[ CALL TO ORDER: Mayor Bill Wells]
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WELCOME TO THE WALK ON SOME COUNCIL MEETING.
THE BT IS CALLED TO ORDER AND I'D LIKE TO ASK THE CITY CLERK TO CALL THE ROLL.
ALL COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE PRESENT.
WOULD YOU PLEASE STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE OR REMAIN STANDING FOR A MOMENT OF SILENCE.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
[ POSTINGS: The City Clerk posted Orders of Adjournment of the July 23, 2019, Meeting and the Agenda of the August 13, 2019, Meetings in accordance to State Law and Council/Authority/Successor Agency to the Redevelopment Agency Policy.]
THE CITY CLERK POSTED ORDERS OF A GERMAN OF THE JULY 23RD, 2019 MEETING AND THE AGENDA OF THE AUGUST 13TH, 2019 MEETING IN ACCORDANCE WITH STATE LAW COUNCIL AND HOUSING AUTHORITY POLICY.WE HAVE NO PRESENTATIONS ON TODAY'S AGENDA AND THAT BRINGS US TO AGENDA CHANGES.
STAFF, DO YOU HAVE ANY AGENDA CHANGES, MR MAYOR? WE HAVE NO CHANGES TO THE AGENDA.
COUNCIL, ANY AGENDA CHANGES THAT BRINGS
[7. CONSENT ITEMS: Consent Items are routine matters enacted by one motion according to the RECOMMENDATION listed below. With the concurrence of the City Council, a Council Member or person in attendance may request discussion of a Consent Item at this time.]
US DOWN THE CONSENT ITEMS. CONSENT ITEMS ARE ROUTINE MATTERS ENACTED BY ONE MOTION ACCORDING TO THE RECOMMENDATION LISTED BELOW WITH THE CONCURRENCE OF THE CITY COUNCIL.A COUNCIL MEMBER OR PERSON IN ATTENDANCE MAY REQUEST.
DISCUSSION OF A CONSENT ITEM AT THIS TIME.
COUNCIL MEMBERS YOU WISH TO PULL ANY CONSENT ITEMS. STAFF, DO YOU WISH TO PULL THE CONSENT ITEMS? ANGELA, DO WE HAVE SPEAKER CARDS FOR CONSENT ITEMS? WE HAVE NO CARDS, SIR.
ALL RIGHT THEN I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT ITEMS MOVING SECOND AND PLEASE VOTE.
MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.
OH, THIS IS LIKE A BASEBALL TEAM PITCHING A NO HITTER.
THAT'S THE FASTEST WE'VE GONE THROUGH ALL THAT I THINK EVER.
[ PUBLIC COMMENT: At this time, any person may address a matter within the jurisdiction of the City Council/Housing Authority/Successor Agency to the El Cajon Redevelopment Agency that is not on the Agenda. Comments relating to items on today’s docket are to be taken at the time the item is heard. State law prohibits discussion or action on items not on the Agenda; however, Council, Authority and Agency Members may briefly respond to statements or questions. An item may be placed on a future Agenda.]
THAT BRINGS US TO PUBLIC COMMENT.AT THIS TIME, ANY PERSON MAY ADDRESS A MATTER WITHIN THE JURISDICTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL HOUSING AUTHORITY SUCCESSOR AGENCY TO THE ALCOHOL REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY.
COMMENTS RELATING TO ITEMS ON TODAY'S AGENDA ALREADY BE TAKEN AT THE TIME THAT THE ITEM IS HEARD.
STATE LAW PROHIBITS DISCUSSION OR ACTION ON ITEMS ON THE AGENDA.
HOWEVER, CITY COUNCIL AND HOUSING AUTHORITY MEMBERS MAY BRIEFLY RESPOND TO STATEMENTS OR QUESTIONS AND AN ITEM MAY BE PLACED ON A FUTURE AGENDA.
ANGELA, DO WE HAVE ANY CARDS ON A PUBLIC COMMENT? YES SIR.
I'M HERE TO INTRODUCE THE KIM CENTER FOR SOCIAL BALANCE AND REQUEST IN A STORIC PROCLAMATION.
THE KIM CENTER IS STRIVING TO CREATE GENDER EQUITY IN THE WORKPLACE BY HELPING COMMUNITIES AND EMPLOYERS ACHIEVE PROGRESS THROUGH STRUCTURED ACTION PLANS BASED ON METRICS.
THANK YOU, MAYOR WELLS FOR YOUR FORWARD THINKING, UH, FOR EXTENDING YOUR FORWARD-THINKING INVITATION TO SPEAK TO THE COUNCIL.
WHEN WE MET AT A SANDAG MEETING RIGHT NOW, COMMUNITIES ARE APPEARING IN THE NEWS EVERY DAY FOR HEARTBREAKING REASONS, FROM SHOOTINGS TO ABUSES OF POWER.
WHAT IF REGULAR STORIES CAME FROM SAN DIEGO ABOUT OUR INCREASING GENDER JUSTICE IN THE WORKPLACE ABOUT OUR REDUCING HOMELESSNESS, POVERTY, VIOLENCE, AND HUMAN TRAFFICKING.
AS A RESULT, A FEW YEARS AGO, THE UT PUBLISHED THAT THE SAN DIEGO REGION COULD INCREASE ITS GDP BY $23 BILLION WITHIN 10 YEARS OF ACHIEVING WORKPLACE GENDER EQUITY.
IMAGINE BEING ABLE TO SAY WE DID IT.
THE KYM CENTER HAS DEVELOPED A COLLABORATIVE EFFORT TO MAKE THIS A REALITY TOGETHER WITH KEY REGIONAL LEADERS.
WE'RE CREATING INNOVATIVE PRODUCTS AND PROGRAMS THAT HELP COMMUNITIES AND AMONG PEERS UNDERSTAND WHAT GENDER EQUITY LOOKS LIKE, HOW TO GET THERE, AND HOW TO MEASURE PROGRESS.
NOW THAT YOU KNOW A LITTLE ABOUT THE KIM CENTER, I WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE THAT THE CITY OF EL CAHONE PROCLAIM WORKPLACE GENDER EQUITY DAY AND HELP SAN DIEGO BECOME THE FIRST COUNTY IN THE COUNTRY TO HAVE EVERY CITY UNITE BEHIND THIS CULTURAL STATEMENT.
I LOOK FORWARD TO SPEAKING SOON AGAIN WITH MAYOR WELLS AND REACHING OUT TO THE REST OF THE COUNCIL.
IN THE MEANTIME, I INVITE YOU TO LEARN MORE ABOUT THE KIM CENTER@KIMCENTER.ORG.
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REAL QUICKLY, DEPUTY MAY A GLOBAL, UH, YOU NEVER NEEDED TRAINING WHEELS.UH, I'M HERE TO ASK IF ANYONE ON THE COUNCIL OR THE STAFF HAD TAKEN ANY TIME TO LOOK AT ABOUT THE SMART METERS PAMPHLET I HAD CIRCULATED LAST TIME AND I WISH YOU WOULD CONSIDER IT AND LOOK AT IT BECAUSE ALONG WITH CAP, UH, I THINK IT'S A VERY, VERY IMPORTANT ISSUE.
AND I KNOW YOU'RE BUSY, BUT, UH, JUST LOOK AT THAT FIRST PRESENTATION AND YOU'LL HAVE A LITTLE BETTER UNDERSTANDING OR IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME, I'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM.
UH, AND THEN AGAIN, UH, LET'S SEE.
UH, I'M GOING TO KEEP SPEAKING ABOUT FORM 704 60.
UH, MR. ORTIZ, YOU ASKED ME A QUESTION, REMEMBERED THIS WHEN I MENTIONED THIS TO YOU LAST TIME ABOUT PUTTING DOWN YOUR HOME ADDRESS, BUT I NOTICE ON LOT OF THE FORMS FROM LAST YEAR, MANY OF THE COUNCIL PEOPLE, PEOPLE THAT WERE RUNNING, UH, USE THE CITY AS THEIR HOME ADDRESS.
AND I CAN UNDERSTAND WHY, MAYBE FEAR OF, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE KNOWING WHERE YOU LIVE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT JUST FOR YOUR INFORMATION AND, UH, AS YOU KNOW, THE, UH, FAIR POLITICAL PRACTICES COMMISSION, THEY REQUIRE YOU TO DO 700.
NOW ON THE FOUR 60, WHICH IS THE CONTRIBUTIONS A LOT OF PUBLIC DOESN'T KNOW THIS YEAR I BELIEVE THERE IS SOME KIND OF A, UH, A MINIMUM CONTRIBUTION THAT YOU HAVE TO DECLARE.
AND THEN AGAIN, I FEEL THAT THIS SHOULD BE ON THE CITY OF ELK CAHONES WEBPAGE SO THAT NOT EVERYONE LIKE MYSELF HAS TO RUN OVER TO ANGELA AND THE OFFICE AND REQUEST COPIES ALL THE TIME.
AND, UH, ONCE IT'S ON THERE, EVERYBODY COULD SEE IT UNDER THE TRANSPARENCY SECTION OF THE WEBPAGE.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOMEBODY PUT THAT ON THE AGENDA SOMETIME AND TAKE A VOTE ON IT.
AND I NOTICED TODAY, UH, AN ITEM NUMBER 11 ABOUT THE HOMELESS PROGRAMS UPDATE.
I'M ANXIOUS TO HEAR ABOUT THAT CAUSE YOU KNOW HOW I FEEL ABOUT THAT.
I'VE SPOKEN ABOUT THE HOMELESS SITUATION BEFORE AND GIVING YOU MY, UH, EXPERIENCE WITH HOMELESS PEOPLE ALSO.
I KNOW I WILL, I'LL BE, I'LL BE SPEAKING ABOUT THIS CIVIL CODE HERE IN ITEM NUMBER 13, ALSO FOR ELECTED OFFICIALS AND STAFF.
AND I THINK THAT'S ABOUT ALL I HAVE TO SAY RIGHT NOW UNLESS SOMEBODY HAS QUESTIONS.
I LAST SPEAKER AS BONNIE PRICE.
UM, I WOULD ASSOCIATE MYSELF WITH THE REMARKS BY JIM
PART OF THE REASON A LOT OF OLDER PEOPLE WHO ARE WOMEN ARE HOMELESS OR BORDERLINE IS BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE EQUAL OPPORTUNITY IN THEIR WORKPLACES.
I STILL REMEMBER WHEN IT WAS LEGAL TO ADVERTISE JOBS FOR MEN AND JOBS FOR WOMEN AND JOBS FOR WOMEN WERE ALWAYS PAID LESS.
THEREFORE THEIR SOCIAL SECURITY IS LESS WHEN THEY'RE OLDER.
AND I THINK THAT WE HAVE TO TAKE POSITIVE ACTION STEPS TO GET THIS TO HAPPEN, INCLUDING ON THE CITY COUNCIL.
WE NEED TO HAVE A WOMAN ON CITY COUNCIL.
YOU HAVEN'T HAD ONE FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS.
AND BEFORE THAT, I ONLY REMEMBER THERE WERE TWO AND A MAYOR WHO WAS A WOMAN, BUT I'M AN EAST COUNTY.
I KNOW A LOT OF WOMEN ARE HELD BACK BY THEIR SPOUSES, BUT I THINK YOU COULD TAKE A POSITIVE STEP BY SUPPORTING WOMEN ON CITY COUNCIL.
THE FINAL ISSUE I WANT TO DISCUSS IS I SAW ON THE INTERNET THAT THERE IS INCREASED ACTIVITY AT THE INTERNMENT CAMP.
SOME PEOPLE ARE REPORTING THAT THERE IS ABUSE OF KIDS THERE.
AND I KNOW THAT SINCE THIS HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP BEFORE, THAT UH, YOU DO NOT HANDLE THE LICENSING OR ANYTHING BUT ZONING, BUT YOU KNOW, IT DOES FALL WITHIN
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YOUR PURVIEW.IF KIDS ARE BEING ABUSED, I WOULD THINK THAT WOULD BE A POLICE MATTER.
SO I WOULD HOPE THAT YOU WILL LOOK INTO THIS ISSUE AND NOT LET US BE ON A PAR WITH TEXAS AND FLORIDA AND OTHER PLACES WHERE PEOPLE ARE JUST DYING BECAUSE THEY'RE ABUSED.
JUST SO YOU KNOW, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE DETENTION CAMP FOR MINORS? YES.
I'M GOING TO BE GOING THERE AT THE END OF THIS MONTH.
IF YOU CAN GET A BLANKET APPROVAL TO GO ANY DAY SPOT IMPACT INSPECTIONS WOULD BE WONDERFUL SO THEY WOULDN'T KNOW WHEN YOU'RE COMING AND THAT WOULD BE HIGHLY EFFECTIVE.
I'LL GO SEE ANOTHER THE OTHER THIS MONTH AND I'LL LET YOU KNOW WHAT I WHAT I SEE.
THERE ARE NO WRITTEN COMMUNICATIONS ON TODAY'S AGENDA AND THERE ARE NO PUBLIC HEARINGS FOR TODAY'S MEETING.
WE HAVE FIVE ADMINISTRATIVE REPORTS ON TODAY'S AGENDA.
[11. City of El Cajon's Homeless Programs Update RECOMMENDATION: That the City Council receives the report and provides feedback.]
ITEM 11 IS AN UPDATE ON THE HOMELESS PROGRAMS. I'D LIKE TO ASK STAFF TO INTRODUCE THIS ITEM.HI, GOOD AFTERNOON MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.
UM, WE'RE HERE TODAY TO PROVIDE YOU WITH AN UPDATE OF THE TWO PILOT PROGRAMS SERVING THE HOMELESS, FUNDED BY THE CITY OF OKLAHOMA CITY COUNCIL AND OPERATING HERE IN ALCOHOL.
AS YOU MAY KNOW OR RECALL ABOUT TWO AND A HALF YEARS AGO, UH, AFTER SEVERAL DISCUSSIONS WITH STAFF IN THE COMMUNITIES, UH, THE CITY COUNCIL AWARDED FUNDING FOR THE TWO PILOT PROGRAMS. AND BOTH OF THESE PROGRAMS RELY OUR NONPROFIT PARTNERS FOR DELIVERY OF THE PROGRAM SERVICES THE WAY BACK HOME PROGRAM AS YOU KNOWN REUNITE REUNITES, HOMELESS INDIVIDUALS AND FAMILIES WITH FAMILY MEMBERS OUTSIDE OF SAN DIEGO COUNTY.
THE PROGRAM IS DISTINCTIVE BECAUSE SUPPORTIVE FAMILY MEMBERS MUST BE IDENTIFIED AND MUST BE WILLING TO RECEIVE AND HOUSE INDIVIDUALS.
ON THE OTHER END, THE INDIVIDUALS ARE ALSO CONNECTED WITH THE LOCAL SALVATION ARMY IN THAT AREA FOR CONTINUATION OF SUPPORTIVE SERVICES AND FOR ACCOUNTABILITY.
UH, BETWEEN AUGUST OF 2017 AND JULY 13TH OF 20 19TH AS SALVATION ARMY HAS EXPENDED $13,135 IN CITY FUNDS AND HAS REUNITED 54 INDIVIDUALS WITH SUPPORTIVE FAMILY.
THE COST PER UNIFICATION IS $240 A PERSON.
UH, THIS GRAPH IS IN YOUR AGENDA REPORT AND SHOWS US THE NUMBER OF PERSONS HOUSED BY QUARTER.
IT ONLY GOES THROUGH JULY 13TH AND I'VE INCLUDED ANOTHER GRAPH FOR YOU HERE THAT JUST SHOWS THE CUMULATIVE EFFECT OF THE WAY BACK HOME PROGRAM.
UH, WE STAFF WAS EXCITED TO LEARN ABOUT JUST ABOUT A WEEK AGO.
MR. ORTIZ WAS THERE THAT HE FUNDING WAS AWARDED TO THE SALVATION ARMY SAN DIEGO CORPS FOR EXPANSION OF THE WAY BACK HOME PROGRAM TO THE ENTIRE SAN DIEGO REGION.
UH, IT'S IN CONJUNCTION WITH A PREVENTION PROGRAM AND FOR THAT PROGRAM, THE SALVATION ARMY WAS AWARDED $900,000 OVER TWO YEARS FOR BOTH OF THOSE PROGRAMS. AND THE SALVATION ARMY REPORTED TO US THAT THEY USE THE DATA FROM OUR EL CAHONE PROGRAM, UH, IN THEIR APPLICATION FOR FUNDING AND THE WAY BACK HOME PROGRAM IS OR WILL SOON BE AVAILABLE TO EVERY CORE LOCATION THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY TO ASSIST HOMELESS INDIVIDUALS TO BE REUNITED WITH SUPPORTIVE FAMILY MEMBERS OUTSIDE THE REGION.
IN ADDITION, THE OKLAHOMA HOUSING CONNECTIONS PROGRAM PROVIDES ASSISTANCE IN LOCATING PERMANENT HOUSING FOR HOMELESS INDIVIDUALS AND FAMILIES THROUGH THE SERVICES OF THE DEAD DEDICATED HOUSING NAVIGATOR AND WITH ASSISTANCE OF HOUSING FUNDS AWARDED BY THE CITY COUNCIL.
AS YOU KNOW, THE PROGRAM ELEMENTS INCLUDE BUILDING RELATIONSHIPS WITH HOMELESS INDIVIDUALS ON THE STREET, CASE MANAGEMENT TO DETERMINE THEIR SERVICE NEEDS AND READINESS FOR HOUSING.
AND CONNECTING WITH LANDLORDS TO OBTAIN THE HOUSING.
I'M SURE TODAY THE HOUSING NAVIGATOR HAS FOUND PERMANENT HOUSING FOR 77 INDIVIDUALS IN 52 HOUSEHOLDS.
UH, THE ENTIRE PROGRAM HAS USED, WELL, THE HOUSING NAVIGATOR PRIOR HAS USED A TOTAL OF 88,275 IN HOUSING ASSISTANCE FUNDS TO ACCOMPLISH THIS FEAT FOR THE 77 INDIVIDUALS.
THE AVERAGE COST PER PERSON HOUSES APPROXIMATELY $2,700.
WHEN YOU COMBINED THE TWO COSTS ORIGINALLY WITH FOR THE HOUSING NAVIGATOR AND THE HOUSING ASSISTANCE FUNDS.
THIS GRAPH WHICH IS IN YOUR AGENDA REPORT,
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UH, REVEALS THE NUMBER OF PERSONS HOUSED BY QUARTER.AND I'VE INCLUDED A SIMILAR GRAPH FOR THE CUMULATIVE IMPACT OVER TIME.
SO THERE ARE SOME ADDITIONAL ANALYSES AND INTERESTING STATISTICS.
UH, WE GATHERED WHICH ARE PROVIDED IN THE ATTACHMENT TO YOUR STAFF REPORT.
I S I'VE ALIGNED THEM SIDE BY SIDE THIS TIME, UH, FOR COMPARISON, UH, EAST COUNTY HOUSING, ALCOHOL AND CALLISON CONNECTIONS ON THE LEFT AND WAY BACK HOME PROGRAM ON THE RIGHT.
AND WE ARE ALSO PLEASED TO ADVISE YOU THAT THE HEAP FUNDING WAS AWARDED TO CRISIS HOUSE FOR EXPANSION OF THE EL CAHONE HOUSING CONNECTIONS PROGRAM TO THE EAST COUNTY REGION.
THEY TELL ME THAT A NEW HOUSING NAVIGATOR AND A COUPLE OF NEW OUTREACH COORDINATORS WILL BE ADDED TO SERVE EAST COUNTY RESIDENTS, INCLUDING OKLAHOMA RESIDENTS AND CRISIS HOUSE WILL CONTINUE TO UTILIZE THE HOUSING ASSISTANCE FUNDS FROM THE CITY TO HOUSE ALCOHOL AND RESIDENTS.
CRISIS HOUSE WAS AWARDED 300,000 OVER TWO YEARS FOR THIS NEW REGIONAL PROGRAM AND THE NEW REGIONAL PROGRAM WILL BE CALLED THE EAST COUNTY HOUSING CONNECTIONS.
AND THE COMBINED PROGRAM ANTICIPATES HOUSING 40 HOUSEHOLDS OVER TWO YEARS, SO 20 PER YEAR FROM OKLAHOMA IN 20 PER YEAR FROM THE REST OF THE EAST COUNTY REGION OR 40 HOUSEHOLDS PER YEAR.
AND CRISIS HOUSE WILL USE THE HEAT FUNDS TO PRIMARILY SERVE INDIVIDUALS AND COUPLES WITHOUT CHILDREN.
THEY WILL BE WORKING WITH HOMESTART WHO ALSO RECEIVED HEAP FUNDING.
HOMESTART WILL PRIMARILY SERVE FAMILIES WITH CHILDREN.
SO IN THE PAST 21 MONTHS, THESE TWO PILOT PROGRAMS HAVE SECURED PERMANENT HOUSING FOR A TOTAL OF 131 INDIVIDUALS IN 87 HOUSEHOLDS WITH TOTAL PROGRAM EXPENDITURES COMBINED, THIS EQUATES TO APPROXIMATELY 1,578 PER HOUSEHOLD.
STAFF BELIEVES THIS HAS BEEN AN EFFECTIVE USE OF CITY'S FUNDS DIRECTLY ASSISTING WITH THE PROVISION OF PERMANENT HOUSING FOR HOMELESS INDIVIDUALS IN OKLAHOMA.
AND WITH THAT, WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
OH YEAH, I'M SORRY, STEVE HAS THAT.
LET'S GO BACK TO THE GRAPH OF NUMBER OF PERSONS HOUSED BY THAT ONE.
THE PACE SEEMS TO BE SLOWING DOWN.
DO YOU HAVE AN OPINION WHY IDEA? WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS AND WE RECOGNIZE THAT EARLY IN THE PROGRAM WE REACHED, I THINK CARINA WOULD AGREE WITH ME.
THEY WERE ABLE TO HOUSE THOSE THAT WERE EASIER TO HOUSE, MORE READY TO BE HOUSED.
UH, THEY HAD SOME FORM OF INCOME.
THEY WERE SITUATIONALLY ON THE STREETS AND WERE EASY TO GET OFF THE STREETS FAIRLY EASY EARLY ON.
NOW SHE'S WORKING WITH A MUCH HARDER POPULATION, HARDER TO PLACE I WOULD SAY.
UM, AND THAT REFLECTS IN THE CONTRACTS WE HAD WITH THEM WHEN WE INITIALLY, UH, SAID WE WOULD HOUSE 25 INDIVIDUALS OR HOUSEHOLDS AND WE REDUCED IT IN THE FOLLOWING YEAR TO 20.
UH, BASED ON, WE KNEW IT WAS GOING TO BE HARDER.
MY SECOND QUESTION IS THERE ARE 33 INDIVIDUALS STILL ENROLLED BUT HAVEN'T FOUND HOUSING FOR, IS THAT BECAUSE HOUSING IS DIFFICULT TO FIND? DO THEY NEED A CERTAIN KIND OF VOUCHER OR MR GALLBLADDER RECOMMEND THAT MR. HERNANDEZ MAYBE RESPOND TO THAT? OKAY.
SO YES, WE DO HAVE INDIVIDUALS, SOME HAVE TAKEN AND GONE TO TRANSITIONAL HOUSING TO GET A LONGER STABILITY OR TRYING TO APPLY FOR WHETHER IT'S SSI OR ANY OTHER KIND OF VOUCHER PROGRAM.
UM, THERE'S SOME HAVE GONE INTO TREATMENT CENTERS AND SO THEY ARE WAITING THAT PERIOD OUT.
UM, AS LONG AS THEY'RE STILL WILLING TO WORK WITH ME AND TRY TO FIND HOUSING AND TRYING TO FIND EMPLOYMENT, I HAVE NOT TAKEN ANYBODY OFF THE CASE LOAD.
WAIT, SAY THAT FOR ME ONE MORE TIME.
AS LONG AS THEY'RE WILLING TO WORK WITH ME.
UM, WHETHER IT'S COMING CLEAN, UH, GETTING EMPLOYMENT OR JUST, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT COMPLETELY READY TO GET OFF THE STREET, BUT THEY'RE WILLING TO WORKING TO GET OFF THE STREETS.
AND SO THEY DO CHECK INS WITH ME WHEN THEY COME TO THE RESOURCE CENTER.
AND FOR THAT I KEEP THEM ON THE CASELOAD.
UH, ARE SOME OF THOSE PEOPLE IN AT EAST COUNTY TRANSITIONAL LIVING CENTER AND THEY'RE STILL ON THE LIST OF 33.
THEY'RE JUST WAITING KIND OF TO GET THEIR ACT TOGETHER? UNFORTUNATELY NOT.
MOST OF THESE INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE ON MY CASELOAD ARE ON THE STREETS EVERY DAY AND THE WINTER IN TRANSITIONAL HOUSING.
WHAT FACILITIES ARE THOSE? UM, SO WE, UH, ONE WAS JUST THAT INTERFAITH COMMUNITY SERVICES AND ESCONDIDO, I HAVE ONE THAT IS THAT PATH, WHICH IS DOWNTOWN AND THEY'RE UTILIZING THOSE SERVICES FIRST.
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THE WHOLE WRAPAROUND SERVICES BEFORE GOING INTO PERMANENT HOUSING BECAUSE SOME OF THEM ARE WANTING TO GET CLEAN BEFORE THEY GO INTO HOUSING.UH, ONE OF THEM TRYING TO SECURE EMPLOYMENT.
WE HAVE PEOPLE WORKING TOWARDS GETTING SOCIAL SECURITY AND SO THEY'RE IN THE PROCESS OF CONSTANTLY HAVING TO MEET WITH PSYCHIATRISTS TO GET A FULL ON DIAGNOSIS.
UH, THIS ALL ADDRESSES THE CITY MANAGER AND THEN YOU CAN DIVERT IT WHEREVER YOU WANT TO GO WITH THE COUNT POINT IN TIME.
COUNT OF UNSHELTERED HOMELESS IF 288 AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS YEAR.
THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT ACCOUNTED FOR.
WHEN WE SAY WE HAVE 33 IN HOUSING, THERE'S OVER A COUPLE HUNDRED.
ARE THESE PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN CONTACTED AND HAVE NOT WANTED HELP? I KNOW I CAN'T ASCERTAIN HOW MANY OF THE PEOPLE THAT THAT ARE ON THE STREETS HAVE BEEN CONTACTED, BUT I DO KNOW WHEN WE RECENTLY DID A, AN AGGRESSIVE OUTREACH DURING THE MONTH OF JULY OR JUNE THAT WE OUTREACH IN A POSITIVE WAY TO OVER 200 HOMELESS INTO UNIQUE A HOMELESS INDIVIDUAL.
SO I'M GOING TO MAKE THE ASSUMPTION THAT A LOT OF FOLKS THAT ARE ON THE STREETS HAVE BEEN, HAD SOME CONTACT AND I'VE HAD SOME EXPOSURE TO HOUSING OPPORTUNITY PROGRAMS.
ISN'T THAT, THAT JUNE PROGRAM YOU TALKED ABOUT THE 30 DAYS OF HOPE.
IT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT.
ANY MORE QUESTIONS? THANK YOU.
UM, STAFF, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING THAT YOU WANTED TO ADD TO THIS? NO.
MR MAYOR, MR
WE THINK THAT QUARTERLY MAY BE A LITTLE TOO MUCH, BUT WE THINK SEMI-ANNUALLY IS PROBABLY APPROPRIATE.
SO WE'LL PROBABLY DO ONE AROUND JULY, AUGUST TIME AND THEN WE'LL DO ANOTHER ONE IN JANUARY AND KEEP THE COUNCIL UPDATED ON WHERE THAT'S GOING UNLESS THE COUNCIL IS WANTING MORE, MORE REGULAR FEEDBACK.
WE'RE OPEN FOR FEEDBACK ON THAT.
UM, DO YOU THINK, I THINK QUARTERLY YOU'RE PROPOSING, I'M PROPOSING TWICE A YEAR VERSUS QUARTERLY WORK FOR EVERYBODY.
I SEE NODDING IN AGREEMENT, SO TWICE A YEAR.
UH, ANGELA, WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS WITH US.
ALL RIGHT, WELL WE DON'T NEED THE, UM, OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING COUNCIL ANY DISCUSSION OR WITH SOMEONE LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION? I'VE JUST GOT ONE LAST COMMENT OR NOT A LAST COMMENT, A COMMENT.
I'M VERY PLEASED TO SEE THAT THE WORK THAT THE CITY HAS DONE HAS BEEN LEVERAGED INTO VERY LARGE GRANTS FOR THESE ORGANIZATIONS BEYOND EL CAHONE.
WE HAVE SEEN TO HAVE CARRIED AN UNDUE, UH, LOAD IN THIS AREA FOR QUITE A WHILE.
WE'VE BEEN BEGGING OTHER CITIES AND COMMUNITIES TO TAKE PART AND HELP.
SO WE HOPE THAT THIS GRANT MONEY FOR THESE OTHER REGIONS CERTAINLY WILL ENCOURAGE THE OUTREACH TO THESE OTHER PARTS OF THE COMMUNITY AND CERTAINLY HELP US PARTNER WITH EVERYBODY IN GETTING PEOPLE OFF THE STREET INTO MORE HEALTHY ENVIRONMENT.
SO I'M VERY THANKFUL FOR THE CITY STAFF AND THEIR EFFORTS IN PAVING THE WAY IN LEADERSHIP IN THIS PROGRAM.
YOU KNOW, I'M ALSO THANKFUL FOR THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT ARE REUNITED WITH FAMILY MEMBERS.
UM, I KNOW THAT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THESE THINGS, IT'S EASY TO GET KIND OF WASHED IN THE NUMBERS AND LOST HIM TO THE CONCEPT.
WE GOT TO GET MASSIVE NUMBERS OF PEOPLE INTO A PROGRAM OR IT'S NOT A SUSTAINABLE PROGRAM.
BUT I WOULD GUESS THAT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE NOW LIVING WITH FAMILY MEMBERS AGAIN AND OFF THE STREETS AND HOPEFULLY DOING BETTER ARE NOT THINKING ABOUT THE NUMBERS OF PEOPLE THAT JUST GLAD THAT YOU HELPED THEM.
AND I THINK IT WAS WHAT, 52 FAMILIES THAT ARE REUNITED.
THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY IMPRESSIVE.
AND I, I THINK IT'S A SUBJECT BE PROUD OF.
AND ONE IMPORTANT STATISTIC IN THERE IS, SO HOW LONG DO THESE PEOPLE REMAIN HOUSED AFTER WE FIND HOUSING FOR THEM? AND THE REPORT STATES THAT 42 TO 45% OF PEOPLE FROM EITHER PROGRAM WAY BACK HOME OR THROUGH KARINA'S HOUSING ASSISTANCE ARE STILL HOUSED AFTER SIX MONTHS.
THAT'S FOR THIS KIND OF THING.
IT'S A VERY IMPRESSIVE STATISTIC, PHIL, REALLY QUICKLY.
ECHOING WHAT YOU BOTH SAID, A FANTASTIC JOB FROM THE CITY STAFF AND, AND THE, UH, NONPROFITS THAT WE'RE PARTNERING WITH.
I DO WANT TO SAY, IT SOUNDS LIKE WE FOUND A HELPFUL SOLUTION FOR A SECTOR OF PEOPLE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS AND NOW, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO KEEP THIS GOING.
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UM, THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT WE FIGURED IT OUT.I THINK, I THINK IT'S ALL A PROCESS OF DETERMINING HOW WE HELP THE OTHER SECTORS, UM, AND HOW WE MANAGE THAT SITUATION.
SO, UM, ALL THAT TO SAY, UM, GREAT JOB.
I THINK WE STILL HAVE WORK TO DO.
BUT YEAH, I MEAN I THINK THE ANSWER IS THAT THERE'S MULTIPLE ANSWERS.
THIS IS ONE AVENUE TO HELP A CERTAIN KIND OF PERSON AND THEN THERE'S OTHER AVENUES THAT WOULD HELP OTHER PEOPLE, SO.
LOTS, LOTS OF WORK LEFT TO DO.
ANY MORE COMMENTS OR THOUGHTS? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
UM, SO WE STILL LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THEN I'LL MOVE THAT WE RECEIVED THE REPORT FROM CITY STAFF REGARDING THE HOMELESS PROGRAM UPDATE.
SECOND, MOVE TO THE SECOND PLEASE VOTE.
MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.
[12. Wastewater Fund Sewer Service Rate Case RECOMMENDATION: That the City Council: Directs the City Clerk to set a Public Hearing on October 8, 2019, at 7:00 p.m., regarding the proposed changes to the Wastewater Service Rates. Directs staff to proceed with mailing of Public Notices in accordance with Proposition 218 in regards to the proposed changes to the Wastewater Service Rates.]
YOU.I'M TWELVES REPORT ON THE WASTEWATER FUND SEWER SERVICE RATE COP CASE.
I'LL ASK STATE STAFF TO PLEASE ENTER THIS SOCIETAL HI, GOOD AFTERNOON.
HONORABLE MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBERS.
I'M YASMEEN
DURING THIS PRESENTATION TODAY, I WILL SHARE HOW A RATE INCREASE NOW WILL HELP US MITIGATE ISSUES WITH OUR ABILITY TO MAINTAIN OUR CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE AND DELIVER DEPENDABLE SEWER SERVICE TO OUR RESIDENTS.
ALWAYS WATER FROM THE CITY OF EL CAHONE IS TRANSPORTED AND TREAT IT AT THE CITY OF SAN DIEGO'S MATTRESS SYSTEM ALONG WITH 11 OTHER PARTICIPATING AGENCIES IN THE REGION.
THE FINAL DESTINATION OF ALL WASTE WATER FROM THE CITY OF
METRO COSTS ARE READY ACCOUNT FOR 55% OFF OUR SEWER BILL.
ADDITIONALLY, OUR PIPELINES AND INFRASTRUCTURE CONTINUE TO AGE REQUIRING MORE MAINTENANCE, OLD BROKEN AND DETERIORATED.
CLAY PIPES ARE BEING REPLACED WITH PLASTIC PIPES AND OR ALIGNED IN AN EFFORT TO REDUCE MAINTENANCE COSTS AND OVER 60% OF OUR SYSTEM IS OVER 60 YEARS OLD.
OUR SEWER RATE HAVE NOT KEPT PACE IF WE DON'T TAKE ACTION NOW.
THE FUN BALANCE IS IN DANGER OF GOING NEGATIVE THIS YEAR AND IS DISPLAYED IN THIS LIGHT BY THE BLUE LINE.
THE GRAY LINE REPRESENTS THE INDUSTRY RECOMMENDED RESERVE TARGET.
WE'RE GOING BELOW THAT LINE CURRENTLY BELOW THAT GRAY LINE AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO DROP IF WE DON'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT RACING COSTS THAT ARE PASSED ON TO US BY METRO.
THESE COSTS THAT ARE PASSED ONTO US ARE OUT OF OUR CONTROL.
TO ADDRESS THIS, WE HIRE A CONSULTANT AND V FIVE TO DO A RATE STUDY.
THE STUDY REVEALED INITIALLY THAT A 30% INCREASE WAS NECESSARY TO MAINTAIN INDUSTRY STANDARD RESERVES AND FUND OUR FULL COST OR CAPITAL OR FULL CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM.
IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN OUR SYSTEM, WE NEED TO INVEST APPROXIMATELY $10 MILLION EVERY YEAR.
STAFF RECOGNIZE THAT A 30% RATE INCREASE WAS TOO HIGH AND AS NV FIVE TO RUN THE SAME SCENARIO, BUT WITH LIMITED RESERVES, THE RESULTS CAME BACK WITH A RECOMMENDATION TO INCREASE FOR THE TO HAVE A RATE INCREASE THE FIRST YEAR OF 20% SO THEN WE GOT MORE CREATIVE AND WE WENT WITH MINIMAL RESERVES AS WELL AS WE SLICE OUR INVESTMENT OR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM BUDGET AND HALF IN ORDER TO, IN ORDER TO PRESENT THE INCREASES THAT WE HAVE TODAY.
WHAT DO WE HAVE BEFORE YOU TODAY INCLUDES A DECREASED WASTE WATER CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM WHILE MAINTAINING MINIMUM RESERVES.
THE PROJECTED WASTEWATER RATE PERCENTAGE INCREASES ARE SHOWN RIGHT HERE ON THE SCREEN
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AND THIS FIGURES SHOW THE AVERAGE THAT THIS FIGURES ARE FOR AN AVERAGE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE BILL.THE PROPOSED RATES WILL ALLOW US TO AVOID A NEGATIVE FUND BALANCE, GRADUALLY INCREASING THE FUND BALANCE TO ACCEPT THE VA LEVELS.
THIS PLATE DISPLAYED IN THIS START BY THE ORANGE LINE.
SO HOW DO OUR RATES COMPARE WITHIN THE REGION? CURRENTLY WE'RE THE FOURTH LOWEST AND OUR PROJECTED RATES WERE PUT US RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF A PACK.
I'M SEEKING DIRECTION AND AUTHORIZATION TO FOLLOW THE NOTIFICATION AND PUBLIC HEARING REQUIREMENTS OF PROPOSITION TWO 18 FOR OUR PROPOSED SEWER RATE INCREASE.
UM, COUNSEL, HE HAS SOME QUESTIONS.
WELL, START SAFEGUARD THE CHART RIGHT THERE.
THAT'S BEFORE SOME OF THESE AGENCIES ARE COMING OUT WITH PRICE INCREASES.
RIGHT? SO DOES THIS CHART REFLECT THOSE PRICE INCREASES OR IS THIS BEFORE THOSE CHART? THIS CHART ADDRESSES, UM, FOR ONE OF THE CITIES SAY 5% POTENTIAL RATE INCREASE THAT WE KNEW AT THE TIME OF THE STUDY.
UM, THERE ARE, IT'S ABOUT 60 DAYS PROBABLY UP TO DATE.
SO SOME CITIES COULD ALREADY BE IN THE PIPELINE FOR INCREASES, WHICH WOULD MOVE US DOWN THE CHART IN TERMS OF EXPENSE BECAUSE THEY'RE ALREADY PLANNING INCREASES, NOT REFLECTED THERE YET.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT.
I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE DEFERRED MAINTENANCE.
I'M CUTTING OUR MAINTENANCE BY 50%.
I UNDERSTAND THE REASON FOR THE SMOOTHING, BUT DOES THAT PUT US IN A SITUATION WHERE WE'RE, WE'RE TAKING UNDUE RISKS? WELL, WE'LL TAKE IN AN AGGRESSIVE APPROACH.
UM, AND WE DECIDED TO TAKE THAT AGGRESSIVE APPROACH BECAUSE WE JUST, UH, WE WERE ABLE TO COMPLETE A MASSIVE WASTEWATER IMPROVEMENT PROJECT, WHICH WAS THE JOHNSON AVENUE, UH, PIPELINE REPLACEMENT PHASE ONE AND PHASE TWO WITH, UH, SRF FUNDING.
SO THAT WILL, UM, THAT ALLOWED US, WE, WE WERE ABLE TO INVEST IN OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM, UH, AN AVERAGE OF NINE TO 10 MILLION IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS.
SO IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, TAKING THAT APPROACH OF A 50% REDUCED CIP, IT'S THIS, IT'S A RISK THAT WE'RE TAKING, BUT MMM.
WE CONSIDER THAT A 30% RATE INCREASE TO OUR RESIDENCE WAS PRETTY.
IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A LOT OF MONEY.
UM, MY CONCERN IS WHAT'S THE BIGGEST RISK? AND IF WE WANTED THE F THE FRONT OF THE DIRK, THEN WE CAN DO THAT AS WELL.
BUT I DON'T WANT TO PUT US IN A SITUATION WHERE WE'RE ATTEMPTING FATE FOR A SEWER BREAKDOWN OR SOMETHING THAT WOULD END UP COSTING US MORE IN FEES.
AND, AND I KNOW IT'S A LOT MORE EXPENSIVE TO FIX SOMETHING THAT'S BROKEN THAN THE, THAN TO MAINTAIN IT BEFORE IT BREAKS.
IT'S ALL A MATTER OF LOOKING AT THE SYSTEM THAT WE HAVE AND OWNING IT AND IN THE WAY THAT IT IS.
UM, AS SHE SAID EARLIER, AS YASMIN MENTIONED, 60% OF OUR SYSTEM IS CLAY PIPE RIGHT NOW.
AND SO WE HAVE LOOKED AT THE WORST AREA.
WE'VE ACTUALLY ADDED A NEW CAMERA TRUCK RECENTLY IN WHICH WE'RE ABLE TO, THIS IS IN THE LAST TWO YEARS THAT WE'RE ABLE TO GO AND INSPECT THESE PIPES.
AND SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AS A SHORT TERM, UM, MAINTENANCE PLAN SO THAT WE CAN GET BY WITHOUT BUILDING OUR RESERVES AND OUR CIP FUNDS ON THE BACKS OF OUR RESIDENTS, WE ARE GOING TO ANNUALLY INSPECT EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THESE PIPES.
SO WHILE THERE IS A RISK OUT THERE, WE FEEL THAT WE CAN MITIGATE IT AND BY REDUCING THIS, WE'RE GOING TO GO AFTER AND GET AS MANY FEET OF OUR PIPE LINED THAT WE CAN WITH THE MONEY THAT WE ARE UTILIZING AND BUDGETING FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS.
SO WHILE WE ALL HAVE THAT CONCERN, MAYOR, UH, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, WE HAVE LOOKED AT IT AND WE FEEL THAT WE CAN MITIGATE IT OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS TO REDUCE THE RISK TO THE CITY.
YOU'RE COMFORTABLE IN RECOMMENDING THIS PLAN? YES, WE ARE.
IT IS A GREAT PRODUCT AND A GREAT OPPORTUNITY THAT WE
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HAVE TO UTILIZE THIS TECHNOLOGY.TECHNOLOGY HAS COME A LONG WAY IN THE LAST 10, FIVE YEARS AND WE'RE ABLE TO REALLY TAKE AN AGGRESSIVE LOOK AT THIS AND ADDRESS SOME OF THESE PROBLEMS IN WAYS THAT WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO IN THE PAST.
AND SO BY DOING THIS, WE ARE ABLE TO EXTEND THE LIFE OF THESE PIPES, UH, FOR A GREAT DEAL OF TIME.
UH, I THINK WE HAVE SOME PIPES THAT ARE IN THE GROUND SINCE THE 20S.
UH, MOST OF THEM WERE INSTALLED IN THE 60S.
AND SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THESE VERY CLOSELY AND WE FEEL THAT WE ARE ABLE TO, UH, PUSH OUT SOME OF THE MAJOR IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE LESS CRITICAL, BUT WE, THAT THEY'RE ON THE TIMELINE THERE, UH, WITHOUT PUTTING THE SYSTEM AT RISK.
AND SO WE ARE, UH, WE'RE INCREASING THE INSPECTIONS TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT, KEEPING AN EYE ON IT AND SPENDING OUR MONEY WHERE IT'S NEEDED, UH, IN THE SHORT TERM, IN THE NEXT FIVE, UH, POSSIBLY 10 YEARS.
BUT WE WILL RATCHET THAT UP AS WE ARE ABLE TO, UH, GET THE FUND BALANCE UP TO WHERE IT IS.
IT NEEDS TO BE ACCORDING TO INDUSTRY STANDARD.
AND I'M SURE PEOPLE DON'T WANT, UH, THE SEWER STUFF BOILING UP IN THEIR HOUSES OR IN THEIR STREETS OR WHEREVER.
WELL, I CAN GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE.
THIS LAST WINTER WE DID HAVE A COLLAPSE FAILED CLAY PIPE IN WHICH WE HAD A, WE CALL IT A ROCK ZILLA WHERE A BIG OLD FOOTBALL SIZED ROCK ACTUALLY WENT THROUGH THE, BROKE THE BREAK IN THE PIPE, IT CLOGGED IT UP AND IT BACKED UP INTO A HOUSE OF SOME RESIDENTS.
THOSE RESIDENTS WERE DISPLACED FOR ABOUT A MONTH.
AND WHILE WE HAD TO GO IN AND RESTORE THE HOUSE, UH, THERE WAS SEWAGE PRETTY MUCH AN INCH DEEP THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE HOUSE.
SO WE DO NOT WANT THAT TO HAPPEN TO OUR RESIDENTS AND WE WANT TO KEEP A GOOD EYE ON THEM.
THESE THINGS, IS THIS RATE INCREASE GOING TO SUFFICIENTLY, UM, BE ENOUGH TO WHERE WE PROBABLY WILL BE ABLE TO AVOID THAT IN THE FUTURE? ABSOLUTELY.
AND IF YOU NOTICE THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO TAKE A LOOK AT WAYS TO, UM, PASS ON THE, THE COSTS THAT ARE BEING BORN TO US THROUGH THE METRO SYSTEM AND WHATEVER OUTSIDE TREATMENT AND TRANSPORTATION COSTS THAT, THAT WE, UH, RECEIVE.
SO WE ARE PROPOSING TO HAVE A PASS THROUGH CLAUSE IN THIS ORDINANCE, WHICH WILL ALLOW US TO ADJUST ON THE FLY IF THINGS DO TAKE A TURN FOR THE WORSE THAT ARE OUT OF OUR, THE CITY OF OKLAHOMANS CONTROL.
OH, HOW WAS THAT ROCK BE ABLE TO GET IN THERE AND DAMAGE THAT PIPE IF, IF WE'RE INSPECTING THEM.
WAS THAT KIND OF A BOAT? THE ROCK WAS THE BREAK IN THE PIPE, WAS THAT BIG THAT ALLOWED THAT ROCK TO GET IN THERE? OH, SO THE PIPE IS ALREADY BROKEN.
THE PIPE BROKE, WHICH ALLOWED A ROCK TO THEN LODGE IN THERE.
SO IF WE HADN'T HAD A FAULTY PIPE, THE ROCKWOOD IS STILL STAYED ON THE OUTSIDE OF THAT PIPE.
WELL, UM, HOW DO WE PREVENT ANOTHER BREAK IN A PIPE THAT MAY BE, OR ANOTHER ROCK MIGHT COME IN AND DESTROY THE PIPE AND SOMEBODY IS HOME? WELL, I WOULD LOVE TO STAND HERE AND TALK FOR HOURS ABOUT THIS BECAUSE I CAN NERD OUT ON IT.
I DO LOVE SOME SEWAGE AND UM, IT'S, IT'S A LOT OF FUN.
BUT WE DO HAVE AN INSPECTION PROGRAM, WHICH IS GOING THROUGH THAT.
WE LOOK FOR OFFSETS, WE LOOK FOR CRACKS, OFFSETS WHERE THE PIPES AREN'T ALIGNED PERFECTLY ANYMORE.
UM, WE ARE OUR PROFESSIONALS WHO DO THIS HAVE A TRAINED EYE TO LOOK FOR THOSE THINGS, WHICH WOULD BE, UM, POTENTIAL RISK.
AND SO THAT'S THE APPROACH THAT WE'RE TAKING AND TAKING A VERY CLOSE DETAILS AND NOTES ON THESE THINGS.
AM I RIGHT IN ASSUMING THAT THE LINING THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING IN WILL ALSO PREVENT THESE KINDS OF THINGS HAPPENING? ABSOLUTELY.
AND THE LINING DOES ONLY ELIGIBLE ON SOME OF THE PIPES, SO WE WILL STILL HAVE SOME PIPES THAT ARE REPLACEMENT, UH, ELIGIBLE FOR REPLACEMENT.
THE LINING IS, IS WHERE WE STILL HAVE CAPACITY IN THAT LINE AND, AND WHERE THE EXISTING PIPE IS STILL FORMED SUFFICIENTLY FOR US TO PUT A NEW, UH, LINER IN THERE.
BUT THERE ARE SOME VERY FEW INSTANCES, BUT SOME INSTANCES WHERE WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO DO, UM, FULL TRENCHING AND REPLACEMENT.
SO SOME OF THEM ARE PARTIALLY COLLAPSED THEN IN THOSE CASES.
YEAH, WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO, YEAH.
STEVE, UH, ARE THERE ARE GRANTS FOR THIS KIND OF STUFF ALSO? UH, NOT THAT I KNOW OF.
THERE, THERE AREN'T A WHOLE LOT OF GRANTS OUT THERE FOR, UH, SEWER REPLACEMENT.
UM, MOST OF THE GRANTS THEY EXIST OUT THERE IN TODAY'S WORLD ARE MOSTLY FOR CIRCULATION ELEMENT TYPE THINGS FOR PEDESTRIANS AND, UH, ENERGY EFFICIENCY AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
LET'S GO BACK TO THE CHART, WHICH WAS THE NUMERICAL CHART OF THE BASE RATE, THE ONM AND THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT AND THE TOTAL,
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UH, YOU'RE GOING BACK, UH, THE NUMERICAL CHART HAD FOUR LINES ON IT RIGHT THERE.SO O AND M STANDS FOR OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE.
AND CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS ARE OUR MONEY TO ACTUALLY FIX STRUCTURE RATHER THAN CLEAN IT OUT KIND OF THING, RIGHT? CORRECT.
SO PROBABLY THE TYPICAL RESIDENT OKLAHOMAN'S GOING TO SAY, SO WHAT DOES THIS TRANSLATE TO IN TERMS OF DOLLARS PER MONTH FOR AN INCREASE FOR ME? CAN YOU GIVE US A SENSE OF THAT? WELL, ACCORDING TO THIS CHART HERE, WHICH WE'VE DETAILED, UM, THE BOTTOM LINE THERE IS YOU'LL SEE RATE INCREASES FROM ABOUT $48 NOW AS THE AVERAGE UP TO $55 61 AND SO ON THROUGHOUT THIS CHART.
UM, AND SO IF YOU LOOK AT A MONTHLY AVERAGE BILL, WHICH WE USE AN AVERAGE BILL OF SOMEONE THAT USES 9.5 UNITS OF WATER ON A MONTHLY BASIS, AND WE USE THAT 9.5 BENCHMARK BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE INDUSTRY STANDARD FOR THE COUNTY IS.
SO THAT WE CAN COMPARE LIKE THAT OTHER CHART US AGAINST OTHER CITIES AND AGENCIES IN THE COUNTY.
UH, HOWEVER, WHEN WE RUN OUR ACTUAL NUMBERS, OUR CITY AVERAGE IS MORE LIKE 8.5 SO IF WE TAKE OUR AVERAGE THAT THE EVERYBODY USES 9.5 THESE ARE THE NUMBERS, BUT THE AVERAGE RESIDENT IN OKLAHOMA IS A LITTLE BIT LESS THAN THIS, SO NUMBERS WILL TRANSLATE TO A LITTLE BIT LOWER.
SO OUR SEWER BILLS ARE BASED ON TWO MONTHS.
SO YOUR 8.5 IS REALLY 17 UNITS OF WATER DURING A WATER BILL, WHICH TRANSLATES TO OUR SEWER BILL, RIGHT? CORRECT.
WATER BILL TRYING TO FIGURE THAT OUT.
SO IT'S ABOUT 17 UNITS ON A TYPICAL WATER BILL.
IT'D BE THAT WHAT THESE RATES ARE BASED ON.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT $6 AND 50 CENTS INCREASE PER MONTH IN THE EARLY YEARS AND FIVE YEARS FROM NOW ABOUT AN $11 INCREASE PER HOUSEHOLD.
SO SIX 52 11 OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS.
NOW, ONE OF THE ADVANTAGES OF THIS ALSO IS THAT AS WE MOVE TOWARDS ADVANCED WATER PURIFICATION IN PARTNERSHIP WITH PADRE DAM AND THE COUNTY OF SAN DIEGO, AND ONE OTHER WHO IS ESCAPING ME, HE LOOKS FROM THE OUTSIDE THE JPA, BUT, BUT CERTAINLY A PARTNER IN THIS, IF 55% OF THESE COSTS COME FROM METRO SAN DIEGO AND THEY'RE BIG MULTIBILLION-DOLLAR PURE WATER THING, COSTS ARE ONLY GOING TO GO UP A LOT I THINK IN THAT.
SO IF WE GO TO AWP ADVANCED WATER PURIFICATION, I THINK WE HAVE MORE CONTROL OVER OUR SEWER RATES GOING FORWARD.
UH, WHEN THAT REPRESENTS, HOW WOULD YOU AGREE WITH THAT? YEAH.
BETTER CONTROL OVER THE BIGGEST CHUNK OF THE PIE.
AND THAT'S BUILT INTO THIS TOO.
WELL, EVERYTHING'S KIND OF FINANCED OUT, SO IT'S A SMOOTHING EFFECT ON, ON THESE LARGE PROJECTS, WHETHER THEY'RE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PURE WATER OR ADVANCED WATER PURIFICATION.
SO IT'S NOT A HUGE UPFRONT COST BORNE ALL AT ONCE.
IT'S KIND OF A, A COST THAT'S FINANCED OUT OVER TIME AND PAID FOR OVER TIME.
HEY, WELL THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
UH, STAFF, DID YOU WANT TO INTERJECT ANYTHING BEFORE WE TAKE IT? THE COUNCIL? NO, SIR.
COUNSEL, IT'S UP FOR DISCUSSION.
UH, IT'S A, IT'S A OH YEAH, WE DIDN'T, I DIDN'T ASK ABOUT PUBLIC COMMENT.
YOU KNOW, I'M ALWAYS CONCERNED ABOUT RATE INCREASES.
UM, IT SEEMS LIKE THIS IS THE MOST REASONABLE APPROACH.
UH, I WISH WE DIDN'T HAVE TO PUT OFF THE FURRED MAINTENANCE, BUT AT THE SAME TIME I DON'T WANT TO SHOCK PEOPLE WITH TOO MUCH OF A RATE INCREASE.
IT SEEMS LIKE THE RIGHT KIND OF COMPROMISE TO ME.
I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY FEELS DIFFERENTLY.
I THINK IT'S A GOOD COMPROMISE BECAUSE AS THE DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS SAID WHEN WE HAD AN INCIDENT LAST WINTER, THAT WAS A CHUNK OF CHANGE OUT OF THE WASTEWATER FUND JUST FOR ONE ADDRESS.
THAT MONEY COULD HAVE BEEN USED FOR WHAT WE'RE DESCRIBING HERE IN THESE PIPE MUCH MORE EFFICIENTLY.
SO I'M CONCERNED IF WE DON'T ADDRESS THIS DEFERRED MAINTENANCE, WE'RE GOING TO END UP WITH REALLY EXPENSIVE SINGLE INCIDENTS AND STILL NOT FIX THE PROBLEM.
I THINK IT'S THE RESPONSIBLE THING TO DO TO NORMALIZE THESE RATE INCREASES.
I THINK THE PRESENTATION STATED THAT WE HAVE, WE'VE HAD ONE INCREASE IN 20 YEARS, SO WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO KEEP UP WITH THIS, WITH
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THE MAINTENANCE THAT'S REQUIRED.SO SMOOTHING IT OUT, I THINK IS A GOOD TACTIC.
UH, SO YEAH, I'M, I'M IN AGREEMENT AND LET THIS BE A GOOD LESSON TO YOUNGER PEOPLE ON.
THE COUNSELOR MIGHT BE HERE FOR AWHILE.
I KNOW NOBODY WANTS, NOBODY WANTS TO RAISE RATES, BUT WHEN YOU LET IT GO FOR 20 YEARS, UH, THEN YOU'VE GOT A MESS LIKE THIS.
I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN MORE PROACTIVE ABOUT SEEING THIS COMING.
SOME OF THE LIGHTS MAKE A MOTION.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO DIRECT THE CITY CLERK TO SET A PUBLIC HEARING ON OCTOBER 8TH, 2019 AT 7:00 PM REGARDING THE PROPOSED CHANGES TO THE WASTEWATER RATES.
LET'S MOVE TO THE SECOND AND PLEASE VOTE.
MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.
I LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO DIRECT STAFF TO PROCEED WITH A MAILING OF PUBLIC NOTICES IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE PROPOSITION TWO 18 REGARDING THE PRO'S PROPOSED CHANGES TO RATES.
SECOND IS VOTE MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.
[13. Code of Ethics and Conduct for Elected and Appointed Officials RECOMMENDATION: That the City Council considers staff’s analysis regarding a code of ethics and conduct policy and provide feedback.]
ITEM 13 IS FOR THE CODE OF ETHICS AND CONDUCT FOR ELECTED AND APPOINTED OFFICIALS STAFF.WOULD YOU TELL US ABOUT THIS PLEASE? CERTAINLY.
MR MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL EARLIER THIS SUMMER ON JUNE 11TH, THE CITY COUNCIL DIRECTED STAFF TO COME BACK WITH A POLICY, A DRAFT POLICY THAT ADDRESSED UH, ETHICS AND THE CONDUCT OF COUNCIL MEMBERS AND APPOINTEES.
STAFF HAS REVIEWED CURRENT EXISTING CITY POLICIES ABOUT THIS TOPIC, HAS LOOKED AT SOME OTHER POLICIES ADOPTED BY OTHER CITIES AND DRAFTED A POLICY FOR THE CITY COUNCIL TO CONSIDER.
UM, JUST AS A REFRESHER AND YOU HAVE COPIES OF THESE POLICIES ON THE DAYAS, BUT THE CITY CURRENTLY HAS THREE DIFFERENT TYPES OF POLICIES THAT ADDRESS THE THINGS THAT ARE ADDRESSED IN THE POLICY BEFORE YOU.
ONE IS, UM, SYDNEY COUNCIL POLICY.
EIGHT 23 IS A STATEMENT OF ETHIC, ETHIC, ETHICAL PRINCIPLES.
THAT INCLUDES ABOUT 33 DIFFERENT ETHICAL STATEMENTS THAT THE COUNCILS AND I'M EXPECTED TO FOLLOW.
UM, POLY CITY COUNCIL POLICY EIGHT 24 IS A ONE PAGE, UH, POLICY THAT INCLUDES SOME BROAD RANGING TOPICS OF CIVILITY AND IDENTIFY AS SOME PLACES WHERE THERE TO BE CIVILITY.
AND THEN BUILDING ON THAT CIVILITY POLICY.
THE CITY COUNCIL RECENTLY ADOPTED THE RULES OF DECORUM AND ENFORCEMENT, WHICH MODIFIED THE MUNICIPAL CODE.
THE CITATION IS ON THE SCREEN, WHICH I IDENTIFIED SIX SPECIFIC RULES OF DECORUM TO BE EXERCISED BY NOT ONLY THE CITY COUNCIL BUT THE PUBLIC DURING A CITY COUNCIL MEETING.
A STAFF ALSO HAS PROVIDED AND REVIEWED SEVERAL POLICIES FROM OTHER CITIES AND WE PROVIDED THOSE NOT BECAUSE WE ARE ENAMORED WITH THOSE POLICIES, BUT JUST TO SHOW YOU A RANGE OF WHAT CAN BE.
SO A ROYAL GRAND DAY FOR EXAMPLE, HAS A TWO PAGE POLICY WHERE THE CITY OF SUNNYVALE HAS A 19 PAGER.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS THAT A CITY COUNCIL CAN, CAN LOOK TOWARD.
UM, AS THE CITY DRAFTED, UM, OUR CITY STAFF DRAFTED A POLICY FOR COUNCIL CONSIDERATION.
WE TRY TO BALANCE SIMPLICITY WITH ENOUGH SUBSTANCE FOR THE POLICY TO BE EFFECTIVE AND MEANINGFUL.
AND THROUGH THAT THE STAFF HAS DEVELOPED SORT OF THREE DIFFERENT COMPONENTS OR SECTIONS OF THE POLICY THAT'S INCLUDED IN YOUR STAFF REPORT.
FIRST, THERE'S SORT OF AN OVERVIEW OR AN INTRODUCTION OF THE POLICY AND THIS REALLY INCLUDES SOME OF THE IDEAS THAT MR. ORTIZ BROUGHT FORWARD AS HE PRESENTED THIS ITEM FOR CITY COUNCIL CONSIDERATION BACK IN JUNE.
AND IT IDENTIFY AS BEING A STEWARD TO THE PUBLIC INTEREST.
IT TALKS ABOUT ACTING IN A, IN A MANNER THAT'S ABOVE REPROACH.
AND IT ALSO TALKS ABOUT ACTING WITH HONOR, INTEGRITY AND WISDOM.
AND THESE GOALS ARE SORT OF OVERARCHING LARGER IDEAS THAT ARE THEN SUPPORTED BY 16 SPECIFIC TENANTS THAT ARE INCLUDED IN THE POLICY.
UM, STAFF SORT OF TOOK THOSE, UM, TENANTS IN, IN, UH, AND TOOK SOME OF THE ITEMS THAT WERE THAT 33 STATEMENTS OF ETHICS AND THE FOUR STATEMENTS OF CIVILITY AND INCORPORATED THEM AND SORT OF, I GUESS, UM, BOIL THEM DOWN INTO SOME REALLY WHAT WE THOUGHT WERE POWERFUL POINTS THAT HAD ENOUGH SUBSTANCE.
SO A COUNCIL MEMBER OR A POP MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC CAN SAY, OKAY, I UNDERSTAND WHAT THIS MEANS.
I UNDERSTAND ITS APPLICATION TO AN INDIVIDUAL AND IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD ACTUALLY UTILIZE AS A TOOL TO ENSURE THAT THERE IS AN ETHICAL BEHAVIOR AND AS A CIVILITY AMONGST THE COUNCIL MEMBERS.
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THING THAT STAFF INCLUDED IN THIS POLICY WAS A SECTION ABOUT ADMONITIONS OR CENTERS, SOMETHING THAT THE CITY COUNCIL DOES NOT HAVE ANYWHERE IN ANY OF ITS POLICIES OR THE MUNICIPAL CODE A LOT OF CITIES DO.AND AGAIN, THERE ARE A RANGE OF OPTIONS THAT A CITY COUNCIL CAN CONSIDER.
UH, WE EXPLORED SOME POLICIES THAT UH, SET FORTH A FORM THAT YOU WOULD, A COUNCIL MEMBER WOULD SUBMIT THE CITY CLERK, WHICH WOULD THEN UM, TRIGGER THE FORMATION OF AN AD HOC COMMITTEE MADE UP OF COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT WOULD BE APPOINTED BY THE MAYOR.
BUT IF THE MAYOR WERE THE ONE BEING CENSURED, THEN THERE WAS A PROTOCOL FOR THAT IS VERY COMPLICATED MANNER OF CENSURE AND ADMONITION STAFF'S RECOMMENDING.
AGAIN, MORE OF A SIMPLISTIC APPROACH.
UM, WE LOOKED AT SOME OTHER POLICIES AND MIRRORED THE DRAFT POLICY BASED ON THOSE.
WE THINK THERE'S SORT OF THREE TYPES OF ADMONITIONS OR SENSORS THAT CAN BE CONSIDERED.
THE FIRST IS MORE OF A GENERAL ADMONITION AND THIS COULD BE UM, SOMETHING ADOPTED BY THE COUNCIL MAJORITY THAT'S REALLY DIRECTED TO EITHER THE ENTIRE CITY COUNCIL.
JUST AS A REMINDER OF THIS IS A, THIS IS A POLICY OR THIS IS A EXPECTATION OF BEHAVIOR THAT THE ENTIRE COUNCIL HAS OR CAN ACTUALLY BE DIRECTED TOWARDS AN INDIVIDUAL, BUT IT'S BEFORE FINDINGS OR ARE OCCUR OR BEFORE, BEFORE THERE'S A, UM, A FORMAL STUDY OF WHAT IS, WHAT IS OCCURRED OR, UM, IF THERE'S BEEN A POTENTIAL VIOLATION OF THE MUNICIPAL CODE OR OF THIS POLICY.
UM, THERE'S ALSO AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE AN INFORMAL ADMONITION AND THIS HAS COME FROM AN INDIVIDUAL COUNCIL MEMBER.
UM, IF THEY FEEL THAT A COUNCIL MEMBER OR OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS OR A PLANNING COMMISSIONER ARE ACTING INAPPROPRIATELY, IT WOULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM DURING A COUNCIL MEETING TO ADMONISH ONE OF THEIR COLLEAGUES OR ONE OF YOUR APPOINTEES.
THE LAST OPTION, AND THIS IS THE MOST OFFICIAL OR THE MOST SEVERE, BUT THAT IS IN THE FORM OF A, AND THIS WOULD BE AN OFFICIAL REPRIMAND OR AN OFFICIAL CONDEMNATION FOR BEHAVIOR OR A VIOLATION OF THIS CODE.
IT WOULD ALSO INCLUDE, UM, THE, THE POTENTIAL LOSS OF CITY COUNCIL APPOINTMENTS OR OTHER PRIVILEGES.
IT DOES NOT REQUIRE, UM, DOES NOT INCLUDE FINES.
IT DOES NOT INCLUDE DOCKING OF PAY FOR EXAMPLE.
AND IT ALSO ENSURES THAT THE PERSON THAT'S BEING CENSURED HAS THEIR DUE PROCESS RIGHTS PROTECTED.
SO THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE A FORMAL HEARING WHERE EVIDENCE IS PRESENTED AND UH, THE COUNCIL WOULD ACT IN A, IN A JUDICIAL MANNER.
UM, THESE ARE SORT OF THREE, UH, EXTREMES, ONE FROM BEING A VERY INFORMAL ADMONITION TO MORE OF A, A VERY FORMAL CENSURE.
AND WE THINK THAT THIS MAY BE A NICE STEP TO FIRST TAKE AS A COUNSEL VENTURES INTO THIS.
SO IN CONCLUSION, UM, STAFF AGAIN RELIED ON OUR EXISTING POLICIES.
WE LOOKED AT OTHER POLICIES FROM OTHER CITIES.
WE TRIED TO STRIKE THAT BALANCE BETWEEN SIMPLICITY AND THOROUGHNESS AND WE'RE SEEKING COUNCIL'S FEEDBACK ON THE POLICY THAT'S BEEN DRAFTED.
IF, IF WE'RE ON THE RIGHT TRACK, WE WOULD TWEAK THINGS BASED ON THE COMMENTS FROM THE COUNCIL.
WE WOULD BRING THAT BACK FOR FORMAL ADOPTION.
BUT IF STAFF COMPLETELY GOT IT WRONG AND YOU WANTED TO GO DOWN A VERY DIFFERENT DIRECTION, WE'RE OPEN TO THAT TOO.
AND WE'RE LOOKING FOR YOUR THOUGHTS AND COMMENTS.
WE'RE HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.
FIRST OFF, I'M DOING SPEAK CARDS ON THE SIDE.
WE'LL COME BACK AND HAVE THE DISCUSSION.
THANK YOU AGAIN FOR FIRST BRINGING THIS UP.
UH, THAT'S, UH, THERE'S A LOT OF LATITUDE, BUT EVERYTHING WAS JUST SAID THERE.
YOU KNOW, IT'S A LITTLE BIT, UH, VERY WELL.
WE HAVE TO WAIT AND SEE I GUESS, BUT I'LL, I'LL JUST SIMPLY SAY THREE THINGS THAT I FEEL ABOUT THAT.
UH, THERE SHOULD BE A VOICE OF CONSCIENCE.
REQUIRED, UH, CIVIL DISCLOSURE AND AN UPRISING OF DECENCY.
AND THAT, THAT REQUIRES, THAT CAN APPLY TO PUBLIC ALSO.
BUT THAT'S ABOUT ALL I HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THAT.
BUT LIKE I SAID, THIS SOUNDS VERY WIDE AND, AND OPEN YET YOU KNOW ABOUT HOW IT'S ALL GOING TO BE HANDLED THIN.
THERE'S ARE LOT OF OPTIONS IT SOUNDS LIKE, BUT SO I'LL BE INTERESTED TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS IN THE FUTURE AS SOMETHING MAY ARISE.
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CARDS, SIR.SO THEN WE GET BACK TO QUESTIONS.
PHIL, DO YOU WANT TO START
UH, JUST TO KIND OF REITERATE WHEN I BROUGHT THIS UP, UM, I THINK THIS CODE OF CONDUCT IS GOING TO BE A BAROMETER FOR THE PUBLIC TO KNOW HOW ELECTED OFFICIALS SHOULD BE CONDUCTING THEMSELVES.
UM, IT SHOULD BE A TOOL, UH, WHEN, WHEN THE PUBLIC IS VOTING AND I GOT TO TIP MY HAT TO THE CITY STAFF.
THEY TOOK THE SPIRIT OF WHAT I WANTED TO ACCOMPLISH AND THEY PUT IT INTO PRACTICAL, UM, MEASURABLE ACTIONS, UH, FOR ELECTEDS AND APPOINTED.
UM, SO I'M HA, I, I'M HAPPY WITH IT.
I READ THROUGH IT A COUPLE OF TIMES.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS.
WELL, I HAVE A LITTLE DIFFERENT TAKE, BUT WE CAN GET IT.
I KIND OF THINK THAT THESE THINGS CAN GET TOO COMPLICATED AND THEY CAN BECOME REAL LEGALISTIC.
I, I KINDA WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT BE SIMPLE, KIND OF LIKE A 10 COMMANDMENTS TYPE OF THING WHERE WE COULD USE THE DATA.
UM, I MEAN LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, WE HAD AN ISSUE WHERE WE'RE AT A COUNCIL MEMBER HAD BEEN ACCUSED OF, OF USING CITY STAFF TOO, SETTLE A DISPUTE HE WAS HAVING IN HIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, AN ANSWER TO THAT WOULD BE COUNCIL MEMBERS WILL NOT OVERRIDE THE CHAIN OF COMMAND AND REQUEST SERVICES OF STAFF WITHOUT APPROVAL OF THE CITY MANAGER.
IT'S, IT'S, EH, IT'S NOT DEBATABLE.
SO I, I PERSONALLY WOULD LIKE TO REDIRECT STAFF TOWARDS A SIMPLE 10 TO 20 BASIC COMMON DECENCY EXPECTATIONS THAT WE WOULD HAVE OF OTHER CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS.
UM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, FOR EXAMPLE, I LOOK AT THIS AND I SAYS, UM, THIS IS ON THE CITY OF ALCOHOL AND CITY COUNCIL POLICY STATEMENT OF ETHICAL PRINCIPLES, ASSISTANT ASSIST IN THE CLARIFICATION OF COMMUNITY GOALS, OBJECTIVES AND POLICIES AND PLAN MAKING.
WELL, I, THAT'S A, THAT'S KIND OF PART OF OUR JOB DESCRIPTION, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S, IT'S PART OF THE CODE OF CONDUCT.
IT'S LIKE IT'S NOT AN ETHICS ISSUE.
IT'S, IT'S AND OTHER ONES PAY SPECIAL ATTENTION TO INTERRELATEDNESS OF DECISIONS AND THE LONG RATES, CONSEQUENCES OF PRESENT ACTIONS COMPLETELY SOMETHING WE SHOULD ALL BE DOING PART OF OUR JOB DESCRIPTION.
BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S A CODE OF CONDUCT ISSUE.
WHEREAS DISPARAGING SOMEBODY ON SOCIAL MEDIA THAT YOU, THAT YOU ARE, IS ONE OF YOUR COLLEAGUES IS, IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S DEFINITELY NOT IN YOUR JOB DESCRIPTION.
WELL, I MEAN THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE.
WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE HERE BECAUSE WE HAVE A NIGHTMARE IN THE PAST AND WE DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING, WE DIDN'T HAVE A PLAN TO DEAL WITH IT NOW.
SO I'M NOT SET ON THIS, IT'S JUST A RECOMMENDATION.
BUT I'M WONDERING IF WE COULD JUST SIMPLIFY THE WHOLE PROCESS, JUST SOME MAKE SOME BASIC CODES OF CONDUCT THAT THAT UH, EVERYBODY CAN LIVE WITH AND NOT MAKE IT SO COMPLICATED THAT WOULD BE HARD FOR PEOPLE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IT MEANT AND, AND ARGUE ABOUT THAT THOUGHTS.
I THINK THE SIMPLER, THE BETTER AND MY PRIMARY CONCERN IS THAT PEOPLE COMING UP TO EXPRESS THEIR OPINION OR ASK US FOR HELP, UH, AREN'T DISPARAGED BY ANY COUNCIL MEMBERS OR PLANNING COMMISSIONERS.
THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO ME.
THEY HAVE TO BE, EVEN IF THE DIF DISAGREE WITH US, THEY HAD TO FEEL COMFORTABLE COMING UP AND GIVING THEIR OPINION AND NOT BE SUBJECT TO ATTACKS ON SOCIAL MEDIA OR SOMEONE MAKING A VIDEO AND DISPARAGING AN ORGANIZATION AND SHOWING YOU THAT AT THE COUNCIL MEETING.
I THINK THAT'S KIND OF THING IS REALLY
I THINK WE SHOULD REQUIRE ALL COUNSELORS BE POLITE AND CIVIL TO ANYBODY WHO COMES UP AND SPEAKS TO US NO MATTER WHETHER WE AGREE WITH THEM OR DON'T AGREE WITH THEM.
AND I THINK THAT IF YOU INSIST UPON RUDE OR AGGRESSIVE THAT YOU COULD BE CENSORED FOR THAT OR GROWTH.
I'M, I'M KIND OF A FIRST AMENDMENT KIND OF PERSON.
AS MUCH AS I HATE THE DISPARAGING VIDEOS THAT WERE DONE AGAINST ORGANIZATIONS, I ALMOST FEEL LIKE THAT'S A COUNCIL MEMBERS FREE SPEECH ALL OF A SUDDEN DISRUPT SOME MEETING AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT DISRUPTION BEFORE THAT IT INTERRUPTS THE FLOW OF BUSINESS, KEEPS BUSINESS FROM GETTING DONE.
AS MUCH AS I REALLY DON'T LIKE SOME OF THE THINGS I THINK THAT'S PART OF AMERICA IS YOU GET TO SAY
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WHAT YOU WANT, ESPECIALLY AS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL.IT'S, IT'S REPULSIVE IN SOME SENSES, BUT THAT IS AMERICA.
HERE'S, HERE'S THE DIFFERENCE AND I, I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU ABOUT PROTECTING THE FIRST AMENDMENT, BUT THE DIFFERENCES IS THAT WE'RE NOT SAYING WE'RE GOING TO DOCK YOUR PAY OR KICK YOU OUT OF THE ORGANIZATION IF YOU DON'T COMPLY.
WE'RE SAYING THAT IF YOU DON'T MEET THE STANDARDS THAT, THAT YOU WILL BE CENSORED.
WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? ALL THAT, ALL THAT MEANS IS THAT YOU GET A PUBLIC, YOU GET OUR PUBLIC FREE SPEECH TO SAY AS A BODY, WE DON'T LIKE IT, AND SO NOBODY'S FREE SPEECHES.
HE'S SO A COUNCILMAN, A BOZO COMES UP, GETS ELECTED, AND HE'S RUDE TO EVERYBODY AND HE'S HORRIBLE TO EVERYBODY.
HE, HE, BUT WE MAKE IT, WE MAKE IT PUBLIC.
AND I THINK THE IMPORTANT THING IS, IS THAT WE'RE TELLING THE, THE, THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE HERE, WE'RE GOING TO FIGHT FOR YOU AND WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T VIOLATE HIS FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS, BUT WE WILL TELL HIM HE'S WRONG AND WE WILL TELL HIM THAT IT'S NOT ACCEPTABLE AND WE WILL, WE WILL FIGHT FOR YOU.
SO DOES THAT MAKE SENSE IN THAT RESPECT? IT DOES.
AND I THINK IN THE PAST YOU HAVE CENSURED UH, OTHER PEOPLE WHO HAVE DONE THINGS WHICH ARE SENT THEM TO JAIL.
AND YOU'VE ISSUED THE COUNCIL, HAS THIS ISSUED ASSENSURE OF THAT PERSON? SURE.
THERE'S NO, UH, POWER TO IT OTHER THAN WE DISAGREE WITH WHAT THIS PERSON'S DONE THAT I THINK THAT DOES HAVE VALUE.
I TOO, AM A LITTLE WARY OF GETTING A WHOLE LOT OF DETAILS.
I THINK THE MORE DETAILS WE START TO WRITE INTO THINGS OR I FEEL LIKE WE START TO INFRINGE ON FREE SPEECH.
UH, AND, AND YOU GET INTO A MUDDY AREA THERE.
IT'S ALSO CREATING FAMILY RULES.
IT'S LIKE YOU'RE WATCHING A FAMILY UP HERE ARGUE AMONG YOURSELVES.
AND THAT'S REALLY AWKWARD TO WATCH FAMILY MEMBERS ARGUE.
BUT, UH, THAT'S JUST PART OF THE OPEN, TRANSPARENT PROCESS OF GOVERNMENT UNFORTUNATELY.
AND I'M LESS AS BEST I AGREE WITH YOU.
UM, I ALSO THINK THAT WE SHOULD BE CAREFUL ABOUT USING THE, THE SET OF RULES AS A POLITICAL CLUB.
UM, YOU KNOW, WHETHER YOU AGREE WITH WHAT'S HAPPENING IN WASHINGTON OR NOT, WE, THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE THAT THE PRESIDENT UNITED STATES IS, IS BEING THREATENED WITH, UM, BEING REMOVED FROM THE PRESIDENCY BECAUSE THEY DON'T LIKE HIS POLITICS.
AND I, I DON'T WANT, I DON'T WANT US TO GET INVOLVED IN IT.
IF WE HAVE A SITUATION WHERE YOU HAVE A, UH, FREE TO MAJORITY HERE AND THE THREE, YOU WANT TO PUNISH THE TWO BECAUSE THEY DON'T LIKE THEIR POLITICS.
AND SO THEY, THEY USE THE CENSORSHIP, UH, OPPORTUNITY.
I THINK THAT'S COMPLETELY WRONG.
AND WE SHOULD, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD QUANTIFY THAT IN, IN OUR WRITINGS THAT WE DON'T WANT THIS TO HAPPEN.
A, IF PEOPLE ARE BOUND AND DETERMINED TO CENSOR YOU BECAUSE YOU'VE SAID SOMETHING THAT'S POLITICALLY OFFENSIVE TO THEM, UM, THEN I'LL DO IT.
BUT I, I THINK WE SHOULD AT LEAST ACKNOWLEDGE THE FACT THAT THAT SHOULDN'T HAPPEN.
I GUESS MY QUESTION TO COUNCILMAN RT, SINCE THIS WAS YOUR, UH, YOUR PASSION, DO THE EXISTING POLICIES COVER WHAT YOU HAD HOPED TO OR IS THERE SOMETHING MISSING THAT'S BEEN ADDED THAT YOU WANT? WHEN I LOOKED OVER IT, IT WAS LIKE A CITY MANAGER STATED IT WAS RATHER CONVOLUTED AND THERE WAS NO OVERARCHING THEME OF HOW WE SHOULD BE CONDUCTING OURSELVES AS ELECTED OFFICIALS.
UM, THE BEGINNING PORTION THAT I WROTE DOES STAY VERY HIGH LEVEL AND IT DOES NOT GET INTO SPECIFICS.
UM, AND I CAN SEE THE, THE RABBIT TRAIL WE CAN GET INTO.
IF WE GO WITH SPECIFICS, I HAVE A SUGGESTION, MR TEAS, PLEASE.
WHY DON'T YOU HAD A SUBCOMMITTEE THAT IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE LONG AND DRAWN OUT.
IT CAN HAVE ONE MEETING, BUT UM, UH, SO COMMITTEE THAT WILL WRITE UP A DRAFT FOR THE STAFF TO LOOK AT AND MAKE SURE THAT IT PASSES THE LEGAL TEST AND THEY COME BACK TO US.
GRAHAM DOES THIS, WHAT WE HAVE THIS DRAFT FALL IN LINE WITH ANY KIND OF LEGAL TEST.
SO, SO THE, THE DRAFT THAT'S IN THE STAFF REPORT, UH, HAS BEEN REVIEWED BY THE CITY ATTORNEY.
UM, AND, AND WE TRIED TO TAKE THE, THE 33 TENANTS THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN THE EIGHT 23 POLICY THAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU RIGHT NOW AND CONDENSED IT DOWN TO 16 POINTS.
AND, AND LOOKING AT THOSE 16 POINTS, THERE'S MAYBE THERE, THERE ARE, THERE ARE ITEMS SUCH AS CONFLICT OF INTEREST, UM, GIFTS AND FAVORS,
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USE OF PUBLIC RESOURCES THAT ARE CURRENTLY COVERED BY FPPC AND STATE LAW.SO THOSE ARE MAYBE SOME ITEMS THAT COULD DROP OFF.
I THINK WE COULD GET WHAT'S IN YOUR STAFF REPORT DOWN TO 10 OR MAYBE 12 COMMANDMENTS IF, IF YOU'RE WILLING TO EXPAND THAT A LITTLE BIT.
WOULD YOU RATHER DO THIS AND BRING IT BACK TO US BASED UPON THE DISCUSSION YOU'VE HEARD OR WOULD YOU WANT TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF HAVING A SUBCOMMITTEE TO GIVE YOU A DRAFT? I'M EITHER URBAN, EITHER ONE, EITHER ONE.
WE CAN TAKE THE, I MEAN I THINK WE'VE GOT SOME GOOD COMMENTS TONIGHT AND I THINK WE CAN NARROW IT DOWN AND BOIL IT DOWN.
AND IF THE COUNCIL IS SO INCLINED THAT THIS HAS BEEN STIR ORTIZ'S UM, INITIAL IDEA, WE CAN ACTUALLY HAVE HIM SORT OF BE THE, THE FIRST ONE TO LOOK AT IT AND MAYBE GIVE US SOME FEEDBACK AND THEN BRING THAT BACK IF THE COUNCIL IS OKAY WITH THAT NOTION.
WELL, I'M SATISFIED THAT I TRUST.
I TRUST THE STAFF TO DO A GOOD JOB OF THAT.
AND I THINK THE CENSURE ASPECT IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE I WANT TO PROTECT THE PUBLIC.
THEY HAVE TO FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH COMING UP HERE AND SAYING WHETHER THEY EVER, THEY NEED TO SAY, UH, WE MIGHT NOT LIKE IT.
COUNCIL MEMBERS SHOULD NEVER VERBALLY ATTACK, DISPARAGE OR HUMILIATE ANY PUBLIC SPEAKERS OR ATTACK THEM ON SOCIAL MEDIA.
THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO ME.
WE GET ALL THE TECH ALL THE TIME.
SO, YOU KNOW, BUT THE PUBLIC, SO THAT'S NOT, THAT DOESN'T BOTHER ME.
THEY HAD THE DATA, SEE WHAT THEY BELIEVE, BUT I THINK WE ALWAYS HAD TO BE POLITE TO THE PUBLIC.
WE CAN SAY, NO, I DISAGREE WITH YOU.
BUT DON'T START CALLING THEM NAMES OR TRY TO HUMILIATE THEM.
LOOKS LIKE WE'VE COME TO A CONSENSUS, UM, WITH SOMEBODY LIKE SOLDIER, MAKE A MANSION ON THEM.
YOU CAN JUST WORD IT ANY WAY YOU WANT BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE TO THE CITY COUNCIL, UH, CONSIDERED STAFF ANALYSIS.
WE ARE IN THE CODE OF ETHICS CONDUCT, UH, TO REVISE AND PROVIDE MORE FEEDBACK.
MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.
GREAT DISCUSSION TYPE OUR CONSTITUTION OR THAT WAS GREAT.
[14. Update of City Ticket and Distribution Policy (A-28) RECOMMENDATION: That the City Council, in preparation for the opening of The Magnolia Performing Arts Center (The Magnolia): Directs staff to revise City Council Policy A-28 (Distribution of City Tickets and Passes) to incorporate recent amendments to Title 2 California Code of Regulations, Section 18944.1; and Directs staff to update language for Policy A-28 from the East County Performing Arts Center (ECPAC) to The Magnolia; and Discusses options to administer complimentary tickets to events at The Magnolia, outlined in the management agreement between the City and Live Nation, in accordance with the updates to Policy A-28.]
ALL RIGHT.ITEM 14 IS AN UPDATE ON THE CITY TICKET AND DISTRIBUTION POLICY AND STAFF.
HOW ARE YOU? WELL, HOW ARE YOU? GREAT.
HI, GOOD AFTERNOON, HONORABLE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL.
I'M AN ANALYST IN THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE AND I'M HERE TODAY TO DISCUSS, UM, A NECESSARY UPDATE TO CITY COUNCIL POLICY EIGHT 28 WHICH IS THE CITY'S TICKET AND DISTRIBUTION POLICY.
AND THEN AS YOU CAN TELL BY THE IMAGE RIGHT THERE THAT THIS DOES HAVE TO DO WITH THE OPENING OF THE MAGNOLIA IN LESS THAN A MONTH, WHICH WE'RE ALL EXCITED FOR.
AND IF YOU CAN TELL THE NEW SIGN IS UP ON THE BUILDING, WHICH IS PRETTY EXCITING.
SO, UM, POLICY EIGHT 28 WAS ADOPTED BACK IN 2008 AND WAS MEANT TO BE AN OUTLINE FOR HOW COMPLIMENTARY TICKETS WERE TO BE RECEIVED BY THE CITY, UM, PRIMARILY AS IT RELATED TOWARDS THESE COUNTY PERFORMING ARTS CENTER.
IT WAS BASED ON THE CALIFORNIA FAIR POLITICAL PRACTICES, COMMISSIONS, UM, RULING THAT ANY RECIPIENT OF A TICKET WAS TO FILL OUT WHAT THEY CALL FORM EIGHT OH TWO, WHICH DISCLOSED THEIR NAME.
UM, THE REASON FOR THE, FOR THEM HAVING RECEIVED THE TICKET AND THEN ALSO AS WELL.
UM, THIS INFORMATION WAS TO BE POSTED PUBLICLY ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE WITHIN 45 DAYS OF THE EVENT.
AND IN 2009 IS WHEN THE EAST KIND OF PERFORMING ARTS CENTER CLOSED DUE TO BUDGET CUTS FOR THE RELATED TO THE RECESSION.
AND SO, UM, NOW THAT THE CITY IS PREPARING TO REOPEN THE FACILITY AS THE MAGNOLIA STAFF IS REVIEWED, THE, UM, THE COMMISSION'S RULES TO FIND OUT ANY UPDATES THAT HAVE HAPPENED IN THE LAST 10 YEARS.
SO SOME OF THE HIGHLIGHTS OF THE UPDATES, THERE'S THE ONE WOULD BE THE DISCLOSURE OF FAMILY RELATIONSHIPS IF A TICKET IS TRANSFERRED TO, UM, TO A FAMILY.
SO IF YOU BRING YOUR SPOUSE OR YOUR NIECE OR YOUR NEPHEW, THEN THAT RELATIONSHIP WOULD BE DISCLOSED ON FORM NATO TO, THERE'S AN OPTION TO REIMBURSE THE CITY, UH, WITHIN 30 DAYS NOW.
SO SOMEONE WISHES TO REIMBURSE THE CITY FOR THE FAIR VALUE OF THE TICKET, THEY CAN DO SO, AND THEN THEY WOULD NOT BE SUBJECT TO A 28.
AND THEN ALSO THERE'S A PROHIBITION OF THE DISPROPORTIONATE USE OF TICKETS BY ANY SINGLE INDIVIDUAL.
SO THE, THE FAIR POLITICAL PRACTICES COMMISSION DOESN'T ACTUALLY DEFINE WHAT, UM, WHAT DISPROPORTIONATE USES.
SO THAT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT THE CITY COUNCIL WOULD WANT TO CONSIDER OR DISCUSS.
UM, BUT IT SEEMS THAT IF SOMEONE WERE TO GET A COMPLIMENTARY TICKET TO FOR EVERY EVENT FROM NOW UNTIL THE END OF THE YEAR, THAT MIGHT BE A DISPROPORTIONATE USE.
UM, BUT THAT'S, UM, TO BE CONSIDERED.
SO THE MANAGEMENT AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY AND LIVE NATION ENTITLES THE
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CITY TO 10 TICKETS PER EVENT, BUT NOT TO EXCEED 300 IN ONE YEAR.AND THAT'S FOR A LIGHT, ANY LIVE NATION EVENT THAT'S OPEN TO THE PUBLIC AND THEN IT'S UP TO THE CITY TO DECIDE HOW THEY WANT TO HAVE THE CITY WANTS TO DISTRIBUTOR ADMINISTER THESE 10 TICKETS.
SO, UM, STAFF REVIEWED OR RESEARCHED VARIOUS AGENCIES THROUGHOUT SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA WHO HAVE, UH, VENUES THAT ARE SIMILAR TO OURS, TO THE MAGNOLIA AND, UM, TO STUDY HOW THEY, HOW THEY ADMINISTER THEIR, THEIR COMPLIMENTARY TICKETS.
SO FIRST WE HAVE THE CITY OF VISTA WITH OUR MOONLIGHT AMPHITHEATER.
SO THE, UM, EMPLOYEES OF THE CITY DON'T ACTUALLY GET ANY COMPLIMENTARY TICKETS WITH INVISTA.
THEY'RE ABLE TO VIEW OR WATCH THE, UH, THE FINAL DRESS REHEARSAL BEFORE THE OPENING PERFORMANCE, UM, FREE OF CHARGE.
AND THEN IF THEY WISH TO WATCH A LIVE PERFORMANCE AND THEY WOULD JUST PURCHASE A TICKET, BUT THEY DO HAVE A DEAL ON THE FIRST FRIDAY OF THE MONTH THAT THEY CAN PURCHASE THE TICKETS FOR TWO FOR ONE.
AND THEN THE CITY OF CHULA VISTA HAS THE NORTH ISLAND CREDIT UNION AMPHITHEATER.
THIS IS ALSO A LIVE NATION VENUE.
AND THERE THE CITY IS ENTITLED TO T, UH, 12.
IT'S COMPLIMENTARY TICKETS AND THEY'RE, THE CITY DISTRIBUTES A PAIR TO EACH OF THEIR FIVE FOUNDATIONS AND THEY USE THAT FOR FUNDRAISING PURPOSES.
AND THEN THE REMAINING PAIR GOES TO A NONPROFIT WHOSE HEADQUARTERS OR MAIN OFFICE IS LOCATED IN THE CITY OF CHULA VISTA.
IF AFTER ALL OF THAT, THERE'S ANY TICKETS THAT ARE LEFT OVER, THEN A DEPARTMENT IS SELECTED AND THEN THE DEPARTMENT DIRECTOR CAN SELECT, UM, AN EMPLOYEE TO RECOGNIZE HIM OR HER FOR OUTSTANDING SERVICE TO THE CITY.
NEXT, WE HAVE RIVERSIDE, UM, THEY HAVE THE FOX PERFORMING ARTS CENTER, ALSO A LIVE NATION VENUE.
UH, THE CITY OF RIVERSIDE, UH, FORMED OR SPONSORED THE CREATION OF THE FOX FOUNDATION.
IT'S A NONPROFIT THAT WORKS TO CONNECT KIDS TO THE ARTS KIDS AND SENIORS TO THE ARTS.
AND THE CITY ACTUALLY, UH, GIVES ALL OF THE TICKETS THAT THEY HAVE THAT ARE COMPLIMENTARY TICKETS TO THE FOUNDATION.
AND THEN IT'S UP TO THE FOUNDATION HOW THEY WANT TO DISTRIBUTE THE TICKETS.
UM, THEY'RE IN THE CITY OF ANAHEIM, THEY HAVE VARIOUS VENUES THERE.
AND IN THAT CITY, UM, THE DECISION FOR DISTRIBUTING THESE TICKETS RESTS IN DESCENDING ORDER BEGINNING WITH THE MAYOR AND THEN IT GOES TO THE CITY COUNCIL, THE CITY MANAGER, DEPUTY CITY MANAGER, AND THEN THE DEPARTMENT DIRECTORS AFTER THAT.
SO, UM, SO THERE'S ARE SOME PRACTICES FOR VARIOUS VENUES, UM, IN AGENCIES AROUND SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA.
SOME ADDITIONAL OPTIONS FOR THE CITY OF EL CAHONE MIGHT BE, UM, FOR, TO SPUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TO HELP TO DRAW, UH, DEVELOPERS INTO THE DOWNTOWN OR JUST TO THE CITY IN GENERAL.
IT COULD BE USED FOR A TOOL FOR THAT.
UM, EMPLOYEE RETENTION AND MORE MORALE CAN BE USED PERHAPS TO RAFFLE OFF A PAIR OF TICKETS TO EMPLOYEES.
AND THEN THAT WAY IT'S, UM, IT HELPS TO BOOST THE EMPLOYEE MORALE.
AND THEN OF COURSE ANOTHER OPTION WOULD BE TO DO NOTHING.
UM, THERE'S, WE CAN ALL THE CITY CAN ALWAYS, UH, STEP BACK OR MAY CHOOSE TO STEP BACK AND JUST KIND OF OBSERVE THE, THE VENUE TO SEE HOW IT PERFORMS AS A REVENUE GENERATOR FOR A PERIOD OF LIKE SIX TO 12 MONTHS AND THEN REVISIT THE COMPLIMENTARY TICKETS IN THE FUTURE.
SO, UM, SO TO CONCLUDE, STAFF IS SEEKING COUNCIL DIRECTION, UM, ONE TO REVISE PILE POLICY EIGHT 28 TO INCLUDE THE UPDATES, THE FPPC CODE TWO WOULD BE TO UPDATE THE LANGUAGE FROM THESE COUNTY PERFORMING ARTS CENTER TO THE MAGNOLIA AND THEN THREE WOULD BE FOR DIRECTION ON DISTRIBUTING THE COMPLIMENTARY TICKETS FOR THE MAGNOLIA.
ANY STAFF IS HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
LET ME SEE IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS, QUESTIONS.
AND THAT WAS A PRETTY COMPREHENSIVE REPORT.
ARE THERE ANY, UM, LET'S, FOR YOUR CARDS, SUPER, UM, COUNCIL QUESTIONS, I TO DISCUSS IT, TALK TO STAFF ABOUT IT.
IT SEEMS THE FIRST, THE FIRST TWO SEEM PRETTY, UH, UH, JUST HOUSEKEEPING ITEMS. THE MAIN QUESTION IS WHAT DO WE DO WITH THE COMPARATIVE MEASURE TICKETS? MIGHT I SUGGEST THAT WE PUNT THIS TO THE CITY MANAGER FOR A PERIOD OF TIME? LET HIM MAKE THE DECISION ON HOW TO DISTRIBUTE THE TICKETS UNTIL WE'VE GOT A CONSENSUS OF WHAT IT REALLY LOOKS LIKE.
WE REALLY KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THIS, WHAT IT'S GONNA BE LIKE, AND THEN MAYBE REVISIT THIS IN MONTHS AND SEE IF WE NEED TO MAKE A CHANGE.
MY GUESS IS THAT GRAHAM WILL DO A GOOD JOB OF DECIDING WHERE THE TICKETS SHOULD GO.
THEN THE GRAMMAR, YOU SAID, ARE YOU COMFORTABLE THAT, YEAH, I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.
I MEAN ONE OF THE CHALLENGES THAT WE HAVE IS EVEN THE, THE MANAGEMENT AGREEMENT GIVES US 10 TICKETS PER EVENT WITH A MAXIMUM OF 300 TICKETS.
SO CONTRACTUALLY THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE 50 EVENTS.
THAT MEANS WE ARE, THAT'S 500 TICKETS, WHICH IS OVER THE 300 SO AT SOME POINT SOME DECISIONS ARE GOING TO HAVE TO BE MADE JUST TO STAY WITHIN, UNLESS WE JUST WANT TO BLOW THROUGH OUR COMPLIMENTARY TICKETS IN THE FIRST SIX MONTHS.
SO THERE IS SOME VALUE OF SORT OF SLOW ROLLING THIS AND SEEING KIND OF HOW IT GOES, HOW IT FEELS.
UM, AND AS, AS UH, IF THE COUNCIL'S OKAY,
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GIVING ME SOME DISCRETION OF, OF HOW TO MANAGE THAT.WE'LL PROBABLY DO A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT THINGS AND SEE HOW THAT FEELS AND HOW THAT WORKS OUT AND THEN WE'LL BRING BACK SOMETHING MORE CONCRETE FOR THE COUNCIL TO FORMALIZE, UH, IN THE FUTURE.
BUT IN THE MEANTIME, BASED ON WHAT WE HEARD TONIGHT, WE WILL COME BACK AND REVISE A 28 TO INCLUDE THE FPPC UPDATES AND ALSO TO INCLUDE THE MAGNOLIA AS PART OF THAT POLICY.
YOU NEED THREE SEPARATE MOTIONS OR I THINK, I THINK JUST UM, REALLY IS JUST DIRECTION.
THERE'S REALLY NO, UM, DIRECTION AND MAYBE A MOTION ON, UH, GIVING ME DOES SOME DISCRETION OF THE COMPLIMENTARY TICKETS.
WELL THEN I'LL, I'LL, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO DO JUST THAT AND TO SEND IT BACK TO YOU FOR REVIEW.
VOTE MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.
[15. Facility Rental Rates and Fee Structure for The Magnolia RECOMMENDATION: That the City Council adopts a Resolution approving the Facility Rental Rates and Fee Structure for The Magnolia.]
YEAH.LAST ADMINISTRATOR REPORT IS ITEM 15.
REGARDING FACILITY RENTAL RATES FOR THE MAGNOLIA STAFF.
MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, UH, AS YOU, YOU PROBABLY KNOW ALL THE VENUES AT THE CITY RENTS OUT FOR EVENTS.
UM, WE HAVE AN ADOPTED FEE SCHEDULE IS PART OF THE, THE FEE SCHEDULE THAT THE CITY COUNCIL REVIEWS EVERY YEAR.
RIGHT NOW BECAUSE THE EAST COUNTY PERFORMING ARTS CENTER HAS BEEN CLOSED FOR THE LAST DECADE, WE DO NOT HAVE A RATE FEE OR RATE SCHEDULE FOR THE MAGNOLIA.
AND SO WHAT WE'RE DOING TONIGHT IS PROPOSING, UM, A RATE SCHEDULE FOR THE MAGNOLIA INCLUDING A RESOLUTION FOR CITY COUNCIL CONSIDERATION.
UM, AS WE GET READY TO OPEN, IT'D BE GOOD TO HAVE RATES READY TO GO.
NOW, UM, IN REALITY MOST OF THE ACTS OR THE RENTALS WILL BE MANAGED 100% NEGOTIATED 100% BY LIVE NATION.
BUT THERE WILL BE LOCAL GROUPS, COMMUNITY GROUPS, NONPROFIT GROUPS THAT MAY WANT TO UTILIZE OUR FACILITY.
AND I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT IS ENSURING THAT THIS IS STILL ACCESSIBLE TO THE PUBLIC, TO OUR OWN, OUR OWN COMMUNITY.
AND SO HAVING SOME LOCAL RENTAL RATES MAKES A LOT OF SENSE.
SO IF A LOCAL GROUP WANTED TO RENT IT, THEY WOULD WORK THROUGH US TO A CERTAIN DEGREE QUICKLY WITH LIVE NATION.
BUT IT'D BE GOOD TO HAVE RATES ESTABLISHED NOW RATHER THAN LIVE NATION TRYING TO NEGOTIATE THE HIGHEST POSSIBLE FEE THAT THEY CAN, UH, WHICH IS, WHICH THEY WILL DO IN MOST ACTS.
BUT FOR A LOCAL COMMUNITY GROUP, HAVING A SET RATE MAKES A LOT OF SENSE.
UM, STAFF PRESENTS SOME RATES FOR THE COUNCIL TO CONSIDER THESE RATES.
UM, BREAK THE VENUE INTO A LOT OF DIFFERENT AREAS.
UH, FOR EXAMPLE, UH, IF, IF AN EVENT NEEDED TO BUY OUT THE ENTIRE VENUE, THAT WOULD INCLUDE THE STAGE OF THE AUDITORIUM, THE LOBBY SPACE, THE, THE PLAZA, THERE'D BE A CERTAIN RATE AND WE'RE RECOMMENDING $6,000 FOR A SINGLE EVENT FOR THAT.
BUT THERE MAY BE CHANCES OR OPPORTUNITIES FOR JUSTICE STAGE TO BE LEASED OUT.
MAYBE THERE'S A, A WEDDING RECEPTION THAT WOULD LIKE TO HAVE IT ON THE STAGE.
THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO, TO MAKE MONEY OFF OF THAT OR A BIRTHDAY PARTY.
AND THE VIP LOUNGE IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO RENT THAT SPACE OUT, OPPORTUNITY TO RENT OUT, UH, THE UPPER OR LOWER OR THE CENTENNIAL PLAZA AS PART OF THE OUTDOOR SPACE.
AND SO, UM, WE'VE BROKEN UP THE SPACE, WE'VE LOOKED AT OUR CURRENT RATES TO MAKE SURE THAT THESE ARE IN LINE WITH OUR CURRENT RATES FOR SIMILAR VENUES.
WE'VE ALSO TALKED TO LIVE NATION TO UNDERSTAND THE MARKET AND WE'VE LOOKED AT OTHER VENUES IN THE REGION TO IDENTIFY THESE RATES.
SO STAFF'S RECOMMENDING THAT, UM, THESE BE THE RATES THAT THE CITY AIM INCLUDES AS PART OF ITS RATE SCHEDULE.
UM, WE DID LOOK AT MR MCCLELLAN, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT NONPROFITS? SO THIS WOULD BE FOR THE NONPROFITS AND I'LL GET TO HOW WE CAN HELP HELP THOSE GROUPS.
BUT THIS WOULD BE A SORT OF A CITY QUOTE, CITY SLASH NONPROFIT RATE BECAUSE IF YOU'RE A PR A FOR PROFIT, A BROADWAY PRODUCTION, YOU WOULDN'T GO THROUGH US.
SO THIS IS, THIS IS REALLY MORE OF THE NONPROFIT GROUP, LOCAL COMMUNITY GROUPS.
WOULD THAT BE $6,000 A YEAR OR, OR, UM,
YOU MIGHT OR WOULD IT BE $6,000 FOR TWO OR THREE NIGHT PERFORMANCE OR WHATEVER? WELL, IF YOU WERE DOING A, IF YOU WERE BUYING OUT THE VENUE FOR A PERFORMANCE, IT WOULD BE $6,000 PER DAY.
BUT IF YOU JUST NEEDED THE STAGE FOUR, SEE HERSEL'S IT'D BE $600.
REMEMBER WE WERE SETTING ASIDE A FUND TO HELP GIVE SCHOLARSHIPS TO, AND HE'LL GET TO THAT NOW IN A FEW MINUTES.
SO THERE, THERE IS A WAY TO MAKE THEM LOCAL LIKE MIDDLE SCHOOL BAND OR A DANCE STUDIO
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CAN AFFORD TO DO THIS.WELL, WHAT I WAS THINKING ABOUT IS SOME OF THE GROUPS THAT YOU USED TO IT NONPROFITS SUCH AS CCT OR C, Y, E T AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
UH, I DON'T THINK THEY COULD AFFORD $6,000.
WELL, I'LL, I'LL TALK ABOUT THAT IN A SECOND.
SO WE DID LOOK AT HOW THE RATES THAT WE'RE PROPOSING STACK UP AGAINST OTHER VENUES IN THE REGION, KIND OF SIMILAR VENUES.
WE IDENTIFIED THE PER SEAT COST FOR THE RENTAL AND WE'RE, WE'RE IN THE MARKET WHERE THE MARKET RANGE.
IN FACT WE'RE ABOUT A DOLLAR LESS THAN THE KROC CENTER.
UM, AND THE REALITY IS THERE'S A LOT OF GROUPS THAT WOULD LOVE TO PERFORM IN THE MAGNOLIA THAT PROBABLY SHOULDN'T PERFORM IN THE MAGNOLIA CAUSE THEY'RE ONLY GONNA USE UP A FRACTION OF THE MAGNOLIA.
THERE'S PROBABLY BETTER VENUES FOR THEM TO GO TO.
AND THAT'S WHY WE SHOWED SOME OF THESE VENUES.
CAUSE I THINK THERE'S ARE SOME APPROPRIATELY SIZED VENUES FOR SOME OF OUR LOCAL COMMUNITY THEATER.
UM, BUT, BUT WE'LL GET TO, UM, HOW TO ACCOMMODATE SOME OF OUR LOCAL GROUPS.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UM, THE STAFF REPORT, IT IDENTIFIES HIS STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE SET ASIDE AT LEAST FOR YEAR ONE, ABOUT $1,500 OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND TO HELP SUBSIDIZE THE RENT PAYMENT FOR SOME OF THESE, I'M SORRY, $15,000, SORRY, $15,000.
WE DO THINK THERE ARE SOME, UH, THERE'S IMPORTANT, HAVE SOME CRITERIA AND I'LL JUST RUN THROUGH THESE ONE.
I THINK THE GROUP SHOULD BE A NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION OR A NOT A, NOT FOR PROFIT ORGANIZATION.
UH, THE STAFF REPORT INCLUDES, UM, A SAN DIEGO BASED, MAYBE IT'S MORE OF A LOCAL BASE OR MORE OF A REGIONAL BASE.
I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE CITY COUNCIL COULD DISCUSS.
THERE'S SOME VALUE IN HAVING IT MORE LOCALIZED.
THERE'S SOME VALUE IN HAVING IT A LITTLE BIT MORE, A REGION, MORE REGIONALLY, UM, APPEALING AS WELL.
UH, WE'D RECOMMEND ONE EVENT PER YEAR.
UH, WE WOULD ALSO RECOMMEND THAT THE GROUP SHOULD BE ABLE TO OCCUPY 60% OF THE VENUE.
I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT, AGAIN, IF, IF, UM, YOU ONLY CAN SELL 300 TICKETS OR WE'LL HAVE 300 PEOPLE, THERE'S PROBABLY BETTER VENUES FOR YOU TO GO TO.
THEN THE MAGNOLIA, THERE ARE OTHER FEES THAT ARE NOT INCLUDED IN THAT.
THERE'S LIVE NATION STAFFING COSTS.
THERE'S THE $2 PER SEAT FEE THAT WE'RE CHARGING FOR FACILITY MAINTENANCE.
UH, IF THERE'S THE NEED FOR EQUIPMENT RENTAL, THAT WOULD BE INCLUDED.
THERE'S CLEANING CHARGES THAT WOULD BE INCLUDED.
SO WE'RE NOT RECOMMENDING THAT THOSE FEES BE COVERED, THAT THEY BE COVERED BY THE ORGANIZATION.
UH, IF THERE ARE SEATED EVENTS.
SO IF YOU WERE TO BUY A SEAT IN EXPECT TO BE ABLE TO SIT IN A ROW C SEAT FOR THOSE TICKETS, THOSE TYPES OF TICKETED EVENTS NEED TO BE MANAGED BY LIVE NATION.
SO THOUGH YOU'D GO THROUGH TICKETMASTER FOR THOSE TICKETS AND THEN UNTIL WE HAVE A PROCESS UP AND RUNNING, STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND THAT EACH AND EACH APPLICANT BE APPROVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL.
AND SO YOU'D HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THAT AND HAVE SOME, A WEIGH IN OF WHETHER THAT IS A GOOD USE OF TAXPAYER MONEY.
SO, UM, STAFF IS AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE ABOUT THE RATES, UH, OR ABOUT THE CITY SUBSIDY POLICY AS WELL.
QUESTIONS
WE USED TO HAVE SCHOOLS THAT WOULD COME IN AND UH, DO THINGS IN THE ELKO AND PERFORMING ARTS CENTER AND THINGS LIKE THAT DURING THE DAYTIME WHEN THE FACILITY GENERALLY ISN'T.
I'M TOO BUSY BECAUSE IT'S, MOST OF THEM ARE NIGHT PERFORMANCES.
SO, UH, WE HAVE A PROGRAM FOR THAT.
SAY IF THE PUBLIC SCHOOLS WANT TO COME IN AND PUT ON A YES, THE MANAGEMENT AGREEMENT HAS ACTUALLY A CERTAIN NUMBER OF CITY EVENTS THAT CAN GO IN WITHOUT, WITHOUT CHARGE.
I MEAN IF, IF WE'RE USING LIVE NATION TECHNICIANS, WE WOULD HAVE TO PAY FOR THAT.
BUT IT ALSO INCLUDES THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.
SO THEY ARE ELIGIBLE TO, FOR, FOR ACCESS TO IT.
BUT AGAIN, IF THERE WERE THE, THE NEED FOR A SOUND TECHNICIAN OR LIGHTING TECHNICIANS, THERE WOULD BE AN EXPECTATION THAT THEY WOULD COVER THOSE COSTS.
AND I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PROGRAM WAS WHEN THE SCHOOLS WOULD COME IN AND DO A PROGRAM OR WHETHER THEY WERE CHARGED OR WHETHER WHAT THEY PAID IN EXPENSES OR I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT WAS.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE SHOULD MAYBE LOOK BACK AND SEE WHAT WAS BEING DONE THERE BECAUSE, UM, OBVIOUSLY THEY SHOULD COVER THE SAME EXPENSES THAT THEY WERE AT THAT TIME.
AND PROBABLY ADJUSTED FOR INFLATION.
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UH, BOB, I KNOW THAT A CCT HAD SCHOOL DAYS PERFORMANCES CAUSE MY KIDS WERE IN THEM.SO UH, THEY WOULD HAVE MAYBE A TWO O'CLOCK OR NOON PERFORMANCE.
AND THEN ALL THE, THEY'D BUS KIDS IN ALL FROM ALL AROUND EAST COUNTY TO COME SEE THE SHOW.
I THINK THAT'S MAYBE WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO.
RIGHT? SO WE SAW A RATE FOR CITY SLASH NONPROFIT EVENTS.
WE SAW, WE KNOW THAT LIVE NATION'S GOING TO COVER THE RENTAL FEES IN THE MANAGEMENT ARTISTS THAT IT MANAGES.
BUT LET'S SAY A CORPORATION SAYS, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE'RE GOING TO BRING A MEETING TO ALCOHOL AND WE'RE GOING TO PUT OUR PEOPLE UP IN THE COURTYARD AND THE HAMPTON AND WE WANT TO USE THE MAGNOLIA FOR OUR BUSINESS MEETING.
WHAT KIND OF, WHO CHARGES THEM A RATER? WHO NEGOTIATES THOSE RATES? THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE MORE OF A CITY RATE.
CAUSE THAT'S NOT A, IT'S NOT A TYPE OF A VENUE THAT LIVE NATION IS USED TO USING OR, OR UM, NEGOTIATING WITH CITY.
DO YOU RELY ON THIS CITY RATE? OKAY.
AND IN THE DECEMBER, 2017 CONTRACT DRAFT WEEK, WE GOT 10 DAYS FOR THE CITY TO USE AT NO EXPENSE.
IS THIS WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT DISCRETIONARY COULD BE GIVEN TO SCHOOL DISTRICTS FOR OR SOME THINGS UNDER YOUR DISCRETION? THAT'S CORRECT.
UH, THE OTHER $15,000 FROM THE GENERAL FUND, THAT'S REALLY THE, THE MONEY OF THE PEOPLE OF ALCOHOL.
AND SO I GUESS MY QUESTION FOR MY COLLEAGUES IS, UH, DO WE WANT TO GIVE THAT MONEY TO NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS OUTSIDE THE CITY OF ALCOHOL? IF YOU'RE A NONPROFIT FROM POWAY SUCH AS A PAGEANT OR A COMMUNITY CONCERT, LIKE BELOW YOUR CHAMBER MUSIC SOCIETY AND YOU WANT IT TO COME OUT TO USE A MAGNOLIA, SHOULD, SHOULD THE PEOPLE'S MONEY BE USED TO SUBSIDIZE THOSE OUT OF CITY EVENTS? IS THERE A BENEFIT TO THE CITY? IS IT A COST? WHAT ARE THOUGHTS THERE? I THINK A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
ONE IS, UM, WOULD THE PEOPLE HAVE ALCOHOL AND BE ABLE TO GO AND BE PART OF THAT? SO COULD, IF THE CHAMBER MUSIC SOCIETY CAME, COULD YOU GO AND LISTEN TO THEM? NO, I THINK I WOULD IF, IF THEY COULDN'T, IT WAS A PRIVATE EVENT THAT MIGHT, THAT MIGHT MITIGATE THAT.
BUT THE WAY I LOOK AT IT FROM THE HISTORIC PERSPECTIVE IS THAT IT WAS ALWAYS THE EAST COUNTY PERFORMING ARTS CENTER.
SO IT WAS, WE INCLUDED, UM, SANTEE AND LAKESIDE AND ALPINE AND BLOSSOM VALLEY IN THAT.
AND I THINK THAT, UH, IT SEEMS TO ME IT MAKES SENSE TO CONTINUE TO OFFER THOSE UP AND IT'S THE COST OF DOING BUSINESS, OF HAVING A REGIONAL PERFORMING ARTS CENTER.
I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY HAS ANY FEELINGS ABOUT THAT OR DO YOU WANT TO MAKE, I GUESS STEVE STEVE'S POINT, WE'LL TAKE IT AS THAT.
YOU, YOU WANT TO MAKE IT JUST ALCOHOL.
IS THERE A LOT OF INQUIRIES FROM GROUPS LINING UP TO USE THIS SPACE ALREADY? ARE WE GOING TO BE FACED WITH THE DECISION TO SAY CARLSBAD GROUPS CAN'T COME AND
FOR EXAMPLE, WE HAVE A, A LOCAL DANCE STUDIO THAT HAS SEVERAL CLASSES THAT WOULD LIKE TO DO A DANCE RECITAL THERE.
I CANNOT IMAGINE A DANCE STUDIO ON BROADWAY HAS THE CAPACITY TO FILL THAT VENUE.
SO I THINK WE'LL BE PROBABLY TURNING AWAY A LOT OF FOLKS IN AND GIVING THEM OTHER PLACES.
I GOT TO TELL YOU, I WANT TO TAKE THE MARRIAGE DISAGREES TO 15 YEARS OF DIANE SCHOOL DANCE RECITALS AT THAT PLACE AND IT WAS PACKED EVERY TIME.
TWO SHOWS, SO THERE, SO I COULD BE WRONG.
THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO PAY THE TICKETS.
IT WAS, I MEAN THEY, THEY, THEY GOT A SPECIAL RATE.
THERE'S A WAY THAT SMALL DANCE STUDIO COULD HAVE, COULD AFFORD $6,000 A NIGHT.
UM, SO ANYWAY, I'M OPEN TO THIS.
MY, MY, MY FIRST REACTION IS IT'S, WE STARTED OFF AS A, UH, REGIONAL PERFORMING ARTS CENTER.
I PLACES LIKE LAKESIDE AND POWER, OR NOT POWER, BUT LAKE LAKESIDE AND ALPINE ARE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO AFFORD THEIR OWN PERFORMING ARTS CENTER.
I'D SEEMS NEIGHBORLY TO PROVIDE THAT TO THEM UNLESS IT BECOMES A PROBLEM.
I GUESS THEN WE CAN COME BACK AND RE LOOK AT IT.
BUT IF YOU GUYS FEEL DIFFERENTLY, I'M OPEN TO THE, TO THE IDEA.
WELL, FOR EXAMPLE, I KNOW THAT CCT PUT ON TRADITIONS AT CHRISTMAS FOR PROBABLY 20 YEARS.
THAT'S USUALLY ABOUT 17 PERFORMANCES AND SOMETIMES SOLD OUT.
PROBABLY 80% OF THE VENUE WAS SOLD OUT.
SO IF THEY WANTED TO PUT ON 10
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PERFORMANCES THEN THEY'D HAVE TO PAY THE $6,000 TIMES 10.WELL, I MEAN WE HAVE, WE HAVE SOME MONEY AVAILABLE AS THAT, AS A SCHOLARSHIP FOR THAT.
PROBABLY PROBABLY NOT ENOUGH FOR SIX PERFORMANCE.
THEY MAY NOT USE ALL THE VENUES EITHER.
IT'S, IT'S PROBABLY A, THOSE DAYS ARE PROBABLY PAST CAUSE SINCE WE BROUGHT ON THIS MANAGEMENT COMPANY AND THEN WE HAVE A, OKAY.
THE GROSSMONT, WHAT WAS IT CALLED? GROSSMONT.
BUT, UH, IF, IF SOMEBODY CAME IN AND JUST WANTED USE, PUT ON A PERFORMANCE AND JUST USE THE STAGE AND UM, MAYBE THE LOBBY, UH, THEY WOULDN'T NEED THE PLAZA OR THE CENTENNIAL PLAZA OR THE EYE.
ARE THOSE PLACES WITHIN THE MAGNOLIA? THE PLAZA, THE CENTENNIAL PLAZA, THAT'S ALL UPPER PLAZA.
THEY COULD PICK AND CHOOSE WHAT PORTIONS OF IT RATHER THAN PAY THE $6,000 AND BUY THE THING.
WELL, I, I THINK REALISTICALLY IF THEY WANT TO PUT ON A SHOW, THEY'RE GOING TO USE THE STAGE.
WELL THE STAGE IS FIVE, $600 BUT THEN, YEAH, AND THEN THEY COULD, I GUESS THEY COULD RENT OUT A SMALL PORTION OF THE, OF THE SEATS, RIGHT? YEAH.
I, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU COULD DO THAT.
AND THE STAGE, IT MEANS JUST THE STAGE.
SO IF YOU'RE HAVING A WEDDING RECEPTION, YOU COULD HAVE IT JUST ON THE STAGE AND NO ONE'S SITTING IN A SEAT.
BUT IF YOU'RE PUTTING OUT A CONCERT, YOU'VE GOT, YOU'VE GOT TO, YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE THE LIGHT TECHNICIAN, YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE THE SOUND TECHNICIAN, YOU'VE GOT IT.
YOU'VE GOT TO SELL THE TICKETS ON TICKET MASTER.
IT'S PROBABLY NOT THE PLACE TO DO THAT.
I FEEL, I THINK THERE'S SOMETHING TO BE SAID ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A NEW PERFORMING CENTER.
SO I DON'T WANT TO LIMIT, UM, OTHER REGIONS FROM USING IT, ESPECIALLY IF THERE'S NOT A LINE OF PEOPLE WAITING TO DO IT.
UM, IF FOR, FOR SOME REASON WE, UH, FIND IN THE FUTURE THAT THERE'S A HUGE LINE, MAYBE WE GIVE A PREFERENCE TO EL CAHONE, UH, GROUPS OR, OR, OR EAST COUNTY GROUPS.
UM, BUT I DON'T WANT TO LIMIT OURSELVES FROM BRINGING IN ANOTHER GROUPS THAT'S GONNA YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GOING TO RENT IT OUT.
THEY'RE GOING TO GO EAT AT OUR RESTAURANTS, THEY'RE GOING TO BECOME MORE ACQUAINTED WITH ALCOHOL,
AND SO I DON'T WANT TO STOMP OUT RIGHT AWAY THE IDEA OF HAVING IT BE A REGIONAL, UH, OPEN IT UP TO THE ENTIRE REGION.
WELL, BUT WE KNOW THAT LIVE NATION IS GOING TO BRING PEOPLE FROM OTHER VENUES THAT THEY HAVE AND JUST MOVE THEM FROM PLACE TO PLACE, TO PLACE, TO PLACE.
AND WE'RE, WE'RE GOING TO PARTICIPATE IN SOME OF THOSE VENUES THAT THEY BRING IN.
UH, SO THAT'S PRETTY, IT'S GOING TO TAKE UP A LOT OF THIS, UH, TIME AT THE, AT THE MAGNOLIA.
AND UM, THERE WON'T BE A LOT OF TIMES THAT, UH, IT'LL BE OPEN FOR OTHER GROUPS AND THINGS TOO.
SO THEN MAYBE WE DO HAVE A PREFERENCE FOR, YOU KNOW,
I'M JUST SENSITIVE TO THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE ALCOHOL AND SAYING I WAS ON $8 MILLION THAT MADE THIS PLACE WORK SO I CAN SEE AN EL CAHONE NONPROFIT WHO QUALIFIES SAYING, MAN, I REALLY WISH WE COULD HAVE GOTTEN IN THERE.
BUT THE MONEY WAS USED BY SOMEBODY OF OUT, OUT OF ALCOHOL AND THIS IS, I GET THE REGIONAL THING.
I REALLY DO, BUT I JUST, IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE AN ALCOHOL ORGANIZATION, IF YOU'RE AN ALCOHOL TAX PAYER, SHOULDN'T THEY GET PREFERENCE? WOULD IT BE, I THINK WHAT PHIL HAD RECOMMENDED WAS STARTING OFF AS A REGIONAL CENTER AND THEN IF IT BECOMES AN ISSUE MODIFYING THE POLICY, WOULD THAT, DOES THAT SEEM REASONABLE? THAT WORKS.
WE JUST DON'T WANT TO SAY SORRY OKLAHOMA NONPROFIT, YOU DO GREAT WORK IN OUR CITY HERE, BUT WE GAVE IT AWAY TO CARLSBAD.
REMEMBER THAT EVERY ONE OF THESE DECISIONS ARE GOING TO COME TO THE COUNCIL.
SO UM, I THINK IF SOMEBODY CAME FROM CARLSBAD IT WOULD BE REASONABLE TO SAY AT THE CITY COUNCIL ME, I LOVE WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
I THINK IT'S GREAT THAT YOU WANT TO USE US.
BUT IT MIGHT MAKE MORE SENSE TO GO SOMEWHERE IN THE NORTH COUNTY CAUSE WE GO.
CAUSE WE HAVE LOTS OF PEOPLE TRYING TO GET IN THE ECONOMICS OF SUCH OR ARE NOT BAD.
$6,000 IF YOU'RE SAYING YOU GOTTA TO GET AT LEAST 60% OF THE, OF THE FACILITY, I THINK THERE'S ABOUT A THOUSAND SEATS AND THEN 12 ROOM FOR 1200 IF YOU INCLUDE THE VIP AREA.
SO IF THERE'S A THOUSAND SEATS AND YOU'VE GOT TO 600 SEATS, THAT'S 10 BUCKS A TICKET TO COVER THE VENUE
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BUYOUT PLUS THE OPERATIONAL COSTS OF THINGS LIKE THAT.YOU OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO SELL YOUR TICKETS FOR AT LEAST $10 FOR A FACILITY LIKE THIS.
IF YOU'RE A NONPROFIT TO USE THIS KIND OF FACILITY, AND I WOULD LIKE TO USE, UM, THE, OR HAVE THE PEOPLE THAT WERE USING IT PRIOR TO THE CHAT DOWN, UM, HAVE KIND OF A PREFERENTIAL TREATMENT AS FAR AS BEING ABLE TO COME IN AND PUT ON THEIR SHOWS BECAUSE, UH, THEY'RE THE ONES THAT WERE KIND OF SHUT OUT ALL OF A SUDDEN AND UH, THEY HAVEN'T BEEN HERE IN A WHILE AND IF THEY WANT TO COME BACK, I THINK WE OUGHT TO TREAT THEM RIGHT.
I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
BUT I THINK IF, JUST TO BE COMPLETELY HONEST, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A CCT COMING IN AND DOING 10 OR 12 CONSECUTIVE DAYS OF A CHRISTMAS SHOW, THAT PROBABLY IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN ANYWAY BECAUSE, UM, WE'RE NEVER GOING TO HAVE THAT, THAT MANY CONSECUTIVE DAYS AVAILABLE BECAUSE OF THE, OF LIVE NATION.
SO I THINK, I THINK THOSE DAYS HAVE PASSED, MAYBE LIVE NATION WOULD, UH, WORK AROUND THEM.
YOU KNOW, THEY'VE GOT A LOT OF DIFFERENT VENUES THAT THEY MOVE AROUND AND THEY COULD MAYBE WORK AROUND THAT SPACE AND TIME.
WELL I THINK WE COULD, WE COULD, UH, ENCOURAGE GREG GRAHAM, THE, THE ENCOURAGEMENT FROM COUNCILOR MCCLELLAN IS TO TRY TO FIND A WAY TO WORK WITH, UM, SOME OF THE TRADITIONAL, UH, ACTS THAT WOULD COME HERE AND, AND FIND A WAY TO GET THEM TO HAVE, UH, SOME AVAILABILITY.
AND I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE BECAUSE, UH, W SO YOU'LL, YOU'LL WORK ON THAT.
BUT REMEMBER, UM, EVERY TIME WE AS A CITY IMPOSE RESTRICTIONS, WE, WE HURT OUR OWN PROFITABILITY.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UH, THE FOX THEATER IN RIVERSIDE WAS ADAMANT ABOUT IS THAT THEY HAVE BROADWAY PRODUCTIONS.
WHAT BROADWAY PRODUCTIONS LOSE MONEY.
THEY, THEY'RE, THEY'RE A BIG MONEY LOSER BECAUSE OF JUST THE SHEER COST.
ALSO BOOKING THE THEATER FOR WEEKS AT A TIME.
UM, AND THE TICKET SALES DON'T JUSTIFY THE COST, BUT THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS IMPORTANT TO THE CITY OF RIVERSIDE.
BUT THE CITY OF RIVERSIDE ALSO EXPERIENCED DEFICIT FOR THE FIRST THREE YEARS BECAUSE OF THAT.
SO, I MEAN THESE ARE THE BALANCES THAT WE'RE GOING TO EXPERIENCE AS WE GET TO UNDERSTAND THE FACILITY AND START WORKING WITH LIVE NATION ON THESE THINGS.
OBVIOUSLY THIS IS A DISCUSSION WE COULD HAVE FOR QUITE A LONG TIME.
UM, WHAT SPECIFICALLY DO YOU NEED US TO GIVE YOU TONIGHT? UM, SPECIFICALLY THE RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE CITY COUNCIL ADOPT THE FEE SCHEDULE, THE, THE RESOLUTION WHICH ADOPTS THE FEE SCHEDULE.
AND THEN, UM, BASED ON THE FEEDBACK THAT WE HEARD TONIGHT, WE WILL IMPLEMENT, UM, A, UM, A SUBSIDY PROGRAM AND WE WILL MAKE A BUDGET ADJUSTMENT AT THE MIDYEAR BUDGET TO ACCOM ACCOMMODATE THAT.
AND WE MAY FIND OUT THAT $15,000 WAS TOO MUCH OR NOT ENOUGH AND WE'LL BE FLEXIBLE IN THAT, THAT ADJUSTMENT AS WE GET TO THE MID YEAR BUDGET.
AND THEN, UH, AT WHAT POINT IN THAT WILL YOU NOTE THAT THE, THE DECISION OF THE CITY COUNCIL IS AT LEAST FOR THE TIME BEING TO CONTINUE TO HAVE THIS, TO BE A REGIONAL FOCUS ON PEOPLE THAT CAN USE THE THEATER AND THEN WE'LL, WE'LL REEVALUATE IF IT BECOMES A PROBLEM.
I THINK THAT THAT'S SIMILAR TO THE LANGUAGE THAT'S CURRENTLY IN THE STAFF REPORT, SO IF THAT'S, IF THE FEEDBACK IS A CONTINUE THAT, THAT REGIONAL APPROACH, THEN WE'LL CONTINUE TO IMPLEMENT THAT.
ALL RIGHT, COUNSEL, ARE YOU EVERYBODY SATISFIED? DOES IT BEAR IN MIND WE CAN REVISIT THIS IN SIX MONTHS AND REVISIT IT IN SIX WEEKS? YEAH, JUST TWEAK IT A LITTLE BIT.
WE SEE WHAT'S HAPPENING WHEN IT OPENS UP AND THE CRITERIA STILL IS THAT THE GROUPS COME BEFORE CITY COUNCIL IN MY UNDERSTANDING OF THAT, SO THAT'S CORRECT.
SO THIS WOULD BE AN ADVENTURE AND WE'RE GOING TO FIND OUT A LOT MORE SIX MONTHS FROM THAT WE KNOW TODAY.
WOULD SOMEBODY LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION? I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT THE CITY COUNCIL ADOPTS THE RESOLUTION APPROVING THE FACILITY RENTAL RATES AND FREE STRUCTURE FOR THE MAGNOLIA.
MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.
ALRIGHT, THERE ARE NO COMMISSIONER REPORTS TODAY.
[13. ACTIVITIES REPORTS/COMMENTS OF MAYOR WELLS: SANDAG (San Diego Association of Governments) Board of Directors; SANDAG – Audit Committee; League of California Cities, San Diego Division; Heartland Fire Training JPA – Alternate; LAFCO.]
ITEM 16 IS MY ACTIVITIES REPORT.ITEM 17 IS THE LEGISLATIVE REPORT AS AS REPORTED IN THE UPDATES TODAY ON THIS
[14. ACTIVITIES REPORTS/COMMENTS OF COUNCILMEMBERS:]
COUNCIL MEMBER GARY KENDRICK.WHAT ARE YOUR ACTIVITIES REPORTS AS REPORTED? COUNCIL MEMBER BOB MCCLELLAN.
DEPUTY MAYOR STEVE GOBLE AS REPORTED THAT WITH A NOTE THAT THE FIRST EVENT OF
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THE MAGNOLIA IS SEPTEMBER 12TH, RIGHT? QUEEN NATION.THEY ARE PLAYING THIS FRIDAY NIGHT AT SANTEE CONCERT IN THE PARKS IF ANYBODY WANTS TO GO.
ANYBODY WANTS TO HEAR WHO'S GOING TO BE OUR OPENING ACT? SUPER COUNCIL MEMBER PHIL ORTIZ.
I ACTUALLY DIDN'T SUBMIT A REPORT SO I'M GOING TO STAY TO VERBALLY.
UH, JULY 25TH HAD A MEETING WITH SARAH
JULY 27TH, 28TH, I WAS INTRODUCED TO THE CONGREGATION AT FOOTHILLS CHURCH.
JULY 30TH AND MEETING WITH RESIDENT GEORGE GLOVER GLOVER ABOUT A POTENTIAL VETERANS MEMORIAL SHALL HAVE 31ST HOMELESS TASK FORCE MEETING.
EAST COUNTY HOMELESS TASK FORCE MEETING.
WAIT A MINUTE, I'VE GOT TO, I'M OUT OF ORDER HERE.
UH, YESTERDAY, UH, THE LEAGUE OF CALIFORNIA CITIES MONTHLY MEETING AND YESTERDAY, WELL, UH, MEETING WITH STEVE VOSS, MAYOR POWAY.
THERE ARE NO JOINT COMMITTEES, UH, JOINT COUNCIL REPORTS TODAY.
THERE ARE NO GENERAL INFORMATION ITEMS ON TODAY'S AGENDA.
THERE ARE NO FIRST OR SECOND READINGS OF ORDINANCES ON TODAY'S AGENDA.
[23. CLOSED SESSIONS:]
ARE NOW AT CLOSE SESSION.MR C ATTORNEY, WILL YOU PLEASE RECITE THE TITLE AND LEAD US IN THE CLOSED SESSION.
THE CITY COUNCIL, THE UM, UH, JOURNEY TO CLOSE SESSION ON TWO ITEMS. ITEM 22 IS A CLOSED SESSION FOR CONFERENCE WITH LEGAL COUNSEL ON ANTICIPATED LITIGATION PURSUANT TO PARAGRAPH FOUR, SUBDIVISION D A GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION FIVE FOUR NINE 56.9.
THE FACTS ARE STATED IN THE AGENDA, UH, WHERE THE, UH, NOTICE OF INTENT TO SUE THE CITY OR, UH, UNDER SQL LAWS, UH, BY, UH, COAST LAW GROUP REPRESENTING CLIMATE ACTION CAMPAIGN THAT'S RELATES TO THE CITY'S CLIMATE ACTION PLAN.
THE SECOND IS A CLOSED SESSION FOR CONFERENCE WITH LEGAL COUNSEL EXISTING LITIGATION PURSUANT TO PARAGRAPH ONE OF SUBDIVISION D OF GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION FIVE FOUR NINE FIVE, 6.9.
THE NAME OF THE CASE IS JARRED JEEZ VS.
UM, I HAVE A MOTION THEN TO ADJOURN THE CLOSED SESSION.
MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.
WE'RE GOING TO GO TO CLOSE SESSION.
WE'LL BE BACK IN PROBABLY JUST A FEW MINUTES.
WE'RE BACK FROM CLOSED SESSION.
I'LL TURN IT OVER TO THE ATTORNEY.
IT'S BEEN TOO MANY YEARS, I GUESS.
UH, SEE THE COUNCIL MAN CLOSED SESSION ON TWO ITEMS. THE FIRST ONE WAS A CONFERENCE WITH LEGAL COUNSEL, ANTICIPATED LITIGATION.
THE CITY COUNCIL WAS BRIEFED ON THE MATTER.
UM, AND SECOND ITEM IS A ONE FOR EXISTING LITIGATION ON AN ITEM 23 COUNCIL GAVE DIRECTION TO ITS LEGAL COUNCIL.
THE CITY COUNCIL GAVE DIRECTION TO ITS LEGAL COUNSEL.
OH, ANGELA, I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S SOMEBODY ELSE WHO DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO SPEAK TO ONE OF THE SPEAK.
MR. RICHARD HAIM, LET'S TRYING, SORRY, YOU HAD TO WAIT FOR THE WHOLE THING.
RIGHT AFTERNOON, MAYOR COUNCIL, THANK YOU FOR TAKING SOME TIME OUT FOR ME TODAY.
I AM THE OPERATIONS MANAGER FOR ASAP TOWING.
UH, THEY'RE LOCATED AT FIVE 81 SOUTH MARSHALL.
UH, FIVE 81 SOUTH MARSHALL WAS THE ORIGINAL, UH, SPECIALIZED PROCESSING BUILDING, WHICH BACK IN 14, AS YOU RECALL, HEAD DTSC, WHICH IS THE DEPARTMENT OF TOXIC SUBSTANCE CONTROL ISSUES, UH, WHERE THE BUILDING WAS DEMOLISHED.
AND, UM, A LUC WAS DEVISED BY THE TTSC LIMITING USE FOR FIVE 81 IN AT THIS POINT, THEY CONSIDER PERPETUITY, UM, BECAUSE OF PAPER CONTROL, WHICH IS NECESSARY TO KEEP THE PROPERTY COMPLETELY SEALED AND NO DIGGING ALLOWED ON THE PROPERTY ITSELF.
BASICALLY ALLOWING US ONE MAJOR OPTION, WHICH IS PARKING.
AND THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT IT CAN REALLY BE USED FOR.
UM, INITIALLY I HAD SPOKEN TO STAFF, UH, INSIDE OF PLANNING, UH, AND UH, WAS TOLD THAT THERE WAS A CHANGE WITH REGARDS TO ZONING, WHICH WOULD NO LONGER ALLOW FOR, UH, THE TOW COMPANY TO BE ABLE TO GO ON TO FIVE 81.
I JUST SPOKE WITH PLANNING FURTHER AND, UH, OUR INITIAL PLAN WAS TO TRY AND GET ZONING
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CHANGED FOUR OR FIVE 81.UH, BUT ACCORDING TO PLANNING, THERE IS AN OPTION TO BE ABLE TO WORK WITH THE CURRENT ZONING AND BE ABLE TO CHANGE WITH THE CUP.
UH, THAT WOULD ALLOW THE TRUCKS NOT FOR IMPOUND, BUT ONLY FOR THE VEHICLES THAT ARE OWNED BY ASAP TOWING TO BE PUT ONTO THE PROPERTY AS WELL AS ANY OF THE VEHICLES FOR, UH, WHAT WOULD BE EMPLOYEE ONLY NOT DAMAGE DIRECT.
UH, SO BASICALLY WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR IS, UM, FOR RIGHT NOW AS LONG AS THE CUP CAN UH, BE ESTABLISHED, UM, OH WELL AND GOOD, BUT IF IT'S NOT, THEN I WOULD NEED TO HAVE COUNSEL, UH, COUNSEL'S ASSISTANCE ON TRYING TO GET ZONING CHANGE DONE SO THAT ASAP TOWING CAN REMAIN ON FIVE 81, WHICH IS THE ONLY KIND OF COMPANY THAT WOULD REALLY BE APT TO BE ABLE TO FIT ON THE PROPERTY.
UM, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE ON THE RIGHT TRACK WITH PLANNING.
IF THAT'S SOMEHOW FALLS THROUGH AND YOU FEEL LIKE YOU NEED ASSISTANCE, THEN PLEASE COME BACK AND REQUEST OUR ASSISTANCE AND WE WILL DO WHATEVER WE CAN TO HELP.
THIS BRINGS US TO A GERMAN, THE REGULAR JOINT MEETING OF THE ALCON CITY COUNCIL AND ALCOHOL HOUSING AUTHORITY HELD THIS 13TH DAY OF AUGUST, 2019 IS ADJOURNED TILL TUESDAY, AUGUST 13TH, 2019 AT 7:00 PM SEE YOU.