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[ CALL TO ORDER: Mayor Bill Wells]
AND JUMBLED TO THE EL CAJON CITY COUNCIL MEETING.THE MEETING IS CALLED TO ORDER.
I'D LIKE TO ASK OUR CITY CLERK TO PLEASE CALL THE ROLL ABSENT.
WOULD YOU ALL STAND WITH ME FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE AND THEN AFTERWARDS REMAIN STANDING FOR A BRIEF MOMENT OF SILENCE, I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
[ POSTINGS: The City Clerk posted Orders of Adjournment of the October 8, 2024, Meeting and the Agenda of the October 22, 2024, Meeting in accordance to State Law and City Council/Housing Authority/Successor Agency to the Redevelopment Agency Policy.]
CLERK POSTED ORDERS OF ADJOURNMENT OF THE OCTOBER 8TH, 2024 MEETING AND THE AGENDA OF THE OCTOBER 22ND, 2024 MEETING IN ACCORDANCE WITH STATE LAW CITY COUNCIL ON HOUSING AUTHORITY POLICY.THERE ARE NO PRESENTATIONS ON TODAY'S AGENDA AND WE ARE NOW AT, UH, AGENDA CHANGES.
STAFF, DO YOU HAVE ANY AGENDA CHANGES? NO, SIR.
NO CHANGES TO THE AGENDA COUNCIL.
[7. CONSENT ITEMS: Consent Items are routine matters enacted by one motion according to the RECOMMENDATION listed below. With the concurrence of the City Council, a Council Member or person in attendance may request discussion of a Consent Item at this time.]
BRINGS US THEN TO CONSENT ITEMS. CONSENT ITEMS ARE ROUTINE MATTERS ENACTED BY ONE MOTION ACCORDING TO THE RECOMMENDATION LISTED BELOW WITH THE CONCURRENCE OF THE CITY COUNCIL.COUNCIL MEMBER OR PERSON IN ATTENDANCE MAY REQUEST DISCUSSION OF A CONSENT ITEM AT THIS TIME.
COUNCIL MEMBERS, DO YOU WISH TO PULL ANY OF THE CONSENT ITEMS, STAFF? NO, SIR.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THEN TO APPROVE THE CONSENT ITEMS. SECOND, MOVED AND SECONDED.
AND FOR THE RECORD, SIR, THERE WERE NO, UH, COMMENTS FOR CONSENT ITEMS. AND THANK YOU.
CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF THOSE PRESENT.
[ PUBLIC COMMENT: At this time, any person may address a matter within the jurisdiction of the City Council/Housing Authority/Successor Agency to the El Cajon Redevelopment Agency that is not on the Agenda. Comments relating to items on today’s docket are to be taken at the time the item is heard. State law prohibits discussion or action on items not on the Agenda; however, Council, Authority and Agency Members may briefly respond to statements or questions. An item may be placed on a future Agenda.]
THAT BRINGS US TO PUBLIC COMMENT.AT THIS TIME, ANY PERSON MAY ADDRESS A MATTER WITHIN JU THE JURISDICTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL HOUSING AUTHORITY SUCCESSOR AGENCY TO THE ALCOHOL REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY THAT IS NOT ON THE AGENDA.
COMMENTS RELATING TO ITEMS ON TODAY'S AGENDA ARE TO BE TAKEN AT THE TIME OF THE ITEM IS HEARD.
STATE LAW PROHIBITS DISCUSSION OR ACTION ON ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA.
HOWEVER, CITY COUNCIL AND HOUSING AUTHORITY MEMBERS MAY BRIEFLY RESPOND TO STATEMENTS OR QUESTIONS, AND AN ITEM MAY BE PLACED ON A FUTURE AGENDA.
ANGELA, DO WE HAVE SPEAKER CARDS FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? WE DO.
I JUST GOT MY SHIRT WET BECAUSE IT WAS HOT OUTSIDE.
SO
SO, SO, UM, I WALKED HERE TWO WEEKS AGO TO THE CAR SHOW 'CAUSE I REALLY WANTED TO GO.
AND I GOT HERE AT EIGHT O'CLOCK FROM LEMON GROVE.
SO SOMEONE PICKED ME UP AT, UM, I WALKED HERE FROM LEMON GROVE TODAY.
SO THAT'LL MAKE THOSE PEOPLE HAPPY.
THAT DON'T WANT US TO DRIVE CARS,
SO, UM, WHAT? OH, SO I JUST TOOK MY TIME.
UM, BUT WHAT I WANNA TALK ABOUT TODAY IS WHAT I TALKED ABOUT AT ANOTHER COUNCIL MEETING AT ANOTHER CITY.
SO WE HAVE THESE POP-UP CHURCHES.
AND REMEMBER, I, I DUNNO IF YOU REMEMBER I TALKED ABOUT THIS BACK WHEN WE HAD THE FIRES, ALL THE POP-UP CHURCHES, WE'RE GONNA HELP YOU, WE'RE GONNA HELP YOU.
UM, THEN WE HAVE THE FLOODS, WE HAVE THE HOMELESS.
WE HAVE THESE POPUP CHURCHES THAT ARE JUST WANTING TO GRAB MONEY.
SO LET'S JUST TRY AND KEEP AN EYE ON THEM.
'CAUSE THEY'RE EVERYWHERE, NOT JUST FROM THE CITY I'M IN
SO LAST NIGHT, I'M WALKING, GO FOR A WALK.
THERE'S THIS MINISTER THAT STANDS ON A CORNER IN A CITY EVERY WEEK, AND HE READS OUT OF THE BIBLE, GREAT, GOOD, NICE.
BUT HE TALKS ABOUT HIS PEOPLE AND HE SAYS RIGHT HERE IN THE BIBLE, IT SAYS, WHITE PEOPLE ARE BAD.
SO EVERY TIME A WHITE PERSON WALKS BY, HE SAYS SOMETHING BAD ABOUT THEM.
HE SAID SOMETHING TO ME LAST NIGHT, I TRIED TO GIVE HIM A BALLOON WITH A SMILEY FACE ON IT.
MAYBE HE WOULDN'T TAKE IT 'CAUSE IT WAS WHITE, BUT
YOU'RE EVIL BECAUSE YOU'RE WHITE.
BUT, AND THIS GUY CAME TO, UM, THAT COUNCIL MEETING IN THAT CITY
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WAS ASKING FOR MONEY FOR THE HOMELESS, FOR HIS CHURCH.SO JUST BE CAREFUL IS ALL I'M SAYING.
SO I BROUGHT YOU A RED ONE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, GO TRUMP.
ANYBODY ELSE? NO OTHER SPEAKER, SIR.
UH, THERE ARE NO WRITTEN COMMUNICATIONS AND NO PUBLIC HEARINGS ON TODAY'S AGENDA.
[12. Reallocation of American Recovery Program Act Funds and Grant Agreements with the Chaldean Community Council, the Newcomers Support & Development, and the Downtown El Cajon Business Partners, Inc. RECOMMENDATION: That the City Council: Adopts the next Resolution, in order, approving a grant agreement for an amount not to exceed $609,950 with the Chaldean Community Council for tenant improvements at 405 East Lexington Avenue; Adopts the next Resolution, in order, approving a grant agreement for an amount not to exceed $150,000 with Newcomers Support & Development; Adopts the next Resolution, in order, approving a grant agreement for a minimum of $300,000 with the Downtown El Cajon Business Partners for capital improvements to the downtown area; and Accepts the proposed ARPA adjustments as follows: Re-allocate $5,771 from Emergency Wells Park Restroom Repairs (ARP18) to ARP25: “Downtown Public Space Enhancements”; Re-allocate $609,950 from Economic Development (ARP08) to ARP20: “Small Business Incubator”; Re-allocate $150,000 from ARP08 to ARP24: “Newcomers Support & Development”; Re-allocate the residual ARP08 funds to ARP25: “Downtown Public Space Enhancements”; and Re-allocate $68,000 from APR08 to ARP26: Fire Station Wellness.]
ADMINISTRATIVE REPORTS TODAY.ITEM 12 IS FOR THE REALLOCATION OF AMERICAN RECOVERY ACT PROGRAM, FUNDS AND GRANT AGREEMENTS TO BE CONSIDERED.
I'LL ASK OUR CITY MANAGER, MR. MITCHELL, TO EXPLAIN THIS TO THE COUNCIL.
THANK YOU MR. MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, IF WE CAN GET MY PRESENTATION UP.
ACTUALLY THAT'S MR. DIMAGGIO'S.
UM, SO THIS IS, UM, THE CULMINATION, HOPEFULLY, OF OUR ARPA DISCUSSIONS.
THERE'S POTENTIALLY THAT THERE'LL BE ONE MORE AGENDA ITEM BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR.
UH, BUT I'M GONNA START WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS, JUST SO YOU HAVE SOME CONTEXT OF WHAT WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT TODAY.
UM, STAFF IS PRESENTING THREE DIFFERENT RESOLUTIONS TO CONSIDER THAT WOULD APPROVE THREE DIFFERENT AGREEMENTS WITH DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS.
AND WE'RE ALSO ASKING FOR REALLOCATION OF ARPA FUNDS FROM DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT FUNDS THAT HAVE EITHER EXO UM, NOT USED UP ALL THOSE FUNDS OR FUNDS THAT WERE NOT YET ALLOCATED.
AND I'LL EXPLAIN THAT, THE POTENTIAL OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE COUNCIL TO REALLOCATE THOSE FUNDS TO DIFFERENT AREAS.
SO, SO WITH THAT, LET ME START, UM, WITH KIND OF AN OVERVIEW.
AS YOU RECALL, THE CITY OF ELCON RECEIVED $30 MILLION IN AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN MONIES THROUGH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
AND THE GOAL IS TO HAVE THEM ALL SPENT BY DECEMBER 30TH, 31ST, 2004 THIS YEAR, AND THEN, OR AT LEAST ALLOCATED AND THEN FULLY SPENT WITHIN TWO YEARS AFTER THAT.
SO WE HAVE TWO YEARS, TWO AND A HALF, TWO YEARS, AND A FEW MONTHS TO SPEND THE REMAINING OF THE MONEY.
UM, WE'VE ALREADY FULLY SPENT $13.5 MILLION.
WE HAVE $29.3 MILLION EITHER SPENT OR ALLOCATED THROUGH CONTRACTS OR RFPS THAT ARE CURRENTLY OUT ON THE STREET.
UM, WE BELIEVE THERE'S ABOUT $1.14 MILLION ALLOCATED.
NOW, YOU'RE PROBABLY SAYING TO YOURSELF, GRAHAM, I KNOW 30.0 MILLION MINUS 29.3 MILLION DOESN'T EQUAL 1.4 OR 1.14.
WE DO KNOW THAT THERE'S SOME EXTRA MONEY IN DIFFERENT PROJECTS THAT WILL BE LEFT OVER, SUCH AS THE, UM, FACADE GRANT PROGRAM.
WE KNOW THERE'S SOME MONIES LEFT OVER FROM THERE.
WE KNOW THAT THE RESTROOMS AT WILLS PARK HAVE SOME MONEY AVAILABLE.
SO IF YOU ADD ALL THOSE TOGETHER, IT ENDS UP BEING ABOUT $1.14 MILLION OF UNALLOCATED MONEY, WHICH WE WOULD HAVE TO TURN BACK IF THEY DON'T GET ALLOCATED BY THE END OF THE YEAR, BY THE END OF THE YEAR.
SO HERE ARE THE FOUR PROJECTS THAT STAFF'S RECOMMENDING THAT WE SPEND MONEY ON.
UM, WE HAVE A NEED FOR SOME WELLNESS EQUIPMENT AT FOUR OF THE FIRE STATIONS.
UH, WE WOULD RECOMMEND ALLOCATING $68,000 OF THE REMAINING A LITTLE OVER $1 MILLION IN ARPA MONEY TO PURCHASE THAT EQUIPMENT.
WE BELIEVE THAT EQUIPMENT CAN BE PURCHASED BY THE END OF THE YEAR THROUGH SOME OPEN SOURCE, UH, FINANCING OR OPEN SOURCE PROCUREMENT.
AND SO WE CAN MEET THAT DEADLINE.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S, UH, ONE ALLOCATION OF FUNDS, AND THAT'S THE SMALLEST OF THE FOUR.
UM, THE NEXT ALLOCATION IS THAT, AS YOU RECALL, WHEN WE BOUGHT THE BUILDING AT 4 0 5 EAST LEXINGTON AVENUE, WE KNEW THERE WAS A LITTLE OVER HALF A MILLION DOLLARS OF TENANT IMPROVEMENTS AND SOME REPAIRS THAT NEEDED TO OCCUR TO THE BUILDING.
UM, STAFF HAS ATTEMPTED TO GET THOSE PROJECTS UNDERWAY, BUT BECAUSE OF OUR STAFFING LEVELS, IT'S BEEN A CHALLENGE TO DO SO.
SO ONE OF THE OPTIONS THAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING IS ENTER INTO A GRANT AGREEMENT WITH THE CHALDEAN COMMUNITY COUNCIL, OUR CURRENT TENANT OF THE BUILDING, AND ALLOW THEM TO INITIATE THOSE IMPROVEMENTS.
THOSE IMPROVEMENTS ARE IDENTIFIED IN A DRAFT GRANT AGREEMENT BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL THAT IDENTIFIES THE CATEGORIES.
WE'VE ALSO BROKEN OUT THE SPECIFICS OF WHAT EACH OF THOSE MEANS AND WHAT ARE SOME OF THE REQUIREMENTS FOR EACH OF THOSE.
WE WOULD EXPECT A WARRANTY IN THE WORKMANSHIP AND THE MATERIAL FOR THE HVAC REPAIR AND REPLACEMENT.
UH, THE, THE INCUBATOR IS BROKEN DOWN TO SOME A DA IMPROVEMENTS, DIFFERENT FURNISHING.
SO WE HAVE A, A DETAILED BREAKDOWN THAT WE WOULD PASS ALONG TO THE CION COMMUNITY COUNCIL.
IF THAT'S SOMETHING THE CITY COUNCIL WANTED TO DO, WE WOULD RECOMMEND INCLUDING AS PART OF PAYING FOR THE DIRECT COST, WE WOULD INCLUDE A 10% CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT FEE.
UH, LOOKING AT FEDERAL ARPA REGULATIONS, GOVERNMENTS CAN PAY BETWEEN FIVE TO 15% OF A MANAGEMENT FEE, SO THAT 10% FALLS WITHIN THAT RANGE, AND THAT WOULD FREE UP STAFF TIME AND ALLOW THEM TO
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GO AHEAD AND GET THAT WORK DONE.IF THIS IS AN AGREEMENT THAT THE COUNCIL'S INTERESTED IN EXPLORING, WHAT WE WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THE WORK ALL BE COMPLETED WITHIN THE NEXT YEAR, BY THE END OF, UH, 2025, THAT ALL FEDERAL PROCUREMENT REQUIREMENTS ARE REQUIRED.
UM, THAT INCLUDES BIDDING, UH, OPEN OR OPEN BIDS, CLOSED BIDS, DEPENDING ON THE, THE DOLLAR THRESHOLD.
IT, IT INCLUDES HAVING THE VENDOR THAT THEY CHOOSE BE REGISTERED WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT THROUGH THE SAM OR THE SYSTEM FOR AWARD MANAGEMENT PROGRAM.
SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO FOLLOW ALL THE SAME RULES THAT WE HAVE TO FOLLOW IN THIS PROCUREMENT PROCESS.
UM, AND WE WOULD HELP THEM AND PROVIDE THEM SOME TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE IN THAT AREA.
ALL THE WORK THAT IS REQUIRED TO HAVE PERMITS WOULD HAVE TO HAVE PERMITS.
THE WORK THAT ISN'T REQUIRED FOR PERMITS, FOR EXAMPLE, CARPET AND, UM, RELOCATING DESKS.
WE WOULD WANT TO INSPECT THAT WORK AS WELL TO MAKE SURE THAT THE WORKMANSHIP IS DONE ACCORDING TO OUR EXPECTATIONS.
UM, STANDARD WARRANTIES WOULD BE INCLUDED, AND THEN WE WOULD DIS DISTURB DISTRIBUTE FUNDS.
INVOICES ARE SUBMITTED AND VERIFIED.
AND THEN THEY WOULD ALSO BE REQUIRED TO PRESENT A QUARTERLY AND AN ANNUAL REPORT UNTIL THE END OF THE, THE, UM, PERIOD IN 2026.
UH, I'LL JUST MOVE ON TO THE NEXT AGREEMENT THAT WE CAN KIND OF TALK ABOUT EACH OF THESE AGREEMENTS.
UH, WE ALSO RECEIVED A REQUEST FROM THE NEWCOMER SUPPORT AND DEVELOPMENT ORGANIZATION.
THEY'RE VERY INTERESTED IN LAUNCHING A PROGRAM CALLED THE IN ARABIC MEDIA OUTREACH PROGRAM.
AND THAT WOULD BE A PROGRAM THAT WOULD, UM, HELP THE CITY GET THE WORD OUT TO ARABIC SPEAKING RESIDENTS IN THE CITY.
AND, AND IN ORDER TO ACCOMPLISH THAT, THEY'RE LOOKING FOR SOME EQUIPMENT AND A VEHICLE THAT WOULD HELP THEM DO THAT.
THEY'RE LOOKING FOR $150,000 WORTH OF EQUIPMENT AND, AND THE VEHICLE, UM, WE WOULD ENTER INTO A GRANT AGREEMENT IF THE COUNCIL WANTED TO PURSUE THIS, THAT WOULD LOOK VERY SIMILAR TO THAT OF THE CHALDEAN COMMUNITY COUNCIL.
ALTHOUGH, BECAUSE THE THEY'RE NOT DOING PERMITTED WORK, IT, IT WOULD ELIMINATE ALL OF THAT.
BUT THEY WOULD STILL HAVE TO FOLLOW ALL THE PROCUREMENT RULES, UM, ALL THE, THE QUARTERLY AND ANNUAL REPORTING.
AND THEN THEY WOULD NOT BE PAID ALSO UNTIL THE EQUIPMENT WAS PURCHASED.
UM, IN EXCHANGE FOR THE, THE $150,000 IN ARPA MONEY, THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE SOME SERVICES TO THE CITY OF EL CAJON MONTHLY UPDATES IN ARABIC.
THEY WOULD DO AN INTRODUCTION OF DIFFERENT COUNCIL MEMBERS AND, UM, SPECIFIC STAFF MEMBERS, DEPARTMENT DIRECTORS, AND OTHER STAFF, INTRODUCE 'EM TO THE COMMUNITY, EXPLAIN WHAT THE CITY DOES, WHAT SPECIFIC DEPARTMENTS DO.
UH, THEY WOULD DO A QUARTERLY VIDEO ABOUT CITY SERVICES, AND THEN THEY WOULD HELP US DURING DISASTER OR EMERGENCIES WHERE THEY COULD GET THE WORD OUT OF WHAT'S GOING ON.
SO THE ARABIC COMMUNITY IS COMMUNICATED TO.
AND THEN, UM, THEY WOULD ALSO ASSIST OUR OWN, UH, UM, MEDIA NEEDS WITH CONTENT AND TRANSLATION.
SO THEN MOVING ON TO THE LAST, UH, AGREEMENT THAT STAFF'S PROPOSING IS AN AGREEMENT WITH THE DOWNTOWN EL CAJON PARTNERS.
THIS, THIS AGREEMENT'S A LITTLE BIT UNIQUE BECAUSE, UM, WHERE THE OTHER AGREEMENTS ARE FOR A SPECIFIC AMOUNT OF MONEY, THIS ONE IS FOR A MINIMUM AMOUNT OF $300,000, BUT THIS COULD ACTUALLY GROW DEPENDING ON IF, LET'S SAY THE PICKLEBALL COURTS THAT WE'RE WORKING ON AT WELLS PARK.
WITH ARPA MONEY COMES IN A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS LESS THAN ANTICIPATED THAT MONEY COULD BE REALLOCATED LEGALLY WITHOUT HAVING TO GIVE IT UP TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT INTO THIS PROGRAM.
AND WE COULD CONTINUE TO GROW THE DIFFERENT PROJECTS OR THE, THE REINVESTMENT INTO OUR OWN DOWNTOWN.
UH, WE'VE IDENTIFIED $512,000 WORTH OF PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS IN THE DOWNTOWN.
UH, WE DON'T THINK WE'LL HAVE $512,000 AVAILABLE, BUT AT LEAST IF, UM, A MINIMUM OF $300,000 WOULD GO SPECIFICALLY TO THE DOWNTOWN ELCON PARTNERS.
AND THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO FOLLOW ALL THE SAME RULES THAT WE'VE ESTABLISHED IN THE OTHER GRANT AGREEMENTS.
UM, AND THE GOAL WOULD BE TO SPEND THE MONEY BY THE END OF, OR BY THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR IN 2026.
SO GIVE US SIX MONTHS EXTRA TIME IN CASE WE NEED THAT TIME.
SO WITH THAT, STAFF'S HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, BUT IF THERE WERE NO QUESTIONS OR AFTER THE QUESTIONS ARE ANSWERED, STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THE CITY COUNCIL, UH, TAKE ON EACH OF THE THREE RESOLUTIONS SEPARATELY APPROVING THE THREE DIFFERENT GRANT AGREEMENTS, AND THEN ALSO ACCEPT THE PROPOSED ARPA ADJUSTMENTS.
AND AS WE GET THERE, I CAN RELIST THIS AS FALL, UM, THAT ARE I IDENTIFIED ON THE SCREEN.
BUT FOR RIGHT NOW, WE'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE RESOLUTIONS AND THE AGREEMENTS AND STAFF'S HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
COUNSEL, ANY QUESTIONS? STEVE, YOU WANNA START? SURE.
A QUESTION ON, UH, LEFTOVER MONEY.
IS IT MY UNDERSTANDING THEN THAT YOU CANNOT SAY YOU HAD A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS LEFTOVER FROM PICKLEBALL, YOU CAN'T MAKE
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A NEW PROGRAM AFTER DECEMBER 31ST OF THIS YEAR AND SAY, OH, WE WE'RE GONNA COME UP WITH A NEW PROGRAM, OR WE'RE GONNA PUT HUNDRED THOUSAND THERE, BUT YOU COULD TAKE THAT A HUNDRED THOUSAND AND PUT IT INTO AN EXISTING PROGRAM.SO, UH, ARE YOU COMFORTABLE THAT ALL THE EXISTING PROGRAMS HAVE ROOM TO ACCEPT ANY OVERAGE OR SHOULD, SHOULD WE CREATE A, UH, MISCELLANEOUS CATEGORY FOR, UH, STREET CLEANING AND BEAUTIFICATION OR, I DON'T KNOW.
IF WE DID THAT, WE WOULD HAVE, WE'D HAVE TO HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH AN ORGANIZATION THAT WOULD DO THAT WORK IF THERE WAS EXTRA MONEY.
SO IT'S MORE THAN JUST ALLOCATING IT TO A PROJECT, IT HAS TO HAVE A PROCUREMENT AND A CONTRACT ASSIGNED TO THAT MONEY.
AND YOU THINK THERE'S ENOUGH OF THOSE OUT THERE THAT THEY COULD ABSORB ANY OVERAGE? YES.
UH, ANYTIME WE OUTSOURCE STUFF, I ALWAYS LIKE TO PROTECT THE TAXPAYER AND SAY, WHAT IF THINGS DON'T GO AS PLANNED? YOU KNOW, WE, WE WE'RE THOUGHT THAT THEY WOULD MOVE FASTER THAN THEY'RE MOVING.
UH, THEY'RE HAVING TROUBLE FIGURING THIS OUT.
IT APPEARS IN THE CONTRACT THAT WE HAVE, UH, BOTH A TERMINATION WITH CAUSE AND TERMINATION WITHOUT CAUSE.
SO TO BE CLEAR, WE COULD GET OUT, EITHER PARTY COULD GET OUT WITH 10 DAYS NOTICE FOR ANY REASON.
AND, AND YOU LE WHAT YOU CAN LEGALLY DO, LET'S SAY, LET'S SAY IT'S NOT THIS, LET'S SAY IT'S A STREET PAVING JOB AND YOU HAVE A CONTRACTOR LINED UP AND HALFWAY THROUGH THE PROJECT, THEY GO BELLY UP AND THEY, THEY NO LONGER CAN FULFILL THE REQUIREMENTS AND THEY NEVER EVEN DRAW ON THE ARPA MONEY.
YOU CAN THEN GO FIND A DIFFERENT COMPANY THAT DOES THAT SAME WORK AND HAVE THEM DO THE REPLACEMENT WORK.
AND THAT'S A LEGAL USE OF THE ARPA MONEY.
SO WE WOULD, WITH, WITH THE COUNTY AND COMMUNITY COUNCIL, IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
WE'D HAVE TO FIND SOMEBODY THAT COULD DO THAT, BUT WE THINK THERE'S ENOUGH, UM, THERE'S ENOUGH IN THERE FOR US TO CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT WORK.
AND IN WORST CASE SCENARIO, WE CAN ALWAYS PUT, PUT IT BACK INTO THE DOWNTOWN.
I THINK THERE'S ENOUGH PEOPLE WE COULD FIND THAT THROUGH ROOF REPAIRS, HVAC, UH, GENERAL BUILDING STUFF, THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT COULD STEP IN.
WE WOULD JUST HAVE TO INITIATE THE WORK AT THAT POINT AND NOT HAVE THEM DO IT.
AND THEN WE WOULD, UH, SAVE WE WOULD THEN BE ABLE TO REDEEM THE ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS.
CARRIE OR MICHELLE? UM, JUST WANNA CLARIFY SOMETHING.
THE, THE MONEY THAT IS GOING TO THE CHALDEAN COMMUNITY COUNCIL, THIS IS MONEY THAT WE WOULD BE SPENDING ANYWAY IN, IN A DIFFERENT FORM, RIGHT? YEAH, I WOULDN'T REALLY SAY IT'S A GRANT TO THEM.
THEY'RE ACTUALLY BEING OUR AGENT IN ACCOMPLISHING THE WORK THAT WE COMMITTED TO DO.
THE ONLY MONEY REALLY GOING TO THEM WOULD BE THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT FEE OF, OF ABOUT $55,000.
SO, UM, WHICH AGAIN, WOULD BE COST THAT WE WOULD INCUR IF WE WERE DOING IT IN HOUSE.
SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN THE OTHER GRANTS BECAUSE IT IS TRULY A PASS THROUGH.
SO NO, NO EXTRA FINANCING OF NOTHING THAT WE HAVEN'T ALREADY AGREED TO IN THE PAST? THAT'S CORRECT.
AND AS I INDICATED EARLIER, THAT MONEY ONLY GOES TO THEM AFTER THEY HAVE DONE THE WORK IN THE WORK HAS BEEN INVOICED AND PAID FOR.
AND THE, UM, THE PROGRAM ALLOWS FOR THE, UM, PROJECT MANAGEMENT FEE? IT DOES.
LET ME SEE IF THERE'S ANY, UM, UH, PEOPLE WANTING TO COMMENT ON THIS.
WE HAVE ONE, UH, SPEAKER CARD FROM MOHAMMED TAMA.
MAYOR WILLS, UH, COUNCIL MEMBERS AND STAFF.
I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF THE NEWCOMER SUPPORT AND DEVELOPMENT.
UH, OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH THE CITY BEEN FOR LIKE 10 YEARS OR MORE, UH, WORKING ON EDUCATING THE COMMUNITY IN ARABIC ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON.
AND THIS TIME, UH, WITH THE HELP OF THE, UH, FUND AVAILABLE, WE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THIS AS A PROJECT TO ENHANCE THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT WITH THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND LET THE PEOPLE WHO SPEAK ARABIC UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON, CONNECT THEM TO THE CITY AS WE'VE DONE BEFORE, TOWN HALLS AND WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE CITY.
SO, UM, THIS FUND IS GONNA BE USED FOR EQUIPMENT PURCHASE ONLY.
AND THERE IS ONE THING THAT, UM, AND THANK YOU GRAHAM FOR WORKING WITH US AND VINCE FOR ON THIS.
UM, SOME OF IT, EVEN THE EQUIPMENTS CAN BE USED BY CITY STAFF FOR THEIR OWN SOCIAL MEDIA PROGRAM.
SO IT'S NOT ONLY IN ARABIC, BUT EVEN WITH THE CITY.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE SOMETHING REALLY WORK GOOD FOR THE CITY.
AND I BELIEVE THIS IS THE FIRST CITY EVER WHO'S WORKING ON THIS PROJECT IN THE UNITED STATES.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR MOHAMED? YEAH, MOHAMED,
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IS THAT YOUR SON SITTING NEXT TO YOU THERE? YES.WELL, I JUST WANT TO TELL YOUR SON THAT, UH, YOUR DAD IS A VERY WELL RESPECTED COMMUNITY LEADER HERE IN EL CAJON, SO BE PROUD OF HIM.
ANYBODY ELSE? NO OTHER COMMENTS, SIR.
WELL, I'LL BRING IT BACK TO CITY COUNCIL AND, UH, I DON'T, YOU DON'T REALLY NEED A MOTION ON THIS, GRAHAM, WE, WE ACTUALLY NEED A MOTION FOR EACH OF THOSE THREE RESOLUTIONS.
OH, OH, YOU DO? SO I WOULD HANDLE THEM SEPARATELY.
AND THEN WE'LL NEED A MOTION, A FOURTH MOTION TO ACCEPT THE PROPOSED ARPA CHANGES AS SHOWN ON THE SCREEN.
SO IF SOMEBODY WOULD LIKE TO START THAT PROCESS.
UH, NUMBER ONE, UH, MOVE THAT WE ADOPT NEXT RESOLUTION IN ORDER APPROVING A GRANT AGREEMENT FOR AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $609,950 WITH A CHALDEAN COMMUNITY COUNCIL FOR TENANT IMPROVEMENTS AT 4 0 5 EAST LEXINGTON AVENUE.
MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF THOSE PRESENT.
I MOVE THAT WE ADOPT THE NEXT RESOLUTION IN ORDER APPROVING A GRANT AGREEMENT FOR AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $150,000 WITH NEWCOMER SUPPORT AND DEVELOPMENT.
MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF THOSE PRESENT.
OKAY,
MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF THOSE PRESENT.
AND WE GOT ONE MORE, DON'T WE? SO YES, COUNSEL WITH THOSE AGREEMENTS, UM, APPROVED, THEN WE NEED JUST THE, THE ACCEPTANCE OF THE AL REALLOCATION OF ARPA FUNDS.
WE ACCEPT THE PROPOSED ARPA ADJUSTMENTS AS OUTLINED IN THE STAFF REPORT.
MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF THOSE PRESENT.
[13. Summary of the 2024 State Legislative Session RECOMMENDATION: This is an informational item only. No action from the City Council is required.]
UH, ITEM 13 IS LEGISLATIVE REPORT AND OUR ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, MR. VINCE DIAGGIO, WILL TELL US ABOUT THIS.SO I KNOW YOU'VE BEEN WAITING ALL YEAR FOR THIS AND, UM, THIS, WE ALWAYS HAVE TO HAVE FUN WITH THIS.
WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T LEAVE WITHOUT HAVING FUN.
OKAY, SO LET ME JUST GIVE A QUICK SUMMARY OF, OF WHAT I WROTE IN THE, UM, IN THE STAFF REPORT.
UM, THIS YEAR WE HAD, UM, APPROXIMATELY 2,150 BILLS THAT WERE PRESENTED OF THOSE, UM, THAT THAT WAS ACTUALLY ABOUT 400 FEWER THAN LAST YEAR, BY THE WAY, WHICH IS A HUGE YEAR.
UM, OF THOSE 1200 PASSED, UH, THE BOTH HOUSES OF THE LEGISLATURE AND GOVERNOR NEWSOM VETOED A TOTAL OF 189, WHICH IS ABOUT 15%, ROUGHLY 15% OF THOSE THAT REACHED HIS DESK.
UM, ONE IS QUITE FAMILIAR TO US.
WE'VE DEALT WITH IT FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS.
UH, LAWS DEALING WITH PLANNING AND HOUSING RELATED BILLS THAT CONTINUE TO SEEK THE ONE SIZE FITS ALL, UH, THROUGHOUT THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA.
SO THEY REALLY ARE PUSHING TOWARDS, UM, A STAND, A STANDARDIZED, UH, ZONING AND HOUSING, UM, PLATFORM, IF YOU WILL.
THEY, THEY DON'T WANT CITIES DEVELOPING THEIR OWN ZONING, THEIR OWN, UM, HOUSING RULES AND REGULATIONS.
THEY'RE REALLY MOVING TO TAKE THAT AWAY.
UM, AND THEN TWO, OF COURSE, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT A LOT OF DRAMA S UH, CENTERED AROUND WAS RETAIL THEFT BILLS.
AND I'LL GET INTO, I'LL GET INTO THAT, UH, IN MORE IN DEPTH WHEN I GO THROUGH THE, THE INDIVIDUAL BILLS.
SO OF THE 200, THERE WERE 215 BILLS DEALING WITH PLANNING OR HOUSING.
OF, OF THOSE 56 WERE PASSED AND 25 OF THOSE 56 AFFECT CITIES DIRECTLY.
WE'RE, WE STAFF ARE CONTINUING TO LOOK DEEPLY IN INSIDE THOSE BILLS TO SEE WHICH ARE GOING TO REQUIRE SOME SORT OF MUNICIPAL CODE ADJUSTMENT.
AND THEN THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT WILL BRING THOSE FORWARD TO YOU TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THESE, WITH THESE NEW LAWS.
THE, THE MAJOR BATTLE DURING THE TIME WAS THE CRIME AND RETAIL THEFT.
SO THIS CAME ABOUT BECAUSE THERE WAS A GRASSROOTS
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MOVEMENT TO PUT, UM, SOMETHING ON THE BALLOT THAT REPEALED PART OF PROPOSITION 47.UM, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THE MAJORITY PARTY AND THE GOVERNOR DOES NOT WANT TO HAPPEN.
AND SO IN RESPONSE TO THE GRASSROOTS EFFORT, WHICH WAS SUCCESSFUL AND IS ON THE BALLOT AS PROPOSITION 36, UM, AS A RESULT OF THAT, THE GOVERNOR PUT FORTH A NUMBER OF BILLS THAT, THAT I WILL GO INTO DETAIL HERE ON SHORTLY.
UM, ALL OF THOSE BILLS DO NOT TAKE EFFECT, UM, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE PASSED AND SIGNED BY THE GOVERNOR, NONE OF THOSE BILLS WILL TAKE EFFECT IF PROPOSITION 36 PASSES, WHICH WILL REPEAL PARTS OF PROPOSITION 47.
THE LATEST POLLING I'VE SEEN IS THAT PROPOSITION 36 WILL PROBABLY PASS WELL ABOVE 55% AND MAYBE ABOVE 60%.
SO IT'S LIKELY THAT NONE OF THE, NONE OF THE SUITE OF THE, WHAT'S CALLED THE NEWSOM ANTI-CRIME PACKAGE WILL ACTUALLY TAKE EFFECT.
UM, BUT THEY DON'T DO THAT MUCH ANYWAY.
SO IT'S, IT'S, IT'S JUST POLITICAL MANEUVERING.
SO AT THIS POINT, LET ME, LET ME HIGHLIGHT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT HAPPENED DURING THIS LEGISLATIVE SESSION.
UM, SB 1164, UM, THIS WOULD HAVE, UM, EXEMPTED ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS FROM, UH, PROPERTY TAX ASSESSMENT FOR 15 YEARS THAT WAS GENERALLY SEEN, UM, AS A POSITIVE TO ENCOURAGE, UH, A DU CONSTRUCTION, THAT THAT DID NOT GO ANYWHERE.
UM, THE TAX HOLIDAY BILL, WHICH SEVERAL STATES HAVE, I WAS CITY MANAGER IN THE STATE OF TEXAS.
THEY HAVE THIS AND IT'S DURING ONE WEEKEND, AND PARENTS GO TO ALL THE STORES.
THEY BUY ALL THE SCHOOL SUPPLIES, THEY'RE NON-TAXED.
AND IT'S, IT'S HUGELY SUCCESSFUL AND IT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE.
AND SO IF IT'S GONNA BE SUCCESSFUL AND MAKES SENSE, YOU CAN BET IT'S NOT GONNA GET APPROVED.
AND SO IT DIED, UM, THE 1494, UH, THIS IS THE LOCAL, UM, SALES AND USE TAX.
THIS IS, THIS IS VERY RELEVANT TO US AND IS ACTUALLY A GOOD THING THAT, THAT THIS DIDN'T GO ANYWHERE BECAUSE IT WOULD RETROACTIVELY VOID TAX SHARING AGREEMENTS AND IT WOULD ALSO PROHIBIT, UM, TAX SHARING AGREEMENTS INTO THE FUTURE.
UM, I, I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT IT COMING BACK EITHER.
SO IT'S, THIS IS ACTUALLY SOMETHING THAT, THAT CAME OUTTA THE SESSION THAT WAS GOOD FOR THE CITY OF EL CAJON.
UM, THIS IS A AB 26 26, THE 10 YEAR DELAY IN CONVERTING FLEET VEHICLES TO ELECTRIC VEHICLES.
THIS WOULD'VE HELPED US BECAUSE WE'RE EMBARKING ON THAT CONVERSION RIGHT NOW.
AND HAVING THAT EXTRA 10 YEARS WOULD'VE BEEN VERY HELPFUL TO US, UH, FROM A BUDGETING PERSPECTIVE.
AND ALSO IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO ACTUALLY PUT TOGETHER A, A, A PACKAGE FOR A DEALERSHIP TO GET ALL THESE LEC ELECTRIC, UH, VEHICLES.
SO THE 10 YEAR DELAY WOULD'VE MADE A LOT OF SENSE.
AND BECAUSE IT WOULD'VE MADE A LOT OF SENSE, IT DIDN'T GO ANYWHERE.
UM, AB 3 0 0 5, UH, THIS, THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS GOING ON RIGHT NOW WITH THE GAS TAX.
UM, AS YOU MAY KNOW, UH, THE GOVERNOR CALLED A SPECIAL SESSION AFTER THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION TO TALK ABOUT THE GAS TAX.
UM, THERE'S ALSO THINGS HAPPENING, UH, WITH THE VARI WITH VARIOUS STATE AGENCIES CONCERNING THEIR REGULATION OF THE GAS TAX.
IT'S GENERALLY FELT THAT ALL THESE MACHINATIONS ARE GONNA RESULT IN SOME SORT OF GAS TAX INCREASE BETWEEN 40 AND 60 CENTS PER GALLON.
UM, STARTING IN 2025, UM, THIS BILL WOULD'VE ALLOWED THE GOVERNOR SOME DISCRETION IN SUSPENDING THE UPWARD ADJUSTMENT OF THAT TAX.
IT DIED, IT DIDN'T GO ANYWHERE.
UM, AB 1794 IS ONE OF THE PACKAGE OF CRIME BILLS THAT WAS PUT FORTH BY MCCARTY.
MCCARTY WAS PART OF THAT, THAT WHOLE EFFORT UNTIL SUCH TIME AS HIS BILL WATERED, GOT WATERED DOWN IN COMMITTEE AND THEN GOT WATERED DOWN ON THE FLOOR.
AND HE PERSONALLY PULLED OUT OF THAT ANTI-CRIME PACKAGE.
SO HIS BILL, WHICH MADE CHANGES TO PROP 47, UH, HE PULLED IT OUT HIMSELF, AND THAT'S WHAT CAUSED THE, THE DEATH OF THAT BILL.
UM, AB 1772 IS PROPOSITION 36 FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES.
THIS IS WHY PROPOSITION 36 HAPPENED, UM, OR IS HAPPENING ON THE BALLOT.
THIS WOULD HAVE, UH, MADE CHANGES TO PROP 47 BY REINSTATING THE FELONY WITH TWO, IF YOU HAD TWO PRIOR CONVICTIONS BECAUSE THE LEGISLATIVE MAJORITY IS NOT INTERESTED IN, IN THIS AT ALL.
AND THAT'S WHAT PUSHED FORTH THE GRASSROOTS EFFORT ON THE PART OF THE MAJOR RETAILERS, UH, ALONG WITH SOME OTHER, UM, STATEWIDE COMMUNITY GROUPS THAT PUT 36 ON THE BALLOT.
SO THIS IS ESSENTIALLY 1772 IS ESSENTIALLY WHAT THE
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VOTERS WILL BE CONSIDERING IN PROP 36 IS TO REESTABLISH THE FELONY THEFT IF SOMEONE HAS TWO, UH, PRIOR CONVICTIONS AND, AND A MANDATORY JAIL TERM.UH, SB EIGHT 20 ALLOWS THE SEIZURE OF PROPERTY IF, UM, IF AN UNLICENSED CANNABIS, UM, COMMERCIAL CANNABIS ACTIVITY IS UNCOVERED.
SO PLACES THAT ALLOW COMMERCIAL CANNABIS, UH, SIMILAR WITH, UM, THE UNLICENSED MOONSHINING, WHICH IS WHAT I SAID IN THERE.
IF, IF SOMEONE IS, UH, HAVE A MOONSHINE, HAS A MOONSHINE OPERATION, UH, THERE CAN BE A SEIZURE OF PROPERTY.
THIS WAS GOING TO APPLY TO CANNABIS, UH, OPERATIONS AS WELL.
UH, IT, AGAIN, NOT WANTING TO EXPAND THE CRIMINAL SPECTRUM.
THIS IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT I CALLED VIRTUE SIGNALING.
UM, I GUESS SORIA WAS IN A REALLY, IS IN A REALLY, UH, TIGHT RACE.
SO SOMETHING HAD TO BE DONE TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE THEY WERE BEING TOUGH ON CRIME.
AND THEY SAID SALE OR PURCHASE OF 28.35 GRAMS OF FENTANYL, UH, WILL CAUSE UH, UH, INCREASED PENALTIES.
OF COURSE, THAT MUCH FENTANYL WILL KILL ABOUT 20,000 PEOPLE.
SO YOU'RE NOT GONNA FIND A DRUG DEALER WALKING AROUND WITH 28.35 GRAMS OF FENTANYL.
UM, IT WASN'T GOING TO DO, YOU KNOW, IT WASN'T GOING TO DO ANYTHING 'CAUSE IT JUST, THE DRUG, THE DRUG DEALERS DON'T CARRY THAT MUCH FENTANYL.
UM, ANOTHER BILL THAT MADE A LOT OF SENSE WAS TO, WAS TO TAKE XYLAZINE AND ADD IT TO A CATEGORY OF DRUGS TO INCREASE CRIMINAL PENALTIES.
THIS IS A DRUG THAT HAS BEEN KIND OF MOVING IN WAVES FROM THE EAST COAST, PHILADELPHIA, CHICAGO, MOVING OVER TO SAN FRANCISCO.
UM, IT'S CALLED TRAN OR ZOMBIE DRUG.
AND THIS WOULD, ADDING THIS TO THE LIST OF ILLICIT DRUGS WOULD'VE INCREASED CRIMINAL PENALTIES.
AGAIN, THIS LEGISLATURE WILL NOT DO ANYTHING TO INCREASE CRIMINAL PENALTIES.
AND SO, UH, IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT IT HAS TO DO WITH IT, WHETHER IT'S THEFT, WHETHER IT'S VIOLENT CRIME, WHETHER IT'S DRUGS, IF IT HAS TO DO WITH INCREASING CRIMINAL PENALTIES, IT'S NOT GONNA GO ANYWHERE.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED HERE.
UM, AB UH, 2042, THIS HAS TO DO WITH, UM, AGAIN, UH, POLICE CANINES.
THERE'S TWO BILLS THAT GOT DEFEATED HAVING TO DO WITH POLICE CANINES.
YOU'LL REMEMBER LAST YEAR A STRONG EFFORT WAS PUT, UM, UNDER, UH, BY THE POLICE CHIEFS.
A STRONG EFFORT WAS PUT TOGETHER TO RESIST THE PROHIBITION OF POLICE CANINES THAT WAS SUCCESSFUL.
THEY'RE CHIPPING AWAY AT THIS, TRYING TO CREATE STANDARDS THAT RESTRICT, UH, THE USE OF CANINES.
IT REALLY IS INDICATIVE OF THE FACT THAT THEY REALLY DON'T KNOW WHY THEY'RE PROPOSING THESE THINGS.
UM, THE USE OF POLICE CANINES PROTECTS HUMAN OFFICERS.
THE POLICE CANINES GO IN FIRST TO DISARM OR OTHERWISE APPREHEND THE SUSPECT.
OKAY? THERE'S SOME PERCEPTION OUT THERE THAT POLICE CANINES ARE, ARE USED TO MAUL A SUSPECT.
THEY'RE NOT USED TO MAUL A SUSPECT.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE USED IN A VERY STANDARD WAY, IN A VERY CAREFUL WAY TO CREATE A SAFE SITUATION.
AND IF, IF THE, IF POLICE CANINES OR THE USE POLICE CANINES IS NO LONGER ALLOWED, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE HUMAN OFFICERS PUT IN HARM'S WAY MUCH MORE FREQUENTLY THAN THEY, THAN THEY ARE NOW.
UM, AND, AND LIKELY THEY'LL PULL THEIR GUNS QUICKER FOR IN SELF-DEFENSE, WHEREAS POLICE CANINES ARE FIRST IN TO TRY AND, AND QUELL THAT SITUATION.
SO THIS DIED, IT WAS SUCCESSFULLY BEATEN BACK BY, UM, BY THE POLICE, UH, CHIEFS ASSOCIATION.
AND THE SECOND, THE SECOND ONE, PACHECO HAD A VERY SIMILAR ONE, DID SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY.
IT REQUIRED CITIES TO ADOPT A POLICY, AND ALL THE USE OF THE CANINES HAD TO BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THAT POLICY THAT ALSO DIED.
THE NEWSOME, THE NEWSOME ANTI-FAT PACKAGE IS WHAT I WAS REFERRING TO EARLIER.
SO THE FOLLOWING BILLS HAVE ALL BEEN SIGNED BY THE GOVERNOR.
IF PROPOSITION 36 PASSES, NONE OF THESE BILLS WILL TAKE EFFECT.
THAT'S THE QUOTE UNQUOTE POISON PILL OR THE NULLIFICATION CLAUSE.
SO THIS WHOLE PACKAGE WAS IN RESPONSE TO THE EFFORT TO PUT A REPEAL OF PROP 47, AND THEY REALLY DON'T DO A WHOLE LOT.
THIS WAS POLITICAL MANEUVERING ENTIRELY BY TRYING TO CONVINCE THE PUBLIC THAT THE LEGISLATURE WAS GOING TO DO SOMETHING IN RESPONSE TO THE LEGI.
TO, IN RESPONSE TO THE GRASSROOTS EFFORT TO REPEAL PROPOSITION 47, THE FIRST CASE, UM, MAKES, UH, MAKES IT A CRIME TO POSSESS STOLEN PROPERTY INTENDED FOR SALE, UM, AND NOT FOR PERSONAL USE.
SO IN OTHER WORDS, YOU GO INTO A STORE AND YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU STEAL AS MUCH AS YOU
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CAN.VIRTUALLY EVERYTHING IS GOING TO BE FOR PER PERSONAL USE.
AND SO AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S THOSE TYPE OF LITTLE PHRASES THAT ARE INCLUDED IN THESE THINGS THAT REALLY KILL THE REAL MEANING OF THEM.
SO THIS ONE WAS SIGNED BY THE GOVERNOR, BUT WILL NOT TAKE EFFECT IF 36 HAS PASSED.
THE SECOND ONE HAS TO DO WITH WHAT JURISDICTION YOU BRING CHARGES IN.
THIS WAS SIGNED BY THE GOVERNOR.
UM, IT'S, IT'S NOT RELATED TO A PARTICULAR TYPE OF CRIME, IT'S JUST WHERE, WHERE, UM, DISTRICT ATTORNEYS CAN BRING CHARGES.
UM, MCCARTY AT 1794, THIS WAS ANOTHER MCCARTY BILL ABOUT AN ONLINE PORTAL ALLOWING PEOPLE TO, UM, SUBMIT THE DETAILS OF A RE, UH, RETAIL THEFT EVENT ON AN ONLINE PORTAL.
THIS WAS ALSO PULLED BY MCCARTY HIMSELF AND NEVER, NEVER WAS, UH, TAKEN TO A VOTE.
AB 1802, UH, AGAIN, DEALING WITH ORGANIZED THEFT, IT REMOVES A 2031 SUNSET PROVISION ON A CERTAIN PART OF AN EXISTING ORGANIZED RETAIL THEFT STATUTE.
UM, THAT'S ACTUALLY A GOOD THING.
UM, BUT THERE WAS ALL, BUT THERE WAS A SUNSET TO BEGIN WITH WHERE PROPOSITION 36 HAS NO SUNSET.
SO THIS WAS TO REMOVE A SUNSET.
IT WAS DONE SPECIFICALLY TO SAY, SEE, WE'RE DOING SOMETHING, WE'RE TAKING THIS SUNSET CLAUSE OUT OF A RETAIL THEFT STATUTE.
SO IT WAS KIND OF PAY PAYING LIP SERVICE TO, TO ONE OF THE RETAIL THEFT STATUTES.
IT WAS SIGNED BY THE GOVERNOR.
OF COURSE, THIS, UH, AB 32 0 9, UM, ALLOWS A, UH, RESTRAINING ORDER TO PEOPLE WHO HAVE, ALLOWS A RESTRAINING ORDER TO BE ISSUED BY A COURT FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE REPEAT, UM, CONDUCT THEFTS IN A, IN A REPETITIVE MANNER.
AND SO, AGAIN, THERE'S NO INCREASED PUNISHMENT OR NO INCREASED SENTENCE FOR SOMEONE WHO VIOLATES THE RESTRAINING ORDER.
BUT IT WAS JUST ANOTHER TOOL ALONG WITH THE TRESPASS STATUTES.
IT WAS JUST ANOTHER TOOL FOR THE OWNER OF THE STORE TO TRY AND UTILIZE TO, TO KEEP PEOPLE FROM CONTINUING TO STEAL FROM THE ESTABLISHMENT.
UM, AGAIN, IT WAS SIGNED BY GOVERNOR.
IT, IT REALLY DOESN'T MEAN A WHOLE LOT BECAUSE IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO PUNISH THE VIOLATION OF THE RESTRAINING ORDER THERE, THERE'S NO POINT.
UM, SB 9 0 5, IT MAKES IT A CRIME, UH, MAKES IT FORCIBLE ENTRY INTO A VEHICLE WITH THE INTENT TO COMMIT A THEFT, A CRIME PUNISHABLE.
WHY ONE YEAR IN JAIL? SO THAT'S BASICALLY A MISDEMEANOR.
UM, ALSO SIGNED BY THE GOVERNOR, UH, SB 9 82 REPEALS THE 2026 SUNSET DATE ON ANOTHER ORGANIZED, UH, RETAIL, UH, THEFT STATUTE.
THAT REALLY DOESN'T HAVE ANY EFFECT BECAUSE THE STATUTE THAT IT'S REFERRING TO IS ALSO COVERED IN PROPOSITION 36.
SO THIS REALLY BECOMES, UM, NULL AND VOID.
IF PROPOSITION 36 PASSES, UM, SB 1242 MAKES, MAKES USING A FIRE OR SETTING A FIRE TO GAIN ACCESS TO A RETAIL ESTABLISHMENT, AN AGGRAVATING FACTOR.
SO IT COULD ENHANCE, IT COULD CAUSE PENALTY ENHANCEMENTS.
SO IN THAT, IN THAT INSTANCE, UM, THIS, THIS WAS ALSO SIGNED BY THE GOVERNOR.
THIS IS A POTENTIAL SENTENCING ENHANCEMENT BILL THAT DID PASS, UM, BUT AGAIN, WILL NOT TAKE EFFECT.
SHOULD 36 PASS SB 1416, UM, CREATES A SUNSET CLAUSE ON CERTAIN SENTENCING ENHANCEMENTS.
SO WHERE ANY SENTENCING ENHANCEMENT HAPPENS IN THIS GROUP OF BILLS, THIS BILL, UH, SUNSETS THOSE SENTENCING ENHANCEMENTS IN 2030, WHERE, AGAIN, PROP 36 DOES NOT, UM, SB 1144, UH, SUPPOSED TO PREVENT, PREVENT ONLINE MARKETPLACES FROM LISTING OR, OR SELLING STOLEN GOODS.
IT REALLY IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR, FOR THE, THE OPERATORS OF EBAY OR AMAZON OR ANY ONLINE MARKETPLACE TO TELL WHAT'S BEING SOLD AS STOLEN.
IT'S, IT'S VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE.
SO IT'S, IT'S A MEANINGLESS, IT'S A MEANINGLESS LAW.
I THINK THESE ARE THE LAST ONES.
UM, THIS IS A SENTENCING ENHANCEMENT AB 1960.
IT CREATES SENTENCING ENHANCEMENT UNTIL 2030 OF RETAIL THEFT COMMITTED WHILE COMMITTING ANOTHER FELONY AGAIN, GOES AWAY.
UH, IF 36 HAS PASSED, AB 1972, UH, CREATES, UH, A REGIONAL PROPERTY CRIMES TASK FORCE TO COOPERATE WITH THE RAILROAD POLICE.
SO THIS HAS TO DO WITH, UM, CRIMES THAT OCCUR FROM, UM, STOCK ROLLING STOCK, UM, AND CRIMES THAT ARE, UM, AFFILIATED WITH CARGO AND ROLLING STOCK AND THEFTS THAT OCCUR IN, IN THAT WAY.
SO THE, THE NEXT SET OF BILLS THAT WERE PASSED ARE BILLS THAT WE THINK MAY REQUIRE ZONING CODE AMENDMENTS.
WE'RE NOT ENTIRELY SURE, WE HAVEN'T, UM,
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DOVE INTO THESE YET, BUT I'LL JUST QUICKLY RUN THROUGH THESE.UM, THIS IS AN INTERESTING ONE.
SB 9 37 ALLOWS THE PAYMENT OF DEVELOPMENT IMPACT FEES AND OTHER TYPE FEES AT THE BUILDING PERMIT STAGE.
SO, SO BUILDING PERMITS ARE ACTUALLY ISSUED, UM, AND IT LIMITS THE ABILITY OF LOCAL GOVERNMENTS.
THIS WILL DEFINITELY AFFECT US IN TERMS OF ANY FEES THAT WE COLLECT.
WE DON'T COLLECT DEVELOPMENT IMPACT FEES, BUT WE DO COLLECT OTHER FEES.
AND IT'S ONCE CONSTRUCTION COMMENCES THAT THE FEES WILL BE DUE.
SO THIS, THIS IS VERY INTERESTING TO SEE IF, IF CITIES LOSE FEES BECAUSE THE, THE, UM, THE BUILDING PERMIT HAS ALREADY BEEN ISSUED AND CONSTRUCTION IS ALREADY UNDERWAY, AND TYPICALLY YOU HAVE TO PAY THESE FEES WELL IN ADVANCE OF THAT.
SO IF, IF A DEVELOPER IS NOT AS SOLVENT AS THEY PROBABLY SHOULD BE AND THEY, THEIR FUNDING SOURCE IS NOT AS STABLE AS IT SHOULD BE, THESE FILL FEES MAY NOT BE COLLECTIBLE AND THERE'S NO WAY TO STOP THE CONSTRUCTION AT THAT POINT.
SO IT, IT'S, IT'S INTERESTING TO SEE WHERE THIS IS GOING TO GO.
UM, SB 1123, UM, REQUIRES THE CITY TO MINISTERIALLY, MEANING NO DISCRETION, APPROVE 10 LOT SUBDIVISIONS.
AND THE ADU THAT COULD BE PART OF THAT 10 LOT SUBDIVISION, WHICH COULD BE TWO, COULD BE THREE.
IT AGAIN, IT, IT, AGAIN, IT GOES BACK TO SB NINE HERE.
UM, THOSE ARE NOT COUNTED TOWARDS THE 10 UNIT CAP.
SO THE 10 UNIT CAP ARE JUST THE MAIN PRIMARY PARCELS.
THE ADUS COULD BE ADDED TO THAT IF ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS ARE MET.
AGAIN, REALLY INTERESTING STUFF ABOUT HOW CREATIVE THEY'RE GETTING IN PUSHING MAXIMUM DENSITY HERE.
UM, SB 1211, ANOTHER A DU LAW PROHIBITS LOCAL AGENCIES FROM REQUIRING THE PLACEMENT, THE REPLACEMENT OF UNCOVERED PARKING IF THAT PARKING IS REMOVED TO ACCOMMODATE AN A DU, THE HOUSE.
THIS, THIS NEXT ONE HAS TO DO WITH A CERTAIN REPORTING THAT'S REQUIRED AS PART OF A HOUSING ELEMENT.
I THINK WE WILL DEFINITELY NEED TO PAY, PAY ATTENTION TO THIS AND, AND MAY NEED A, A ZONING CODE AMENDMENT FOR THIS AS WELL.
HAS TO DO WITH POSTING THE INVENTORY OF HOUSING ELIGIBLE SITES ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE AND SOME OTHER REPORTING REQUIREMENTS.
UH, AB 30 68 HAS TO DO WITH ADAPTIVE REUSE, UM, CREATING THE STREAMLINE MINISTERIAL APPROVAL FOR CONVERSION OF OFFICE SPACE TO RESIDENTIAL.
I'M NOT ENTIRELY SURE WHY IT WAS VETOED BECAUSE WE'VE DEALT WITH SEVERAL OTHER KIND OF, UH, LEGISLATION OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS THAT HAS ALLOWED THE CONVERSION OF OFFICE TO RESIDENTIAL.
UM, BUT IN ANY EVENT, IT, IT WAS VETOED.
AND THESE ARE THE LAST THREE, I THINK AB 2243 HAS TO DO WITH, UM, UH, HOUSING DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS AND MINISTERIAL APPROVAL OF THOSE DEVELOPMENTS IF THEY OCCUR IN CERTAIN GEOGRAPHICAL AREAS, MEANING THE DISTANCE REQUIREMENTS FROM INTERSTATES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, AND IT ALSO CREATES CEA EXEMPTIONS FOR THEM.
SO THIS WILL DEFINITELY BE ONE THAT OUR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT WILL NEED TO LOOK AT.
DENSITY BONUS LAWS PART OF AB 24 30, UH, PROHIBITS THE CITY FROM CHARGING A MONITORING FEE TO ENSURE AFFORDABLE UNITS ARE REMAINING AFFORDABLE.
TYPICALLY, CITIES WILL CHARGE, UH, THE RESPONSIBLE PARTY A CERTAIN ADMINISTRATIVE FEE YEARLY TO, TO MONITOR WHETHER, UM, ACTUALLY PEOPLE WITH A QUALIFYING INCOME ARE LIVING IN THE UNITS.
AND THEN FINALLY, UH, 26 94, AGAIN, ALSO HAVING TO DO WITH DENSITY BONUS LAW.
WE'LL HAVE TO AMEND OUR, OUR CODE FOR THIS BECAUSE WE NEED TO ADD RESIDENTIAL CARE FACILITY FOR THE ELDERLY AS BEING A CATEGORY ELIGIBLE FOR DENSITY BONUS IF YOU'RE BUILDING SOMETHING SPECIFICALLY FOR THAT CATEGORY.
SO THAT'S, UH, LET ME, LET ME JUST, I THINK I'VE GOT TWO, TWO MORE HERE.
SO THIS WAS THE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT AND TRANSIT STOPS AB 25 53.
UM, THIS BASICALLY JUST INCREASES THE INTERVAL FOR WHERE, YOU KNOW, THOSE TYPE OF HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS CAN, CAN LOCATE AND B EXEMPT FROM CQA.
UM, THEY'RE INCREASING THE, THE SERVICE INTERVAL FROM 15 TO 20 MINUTES.
SO IT'S, IT'S CREATING A LARGER SPACE OF CQA EXEMPTION, LARGER DISTANCE, UM, FOR CQA EXEMPTION FOR HOUSING DEVELOPMENT WITHIN TRANSIT STOP SERVICE AREAS.
AND FINALLY, AB 26 63 INCLUSIONARY HOUSING IN LIE FEES SIMPLY AS WE NEED TO PUBLISH, UM, OR CITIES NEED TO PUBLISH WHAT THEIR IN LIEU FEES ARE BEING USED FOR.
IF A DEVELOPER IS PAYING AN IN LIE FEE AND NOT ACTUALLY CONSTRUCTING THE HOUSING, WHAT IS THE CITY DOING WITH THAT MONEY TO PROVIDE AFFORDABLE HOUSING? SO THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
IT WAS A VERY ACTIVE YEAR AND, UM, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I WILL DO MY BEST
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TO TRY AND ANSWER THEM.YOU SEE IF THERE'S ANYBODY, ANY QUESTIONS? UH, ARE, WERE THERE ANY SPEAKER CARDS ON THIS ITEM? NO SPEAKER CARD, SIR.
SO THIS IS THE INFORMATIONAL ITEM ONLY.
WE DON'T NEED A MOTION, BUT, UH, LAST CHANCE TO SPEAK UP BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ONE.
I, IS THE LEAGUE OF CITIES EFFECTIVE AT ALL IN, IN HELPING PROTECT THE SOVEREIGNTY OF, OF THE CITIES AT ALL? OR HAVE THEY BEEN PRETTY MUCH UNABLE TO DO THAT? THEY ARE BECOMING INCREASINGLY LESS EFFECTIVE.
UM, I WILL TELL YOU THAT I THINK MR. MITCHELL WOULD AGREE THAT WHEN HE AND I STARTED OUR CAREERS WHEN THE LEAGUE OF CALIFORNIA CITIES SAID THEY DIDN'T LIKE A BILL, IT WENT NOWHERE.
IT WAS A VERY POWERFUL ORGANIZATION BACK IN THE EARLY NINETIES.
UM, IT HAS SINCE, UM, LOST A LOT OF THAT POWER.
UM, I SERVED ON A, I SERVED ON THE LAW ENFORCEMENT COMMITTEE LAST YEAR, ATTENDED A MEETING, AND I WAS VERY SURPRISED BY THE LOBBYISTS AND THEIR VERY, VERY PASSIVE, ALMOST FEARFUL, UM, THE ATTITUDE TOWARDS, THEY DIDN'T WANT TO UPSET THE LEGISLATOR THAT WAS, THAT WAS PROPOSING CERTAIN THINGS, EVEN THOUGH THOSE THINGS WOULD, WOULD BE BAD FOR CITIES AND CITY AND LOCAL AGENCIES.
AND IT'S JUST THIS VERY NON-CONFRONTATIONAL TYPE OF, UM, ATTITUDE THAT THEY HAVE IN TRYING TO INFLUENCE LEGISLATION.
SO I WAS, I WAS VERY SURPRISED BY THAT.
SO I, I THINK IN GENERAL, THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION IS THEY'RE BECOMING LESS AND LESS EFFECTIVE.
YEAH, I, I SUSPECTED THAT, AND, YOU KNOW, GRAHAM, AT, AT SOME POINT WE WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS THE POSSIBILITY OF WELL DIS DISCUSSING WHETHER OR NOT WE SHOULD BE INVOLVED WITH THE ORGANIZATION OR NOT, BUT DIFFERENT DAY.
I, I THINK THAT TIME TO DO THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE DURING THE BUDGET SEASON.
WE CAN PRESENT THE THINGS THE ORGANIZATIONS WE BELONG TO AND THAT MAY BE A GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION.
[14. Annual Report from the Downtown El Cajon Business Partners and Property-Based Improvement District (PBID) Considerations RECOMMENDATION: That the City Council: Considers receiving the 2024 Annual Report from the Downtown El Cajon Business Partners; Receives an update on progress made towards recommendations from the New City America report from February 13, 2024; and Provides feedback on possible action related to the Property-Based Improvement District (PBID).]
14 IS THE ANNUAL REPORT FROM THE DOWNTOWN EL CAJON BUSINESS PARTNERS.UH, OUR CITY MANAGER, GRAHAM MITCHELL, INTRODUCED THIS ITEM, IF WE CAN PULL UP THE PRESENTATION.
UM, THE PURPOSE OF THIS AGENDA ITEM IS TO PRESENT THE 2024 ANNUAL REPORT FROM THE DOWNTOWN ELCO BUSINESS PARTNERS AND THE, UH, THEIR AUDITED FINANCIAL STATEMENTS.
AND WHILE THEY'RE DOING THAT, I THOUGHT WE COULD ALSO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT THE CITY COUNCIL WITH AN UPDATE ON SOME OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS MADE BY NEW CITY AMERICA.
THE STUDY THAT WAS LOOKED AT BY THE COUNCIL IN FEBRUARY KINDA GET A STATUS OF WHERE WE'RE AT TO DATE.
AND THEN, UM, AS WE THINK ABOUT THE FUTURE AND THIS NEXT YEAR, UH, STAFF HAS A COUPLE, UH, AREAS THAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR SOME SPECIFIC FEEDBACK AND GET SOME GUIDANCE FROM THE CITY COUNCIL ON.
SO WITH THAT, AS, AS YOU KNOW, UH, YOU'VE SEEN THIS BEFORE, BUT THE ANNUAL REPORT IDENTIFIES THE INCOME THAT COMES INTO THE ASSESSMENT DISTRICT, WHICH IS MANAGED BY THE EL CAJON OR THE DOWNTOWN EL CAJON BUSINESS PARTNERS.
AND THE BUDGET IS REALLY DIVIDED INTO THREE AREAS.
ENVIRONMENTAL ENHANCEMENTS, WHICH REALLY IDENTIFIES OR INCLUDES, UH, STREET CLEANUP, POWER WASHING, NIGHT SECURITY, SORT OF THE DECORATIVE LIGHTS AND THE HOLIDAY DECORATIONS DURING SPECIAL EVENTS.
UM, THEN THERE'S ECONOMIC ENHANCEMENTS, WHICH TYPICALLY INCLUDE SPECIAL EVENTS AND ANY SPECIFIC, WHAT I'D CALL TRUE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITY, WORKING WITH BROKERS, HELPING TO RETAIN BUSINESSES, HELPING TO ATTRACT BUSINESSES, AND THEN JUST THE OVERALL MANAGEMENT OF, OF THE DOWNTOWN ITSELF, WHICH THERE'S A BUDGET ALLOTMENT FOR THAT.
AND THERE'S A GRAPH IN THE STAFF REPORT AS WELL THAT SHOWS THE AMOUNT OF MONEY SPENT IN 20 23, 24.
AND THAT'S COMES FROM THE FINANCIAL, UM, STATEMENTS AND THEN WHAT'S PROPOSED FOR THE EXISTING OR THE CURRENT FISCAL YEAR IN WHICH WE'RE IN.
I'VE ALSO, UM, BROKEN DOWN THE PERCENTAGES OF THE AMOUNT OF BUDGET GOING TO THESE, THESE DIFFERENT, OR THESE THREE DIFFERENT CATEGORIES.
AND THEN I'VE ALSO INCLUDED A, UH, COLUMN AT THE END THAT IDENTIFIES WHAT THE ENGINEER'S REPORT SAID THAT WE SHOULD BE TARGETING.
SO AS YOU RECALL, WHEN THE, WHEN THE P BID OR THE ASSESSMENT DISTRICT WAS FIRST FORMED, THERE WAS, UH, AN ENGINEER'S REPORT THAT SAID ABOUT 27% OF THE, OF THE MONEY SHOULD GO TOWARDS ENVIRONMENTAL ENHANCEMENTS, 45% TOWARDS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, AND THEN 27% TOWARDS MANAGEMENT.
SO THIS KINDA GIVES YOU A SENSE OF HOW CLOSE WE ARE TO THAT.
IT'S ONE OF THE AREAS THAT THE, UM, THE NEW CITY AMERICA REPORT IDENTIFIED AS MAYBE A VARIANCE OR AN OPPORTUNITY TO REALIGN WITH THE ENGINEERS REPORT.
UM, IN, IN FAIRNESS THOUGH, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE IDENTIFIED IN BOTH ENVIRONMENTAL ENHANCEMENTS
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AND ECONOMIC ENHANCEMENTS, YOU COULD CATEGORIZE SOME OF THAT UNDER MANAGEMENT.FOR EXAMPLE, THE CAR SHOW, THERE IS A MANAGEMENT FEE THAT GOES TO THE ORGANIZER OF THE CAR SHOW.
SO ONE COULD SAY THAT THAT COULD BE FOLDED INTO THE MANAGEMENT, UM, BUT STILL WE'RE, WE'RE UNDER BUDGET OF WHAT WE'RE SPENDING ON MANAGEMENT AND POTENTIALLY OVER BUDGET AND WHAT WE'RE SPENDING ON ECONOMIC ENHANCEMENTS OR, OR SPECIFICALLY EVENTS GOING ON IN THE DOWNTOWN.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE ID THAT THE STAFF REPORT IDENTIFIED IS THAT, UM, IF YOU LOOK AT, WELL, I'LL, I'LL GET THAT, WE'LL GET TO THAT LATER ON.
SO, SO ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE ACTUAL ANNUAL REPORT OR WHAT THEIR GOALS ARE FOR THE UPCOMING YEAR? AND MS. ZEMAN IS HERE FROM THE P BID TO TALK ABOUT, UM, ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE.
SO WE CAN EITHER ADDRESS 'EM NOW OR LATER.
I'VE GOT A QUESTION ON THE, UM, REVENUE LAST YEAR, THE REVENUE WAS 614,000.
THIS YEAR IT'S GONNA BE 5 66, A DROP OF 48,000 OR 8%.
ANY IDEA WHY ASSESSMENTS ARE DROPPING? I I THINK IT'S BECAUSE THE ASSESSMENTS COME IN SORT OF TWO CATEGORIES.
THE ASSESSMENTS THAT ARE ACTUAL, LIKE THE BUSINESSES PAY AND THEN WHAT THE GOVERNMENTS PAY.
I THINK IT, I CAN'T TELL FROM THEIR DOCUMENT THAT THE DIFFERENCE IS WHAT WE CONTRIBUTE TO THE P BID.
THAT DOESN'T SHOW UP AS AN ASSESSMENT.
SO THAT'S NOT A REALLY GOOD APPLE TO APPLE COMPARISON.
AND IN FACT, IT'S PROBABLY A, UM, AN AREA OF IMPROVEMENT 'CAUSE THE DOWNTOWN OR THE ACTUAL ANNUAL REPORT SHOWS EXPENSES, BUT DOESN'T REALLY SHOW A BREAKDOWN OF, OF REVENUE, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, WE, WE TYPICALLY SHOW REVENUE FIRST AND THEN YOU KNOW HOW MUCH YOU ACTUALLY CAN SPEND.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S MISSING FROM THAT REPORT.
MOVING ON, UH, AN UPDATE ON THE DOWNTOWN STUDY THAT YOU RECEIVED EARLIER IN FEBRUARY.
SO THERE WAS FOUR, I MEAN THERE WAS A LOT OF RE THERE'S ABOUT 12 RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT FOUR OF THEM WERE REALLY SPECIFICALLY FOCUSED ON THE, THE MANAGEMENT OF THE P BID.
UH, ONE, ONE OF THE IDEAS WAS TO EXPAND THE BOARD MEMBERSHIP TO INCLUDE THE MARRIOTT, A REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE COURTYARD AND A REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE MAGNOLIA.
UM, THE BYLAWS ARE CURRENTLY BEING REDRAFTED AND WILL BE CONSIDERED NOT AT THEIR MEETING TOMORROW, BUT THE MEETING, THE, THE NEXT MEETING THAT WOULD ALLOW A REPRESENTATIVE, REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE MAGNOLIA TO BE ON THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS.
UM, WE, WE MADE AN ARGUMENT THAT THE COURTYARD IS ALLOWED TO HAVE A BOARD MEMBER BECAUSE THEY ARE A, ONE OF THE MAJOR PROPERTY OWNERS IN THE DOWNTOWN.
AND SO BECAUSE OF THAT, NOW THE GENERAL MANAGER OF THE COURTYARD IS CURRENTLY ON THE BOARD.
SO THAT, THAT IS SOME DIRECT, SOME MOVEMENT IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
UM, SINCE THE REPORT HAS COME OUT AND HAS BEEN PRESENTED TO THE DOWNTOWN BUSINESS PARTNERS BOARD, UH, NO WORK HAS BEEN DONE ON WORKING WITH THE, WITH COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE BROKERS TO SPECIFICALLY TARGET RESTAURANTS OF THE DOWNTOWN.
UH, NO COMMITTEES HAVE BEEN FORMED AS RECOMMENDED BY THE STUDY AND THERE'S NOT REALLY BEEN A, UM, CONCERTED CAMPAIGN TO PROMOTE THE DIFFERENT RESTAURANTS IN THE DOWNTOWN.
WE DO KNOW THAT, UH, VORE AND THE DOWNTOWN CAFE IS PROMOTED DURING THE CONCERTS IN THE PARK.
BUT, UM, OTHER THAN THAT, NOT A REALLY CONCERTED CAMPAIGN TO BEEF THAT UP.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE WORKED WITH THEM ON RECENTLY IS UPDATING THEIR WEBSITE.
AND SO THERE'S SOME NEW IMAGERY AND THERE'S SOME NEW POST OR NEW, UM, PROMOTION.
SO WE THINK THAT'S A GOOD START.
BUT I THINK THE NEXT STEP IS TO REALLY PROMOTE WHY TO COME TO DOWNTOWN EL CAJON, TO, TO NOT ONLY EAT, BUT ALSO TO SHOP.
UM, AND CONSIDERING SOME OF THE, THE DIRECTION FOR THE FUTURE STAFF INCLUDED REALLY TWO AREAS.
ONE IS WHAT, WHAT SHOULD BE THE FUTURE OF THE CAR SHOW? AND THEN TWO, HOW DO WE WANNA TACKLE THE RENEWAL OF THE, OF THE P BID? SO, UM, FOR MANY YEARS, STAFF HAS RECEIVED COMPLAINTS ABOUT PARKING, UM, OR THE LACK OF PARKING BECAUSE THE CAR SHOW DOES DOMINATE MUCH OF MAIN STREET FROM ABOUT TWO O'CLOCK ON THIS LAST YEAR.
WE ACTUALLY CHANGED THE, UH, ENCROACHMENT PERMIT AND PUSH THAT BACK A LITTLE BIT, BUT THAT DIDN'T CHANGE THE BEHAVIOR OF THOSE THAT SHOW UP TO THE CAR, SHOW IT.
UM, SO IT DIDN'T REALLY DO MUCH THERE.
BUT I THINK THE AREA WHERE STAFF IS REALLY FOCUSED ON IS IF, IF 72 TO $80,000 OF THE BUDGET IS BEING SPENT ON THE CAR SHOW, WHICH EQUATES TO 35% OF THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ENHANCEMENT MONEY, OR 13% OF THE OVERALL BUDGET, ARE WE GETTING THE RETURN ON INVESTMENT? IS THE DOWNTOWN GETTING THE RETURN ON INVESTMENT? IS THE CITY OF EL CAJON GETTING THE RETURN ON INVESTMENT? IT'S HARD TO SAY.
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SALES TAX DATA AND THERE'S SOME DATA IN THE STAFF REPORT THAT IDENTIFIED SALES TAX BETWEEN THE SUMMER MONTHS AND THE WINTER MONTHS AND THERE'S ABOUT A 1% DIFFERENCE.SO THERE'S NOT A NOTICEABLE DIFFERENCE.
SINCE THE STAFF REPORT WAS PUBLISHED, I WAS ABLE TO GET SOME ADDITIONAL DATA FROM OUR SALES TAX CONSULTANT AND, AND DRILL DOWN AND LOOKED AT SPECIFICALLY RESTAURANTS.
'CAUSE THAT'S WHERE WE TYPICALLY SEE THE MOST ACTIVITY DURING THE CAR SHOW.
AND THERE IS A BUMP, THERE IS A, THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT BUMP, 14 TO 15% BUMP OF RESTAURANT SALES TAX GENERATION IN THE DOWNTOWN DURING THE SUMMER MONTHS.
SOME OF THAT COULD BE CAR SHOW, SOME OF THAT COULD BE CONCERTS, SOME OF THAT COULD BE, UM, MAGNOLIA ACTIVITY.
WE DO KNOW THAT STATEWIDE, WE, WE AGAIN TALK TO OUR SALES TAX CONSULTANT STATEWIDE.
UH, THEY SEE A MINIMUM OF A 5% BUMP IN SALES TAX TO, FOR RESTAURANTS DURING SUMMER MONTHS UP TO 10%.
SO SOME OF THAT COULD JUST BE NATURALLY, PEOPLE ARE OUT AND ABOUT DURING THE SUMMER MONTHS AND THEY DO MORE OUTDOOR DINING DURING SUMMER.
UM, SO WE THINK THAT THERE COULD BE AN IMPACT ON THE OVERALL RESTAURANT BUSINESS IN THE DOWNTOWN, BUT IT'S HARD TO SAY ECONOMICALLY THAT SALES TAX DOES BETTER DURING THOSE MONTHS.
AND GRANTED IT'S ONLY A COUPLE HOURS ON ONE DAY A WEEK, IT PROBABLY IS NOT GONNA HAVE A HUGE NEEDLE.
SO WE'RE NOT SAYING THAT SHOULD BE THE ONLY BAROMETER, BUT JUST TALKING TO BUSINESSES ANECDOTALLY, WE'RE NOT SEEING THE BIG BENEFIT EXCEPT TO SOME OF THE RESTAURANTS.
UM, SO I THINK WE'RE AT A POINT RIGHT NOW WHERE WE'RE GOING.
HAS THE CAR SHOW, UM, LIVED OUT ITS USEFULNESS? UM, IS THERE A BETTER WAY TO MANAGE THE CAR SHOW IN A WAY THAT WOULD MITIGATE THE IMPACT IT HAS ON THE BUSINESSES THAT ARE INVESTING MONEY IN EL CAJON? OR IS THERE A BETTER WAY TO USE 70 TO $80,000 TO INVEST IN THE DOWNTOWN THAT WOULD HAVE A BETTER ROI? SO WE'RE LOOKING FOR SOME WE'RE NOT LOOKING FOR FROM THE COUNCIL.
THE CAR SHOW SHOULD END IMMEDIATELY.
THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR, BUT WE'RE LOOKING FOR SOME DIRECTION OF WHETHER WE SHOULD BE EXPLORING SOME OTHER OPTIONS TO BRING FORWARD TO THE COUNCIL.
WE WOULDN'T WANNA SPEND TIME ON THAT IF THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT THE COUNCIL WASN'T INTERESTED IN.
SO THAT'S SORT OF THE BIG NUMBER ONE QUESTION.
THE SECOND HAS TO DO WITH THE RENEWAL OF THE PVID.
I THINK STAFF HAS A FEAR AND, AND THE STAFF THAT WORKS WITH THE DOWNTOWN BUSINESS PARTNERSHIP AND WORKS WITH A LOT OF THE DOWNTOWN BUSINESSES, I THINK WE HAVE A FEAR THAT IF WE WERE TO GO OUT AND VOTE TO RENEW THE P BID TODAY, I, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE WOULD BE ENOUGH VOTES TO RENEW THE THE P BID.
UM, WE KNOW THAT 2025 IS THE YEAR THAT IT DOES NEED TO BE RENEWED.
WE KNOW THAT IT TAKES ABOUT SIX MONTHS TO DO THAT PROCESS.
SO STARTING THIS NEXT JUNE OR JULY, WE NEED TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS IN EARNEST IF WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE THE, THE DOWNTOWN, UM, ASSESSMENT.
SO I, I THINK WE'RE LOOKING FOR SOME AGAINST, FOR SOME GUIDANCE AND SOME DIRECTION OF WHETHER WE WANT TO ENGAGE WITH A CONSULTANT SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DID BEFORE.
AND LOOK AT DOES IT MAKE SENSE TO CHANGE THE STRUCTURE OF THE P BID? DO WE WANNA CREATE MORE OF A BUSINESS IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT THAT WOULD INCLUDE TENANTS AS WELL? DO WE WANT TO LOOK AT EXPANDING THE, THE BOUNDARIES? DO WE WANNA LOOK AT CON CONTRACTING THE BOUNDARIES OR LOOKING AT EL CAJON BOULEVARD MORE THAN MAIN STREET AS A BOUNDARY, A NATURAL BOUNDARY.
UM, DO WE WANNA LOOK AT HOW TO INCORPORATE SOME OF THE NEW HOUSING DEVELOPMENT THAT'S BEING BUILT OR HAS BEEN BUILT OR WILL BE BUILT INTO THE FORMULA, WHICH ISN'T CURRENTLY IN THERE RIGHT NOW? UM, DO WE WANNA LOOK AT DOING SOME INFORMAL SURVEYING? I WOULDN'T RECOMMEND HIRING A FIRM, BUT WE COULD DO SOME OF OUR OWN SURVEYING OF BOTH BUSINESS OWNERS AND PROPERTY OWNERS TO GET A SENSE OF WHERE THEY'RE AT.
UM, AND DO WE WANT TO THINK ABOUT CHANGING THE MANAGEMENT STRUCTURE OF HOW WE MANAGE THE P BID? SO THOSE ARE SOME BIG QUESTIONS.
STAFF CAN DIALOGUE MORE WITH THE CITY COUNCIL IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ON WHAT SOME OF THOSE THINGS MEAN OR SOME OF OUR THOUGHTS.
AND I INVITE, UH, OUR ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER TO WEIGH IN TOO IF ON SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS.
BUT WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING JUST FOR SOME GUIDANCE AND SOME DIRECTION OF, OF HOW YOU WANNA MOVE FORWARD OR DO WE WANNA STAY STATUS QUO? UM, WHICH IF, IF COUNCIL WANTS TO DO THAT, WE'RE, WE'RE COMPLETELY FINE WITH THAT AS WELL, BUT WE'D HATE TO WASTE TIME OR SPEND TIME ON SOMETHING THAT, UM, IS SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL DOESN'T WANNA FOCUS ON.
SO WITH THAT, STAFF'S HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE ABOUT THE ANNUAL REPORT, ABOUT THE UPDATE OR ABOUT FUTURE DIRECTION OF THE PBIT.
MY COMMENTS ARE PROBABLY NOT GONNA BE WELL RECEIVED, BUT, UM, I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE SAID.
UM, I'VE TALKED TO PEOPLE, I'VE TALKED TO RESIDENTS.
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THE CAR SHOW IS GREAT WHEN WE DO SEE PEOPLE THAT DO COME DOWN, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO REALLY LOOK AT MAYBE TALKING TO PARKWAY PLAZA AND MOVING THE CAR SHOW OUT OF DOWNTOWN AND LET'S LOOK AT PARKWAY PLAZA AND MAYBE MOVING THE CAR SHOW TO MAYBE ONE OF THE BACK PARKING LOTS OF PARKWAY PLAZA SO THAT YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE UM, FAST FOOD PLACES INSIDE THE MALL.YOU HAVE PLACES THAT WHEN THEY GET TIRED OF, UH, WALKING AROUND LOOKING AT CARS, THEY CAN TAKE THEIR KIDS IN AND THEY'VE GOT THE PLAYGROUND INSIDE, AND THEN THEY CAN GO BACK OUT AND LOOK AT CARS AGAIN.
OR MAYBE DAD CAN LOOK AT THE CARS AND MOM CAN TAKE THE KIDS IN TO RIDE WHATEVER'S INSIDE, UH, THE MALL.
THAT KIND OF CREATES TWO PURPOSES.
ONE, YOU'VE GOT THE CAR SHOW, SO THAT TAKES CARE OF DAD AND THE TEENAGE SONS AND WHOEVER ELSE WANTS TO, I MEAN, I KNOW THAT'S BEING SORT OF SEXIST, BUT IT SORT OF TAKES CARE OF THAT NEED.
AND THEN MOM AND THE LITTLE ONES CAN GO INSIDE AND DO SHOPPING OR DO WHATEVER THEY GOTTA DO INSIDE THE MALL, AND THEN EVERYBODY CAN HAVE DINNER OR WHATEVER LATER ON.
SO THAT KIND OF MOVES IT OUT OF DOWNTOWN BECAUSE WE'VE ALREADY HAD AT LEAST ONE BUSINESS THAT I KNOW OF THAT IS LEFT DOWNTOWN, AND THAT'S GUITARS, UH, EL CAJ, ALCOHOL GUITARS AND MUSIC.
AND I KNOW THAT THEY, THEY HAD INDICATED TO ME THAT THEY WERE LOSING BUSINESS BECAUSE OF THE CAR SHOW.
SO THAT WOULD BE AN IDEA, IS TO MOVE THAT CAR SHOW OUT OF DOWNTOWN.
AND, AND IT CREATES THE, THE PEOPLE THAT WERE WALKING AROUND DOWNTOWN THAT I HAVE SEEN, WERE NOT GOING INSIDE THE STORES.
THE STORES WERE CLOSED AFTER A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME, SO THEY'RE NOT GOING IN AND SHOPPING IN THE STORES ALONG MAIN STREET.
SO LET'S TRY AND LOOK AT MOVING THE CAR SHOW OUT OF DOWNTOWN INTO PARKWAY, THAT KIND OF REINVIGORATES PARKWAY A LITTLE BIT.
AND, UH, AND SEE IF THAT HELPS.
THE OTHER THING IS, UH, P BED, LET'S EXPAND THE BOUNDARIES.
LET'S EXPAND THE BOUNDARIES A LITTLE BIT.
I TALKED TO A LOT OF PEOPLE NOW, LAST COUNCIL SESSION THAT WE HAD, UM, I SAID, LET'S STEP INTO 2024 AND LET'S GET MORE RESTAURANTS.
LET'S GET MORE ENTERTAINMENT IN HERE.
AND IT WAS AN OFFHAND COMMENT AND SOMEBODY DECIDED TO RUN WITH THAT.
AND I'VE BEEN DOING INTERVIEWS AND, AND IT WASN'T MY GOAL TO DO THAT, BUT I'VE TALKED TO A LOT OF RESIDENTS AND IT'S HAD A LOT OF TRACTION.
PEOPLE ARE ALREADY SPENDING THEIR ENTERTAINMENT DOLLARS OUTSIDE OF EL CAJON.
SO IF WE BRING IN MORE ENTERTAINMENT IN SOME FORM OR FASHION INTO EL CAJON, THEY'RE GONNA SPEND THEIR ENTERTAINMENT DOLLARS HERE IN EL CAJON.
IF NOT, THEY'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO TAKE THAT MONEY OUTSIDE OF THE CITY.
SO IF WE SPEND OUR TIME AND ENERGY INTO BRINGING SOMETHING IN TO EL CAJON, THEN WE'RE GONNA HAVE IT.
THEY'LL SPEND THEIR DOLLARS HERE, BUT INSTEAD THEY'RE GOING TO CHULA VISTA, THEY'RE GOING TO SAN DIEGO, THEY'RE GOING TO THE BEACHES OR TO WHATEVER.
UM, AND SO IF WE EXPAND THE BOUNDARIES, LIKE THE CITY MANAGER SAID, UH, MAYBE INCLUDING EL CAJON BOULEVARD, WE CAN DO THIS.
THE OLD ADAGE, IF YOU BUILD IT, THEY WILL COME.
AND I KNOW THAT NEW CITY AMERICA HAD ALL OF THESE IDEAS WE HAVE TO TRY.
MAYBE WE'VE TRIED THEM IN THE PAST AND THEY DIDN'T WORK, BUT THAT WAS HOW LONG AGO.
SO LET'S TAKE A LEAP OF FAITH AND LET'S TRY IT AGAIN, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GONNA BE HERE.
NOT ALL OF US ARE GONNA BE HERE ON THE COUNCIL.
AND THIS IS GONNA BE ANOTHER OPTION TO BRING IN NEW REVENUE AND NEW LIFE TO EL CAJON BECAUSE AS I'VE SAID BEFORE, THERE ARE NOT OPTIONS AT NIGHT.
THERE REALLY IS NOTHING TO DO.
AND SOME OF US ARE HAPPY TO STAY AT HOME AND WATCH TV OR READ A BOOK AND BE VERY QUIET.
AND THERE'S A WHOLE LOT OF PEOPLE OUT THERE, AND I TALK TO A WHOLE LOT OF PEOPLE THAT WANT TO GO OUT AND JUST BE ENTERTAINED.
AND WE HAVE SO MUCH POTENTIAL OUT THERE, AND THERE'S SO MUCH MONEY TO BE SPENT ON ENTERTAINMENT, AND WE CAN DO THAT HERE IN EL CAJON.
SO THAT'S KIND OF MY IDEA, IS TO JUST, LET'S LOOK AT THE, LET'S REEVALUATE RE-LOOK AT THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM NEW CITY AMERICA, AND LET'S EXPAND OUR BOUNDARIES AND LET'S MOVE THE CAR SHOW TO PARKWAY PLAZA.
LET'S WORK WITH PARKWAY PLAZA AND SEE IF THEY WILL DO
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IT.IT'S, IT'S GONNA BRING SOME BUSINESS TO THEM AS WELL.
IF I COULD COMMENT ON ONE THING ON THAT, THE ONE CHALLENGE IS THAT WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO USE P BID ASSESSMENT MONEY TO DO THE CAR SHOW AT PARKWAY.
SO THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE A FUNDING SOURCE FOR THAT AT SOME POINT, WHETHER IT BE THROUGH US OR ANOTHER ORGANIZATION.
SO, BUT MAYBE PARKWAY PLAZA WOULD WANT TO CHIP IN A LITTLE BIT ON THAT AS WELL, YOU KNOW? YEAH.
SO IT'S GONNA BE ON THEIR PROPERTY AND THEIR REVENUE COMING IN AND, AND THERE WOULD THEORETICALLY BE LESS COST ASSOCIATED WITH A CAR SHOW AT THE MALL PROPERTY BECAUSE THERE'S LE THERE'S LESS STREET CLOSURES AND LESS OTHER PARKING ISSUES THAT ARE GOING ON.
STEVE, DID YOU WANNA GO? YEAH.
THE BIG PURPOSE OF THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION IS TO INCREASE THE VALUE OF THE PROPERTY, OF THE HOMES IN THE ASSOCIATION.
THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE COMMON AREA MAINTENANCE.
THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE SECURITY, BECAUSE ALL OF THE ACTIVITIES OF THE ASSOCIATION INCREASE THE VALUE OF THE MEMBERS' PROPERTIES.
IN THE SAME WAY, WE REALLY SHOULD MAKE SURE THAT THIS P BIT IS FULFILLING ITS PURPOSE, THAT IT'S INCREASING THE VALUE OF THE PROPERTIES DOWNTOWN.
AND BY EXTENSION, THE VALUE OF THE BUSINESSES THAT OPERATE.
WHEN THE STAFF REPORT SAYS, SEVERAL BUSINESS OWNERS HAVE ALSO SAID IT DOES NOT BRING IN BUSINESS, BUT RATHER STIFLE SALES.
THAT'S THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF WHY YOU PAY DUES TO AN ORGANIZATION.
SO WE SHOULD LOOK AT DOES THIS EVEN PROVIDE VALUE IN INCREASING VALUE OF THE PROPERTY? UH, SECOND, I, I DO LIKE THE IDEA OF GOING TO PARKWAY PLAZA.
I THINK THAT'S, THEY'VE GOT A LOT OF SPACE AND THAT THAT COULD BE A LOT OF BUZZ ALONG FLETCHER PARKWAY.
UH, THE, THE BOUNDARIES, AGAIN, I'D SAY, WELL, IF YOU'RE GONNA EXPAND THE BOUNDARIES, WHY OR WHO, BECAUSE IT'S GOTTA MAKE SENSE.
YOU CAN'T JUST ADD MORE STREETS TO A HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION BECAUSE YOU WANT TO, YOU HAVE TO SHOW THAT THOSE STREETS ARE GONNA BENEFIT FROM THIS.
I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF MEMBERS OF THE P BID WHO JUST OVER THE YEARS HAVE BEGRUDGINGLY PAID THEIR DUES AND THEY KNOW THEY GET NOTHING OUT OF THIS.
THEY'RE DOWN ON CLADE, THEY'RE DOWN ON DOUGLAS OR LEXINGTON OR, AND WELL, IT'S JUST SOMETHING I HAVE TO DO.
AND I, THAT'S NOT A GOOD WAY FOR US TO RUN GOVERNMENT.
WHEN WE ADD HOUSING, THEY SHOULD BE PART OF IT.
'CAUSE THEY WILL BENEFIT FROM MORE ACTIVITY DOWNTOWN.
SO THE GEOGRAPHICAL BOUNDARIES, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S UP TO YOU.
BUT HOUSING, THEY WILL BENEFIT.
UH, WE DO HAVE TO ASK OURSELVES, IS THERE A BETTER WAY TO BRING PEOPLE DOWNTOWN THAN A CAR SHOW? IS IT A FARMER'S MARKET? IS IT A, SOME KIND OF THEME NIGHT OF DIFFERENT EVENTS? UH, I THINK THE CAR SHOW HAS A SMALLER APPEAL, FOR INSTANCE, SAY, THAN A FARMER'S MARKET.
'CAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO THINK ABOUT.
A FARMER'S MARKET WOULD APPEAL TO A GREATER GROUP OF THE POPULATION THAN A CAR SHOW.
UM, SO YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER THAT.
I THINK YOUR, YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS ARE RIGHT.
I ENGAGE WITH A CONSULTANT FOR A NEW ASSESSMENT MODEL.
YOU SHOULD LOOK AT THE MANAGEMENT STRUCTURE TO LOOK AT THE VALUE.
ALL OF THIS IS, ARE WE INCREASING THE VALUE OF THE PARTICIPANTS IN THE ASSOCIATION? UH, I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FOR KATHY ZEMAN.
WOULD THIS BE THE APPROPRIATE TIME TO ASK HER, ASK HER TO COME UP? WOULD WOULD HAVE HER COME UP DURING, UM, PUBLIC COMMENT? PUBLIC COMMENTS.
AND, UH, I THINK THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS TO GET THE DATA FROM THE BUSINESS OWNERS AND FROM THE PROPERTY OWNERS SAYING, DOES THIS BENEFIT ME? I KNOW IT BENEFITS THE RESTAURANTS 'CAUSE THEY'RE USUALLY PACKED DOWN THERE.
SO, AND DOES IT BRING PEOPLE INTO EL CAJON THAT NORMALLY WOULDN'T COME INTO EL HOME? I SAY, HEY, I JUST WENT TO THIS RESTAURANT AT THE CAR SHOW.
LET, LET'S, LET'S GO OUT THERE.
'CAUSE A BUNCH OF RESTAURANTS THERE NOW AND HOPEFULLY MORE WILL COME IN.
SEVERAL MONTHS AGO WE DID DO A SURVEY.
WE WENT AND TALKED TO ALL THE BUSINESSES ON MAIN STREET, PROBABLY FROM GOLDEN CORRAL ALL THE WAY TO CLAY DELL TO GET THEIR SENSE.
AND WE ACTUALLY HAD THEM SAY, ARE YOU FOR OR AGAINST AND ON TO WHAT DEGREE? RIGHT? MM-HMM.
DO YOU DISLIKE IT A LITTLE BIT OR DO YOU HATE IT? OR DO YOU LIKE IT? IT'S OKAY, I CAN LIVE WITH IT.
RIGHT? AND SO IT ALL OVER THE PLACE, RIGHT? THE WHOLE, THAT WHOLE SPECTRUM.
BUT IF YOU WERE TO AVERAGE THE SCORE, THE AVERAGE SCORE WAS
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A LITTLE BIT IN DISFAVOR OF THE CAR SHOW.AND A LOT OF THE BUSINESS THAT WE TALKED TO SAID WE JUST SHUT DOWN.
LIKE ANY OF THE SALONS, THE BARBERSHOPS, THE CLOTHING STORES, THEY PRETTY MUCH JUST CLOSE SHOP OF THOSE DAYS.
ALRIGHT, BEFORE WE GO TO COMMENT, PUBLIC COMMENT, I JUST WANTED TO GIVE, GIVE MY, UH, 2 CENTS.
UM, I, I'M UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THE IDEA OF, UH, COMPLETELY ELIMINATING THE CAR SHOW.
IT'S, IT'S A STAPLE OF EL CAJON AND, YOU KNOW, WE ALL KNOW HOW ANGRY PEOPLE ARE ABOUT THE LOSS OF THE MOTHER GOOSE PARADE.
AND I LOOK BACK ON WHEN WE CLOSED THE, UM, EAST COUNTY PERFORMING ARTS CENTER, UH, WE, WE HAD TO CLOSE IT BECAUSE WE WERE LOSING SO MUCH MONEY ON IT, BUT PEOPLE WERE SO UPSET ABOUT IT.
AND PROBABLY MANY YEARS AFTER, WE SHOULD HAVE SHUTTERED THE THING AND MAYBE TORN IT DOWN.
WE WERE STILL LOOKING AT SOLUTIONS BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE WANTED.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT COST MONEY AND PROVIDING THOSE KIND OF SERVICES SOMETIMES DON'T MAKE A LOT OF PRACTICAL SENSE, BUT THEY, BUT THEY MAKE SENSE FROM A SPIRITUAL OR A CULTURAL PERSPECTIVE.
SO, LOOKING BACK ON ON IT NOW, I'M SO GLAD THAT WE DIDN'T CLOSE THE MAGNOLIA FOREVER BECAUSE WE ENDED UP GETTING LIVE NATION TO COME IN AND IT'S REALLY HELPED OUT A LOT.
I DON'T KNOW WHY IT HAS TO BE E EITHER OR.
I, I, I DON'T KNOW WHY WE CAN'T ADJUST AND FIND A WAY TO STILL GIVE PEOPLE THE CAR SHOW THAT THEY WANT AND STILL MAKE IT, UH, SOMETHING THAT'S MORE VALUABLE IN, IN THIS DAY AND AGE.
SO MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE THAT WE HAVE, UM, WE HAVE SOME WORKSHOPS ON THE PROCESS AND I ALSO WANNA REC RECOMMEND THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO RUSH INTO ANYTHING BECAUSE LIKE YOU SAID, UM, THIS IS GONNA BE COMING UP FOR A VOTE AGAIN WITHIN A YEAR.
AND, YOU KNOW, THE VOTE MAY ANSWER THE QUESTION RIGHT THERE.
IF, IF THE, IF THE PEOPLE THAT WANNA BE PART OF THE, UH, ASSESSMENT DISTRICT DON'T WANT THIS ANYMORE, THEN THAT MAKES UP OUR MIND FOR IT.
SO I, I JUST, I GUESS I JUST RECOMMEND CAUTION ABOUT JUMPING TOO QUICKLY AND, UM, HAVE A WELL THOUGHT OUT PLAN.
AND WITH THAT, I'LL, UM, OPEN IT UP TO SPEAKER CARDS.
WE HAVE NO SPEAKER CARDS, SIR.
OH, KATHY, I'D LIKE YOU TO COME UP AND, AND GIVE, GIMME YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS.
AND I THINK GARY HAS SOME QUESTIONS FOR YOU.
THANK YOU FOR HAVING US HERE TODAY.
SO, UM, CAN YOU PULL THE MICROPHONE DOWN, KATHY? YEAH.
THERE YOU IS THAT BETTER? YEAH, BETTER.
SO, UM, YEAH, WE'VE, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT SOME EXPANSION.
ONE THING THAT I WOULD WANNA MAKE SURE OF IF WE DECIDE TO DO SOME KIND OF AN EXPANSION IS THAT, TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT LEGALLY WE CAN DO IT KIND OF AS A SEPARATE THING SO WE CAN REDO THE P BID THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW.
AND IT'S KIND OF A SEPARATE THING AS TO WHETHER SAY EL CAJON BOULEVARD WANTED TO JOIN IN THE P BID, SO THEY WOULD HAVE LIKE A SEPARATE VOTE BECAUSE IF THERE'S ENOUGH PEOPLE ON EL CAJON BOULEVARD THAT VOTE NO, UM, BECAUSE SOME OF THOSE ARE ARE PRETTY BIG PIECES OF PROPERTY.
WE DON'T WANNA DUMP THE BABY OUT WITH THE BATH WATER.
WE DON'T WANNA JUST GET RID OF THE WHOLE P BID BECAUSE OF PEOPLE ON EL CAJON BOULEVARD DON'T WANNA BE IN NEXT.
AND THEN WE WANT TO DECIDE DO WE WANT TO GO A PARTIAL THING, LIKE TO, TO TO, UM, JOHNSON AND THE CIRCLE OR TO WASHINGTON ALL THE WAY TO BOULEVARD.
YOU KNOW, WE'D HAVE TO KIND OF DISCUSS WHAT KIND OF, UH, EXPANSION THAT WE WOULD WE WANNA TAKE ON.
IT MIGHT BE BETTER TO BITE OFF A LITTLE BIT AT A TIME IN ORDER TO GET IT APPROVED.
UM, SO, UH, THERE WAS SOME COMMENTS ABOUT SOME OF THE PEOPLE NOT PROVIDING, GETTING, UH, SERVICES AND, AND GETTING HELP FROM THE PVID.
AND UM, SO THEY DO GET HELP IN THAT.
EVERY DAY OUR SECURITY OR OUR CLEAN AND SAFE TEAM GOES AROUND TO ALL THE ALLEYS IN OUR DISTRICT, ALL THE, ALL THE STREETS IN OUR DISTRICT.
THEY ARE ALMOST EVERY DAY GETTING MATTRESSES, DESKS, FURNITURE, YOU KNOW, THINGS THAT THEY DO PICK UP AND, AND TAKE AWAY AND HAUL TO THIS THE CITY LOT.
AND THEN ALSO, UM, AT NIGHT, UH, OUR SECURITY PATROL DOES VISIT ALL OF THE, UM, ALL OF THE, UH, PARCELS THAT ARE IN OUR, OUR DISTRICT AND DO THEIR BEST TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S NO HOMELESS ENCAMPMENTS AND TRY TO GET PEOPLE TO MOVE ON.
IT'S NOT ALWAYS POSSIBLE, BUT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE THERE TRYING TO DO THAT.
UM, AS FAR AS CHANGING THE STRUCTURE
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OF THE P BID, WE KIND OF TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE, UH, WHEN MR. LARI PRESENTED HIS NEW AMERICA FINDINGS AND WE'RE KIND, WE'RE ACTUALLY, THE BOARD IS AGAINST CHANGING FROM A P BID TO A BUSINESS IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT OR SOMETHING JUST BECAUSE IT TAKES AWAY THE POWER OF THE LITTLE GUY IN THE DISTRICT.ALL THE PEOPLE THAT OWN THE SMALLER PROPERTIES, WHICH ARE THE MAJORITY OF THE PROPERTY.
BECAUSE IN A BUSINESS IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT, IT ONLY TAKES 30% OF THE VOTE TO AGREE TO HAVE, UM, THE, UH, THE, THE, THE VOTE TO HA CONTINUE THE PBIT AND TO CERTIFY THE PBIT.
AND IF YOU TAKE ALL OF THE DIRECT PAYERS, WHICH ARE THE CITY OF EL CAJON, COUNTY OF SAN DIEGO, MTS SDG E IN THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA, I THINK THAT'S 28% RIGHT THERE.
SO, SO ALL THE LITTLE GUYS WOULD HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO VOTE.
AND I REMEMBER AT THAT MEETING, UH, MR. WELLS, UM, A LIKING THAT TO SANDECK AND HOW THE CITIES BASICALLY HAVE NO, SAY IF CHULA VISTA IN SAN DIEGO AGREE TO, UH, TO DO SOMETHING.
SO, SO I DON'T THINK WE'RE REALLY IN FAVOR OF CHANGING THE STRUCTURE BECAUSE WE THINK IT GIVES, IT, IT EQUALIZES THE POWER THAT THE, THAT THAT DIFFERENT PEOPLE HAVE.
UM, AND UM, GRAHAM ALREADY ADDRESSED THE SITUATION WITH MOVING IT, THE CAR SHOW TO PARKWAY PLAZA WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO FUND THAT, BUT I THINK IT'S A, IT'S A GREAT IDEA.
UM, THE, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE SO MANY PEOPLE ON MAIN STREET WALKING AROUND DURING THE CAR SHOW, AND MAYBE IT'S ON US TO EDUCATE THE DIFFERENT SHOP OWNERS AS TO HOW THAT COULD BENEFIT THEM AS TO HOW THEY COULD GRAB THESE PEOPLE.
AND, AND MAYBE IT'S, YOU KNOW, UH, TALKING TO EACH OF THEM INDIVIDUALLY OR, OR WRITING THEM, YOU KNOW, LETTERS, GIVING THEM IDEAS OF WHAT THEY CAN DO TO PULL PEOPLE INTO THEIR SHOPS.
ESPECIALLY, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THE SALONS AND BARBERSHOPS WOULD HAVE SUCH AN EV EASY TIME, 10, 25% OFF ON YOUR, ON YOUR FIRST HAIRCUT AND GET THEM IN THERE AND, UH, MAYBE GET A, A CLIENT FOR LIFE, YOU KNOW, SO, SO I THINK THERE ARE THINGS THAT COULD BE DONE IF THE, IF, YOU KNOW, IF WE DECIDE TO KEEP THE, UH, CAR SHOW ON MAIN STREET, I THINK THAT, THAT THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT WE COULD DO TO HELP EDUCATE, UH, SOME OF THE SHOP OWNERS.
UM, AND, UM, WE ARE TOTALLY FOR ADDING MORE RESTAURANTS.
UH, GABE WHO OWNS DOWNTOWN, UH, CAFE AND POR VORE, UH, IS GONNA KIND OF BE THE HEAD OF THAT COMMITTEE TO, UM, YOU KNOW, REACH OUT AND TRY TO GET MORE RESTAURANTS AND EVERYTHING IN.
AND, UM, HAVING THAT LITTLE BUMP IN THE SUMMERTIME, UH, I THINK WOULD HELP ATTRACT MORE, MORE RESTAURANTS AND EVERYTHING.
UM, ONE THING THAT WE COULD DO WITH THE CAR SHOW IS, YOU KNOW, WE USUALLY START THE SECOND OR THIRD WEEK OF APRIL.
UM, MAYBE THAT'S, MAYBE THAT'S A LITTLE BIT TOO SOON.
UH, YOU KNOW, WE COULD, WE COULD CUT BACK THE WEEKS.
UM, THE MIDDLE OF THE SUMMER IS SUPER, SUPER HOT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE, WE, UH, ELIMINATE A FEW WEEKS DURING THE SUMMER OR SOMETHING.
WE DO GO ALL THE WAY THROUGH OCTOBER AND, UH, BECAUSE THE LAST WEDNESDAY OF OCTOBER IS OUR BIG EVENT, THE TRUNK RETREAT, WHICH IS SUPER, SUPER POPULAR.
I THINK WE NEED THAT CONSISTENCY OF HAVING THE CAR SHOWS IN OCTOBER IF WE KEEP THEM ON, ON MAIN STREET, JUST BECAUSE IT, IT JUST KIND OF GEARS EVERYBODY UP FOR THAT.
BUT I, I THINK THAT'S ABOUT IT.
YOU HAVE QUESTIONS? UH, KATHY, UH, HOW MANY PEOPLE DO YOU THINK THE CAR SHOW BRINGS DOWN TO DOWNTOWN? THERE'S, THERE'S A FEW THOUSAND PEOPLE EVERY, EVERY WEEK.
SO THE PEOPLE ARE THERE, IT'S JUST A MATTER OF GETTING THEM INTO THE STORES AND LIKE I SAID, EDUCATING THE, THE STORE OWNERS AS TO HOW THAT COULD, HOW THEY CAN ACCESS THOSE, THOSE POTENTIAL CLIENTS.
UH, KATHY, WHAT WAS YOUR PREDECESSOR'S BUDGET COMPARED TO YOUR BUDGET? THEY HAD ONE AND A HALF MILLION DOLLAR BUDGET AND, UH, THEY WERE CONSTANTLY COMING TO THE COUNCIL AND REQUESTING ADDITIONAL FUNDS.
UH, WHEN THEY CLOSED DOWN, THEY OWED THE CITY, I DON'T KNOW, A COUPLE HUNDRED
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THOUSAND DOLLARS THAT WAS NEVER PAID BACK, OBVIOUSLY.AND, UH, MR. MR. GOBEL, I THINK YOU SAID SOMETHING ABOUT, UH, THE DIFFERENCE IN THE, UH, AS THE ASSESSMENT, I'M NOT SURE IT'S A DIFFERENCE IN ASSESSMENT, BUT WE GET, UM, UH, SPONSORSHIPS AND THINGS LIKE THAT AND THAT ADDS TO OUR, OUR ANNUAL BUDGET.
AND KATHY, THANK YOU FOR, FOR WORKING SO MANY HOURS.
YOU KNOW, I, I KNOW THAT YOU'RE REALLY DEDICATED TO MAKING DOWNTOWN BETTER AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT.
STAFF HAD COMMENT WE'RE STAFF IS NOT OPPOSED TO THE CAR SHOW IN AND OF ITSELF.
I THINK OUR CONCERN IS THE WAY IN WHICH THE CAR SHOW IS MANAGED.
UM, HAVING BEEN TO MANY DIFFERENT CAR SHOWS, I THINK MR. MS ZEMAN IS EXACTLY RIGHT.
THERE'S NO INTERACTION BETWEEN THE MANAGEMENT OF THE CAR SHOW AND THE BUSINESSES.
THERE'S NO CONNECTION, UH, THERE'S NO MANAGEMENT OF THE PARTICIPANTS THERE.
UH, THERE'S A LARGE CAR SHOW IN ESCONDIDO, I DROVE DOWN THE STREET OF ESCONDIDO.
THEY HAVE AREAS MORE BLOCKED OFF SO PEOPLE CAN GET TO THE BUSINESSES.
IT'S, IT'S MANAGED, THE, THE CAR SHOW IN EL CAJON IS NOT MANAGED.
IT'S JUST SORT OF COME WHEN YOU WANNA COME AND DO WHAT YOU WANNA DO.
AND I THINK THAT IS THE PROBLEM, IS THE LACK OF MANAGEMENT.
SO I THINK, I THINK IT'S, IF THE COUNCIL WANTS TO CONSIDER CONTINUING THE CAR SHOW, I THINK, I THINK WE HAVE TO MANDATE THAT THEY DO A BETTER JOB MITIGATING THE CHALLENGES THAT WE KNOW EXIST AND MANAGING THOSE ISSUES.
UM, STAFF THINKS IT'S ALL ALSO AS WE SURVEY, WE PROBABLY SHOULD GET SOME MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THE VALUE OF THE CAR SHOW.
UM, BUT ANYWAY, I, I, I THINK, I THINK I'D LIKE JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT STAFF IS ON THE RECORD SAYING THAT OUR CONCERN IS THE WAY IT'S CURRENTLY OPERATED, NOT NECESSARILY THE FACT THAT IT'S A CAR SHOW.
OH, UH, GRAHAM IS, I, I'D LIKE TO GO SEE THAT, UH, ESCONDIDO CAR SHOW SOMETIME.
ARE THEY STILL RUNNING IT? THEY JUST ENDED A COUPLE WEEKS AGO.
SO THEY, THEY ACTUALLY OPERATE A FEW, UH, A MONTH LESS ON EACH SIDE OF THE EL CAJON CAR SHOW.
SO THEY, THEY START A MONTH LATER AND THEY END A MONTH EARLIER.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER ONES IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA THAT THINK ARE REALLY WELL RUN? I, I'M THINKING OF THE ONES IN THE CENTRAL VALLEY, WHICH YOU PROBABLY DON'T WANT TO GO TO FRESNO ON, BUT NOT THAT I CAN THINK OF DOWN HERE RIGHT NOW.
WHAT'S OUR CAR SHOW SCHEDULE FOR THE REST OF THE YEAR? WE END, UH, IT'S COMING UP THE END OF THE OCTOBER IS OUR LAST CAR SHOW TILL WHEN, END OF OCTOBER.
SO WE START IN APRIL, GO TO OCTOBER.
OKAY, SO WE'LL START BACK UP AGAIN IN APRIL.
SO THEY HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION SOON ON WHO THEY'RE GOING TO HIRE TO MANAGE THE CAR SHOW.
THEY'VE USED THE SAME CONSULTANT FOR THE LAST, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY YEARS.
UM, AND WE'VE CONTINUED TO SEE A DECLINE IN THE, THE WAY IT'S BEEN MANAGED OVER THE YEARS.
ALRIGHT, WELL, UM, I I'D LIKE TO PROPOSE THIS, THAT, THAT WE SET UP A, A WORKSHOP AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
I, I I'LL STAFF, I KNOW WHAT YOU THINK THE TIMELINE FOR THAT WOULD BE.
'CAUSE I THINK WE HAVE TO HAVE, UH, MORE THAN, UH, THE DISCUSSION JUST ON THIS, ON THIS ONE ITEM.
I'D LIKE PHIL TO BE INVOLVED IN THAT AS WELL.
UM, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY OBJECTIONS TO HAVING A WORKSHOP ON THIS? WOULD THAT BE DONE FOR INSTANCE, AS PART OF THE NEW YEAR'S, UH, GOAL SETTING WORKSHOP? WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE COMING UP ON, IT COULD BE TWO, TWO MORE MEETINGS FOR THE REST OF THE YEAR.
WOULD IT BE A, WOULD THE GOAL SETTING WORKSHOP BE A GREAT PLACE FOR THAT WORKSHOP? IT MIGHT TAKE UP A BUNCH OF THE TIME.
UH, I, I WOULD ACTUALLY RECOMMEND COUNCIL DIRECT TO HAVE A SPECIFIC WORKSHOP ON THIS TOPIC WHERE YOU'D PROBABLY WANNA INVITE BUSINESS OWNERS, PROPERTY OWNERS, THE MANAGER OF THE CAR SHOW, CAR SHOW PARTICIPANTS.
I THINK IN, IN JANUARY PROBABLY MAKES THE MOST SENSE.
UNLESS YOU THINK THAT'S TOO LATE.
I I DON'T THINK YOU CAN DO IT BEFORE THEN, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.
JUST GIVEN WHERE WE'RE AT IN THE YEAR, CAN, COULD, COULD YOU, UH, PROVIDE US SOME OPTIONS ON DOING THAT? YES.
UM, ANY, I DON'T WANNA RAILROAD THIS.
ANY OTHER OBJECTIONS OR ANY OTHER CON IDEAS ABOUT HOW TO GET TO WHERE WE WANT GO? JUST A COMMENT THAT, GOSH, I, HOW MANY KATHY, HOW MANY YEARS HAVE WE RUN THAT CAR SHOW? UH, 30.
YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S A LOT OF INVESTMENT AND TIME AND KINDA LIKE REPUTATION THAT EL CAJON HAS A GREAT CAR SHOW.
SO I THINK MAYBE JUST NEEDS A LITTLE BIT OF TWEAKING.
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KNOW, GET RID OF THAT EVENT.'CAUSE I THINK IT REALLY HELPS THE RESTAURANTS AND I HAVE THE FEELING WITH WHERE THE COUNCIL'S GOING.
YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, WE WANT MORE RESTAURANTS IN DOWNTOWN AND THAT WAY THEY KNEW THAT ALL THROUGH THE SUMMER THEY'RE GONNA PRETTY MUCH PACK THE HOUSE AND THE HAVING MORE RESTAURANTS AND ENTERTAINMENT DOWN THERE, UH, UH, IT'S KIND OF HAS A SNOWBALL EFFECT.
IT'S BIGGER AND BIGGER AND PEOPLE, UH, YOU KNOW, WANNA GO DOWN THERE.
AND THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE I THINK THAT GO TO DOWNTOWN EL CAJON THAT WOULDN'T OTHERWISE GO THERE AND GO, WOW, THIS IS ACTUALLY A PRETTY GOOD PLACE.
IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT LOOKED 30 YEARS AGO 'CAUSE IT LOOKED PRETTY BAD 30 YEARS AGO.
ALRIGHT, WELL, ANY OTHER THOUGHTS? YEAH, I THINK THE MANAGEMENT DOES NEED TO BE THE, UH, CONSULTANT NEEDS TO BE MORE INVOLVED.
I'VE, I'VE BEEN TO CAR SHOWS WHERE THEY, THEY'RE ON A PA SYSTEM AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE DOING RAFFLES.
THEY'RE DOING FEATURES ON DIFFERENT CARS.
IT'S MUCH MORE INTERACTIVE RATHER THAN PASSIVE.
JUST PUT YOUR CAR UP AND SEE YOU NEXT WEEK.
UM, I THINK WE SHOULD NOT RULE OUT A DIFFERENT LOCATION THAT IS CLOSE TO DOWNTOWN.
WE'VE GOT ALL SORTS OF BIG PARKING LOTS DOWN HERE.
I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE IDEAL, SUCH AS THE ONE IN FRONT OF THE PD SUCH AS THE, UH, COURTHOUSE PARKING MAY BE AVAILABLE AFTER COURT HOURS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THERE'S THE, THERE, THERE ARE OTHER LOCATIONS THAT MIGHT BE A GOOD FIT WITHOUT SHUTTING DOWN MAIN STREET, THE PROMENADE PARKING, PRESCOTT PROMENADE PERHAPS, OR THE PARKING LOT NEXT TO IT.
THERE'S, THERE'S, I THINK YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT THERE.
I THINK THERE'S A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS.
THE PROMENADE ACTUALLY PARK ON THE PROMENADE ABSOLUTELY.
UH, THAT WE DON'T SHUT DOWN MAIN STREET.
AND THE OPPORTUNITY AND ADVERTISING SOME OF THE CAR SHOWS ARE ADVERTISED ON A POSTER THAT'S IN A WINDOW OF A BUSINESS DOWNTOWN THAT'S CLOSED DURING THE CAR SHOW.
SO WE'RE MISSING THE, THE OPPORTUNITY BEYOND, UH, ADVERTISING TO THOSE DOWNTOWN.
I DON'T KNOW THAT THE AVERAGE CITIZEN EL CAJON KNOWS ABOUT THE CAR SHOWS AND WHAT THE THEMES ARE AND WHEN THEY ARE, AND ALL THOSE KIND OF THINGS.
SO THERE ARE A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES FOR, UH, STEP UP THE ENGAGEMENT OF ATTENDEES TO THE LOCATION TO HOW IT'S PROMOTED IN THE CITY.
BUT I AGREE IT, IT DOES HAVE VALUE TO THE, UH, CAPITAL OF EL CAJON.
SO, UM, NO, I I THINK IT'S GOOD.
I'M NOT SAYING TO CLOSE IT DOWN.
I, I DON'T WANT ANYONE TO THINK I'M SAYING, I'M NOT SAYING CLOSE THE CAR SHOW DOWN, I'M JUST SAYING RELOCATE IT.
AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, I I DON'T WANT THAT TO BE MISCONSTRUED.
LET'S GO ON A, WE NEED TO GET THIS GOING SO I WOULD NOT BE ADVERSE TO A WORKSHOP.
I THINK THAT'S YOUR DIRECTION.
[15. Mayor and City Council Cafeteria Benefits Review RECOMMENDATION: That the City Council adopts the next Resolution, in order, adjusting the cafeteria benefit allotment from $1,450 per month to $1,550 per month, effective January 2025, for Mayor and City Councilmembers.]
REPORT, ITEM 15 IS REGARDING CITY COUNCIL CAFETERIA BENEFITS AND OUR DIRECTOR OF HUMAN RESOURCES, MARISOL THORN WILL TELL US ABOUT THIS.WELL, MR. MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL, I'M HERE TO BRING FORTH THE RECOMMENDATION TO MAKE AN ADJUSTMENT TO THE CITY COUNCIL BENEFITS.
CURRENTLY, CITY COUNCIL MAYOR GET 1450 A MONTH TO APPLY FOR THEIR CAFETERIA BENEFITS.
WE ARE REQUESTING RECOMMENDING A HUNDRED DOLLARS A MONTH INCREASE TO ALIGN WITH OUR MUNICIPAL.
SO THAT WOULD BRING THE CITY COUNCIL BENEFITS, UM, CAFETERIA PLAN TO 1550 A MONTH.
I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
WELL, I JUST WANT TO REITERATE WHAT YOU JUST SAID.
THIS IS, UM, YOU'RE, YOU'RE DOING THIS TO STAY IN LINE WITH, WITH THE REST OF THE, THE CITY? YES, CORRECT.
SO THAT'S MEA, UM, THE MUNICIPAL EMPLOYEE ASSOCIATION AND THE MID-MANAGEMENT ASSOCIATION.
ANY COMMENTS ON THIS? NO SPEAKER, SIR.
ALRIGHT, THAT'S, UH, JUST SOUNDS LIKE A H HOUSEKEEPING ITEM.
UM, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE.
MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF THOSE PRESENT.
AND MAYOR, WE DID RECEIVE ANOTHER, UM, UH, SPEAKER CARD FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
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THAT NOW? SURE.JUST SOME GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT.
I LIVE ON THE FOUR OH BLOCK OF QUE MACCA STREET, UH, BETWEEN RUSSELL AND WAGNER.
AND ANYWAYS, MY PRIMARY REASON FOR COMING IN, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'VE BEEN TO A CITY COUNCIL MEETING AND IT'S BEEN JUST OUTTA SHARE FRUSTRATION FOR GETTING A STREETLIGHT REPAIRED ONE BLOCK OVER FROM ME ON THE, ON THE SOUTHEASTS CORNER OF MCA AND PETRI.
AND THANKS TO MS. ORANO AND MR. SHOOT, UH, THEY'RE LOOKING, THEY'RE GOING TO LOOK INTO THAT FOR ME.
BUT THE STREETLIGHT HAS BEEN, HAS BEEN OFF FOR THE PAST THREE, MAYBE FOUR MONTHS.
SO I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OTHER RESIDENTS MIGHT HAVE TURNED IT IN, BUT I WAS RATHER FRUSTRATED.
I MADE THREE PHONE CALLS TO CITY WORKS AND NOBODY PICKED UP THE PHONE AND WENT DIRECTLY TO VOICEMAIL.
YOU, AND THEN I MAY AND, AND I LEFT MY NAME AND MY NUMBER.
LEMME JUST ASK YOU A QUESTION.
HAVE YOU GONE TO THE MY EL CAJON APP? NO, SIR.
I, I KNOW IT'S, IT'S A, A NEW WAY OF, OF DOING THINGS, BUT WE, WE'VE GOT THIS APPLICATION FOR YOUR PHONE.
IT'S MY EL CAJON APP, AND I, AND ALL THE REVIEWS ON IT ARE, ARE GREAT.
THE PEOPLE TAKE A PICTURE OF SOME GRAFFITI, SEND IT IN, AND IT'S CLEANED UP BY THE NEXT DAY.
THEY, THEY POTHOLE FIXED BY WITHIN A COUPLE DAYS.
SO I'M, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'VE ALREADY GOT A TEAM ON THIS AND I, WELL, HOPEFULLY YES.
YOU KNOW, AND, AND ANOTHER THING, ANOTHER POINT OF FRUSTRATION.
I'VE LIVED IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD 26 YEARS AND RIGHT AROUND, RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER AT, ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF WAGNER AND CCA, WHERE THE SIDEWALK ENDS, THERE'S A THREE INCH, THREE AND A HALF INCH TRIP HAZARD.
AND IT'S BEEN THERE FOR AS LONG AS I'VE BEEN IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND ONE TIME, 10, 12 YEARS AGO, I WAS ABLE TO GET SOMEBODY TO COME OUT FROM THE CITY AND THEY AGREED, YES, THIS IS A TRIP HAZARD, BUT THAT'S ALL THAT'S EVER HAPPENED.
SO ANYWAY, THOSE ARE THE KIND OF THINGS WE WANNA KNOW ABOUT FOR SURE.
AND WHILE GOING BACK ON CCA BETWEEN WAGNER AND PETRE, IT'S A HOTSPOTS OF SIDEWALKS.
THE SIDEWALKS AREN'T CONTINUOUS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET.
I FIND THAT RATHER PERPLEXING.
I MEAN, I FOUND IT KIND OF LAUGHABLE TWO OR THREE YEARS AGO.
THEY PUT UP SIGNS ON THE BLOCK ENCOURAGING US TO WALK, ENCOURAGING US TO WALK OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.
BUT IF YOU MAKE A RIGHT TURN FROM CCA AND HAD THE EAST STAR WAGNER, THERE ISN'T SIDEWALKS ON EITHER SIDE OF THE STREET.
AND THEN IF YOU WALK NORTH ON CCA, IT'S A HODGEPODGE AND YOU DON'T WANNA WALK ON.
SO, I MEAN, WHEN I WALK, I NORMALLY WALK WITH MY DOG AND I DON'T FEEL COMPELLED TO WALK ACROSS SOMEBODY'S YARD BECAUSE THE SIDEWALK ENDED.
BUT THREE DOORS DOWN THE SIDEWALK STARTS BACK UP AGAIN.
THE SIDEWALKS AREN'T CONTINUOUS.
CHRIS, COULD, COULD YOU HELP GET HIM SIGNED UP ON THE APP? UM, LOOK BEHIND YOU, THIS, THIS YOUNG MAN THERE, CHRIS.
HE'LL, HE'LL HELP YOU WITH THAT.
UM, AND THEN, UH, GRAHAM, COULD YOU HAVE SOMEBODY TALK ABOUT THE SIDEWALK SITUATION, SIR? IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE THAT MIGHT BE COUNTY, BUT WELL, NO, IT, IT'S PROBABLY US.
AND AS YOU RECALL, CITIES DON'T BUILD SIDEWALKS TYPICALLY, UH, SIDEWALKS ARE CONSTRUCTED AT THE TIME OF DEVELOPMENT OF A HOUSE.
AND SO WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE IS OVER TIME, SIDEWALKS WERE BEING REQUIRED BY THE CITY, BY WHOEVER IS DEVELOPING THAT PROPERTY.
AND IF THAT PROPERTY IS AN OLDER PROPERTY, IT WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED.
UM, BUT THIS SOUNDS LIKE POTENTIALLY AN OPPORTUNITY FOR A SAFE ROUTES TO SCHOOL GRANT.
UH, OR IF WE CAN APPLY CDBG MONEY, THAT MAY BE AN AREA THAT WE COULD LOOK AT.
UH, BUT TYPICALLY, UH, CITIES DON'T DO THOSE BIG KIND OF SIDEWALK CONTINUOUS PROJECTS.
BUT, BUT THIS MIGHT BE A PERFECT MATCH FOR A GRANT OPPORTUNITY.
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ON THE LIP THAT HE MENTIONED OF THE SIDEWALK.AND ALSO WE'LL FOLLOW UP ON THE STREETLIGHT.
SO LER MR. CITY MAJOR, YOU HAVE MONEY TO SPEND ON PINCHING DOWN MAIN STREET BETWEEN MARSHALL AND JOHNSON.
YOU HAVE BIG HUGE MONEY TO SPEND ON ROUNDABOUTS, BUT PEOPLE CAN'T FINISH WHAT YOU STARTED IN REGARDS TO SIDEWALKS.
SIR, SIR, WITH WITH, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, HE WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT TRYING, TRYING TO GET, FIND FUNDING FOR THE SIDEWALK.
I MEAN, LET'S, LET'S GIVE, LET'S GIVE HIM A CHANCE TO, TO DO WHAT HE'S GONNA TRY TO DO.
AND THEN IF IT DOESN'T WORK OUT, THEN WE CAN TALK ABOUT OTHER, OTHER PROBLEMS. BUT LET'S, LET'S GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS.
IF YOU COULD GIVE YOUR INFORMATION TO OUR CITY CLERK, SHOW, UH, SOMEBODY FROM THE CITY WILL GET HOLD OF YOU AND COME OUT AND TAKE A LOOK AT THE SIDEWALK SITUATION.
IN THE MEANTIME, CHRIS WILL GET YOU HOOKED UP ON, ON THE APP.
AND SO WHEN YOU SEE SOMETHING THAT IS BOTHERING YOU, UH, TAKE A PICTURE OF IT, PUT IT ON THE APP, AND YOU'LL BE SURPRISED, I THINK, AT HOW FAST THOSE PROBLEMS GET RESOLVED.
WELL, I MEAN, I, I, WELL AFTER, AFTER THREE PHONE CALLS TO C WORKS, I WENT TO, I, I WENT TO CITY HALL IN PERSON AND THEN I ALSO POINTED OUT THE TRIP HAZARD THAT'S AROUND THE CORNER FROM MY HOUSE.
AND THEN I ALSO MENTIONED ON Q**M RUNS RIGHT BEHIND THE AIRPORT, THE LINES ARE TOTALLY FADED OUT ON THE PAVEMENT TO WHERE IT'S DANGEROUS AT NIGHT.
IF YOU'VE EVER DRIVEN TO WALMART OR DRIVEN TO COSTCO AT NIGHT DOWN CCA RIGHT BEFORE THE TROLEY TRACKS, YOU COULD, I HOPE THE CITY WILL HURRY UP AND REPAVE THAT SECTION BECAUSE IT'S ROUGH AS A COP AND YOU CAN'T SEE THE LINES.
SOMEBODY FROM THE CITY'S GONNA GET A HOLD OF YOU ABOUT ALL THESE THINGS.
I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING 'EM TO OUR ATTENTION AND LET'S, UH, JUST GO THROUGH THE PROCESS.
OKAY? AND MAY MIGHT I ENCOURAGE YOU FOLKS TO WALK YOUR OWN NEIGHBORHOOD, WALK YOUR OWN NEIGHBORHOODS AND TAKE NOTE OF THIS STUFF.
UH, IN FACT, I LIVE ABOUT A BLOCK FROM YOU.
SO I WALK MY DOG NEAR THERE ALL THE TIME AND I TRY ACTUALLY TRY TO AVOID THAT.
YOU MIGHT HAVE WALKED BY MY PLACE.
YEAH, I'M AT THREE 40, DWAYNE.
SO WE'RE PRETTY CLOSE TO EACH OTHER.
BUT, UM, UH, TO GIVE YOU THE BACKGROUND THAT, AND I KNOW ABOUT THIS 'CAUSE I USED TO WORK FOR THE ASSESSOR FOR 34 YEARS AND WHAT HAPPENED WAS EL CAJON, WHEN THAT, UH, SUBDIVISION WAS BUILT BACK IN 1951, THAT WASN'T IN THE CITY OF EL CAJON, IT WAS IN THE COUNTY AND THEY DIDN'T REQUIRE SIDEWALKS.
SO AS PEOPLE TOOK OUT PERMITS, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE TRIGGER AMOUNT WAS, 'CAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE IMPROVED THEIR HOMES THERE.
AND PART OF THE DEAL WAS THEY HAD TO PUT IN A SIDEWALK OR I GUESS PUT IN, UH, UH, PUT IN BOND FOR A SIDEWALK LATER.
ISN'T THAT HOW IT WORKS? AND THEN, SO IF, YOU KNOW, AND THAT WASN'T EVEN HOOKED UP TO CITY SEWER.
THAT'S WHY YOU GUYS HAD THOSE GREAT HUGE LOTS.
AND, UH, IN FACT MOST OF, UH, FLETCHER HILLS WASN'T EVEN ANNEXED BY THE CITY WHEN THOSE HOUSES WERE BUILT.
THAT'S WHY IF YOU GO FURTHER UP THE HILL INTO OLD FLETCHER HILLS, SOME, THERE'S SOME SIDEWALKS AND SOME THAT DON'T HAVE SIDEWALKS.
SO IT WASN'T THAT THE CITY DECIDE TO PUT IN SIDEWALKS RIGHT HERE AND THEN NOT THE NEXT HOUSE.
'CAUSE THE CITY, AS CITY MANAGER SAID, THE CITY DOESN'T PUT IN THE SIDEWALKS, IT'S THE DEVELOPER.
BUT THAT WASN'T A REQUIREMENT FOR THE COUNTY WHEN YOUR HOUSE WAS BUILT.
AND THAT WHOLE, UH, I THINK IT'S SUNNY SLOPE, ISN'T IT? CORRECT.
THAT YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD, SO THAT'S WHY WE'VE GOT THIS SITUATION.
SO AS THE CITY EXPANDS, THEN THE ONLY WAY WE COULD TRIGGER SOMEONE PUTTING IN A SIDEWALK IS ADD, YOU KNOW, MAKE IT A REQUIREMENT WHEN THEY DO SOME SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF CONSTRUCTION.
BUT, UH, WHAT THE CITY MANAGER IS TALKING ABOUT IS WE GET GRANTS FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND WE DO LIKE THE, WE GOT A GRANT FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO DO A WHOLE BUNCH OF IMPROVEMENTS ON, UH, WELL WAS IT EAST MAINE? I MEAN LIKE A COUPLE MILLION DOLLARS OR MORE SO THAT THAT'S NOT IN THE REGULAR CITY BUDGET.
AND IF WE APPLY FOR THESE GRANTS AND WE NEED THIS HERE, AND A LOT OF TIMES THE FEDS WILL SAY, OKAY, WE'LL GIVE YOU THIS GRANT FOR A MILLION DOLLARS FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT.
AND SO, UH, WHAT WE CAN DO NOW IS START LOOKING FOR GRANTS, YOU KNOW, FROM THE, FROM THE FEDS TO KIND OF FINISH A JOB THAT WAS, UH, NOT COMPLETED, NOT BY THE CITY, BUT JUST BY INDIVIDUAL HOMEOWNERS.
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GO UP TO A HOMEOWNER RIGHT NOW AND SAID, OH, SPEND, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS TO PUT IN A SIDEWALK.IT'S GONNA BE A FEW THOUSAND DOLLARS.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S A SITUATION.
AND, AND A LOT OF PEOPLE IN SUNNY SLOPE, AS IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, ARE RETIRED AND YOU KNOW, IT'S HARD FOR THEM TO COME UP WITH, YOU KNOW, FIVE OR $6,000.
SO THAT'S, I MEAN, SO THAT, THAT'S THE SITUATION RIGHT NOW.
SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE THE CITY PURPOSELY DID TO LET'S NOT PUT SIDEWALKS FOR THE NEXT FOUR HOUSES.
'CAUSE I DON'T LIKE WALKING MY DOG JUST LIKE YOU DO ON SOMEONE'S LAWN OR YOU KNOW, ON SOMEONE'S LAWN OR YOU HAVE TO WHIP OUT YOUR CELL PHONE AND USE THE FLASHLIGHTS.
SO YOU DON'T TRIP OVER ROCK TRIP, OVER TRIP OVER THE ROCKS WHEN YOU'RE WALKING.
AND THE LIGHT'S IMPORTANT SECTION.
'CAUSE YOU GOTTA SEE WHERE YOU'RE WALKING SO YOU DON'T STEP IN A GOPHER HOLE OR SOMETHING.
OR TRIP OVER THE WALKS OR EVEN WORSE THAT, THAT, THAT TRIP HAS, OR THERE WERE THE SIDEWALK ENDS.
AND LIKE I SAY, THAT TRIP HAZARD, I'VE BEEN IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD 26 AND A HALF YEARS AND THAT TRIP HAZARD HAS ALWAYS BEEN THERE.
AND THE FIRST TIME I WENT TO TRY AND GET THAT CORRECTED WAS AFTER READING AN ARTICLE IN THE READER WHERE THE CITY OF SAN DIEGO WAS PAYING OUT SOMETHING LIKE $26 MILLION A YEAR RIGHT OVER TRIP AND FALL SUITS.
WELL, BECAUSE THEIR SIDEWALKS ARE JUNK.
SO, UH, WE'RE GONNA ADDRESS EVERY ONE OF THESE ITEMS. I DON'T KNOW HOW SOON WE CAN GET IT DONE OR GET THE MONEY FROM THE FEDS, BUT, UH, WE CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TRIP HAZARDS.
BUT LADIES, GENTLEMEN, WALK YOUR OWN NEIGHBORHOODS AND, AND TAKE NOTE OF THIS STUFF.
I MEAN, WELL, I APPRECIATE IT, SIR.
OKAY, THERE ARE NO COMMISSION REPORTS ON TODAY'S AGENDA.
[16. Council Activity Report]
IS MY ACTIVITIES REPORT, WHICH IS AS REPORTED THAT WE'RE NOW AT ACTIVITIES REPORTS[18. COUNCILMEMBER GARY KENDRICK METRO Commission/Wastewater JPA; Heartland Communications; Heartland Fire Training JPA.]
FOR COUNCIL MEMBERS.WE'LL START WITH, UH, GARY KENDRICK AS REPORTED, MR. STEVE GLOBAL
[17. COUNCILMEMBER STEVE GOBLE MTS (Metropolitan Transit System Board); East County Advanced Water Purification Joint Powers Authority Board; Chamber of Commerce – Government Affairs Committee; SANDAG – Board of Directors – Alternate; SANDAG Public Safety Committee – Alternate.]
AS REPORTED.[19. COUNCILMEMBER MICHELLE METSCHEL Harry Griffen Park Joint Steering Committee; METRO Commission/Wastewater JPA – Alternate; Heartland Communications – Alternate; Heartland Fire Training JPA – Alternate. ]
UH, AS REPORTED, I HAVE TWO THINGS TO ADD TO IT.UM, I WENT TO THE HARRY GRIFFIN PARK, UH, JPA MEETING AND I'M GOING TO BE BRINGING, JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, I'M GOING TO BE BRINGING TWO ITEMS FOR DISCUSSION FOR THE COUNCIL.
UM, CANINE CORONER'S IMPROVEMENTS, GOT UP TO $500,000 IN IMPROVEMENTS AND THEY'RE GONNA BE ASKING FOR MONEY.
AND THEY'VE ALSO GOT A EUCALYPTUS PRUNING PROJECT THAT'S GONNA BE ABOUT $70,000.
AND THEY'VE ALSO ORDERED, UH, LAWNMOWERS.
AND I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY GOT THAT APPROVED BECAUSE THAT'S GONNA REQUIRE MONEY FROM US.
AND I DON'T REMEMBER SAYING YES TO ORDERING THAT.
SO I KNOW THAT WE HAVE A, UH, MORATORIUM ON GIVING THEM ANY MORE MONEY, BUT SOMEHOW THEY ORDER THAT THE NEW LAWNMOWERS SO LOOK FOR IS A DECISION FROM YOU GUYS ON WHETHER WE ARE GOING TO GIVE THEM MORE MONEY OR NOT.
I I DON'T REMEMBER HEARING ABOUT THIS.
SO YOU KNOW HOW WE HAVE, UM, WE GIVE THEM, I THINK IT'S LIKE 215,000 A YEAR TOWARDS HARRY GRIFFIN PARK AND WE DECIDED THAT WE EITHER CONTINUED JUST GIVING 215 A YEAR.
THIS WAS, THIS WAS THE CITY OF LA MESA? YEAH.
FOR HARRY GRIFFIN PARK, WHICH WE HAVE NO, YEAH.
SO, AND EITHER WE CONTINUE GIVING THAT TWO 15, WE GIVE THEM MORE MONEY, WHICH THEY ASK EVERY SINGLE MEETING OR WE REMOVE OUR NAME OFF THE, THE SIGN AND SAY WE'RE DONE WITH THE JPA.
SO WE HAD DECIDED AT A COUNCIL FOUR YEARS AGO THAT WE WOULD CONTINUE TO JUST GIVE OUR, OUR APPORTIONMENT OF TWO 15 A YEAR.
AND I TOLD THEM TODAY THAT I WOULD HAVE TO BRING BACK TO YOU GUYS, UM OH, OKAY.
SO I THINK THE, THE, THE WAY TO GO IS TO HAVE, UM, GRAHAM AGENDIZE IT AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT IN THE NEXT MEETING.
SO I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU A HEADS UP THAT THIS IS WHAT I'M GONNA BE DOING.
[23. CLOSED SESSIONS:]
TO CLOSED SESSION.THE CITY ATTORNEY WILL RECITE THE TITLE AND LEAD US IN THE CLOSED SESSION.
THANK YOU MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL.
WE HAVE A CLOSED SESSION ON TWO ITEMS. THE FIRST IS A CONFERENCE WITH LEGAL COUNSEL ON EXISTING LITIGATION PURSUANT TO PARAGRAPH ONE OF SUBDIVISION D OF GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 5 4 9 5 6 0.9.
IT INVOLVES A WORKERS' COMPENSATION CLAIM OF ROBERT FARON VERSUS THE CITY OF EL CAJON.
AND THE SECOND IS A CLOSED SESSION ON PUBLIC EMPLOYEE PERFORMANCE EVALUATION.
THE OFFICE TO BE EVALUATED IS THE CITY MANAGER.
[01:45:01]
UH, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN THE CLOSED SESSION.MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF THOSE PRESENT.
ALL RIGHT, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE'RE GOING TO, UH, FOR A SHORT CLOSE SESSION AND WE'LL BE BACK TO FINISH THE MEETING.
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE ARE BACK, UM, FROM CLOSED SESSION.
I'M GOING TO ASK OUR CITY ATTORNEY TO REPORT ON WHAT HAPPENED IN THE CLOSED SESSION.
THE CITY COUNCIL MET IN CLOSED SESSION ON ONE ITEM THAT WAS A CONFERENCE WITH LEGAL COUNSEL ON EXISTING LITIGATION.
AND THAT HAS TO DO WITH THE WORKERS' COMPENSATION CLAIM OF MR. FARRIN VERSUS THE CITY OF EL CAJON.
AND DIRECTION WAS GIVEN TO OUR WORKERS' COMPENSATION GROUP, UH, UH, REPRESENTATIVE ON THIS MATTER.
AND ON THE SECOND ITEM, UH, IT WAS A CLOSED SESSION ON THE PUBLIC EMPLOYEE PERFORMANCE EVALUATION, CITY MANAGER.
ALRIGHT, THIS BRINGS US TO THE ADJOURNMENT, THE ADJOURNED REGULAR JOINT MEETING OF THE CAJON CITY COUNCIL.
EL CAJON HOUSING AUTHORITY SUCCESSOR AGENCY TO THE EL CAJON REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY.
HELD THIS 22ND DAY OF OCTOBER, 2024 IS ADJOURNED TILL TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 12TH, 2024 AT 3:00 PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.