Aug 13, 2024 City Council Meeting 7pm

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LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WELCOME TO

[ CALL TO ORDER: Mayor Bill Wells]

THE MEETING IS CALLED TO ORDER.

I'D LIKE TO ASK OUR DEPUTY CITY CLERK TO PLEASE CALL THE ROLE ALL COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE PRESENT.

WOULD YOU PLEASE STAND WITH ME FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE AND THEN REMAIN STANDING AFTERWARDS? FOR A BRIEF MOMENT OF SILENCE, I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

I THANK YOU.

ALRIGHT, STAFF, DO YOU HAVE ANY AGENDA CHANGES? NO SIR.

COUNCIL MEMBERS AT THIS TIME, ANY PERSON MAY ADDRESS A MATTER WITHIN THE JURISDICTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL HOUSING AUTHORITY SUCCESSOR AGENCY TO THE ELCO AND REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY THAT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA.

COMMENTS RELATED TO ITEMS ON TODAY'S AGENDA ARE BE TAKEN AT THE TIME THAT THE ITEM IS HEARD.

STATE LAW PROHIBITS DISCUSSION OR ACTION ON ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA.

HOWEVER, COUNSEL AUTHORITY AND AGENCY MEMBERS MAY BRIEFLY RESPOND TO STATEMENTS OR QUESTIONS, AND AN ITEM MAY BE PLACED ON A FUTURE AGENDA.

JEN, DO YOU HAVE ANY CARDS UNDER PUBLIC COMMENT? THERE ARE NO SPEAKER CARDS, SIR.

ALRIGHT.

THERE ARE TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS ON TODAY'S

[100. Lennar Townhomes RECOMMENDATION: That the City Council: OPENS the public hearing and receives testimony; CLOSES the public hearing; Moves to ADOPT the next Resolution, in order, APPROVING the CEQA Determination; Moves to ADOPT the next Resolution, in order, APPROVING Site Development Plan Permit No. 2023-0009, subject to conditions; and Moves to ADOPT the next Resolution, in order, APPROVING Tentative Subdivision Map No. 2023-0011, subject to conditions.]

ITEM 100 IS REGARDING THE PROJECT FOR LENNAR TOWNHOMES, AND I'LL ASK OUR STAFF TO PLEASE INTRODUCE THIS ITEM.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

MY NAME IS MIKE VILLONE, SENIOR PLANNER WITH THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT.

UH, THE ITEM BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING IS THE LENNAR TOWN HOMES PROJECT.

PROJECT APPLICATIONS INCLUDE A SITE DEVELOPMENT PLAN PERMIT, UH, OR SDP PROPOSING A COMMON INTEREST PROJECT WITH 132 MARKET RATE TOWN HOMES, UH, AND A TENTATIVE SUBDIVISION MAP PROPOSING A ONE LOT SUBDIVISION WITH A HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION OR HOA.

THE SITE IS ADDRESSED AS 10 50 THROUGH 10 58 EAST MAIN STREET AND IS SHOWN HERE ON BLUE, IN BLUE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF EAST MAIN STREET BETWEEN NORTH MOLLISON AVENUE AND NORTH FIRST STREET.

THE SITE IS ROUGHLY 6.4 ACRES AND SLOPES DOWN FROM EAST MAIN STREET TOWARD EL CAJON VALLEY HIGH SCHOOL TO THE NORTH.

OTHER ADJACENT USES INCLUDE A MOBILE HOME PARK TO THE WEST AND VARIOUS COMMERCIAL USES TO THE EAST AND SOUTH.

THE PROPERTY IS DESIGNATED GENERAL COMMERCIAL IN THE GENERAL PLAN AND A ZONE GENERAL COMMERCIAL WITH THE MIXED USE OVERLAY.

THESE DESIGNATIONS ALLOW FOR RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT UP TO 40 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE WITH NO COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT REQUIREMENT WITH, UH, 132 UNITS ON A 6.4 ACRE SITE.

PROPOSED DENSITY IS JUST UNDER DWELLING 21 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE.

THE SITE IS IDENTIFIED IN THE HOUSING ELEMENT SITE'S INVENTORY, UH, WHICH ANTICIPATES 209 DWELLING UNITS, UH, AT THE PROPERTY.

A SURPLUS OF PLANNED HOUSING AT THIS DENSITY EXISTS AND THE REMAINING SITES IDENTIFIED IN THE HOUSING ELEMENT ARE SUFFICIENT TO COMPLY WITH STATE LAW.

THE PROJECT CAN THEREFORE BE FOUND CONSISTENT WITH THE GENERAL PLAN.

THE SITE PLAN INCLUDES 23 BUILDINGS, UH, IN TWO DISTINCT FORMATS CALLED CARRIAGE, TOWN HOMES AND REAR LOADED TOWN HOMES.

THESE BUILDINGS CONTAIN A TOTAL OF 45 2 BEDROOM UNITS, 73 BEDROOM UNITS AND 17 FOUR BEDROOM UNITS.

UNITS RANGE IN SIZE FROM APPROXIMATELY 1200 SQUARE FEET TO 1900 SQUARE FEET, UH, AND UNIVERSALLY INCLUDE A TWO CAR GARAGE, A DECORATIVE PROJECT ENTRANCE WITH A 30 FOOT WIDE, UH, PRIVATE DRIVEWAY.

NEAR THE PROJECT MIDPOINT PROVIDES ACCESS TO A SMALL NETWORK OF FIRE CODE COMPLIANT PRIVATE DRIVES, COURTS, AND PEDESTRIAN PATHS.

28 ADDITIONAL OFF STREET PARKING SPACES ARE ALSO PROVIDED.

ESSENTIAL COMMON RECREATION AREA IS INCLUDED AND FEATURES A PLAYGROUND PING PONG TABLE, SEATING AREA WITH SHADE STRUCTURE AND BARBECUES.

UH, ADDITIONALLY, THERE ARE TWO OPEN TURF AREAS AND TWO ADDITIONAL COURTYARDS AT THE NORTH END OF THE PROJECT.

IMPORT FILL SOIL IS PROPOSED TO RAISE THE NORTHERLY PORTION OF THE SITE UP TO EIGHT FEET TO PROVIDE FOR GRAVITY FLOW OF WASTEWATER AND STORMWATER.

NOTABLY, THE PROPOSED PRIVATE DRAINAGE SYSTEM CONNECTS TO NORTH MOLLISON AVENUE, UH, AND INCLUDES IMPROVEMENTS TO EL CAJON VALLEY HIGH SCHOOL.

THIS SLIDE SHOWS THE CARRIAGE TOWN HOMES WITH DRY VIALS LOCATED BETWEEN THE BUILDINGS.

THESE ELEVATIONS FACE OUTWARD TOWARDS THE EAST AND WEST BUILDINGS ARE CONTEMPORARY IN DESIGN AND INCORPORATE STUCCO, HORIZONTAL SIDING AND BOARD AND BATTEN SIDING ELEMENTS IN WHITES AND GRAYS

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ALL PROJECT BUILDINGS ARE THREE STORIES WITH A MAXIMUM ANTICIPATED HEIGHT OF 37 FEET, 10 INCHES, UH, MEASURED FROM GRADE.

THE HEIGHT LIMITATION FOR THE PROJECT IS 45 FEET, UH, EXCEPT WITHIN AREAS, UH, WITHIN A HUNDRED FEET OF THE ADJACENT, UH, MOBILE HOME PARK, WHICH ARE RESIDENTIALLY ZONED.

UH, WHERE THE HEIGHT LIMIT IS 35 FEET.

THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING ADMINISTRATIVE LEAVE FOR THE BUILDING HEIGHT WITHIN THIS 35 FOOT AREA.

ALSO NOTE HOWEVER, THAT THE COUNTER, UH, CARRIAGE TOWN HOMES INCLUDE HIP ROOFS THAT SLOPE DOWN TOWARD THE LEFT AND RIGHT ELEVATIONS, UH, TO REDUCE OVERALL BUILDING BULK ALONG LOT LINES.

THE RELOADED TOWN HOMES ARE SHOWN HERE AS SEEN FROM THE PROJECT.

INTERIOR STRUCTURES ARE WELL ARTICULATED AND VISUAL INTEREST IS ENHANCED ACROSS ALL ELEVATIONS WITH ADDITIONAL ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS SUCH AS FOAM TRIM BANDING AND WINDOWS WITH DECORATIVE TRIMS AND SILLS PITCHED ASPHALT COMPOSITE SHINGLE ROOFS ARE PROPOSED ACROSS PROJECT BUILDINGS, HOWEVER, A CONDITION REQUIRING CEMENTITIOUS ROOFING, UH, IS INCLUDED TO ENSURE COMMUNITY APPEARANCE IS ENHANCED OVER THE LONG TERM.

IN ORDER TO FACILITATE PROJECT DESIGN, THE APPLICANT REQUESTS RELIEF FROM MIXED USE OVERLAY STANDARDS, WHICH CITY COUNCIL MAY GRANT, UH, IF PROJECT APPEARANCE AND ADJACENT USES ARE NOT ADVERSELY AFFECTED.

THE APPLICATION PROPOSES REDUCTIONS TO THE OFF STREET PARKING RATE AND CERTAIN DRIVE VILE DIMENSIONS, UPPER FLOOR TRANSPARENCY AND FRONTAGE ACTIVATION FEATURES, WHICH ARE DESIGN REQUIREMENTS, UH, AND INCREASE BUILDING HEIGHT.

STAFF BELIEVE THAT THESE REQUESTS WILL NOT RESULT IN NEGATIVE IMPACTS TO PROJECT APPEARANCE NOR BURDEN ADJACENT USES, UH, AS DETAILED IN THE AGENDA REPORT FINDINGS.

CRITICALLY, UH, THE SITE PLANNING INCLUDES INCREASED SETBACKS, A LANDSCAPE BUFFER AND HIP ROOFS FOR THE 37 FOOT 10 INCH TALL STRUCTURES IN THE 35 HEIGHT, 35 FOOT HEIGHT LIMIT, UH, TO SOFTEN BUILDING MASSING.

SIMILARLY, THE APPLICATION PROPOSES 292 OFF STREET PARKING SPACES WHERE 307 ARE REQUIRED.

THE PROPOSED OFF STREET PARKING RATE IS CONSISTENT WITH RECENTLY APPROVED TOWNHOME PROJECTS, INCLUDING 300 EL CAJON BOULEVARD, UH, AND THE SUSTAINABILITY INITIATIVE POLICIES ENCOURAGING REDUCED PARKING RATES IN THE MIXED-USE OVERLAY ZONE.

UH, NOTE ALSO THAT BICYCLE RACKS ARE PROPOSED AND ON STREET PARKING IS AVAILABLE ON EAST MAIN STREET.

ON JULY 16TH, 2024, PLANNING COMMISSION HELD A DULY NOTICE PUBLIC HEARING.

IN ADDITION TO THE APPLICANT, THERE WERE TWO PUBLIC SPEAKERS.

ONE SPEAKER HIGHLIGHTED CONCERNS REGARDING PARKING.

THE OTHER SPEAKER CITED POTENTIAL BUSINESS AND NEIGHBORHOOD REVITALIZATION BENEFITS PLANNING COMMISSION EXPRESSED SUPPORT FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE LONG VACANT PROPERTY AND ULTIMATELY VOTED UNANIMOUSLY TO RECOMMEND CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL.

THE PROJECT WAS REVIEWED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ACT, UH, AND DETERMINED TO BE A SUBSEQUENT ACTIVITY UNDER THE SCOPE OF THE PREVIOUSLY CERTIFIED FINAL ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT PREPARED FOR THE HOUSING ELEMENT REZONING PROGRAM, WHICH ACCOMPANIED THE MIXED USE OVERLAY ZONE.

NO PUBLIC COMMENTS WERE RECEIVED AFTER THE PUBLICATION OF THIS AGENDA REPORT AND ALL FINDINGS NECESSARY TO APPROVE THE SITE DEVELOPMENT PLAN PERMIT TENTATIVE SUBDIVISION MAP, UH, CAN BE MADE AS OUTLINED IN THE AGENDA REPORT.

UH, STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE CITY COUNCIL ADOPT THE NEXT RESOLUTIONS IN ORDER APPROVING THE SE DETERMINATION, SITE DEVELOPMENT PLAN PERMIT AND TENTATIVE SUB SUBDIVISION MAP SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS.

THIS CONCLUDES STAFF'S REPORT.

UH, I ALSO WANNA NOTE THAT THE REPRESENTATIVE LENAR HOLMES IS HERE.

SHOULD YOU HAVE ANY, UH, DAVID SHEPHERD, SHOULD YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

NICE REPORT.

UH, ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS FOR THE STAFF? GO WHAT'S, UH, GO OVER THE ROOF AGAIN BECAUSE I HEARD THE CEMENTS PRODUCT AND I HEARD ASPHALT SHINGLES.

SURE.

THE APPLICANT PROPOSES, UH, IN THEIR DRAWINGS ASPHALT SHINGLE, UH, BUT BASED ON CITY COUNCIL, UH, DECISIONS IN THE PAST AND SIMILAR PLANNING COMMISSION DECISIONS IN THE PAST, UM, CEMENTITIOUS, UH, ESSENTIALLY LIKE CONCRETE TILE ROOFING HAS BEEN REQUIRED FOR LARGER PROJECTS TO ENSURE THAT THE APPEARANCE IS, IS, UH, GOOD AND ENHANCES THE COMMUNITY OVER THE LONG, LONG TERM.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

MM-HMM, , GO AHEAD.

HI, MIKE.

THANK YOU.

GOOD PRESENTATION.

I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS.

DID THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT HAVE ANY CHANGES? THEY RECOMMENDED ONE OF THE, UM, PLANNING COMMISSION.

NO, NO CHANGES WERE RECOMMENDED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

UM, LET'S TALK ABOUT THE TRANSPARENCIES.

YOU KNOW, WHERE 30% IS ACQUIRED IN SOME CASES THERE'S LESS THAN 30%.

ARE THOSE FACING EAST AND WEST, NORTH AND SOUTH? WHAT CAN YOU TELL ME? SO IN, IN SOME RESPECTS, UH, THEY ARE FACING OUTWARD.

I'VE, UM,

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SO FROM, UM, EAST MAIN STREET, THIS WOULD BE YOUR ELEVATION.

UM, IT DOES, UH, THE TOP STORY IS SHORT ON, UH, GLAZING.

UM, I THINK THE REQUIREMENT IS 30%, WHICH IS PRETTY SIGNIFICANT FOR, UH, A PUBLIC STREET FACING ELEVATION.

OTHERWISE, THE REQUIREMENT IS 20%.

UM, WE WORKED WITH THE APPLICANT, UH, TO ADDRESS THIS COMMENT.

WE MADE THIS COMMENT IN, I THINK THE FIRST REVIEW CYCLE, UM, AND WE MET, UH, AND THEY HAD PREPARED A RESPONSIVE SET OF PLANS.

AND, UM, IT WAS CLEAR LOOKING AT THE, THE REVISED PLAN SETS THAT TO FORCE THE ADDITIONAL GLAZING DIDN'T NECESSARILY, UM, IMPROVE THE OVERALL PROJECT APPEARANCE.

UM, BUT AGAIN, I, I, THE APPLICANT IS HERE AND HE CAN PROBABLY SPEAK TO, UM, THE SORT OF DESIGN, UH, AESTHETIC THAT THEY'RE GOING FOR.

BUT IN TERMS OF WHAT A PACE IS, UH, APPEARS OUTWARD.

SO IN THIS, UM, ELEVATION YOU HAVE THE, UH, REAR LOAD TO TOWN HOMES ON THE BOTTOM RIGHT.

THAT'S WHAT YOU WOULD SEE FROM, UH, EAST MAIN STREET.

UH, THE TOP LEFT IS WHAT YOU WOULD SEE ALONG THE EAST AND WEST ELEVATIONS.

UM, AND NOTE TOO THAT IT'S, IT'S REALLY THE GROUND FLOOR, UM, IS, IS SORT OF SCREENED BY YOUR TYPICAL SCREENING FENCE FOR THE PROJECT HERE YOU'D HAVE THE, UH, BACK TO BACK UNITS, UM, THE CARRIAGE UNITS, UH, THE OUTWARD, UH, APPEARANCE WOULD BE ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE.

SO THAT'S WHAT YOU WOULD SEE FROM THE, THE PROJECT EAST AND WEST.

AND THEN THIS IS THE SIX, UH, UNIT REAR LOADED, UM, WHICH IS AT THE NORTH END OF THE PROJECT IN VARIOUS ORIENTATIONS.

UM, THE TOP LEFT IS WHAT YOU WOULD SEE, UM, SORT OF, I BELIEVE AT THE NORTHWEST AND TO THE NORTH.

AND THEN, UM, ON THE BOTTOM RIGHT THAT THAT ELEVATION ALSO FACES TO THE NORTH.

OKAY.

AND I THINK I'VE LEARNED FROM THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT THAT SOMETIMES THE 30% RULE, UH, MIGHT BE DIFFERENT FOR, UH, MULTI-FAMILY IN THE SENSE OF HOW DO I DESCRIBE THIS BLOCK? OR, OR, YOU KNOW.

RIGHT.

SO ONE STORY, MULTIPLE LAYERS VERSUS ROW HOMES OR SOMETHING.

WHAT CAN YOU TELL ME? RIGHT.

SO, UM, THE, THE DESIGN STANDARDS THAT ARE CODIFIED FOR THE MIXED USE OVERLAY REALLY ANTICIPATE, UM, SORT OF WHAT YOU MIGHT CALL STACKED FLATS OR, OR TYPICAL APARTMENT STYLE BUILDINGS, WHICH ARE, YOU KNOW, A SINGLE SORT OF, UH, MORE MONOLITHIC STRUCTURE VERSUS, UH, THE TOWN HOME OR ROW HOMES.

AND THESE ARE, ARE PRETTY CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE'VE SEEN AT, UM, OTHER PROJECTS IN THE CITY, INCLUDING 300 EL CAJON BOULEVARD AND, AND MELODY LANE.

YEP.

OKAY.

WHAT, LET'S TALK ABOUT PARKING FOR A SECOND.

MM-HMM.

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UM, ARE THERE ANY RULES TO PROHIBIT, UH, RESIDENTS FROM USING THEIR GARAGES AS STORAGE SPACES THUS NECESSITATING THEM TO PUT THEIR CAR SOMEWHERE ELSE? YES.

STANDARD CONDITIONS, UH, FOR, UM, THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION, UH, IN COMMON INTEREST DEVELOPMENTS IN, IN THE CITY OF EL CAJON TYPICALLY INCLUDE A PROHIBITION ON USING THE SPACE FOR ANYTHING OTHER THAN, UH, GARAGE PARKING.

SO, YES, SO THAT WOULD BE A CODE ENFORCEMENT THING, OR REALLY AN HOA ENFORCEMENT FIRST IT'S AN HOA REQUIREMENT, AND THEN THAT'S A PROBLEM.

THEN A CODE ENFORCEMENT THING, IT, IT'S PRIMARILY THE H HO A'S RESPONSIBILITY TO ENFORCE THAT REQUIREMENT.

OKAY.

SOUNDS GOOD.

NOW YOU HAD, ONE OF YOUR FIRST SLIDES WAS KIND OF A LAYOUT, UM, MAYBE THE VERY FIRST SLIDE, KIND OF A AERIAL VIEW OF THE PROJECT.

OH, THERE IT IS.

GO BACK ONE.

NOPE, KEEP GOING FORWARD AND STOP.

OKAY.

UH, FOR THIS DISCUSSION, I'LL SAY THAT THE VERTICAL LINES, I'M GONNA CALL THEM ARTERIAL, UH, DRIVEWAYS, AND I THINK THEY'RE LIKE 30 FEET WIDE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

THEY'RE MINIMUM 24 FEET WIDE.

OKAY.

AND THEN THE SIDE, UH, THINGS WHERE CARS GO INTO TO, TO GET INTO THE GARAGE, THEY'RE ANYWHERE FROM 16 TO 20 FEET OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? THAT'S CORRECT.

THE ACTUAL PAVED DRIVING SURFACE OF THE EAST AND WEST, WE, WE WOULD CALL THEM COURTS.

THE DEAD ENDS, UM, RANGE BETWEEN 16 FEET AND 20 FEET.

THE ONLY ONES THAT ARE 20 FEET ARE THE ONES THAT ARE NECESSARY TO PROVIDE FIRE DEPARTMENT ACCESS FOR TURNAROUNDS.

AND GOT IT.

UH, IN, IN TALKING ABOUT THE REAL WORLD, BECAUSE THERE'S 28 GUEST SPOTS, UH, ONE OF THE POINTS OF VIEW COULD BE THAT 28 GUEST SPOTS ISN'T ENOUGH FOR 132 UNITS.

ANOTHER POINT OF VIEW IS NOT ALL THE GUESTS USED THE SPOTS AT THE SAME TIME, UH, MAYBE FOR MAJOR EVENTS, UH, HOLIDAYS, UH, THINGS LIKE THAT, I'VE COME TO LEARN.

SO THE PRACTICAL THING WOULD BE IF SOMEBODY SAID, HEY, COME VISIT, UH, THEY WOULD PROBABLY SAY, JUST PARK IN FRONT OF MY GARAGE.

BUT EVEN IF THAT HAPPENED,

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AM I THINKING CORRECTLY, IF THEY DO THIS, I STILL HAVE EMERGENCY ACCESS? IS THAT THAT'S CORRECT.

SO THE 16 FOOT WIDE STREETS, UM, AREN'T NECESSARY AT ALL FOR FIRE DEPARTMENT ACCESS.

THOSE ARE WITHIN 150 FEET, UM, WHICH IS THE DIMENSION OF A HOSE.

YEP.

UH, FROM THOSE SORT OF THAT CIRCULAR SQUARE, UH, CENTRAL DRIVE.

RIGHT.

AND LET'S TALK ABOUT THE WEST SIDE FACING THE MOBILE HOME PARK FOR A SECOND.

MM-HMM.

, I THINK I SAW THAT, UM, YOU SET THE PROJECT BACK AN ADDITIONAL NUMBER OF FEET, SO THAT WASN'T RIGHT ON TOP OF THE MOBILE HOME PARK.

WHAT CAN YOU TELL ME ABOUT THAT? THAT'S CORRECT.

STAFF HAD ARTICULATED CONCERNS ABOUT, UM, A SORT OF A LOOMING EFFECT TO, UM, THE APPLICANT, UM, BASED ON THE PROPOSED PROJECT HEIGHT AND THE ADJACENT RESIDENCES, UM, THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSED SOLUTION WAS TO, UM, TRY TO SOFTEN THAT EDGE THROUGH A NUMBER OF STRATEGIES THAT INCLUDE IT, UH, INCREASING THE SETBACK FROM FIVE FEET TO, UM, THE NEAREST POINT OF THE BUILDING IS 14 FEET.

UM, BUT THE UPPER STORIES ARE, ARE EVEN MORE.

UM, AND THEN ALSO PROVIDING FOR, UM, SORT OF A RETAINING WALL, UH, WHICH INCLUDES LANDSCAPING TO FACE THE, UH, MOBILE HOME PARK, AND THEN THE, UM, SITE SCREENING FENCE TO CREATE A SOFTER TRANSITION.

AND THEN I HAD PREVIOUSLY REFERENCED THE HIP ROOFS, WHICH ESSENTIALLY SLOPED DOWNWARDS FROM THE ULTIMATE PEAK AND KIND OF SHRINK THE BUILDING AS IT APPROACHES THE LOT.

YEP.

OKAY.

SO THEY COULD HAVE GONE AS CLOSE AS FIVE FEET BY CODE, BUT YOU ASKED THEM TO GO BACK TO 14 FEET, SO THEY'RE NOT RIGHT ON TOP OF THE MOBILE HOME PARK.

CORRECT.

WE HAD, WE HAD ASKED THEM TO, TO, UM, UPDATE THEIR PROJECT DESIGN TO CONSIDER THE IMPACTS TO THE NEIGHBOR, AND THIS WAS ACTUALLY THEIR PROPOSED SOLUTION.

AND ON THE WEST FACING SIDE, ARE THERE ANY PORCHES OR ANY OF THOSE KIND OF THINGS? THERE ARE, UM, UPPER STORY DECKS, UM, WHICH YOU CAN SEE IN THIS IMAGE.

UH, SO THE GROUND FLOOR IS ESSENTIALLY AN ENTRY.

THE UP UPPER STORY IS THE, UM, THE REQUIRED, UH, PRIVATE PATIO SPACE ESSENTIALLY FOR THE UNIT.

OTHERWISE, UM, THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF ACCOMMODATION ON THE BACK END WITHOUT NARROWING, UM, THE REQUIRED DRY VIOL WIDTHS AND SO FORTH.

DID YOU RECEIVE ANY COMMENTS FROM RESIDENTS OF THE MOBILE HOME PARK ABOUT THIS DESIGN RELATED TO THEIR, WE RECEIVED NO PUBLIC COMMENTS OTHER THAN THOSE AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION HEARING.

OKAY.

I THINK THAT COVERS ALL MY QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU.

THANKS, STEVE.

ANYTHING? I'M PHIL.

MY NAME IS PHIL .

NICE TO MEET YOU.

NICE TO MEET YOU, MR. MAYOR.

UM, STEVE TOOK ALL MY QUESTIONS IS, BUT I DO HAVE ONE, IS THERE A GATE, UM, IN THE FRONT ENTRANCE? THE PROJECT IS GATED.

YES.

OKAY.

THANK YOU, MICHELLE.

OKAY, WELL THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

APPRECIATE THAT.

DO WE HAVE ANY, UM, SPEAKER CARDS ON THIS ITEM? THERE ARE TWO SPEAKER CARDS.

THE FIRST SPEAKER IS DAVID SHEPHERD.

MR. SHEPHERD, HOW ARE YOU? VERY GOOD.

GOOD EVENING MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBERS DAVID SHEPHERD WITH LENNAR HOMES.

JUST WANTED TO COME HERE, HERE BRIEFLY AND, AND SAY THANK YOU TO YOU AND YOUR STAFF FOR ALLOWING US TO COME IN, BRING THIS FORWARD.

WE'RE REALLY EXCITED TO BE IN ELCON.

THIS IS OUR FIRST TIME HERE, SO I JUST WANNA TELL YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT LENNAR.

UM, WE, UH, TAKE A LOT OF PRIDE IN THE COMMUNITIES WE BUILD AND WORKING WITH THE NEIGHBORS, AND WE'VE DONE THAT HERE.

WE'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH THE MOBILE HOME PARK.

WE'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH THE BUSINESSES ON OUR, ON THE EAST EDGE AND ALSO WITH THE HIGH SCHOOL IMMEDIATELY NORTH OF US.

AND THEN THERE'VE BEEN HEALTHY, GOOD CONVERSATIONS, UM, WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT.

WE THINK THIS IS GONNA REVITALIZE THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND BE PART OF THE CATALYST FOR WHAT THE CITY'S VISION IS FOR MAIN STREET, AND WE'RE HAPPY TO BE A PART OF THAT.

UM, WORKFORCE HOUSING IS REALLY AN IMPORTANT THING THROUGHOUT SAN DIEGO, AND ESPECIALLY HERE IN EL CAJON.

WE'RE HAPPY TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THAT.

THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO WITH THIS, THIS NEW COMMUNITY HERE.

UM, AGAIN, VERY EXCITED TO BE HERE.

UM, HOME OWNERSHIP DOES A LOT FOR PRIDE IN THE COMMUNITY, AND WE FEEL THAT'S GONNA GO A LONG WAYS WITH THIS, WITH THIS PROPOSAL, VERY BRIEFLY, UM, WE'RE BALANCING THE NEED FOR, FOR WHAT THE COMMUNITY NEEDS WITH THOUGHTFUL PLANNING AND DESIGN.

MIKE DID A LOT OF A GREAT JOB DESCRIBING EVERYTHING WE'VE DONE AND WORKING WITH STAFF, AND AGAIN, THE NEIGHBORS AND, AND CONSIDERATION FOR OUR NEIGHBORS.

UM, NEW MARKET RATE FOR SALE HOUSING, REALLY TRYING TO MAKE 'EM ATTAINABLE.

UM, WE'VE ALSO DONE SOME WORK ON DRAINAGE FOR BOTH THE HIGH SCHOOL OURSELVES AND, UH, OUR NEIGHBORS TO THE EAST.

AND THEN AGAIN, WITH THE IMPROVED STREET SCENE AND, AND THE NEW HOMES.

WE REALLY THINK THAT'S GONNA DO A LOT FOR, FOR MAIN STREET.

JUST WANNA THANK YOU AGAIN

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AND I'M HAPPY TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS.

LEMME CHECK, ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

QUESTIONS NOTE, WELCOME TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

THANK YOU.

OKAY.

ANYBODY ELSE? OUR SECOND SPEAKER IS ROB ICK.

HELLO ROB.

WELCOME.

THANK YOU.

GOOD EVENING, MR. MAYOR.

AND COUNSEL.

UM, MY NAME'S ROB ICK.

UM, I LEARNED ABOUT THIS PROJECT ACTUALLY FROM A PATIENT OF MINE.

UM, I'M A PHYSICAL THERAPIST.

I OWN AND OPERATE A PHYSICAL THERAPY CLINIC ON GREENFIELD, JUST A COUPLE MILES DOWN FROM WHERE THE PROJECT SITE IS.

AND, UH, I WAS EXCITED TO HEAR ABOUT, UM, SOME NEW HOUSES COMING INTO THE AREA BECAUSE IF I WERE HONEST, UM, SOMETIMES IT CAN BE DIFFICULT TO ATTRACT GOOD, TALENTED THERAPISTS TO THE AREA.

UM, SO I LIKE, UH, THE OPPORTUNITY FOR NEW HOUSING OPTIONS CLOSE BY.

UM, AND, UH, FINALLY, I, I, I ALSO LIKE, UM, THAT THEY'RE FOR SALE BECAUSE, UM, YOU KNOW, AS A HOMEOWNER MYSELF, I, I UNDERSTAND THE PRIDE OF HOME OWNERSHIP.

UM, AND I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD, UM, IN THE CONTINUING REVITALIZATION OF THAT, THAT PART OF MAIN STREET.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

THERE ARE NO OTHER SPEAKER CARDS.

OKAY.

UM, I'LL BRING IT BACK TO CITY COUNCIL.

UM, MORE DISCUSSION OR SOMEBODY LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION.

YEAH.

UM, ONE THING I THINK WE SHOULD DO, AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE'VE BEEN DOING FOR ABOUT AT LEAST 20 YEARS, IS REQUIRES CEMENT, CEMENTS ROOF ON THE SIZE OF DEVELOPMENT.

IT REALLY ADDS TO THE VALUE AND IT, IT LOOKS REALLY GOOD AND IT LASTS, YOU KNOW, A LONG TI YOU KNOW, 40 YEARS OR EVEN 50 YEARS RATHER THAN HAVE A COMPOSITION SHINGLE ROOF.

AND THIS COUNCIL'S BEEN PRETTY, UH, CONSISTENT AND LARGE PROJECTS AND REQUIRING THAT, IF I MIGHT INTERJECT, UM, THE DRAFT RESOLUTION DOES INCLUDE A, A CONDITION REQUIRING THAT.

I'M SORRY IF I WAS NOT CLEAR.

OKAY, GREAT.

YOU READ MY MIND.

THANK YOU.

WHAT ELSE, STEVE? UM, CONDOS ARE GREAT.

WE, WE HAD SOMEBODY HERE THREE WEEKS AGO THAT TALKED ABOUT APARTMENTS AND THEY SAID THERE WAS NO MARKET FOR CONDOS.

UH, THE, THE DIFFICULTIES OF MULTIPLE OWNERS ON A, ON A PARCEL.

SO IT'S GREAT TO HEAR THAT YOU'VE MADE THIS WORK SOMEHOW THAT'S, THAT'S GOOD FOR THE COMMUNITY.

AS THE SPEAKER SAID.

UH, HOME OWNERSHIP IS GREAT AND I THINK THAT'S FANTASTIC.

I THINK IT'S AN IMPROVEMENT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

I THINK I READ THE DRAINAGE IS GOING BACK TOWARDS EL CAJON VALLEY HIGH SCHOOL ALL THE WAY OUT TO MOISON, I THINK IT IS, WHICH IS A, A BIG IMPROVEMENT.

AND THEN WE'VE GOT SOME IMPROVEMENTS OUT ON, UH, MAINE AS WELL.

UH, IT'S A GREAT DEVELOPMENT THAT THING'S BEEN SAT VACANT FOR PROBABLY 40 YEARS, UH, DUE TO JUST CIRCUMSTANCES.

UM, HOW LONG DID IT TAKE YOU TO GO FROM WHEN YOU SAID, OKAY, THIS IS OUR PROPERTY TO WHERE WE'RE AT TODAY? DO YOU HAVE SOME THOUGHTS? SO, UM, WE STARTED DISCUSSIONS WITH THE, UH, PROPERTY OWNERS OF ABOUT A YEAR, YEAR AND A HALF AGO.

UM, AND THEN WENT THROUGH A DUE DILIGENCE PROCESS WHERE WE HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS WITH STAFF AND INVESTIGATED OURSELF WITH OUR DESIGN PROFESSIONALS.

THEN CAME FORWARD, WE MADE OUR FIRST SUBMITTAL TO CITY STAFF IN EARLY DECEMBER, AND HERE WE ARE TODAY.

SO ABOUT A YEAR, YEAR AND A HALF.

AND, BUT NOT MUCH OF THAT TIME WAS SPENT IN THE FORMAL APPLICATION PROCESS.

CITY STAFF LAID OUT FOR US DURING DUE DILIGENCE WHAT WE NEEDED TO DO TO, TO MEET A CERTAIN TIMELINE.

AND THEY MADE COMMITMENTS TO US, AND WE FOLLOWED.

THEY TOLD US, IF YOU DO THE FOLLOWING, WE CAN GET YOU IN FRONT OF COUNCIL BY THIS DAY IF YOU DO THE FOLLOWING THINGS.

AND WE WERE ABLE TO WORK COLLABORATIVELY WITH STAFF AND GET THERE THAT, THAT'S REAL CREDIT TO YOU AND YOUR STAFF FOR, FOR FOLLOWING THROUGH THAT COMMITMENT.

'CAUSE THAT DOESN'T ALWAYS HAPPEN.

THAT'S GOOD TO HEAR.

YEARS AGO, ANDY PUZDER WAS THE CEO OF CARLS JR.

HE SAID, IF I HAVE TWO BEAR LOTS OF LAND, ONE IN TEXAS AND ONE IN CALIFORNIA, I CAN BE OPEN AND GETTING MY FIRST DOLLARS THROUGH THE DRIVE THROUGH IN SIX MONTHS IN TEXAS, AND IT'LL TAKE ME AT LEAST TWO YEARS YEAH.

UH, TO GET TO THAT POINT IN, IN CALIFORNIA.

SO IT'S GREAT TO HEAR THAT WE'RE MOVING THIS QUICKLY.

UH, AS WELL, I'M SURE YOU'RE AWARE WE DON'T HAVE ANY DEVELOPMENT IMPACT FEES HERE IN EL CAJON.

AND ON 132 UNITS, THAT'S A LITTLE OVER $3 MILLION THAT YOU WOULD PAY IN ANY OTHER CITY AROUND US.

YEP.

UH, SO THAT IS A GIFT FROM THE TAXPAYERS OF EL CAJON.

MM-HMM.

TO SAY, UH, WE WANT TO SEE MORE DEVELOPMENTS LIKE THIS IN THE CITY.

AND WE'RE, WE'RE VERY PLEASED THAT YOU HAVE CHOSEN US, AND HOPE YOU DO.

AGAIN.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

WE'RE EXCITED TO, TO BRING THE COMMUNITY TO FRUITION.

DAVE, DAVE, THANK YOU SO

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UM, I THINK THIS IS A PERFECT PROJECT FOR EL CAJON.

WE'VE SAID FOR A LONG TIME, MARKET RATE CONDOS ARE EXACTLY WHAT THE CITY NEEDS.

NOT ONLY, UM, FOR THE EXACT REASON THAT OUR SPEAKER SAID, UM, THAT WAS LOOKING TO ATTRACT, UH, MORE EMPLOYEES, GOOD EMPLOYEES, BUT, UM, I'M A PRODUCT OF BEING ABLE TO BUY A TOWN HOME, AND TOWN HOMES ALLOW YOU TO MOVE UP IN LIFE.

UM, IT ALLOWS HOME OWNERSHIP.

I THINK THE MEDIUM HOME PRICE IN EL CAJON IS $979,000.

UM, THAT'S FOR A SINGLE FAMILY HOME.

AND CONDOS ALLOW YOU TO MOVE FROM LOWER CLASS TO MIDDLE CLASS, MIDDLE CLASS TO UPPER MIDDLE CLASS, AND MAYBE UPPER CLASS ONE DAY.

AND WITHOUT THAT STEP IN THE LADDER, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO SKIP A STEP, UM, TO GET THAT MASSIVE DOWN PAYMENT.

AND I'M A PRODUCT OF THAT, OF, OF BEING ABLE TO BUY A CONDO.

UM, SO, UM, WE NEED MORE HOMES BUILT.

THE STATE SAYS WE NEED MORE HOMES BUILT, ALTHOUGH I WOULD ARGUE THAT THEY'RE NOT DOING TOO MUCH TO HELP US DO THAT.

UM, BUT TH THIS KIND OF DEVELOPMENT IS EXACTLY WHAT WE NEED.

IT INCREASES OUR PROPERTY TAXES WITHOUT HAVING TO RAISE OTHER TAXES SO WE CAN CONTINUE FUNDING POLICE AND FIRE.

UM, HOMEOWNERS HAVE HELPED IMPROVE THE ECONOMY.

WE HAVE 132 MORE HOMEOWNERS HOUSEHOLDS SPENDING MONEY WITHIN EL CAJON, GOING TO OUR RESTAURANTS, GOING TO TARGET, GOING TO WALMART, UM, AND, UH, IT, IT, IT, IT OVERALL IS GONNA IMPROVE THE BLIGHT OF AN EMPTY LOT.

WE, THAT, THAT SAT THERE AS COUNCIL MEMBER GOBEL SAID, FOR 40 YEARS.

SO, UM, WE HOPE WE THANK YOU FOR COMING TO EL CAJON, AND LIKE STEVE SAID, WE HOPE YOU LOOK FOR MORE LOTS AND CONTINUE TRANSFORMING OUR CITY.

SO, THANK YOU.

EXCUSE ME, SIR, WE DID RECEIVE ONE MORE SPEAKER CARD FROM KATHLEEN SHORT.

SURE.

COME UP, KATHLEEN.

HELLO.

HI.

I WAS JUST WONDERING WHAT, UM, WHEN IT SAYS PROVIDES NEW MARKET RATE, I LIVE IN THE CONDOS THAT ARE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE MOBILE HOMES, AND SO WE, WE LOOK RIGHT ON THAT FIELD.

I WAS WONDERING, WHAT, WHAT KIND, WELL, HOW IS IT GONNA AFFECT THE PRICES OF OUR CONDOS? UM, STEPH, YOU WANT TO ADDRESS THAT AND ALSO THAT THERE'S NOT THAT MUCH PARKING ON MAIN STREET THERE.

'CAUSE ALL THE BIG RIGS THAT WERE, THAT LIVE IN THE MOBILE HOMES, THEY PARK THERE.

WE, WE DON'T ANALYZE HOW ONE PROJECT MAY HAVE AN ECONOMIC IMPACT ON THE OTHERS.

WE DO KNOW THAT THIS WILL BE A, A LARGE INFUSION OF CAPITAL INTO THE COMMUNITY.

AND SO WE CAN IMAGINE THAT THERE ARE GONNA BE SOME OTHER REDEVELOPMENT PROJECTS IN THE AREA.

TYPICALLY, WHEN REDEVELOPMENT OCCURS, THE, THE TIDE RAISES ALL BOATS.

AND SO THERE SHOULD HAVE A POSITIVE EFFECT.

Y YOU KNOW, AND I THINK IN, IN A CITY LIKE EL CAJON AND NATIONAL CITY ESCONDIDO THAT HAS OLDER SECTIONS, SOME BLIGHTED SECTIONS, UM, THIS IS THE BEST WAY TO IN, IN IMPROVE THE OVERALL QUALITY OF THE CITY, AND WHICH RAISES ALL PROPERTY TAXES.

SO I, I HAVE A FEELING THAT, THAT THIS IS O ONLY GOING TO MAKE YOUR PROPERTY MORE VALUABLE.

NOT, NOT LESS.

WELL, HEY, UH, I WORKED, GARY'S AN EXPERT, SO YEAH, I WORKED FOR THE ASSESSOR AS AN APPRAISER FOR 34 YEARS IN CHARGE OF THE SOUTHERN HALF OF THE COUNTY.

AND MY EXPERIENCE HAS BEEN NEW DEVELOPMENT USUALLY ENHANCES THE VALUE OF OLDER DEVELOPMENTS IN THE AREA, AND PEOPLE START FIXING UP THEIR HOMES.

AND, UH, IN A PINCH, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING FOR COMPARABLES, WE MIGHT GO OVER THAT NEW DEVELOPMENT, USE THAT AS A COMPARABLE AND WITH A ADJUSTMENT FOR SIZE AND QUALITY.

AND, UH, I THINK THAT THE, THE, THE LENDERS LIKE SEEING NEW THINGS GOING INTO A COMMUNITY, 'CAUSE IT MEANS IT'S GROWING.

THAT'S A REALLY GOOD SIGN.

SO PEOPLE DON'T INVEST MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN A, IN A PLACE THAT'S IN DECLINE.

SO THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S GONNA, MY PERSONAL OPINION IS THAT WILL ENHANCE THE VALUE OF THE, THE NEARBY CONDOS.

STEVE, UH, YOUR COMMENT ABOUT THE, THE BIG RIGS ON MAIN STREET, THAT CONCERNS ME, I'D LIKE TO HEAR MORE IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SHARE.

UH, THAT'S A PET PEEVE OF MINE BECAUSE NUMBER ONE, IT'S A SHIELD FOR ENCAMPMENTS, UH, FROM THE STREET.

AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE NOT GOING TO ALLOW IN.

OK.

CAJON, UH, IT ALSO IS A SAFETY ISSUE SOMETIMES FOR PEOPLE PULLING OUT OF A DRIVEWAY THEY CAN'T SEE AROUND IT.

THERE WE PUT UP SIGNS ON HAMSHAW IN FRONT OF CRUNCH FITNESS AND, UH, DOWN THERE BECAUSE THEY WERE JUST USING THAT AS LIKE A FREE ZONE.

AND ONE DOES IT AND THEN ANOTHER DOES IT.

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SO WE DON'T WANT THAT TO HAPPEN.

WE ACTUALLY GOT A NEW PARKING ENFORCEMENT OFFICER, SO, UH, WE REALLY DON'T WANT BIG RIGS ON, ON MAIN STREET, ON BROADWAY, ON HAMSHAW.

UH, THAT'S NOT THE PLACE FOR BIG RIGS TO BE PARKED IN OUR CITY.

SO I, YOU COULD TELL, YOU COULD ASK A CITY MANAGER, YOU COULD GET IN CONTACT WITH ME THROUGH OUR CITY WEBSITE, BUT I WOULD SUPPORT YOU IF YOU WANT TO, UH, NOT HAVE THOSE ON YOUR STREET.

YEAH.

AND I WOULD, I WOULD ALSO ENCOURAGE YOU TO DOWNLOAD THE CITY OF EL CAJON APP.

IT'S CALLED MY EL CAJON.

IF YOU HAVE A SMARTPHONE, YOU COULD SUBMIT ISSUES LIKE THAT ON THE APP AND IT'LL GET OUR NEW HIGHLY, UH, NEW TRAINED PARKING TICKET PERSON TO GET OUT THERE AND BEGIN THE PROCESS OF GETTING THOSE TRUCKS WHERE THEY NEED TO BE.

SO, YEAH.

AND COUNCIL, TYPICALLY WE'VE NOTICED THAT BIG RIGS PARK IN AREAS WHERE THERE'S, THEY'RE NOT BLOCKING A BUSINESS.

AND SO WE'VE SEEN TRUCKS PARKED IN FRONT OF HERE.

'CAUSE IT'S JUST A BIG OPEN FIELD.

AS DEVELOPMENT OCCURS, THAT WILL PROBABLY JUST NATURALLY DISCOURAGE SOME OF THAT AS WELL AS SOME OF THE HOMELESS ENCAMPMENTS THAT HAVE POPPED UP ALONG THAT FENCE LINE.

OKAY.

WAS THAT THE PUBLIC COMMENT? YES, THAT'S THE LAST SPEAKER CARD.

OKAY.

ANYWAY, BRING IT BACK TO COUNSEL.

WERE THERE MORE COMMENTS? UH, I THINK WE, UH, NEED TO MOVE MOTION FOR CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

IS THAT CORRECT? POINT OF ORDER? YEAH.

IF YOU'RE READY TO MAKE THAT.

IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND PLEASE VOTE.

MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.

CONGRATULATIONS.

THANK YOU.

WE GOT A VOTE ON THE, WE NEED A VOTE ON THE, YES, YOU'RE RIGHT.

WE GOTTA VOTE ON THE REST OF IT.

DO WE NEED INDIVIDUAL MOTIONS OR CAN WE PUT THEM TOGETHER? PREFER PREFERABLE.

OKAY.

SO I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT THE RESOLUTION APPROVING THE SECRET DETERMINATION.

UM, MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE SITE DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

PERMIT NUMBER 20 23 0 0 9 AND MOTION TO ADOPT THE RESOLUTION APPROVING THE TENTATIVE SUBDIVISION MAP 20 23 0 0 1 1 SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS.

SECOND, PLEASE VOTE.

MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE NOW.

CONGRATULATIONS.

CONGRATULATIONS .

NOW CONGRATULATIONS.

OKAY.

OKAY.

[101. Cajon View Five-lot Subdivision RECOMMENDATION: That the City Council: Conducts the public hearing; MOVES to adopt the next Resolution, in order, ADOPTING the Mitigated Negative Declaration; and MOVES to adopt the next Resolutions, in order, APPROVING SP-2023-0003 and TSM-2022-0008, subject to conditions.]

AND I'LL ASK STAFF TO TELL US ALL ABOUT THIS NO APPLICANT TONIGHT.

I'M SORRY.

NO APPLICANT TONIGHT.

UM, APPARENTLY NOT.

YEAH.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

GOOD EVENING, UH, MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS.

UH, MY NAME IS SPENCER HAYES.

UH, I'M THE ASSOCIATE PLANNER IN THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT.

UH, THE SECOND ITEM FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION TONIGHT, UH, IS THE CA CONE VIEW FIVE LOT RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION PROJECT.

THE PROJECT INCLUDES A SPECIFIC PLAN, UH, FOR ALTERNATIVE ACCESS, UH, OTHER THAN, UH, FROM A PUBLIC STREET.

SO THROUGH A PRIVATE ROAD EASEMENT IN ORDER TO ACCESS THE PROPOSED FIVE LOT RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION.

UH, THE SITE IS WITHIN THE LOW LOW DENSITY GENERAL PLAN LAND USE DESIGNATION, AND HAS A CONSISTENT ZONE OF RS 14, WHICH IS RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY 14,000 SQUARE FOOT ZONE.

THE SITE IS ALSO WITHIN THE HILLSIDE OVERLAY, WHICH ESTABLISHES REQUIREMENTS FOR THE CREATION OF SLOPES AND FOR GRADING, UM, CONSISTENT WITH THE CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ACT OR CQA.

AN INITIAL STUDY WAS CONDUCTED AND RESULTED IN THE PROPOSED MITIGATED NEGATIVE DECLARATION.

UH, AND IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT THE ELCON, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL APPROVED VERY SIMILAR PROJECTS, BOTH IN 1980 AND IN 2001.

UH, AND THOSE WERE SUBSEQUENTLY EXPIRED.

UH, THE 2001 APPROVAL WAS NEARLY IDENTICAL TO THE, THE ITEM BEFORE YOU TONIGHT.

ALL RIGHT.

SO THE SITE IN QUESTION IS THAT THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF CAJON VIEW DRIVE AND AVOCADO AVENUE AND IS HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW.

UH, THE PROJECT AREA IS ROUGHLY 2.45 ACRES, UH, AND IS SURROUNDED ON ALL SIDES BY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL USES.

THE SITE IS RELATIVELY CONSTRAINED, UH, CONSISTING OF MODERATE TO SEEP STEEP SLOPES, UH,

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UH, DUE TO THE GRADE DIFFERENCE, UH, IT WOULD BE CHALLENGING, IF NOT IMPOSSIBLE TO TAKE DIRECT ACCESS FROM AVOCADO AVENUE.

AND SO THE SPECIFIC PLAN PROPOSES ACCESS THROUGH CAJON VIEW DRIVE, WHICH AGAIN, IS A PRIVATE ROAD EASEMENT, UH, AND IS NOT MAINTAINED BY THE CITY.

AND THEN ONE FINAL THING TO NOTE IS THAT THE SOUTHERLY PROJECT BOUNDARY COINCIDES WITH THE CITY LIMITS OF EL CAJON.

AND THEN JUST TO GET A BETTER SENSE OF THE TOPOGRAPHY, HERE'S A STREET VIEW FROM, UH, FACING NORTH ON AVOCADO AVENUE.

UH, I'D LIKE TO ALSO NOTE THAT THE PRODO PROPOSED CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL REQUIRE EASEMENT AND MAINTENANCE AGREEMENTS TO BE REVIEWED BY COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND THE CITY MA UH, CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, UH, FOR ONGOING MAINTENANCE AND ACCESS INTO THE SUBDIVISION.

AND SO HERE'S THE SUBDIVISION MAP EXHIBIT.

UH, NOTABLE ASPECTS OF THE PROPOSED DESIGN ARE THE IMPROVED ENTRY ON COONE VIEW DRIVE, UH, WHICH WOULD BE, AGAIN, IMPROVED TO CITY STANDARDS.

UH, IT ALSO INCLUDES A TIERED STORMWATER, UH, RETENTION SYSTEM.

UH, THE PRIVATE STREET LABELED ON THE EXHIBIT AS STREET A, UH, EXTENDS ON ALONG THE WESTERLY PROJECT BOUNDARY AND TERMINATES IN A CIRCLE DRIVE AT THE CENTER OF ALL, UH, OF THE RESIDENTIAL LOTS.

UTILITIES WOULD BE RUN THROUGH THAT PRIVATE STREET.

UH, THE DWELLING FOOTPRINTS HERE ARE, ARE SHOWN FOR REFERENCE ONLY.

UH, IT SHOULD, UH, FUTURE DEVELOPMENT OF THOSE SITES WOULD BE SUBJECT TO APPROVAL OF A BUILDING PERMIT FOR THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.

UH, AND THOSE WOULD BE, UH, REVIEWED IN, IN CONFORMANCE WITH OUR OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS AND DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS IN THE ZONING CODE.

AND THEN FINALLY, UH, THE LOT AVERAGE SI LOT, AVERAGE LOT SIZE IS, UH, 14,548 SQUARE FEET, UH, WHICH MEETS THE AVERAGING REQUIREMENTS.

UH, FOR THIS ZONE.

AGAIN, PURSUANT TO CQA, UH, THE INITIAL STUDY WAS CONDUCTED AND RESULTED IN THE PROPOSED MI MITIGATED NEGATIVE DEC DECLARATION OR M AND D.

UH, I WOULD JUST WANNA BRIEFLY SUMMARIZE, UH, THE, THE MITIGATION MEASURES.

UH, FIRST, UH, REGARDING NOISE, UH, IT'S CONSTRUCTION EQUIPMENT IS REQUIRED TO USE INDUSTRY STANDARD, UH, NOISE REDUCTION DEVICES, AS WELL AS LOCATING ANY KIND OF STATIONARY, UH, NOISE PRODUCERS LIKE A GENERATOR AS FAR AS WAY AS POSSIBLE FROM THE SINGLE FAMILY RECEPTORS.

UH, SECOND, THE M AND D REQUIRES NA, NATIVE AMERICAN AND ARCHEOLOGICAL MONITORS ONSITE DURING ALL GROUND DISTURBING ACTIVITIES.

UH, AND FURTHER IT REQUIRES, UM, IMPLEMENTATION OF A DATA RECOVERY PROGRAM FOR, UM, ANY NATIVE AMERICAN OR CULTURAL RESOURCES THAT ARE FOUND AT THE SITE.

AND THEN FINALLY, REGARDING BIOLOGICAL RESOURCES, UH, MITIGATION REQUIRES OFFSITE CONSERVATION OF NATIVE GRASSES AS WELL AS THE NESTING BIRD REPORT.

UH, PRIOR TO, AGAIN, ANY GRADING ACTIVITY, THERE WERE THREE PUBLIC COMMENTS RECEIVED, UH, AS A RESULT OF THE PUBLIC HEARING NOTICE.

UH, ONE COMMENTER JUST SOUGHT CLARIFICATION, UH, AND TWO HAD, UH, QUESTIONS REGARDING PROPOSED OR REQUIRED FENCING FOR THE PROJECT.

UM, AND SO SINCE THIS IS NOT A COMMON INTEREST DEVELOPMENT, UH, THE ZONING CODE DOES NOT REQUIRE A PROJECT BOUNDARY WALL LIKE YOU WOULD SEE FOR A, A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT, FOR EXAMPLE.

UM, SOME WALLS ARE NECESSARY FOR RETENTION, UH, OF SOILS AND FOR THE PROPOSED STORMWATER FEATURES.

UH, BUT AGAIN, A A PROJECT BOUNDARY WALL IS NOT PROPOSED AND IT'S NOT REQUIRED BY THE ZONING CODE.

UM, INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNERS COULD MAINTAIN UP TO A SIX FOOT WALL IN CONFORMANCE WITH OUR, THE ZONING CODE STANDARDS, UH, IN THE FUTURE.

SO WHEN THOSE INDIVIDUAL SITES ARE DEVELOPED, UH, MORE THAN LIKELY A PROJECT BOUNDARY FENCE OR WALL, UH, WOULD ACCOMPANY THAT, UH, BUILDING PERMIT.

AND THE ELK CO UH, PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL OF THE PROJECT.

UH, AT THE PUBLIC HEARING HELD JULY 16TH, UH, THE COMMISSION DISCUSSED, UH, BRIEFLY SEWER, UH, AND UTILITIES ACCESS, UH, GIVEN THE KIND OF STEEP TOPOGRAPHY.

UH, AND THEY ALL GENERALLY AGREED THAT ALTERNATIVE ACCESS FROM AVOCADO AVENUE WAS WARRANTED IN THIS SITUATION.

AND SO THE RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE CITY COUNCIL CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND, UH, MOVE TO ADOPT THE MITIGATED NEGATIVE DECLARATION.

UH, AND NEXT RESOLUTIONS IN ORDER APPROVING THE SPECIFIC PLAN NUMBER 2023 DASH ZERO THREE TENTATIVE SUBDIVISION MAP, UH, NUMBER 2022 DASH 0 0 0 8 SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS.

UH, AND THAT CONCLUDES THE REPORT AND MAY ABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH APPRECIATE THAT.

QUESTIONS, MICHELLE? OKAY.

CAN YOU GO BACK TO YOUR MAP? UM, I THINK, YEAH, THAT ONE, THAT WORKS.

SO ORIGINALLY, WHERE HAD THEY PLANNED ON, UM, COMING INTO THE PROJECT? UM, AGAIN, SO BOTH IN 1980 AND 2001 PROPOSALS, UH, HAD A VERY SIMILAR CONFIGURATION WHERE THEY WERE TAKING ACCESS THROUGH CAJON VIEW DRIVE, UH, THE, THE GRADE.

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MM-HMM.

, UM, IF YOU LOOK ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE IMAGE, THE GRADE JUMPS FROM ANYWHERE BETWEEN 20 TO 40 FEET ABOVE AVOCADO AVENUE, WHICH MAKES IT, UH, PRACTICALLY INFEASIBLE, ESPECIALLY CONSIDERING THE HILLSIDE OVERLAY REQUIREMENTS RIGHT.

TO GAIN ACCESS DIRECTLY FROM AVOCADO AVENUE.

OKAY.

SO WHAT, UM, GO BACK TO THAT PICTURE.

YEAH.

SO THE ROAD THAT GOES UP THE HILL, YOU'VE GOT THE PINE TREES UP AT THE TOP IN THE POWER LINE.

WHAT IS THAT? THAT IS COONE VIEW DRIVE.

OKAY.

YES.

SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT THAT'S WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO BE ENTERING THAT PROJECT OFF AVOCADO ON THAT STREET, CORRECT? YEAH.

SO, UH, OFF AVOCADO, RIGHT ONTO COONE VIEW DRIVE.

OKAY.

AND THEN RIGHT ONTO THE, THE PROPOSED PRIVATE STREET A OKAY.

AND YOU SAID THAT THAT ROAD IS NOT MAINTAINED BY THE CITY.

CORRECT.

IT'S A PRIVATE ROADWAY EASEMENT.

AND HOW DO THOSE PEOPLE FEEL ABOUT IT, THAT IF IT'S A PRIVATE ROAD, WHO OWNS THAT PROPERTY? YEAH.

UM, SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IT WAS ORIGINALLY A, A HELIX WATER DISTRICT ROAD EASEMENT.

MM-HMM.

.

UM, AS FAR AS THE INDIVIDUAL PERSONS WHO HAVE, UH, RIGHTS THROUGH THAT EASEMENT CURRENTLY, I, I AM NOT CERTAIN OF ALL THE DIFFERENT PERSONS.

UH, PRESUMABLY IT'S ALL THE RESIDENTIAL UNITS ALONG THE HOME VIEW DRIVE AS IT MAKES IT WAY BACK OVER TO SOUTH MAGNOLIA AVENUE.

OKAY.

AND SO WILL WE BE PRE IMPROVING THAT ROAD SINCE IT'S NOT MAINTAINED GENERALLY NON-CITY MAINTAINED ROADS TEND TO BE KIND OF NOT NICE? CORRECT? YEAH.

SO, UM, THE PROJECT PROPONENT IS PROPOSING TO IMPROVE, UH, THE PORTION OF COONE VIEW DRIVE THAT IS WITHIN THE PROJECT SITE.

UH, SO THAT'S THE FIRST PART.

UH, AND THEN THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL DO REQUIRE, UH, ONGOING MAINTENANCE AGREEMENTS BE ENTERED, UH, SUBJECT TO APPROVAL AND REVIEW AND APPROVAL BY COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.

OKAY.

AND DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE PROPOSED, UM, SPEED LIMIT IS GONNA BE ON THAT STREET? THAT IS INFORMATION I DO NOT HAVE.

I'M SORRY, I WAS JUST KIND OF CURIOUS.

IT, IT WOULD BE, WE WOULDN'T ENFORCE THE SPEED ON THAT STREET 'CAUSE IT WOULD BE A PRIVATE DRIVE.

OKAY.

AND, AND IF YOU WELL, I FIGURED IF WE'RE GOING TO BE MAINTAINING IT, WE'RE NOT MAINTAINING IT, WE'RE REQUIRING THEM TO MAINTAIN IT.

OKAY.

SO THAT, SO, UM, WE'LL REQUIRE THEM TO DO AN AGREEMENT SO THAT WE KNOW THAT THERE IS SOME SORT OF A MAINTENANCE OVER A PERIOD OF TIME, BUT WE'LL HAVE NO MAINTENANCE OVER IT RIGHT NOW.

AND WHEN YOU SAID THAT THEY WILL BE MAINTAINING IT, THAT'S THE PROJECT.

THE, EVENTUALLY THE PROPERTY OWNERS THAT OWN THOSE FIVE DIFFERENT PARCELS WILL HAVE TO ENTER INTO AN AGREEMENT WHERE THEY'LL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE MAIN TO MAINTAIN THAT PORTION.

AND IS THIS PROPERTY WHERE THE HOUSES ARE BEING BUILT, IS THAT ACTUALLY IN CITY LIMITS? YES.

OH, OKAY.

MS. MITCHELL, IF YOU, IF YOU LOOK AT THE MAP ON THE BOARD RIGHT NOW, THE DARKENED ROAD IS COMB VIEW DRIVE THAT'S OWNED BY THE PERSON WHO OWNS THE ENTIRE SUBDIVISION.

OH, OKAY.

SO THEY'RE GONNA BE RESPONSIBLE, THEY CAN CONTROL IT THROUGH THE SUBDIVISION OF THEIR HOMES.

WE DIRECT THEM, UH, REQUIRE THEM, CONDITION THEM TO MAKE CERTAIN THAT THEY HAVE AGREEMENTS FOR MAINTENANCE WITH ALL THOSE FIVE PROPERTY OWNERS.

BECAUSE HE IS NOT GONNA, THE GENTLEMAN'S NOT GONNA BE OWNING ALL OF THOSE.

HE'LL BE SELLING OFF THE LOTS FOR SUB FOR DEVELOPMENT.

OKAY.

THAT MAKES SENSE.

I JUST TRYING TO WARD OFF FUTURE ISSUES WHERE WE'VE HAD ISSUES COME BEFORE US BEFORE WHERE IT WAS A DEAD END, THEN WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH IT AND PEOPLE GET UPSET.

SO I WAS JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT IN THE FUTURE.

THANK YOU.

THAT'S IT, PHIL.

THE APPLICANT'S NOT BUILDING RIGHT NOW THOUGH.

THEY'RE JUST SUBDIVIDING.

YOU'RE RIGHT.

UM, EXCUSE ME.

I BELIEVE HIS INTENT IS TO SELL THE INDIVIDUAL LOTS.

HE HAD MENTIONED AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING THAT HE INTENDS TO BUILD FOR HIMSELF ON ONE OF THE LOTS.

UM, SO I BELIEVE THAT'S HIS INTENT AT THIS POINT.

AND IT LOOK, AND IT LOOKS LIKE HE LIVES ON COHOE VIEW DRIVE.

HE LIVES, I BELIEVE, ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE DEVELOPMENT ACROSS, YEAH, ACROSS THE STREET.

YES.

SO, YEAH, HE'S BUILDING IN HIS OWN NEIGHBORHOOD, SO.

OKAY.

THANK YOU SPENCER.

UM, TO, TO REVISIT THE DRIVE THING, ARE YOU SAYING THE DARKENED AREA OF COONE VIEW DRIVE? THE APPLICANT OWNS THE DARKENED AREA OF COHOE VIEW DRIVE? IT'S ON ONE OF THE LOTS WITHIN THE SUBDIVISION.

A AGAIN, THE EASEMENT IS NOT, UH, OWNED BY, UM, SOMEONE WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT.

UH, IT'S, THERE'S EASEMENT HOLDERS THAT HAVE ACCESS RIGHTS THROUGH THAT PORTION.

SO TO MS. MITCHELL'S COMMENT, I, I GUESS THERE'S A DEVELOPER IN TOWN WHO APPARENTLY OWNS HALF THE ROAD AND THERE'S A FORMER CITY OFFICIAL WHO OWNS THE OTHER HALF OF THE ROAD, AND THEY HAVE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT WHO'S GONNA MAINTAIN THE ROAD.

AND SO I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, WOULD THESE FIVE PEOPLE SAY, HEY YOU GUYS, YOU NEED TO FIX THE ROAD 'CAUSE

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WHAT, WHAT CAN YOU SHED LIGHT ON THAT? UM, AS SPENCER INDICATED, THE THE PORTION THAT IS WITHIN THE SUBDIVISION WILL BE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THAT SUBDIVISION'S UNDERSTOOD.

FUTURE OWNERS UNDERSTOOD.

RIGHT.

SO ALL THAT WILL BE UNDER A MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT AND BUILT TO CI BUILT TO SPECIFIC STANDARDS APPROVED BY THE CITY ENGINEER AND THEN MAINTAINED ANYTHING BEYOND THAT.

ON C**N VIEW IS IN THE RESPONSIBILITY OF ALL THOSE OTHER OWNERS TO THE WEST.

YES.

THE RESPONSIBILITY ONLY LIES WITH THE FUTURE FIVE.

UM, YES.

OWNERS OF THESE LOTS TO, TO THE PORTION THAT'S OFF OF C**N VIEW, THAT'S ONLY WITHIN THE SUBDIVISION BOUNDARIES THAT YOU SEE ON THE MAP? YES, YES, YES.

OKAY.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

AND, AND LET'S TALK ABOUT THE BLUFF BECAUSE THAT'S JUST DOWN THE HILL FROM WHERE WE HAD A, WE'VE GOT A EMERGENCY DECLARATION, UH, GOING ON.