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[ CALL TO ORDER: Mayor Bill Wells]

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WELCOME TO THE OAKLAWN CITY COUNCIL MEETING.

THE MEETING IS CALLED TO ORDER, AND I'D LIKE TO ASK FOR THE CITY CLERK TO CALL THE ROLE.

OUR PLAZA MEMBERS ARE PRESENT BODY PRICE.

ARE YOU HERE, DR? BODY PRICE.

I'M GOING TO ASK A DR. PRICE TO LEAD US THE PUDGE OF THE LEADERS.

WOULD YOU ALL PLEASE STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE THEN REMAIN STANDING AFTER FOR A BRIEF MOMENT OF SILENCE.

YEAH.

JUSTICE FOR ALL.

THANK YOU.

OKAY.

THE CITY CLERK POSTED

[ POSTINGS: The City Clerk posted Orders of Adjournment of the May 28, 2019, Meeting and the Agendas of the June 11, 2019, Meetings in accordance to State Law and Council/Authority/Successor Agency to the Redevelopment Agency Policy.]

ORDERS OF A GERMAN OF THE MAY 28TH, 2019 MEETING AND THE AGENDA OF THE JUNE 11TH, 2019 MEETING IN CHORDS WITH STATE LAW COUNCIL AND HOUSING AUTHORITY POLICY.

WE HAVE A COUPLE OF PRESENTATIONS

[ PRESENTATIONS: Presentation: Movie in the Park Proclamation: San Diego County Water Authority - 75th Anniversary ]

ON TODAY'S AGENDA.

THE FIRST ONE I'D LIKE TO INVITE A DIRECTOR OF RECREATION, MR. FRANK CARSON, TO SHARE WITH US ABOUT MOVIES IN THE PARK.

HI, FRANK AFTERNOON, MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL.

THEY FOR HAVING ME TODAY.

I WANT YOU TO BRIEFLY BRIEFLY INTRODUCE YOU TO OUR SUMMER MOVIES IN THE PARK SERIES.

WE'RE GOING TO BE SHOWING NINE MOVIES THIS SUMMER.

VERY EXCITED ABOUT IT.

UH, THEY DO START COMING UP ON SATURDAY, JUNE 22ND.

SO THROUGHOUT THE SUMMER WHERE OUR THEME IS SUPERHEROES.

ORIGINALLY WE WERE LOOKING AT JUST DOING ALL DC OR MARVEL MOVIES, BUT WE WERE LOOKING AT THE DEMOGRAPHICS AND WE WANTED TO SWITCH IT UP.

SO WE'RE OFFERING A WIDE AGE GROUP OF DIFFERENT MOVIES.

A COUPLE OF HIGHLIGHTS I WANT TO SHOW ON HERE IS, UH, WE ARE SHOWING AQUAMAN AT FLETCHER HILLS POOL.

TRY TO FEATURE THAT ONE YEAR MY STAFF WILL AGREE TO JAWS, BUT RIGHT NOW THEY'RE DOING MORE AQUA MAN.

UH, THAT'S THE ONLY ONE WHERE WE ASK A PREREGISTRATION FOR.

THERE'S NO FEE.

IT'S A FREE EVENT, BUT THERE'S LIMITED CAPACITY AT THE POOL.

SO WE'RE, WE'RE ASKING PUBLICLY TO, TO LET US KNOW IF YOU'RE PLANNING ON COMING SO WE CAN HAVE THAT SPACE FOR YOU.

AND THEN THE OTHER ONE IS A SPECIAL NIGHT.

IT'S TUESDAY, AUGUST SIX.

IT'S ACTUALLY COINCIDES WITH NATIONAL NIGHT OUT WITH OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT.

SO FOLLOWING THEIR EVENT AT THE PRESCOTT PROMINENT FROM FIVE TO 8:00 PM ON TUESDAY, AUGUST SIX, WE'RE GOING TO SHOW JUSTICE LEAGUE.

IT'S A DC MOVIE WITH SUPERMAN AND BATMAN.

AND ALL OF THEM.

UM, SO JUST A COUPLE OF HIGHLIGHTS FROM LAST YEAR.

UH, WE DID HAVE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT COME OUT AND FULL FORCE OR AMOUNT OF POLICE WERE OUT AT EVERY EVENT WITH OUR HORSES.

UH, WE TRIED TO GET THE ABOUT THREE HOURS BEFORE THE EVENT, HAVE A LOT OF FREE ACTIVITIES FOR THE COMMUNITY TO GET THEM TO COME EARLIER OUT THERE.

WHAT WE DO KNOW FROM RECENT STUDIES IS WHEN YOU OFFER COMMUNITY EVENTS LIKE THIS LOCALIZED AND COMMUNITY PARKS, THAT CRIME DOES DECREASE BY 17%.

SO WE WANT TO OFFER AMENITIES LIKE THIS, OUR COMMUNITY WHERE WE ARE ACTUALLY TAKING OVER A PARK AND THERE WAS MORE OF A POSITIVE REINFORCEMENT IN THE PARK.

UH, WHAT YOU SEE HERE IS UM, WELLS PARK.

LAST WINTER TIME WE SHOULD MOVE THE ELEPHANT.

WE'RE GOING TO SHOW 'EM THE GRINCH THIS COMING WINTER TIME AT, AT WELLS PARK ALSO.

UH, WE FIND THAT WE GET A BIG HIT WHEN WE TAKE IT OVER AT WINTER IN THAT TIME PERIOD AS WELL.

THAT COMPLETES MY PRESENTATION.

OH, THANKS FOR IT.

LET ME SEE IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS.

QUESTIONS FROM STEP.

ALL RIGHT.

THANKS FOR A NICE PRESENTATION.

THANK YOU.

WE NOW HAVE A PROCLAMATION FOR THE 75TH ANNIVERSARY OF THE SAN DIEGO COUNTY WATER AUTHORITY.

I'D LIKE TO INVITE THE DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS, MR DICK EPPERSON TO READ THE PROCLAMATION AND TO ACCEPT THE PROCLAMATION.

I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO INVITE THE PRINCIPAL, A PRINCIPAL PUBLIC AFFAIRS REPRESENTATIVE.

THIS IS REISA BARONE TO THE PARTY AS WELL.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH MR MAYOR.

UM, WE HAVE A PROCLAMATION HONORING SAN DIEGO WATER AUTHORITY TODAY IN THE 75TH ANNIVERSARY WHEREAS SAN DIEGO COUNTY'S HISTORY REVOLVES AROUND THE SEARCH FOR SAFE AND RELIABLE WATER SUPPLIES AND A REGION THAT HAS FEW NATURAL RAW WATER RESOURCES.

THE WATER AUTHORITY WAS FORMED 75 YEARS AGO TO MANAGE WATER IMPORTS.

IT'S 24 MEMBER AGENCIES HAVE REVOLUTIONIZED WATER SUPPLY RELIABILITY THROUGH A DECADES LONG DIVERSIFICATION STRATEGY.

AND NOW FOR NOW, THEREFORE BILL WELLS MAYOR FOR THE CITY OF OKLAHOMA, TOGETHER WITH THE CITY COUNCIL IN RECOGNITION OF THE WATER AUTHORITIES, EXTRAORDINARY TRACK RECORD OF SUCCESS, ITS COMMITMENT TO VISIONARY STRATEGIES FOR MEETING THE REGION'S FUTURE DEMANDS AND ITS INNOVATIVE SPIRIT THAT DEFINES SAN DIEGO DO HEREBY PROCLAIM THE WATER AUTHORITY TO BE AN INDISPENSABLE PART OF SAN DIEGO COUNTY'S HISTORY AND AN INVALUABLE PART OF ITS FUTURE AS THE REGION'S TRUSTED WATER LEADER.

WE FURTHER APPLAUD THE SAN DIEGO COUNTY WATER AUTHORITY FOR IT'S FOUNDATIONAL AND FAR REACHING

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CONTRIBUTIONS TO THE REGION'S ECONOMY AND QUALITY OF LIFE SINCE ITS FORMATION IN 1944 SIGNED THIS 11TH DAY OF JUNE, 2019 RIGHT.

THANK YOU VERY, VERY MUCH.

WE REALLY APPRECIATE THIS, THIS RECOGNITION.

UM, OUR OFFICIAL BIRTHDAY ACTUALLY WAS ON SUNDAY, JUNE 9TH.

UM, I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF COPIES FOR THOSE WHO LIKE IT.

IT'S AN INSERT THAT WAS IN THE UNION TRIBUNE, A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE WATER AUTHORITY AND WHO WE ARE.

AND THEN LASTLY, THIS IS JUST A WONDERFUL OPPORTUNITY FOR THE FOLKS IN EAST COUNTY.

UM, THIS FALL, UH, WATER, UH, THE WATER AUTHORITY IS GOING TO BE HOSTING OUR CITIZENS WATER ACADEMY.

AND FOR FOLKS THAT DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS PROGRAM IS, WE HAVE OVER 500 CIVIC LEADERS THROUGHOUT THE REGION THAT HAVE COME AND LEARNED ABOUT WATER POLICY, WATER RESOURCES, AND ALL ABOUT WATER PROCUREMENT.

THE CLASSES ARE GOING TO BE HELD IN OCTOBER IN, UM, AT HELIX WATER DISTRICT AND OKLAHOMA.

AND SO DO HAVE FLYERS FOR THIS EVENT.

I DO ENCOURAGE YOU TO SHARE THIS WITH THE COMMUNITY, UM, NOMINATE CIVIC LEADERS THAT YOU THINK THAT WOULD BE INTERESTED IN LEARNING ABOUT WATER.

AND, UM, IT'S JUST ANOTHER, ANOTHER ADDITIONAL RESOURCE FOR THE COMMUNITY.

SO THANK YOU.

THEIR WEBSITE OR PHONE NUMBER, PEOPLE COULD CALL IF THEY WANTED TO CONTACT YOU ABOUT THAT.

YEAH, I CAN LEAVE THAT WITH THE CLERK IF YOU WOULD SAY IT HERE.

OH, ABSOLUTELY.

MY NAME IS RISA R, I S. A BARRON, B. A. R. O. N.

MY EMAIL IS R BARRON AT SDC W A.

DOT.

O R, G.

AND MY PHONE NUMBER IS EIGHT, FIVE EIGHT FIVE TWO TWO SIX SEVEN ONE FOUR.

AND THEY CAN FEEL FREE TO CALL.

BOB, HAVE A QUICK YES.

UM, I READ IN THE PAPER RECENTLY THAT THE SNOWPACK IN THIS YEARS, IS IT 200% OF WHAT NORMAL WOULD BE, UM, IS THERE A POSSIBILITY OF FLOODING AND CALIFORNIA OR NORTHERN CALIFORNIA AND WHAT DOES THIS DO FOR OUR SAN DIEGO WATER AUTHORITY? DOES IT ADD A LOT MORE WATER THAN WE WOULD NORMALLY GET? RAIN AND SNOW PACK IN THE REGION AND THE STATE HAS BEEN VERY HELPFUL TO ALL THE WATER SUPPLIES THROUGHOUT THE, THROUGHOUT CALIFORNIA.

WE ARE REALLY GOOD WATER LEVELS RIGHT NOW AND VERY OBVIOUSLY OPTIMISTIC THAT IT WILL GET, WE'RE NO LONGER OBVIOUSLY IN A DROUGHT CONDITION, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN CONSERVATION AND EFFICIENCY IS NOT IMPORTANT BECAUSE THAT'S JUST THE WAY OF LIFE LIVING HERE IN CALIFORNIA.

SO WITH THAT, UM, WE MONITOR THOSE OBVIOUSLY EXTREMELY CLOSELY AND CERTAINLY, UM, WE'RE VERY GRATEFUL FOR THE WATER, THE RAIN THAT WE'VE HAD THIS YEAR.

UM, BUT I, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S SOMETHING WE TRACK ON A REGULAR BASIS AND ALL I CAN SAY IS THAT, UM, THIS WAS A BLESSING FOR US TO HAVE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO FILL UP OUR PHILIP OUR STORAGE.

BUT THERE'S STILL PLENTY MORE WATER THAT WE COULD, WE COULD USE IN THIS STATE.

WELL, UH, WITH THE 200% SNOW PACK, WE'LL LET FILL UP THE WATER AND THE OTHER RESERVOIRS THROUGHOUT THE STATE.

ABSOLUTELY.

AND, UH, WILL THERE BE ANY CHANCE OF MAJOR FLOODING AND THE, NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF, BUT I CERTAINLY CAN FOLLOW UP AND REPORT BACK TO THE CITY.

WELL, UH, UH, IT WOULD BE MORE IN NORTH NORTHERN CALIFORNIA, I WOULD ASSUME, BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE IT WOULD BE AN ISSUE HERE IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA.

NO, I, WE'VE NEVER HAD ONE THAT I CAN REMEMBER.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANKS FOR MY TREASURE.

I APPRECIATE IT.

ANYTHING ELSE? THANK YOU.

PLEASE.

WHEN YOU TAKE YOUR POCKET BASE BACK, PLEASE TELL EVERYBODY THAT WE APPRECIATE WHAT YOU DO.

THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT.

UM, AGENDAS, CHANGE OF STAFF.

DO YOU HAVE ANY AGENDA CHANGES, MR MAYOR? WE HAVE NO CHANGES TO THE AGENDA.

HOW ABOUT FROM THE COUNCIL? NO.

MOVING ON THEN.

WE

[7. CONSENT ITEMS: Consent Items are routine matters enacted by one motion according to the RECOMMENDATION listed below. With the concurrence of the City Council, a Council Member or person in attendance may request discussion of a Consent Item at this time.]

ARE NOW CONSENT ITEMS. CONSENT ITEMS ARE ROUTINE MATTERS AND ACTED BY ONE MOTION ACCORDING TO THE RECOMMENDATION LIST OF BELOW WITH THE CONCURRENCE OF THE CITY COUNCIL, A COUNCIL MEMBER OR PERSON IN ATTENDANCE MAY RISK QUEST.

DISCUSSION OF A CONSENT ITEM AT THIS TIME.

COUNCIL MEMBERS, DO YOU HAVE ANY CONSENT ITEMS YOU'D LIKE TO? PAUL STAFF? NO SIR.

ANGELA, DO WE HAVE ANY SPRINT CARS FOR CONSENT ITEMS? YES SIR.

WE HAVE SPEAKERS FOR ITEM FOUR, SIX AND EIGHT.

LET'S START WITH THAT THEN.

FOR ITEM FOUR, IT'S MS BONNIE PRICE.

HI BONNIE.

MY USUAL QUESTION WAS THIS, UM, AMEN.

SUBJECT TO COMPETITIVE BIDDING.

I'LL DEFER TO STAFF ON THIS ONE.

OKAY.

SO MR MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, WE BELONG TO A JOINT POWERS AUTHORITY FOR INSURANCE PURPOSES AND SO WE'RE WORKING WITH THAT JOINT POWERS AUTHORITY.

ONE THAT WE'VE BELONGED TO IS THE MAJORITY OF THE CITIES IN THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA BELONG TO.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

UH, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT HAPPENED ON ALL FINANCIAL TRANSACTIONS BECAUSE IT SEEMS TO ME THERE HAVE BEEN A NUMBER OF SOLE SOURCE, UM, COMPANIES THAT HAVE BEEN CONTRACTED.

SO THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO

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KNOW ABOUT THIS ONE.

I APPRECIATE ASKING FOR ITEM SIX, TONY GALLIANO.

THAT WAS FIVE AND SIX.

SIX OR SIX? SIX.

HEY SIR.

HOW ARE YOU? GOOD SIR.

HOW ARE YOU? GOOD.

THANKS FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.

UH, ALWAYS.

I KNOW, I UNDERSTAND.

WE'RE VOTING ON OUR CONTRACT TODAY AND I JUST WANTED TO, UH, KIND OF GIVE EVERYBODY AN OVERVIEW OF WHAT WE WERE HOPING TO ACHIEVE AND, AND WHERE WE WERE HEADED, UH, WITH OUR, WITH OUR CONTRACT.

UM, AS WE'VE NOTICED OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS, WE STARTED LOSING MORE AND MORE PEOPLE.

WE WERE EXPERIENCING RECRUITMENT AND RETENTION PROBLEMS. AND A BIG PART OF THAT WAS DUE TO THE FACT THAT WE WERE DRIFTING DOWNWARDS IN THE MEDIAN SALARY IN THE COUNTY.

IF YOU COMPARED US TO MANY OTHER DEPARTMENTS.

AND, UH, IT'S VERY COMPETITIVE OUT THERE NOW WITH PEOPLE, UH, YOU KNOW, PRETTY MUCH NOT HAVING MANY PROBLEMS AT ALL IN GETTING A JOB WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.

SO WE NEED TO, NEEDED TO REMAIN COMPETITIVE.

AND WHAT WE'RE HOPING TO ACHIEVE WITH THIS CONTRACT IS TO BRING OURSELVES UP AT EACH RANK WITH, WITHIN THE MEDIA, UNDERSTANDING THE LIMITATIONS FINANCIALLY OF, OF OUR CITY.

WE, AND WE KNOW THAT WE'RE NOT THE RICHEST CITY IN THE COUNTY, SO WE'RE NOT ASKING OBVIOUSLY FOR THE TOP OF THE PAY SCALE, BUT SHOOTING FOR THE MEDIAN IN OUR HOPES IS GOING TO GET US TO THE POINT WHERE WE CAN RECRUIT, UM, AND W RECRUIT WELL AND RETAIN OUR EMPLOYEES AND CONTINUE TO PROVIDE THE HIGH LEVEL OF SERVICE THAT WE'VE, THAT WE'VE PROVIDED.

UM, GOING DOWN THIS TIME AND WORKING WITH, UH, WITH GRAHAM, WE SEPARATED OUT EACH RANK AND TOOK, INSTEAD OF LOOKING FOR ONE RAISE ACROSS THE BOARD, WE TRIED TO GET SOME OF OUR RANKS WERE ALMOST 19% BELOW THE MEDIAN, UH, BATTALION CHIEF RANKS.

SO WE SEPARATED THEM OUT AND IN AN ATTEMPT TO TRY TO GET THEM TO THE MEETING.

AND THAT'S WHY YOU SEE THE DIFFERENCES IN, UM, IN, UH, PAY SCALES THERE INSTEAD OF JUST ONE PERCENTAGE ACROSS THE BOARD.

WE SEPARATED IT OUT.

UM, WE'RE NOT ONLY CONCERNED WITH LOSING A NEW HIRES AND PEOPLE THAT ARE ONLY, HAVE ONLY BEEN ON FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS.

THERE'S A LOT OF DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE DOING OPEN RECRUITMENT NOW FOR BATTALION CHIEF LEVEL, UH, POSITIONS.

AND WE COULD POTENTIALLY LOSE PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN HERE FOR 20 OR 30 YEARS.

SO THAT'S WHY WE'VE NOW LOOKED AT BREAKING THOSE DOWN AND GET EVERYBODY UP TO THAT MEETING AND LOOKING AT THE CONTRACT.

AND I WANT TO THANK THE CITY FOR, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, UM, JUST THE ATTITUDE THAT THIS WHOLE THING WAS APPROACHED WITH.

I THINK WE'RE ALL UNDERSTANDING WE'RE IN THE SAME BOAT.

UH, AND I THINK THAT, UM, WE CAME UP WITH A GOOD, A GOOD CONTRACT THAT BENEFITS US.

IT HELPS US ACHIEVE WHAT WE NEED TO ACHIEVE.

AND IT ALSO, UH, STILL, UM, KEEPS THE CITY FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE.

ANY QUESTIONS BUT DON'T RUN AWAY.

HIT YOUR, YOUR SALON, STEVE? A LOT OF QUESTION ABOUT A COMMENT.

ALCOHOL AND FIREFIGHTERS AND POLICE OFFICERS, JUST SOME OF THE BUSIEST IN THE COUNTY.

FOR INSTANCE, A SQUAD SIX, WHICH I THINK A COUPLE OF YOUR GUYS JUST LEFT FOR.

THEY DID OVER 4,000 CALLS FOR SERVICE JUST ON THAT ONE UNIT IN A YEAR.

SO THAT'S CORRECT.

OVER AN AVERAGE OF 10 A DAY JUST FOR THAT ONE APPARATUS.

SO YOU ARE VERY BUSY.

AND WE ACTUALLY AT THIS POINT HAVE THE LOWEST, UH, FIREFIGHTER PER CAPITA COUNT IN THE ENTIRE COUNTY.

SO WE'RE DOING, WE'RE DOING MORE WITH LESS AND WE'RE PROVIDING, UH, W WITH THAT IN MIND, WE'RE PROVIDING A VERY HIGH LEVEL OF CARE.

YOU KNOW, THOSE THAT HAVE COME BEFORE ME IN THIS DEPARTMENT HAVE BUILT A REALLY GOOD REPUTATION IN THIS COUNTY.

AND, UM, IF YOU ASK ANYBODY AROUND IN THIS COUNTY, UH, WE STILL HAVE THAT REPUTATION AND THIS CONTRACT WILL HELP ENSURE THAT WE CAN KEEP THAT BY KEEPING PEOPLE AND RECRUITING GOOD, GOOD QUALITY PEOPLE.

AND I'M HAPPY TO SEE SOME MAKE GOODS IN THE AREA OF CAPTAIN AND BATTALION CHIEF, UH, TO HELP RETAIN AND PROVIDE SOME ADVANCEMENT INCENTIVES TO STAY HERE IN OKLAHOMA.

SO I THINK IT WAS A WELL DONE BY THE CITY MANAGER AND THE FIREFIGHTERS TO COME TO A GOOD AGREEMENT THERE TO KEEP SOME OF YOU GUYS AROUND.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

BEFORE YOU GO, I WANT TO THANK YOU.

I, WE DON'T GET A CHANCE TO TALK TO YOU DIRECTLY LIKE THIS VERY OFTEN.

UM, I'VE WORKED IN EMERGENCY MEDICINE MOST OF MY ADULT LIFE AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU HEAR, YOU HEAR ABOUT ALL THE DEPARTMENTS AND IT SEEMS LIKE ALL THE DEPARTMENTS AGREE THAT HARLAND HAS THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF PROFESSIONALISM.

AND I'VE HEARD ONE PERSON SAID IT'S LIKE THE HARVARD OF, UH, EMERGENCY MEDICINE AND SO YOU SHOULD BE PROUD.

WE'RE PROUD OF YOU.

AND YOU'VE ALSO BEEN RECOGNIZED BY THE COUNTRY AS A, AS HAVING ONE OF THE HIGHEST STANDARDS.

WHAT, WHAT, WHAT DOES DUSKY TELL PEOPLE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE, ABOUT THAT RATING? EH, OUR, OUR DEPARTMENT IS RATED AS A CLASS ONE DEPARTMENT.

THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT FACTORS THAT GO INTO THAT.

I'M SURE CHIEF SWAYING WOULD BE MORE WELL VERSED IN THAT, BUT ESSENTIALLY IT LOOKS AT RESPONSE TIMES.

IT LOOKS AT LEVELS OF CALLS AND IT LOOKS AT, UM, THE OVERALL OPERATION OF OUR DEPARTMENT.

IT'S VERY HARD TO GET.

AND, UH, WE DID ACHIEVE A CLASS ONE RATING, SO, UH, WE'RE PRETTY PROUD THAT.

AND WHAT'S THE PERCENTAGE OF DEPARTMENTS THAT HAVE THAT RATING? I'M NOT SURE ON THAT.

LESS THAN 1% IN THE NATION.

SO THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

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THANK YOU.

THE LAST SPEAKER FOR CONSENT ITEMS IS FOR ITEM EIGHT, AND IT'S TRAVIS HOWARD.

I DIDN'T RECOGNIZE YOU.

THIS IS OFFICER HOWARD.

SO THIS IS, UH, UH, DETECTIVE HOWARD AT THE MOMENT, AND I APOLOGIZE FOR MY APPEARANCE.

UH, I WILL SAY, ALTHOUGH, UH, I WASN'T ABLE TO COME IN UNIFORM TODAY, UH, I DID ARREST A GANG MEMBER EARLIER TODAY FOR TAGGING THE CITY.

SO, UH, THERE IS, THERE IS THAT FIRE CHIEFS MAN HAVE TO GO BEHIND THAT.

THAT'S, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT.

TONY DID A FANTASTIC JOB.

UM, SO I ALSO WANTED TO BRIEFLY TALK ABOUT, UM, THE POTENTIAL CONTRACT, WHICH, UH, THE COUNCIL WILL BE VOTING ON TODAY.

UM, I'VE MET WITH, UH, ALL OF YOU.

UM, I JUST MET COUNCILMAN ORTIZ.

UM, BUT OVER THE YEARS I'VE EXPLAINED, UH, THE ISSUES THAT FACE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND ESPECIALLY THE POLICE OFFICERS ASSOCIATION, UH, WHICH REPRESENTS THE MEMBERS THAT MAKE UP THE POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR MANY YEARS.

UM, WE ALSO HAVE, UH, HAVE STRUGGLED TO, TO MAINTAIN MEDIUM PAY AND, UM, QUITE RECENTLY HAVE FALLEN, UH, ON THE PAY SCALE, UH, QUITE A BIT.

AND BECAUSE OF THAT, WE'VE LOST A LOT OF MEMBERS, A LOT OF VERY GOOD, UH, WELL TRAINED OFFICERS THAT, UM, ARE LOOKING AT, AT OTHER AGENCIES IN THE COUNTY, UM, THAT ARE A LITTLE BIT MORE COMPARABLE PAID.

UH, SO WITH THAT IN MIND, UH, WE, UH, ENTERED NEGOTIATIONS.

UM, HOWEVER, AT THE SAME TIME, UM, WE DON'T ONLY THINK FOR OURSELVES, WE DO UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S THE CITY'S RESPONSIBILITY TO THINK FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE AND TO, UM, TO, UH, MAKE SURE THAT THE CITY CONTINUES ON TO THE FUTURE AND THAT, UH, OUR CITIES, UH, RESERVES DON'T GET DEPLETED.

UM, YOU KNOW, JUST TO, UM, BENEFIT A SMALL, UH, EMPLOYEE ASSOCIATION.

SO, UH, WITH THAT IN MIND, WE FELT WE'VE CAME TO A VERY, UM, UH, GOOD AGREEMENT BETWEEN, UH, THE OAKLAND POLICE OFFICERS ASSOCIATION, THE CITY.

UM, TONY TOUCHED ON A LITTLE BIT, I'M GOING TO TOUCH ON A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE, THIS PROCESS, UH, AND, AND WHAT'S INVOLVED IN IT.

I'VE BEEN IN A VAULT IN A PROFIT PROCESS PREVIOUSLY AND, UH, AND THEN THIS YEAR, UH, WITH CURRENT CITY MANAGEMENT, UH, WAS, UH, HEADING ABOVE ANYTHING THAT I'VE, UH, COULD HAVE EVER HOPED FOR AS FAR AS JUST THE CORDIAL NOTICE, UH, THE, UM, THE WAY THAT, UH, IDEAS WERE GIVEN AND RECEIVED, UM, THE PRIORITIES, WHICH WERE ALSO GIVEN AND RECEIVED A LISTEN TO, UH, WHAT WE FELT WOULD BE, UH, IMPORTANT PRIORITIES.

AND OF COURSE, I LISTENED TO WHAT THEY FELT WOULD BE IMPORTANT PRIORITIES AND WE REALLY WORK TOGETHER.

NOBODY GOT EXACTLY WHAT THEY WANTED, BUT IT WAS A, WE COME TOGETHER AND CAME TO THIS, UH, AGREEMENT, WHICH, UH, OUR MEMBERSHIP HAS OVERWHELMINGLY.

SO, UH, AGAIN, I JUST WOULD LIKE TO THANK, UH, CURRENT CITY STAFF AND, UH, ASK THAT, UH, CITY COUNCIL, UH, VOTE YES ON THIS CONTRACT.

AND AGAIN, I APOLOGIZE FOR MY APPEARANCE TODAY WAS NOT PLANNING ON SPEAKING SO WELL YOU DID GREAT.

LET ME SEE.

DOES ANY QUESTIONS, CARRIE? WELL, I'VE BEEN ON A FEW UH, POLICE RIDE ALONGS AND I WAS REALLY IMPRESSED WITH THE PROFESSIONALISM OF OUR POLICE OFFICERS.

CAUSE NOT ONLY ARE THEY PEACEKEEPERS, THEY'RE MARRIAGE COUNSELORS, THEY'RE PSYCHOLOGISTS, THEY'RE SOCIAL WORKERS.

THERE IS A WHOLE ARRAY OF THINGS THAT MAKE A GREAT POLICE OFFICER.

I SAW TIME AND TIME AGAIN, UH, OFFICERS THAT WERE JUST REALLY KINDHEARTED BUT FROM WHEN THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO BE.

SO I THINK HE, YOU GUYS DO JUST A FANTASTIC JOB HERE IN OKLAHOMA.

SO THANK YOU SO MUCH, VERY MUCH COUNCILMAN.

AND THANKS FOR ARRESTING THE GANG MEMBER DOING GRAFFITI.

YOU'RE VERY WELCOME.

GOOD JOB, TRAVIS.

I'M GLAD TO HEAR THAT.

IF YOU'RE HAPPY THEN I'M HAPPY BECAUSE THE KEY ELEMENT HERE IN COMPENSATION IS THERE ARE A LOT OF RETIREMENTS OF, WE'VE GOT SOME AGE BANDS OR, OR SERVICE BANDS IN THIS.

WE'VE GOT A LIEUTENANT WHO'S GOT 23 DAYS LEFT AND I WOULD LIKE TO KEEP SOMEBODY, UH, ON THE FORCE FILLING IN THAT POSITION.

SO WE, I THINK WE HAVE AT LEAST 20 NEW OFFICERS IN THE PAST 12 MONTHS.

IF I, MY NUMBERS ARE RIGHT, THAT IS CORRECT.

AND WE INVEST A LOT IN THESE MEN AND WOMEN AND IT WOULD NOT BE GOOD TO BECOME A TRAINING GROUND FOR OTHER AGENCIES.

SO, UH, WE NEED TO KEEP THEM, MAKE THEM PROMOTABLE.

SO IF YOU'RE HAPPY, WE'RE HAPPY.

YES, WE ARE VERY HAPPY.

AND JUST TO BRIEFLY SPEAK ON THAT, UH, I DO KNOW OF TWO MEMBERS WHO WERE RECENTLY SET TO RETIRE THAT DECIDED TO STICK IT OUT FOR A FEW MORE YEARS AND UH, AND, AND GIVE BACK TO THE CITY AS MUCH AS THEY CAN IN THOSE LAST FEW YEARS.

AND THEN ALSO, I KNOW SOME YOUNGER OFFICERS WHO WERE PREPARED AND READY TO, UH, SWITCH TO ANOTHER AGENCY, NOT BECAUSE THEY DON'T LIKE THIS AGENCY, NOT BECAUSE THEY DON'T LIKE SERVING THE CITIZENS OF OKLAHOMA.

UH, BUT JUST BECAUSE OF, AGAIN, THE PAY AND BENEFITS DIFFERENCE WAS SO VAST.

UH, AND WITH THIS CONTRACT,

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I'M ASSUMING COUNCIL VOTES.

YES, THEY HAVE AGREED TO STAY.

SO, UH, MY MEMBERSHIP HAS OVERWHELMINGLY SUPPORTED IT.

WE ARE VERY, VERY HAPPY.

UM, AND AGAIN, KUDOS TO THE STAFF THAT YOU'VE HIRED.

THANK YOU.

THANKS VERY MUCH.

AND AGAIN, PASS ON OUR THANKS TO THE ENTIRE DEPARTMENT.

WE VERY MUCH RECOGNIZE THE LEVEL OF COMMITMENT OF SERVICE AND THE PROFESSIONALISM THAT YOUR UH, APARTMENT EXUDES ALL THE TIME.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ALL RIGHT.

THAT'S THAT NUMBER CARD, SIR.

NO MORE CARDS.

OKAY.

WOULD IT STILL BE LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THEN I'LL MOVE THAT WE APPROVE ALL CONSENT ITEMS MOVING THE SECOND PLEASE.

VOTE.

MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.

ALL RIGHT.

THAT

[ PUBLIC COMMENT: At this time, any person may address a matter within the jurisdiction of the City Council/Housing Authority/Successor Agency to the El Cajon Redevelopment Agency that is not on the Agenda. Comments relating to items on today’s docket are to be taken at the time the item is heard. State law prohibits discussion or action on items not on the Agenda; however, Council, Authority and Agency Members may briefly respond to statements or questions. An item may be placed on a future Agenda.]

BRINGS US TO PUBLIC COMMENT.

AT THIS TIME, ANY PERSON MAY ADDRESS OUR MATTER WITHIN THE JURISDICTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL HOUSING AUTHORITY SUCCESSOR AGENCY TO THE ALCOHOL REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY THAT DOES NOT ON THE AGENDA.

COMMENTS RELATED TO ITEMS ON TODAY'S AGENDA ARE TO BE TAKEN AT THE TIME THAT THE ANIMAS HEARD STATE LAW PROHIBITS DISCUSSION OR ACTION ON ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA.

HOWEVER, CITY COUNCIL AND HOUSING AUTHORITY MEMBERS MAY BRIEFLY RESPOND TO STATEMENTS OR QUESTIONS AND ITEM MAY BE PLACED ON A FUTURE AGENDA.

ANGELA, DO WE HAVE ANY CARDS UNDER PUBLIC COMMENT? WE HAVE TWO SPEAKERS.

THE FIRST ONE IS GEN CITY, GHANA.

HI JIM.

WELCOME.

THANK YOU MISS MAYOR.

COUNCIL STAFF.

JUST SORT OF QUICKLY A CALCIUM AND THE CLELAND.

THANK YOU AGAIN FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK LAST TYPE.

I'LL PROBABLY NEVER SEE THAT MUCH.

SPEAK TO HIM AGAIN BUT, BUT UH, AND UH, IN THAT VEIN I NOTICED THAT OH, ALSO A ITEM I DID GETS NUMBER 11 ABOUT THE DELINQUENT SEWER CHARGES, WHICH WERE BROUGHT UP LAST TIME AND I'M GOING TO FOLLOW UP AGAIN GETTING COPIES OF THAT AGAIN CAUSE MY OWN MOBILE HOME PARK WAS DELINQUENT OVER $11,000 AND UH, AS IT WAS BROUGHT FORTH BY COUNCILMAN GOBA LAST TIME, UH, WE PROBABLY WIND UP PAYING THE INTEREST ON THOSE LIENS FOR THOSE FINES.

UH, AND THEN AGAIN, THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE I JUST WANTED TO BRING UP AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE CHANCES ARE OF THIS, BUT THE, UH, IN FILLING A COUNCILMAN OR ORTIZ'S SEAT, UH, I NOTICED THEY MENTIONED ABOUT 400 700.

AGAIN, AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE ON THE WEBPAGE FORM 704 60 ON THE WEBPAGE.

IT SHOULD BE AVAILABLE TO ALL THE CITIZENS AND WITH THE COMING YEAR COMING UP, UH, AND THEN, UH, JUST, UH, COUNCILMAN ORTIZ, I SEND AN EMAIL TODAY REQUESTING TO MEET WITH YOU AND THANK YOU.

I HOPE YOU HAPPENS REAL SOON.

AND, AND I ENCOURAGE YOU ALL PUBLIC SPEAKERS, A FEW REALLY WANT TO FIND OUT ABOUT YOUR CITY COUNCIL, HIS STAFF, TAKE THE TIME TO MAKE AN APPOINTMENT WITH THEM BECAUSE YOU MAY COME AWAY WITH AGREEMENT OR NO AGREEMENT OR WHATEVER, BUT AT LEAST YOU'LL KNOW WHERE THEY STAND EXACTLY ON ISSUES THAT YOU ARE CONCERNED ABOUT AND IT'S VERY IMPORTANT, YOU KNOW, AND ALSO A COUNCILMAN OR T'S, I NOTICED THAT ON A ITEM NUMBER 21 IS GOING TO BE ADDRESSING THE CODE OF CONDUCT AND I'M HAPPY TO SEE THAT BEING ADDRESSED TODAY.

ALSO VERY IMPORTANT.

AND I THINK THAT'S ABOUT ALL I HAVE TO SAY RIGHT NOW.

AND UNLESS YOU HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FOR ME.

YES.

OH GOOD.

UM, HOW DO WE STAND ON THE MEDIATION? YEAH.

YES.

YOU ASKED THAT LAST TIME AND I TRIED TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF AN UPDATE, BUT I CAN GIVE YOU EVEN FURTHER UPDATE.

YEAH, YEAH.

WELL, LIKE I SAID, IN MY OPINION, THE CITY DIDN'T GET THEIR MONEY'S WORTH.

OKAY.

BECAUSE, AND UH, AND THEN AGAIN ADDRESSING THE CODE.

AND ONE LITTLE THING ABOUT FOR MOBILE HOME, FOR MY MOBILE HOME PARK ANYWAY, THIS PROCESS WAS THAT, UH, AT THE LAST MEETING IT WAS AGREED TO A 4% FROM 5% GO AHEAD.

YOU KNOW, THE COMPOUND, BUT THAT'S AN IMPROVEMENT.

BUT ONE THING THAT WASN'T AGREED TO AT THAT TIME, AND NOW IT'S BEING PRESSED UPON US, IS THEY'LL DO 4% BUT EVERYONE IS REQUIRED TO DO A NEW 20 YEAR LEASE, WHICH AS YOU KNOW, I DO NOT AGREE WITH.

I'VE, I'VE STUDIED THEM.

AND WHEN YOU STARTED THEM VERY WELL, IT REALLY DOESN'T, AND IT TAKES IT ALMOST AN ATTORNEY TO UNDERSTAND SOME OF THESE LEASES.

WHEN I FIRST MOVED INTO MY PARK, IT'S ABOUT FOUR PAGES.

NOW WE HAVE 20 PLUS PAGES AND THE AVERAGE PERSON DOESN'T UNDERSTAND THEM.

I MEAN, AND YOU REALLY LITERALLY HAVE TO GET SOME ADVICE.

GOOD ADVICE IF IT'S AVAILABLE.

AND

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I ALWAYS TELL THE PEOPLE, LIKE, I THINK I MENTIONED AT THE LAST MEETING, UH, EVERYTHING'S NEGOTIABLE AND THAT'S WHAT I ALWAYS TELL THEM WITH THE, THE OWNERS OR THE MANAGEMENT OF THESE PARKS.

AND I'LL CONTINUE, YOU KNOW, FIGHTING ABOUT THIS HERE.

BUT, UH, ACTUALLY, UH, COUNCILMAN MCCLELLAN, UH, BEING THAT I WAS A MEMBER OF THE SENIOR BOARD AT MY PARK, WHICH I'M NO LONGER, I'VE RESIGNED, UH, I WAS PUSHING, I WAS WANTING TO DO AN INITIATIVE, BUT BECAUSE BEING LOYAL TO MY BOARD, THEY WANTED TO TRY THIS RENT MEDIATION, WHICH, YOU KNOW, JUST LOOKING AT IT, I WASN'T REALLY HAPPY WITH IT, BUT WE WENT AHEAD ANYWAY.

AND I THINK SOMETIME IN THE FUTURE THAT'S WHAT I WOULD STILL LIKE TO DO, GET AN INITIATIVE AND HOPEFULLY GET THE FULL SUPPORT OF THE COUNCIL ABOUT AN INITIATIVE AND BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT IT TAKES, YOU KNOW, IT'S NUMBERS.

YOU NEED THAT SUPPORT.

YEAH.

COULD YOU GET YOUR, UM, MEMBERS OF THE PARK TO AGREE TO HAVE, SAY SOMEBODY GO OVER THAT 20 YEAR LEASE AND GIVE YOU SOME ADVICE ON IT? WELL, THERE YOU GO.

SOME OF US ARE, SOME OF US ARE TRYING TO GIVE ADVICE TO THE PEOPLE, BUT IT RIGHT NOW, UH, THE CURRENT BOARD, THEY'RE NOT KEEPING UP ON INFORMING THE PEOPLE, ONLY THE PEOPLE THAT WERE PART OF THE INITIAL FILING AND THAT THIS WAS BASED ON A MONTHLY WHEN THEY WOULD GET THEIR INCREASES.

UH, THERE'S ABOUT EIGHT OF THEM.

THEY'RE THE ONLY ONES SO FAR.

AND, UH, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT FALL INTO THIS HERE.

UH, JUST AS AN EXAMPLE, UH, BY LAW, YOU'RE REQUIRED TO RECEIVE YOUR YEARLY INCREASED COMPOUNDED INCREASE, UH, 90 DAYS BEFORE.

SO IF SOMEONE'S LEASE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GOING TO START THEIR NEW 5% SAY IN JULY, THEY WOULDN'T NECESSARILY BENEFIT FROM THE 4% RIGHT NOW ANYWAY, RIGHT.

PROBABLY STARTED NEXT YEAR.

RIGHT.

SO, UH, AND THEN, UH, PART OF WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO IS LET THE PEOPLE THAT WANT TO SIGN A BRAND NEW 20 YEAR LEASE IF THEY WISH ACCORDING TO THEIR AGE OR YOU KNOW, WHATEVER IT MAY BE, UH, GETTING THAT INFORMATION OUT TO THEM.

CAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE IN MY OWN PARK AREN'T EVEN AWARE OF THAT, YOU KNOW? AND UH, AND LIKE I SAID, THE MEDIATION ITSELF, WE WERE UNDER A LOT OF PRESSURE FINANCIALLY, TWO DAYS AND IT WAS SAID RIGHT THERE, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING TO COST YOU IF YOU HAD TO DO ANYTHING MORE MEDIATOR, YOU KNOW, THEN THAT WAS JUST THE FACT OF THE WHOLE PROCESS.

AND LIKE I SAID, THERE WAS SIX HOURS OF WASTED TIME THAT COSTS THE CITY MONEY.

YEAH.

UNFORTUNATELY.

YEAH.

AND QUITE EXPENSIVE BY THE WAY.

THESE MEDIATORS AND, AND IN THE FUTURE I WOULD HOPE THAT THEY WOULD USE SOME KIND OF MEDIATION IF IT HAPPENS AGAIN LOCALLY.

CAUSE WE DO HAVE MEDIATION SERVICES LOCALLY HERE INSTEAD OF, YOU KNOW, HOOK UP SACRAMENTO.

YEAH.

THANK YOU.

OKAY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THAT I MIGHT ANSWER AND THANKS AGAIN FOR THE TIME FOR LETTING ME SPEAK MORE ABOUT THIS HERE.

IT'S VERY MUCH APPRECIATED.

GOOD.

OKAY.

THANK YOU BONNIE.

PRICE AND BACK AGAIN.

UH, I WANT TO COMMEND THE COUNCIL FOR THEIR CHOICE OF COUNCILMAN PHIL ORTIZ.

EVEN THOUGH HE WAS NOT MY CANDIDATE, I WAS SUPPORTING A WOMAN.

WE STILL DON'T HAVE A WOMAN, BUT MR LOOKS LIKE A VERY CAPABLE PERSON.

I WAS IMPRESSED WITH THE WAY HE ANSWERED A VERY STRANGE QUESTION AND UM, JUST AS GENERAL BACKGROUND, SO I THINK YOU'VE MADE A GOOD CHOICE AND I WISH HIM WELL AND HIS WORK ON THE COUNCIL, HE HAS GOOD ASSIGNMENTS WHICH DID NOT, WERE NOT GIVEN TO HIS PREDECESSOR.

UH, I SEE THAT HE IS ON THE EAST COUNTY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COUNCIL AND THE UH, LEAGUE OF CITIES FOR SAN DIEGO THAT WILL REALLY INFORM HIM OF WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE EVENT.

HE DID NOT KNOW BEFOREHAND FROM HIS WORK ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

I ALSO WANT TO SAY THAT I CONTINUE MY SUPPORT FOR VILLA NUEVA.

UM, I AM AWARE THAT THERE IS ABOUT TO SOME LEGISLATION ON RENT CONTROL AND I THINK THAT THAT SHOULD BE A WARNING TO THOSE WHO OWN A MOBILE HOME PARKS THAT THEY SHOULD BE CONSIDERING CAPPING THEIR OWN RENTS.

AND UH, THIS MEDIATION

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PROCESS IS GOING ON VERY LONG AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE LOST THEIR RIGHT TO LIVE IN THE PARK SINCE THIS BEGAN.

I KNOW OF ONE, AT LEAST BECAUSE SHE CAME BEFORE THE COUNCIL AND SAID SO.

BUT, UH, WHEN I LOOK AT WHAT'S HAPPENING, IT'S THE RENTS ARE SO HIGH THAT SENIOR CITIZENS WHO ARE LIVING ON A FIXED INCOME, LOT OF THEM, WOMEN WHO NEVER EARNED WHAT THEY SHOULD HAVE EARNED OR NEVER WORKED AT A PAYING JOB, THEY DID ALL THE WORK FOR THE CHURCH AND BOY SCOUTS AND GIRL SCOUTS, ALL THAT VOLUNTEER WORK, THEY NEVER GOT A CENT OF SOCIAL SECURITY.

AND IF THEIR SPOUSE DIED, THEY ARE LEFT WITH VERY LITTLE TO LIVE ON.

SO I THINK IT'S IN THE CITY'S INTEREST TO PUT MORE EMPHASIS ON GETTING THIS MEDIATION RESOLVED.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

BYE.

NO MORE SPEAKER SIR.

OKAY.

THERE ARE NO WRITTEN COMMUNICATIONS ON TODAY'S AGENDA

[10. Delinquent Refuse Collection Charges RECOMMENDATION: That the City Council: Opens the Public Hearing and considers public testimony; Closes the Public Hearing; Adopts the next Resolutions, in order, confirming the list of property owners as delinquent in the payment of their mandatory trash service bills; and, Authorizes the City Clerk to record the amount owed as a lien on the property and forward a list to the County Tax Assessor for billing on the next property tax bill.]

AND WE ARE NOW AT PUBLIC HEARINGS.

I AM TENNIS.

WE'RE DOING CAN REFUSE CHARGES.

STAFF, WOULD YOU TELL US ABOUT THIS PLACE? CERTAINLY MAYOR, MEMBERS OF CITY COUNCIL, IT'S MY PLEASURE TO ADDRESS YOU THIS AFTERNOON WITH RESPECT TO DELINQUENT REFUSE CHARGES.

UH, THESE ARE TRASH PAYMENTS OR TRASH BILLS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN PAID BY THE PROPERTY OWNER.

UH, AS OF THE STAFF REPORT THAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU, THE AGENDA REPORT, WE HAVE 350 DELINQUENT REFUGE BILLS THAT HAD NOT BEEN PAID, TOTALING APPROXIMATELY $50,000.

SINCE THE TIME OF THE STAFF AGENDA REPORT, A 47 PEOPLE HAVE PAID LEAVING 303 REMAINING.

THIS IS A TOTAL $43,407 AND 2 CENTS.

AND JUST FOR YOUR INFORMATION, THE FRANCHISE FEE ON THAT IS $6,511 AND 5 CENTS.

WE'RE ASKING TODAY THAT YOU CONSIDER THIS TO BE ADDED TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS PROPERTY AS A LIEN AGAINST THE PROPERTY AND SUBSEQUENTLY SENT TO THE COUNTY TAX ASSESSOR TO BE ASSESSED ON THE NEXT PROPERTY TAX BILL AS THIS IS DUE ANNUALLY ON FIRST.

SO THIS'LL BE OUR LAST, UH, HEARING BEFORE THAT DATE WHEN IT IS DUE.

THANK YOU.

THANKS TURK.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR DIRK STEVE? I DO.

YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE'S A MISCONCEPTION THAT PEOPLE THINK IF IT GETS ADDED TO THEIR TAX BILL, IT BECOMES TAX DEDUCTIBLE.

AND THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE CASE IS IT? WELL, I'M NO TAX ATTORNEY, BUT, UH, I DO NOT THINK THAT THAT IS CLAIMABLE ALTHOUGH, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE'VE GOT A FORMER ASSESSOR'S OFFICE EXPERT RIGHT HERE.

PERSON DON'T WAIT.

DO YOU HAVE ANY KNOWLEDGE OF THAT? YOU'D HAVE TO PAY HIM THOUGH EXTRA? WELL, I'M NOT A TAX ATTORNEY EITHER, BUT MY UNDERST BUT I DO HAVE A MASTER'S DEGREE IN BUSINESS AND TOOK A LOT OF TAX CLASSES AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS IT DOESN'T BECOME TAX DEDUCTIBLE BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S ACTUALLY NOT A TAX, IT'S ACTUALLY A FEE.

AND IF YOU DON'T PAY IT AND IT GOES ON THE TAX BILL, THAT'S HOW THEY SECURE IT.

SO, UH, I CERTAINLY WOULDN'T ADVISE ANYBODY TO TAKE A DEDUCTION FOR THAT OR TO NOT PAY THEIR, THEIR SEWER BILL OR THEIR TRASH BILL CAUSE THEY THINK, UH, THEY'RE GONNA GET AWAY WITH NOT PAYING TAXES ON THE AMOUNT CORD.

THERE'S SOME TAX PEOPLE I'VE DEALT WITH.

THEY SAY IT'S DUI DEDUCTIBLE UNTIL AUDITED, YOU KNOW, SO, UH, I, MY UNDERSTANDING IN MY TIME OF DAY SAYS HIS OFFICE, IT IS, IT WOULD NOT BE DEDUCTIBLE, BUT AGAIN, TALK TO YOUR TAX PERSON.

SO MY SUGGESTION TO HIS STAFF IS WHEN YOU SEND A LETTER INDICATING THAT THE LINK WOULD SEE, YOU MIGHT FIND OUT IF THIS IS TRUE, BECAUSE IF THIS, THESE PEOPLE ARE INTENTIONALLY HOLDING OFF, THEY CAN GO TO GET A TAX DEDUCTION AND YOU TELL THEM THEY'RE NOT.

MAYBE WE WON'T HAVE AS MANY DELINQUENCIES OR FOUGHT FOR CONSIDERATION.

THANK YOU STEVE.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY, THEN, UM, THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN.

ANGELA, DO YOU HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS ON THIS ITEM? WE HAVE NO SPEAKER, SIR.

THEN I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING BOOED SECTION PLEASE.

VOTE MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.

ALL RIGHT, WITH SOMEBODY LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, THEN I MOVE THAT WE ACCEPT THE, UH, NEXT RESOLUTION

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ORDER AND AUTHORIZE THE CITY CLERK TO RECORD THE AMOUNT OWN AS A LIEN OR SECOND MOVE.

THE SECOND IT PLEASE VOTE.

MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.

THANK YOU.

CONTINUING WITH PUBLIC HEARINGS, ITEM 11 IS FOR DELINQUENTS.

HELLO.

I SEE A SIGN OUT THERE ON THE , THE SANDAG STAFF.

UM, WE COULD PROBABLY PUT THIS ONE OFF AND SO WE, WE HAD YOU UP HERE.

WHY DON'T YOU, WHY DON'T WE, LET ME GET BACK TO THIS.

WHAT ITEM IS THAT? IS IT A ITEM

[15. Proposed SANDAG Changes to the Regional Funding Priorities of the San Diego County Transportation Sales Tax (TransNet) RECOMMENDATION: That the City Council receives a presentation from SANDAG regarding “the SANDAG Big Vision and 5 Big Moves for the 2021 Regional Plan Update,” discuss proposed shift of SANDAG TransNet funds from road projects to transit projects, and consider a letter opposing SANDAG’s proposed shifting of funds from existing highway and road projects.]

15 ITEM 15 IS A PRESENTATION FROM SAN DIEGO REGARDING REGIONAL PLAN UPDATES.

I'D LIKE TO INVITE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, MR SONNER TO INTRODUCE HIS COLLEAGUES AND TO SHARE THIS PRESENTATION WITH US.

THANK YOU HASSAN FOR COMING.

THANK YOU MAYOR.

COUNCIL NUMBER A CITY MANAGER.

THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.

IT'S GOOD TO BE BACK IN THIS CHAMBER.

I WAS HERE WHEN YOUR LAST CITY MANAGER RETIRED AND IT'S GOOD TO BE BACK.

AND I WANT TO THANK YOU MAYOR WALLS FOR YOUR SERVICE AT SANDAG TOO.

THANK YOU SIR.

UH, YOU'VE PROBABLY BEEN HEARING IN THE NEWS ABOUT, UH, SANDAG AND ITS EFFORT TO, UH, UPDATE, UH, THE REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION PLAN.

AND I'M HERE TO PRESENT TO YOU.

UM, IT'S OUR THINKING AT THIS TIME VERY EARLY IN THE PROCESS, JUST TWO MONTHS INTO IT, NO DETAIL, BUT TO CLARIFY A FEW THINGS.

UH, YOU MIGHT HAVE A HEAR CONFLICTING REPORTS ABOUT, UH, AS, AS MAYOR WOLVES WOULD KNOW THAT THE SANDAG BOARD TOOK NO ACTION TO TRANSFER ANY MONEY FROM ANY MORE TO ANOTHER.

UH, AS THE MAYOR WILL ALSO KNOW THAT, UH, UH, SANDAG BOARD HAVE NOT TAKEN ACTION AND PRIOR AUTHORIZING THE PROJECT AS WE SPEAK.

UH, SO THIS, THIS PROCESS IS IN THE BEGINNING.

UH, VERY, A LOT OF DETAILS ARE NOT THERE.

UM, IN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS WE WILL PUT MORE DETAIL AND WE'LL BE HAPPY TO COME BACK TO THIS CHAMBER TO PRESENT ON THE REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION PLAN.

UM, MANY OF YOU KNOW THAT SANDAG HAS DELIVERED, UM, GREAT PROJECTS AND IT'S STILL DELIVERING PROJECTS IN THE PAST.

THIS IS THE MID COAST THAT GOES, THE TROLLEY THAT GOES TO THE UNIVERSITY, UH, WILL BE OPEN, UH, LATE 2021, ALMOST HALFWAY THERE.

SO THE QUESTION IS, WHAT KIND OF REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION PLAN IS SUITED FOR THIS REGION MOVING FORWARD? HOW, HOW WOULD THE TECHNOLOGY IMPACT TRANSPORTATION? AND I THINK YOU WOULD AGREE THAT TECHNOLOGY IS GOING TO IMPACT THE FUTURE A GREAT DEAL.

IT'S ALREADY IMPACTING THE FUTURE, WHETHER IT'S A DELIVERY OF PACKAGES THROUGH DRONES OR A AUTONOMOUS SHUTTLES OR AUTONOMOUS CARS.

THE SCOOTERS, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'LL HAVE THEM IN THE CITY HERE, BUT THEY'RE EVERYWHERE IN DOWNTOWN SAN DIEGO.

UM, SO THESE ARE, UH, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THE RESULT OF TECHNOLOGY DISRUPTING THE WAY WE DO THINGS.

AND NOW WHAT REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION PLAN HAVE TO ANSWER, ANTICIPATE THOSE TECHNOLOGIES.

I THINK YOU WOULD AGREE.

NO ONE WANTS TO BE IN CONGESTION.

UH, I DON'T WANT OUR REGION TO SUFFER THROUGH CONGESTION AND CONTRARY TO WHAT YOU'RE HEARING OUT THERE, THIS PLAN IS ALL ABOUT TRANSIT.

IT, IT IS VERY TRUE THAT IT'S TRANSIT HEAVY AND IT, IT PROPOSE A, A STATE OF THE ART TRANSIT PARTS.

IT IS A BALANCED PLAN.

IT'S A PLAN THAT'S GOING TO BUILD THE STATE OF THE OUR TRANSIT SYSTEM, BUT ALSO ADD CAPACITY TO THE HIGHWAY SYSTEM EVERYWHERE IN THE COUNTY AND AS THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF SANDAG, I CAN TELL YOU THAT EVERY PART OF THIS COUNT IS IMPORTANT TO ME IS NORTH SOUTH AND I NEVER LOOKED AT ANY PART SAYS, WELL, LET ME DO THIS THAN THAT.

WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS PLAN FOR EVERY PART OF THE SAN DIEGO COUNTY FOR THE FUTURE.

ONE THING TO REMIND ALL OF US IS THIS PLAN HAS TO MEET VERY SPECIFIC STATE LAWS, 19% PER CAPITA REDUCTION OF GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS BY 2035.

NOW, PEOPLE WOULD SAY RIGHTLY SO.

YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO ALL DRIVE A CLEANER CARS, ELECTRIC AND HYBRID.

AND THAT'S TRUE.

AND I HOPE WE DO, AND I THINK WE WILL, BUT I WANT TO REMIND YOU THAT THE STATE LAW VERY CLEARLY SAID THE 19% IS ON TOP OF THAT FLEET MIX.

SO THE STATE WILL TAKE CREDIT FOR ALL THE ELECTRIC AND HYBRID AND WE NEED TO MEET THE 19% PER CAPITA REDUCTION ON TOP OF THAT.

SO WHEN I TELL MY BOARD THAT WE NEED TO MEET THIS LAW, I REALLY DO MEAN WE NEED TO MEET IT.

EVEN

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IF, IF WE ALL DROVE ELECTRIC CARS, UH, I, I, YOU KNOW, I, IT'S, IT'S THE LAW OF THE LAND AND, AND AS YOUR METROPOLITAN PLANNING ORGANIZATION, UM, I CAN PROPOSE TO THE BOARD ANY PLAN THAT DOES NOT MEET THE LAW AND THE REASONS ARE SIMPLE.

IF WE DO MEET THE LAW, WE WILL, UH, NOT BE ABLE TO BUILD ANY PROJECT OF ANY KIND REGARDLESS OF THE FUNDING SOURCE.

NUMBER TWO AND A MUSLIM VERY IMPORTANT.

WE TEND TO LOSE AS A REGION, TENS OF BILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF STATE AND FEDERAL FUNDING.

SO A, AN IMPORTANT RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR METROPOLITAN PLANNING ORGANIZATION.

SANDAG IN THIS CASE TO PUT A PLAN FORWARD THAT MEETS THE GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSION REDUCTION.

SO WE UH, OUR TEAM WENT TO WORK AND UH, WE ARE WORKING ON A BOLD NEW VISION.

UH, THIS IS A PICTURE MODELED AFTER THE NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC CLASS ADDITIONS, TALKING ABOUT CITIES.

THE WHITE SPOT IS A POTENTIAL GRAND CENTRAL STATION BY THE AIRPORT.

UH, AND UH, HOPING THAT WE'D BE ABLE TO BUILD MOBILITY HUBS EVERYWHERE IN THE REGION.

ONE OF THEM WILL BE GOING ON CENTRAL PARTS, MANY OF THEM WILL BE IN THE EAST COUNTY.

WE DIDN'T ARRIVE WITH THE PROPOSED PLAN.

LIKELY I THINK FAIREST JUST FEW THINGS WERE 3.3 MILLION PEOPLE.

WE'RE THE NATION'S FIFTH MOST POPULOUS COUNTY.

UH, IF THEY CAN, AS A STATE, WE WILL BE THE 26TH LARGEST ECONOMY IN THE STATE.

IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

SO WE'RE, WE'RE A BIG AND LARGE LEGION AND ECONOMICALLY SIGNIFICANT REGION.

THIS MAP SHOWS WHERE PEOPLE LIVE AND THE DARKER THE COLOR, THE MORE PEOPLE LIVE THERE.

AND YOU COULD SAY THAT WE, WE LIVE IN A VERY, YES, IT'S SPREAD OUT REGION BUT STILL DENSE REGION.

THIS MAP SHOWS WHERE WE WORK.

AND AGAIN, YOU COULD SEE VERY DISTINCT EMPLOYMENT CENTERS.

YOU COULD SEE A THAT IT IS THE LARGEST CENTERS, THE SAN DIEGO, COLONEL, MESA AND AND SORENTO VALLEY.

THESE ARE CENTERS WITH OVER 25 AND IN SOME CASES 50,000 EMPLOYEES.

BUT YOU COULD SEE THAT AS A DISTINCT EMPLOYMENT CENTER AND YOU'VE PUT THEM AGAINST EACH OTHER.

YOU SEE WHERE PEOPLE LIVE AND WORK.

SO WHEN THAT IN MIND WE SAID, OKAY, SO HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE DESIGN A SYSTEM THAT OFFER CHOICES? THE HIGHWAY OBVIOUSLY IS THE MAJORITY CHOICE AND WE NEED ANOTHER CHOICE TO RELIEVE THE HIGHWAY OF CONGESTION.

THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF WHERE IF YOU TAKE THE GREEN, THE GREEN HERE BEING THE SORENTO VALUE EMPLOYMENT CENTER AND THE DOTS IS WHERE PEOPLE COME TO THAT CENTER TO WORK.

AND YOU SEE THEY'RE COME FROM EVERYWHERE IN THE COUNTY, BUT SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF THEM COME FROM A VERY CLOSE AREA TO SORENTO VALLEY.

SO PEOPLE TELL ME, HOW ARE YOU GOING TO BUILD A TRANSIT SYSTEM TO GET ALL THESE PEOPLE, ALL THESE DOTS TO THE CENTER? I'M NOT, NOR SHOULD I, BUT IF I BUILD THE SYSTEM TO GET THE DARKEST AND MOST POPULOUS AREAS, THEN I, I RELIEVED THE HIGHWAY BY FIVE TO 10% THE SAME EXAMPLE BATHE NOW PRETTY MUCH TRANSIT IS NONEXISTENT IN OUR COUNTY, IN OUR COUNTY.

ALL BEER TRANSIT TRIP IS A ONE AND A HALF PERCENT, 98.5% OF US DRIVE.

THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF WHERE IF YOU WANT TO GO TO SORENTO VALLEY, YOU COULD REACH ALL OF THAT AREA WITHIN 15 MINUTES OF DRIVING THE MAP ONES, RIGHT? THIS IS HOW YOU DO IN TRANSIT.

THERE IS NO COVERAGE, THERE IS NO TRANSIT RELIABLE THAT TO GET THERE.

THAT'S WHY NOT MANY PEOPLE TAKING IT.

SO WHEN WE LOOKED AT WHERE PEOPLE LIVE, WHERE PEOPLE WORK, THE THE, THE DENSITY AND THE RATE AND LOOKING AT THE COUNTRY OF GROWTH, WE FORM A FOUNDATION FOR OUR VISION, THE FIGURE EIGHT.

THAT'S WHERE PEOPLE AND AND LIVE AND WORK AND THAT'S WHERE OUR FREEWAY SYSTEM AND OUR FUTURE TRANSIT SYSTEM WOULD BE.

SO WE DEVELOPED OUR VISION, WHAT WE CALL THE FIVE BIG MOVES, FAIREST COMPLETE CARRIERS.

SECOND IS TRANSIT LEAP, THIRD IS MOBILITY HUB.

FOURTH IS FLEXIBLE FLEETS AND LAST IS THE NEXT OPERATING SYSTEM.

THESE FIVE BIG MOVES ARE ALL IMPORTANT.

THAT'S WHY WE BELIEVE OUR PLAN WILL BE A

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BALANCED PLAN.

WHAT DO WE MEAN BY COMPLETE CHARACTER? RIGHT NOW WE HAVE ACTUALLY A COMPLETE SKELETON IN SAN DIEGO COUNTY.

THIS IS NOT THE PICTURE, BUT THE ONE WE HAVE RIGHT NOW IS THE I FIVE.

WE'RE BUILDING A A MANAGED LANE ON THE FREEWAY WITH DOUBLE TRACKING THE COSTER AND THE LAUSANNE CARRY DOOR AND WE'RE BUILDING ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS ON THE SIDE AND WE'RE RESTORING SOME ENVIRONMENTAL HABITAT.

WE'RE DOING THAT AT THE SAME TIME.

WE CLEAR THAT WE ARE AN EXAMPLE IN THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA IN THE COUNTRY.

HOW COULD YOU CLEAR A CHARACTER, NOT JUST A FREEWAY OR A RAIL LINE.

BY THE TIME WE'RE DONE WITH THAT CHARACTER, THE FIVEFOLD HAVE A MANAGED LANE SYSTEM.

THE IT WILL BE A HUNDRED PERCENT DOUBLE TRACK OF THE LOSS AND CREDITOR WHICH ALLOW US TO RUN, TRAIN EVERY FIVE TO 10 MINUTES IF WE CHOOSE TO.

WE WILL HAVE MANY MILES OF ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION, COMPLETE CREDITORS WORK, AND WE WOULD LIKE TO COPY THE COMPLETE CALENDAR IDEA FROM THE FIVE AND EVERYONE IN THE COUNTY, THE 52 THE EIGHT THE 78 THE EIGHT OR FIVE THE 15 NOW YOU HEARD ME SAY IN THE PAST THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO ADD JUST FREEWAYS.

I CAN GUARANTEE YOU, AT LEAST IN MY LIFETIME, THERE WON'T BE ANOTHER FREEWAY BUILT IN SOUTH IN CALIFORNIA OR IN CALIFORNIA, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO ADD CAPACITY TO THE SYSTEM.

THERE IS MANY WAYS TO ADD CAPACITIES THROUGH THE COMPLETE CHARACTER.

WE NEED TO DEPLOY TECHNOLOGY CONNECTED VEHICLE TECHNOLOGY TODAY.

I COULD ADD IF W IF THE TECHNOLOGY IS THERE, IF THE CAR MANUFACTURERS TO PRODUCE IT AND PEOPLE TO BUY IT, YOU COULD ADD 30% TO THE FUEL SYSTEM CAPACITY TODAY WITH THAT TECHNOLOGY WITHOUT POURING MUCH CONCRETE AND THAT WHERE THE COMPLETE CHARACTER ID IS GOING TO COME.

SO THE FIRST OF OUR FIVE BIG MOVES ARE THE COMPLETE CREDITOR.

THE SECOND IS TRANSIT SLEEP.

AS I INDICATED EARLIER, TRANSIT IS NOT AN EXISTENCE REGIONS AROUND US.

THIS IS A, THE TUNNEL IN ARE INVESTING HEAVILY.

SEATTLE IS A SIMILAR SIZE TO US, A LITTLE BIT BIGGER, 3.6 MILLION IN 2016 THE WATER SAYS BUILD US AN ALTERNATIVE HERE IS $54 BILLION TO DO IT.

THE THIRD OF THE FIVE BIG MOVES, WHAT WE CALL THE MOBILITY HUBS.

WHEN THERE IS TRANSPORTATION SYSTEMS, HIGHWAYS AND TRANSIT.

THE MEETING AN AREA, YOU SHOULD MAKE IT A TRANSIT HUB AT TRANSPORTATION HUB.

YOU SHOULD MAKE IT A PLACE WHERE YOU BUILD MIXED LAND USE DEVELOPMENT WHERE PEOPLE IF THEY CHOOSE TO, THEY COULD LIVE AND WORK OR GO SHOPPING.

THESE ARE TRANSPORTATION HUBS.

WE IDENTIFIED ABOUT 12 TO 15 IN THE REGION.

SOME OF THEM HERE IN, IN, IN ALL CALVIN.

THE DETAIL OF THIS IS YET TO MARRIAGE, BUT THE TRANSPORTATION HUBS IS A PLACE WHERE TRANSPORTATION NETWORKS MEET AND BECOME A PLACE FOR POTENTIAL GROWTH.

THE FOURTH OF THE FIVE BIG MOVES IS WHAT'S CALLED THE FLEXIBLE FLEETS.

IN MANY AREAS IN THE EAST COUNT, IN THE NORTH COUNTY, WE'RE SPREAD OUT SO THERE ISN'T A WAY TO PROVIDE TRANSIT LINES TO EVERY HOUSEHOLD, BUT TECHNOLOGY EXISTS TODAY WITH WHAT WE'VE CALL THE FLEXIBLE FLEET TO DO SOME OF THAT, TO DO THREE TO FIVE MILE RADIUS OF COMMUTING AND THAT TECHNOLOGY IS HERE.

I THINK SAN DIEGO WILL BE THE FIRST PLACE IN THE COUNTRY TO TRY AUTONOMOUS AUTONOMOUS VEHICLES.

AND THE LAST OF THE FIVE BIG MOVE IS WHAT WE CALL THE OPERATING SYSTEM, THE BRAIN, THE COMMUNICATION BETWEEN THE DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE SYSTEM, THE ABILITY FOR ANY OF US IN SAN DIEGO COUNTY TO USE AN APP TO ALLOW US TO GET AROUND WITH OUR CHOICE DRIVE, TAKE THE TRANSIT BY WALK.

THESE FIVE BIG MOVES WILL FORM OUR REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION PLAN.

HERE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS WE'RE THINKING ABOUT WHEN IT COMES TO COMPLETE CARRIERS AND TRANSIT.

WE HAVE LOOKING AT AT PROPOSING TO BUILD COMMUTER RAIL SYSTEM THAT GOES AT THE SPEED OF 90 TO 110 MILES PER HOUR, LIKE OUR NEIGHBORS IN LOS ANGELES TO THE NORTH DEAD.

AND TO MAKE THE HIGHWAY SYSTEM COMPLETE CHARACTER,

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YOU HAVE TO HAVE AN ALTERNATIVE.

NOW PEOPLE SAY, WELL PEOPLE DON'T TAKE TRANSIT TODAY.

IT'S TRUE.

BUT IF WE BUILD THE TRY IT, IF IT'S CONVENIENT, IT'S FAST ENOUGH, IT'S FREQUENT ENOUGH, IT'S SAFE.

PEOPLE MIND.

AND BY THE WAY, WE ARE NOT SAYING THAT EVERYBODY IS GOING TO LIVE THEIR CAR IN THE GARAGE.

IF 10% OF US TOOK TRANSIT AND 90% TO GROW, WE WILL HAVE MORE CAPACITY IN THE HIGHWAY SYSTEM AND WE WILL HAVE HUNDRED YEAR CAPACITY BECAUSE MOST CONGESTION IS CAUSED BY THE LIES 5% OF THE VEHICLE ENTERING THE SYSTEM.

AND THAT'S WHAT I SPOKE EARLIER ABOUT THE FIGURE EIGHT.

SO DID WE JUST SHOW ONE EXAMPLE? SO THE 70TH CURRY DOORS, IF YOU LOOK AT THOSE GREEN SPOTS THERE, THIS IS WHERE PEOPLE WORK.

AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE BLUE DOTS, THIS IS WHERE PEOPLE COME FROM.

50% OF THE PEOPLE ON THAT CARRY DOOR ARE LIVING WITHIN THIS CIRCLE THAT WORK IN THOSE GREEN SPOTS, 50%, HALF.

AND SO RIGHT NOW IF YOU LOOK AT THE WHAT'S THERE, THERE IS THE 78 AND THE TRANSNET PROGRAM HAS ONE LANE EACH DIRECTION ON THE 78 TO MANAGE LANE.

IF I DO THAT, GIVING THE LEVEL OF AMOUNT OF PEOPLE WORKING IN THE 70TH, I MIGHT FEEL GOOD FOR A FEW MONTHS.

BUT THEN I'M BACK TO WHERE I'M STARTED AND INSTEAD IN OUR THINKING IS COMMUTER RAIL SYSTEMS THAT WORK, ADD THE MOBILITY HUB, ADD THE OPERATING SYSTEM AND AT THE END OF THE DAY YOU GET A COMPLETE CALENDAR IN THE 70TH AS OPPOSED TO ONE LANE EACH DIRECTION OF THE FREEWAY.

THIS IS JUST AN EXAMPLE THAT'S GOING TO BE FOLLOWED THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY.

AND WITH THAT MAYOR, UH, I'LL, I'LL BE HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

UM, FOUR WE GO.

GO AHEAD AND GO TO QUESTIONS.

COUNSEL.

COUNSEL.

SORRY BOB.

YES.

ACCORDING TO YOUR OWN INFORMATION, YOU SAY ONE AND A HALF PERCENT OF THE PEOPLE, RIGHT? MASS TRANSIT.

DO YOU THINK THIS IS GONNA MAKE A BIG IMPROVEMENT? BECAUSE PEOPLE, PEOPLE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO TAKE THREE OR FOUR DIFFERENT MODES OF TRANSPORTATION TO MOVE FROM ONE PLACE A TO PLACE B AND THEY AREN'T GOING TO TAKE THAT MUCH TIME.

THEY'RE STILL GOING TO BE IN THEIR CARS.

I THINK YOU'RE SPIN SMOKING SOMETHING.

IT'S SHOWING YOU THE WRONG INFORMATION IN ORDER TO THINK THAT YOU'RE GOING TO GET PEOPLE OUT OF YOUR CARS AND GOING TO BE RIDING TRANCE AND EVERYWHERE.

I'M ON THE TRANSIT BOARD, BUT UH, I KNOW THAT THEY DON'T RIDE.

AND WE JUST HAD A DECREASE IN TRANSIT RIDERS BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT, UH, MORE PEOPLE ARE WORKING NOW THEY'RE BUYING CARS AND THEY'RE GOING TO WORK.

BUT WHEN PEOPLE, THIS COUNTY IS SPREAD OUT THE WAY IT IS.

SO ONE OF THE LARGEST COUNTRIES IN THE WORLD, IN THE UNITED STATES COUNTIES.

AND WHEN YOU HAVE PEOPLE SPREAD ALL OVER THE COUNTY AND THEY'RE GOING TO WORK, THEY AREN'T GOING TO TAKE THREE OR FOUR DIFFERENT MODES OF TRANSPORTATION, MASS TRANSIT TO GET THERE AND UH, THE COSTS ARE GOING UP FOR THEM BECAUSE EVERY TIME YOU GET ON A DIFFERENT BUS OR A DIFFERENT TROLLEY, YOU HAVE TO BUY ANOTHER TICKET UNLESS YOU BUY A DAY PASS.

AND, UM, THEY JUST AREN'T GOING TO TAKE THE TIME.

MIGHT TAKE THREE HOURS TO GET TO WORK WHERE THEY CAN DRIVE THERE AND HALF HOUR, 45 MINUTES.

SO I THINK YOU, YOU'RE SMOKING THE WRONG STUFF AND YOU NEED TO GET MORE MONEY SPENT ON HIGHWAYS AND ROADS AND NOT SO MUCH ON TRY IT AND SIT AND KEEP THE PROMISES THAT WERE MADE IN THAT PROPOSITION THAT WE VOTED FOR OR ELSE YOU'RE LYING TO US.

THANK YOU, MR NARCOTIC.

GOOD AFTERNOON.

THANK YOU SIR.

I AM MAYOR WALLS IS ALTERNATE ON SANDAG WE HAVEN'T SPOKEN BUT NICE TO SEE YOU.

THANKS FOR COMING HERE.

UM, SERIES 13 FORECASTS.

IT'S CALLED THE 20, 50 REGIONAL GROWTH FORECAST IS A SANDAG DOCUMENT.

YOU MIGHT BE FAMILIAR WITH.

TALKS ABOUT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A MILLION MORE PEOPLE IN THE REGION BY 2050, UH, AND APPROXIMATELY 330,000 MORE HOUSING UNITS IN THE COUNTY IS SANDAG PROJECTION BY 2050 HALF OF THAT DOWN IN THE CITY OF SAN DIEGO.

SO I AGREE WITH YOU.

WHERE WE AGREE IS I THINK WE DO NEED A MORE ROBUST PUBLIC TRANSIT SYSTEM.

THERE'S NO WAY WE CAN FIT ANOTHER 500,000 CARS ON OUR CURRENT SYSTEM.

IT'S JUST, I DON'T THINK WE CAN DO IT IN THE NEXT 50 YEARS.

I AGREE.

A ROBUST PUBLIC TRANSIT SYSTEM, UH, IS NEEDED IN THE NEXT AS WE LOOK AHEAD.

UH, AND FOR GREENHOUSE GAS REASONS, AS YOU MENTIONED, WE HAVE STATE MANDATES, SO I'M GOING TO SAY WE AGREE THERE, UM, WHERE I'M CONCERNED IS WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT CAPACITY, ARE YOU STILL A BELIEVER IN CONGESTION PRICING? OKAY, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

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UH, AND I, AND I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS TO THINGS AND TO THE PREVIOUS STATEMENT BY COUNSEL AND MCALLEN.

I NEVER EXPECTED THAT EVERY SINGLE ONE IN THE COUNTY WILL TAKE TRANSIT.

WHAT I'M SAYING IS IF WE BUILD TRANSIT TO THE RIGHT PLACES, AND BY THE WAY, IF IT DOES, IF IT'S NOT MORE CONVENIENT THAN THE CAR, NOBODY'S GOING TO TAKE IT ANYWAY.

SO I'M SAYING MAKE IT AS CONVENIENT AS THE CAR WHEN YOU CAN AND EXPECT 10% THAT'S NOT TOO MUCH BECAUSE PEOPLE AROUND US EXPECTED KNOW YOUR CONGESTION PRICING QUESTION.

I THINK RIGHT NOW IF WE DO ANY CONGESTION PRICING, WE'LL BE PENALIZING PEOPLE BECAUSE THERE IS NO OTHER CHOICE EXCEPT DRIVING.

SO I WOULD NOT IN ANY SHAPE OR FORM RECOMMEND TO THE BOARD THAT DO ANY CONGESTION PRICING.

BUT IF, IF WE HAVE A SYSTEM WHERE THERE IS OPTIONS AND VIABLE OPTIONS, NOT ONE OPTION TAKING THREE HOUR AND ONE TAKING 30 MINUTES, TWO OPTIONS, I THINK YOU SHOULD, THE REGION SHOULD LOOK AT CONGESTION PRICING, BUT RIGHT NOW I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND IT IN ANY SHAPE OR FORM BECAUSE RIGHT NOW MOST OF US HAVE ONE MORE, LET ME GIVE YOU MY CONCERN ON CONGESTION PRICING AND IT HAS TO DO WITH COMMERCE.

WHEN WE TALK ABOUT A MILLION MORE PEOPLE IN THE COUNTY IN THE NEXT 30 YEARS, THEY'RE GOING TO NEED FOOD.

THEY'RE GOING TO NEED CLOTHING, GORDON, THE DISCRETIONARY INCOME, AND THOSE THINGS GET TO PEOPLE BY TRUCKS ON THE FREEWAY.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET BRED BY A BUS.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET TOMATOES BY A TROLLEY.

THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO ON A TRUCK.

AND UNLESS WE INCREASE CAPACITY, UH, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE TRUCKS STUCK IN TRAFFIC.

AND TIME IS MONEY WHEN IT COMES TO THESE TRUCKERS BECAUSE THEY CAN ONLY BE ON THE ROAD SO MANY HOURS A DAY AND THEY GET PAID PER MILE.

BEAR WITH ME A SECOND.

UH, SO I'M CONCERNED ABOUT CONGESTION PRICING BECAUSE IF THAT'S CHARGED TO THE TRUCKS, THAT'S GOING TO BE PASSED ON TO CONSUMERS.

SURE.

AND YOU'RE SAYING TO ONE PERSON, WE WANT YOU TO RIDE PUBLIC TRANSIT, BUT WE'RE KIND OF STILL GET SHUT FOR CONGESTION PRICING AND THE COST OF THE GOODS THAT YOU PAY IN THE TRUCKS TO GET TO YOU.

SO THAT'S A CONCERN THAT I HAVE IN THAT AREA.

I UNDERSTAND INDUCED DEMAND AND ADDING AN EXTRA IN ANY, WE'LL PROBABLY JUST FILL UP THE LANE, BUT I THINK WE NEED EXTRA LANES FOR DIFFERENT REASON.

AND IT'S BEEN TALKED ABOUT IN THE NEWS QUITE A BIT.

AND THAT'S PUBLIC SAFETY.

I KNOW YOU'RE UH, UH, CONCERNED ABOUT THE SUPERVISORS, BOARD OF SUPERVISORS RESPONSE TO PUBLIC SAFETY.

UH, I THINK YOUR CON, IF THE REPORTS ARE CORRECT, YOU'VE HAVE FELT THAT THEY'VE DONE ZERO, ZILCH, NADA.

TO ADDRESS THE FIRE SITUATION IN THE PAST OF THE 67.

THAT'S WHAT I MEANT.

THEY'D DONE NOTHING TO THE 67 CAPACITY FOR 15 YEARS.

UH, WELL LET ME READ THE QUOTE THEN.

THE FIRES HAPPENED IN 2003 IN 2007.

WHAT HAVE THEY DONE ABOUT IT? IF IT IS SUCH A CRITICAL ISSUE, WHERE ARE THE SUPERVISORS? WE NEED TO FIX IT, BUT DOES IT TAKE 13 YEARS, 1516 YEARS? WE NEED TO ELECT LEADERS TO FIX THINGS AND IT SHOULDN'T TAKE 15 YEARS TO FIX A CRITICAL ISSUE.

ARE YOU SPEAKING ABOUT THE FIRE SERVICE FOR THE COUNTY OR NO? NO, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE 67.

I'M NOT THE FAT EXPERT.

I'M TALKING WHAT THEY WERE TALKING TO THE PRESS CONFERENCES ABOUT ADDING CAPACITY TO THE 67 AND MY QUESTION IS STILL MY QUESTION.

FOR 15 YEARS WE HAD THE SAME ISSUE SINCE THE FIRES WE SHOULD HAVE ADDED CAPACITY TO THE 67 FOR SAFETY REASON.

I STILL TELL YOU TODAY IT WILL BE A PRIORITY OF MINE TO MAKE SURE THE 67 FOR SAFETY REASON CAPACITY SHOULD BE ADDED.

I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE ACTUAL FAMILY.

I THINK THE CONTENT PROBABLY DID A GREAT DEAL OF WORK, BUT WHEN IT COMES TO THE WHOLE CONFERENCE IS ABOUT 67 CAPACITY.

WE HAVE DONE NOTHING TO THE 67 FOR 15 YEARS.

OKAY.

WELL I'M PLEASED TO HEAR THAT YOU'RE IN SUPPORT OF ABSOLUTELY HAVE A ADDING CAPACITY OF 67 FOR PUBLIC SAFETY.

THAT'S GOOD TO KNOW.

ANOTHER REASON FOR FOR PUBLIC SAFETY IS NOT JUST ABOUT WILDFIRES.

WILDFIRES ARE AN ISSUE IN THE EAST COUNTY AND THE INLAND NORTH COUNTY, BUT IT'S ALSO A PUBLIC SAFETY IS AN ISSUE FOR URBAN AREAS INCLUDING SAN DIEGO, WHICH IS NOT OFTEN TALKED ABOUT A YEAR AGO, MARCH A BROKE A REGIONAL TRUNK LINE OF NATURAL GAS.

AT THE ONE 63 FIRES ROAD INTERCHANGE.

IT WAS A CATASTROPHIC EVENT.

IN FACT, IT RESULTED IN A MANDATORY EVACUATION IF EVERYBODY WITHIN A HALF A MILE OF THAT REGION.

MY OFFICE HAPPENS TO BE IN THAT, THAT HALF A MILE.

AND WE WERE SENT HOME A 17 MINUTE DRIVE, TOOK ME OVER AN HOUR AND A HALF TO GET HOME.

AND I, IT WAS A GRIDLOCK.

IT WAS, IT WAS INCREDIBLE.

SO IN ORDER TO EXPEDITE EVACUATION, EVEN FROM URBAN AREAS, ANOTHER LANE ON THE 52 SURE WOULD HAVE BEEN GREAT.

UH, THAT WOULD HELP EXPEDITE PEOPLE OUT.

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NOT ONLY THAT, BUT IF EMERGENCY RESPONSE NEEDS TO GET IN, IT WAS GRIDLOCK.

I HOPE NOBODY HAD A HEART ATTACK NEEDING PARAMEDIC RESPONSE WHEN PEOPLE COULDN'T GET IN.

SO I WANT TO STRESS FOR YOU THE IMPORTANCE OF, OF EXTRA FREEWAY LANES IS FOR PUBLIC SAFETY OF EVACUATION, NOT JUST FOR THE EAST NORTH COUNTY, BUT FOR THE URBAN AREAS IN CASE OF ANOTHER SAN BRUNO IN CASE OF ANOTHER ONE 63 AND FRIARS ROAD, IT'S CRITICAL.

WE WERE TASKED WITH PUBLIC SAFETY, FIRST PRESERVATION OF LIFE AND PROPERTY.

SO I REALLY WOULD HOPE TO SEE, I KNOW YOU DON'T LIKE EXTRA FREEWAY LANES.

THE LAND IS THERE.

I'M GLAD TO HEAR YOU TALK ABOUT 67, BUT THERE ARE OTHER QUARTERS.

I REALLY THINK WE NEED TO INCLUDE THE DISCUSSION OF PUBLIC SAFETY.

YOU'VE HEARD MY CONCERNS ABOUT COMMERCE AND CONGESTION PRICING.

I HOPE YOU'LL CONSIDER THOSE AS WELL.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

I WANT TO GO TO PHIL AND THEN BACK TO BOB.

BACK TO BOB.

YOU TALK ABOUT GREENHOUSE GASES.

HOW MANY GREENHOUSE GASES ARE SENT SPENT SITTING AT GRIDLOCK AND THE FREEWAY AND HOW MUCH GRID LAW, UH, GREENHOUSE GAS IS SITTING AT THE MODERATING STATION, MONITORING STATIONS WAITING TO GET ON THE FREEWAY.

HOW MUCH GREENHOUSE GAS IS THAT CREATING? THAT IS THROWING YOUR NUMBERS OUT OF A PROPORTION.

UH, I THINK YOU'RE, I THINK YOU'RE REALLY MISSING SOMETHING BY PREACHING MASS TRANSIT WHEN YOU SHOULD, AS, UH, MY COLLEAGUE HERE IS ALSO SAID YOU NEED TO SPEND MORE ON FREEWAYS BECAUSE PEOPLE NEED TO MOVE AROUND.

ONCE THEY GET UP TO SORENTO VALLEY ON A MASS TRANSIT, THEN THEY GOT TO GO TO WORK.

SO THEY MIGHT BE FIVE MILES AWAY FROM WHERE THEY HAVE TO GO, WHERE THEY GONNA RIDE A BUS, TWO OR THREE TRANSFERS AND GET INTO THAT PLACE, OR HOW ARE THEY GOING TO DO THAT? I THINK, I THINK YOUR, YOUR THINKING IS NOT VERY CLEAR AS TO HOW PEOPLE ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO GET SOMEWHERE ONCE THEY GET ON THE MASS TRANSIT COUNSEL ON.

BUT IT JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS IN THE GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS, UH, IF WE BUILD MORE CAPACITY AND IT'S NORMAL, PEOPLE WILL DRIVE MODEL THAT'S PROVEN.

THERE'S NO PEOPLE DRIVE MORE, ESPECIALLY IF THE CARS ARE NOT TOTALLY CLEAN, THEY'LL POLLUTE MORE.

THERE WILL BE MORE GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS.

I DID NOT WRITE THE LAW.

I'M THE PERSON WHO IN CHARGE OF AN AGENCY THAT'S SUPPOSED TO IMPLEMENT THE LAW, WE COULD GO FOR A LOT DISCUSSING THE LAW ITSELF.

WE ARE CHARGED OF NOT QUESTIONING THE LAW BUT MEETING THE LAW.

AND SO I DID NOT WRITE IT, BUT RIGHT NOW WE NEED TO REDUCE GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSION.

AS A RESULT, WE NEED TO REDUCE VEHICLE MILES TRAVELED.

HAVING SAID THAT, UH, UM, TO, TO COUNCILMAN, UH, GLOBAL QUESTION.

I BELIEVE, UH, WE CAN ADD CAPACITY WITHOUT ADDING LANES.

I DO BELIEVE THAT, BUT IN SOME CASES WE HAVE TO ADD LANDS, WHETHER IT'S FOR SAFETY OR FOR OTHER MATTERS, LIKE WHEN THE 52, I THINK W WE NEED TO GET SOME ADDITIONAL MANAGED LAND TO MAKE A MANAGEMENT SYSTEM, BUT I DON'T THINK WE CAN GET OUT OF CONGESTION BY KEEP ADDING LANES.

ILLIAD TRIED THAT, DIDN'T WORK.

HOUSTON, TEXAS, BUILD A 26 LANE HIGHWAY AND BECAME ONE OF THE MOST CONGESTED FEW MONTHS AFTER IT OPENED.

SO I'M ENCOURAGING YOU TO GIVE US A CHANCE TO OUTLINE A SYSTEM, A BALANCED SYSTEM, TRANSIT AND HIGHWAY AND INTERCHANGES AND MOBILITY HUBS AND APPLICATION OF TECHNOLOGY THAT I BELIEVE WHEN WE'RE DONE, YOU'RE GOING TO SAY GOOD.

WE HAVE A BALANCED SYSTEM THAT AT LEAST PROVIDE THE CHOICE FOR AT LEAST 10% OF US.

BUT IF WE KEEP THINKING THAT WE'RE GOING TO GET OUT OF THIS, AND YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT, THESE ARE SAFETY ISSUES, THESE ARE EMERGENCY ISSUES.

IF YOU THINK WE'RE GOING TO KEEP GETTING OUT OF THAT, ESPECIALLY IN THE URBAN CORE, WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO IT.

IT'S NOT POSSIBLE.

NOT ONLY FROM A DESIGN STANDPOINT, FROM AN ENVIRONMENTAL STANDPOINT, FROM A COST STANDPOINT.

SO I THINK WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE IS TRYING TO PROVIDE THE SYSTEM OF THE FUTURE THAT'S BALANCED, THAT PROVIDES THE SAFETY AND THE IMPROVEMENT.

WHETHER YOU DRIVE OR TAKE THE BUS.

GARY.

OKAY.

FOLLOW UP.

I GOT ONE FOLLOW UP.

YOU KNOW, ON THE CONGESTION PRICING.

I HOPE YOU'LL ALSO CONSIDER THE WORKPLACE.

YEAH.

ALCOHOL IS A LEADER IN THIS AREA IN GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS.

LET ME TELL YOU WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.

THE CITY MANAGER HAS UH, UH, SUPPORTED, CONTINUED A WORK PLAN FOR CITY HALL THAT IS 80 HOUR OVER NINE DAYS.

AND SO CITY HALLS ARE CLOSED

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EVERY OTHER FRIDAY.

THAT MEANS UTILITIES AREN'T BEING USED.

THAT MEANS EMPLOYEES AREN'T DRIVING ON FREEWAYS RELIEVING CONGESTION.

AND SO OKLAHOMAN'S GOT A VERY GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSION CONGESTION RELIEVING JUST BY ITS WORK SCHEDULE RIGHT NOW FROM MAY UNTIL AUGUST, THE COMMUTE IS MUCH BETTER IN THE MORNING BECAUSE THE UNIVERSITIES ARE OUT OF SESSION.

WE SHOULD ALSO CONSIDER THINGS LIKE, DO UNIVERSITY CLASSES REALLY NEED TO START AT 8:00 AM CLOGGING UP THE FREEWAY? COULD THEY START LATER? ARE THERE EMPLOYERS WHO WOULD BE VOLUNTARILY WILLING TO ONE DAY A MONTH OR SOMETHING START THEIR DAY EARLIER, START THEIR DAY A LITTLE LATER.

SO I HOPE YOU'LL ALSO CONSIDER THE WORKPLACE AS A POTENTIAL OPTION FOR AS WE ARE.

ABSOLUTELY.

HE SAYS THESE ARE GOOD STRATEGIES AND BY THE WAY, SANDAG IS ON THE NINE 82 FOR THIS SAME REASON.

SO THEY WERE HIGH.

I JUST WANT TO TELL YOU THAT I KNOW YOU'VE GOT A REALLY TOUGH JOB.

ABOUT A YEAR AGO I WROTE AN ARTICLE BECAUSE I WAS FRUSTRATED ABOUT HOMELESSNESS AND IN THE ARTICLE I OUTLINED ALL THE DIFFERENT LAWS THAT HAD COME OUT OF SACRAMENTO THAT WERE MAKING IT IMPOSSIBLE FOR THE CITIES TO DO WHAT PEOPLE WANTED HIS PEOPLE, PEOPLE OPERATE THEIR LIVES ON COMMON SENSE.

AND SOME PEOPLE CALL, HEY, I'VE GOT A GREAT COMMON SENSE SOLUTION TO HELP SOLVE THIS HOMELESS ISSUE.

AND I SAID, YEAH, THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE, BUT WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO DO THAT FOR THIS REASON, THIS REASON, THIS REASON, THIS REASON.

AND WE'RE CONSTRAINED BY THE LAWS COMING OUT OF SACRAMENTO AND HAVING BEEN ON SANDAG NOW FOR SIX YEARS, I, I'VE LEARNED A LOT ABOUT HOW INCREDIBLY RESTRICT, CONSTRAINED WE ARE.

UH, AND FRANKLY, A LOT OF TIMES WE CAN'T DO COMMON SENSE THINGS AT SANDAG BECAUSE WE HAVE TO DO WHAT IS POLITICALLY MANDATED BY, BY SACRAMENTO.

UM, SO I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT FIRST AND I COMMISERATE WITH YOU.

UH, THE SECOND THING I WANTED TO ASK YOU, I WENT DOWN TO MEXICO LAST WEEK, HAD A BORDER MAYORS CONFERENCE, AND ONE OF THE GUEST SPEAKERS WAS A TECHNOLOGY EXPERT, MUCH LIKE WE'VE HAD AT THE SANDAG RETREATS.

AND IT WAS EXCITING.

HE TALKED ABOUT, UH, IN THE NOT TOO DISTANT FUTURE, NOT 50, 60 YEARS FROM NOW, BUT SEVEN TO 10 YEARS FROM NOW.

UH, WE COULD HAVE SYSTEMS WHERE WE WOULD GET RID OF 70% OF THE CARS THAT ARE IN AMERICA RIGHT NOW THAT MOST PEOPLE WOULD DECIDE NOT TO BUY A CAR.

AND THERE'S A, THERE'S A PARADIGM SHIFT COMING IN THE WAY WE, WE, UH, GET AROUND.

I WENT AND TALKED TO HIM AFTERWARDS AND I SAID, SO IF THIS IS A REALITY, HE GOES, WELL, I ASSURE YOU IT IS.

WHY ARE WE BUILDING MOBILITY HUBS AND, AND TROLLEYS AND EH, BECAUSE IF THAT, IF WHAT HE SAYS IS TRUE, NOBODY'S GOING TO RIDE A TROLLEY EVER AGAIN BECAUSE I WOULD MUCH RATHER JUST HAVE A CAR PICK ME UP AND TAKE ME WHERE I'M GOING AND DROP ME OFF.

SO HOW DO YOU BALANCE AND MITIGATE THE FUTURE THAT'S COMING WITH THE BILLIONS OF DOLLARS THAT YOU'RE SPENDING FOR A FUTURE THAT MAY BE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT? THAT'S A GOOD ENOUGH QUESTION.

AND WHAT ARE THE FIVE BIG A, IS THE FLEXIBLE POLICE A FLEXIBLE FLEET ANTICIPATING JUST WHAT YOU JUST SAID.

HERE IS, HERE'S THE CHALLENGE.

I AGREE WITH WHOEVER THAT EXPERT.

I DIDN'T KNOW WHO HE IS, BUT I AGREE WITH WHERE HE'S GOING BECAUSE IF YOU LISTEN TO THE CEO FOR THEN GE, GENERAL MOTORS AND TOYOTA AND UBER, THEY WILL TELL YOU IN 10 YEARS WE WILL NOT BE SELLING CARS OR DRIVING CARS.

WE WILL BE SELLING TRANSPORTATION SERVICES.

TOTALLY.

BUT REMEMBER, SO WHETHER WE DRIVEN SOMEWHERE, WHETHER WE GOTTEN SOMEWHERE BY A DRIVER'S CAR OR A DRIVER IS STILL A CAR NEED TO GO ON THE HIGHWAY, WE NEED CAPACITY.

IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT FORM WOULD THAT I OWN THE CAR OR NOT.

I MAKE THE TRIP, I NEED TO MAKE THE TRIP AND LIKE THE COUNCILMAN POINT OUT, WE STILL NEED THE GROCERIES TO OUR STORES.

SO I AGREE WITH THE PREMISE THAT CAR OWNERSHIP IS GOING TO CHANGE SIGNIFICANTLY.

WHAT I DON'T THINK IS NOT, IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE IS THERE OUR NEED TO MAKE A TRIPS, WHETHER IT'S IN A DRIVERLESS SHUTTLE, A DRIVERLESS CAR OR A DRIVEN SOMEWHERE.

AND THAT'S WHY WE THINK THE FLEXIBLE FLEET IS GOING TO BE IMPORTANT TO THE SYSTEM.

WE THINK THE MOBILITY HUB IS GOING TO BE IMPORTANT.

THE QUESTION IS KEEP COMING BACK, STICK OPEN AND LEFT.

THEY EXIST TODAY, RIGHT? WE COULD, IT'S EASIER FOR ONE TO DECIDE.

I DON'T WANT TO OWN A CAR.

I JUST CALL UBER AND LYFT WHEN I WANT TO.

MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT MORE EXPENSIVE, MIGHT NOT.

BUT IF EVERY ONE OF US IS GOING TO HAVE A NEWBORN AND I LIFT, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE TRAVEL, WE'RE GOING TO NEED MORE CAPACITY.

AND THAT'S THE PREMISE OF THIS MOBILITY HUBS AT LEAST POTENTIALLY ALTERNATE TRANSIT ROUTES IN WHERE IT'S NEEDED OR WHERE IT'S MOST LIKELY TO HAVE.

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THE MAN IS STILL NEEDED AS A FIXED GUIDEWIRE SYSTEM.

I WOULDN'T KNOW.

OBVIOUSLY WE CAN'T PREDICT THE FUTURE, BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT EXPERTISE CORRECT IN TERMS OF OUR ABILITY TO TRAVEL IN THE FUTURE WILL BE DIFFERENT.

NOT IN OUR OWN CARS AND MAYBE MAYBE LONG CARS, BUT NOT TWO OR THREE IN THE DRIVEWAY.

MAYBE, MAYBE ONE ON ONE.

YOU KNOW THAT.

SO I, I'M NOT DISPUTING THAT AT ALL ACTUALLY.

WE'RE ANTICIPATING THAT.

LET ME JUST ALSO SAY, TO YOUR POINT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PLAN IS GOING TO END UP BEING.

WE STILL, I MEAN WE STILL SAW EARLY, WE JUST FIGURED OUT THAT THESE ARE THE POPULATION CENTER EMPLOYMENT CENTER.

THIS IS WHERE WE HAVE DEMAND FOR TRAVEL.

THIS IS, WE HAVE CONGESTION.

THIS IS SO BY THE TIME WE FINISHED THE PLAN, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THINGS COULD HAPPEN.

UH, ALL I'M ASKING IS GIVE US A CHANCE TO FINISH IT AND I HONESTLY TELL YOU IF I FIGURED OUT A WAY TO DEAL WITH, WITH HOW WE GET RID OF CONGESTION OR PROVIDE SAFETY BY JUST ADDING LYNN, I'LL TELL YOU, JUST ADD LYNN, BUT I KNOW IT DOESN'T WORK EITHER.

REGION'S ALREADY PROVEN IT DOESN'T WORK JUST TO KEEP ADDING CAPACITY TO THE SYSTEM.

THANK YOU FOR ANSWERING ALL OF OUR QUESTIONS AND MAKING THE TRIP OUT HERE.

OF COURSE, WE'RE GOING TO OPEN IT UP TO, UM, A PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS POINT AND THEN WE MAY CALL YOU BACK.

SIR, I THANKS VERY MUCH.

EMILY.

WE HAVE YOUR SPEAKER CARDS AT THIS POINT.

YES SIR.

WE HAVE THREE SPEAKERS.

THE FIRST ONE IS ON A LEAVE FORD.

HELLO.

WELCOME HERE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

MY NAME IS ANNALEE FORD AND I'M HERE TO PRESENT SAN DIEGO, UH, SIERRA CLUB.

I HEARD THE FIRST TIME ABOUT THE SUNDECK PLAN THROUGH SIERRA CLUB AND I WAS ABSOLUTELY IN LOVE WITH IT.

OF COURSE.

NOW, I HEARD VERY MANY GOOD POINTS FROM YOU AS WELL AS THE DISCUSSION WAS GOING ON, BUT I STILL AM VERY MUCH FOR IT.

SO I, I ASK YOU, PLEASE GIVE HIM A CHANCE TO FINISH THE PLAN.

UM, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE MEANINGFUL TRANSPORTATION AS AN OPS AND RATHER THAN TO BE FORCED TO DRIVE AS WE ARE NOW, WE DON'T GET ANYWHERE WITHOUT DRIVING AND, UH, DRIVING IS STRESSFUL.

IT'S ALSO THE BIGGEST CAUSE OF, FOR THE GREENHOUSE GASES, ESPECIALLY IF WE ARE DRIVING SOLO AS MANY OF US ARE.

SO I HAVE SEEN THE GOOD TRANSPORTATION SYSTEMS IN MANY PLACES.

UH, STOCKHOLM, LONDON, PARIS, UH, WASHINGTON DC, AND ESPECIALLY IN THE LITTLE TOWN THAT I WAS LIVING AS A YOUNG PERSON IN FINLAND WHERE I DID NOT NEED A CAR AND I HAD A FANTASTIC, VERY GOOD EVERY 10 MINUTES PAST THEM TO GO.

ANYWAY, I WANTED TO GO AND IT WAS FREQUENT, IT WAS INEXPENSIVE AND I HOPE TO SEE SOMETHING LIKE THAT HAPPENING IN SAN DIEGO COUNTY AS WELL.

SO YOU CAN IMAGINE HOW DELIGHTFUL I REALLY LIKED IT.

I WAS WHEN I LEARNED ABOUT THIS AND THAT VISION AND THESE FIVE BIG MOVES PLAN.

SO, UH, I THOUGHT FINALLY THAT IS A PLAN THAT CAN WORK FOR SAN DIEGO, WHICH HAS BEEN MY HOME SINCE UH, 1980.

I'M NOT FROM OKLAHOMA, I'M FROM SAN DIEGO.

UM, I DON'T WANT TO DRIVE MYSELF IF I CAN GET FROM POINT A TO POINT B IN THE TIMELY MANNER.

IT HAS TO BE TIMELY MANNER.

UM, I CAN'T IMAGINE THAT ANYBODY ELSE WAS, WOULD EITHER WANT TO DRIVE IF THEY HAD A WAY TO GET THE THAT WITHOUT DRIVING.

YET I COMMUTED TO WORK FOR ALL THESE YEARS THAT I HAVE BEEN WORKING HERE SOLO BECAUSE THERE WAS NO TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN HELPING ME.

THE STAND AT A PLAN SOUNDS SAFE.

IT IS FAST.

IT IS CONVENIENT AND IT WILL BE AFFORDABLE FOR THE PEOPLE WHO ARE USING IT.

AND IT IS EXACTLY THE KIND OF SYSTEM THAT I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR.

THIS IS PLANNING FOR THE FUTURE.

I FIND IT VERY DIFFICULT TO BELIEVE THAT SOME INDIVIDUALLY, THE INDIVIDUALS IN DECISION MAKING POSITIONS STILL WILL SUPPORT OUR DISASTERS.

MUSTERS HIGHWAY SHOWS THEM OUR COSTS.

THE EXPANDED THINGS ARE NEEDED AS AS I HEARD IN THE DISCUSSION.

BUT WE SHOULD NOT ADD INTO SOMETHING THAT IS SO PAST AS THE MAYOR WAS SAYING ALSO.

SO, UM, I HOPE THAT THE ISLA OPENING FOR THE NEEDS FOR OUR CHILDREN AND OUR GRANDCHILDREN WHO, WHO WILL USE A DIFFERENT KIND OF SYSTEM, HOPEFULLY SOMETHING THAT SENDAK WILL PLAN, UM, AS IT IS NOT YET COMPLETE.

SO

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I HOPE TO SEE THAT HAPPENING.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.

THANKS MAN.

LET ME SEE IF THERE'S A QUESTION FOR YOU.

ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU FOR COMING, MAN.

KRISTEN.

OKAY.

DO YOU REALIZE THAT ABOUT TWO THIRDS OF THE DOLLARS THAT THE UM, UH, MASS TRANSIT USES ARE TAXPAYER DOLLARS AND THE, THE WRITERS DON'T PAY THAT? I AM COMING FROM CANON SCANDINAVIAN COUNTRIES WHERE WE DO NOT MIND PAYING TAXES FOR THE PEOPLE'S SAKE.

WE DON'T MIND TO PAY FOR THE WARS.

WHAT'S YOUR TAX RATE AND WHERE YOU COME FROM? UH, IT IS VERY HIGH.

I THINK IT IS SOMETHING LIKE 30.

I HAVE LIVED HERE ALL MY LIFE PRACTICALLY.

SO, UH, IT IS VERY HIGH, BUT I, I DID NOT EVER MIND PAYING IT WHEN I LIVED THAT BECAUSE IT WENT FOR THE GOOD SCHOOLS.

IT WENT FOR THE, UH, FREE EDUCATION, FREE HEALTHCARE.

UH, IT, IT WENT FOR THE PURPOSES THAT I BELIEVE IN.

WELL, AND I BELIEVE IN THIS TRANSPORTATION, IF YOU HAVE THIS MASS TRANSIT IDEA, YOU AIN'T SEEN NOTHING YET WITH TAXES BECAUSE THAT DIDN'T EVEN CLI CLUED THE COST OF THE TROLLEYS WHICH ARE, UM, ABOUT, UM, ALMOST A MILLION DOLLARS OF CAR.

SO, UH, YOU AIN'T SEEN NOTHING YET AS FAR AS TAXES THAT MAY COULD BE DOUBLE WHAT IT IS TODAY.

SO, UH, UNFORTUNATELY I DO NOT KNOW VERY MUCH ABOUT THOSE ISSUES, BUT AS I SAID, I WOULD NOT MIND PAYING MORE TAXES FOR THESE KINDS OF PURPLES.

JUST WRITE A CHECK TO THE GOVERNMENT AND SEND IT IN AND WELL, I LIKE TO SHARE IT WITH OTHER PEOPLE WHO ARE PATIENT.

ALL RIGHT.

LET ME SEE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, MA'AM? THANK YOU FOR COMING.

I APPRECIATE IT.

THANK YOU.

JACK SHOE.

HI JAX.

NICE TO SEE YOU.

WHAT A DIFFERENT PLACE.

AND I SEE YOU NEAR WELLS.

AND THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME HERE.

JACKIE WITH CLEVELAND NATIONAL FOREST FOUNDATION.

UM, AND THOUGH I LIVE IN LA MESA, I COME TO ALCOHOL AND OFTEN AND AND UH, SURELY SUPPORT A LOT OF THE BUSINESS HERE IN ALCOHOL.

UM, IT'S TIME WE HAVE A NEW VISION, WE HAVE TO DO THINGS DIFFERENTLY AND I CERTAINLY WELCOME SANDAG COMING TO THE POINT OF, HEY, LET'S FIGURE OUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO FIX THINGS AND STOP THE INCO.

WE'VE BEEN DOING IT PAST THAT HAS NOT BEEN WORKING.

WE SHOULD HAVE DONE THIS 10, 15, 20 YEARS AGO.

AND BECAUSE WE'RE DOING IT NOW, IT'S GOING TO COST BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T DONE IT BEFORE.

IT MEANS CHANGE.

SOME OF THAT CHANGE IS NOT STUFF THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO LIKE BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN SO SLOW IN ACTING.

I'M A TRANSIT ADVOCATE.

SO LET ME TELL YOU A FEW THINGS ABOUT TRANSIT.

I BELIEF IS VERY IMPORTANT HERE.

FIRST OF ALL, VEHICLE TRAVEL IS NOT SAFE.

THE CALIFORNIA TRUST, UH, UH, TRAIN OR LIGHT RAIL OR TRAIN PLAN SAYS THAT TRAIN TRAVEL, ANY KIND OF TRAIN CHAPLAIN, LIGHT RAIL IS 17 TIMES SAFER PER MILE TRAVEL THAN AUTO TRAVEL.

FOR THAT REASON ALONE, WE'D GET RID OF CARS.

THERE'S ANOTHER MYTH THAT PEOPLE ON TRANSIT ARE IN PUBLIC ASSISTANCE MORE SO THAN THAN DRIVERS.

THAT'S WRONG.

DRIVERS HAVE NOT BEEN PAYING THEIR WAY FOR A LONG TIME.

IF DRIVERS HAVE THE PEDRONE WAY, I THINK THEY GET OUT.

BY THE WAY, TRANSPORTATION IS ONE OF THE MOST COSTLY AS PART OF OUR FAMILY BUDGET.

IT'S SECOND ONLY TO HOUSING.

WE NEED TO ADDRESS THAT.

ANOTHER PART ABOUT A COST IS FOR EVERY DOLLAR THAT YOU SPEND ON AUTO TRAVEL, 80% OF THAT LEAVES OUR REGION BECAUSE WE DON'T PRODUCE CAR CARS, NOR DO WE PRODUCE GASOLINE FOR EVERY DOLLAR YOU USE ON TRANSIT.

80 CENTS STAYS IN THE REGION BECAUSE MOST OF THAT IS SPENT ON, ON STAFF MAINTENANCE FOR THAT, FOR THIS.

AND THAT'S ANOTHER REASON WHY TRANSIT HELPS OUR OWN ECONOMY.

AND UNLESS MONEY WE SPEND ON TRANSPORTATION, THE MORE MONEY WE CAN SPEND ON OTHER THINGS IN OUR, IN OUR COMMUNITIES.

THAT'S WHY WE HAVE TO MAKE THIS TRANSFER, THIS CHANGE.

LUCKILY, OTHER CITIES THROUGHOUT THE WORLD HAVE MADE THIS TRANSITION AND WE CAN MAKE IT AS WELL.

WE HAVE TO MAKE IT, IN FACT, THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA SAID AT LEAST 19% REDUCTION IN GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS, WHICH MEANS A REDUCTION IN VMT OF 3% PER YEAR FOR THE NEXT 10 TO 15 YEARS.

THAT'S OUR GOAL.

WE SIMPLY CANNOT EXPAND OUR ROADWAYS.

WE HAVE TO FIND OTHER WAYS TO DEAL WITH THESE ISSUES OF SAFETY, OF EVACUATIONS.

YOU KNOW, THE SAFEST, EASIEST AND CHEAPEST WAY TO REDUCE THE CONGESTION IS TO REDUCE VMT AND YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO BUILD ANYTHING.

AND THERE ARE MANY WAYS TO DO THAT.

SO

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PLEASE CONSIDER ALL THESE THINGS AS WE GO FORWARD.

THANK YOU.

YEAH.

LET ME SEE THREE QUESTIONS FOR YOU.

BUT STEVE, DID I HEAR YOU CORRECTLY TO SAY THERE MUST BE OTHER, OTHER WAYS TO EVACUATE? OH YES.

WHAT WOULD BE SOME EXAMPLES? UM, WELL, ONE IS TO SIMPLY START PULLING, UH, VEHICLES.

UM, SO YOU HAVE OTHER EVACUATION PLANS YOU COULD EVACUATE EARLIER.

SO RATHER THAN THAN CRUNCH CRUNCH ON TIME, UH, SO THOSE ARE ALL WAYS TO DO IT.

BUT YOU KNOW WHAT'S INTERESTING TO ME IS OUR BOARD OF SUPERVISORS KEEP ON EXPANDING, UM, RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITIES USING GREEN, UH, JOHN PLAN AMENDMENTS AND PROPOSING OTHER EX, UH, EXPANSION OF RESONANCES IN CERTAIN AREAS WHEN THEY KNOW THAT THERE AREN'T GOOD X EXIT ROUTES.

IN FACT, ON ONE OF THOSE, UH, GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENTS, THEY SAID, OH, WE'LL JUST USE A SHELTER IN PLACE AS A MEANS.

SO I THINK THERE'S SWITCH BAIT AND SWITCH TYPE OF THING SAYING, OH, WE CAN BUILD HERE WHEN IT DOESN'T HAVE A GOOD ESCAPE ROUTE.

BUT THEN IN ANOTHER SENSE, AND NOW THEY'RE SAYING, OH, WE NEED TO EXPAND THIS ROADWAY.

WELL, THEY DIDN'T.

WE'LL HAVE TO EXPAND THE ROADWAY SAFETY ROUTES FIRST BEFORE WE BUILD MORE HOUSING.

ALL RIGHT.

THANKS JACK.

THANK YOU.

THE LAST SPEAKER IS BRUCE GRAVES.

WELL, BRUCE, WELCOME.

THANK YOU.

HELLO MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.

MY NAME IS BRUCE GRAVES.

I AM A LONG TIME RESIDENT.

I OWN A HOME HERE.

I RAISED A FAMILY HERE.

UH, I'M ALSO A MEMBER OF SAN DIEGO THREE 50.

I SUPPORT A BOLD VISION THAT MEANINGFULLY ADDRESSES THE CLIMATE CRISIS AND SUPPORTS CLEAN AIR, HEALTHY COMMUNITIES AND GOOD QUALITY LOCAL JOBS.

SANDBAGS.

CONCEPT OF FIVE BIG MOVES IS A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.

THE ONLY SOLUTION FOR TRULY ADDRESSING OUR TRANSPORTATION PROBLEMS IN BOTH THE SHORT AND LONG TERM IS MAKING FUNDAMENTAL CHANGES IN THE WAY WE GET AROUND TRANSIT.

BIKING AND WALKING NEED TO BECOME SAFE, CONVENIENT, AND AFFORDABLE.

WE NEED A REAL USEFUL NETWORK THAT CAN GET PEOPLE FROM POINT A TO POINT B AND IS COMPETITIVE WITH DRIVING.

WE JUST CAN'T BUILD ENOUGH FREEWAYS TO, TO FIX THIS.

IF TRANSIT IS A REAL CHOICE, PEOPLE WILL CHOOSE TO RIDE IT.

WE NEED TO BE WILLING TO REVISE OR LET GO OF OLD PLANS WHEN THEY NO LONGER SERVE THE PUBLIC INTEREST AND INVEST OUR PUBLIC DOLLARS IN CHOICES THAT MEET TODAY'S NEEDS, INCLUDING ADDRESSING THE CLIMATE, TRUCK, CLIMATE CRISIS, AIR QUALITY AND PUBLIC HEALTH.

THANK YOU.

ANY QUESTIONS? THANKS SIR.

NO MORE SPEAKERS, SIR.

ALL RIGHT, COUNSEL.

UM, I'LL LEAVE IT WITH YOU.

IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO MAKE A MOTION.

THE MOTION WAS ON THE LETTER.

YOU ALSO HAVE THE DISCUSSION ABOUT IF YOU WANT TO HAVE A DISCUSSION, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE EVERYBODY'S IN THE SAME PLACE.

WELL, I'M A FREE MARKET KIND OF GUY AND I THINK, UH, THE MARKETS, UH, AND FAVOR THE AUTOMOBILE RIGHT NOW.

AND UH, ALL RIGHT, I THINK WE SHOULD OPPOSE A SPINNING, TAKING MONEY AWAY FROM THE FREEWAY SYSTEM AND PUTTING INTO PUBLIC TRANSIT RIGHT NOW.

IT'S NOT A BENEFIT OKLAHOMA A WHOLE LOT.

I JUST MADE SURE NONE OF THE PROPOSALS THAT ARE ON THE SAN DIEGO LIST RIGHT NOW WOULD BE TO BUILD NEW FREEWAYS.

IT WOULD BE TO EXPAND EXISTING FREEWAYS AND UH, FIX BROKEN ONES AND LIKE IN THE CASE OF THE 67, PROVIDE MORE SAFETY.

SO YEAH, I THINK THE LETTER IS VERY WELL DONE AND I, I THINK THAT UM, MORE FREEWAYS NEED TO BE PLANNED AND THEY NEED TO START PLANNING ON OTHER THINGS OTHER THAN JUST ADDING LANES.

MAYBE MORE FREEWAYS NEED TO BE ADDED TO WHERE PEOPLE GET

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AROUND A LITTLE BETTER BECAUSE EVACUATION FIRES A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT WE NEED THESE ROADWAYS IN ORDER TO CLEAR PEOPLE OUT IN CASE OF EMERGENCIES.

ALSO, IF WE BUILD MORE FREEWAYS, WE'LL HAVE MORE WAYS TO GET TO CERTAIN PLACES AND THE ONES WE HAVE PROBABLY WON'T BE AS CONGESTED.

SO I THINK YOUR LETTER IS VERY GOOD.

AND UM, I WOULD AGREE WITH GARY THAT PEOPLE ARE GONNA DRIVE THEIR CARS NO MATTER WHAT.

UH, I WAS JUST VISITED CHINA NOT TOO LONG AGO, VISITED A CHINA, UH, CITY WITH 44 MILLION PEOPLE IN IT.

UH, THE, THE FREEWAYS WERE HEAVILY TRAVELED.

UH, PEOPLE WERE IN THEIR CARS.

UH, THEY HAVE MASS TRANSIT, BUT THEY STILL DRIVE THEIR CARS AND UM, IT JUST TAKES A LITTLE LONGER TO GET TO WHERE YOU'RE GOING.

UH, AND THAT'S A FACT AND I THINK PEOPLE ARE USED TO THAT.

THEY PLAN THEIR TRIPS, UH, WHEN IT'S MORE CONVENIENT TRAFFIC WISE, AND YOU CAN MAKE WISER DECISIONS THAT WAY, SO YOU JUST HAVE TO USE THEM WHEN THEY AREN'T AS CONGESTED IF YOU HAVE THAT FLEXIBILITY.

SO WHAT WE KNEW NEEDED MORE FREEWAYS AND MORE LANES.

SO THANK YOU FOR THE LETTER.

I THINK CHANGES ARE, WILL BE COMING.

I THINK GONNA CHANGE A LOT OF THINGS, BUT I'D LIKE TO LET THE FREE MARKET DECIDE AND I REALLY HAVE TROUBLE WITH GOVERNMENT TELLING PEOPLE HOW TO LIVE.

THAT'S RIGHT.

I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MAKES AMERICA A UNIQUE PLACE TO LIVE IS THAT WE REALLY VALUE FREEDOM.

AND AT EVERY TIME THAT WE GIVE UP A LITTLE FREEDOM FOR SECURITY OR A LITTLE FREEDOM FOR W A WELL, IT WAS JUST ANYTIME WE GIVE UP A LITTLE FREEDOM FOR WHATEVER CAUSE IT, IT TAKES US BACK AWAY FROM BEING THAT UNIQUE COUNTRY IN THE WORLD WHERE PEOPLE REALLY VALUE FREEDOM.

AND I THINK WE'VE BEEN TO BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT THAT.

OBVIOUSLY THERE ARE TIMES WHEN THE GOVERNMENT HAS TO INTERVENE AND MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE AREN'T HURTING THEMSELVES AND HURTING OTHERS.

BUT I, I'M NOT CONVINCED THAT WE'RE AT THAT PLACE YET.

SO GARY, ONE MORE COMMENT.

YEAH.

HISTORY SHOWS US THAT THE FREE MARKET IS, GIVES US THE MOST EFFICIENT DISTRIBUTION OF RESOURCES.

SO I THINK THAT, UH, I AGREE TO LET HER IS A GOOD THING.

RIGHT.

STEVE? I, I AGREE WITH THE LETTER AND PROBABLY THE DEFINING SENTENCE IS IT IMPORTANT, IT IS IMPORTANT THAT SANDAG MAINTAIN THE CONFIDENCE OF VOTERS AND DELIVER ON PROMISES TO ADDRESS CRITICAL ROAD AND HIGHWAY PROJECTS.

YOU'VE HEARD ME EXPLAIN WHY I THINK WE DO NEED EXTRA LANES.

I UNDERSTAND CONGESTION, BUT I'M TALKING FOR PUBLIC SAFETY AND SOME OF THESE ROADS ARE HIGHWAY 52 67 ONE LANE IN EACH DIRECTION.

UH, IN THE ITO C TRANSNET EXTINCTION QUARTERLY REPORT IN OCTOBER, 2017 73% OF FUNDS SPENT, HAD BEEN SPENT ON MAJOR CORRIDOR PROJECTS, BUT ONLY 16% HAD BEEN SPENT ON LOCAL STREET AND ROAD THINGS.

I THINK WE HAVE FRONT-LOADED SOME OF THOSE THINGS.

I AM CONCERNED WHERE WE'RE GOING TO PUT A MILLION PEOPLE BETWEEN NOW AND 20 50TH IF YOU TAKE 330,000 HOUSING UNITS AND THE AVERAGE CAR PER HOUSING UNIT IS ABOUT ONE AND A HALF TO TWO, YOU'RE TALKING 500,000 CARS.

I DON'T THINK WE CAN ABSORB THAT, BUT I THINK THE PRINCIPLE HERE IS WE NEED TO KEEP OUR WORD TO THE VOTERS FROM 2004.

YOU NEED TO PURSUE THESE, THESE NEW PUBLIC TRANSIT THINGS, BUT A NEW SOURCE OF FUNDING MUST COME FOR IT.

THE AGREE WITH MY, UH, FELLOW COUNCILMAN.

UH, I THINK IT STOPS, UH, FOR ME WITH THE SHIFTING OF FUNDS, UH, AS COUNCILMAN GOBO SAID, UM, THE VOTERS VOTED ON THIS AND IT'S OUR DUTY TO EXECUTE THE WILL OF THE VOTERS, UM, NOT TO SHIFT AND, AND TAKE MONIES THAT WERE EARMARKED AND DESIGNATED FOR CERTAIN PROJECTS.

UM, I THINK IT STOPS THERE FOR ME.

UM, BOB, NOT ONLY THAT, UM, I TOOK MY WIFE TO PROJECT GAME A FEW YEARS BACK AND WE RODE THE TROLLEY HOME AND BECAUSE THERE WAS A YOUNG PERSON JUMPING OFF AND ON, UH, LOOKED LIKE A GANG MEMBER OR SOMETHING, UH, BETWEEN DIFFERENT STOPS AND THINGS, SHE SAID, I'LL NEVER RIDE THE TROLLEY AGAIN.

THAT'S MY LAST RIDE ON THE TROLLEY.

AND THERE ARE UNSAVORY INDIVIDUALS.

THEY CAN'T PUT AN OFFICER ON EVERY, EVERY TROLLEY CAR, BUT PEOPLE DON'T FEEL SAFE NECESSARILY.

THAT'S A POSTURE AND IT'S, UH,

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I KNOW THEY SPEND A LOT OF MONEY ON SAFETY.

UM, THE RECORD IS NOT THAT BAD.

HOWEVER, IT FRIGHTENS PEOPLE WHEN THEY SAY SEE THINGS THAT HAPPEN AND THEY JUST WON'T DRIED IT.

SO, UH, I THINK YOU'RE ILL CONCEIVED TO THINK THAT EVERYBODY'S GOING TO RIDE THE TROLLEY BECAUSE MY WIFE WILL NEVER EVER RIDE IT AGAIN.

BOB LOT ALONG THE SAME LINES I WROTE THE CHARLIE RECENTLY STOPPED HIM DOWNTOWN AND WHAT HE DOES USE THE RESTROOM AND THERE ISN'T A RESTROOM.

THERE'S NO BATHROOM ON THE TROLLEY.

HOW CAN WE MOVE MILLIONS OF PEOPLE HOURS TRIP AND NOT EXPECT THEM TO USE THE RESTROOM OR CHILDREN? I, I IT'S SO, IT'S NOT TO SAY THAT THE, THOSE PROBLEMS COULDN'T BE OVERCOME, BUT IT DOES MAKE IT DIFFICULT TO BELIEVE THE SHINING FUTURE IF WE CAN'T EVEN SOLVE THE PROBLEMS OF, OF PEOPLE FEELING UNSAFE ON THE TROLLEY AND NOW NOT HAVE ANYWHERE TO USE THE RESTROOM.

PEOPLE TALK ABOUT CONGESTION PRICING.

I'M NICE.

UH, IT'S NICE TO HEAR THAT IT'S OFF THE TABLE UNTIL THE PUBLIC TRANSIT SYSTEM IS MORE ROBUST.

WE HEAR ABOUT CONGESTION PRICING IN STOCKHOLM IN LONDON.

NEW YORK CITY'S ADOPTING SOME, BUT THOSE ARE THE THREE CITIES WITH VERY ADVANCED PUBLIC TRANSIT NETWORKS, MUCH MORE ADVANCED THAN SAN DIEGO.

IN SOME WAYS.

OUR PUBLIC TRANSIT NETWORK, OUR WEB OF POINTS OF PRESENCE IS VERY BEHIND.

SO I, I STILL COME BACK TO, WE NEED TO KEEP OUR WORD TO VOTERS FOR 2004.

I THINK YOU'RE ON THE RIGHT TRACK WITH PUBLIC TRANSIT TO MEET THE NEXT MILLION PEOPLE.

BUT I THINK WE NEED TO FIND A NEW FUNDING SOURCE AND GO TO THE PEOPLE FOR THAT MIDDLE MAN.

OH, PLEASE.

YEAH.

THANK YOU.

I JUST WANT TO ADD TO THIS SOMETHING THAT YOU ALL SAID THEN AND RIGHTLY SO ABOUT, UH, THE TRANSNET I THINK IN THE MIDDLE NOISES, MY FEARS PRESENTATION TO THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS.

UH, I HAD TO BE VERY HONEST ABOUT TRANSCENDENT.

WE OVER FORECASTED AND WE UNDERESTIMATED THE COST.

AH, SO WHEN YOU TALK, DON'T SHIFT THE MONEY, THERE IS NO MONEY TO BE SHIFTED RIGHT NOW.

THAT'S THE TRUTH.

IF THE TRUTH HURTS, SO BE IT.

BUT THAT'S THE TRUTH IS THERE IS NO MONEY NOW TO SHIFT.

EVEN, EVEN IF SANDAG BOARD WANTED TO SHIFT MONEY, THERE IS NO SUCH THING.

IT IS $10 BILLION SHORT AND WILL BE $10 BILLION SHORT BY 2048.

SO NOT ONLY WE, THERE IS NO MONEY TO SHIFT EVEN WHEN THE MONEY STARTS COMING IN AND WILL NOT BE ENOUGH TO BUILD WHAT UH, WE, THE, THE LIST OF THE PROJECTS.

SO I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT IT'S NOT LIKE SLUNK SCANNING SANDAG BOARD.

IT HAS THAT OPTION TO SHIFT.

THERE IS NO MONEY.

WE LOST THE, THE MEASURE FOR THE TAX INCREASE.

AND I THINK MOSTLY BECAUSE OF THESE ISSUES, I THINK THERE'S A REAL DISCONNECT BETWEEN WHAT GOVERNMENT WANTS PEOPLE TO DO WHEN PEOPLE WANT TO DO.

SURE.

AND I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO SAY, DON'T TELL ME HOW TO LIVE, DON'T TELL ME WHERE I CAN GO AND WHAT I CAN DRIVE, WHAT I CAN DO.

YOUR JOB IS NOT TO DO THAT.

YOUR JOB IS TO BRI PROVIDE FOR US TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS.

I AGREE.

AND I, SO I THINK UNTIL WE GET PAST THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TROUBLE GETTING THE MONEY THAT WE NEED.

SHOULD I, I JUST MISSED IT.

ACTING TO THE FACT THAT IT'S SHIFTED THE MONEY.

THERE IS NO MONEY.

YEAH.

AND IT'S A GOOD, IT'S A GOOD POINT.

YOU KNOW, IT'S IT, IT'S NOT A ROSY PICTURE IN REGARDS TO THE FINANCES.

YEP.

NOPE.

NO MATTER WHAT IS DONE.

UH, IF YOU MOVE THIS MONEY AROUND AND DON'T BUILD MORE ROADS AS THE PEOPLE VOTED FOR, YOU'LL NEVER GET ANOTHER TAX INCREASE TO BUILD ANYTHING NEW.

SO YOUR PLAN IS DEAD ON ARRIVAL IF IT EVER, IF YOU DON'T FOLLOW THE PLAN THAT WAS VOTED FOR.

WELL THANKS FOR, THANK YOU LEE, FOR ENGAGING IN THE DEBATES.

YOU KNOW, IT'S AN INTERESTING DEBATE AND THERE IT'S EASY TO LOOK AT THIS AND SAY THERE, THERE ARE SMART PEOPLE AND STUPID PEOPLE AND GOOD PEOPLE AND BAD PEOPLE.

I DON'T SEE THAT'S THE ISSUE I SEE EVERYBODY IS TRYING TO SOLVE THIS MASSIVE, MASSIVE PROBLEM WITH NOT ENOUGH RESOURCES, WITHOUT NOT ENOUGH KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT'S COMING DOWN FIVE YEARS FROM NOW, 10 YEARS FROM NOW.

MAN, I, I COULDN'T AGREE WITH YOU MORE.

THIS IS HEALTHY DEBATE IN THE REGION.

THE REGION DESERVE TO DEBATE.

PUBLIC POLICY DEBATE IS HEALTHY.

I BELIEVE I AGREE WITH YOU 100% AND YOU KNOW I AND I DO ADMIRE YOU.

I APPRECIATE YOU COMING IN AND SUFFERING THE SLINGS AND ARROWS CAUSE I KNOW THAT THIS ISN'T THE FIRST PLACE THAT YOU'VE BEEN BEATEN UP A BIT FOR THIS AND I AND I HAVE MY YOU FOR TAKING OUT SUCH A DIFFICULT COURSE.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR HAVING ME.

THANKS.

SO, UM, THE LAST THING IS THE LETTER.

I LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE UM, SEND, SEND THE LETTER OF OPPOSITION AS WRITTEN.

SECOND MOVE THE SECOND PLEASE VOTE.

AND LADIES AND GENTLEMEN AS A OH, GO AHEAD.

OKAY.

MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.

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WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A SHORT BREAK SO EVERYBODY CAN GET A DRINK OF WATER AND UH, THANKS VERY MUCH FOR BEING INVOLVED.

WE'LL BE BACK IN FIVE MINUTES.

ALL RIGHT, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE'RE GOING TO

[11. Delinquent Sewer Service Charges RECOMMENDATION: That the City Council: Opens the Public Hearing and considers public testimony; Closes the Public Hearing; Adopts the next Resolutions, in order, confirming the list of property owners as delinquent in the payment of their mandatory sewer service bills; and Authorizes the City Clerk to record the amount owed as a lien on the property and forward a list to the County Tax Assessor for billing on the next property tax bill. ]

GO BACK TO WHERE WE LEFT OFF BEFORE THIS WITH UM, NUMBER 11 CONTINUING WITH THE PUBLIC HEARINGS.

ITEM 11 IS FOR DOING SEWER CHARGES.

AND I'M GOING TO ASK DIRK EPPERSON TO FILL US IN ON US.

WELL, WE CERTAINLY SAVED THE BEST ONE FOR SECOND HERE.

SO YOU GUYS ARE IN FOR A TREAT BECAUSE IT'S, THIS ONE'S THE SEWER ONE, NOT THE TRASH ONE.

AND UM, YEAH, YEAH, IT IS EXCITING.

UM, WHEN WE SENT IN THE AGENDA REPORT, WE HAD 796 DELINQUENT SEWER ACCOUNTS, TOTALLY IN $122,000.

SINCE THEN.

I'M HAPPY TO REPORT THAT 323 HAVE PAID, LEAVING ONLY 473.

UH, OUTSTANDING.

AND THAT'S AS OF THIS MORNING, OUR STAFF ACTUALLY WORKED REALLY HARD THROUGH LUNCH TO COME UP WITH THESE NEW, UH, THIS NEW INFORMATION.

SO I WANT TO THANK STAFF FOR WORKING SO HARD ON THAT.

APPRECIATE YOUR HELP.

UM, THAT LEAVES A TOTAL OF $134,000.

UM, AND, AND THIS IS DUE TO, UH, SOME ADDITIONAL BILLS THAT BECAME DELINQUENT SINCE, SO WE KIND OF HAD A GIVEN A TAKE HERE, BUT UM, THE TOTAL IS $134,744 AND 98 CENTS, UH, IS WHAT YOU'RE CONSIDERING FOR, UH, LEANS AGAINST THOSE PROPERTIES AND FORWARDING THE LIST TO THE COUNTY TAX ASSESSOR FOR BILLING ON THE NEXT PREP PROPERTY TAX BILL.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

OKAY.

COUNSEL, ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? RIGHT.

THAT'S WHAT I'LL ASK NEXT.

ANY CARDS? NO SPEAKERS THERE.

ALL RIGHT, I'M GOING TO ACTUALLY HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARINGS.

I MAKE A MOTION TO DO THAT.

SECOND, PLEASE VOTE.

MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.

ALRIGHT, SOMEBODY LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION.

I'LL MOVE THAT WE, UH, ADOPT THE NEXT RESOLUTION OR ORDER AND AUTHORIZE THE CITY CLERK TO RECORD THE AMOUNT OWED AS A LIEN OF THE PROPERTY AND FORWARD TO LISTEN TO THE COUNTY TAX SUCCESSOR BOOTING.

SECOND IT PLEASE VOTE.

MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.

[12. Adoption of New Fees; Modification and Elimination of Existing Fees; and Amendment of Schedule of Miscellaneous Fees RECOMMENDATION: That the City Council: Opens the Public Hearing and receives testimony; Closes the Public Hearing; and Adopts the next Resolution, in order, to modify certain existing fees, add and delete certain fees, and amend the City’s Schedule of Miscellaneous Fees.]

ALL RIGHT.

THE LAST PUBLIC HEARING, ITEM NUMBER 12 IS FOR ADOPTION OF NEW FEES.

I'LL ASK STAFF TO INTRODUCE THIS ITEM PLEASE.

THANK YOU.

MARIN CITY COUNCIL.

THIS IS MY ITEM.

EACH YEAR THE CITY COUNCIL, THE CITY CONDUCTS A REVIEW OF ITS SCHEDULE A FEES FOR UH, DETERMINING WHETHER CERTAIN SERVICES APPLICATIONS SUCH AS FOR PERMITS AND THINGS OF OTHER WORK REQUESTED BY THIRD PARTIES.

UM, IF THOSE FEES SHOULD BE REMAINED THE SAME OR SHOULD BE CHANGED, UH, THE CITY COUNCIL WILL GENERALLY SUPPORT FEES THAT REFLECT THE REASONABLE COST OF SERVICES RENDERED SEEKING FULL COST RECOVERY.

THIS MEANS THAT CHANGES IN THE MANNER OF PROVIDING THE SERVICES AND THE SALARIES OF PERSONNEL INVOLVED WITH JUSTIFY A CHANGE IN THE FEE.

SOMETIMES THE CHANGES WILL REQUIRE REDUCTION OF A FEE, UH, DUE TO EFFICIENCIES IN THE PROCESS.

UH, MOST OF THE TIME THE FEES THOUGH WILL BE INCREASED AS A RESULT OF SALARY INCREASES AND COSTS OF DOING BUSINESS SINCE THE LAST REVIEW.

AND THERE ARE THOSE SITUATIONS WHERE NO FEE WAS CHARGED BEFORE AND THE STAFF IS NOW RECOMMENDING A NEW FEE SHOULD BE ADDED.

THIS YEAR'S REVIEW IS TYPICAL FOR THE CITY.

THE AGENDA REPORT DETAILS THE PROPOSED CHANGES WHICH COME FROM THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE, THE BUILDING AND FIRES SAFETY AND PLANNING DIVISIONS THAT THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT AND THE POLICE PUBLIC WORKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENTS.

STATE LAW REQUIRES A FEES IMPOSED BY THE CITY, CANNOT EXCEED THE COSTS REASONABLY CALCULATED TO PROVIDE THE SERVICE.

THEREFORE, THE DEPARTMENTS HAVE EACH REVIEWED THESE PROPOSED CHANGES AND HAVE BACKUP MATERIALS TO SUPPORT THE REQUEST TO CHANGES THE CITY CLERK, POLICE AND RECREATION FEES.

IF A, IF APPROVED WOULD TAKE EFFECT ON JULY 1ST, 2019 THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND PUBLIC WORKS FEES IF, IF APPROVED, WILL TAKE EFFECT ON, UH, 60 DAYS FOLLOWING ADOPTION, WHICH IS AUGUST 10TH OF 2019.

THIS CONCLUDES MY REPORT AND I'M AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS ON THE PROCESS.

DIRECTORS ARE AVAILABLE TO PROVIDE RESPONSES TO SPECIFIC CHANGES BEING PROPOSED BY THE DEPARTMENTS.

THANK YOU, COUNSEL.

UM, COUNSEL, YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I JUST HAVE A LITTLE CART.

YOU, YOU MENTIONED, UM, THE PARK SERVICE, UM, AND MORE FEES ARE THESE, UH, FEES THAT WOULD BE PAID BY, UH, FAMILIES AND KIDS WHO WANTED TO PLAY SOCCER OR DANCER GO TO OUR CLASSES.

IS THAT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MOSTLY?

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YEAH.

JUST GENERALLY SPEAKING, THEY'RE PROBABLY MORE RENTAL FEES.

ANY MR. CARSON WILL HAVE THE SPECIFICS BESIDES, YOU KNOW, THEY ARE LISTED IN THE REPORT, BUT MAYBE HE CAN GIVE YOU A QUICK SUMMARY OF WHAT HIS DEPARTMENT IS PROPOSING.

THANKS FRANK.

UM, MOST OF THE FEES THAT WE ARE CONSIDERING OR THAT COUNCIL ORIGINALLY ADOPTED IN 1997 IT'S, WE DO AN ANNUAL FEE STUDY AND WE EVALUATE WHAT OUR COMMUNITY CAN AFFORD.

UH, RIGHT NOW WE ARE AT THE LOWEST OR SECOND TO LOWEST ON ALL OF OUR FEES.

UH, WE DO RECOGNIZE THAT WE HAVE TO RAISE OUR RATES.

BEING THAT THE LAST TWO YEARS WE'VE HAD A MINIMUM WAGE INCREASE.

NOW IT'S $12 AN HOUR.

IN JANUARY IT'D BE $13 AN HOUR.

SO IN ORDER FOR US TO EVEN BE COST EFFECTIVE WITH A SPECIAL REVENUE FUND, WE HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO MODERATELY RAISE RATES AND WE HAVE EVALUATED WHAT THE MARKET CAN BEAR AND WE BELIEVE THAT THESE RATES CAN BE ADJUSTED IN AND AVAILABLE TO OUR COMMUNITY.

WE ALSO OFFER SCHOLARSHIPS TO EVERY HOUSEHOLD IN OKON.

THAT'S A, THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO HEAR.

SO IF, IF A KID JUST HONESTLY CAN'T AFFORD TO PAY THE FEE TO PLAY SOCCER, HE, THERE'S A, THERE'S A REMEDY FOR THAT.

YES SIR.

THERE'S AT LEAST 50%.

UH, WE, WE CAN COVER THE COSTS THROUGH SCHOLARSHIPS AND GRANTS THAT WE GET, UH, THROUGH TARGET AND OTHER AGENCIES.

THANKS.

THANKS FOR CLEARING THAT UP.

YOU'RE SET.

THANKS FOR FREE.

OKAY.

UM, COUNSEL ON IF WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS FOR THIS ITEM.

WE HAVE NO CARD, SIR.

ALL RIGHT THEN I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING.

ONE SECOND.

PLEASE.

VOTE MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE A DISCUSSION OR WOULD SOMETHING LIKE THE PURSUIT OF THE MARSHALL MOVING.

SECOND, PLEASE VOTE.

MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.

OKAY, GREAT.

ARE THERE, I KNOW ADMINISTRATIVE AND NO COMMISSIONER REPORTS TODAY

[13. Council Activity Report]

I AM 13 IS MY ACTIVITY DEPART, WHICH IS AS REPORTED.

ITEM

[14. Legislative Report]

14 IS A LEGISLATIVE REPORT UPDATE AND I WOULD LIKE TO ASK CITY MANAGER, ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, VINCE DIMAGGIO TO PROVIDE THIS UPDATE.

THANK YOU MAYOR.

MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, THERE IS NOTHING NEW TO REPORT ON THE THINGS THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED HERE IN THE PAST.

UM, THAT'S CURRENTLY WORKING ITS WAY THROUGH THE LEGISLATURE.

I WILL GIVE A BRIEF UPDATE BECAUSE IT WAS MENTIONED EARLIER TODAY ON THE TWO RENT CONTROL ITEMS OF INTEREST.

UM, AB 36 IS ONE OF THEM.

IT WAS PULLED BY THE AUTHOR, UH, LATE LAST WEEK, SO IT'S 95, 98% CHANCE NOTHING'S GOING TO HAPPEN WITH IT THIS YEAR.

UM, AB 1482 WAS APPROVED IN THE ASSEMBLY, WENT ONTO THE SENATE AND HAS KIND OF FOUND ITSELF MYERED IN, IN THE SENATE PROCESS.

SO IT'S NOT LIKELY TO GET OUT OF THAT PROCESS.

UM, IT'S GOT A BETTER CHANCE THAN, UM, THAN THE FIRST ONE, BUT NEITHER HAVE A GOOD CHANCE OF, OF MAKING IT THROUGH THE BODIES OR GOING TO THE GOVERNOR.

SO THAT'S THE UPDATE ON THAT AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE AT THIS POINT AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

THANKS VINCE.

I APPRECIATE THAT.

ALL RIGHT.

ITEM 15 IS A PRESENTATION.

OH, WE'VE DONE THAT ALREADY.

THIS BRINGS US TO ITEM NUMBER

[16. Compensation for Executive and Unrepresented Employees (A-29), City Manager and the City Attorney RECOMMENDATION: That the Mayor provides an oral report summarizing recommended changes in compensation for the City’s “local agency executives”; and following the report, that the City Council (1) approves the changes to City Council Policy A-29 described in the report, and reflected on the attachment; and (2) acknowledges the adjustments to the City Manager and City Attorney's compensation in accordance with the terms of their contracts.]

16, COMPENSATION FOR EXECUTIVE AND I'M REPRESENTING THE EMPLOYEES A 29 CITY MANAGER AND CITY ATTORNEY.

FIRST I NEED TO STATE THE CALIFORNIA LAW REQUIRES THAT PRIOR TO TAKING FINAL ACTION ON THE SALARIES, SALARY SCHEDULE OR COMPENSATION PAID IN THE FORM OF FRINGE BENEFITS OF WHAT ARE KNOWN AS LOCAL AGENCY EXECUTIVES.

THE LEGISLATIVE BODY SHALL ORALLY REPORT A SUMMARY, A RECOMMENDATION FOR SUCH FINAL ACTION.

AND THAT MEANS I HAVE TO READ THIS TO A LOCAL AGENCY EXECUTIVE INCLUDES ANY EMPLOYEE OF THE CITY WHO IS NOT SUBJECT TO THE MYERS MILLIE S BROWN ACT.

AND WHO IS THE CITY MANAGER? THE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER.

THE DEPARTMENT HEAD OR WHOSE POSITION IS HELD BY AN EMPLOYEE CONTRACT, WHICH INCLUDES THAT OF THE CITY ATTORNEY.

SO THE PURPOSE FOR, I'M SORRY.

SO FOR THE PURPOSE OF DISCLOSURE, THIS REPORT INCLUDES ACTION ON SALARIES AND COMPENSATION IN THE FORM OF FRINGE BENEFITS FOR THE FOLLOWING LOCAL AGENCY EXECUTIVES, CITY MANAGER, GRAHAM MITCHELL, ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, VINCE DIMAIO, CITY ATTORNEY, MORGAN FOLEY, CITY CLERK, ANGELA CORTEZ, DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.

ANTHONY CHUTE, DIRECTOR OF FINANCE, TREASURER CITY, I'M SORRY, CLAY SHOW.

I'M DIRECTOR OF HUMAN RESOURCES.

MARISOL THORN, DIRECTOR OF INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY.

EXCUSE ME FOR A SECOND.

JUST BAD LUCK.

DIRECTOR OF INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY IS SARA DIAZ, DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS, DICK EPPERSON, DIRECTOR OF RECREATION, FRANK CARSON, FIRE CHIEF, STEVE SWEENEY AND POLICE CHIEF JEFF DAVIS.

NOW FOR THE PROPOSED CHANGES.

FIRST, IT IS PROPOSED THAT EACH OF THESE EMPLOYEES RECEIVE A GENERAL SALARY COST OF LIVING INCREASE OF 2.5% EFFECTIVE JUNE 15TH, 2019 SECOND IS ALSO A PROSE THAT EACH OF THESE EMPLOYEES RECEIVE AN INCREASE IN HIS OR HER CAFETERIA PLAN OF $50 EACH MONTH BEGINNING IN JANUARY OF 2020

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I SHOULD NOTE THAT THERE THAT THE CURRENT BENEFIT IS $1,150 EACH MONTH.

THIRD, IT IS PROPOSED THAT EACH OF THESE EMPLOYEES RECEIVE COMPENSATION IN THE FORM OF A MONTHLY VEHICLE ALLOWANCE IN THE AMOUNT OF $300 WITH THE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER RECEIVING AN ADDITIONAL $100 AS A VEHICLE ALLOWANCE.

IN ADDITION TO THE GENERAL SALARY INCREASES IS PROPOSED AT THE FOLLOWING, LOCAL AGENCY EXECUTIVES RECEIVED SPECIAL INCREASES AS MARKET ADJUSTMENTS AS FOLLOWS, DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, 10% DIRECTOR OF HUMAN RESOURCES, 5% DIRECTOR RECREATION, 7% AND POLICE CHIEF 3% AS FURTHER COMPENSATION IS PROPOSED THAT THE FIRE CHIEF AND THE POLICE CHIEF EACH RECEIVE A NON-PRINCIPAL STIPEND OF $6,000 ONE HALF OF WHICH WOULD BE PAID IN JULY AND THE OTHER HALF PAID IN DECEMBER.

THIS CONCLUDES THE SUMMARY OF PROPOSED CHANGES TO SALARIES AND COMPENSATION IN THE FORM OF FRINGE BENEFITS TO THE CITY'S EXECUTIVES AS REQUIRED BY LAW.

NOW BEFORE WE MOVE ALONG, IS THERE A REPORT FROM THE CITY MANAGER ON THIS MANNER? MR MAYOR MEMBERS? VERY BRIEFLY, AS YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE GOALS THAT WE'VE SET THIS YEAR AS PART OF LABOR NEGOTIATIONS IS TO BRING OUR EMPLOYEES THAT WERE WOEFULLY BEHIND THE MARKET UP, UP, MAYBE NOT TO MARKET, BUT CLOSER TO THAT MARKET MEDIAN.

UM, WE WHEN LOOKING AT YOUR EXECUTIVE TEAM, ALL BUT ONE OF THEM WAS BELOW MARKET.

AND, UM, WE ARE RECOMMENDING GIVING THE SAME COST OF LIVING ADJUSTMENTS THAT WE'VE GIVEN TO THE MPEG, UH, THE MEA AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.

WE THINK THAT'S REASONABLE.

AND THEN, UM, AS THE MAYOR INDICATED, THERE ARE SEVERAL POSITIONS THAT WE'RE ADVOCATING FOR A MARKET ADJUSTMENT.

SHE SHOULD NOTE THAT THIS MARKET ADJUSTMENT ONLY BRINGS ONE ABOVE MARKET, BUT THE OTHERS STILL REMAIN BELOW MARKET BY, BY AN AVERAGE OF 7%.

SO BY NO MEANS ARE WE THE HIGHEST PAID EXECUTIVE TEAM IN THE COUNTY, ALTHOUGH THE BEST, UM, UM, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT, THAT WE THOUGHT WAS IMPORTANT TO BRING SOME FOLKS OUT WERE BELOW 20% THAT WERE FURTHER BELOW 20%.

THE MARK FROM MARKET MEDIAN UP TO SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT MORE REASONABLE.

ALRIGHT.

THANK YOU MR RITUAL.

NEXT TIME I'D LIKE TO ASK CITY COUNCIL IF YOU HAVE ANY DISCUSSION BEFORE WE ASK FOR COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC.

OKAY.

ANGELA, DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS FOR THIS ITEM? NO CARD, SIR.

ALL RIGHT, COUNCIL MEMBERS.

IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHT.

AT THIS POINT WE DO HAVE A MO, UH, WE LOOKING FOR A MOTION MOVE.

ADOPTION.

ALL RIGHT.

WELL WE HAVE A MOTION.

SO MOVE THE SECOND PLEASE.

VOTE.

MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.

ALL RIGHT.

[14. ACTIVITIES REPORTS/COMMENTS OF COUNCILMEMBERS:]

WE ARE AT ACTIVITY REPORTS FOR COUNCIL MEMBERS.

COUNCIL OVER KENDRICK AS REPORTED COUNCIL MEMBER, MCALLEN, DEPUTY MAYOR STEVEN GLOBAL AS REPORTED COUNCIL MEMBER OR T'S AS REPORTED.

UH,

[21. Code of Ethics and Conduct for City Council, Boards, and Commissions RECOMMENDATION: That the City Council directs City staff to prepare an agenda item analyzing the City's current code of ethics and conduct policies and recommend changes to engender trust and confidence in City leadership.]

COUNCIL NUMBER OR T'S ITEM 21 IS ALSO YOURS.

WILL YOU TELL US ABOUT THAT PLEASE? YES, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT UH, I SPOKE ABOUT BEFORE I WAS APPOINTED, UH, WITH REGARD TO A CODE OF CONDUCT.

UH, I KNOW THAT A LOT OF DIFFERENT CITIES HAVE A CODE OF CONDUCT AND I KNOW THAT ANY GOOD AND HEALTHY ORGANIZATION, UH, HAS SOME KIND OF MISSION STATEMENT, VISION STATEMENT.

I KNOW WHEN I WAS IN COLLEGE, I WAS IN A FRATERNITY AND WE HAD A CREED THAT WE LIVE BY AND IF A MEMBER WAS OUTSIDE OF THOSE, THE, THE CREEDS, UH, STANDARDS, WE WOULD FREQUENTLY, UM, REFERENCED THAT, UM, GIVEN MY PREDECESSOR, I THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE TO, TO ADOPT A CODE OF CONDUCT.

WE'RE LEADERS OF OUR CITY AND WE SHOULD BE REPRESENTING IT, UM, WITH THE UTMOST INTEGRITY.

AND I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A GOOD THING IF WE ADOPT A CODE OF CONDUCT OR SOME KIND OF ETHICS CODE OF ETHICS THAT A CITY COUNCILMAN, A BOARD MEMBERS COMMISSION MEMBERS CAN ABIDE BY.

I THINK IT'S GOING TO GIVE, UM, THE PUBLIC A GOOD TOOL TO KNOW, UH, HOW THEIR COUNCIL MEMBERS AND MAYOR AND OTHER ELECTED OFFICIALS AND APPOINTED OFFICIALS SHOULD BE CONDUCTING THEMSELVES, NOT ONLY INSIDE THE COUNCIL BUT OUTSIDE AS WELL.

UM, AND IT'S, IT'S FOR US AS WELL.

I DON'T THINK ANYONE HERE ON THIS COUNCIL IS GOING TO NEED TO BE CALLED OUT FOR ANY KIND OF CODE OF ETHICS, BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE AROUND FOREVER.

AND I BELIEVE IT'S GOING TO SERVE AS A, A GOOD BAROMETER FOR OUR VOTERS AND FUTURE FUTURE GENERATIONS TO, TO ESTABLISH IT POSTED ON THE WEBSITE SO VOTERS AND CONSTITUENTS CAN SEE THAT STANDARD.

SO I DRAFTED, I HAVE SOME WORDS AND I'VE DRAFTED SOMETHING, BUT I'M OPEN TO, YOU KNOW, ANY INPUT OR FEEDBACK OF WITH REGARD TO IT.

I'D LIKE TO READ US WHAT YOU'VE DRAFTED.

UH, DON'T HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME A LITTLE.

THAT'S FINE.

UM, YEAH, HIGH LEVEL, UM, HIGH LEVEL.

I'M THINKING HIGH LEVEL

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VIEWS, NOTHING.

SO WOULD YOU LIKE TO GIVE THAT DRAFT COPY TO THE STAFF, HAVE THEM WORK ON IT AND BRING IT BACK AT THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING? YEAH.

FOR APPROVAL.

YEAH.

THAT WORKED FOR YOUR STAFF? YEAH.

WHAT WE'RE THINKING IS WE COULD ALSO LOOK AT, UM, MR ORTIZ'S LANGUAGE, MAYBE LOOK AT SOME OTHER EXAMPLES FROM OTHER CITIES AND GIVE THE COUNCIL MAYBE SOME OPTIONS FOR DISCUSSION PURPOSE AND THEN MAKE A DECISION AT THAT MEETING IF THAT'S, IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION FROM THE COUNCIL.

GREAT.

THAT'S GREAT.

UM, LET ME, LET ME SEE IF THERE'S, UM, HEY SPEAKER CARS TO THE SIDE OF NO CARD, SIR.

ALL RIGHT.

UH, JUST FOR OUR FORMALITY, I HAVE TO MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

THEN SECOND MOVE.

THE SECOND PLACE VOTE MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.

ALRIGHT, COUNCIL.

I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA.

UH, EVERYBODY UNDERSTAND THAT AND THEN WE'LL, WE'LL SET IT ONTO COUNTLESS STAFF.

THEY'LL BRING IT BACK FOR FINAL APPROVAL.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO DO JUST THAT.

THEN MOVE THE SECOND AND PLEASE VOTE.

MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.

ALL RIGHT.

THERE ARE NO JOINT COUNCILOR REPORTS TODAY.

THERE ARE NO GENERAL INFORMATION ITEMS FOR DISCUSSION.

[22. Introduction of an Ordinance Amending Chapter 3.20 of the El Cajon Municipal Code for Bidding and Written Contracts RECOMMENDATION: That the City Council considers approving an Ordinance amending Chapter 3.20 of the El Cajon Municipal Code ("ECMC") related to Bidding and Written Contracts and, if approved, take the following actions: By Motion, Second and Vote, moves to introduce the Ordinance; and Directs the City Clerk to read the title of the Ordinance.]

ITEM 22 IS THE INTRODUCTION OF AN ORDINANCE AMENDING CHAPTER 3.2 OF THE OKLAHOMA MUNICIPAL CODE STAFF.

WOULD YOU TELL US ABOUT THIS PLEASE? THANK YOU.

MARION COUNCIL.

THIS IS A MINE AS WELL.

WHEN THE VOTERS APPROVED, UM, THE ADOPTION OF THE CITY'S CHARTER, ONE OF THE MORE NOTABLE SECTIONS WITH APPROVE WITH SECTION 400 RELATING TO THE CITY'S ABILITY TO CONDUCT PURCHASING AND CONTRACTING FOR SERVICES, INCLUDING THE CONSTRUCTION OF PUBLIC WORKS PROJECTS WITHOUT THE NECESSITY OF COMPLYING WITH CERTAIN STATE LAWS.

ONE OF THE WAY TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THIS FLEXIBILITY IS TO EXEMPT THE CITY FROM PROVISIONS OF THE PUBLIC CONTRACT CODE, WHICH RECOGNIZES THAT THE CODES PROCEDURES ARE NOT CONSIDERED THAT CODES PROCEDURES ARE NOT CONSIDERED MATTERS OF STATEWIDE CONCERN LEAVING CHARTER CITIES SUCH AS ALCOHOL TO ESTABLISH YOUR OWN PROCEDURES, THE CITY'S ORDINANCE ON BIDDING AND PURCHASING PROCEDURES.

CHAPTER THREE 20 OF THE MISSPOKE CODE STILL RESTRICTS THE CITY TO THOSE PROCEDURES FOUND IN THE PUBLIC CONTRACT CODE TO PROPOSED AMENDMENTS BEFORE YOU TODAY OR IN AN EFFORT TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF OUR CHARTER STATUS AND IN PARTICULAR SECTION 400 TO ADOPT MORE FLEXIBLE PROCEDURES AND REASONABLE THRESHOLDS AND PROCURING GOODS AND SERVICES AND TO SOLICIT BIDS FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF PUBLIC PROJECTS COMMONLY REFERRED TO AS PUBLIC WORKS PROJECTS.

OUR OFFICE WITH INVOLVEMENT AND TREMENDOUS ASSISTANCE OF THE FINANCE AND PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENTS ARE PROPOSING AMENDMENTS TO CHAPTER THREE 20 WHICH WE BELIEVE WILL SPEED UP THE PROCESSES UTILIZED BY THE DEPARTMENTS AND THE PURCHASING AGENT IN THE SOLICITATION OF GOOD SERVICES AND WORKS.

KEY ARE THAT THE CITY NO LONGER WOULD REQUIRE FORMAL BIDDING FOR PUBLIC WORKS CONTRACTS UNDER $200,000 IN VALUE.

CURRENTLY, ANY PUBLIC PROJECT IN EXCESS OF $5,000 REQUIRES COMPLIANCE WITH FORMAL BIDDING AND AWARD BY THE CITY COUNCIL.

THIS SINGLE CHANGE WILL ALLOW MORE COMMON AND MODEST CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS TO MOVE MORE QUICKLY THROUGH THE SYSTEM FROM CONCEPTION TO INITIATION OF WORK AND NATURALLY TO COMPLETION AND OTHER NOTABLE CHANGES TO WAIVE THE NEED FOR BITTER SECURITIES ON THE SAME.

THESE SAME PROJECTS THAT THOSE THEY GO UP TO $200,000 THIS HAS A POTENTIAL OF GAINING MORE AGGRESSIVE BIDS AND POTENTIALLY MORE COMPETITIVE BIDS FROM CONTRACTORS ON THESE SMALLER PROJECTS WHERE THEY DON'T HAVE THE NEED TO OBTAIN THE BID.

FINALLY, THE CHANGES WOULD ALLOW THE CITY MANAGER TO PROCESS THE SOLICITATION OF GOODS AND SERVICES UP TO $75,000 IN VALUE WITHOUT THE NEED TO BRING EACH OF THOSE CONTRACTS TO THE CITY COUNCIL.

THIS CHANGE ALSO CREATES GREATER FLEXIBILITY AND IMPROVED SERVICES WITH OUR VENDORS.

THAT CONCLUDES MY REPORT AND I'M AVAILABLE FOR YOUR QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU, SIR.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR MORGAN? YES, SO CITY MANAGER HAS AUTHORITY UP TO 75,000 WITHOUT COUNCIL APPROVAL.

PUBLIC WORKS IS UNDER 200,000 BUT IT STILL HAS TO COME TO COUNCIL FOR A VOTE.

NO PUP.

IT DOESN'T HAVE TO GO TO FORMAL BIDDING.

I'M SORRY.

THE FORMAL BIDDING ITSELF DOESN'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH, UH, OR THE BIDDING PROCESS DOESN'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH FORMAL BEDS.

THE CITY MANAGER COULD APPROVE PUBLIC WORKS PROJECTS UP TO THE 75,000, BUT UH, ABOVE IT, BETWEEN THE 75 AND THE 200,000 THAT IT WOULD COME TO THE CITY COUNCIL.

OKAY.

SO HOW DO WE KNOW WE'RE GETTING THE BEST PRICE IF WE DON'T HAVE A FORMAL BID OR IS IT SOME INFORMAL BIDDING PROCESS THAT TAKES PLACE? THAT'S CORRECT.

UH, COUNCIL MEMBER KENDRICK, THERE IS PRESENTLY IN PLACE, UH, BUT AT LOWER LEVELS, THE PROCESS WHERE WE USE COMPARATIVE SOLICITATION OF PROPOSALS, WE HAVE, UH, CERTAIN LEVELS THAT ALLOW, UH, SHOPPING FOR OPEN, UH, OPEN MARKET PURCHASES.

AND THEN ABOVE THAT IT WOULD BE, UM, UH, RECEIVING SEALED QUOTES.

SO WE DO AN RFQ PROCESS AS OPPOSED TO THE RF P R OR THE, THE REQUEST FOR BIDS.

UH, THIS WOULD SIMPLY EXTEND THOSE THRESHOLDS SO

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THAT WE COULD TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THOSE SAME PROCEDURES AND THEY'RE BUILT INTO THE ORDINANCE REQUIRING OUR PURCHASING AGENT TO GO FORWARD AND, AND OBTAIN THEM THROUGH THREE, NOT LESS THAN THREE SOURCES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT, THANKS ELSA.

DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS? NO CARDS THERE.

SORRY, MR MAYOR.

I GOT ONE MORE COMMENT.

GO AHEAD.

YOU KNOW, IN LIGHT OF A RECENT SITUATION WITH ANOTHER AGENCY WHO HAD A CONTRACT ARE RELATED TO SOMEBODY ASSOCIATED WITH THE DISTRICT, WE CERTAINLY WANT TO BE AWARE AND TRANSPARENT WITH THE PUBLIC THAT WE DON'T GET IN THAT SAME OF SITUATION.

SO ALTHOUGH WE ARE INCREASING THE AUTHORITY PERHAPS TO REAL VOTE, UH, WE CERTAINLY WANT TO EMPHASIZE THE RESPONSIBILITY THAT COMES WITH THAT, UM, DISCRETION.

FAIR ENOUGH.

ALL RIGHT.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION OR WOULD SOMEONE LIKE TO PROCEED WITH A MOTION? MAYBE THE OPTION.

MOVE TO THE SECOND AND PLEASE VOTE.

MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.

AND WITH YOUR PERMISSION, SIR, I'LL READ THE TITLE TO THE ORDINANCE PLEASE.

AN ORDINANCE AMENDING CHAPTER 3.2 OF TITLE THREE OF THE OKLAHOMA.

AND THE CIVIL CODE ADDRESSING BIDDING AND WRITTEN CONTRACT.

THANK YOU.

.

THERE ARE NO SECOND READINGS OF ORGANISMS ON TODAY'S AGENDA.

WE ARE NOW CLOSE

[23. CLOSED SESSIONS:]

SESSION.

MR CITY.

ATTORNEY, WE PLEASE RECITE THE TITLE AND LEAD US IN THE CLOSED SESSION.

THANK YOU.

MAYOR OF THE CITY COUNCIL WOULD BE MEETING CLOSED SESSION FOR A CONFERENCE WITH ITS LEGAL COUNSEL AND EXISTING LITIGATION PURSUANT TO PARAGRAPH ONE OF SUBDIVISION D OF GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION FIVE FOUR NINE FIVE 6.9 THE NAME OF THE CASE IS MURPHY AND PITS LEE AT ALL VERSUS A CITY OF ALCOHOL.

I MAKE A MOTION THAT WAY.

THEY ADJOURN THE CLOSED SESSION.

MOVING SECOND AND PLEASE VOTE.

MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN WON'T BE VERY LONG AND WE'LL AFTER CLOSE SESSION WE'LL COME BACK AND CONCLUDE THE MEETING MATTER OF EXISTING LITIGATION.

AND THEN, UM, THE CASE HAS IDENTIFIED BEFORE WE WENT INTO CLOSED SESSION, UH, THE CITY COUNCIL UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED, UH, THE, UH, SETTLEMENT OF THE CASE THAT IS DESCRIBED IN THE AGENDA.

UH, THE VOTE, UH, AS I SAID WAS UNANIMOUS BUT WAS MADE ON THE MOTION OF MAYOR WELLS, SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER GOLDWELL.

UH, THE, THE ACTION WAS ALSO TO AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER TO SIGN THE SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT ON BEHALF OF THE CITY.

ALL RIGHT.

THEN THIS BRINGS US TO A GERMAN, THE GERMAN RAILROAD JOINT MEETING OF THE CITY COUNCIL.

ELK HOME HOUSING AUTHORITY HELD THIS 11TH DAY OF JUNE, 2019 IS ADJOURNED TILL TUESDAY, JUNE 11TH, 2019 AT 7:00 PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.