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PLEASE RISE FOR A FLAG S**T IN A MOMENT OF SILENCE.
PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS.
ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE.
COMMISSIONER P*****K RUDE PRESENT.
COMMISSIONER EDISON, PRESENT COMMISSIONER SOLE PRESENT.
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THANK YOU.WELCOME TO THE EL CAJON PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.
THIS MEETING IS BEING LIVE STREAMED ON THE CITY OF EL CAJON WEBSITE.
APPEALS OF FINAL DECISIONS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION MADE THIS EVENING MUST BE FILED IN WRITING WITH THE CITY CLERK BEFORE 5:00 PM MARCH, MONDAY, MARCH 4TH, 2024.
AND INCLUDE THE PAYMENT OF A FILING FEE.
IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK ON EITHER AN AGENDA OR NON AGENDA ITEM TONIGHT, PLEASE FILL OUT A REQUEST TO SPEAK CARD LOCATED BY THE AGENDA AND TURN IT INTO THE SECRETARY WHO WILL CALL YOU UP TO SPEAK.
WHEN THE AGENDA ITEM COMES UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, WE ASK THAT YOU GIVE US YOUR NAME, SPELLING YOUR LAST NAME.
SPEAKERS ARE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES.
THE DISPLAY ON THE PODIUM AS WELL AS OTHER MONITORS IN THE CHAMBER WILL SHOW TIME COUNTING DOWN AT 30 SECONDS.
THE PODIUM CLOCK READOUT WILL TURN RED.
SIGNIFYING THAT YOU HAVE 30 SECONDS UNTIL THE END OF YOUR TIME.
APPLICANTS AND INDIVIDUALS REPRESENTING GROUPS OF PEOPLE MAY BE ALLOWED MORE TIME IF APPROPRIATE.
ALL PUBLIC HEARING COMMENTS SHOULD BE ADDRESSED TO ME AS THE CHAIR OF THE COMMISSION AND NOT TO INDIVIDUAL COMMISSIONERS OR STAFF MEMBERS.
PLEASE TURN OFF ALL ELECTRONIC DEVICES IF YOU HAVE DONE SO PURSUANT TO CITY COUNCIL RESOLUTION NUMBER ONE 14 DASH 79 A COMMISSIONER WHO HAS RECEIVED EVIDENCE RELATED TO A MATTER BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION OTHER THAN AN UNESCORTED VIEW OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS REQUIRED TO DISCLOSE SUCH INFORMATION.
AT THIS TIME, WE'LL TAKE COMMENTS FROM ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC ON ANY ITEM OF BUSINESS WITHIN THE JURISDICTION OF THE COMMISSION.
THAT IS NOT ON THE AGENDA UNDER STATE LAW.
NO ACTION CAN BE TAKEN ON ITEMS BROUGHT FORWARD UNDER PUBLIC COMMENT EXCEPT TO REFER IT TO STAFF OR ADMINISTRATION TO PUT ON A FUTURE AGENDA.
IF THERE'S ANYONE WHO WISHES TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION UNDER PUBLIC COMMENT, PLEASE COME FORWARD.
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SEEING THAT THERE IS NO ONE, WE WILL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM.A SINGLE MOTION WILL COVER THE CONSENT CALENDAR TONIGHT.
DOES THE COMMISSION WISH TO PULL ANY CONSENT CALENDAR ITEMS? NO.
DOES STAFF WISH TO PULL ANY ITEMS? NO.
ALRIGHT, AT THIS TIME WE WILL NEED TO MAKE HERE A MOTION.
I ADOPT THE MINUTES AS RECORDED.
MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER SOLE, UH, SECONDED BY POLL RUD AND COMMISSIONER SOLY HAS REVIEWED ALL THE MINUTES, SO HE WILL BE VOTING AS WELL.
[3. OTHER ITEMS FOR CONSIDERATION]
VOTE.UH, WE ARE GONNA SKIP AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO UNDER PUBLIC HEARING AND GO TO NUMBER THREE FIRST AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO.
SO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER THREE IS THE PALM RESTAURANT AND BANQUET HALL.
IT IS THE REVIEW OF CUP 2 1 15 DIRECT STAFF TO SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER REVOCATION OF CUP NUMBER 2 15 2 1 1 15 IF THE BUSINESS IS BEING OPERATED IN A MANNER THAT CONFLICTS WITH THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL STAFF.
UM, THIS IS A STAFF INITIATED REQUEST FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO DISCUSS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
AND TO ENSURE COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL, STAFF HAD BEEN, UM, TRYING TO REACH THE OWNER AND OPERATOR TO DISCUSS, UM, OPERATING THIS, UM, RESTAURANT UNDER THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL.
UNFORTUNATELY, STAFF COULD NOT MAKE CONNECTION WITH, UH, THE OPERATOR AND THE, UM, OWNER IN A MEANINGFUL WAY TO DISCUSS THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL.
UH, BUT WE HAVE THE OPERATOR WITH US NOW AND, UM, STAFF IS ASKING THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UM, PAUSE ON CONSIDERING, UM, SCHEDULING THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AT 2 1 1 5 FOR POTENTIAL REVOCATION AND DIRECT STAFF TO WORK WITH THE OPERATOR, UM, TO ENSURE COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITIONS OF APP APPROVAL FOR CUP 2 115.
THE OPERATOR'S HERE IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION WISHES TO SPEAK WITH THE OPERATOR AND ASK ANY QUESTIONS AND STAFF, OF COURSE IS AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT
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THE PLANNING COMMISSION OR THE OPERATOR MAY HAVE.UH, ANY, UH, QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? UM, UH, ONE QUESTION.
IS THE RESTAURANT STILL OPERATING OR NOT OPERATING? MR. CHAIRMAN WOULD THE I'M, YEAH.
I THINK WE SHOULD LET THE APPLICANT COME UP AND SPEAK ON THAT BEHALF.
UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SO THIS BE CLEAR, YOU'RE ASKING FOR A PAUSE? WE ARE, MR. CHAIRMAN, UH, STAFF HAD ORIGINALLY SCHEDULED THIS FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO CONSIDER SCHEDULING THIS ITEM FOR POTENTIAL REVOCATION BECAUSE STAFF HAS, UM, OBSERVED THAT THE, UH, RESTAURANT WAS NOT OPERATING.
UM, AND NOW THAT WE HAVE THE OPERATOR HERE, WE'D LIKE TO WORK WITH THE OPERATOR TO ENSURE COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
WELL IF THERE'S NO FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF, LET'S GO AHEAD AND OPEN UP PUBLIC HEARING.
ANY SPEAKER CARDS AT THIS TIME? I DO NOT HAVE THEM.
WOULD THE OWNER LIKE TO COME FORWARD? YOU CAN FILL OUT A SPEAKER CARD AFTERWARDS.
WE HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FOR YOU.
WE WERE A LITTLE BIT CONFUSED.
SO THE LANDLORD CALLED ME THAT HE GOT THIS LETTER.
SO NICK CAME IN I THINK ON THURSDAY.
HE CALLED HIM AND LEFT HIM A VOICEMAIL TWICE.
WE ARE RESTAURANT AND A BANQUET HALL.
BUT I'M NOT SURE IF THEY WANT A CERTAIN HOURS TO BE OPEN OR NOT.
SO IS THE RESTAURANT OPERATING? ARE YOU GUYS USING THE KITCHEN? YES, WE ARE.
ANY QUESTIONS OR WAS THAT YOUR QUESTION? THAT WAS MY QUESTION.
SO WOULD YOU BE WILLING THEN TO, TO GET TOGETHER WITH STAFF? OH YEAH.
THEY'RE PROBABLY GONNA WANT TO COME BY AND DO, UH, AN INSPECTION CODE, COMPLIANCE INSPECTION.
MAKE SURE THAT THE WAY THAT THE CUP WAS WRITTEN IS, IS HOW YOU'RE OPERATING.
I MEAN, THAT WAS SOMETHING WE ALL DID.
GOSH, WHAT, 10 YEARS AGO? 12 YEARS AGO? IT'S BEEN A WHILE.
SO YEAH, LET'S, LET'S WORK ON THAT.
'CAUSE IT IS IMPORTANT THAT, THAT THE CUP THAT YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN GRANTED, THAT YOU'RE OPERATING WITHIN THAT SCOPE.
AND DAVID ICKIER? UH, YEAH, HE'S THE LANDLORD.
AND SO HE IS THE LANDLORD, BUT WE OWN THE BUSINESS.
SO HE GOT THE LETTER THEN BY THE TIME LIKE, YOU KNOW, IT JUST HAD HAPPENED ALL FAST, SO WENT TO HIM, NOT TO US.
NOW IN 2000, OH IT SAYS 2010 THIS WAS STARTED, WERE YOU OPERATING IN 2010? NO.
NO, WE'VE BEEN THERE FOR ABOUT A YEAR AND THREE MONTHS NOW.
AND, AND THEN WHEN YOU WERE OPERATING, DID THEY KIND OF INFORM YOU OF AS TO WHAT THE SETUP IS CURRENTLY? NO, BUT WE KNOW AS A RESTAURANT IN BANQUET HALL, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF, IF MICRO MY MICROPHONE IS ON.
I, I WAS JUST, I WAS JUST CURIOUS SINCE IT DID GO TO THE LANDLORD AND NOT TO YOU, IF YOU WERE AWARE OF, YOU KNOW, THE GUIDELINES, IF HE MADE YOU AWARE OF HOW NO, WE KNOW IT'S A RESTAURANT IN BANQUET HALL, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS WANT US TO BE OPEN AT CERTAIN TIME.
BUT WE USING THE KITCHEN ALMOST EVERY DAY, YOU KNOW.
ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY.
SO I THINK REALLY THE CONFUSION MIGHT BE, IS UNDERSTANDING MAYBE EVEN WHAT THAT CUP, HOW IT'S WRITTEN.
IF THERE'S, IF THERE'S MAYBE SOME HOURS OF OPERATION THAT THEY'RE NOT AWARE OF OR WE NEED TO AMEND THOSE HOURS, I'M SURE YOU'LL BE WILLING TO WORK WITH THE APPLICANT.
MR. CHAIRMAN AND PLAN COMMISSION.
YES, STEPH UNDERSTANDS, UM, WE UNDERSTAND YOUR DIRECTION AND WE WILL COMMUNICATE WITH THE NEW OPERATOR.
IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY MAY NOT BE FAMILIAR WITH THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL.
UH, SO WE'LL ENSURE THAT THEY ARE AND WE'LL GIVE 'EM A HISTORY AND WHAT THE EXPECTATIONS ARE.
ALRIGHT, SO, UH, BARBARA, DO WE NEED TO DO ANYTHING AT THIS TIME? DO WE MAKE A MOTION TO PAUSE?
SO AT THIS TIME LET'S GO AHEAD AND PAUSE THIS ITEM SO THAT STAFF AND THE APPLICANT CAN GET TOGETHER AND CAN, UH, EDUCATE WHAT'S GOING ON AS FAR AS WHAT, WHAT THE EXPECTATIONS ARE AND WHERE THEY'RE AT.
SO GET TOGETHER WITH STAFF AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
I HAVE DO THEY HAVE CONTACTS? HAS THAT ALREADY BEEN ESTABLISHED? WE DO.
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UM, I BELIEVE, UH, THE DEPUTY DIRECTOR HAS, UM, NICK'S CONTACT INFORMATION AND, UH, HE HAS NOAH'S OR THE DEPUTY DIRECTOR'S CONTACT INFORMATION.I THINK WE'RE JUST MISSING EACH OTHER.
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ALL RIGHT.AND LET'S MOVE BACK TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO.
THIS IS FIRE STATION NUMBER SEVEN, EXPAND AND RENOVATE THE FIRE STATION.
IT IS SQL EXEMPT AND STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVED STAFF, MR. CHAIRMAN AND COMMISSIONERS.
UH, THIS IS A REQUEST TO EXPAND AND RENOVATE FIRE STATION SEVEN AT 6 95 TY RONE STREET.
UH, THIS PROJECT IS APPROXIMATELY 22,000 SQUARE FEET.
THIS PROJECT SITE IS 22,000 SQUARE FEET OR ABOUT A HALF ACRE, AND IS LOCATED ON THE EAST SIDE OF, UH, NORTHWEST WIND DRIVE BETWEEN FLETCHER PARKWAY AND TYRONE STREET.
ACCESS TO THE PROPERTY IS FROM A DRIVEWAY ON TYRONE.
THE EXISTING FIRE STATIONS IS A TWO STORY BUILDING THAT IS APPROXIMATELY 3,500 SQUARE FEET AND WAS APPROVED BY CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT NUMBER 1 0 3 IN 1960.
UH, THE SITE HAS A GENERAL PLAN DESIGNATION OF PUBLIC INSTITUTION, UH, GENERAL PLAN, SAFETY ELEMENT POLICY THREE, FOUR STATES THAT, THAT WE NEED TO ENSURE OR THE CITY NEEDS TO ENSURE THAT PUBLIC FACILITIES AND INFRASTRUCTURE HAVE ADEQUATE CAPACITY, UH, TO RESPOND TO WILDFIRES AND OTHER HAZARDS, HAZARDOUS EVENTS.
ALSO, ACTION 3.4 A, UH, STATES APPLY FIRE UNIT DEPLOYMENT PERFORMANCE MEASURES WITH FUTURE PLANNING OF FIRE STATIONS.
UM, THE PROPOSED PROJECT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GENERAL PLAN AND BECAUSE THE EXPANDED FIRE STATION OR THE PROPOSED EXPANSION HAS BEEN DESIGNED TO MEET THE FUTURE NEEDS OF THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY, UH, THIS IS A SITE PLAN THAT SHOWS, UM, AND IDENT SHOWS AND IDENTIFIES A 3,500 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING AND THE PROPOSED 1600 SQUARE FOOT ADDITION IN WHITE.
SO YOU CAN SEE THE, THE, THE DIFFERENCE IN TERMS OF THE, THE EXPANSION, UM, THAT'S TO THE EAST AND TO THE EXISTING BUILDING IN THE MIDDLE.
SO THE WHOLE BUILDING IS IN WHITE.
UM, SO, UH, SORRY FOR MY CONFUSION.
UM, SO THE ADDITION IS THE, UM, 1600 FEET TO THE EAST SIDE.
SO THAT'S LOOKING AT THE SITE PLAN TO THE RIGHT L THE SMALL L SITE IMPROVEMENTS INCLUDE NEW PUBLIC PARKING AND SECURITY FENCING.
UM, THE EXISTING AND PROPOSED WEST ELEVATIONS ARE SHOWN HERE.
SO IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE TOP THAT'S EXISTING FACING WEST, AND THE LOWER HALF OF THE IMAGE IS THE PROPOSED.
AND THIS IS, UH, THE BUILDING ELEVATIONS FOR THE SOUTH AND THE SAME EXISTING AT THE TOP AND THEN PROPOSED AT THE BOTTOM.
AND THIS IS FACES THE RESIDENTIAL, UH, APARTMENTS THAT ARE IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THE EAST.
SO YOU CAN SEE THAT THE ELEVATIONS DO GIVE IT A MODERNIZATION.
MORE OF A MODERN LOOK, UH, UPSCALE, MORE, MORE WINDOWS, UH, MORE, UM, LIGHT, UM, BEING BROUGHT IN AND AT LEAST IN STAFF'S OPINION, A MORE APPEALING APPEARANCE TO THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES SURROUNDING COMMUNITY.
UM, AND THIS IMAGE HERE, THESE ARE SHOWN THE ELEVATIONS THAT ARE FACING FLETCHER PARKWAY.
SO THE PROPOSED EXPANSION AND RENOVATION WILL INCLUDE, UM, NECESSARY AMENITIES, UH, THAT ARE EXPECTED WITH A MODERN FIRE STATION SUCH AS PRIVATE SLEEPING ROOMS AND TWO APPARATUS BAYS.
UM, RIGHT NOW THE CURRENT, THE THE CURRENT, UM, SITE OR CURRENT STATION DOES NOT, IS NOT EQUIPPED FOR, UM, FEMALES THAT ARE ON THE, ON THE STAFF.
THE EXISTING BUILDING DESIGN REMAINS MANY OF THE EXISTING BUILDING FEATURES, UH, DESIGN, UM, WHILE INTRODUCING NEW WINDOWS, AS WAS STATED, WHICH SERVE TO BETTER INTEGRATE THE STRUCTURE WITH THE SURROUNDING OFFICE BUILDINGS, WHICH ARE TO THE WEST, AS WELL AS THE RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES THAT ARE ADJACENT AND NEARBY.
THE OVERALL OPERATION OF THE FIRE STATION WILL REMAIN CONSISTENT WITH CURRENT OPERATIONS.
HOWEVER, THE BUILDING EXPANSION DOES ANTICIPATE FUTURE NEEDS AS REQUIRED BY THE GENERAL PLAN SHOULD ADDITIONAL STAFFING OR EQUIPMENT BECOME NECESSARY TO SERVE THE NEEDS OF THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY.
AND THE REQUEST QUALIFIES FOR A SQL EXEMPTION FOR MINOR ADDITIONS TO EXISTING STRUCTURES.
THE SAAS RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION ADOPT THE NEXT RESOLUTIONS IN ORDER APPROVING THE CQA EXEMPTION AND THE AMENDMENT OF THE GOVERNING CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
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THE CITY'S PROJECT MANAGER, SINAN KACI AND FIRE CHIEF BENCO ARE HERE FROM, UM, TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION MAY HAVE AND STAFF IS AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.MUCH NEEDED, HUH? THAT'S DEFINITELY, SO THEY'RE BASICALLY SLEEPING ON COTS, ALMOST
ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? NOT AT ALL.
I MEAN, IF THEY, IF THEY'RE REDOING THE FIREHOUSE, I ASSUME THE SERVICES WILL BE PUT ELSEWHERE WHILE IT'S UNDER CONSTRUCTION OR ARE THEY GONNA DO IT WHILE THEY'RE ON SITE? 'CAUSE IT'S QUITE A BIG OVERHAUL ON THIS ONE.
SO, MR. CHAIRMAN, COMMISSIONERS, IF I UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION IS HOW WILL EXISTING STAFF BE ACCOMMODATED DURING RE RENOVATIONS AND PERHAPS, UM, CHIEF KOCH CAN, UM, ANSWER THAT QUESTION FOR US.
MISSION, UM, WE WILL HAVE CURRENT CREWS OR STAFFED OUT OF THE FIRE STATION, MOVED TO ANOTHER STATION, EITHER STATION NINE IN EL CAJON, OR IN THE PAST WHEN WE HAD SOME RENOVATIONS DONE TO STATION SEVEN, WE'VE HAD 'EM, UM, RESPOND ON LA MESA FIRE STATION 12, WHICH IS PRETTY MUCH RIGHT ON THE BORDER BETWEEN THE TWO CITIES.
YES, I WAS LOOKING AT THE TWO, UH, FLOOR PLANS AND IT LOOKS LIKE WITH THE DORM THERE WERE SEVEN BEDS AND WITH THE PRIVATE ROOMS, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S ONLY FOUR ROOMS. ARE THOSE BUNK BEDS? AND I'M JUST MISSING SOMETHING.
NO, I BELIEVE WE'RE EXPANDING THE ABILITY RIGHT NOW.
THE DORM, EVEN THOUGH THERE'S SEVEN BEDS, UM, NOT THE, NOT ALL THE BEDS ARE BEING USED.
THERE'S ONLY THREE PEOPLE WORKING OUT THAT STATION CURRENTLY.
ALL RIGHT, WELL I THINK I, DID I EVEN OPEN PUBLIC HEARING? I'LL OPEN PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN I'LL GO AND LOOK FOR A MOTION TO CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING.
SO THI LAI SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER SCO, PLEASE VOTE.
WELL DEFINITELY A MUCH NEEDED REMODEL, WELL DESERVED.
ANYONE CARE TO MAKE A MOTION ON THIS? SURE, I WILL.
MOVE TO ADOPT THE NEXT RESOLUTION IN ORDER APPROVING A CQA EXEMPT AND CUP 2024 DASH 0 0 2.
AN AMENDMENT OF THE CUP NUMBER 1 0 3 SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS.
MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER SOLEI, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER SERCO, PLEASE VOTE.
MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.
HOPEFULLY EVERYTHING GOES SMOOTH.
UH, ANY STAFF COMMUNICATION AT THIS TIME?
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NO, MR. CHAIRMAN.ANY, UH, COMMUNICATION FROM THE COMMISSION? IT'S NICE TO HAVE EVERYBODY BACK.
HOPEFULLY EVERYBODY GETS BETTER.
ALRIGHT, WELL, AT THIS TIME THEN I'D LIKE TO, UH, MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN.
THAT MOTION BE BY COMMISSIONER MOROSE.
SECOND BY COMMISSIONER P*****K RUD, PLEASE VOTE.
MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.
I KNOW I ASK THIS EVERY TIME, BUT.