Oct 08, 2024 City Council Meeting 3pm

OF NATIONAL COMMUNITY

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[ PRESENTATIONS: Presentation: Hauntfest on Main Proclamation: National Fire Prevention Week Proclamation: National Community Planning Month ]

NOW, THEREFORE, I BILL WELLS MAYOR OF THE CITY OF EL CAJON, TOGETHER WITH THE CITY COUNCIL DO HEREBY PROCLAIM THE MONTH OF OCTOBER, 2024 TO BE COMMUNITY PLANNING MONTH IN THE CITY OF EL CAJON, IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE CELEBRATION OF NATIONAL COMMUNITY PLANNING MONTH.

JOIN US AT APPLAUDING THE MANY VALUABLE CONTRIBUTIONS MADE BY THE CITY OF EL CAJON PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF AND PARTNERS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU, MAYOR.

THANK YOU.

CITY COUNCIL.

MR. MAYOR, MAY I, MR. MAYOR, MAY I SAY SOMETHING? SURE.

UH, BEFORE YOU GO ANYWHERE, TONY, BUT YOU CAN LISTEN FROM THE AUDIENCE.

I JUST HAVE TO REALLY HIGHLIGHT YOU AND YOUR ENTIRE TEAM IN COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.

I AM ALWAYS IMPRESSED WITH HOW YOUR, YOU AND YOUR TEAM ARE ALWAYS STRIVING TO CUT RED, RED TAPE FOR BUSINESS OWNERS OR HOMEOWNERS.

UM, LOOK FOR EFFICIENCIES, LOOK FOR WAYS TO WORK WITH, UM, CONTRACTORS.

I MEAN, WHETHER IT'S, UH, A LARGE ORGANIZATION THAT'S BUILDING A STATE-OF-THE-ART FACILITY OVER ON WELD, OR WHETHER IT'S A, YOU KNOW, MOM AND POP SHOP THAT'S COMING IN WITH PLANS DRAWN ON THE BACK OF A NAPKIN.

I MEAN, YOU GUYS, I MEAN, THOSE ARE TWO REAL THINGS THAT YOU PLAN FOR AND, AND WORK WITH AND HAVE AND ENCOUNTERED.

AND, AND YOUR TEAM OVER THERE IS INCREDIBLE AND I APPRECIATE HOW YOU DON'T TREAT PEOPLE LIKE A NUMBER.

YOU TREAT THEM LIKE INDIVIDUALS AND YOU KNOW THAT THE QUICKER THEY CAN GET THROUGH THEIR BUILD, THEY'RE SAVING MONEY, THEY'RE SAVING TIME.

IT'S BRINGING MORE PEOPLE INTO THE CITY TO DO BUSINESS AND, UM, REVITALIZE OUR ECONOMY.

SO I JUST CAN'T THANK YOU ENOUGH.

THANK YOU TO THE ENTIRE TEAM.

UM, KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK.

THANK YOU.

ALRIGHT.

THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH.

ALL RIGHT.

THAT BRINGS US TO AGENDA CHANGES.

STAFF, DO YOU HAVE ANY AGENDA CHANGES? MR. MAYOR STAFF HAS NO CHANGES TO THE AGENDA.

COUNSEL, THAT BRINGS US TO CONSENT

[7. CONSENT ITEMS: Consent Items are routine matters enacted by one motion according to the RECOMMENDATION listed below. With the concurrence of the City Council, a Council Member or person in attendance may request discussion of a Consent Item at this time.]

COUNCIL MEMBERS, DO YOU WANNA PULL ANY OF THE CONSENT ITEMS? MR. GOBEL DOES? NUMBER 10.

NUMBER 10 AND, UH, STAFF? NO SIR.

LET'S GO WITH NUMBER 10 THEN.

STEVE, WHY DON'T YOU, UH, THANK YOU.

WALK US THROUGH IT.

UH, QUESTION FOR CITY STAFF.

I NOTICED IN THE STAFF REPORT THAT IT APPEARS THIS POSITION IS BEING TAKEN OUT OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT'S BUDGET AND PUT INTO THE PARK AND REC BUDGET.

IS THAT TRUE? THAT IS CORRECT.

OKAY.

AND IS THIS A NEW POSITION IN PARK AND REC OR IS IT AN UPGRADED EXISTING POSITION? IT'S NOT A NEW POSITION, IT'S JUST A TRANSFER OF POSITION.

WE'RE, WE'RE MODIFYING HOW THE PARK AND RANGE, UH, PARK RANGER USED TO FUNCTION UNDER THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

WE'RE TRANSFERRING THAT POSITION UNDER PARKS AND RECREATION AS A NEW POSITION UNDER OUR PARKS AND REC FROM PD AND THEY'LL OPERATE WITH A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENT GUIDE.

SOUNDS GOOD.

OKAY.

UH, IF THERE'S NO OTHER COMMENTS FROM MY COLLEAGUES, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO IMPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA.

SECOND, UH, BEFORE YOU DO THAT THOUGH, BEFORE I SAY I WANT TO ASK JEN IF WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS FOR CONSENT ITEMS. THERE ARE NO SPEAKER CARDS, SIR.

I THEN CONTINUE.

YOU HAVE A, A, A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ALRIGHT, PLEASE VOTE.

MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.

WE'RE NOW A PUBLIC COMMENT.

AT

[ PUBLIC COMMENT: At this time, any person may address a matter within the jurisdiction of the City Council/Housing Authority/Successor Agency to the El Cajon Redevelopment Agency that is not on the Agenda. Comments relating to items on today’s docket are to be taken at the time the item is heard. State law prohibits discussion or action on items not on the Agenda; however, Council, Authority and Agency Members may briefly respond to statements or questions. An item may be placed on a future Agenda.]

COMMENTS FURTHER INTO ITEMS ON TODAY'S AGENDA ALREADY BE TAKEN AT THE TIME THAT THE ITEM IS HEARD.

STATE LAW PROHIBITS DISCUSSION OR ACTION ON ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA.

HOWEVER, CITY COUNCIL AND HOUSING AUTHORITY MEMBERS MAY BRIEFLY RESPOND TO STATEMENTS OR QUESTIONS, AND AN ITEM MAY BE PLACED ON A FUTURE AGENDA.

JEN, DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? WE RECEIVED ONE SPEAKER CARD FROM BRENDA HAMMOND.

HI.

HI.

HI GRAHAM.

MR. MITCHELL.

I MADE IT.

UM, SO WEDNESDAY NIGHT I CAME TO THE CAR SHOW AND ON THE WAY HERE I HAD CAR TROUBLE.

SO A VACUUM LEAK OR SOMETHING.

I COULDN'T GET OUT AT 25 MILES AN HOUR ALL THE WAY HERE.

SO I STOPPED AT THE CHALDEAN CHURCH TO LET MY CAR, UM, YOU KNOW, COOL OFF FOR A

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AND OF COURSE I KNOW SOME OF THE PEOPLE THERE AND THEY WERE VERY NICE AND THEY LET ME COOL OFF FOR A WHILE.

SO I MADE IT TO THE CAR SHELL.

OH, WAS GREAT.

THE DRAGSTERS, IT WAS GREAT.

THE RAILS.

SO THEN I WAS REALLY TIRED, SO I TOOK A LITTLE NAP IN MY CAR IN THE PD PARKING LOT.

BUT WHEN I WOKE UP THERE, EVERYBODY WAS GONE .

SO I SAID, OH MY GOSH, I NEED TO USE THE RESTROOM.

SO I WENT OVER, UM, TO THE CHINESE PANDA EXPRESS OVER THERE AND THEY LET ME GO IN.

SO I MADE IT ANYWAY, I MADE IT BACK TO LEMON GROVE.

SO TODAY, SAME THING HAPPENED TO ME, .

SO I STOPPED AT THE CHALDEAN CHURCH AND EVERYBODY WAS NICE.

I, MY CAR WAS FINE.

IT WAS JUST OVERHEATING.

IT WAS JUST HOT OUT THERE.

SO I JUST WANTED TO SAY, I CAN'T WAIT UNTIL TOMORROW NIGHT, .

I MIGHT TAKE THE TROLLEY, UM, TO THE VAN.

THE VAN CAR SHOW TOMORROW NIGHT.

IT'S RIGHT TOMORROW NIGHT.

YEAH.

YEAH.

SO, SO THE WHOLE TIME THAT I WAS CHECKING MY CAR, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE PEOPLE AT THE CHURCH WERE WATCHING ME THINKING, HOPING I WASN'T GONNA FREAK OUT.

'CAUSE THEY ALREADY KNOW I WON'T.

SO, UM, HERE WE HAVE, I'M NOT GONNA CRACK.

UM, I TOOK THE MOTOR OUT 'CAUSE IT, THE GLASS BREAKING WAS ANNOYING PEOPLE.

OR SCARING PEOPLE.

I KNOW ONE MAYOR THAT HIT UNDER HER, UM, TABLE.

ANYWAY, I'M NOT GONNA GET INTO THAT.

SO THANK YOU FOR THE CAR SHOW.

AND, UM, AND I CAN'T WAIT TILL CARN TO START AGAIN NEXT YEAR.

AND, UM, CAN'T WAIT TILL TOMORROW NIGHT.

I PROMISE I WON'T DRIVE 20 MILES AN HOUR ALL THE WAY HERE.

THANK YOU.

IT'D BE SAFE.

THANK YOU, BRENT.

I LIKE THAT SHIRT.

I COULD USE A NEW CAR.

I LIKE THAT SHIRT.

BRENDA, GO PADRES.

OH, DO YOU LIKE THE SOCKS? THAT, UM, KNIGHTS AT COLUMBUS GAVE ME THESE SOCKS.

ALRIGHT, ANYMORE NO OTHER SPEAKER CARDS, SIR.

ALRIGHT THEN.

THERE ARE NO WRITTEN COMMUNICATIONS, NO PUBLIC HEARINGS.

ON TODAY'S AGENDA, WE HAVE THREE ADMINISTRATIVE

[11. Stoney's Neighborhood Park Fitness Equipment and Playground Resurfacing - Project Acceptance RECOMMENDATION: That the City Council: Accepts the Stoney's Neighborhood Park Fitness Equipment, Job No. STONEY PARK 233797PRCP; Accepts the Stoney's Neighborhood Park Playground Resurfacing, Job No. STONEY PARK 233789PWCP; and Authorizes the City Clerk to record a Notice of Completion and release the bonds in accordance with the contract terms.]

ITEM 11 IS A REPORT ON S STONEY'S NEIGHBORHOOD PARK.

I'LL ASK ADAM TRAU, DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND RECREATION, TELL US ABOUT THIS.

THANK YOU MAYOR.

ACTUALLY, UH, DEPUTY DIRECTOR JULIA LAN IS GONNA GIVE THIS REPORT.

SOUNDS GOOD.

HI, GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR COUNCIL STAFF.

UM, MY NAME IS JULIA LON.

I AM THE DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND RECREATION, AND I AM HERE TODAY TO TELL YOU ABOUT SOME RECENT IMPROVEMENTS TO STONEY'S NEIGHBORHOOD PARK.

FIRST, WE HAVE THE INSTALLATION OF NEW ADULT FITNESS EQUIPMENT.

WE HAD EIGHT NEW PIECES OF EQUIPMENT INSTALLED AND WE STRATEGICALLY PUT IT VERY CLOSE AROUND THE FENCE OF THE PARK SO PARENTS OR CAREGIVERS CAN UTILIZE THAT EQUIPMENT AND WORK OUT WHILE STILL SUPERVISING THEIR CHILDREN WITHIN THE PARK.

SO IT GAVE A NICE INTERGENERATIONAL COMPONENT TO THIS AREA.

WE ALSO HAVE PLAYGROUND RESURFACING.

SO THE EXISTING MULCH WAS REPLACED WITH RUBBER TILE SURFACING AFTER ALL THE HEAVY RAINFALLS AND STORMS THAT WE HAD JUST THIS LAST WINTER.

SO MUCH OF THE MULCH HAD WASHED AWAY THAT WE ACTUALLY HAD TO CLOSE THE PARK FOR A LITTLE WHILE.

IT WAS UNSAFE FOR PLAY.

SO BY ADDING THIS RUBBER TILE SURFACING, WE WILL AVOID THAT TYPE OF SITUATION IN THE FUTURE.

AND WE HAVE A MUCH SAFER PRODUCT NOW FOR THE COMMUNITY.

LASTLY, WE WERE FORTUNATE TO HAVE FUNDING FROM CDBG TO HELP SUPPORT THIS PROJECT.

AND HAVING THESE ADDITIONAL RESOURCES REALLY ALLOWED US TO ADD THIS GREAT BENEFIT TO OUR NICE NEIGHBORHOOD PARK HERE.

SO AT THIS POINT OUR, THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS FOR CITY COUNCIL TO ACCEPT THE STONY PARK FITNESS EQUIPMENT PROJECT, THE PLAYGROUND RESURFACING PROJECT, AND AUTHORIZE THE CITY CLERK TO RECORD A NOTICE OF COMPLETION.

AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

THANKS FOR THE REPORT.

LET ME, UH, GO WITH MICHELLE.

HI.

NICE REPORT.

QUESTION STONY PARK, IF I'M CORRECT.

ISN'T THAT THE ONE IN FRONT OF THE LIBRARY? YES, IT IS.

OKAY.

AND ACCORDING TO GOOGLE, DOGS ARE ALLOWED, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE ALLOWED RIGHT THERE OR NOT.

WELL, I DON'T THINK

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THE REASON WHY I ASK DOES SAY DOGS ARE ALLOWED HERE.

AND SO I'M WONDERING IF WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S UPDATED.

AS YOU RECALL, THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA.

RIGHT? YEAH, I WAS GONNA SAY IN THE, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE BRINGING BACK TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR SOME DISCUSSION.

MM-HMM.

, I'M JUST SAYING BECAUSE I REALLY QUICK WANTED TO MAKE SURE WHERE THE STONY WAS.

'CAUSE I DON'T, I DIDN'T KNOW WHERE IT WAS LOCATED, SO WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S UPDATED.

UM, AND THAT'S IT.

BUT THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I DID HEAR THAT WE HAD PUT THE EQUIPMENT IN THERE AND, UH, I'M GLAD THAT WE'RE GOT MORE ACTIVITIES AVAILABLE.

MM-HMM.

, THANK YOU.

YES, THANK YOU.

OKAY.

ANYBODY ELSE? WELL, THANK YOU FOR COMING.

THANK YOU.

I APPRECIATE THAT.

OKAY, ARE THERE ANY SPEAKER CARDS ON THIS ITEM? THERE ARE NO SPEAKER CARDS, SIR.

OKAY.

ALRIGHT.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS? I'LL MAKE A MOTION, UH, TO ADOPT, UH, RESOLUTION OUTLINED IN THE STAFF REPORT.

ITEMS ONE, TWO, AND THREE SECOND PLEASE VOTE.

MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.

ITEM 12 IS

[12. Memorandum of Understanding with MTS for Bus Shelter and Bus Bench Advertising, Installation, and Maintenance RECOMMENDATION: That the City Council adopts the next Resolution, in order, to authorize the City Manager to execute a Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) with the San Diego Metropolitan Transit System (MTS) Regarding Bus Shelter and Bus Bench Advertising, Installation and Maintenance, substantially in the form as presented at this meeting, with any such changes and refinements as may be necessary and approved by the City Manager. ]

DAVID RICHARDS WILL TELL US ABOUT THIS.

ALL RIGHT.

GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.

HOW ARE YOU? GOOD, DAVE.

OKAY, SO TODAY I AM HERE TO, UH, PRESENT A POSSIBLE PARTNERSHIP WITH MTS.

UM, BEFORE I GET STARTED, I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE MARK OLSON AS WELL.

UM, WHO'S HERE FROM MTS? SO AFTER THE PRESENTATION, IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR MYSELF OR MTS ARE HERE TO, TO HELP OUT WITH THAT.

THANKS FOR COMING.

OOPS.

SO THE PROPOSED PARTNERSHIP, IF APPROVED, WOULD ALLOW MTS TO ADVERTISE ON SELECT BUS, SHELTER, AND BENCH LOCATIONS WITHIN THE CITY, AND WOULD TRANSITION THE MAINTENANCE RESPONSIBILITIES FOR THESE SELECTED LOCATIONS FROM THE CITY TO MTS.

CURRENTLY, THE CITY HAS 162 BUS STOP LOCATIONS WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS.

UM, THESE BUS STOPS HAVE A RANGE OF, OR A VARIETY OF FURNITURE RANGING FROM A POLE TO A BENCH, UM, TO A SHELTER, UM, TO ALSO INCLUDE TRASH CANS.

ON AVERAGE, THE CITY SPENDS ABOUT 15 HOURS A WEEK MAINTAINING THE BUS STOPS.

THE BUS STOPS ARE CLEANED AS NEEDED, AND WHEN WE RECEIVE, UH, FOR SERVICE.

IN ADDITION, THE CITY HAS A CONTRACT WITH ST.

MADELINE, SOPHIE, UH, CENTER TO EMPTY THE TRASH CANS AND BUS STOPS, OR AT THE BUS STOPS, I SHOULD SAY, TWICE A WEEK FOR AN ANNUAL COST OF $75,000.

THIS IS A PICTURE, AND I KNOW YOU CAN'T SEE IT TOO WELL, BUT IT IDENTIFIES SOME OF WHAT I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT ON THE NEXT SLIDE.

UM, THERE ARE BUS STOPS, UH, LOCATIONS THROUGHOUT THE CITY.

SOME ARE GREEN, SOME ARE ORANGE, AND SOME ARE RED.

UM, JUST BASED OFF THE SUITABILITY, UM, OF EACH LOCATION FOR THIS PARTNERSHIP.

SO, MTS AND THE CITY HAVE EVALUATED THE 162 LOCATIONS FOR THE SUITABILITY BASED ON WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S, UM, ENOUGH SIDEWALK, UM, TO PUT A BUS SHELTER ON OR A BENCH.

AND THE A DA CLEARANCE AROUND EACH LOCATION.

OF THESE 162 BUS STOP LOCATIONS, 48 ARE SUITABLE TO TRANSITION, UM, INTO THIS PROGRAM.

IF, IF WE PROCEED, UM, BASED ON THE DIMENSIONS OF THE SIDEWALKS, 55 LOCATIONS WOULD REQUIRE FURTHER REVIEW AND IMPROVEMENT PRIOR TO BEING CONSIDERED FOR THE PROGRAM.

AND AN ADDITIONAL 50 LOCATIONS ARE NOT VIEWED AS SUITABLE, UM, TO HOST AN MTS BUS STOP OR BENCH BASED OFF THE PHYSICAL CONSTRAINTS.

SO NINE OF THE LOCATIONS OF THESE 162 HAVE ACTUALLY BEEN DISCONTINUED.

I SHOULD NOTE THAT MTS HAS EXPRESSED THAT THEY'RE READY TO TRANSITION THESE 48, UM, BUS STOP LOCATIONS, UM, AS SOON AS APRIL.

SO THAT'S GOOD NEWS.

IF WE PROCEED.

THE 55 OTHER LOCATIONS IDENTIFIED WOULD REQUIRE, AS I MENTIONED, SOME ADDITIONAL ATTENTION BEFORE THEY COULD BE TRANSITIONED.

SO THE, UH, MTS MARKETING CONTRACTOR, BASED ON THE LIST OF ELIGIBLE SITES FOR THE PROGRAM, WOULD EVALUATE THE MARKETING VALUE OF OUR BUS STOPS.

IF TRANSITION THE BUS STOPS, UH, WITH ADVERTISEMENTS CAN ONLY BE LOCATED, UH, WITHIN COMMERCIAL, MULTIFAMILY

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SO IT WOULDN'T INCLUDE SINGLE FAMILY AREAS.

UM, THE TYPES OF MARKETING ALLOWED ON THE BUS SHELTERS AND STOPS IS REGULATED BY MTS BOARD POLICY NUMBER 21.

THE POLICY PROHIBITS THIS, UM, PROHIBITS CERTAIN TYPES OF ADVERTISING, INCLUDING, AS YOU CAN SEE ON THIS CHART, UH, PERSONAL ATTACKS ON INDIVIDUALS OR GROUPS, UH, POLITICAL OR ELECTORAL ADVERTISEMENTS, PORTRAYAL OF VIOLENCE, NUDITY, EROTIC OR OBSCENE ADVERTISEMENTS, TOBACCO OR FIREARM ADVERTISEMENTS AND PROFANITY.

SO IF APPROVED, THE TRANSITION TRANSIT STOPS WOULD BE CLEAN TO MAINTAINED BY MTS.

THAT'S PART OF THE BENEFIT OF THIS AS CURRENTLY WE DO THAT.

UM, MTS WOULD CLEAN THE MTS CONTROLLED BUS SHELTERS TWO TIMES A WEEK IN BENCHES ONCE A MONTH.

IF THE CONDITIONS WARRANT MORE FREQUENT CLEANING, MTS WOULD DESIGNATE THAT LOCATION TO BE CLEANED ON A HIGH FREQUENCY BASIS OF UP TO THREE OR FOUR TIMES PER WEEK.

IN ADDITION, MTS WOULD PRESSURE WASH EACH OF ITS BUS SHELTERS ONCE A MONTH OR MORE FREQUENTLY AS NEEDED.

DAMAGED MTS EQUIPMENT WOULD BE REPAIRED OR REPLACED WITHIN 48 HOURS.

IN ADDITION, GRAFFITI WOULD BE REMOVED, UM, WITHIN 24 HOURS OF BEING NOTICED OR REPORTED.

SO THE CALIFORNIA TRANSPORTATION DEVELOPMENT ACT KNOWN AS TDA PROVIDES FUNDING FOR TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS AND OPERATIONS.

THE FUNDS COME FROM A STATEWIDE 0.25% GENERAL SALES TAX AND SALES TAX ON DIESEL FUEL.

UM, THESE FUNDS ARE REDISTRIBUTED TO REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION AGENCIES.

IN OUR CASE.

THAT'S THE, UH, THAT'S SANDAG.

SANDAG THEN REALLOCATES THESE FUNDS TO ELIGIBLE TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS AND AGENCIES.

MTS RECEIVES SOME OF THESE FUNDS, UH, WHICH AGAIN, ARE RE REDISTRIBUTED.

AND ULTIMATELY, UH, THAT'S HOW EL CAJON RECEIVES, UM, FUNDS OF APPROXIMATELY $140,000 ANNUALLY TO USE TOWARDS MAINTAINING BUS STOPS WITHIN THE CITY SIGNING.

THE MOU UM, WOULD NOT INCREASE OR DECREASE THE CITY'S ACCESS TO THESE TDA FUNDS.

THE CITY WILL CONTINUE TO UTILIZE THESE FUNDS TO MAINTAIN THE CITY'S REMAINING BUS STOPS, UM, THROUGHOUT THE CITY.

SO THERE'S SEVERAL BENEFITS AND DRAWBACKS TO CONSIDER WITH REGARDS TO SIGNING THE MOU WITH MTS.

UH, BENEFITS INCLUDE TRANSFERRING OWNERSHIP OF THE BUS SHELTERS AND BENCHES TO MTS, UM, AT LEAST THE ONES THAT ARE TRANSITIONED INTO THEIR, THEIR PROGRAM.

RELIEVING THE CITY FROM MAINTAINING CERTAIN BUS STOPS, UPDATING BUS SHELTER BENCHES OR SHELTERS AND BENCHES WITH NEW MODERN FURNITURE.

ALLOWING THE CITY TO INCREASE FUNDING FOR MAINTAINING, UM, BUS SHELTERS THAT ARE NOT TRANSITIONED TO MTS AND REDUCING THE CITY'S LIABILITY ASSOCIATED WITH OWNING AND CONTROLLING, UH, BUS STOPS.

SOME DRAWBACKS OBVIOUSLY INCLUDE, UM, YOU KNOW, POTENTIAL CLUTTER FROM ADVERTISING, AND THEN WE MAY RECEIVE COMPLAINTS FROM OUR RESIDENTS ABOUT ADVERTISING THAT THEY MAY NOT.

LIKE.

IF THE PROPOSED MLU IS APPROVED, MTS WOULD EVALUATE AND PROPOSE PROSPECTIVE SITES, OR I SHOULD SAY THEIR MARKETING CONTRACTOR WOULD.

UM, AND THEN THOSE SITES WOULD BE TRANSITIONED OVER TIME.

UH, THE CITY WOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO REVIEW AND REJECT PROPOSED SITES.

IF A LOCATION IS APPROVED, UM, THE CITY WOULD THEN REMOVE OUR EQUIPMENT AND THEN MPS WOULD COME IN AND INSTALL, UH, THEIR EQUIPMENT BEHIND US.

THE MOU WITH MPS WOULD HAVE AN INITIAL TERM OF 10 YEARS AND CONTINUE, CONTINUE ANNUALLY THEREAFTER.

UNLESS AGREEMENT, UNLESS THE AGREEMENT IS TERMINATED BY EITHER PARTY, THE CITY WOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO TERMINATE THE AGREEMENT WITH 365, UH, DAYS WRITTEN NOTICE TO MTS.

AND THEN FINALLY, MTS WOULD HAVE AN EXCLUSIVE, UH, ADVERTISING RIGHTS AND EL CAJON TO ADVERTISE ON BUS SHELTERS AND BENCHES IF APPROVED.

UH, THE MLU WITH MTS DOES NOT INCREASE OR DECREASE THE CITY'S ACCESS TO, UM, TDA FUNDS.

UM, WE ANTICIPATE THAT OVER TIME AS MORE BUS STOPS TRANSITION TO MTS, THERE COULD POTENTIALLY BE A DECREASE IN THE NEED TO USE, UH, TDA FUNDS.

UM, AS WE SEE IT RIGHT NOW, THERE'S PROBABLY MORE OF A NEED TO INCREASE, UM, THE CLEANING SCHEDULE AT SOME OF OUR EXISTING BUS STOPS.

SO THAT WOULD MORE LIKELY BE THE CASE.

THERE ARE NO ONGOING COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE MOU.

AND THEN ADVERTISING REVENUE

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IN CONCLUSION, THIS POTENTIAL PARTNERSHIP WITH MTS WOULD ALLOW MTS TO ADVERTISE ON SELECT BUS STOPS AND BENCHES OR BENCH SHELTERS, BENCHES AND SHELTERS, PARDON ME, WHILE TRANSFERRING AND CLEANING THE MAINTENANCE, UH, OF THESE BUS STOPS TO MTS.

SO STAFF RECOMMENDS AT THIS TIME THAT THE CITY COUNCIL ADOPT A RESOLUTION TO AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE AN AGREEMENT WITH M OR WITH MTS REGARDING BUS, SHELTER AND BENCH ADVERTISING, INSTALLATION AND MAINTENANCE.

THAT CONCLUDES MY FORMAL PRESENTATION AND I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS AND I BELIEVE MARK'S HERE AS WELL TO HELP ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.

ALRIGHT, THANKS.

LEMME SEE IF THERE'S QUESTIONS.

UH, ACTUALLY, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR MARK.

HOW MANY CITIES IN SAN DIEGO COUNTY, UH, HAVE THIS ARRANGEMENT? UM, WELL WITHIN OUR JURISDICTION RIGHT NOW WE HAVE SEVEN AND THE COUNTY OF SAN DIEGO.

SO SEVEN CITIES PLUS THE COUNTY OF SAN DIEGO.

DO YOU KNOW WHAT THOSE CITIES ARE? UM, YEAH, IT'S, UM, THE ONES THAT DON'T ARE POWAY AND CORONADO AND THE CITY OF EL CAJON RIGHT NOW.

SO ALL THE OTHER, SO IT'S, UM, IF YOU GO LA MESA, LEMON GROVE ARE TWO RECENT ONES THAT JUST CAME ON TO OUR PROGRAM.

UM, IMPERIAL BEACH, CHULA VISTAS AND, UM, NATIONAL CITY, CITY OF SAN DIEGO IS THE BIGGEST ONE.

THEY HAVE ABOUT 90% OF THE ENTIRE FURNITURE INVENTORY.

UM, AND MAYBE I'M MISSING ONE IN THERE IN SANTEE AS WELL.

SO, AND THEN, UH, WILL IT BE MADE SO THAT, UH, PEOPLE CAN'T SLEEP ON THE, ON THE BENCHES? IS THERE A, UH, BARRIER TO THAT? UM, THE BIGGEST BARRIER IS THAT THE BENCHES THEMSELVES HAVE PARTITIONS BETWEEN THE SEATS.

UM, SO SOMEBODY CAN'T LIE DOWN ON IT OR MAKES IT REALLY UNCOMFORTABLE TO AS WELL.

UM, AND THAT'S SOMETHING WHERE WE'D WORK CLOSELY WITH THE CITY OF EL CAJON.

IF THERE'S A PROBLEM AREA THAT WE HAVE.

UM, WE COULD SEND SOME OF OUR SECURITY OFFICERS OUT THERE TO HELP WITH THE CLEANING CREWS IF CLEANING NEEDS TO TAKE PLACE, MAINTENANCE NEEDS TO TAKE PLACE, UM, TO TRY TO DISCOURAGE THAT TYPE OF BEHAVIOR ON OUR SYSTEM.

THANK YOU.

HEY, MARK.

UH, SO HOW DOES THE PUBLIC NOTIFY MTS THAT BUS STOPS NEED HELP? UM, WE HAVE A CUSTOMER SERVICE CENTER, UM, THAT THEY CAN CALL ANYTIME.

UM, WE ALSO HAVE AN ONLINE FORM THAT THEY CAN FILL OUT AND PLACE A COMMENT THAT WAY.

THOSE ARE THE TWO EASIEST WAYS.

UM, PEOPLE CAN ALSO CALL OUR, UM, SECURITY TEAM 24 HOURS A DAY, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK.

UM, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON THE LEVEL OF EMERGENCY THAT'LL EITHER GET REFERRED TO CUSTOMER SERVICE OR WE'LL SEND A TEAM OUT TO RESPOND.

UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A BUS ENFORCEMENT TEAM THAT JUST SPECIALIZES IN THE BUS SYSTEM, UM, THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE CALLED OUT FOR SOME TYPE OF, UH, YOU KNOW, ELEVATED SECURITY CONCERN.

WE WOULD PROBABLY ASK MTS TO PROVIDE A WEBPAGE WITH THE INFORMATION YOU JUST DESCRIBED, BECAUSE OUR OWN INTERNAL CITY APP THAT WE USE FOR REPORTING GRAFFITI AND DEBRIS AND THINGS IS VERY POPULAR.

AND IF THAT COULD JUST HAVE A MENU ITEM THAT JUST FORWARDS TO YOUR PAGE, THAT WOULD BE SUPER.

YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.

WE CAN WORK WITH YOU ON THAT TYPE OF COMMUNICATION FOR SURE.

THANK YOU.

UM, GOING BACK TO THE BENCHES THAT MY COLLEAGUE MENTIONED, UM, SOMETIMES THOSE OF US WHO, UH, AS WE GET OLDER AND, UM, WE TEND TO TAKE A LITTLE BIT MORE SPACE ON BENCHES, THESE BENCHES THAT HAVE THE PARTITIONS IN DON'T QUITE ACCOMMODATE, UM, THAT SIZE.

IS IT POSSIBLE, ARE THEY JUST SMALL PARTITIONS LIKE THIS? OR ARE THEY, YOU KNOW, TO ACCOMMODATE A, A MORE AMPLE, UM, BACKSIDE? WELL, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A VERY GOOD POINT, AND I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN LOOK AT WITH THE DESIGN OF THEM.

RIGHT NOW.

WE JUST HIRED A COMPANY CALLED TOLAR, WHICH PRODUCES OUR CURRENT BENCHES AND, AND, AND SHELTERS.

AND SO THAT'S A DESIGN THAT WE CAN LOOK AT.

I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT SPECS ON THE INCHES BETWEEN THE PARTITIONS, BUT YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT WE CAN LOOK INTO.

WELL, I MEAN, I MEAN, LISTEN, I'M JUST TRYING TO BE REALISTIC IN LOOKING OUT FOR, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTS.

NOT EVERYBODY IS SKINNY AND, UM, YOU KNOW, IF WE DON'T WALK VERY MUCH AND WE ARE TAKING PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION AND WE HAVE TO WAIT AND WE NEED TO SIT, UH, I KNOW THAT I WOULD BE PRESSED TO SIT IN A VERY SMALL SPACE.

AND SO I'M LOOKING OUT FOR MY FELLOW RESIDENTS WHO WERE IN THE SAME

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SO THANK YOU FOR THAT.

UH, QUESTION FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY.

UH, NOW IT WAS MENTIONED THAT, UH, THERE THERE WOULD BE, UH, LESS LIABILITY FOR THE CITY IF SOMEONE GETS HURT THERE, DON'T THEY SUE, LIKE THE CITY AND THE BUS COMPANY? AND THEN WOULD THE BUS BENCH COMPANY INDEMNIFY US? WELL, THANK YOU MR. KENRICK.

THE, UM, THE NATURE OF THIS TRANSACTION IS THAT, UM, MTS WOULD TAKE FULL RESPONSIBILITY OF THEIR STATIONS, THOSE THAT THEY OWN.

NOT ALL OF 'EM WILL BE OWNED BY THEM PRESENTLY.

WE OWN ALL OF THEM.

AND SO THE TRANSITION WOULD BE TO EVENTUALLY MOVE AS MANY AS WE CAN TO MTS.

SO THEY'LL TAKE ON THAT RESPONSIBILITY.

NOTWITHSTANDING MR. UM, RICHARD'S REFERENCE TO THIS AS A PARTNERSHIP, IT IS NOT A PARTNERSHIP EXCEPT IN THE COLLOQUIAL SENSE, THIS IS NOT A LEGAL PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN THE, THE CITY AND MTS, UH, IN FACT, WE MAY BE CHANGING THE DESCRIPTION OF IT TO AGREEMENT, BUT WE'LL SEE.

WE'RE STILL IN DISCUSSIONS.

I'M STILL IN DISCUSSIONS WITH, UH, THEIR GENERAL COUNSEL.

SHE'S BEEN VERY COOPERATIVE AND TRYING TO GET THINGS PUT TOGETHER.

WE HUSTLED TO GET THIS ON THIS AGENDA, AND THERE'RE JUST A LITTLE FEW, UM, CHANGES THAT WE'LL BE NEED TO MAKE, INCLUDING MAKING THE A THE AGREEMENT, UH, A LICENSE AS WELL, A MASTER LICENSE SO THAT MTS WILL HAVE THAT ABILITY TO OCCUPY THE SPACES THAT WE CAN UPDATE AS TIME, UM, GOES ON.

WHEN THEY START ADDING MORE STATIONS, MORE BENCHES AND SHELTERS, WE WOULD MAKE THAT LIST, AMEND THAT LIST TO, TO INCLUDE THAT WITHIN THE LICENSE.

SO, UH, THAT'S WHY THE RESOLUTION ALLOWS AND THE RECOMMENDATION ASK FOR THE COUNCIL TO APPROVE THIS, ALLOWING THE CITY MANAGER MAKE CHANGES THAT HE BELIEVES ARE, UM, NECESSARY IN ORDER TO MEET THE GOALS AND OBJECTIVES OF THIS PROGRAM.

THANK YOU.

QUICK QUESTION, WHAT IS STAFF RECOMMENDING THAT WE SIGN OR CREATE THIS AGREEMENT WITH ALL 162, UH, AREAS? OR SORRY, WHAT'S THE, UH, RECOMMENDATION THERE? SO THE RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER TO ENTER INTO AN AGREEMENT OR OTHER FORM OF AN AGREEMENT WITH MTS.

THE ACTUAL IMPLEMENTATION OR, OR TRANSITION OF BUS STOPS WOULD INCORPORATE THE 48 INITIALLY OKAY.

THAT ARE READY TO BE TRANSITIONED AND THEN ADDITIONAL STOPS AS WE GO.

OKAY.

UM, THERE LIKELY AND MTS CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT THERE WILL LIKELY BE SOME MAINTENANCE FOR THE CITY TO RETAIN, UM, IN PERPETUITY.

UM, SO IT'S NOT LIKE A COMPLETE HANDOFF, IT'S JUST AS PER UH, STOPS ARE ADDED INTO THE PROGRAM, THOSE WILL TRANSITION.

UH, AND DO WE KNOW, I MEAN, TIMELINES WITH REGARD TO WE DO THE INITIAL 48, THE OTHER 105 OR SO, WAS THAT A A MONTH LONG PROCESS? IS THAT A YEAR LONG PROCESS FOR TRANSITIONING? ANY IDEA? I WOULD SAY IN OUR EXPERIENCE, IT'LL TAKE A LITTLE BIT LONGER THAN A MONTH.

I MEAN, I WOULD SAY MAYBE SIX TO EIGHT TO 12 MONTHS DEPENDING ON THE LEVEL OF WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE IN THE INFRASTRUCTURE ON CITY SIDEWALKS AND GOT IT.

AND BUILDING, UH, MAKING SURE IT'S A DA ACCESSIBLE AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

OKAY.

SO IT JUST DEPENDS ON HOW QUICKLY WE CAN WORK WITH THE CITY, UH, TO GET THE PERMITTING AND EV AND, AND THE CONSTRUCTION DONE ON CERTAIN SITES.

GOT IT.

OKAY.

UM, THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE.

MI MR. UM, MR. ORTIZ, I MIGHT WANT TO CLARIFY THAT.

PLEASE.

NOT EVERY ONE OF THOSE STOPS IS SUITABLE FOR A BENCH OR A SHELTER OR, UH, ANYTHING, RIGHT.

OTHER THAN PERHAPS A TRASH CAN OR A POST.

RIGHT.

SO WITH THOSE THAT ARE ONLY SUITABLE FOR THOSE TYPES OF USES, THE, THE SMALLER USES IS MTS PUTS UP THEIR POST WITH THEIR SIGN ON IT, BUT THAT'S IT.

WE, WE DON'T HAVE ANY, UH, FURNITURE, SO TO SPEAK, FOR, FOR PEOPLE TO, TO USE AT THOSE STOPS.

AND IT'S CRITICAL BECAUSE SOME OF THOSE ARE LOCATED WHERE IT'S, PEOPLE CAN'T GET TO THAT SITE.

IF THERE WERE TO BE A BENCH OR A SEAT, IT WOULD, AS, AS THE SPEAKER SAID THERE, THERE, THERE ARE A DA REQUIREMENTS THAT COULD BE COMPROMISED IF, UH, WE PUT FACILITIES ON SOME OF THOSE LOCATIONS.

SO WE'RE JUST NOT GONNA GET 'EM IN ALL, ALL OF THE 162 SPOTS.

OKAY.

SO, SO NOT ALL 162 OF THESE SITES, EVEN IF WE DID TRANSITION OVER TO MTS, ARE NOT GONNA GET SOME OF THESE BENCHES AND COVERINGS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT'S HELPFUL? VERY, VERY UNLIKELY.

VERY UNLIKELY.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

UH, WHAT ABOUT ALCOHOL ADVERTISING? HOW IMPORTANT IS THAT TO MTS? UM, WELL CURRENTLY OUR POLICY ALLOWS FOR ALCOHOL ADVERTISING.

UM, IT'S VERY INFREQUENT ON OUR SYSTEM.

UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE CAN DO, AND WE'VE TALKED TO STAFF ABOUT THIS, WAS EXCLUDE THE

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SO BASICALLY THEY ALREADY HAVE A RUNNING LIST OF LOCATIONS.

THEY CANNOT DO ALCOHOL ADVERTISING NEAR LIKE, UM, SCHOOLS, PLACES OF WORSHIP, CHILDCARE CENTERS, THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO THEY CAN'T, UM, PUT ANY ALCOHOL ADVERTISING 500 FEET FROM THOSE TYPES OF LOCATIONS THROUGHOUT OUR ENTIRE NETWORK.

WHAT WE COULD DO IS ADD THE ENTIRE CITY OF EL CAJON TO THAT NETWORK AS WELL.

UM, IN ADDITION TO THAT, UM, IT'S EL CAJONS VERY ATTRACTIVE FOR A LOT OF REASONS.

UH, ALCOHOL ADVERTISING IN OUR SYSTEM PROBABLY ISN'T ONE OF THEM.

THEY MAINLY FOCUS ON ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICTS LIKE THE GAS LAMP CORRIDOR, PACIFIC BEACH, MISSION BEACH.

AND THAT'S WHERE THOSE TYPES OF ADVERTISERS LIKE TO, UH, DO THEIR BUSINESS ON OUR SYSTEM.

HOW, HOW ABOUT MARIJUANA? UM, THAT IS NOT ALLOWED IN OUR, IN OUR POLICY.

OKAY.

SO I, I'D JUST LIKE TO ASK THE, MY COLLEAGUES HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT, I'D LIKE TO NOT HAVE ALCOHOL ADVERTISING, NOT HAVING ALCOHOL ADVERTISING.

THAT MAKES SENSE TO ME.

EL CAJON ALREADY HAS HOW A CONCENTRATION OF LIQUOR STORES FOR OFF SALE, UH, THINGS ENOUGH THAT WE DON'T ADD NEW ONES.

THE STATE HAS SAID YOU'RE FULL.

SO, AND WITH A COMBINATION OF OTHER THINGS SUCH AS THE OTHER THINGS, WE JUST DON'T WANNA MAKE ALCOHOL, UM, A PART OF THE PROMOTION HERE IN EL CAJON TO PEOPLE WHO ARE DISADVANTAGED OR DOWN ON THEIR LUCK.

SOMETIMES IT WOULD, IT'S NOT THE SAME EXPERIENCE AS A DOWNTOWN ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT.

RIGHT.

AND I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD, CAN CERTAINLY DO WITH CITY STAFF AND WORK AT THAT LEVEL ON IT, IF THAT'S OKAY WITH THE COUNCIL.

UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S NOT A, NOT AN ISSUE FOR US AT ALL.

THAT'D BE WONDERFUL.

ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANKS.

YOU'VE BEEN VERY INFORMATIVE.

I APPRECIATE IT.

LEMME SEE IF THERE'S ANY, UM, SPEAKER CARDS ON THIS ITEM.

THERE ARE NO SPEAKER CARDS, SIR.

ALRIGHT, SO IT'S BACK TO THE COUNCIL.

I THINK WE'VE KIND OF HASHED IT OUT, BUT GO AHEAD, STEVE.

UM, SOME COMMENTS.

SO 48 STOPS OUTTA HUNDRED 60 OR READY TO GO, THAT'S A THIRD.

UH, AND THAT'S A THIRD GRADE 55, WHICH GETS IT UP TO NEARLY TWO THIRDS, UH, WOULD BE ON THE LIST.

THE KEY HERE IS WE STILL GET THE $140,000 OF TDA ALLOWANCE.

UH, YOU WOULD EXPECT IF YOU GIVE UP, UH, THE, THE RESPONSIBILITY OF SOMEBODY ELSE, YOU WOULD GIVE UP SOME OF THE FUNDING FOR THAT.

BUT MIRACULOUSLY, UH, WE GET TO KEEP THAT $140,000 I THINK, OR, OR WE GET TO HAVE ACCESS TO THE 140,000.

IT'S A REIMBURSEMENT MODEL.

UH, I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT FOR US GOING FOR THE REASON WHY I BROUGHT THIS FORWARD LAST FALL, I THINK IT WAS EARLIER THIS YEAR.

IS IT, IT'S JUST NOT HAPPENING.

THE, THE CLEANLINESS OF OUR BUS STOPS CAN BE BETTER IN TERMS OF POWER WASHING, WHICH WE DON'T HAVE EXCEPT ON AN ON REQUEST BASIS.

UH, THE, THE TRASH.

I AM SURPRISED THAT IT'S SERVICED TWICE A WEEK BECAUSE IT OVERFLOWS FOR THAT.

SO WITH THE MONEY THAT WE STILL HAVE AVAILABLE, I THINK AND LESS SPOTS TO DO IT, I REALLY THINK WE SHOULD CONTRACT OUT WITH A POWER WASHER.

WE'RE LEAVING MONEY ON THE TABLE.

WE ONLY USE 75,000 OF $140,000 AND THE CLEANLINESS OF THE CITY IS AT STAKE WHEN WE LEAVE MONEY AT THE TABLE.

SO I BET MY COLLEAGUES WOULD AGREE.

LET'S GO FOR THOSE POWER WASH, LET'S GO FOR THOSE GOOD CLEAN THINGS.

IF WE HAVE $140,000 ALLOWANCE WE'RE NOT EVEN USING TODAY, I APPRECIATE MTS UH, BEING INTERESTED IN THIS.

THERE ARE 4,900 BUS STOPS ACROSS THE SYSTEM.

THESE ARE 162 OF THEM, BUT WE WANT THESE TO BE THE 162 BEST OUTTA THE 4,900.

SO THANKS FOR YOUR PARTICIPATION.

ALL RIGHT.

ANY OTHER THOUGHTS? YOU KNOW, JUST ONE THOUGHT, AND THIS MAY BE A LITTLE BIT OUT OF THE BOX, BUT IN CASE WE HAVE A PROBLEM AT A PARTICULAR LOCATION WITH THE HOMES SLEEPING THERE OR HANGING OUT, UH, COULD WE HAVE AN OPTION TO PUT UP SPEAKERS WHERE THEY HAVE THE, YOU KNOW, BAROQUE MUSIC PLAYING WHERE IT'S GONNA DRIVE SOMEONE CRAZY AFTER TWO HOURS? WE HAVE THAT OP WELL WE HAVE THAT OPTION.

NOW THE CHALLENGE IS THE TECHNOLOGY, RIGHT? AND SO WHEN WE'VE INSTALLED SIMILAR SYSTEMS AROUND THE CITY, UH, THEY TYPICALLY GET VANDALIZED PRETTY QUICKLY.

SO HAVING THE ABILITY TO TRANSMIT THE SOUND THERE OR HAVING A IPAD OR IPOD PLAYER, THAT'S, THAT'S THE LIMITATION ON THE MTSI PROBABLY, I'M GONNA ASSUME THAT'S PROBABLY NOT AN OPTION, BUT ON THE ONES THAT WE CONTROL, WE HAVE THAT ABILITY TO DO THAT.

OKAY.

I I SHOULD ALSO

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SO PEOPLE WHO ARE WAITING AT 21 STOPS IN THE HEAT TODAY WILL HAVE SHELTER PERHAPS A YEAR FROM TODAY.

THAT'S GOOD.

OKAY.

SOMEBODY I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION.

YEAH, I'LL GO AHEAD AND MOVE THAT.

WE ACCEPT THE NEXT RESOLUTION ORDER AUTHORIZING THE CITY TO EXECUTE AN MLU WITH MTS AND WITH ANY SUCH CHANGES AS REFINEMENTS AS MAY BE APPROVED BY THE CITY MANAGER.

ALRIGHT.

OH, I'M SORRY.

I DIDN'T ASK, DID I ASK IF THERE WERE ANY SPEAKER CARDS ON THIS ITEM? YES, THERE'S NO SPEAKER CARDS.

OKAY.

ALRIGHT, MOVE AND SECOND, PLEASE VOTE.

MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.

OKAY.

THERE ARE NO COMMISSION REPORTS ON TODAY'S AGENDA.

ITEM 14 IS MY ACTIVITIES REPORT, WHICH IS AS REPORTED.

MAYOR, WE HAVE ITEM 13.

DID I MISS SOMETHING? THANK YOU.

I OVERSHOT IT.

OKAY.

THE LAST

[13. Consider an Amendment to the Downtown Master Plan (Specific Plan No. 182) to Provide Allowances for New On-Sale Alcoholic Beverage Sales Establishments in the Downtown Area RECOMMENDATION: That the City Council provide direction on beverage sales establishments in the Downtown Area.]

AND OUR ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, MR. VINCENT DIAGGIO, WILL TELL US ABOUT THIS.

YOU KNOW, THERE'S A GAME TONIGHT, SO I'LL KEEP IT SHORT.

, I KNOW YOU'RE ANXIOUS TO.

UM, THANK YOU MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF COUNCIL.

UM, IN MARCH, 2024, AS YOU RECALL, COUNCIL RECEIVED A PRESENTATION FROM NEW CITIES AMERICA IDENTIFYING 12 SUGGESTED CHANGES TO VARIOUS OPERATIONS IN ORDER TO MAKE THE P BID MORE EFFECTIVE.

ONE OF THOSE CHANGES, UH, WAS A SUGGESTED ZONING CODE AMENDMENT TO ALLOW BAR ONLY ON SALE ESTABLISHMENTS IN THE P BID AREA.

THE LIMITATION OF BAR ONLY ESTABLISHMENTS GOES BACK TO A ZONING CODE CHANGE FROM 1995 WHEN THE, AND WHEN THE CITY COUNCIL ADDED DISTANCE REGULATIONS TO NEW BAR ONLY ESTABLISHMENTS, UM, REQUIRING A 1000 FOOT SEPARATION FROM EXISTING BAR ESTABLISHMENTS ALONG WITH 600 FOOT DISTANCE REQUIREMENTS FROM SCHOOLS, RESIDENTIAL USES, RELIGIOUS USES AND OTHER SENSITIVE USES.

UH, THESE DISTANCE REQUIREMENTS ESSENTIALLY ZONED OUT NEW BARS IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA.

PRESENTLY, UH, RESTAURANTS THAT HAVE A BAR AREA SMALLER THAN THE DINING AREA ARE ALLOWED WITH A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, AS ARE MICRO BREWERIES, WHICH ARE OF COURSE ESTABLISHMENTS THAT MANUFACTURE THE BEER ON SITE.

ADDITIONALLY, ON SITE, ON SALE ALCOHOL BEVERAGE USES ARE ALLOWED WHEN THE, WHEN THE BAR USE IS SECONDARY TO THE PRINCIPLE PERMITTED USE.

FOR EXAMPLE, THE MARRIOTT HAS A BAR AND THE MAGNOLIA HAS A BAR.

CLEARLY THOSE ARE SECONDARY TO THE PRINCIPLE PERMITTED USE IN THOSE CASES.

IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT STATE ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE CONTROL ESTABLISHMENTS DOES NOT REGULATE OVER CONCENTRATION OF ON SALE ESTABLISHMENTS IN THE SAME WAY THAT THEY REGULATE OFF SALE ESTABLISHMENTS, WHICH, WHICH AS WAS POINTED OUT IN AN EARLIER ITEM, WE DO HAVE, UH, SIGNIFICANT OVER CONCENTRATION OF IN SOME AREAS.

SO THIS ITEM IS, IS PRESENTED FOR COUNCIL DISCUSSION AND DIRECTION TO STAFF ON WHETHER TO AMEND OR REMOVE THE DISTANCE REQUIREMENTS CURRENTLY APPLICABLE TO BARS IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA.

THE STAFF REPORT NOTED THREE POTENTIAL ALTERNATIVES.

THE FIRST BEING TAKE NO ACTION AND LEAVE THE REGULATIONS IN PLACE.

THE SECOND, UM, WOULD BE TO, UM, KEEP THE, I'M SORRY.

THE SECOND ONE WOULD BE TO, UH, DIRECT STAFF TO AMEND THE DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN TO ALLOW ON SALE ALCOHOL ESTABLISHMENTS, PERIOD.

JUST REMOVE THE DISTANCE REQUIREMENTS ALTOGETHER, OR THREE DIRECT STAFF TO AMEND THE DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN TO CREATE A SET OF CRITERIA THAT WOULD ALLOW A CERTAIN NUMBER OF BARS WITHIN A GEOGRAPHIC AREA OF THE DOWNTOWN.

COUNSEL IS FREE TO TAKE ONE OR NONE OF THOSE ALTERNATIVES OR COME UP WITH ONE OF THEIR OWN, UM, IF THEY SO CHOOSE.

BUT WE OFFER THIS ITEM FOR DISCUSSION AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME.

THANKS VERY MUCH.

A QUESTIONS OKAY.

NOT, NOT RIGHT OFF.

UH, ANY SPEAKER CARDS ON THIS ITEM? THERE ARE NO SPEAKER CARDS, SIR.

OKAY.

AND, UH, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THIS, AT THIS POINT IS JUST TO DISCUSS WHETHER OR NOT WE SEND IT BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO HAVE THEM BRING US BACK MORE OPTIONS.

YES.

WE, WE STAFF WOULD PREPARE SOMETHING AND IT WOULD GO TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION FIRST AND THEN ONTO THE CITY COUNCIL.

DO YOU NEED DIRECTION TODAY? UH, AS TO WHAT? YES, PLEASE.

OKAY.

ALRIGHT.

WELL, IT'S OPEN FOR DISCUSSION.

WE'LL START WITH MICHELLE.

OKAY.

WE NEED TO BRING EL CAJON UP TO, UM, 2024 AND BEYOND.

UM, WE NEED TO LOOK FORWARD TO MAKING EL CAJON MAYBE AN, UH, AN ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT.

WE'VE GOT NOTHING FOR

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WE'VE GOT THE MAGNOLIA.

WE DON'T HAVE ANY ENTERTAINMENT.

WE'VE GOT, UM, A COUPLE OF DANCE CLUBS BACK IN THE NINETIES.

BACK IN THE EIGHTIES, WE USED TO HAVE A LOT.

AND THOSE OF US WHO HAVE LIVED HERE A LONG TIME, THERE WAS BAXTER'S, THERE WAS PARK PLACE.

UM, GO AND LISTEN TO LIVE MUSIC, HAVE A DRINK, YOU MEET UP WITH YOUR FRIENDS THERE.

WE HAVE NOTHING ANYMORE.

YOU DRIVE THROUGH DOWNTOWN AFTER DARK, AND IT'S LIKE THE SIDEWALKS HAVE ROLLED UP.

WHEN ARE WE GOING TO START BRINGING MORE PEOPLE IN? AND WE'VE GOTTA LOOSEN UP THE CODE.

SO I THINK THAT LOOSENING UP, CHANGING THE ZONING IS A GREAT IDEA.

TASTING ROOMS ARE A GREAT IDEA.

UM, I THINK WE LOST CREATURE COMFORT.

WHAT WAS THAT PLACE OVER BY? YEAH, WE LOST THAT PLACE.

WE NEED TO BRING SOMETHING IN.

WE CAN'T BRING ANYTHING NEW IN, UM, AS LONG AS WE SAY NO ALCOHOL, IT'S A FACT.

WE CANNOT LEGISLATE PEOPLE'S BEHAVIOR.

AND I THINK THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW, IS THAT WE'VE JUST BECOME, UM, ROLL THE SIDEWALKS UP AT EIGHT O'CLOCK AND, UM, AND THAT'S IT.

SO I REALLY WOULD LIKE MY COLLEAGUES TO THINK HARD AND LET'S START GETTING SOME MORE ENTERTAINMENT, SOME EXCITING THINGS FOR PEOPLE TO GO TO, UM, CLUBS FOR UNDER 21 PLACES TO GO FOR PARENTS TO GO, LET'S HAVE A DAYCARE CENTER AND THEN, YOU KNOW, PARENTS CAN GO OUT AND HAVE A GOOD TIME.

WE HAVE OUR, OUR CONCERTS IN THE PARK ON FRIDAY NIGHT, BUT THAT'S ONLY UNTIL IT STARTS GETTING COLD.

AND THEN WHAT, WE HAVE THE CAR SHOWS, BUT NOT EVERYBODY WANTS TO GO TO THE CAR SHOW, UM, UNTIL WE GET THE THE MALL, WE IMAGINED WHAT ELSE IS THERE TO DO? I MEAN, OKAY, WE CAN STAY HOME AND WATCH TELEVISION AND, BUT WE'VE GOTTA START GETTING PEOPLE OUT AND WE NEED PEOPLE TO GO OUT SHOP.

WE'VE GOTTA BE ABLE TO HAVE STORES TO GO DOWNTOWN AND LOOK THROUGH STORE WINDOWS AND HAVE SHOPS THAT ARE OPEN.

I REMEMBER LIVING IN SAN FRANCISCO AND GOING TO UNION SQUARE AT NIGHT, AND YOU COULD WALK DOWN AND SEE THE SHOPS DOWN THERE AND SEE THE, THE STORES, THE THE DRESS SHOPS AND, AND, AND THE DIFFERENT STORES DOWNTOWN SAN DIEGO, SAME PLACE.

WE HAVE NOTHING LIKE THAT.

NOBODY WANTS TO WALK DOWNTOWN NOW.

WHAT IS THERE TO LOOK AT? THERE'S NOTHING REALLY.

SO WE NEED TO BRING SOMETHING IN.

THAT'S ALL I CAN SAY ABOUT THAT.

GARY.

I THINK COUNCIL MEMBER MITCHELL MAKES REALLY GOOD POINTS.

UH, I GUESS SOMEONE ELSE THINKS THAT TOO.

.

UH, BUT, UH, AND I DON'T DRINK ALCOHOL, BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT'S A BIG PART OF SOCIAL INTERACTION IN THE UNITED STATES AND PRETTY MUCH ALL OVER THE WORLD.

AND 20 YEARS AGO, I WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN IN FAVOR OF THIS 'CAUSE DOWNTOWN A CAJON LOOKED LIKE SKID ROW AND NOW IT'S A LOT BETTER.

WE GOT A A LOT MORE REALLY NICE ESTABLISHMENTS AND I DON'T THINK A HOMELESS GUY'S GONNA GO IN AND PAY, I DON'T KNOW, WHAT DOES A BEER COST? EIGHT BUCKS, 10 BUCKS IN A BAR? I HAVE NO IDEA.

BUT THEY'RE NOT GONNA PAY THAT KIND OF MONEY FOR IT.

UH, SO I'M IN FAVOR OF SENDING THIS TO STAFF TO, TO LOOK IT OVER.

I, I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S, THAT'S REASONABLE.

WE NEED TO COMPETE WITH OTHER CITIES.

WE NEED TO GET WITH THE TIMES.

AND MAYBE, UH, WHEN AND WHEN PEOPLE LEAVE THE PERFORMING ARTS CENTER, WE GOT 1200 PEOPLE WALKING OUT OF THAT PLACE, YOU KNOW, MANY TIMES A MONTH.

AND THEY GO, OH, WHAT CAN WE DO IN DOWNTOWN? WELL NOW THEY'LL BE ABLE TO GO HAVE SOME DRINKS, ANYTHING, YOU KNOW, LOOK AT AN ART GALLERY.

YEAH.

AND SO THAT'S, BUT THAT, SEE, THAT'S PART, THAT'S ONE OF THE PIECES OF THE PUZZLE.

I THINK THAT THAT MAKES DOWNTOWN A LITTLE MORE INTERESTING.

WHEN MY, UH, SONS WERE IN COLLEGE AND THEY WANTED TO GO OUT SOMEPLACE DOWNTOWN EL CAJON JUST WASN'T ON THE LIST AND TO JUST RIGHT DOWN THE ROAD FROM ME, THEY WOULD GO SOMEWHERE ELSE.

THEY'D GO TO GAS LAMP.

SO THIS MAY BE A START AND GOING IN THAT DIRECTION BECAUSE IF GAS LAMP CAN DO IT, WHY CAN'T WE? WE GOT A, THERE'S A LOT, ACTUALLY A LOT OF MONEY, YOU KNOW, WITHIN 10 OR 15 MILES OF

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AND EVERYBODY THAT LIVES HERE WOULD RATHER NOT HAVE TO DRIVE ALL THE WAY DOWNTOWN AND UBER'S A LOT CHEAPER IF YOU'RE JUST GOING A FEW MILES RATHER THAN 18 MILES TO DOWNTOWN SAN DIEGO.

SO I, I THINK THIS IS A, A GOOD WAY TO GO.

I THINK IT'S REASONABLE AND, UH, LET'S GO FOR IT.

THANK YOU.

UH, I ASK A QUESTION WHICH COMES FIRST, THE, THE ENTERTAINMENT OR THE PEOPLE WHO DEMAND ENTERTAINMENT.

YOU COULD SAY, DO WE HAVE TO WAIT FOR MORE HOUSING AND PEOPLE WHO WILL DEMAND ENTERTAINMENT OPTIONS DOWNTOWN? OR DO YOU CREATE THE ENTERTAINMENT OPTIONS THAT WILL DRAW PEOPLE DOWNTOWN? I THINK WE CAN CREATE THE ENTERTAINMENT OPTIONS NOW.

PEOPLE MAY ASK, CAN EL CAJON SUPPORT REALLY KIND OF A BAR CONCEPT THAT WE'RE TRYING TO FIND? AND I THINK THE ANSWER IS YES.

IT'S JUST NOT DOWNTOWN BURNING.

BEARD BREWERY OVER IN THE INDUSTRIAL AREA IS A VERY SUCCESSFUL BREWERY.

UH, THE PEOPLE WHO TOOK OVER JUNCTION 52 REALLY TOOK A VERY SLEEPY RESTAURANT AND TURNED IT INTO A VIBRANT PACT, EXPANDED VENUE, UH, EVEN HERE ALONG MAIN STREET, MAIN TAP DID A BIG REMODEL.

SO I, I THINK, UH, WE CAN SHOW THAT THERE IS SUCCESS IN EL CAJON FOR THESE KIND OF PEOPLE.

I HAVE A COUPLE OF CONCERNS THAT I THINK THE PLANNING COMMISSION SHOULD ADDRESS.

STAFF SHOULD ADDRESS THE BOUNDARIES.

AS MR. DIMAGGIO SAID, WE DON'T WANT TO NECESSARILY LOOK FOR THIS SPECIFICALLY.

180 2 HAS VERY LARGE BOUNDARIES AND WE DON'T NECESSARILY WANT ONE DOWN BY, UH, PRIMROSE STREET AND MADISON RIGHT NEXT TO THE FREEWAY THAT DOESN'T REALLY DO ANYTHING FOR THE DOWNTOWN AREA.

SO I THINK THE STAFF COULD COME UP WITH DOWNTOWN BOUNDARIES.

NUMBER TWO, THE, THE NUMBER OF, UH, ESTABLISHMENTS, IT'S EASIER TO EXPAND THAN IT IS, THAN IT, IT'S HARD TO CONTRACT, IT'S EASY TO EXPAND.

IT WOULD BE HARD TO GO FROM FOUR TO TWO THAN IT IS TO GO FROM TWO TO FOUR.

SO I'D SUGGEST, HEY, LET'S THROW OUT A TWO AND SEE IS THERE ANY INTEREST IN TWO PEOPLE WHO WANNA DO SOMETHING DOWNTOWN? I'M CONCERNED IF WE THROW IT OUT TO FOUR OR SIX THAT WE MAY GET, UH, PEOPLE WHO AREN'T DOING THE SPIRIT OF THE PROJECT.