOUR PROJECT SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER.
PUBLIC HEARINGS CURRENTLY CLOSED.
SO YEAH, YOU'RE, YOU HE'S GONNA SAY, HONESTLY, I WOULD PREFER TO HAVE A COUPLE OF SIGNS FROM US THAT SAYS CHILDREN AT PLAY SLOW DOWN OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
'CAUSE THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED.
I JUST, I JUST WANTED TO, IT'S MORE OF A SUGGESTION, SO YEAH, SURE.
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CERTAINLY, UH, ADD THAT AS A REQUIREMENT TO THE, TO THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.UM, SO IF YOU WANTED TO ADD A REQUIREMENT TO ADD, UM, AN ADDITIONAL SIGN, UH, A SPEED LIMIT SIGN, UH, WE COULD WORK WITH THE APPLICANT TO IMPLEMENT THAT.
DO WE WISH TO DO SO? I WOULD LIKE TO DO A MOTION.
WELL, ARE WE READY FOR A MOTION? I THINK SO.
I WOULD MOVE TO ADOPT THE NEXT RESOLUTION IN ORDER APPROVING THE PROPOSED SE A EXEMPT AND CUP NUMBER 2020 3 0 0 0 4 SUBJECT CONDITIONS.
AND WITH THE AMENDMENTS WE SUGGESTED WITH THE AMENDMENTS.
ALRIGHT, MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER UH EDISON, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER SOLE, PLEASE VOTE.
MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF MEMBERS PRESENT.
THIS IS NOT GOING TO CITY COUNCIL, SO UNLESS IT'S APPEALED.
THIS ITEM IS ACTION IS FINAL IF YOU WANT TO APPEAL, DO SO WITH THE FILING OF FORM AND PAYMENT OF A FILING FEE NO LATER THAN 5:00 PM MONDAY, JANUARY 6TH, 2025 IN THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE.
AND MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I MAY JUST, UH, TO CLARIFY THE ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL THAT WOULD BE, UM, DELIVERY HOURS, UH, BETWEEN 8:00 AM AND 5:00 PM AND THEN, UM, AND THEN ADDING A REQUIREMENT, UH, FOR THE IMPLEMENTATION OF A, UM, SPEED LIMITING SIGN.
HOWEVER, U USUALLY THE PRODUCE MARKET IS OPEN BETWEEN FOUR AND 5:00 AM IN THE MORNING.
SO IF THE TRUCKS GO TO THE PRODUCE MARKET, THEY PICK UP THEIR DELIVERY USUALLY BY SIX OR SEVEN O'CLOCK THEY COULD DELIVER.
SO YOU WANNA SET A TIME LIMIT DURING THOSE HOURS BETWEEN EIGHT.
OH, LET'S TAKE A BRIEF ONE MINUTE SO YOU CAN CLEAR.
IT'S BEEN SITTING UP IN THE, LET'S
[ Public Hearing Item 3]
CONTINUE WITH AGENDA ITEM NUMBER THREE.THIS IS A GARAGE AUTOBODY SHOP.
THE REQUEST IS AN AUTO BODY AND PAINT SHOP.
IT IS CQA EXEMPT AND STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL STAFF.
UH, GOOD EVENING PLANNING COMMISSIONERS.
I'M AN ASSOCIATE PLANNER WITH COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.
UH, AND THE THE NEXT PROJECT FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION IS GARAGE AUTOBODY SHOP, UH, SUBMITTED BY MUSTAFA AMI.
UH, THE PROJECT PROPOSES, AGAIN, AN AUTOBODY SHOP, UH, THAT WOULD BE LOCATING IN AN EXISTING COMMERCIAL STRUCTURE.
UH, THE PROJECT DOES NOT PROPOSE TO MODIFY THE EXISTING BUILDING, BUT DOES PLAN, UH, TO, UH, INSTALL AN INDOOR PAINT BOOTH, UH, OUTSIDE OF THE PAINT BOOTH.
UH, THE ONLY PHYSICAL CHANGES WOULD BE A PROJECT BOUNDARY WALL, UH, WHICH WOULD BE ALONG THE SOUTHERLY PROPERTY LINE, UH, WHICH IS A PROPOSED CONDITION OF APPROVAL.
THE SITE IS ADDRESSED 8 21 WEST MAIN STREET, WHICH IS BETWEEN RICHARDSON AND RICHFIELD AVENUES.
THE SITE IS JUST OVER 5,000 SQUARE FEET OR 0.12 ACRES.
AND THE EXISTING STRUCTURE COVERS ROUGHLY 90% OF THAT PROPERTY.
SURROUNDING USES INCLUDE THE SDGE PEAKER PLANT TO THE NORTH ACROSS WEST MAIN STREET, A RECREATIONAL VEHICLE AND AUTO UPHOLSTERER TO THE EAST, A PAINT CONTRACTOR AND WASTE HAULER TO THE WEST.
AND A RESIDENTIAL UNIT DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO THE SOUTH.
THE PROJECT IS WITHIN THE, UH, GENERAL PLAN DESIGNATION, GENERAL COMMERCIAL, AND ALSO WITHIN THE GENERAL COMMERCIAL ZONING DESIGNATION.
UH, THE SITE IS ALSO WITHIN THE, UH, COMMERCIAL VILLAGE DESIGNATION WITHIN THE TRANSIT DISTRICT SPECIFIC PLAN.
THE TDSP DOES NOT PROHIBIT AUTO RELATED USES WITHIN THE BOUNDARIES.
UH, THE EXISTING STRUCTURE INCLUDES OFFICES A LOBBY AND ROLL-UP VEHICLE DOOR DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO THE FRONTAGE ON WEST MAIN STREET, UH, AND TO THE REAR OF THE LOT.
THE STRUCTURE IS A, UH, QUO STYLE GARAGE.
UH, AND AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, THE, THE BUILDING COVERS THE MAJORITY OF THAT, OF THAT PROPERTY.
HERE'S THE PROPOSED FLOOR PLAN, UH, AND IT
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SHOWS THE EXISTING CONFIGURATION OF THE BUILDING, UH, WITH THE DASHED LINE INDICATING THE APPROXIMATE LOCATION OF THE PROPOSED INDOOR PAINT BOOTH.THE PAINT BOOTH DOES REQUIRE A BUILDING PERMIT AND APPROVALS FROM THE SAN DIEGO AIR POLLUTION CONTROL DISTRICT, A PCD.
THE FLOOR PLAN INCLUDES THE AFOREMENTIONED OFFICES AND APPROXIMATELY 2,600 SQUARE FEET OF GARAGE AND STORAGE AREA.
THE FORMER USE WAS A WINDOW COVERING CONTRACTOR WHO USED THE SPACE FOR FLEET STORAGE AND WAREHOUSING.
AND THIS IS THE STREET VIEW OF THE SITE IN QUESTION AGAIN.
UH, THE LARGE GARAGE DOOR, RIGHT ON THE PUBLIC, UH, UH, FRONTING DIRECTLY ONTO THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.
AND STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL IS ACCOMPANIED BY POSITIVE FINDINGS FOR CONSISTENCY WITH THE GENERAL PLAN.
THE PROPOSED CONDITIONS REQUIRE SOME BASIC UPDATES FOR CONSISTENCY WITH THE ZONING CODE.
ZONING CODE, NAMELY THE, UH, INSTALLATION OF THE RESIDENTIAL BOUNDARY WALL ALONG THE SOUTHERLY PROPERTY LINE.
THE PROPOSED USE IS CONDUCTED COMPLETELY WITHIN THE ENCLOSED BUILDING AND OPERATES, UH, IN OPERATIONS CONSISTENT WITH THE PROPOSED HOURS OF OPERATION.
UH, PERMIT REQUIREMENTS AND ZONING CODE PERFORMANCE STANDARDS WOULD NOT RESULT IN THE USE THAT IS DETRIMENTAL TO THE PUBLIC HEALTH OR SAFETY.
UH, IF THE USE WERE TO BECOME AN ISSUE, UH, REMEDIES EXIST THROUGH CO COMPLIANCE ACTION OR THROUGH REVIEW OF THIS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
UH, AND FINALLY, THE EXISTING STRUCTURE, UH, IS SUITABLE FOR THE USE AND IS SURROUNDED BY SIMILAR HEAVY COMMERCIAL ACTIVITIES.
IT'S PROPOSED THAT THE PROJECT IS EXEMPT, UH, UH, FROM ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW PURSUANT TO SECTION 15 3 0 1 OF THE CQA GUIDELINES FOR EXISTING FACILITIES AND STAFF.
RECOGNI STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS FOR APPROVAL OF THE CQA EXEMPTION, UH, AND CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT NUMBER 2024 DASH 0 0 1 2 SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS.
AND I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.
UH, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, EVERY TIME I'VE PASSED THAT BUILDING, I'VE WONDERED HOW PEOPLE GET TO THE QUO HUT BECAUSE QUO HUT CONSTRUCTION WAS RAMPANT IN THE LATE FORTIES AND THAT BUILDING IN THE FRONT LOOKS LIKE IT WAS BUILT IN THE SIXTIES AND I DIDN'T KNOW THEY WERE CONNECTED.
SO THAT'S A REALLY COOL, A ENCLOSED BUSINESS.
UH, I ACTUALLY HAVE NO QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY PARKING IN THE FRONT.
IS THERE? THERE'S NO ROOM FOR THAT.
THERE'S ACTUALLY, UH, RECENT IMPROVEMENTS ON WEST MAIN STREET AND THERE'S, THERE'S NO STREET PARKING ON WEST MAIN.
OH, THERE'S NO STREET PARKING.
SO PEOPLE HAVE TO JUST DRIVE INTO THE BUSINESS.
THE CONDITION OF APPROVAL IS THAT THE, UH, CUSTOMER VEHICLES BE CONTAINED COMPLETELY WITHIN THE SITE AND NOT BE PARKED ON ADJACENT, UH, PUBLIC STREETS.
AND ACROSS THE STREET IS THE EARL SCHEIB AUTO BODY, CORRECT? YEAH, I THINK THERE IS.
AND NEXT DOOR IS AN A POSTER REPLACE AUTO UP POSTER.
UM, WELL, ANY QUESTIONS? I HAVE NO QUESTIONS.
UH, LET'S OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
I DO NOT HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS FOR THIS ITEM.
I DON'T KNOW IF THE OWNER'S PRESENT, BUT I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE OWNER EITHER.
THEY WEREN'T ABLE TO MAKE IT TONIGHT.
BUT, UH, THEY, WE DID COMMUNICATE BEFORE THE MEETING.
THEY UNDERSTAND ALL THE CONDITIONS, PROPOSED CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL, UH, AND ARE WILLING TO ACCEPT THEM, SO, OKAY.
AND I DON'T THINK YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT THIS ITEM, SO, OKAY.
MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM.
I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER SERCO, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER EDISON.
AND MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF MEMBERS PRESENT.
I THINK THIS IS A GREAT USE OF A BUILDING THAT I DIDN'T KNOW WASN'T IN USE.
GREAT USE AND, UH, PAINT INSIDE.
YOU KNOW, SAN DIEGO AIR BOARD'S GONNA HAVE TO FIGURE THAT ONE OUT, BUT, UH, THERE'S NO OVERSPRAY INTO THE UPHOLSTERY BUSINESS, SO WE'RE GOOD.
I MOVE TO ADOPT AN NEXT RESOLUTION IN ORDER APPROVING THE SE QL EXEMPTION AND CUP 2 0 0 2 2 0 2 4 0 0 1 2.
SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS, I WILL SECOND THIS ONE.
MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER EDISON, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER SERCO.
MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF MEMBERS PRESENT.
ALRIGHT, AND THIS IS FINAL HEARING.
THERE'S NO, UH, CITY COUNCIL HEARING, SO UNLESS IT IS APPEALED,
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THAT'S A FINAL DECISION IF YOU WISH TO APPEAL DO SO WITH THE FILING OF A FORM AND PAYMENT OF FILING FEE NO LATER THAN 5:00 PM MONDAY, JANUARY 6TH, 2025 IN THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE.ALL RIGHT, ONE MORE ITEM ON OUR AGENDA.
[ Public Hearing Item 4]
FOUR IS THE NORTH JOHNSON ENERGY CENTER BATTERY STORAGE.THE REQUEST IS FOR ENERGY STORAGE FACILITY.
IT IS CQ EXEMPT STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL.
AND BEFORE I TURN IT OVER TO STAFF, I JUST WANTED TO SAY, I READ THIS AND I WENT, DIDN'T WE ALREADY DO THIS? THAT'S WHAT I SAW.
AND I REALIZED THIS IS ACROSS THE STREET.
SO NOT TO MAKE IT EVEN MORE CONFUSING, BUT, UM, THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID APPROVE A PROJECT AT THIS SITE, UH, IN 2021.
AND IT'S SUBSTANTIALLY THE SAME PROJECT.
THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL PROJECT ACROSS THE STREET AT, UH, 2 0 3 NORTH JOHNSON THAT'S TO THE NORTH OF THE LITERACY FIRST CHARTER SCHOOL.
SO THE SITE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT, IF I CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, IS AT THE, UM, SOUTHWEST CORNER OF BENEDICT AVENUE AND NORTH JOHNSON AVENUE.
SO IT'S ACTUALLY ON, UM, WELL, IT'S TECHNICALLY NOT ON, IT'S ON A SEPARATE PARCEL, BUT IT'S IN, UH, NEXT TO THE SDG E UH, STATION THAT'S THERE.
SO THEN THIS IS WHERE WE HAD PREVIOUSLY APPROVED ONE.
THIS, UH, THE APPLICANT CAN SPEAK MORE TO IT.
BUT IN 2021, UH, THIS, ESSENTIALLY THE SAME PROJECT WAS APPROVED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
UM, IT, IT SUBSEQUENTLY EXPIRED, UH, AND NOW THE APPLICANT IS RETURNING, UH, BECAUSE THE, UH, CUP EXPIRED.
UM, I THINK THE, THE GOOD BENEFIT, UM, FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC AND FOR SAFETY PURPOSES IS THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT WAS REVIEWED IN ACCORDANCE WITH, UM, ALL FIRE ACCESSIBILITY STANDARDS AND IT'S SUBJECT TO NEW, UH, FIRE CODE STANDARDS AND OTHER SAFETY PRECAUTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN IMPLEMENTED IN THE LAST TWO YEARS.
UM, SO THERE'S, THERE'S NEW, UM, CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL, BUT, UH, BUT ESSENTIALLY THE SAME PROJECT.
AND, UM, SO NOT MUCH MORE TO ADD BEYOND THAT
UM, THEY ARE PROPOSING TO DEMOLISH, UM, UH, SOME STRUCTURES ON THE SITE IN ORDER TO ACCOMMODATE THE BATTERY STORAGE.
UH, THE BATTERY STORAGE, UH, AREAS ARE SHOWN IN BLUE ON THE SITE PLAN HERE.
UH, ADDITIONALLY, THEY ARE PROPOSING A NEW, UH, 12 FOOT, UH, SCREENING WALLS, UH, THAT WOULD SURROUND THE FACILITY.
UM, I WOULD NOTE FOR THE RECORD THAT THE, UH, RESOLUTION DOES INDICATE, UH, 10 FOOT SCREENING WALLS.
UH, THERE WAS, UH, SUBSEQUENT, UM, RESUBMITTAL FROM THE APPLICANT AND SO THE INTENT IS FOR 12 FOOT SCREENING WALLS.
UH, THERE'LL ALSO BE, UH, LANDSCAPING TO HELP BUFFER THOSE SCREENING WALLS.
UM, THE GENERAL PLAN DESIGNATION FOR THE SITE IS LIGHT INDUSTRIAL AND THE ZONING IS HEAVY COMMERCIAL, UH, LIGHT MANUFACTURING OR CM ZONING.
UM, AND THE SITE IS LOCATED WITHIN THE MAIN MARSHALL JOHNSON INDUSTRIAL AREA.
AND, UH, FROM STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE, UH, VERY WELL SUITED TO SUPPORT THE EXISTING SDG E OPERATIONS.
UM, THIS IS THE ELEVATION OF THE PROPOSED FENCING UP TO 12 FEET HIGH, UH, DOES INCLUDE CORRUGATED METAL AS WELL AS, UM, SOME COLUMNS IN BETWEEN.
UH, THIS DESIGN IS CONSISTENT WITH, UH, THE SCREENING THAT IS AROUND THE, UH, POWER PEAKER PLANT THAT IS DIRECTLY TO THE WEST OF THE SUBJECT SITE.
UM, SO STAFF FOUND IT TO BE COMPATIBLE AND CONSISTENT WITH THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT AND IS IN SUPPORT OF THIS PROPOSAL.
SO, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, AS I SAID, IT WAS, UH, THE, ESSENTIALLY THE SAME PROJECT THAT WAS APPROVED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION APPROXIMATELY TWO YEARS AGO.
UH, SO STAFF'S RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE PROJECT, UM, AND RECOMMENDS THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION ADOPT THE CQA EXEMPTION AND THEN, UH, THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS.
ALRIGHT, I THINK I JUST WANT TO ASK WHY FROM 10 TO 12 FEET? UM, I, THE APPLICANT CAN SPEAK A LITTLE BIT MORE, UH, TO IT.
UM, THERE HAS BEEN, UM, CONTINUOUS, UH, EVOLVING TECHNOLOGY AS IT RELATES TO BATTERIES AND, UM, WHEN IT COMES TO THE APPROVAL OF FENCING HEIGHTS, UM, IT'S MORE CHALLENGING FOR STAFF TO APPROVE AN INCREASE IN A WALL HEIGHT AS OPPOSED TO A, A DECREASE IN WALL HEIGHT.
SO I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT IN OUR DISCUSSIONS WITH THEM, UH, WAS LOOKING AT THE TYPES OF BATTERIES THAT THEY'RE PLANNING TO INSTALL AND WANTED, UH, THE FLEXIBILITY OF GOING UP TO 12 FEET.
THE FENCING IS SET BACK, UH, FROM, IT'S NOT DIRECTLY AT THE SIDEWALK, SO IT'S SET BACK FROM THE STREET AND IT'LL BE BUFFERED BY LANDSCAPING.
SO FROM A STAFF PERSPECTIVE, IT'S ESSENTIALLY SIMILAR TO AN EXISTING BUILDING OR A BUILDING BEING CONSTRUCTED THERE.
UM, AND, AND THE DESIGN IS CONSISTENT WITH, UM, THE OTHER SCREENING MEASURES THAT ARE THERE.
SO, UH, STAFF HAD NO OBJECTIONS.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? UM, SO
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YOU SAID THERE'S BEEN SOME IMPROVEMENTS REGARDING THE SAFETY OF THE LITHIUM, UH, BATTERIES THERE BECAUSE I KNOW THAT SOME FACILITIES HAVE CAUGHT ON FIRE, LIKE THE ONE IN ESCONDIDO MM-HMMSO THOSE ISSUES HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED OR ARE GOING TO BE ADDRESSED IN SO FAR AS, UH, THE DANGER OF, UH, A FIRE BEING STARTED.
UM, THERE IS A, UH, REQUIREMENT FOR AN EVACUATION PLAN AS PART OF THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AND FOR ADDITIONAL SAFETY MEASURES, UM, I'D LIKE TO DEFER PROBABLY TO THE APPLICANT TO SPEAK MORE TO THAT.
UH, JUST 'CAUSE THE, THE BATTERY TECHNOLOGY ASPECT OF THINGS HAS BEEN, UH, EVOLVING QUICKLY OVER THE LAST COUPLE YEARS.
UH, I KNOW IN SPEAKING, UH, WITH THE FIRE MARSHAL, UM, AT CERTAIN POINTS, UM, SOME OF THE BATTERY TECHNOLOGY IS EVEN BEYOND WHAT'S IN THE CALIFORNIA FIRE CODE AND SO THEY'RE GOING TO SPECIALISTS TO GET MORE INPUT.
UH, BUT I WOULD UH, SAY FROM A STAFF PERSPECTIVE, ALL OF THIS EFFORT IS INCREASING SAFETY AS OPPOSED TO, UM, YOU KNOW, DECREASING SAFETY.
LET'S OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS? I DO NOT HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS, BUT, OH, I WAS TARDY FILLING ONE OUT.
YOU CAN COME UP TO SPEAK AND THEN WE'LL ASK YOU TO FILL OUT A CARD BEFORE YOU LEAVE MEETING COMMISSIONERS AND STAFF.
AND, UH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TONIGHT.
UM, MY NAME'S GARY FRANZEN WITH THE NORTH JOHNSON ENERGY CENTER.
UM, ALSO, UH, AT THE SITE AS, UH, MR. ALVI POINTED OUT IS OUR, UH, EL CAJON ENERGY CENTER, WHICH IS A GAS TURBINE PROJECT.
AND SO THIS BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE PROJECT WILL SIT ADJACENT TO IT.
UM, TONIGHT I HAVE WITH ME MY PRESIDENT, MR. HAL DIMMER, AND THEN ANOTHER, UH, JUNIOR PLANNER WITH THE COMPANY, JOHN FRANZEN.
AND, UH, THEN ALSO ONLINE SHOULD BE, UH, A, UM, PRINCIPAL PLANNER WITH, UH, RAMBLE AND, UM, RAMBLE AMERICA'S ENVIRONMENTAL.
SO IF THERE ARE ANY, YOU KNOW, TECHNICAL QUESTIONS, WE CAN, UH, WHISTLE HIM INTO THE GAME AS WELL.
UM, I WILL COMPLIMENT YOU, MR. UH, SERCO ON YOUR MEMORY OF HAVING ALREADY APPROVED THIS PROJECT.
SO, UM, IT WAS A, IT WAS ZOOM MEETING AT THAT POINT IN TIME.
ANYWAY, UM, I THINK, UM, WE HAVE READ THROUGH THE STAFF REPORT.
AND, UM, I, I WE'RE JUST HERE TO SAY WE AGREE WITH THE, UH, CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL AND ARE HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.
DO WE HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THE SPEAKER? UM, YEAH, SAME QUESTION REGARDING THE, UH, SAFETY FOR THE, UH, EON BATTERIES.
I MEAN THE, UH, LITHIUM EON BATTERIES.
UM, I, I NOTICED I READ THAT, UH, THERE'S GONNA BE SOME, UH, COOLING TYPE OF, UH, VENTILATION THERE TO KEEP IT COLD.
WOULDN'T THAT USE ELECTRICITY IN ORDER TO DO SO OR HOW DOES THAT WORK? IT IT DOES.
IT'S A, UM, SO THE, THE TECHNOLOGY THAT IS PLANNED IS TO USE WHAT ARE CALLED TESLA MEGA PACKS.
AND THE MEGA PACK, UM, MODULES ARE EQUIPPED, THEY ACTUALLY, THE BATTERIES ACTUALLY SIT ON TOP OF COOLING PLATES AND THE, UM, IT'S A REFRIGERATED SYSTEM SO IT JUST, UH, IT CIRCULATES VERY COLD WATER INTO THAT COOLING PLATE TO KEEP ALL THE BATTERIES AT THE CELL TEMPERATURES THAT THEY NEED TO MAINTAIN.
AND THAT WOULD BE MONITORED AT IT IS THERE'S A, YOU KNOW, VERY, UH, WHAT, UM, LARGE BATTERY MONITOR, OR EXCUSE ME, BMS BATTERY MANAGEMENT SYSTEM THAT, UM, MONITORS NOT ONLY TEMPERATURE BUT ELECTRICAL CHARACTERISTICS OF THE SYSTEM AS WELL TO MAKE SURE THAT TEMPERATURES STAY WITHIN SPEC AND THAT AMPERAGES FOR EXAMPLE, ALSO STAY WITHIN SPEC.
THE BATTERIES DON'T GET PULLED ON TOO HARD AND UH, CAUSE THE AMPERAGES TO GO UP, WHICH THEN PRODUCES THE HEATING.
IF THE, UH, COMPUTER SYSTEM SEES THAT HAPPENING, IT CUTS THOSE, THAT PORTION OF THE SYSTEM OFF OR TURNS IT OFF AND KIND OF LOCKS IT OUT.
IT'S REAL QUICK QUESTION 'CAUSE I WANNA STAY IN MY LANE AND IT'D PROBABLY BE SPEAKING ABOVE MY HEAD, BUT FOR US LAYMAN'S, IS THERE A HUMAN ELEMENT TO THE KILL SWITCH IF LIKE A COMPUTER FAILS OR TO PREVENT ANY ACCIDENTS THERE? THEY'RE TYPICALLY SPEAKING TO US PEOPLE THAT
TYPICALLY THERE, UM, SO THERE ARE E-STOP BUTTONS, EMERGENCY STOP BUTTONS, I BELIEVE, ON EACH OF THE MEGA PACKS.
AND THEN THERE ARE TYPICALLY, UM, YOU KNOW, SITE-WIDE, UH, E-STOP BUTTONS
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AS WELL THAT, UH, BASICALLY OPEN ALL THE BREAKERS, THEREBY ISOLATING, YOU KNOW, THE ELECTRICAL FEED INTO AND OUT OF THE FACILITY.SO THOSE ARE MANNED BY A PERSON.
IT'S TYPICALLY A, AN UNSTAFFED FACILITY.
SO IT, UH, THE COMPUTERS DO, YOU KNOW, LION'S SHARE OF THE WORK.
AND THEN WE HAVE A REMOTE OPERATIONS CENTER THAT IS MONITORING, UH, YOU KNOW, FROM, FROM A, UH, REMOTE OPERATIONS DESK.
SO EVEN IF, IF IT'S REMOTE, I GUESS YOU AGREE THAT THERE'S SOMEBODY THERE, EVEN IF IT'S REMOTE, THAT'S OH YES.
IT'S 24 7 MONITORED BY PEOPLE AND MACHINES.
UM, JUST TO, I KNOW YOU'RE STILL LOOKING AT EXACTLY HOW THE BATTERIES ARE OR THE MEGA PACKS OR WHATEVER SYSTEMS. SO THE 12 FOOT VERSUS THE 10 FOOT WALL.
AND I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH THE 12 FOOT NECESSARILY, BUT I, I DO HAVE A, I DON'T KNOW IF THE TOP PORTION COULD BE PARTIALLY TRANSPARENT TO SOFTEN THE WALL AROUND IT.
YOU'VE GOT A GREAT SETBACK, THE LANDSCAPING, I LOVE ALL THAT.
AND, AND LIKE NOAH SAID, EVEN IF IT'S SOLID, IT'S SETBACK FAR ENOUGH THAT IT'S LIKE A BUILDING.
BUT UH, I JUST WONDER IF IT DOES NEED TO GO 12 FEET, IF THERE'S SOME WAY YOU COULD SOFTEN THE TOP OF THAT.
UM, SO AS NOAH MENTIONED THE EQUIPMENT, WE THINK WE KNOW WHAT IT IS, RIGHT? AND THAT SITS, UM, ABOUT NINE OR NINE AND A HALF FEET TALL IS HOW, WHAT THE DIMENSION OF THE EQUIPMENT IS THAT NORMALLY THEN GETS PLACED ON TOP OF A FOUNDATION AND WHETHER THAT'S, YOU KNOW, UH, SIX, EIGHT INCHES MORE, THEN YOU END UP IN THAT 10 FOOT RANGE.
SO I THINK THE PRIMARY CONCERN THAT WE'VE TRIED TO ADDRESS IS A, A VISUAL SCREENING REQUIREMENT BECAUSE I THINK WHAT MY UNDERSTANDING IS IS THAT THE CITY DOESN'T WANT TO SEE AS BASICALLY SOMETHING THAT LOOKS LIKE A BUNCH OF STORAGE CONTAINERS
I, YOU KNOW, APPRECIATE THE SOFTENING COMMENT, BUT I THINK IT KIND OF DEFEATS THE SCREENING PURPOSE THAT THE 10 OR 12 FOOT WALL NEEDS.
WE DON'T WANT TO GO ANY TALLER THAN WE NEED TO.
BUT UNTIL, YOU KNOW, KIND OF THE FINAL DESIGN OF THE FACILITY IS IN HAND AND FINAL DIMENSIONS OF THE EQUIPMENT IS KNOWN, WE WE'RE WANTING A LITTLE BIT OF FLEXIBILITY TO UH, YOU KNOW, NOT HAVE TO, UH, WORK HARD WITH STAFF OR A PERMIT MODIFICATION OR WHATEVER.
AND I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT.
I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS.
DO WE HAVE ANY FURTHER SPEAKER CARDS? I DON'T HAVE ANY.
AND UNLESS YOU TWO GENTLEMEN WISH TO SPEAK AND I'M SEEING HEADS SHAKE VIGOROUSLY.
I THINK THAT WAS OUR LAST SPEAKER.
UM, I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER CIRCO, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER.
SO TEALE PLEASE VOTE AND MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF MEMBERS PRESENT.
ALRIGHT NOW I, UM, I THINK IT'S A GREAT PROJECT.
ANYTHING THAT WOULD REDUCE THE UH, POSSIBILITY OF A RATE INCREASE OF ELECTRICITY IS GREAT.
AND THEN WHEN WE GOT ALL CONNECTED AND WE HAD THAT MULTI-STATE BLACKOUT BECAUSE OF THE GRID STUFF LIKE THIS AND THE INCREASE IN SOLAR ON HOMES.
I KNOW MY HOUSE IS SOLAR BUT IT'S NOT MY SOLAR.
I SELL ALL MY ELECTRICITY TO SDG E AND THEN BUY WHAT I NEED BACK.
AND BATTERY STORAGE LIKE THIS WILL HELP KEEP A BALANCE DURING STORMY WEATHER OR NIGHTTIME USE AND ALL THAT.
SO 2010, 11 WHEN THAT BIG BLACKOUT HAPPENED SOMEWHERE AROUND THERE.
BUT YEAH, IT WAS, THAT WAS FUN.
ALRIGHT, I'VE GOT NO COMMENTS ON THIS, SO NO I DON'T.
I MOVE TO ADOPT THE NEXT RESOLUTIONS IN ORDER APPROVING PROPOSED SE QA EXEMPTION AND CUP NUMBER 2 0 2 4 DASH ZERO ONE SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS.
MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER SERCO, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER SOLE, PLEASE VOTE.
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MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF MEMBERS PRESENT.UH, DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER ITEMS FOR CONSIDERATION? UM, NO OTHER ITEMS FOR CONSIDERATION, UH, BUT UH, JUST
[7. STAFF COMMUNICATIONS]
ONE STAFF COMMUNICATION IF I CAN MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM.UM, I JUST WANTED TO, UH, THANK THE COMMISSION FOR, UH, A GREAT YEAR.
UH, I KNOW IT WAS A LOT OF WORK AND UH, I REALLY APPRECIATE UH, YOU KNOW, IT WAS A LONG MEETING THIS EVENING.
UH, BUT UH, AS ALWAYS WE WANT TO MEET THE NEEDS OF OUR DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY AND A LOT OF PEOPLE LIKE TO GET THEIR PROJECTS, UH, YOU KNOW, FINISHED UP RIGHT BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR.
SO WE HAD A LOT OF THINGS ALL COME TOGETHER AT ONCE.
SO JUST AGAIN, UH, THANK YOU TO THE COMMISSION AND, UH, HAPPY HOLIDAYS AND LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU IN 2025.
HEY, IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME SINCE WE HAD MEETINGS OVER AN HOUR.
UH, BUT I WON'T EVER FORGET THE FOUR HOUR MEETING THAT WAS, THAT WAS THE PRESENT FOR 11 O'CLOCK AND WE WERE LIKE, WE NEED TO BE DONE
SO IT'S A PLEASURE TO SERVE, UH, ANY COMMISSIONER
[8. COMMISSIONER REPORTS/COMMENTS]
REPORTS.NO THANK YOU TO STAFF FOR ALL YOUR WORK.
AND IT IS A PLEASURE TO SERVE THE CITY OF EL CAJON.
THANK YOU FOR DOING BUSINESS IN ELCON.
THANK YOU FOR WORKING WITH US AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE.
I MOVE TO ADJOURN TO JANUARY 21ST.
I WILL SECOND THAT MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER CIRCO, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER UH, EDISON.
MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF MEMBERS PRESENT