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[ CALL TO ORDER: Mayor Bill Wells]
TO THE ELCON CITY COUNCIL MEETING.THE MEETING IS NOW CALLED TO ORDER, AND I WILL ASK OUR CITY CLERK TO PLEASE CALL THE ROLE ALL COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE PRESENT.
WOULD YOU ALL STAND WITH ME FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE AND THE REMAIN STANDING? FOR A BRIEF MOMENT OF SILENCE, I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
[ POSTINGS: The City Clerk posted Orders of Adjournment of the November 14, 2023, Meeting and the Agenda of the December 12, 2023, Meetings in accordance to State Law and City Council/Housing Authority/Successor Agency to the Redevelopment Agency Policy.]
CLERK POSTED ORDERS OF ADJOURNMENT ON THE NOVEMBER 14TH, 2023 MEETING AND THE AGENDA OF THE DECEMBER 12TH, 2023 MEETING IN ACCORDANCE WITH STATE LAW, CITY COUNCIL AND HOUSING AUTHORITY POLICY.UH, BEFORE WE GET STARTED, I WANT, I HAVE A VERY IMPORTANT PIECE OF BUSINESS TO TALK ABOUT, AND THAT IS THE BIRTHDAY OF OUR COUNCIL PERSON, MICHELLE MITCHELL, WOULD YOU ALL, UH, SING WITH ME? HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU.
HAPPY BIRTHDAY, MICHELLE MITCHELL.
[ PRESENTATIONS: Chamber of Commerce Annual Update Octoberstache]
THE PRESENTATION FOR THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE TO THE JANUARY MEETING, AND NOW WE HAVE A PRESENTATION FROM OSTER, OCTOBER STASH.AND, UH, FIRE CHIEF COLE IS HERE TO TELL US ABOUT THIS CHIEF.
GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR WELLS, THE COUNCIL STAFF.
IT'S MY HONOR TO PRESENT TO YOU FIREFIGHTER LUDA, WHO IS THE DRIVING FORCE BEHIND THIS PROGRAM.
IT, IT'S ABSOLUTELY AMAZING WHAT THE GROUP HAS DONE.
THEY, UH, DO FUNDRAISING AND COMMUNITY OUTREACH, AND THIS PROGRAM HAS BEEN NOW IN, IN PLAY CLOSE TO 10 YEARS.
AND SO WITH THAT, I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO FIREFIGHTER KENOSHA, JUST THE, OKAY.
I'M A FIREFIGHTER PARAMEDIC WITH HEARTLAND FIRE AND RESCUE HERE IN THE CITY OF EL CAJON.
UM, I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE TO YOU GUYS OCTOBER STASH.
I KNOW SOME OF YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN AWARE AND PARTICIPATED IN THIS, UM, BUT HERE'S A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHO WE ARE.
SO WHAT IS OCTOBER STASH? UM, IT'S A NON-PROFIT FUNDRAISER RAN BY OFF-DUTY FIREFIGHTERS.
UM, IT'S COMPRISED OF MAINLY THREE EVENTS THROUGH THE MONTHS OF OCTOBER, SEPTEMBER, AND OCTOBER.
UM, FROM THE FIRST EVENT WE ALL SHAVE OUR FACES, CLEAN, SHAVEN, MUSTACHES, EVERYTHING'S GONE.
AND THEN, UH, FOR THE FINAL EVENT, WE'LL COMPETE FOR WHO HAS THE BEST MUSTACHE, UH, GROWN OUT FOR THAT TIME PERIOD.
THESE EVENTS ARE TRADITIONALLY HELD AT EAST COUNTY ESTABLISHMENTS TO HELP BRING RECOGNITION BACK TO OUR LOCAL BUSINESSES.
AND A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE STORY ABOUT HOW IT ALL BEGAN.
SO IT STARTED OUT AS FRIENDLY COMPETITION AMONGST THE FIRE CREWS.
UM, EVERYBODY WOULD THROW MONEY INTO A POT, UH, SHAVE AT THE BEGINNING OF OCTOBER, AND AT THE END SOMEBODY WOULD RATE 'EM AND IT WAS A WINNER TAKE ALL POT.
UM, THIS EVENTUALLY GREW TO BE SOMETHING A LOT MORE.
UH, THANKS TO ROB LATCH AND JIM BRIDGER TO, UH, ELON FIREFIGHTERS AT THE TIME.
IN 2009, THEY WERE ABLE TO GET US A 5 0 1 C3 TAX CODE, AND THAT'S WHERE THE EL CAJON PROFESSIONAL FIREFIGHTERS FOUNDATION WAS BORN OVER THESE YEARS.
UH, IT STARTED OUT WITH ROBIN, UH, JIM.
AND, UH, THIS HAS BEEN PASSED ON TO JOHN NEVIN, UH, IRWIN SANCHEZ, GABE OLI, AND NOW TO MYSELF.
SO IN 2010, UH, JOHN SANCHO IS A FIREFIGHTER HERE IN THE CITY OF EL CAJON.
SHE WAS DIAGNOSED WITH BREAST CANCER.
UH, THIS, SHE WAS ACTUALLY THE FIRST RECIPIENT, EXCUSE ME.
UM, ALL THE FIREFIGHTERS PITCHED IN MONEY INTO A POT, AND AT THE END OF THE MONTH, THEY WERE ABLE TO RAISE ABOUT $1,100.
UM, THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THAT IS THAT WAS JUST THE ELCON UNIT AT THE TIME.
THE NEXT YEAR, UM, ELCON PD JOINED US, UH, FOR THE MUSCULAR DYSTROPHY ASSOCIATION.
AND THEN AFTER THAT, UM, AS HEARTLAND, UM, LA MESA AND LEMON GROVE ALSO JOINED.
SO JUST IN 2012, WE ONLY HAD FOUR LOCALS, UM, THAT PARTICIPATED IN THIS.
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HOW MANY WE'VE ACTUALLY GROWN THAT UP TO.SO OVER THIS PERIOD OF 14 YEARS, I'M HAPPY TO SAY THAT WE'VE RAISED ROUGHLY OVER, UH, $300,000, UH, FOR RECIPIENTS, UH, MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY, UM, ALL THROUGH THESE EVENTS.
SO HERE ARE SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE PEOPLE THAT WE'VE SPONSORED.
AND THEN AT THE TOP WE ALSO HAVE THE LOCAL BUSINESSES THAT WE TRY TO HOST THAT.
SO 2013 WAS ACTUALLY THE YEAR I GOT HIRED, AND THAT WAS AT DOWNTOWN CAFE.
WE HAD THE MAKE-A-WISH FOUNDATION AT URBAN PIZZA CHALLENGE ATHLETES.
AND WE HAVE LOCAL MEMBERS, UH, FROM THE COMMUNITY AND THEN FAMILIES FROM WITHIN THE DEPARTMENTS.
SO THEY'RE HERE JUST A FEW TO, UM, TO LIST THEM.
AND THEN AGAIN, COMING BACK TO THE COURTYARD MARRIOTT WHEN THEY FIRST OPENED, AND THEN ANOTHER YEAR AT COURTYARD MARRIOTT.
SO A LOT OF PEOPLE ASK, UH, HOW IT IS THAT WE RAISE ALL THIS MONEY.
AND THE MAIN WAY THAT WE RAISE MONEY IS THROUGH, IS THROUGH THESE EVENTS.
AND THESE ARE ACTUALLY THE TWO RECIPIENTS FROM THIS YEAR, THE JAGER FAMILY AND THE DURRELL FAMILY.
BUT, UH, WE GET A LOT OF SUPPORT FROM OUR LOCAL BUSINESSES.
HERE ARE SOME OF 'EM THAT HAVE DONATED IN OUR PAST, UH, PAST EVENTS.
UM, THESE PRI, THESE PRIZES THAT THEY DONATE, UM, THEY'LL EITHER DONATE SOMETHING OF VALUE LIKE, UH, HOME DEPOTS DONATED, CHAINSAWS LAKE KU ME HAS DONATED LIKE FREE NIGHTS STAY AT THEIR, UH, LOCAL RESORT.
UH, WE WILL DO THESE FOR AN OPPORTUNITY DRAWING AND OPPORTUNITY DRAWINGS ARE REALLY, UM, WHAT HELPS US GENERATE MONEY.
AND THEN SOME OF 'EM WILL COME OUT AND, UH, HAVE A DIRECT MONETARY DONATION.
SO THE MAIN, UH, ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT YOU'LL SEE ON THE RIGHT SIDE ON THIS PICTURE, UM, ARE THE T-SHIRTS THAT WE'VE HAD OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS.
UM, SOME OF THESE YOU'LL SEE WALKING UP AND DOWN THE STREET.
UH, WE CREATE A NEW DESIGN EVERY YEAR AND THEN WE TRY TO ORIENT THEM SOMEHOW TO THE RECIPIENT OF THAT YEAR.
UM, JUST FOR A LITTLE BIT OF RECOGNITION, THE BACKS OF THE SHIRTS WILL HAVE LOCALS OR UNIONS, DIFFERENT UNION GROUPS ON THE BACK WHO ALL DONATE MONEY TO GET ONTO THE BACK, ALONG WITH THE LOCAL BUSINESSES THAT WILL HELP SUPPORT OUR MAIN EVENTS.
SO HERE ARE A LIST OF ALL THE DIFFERENT UNIONS AND LABOR GROUPS THAT HAVE JOINED OUR, UM, CAUSE OVER THE YEARS.
UM, I'M HAPPY TO SAY THAT 14 OF THEM ARE STILL IN SUPPORT.
UM, AND THE REASON WHY SOME OF THEM DROP OUT IS LIKE SAN DIEGO CITY ACTUALLY STOPPED CONTRIBUTING TO OURS, I GUESS, IN A SENSE.
AND THEY ACTUALLY STARTED THEIR OWN.
SO WE'RE INFLUENCING OTHER, OTHER DEPARTMENTS AND COMMUNITIES INTO GROWING SOMETHING A LOT BIGGER.
SO HERE'S A PICTURE FROM SOME OF THE EVENTS THAT WE'VE HAD IN THE PAST.
UM, OUR FINAL EVENTS ARE USUALLY THE LARGEST GATHERINGS THAT WE'LL HAVE.
WE'VE ESTIMATED ABOUT OVER 800 PEOPLE ATTEND EACH EVENT, UM, FOR THE FINALES.
IF YOU HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO ATTEND, UM, I HIGHLY ADVISE YOU TRY TO MAKE ONE.
UM, IT'S QUITE AMAZING TO SEE HOW MANY PEOPLE FROM THE COMMUNITY, LOCAL DEPARTMENTS, FIRE DEPARTMENTS, POLICE DEPARTMENTS, HOSPITAL STAFF, UH, PRIVATE AMBULANCE COMPANIES, EVERYBODY COMES OUT FOR ONE COMMON CAUSE AND, UH, WE'RE ABLE TO DO A LOT.
SO, UH, IF YOU HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT WHO WE'VE SUPPORTED IN THE PAST, UM, YOU CAN FOLLOW US ON SOCIAL MEDIA.
THAT'S BASICALLY HOW WE GET OUR WORD OUT.
SO, UH, CHECK US OUT AND, UM, LET ME KNOW IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
ANY QUESTIONS? JUST A COMMENT.
I MEAN, IT'S NO SURPRISE THAT EL CAJONS LEADING THE REGION, BUT THIS, AND I GOTTA SAY, THE PEOPLE AND FAMILIES THAT THE DONATIONS GO TO THAT YOU GUYS PICK ARE INCREDIBLE.
YOU GUYS HAVE TOLD ME A HANDFUL OF THE FAMILIES AND JUST SO THE PUBLIC KNOWS THESE FAMILIES ARE IN CRISIS, UM, THEY'VE USUALLY SUFFERED SOME KIND OF A TRAUMATIC INJURY AND, UH, THIS FIREFIGHTER COMMUNITY STEPS IN AND REALLY HELPS 'EM OUT REALLY AT THEIR LOWEST POINT.
AND SINCE YOU GUYS HAVE TRANSITIONED, I, I KNOW THAT YOU GUYS DONATED, UM, MONEY TO ORGANIZATIONS, BUT NOW THAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING IT TO FAMILIES, I MEAN, I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW INCREDIBLE OF A STORY IT IS.
AND, UH, SO THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU'RE DOING ON THE CLOCK AND OFF THE CLOCK.
'CAUSE THIS IS ALL OFF THE CLOCK STUFF, BUT YOU'RE STILL SERVING THE COMMUNITY, SO I APPRECIATE IT.
AND HEY, PLEASE LET US KNOW, UM, IN ADVANCE NEXT TIME WHEN, WHEN THE NEXT, UH,
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EVENT IS AWESOME.IT WON'T BE UNTIL, UH, NEXT SEPTEMBER, BUT UH, I'LL BE SURE TO PASS IT ON.
AS THEY'RE SITTING DOWN, I JUST WANNA, UM, EXPRESS OUR GRATITUDE TO THEM.
UH, AS COUNCIL MEMBER ORTIZ SAID, THIS HAPPENS NOT ON CITY TIME.
AND, UH, IT'S, IT'S, UH, AMAZING.
IT'S HEARTWARMING HOW CONNECTED OUR EMPLOYEES ARE TO OUR COMMUNITY.
IT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY LOVE.
UM, AND WE KNOW THAT WE, WE GIVE OUR TIME AND OUR MONEY TO THE THINGS THAT WE LOVE.
AND CLEARLY THE, OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT, OUR STAFF, THEY LOVE OUR COMMUNITY.
OKAY, UM, THAT BRINGS US TO AGENDA CHANGES.
STAFF, DO YOU HAVE ANY AGENDA CHANGES? NO, SIR.
[7. CONSENT ITEMS: Consent Items are routine matters enacted by one motion according to the RECOMMENDATION listed below. With the concurrence of the City Council, a Council Member or person in attendance may request discussion of a Consent Item at this time.]
TO CONSENT ITEMS. CONSENT ITEMS ARE ROUTINE MATTERS ENACTED BY ONE MOTION ACCORDING TO THE RECOMMENDATION LISTED BELOW WITH THE CONCURRENCE OF THE CITY COUNCIL.A COUNCIL MEMBER OR PERSON IN ATTENDANCE MAY REQUEST DISCUSSION OF A CONSENT ITEM AT THIS TIME.
COUNCIL MEMBERS, DO YOU WISH TO PULL ANY OF THE CONSENT ITEMS? YES.
UH, WHICH ONE? NUMBER SIX PLEASE.
AND YEAH, REALLY BRIEFLY, I HAD A QUESTION FROM THE PUBLIC WITH REGARD TO THE NUMBER OF, UH, ORGANIZATIONS OR COMPANIES THAT BID THIS PROJECT.
AND I THINK IT WAS ONE, BUT I THINK IT'D BE HELPFUL FOR THE PUBLIC, UH, IF WE HAD SOME KIND OF AN EXPLANATION AS TO WHY THERE WAS ONLY ONE BIDDER.
UM, AND I THINK THE CONCERN WAS SHOULDN'T THERE THERE BE MORE BIDDERS FOR A PROJECT? I DON'T KNOW IF THE CITY MANAGER COULD, COULD WEIGH IN FOR A SECOND.
CERTAINLY WE ALWAYS WANT AS MANY BIDDERS AS POSSIBLE.
'CAUSE THEN WE KNOW WE'RE GETTING, UM, THE MOST COMPETITIVE PROCESS.
IN FACT, YOU'LL SEE AN AGENDA ITEM LATER TODAY WHERE THERE WERE SEVEN BIDDERS ON IT.
IT WAS, AND THEY WERE FANTASTIC.
UM, HOWEVER, WHEN WE PUT OUT AN RFP OR A BID, THERE'S CERTAIN MINIMUM QUALIFICATIONS THAT A FIRM HAS TO MEET.
AND AS LONG AS THEY MEET THEM AND, AND THE DOLLAR AMOUNT IS WITHIN THE ENGINEER'S, UH, ESTIMATE, THEN IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO MOVE THEM FORWARD.
WE CAN'T ENTICE BUSINESSES TO APPLY.
IF IT DOESN'T, IT'S NOT IN THEIR WHEELHOUSE OR THE TIMING IS WRONG, UH, WE CAN'T FORCE THAT TO HAPPEN.
THERE ARE SOMETIMES, HOWEVER, IF SOMEONE COMES IN AND, AND THE BIDS COME IN REALLY HIGH OR A BID COMES IN REALLY HIGH ABOVE THE ENGINEER'S ESTIMATE, SOMETIMES WE'LL EVALUATE THAT AND SAY, WELL, ARE THERE CONDITIONS OF THE MARKET? ARE THERE A COUPLE FIRMS THAT TYPICALLY WOULD'VE APPLIED BUT COULDN'T? 'CAUSE THEY'RE FINISHING UP BIG JOBS AND WE MAY REAPPLY IT OR REBID IT AT THAT POINT, BUT IN THIS CASE IT FELL WITHIN THE PARAMETERS OF THE BID.
UM, IT'S A COMPANY THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH IN THE PAST AND IN FACT THEY'RE, UH, THIS IS A PHASE TWO OF THE PROJECT AND THEY'RE ACTUALLY HANDLING PHASE ONE RIGHT NOW.
SO THEY HAVE A LOT OF FAMILIARITY WITH THE PROJECT.
SO I WOULD RECOMMEND TO THE COUNCIL THAT WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS PROJECT.
AND THIS CAME UNDER BUDGET, IS THAT THE BID CAME IN, THE WHOLE PROJECT IS UNDER BUDGET, CORRECT? IT WOULD, IT'S WITHIN THE ESTIMATE.
IT'S WITHIN THE ESTIMATE THE ENGINEER'S ESTIMATE? CORRECT.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO, UH, APPROVE ALL CONSENT ITEMS THEN SECOND, SIR.
UH, BEFORE, BEFORE WE DO THAT, UM, STAFF, DID YOU HAVE ANY CONSENT ITEMS THAT YOU WANTED TO PULL? I BELIEVE WE HAVE, UH, A SPEAKER ON TWO OF THE CONSENT ITEMS. YEAH, IT'S, IT'S CALL SPEAKERS.
BACK IN FESTIVE RED AND I SAY IT'S BEEN A COUPLE OF DAYS 'CAUSE I SEE BILL IT SAND EGG ALL THE TIME.
FIRST IS A PAYMENT OF WARRANTS THE SAME THING AS A PAYMENT OF DEMANDS? I ACTUALLY HAVE NO IDEA.
UM, I DO NOT APPROVE OF THE PAYMENT OF WARRANTS NOT BEING ATTACHED WITH WITHIN THE AGENDA PACKET.
THAT'S NOT TRANSPARENT SPENDING BY CITY GOVERNMENT, OTHER CITIES INCLUDED IN THE PDF AGENDA PACKET.
SO I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT HERE AS WELL, BECAUSE I DON'T WANNA SEE ANY INFORMATION MISSING, LIKE SAND, EGG'S TOLL COLLECTION.
LET ME, THE CITY MANAGER, WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE WARRANT AND A PAYMENT? THEY, THEY ARE, IT'S A RECORD OF THE PAYMENTS THAT WE'VE MADE AND THE COUNCIL'S HAS A CHANCE TO REVIEW AND RATIFY THOSE.
UM, SOME SMALLER CITIES THAT I'VE WORKED FOR DO INCLUDE THEM AS PART OF THE AGENDA PACKET.
UM, COUNCIL CAN ALWAYS ASK TO SEE THEM.
IN FACT, MR. GOEBBELS HOLDING UP THE WARRANTS RIGHT NOW.
SO THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD INCREASE THE SIZE OF THE, THE AGENDA PACKET BY THAT MUCH.
SO, UM, THEY'RE ALWAYS AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC.
UH, WE, WE'D LOVE FOR THE PUBLIC TO COME DOWN INTO CITY HALL TO LOOK AT THEM OR WE CAN SEND 'EM A PDF COPY OF THOSE THINGS.
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THAT'S WHY I STAYED HERE.OH, YOU HAVE ANOTHER ONE? OKAY.
TIME MANAGEMENT, MEETING MANAGEMENT IS WHAT THEY CALL IT.
AND THIS IS ACTUALLY GONNA BE RELATED TO THAT GIGANTIC PACK OF PAYMENT OF WARRANTS.
I'VE SPOKEN ABOUT THIS ITEM PROBABLY 20 TIMES, UH, OVER MY LIFETIME SO FAR IN THE LAST YEAR.
AND IT'S BECAUSE I LIKE TRANSPARENCY.
UH, SO I WOULD LIKE, I'D SAY PASSING ITEMS WITHOUT READING ORDINANCES, PASSING ORDINANCES WITHOUT READING THEM IN FULL.
BECAUSE MUCH LIKE WHAT STEVE JUST HELD UP, SOME ORDINANCES CAN BE SIMILAR TO THAT AND I UNDERSTAND THAT.
BUT WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS, INSTEAD OF JUST THE TITLE BEING READ, I'D LIKE TO SEE, UH, LIKE A ONE LINE SHORT SUMMARY OF WHAT THE ITEM IS.
THEY DON'T READ ANYTHING IN THE AGENDA.
IF YOU'RE LUCKY, THEY MIGHT READ THE TITLE.
SO I WOULD LIKE IT 'CAUSE YOU NEVER KNOW.
THERE COULD BE DECEPTION NOT BY YOU GUYS.
I DON'T THINK YOU GUYS ARE DECEPTIVE, BUT MAYBE SOMEBODY IN THE FUTURE WILL BE, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE A TITLE THAT SOUNDS REALLY GOOD AND IT'S GONNA BE SOMETHING REALLY BAD CONTAINED.
AND IF I GIVE EVERYBODY EXAMPLE JUST OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, THE PATRIOT ACT, IT SOUNDS SO GOOD, MAKES YOU FEEL ALL WARM AND FUZZY AND AMERICAN.
BUT THEN WHEN YOU READ IT, YOU FIND OUT IT'S EVERYTHING THAT'S UN-AMERICAN, TAKES AWAY ALL YOUR RIGHTS.
UM, BUT I, YOU KNOW WHAT? I ALMOST MAKES ME CHANGE MY DECISION.
ONLY ONE PERSON ALMOST MADE ME CHANGE MY POSITION ON THIS ITEM.
AND THAT WAS THE MAYOR OF NATIONAL CITY, RON, BECAUSE HE SAID MUCH LIKE STEVE JUST DID, HE HELD UP.
HE SAID, LOOK, IT'S 40 PAGES IF YOU WANT ME TO READ THE WHOLE THING, BUT I THINK I FORGOT TO SAY JUST A ONE LINE SUMMARY WOULD BE GREAT.
ANYBODY ELSE? NO OTHER CARD, SIR.
OKAY, THEN, UH, PHIL, JUST, UH, WOULD YOU MIND RESTATING YOUR MOTION? MOVE TO APPROVE CONSENT ITEMS SECOND.
MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.
[ PUBLIC COMMENT: At this time, any person may address a matter within the jurisdiction of the City Council/Housing Authority/Successor Agency to the El Cajon Redevelopment Agency that is not on the Agenda. Comments relating to items on today’s docket are to be taken at the time the item is heard. State law prohibits discussion or action on items not on the Agenda; however, Council, Authority and Agency Members may briefly respond to statements or questions. An item may be placed on a future Agenda.]
RIGHT.THAT BRINGS US TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
AT THIS TIME, ANY PERSON MAY ADDRESS A MATTER WITHIN THE JURISDICTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL HOUSING AUTHORITY SUCCESSOR AGENCY TO THE EL CAJON REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY THAT IS NOT ON THE AGENDA.
COMMENTS RELATING TO ITEMS ON TODAY'S AGENDA ARE TO BE TAKEN AT THE TIME THAT THE ITEM IS HEARD.
STATE LAW PROHIBITS DISCUSSION OR ACTION ON ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA.
HOWEVER, CITY COUNCIL AND HOUSING AUTHORITY MEMBERS MAY BRIEFLY RESPOND TO STATEMENTS OR QUESTIONS.
AND OF COURSE, AN ITEM MAY BE PLACED ON A FUTURE AGENDA.
ANGELA, DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? YES, SIR.
THE FIRST ONE IS REBECCA BRANSTETTER
UM, I'M REBECCA BRANSTETTER FROM THE EAST COUNTY HOMELESS TASK FORCE AND CASA, WHICH STANDS FOR COMMUNITY ACTION SERVICE AND ADVOCACY.
AND I'M A PROUD RESIDENT OF EL CAJON.
I KNOW YOU HAVE A FULL DAY AND A LONG NIGHT AHEAD OF YOU, SO I'LL KEEP THIS BRIEF.
BUT BEFORE THE YEAR COMES TO AN END, I JUST WANTED TO FILL YOU IN ON SOME OF THE ACCOMPLISHMENTS OF THE TASK FORCE IN 2023.
OUR, UH, SHELTER AND HOUSING SOLUTIONS GROUP MEETS MONTHLY ON THE SECOND FRIDAY FROM ONE TO 2:00 PM AND WE APPRECIATE COUNCIL MEMBER MITCHELL'S REGULAR PARTICIPATION THERE THIS YEAR.
SOME OF THE TOPICS WE COVERED WERE SSB FOUR, UH, THE COUNTY'S CRISIS STABILIZATION UNIT AND RECOVERY BRIDGE CENTER THAT'S COMING TO EL CAJON IN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS.
AND THAT WAS HELD DURING MENTAL HEALTH MONTH IN MAY.
THE COUNTY'S NEW LONG-TERM AND STABLE HOUSING SOLUTIONS PLAN, THE ENCAMPMENT RESOLUTIONS PROGRAM ALONG THE SAN DIEGO RIVER.
WE ARE EXCITED FOR THIS COOPERATIVE EFFORT AMONG THE COUNTY, THE CITY OF SANTEE AND THE CITY OF, UH, SAN DIEGO, TO RELOCATE HOMELESS INDIVIDUALS AND FAMILIES FROM THE RIVERBED BY PROVIDING INTENSE HOUSING NAVIGATION AND CASE MANAGEMENT.
LAST WEEK FOR OUR DECEMBER MEETING, WE HIGHLIGHTED THE INTERFAITH SHELTER NETWORK AS THEY GEAR UP TO START UP THEIR ROTATIONAL SHELTER PROGRAM NEXT MONTH.
UM, THE TASK FORCE ALSO PARTICIPATED IN ALL FOUR OF THE TOWN HALL MEETINGS THAT, UM, THAT EL CAJON HELD ON HOMELESSNESS THIS PAST WINTER AND SPRING.
AND, AND AS AN ASIDE, I GOTTA TELL YOU, IT'S REALLY GRATEFUL TO KNOW, UH, GRATIFYING TO KNOW THAT THE CITY LISTENS TO YOUR CONSTITUENTS.
UM, WHEN WE RECEIVED THE HOUSING OFFICES LETTER IN EARLY 22 ASKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO FOR, FOR, UM, UH, TO MEET HOMELESS NEEDS? I SUGGESTED THAT WE INVEST IN SOME COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND EDUCATION, UM, AND MAYBE WITH FOCUS GROUPS IN EACH DISTRICT.
AND YOU DELIVERED, UH, YOU INCLUDED REPORTS FROM A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS WHOSE, WHOSE WORK TOUCHES ON HOMELESSNESS AND PEOPLE FACING HOUSING INSECURITY.
AND YOU DELIBERATELY GATHERED INPUT FROM THE PEOPLE IN THE ROOM, UM, FROM EVERYBODY WHO ATTENDED.
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AND, AND I ALSO WANNA SAY HATS OFF TO YOUR COMMUNICATIONS DEPARTMENT BECAUSE YOU ADAPTED THAT PROGRAM FOR SUCCESSIVE MEETINGS AND FOR SPECIFIC, UM, SPECIFIC GROUPS.AND, AND I, OUR, AS A RESIDENT OF EL CAJON, I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR SEEKING INPUT AS YOU DEVELOP POLICY FOR GETTING BACK TO THE TASK FORCE.
UM, WE DID RESUME AT LAST, OUR IN-PERSON MEETINGS IN APRIL WITH A FULL HOUSE AT GROSSMONT COMMUNITY COLLEGE.
UM, ASSEMBLY MEMBER CHRIS WARD, WHO WAS VISITING A NEW SPOT IN HIS NEWLY DRAWN DISTRICT AT GROSSMONT COMMUNITY COLLEGE WELCOMED US AND WE ARE THRILLED TO HAVE A NEW, UH, PARTNERSHIP WITH THEM.
WE HAVE A, A PART OF THAT STARTED A FAITH-BASED COMMUNITIES INITIATIVE THAT YOU HELPED KICK OFF WITH THE TOWN HALL MEETING AT FLETCHER HILLS' PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH.
YOU HAD ONE SECOND LEFT TO GO.
DID YOU, DID YOU PRACTICE THAT? IT TURNS ALL NIGHT LAST NIGHT.
THANK LEMME SEE IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS FOR YOU.
ALL RIGHT, SO NOW I CAN TALK A LITTLE MORE FREE.
IT'S BEEN NINE MONTHS SINCE I'VE BEEN BACK, WHICH IS TOO LONG.
BUT LIFE WAS FULL OF MANY MEETINGS AS SOME OF YOU KNOW.
IN FACT, I ACTUALLY DITCHED THE CITY OF SAN DIEGO TO BE HERE WITH YOU GUYS.
I LITERALLY EVEN LEFT FOOD ON THE TABLE TO BE HERE.
BUT YOU KNOW WHAT'S FUNNY? THE VERY FIRST TIME I CAME TO SPEAK AT THE CITY COUNCIL, I SPOKE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE APRS.
I'VE SPOKEN SEVERAL TIMES MORE SINCE THAT TIME AT SIMPLE QUESTION.
IF CAMERAS ARE THE SOLUTION TO CRIME, THEN WHY WOULDN'T YOU GUYS, EVERYONE BUT PHIL WERE GROWING UP.
THERE WERE LESS CAMERAS AND LESS CRIME.
THAT'S 'CAUSE YOU'RE HOPING TO BANDAID A SOCIETAL ISSUE THAT REALLY NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED AT HOME.
PUTTING UP OVER 970 A LPR SPY CAMERAS ALL OVER THE COUNTY SO FAR JUST TO CATCH STOLEN VEHICLES MAKES AS MUCH, MUCH SENSE AS SAYING DEFUND THE POLICE.
JUST 'CAUSE THERE'S A FEW BAD APPLES.
IT'S TREATING EVERYONE LIKE THEIR CRIMINAL RATHER THAN AS INNOCENT LIKE OUR LAW DEMANDS.
AND THE STATE IS HELPING THE A LPR CORPORATION FLOCK BUILD A MONOPOLY ON OUR PRIVACY.
THEY'RE WORLDWIDE FROM THE STATE'S ORGANIZED RETAIL THEFT PREVENTION GRANT.
CITIES SUCH AS CHULA VISTA AND NATIONAL CITY GOT MILLIONS TO PUT UP ALPS.
IF THIS IS REALLY FOR RETAIL THEFT PREVENTION, WHY NOT HELP THE STORES THAT HAVE PRODUCTS BEHIND LOCK AND KEY? AND SINCE WHEN DID THE CRAZIES RUNNING THIS STATE CARE ANYTHING ABOUT THEFT? WHEN THEY TURN A BLIND TO JUSTICE I TO A THOUSAND DOLLARS IN THEFT, THEIR CRIMINAL ACTIONS ARE BEING USED AS THE JUSTIFICATION FOR CREATING A POLICE STATE.
AND THIS DATA IS SHARED WITH OTHER CITIES.
WHILE THE CRIMINALS WHO ENTER OUR COUNTRY ILLEGALLY DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THEIR DATA BEING SHARED WITH IMMIGRATION.
AND ACCORDING TO BOTH SANDAG AND FBI STATS, OVERALL CRIME IS ACTUALLY DOWN.
SO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE CONTINUE TO HAVE A RIGHT TO NOT BE FILMED 24 HOURS A DAY, TRACKING OUR CARS AND ASSOCIATED VEHICLES, WHO OUR FRIENDS ARE.
DOESN'T MATTER HOW MANY STOLEN CARS ARE FOUND, IT REMAINS HARASSMENT, STALKING, AND A VIOLATION OF THE FOURTH AND 14TH AMENDMENT GUARANTEES IN THE CONSTITUTION, WHICH PUBLIC SERVANTS CLAIM TO TAKE AN OATH TO.
AND YOU GUYS ARE NOT THE ONLY ONES IN VIOLATION.
AND SPEAKING OF DRIVING, I WANT PEOPLE TO WATCH THIS YOUTUBE VIDEO ENTITLED SANDAG WEBINAR ON AB 43 AND AB 1938, WHERE ONE CAN LEARN THAT A GOVERNMENT ENTITY CAN USE BOTH BILLS TO LOWER SPEED LIMITS ANYWHERE BY UP TO 10 MILES PER HOUR.
THEY CAN ALSO LABEL AN AREA SAFETY CORRIDOR AND TAKE UP TO ONE FIFTH OF A TOTAL ROADWAY, OR EVEN ONE FIFTH OF ALL PUBLIC GOVERNMENT CONTROLLED STREETS OR HIGHWAYS.
SAN FRANCISCO PUSHED THEIR VISION ZERO CULTURE CHANGE OF 20 MILES PER HOUR TO AS LOW AS 15 MILES PER HOUR ON ROADS.
AND THEY'RE PLANNING OVER 118 SAFETY QUARTERS EVERY ONE FOURTH OF A MILE WITH WELL OVER 300 SIGNS AT A COST OF $500 EACH.
ALL THESE CHANGES USE THE EXCUSE OF SAFETY, BUT THEY CAN'T EVEN PROVIDE AN ESTIMATE OF, OF ANY DECREASES IN FATALITIES.
THEY JUST DON'T WANT US STRIVING MUCH LIKE SANDAG.
THE LAST, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT SPEAKER IS BRENDA HAMMOND.
I MEAN, MR. MITCHELL
UM, I REALIZE YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO, UM, COMMENT TO PUBLIC COMMENT BY STATE LAW.
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YOU TO THINK ABOUT REVETTING.SOME OF THE PROGRAMS THAT ARE REFERRED TO DEFENDANTS BY THE COUNTY COURTHOUSE.
THE DEFENDANTS MADE A MISTAKE, GOT CAUGHT, GO TO COURT, PLEAD GUILTY, AND ARE ASSIGNED AND REFERRED TO THE PROGRAMS TO LEARN TO BECOME BETTER PEOPLE.
WHAT I WITNESSED IS BULLYING AND HARASSMENT BY SOME OF THE PROGRAMS. SOME OF YOU KNOW WHO I'M TALKING ABOUT, WHICH IS CREATING AN EVEN BIGGER PROBLEM OR A WAY TO CREATE MORE PROGRAMS. YOU KNOW, LIKE ANGER MANAGEMENT, TAKING ADVANTAGE IN CON IN CONFUSING PEOPLE THAT ALREADY HAVE A MENTAL ILLNESS SEEMS LIKE AN EASY WAY TO YEP.
CREATE MORE PROGRAMS. I SAW THIS HAPPEN TO A FAMILY MEMBER OF MINE THE PAST FEW WEEKS.
I'VE SEEN HARASSMENT BY THIS, UH, PLACE THAT THE COURT SENT HER TO.
I'VE SEEN HARASSMENT, I'VE SEEN THEM CONFUSE HER.
SHE ALREADY HAS A MENTAL ILLNESS.
YOU GUYS NEED TO VET THESE PEOPLE.
SO THIS NEW PROGRAM THAT'S COMING IN, I HOPE YOU VET THEM WELL AND PLEASE REVETT THE ONES YOU HAVE BECAUSE THEY COULD BE SHUT DOWN VERY EASILY.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE OLD FASHIONED CHRISTMAS FUN.
THERE WAS NO MUSIC, BUT I STILL DANCED.
I LOVED THE COPS ON THE HORSES.
THERE ARE NO WRITTEN COMMUNICATIONS AND NO PUBLIC HEARINGS ON TODAY'S AGENDA.
WE HAVE EIGHT ADMINISTRATIVE REPORTS ON TODAY'S AGENDA.
[8. Selection of Deputy Mayor RECOMMENDATION: That the City Council selects a Deputy Mayor, for the 2024 calendar year, according to the El Cajon Municipal Code.]
THE SELECTION OF DEPUTY MAYOR.AND I'LL ASK OUR CITY MANAGER TO PLEASE TELL US ABOUT THIS.
MR. MAYOR, A COURT AND MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, ACCORDING TO THE MUNICIPAL CODE, EACH DECEMBER, THE CITY COUNCILS DESIGNATE ONE OF ITS OWN TO SERVE AS THE DEPUTY MAYOR, UH, MR. GOBEL CURRENTLY SERVES IN THAT ROLE.
UM, AND HIS TERM ACTUALLY EXPIRES AT THE END OF THIS MONTH TO THE, SO, UH, DECEMBER 31ST OF THIS YEAR.
UM, THE STAFF REPORT INCLUDES A HISTORY OF THE DEPUTY MAYOR ROTATIONS FOR THE LAST FOUR YEARS.
AND IF, IF THE COUNCIL WERE TO RELY ON THAT ROTATION, UNLESS THE COUNCIL WISHES IS DUE, OTHERWISE IT'S MR. ORTIZ'S TURN TO SERVE AS THE DEPUTY MAYOR.
AND THAT WOULD, THAT TERM WOULD GO THROUGH DECEMBER 31ST, 2024.
SO WITH THAT, IF THE WILL OF THE COUNCIL IS TO, UH, DIRECT, WE WOULD REQUIRE A VOTE FOR THAT.
AND THEN WE CAN, UH, MAKE THOSE CHANGES TO ALL OF OUR PAPERWORK AND WEBSITES BEGINNING JANUARY 1ST.
I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT THAT, SIR.
UH, TRUTH, I JUST LIKE TO TALK.
YESTERDAY I ACTUALLY TALKED TO THE CITY OF SAN DIEGO ABOUT PICKING THEIR NEW PRO TIM.
ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THE DEPUTY MAYOR OR THE MAYOR? PRO TIM? NO, I'M JUST KIDDING.
AGAIN, BECAUSE THAT'S A FUN FACT FOR PEOPLE THAT THOSE TITLES ARE ONE AND THE SAME.
ISN'T THAT INTERESTING? IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, BASED ON THE OFFICIAL CHART OF ROTATION, IT'S PHIL'S TIME TO BE THE DEPUTY MAYOR.
I'M NOT SURE HOW HE GOT AWAY WITH IT BACK IN 2020, BEING SUCH A YOUNG GUN IN THIS POLITICAL BUSINESS FOR THIS ROLE.
I ACTUALLY HAVE NO PREFERENCE AT ALL.
SORRY TO SAY, NONE OF YOU GUYS WON ME OVER ENOUGH.
MICHELLE, FOR HER BIRTHDAY PRESENT.
SO I'LL, I'LL, UNLESS THERE'S DISCUSSION, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT, UM, THE REGULAR ROTATION.
YEAH, I'M GONNA TAKE MICHELLE'S SECOND.
MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE A AND I'D LIKE TO THANK STEVE FOR HIS SERVICE.
[9. Community Risk Assessment and Standards of Cover Report RECOMMENDATION: That the City Council receives the report from Emergency Services Consulting International (ESCI) as an informational item.]
NINE IS A REPORT ON THE COMMUNITY RISK ASSESSMENT AND STANDARD OF COVER.I'LL ASK FIRE CHIEF CO TO PLEASE INTRODUCE THIS ITEM.
AND MR. MEEZ, HE'S COMING FORWARD.
I JUST WANTED TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF AN INTRODUCTION AS PART OF THE 2023 CD COUNCIL ACTION PLAN UNDER THE PUBLIC SAFETY PRIORITY.
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UM, OUTCOMES, OR ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU WANTED TO SEE DONE IS THE COMPLETION OF A STANDARD OF COVERED COMMUNITY RISK ASSESSMENT.SO THE STUDY'S BEEN WORKED ON SINCE, UH, BEGINNING OF ABOUT THE END OF SUMMER.
AND, UM, WE, WE ALL KNOW THAT OUR CALL VOLUMES CAN BE HIGH, AND WE KNOW THAT SOME OF OUR STATIONS ARE HEAVILY IMPACTED.
WE ALSO KNOW THAT WE HAVEN'T EXPANDED OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT, UH, STAFFING FOR, FOR QUITE A, QUITE A WHILE.
UM, AND I THINK, I KNOW THE COUNCIL HAS TALKED ABOUT THIS DURING GOAL SETTING SESSION THAT WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING, BUT WHAT IS THE THING, RIGHT? BECAUSE EACH OF THOSE THINGS IS AN EXPENSIVE PROPOSITION.
AND SO GATHERING DATA AND GETTING INPUT FROM AN OUTSIDE ORGANIZATION CAN HELP PROVIDE SOME CLARITY TO THAT.
SO THE, THE PURPOSE OF THAT IS TO DO JUST THAT.
SO, UM, THIS WILL HELP LOOK AT SOME SHORT-TERM GOALS AND SOME LONG-TERM GOALS.
IT'S A, ALTHOUGH THE, THE REPORT IS NOT TO VERY THICK, UM, IT'S RICH WITH DATA, THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION IN IT.
WHAT I'M GONNA RECOMMEND THIS AFTERNOON AS PART OF THIS AGENDA ITEM IS THAT, UH, CHIEF CO AND OUR CONSULTING COMPANY PRESENT A, A HIGH LEVEL OVERVIEW OF THE PRESENT OF THE REPORT.
ALLOW THE CITY COUNCIL TO ASK SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE AND HAVE A DISCUSSION.
BUT I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE ACTUALLY RECONVENE THIS CONVERSATION AT A SPECIAL CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP SOMETIME IN FEBRUARY.
I KNOW WE, WE HAVE STATE OF THE CITY IN JANUARY, WE HAVE OUR GOAL SETTING SESSION IN JANUARY.
SO IT'S KIND OF IMPACTED, BUT I THINK IT FEBRUARY WE CAN REALLY ROLL UP OUR SLEEVES, GET OUR, OUR FIRE PROFESSIONALS INVOLVED, AND TALK ABOUT WHAT IS OUR LONG-TERM VISION AND HOW TO GET THERE AND WHAT ARE SOME INTERIM STEPS THAT WE CAN DO TO RELIEVE SOME OF THE PRESSURE ON OUR STAFF.
SO WITH THAT, UM, I'LL TURN THE TIME OVER TO CHIEF COE FOR AN INTRODUCTION.
UH, GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR WELLS, RESPECTING MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL.
UM, I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE YOU, MR. JEFF STONE.
HE IS THE PROJECT MANAGER FROM EMERGENCY SERVICES CONSULTING INTERNATIONAL, AND HE WAS THE ONE WHO WAS RUNNING THIS PROJECT, PUTTING IT TOGETHER.
AND SO I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO HIM, AND THEN WE OPEN IT UP SOME, UH, TO SOME QUESTIONS AT THE END.
UH, WHEN WE WERE HERE A MONTH OR SO AGO, WE SPOKE WITH ALL Y'ALL.
UH, AS CHIEF CO MENTIONED, UH, OUR COMPANY IS, UH, ESCI, EMERGENCY SERVICE CONSULTING INTERNATIONAL.
JUST A BRIEF BACKGROUND, WE'RE ABOUT A 50-YEAR-OLD COMPANY.
WE WERE CREATED IN THE, UH, PACIFIC NORTHWEST BACK IN THE MID SEVENTIES.
UH, AND, UH, THEY WERE GREW ACROSS THE NATION.
UH, IN 2008, THE INTERNATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF FIRE CHIEFS PURCHASED THE COMPANY, UH, AND WE ARE NOW A NATIONWIDE, UH, CONSULTING COMPANY FOR, UH, PUBLIC SAFETY, UH, PREDOMINANTLY FIRE DEPARTMENT, BUT WE ALSO HELP POLICE OFFICER, UH, POLICE DEPARTMENTS, UH, AND EMS AGENCIES AS WELL.
UH, MYSELF, UH, I JUST RETIRED, UH, AFTER 30 YEARS OF SERVICE IN THE, UH, FIRE DEPARTMENT, UH, WORKING FOR BOTH A, UH, COUNTY AND CITY DEPARTMENTS.
UH, UH, AND, UH, AS MY LAST EIGHT YEARS WAS A FIRE CHIEF.
SO MY BACKGROUND, UH, ALONG WITH ALL OUR OTHER, UH, I'M ACTUALLY THE YOUNGEST OF OUR CONSULTANTS.
THE OTHERS HAVE 35 AND 40 YEARS.
UH, SO WE TRY TO DIVERSIFY OURSELVES WITH A, AS MUCH EXPERIENCE AS POSSIBLE.
UM, ESCI, AS I MENTIONED, UH, WE, UM, WE COVER EVERYTHING, UH, IN ALL ASPECTS OF THE PUBLIC SAFETY.
ONE OF OUR GOALS, UH, THE PROJECTS.
WE, UH, WE PERFORM, UH, WE DO PLANNING SERVICES, RISK ASSESSMENTS.
UH, OBVIOUSLY THAT'S THE PROJECT WE DID FOR Y'ALL HERE IN EL CAJON.
UM, AND PARDON MY, I'M FROM GEORGIA, SO I PROBABLY SAY SOME THINGS THAT Y'ALL MAY NOT UNDERSTAND.
UM, OBVIOUSLY PUBLIC SAFETY AGENTS MANAGEMENT, AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE RECRUITING AND TESTING AND, UH, ACTUALLY ADMINISTRATIVE, UH, POSITIONS OF ONE OF OUR DIVISIONS.
UM, SO MOVING FORWARD, UH, AS, UH, MR. MITCHELL MENTIONED, THE PROJECT WE HAD WAS A COMMUNITY RISK ASSESSMENT.
UM, AND EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS WE HEAR THAT WORD, BUT TO ACTUALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT IS, AND FOR EVERYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE, UH, THIS IS ACTUALLY, UH, THE BRIEF DEFINITION OF IT'S A PROCESS OF ASSESSING HAZARDS, VULNERABILITIES, RISK, ABILITY TO COPE, PREPARING COPING STRATEGIES, AND FINALLY PREPARING A RISK REDUCTION OPTIONS IMPLEMENTATION PLAN BY THE LOCAL COMMUNITY.
UM, WHAT DO WE CALL RISK? RISK ARE OBVIOUSLY THE THINGS THAT WE IMMEDIATELY THINK OF, UH, FIRE HAZARDS, HAZMAT, NATURAL DISASTERS, ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
BUT THE RISK ASSESSMENTS ACTUALLY GOES FURTHER THAN THAT.
IT ALSO INCLUDES THINGS SUCH AS UNMANAGED OR UNEXPECTED POPULATION GROWTH, UH, CONSTRUCTION, BOOMS, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE DEMANDS.
SO ALL THOSE THINGS CULMINATE TOGETHER TO, UH, HOW THAT AFFECTS A AGENCY AND HOW THEY OPERATE WITHIN A COMMUNITY.
UM, AND OUR PROJECT WAS A TWOFOLD.
SO WE HIT DO A COMMUNITY RISK ASSESSMENT, AND THEN WE DO WHAT WE CALL AS A STANDARD OF COVER.
AND THAT STANDARD OF COVER IS BASICALLY A, A PLAYBOOK FOR THE LOCAL AGENCY, UH, IN THIS CASE FOR THE, UH, EL CAJON, UH,
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HEARTLAND FIRE RESCUE SERVICE.UH, AND A STANDARD OF COVER, BASICALLY CONSISTENT OF DECISIONS MADE REGARDING THE PLACEMENT OF FIELD RESOURCES IN RELATION TO THE POTENTIAL DEMAND PLACED ON THEM BY THE TYPE OF RISK AND HISTORICAL NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY.
THAT OUTCOME MUST BE, DEMONSTRATE THE LIVES ARE SAVED AND PROPERTIES THAT ARE PROTECTED.
SO WE BASE OURSELVES ON A NATIONAL STANDARD OF IF ANYBODY THAT'S FAMILIAR WITH PUBLIC SAFETY, UH, LIVES, PROPERTY AND THE ENVIRONMENT.
UH, AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THAT STANDARD OF COVER BASES EVERYTHING UPON IS, HOW CAN WE, UH, THE HEARTLAND FIRE RESCUE PROVIDE THAT TO, UM, THE ELCON COMMUNITY.
UM, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT CAME ALONG IS, WHERE DO WE PULL OUR DATA FROM? ALL THIS? WE'VE SPENT THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS TALKING, UH, AS Y'ALL KNOW, I SPOKE WITH Y'ALL, UH, WHEN WE WERE HERE ON OUR SITE VISIT.
UH, WE SPENT THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS TALKING WITH DIFFERENT MEMBERS OF THE, UH, UH, FIRE DEPARTMENT, UH, AS WELL AS OTHER MEMBERS OF YOUR, UH, STAFF AND CITY AND STAFF AND, AND, UH, INCLUDING THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, UH, UGI, S PERSONNEL.
BUT WE ALSO USE, UH, OPEN DATA SOURCES.
UH, WE RELY HEAVILY ON GIS, UH, UM, ESRI, WHICH IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST GIS COMPANIES IN THE NATION.
UH, THEY HAVE A OPEN SOURCE, UH, WHERE WE LOOK AT THE DEMOGRAPHICS, UH, REGIONAL DATA, UH, FOR OUR POPULATION.
UM, WE ALSO COUPLE THAT WITH THE US CENSUS DATA.
UH, WE'VE TALKED WITH YOUR, UH, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTORS AS FAR AS, UH, WHAT Y'ALL SAY YOUR, UM, POPULATION IS.
AND WE CULMINATE THOSE TOGE TOGETHER AS WHAT THE ACTUAL POPULATION IS, WHAT YOUR SERVICE AREA IS.
UH, THEN WE ALSO USE OPEN DATA SOURCES, UH, AND THEN ALSO RGS HAS A SPECIAL FUNCTION OF IT CALLED THE LIVING ATLAS OF THE WORLD.
UH, SO ALL THAT POPULATES TOGETHER, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, YOU KNOW, UNEXPECTED POPULATION GROWTH AND PREDICTIONS.
UM, SO WITH THAT, WE USE HISTORICAL DATA FROM THE PAST 10 OR 15 YEARS.
UH, WE USE THE CALL AND RUN LOGS OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND THE TYPES OF INCIDENTS THEY GO TO.
AND THEN WE PROJECT THOSE OUT, AND THAT'S WHERE WE COME UP WITH, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS IN, UH, IN ESTIMATIONS OF WHAT THE RISKS MAY BE IN THE NEXT FUTURE.
UH, AND WE CAN LOOK AT THAT IN A 5, 10, 15, 20, 30 YEAR INCREMENTS.
UM, THE STANDARD OF COVER, UM, THIS IS A HUGE FORMULA AND, UH, THERE'S A DOCUMENT THERE THAT, UH, MR. MITCHELL SAID THAT Y'ALL WOULD DEFINITELY GET INTO.
UH, IT'S ABOUT A 30 PAGE DOCUMENT THAT GOES INTO EVERY TYPE OF CALL THAT THE, UH, CITY OF, UH, EL CAJON AND HEARTLAND FIRE RESPOND TO AND HANDLE.
UH, YOU'LL NOTICE UP HERE ON THE CHART, UH, IT'S EVERYTHING FROM, UH, TECHNICAL LEVEL CALLS TO HAZMAT CALLS, WILDLAND, UH, FIRES, UH, FIRE, UH, EMS CALLS, AND THEY'RE BROKEN DOWN INTO DIFFERENT CATEGORIES OF HIGH, UH, MEDIUM AND LOW.
UH, OVERALL, I CAN TELL YOU, COMPARED TO THE REST OF THE NATION, UH, HEARTLAND FIRE, AND ESPECIALLY HERE IN EL CAJON, YOU MANAGE ALMOST ALL THESE VERY WELL.
WE TYPICALLY SAY ANYTHING BELOW 25 OR 30 POINTS IS A WELL-MANAGED CALL.
UH, YOU, YOU'RE, YOU'RE DOING IT WELL.
UM, YOU, YOU HAVE THE, THE STAFF HANDLES THOSE CALLS PROPERLY.
UM, YOU'LL NOTICE THE FIRE, UH, A, A HIGHER FIRE CALL.
UH, THAT IS A, LUCKILY, THERE WEREN'T ANY IN OUR RECORDS OVER THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS.
THIS WOULD BE SOMETHING AS IF, UM, A 10, 20, 30 STORY, IF YOU HAD TWO OR THREE BLOCKS OF EL CAJON CATCH ON FIRE, THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED A HIGH PRIORITY OR A HIGH LEVEL FIRE.
SO, LUCKILY THAT HASN'T HAPPENED, AND HOPEFULLY IT WOULDN'T, BUT HENCE IT WOULD TAKE A LOT MORE THAN, UH, EL CAJON AND EVERYTHING HAWAIIAN.
THAT'S THE REASON WHY YOU HAVE THAT OUTLIER SCORE OF ALMOST A 61.
BUT IT'S, UH, UH, FEW AND FAR BETWEEN.
SO AS WE WENT THROUGH AND, UH, LOOKED AT ALL THE RISK, UH, HOW THEY ANSWERED CALLS, WHAT THE PROJECTIONS WERE AND WHAT THEY WERE COMING UP, WE IDENTIFIED SEVERAL HIGH LEVEL, UH, AREAS.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE SEE IN THE PROJECTION OF THE POTENTIAL POPULATION COMING ALONG RIGHT NOW IS, UH, WITH OUR SERVICE, UH, DATA, WE SAW THAT THE, UH, PROJECTED CALLS RIGHT NOW IN 2022 WERE 18,031.
UM, WE JUMPED AHEAD TO 2050, WHICH IS ALMOST 30 YEARS.
UH, AND THAT CALL VOLUME, UH, IS 120% INCREASE.
UM, WE ALWAYS LIKE TO PROJECT ON THE HIGH SIDE, AND YOU CAN ALWAYS COME BACK DOWN, BUT IT'S BETTER TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT THE POTENTIAL PROJECTION IS OVER THE HISTORICAL DATA OF THE GROWTH OF THE CITY AND WHAT THOSE CALLS ENTAIL WITH THAT NUMBER OF POPULATION OF PEOPLE.
UH, THE NEXT RISK WE IDENTIFIED THAT KIND OF GOES ALONG WITH THE FIRST RISK IS THE POTENTIAL OF THE INFILL AND THE GROWTH, UH, THAT'S BEING, UH, THAT'S OCCURRING HERE IN EL CAJON.
UH, THE STATE HAS INCENTIVES FOR DEVELOPERS TO BUILD.
UM, UH, IT, EL CAJON IS A, IS I WAS TOLD FROM, I THINK MOST OF Y'ALL.
UH, AND FROM THE MEMBERS OF THE, UH, FIRE DEPARTMENT AND THE FIRE MARSHAL'S OFFICE, IT'S A GREAT PLACE TO LIVE.
UH, LISTENING TO THE REST OF THE COMMUNITY HERE, UH, IT'S VERY SUPPORTIVE.
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VERY, UH, UH, WELCOMING TO EVERYBODY TO COME HERE.THAT'S WONDERFUL FOR PEOPLE TO COME.
SO, UH, THAT CAUSES GROWTH, WHICH CAUSES MORE PEOPLE, CAUSES MORE CAUSE.
UH, AND IT'S JUST KIND OF A, UH, A CIRCULAR EFFECT THAT KEEPS GROWING.
BUT ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT, UH, WHEN YOU HAVE THIS GROWTH IS THE EXPANSION.
UH, THERE'S NOT REALLY MUCH MORE LAND TO GO OUTWARDS.
SO WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO, YOU HAVE TO GO UP, UH, WITH THAT.
UH, YOU HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S CAPABILITIES OF THE DEPARTMENT.
RIGHT NOW, I BELIEVE THERE'S ONLY A HANDFUL OF MAYBE FOUR OR FIVE STORY BUILDINGS.
UH, AS THAT GROWTH CONTINUES, YOU'LL START SEEING 8, 9, 10, 15, 20 STORY BUILDINGS, UH, THAT'S GONNA HAVE PEOPLE IN IT ACCESS TO THOSE BUILDINGS, UH, BY THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
UH, IT'S NOT AS SIMPLE AS COMING, RUNNING IN THE DOOR RIGHT HERE.
IF YOU'VE GOTTA GO 20 FLOORS UP TO GET SOMEBODY THAT'S GONNA TAKE EXTRA TIME, ALSO PARKING THE APPARATUS.
AGAIN, THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF PLACES TO MOVE OUTWARDS, SO PARKING SPACES ARE NOT AVAILABLE.
UH, SO PEOPLE TEND TO THE CONCERN OF PARKING ON THE STREET AROUND THE BUILDING.
UH, SO NOW IT MAKES ACCESS TO ACTUALLY GETTING TO THE ADDRESS, UH, A CONCERN OR A FUTURE CONCERN FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
ALRIGHT, AND THEN THE LAST THING IS, AS THAT, AS THAT GROWS, UH, IN, UH, THOSE THAT HAVE BEEN IN THE MILITARY BEFORE, OR HAVE ANY OTHER PUBLIC SAFETY SERVICE, UH, WE CONCERN OURSELVES OF, OF ANY TYPE OF MANAGEMENT'S CONSIDERED A SPAN OF CONTROL, UH, THE IDEAL NUMBER IS TYPICALLY FIVE.
UH, SOMETIMES THAT CAN BE STRETCHED TO SEVEN, UH, IN A EMERGENCY SITUATION, THEY REALLY DON'T LIKE THAT NUMBER TO BE, UH, THREE TO FIVE IS THE MAXIMUM OF THAT.
UH, SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR, UH, RECOMMENDATION IS THE POTENTIAL FOR A NEW, UH, UH, ANOTHER, UH, DUTY BATTALION FOR THE, UH, HEARTLAND FIRE, UH, AND POTENTIALLY EL CAJON RIGHT NOW BECAUSE OF THE, UH, POTEN, IF, IF THE POTENTIAL GROWTH CONTINUES, UH, AS WELL AS IN THE FIRE MARSHAL'S OFFICE, UH, WITH THE INFILL, YOU'RE GONNA SEE, NEED TO SEE MORE STAFF, WHICH WOULD NEED MORE SUPERVISION.
AND THEN, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UH, I, I CAN TELL YOU, HAVING BEEN ALL OVER THE COUNTRY AND, UH, OTHER COMMUNITIES, UH, I WANNA CONGRATULATE Y'ALL ON A, UH, PILOT PROJECT THAT I WAS, UH, EXTREMELY, UH, ENAMORED WITH.
UH, AND JUST A FEW WEEKS AGO, I WAS IN ANOTHER COMMUNITY AND, UH, I PROPOSED Y'ALL'S, UH, THE COMMUNITY, UH, NURSE NAVIGATOR PROGRAM THAT Y'ALL STARTED, I BELIEVE, 16, 17 MONTHS AGO.
I BELIEVE IT'S ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF INTO IT.
UH, ACTUALLY A LITTLE LESS THAN THAT.
UM, WONDERFUL IDEA, WONDERFUL WAY TO COMBAT THE ISSUES OF, UH, THAT OBVIOUSLY THERE'S SOME POTENTIAL, UH, UH, CONCERN OF THE HOMELESS, UH, AND THE MENTAL HEALTH.
UM, ALL THESE THINGS ACROSS THE COUNTRY ARE A DRAW ON THE PUBLIC SAFETY, NOT JUST THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, BUT ALL PUBLIC SAFETY.
UH, BUT ALLOWING THOSE AT THE POINT OF A NINE ONE ONE CALL TO HAVE AND TALK TO SOMEBODY AND NOT RELY ON THE EMERGENCY SER UH, SERVICES, UH, TO HANDLE THIS.
AND NOT THAT IT'S NOT A, A CONCERN, BUT IT'S BEING HANDLED INSTEAD OF SENDING OUT, YOU KNOW, FIRE TRUCKS AND AMBULANCES AND EVERYTHING.
SO, UH, WE, WE TOTALLY RECOMMEND CONTINUE THAT PROJECT, AND WE WOULD SAY, EVEN EXPAND IT FURTHER IF THERE'S ANY WAY POSSIBLE AND CONTINUE LOOKING ON IT.
UH, AND I, I ASKED CHIEF IF I COULD, AND I'VE, UH, SHARED THAT WITH OTHER COMMUNITIES, AND THEY'RE VERY, VERY, UM, UH, INTERESTED IN IT.
UM, SO, UH, I, I, I SEND MY KUDOS TO EL CAJON FOR, UH, CREATING SUCH A GREAT, WONDERFUL PRO UH, PROJECT.
UH, AND THE SECOND ONE HERE, THE REVIEW OF LOW ACUITY, UH, EMS CALLS, THOSE KIND OF GO HAND IN HAND.
UM, RIGHT NOW SOME CALLS ARE BEING, UH, WHAT WE CALL A ALPHA OR BRAVO CALL.
THAT'S A VERY LOW ACUITY GOING TO HELP SOMEBODY THAT HAS FALLEN SLIP, UH, A TRIP OR A FALL.
UM, SOMETIMES THIS DOES NOT REQUIRE THE NEED FOR A, UH, AN ENGINE OR A, UH, EMERGENCY RESPONSE.
UM, AND SO JUST LOOK AT THOSE AS TO MAYBE HELP REDUCE SOME OF THOSE, OF THAT 18,000 CALLS.
RIGHT NOW, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, ABOUT 77% OF THAT IS EMS. UM, IF THOSE CAN REDUCE THE BURDEN OFF OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT BY SOME OF THOSE CALLS OF THE AMBULANCE SERVICE HANDLING OR OF SOME OTHER METHOD, UH, THAT CAN BE LOOKED AT.
UM, AND WE MENTIONED THIS EARLIER, THIS IS, UH, ALSO MOVING ON CONSIDERATION OF THAT ADDITIONAL DUTY BATTALION THAT GOES HAND IN HAND, UH, IN THE SUPERVISORY ROLES OF BOTH, UH, THE ADMINISTRATION OF THE FIRE MARSHAL'S OFFICE, BUT ALSO OUT IN THE FIELD, UH, THE POTENTIAL OF ANOTHER, UH, UH, FIELD SUPERVISOR.
UM, THE NEXT ONE WITH THE POTENTIAL GROWTH THAT, UH, IS PROJECTED, UH, AND THE CONCENTRATION AND, AND THIS AGAIN, UH, MR. MITCHELL CAN SHOW THIS, UH, WHEN YOU GET INTO THE REPORTS, UH, THE DATA THAT WE'VE SHOWN, THERE'S A LARGE CENTRAL, UH, COLLECTION OF CALLS, UH, IN BETWEEN STATION SIX AND STATION, UM, UH, STATION EIGHT, UH, IN,
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IN THE NORTH CENTRAL AREA.UH, AND THAT, THAT PREDOMINANTLY IS WHERE THERE'S A POTENTIAL NEED IN THE FUTURE TO LOOK AT MAYBE PLACING ANOTHER STATION TO HANDLE THE CALL VOLUME.
AND IT ALSO SHOWS THAT'S WHERE THE GROWTH OF ALL YOUR HOUSING AND, AND POPULATION IS GROWING.
UM, AND THEN THE LAST ONE HERE, UM, EVALUATES, UH, THE, THE STAFFING MARSHAL.
THIS IS WHERE WE LOOKED AT BECAUSE OF, RIGHT NOW, THE DUTIES THAT ARE HELD BY THE STAFFING, UH, OR THE FIRE MARSHAL'S OFFICE.
UM, THEY'RE, THEY'RE STRETCHED PRETTY THIN WITH THE AMOUNT OF PLAN REVIEWS AND INSPECTIONS THAT GO ON.
UH, THE ADDITION OF ANOTHER, UH, A SECOND DEPUTY FIRE MARSHAL TO HELP RELIEVE SOME OF THOSE HIGH LEVEL, UH, INSPECTIONS AND PLANS IS, IS A RECOMMENDATION FROM US.
UH, AND THEN WE HAD SOME ADMINISTRATIVE RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, THAT ARE INTERNAL, BUT WE FELT WORTHY OF MENTIONING TO Y'ALL.
UH, YOU HAVE A VERY ROBUST, UH, WEEDED ABATEMENT PROGRAM, UH, HERE IN CALIFORNIA.
AND ON THE WESTERN SIDE OF THE COUNTRY.
UH, IT'S OBVIOUS THAT, UH, WILDFIRES ARE VERY SERIOUS CONCERN.
AND WHEREAS IN GEORGIA WHERE, YOU KNOW, A SMALL TRASH CAN FIRE OR SOMEBODY DROPS, UH, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING ON A CHAIN DRAGGING AND STARTS A GRASS FIRE IS NOT A BIG CONCERN TO US THAT CAN, CAN TURN INTO, YOU KNOW, HUNDREDS OF ACRES HERE, IF NOT THOUSANDS.
UH, SO THE, THE PROGRAM THAT Y'ALL STARTED, UH, TALKING WITH CHIEF CO AND, UH, THROUGH THE FIRE MARSHAL'S OFFICE, UH, WE JUST, UH, WOULD LIKE TO RECOMMEND CONTINUING THAT AND EXPANDING THAT, UM, UH, THAT PROGRAM.
UH, ALSO TO INCLUDE SOME TYPE OF MANAGEMENT SOFTWARE.
WE, I SPOKE WITH Y'ALL WHEN, UH, YOU WERE HERE BEFORE.
YOU KNOW, CONTINUE THAT EXPANSION AND COLLABORATIVE PURCHASING, UH, ANYTIME THAT, YOU KNOW, UH, USE YOUR NEIGHBORING, UH, COMMUNITIES, UH, WHETHER IT BE LA MESA OR EVEN YOU KNOW, SAN DIEGO OR ANYBODY AROUND YOU, ANYTIME ANYBODY'S BUYING THE SAME PRODUCT.
IF YOU CAN BUY THAT IN BULK, WE ALL KNOW THAT YOU GET A BETTER, BETTER DEAL.
AND IF YOU'RE USING THE EXACT SAME PRODUCT, EVERYBODY MIGHT AS WELL USE.
AND IT ENDS UP ULTIMATELY BEING, YOU KNOW, A COST, UH, SAVINGS TO THE CITIZENS.
UH, AND THEN THE LAST THING, THIS, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE SEE WITH ALL FIRE DEPARTMENTS THAT IS VERY RARE, UH, IS A, UH, SUCCESSION PLAN.
UH, IT'S GREAT WHEN YOU COME IN.
CHIEF CO, UH, DOES A GREAT JOB HERE WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
VERY, UH, I COMMEND JOEL WITH HI HIS LEADERSHIP.
UH, BUT IT'S OBVIOUS CHIEF CO IS NOT GONNA BE HERE FOREVER TO LEAD THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, UH, AS, AS THEY MOVE ALONG.
WE ALWAYS LIKE TO SEE SOME TYPE OF SU SU SUCCESSION PLAN FOR LEADERSHIP IN ANY ORGANIZATION.
SO THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WOULD LOOK AND SAY, HEY, CONTINUE ON.
THEY HAVE SOMEWHAT OF THAT IN THE FIRE MARSHAL'S OFFICE AND WE'D JUST LIKE TO SEE THAT EXPAND INTO THE WHOLE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
THAT IS A VERY QUICK
UH, THE STANDARD OF COVER IS ABOUT A 29 PAGE, UH, REPORT.
AND OUR COMMUNITY RISK ASSESSMENT IS ABOUT A 70 PAGE REPORT.
UH, I TRIED TO CRAM ALL THAT INTO A FEW MINUTES AND NOT TAKE UP YOUR TIME 'CAUSE I KNOW IT WAS VERY VALUABLE.
BUT IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER IN THEM.
UM, LEMME SEE IF THERE'S SOME QUESTIONS.
IT WAS A REALLY GOOD REPORT AND A LOT OF INFORMATION THERE.
QUESTION ON YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS.
NUMBER FOUR, THE FIFTH STATION FOR THE NORTHERN PART.
WHERE WOULD THAT BE? SO WE DON'T HAVE AN EXACT, UM, LOCATION.
I CAN'T TELL YOU THAT IT NEEDS TO GO TO FIFTH AND THIRD STREET, AND THAT'S THE BEST PLACE FOR IT, RIGHT? UH, BUT IT, WE, WE'VE GOT IT IN INSIDE THE COMMUNITY RISK ASSESSMENT.
YOU, YOU CAN SEE WHEN YOU SEE THAT MAP, UH, THERE'S A VERY LOCALIZED AREA.
WE'RE PROBABLY WITHIN A FOUR OR FIVE BLOCK AREA THAT YOU CAN SAY, OKAY, WE NEED TO PUT IT SOMEWHERE RIGHT HERE.
AND WOULD THAT BE CHIEF, MAYBE YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO ANSWER THAT.
WOULD THAT BE IN ADDITION TO WHAT SAN MIGUEL IS ALREADY PROVIDING FOR IN THE NORTH AREA? CORRECT.
RIGHT NOW, SO ONE OF THE AREAS THAT WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT IS, UM, SAN MIGUEL STA, UH, STATION 19, RIGHT.
IS PROVIDING A LOT OF OUR EMERGENCY RESPONSE COVERAGE IN THAT AREA.
HOWEVER, WE DON'T CONTROL THAT RESOURCE.
OFTENTIMES THAT RESOURCE IS GETTING MOVED AROUND INTERNALLY BY SAN MIGUEL.
AND, UM, THAT WOULD BE GENERALLY IN THAT SAME VICINITY.
I MEAN, I MEAN, SAN MIGUEL DOES A WONDERFUL JOB IN TAKING CARE OF US.
I LIVE AROUND THE CORNER FROM THAT STATION.
UM, AND SO THEY DO A WONDERFUL JOB IN, IN BEING THERE.
UM, I HAVE A LOT OF SENIORS INCLUDING MYSELF, BUT, UM, THAT WE HAVE TO CALL SOMEBODY FALLS.
WE NEED HELP GETTING THEM UP 'CAUSE WE'RE ALL OLD AND CAN'T GET 'EM OUTTA THE BATHTUB.
UM, SO WE HAVE TO CALL SAN MIGUEL AND THEY'RE THERE WITHIN A MINUTE OR TWO, WHICH IS WONDERFUL.
UM, BUT I, I AGREE WE DON'T CONTROL THEM AND IT WOULD BE NICE, I'M SURE THAT THERE ARE OTHER AREAS UP IN THE NORTHERN PART THAT COULD USE THAT.
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TO CLARIFY IT.ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? STEVE? THANK YOU FOR THE REPORT.
VERY THOROUGH, VERY DATA RICH, AND VERY HELPFUL FOR US AS WE PLAN FOR THE FUTURE.
UH, THE CALLS FOR SERVICE, YOU HAD TWO GRAPHS CALLS FOR SERVICE BASED ON HISTORICAL CHANGE AND BY POPULATION.
I BELIEVE THE ONE THAT YOU SHOWED WAS A LITTLE CONCERNING.
'CAUSE IT, IT SAID IT WOULD GROW FROM 18,000 TO 40,000 BY 2050.
UH, THAT WOULD BE, I THINK, I THINK THAT GRAPH WAS BY HISTORICAL CHANGE AND THE OTHER GRAPH, UH, WAS NOT AS DRASTIC FROM 18,000 TO 20,000.
UH, WHY DO YOU OR TELL ME THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THOSE TWO? SO THE HISTORICAL CHANGE, UM, SO THERE'S A COUPLE REASONS THAT CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW WE, OUR METHODOLOGY, WHEN WE USE THOSE TWO GRAPHS, WE PUT 'EM IN THERE BECAUSE IT'S DATA, UH, AND EVERYBODY LIKES DATA.
UH, THE POPULATION IS A MUCH MORE, I GUESS FOR LACK OF BETTER TERMS, A RELIABLE, UH, TERM.
THE, UM, THE FIRST ONE, UH, WE'VE HAD THE PAST THREE OR FOUR YEARS WITH COVID THAT REALLY CAUSED A LOT OF DEFLECTION IN WHAT NORMAL CALL VOLUME, UH, AND NORMAL RESPONSE IS.
UH, SO IT, WHILE WE CAN'T SIT HERE AND PICK APART EVERYONE, OH, WAS THIS A REALLY A COVID CALL OR WAS THIS A NORMAL EMERGENCY RESPONSE CALL? UH, WE DO KNOW HISTORICALLY OVER THE YEARS THAT WHEN YOU HAVE MORE PEOPLE, THERE'S A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE THAT THAT'S GOING TO CAUSE MORE CALLS RE REGARDLESS OF WHAT GOES ON.
UH, AND THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE TYPE OF, WHETHER IT'S, YOU KNOW, LOW INCOME, HIGH INCOME, MIDDLE CLASS, ANYTHING.
THOSE NUMBER OF PEOPLE ARE GOING TO GENERATE A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF CALLS.
SO WE TEND TO RELY MORE ON THE, WE USE THAT AS OUR ESTIMATION OF WHAT IN THE RESPONSE OF THE POPULATION GRAPH VERSUS, UH, THE OTHER ONE BECAUSE IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE NOW.
YES, IT IS ON A HIGH SIDE THAT IS A LARGE, UH, LARGE JUMP.
BUT AS I SAID BEFORE, THAT'S A, WE TEND TO MOVE TOWARDS, WE WANT TO GIVE YOU THE WORST CASE SCENARIO, UH, VERSUS COMING IN AND SAYING, WELL, YOU'RE ONLY GONNA HAVE 5,000 PEOPLE SHOW UP AND THEN IN, YOU KNOW, FOUR OR FIVE YEARS YOU HAVE A BOOM.
UM, AND WE COUPLE THAT ALSO WITH THE THEORY OF, WITH THE STATE'S INCENTIVES THAT'S GOING ON WITH INFILL, WE THOUGHT THE OTHER WAS A LITTLE BIT MORE APPROPRIATE AND YOU'RE PROBABLY GOING TO BE CLOSER TO THAT 40,000 MARK THAN ONLY, UH, I THINK THE, AND I DON'T REMEMBER THE NUMBER RIGHT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
IT WAS ONLY A FEW THOUSAND, UH, PEOPLE INCREASE.
UH, WE FEEL THAT THAT'S REALLY GONNA BE A LOT MORE THAN THAT.
UM, THE MUTUAL AID, UH, DO YOU HAVE THAT BY STATION? SO YES AND NO WITHOUT HAVING THE, THE CALL DATA THAT WE RECEIVED, UH, THE WAY IT COMES IN FROM THE CALL CENTER, IT SHOWS THAT MUTUAL AID WAS RECEIVED, UM, AND, AND WE KNOW WHO IT WAS RECEIVED FROM.
NOW, I DON'T HAVE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF WHAT THEY'RE RUNNING, UH, ALL THOSE INDIVIDUAL COMMUNITIES, UH, IT OKAY.
IS, IS THAT, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING? OR, UH, MAYBE I MISUNDERSTOOD WHAT YOU'RE ASKING.
UH, THE, THE, THE TOTAL, FOR INSTANCE, IN 2022, THE TOTAL MUTUAL AID GIVEN WAS 2100 CALLS.
THE TOTAL MUTUAL AID RECEIVED WAS 2,600 CALLS.
WE RECEIVED HELP 500 TIMES MORE THAN WHAT WE GAVE.
DO WE KNOW WHAT PART OF THE CITY THAT WAS OCCURRING IN, OR DO YOU JUST HAVE AS A WHOLE A, A AS A WHOLE? I, WE, WE COULD GO IN AND BREAK THAT OUT.
UH, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS ME AND CHIEF COVE HAVE TALKED ABOUT OVER THE PAST SEVERAL WEEKS, YOU KNOW, PREPARING THIS IS, THAT'S KIND OF A HIGH LEVEL LOOK.
UM, AND, AND THEY COULD EXTRAPOLATE OUT EXACTLY, YOU KNOW, HEY, THERE WERE 500 CALLS IN STATION SIXES, OR, YOU KNOW, THERE WERE 800 CALLS.
AND, UH, AGAIN, THERE IS, UH, I CAN TELL YOU, LOOKING AT IT WITH THE DATA WE DID KIND OF OVERVIEW IT.
AND AGAIN, NOT TO MAKE IT A 300 PAGE DOCUMENT.
WE, WE ARE LIMITED TO WHAT WE PUT IN THERE.
WE JUST KNOW THAT YOU RECEIVED, YOU KNOW, 2,600 CALLS OF MUTUAL AID.
UH, AND A LOT OF THAT CONCENTRATION WAS FROM, UH, YOU KNOW, SAN MIGUEL AND LAKESIDE IN THOSE AREAS RIGHT THERE.
UM, AND I DO BELIEVE, UH, THE PAGE, I DON'T REMEMBER THE PAGE NUMBER OFFHAND.
FORGIVE ME, UH, FURTHER BACK, UH, IT, IT LISTS SOME OF THOSE OTHERS, WHAT IT WAS RECEIVED INDIVIDUALLY.
UH, SAN MIGUEL 19 GAVE US A THOUSAND CALLS.
LET'S MOVE ON TO THE ENGINE OR THE, UH, THE PROPOSED NEWS STATION.
IN YOUR REPORT, YOU TALK ABOUT, UH, PUTTING AN ENGINE AND A
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LADDER TRUCK IN THAT STATION.UH, ARE YOU PROPOSING THOSE BE ADDITIONAL APPARATUS TO WHAT WE HAVE TODAY, OR A SHIFTING OF APPARATUS TO WHAT WE HAVE TODAY? THEY, THEY, THEY WOULD BE ADDITIONAL.
UH, AND, AND THE THEORY, WE, WE ALWAYS RECOMMEND IF YOU PUT A STATION IN THERE, ESPECIALLY FOR A CITY WITH WHAT YOU HAVE, AGAIN, GOING BACK TO THE POTENTIALS OF INGROWTH, OR EXCUSE ME, THE INFILL AND THE GROWTH AND DEFINITELY THE VERTICAL GROWTH.
UM, THOSE ARE GONNA REQUIRE LADDER TRUCKS.
UH, COUPLED WITH THE OVERVIEW LOOK OF THE, WHAT YOU'RE RECEIVING ON CALLS, UM, FROM MUTUAL AID, UH, WE SAY PUT A STATION IN THERE THAT HAS AN ENGINE AND A LADDER TRUCK.
NOW THE CAVEAT TO THAT, YOU DON'T HAVE TO BUY 'EM ALL AT ONE TIME.
UH, BUT IT WOULD DEFINITELY BEHOOVE, UH, ANYBODY LOOKING FORWARD TO THE FUTURE, 10, 15, 20 YEARS, BUILD A STATION THAT CAN ACCOMMODATE THOSE AND YOU MAY BUILD A STATION AND PUT AN ENGINE IN THERE, AND THEN 6, 7, 8 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD.
OKAY, NOW WE DO HAVE THOSE 10, 15 STORY BUILDINGS THAT ARE GONNA REQUIRE ANOTHER LADDER TRUCK.
UH, AND NOW WE CAN LOOK AT PURCHASING THEM THEN I, I, IT MAKES SENSE TO BUILD THE STATION FOR FUTURE APPARATUS.
UH, FOR THE PAST FIVE YEARS, 90% OF OUR CALLS HAVE BEEN EMS CALLS.
AND, UH, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE COST OF A PROJECT TO ADD AN ENGINE AND A TRUCK FOR 90% EMS CALLS, I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED THAT THAT'S A MISMATCH.
BUT TO BUILD THE STRUCTURE FOR FUTURE NEEDS, UH, DOES MAKE SENSE.
I'M GONNA WRAP UP MY TIME HERE WITH, UM, THE NURSE NAVIGATOR PROGRAM.
UH, I THINK IT'S WORKING FOR THE HOSPITALS.
I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S, WE GOT THE VOLUME, UH, THAT WE THOUGHT WE WOULD GET AND WE THOUGHT WE'D GET SOMETHING LIKE 3000 CALLS AND IT WOULD BE, UH, QUITE A BIT OF OUR CURRENT VOLUME.
I THINK WE'RE AT NINE MONTHS, 10 MONTHS, WE MAY BE THREE OR 400 CALLS.
SO I DON'T, I'M KIND OF LIKE, DO WE REALLY KEEP THIS PROGRAM GOING FOR 304 CALLS OR SHOULD WE SHIFT IT TO THE HOSPITALS TO MAKE THEM, UH, SINCE THEY'RE THE ONES PRIMARY BENEFITING FROM IT, MI MR. GOBEL, CHIEF COE HAS A LITTLE BIT OF DATA TO SHARE HOW, HOW EFFECTIVE IT IS OR, OR MAYBE LACKLUSTER IT IS.
BUT I THINK THAT'D BE HELPFUL FOR THE COUNCIL TO SEE.
SO, SO THAT'S THE SECOND PART OF THIS PRESENTATION.
UH, ONCE, UH, YOU, YOU ARE DONE WITH QUESTIONS FOR MR. UH, STONE, THEN, THEN I'LL GET INTO THE NURSE NAVIGATION PORTION OF THE SOUNDS GOOD.
I, I WILL PROBABLY FORWARD OTHER QUESTIONS THAT CAN BE ADDRESSED, UH, IN A FOLLOW UP, UH, ADDENDUM TO THE REPORT.
BUT THE MUTUAL AID BY STATION'S KIND OF A BIG DEAL, UH, BECAUSE WE NEED TO KNOW REALLY WHERE, WHAT PART OF THE CITY.
IF IT'S NOT HAPPENING IN FLETCHER HILLS, BUT IT'S HAPPENING IN GRANITE HILLS, WE NEED TO KNOW THAT, OR VICE VERSA.
THE, THE QUICK OVERVIEW, AGAIN, THE CONCENTRATION OF CALLS IS BETWEEN THAT, UH, NORTHERN CENTRAL AREA.
SO, UM, WE SEE THAT, YOU KNOW, MOSTLY MUTUAL AID IS GOING TO BE COMING FROM THOSE COMMUNITIES JUST ON THE OTHER SIDE OF YOUR CITY LIMITS RIGHT THERE.
SO AGAIN, THEY'RE ALL WITH THE REPORT, THE 60 SOME ODD PAGE REPORT.
YOU KIND OF HAVE TO PULL IT ALL TOGETHER AND TAKE IT.
AND AS YOU LOOK OVER IT, COMBINE IT ALL TOGETHER INSTEAD OF TAKING ONE PIECE AND SAYING, OKAY, THIS, PULL THIS, PULL THIS, AND THEN LOOK IT AS A, A HOLISTIC TYPE OF, UM, OKAY.
AND IT, IT SHOULD MAKE MORE SENSE.
UH, I, I KNOW WE, WE TALKED AND I, UH, WHEN YOU WERE HERE OR WHEN I WAS HERE BEFORE, UM, LOOKING AT IT ALL TOGETHER I THINK MAY HELP MAYBE UNDERSTAND IT A LITTLE BIT, BUT THE QUESTIONS YOU'RE ASKING YES, SIR.
AND COUNSEL, WE JOTTED DOWN THE QUESTIONS AND THE SOONER WE HAVE, AND IF YOU HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS, FORWARD 'EM OUR WAY AND WE CAN START CRANKING OUT SOME DATA WITH THE CONSULTANT.
BUT THE SOONER WE HAVE THAT, I THINK THE BETTER OUR CONVERSATION CAN BE IN FEBRUARY.
'CAUSE IT'LL GIVE US CHANCE TO, TO REALLY DIVE IN AND GET THE DATA THAT'S HELPFUL.
UM, LIKE I SAID EARLIER, I KNOW MR. ORTIZ HAS A QUESTION, BUT WHAT APPROACH WE DON'T WANNA TAKE SORT OF THIS SHOTGUN APPROACH WHEN ALL WE NEED IS A SCALPEL.
AND SO, UM, THE MORE DATA THAT WE HAVE, THE MORE, UM, INFORMATION WE HAVE, I THINK THE MORE PRECISE DECISIONS THAT YOU CAN MAKE THAT WILL HAVE THE BIGGEST IMPACT.
UH, THANK YOU JEFF AND CHIEF KOCH.
THE WORKS, IT WAS FROM THE PUBLIC THAT I'M GONNA RELAY AND JUST MAKE SURE THE PUBLIC KNOWS THE WORKSHOP THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE IN FEBRUARY CAN BE ATTENDED BY THE PUBLIC.
I'M GONNA RECOMMEND THAT WE PROBABLY DO IT IN A MORE INFORMAL SETTING.
SO LIKE IN THE POLICE COMMUNITY ROOM OR THE RONALD REAGAN GREAT.
BUT THE COMMUNITY'S INVITED TO ATTEND.
IN FACT, THE MORE VOICES WE HAVE AT IT, PROBABLY THE BETTER.
UH, COUNCIL MEMBER GOBEL CAME UP, CAME WITH A LOT OF MY QUESTIONS.
AND I, I GUESS THESE QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS SHOULD BE FORWARDED TO OUR WORKSHOP BECAUSE THEY DON'T, I GUESS THEY DON'T NEED TO BE ANSWERED IN DEPTH NOW, BUT I DON'T WANT OUR FOCUS TO BE JUST CATCHING UP AS COUNCILMAN GOBLE AND THE REPORT SAYING,
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SAM, MIGUEL LAKESIDE, THEY'RE COVERING A LOT OF OUR CITY'S CALLS AND I DON'T WANT OUR FOCUS TO BE JUST CATCHING UP.I WANT IT TO ANTICIPATE GROWTH.
SO FIVE, 10 YEARS, 20 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, THE CITY'S NOT AN DOING THIS ALL OVER AGAIN.
WE CAN KIND OF MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE TAKING CARE OF IT NOW FOR THE FUTURE.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE'LL EVER SEE 20 STORY BUILDINGS IN EL CAJON.
I HOPE WE DON'T, BUT IF WE DO, OUR STATION SHOULD BE 20 FEET HIGH INSTEAD OF 12 FEET HIGH OR WHATEVER THE PARAMETERS ARE FOR THAT KIND OF APPARATUS.
UM, THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD IS ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATION ON ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS REGARDING, UH, DUTY CHIEF IS THAT, WAS THE, THAT WAS THE POSITION, IS THAT RIGHT? BATTALION AND THE STUDY RECOMMENDS ADDITIONAL DUTY BATTALION, CHIEF DUTY BATTALION CHIEF, AND THAT WOULD BE BELOW YOU, BUT ABOVE OUR CAPTAINS.
IS THAT RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT.
UM, CAN WE, IN THE WORKSHOP, CAN YOU BRING SOME OF THE AREAS THAT THEY WOULD BE OVERSEEING AND HOW YOUR ROLE OR THE CAPTAIN'S ROLE ARE KIND OF MISMATCHED OR NOT COVERING EVERYTHING THAT COULD BE COVERED AND KIND OF WE CAN GO INTO DEPTH WITH THAT, WITH THE WORKSHOP? MR. ORTIZ, I'M GONNA JUMP IN HERE.
I I ACTUALLY DON'T THINK THAT SHOULD BE A RECOMMENDATION IN THE STUDY.
THIS IS, THIS IS NOT EVEN A LEVEL THAT THE CITY MANAGER DEALS WITH.
RIGHT NOW WE'RE A LITTLE BIT UNIQUE IN THAT WE HAVE SEGREGATED OUR DUTIES.
A LOT OF CITIES, THEIR DUTY BATTALION CHIEF WILL ALSO HANDLE ADMINISTRATIVE THINGS.
WE'VE, THROUGH HEARTLAND, WE HAVE DESIGNATED BATTALION CHIEFS THAT JUST HANDLE ADMINISTRATION.
SO IF WE WERE TO SHIFT DUTY RESPONSIBILITIES TO ANOTHER BATTALION CHIEF, WE'D PROBABLY ALSO SHIFT ADMINISTRATIVE DUTIES, WHICH PROBABLY WOULDN'T HELP IN THE LONG RUN.
I THINK THE BIGGER QUESTION IS DO WE HAVE THE RIGHT COMPLIMENT OF MANAGEMENT RIGHT NOW? THE RIGHT NUMBER OF MANAGEMENT FOR OUR STATIONS.
AND HOW THOSE ARE DIVVIED UP OR RESPONSIBILITIES DIVVIED UP.
UH, THAT'S A CHIEF DIS DISCUSSION OR DECISION.
I THINK WHAT THE COUNCIL'S DECISION IS ARE, ARE WE GETTING ADEQUATE COVERAGE? AND I THINK THE STUDY HELPS IDENTIFY THAT.
AND I THINK YOU NEED TO HOLD STAFF ACCOUNTABLE TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT COVERAGE IS OCCURRING.
BUT TO GET INTO WHICH POSITION DOES THIS RIGHT.
AND ARE THEY DOING ADMINISTRATIVE WORK OR DUTY WORK? I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S A, THAT'S WAY GETTING INTO THE WEEDS EVEN AT THE CITY MANAGER LEVEL, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.
UM, LAST, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW, SAM MIGUEL IS COVERING A LOT OF OUR STATION 19, IT LOOKS LIKE 1200 IN 20 18, 900, 900, 1,900.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THEIR CALLS ARE CITY OF EL CAJON PROPER, BUT IT WOULD, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE IN EXPLORING EXPANDING STATION 19 TO INCLUDE SOME OF OUR STAFF AT STATION 19 INSTEAD OF BUILDING A WHOLE NEW PROPERTY? THE WHOLE NEW STATION? I, MY THOUGHT IS, IS IF WE COULD EXPLORE SAVING MONEY AND IF THERE'S, IF THERE'S ROOM THERE FOR US TO GROW, IF ALL THEY NEED IS, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE MORE APPARATUSES AND THERE'S ROOM, OR WE COULD BUILD THERE INSTEAD OF ACQUIRING A PROPERTY AND THEN BUILDING IT FROM SCRATCH.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, BUT SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT DOWN THE ROAD TO SAVE MONEY.
UM, SO I, I'M INVOLVED IN AN ORGANIZATION CALLED SANDAG AND, AND ONE OF THE CRITIC, UH, CRITICISM OF SANDAG IS THAT THEY'RE, UH, PLANNING LOTS OF EXPENSIVE FIXES TO PROBLEMS BASED UPON CURRENT TECHNOLOGY.
WILL THE TECHNOLOGY OF FIRE STATIONS AND FIRE TRUCKS AND ALL THAT BE CHANGING SIGNIFICANTLY TO THE POINT WHERE WE'RE GONNA NEED DIFFERENT KINDS OF BUILDINGS? OR IS THAT GONNA BE, YOU'RE LOOKING AT ME LIKE THAT'S A STRANGE, I'M, I'M, I'M, I'M TRYING TO PROCESS WHAT YOU'RE ASKING.
I, I, I DON'T REALLY KNOW MUCH ABOUT THE, THE EVOLUTION OF FIRETRUCK.
UH, IS THE TECHNOLOGY THAT'S COMING, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN ELECTRIC VEHICLES AND, AND ALL THE OTHER TECHNOLOGY CHANGES THAT ARE COMING, ARE THEY GONNA BE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES OR ARE THEY GONNA BE PRETTY MUCH FIRETRUCKS GONNA LOOK THE SAME AS THEY ALWAYS LOOK? I I DON'T THINK YOU'RE GONNA SEE PROBABLY SOME OF THE THINGS OF, OF YOUR OTHER PROJECT THAT YOU WORK WITH.
I DON'T THINK YOU'RE GONNA SEE THOSE KIND OF TECHNOLOGICAL, TECHNOLOGICAL CHANGES WITH FIRE APPARATUS.
WE DO HAVE ELECTRIC VEHICLES, BUT THEY STILL REQUIRE A DRIVER.
THE, UH, AN OPERATOR, UH, THE FIREFIGHTERS.
SO, SO, SO THE STATIONS SHOULD LOOK THE SAME INTO THE FUTURE.
UH, THE, THE BIGGEST THING IS IF YOU MOVE TO AN ELECTRIC FIRETRUCK, YOU HAVE TO HAVE, JUST LIKE IF YOU HAVE ELECTRIC VEHICLE, YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF CHARGING STATION IN IT.
THE, THE ACTUAL FUNCTIONALITY AND OPERATIONAL, UH, C CAPACITY OF THE FIRETRUCK, I DO NOT SEE THAT BEING ANY TYPE OF TECHNOLOGICAL,
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UH, THERE, THERE'S A FIREFIGHTING DRAWN OUT THERE, BUT IT'S LIKE $300,000 AND YOU STILL GOTTA HAVE SOME GUY AND IT'S ONLY GOOD FOR 20 FEETUH, SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S REALISTIC RIGHT NOW.
IS THERE A SECOND PART TO THIS? YES, SIR.
SO THE SECOND PART OF THIS PRESENTATION IS JUST GIVING A QUICK UPDATE ON EL CAJON COMMUNITY CARE, OR THIS IS THE PILOT PROGRAM FOR NURSE NAVIGATION AND THAT WE STARTED AND, UM, WHEN IT WENT LIVE, JANUARY 31ST THIS YEAR.
AND SO THIS IS A NINE MONTH, UH, UPDATE.
SINCE THE INCEPTION OF THE PROGRAM ON JANUARY 31ST, UH, THROUGH NOVEMBER 10TH, UH, WE HAVE NURSE NAVIGATED OVER 500 CALLERS.
AT THIS POINT, 96% OF THESE CASES MANAGED DID NOT CLINICALLY REQUIRE RAPID RESPONSE FROM FIRST RESPONDERS.
AND THAT REDUCING COSTS FOR, UM, RESPONSES AND MAINTAINING OUR AVAILABILITY TO, TO RESPOND TO MORE SERIOUS, MORE ACUTE EMERGENCIES.
SO WE'RE STARTING TO GET A LITTLE BIT MORE DATA.
WHY, WHY THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ELIGIBLE FOR NURSE NAVIGATION OR FOR CAJON AND COMMUNITY CARE ON THE LOWER LEVEL, UM, ACUITY CALLS, WHY THEY ARE ACCESSING 9 1 1.
AND SO HERE'S A QUICK BREAKDOWN AND, AND ALL THIS DATA IS COMING FROM, UH, GMR, WHO'S THE VENDOR WHO, WHO IS PROVIDING THIS SERVICE.
SO 44% OF THE CALLERS PERCEIVED THAT THEY HAD A LIFE-THREATENING EMERGENCY.
33% OF THE CALLERS HAD NO OTHER TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS, AND 21% DID NOT KNOW OF OTHER OPTIONS OR COULD NOT GET AN OP APPOINTMENT TO SEE A MEDICAL PROFESSIONAL.
AND AS FAR AS THE PAYER CLASS GOES, AND HERE'S A QUICK BREAKDOWN.
SO 33% OF THE CALLERS WERE MEDICARE, UH, 31% WERE MEDI-CAL, 20% WERE OTHERS.
SO THAT MIGHT BE VA AND DIFFERENT PROGRAMS. UH, NINE, UM, 14% WERE COMMERCIAL HEALTH INSURANCE, AND THEN 2% WERE UNINSURED.
SO HERE'S A QUICK ESTIMATE OF WHAT THE COST SAVINGS WOULD, WOULD BE OVERALL ON THE SYSTEM.
AND OBVIOUSLY THIS IS NOT EXACT SCIENCE BECAUSE A LOT OF IT IS JUST EXTRAPOLATED AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE COST IS.
BUT, UH, BASED ON GMR CALCULATIONS, THEY BELIEVE THAT OVER THE NINE MONTH PERIOD, THERE'S COST SAVINGS TO THE SYSTEM OF $372,000.
AND SO WE KIND OF TRIED TO BACK OUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT ARE THE COSTS FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, UH, AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, THE CALLS THAT WE DID NOT END UP HAVING TO RESPOND TO THE LOWER, LOWER, UH, LOWER ACUITY LEVEL CALLS.
AND, UH, SO THIS IS VERY CONSERVATIVE ESTIMATE, BUT WE'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT $77,000, UM, TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS IDENTIFIED IS THAT THE PROGRAM IS PROMOTING EQUITY OF CARE ACROSS, UH, THE CITY BY PROVIDING SERVICES TRADITIONALLY UNDERSERVED, UH, COMMUNITIES.
AND THIS IS, UM, KIND OF LAID OUT IN, IN THE HEAT MAP THAT WE WERE PROVIDED BY THE VENDOR.
AND SO THAT WAS A QUICK UPDATE DONE ON, UH, EL CAJON COMMUNITY CARE.
AND, UH, I'M OPEN FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.
SO THAT'S A PRETTY HIGH PERCENTAGE, I THINK.
UM, AND MY QUESTION IS, IS THERE ANY WAY THAT WE MAYBE COULD PARTNER WITH SOME OF THE LOCAL COMMUNITY CLINICS, UM, TO DO PSA SPOTS ON THE RADIO, UM, LIKE THEY DO IN MEXICO? IF YOU LISTEN TO 91 X OR YOU LISTEN TO ANOTHER STATION THAT IS BASED IN MEXICO, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE ALL KINDS OF PSSAS ABOUT, OH, IF YOU WANNA RUN FOR THIS, YOU KNOW, YOU NEED TO DO THIS AND DON'T LET ANYBODY BULLY YOU IF YOU, YOU KNOW, DON'T DO FENTANYL BECAUSE OF BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.
AND THEY GIVE ALL KINDS OF INSTRUCTIONS AND THEY'RE ON THE AIR ALL THE TIME.
AND I'M JUST WONDERING IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD MAYBE DO PARTNERING WITH, UM, ANOTHER, UM, LIKE A HEALTHCARE CENTER RADIO STATION AND KIND OF GET THESE PSAS OUT AND EDUCATE THE PUBLIC A LITTLE AT A TIME.
WELL, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
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WE'RE ACTUALLY REALLY FORTUNATE TO HAVE A GREAT PARTNERSHIP WITH GROSSMONT HEALTHCARE DISTRICT.AND, UM, THEY HAVE BEEN REALLY HELPING US OUT GETTING THE WORD OUT.
UM, WE PARTNERED WITH SAN YSIDRO HEALTH, WE DID PROBABLY HALF A DOZEN PLUS COMMUNITY OUTREACH PROGRAMS OVER THE PAST NINE MONTHS.
AND, UH, WE CONTINUE THOSE EFFORTS.
UH, UH, HEALTH, HEALTH EDUCATION OUTREACH.
LET'S GO BACK TO SLIDE ONE IF YOU COULD THEN SLIDE TWO.
UH, SO 500 CALLERS AND 96% MANAGED, DID NOT CLINICALLY REQUIRE RAPID RESPONSE.
UH, YOU'RE NOT SAYING THAT 96% OF THE 500 CALLERS ENDED UP AVOIDING, UH, UH, FIRE DEPARTMENT EMS CALL, ARE YOU? NO.
SO THERE IS STILL A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE WHO ENDED UP GOING TO THE, UH, EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT.
AND THERE'S A COUPLE DIFFERENT REASONS.
ONE OF THE REASONS IS COMMUNITY CLINICS, UH, AND, UH, UH, AND DIFFERENT PLACES WHERE PEOPLE WOULD BE ABLE TO GO DURING, AFTER HOURS, I MEAN, DURING NORMAL HOURS.
THOSE FACILITIES ARE NOT AVAILABLE DURING AFTER HOURS, SO THEY WILL END UP HAVING TO GO TO THE EMERGENCY ROOM AFTER ALL.
BUT WHAT IT'S TELLING IS, IT WASN'T NECESSARILY US SENDING OUT OUR RESOURCES TO TAKE THOSE PEOPLE, UM, TO THE EMERGENCY ROOM.
THERE'S EITHER THE LIFT COMPONENT OR THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO USE A, A LOWER LEVEL, UH, AMBULANCE TRANSPORT THAT IS NON-URGENT.
IT, IT'S SIMILAR TO, UH, POLICE DEPARTMENTS CALL STACKING BASED ON THE SEVERITY OF OF, OF THE CALLER, UH, PROBLEM.
THEY MIGHT BE WAITING UP TO FIVE HOURS FOR, FOR AN AMBULANCE TO COME AND TAKE HIM TO THE FACILITY THAT THEY NEED TO GET HELP.
WE KNOW THAT THIS IS A VOLUNTARY PROGRAM.
SO A CALLER CALLING 9 1 1 IS TOLD, HEY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO TALK TO A NURSE NAVIGATOR? AND IT APPEARS 500 PEOPLE SAID YES.
DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA HOW MANY PEOPLE SAID NO, I WANT A 9 1 1 RESPONSE.
UH, THE FEEDBACK THAT WE'RE GETTING FROM OUR DISPATCH CENTER IS ABOUT 90 PLUS PERCENT OF THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN OFFERED THE SERVICE.
UH, THEY, THEY TAKE THE SERVICE, SOME OF 'EM DO COME BACK, AND I DON'T HAVE THE STATISTICS RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME, BUT I BELIEVE IT'S LESS THAN 10% WHO END UP COMING BACK INTO THE, UH, 9 1 1 SYSTEM, THE ONES WHO HAVE CALLED AND, AND, AND END UP CALLING BACK AND, AND WANTING A, UH, 9 1 1 1 RESPONSE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, CHIEF? SO YOU MENTIONED THE $77,000 IN COST SAVINGS.
AND THE PROGRAM COSTS ABOUT A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS A YEAR.
UM, DO YOU EXPECT THAT THERE'S POTENTIAL TO, UH, INCREASE THOSE COST SAVINGS SO THAT IT BECOMES REVENUE NEUTRAL AT SOME POINT? THAT'S THE GOAL.
THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, THAT WE HAVE BEEN WORKING AT.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH, THIS IS A, UH, PILOT PROGRAM.
THIS IS A FIRST PROGRAM OF ITS KIND IN THIS STATE.
AND, AND WE'RE DEALING WITH A LOT OF, UM, LOCAL EMS AND STATE EMS AGENCIES WHO, WHO REGULATE, UM, THIS TYPE OF PROGRAM.
SO WE STARTED OFF VERY CONSERVATIVE.
WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DID NOT HAVE A PROGRAM THAT WAS FAILING, SO THE PEOPLE WHO END UP GETTING NAVIGATED WOULD GET THE APPROPRIATE LEVEL OF CARE AND THEY WOULD NOT FALL THROUGH THE CRACKS.
SO AS WE'VE BEEN WORKING, UM, OVER THE LAST NINE MONTHS, WE HAVE STAFF HERE WHO HAVE BEEN WORKING TIRELESSLY TRYING TO TUNE IT UP WHERE WE CAN OPEN IT UP TO MORE AND MORE CALLERS.
AND, UH, ONE OF THE BENEFITS THAT WE'VE HAD LAST YEAR IS WE ENDED UP GETTING A, UM, MEDICAL DIRECTOR FOR THE, UH, COMMUNICATION CENTER WHO IS ABLE TO WORK WITH THE COUNTY EMS, WHERE WE'RE NOW EXPANDING SOME OF THE DIFFERENT CALL TYPES THAT ARE ABLE TO BE NAVIGATED.
SO YOU HAVE A MEDICAL DIRECTOR, THIS IS A SHARED MEDICAL DIRECTOR FOR HEART? YES.
SO IF, IF A NURSE RUNS INTO SOMETHING THAT THEY DON'T FEEL LIKE THEY CAN HANDLE THAT, CAN THEY CALL FOR ADVICE FROM THAT MEDICAL DIRECTOR? THE MEDICAL DIRECTOR ISN'T NECESSARILY AVAILABLE 24 7, BUT THE MEDICAL DI DIRECTOR WILL REVIEW THE CALL AND MAKE ADJUSTMENTS
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WORK ON PROTOCOLS AND CORRECT.UM, WELL, I, I LIKE THE IDEA OF, OF THIS PROGRAM, AND I THINK THAT ONCE PEOPLE GET MORE USED TO IT, YOU'LL SEE INCREASING COST SAVINGS EVERY YEAR.
UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE ANY OTHER NEW PROGRAM, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO EMS OR MEDICINE OF ANY KIND, PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE NERVOUS ABOUT IT AT FIRST.
AND I THINK THAT AS THEY BECOME USED TO THE IDEA OF THAT THEY'RE GONNA BE MORE OPEN AND RECEPTIVE TO TAKING THE ADVICE OF THE NURSE AND NOT NECESSARILY RUNNING OFF TO THE, UH, ER ALL THE TIME.
SO ANYWAY, THAT'S FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH.
UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE CHIEF? THANKS CHIEF.
UM, DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS? NO SPEAKER CARDS, SIR.
SO THIS IS JUST, UM, AN INFORMATION ITEM.
UH, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY MORE DISCUSSION ABOUT IT? JUST, JUST ONE MORE.
I, I LOVE COUNCIL MEMBER MITCHELL'S IDEA ABOUT A COMMUNITY-BASED EDUCATION PROGRAM.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN LEAN ON OUR, UH, GROSSMONT SHARP PARTNERS THAT CAN BRING A PACKAGED EDUCATION PROGRAM TOGETHER FOR THE PUBLIC OF WHEN TO CALL 9 1 1, AND THEN THAT CAN BE TRANSLATED INTO THE VARIOUS LANGUAGES THAT OUR RESIDENTS SPEAK IN EL CAJON.
MY, YEAH, SORRY TO INTERRUPT YOU.
MY GUESS IS THAT THERE ARE PROBABLY GRANT OPPORTUNITIES FOR THIS, RIGHT? AND WE COULD PROBABLY PARTNER WITH SOME OF THE LOCAL HOSPITALS TO SEE IF THEY CAN HELP US DEVELOP A GRANT.
AND THIS ISN'T, THIS GOES BACK TO THE, UH, THIS STUDY THAT WAS DONE WHEN, WHEN WE GO TO THIS WORKSHOP, THE OTHER QUESTION THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, OR THE OTHER, YEAH, THE OTHER QUESTION I'D LIKE TO SEE ANSWERED IS, BASED ON OUR MUTUAL AID CALLS, WHAT DO WE NEED? WHAT KIND OF PERSONNEL AND APPARATUSES DO WE NEED TO CATCH UP? SO DO WE NEED TWO SQUAD TRUCKS, AN AMBULANCE AND A FIRE TRUCK? AND THEN WHAT'S THE COST OF THAT? AND THEN, SO THAT'S ONE QUESTION.
THE SECOND QUESTION THAT I'D LIKE TO SEE ANSWERED IS, BASED ON PROJECTED GROWTH OF POPULATION WITHIN THE CITY, WHAT WILL WE NEED? WHAT DO WE ANTICIPATE? I, I THINK, I HOPE THE STUDY GAVE US THE INFORMATION TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS, BUT AT A GLANCE, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT ANSWER WAS GIVEN TO US IN THE STUDY.
AND I THINK THAT'S REALLY WHERE THE CON MOST OF MY CONCERN IS, IS THE MUTUAL AID CALLS, WE'RE NOT TAKING CARE OF OUR RESPONSIBILITY.
THE MINIMUM STANDARD OF GOVERNMENT'S RESPONSIBILITY IS FIRE AND POLICE.
AND SO I THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE MY BIGGEST OBJECTIVE IN THE WORKSHOP IS WHERE'S OUR MUTUAL AID CALLS? WHAT DO WE NEED? WHAT WILL WE NEED? AND HOW MUCH WILL IT COST? THAT'S EXACTLY WHY I THINK WE NEED THAT EXTRA TIME TO FIGURE THAT OUT.
I THINK THE STUDY DOES GIVE US THE BASIC, AS COUNCIL MEMBER GOBEL SAID, DATA RICH DATA.
I I DO THINK UNDERSTANDING WHERE WE'RE GETTING, UM, MUTUAL AID BY STATION WOULD BE VALUABLE TOO.
YOU OVERLAY THAT WITH THE MAP THAT WE, THE EXISTING MAPS AND THE STUDY, AND THAT WILL KIND OF HELP PINPOINT THE BASIC GEOGRAPHIC AREA OF WHERE ANOTHER STATION WOULD NEED TO BE, IF THAT IS THE SOLUTION.
AND I THINK IF WE CAN IDENTIFY WHAT THE LONG-TERM GOAL IS.
BECAUSE IF YOU'RE GONNA BUILD ONE STATION, YOU MAY AS WELL BUILD IT THE RIGHT WAY.
AND THEN YOU FIGURE OUT HOW, HOW DO YOU STAFF IT WITH WHAT TYPE OF STAFF? IS IT MORE SQUADS? IS IT A FULL ENGINE? IS IT AN ENGINE AND A TRUCK? ALL THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
AND THERE'S SOME SHORT-TERM GOALS.
THERE'S SOME MEDIUM TERM GOALS.
EVEN IF THE COUNCIL TODAY SAID, STAFF GO BUILD A STATION THAT'S STILL FIVE YEARS OUT.
YOU GOTTA FIND PROPERTY, YOU GOTTA NEGOTIATE PROPERTY, YOU GOTTA BUILD IT.
YOU GOTTA, YOU CAN DO ALL THE RFP FOR IT.
YOU GOTTA HIRE, YOU GOTTA FIND PEOPLE TO MAN IT.
SO, UM, WE HAVE TO COME UP WITH SOME SOLUTIONS SOONER THAN FIVE YEARS FROM NOW.
AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE THE PURPOSE OF THE, OF THE WORKSHOP.
AND I, I MEAN, I KNOW THIS IS PIE IN THE SKY, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S ANY PROPERTY IN THE NORTH AREA, CITY PROPER THAT'S UP FOR SALE THAT COULD HOUSE THE STATION.
SO ARE WE LIMITED TO PROPERTY WITHIN THE CITY OR COULD WE POTENTIALLY PURCHASE A PROPERTY OUTSIDE OF THE CITY FORESTATION, BECAUSE THAT BORDER OF THE CITY KIND OF ZIGZAGS.
AND SO THAT'S ANOTHER QUESTION THAT MIGHT NEED TO BE ANSWERED.
COULD WE GO OUTSIDE OF THE CITY TO PURCHASE A PROPERTY FOR OUR USE? OKAY.
UM, SO JUST LOOKING FOR A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE REPORT.
MOTION CARRIES BY YOUR UNANIMOUS VOTE.
UH, BEFORE GET INTO ITEM 10, I HAVE TO RECUSE MYSELF FROM THIS BECAUSE THE, MY COMPANY DOES BUSINESS WITH THE COMPANY THAT'S SELLING THE PROPERTY, SO I WILL RECUSE MYSELF.
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THANK YOU.[10. Real Estate Sale Agreement (405 East Lexington Avenue) RECOMMENDATION: That the City Council adopts the next Resolution, in order, approving the Real Estate Sale Agreement with Centro de Salud de la Comunidad de San Ysidro, Inc., for the purchase of 405 East Lexington Avenue.]
ESTATE CIVIL AGREEMENT WITH 4 0 5 EAST LEXINGTON AVENUE STAFF.UH, LIKE TO PRESENT THIS TO US, PLEASE.
THANK YOU, MR. DEPUTY MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, UH, BACK IN AUGUST, EARLIER THIS YEAR, THE CITY COUNCIL DIRECTED STAFF TO NEGOTIATE THE PURCHASE OF 4 0 5 EAST LEXINGTON AVENUE AND THE CURRENT OWNER OF SAN YSIDRO HEALTH.
ON SEPTEMBER 21ST, BOTH THE PARTIES CAME TOGETHER AND APPROVED OR EXECUTED A LETTER OF INTENT TO PURCHASE THE PROPERTY.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE LETTER, TWO THINGS THE LETTER OF INTENT DID IS SAID, ONE, WE'RE GONNA STRIVE TO WORK TOWARD A PURCHASE AGREEMENT OR A REAL ESTATE SALE AGREEMENT.
AND IT ALSO IDENTIFIED THE SPECIFIC PURCHASE PRICE, WHICH IS 2.5 MILLION AND SOME CHANGE SINCE THE EXECUTION OF THE INTENT LETTER OF INTENT, THAT REAL ESTATE AGREEMENT HAS BEEN NEGOTIATED.
BOTH PARTIES HAVE FOUND IT ACCEPTABLE, AND NOW WE'RE PRESENTING IT TO BOTH OF OUR GOVERNING BODIES.
UM, IF THE COUNCIL WERE TO APPROVE THE AGREEMENT, THAT'S WHEN THE DUE DILIGENCE PERIOD BEGINS.
OUR STAFF IS READY TO GO OUT AND START SOME INSPECTIONS.
WE'VE ALREADY DONE SOME OF THE, THE PAPERWORK INSPECTIONS TO UNDERSTAND SOME OF THE RAMIFICATIONS OF THE BUILDING.
UM, ASSUMING WE FIND NOTHING OF CONCERN, STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND WE CLOSE ESCROW AS AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
BUT WE, IT'S, WE HAVE A 30 DAY ESCROW.
UM, AND, UH, IF WE DO FIND CONCERNS, UH, THAT ARE, THAT WARRANT ENOUGH CONCERN, WE'LL BRING THAT BACK.
I JUST WANNA POINT OUT, BECAUSE WE'RE USING FEDERAL AMERICAN RESPONSE PLAN ACT FUNDS, THERE ARE SOME PROVISIONS THAT WE'VE NEVER INCLUDED IN A PURCHASE AGREEMENT THAT INCLUDE THAT FEDERAL ACQUISITION LANGUAGE THAT'S REQUIRED BY, BY FEDERAL LAW.
SO, UM, STAFF'S HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE.
AND IF THERE ARE NONE, OR ONCE THOSE QUESTIONS ARE ANSWERED, STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THE COUNCIL ADOPT THE RESOLUTION APPROVING THE PURCHASE AGREEMENT.
ANGELA, DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS ON THE ITEM? YES, SIR.
I WASN'T ACTUALLY SURE WHAT I'M SUPPOSED TO THINK ABOUT THIS ITEM.
WE GOT THE CITY BUYING REAL ESTATE FROM SAN YSIDRO HEALTH USING OVER 2.5 MILLION IN DEBT DOLLARS FROM THE AMERICAN RUINATION PLAN ACT.
I'VE SEEN WORSE USES OF THESE DEBT DOLLARS BEFORE.
I'VE ALSO SEEN ONE BETTER USE A TEMPORARY FIRE STATION.
BUT GOVERNMENT INVOLVED IN THE REAL ESTATE MARKET, I CANNOT ACCEPT.
I FIND IT VERY UNUSUAL AND JUST WRONG.
I THINK IT COULD EVEN BE ARGUED THAT THE CITY WON'T REALLY OWN IT SINCE ITS PURCHASE WITH ALL CASH FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
ALSO WANNA POINT OUT FOR THE PUBLIC'S KNOWLEDGE THAT THE LETTER OF INTENT SAYS, QUOTE, THE CITY OF EL CAJON, A CALIFORNIA CHARTER CITY AND MUNICIPAL CORPORATION END QUOTE FOR ANYONE STILL STUCK IN FAIRY TALE LAND.
THE REALITY IS THAT THESE ENTITIES MASQUERADING THEMSELVES AS GOVERNMENTS ARE REALLY CORPORATIONS.
THAT'S WHAT TO BE INCORPORATED REALLY MEANS.
IT ALSO MEANS THAT OUR TRUE GOVERNMENTS HAVE ESSENTIALLY BEEN USURPED AND REPLACED WITH THESE BUSINESSES THAT FRANKLY DON'T NEED OUR INPUT TO CONTINUE JUST STAR TAXES.
BUT ANYWAY, I'M NOT ACTUALLY AGAINST THE USE OF THIS BUILDING TO BE SOMETHING BETTER LIKE THE SMALL BUSINESS INCUBATOR IDEA.
I JUST DON'T LIKE THE IDEA OF GOVERNMENT INVOLVED IN REAL ESTATE.
I GET, I SEE ENOUGH OF THAT ALREADY, BUT THANK YOU.
UH, CLARIFICATION FOR CITY STAFF.
THERE WAS A COMMENT THERE MEETING THAT WE WON'T OWN IT.
WE WILL OWN THIS BUILDING, CORRECT? YEAH.
WE'LL OWN TITLE TO THE BUILDING.
ANY OTHER SPEAKER CARDS? NO OTHER CARDS, SIR.
ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? UM, NO.
SO ONCE WE, ONCE WE GO THROUGH, WILL WE HAVE, UM, AND MAYBE MR. MITCHELL CAN ANSWER THIS.
IF WE GO IN AND WE FIND THAT THERE'S GONNA BE A PROBLEM, UM, HOW MUCH TIME DO WE HAVE TO BACK OUT IT? IT'S A 30 DAY ESCROW, SO WE'LL DO INSPECTIONS PRE-HOLIDAY, UM, CITY HALL CLOSURE.
SO WE'LL GET THAT TAKEN CARE OF THIS NEXT WEEK.
UH, THAT WILL GIVE US TIME IF WE DO FIND SOME PROBLEMS TO RENEGOTIATE ANYTHING PART OF THE AGREEMENT, UH, IF THAT CAN'T BE ACCOMPLISHED, THEN WE'LL BRING THAT BACK FOR CITY COUNCIL CONSIDERATION.
BUT WE HAVE 30 DAYS TO BACK OUT.
BUT IF WE, WE HAVEN'T SIGNED, WE HAVE, WE HAVE YET TO OPEN ESCROW.
WE CAN'T OPEN ESCROW UNTIL THE COUNCIL APPROVES THIS AGREEMENT.
ONCE YOU APPROVE THIS AGREEMENT, WE CAN THEN OPEN ESCROW.
ONCE ESCROW OPENS, WE CAN START THE INSPECTION OF THE PROPERTY.
BUT THAT'S KIND OF MY POINT TODAY IS THE 12TH, IF WE APPROVE IT, IT GETS WHAT, UM, DRAFTED UP THIS WEEK AND WE'RE TALKING THROUGH THE HOLIDAYS TRYING TO GET AN, UH, UM, WHAT DO YOU CALL IT? AN APPRAISAL?
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NO, THAT'S ALL TAKEN CARE OF.WE RELIED ON ONE OF THEIR APPRAISALS.
THE AGREEMENT'S ALREADY DRAFTED.
THE ONE THAT YOU SEE BEFORE YOU IS A HUNDRED PERCENT APPROVED BY BOTH, BOTH LEGAL COUNSEL.
SO ONCE, ONCE THE COUNSEL, IF THE COUNSEL WERE TO APPROVE THIS, WE'RE READY TO DO IN INSPECT, OPEN AN ESCROW THIS WEEK AND START INSPECTIONS.
I I FOUND THAT, UH, NEITHER PARTY IS USING THE SERVICES OF A BROKER.
UH, AND THAT SAVES THE TAXPAYERS UP TO $150,000 IN CUSTOMARY BROKER FEES.
BUT BECAUSE WE WERE ABLE TO TALK AGENCY TO AGENCY AND WORK THIS OUT, UH, THAT SAVES TAXPAYERS A LOT OF MONEY.
SO THAT'S A VERY GOOD, VERY GOOD MOVE.
UH, I WANTED TO THANK SANDY CIDRA HEALTH FOR OFF, UH, OPERATING IN GOOD FAITH.
WE APPRECIATE, UM, ALL YOU'VE DONE IN THIS PROCESS, UM, TO MAKE IT EASY, STREAMLINED AND TRANSPARENT FOR, UH, THE TAXPAYERS AND OUR CITY.
I THINK IT'S ALSO A GOOD USE OF THE BUILDING.
UH, WE'RE, WE'RE IN NEGOTIATION WITH THE CHALDEAN COMMUNITY COUNCIL FOR, UH, THEIR EXISTING TENANCY TO CARRY OVER UNDER A NEW LEASE WITH THE CITY.
UH, THAT PARTICULAR AGENCY'S VERY EFFECTIVE IN HELPING PERHAPS ONE IN FIVE PEOPLE IN EL CAJON WHO ARE OF MIDDLE EASTERN AND CHALDEAN, UH, DESCENT.
SO THIS WOULD PROVIDE A VERY LOW COST, ALMOST NO COST OPTION FOR A SOCIAL SERVICE AGENCY TO PROVIDE SERVICES TO UP TO 20% OF OUR CITY.
THAT'S A GOOD USE OF THIS MONEY.
AND THE, THE SMALL BUSINESS INCUBATOR, AGAIN, TRYING TO HELP PEOPLE SUCCEED IN AMERICA BY LOWERING THE COST OF ENTRY, UH, WITH PERHAPS A LOW RENT, UH, THING THERE.
I THINK THIS IS A GREAT USE OF TAXPAYER MONEY TO HELP OUR EXISTING RESIDENTS AND FUTURE RESIDENTS.
SO, UH, JOB WELL DONE ON THIS.
I'LL LOOK TO THE COUNCIL IF ANYBODY WANTS TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION.
YEAH, I'LL MOVE, I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION TO APPROVE, UH, THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION.
MOTION CARRIES BY A FOUR ZERO VOTE WITH MAYOR WILLS RECUSING HIMSELF AS HE DOES BUSINESS WITH THE SELLER OF THE PROPERTY.
LET'S GRAB THE MAYOR AND THEN WE'LL, UH, CONTINUE ON WITH ITEM 11.
THANK YOU, COUNSEL, IF I CAN GET THE, MY POWERPOINT SLIDE UP PLEASE.
[11. Award of RFP No. 023-24 – Small Business Incubator Operator RECOMMENDATION: That the City Council: Determines that the project is exempt from the California Environmental Quality Act (CEQA) pursuant to section 15301 of the state CEQA Guidelines; and Adopts the next Resolution, in order, to authorize the City Manager to negotiate a lease agreement for a portion of the building at 405 E. Lexington Avenue with the Chaldean Community Council effective upon the close of escrow and transfer of title of the property to the City.]
IS THE AWARD OF THE, OF RFP NUMBER 0 2 3 DASH 24 SMALL BUSINESS INCUBATOR OPERATOR IN ASK CITY MANAGER.UH, ALSO EARLIER THIS YEAR, IN SEPTEMBER, ON SEPTEMBER 28TH, THE CITY ISSUED A REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL FOR A SMALL BUSINESS INCUBATOR OPERATOR SERVICE.
THE PURPOSE OF THE INCUBATOR INCUBATOR IS TO HELP EITHER START UP OUR NEW BUSINESSES THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN EL CAJON TO GROW AND EXPAND ALSO INTO EL CAJON OR EAST COUNTY REGION.
UM, THE CITY IS NOT CONTRIBUTING ANY FINANCIAL RESOURCES TO THE INCUBATOR OPERATOR AT THIS TIME, NOR TO ANY OF THE BUSINESS PARTICIPANTS.
BUT WHAT OUR ROLE IS, IS TO PROVIDE APPROXIMATELY 3000 SQUARE FEET OF SPACE, ASSUMING THE BUILDING, UH, THAT THE CITY COUNCIL JUST CONSIDERED DOES CLOSE ESCROW, THAT WOULD BE THE PROPOSED SITE FOR THE BUSINESS INCUBATOR.
UM, THE CITY WOULD CONTRIBUTE ABOUT A MIL.
UH, THE CITY WOULD RECEIVE ABOUT A A DOLLAR PER YEAR IN LEASE PAYMENT FOR THAT PLUS, UH, UTILITIES.
UM, ONE PROPOSAL WAS RECEIVED BY THE NOVEMBER 7TH DEADLINE, AND THE PROPOSAL WAS REVIEWED BY AN INDEPENDENT THREE PARTY OR THREE PERSON EVALUATION COMMITTEE.
THE COMMITTEE LOOKED AT, UH, EXPERIENCE AND ITS BUSINESS PLAN, THE TYPES OF SERVICES THAT WOULD BE OFFERED, THE FINANCING PLAN, THE METRICS THAT THEY WOULD BE USING TO ASSESS, ASSESS THEIR SUCCESS, AND ALSO READINESS TO OPERATE.
UM, AFTER THE EVALUATION, STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE, THE ONE PROPOSAL RECEIVED FROM CHALDEAN COMMUNITY COUNCIL, UH, BEST MEETS THE CITY'S NEEDS.
AND SO WITH THAT, STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THE CITY COUNCIL CONSIDER THIS AS PART OF THE MOTION TO MOVE FORWARD.
IF THE CITY COUNCIL CHOOSES TO DO SO.
IT'S A TWO PART, BUT COULD BE DONE IN THE SAME MOTION.
ONE, IT WOULD BE DETERMINED, IT WOULD DETERMINE THAT THIS IS EXEMPT FROM CQA.
AND THEN SECOND WOULD BE TO ADOPT THE RESOLUTION, WHICH WOULD AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER TO START NEGOTIATING A LEASE AGREEMENT FOR THIS 3000 SQUARE FOOT SPACE.
STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THE LEASE AGREEMENT INCLUDE SOME PERFORMANCE MEASUREMENTS THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED SO WE CAN ASSESS THE, UM, EFFECTIVENESS OF THE INCUBATOR PROGRAM AND TO ENSURE
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THAT OUR PROPERTY IS BEING USED FOR THE BEST USE FOR THE COMMUNITY.SO WITH THAT, UM, STAFF'S HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE, UM, OR TO, UH, UH, ADDRESS ANY THINGS THAT WERE NOT ADDRESSED IN THE REPORT.
UM, I KNOW THAT WE WOULD NOT BE RUNNING THE PROGRAM, BUT WHO DECIDES WHO GETS TO PARTICIPATE IN THE INCUBATOR PROGRAM AND TO MAKE SURE THAT, THAT IT'S SPREAD OUT EQUITABLY ACROSS THE CITY? WE HAVE SEVERAL COMMUNITIES HERE, UM, CALLED DN A, UH, HISPANIC AND OTHERS.
AND I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IF WE WERE TO GO THROUGH THIS, THAT EACH COMMUNITY HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO SEND SOMEONE TO THAT OR TO PARTICIPATE IN IT.
SO ONE OF THE, THE INCUBATION PROCESS INCLUDES AN APPLICATION, THEN THERE'S AN INITIAL SCREENING, AND THEN THERE'S BOARD APPROVAL.
UH, THE BOARD AS IT'S CURRENTLY CONSTITUTE, INCLUDES 10 DIFFERENT MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY.
THEY RANGE FROM INDIVIDUALS LIKE, UH, RICK WILSON FROM THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE.
UM, I'LL JUST THROW OUT A COUPLE OTHER NAMES OF PEOPLE YOU WOULD KNOW.
UM, IBRAHIM, UH, AHMED FROM SENATOR OR, UH, SUPERVISOR JOEL ANDERSON'S OFFICE.
UH, DR. GARY WOODS FROM THE GROSSMONT SCHOOL DISTRICT.
SO THERE'S A WIDE VARIETY OF PEOPLE THAT WOULD BE PART OF THAT SCREENING AND THAT GOVERNING BODY.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WOULD ACTUALLY RECOMMEND IS ONE OF THE METRICS THAT WE LOOK AT IS AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHO APPLIED, WHERE DO THEY COME FROM, ARE THEY HERE LOCALLY, UH, AND WHO WAS ACCEPTED.
SO, SO WE HAVE A GOOD UNDERSTANDING OF, OF, UM, THE ACCEPTANCE RATES.
I THINK IT WOULD ALSO BE HELPFUL TO UNDERSTAND AS PART OF THE, WHAT I'LL RECOMMEND IS PROBABLY A QUARTERLY REPORT, DIFFERENT OUTREACH EFFORTS THAT THEY'RE MAKING, MAKING TO REACH DIFFERENT MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY, UM, AND MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S, UH, A, A WIDE NET BEING CAST OUT.
UM, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'VE GOT A GOOD BOARD ON THERE, A GOOD SELECTION OF PEOPLE ON THE BOARD.
UM, THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN IN POSITIONS THAT, UH, SERVICE A LOT OF PEOPLE IN VARIOUS COMMUNITIES IN OUR CITY.
WELL, I, I KNOW A LOT OF THE, THE BOARD MEMBERS THAT, UH, THE CITY MANAGER TALKED ABOUT, AND THEY'RE ALL REALLY GREAT PEOPLE.
THEY'RE HEAVY HITTERS, VERY INFLUENTIAL, AND I TRUST THEIR JUDGMENT.
YOU KNOW, I'LL GIVE YOU A STORY ABOUT A LADY THAT THIS WOULD BE PERFECT FOR.
SHE'S HELPING AN AFGHANI WOMAN TRY TO BECOME HER OWN BUS, OWN HER OWN BUSINESS.
SHE'S CURRENTLY A SEAMSTRESS AT NORDSTROM'S DOWN IN MISSION VALLEY, BUT SHE'D LIKE TO HAVE MORE OF A CLIENTELE OUT HERE IN EAST COUNTY.
AND SHE'D LIKE TO DEVELOP HER OWN BUSINESS, BUT SHE DOESN'T WANT CLIENTS COMING TO HER HOME FOR OBVIOUS REASONS WHEN IT COMES TO FITTING AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SHE JUST NEEDS AN OFFICE SPACE TO, TO MEET WITH CLIENTS AND TO DECIDE HOW TO, TO BEST, UH, TAILOR THEIR CLOTHES.
AND SHE JUST NEEDS A PLACE TO GO UNTIL SHE CAN BUILD UP ENOUGH BUSINESS TO PERHAPS RENT HER OWN SPACE SOMEWHERE IN THE CITY.
THIS IS A GREAT EXAMPLE OF TRYING TO HELP SOMEBODY WHO HAS IMMIGRATED TO THIS COUNTRY, WHO WANTS TO DO BETTER IN THE AMERICAN DREAM.
AND WE'RE PROVIDING A LOW COST OPTION FOR THIS PERSON TO REALLY BECOME A, A VERY PRODUCTIVE MEMBER OF SOCIETY.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S A GREAT EXAMPLE OF WHAT THIS INCUBATOR COULD HELP HER DO.
YEAH, JUST TO PIGGYBACK OFF OF MR. GOEBBELS, UH, I AM SO EXCITED ABOUT THIS PROJECT.
I MEAN, THIS INCUBATOR EMBODIES WHAT THE AMERICAN DREAM IS ABOUT IS YOU COME TO THE UNITED STATES, OR YOU'VE GROWN UP IN THE UNITED STATES, YOU PUT YOUR WORK IN, YOU HAVE AN IDEA, AND YOU TRY YOUR BEST.
AND THE COMMUNITY COMES AROUND TO HELP YOU ACCOMPLISH THAT DREAM.
I BOOTSTRAPPED MY OWN BUSINESS BY MYSELF.
MY COMMUNITY CAME AROUND AND HELPED ME.
AND AN EXAMPLE, ANOTHER ONE I'LL GIVE IS CONNOR TOUR FROM TOUR KNIVES.
HE STARTED HIS COMPANY IN HIS GARAGE MACHINING KNIVES, UH, BY HIMSELF.
AND NOW HE, HE, HE LEASES 20 OR 15 SPACES IN EL CAJON WITH A HUGE MANUFACTURING OPERATION, ONLY HIRES VETERANS, TRAINS THEM FROM ZERO EXPERIENCE TO BE, UH, COMPETENT MACHINISTS.
AND, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH BIGGER COULD TOUR KNIVES HAVE BEEN HAD HE HAD SOME HELP ON THE FRONT END, UH, WITH SOME SPACE AND SOME, MAYBE SOME GRANTS OR SOME HR HELP, SOME LEGAL HELP, SOME PAYROLL HELP.
AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT THIS, UM, UM, INCUBATOR IS GOING TO DO.
SO, I, I COULDN'T BE MORE EXCITED ABOUT THIS AND
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ALL THE BUSINESSES THAT ARE GONNA FLOURISH FROM IT AND GETTING REPORTS.SO I CAN'T, I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE.
I, I TAUGHT A CLASS DOWN AT SOUTHWESTERN COLLEGE ABOUT 10 YEARS AGO, AND IT WAS CALLED STARTING AND OPERATING A SMALL BUSINESS.
AND ABOUT 70% OF MY STUDENTS WERE IMMIGRANTS, AND THEY REALLY HAD A FIRE IN THEIR BELLY FOR, YOU KNOW, SUCCEEDING IN THAT AMERICAN DREAM.
'CAUSE A LOT OF THE COUNTRIES THEY CAME FROM, IT WAS ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO START A SMALL BUSINESS.
AND THEY WOULD COME BACK TO ME AFTER A COUPLE YEARS AND SAY, HEY, MR. KENDRICK, I'VE GOT THIS BUSINESS NOW AND I'M, I'M EMPLOYING 10 PEOPLE AND DOING REALLY WELL.
YOU KNOW, THANK YOU FOR ALL THAT YOU TAUGHT ME.
AND THAT WAS A REALLY GREAT FEELING.
AND I THINK WE HAVE THAT KIND OF OPPORTUNITY HERE WITH VERY SUCCESSFUL BUSINESSMEN THAT ARE INVOLVED, UH, WITH THIS BUSINESS INCUBATOR.
AND SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, YOU JUST NEED SOMEBODY THAT'S BEEN SUCCESSFUL TELL YOU HOW TO DO THINGS FROM GETTING YOUR, UH, RESALE LICENSE FROM THE STATE AND OPENING THE PROPER ACCOUNTS.
'CAUSE SOME OF THESE PEOPLE, THEY'RE LIKE REALLY GOOD COOKS, BUT THEY DON'T KNOW A WHOLE LOT ABOUT BUSINESS OR, OR MAKING A SUCCESSFUL BUSINESS.
AND THIS WILL HELP THEM TREMENDOUSLY.
UH, ARE THERE ANY, UH, SPEAKER CARDS ON THE SIGN? YES, SIR.
WE HAVE ONE CARD SUBMITTED BY KAY TURPEN AND DR.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION TO START THE EL CAJON SMALL BUSINESS INCUBATOR.
WE ARE VERY EXCITED ABOUT DOING THIS PROJECT.
AS ALL OF YOU MENTIONED, THERE ARE MANY, ACTUALLY MORE THAN 1500 INCUBATOR IN, IN AMERICA TODAY AND REALLY HELP MANY BUSINESSES GROWING.
SOME OF THESE BUSINESSES NOW ARE WORTH BILLIONS OF DOLLARS.
THEY STARTED IN AN INCUBATOR PROJECT.
AND SO THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR OUR CITY, FOR OUR COMMUNITY TO BUILD THIS, UH, CONCEPT AND DEVELOP OUR ECONOMY FURTHER AND CREATE WEALTH BOOST ECONOMY AND, UH, CREATE JOBS IN EL CAJON.
SO WE ARE VERY EXCITED AND THANK YOU TO ALL OF YOU.
AND, UH, AS, UH, OUR, UH, CONGO, UH, COUNCILMAN, UH, STEVE MENTIONED THE LADY, HER NAME IS SAMIRA.
SHE ACTUALLY APPROACHED US AND SHE CAME FROM AFGHANISTAN TWO YEARS AGO.
SHE FLED THE COUNTRY AND NOW SHE'S LIVING IN EL CAHOON.
AND WHEN SHE FOUND OUT ABOUT THE INCUBATOR IDEA, SHE CAME TO OUR OFFICE AND SHE SAID, I WANNA BE A PART OF THIS INCUBATOR.
I WANNA BE A FASHION DESIGNER, AND I WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW ABOUT ME.
SO REALLY IT'S AN EXCITING, UH, UH, CONCEPT THAT WE'RE GONNA WORK TOGETHER WITH THE CITY, WITH THE, UH, GRAM AND WITH ALL OF YOU THAT WE ARE GONNA HAVE THIS INCUBATOR GROWING OVER TIME.
I'M BUILDING MORE BUSINESS IN EL CAJON.
LEMME SEE THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS FOR YOU.
UH, FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT DON'T KNOW, DR.
BARKA CAME HERE A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO WITH ALMOST NOTHING AND CREATED A MULTIMILLION DOLLAR BUSINESS.
CAL BIOTECH, DO I HAVE THAT NAME RIGHT? YES.
EMPLOYING VERY MANY PEOPLE AND HAS BEEN VERY GENEROUS IN THIS COMMUNITY AND TRAINING PEOPLE AND HIRING MANY, MANY PEOPLE THAT PROBABLY WOULDN'T HAVE GOTTEN JOBS OTHERWISE.
SO HE'S AN INTEGRAL PART OF THIS GROUP, AND, UH, I THINK THAT'S REALLY GREAT.
HE'S GIVING BACK TO THE COMMUNITY YET AGAIN.
AND AS COUNCIL MANGAR MENTIONED, I STARTED ACTUALLY 30 BUSINESS BESIDE CAL BIOTECH.
I DID START 30 BUSINESSES IN EL CALHOUN, AND I WANNA DO MORE.
UH, BRING IT BACK TO THE COUNCIL.
ANY MORE DISCUSSION OR WOULD SOMEBODY LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION? YEAH, I'LL MOVE TO DETERMINE THAT THE PROJECT IS EXEMPT IS EXEMPT FROM CQA AND ADOPT THE RESOLUTION OUTLIED IN STAFF REPORT.
MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.
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ITEM 12[12. 2023 Annual Pension Status Report RECOMMENDATION: That the City Council receives the Annual Pension Status Report.]
IS THE 2023 ANNUAL PENSION STATUS REPORT, AND I'D LIKE TO ASK OUR STAFF TO TELL US ABOUT THIS ITEM.GOOD AFTERNOON, HONORABLE MAYOR, DISTINGUISHED MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL.
I'M THE DIRECTOR OF FINANCE FOR THE CITY OF EL CAJON.
I'M HERE TODAY TO PRESENT THE LATEST INSTALLMENT OF THE PENSION STATUS REPORT.
THIS REPORT IS REQUIRED BY THE CITY'S PENSION FUNDING POLICY.
SPECIFICALLY, THE POLICY REQUIRES THAT STAFF PRESENTS A SUMMARY OF EACH OF THE TWO PENSION PLANS, FUNDING STATUS, ANY NEW AMORTIZATION LEVELS PRESENTED IN A PUBLIC CITY COUNCIL MEETING, AND THEN MAKE ANY RECOMMENDED ACTIONS OR BUDGET ADJUSTMENTS.
WE WILL JUMP RIGHT INTO THIS CHART THAT I KNOW YOU ALL KNOW SO WELL AT THIS POINT.
UH, THIS IS A 20 YEAR HISTORY OF CALPERS INVESTMENT RETURNS.
UH, UNFORTUNATELY THAT FREQUENTLY IS THE LEAD STORY ON THE SUBJECT OF PENSIONS FOR US.
UM, AS YOU RECALL, THE LAST TIME WE WERE HERE ON THIS SUBJECT, IT WAS COMING OFF THE VERY, UH, SUCCESSFUL 2021, UH, INVESTMENT SEASON WHERE CALPERS DELIVERED A STAGGERING 21.3% RETURN.
UM, WE WERE VERY CAUTIOUS AT THAT TIME BECAUSE WE ALREADY KNEW WHAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN AND HAD HAPPENED ACTUALLY AT THAT POINT, UH, IN 2022, R CALPERS HAD TURNED AROUND AND LOST 6.1%.
HOW THAT AFFECTS OUR BALANCES, UH, AT THE END OF JUNE 30TH, 2022.
THAT'S THE MOST RECENTLY COMPLETED ACTUARIAL REPORTS.
UH, THE TOTAL LIABILITY, UH, FOR THE TWO PENSION PLANS COMBINED IS APPROXIMATELY $664 MILLION, OF WHICH WE HAVE ASSETS OF APPROXIMATELY 400, EXCUSE ME, 549 MILLION SET ASIDE.
THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THOSE TWO, OF COURSE, IS THE UNFUNDED LIABILITY FOR THE TWO PENSIONS.
CURRENTLY IT'S $115.2 MILLION.
UM, IF YOU RECALL LAST WE WERE DISCUSSING THIS, WE WERE VERY LEERY ABOUT THE VERY, VERY GOOD NEWS WE WERE RECEIVING FROM THE 2021 REPORTS BECAUSE WE KNEW HOW THIS WAS GONNA SHAKE OUT.
AND BROADLY SPEAKING, THE VERY GOOD YEAR IN 21 WAS OFFSET BY THE BAD YEAR IN 22.
SO I THINK THE, THE ENDING BALANCE HERE IN 2022 IS, IS PROBABLY ABOUT RIGHT WHERE WE REALLY ARE WITH THE PLAN.
UM, COMBINED AT THE END, UH, THE TOTAL FUNDING STATUS WAS APPROXIMATELY 82.6%.
OUR PENSION POLICY STATES THAT OUR TARGETED FUNDING PERCENTAGE IS 90%.
SO WE'RE A LITTLE BIT BELOW THAT, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE CERTAINLY WANNA STATE IN THE BALLPARK IT'S IMPORTANT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE UNFUNDED LIABILITY WITH CALPERS, THOUGH WE, THAT WE DO NOT LOSE, UH, SIGHT OF THE FACT THAT WE HAVE ISSUED A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF PENSION OBLIGATION BONDS TO HELP ON THE SUBJECT.
UM, IN 2021, WE ISSUED $147 MILLION OF BONDS, UM, BY THE END OF 2022.
UM, WE HAD ALREADY BEGUN TO SERVICE THAT DEBT.
UM, WE HAVE WRITTEN DOWN THE PRINCIPLE BALANCE BY APPROXIMATELY $5 MILLION AND MADE THE INTEREST PAYMENTS AT THE SAME TIME ALL TAKEN TOGETHER, UH, THE CALPERS LIABILITY AND THE POB PRINCIPLE OUTSTANDING.
UH, COMBINED, WE HAVE A TOTAL PENSION RELATED DEBT OF APPROXIMATELY $257.5 MILLION.
THE 2022 VALUATION REPORTS SAW THE ADDITION OF FIVE ADDITIONAL, UH, AMORTIZATION, UH, LINES.
UM, THIS IS KIND OF A UNIQUE SITUATION.
THE FIRST ONE, UH, SAFETY FROM THE SAFETY PLAN, A BENEFIT CHANGE WAS ALSO PRESENT IN THE MISCELLANEOUS PLAN AS WELL.
HOWEVER, IT WAS ALL GROUPED TOGETHER IN THAT BOTTOM LINE FOR PARTIAL FRESH, FRESH START IN 2022, UM, SSB 1168 WAS PASSED.
THAT INCREASED THE LUMP SUM PAYOUT TO SOMEONE, A RETIREE, UH, AT DEATH, UH, FROM $500 TO $2,000 IN THAT CUMULATIVELY INCREASED THE SAFETY PLAN OF, UH, ABOUT $175,000.
UM, THE MOST, UH, SIGNIFICANT COMPONENT OF COURSE, UH, ON THESE ARE THE TWO, UH, INVESTMENT GAIN LOSS LINES.
UM, SAFETY IS CALLED OUT INDIVIDUALLY, UH, WITH THE $52.4 MILLION ADDITION TO OUR LIABILITY.
UM, THAT, HOWEVER, IN THE MISCELLANEOUS PLAN IS MIXED UP IN THE PARTIAL FRESH START LINE, UM, AT THE END OF 2021.
THERE WERE VERY, VERY LITTLE LEFT, UH, AS FAR AS AMORTIZATION BASES
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IN THE MISCELLANEOUS PLAN.SO WHEN THEY ROLLED IN THE 22 LEVELS, THEY DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH TO WORK WITH, SO THEY ENDED UP COMBINING IT TOGETHER.
UNFORTUNATELY, THAT KIND OF HIDES THE TOTAL IMPACT FROM THE INVESTMENT LOSS IN THE, UH, MISCELLANEOUS PLAN.
BUT AS YOU CAN SEE, THE, THE FIVE LINES TOGETHER ADDED APPROXIMATELY A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS TO OUR TWO PLANS, UM, WITH THE VAST MAJORITY OF THAT COMING FROM THE INVESTMENT LOSS.
INCLUDED IN THE ACTU ORDER REPORTS IS, UH, THE ANTICIPATED, UH, EMPLOYER CONTRIBUTIONS TO THE TWO PLANS.
UM, THE 2025 BALANCES IS THE ONLY THING THAT'S REQUIRED AT, AT THIS TIME.
THE YEARS PROJECTED BEYOND THAT ARE INFORMATIONAL EACH YEAR.
THEY ONLY GO SO FAR AS SAYING WHAT NEXT YEAR'S BILL IS.
UH, THE REST IS JUST WHAT THEY ARE ANTICIPATING AT THIS TIME.
NEXT YEAR, WE EXPECT TO HAVE, UH, APPROXIMATELY $6 MILLION CITYWIDE OF UNFUNDED LIABILITY AMORTIZATION PAYMENTS.
THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE NORMAL COST, WHICH IS GOING TO BE APPROXIMATELY ANOTHER $6 MILLION.
UM, DEBT SERVICE PAYMENTS ARE ANOTHER $9 MILLION ON THE PABS, AND WE'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED ADDITIONAL AND ADDITIONAL PAYMENT, UH, IN NEXT YEAR OF APPROXIMATELY THREE AND A HALF MILLION.
SO IN 2025, WE ANTICIPATE, UH, TOTAL CONTRIBUTIONS TO THE TWO PLANS TO BE SOMEWHERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF $25 MILLION.
PART OF THE PENSION FUNDING POLICY IS A DISCUSSION OF THE ALLOCATION OF ADDITIONAL RESOURCES.
UH, IN UH, SHORT, THIS BASICALLY STATES THAT WHEN WE HAVE EXCESS MONEY, WE SHOULD CONSIDER, UH, CONTRIBUTING IT TO THE TWO PLANS.
UM, HOWEVER, WE ALREADY HAVE, UH, AUTHORIZED THE INCLUSION OF A PLAN OF ADDITIONAL CONTRIBUTIONS.
WE DISCUSSED IT AT LAST YEAR'S MID-YEAR REPORT.
UM, THAT CARRIES ON FOR TWO MORE YEARS.
THEREFORE, WE ARE NOT RECOMMENDING ANY, ANY ADDITIONAL ACTION AT THIS TIME.
HOWEVER, I SUSPECT, GIVEN THAT THE GRAVITY OF THIS TOPIC, UH, WE WILL REVISIT IT AGAIN, UH, AT PRESENTATION OF THE FIVE-YEAR BUSINESS PLAN AND MID-YEAR REPORT IN FEBRUARY OR MARCH OF 2024, AND THEN AGAIN IN PRESENTATION OF THE FY 25 BUDGET IN JUNE.
UM, OTHERWISE THE NEXT UPDATE FOR THE PENSION STATUS REPORT IS SCHEDULED FOR THE FALL OF 2024.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE THEM.
UM, MR. SHANE, FOR YOUR REPORT QUESTION, ARE WE DOING EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN TO MITIGATE THE, UH, UNFUNDED PORTIONS? I AND I, I, I APOLOGIZE IF THAT'S AN IGNORANT QUESTION, BUT IT WAS CERTAINLY NOT AN IGNORANT QUESTION.
I JUST, THE WORD CHOICE OF MITIGATE IS AN INTERESTING ONE.
UH, WE ARE, I HATE TO USE THE WORD VICTIM BECAUSE WE CERTAINLY DON'T HAVE A BA BYSTANDER ROLE, BUT, UH, THE MANAGEMENT OF THE PENSION PLAN IS DONE BY CALPERS.
THAT IS THE AGENCY WE HAVE EFFECTIVELY CONTRACTED WITH TO ADMINISTER THESE PLANS FOR US.
UM, SO THEY GIVE US A BILL EVERY YEAR, AND WE HAVE VERY LITTLE POWER TO AFFECT WHAT THAT BILL LOOKS LIKE.
THERE ARE A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT WE HAVE DONE THAT CITY COUNCIL HAS APPROVED THAT HELPS LOWER THAT OVERALL EXPOSURE.
UH, THE, UH, ISSUANCE OF THE PENSION OBLIGATION BONDS HELPS AN AWFUL LOT.
UM, WE FORTUNATELY WITH WHERE INTEREST RATES ARE NOW, THE RATE THAT WE ISSUED THE BONDS AT LOOK LIKE IN HINDSIGHT AN INCREDIBLE DEAL.
HOWEVER, THE TIMELINES HERE ARE EXTREMELY LONG AND IT TAKES A LONG TIME TO SEE THAT.
ADDITIONALLY, EVERY YEAR WE PROGRESSIVELY SEE MORE AND MORE EMPLOYEES JOIN THE CITY'S WORKFORCE THAT ARE PEPPER EMPLOYEES THAT HAVE LOWER BENEFITS, WHICH DOES BRING DOWN THAT, THAT OVERALL LIABILITY AS WELL.
BUT THE SHORT ANSWER IS WE PAY WHAT THEY TELL US WE NEED TO PAY, AND WHEN WE CAN, WE, YOU KNOW, TRY TO GET AHEAD OF THAT SO WE'RE NOT PAYING INTEREST ON THE DEBT.
THANK YOU FOR EXPLAINING THAT TO ME.
LIKE I SAID, IT WAS KIND OF AN IGNORANT QUESTION BECAUSE I JUST DON'T KNOW.
CAN WE GO BACK TO THE SECOND SLIDE?
AND I KNOW MAYBE OUR ASSETS ARE NOT IN SUCH A RISKY POSITION AS THE S AND P 500, BUT EVEN IF WE HAD
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HALF OF THAT, SAY 6%, 6% ON OF THE $548 MILLION IN ASSETS MIGHT BE $30 MILLION THAT WE'VE ACTUALLY GROWN IN MARKET VALUE SINCE THAT DATE.UH, SO OUR UNFUNDED COULD DROP FROM 115 MILLION DOWN TO 80 MILLION.
ARE YOU? UM, NO, ACTUALLY I'M NOT.
UM, CALPERS HAS RELEASED THEIR PRELIMINARY JUNE 30TH, 2023 INVESTMENT RETURNS AND THEY RETURN 5.8%, WHICH IS CERTAINLY A WHOLE HECK OF A LOT BETTER THAN LOSING 6.1%.
UM, BUT THEIR TARGETED RETURNS ARE 6.8.
SO WHEN THEY FALL SHORT OF THAT, IT GROWS OUR LIABILITY.
SO THAT 1% SHORTFALL, DEPENDING ON HOW YOU CHOOSE TO CALCULATE IT, COST US.
IF YOU'RE USING LIABILITY AS THE BASE, APPROXIMATELY $7 MILLION, AND IF YOU LOOK AT IT, UH, WHAT THE ACTUAL ASSETS WOULD EARN APPROXIMATELY FIVE AND A HALF MILLION.
SO THAT UNFUNDED LIABILITY WILL GROW.
UNFORTUNATELY, I EXPECT WITH THE JUNE 30TH, 2023 VALUATION REPORTS BECAUSE CALPERS IS MISSING ITS TARGETS.
AND TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, THEY HAVE AN INTERESTING THING ON THIS.
WELL, I THINK IT'S INTERESTING.
ANYWAYS, ON THIS CHART, UM, THERE'S A VERY DIFFICULT TO SEE PROBABLY ON THIS SCREEN DOTTED LINE THAT SHOWS THEIR FIVE YEAR MOVING AVERAGE OF RETURNS.
AND WHEN YOU LOOK TO SEE WHERE THAT LINE IS RELATIVE TO THE TARGET OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS, THEY'RE AVERAGING ON TARGET.
HOWEVER, THE TIMING OF THOSE UP AND DOWNS, WHICH ESPECIALLY IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS HAVE BEEN VERY WIDE SWINGS AND IT HAS, IT HAS BEEN DETRIMENTAL AND A, A NET IMPACT.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW THIS ANSWER, MAYBE CITY MANAGER OR UH, ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER.
IS CALPERS BOARDS STILL LIMITING THEIR INVESTMENT OPPORTUNITY BASED OFF OF IDEOLOGY? I THINK THE IMPACT OF THAT IS FAR LESS THAN IT ONCE WAS.
THERE WAS A CON, BOY, THIS IS GOING BACK A COUPLE OF YEARS, BUT THERE WAS A, A SIGNIFICANT, UH, UH, CHANGE ON THE REPRESENTATION ON THE BOARD TO TRY TO BREAK AWAY FROM SOME OF THAT, UM, HOW SUCCESSFUL THEY'VE BEEN IN ENACTING THAT.
IT'S HARD TO SAY, OBVIOUSLY SOME INVESTMENTS YOU CAN'T JUST GET OUT OF, UH, UH, QUICKLY.
SO IT MIGHT BE A WHILE BEFORE WE FULLY REMOVE THAT INFLUENCE ON IT.
BUT I THINK THEY HAVE BEEN MOVING IN THAT DIRECTION TO LESSEN THAT IMPACT.
HOWEVER, VINCENT AND I WERE JUST TALKING, UM, THERE IS SOME NEW RECENT POLICY WHERE CALPERS IS DIVESTING ITSELF OF ALL FOSSIL FUEL ASSETS.
ANYBODY ELSE? CLAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS ON THE ITEM? NO SPEAKER CARDS, SIR.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION WHERE SOMEONE WOULD LIKE TO PROCEED WITH A MOTION? YEAH, I'LL MOVE TO RECEIVE THE REPORT.
MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.
ALL RIGHT, WE'RE DOWN TO OUR LAST TWO ADMINISTRATIVE REPORTS.
UH, ITEM 14 IS FOR THE AWARD OF AN RFP NUMBER 0 2 7 THROUGH, UH, DASH 24 MEASURE DAY POLLING SERVICES.
AND I'LL ASK OUR CITY MANAGER TO PLEASE INTRODUCE THIS ITEM.
I THINK WE'RE STRAIGHT OVER 13, PLEASE, MAYOR.
SEE, I'M JUST, UH, KIND OF EXCITED TO GET THROUGH.
I, I WISH THERE WERE MORE ITEMS. OKAY.
[13. The Wall that Heals – Vietnam Veterans Memorial Replica and Mobile Education Center RECOMMENDATION: That the City Council approves the use of Wells Park to host The Wall that Heals for one week in the Spring of 2024, waiver of facility rental fees, and approval to operate overnight.]
13 IS A REQUEST TO HOST THE WALL THAT HEALS.I'LL ASK STAFF TO PLEASE INTRODUCE THIS ITEM.
UH, GOOD AFTERNOON, UH, HONORABLE MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS AND CITY STAFF.
UH, MY NAME IS ADAM TRON RUD, CITY OF VECO PARKS AND RECREATION.
UM, UM, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY.
UH, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TODAY TO TELL YOU ABOUT THE WALL THAT HEAL IN 1982.
THE VIETNAM, UH, VETERANS MEMORIAL FUND WAS DE DEDICATED THE VIETNAM VETERANS MEMORIAL IN WASHINGTON DC.
UH, SINCE ITS DEDICATION, IT HAS BECOME ONE OF THE MOST VISITED MEMORIALS WITH OVER 5 MILLION VISITS EACH YEAR.
YET MILLIONS OF OTHERS ARE STILL UNABLE TO ATTEND THE WALL.
IN 1996, THE VVMF RECOGNIZED A NEED TO PROVIDE A TRAVELING VERSION OF THE MEMORIAL AND THE WALL THAT HEALS WAS DEDICATED
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TO THIS DAY.THIS IS ACCOMPLISHED THROUGH ONGOING AND CLOSE COOPERATION BETWEEN THE HOSTING ORGANIZATIONS, THEIR COMMUNITIES, AND THE VVMF.
THE WALL THAT HEALS IS THE LARGEST REPLICA, THE ONLY ONE WHOLLY OWNED AND OPERATED BY A NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION, AND THE ONLY ONE ACCOMPANIED BY THE MOBILE EDUCATION CENTER.
UH, JEFF MUELLER HAS FORMED AN ALL VOLUNTEER COMMITTEE AND SUBMITTED WELLS PARK FOR CONSIDERATION TO HOST THE WALL THAT HEALS.
UH, THE VVMF HAS NOTIFIED MR. MUELLER THAT THE CITY OF EL CAJON IS A FINALIST FOR A SPRING 2024 DATE IF APPROVED BY COUNSEL, UH, THE COMMITTEE WILL RECRUIT VOLUNTEERS, RA AND RAISE FUNDS TO PAY FOR SPECIFIC NEEDS OF THE EVENT.
AND MR. MUELLER IS HERE TODAY WITH SOME OF HIS COMMITTEE MEMBERS IN CASE YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
UH, THE WALL WOULD ARRIVE ON A TUESDAY WITH SETUP TAKING PLACE WEDNESDAY, AND THE DISPLAY AND EDUCATION CENTER WOULD BE OPEN 24 HOURS A DAY, THURSDAY THROUGH SUNDAY.
UH, I HAVE INCLUDED A MAP, UH, OF THE PROPOSED LAYOUT AND WELLS PARK MEETS THE NEEDS OF THE WALL WITH PARKING, PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION, AND A LARGE ENOUGH FIELD TO ACCOMMODATE THE SIZE.
SO IF YOU CAN REFER TO THE WALL, AND I KNOW IT'S, OR TO THE, UH, MAP, I KNOW IT'S DIFFICULT TO SEE, BUT THE BLUE BOX WOULD BE WHERE THE MOBILE EDUCATION CENTER WOULD BE.
AND THE RED LINE ACROSS THE MULTI-SPORT FIELD IS THE LEGITIMATE LENGTH, UM, OF THE WALL.
IT, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S QUITE IMPRESSIVE.
UM, AND THEN I HAVE A SHORT VIDEO FOR YOU JUST TO KIND OF SHOW YOU WHAT, WHAT, WHAT THIS DOES IN COMMUNITIES.
IT'S A DIFFERENT EXPERIENCE TO SEE IT.
I'VE SEEN A LOT OF PICTURES OF IT ALL OVER AND DONE A LOT OF READING ABOUT IT, BUT IT BRINGS BACK A LOT OF MEMORIES.
BUT, UH, IT'S, KIDS NEED SOMETHING TO STAND UP FOR, AND THIS IS PART OF IT BECAUSE EVERYBODY GIVES THEIR LIFE SOMETHING SOONER.
EVERYBODY THAT TAUGHT ME ANYTHING IN THE ARMY WERE VIETNAM VETERANS.
THEY WERE MY TEACHERS AND MY MENTORS.
I THINK THIS COUNTRY OWES THEM A, A GREAT DEBT OF GRATITUDE FOR WHAT THEY WENT THROUGH AND WHAT THEY DID.
I DID NOT MAKE THE VIDEO, BUT IT IS FANTASTIC
UM, SO, UH, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE THAT THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVES THE USE OF WELLS PARK TO HOST THE WALL THAT HEALS FOR ONE WEEK IN THE SPRING OF 2024, WAIVER OF RENTAL, UH, FACILITY, RENTAL FEES AND APPROVAL TO OPERATE OVERNIGHT.
AND I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE OR IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. MUELLER.
LET ME SEE IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS FOR YOU.
UM, I HAVE FAMILY MEMBERS THAT ARE VE VIETNAM VETERANS, UM, AND UNFORTUNATELY THEY PASSED.
BUT, UM, MY QUESTION IS, YOU SAID THEY'RE, UM, THIS ORGANIZATION IS A FINALIST.
SO IS THIS, THERE'S STILL A SELECTION PROCESS THAT NEEDS TO FLESH OUT OR ARE WE DEFINITELY GONNA HOST IT HERE? UM, WITH COUNCIL'S APPROVAL, I FEEL EXTREMELY CONFIDENT THAT THAT WOULD HAPPEN.
UM, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE WE WOULD HAVE TO DO TO PUSH THEM OVER THE EDGE TO BE
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SELECTED, YOU KNOW, A RESOLUTION OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, OR NOT AT THIS TIME, NO.UM, AND WITH THE FUNDRAISING, I KNOW WE'RE HELPING OUT, UM, WITH REGARD TO WAIVER OF FACILITY FEES, WHAT OTHER COSTS ARE ASSOCIATED, WOULD IT BE APPROPRIATE FOR THE CITY TO, TO COVER SOMETHING IF THERE'S A GAP THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE TO MAKE SURE THAT I'D LIKE TO THERE HAVE MR. MUELLER ANSWER SOMETHING.
UM, I DO HAVE, UH, A, A COMMITTEE OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE KIND OF COME TOGETHER.
I'VE NEVER DONE ANYTHING LIKE THIS BEFORE, SO I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH, UH, WITH ADAM TO GET THIS DONE.
I'VE, I'VE SPOKEN WITH, UH, MS. MITCHELL AS WELL.
UM, AS FAR AS, UH, WE'RE NOT REALLY SURE THE ENTIRE EXTENT OF WHAT WE'RE GONNA NEED.
UH, WE'VE LITERALLY KNOWN FOR A MATTER OF HOURS THAT WE ARE ACTUALLY, WE HAVE BEEN SELECTED FOR THIS.
UH, BUT WE DO NEED COUNCIL'S APPROVAL IN ORDER TO PUT THE RUBBER STAMP ON IT AND MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, A MEETS B.
UM, SO WE, UH, WE ARE ON THE, UH, ON THE LIST.
IF YOU GO TO THE VVMF WEBSITE, WE'RE ACTUALLY ON THE LIST RIGHT NOW.
UM, I WILL BE GETTING A LOT MORE INFORMATION FROM THEM NOW THAT THEY'VE MADE THIS OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT AS OF A FEW HOURS AGO.
UM, BUT TO, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, I'M NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE AT THIS POINT, BUT IT WILL BE ALL TAKEN CARE OF BY, UH, FUNDRAISING AND I'LL BE WORKING WITH ADAM AS WELL.
I, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IF THE CITY COULD STEP IN, IF THE FUNDRAISING OPTIONS AREN'T POSSIBLE, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S APPROPRIATE TO, WE COULD PUT CITY FUNDS TOWARDS IT.
IS THAT, IS, IS THAT POSSIBLE AT, AT ALL IN THIS, IN THIS TIGHT TIMELINE OR, I, I, I THINK, I THINK SO.
I, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE FIGURE OUT, YOU KNOW, THE COMMITTEE, THE COMMITTEE, TRY TO DO THEIR BEST EFFORT, AND IF THERE'S A GAP, MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN BRING BACK FOR CITY COUNCIL CONSIDERATION.
UM, AND DO WE KNOW WHERE THE NEXT CLOSEST LOCATION IS FOR THE FINALISTS? 'CAUSE IF IT'S NOWHERE IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA, I'D IMAGINE THAT THERE'S GONNA BE, IT'S A REGIONAL DRAW FOR ALL OF SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA.
FROM MY RESEARCH, AND I'M NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE ABOUT THIS FROM MY RESEARCH THE LAST TIME THE WALL HAS BEEN HERE BEFORE.
UH, THE LAST TIME, I BELIEVE IT WAS 2016 ON THE DECK OF THE MIDWAY.
UM, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S BEEN EVEN IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA SINCE THEN.
UH, BUT THAT WAS AS CLOSE AS IT CAME TO SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA THIS YEAR.
UM, THEY'RE STARTING IN HAWAII, BUT THEN THEY'RE MOVING TO BALDWIN PARK, CALIFORNIA UP IN LA.
UM, AND THEN THEY'RE MOVING TO MERCED AFTER THAT.
SO THIS IS, IT'S GONNA BE A REGIONAL, THIS IS THE ONLY THING IN, IN SAN DIEGO COUNTY.
WELL, THANK YOU FOR, FOR DOING THIS.
I THINK IT'S TIMELY THAT WE JUST APPROVED A LOCATION FOR OUR OWN, UH, VETERANS MEMORIAL HERE IN THE CITY.
SO IT'LL BE A GOOD PRIMER FOR, UM, THE DRAW AND, AND, UH, THE, UH, THE OUTREACH AND MAYBE CHRIS, OUR MARKETING MANAGER, IF AND WHEN WE'RE SELECTED TO GET THAT VIDEO AND PROMOTED ON OUR CITY'S WEBSITE SO WE CAN THAT'D BE GREAT.
I CAN SAY, UM, MR. MUELLER JUST FOUND OUT HOURS AGO THAT IF COUNSEL DOES APPROVE THIS, THAT WE WILL BE A SITE.
AND WHAT'S, AND WE HAVE, WHAT'S THE DATE? AND WE HAVE TENTATIVE DATES OF THE WEEK OF THE 19TH THROUGH THE 21ST FOURTH.
AND THE ACTUAL DISPLAY, I BELIEVE IS THE 21ST TO THE 24TH.
21ST THROUGH THE 24TH OF APRIL.
OBVIOUSLY IF COUNSEL APPROVES THAT OF MARCH.
OF MARCH, SORRY, I WAS TRYING TO SEE IF WE COULD TIE IT INTO MAIN STREET OR SOMETHING, BUT IF IT WAS THE SAME, CLOSE TO THE SAME TIME, BUT MARCH IS.
MARCH YOUR BEST, MICHELLE, THANK YOU FOR THIS.
UM, MY FATHER DID THREE TOURS IN NAMM, BROTHER-IN-LAW, SPENT TIME OVER THERE AND MY NEIGHBOR AS WELL.
UM, SO THIS IS VERY GOOD TO HEAR.
I'VE NEVER BEEN ABLE TO GET OUT TO SEE THE WALL ITSELF, SO I'M EXCITED FOR THIS.
AND, UM, VERY TOUCHED TO WATCH THE VIDEO BECAUSE IT DOES MEAN A LOT.
UM, SECURITY WHO WILL BE PROVIDING THE SECURITY.
WILL OUR POLICE OFFICERS NEED TO DO THAT, OR WILL YOU HAVE 24 HOUR SECURITY? I DON'T KNOW QUITE YET.
UM, AGAIN, I'VE, I'M ALSO, UH, AWAITING TO FIND OUT WHAT PARAMETERS WE'LL NEED TO, UM, WELL, LET ME STEP BACK.
IF, IF IT'S APPROVED THAT WE'RE ABLE TO KEEP PARK OPEN IN 24 HOURS, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW, UH, WHAT YOUR REQUIREMENTS ARE FOR THAT.
IF WE NEED TO GET PRIVATE SECURITY, WE CAN DO THAT.
UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS INVOLVED IN HAVING ELON PD DO THAT, BUT I IMAGINE THAT WOULD BE QUITE A BIT OF OVERTIME.
UM, MY OTHER QUESTION IS, UM, HAVE YOU REACHED OUT TO BECCA, THE VETERANS OF EAST COUNTY ALLIANCE? THAT IS A ORGANIZATION THROUGH OUR CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, AND WHICH I'M INVOLVED WITH.
AND I BELIEVE SOME OF OUR OTHER MEMBERS, UH, ON THE COUNCIL ARE AS WELL.
AND, UM, THAT'S AN ORGANIZATION FULL OF VETERANS, UH, BUSINESS OWNERS AND SPOUSES AND CHILDREN OF VETS.
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TOGETHER, UH, FREQUENTLY.WE PLUS WE HAVE A LOT OF VFWS.
SO I IMAGINE THAT SINCE THIS IS A A GO AND I CAN'T IMAGINE US SAYING NO AS A COUNCIL, THAT THOSE WOULD, UH, ALSO BE ORGANIZATIONS THAT WE COULD REACH OUT TO.
AND I THINK THEY WOULD JUMP AT THE CHANCE TO BE A PART OF THIS.
UM, AND SO JUST PUTTING IT OUT THERE, THAT'D BE OUTSTANDING.
ACTUALLY, MY VOLUNTEER COORDINATOR, JUDITH, THIS YEAR, SHE'S UH, SHE'S GONNA BE OUR VOLUNTEER COORDINATOR COORDINATING ALL THE VOLUNTEERS FOR BOTH SETUP FOR TAKE DOWN.
AND, UM, SO SHE WOULD BE THE ONE TO CONTACT FOR THAT.
I DO HAVE A WEBSITE THAT'S READY TO LAUNCH, AND ONCE I GET YOUR APPROVAL, AND NOW THAT I HAVE EVMS APPROVAL, I CAN ACTUALLY LAUNCH THAT WEBSITE AS WELL.
AND THAT'LL HAVE A LOT OF INFORMATION THERE.
I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THIS.
AND, YOU KNOW, I WAS JUST THINKING, UM, JUST KIND OF PUTTING IT OUT THERE, UM, MY NEIGHBOR'S SON HAS PLAYED WITH GARY SINISE, UM, THE LIEUTENANT DAN BAND, SO, YOU KNOW, WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET THEM TO COME OUT AND, AND DO A LITTLE HELP.
SO PLEASE FEEL FREE TO REACH OUT TO ME, UM, IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU'D LIKE TO DO.
'CAUSE THEN I'LL JUST HIT MY NEIGHBOR UP AND SAY, LOOK, CALL YOUR BOY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, GENTLEMEN? THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING AND CONGRATULATIONS FOR PREEMPTIVELY
UM, ARE THERE ANY, UH, SPEAKER CARDS ON THIS ITEM? YES, SIR.
THERE NEEDS TO BE LOTS OF PEOPLE SPEAKING ABOUT THIS IN SUPPORT.
I'M GONNA SAY BOTH OF MY PARENTS ARE ACTUALLY VETERANS, BUT NOT FROM VIETNAM.
SO WERE THEY, I GUESS, UH, I DON'T THINK ANY OF US HAVE ACTUALLY SEEN THE, THE WALL OR A REPLICA OF IT.
AND I THINK I REMEMBER BACK IN 2016 TALKING TO MY DAD ABOUT THAT.
WE HAD CONSIDERED GOING TO THE MIDWAY.
I DON'T, I DON'T THINK WE DID.
SO IT WOULD BE GREAT TO SEE IT SOMEWHERE AT THIS IS MY BEST CHANCE.
IF I'M NOT AT A MEETING, I MAYBE I CAN ACTUALLY GO.
THAT'S NOT TOO MUCH MONEY TO HAVE A, A GREAT EVENT THAT'S GONNA BRING THE REPLICA OF THE WALL TO THE CITY AND MAYBE SOME TOURISM.
AND MICHELLE, I LIKE ALL OF YOUR IDEAS.
I THINK YOU COULD DEFINITELY MAKE IT A BIG EVENT AND A BIG CELEBRATION OF ALL THE PEOPLE THAT SERVED.
'CAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T EVEN KNOW ABOUT VIETNAM.
I'M GONNA BRING IT DOWN JUST A LITTLE BIT AND THEN I'LL BRING IT BACK UP.
UM, BECAUSE WE COULD ARGUE ALL DAY LONG ABOUT HOW AMERICA SHOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN AT VIETNAM, ALONG WITH ALL THE OTHER PLACES AROUND THE WORLD THAT THEY HAVE BEEN AND ARE CURRENTLY.
BUT IT DOESN'T CHANGE THE FACT THAT EVERYONE WILLINGLY GAVE THEIR LIVES IN SERVICE OF THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT, BELIEVING THAT THEY WERE SECURING FREEDOM FOR THEIR FELLOW AMERICANS.
AND DESPITE POLITICAL DISAGREEMENTS AND MEDIA PROPAGANDA, AND NO ONE FROM VIETNAM DESERVED THE DISRESPECT THAT SO MANY RECEIVED WHEN THEY CAME HOME, IT WAS BAD ENOUGH.
THEY SUFFERED FROM AGENT ORIGIN RIGHT ALONG WITH THE VIETNAMESE AND HAD TO DEAL WITH A COMMUNIST LIKE JANE FONDA OPENLY SIDE WITH THE ENEMY, AND PUT OUT PROPAGANDA THAT WAS AIRED TO THE SOLDIERS DURING THE WAR VIA THE RADIO.
THERE WAS ALSO PROJECT SHAD RUN BY THE CA CIA AND THE MILITARY THAT DROPPED CHEMICAL AGENTS ON OUR SOLDIERS WITHOUT THEIR KNOWLEDGE OR THEIR CONSENT.
I WOULD LIKE PEOPLE TO LOOK INTO THAT.
AND I WOULD HOPE THE MAJOR LESSON OF THAT EVENT AND EVERY SUBSEQUENT EVENT SINCE IS THAT DEFENDING FREEDOM BEGINS AT HOME.
WE'RE LOSING IT HERE AT A VERY HIGH RATE.
AND I DON'T SEE TOO MANY SOLDIERS.
THERE'S SOME REGULAR PEOPLE OUT THERE LIKE MYSELF WHO GO TO ALL THESE PLACES THAT THEY'RE STRIPPING AWAY FREEDOM AT A RAPID RATE.
AND LUCKILY IT DOESN'T HAPPEN IN ELCO.
THAT'S WHY IT'S NOT A PRIORITY FOR ME TO BE HERE, BECAUSE I GOT OTHER PLACES THAT ARE WAY BIGGER FISH TO FRY.
I WISH IT WASN'T SO, BUT IT'S, BUT ANYWAYS, I I, I THINK THIS NEEDS TO BE PASSED RIGHT AWAY SO WE CAN ALL START PLANNING TO GO IN MARCH AND HAVING A BIG CELEBRATION AND REMEMBER ALL OF THE PEOPLE WHO GAVE THEIR LIVES AND, YOU KNOW, JUST RISKED IT TRYING FOR A GREATER, A REAL GREATER GOOD, WHICH IS FREEDOM, WHETHER, HEY, WE GOT IT OR NOT, THEY DIDN'T MEAN IT.
AND WE DON'T, WE DIDN'T KNOW THE THINGS THAT WE KNOW NOW AND HOPEFULLY COULD AVOID THESE TYPES OF THINGS IN, IN, IN THE FUTURE.
BUT I LOOK FORWARD TO HOPEFULLY HAVING A CHANCE TO SEE THE WALL.
UM, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION OR WOULD SOMEBODY LIKE TO PROCEED WITH A MOTION? UH, A COMMENT.
UH, I'D BE HONORED TO SUPPORT THIS.
SO, UH, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVES THE USE OF WELLS PARK TO HOST THE WALL THAT HEALS
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FOR ONE WEEK IN THE SPRING OF 2024, WAIVER OF FACILITY RENTAL FEES AND APPROVAL TO OPERATE OVERNIGHT.MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.
UH, PLEASE KEEP US INFORMED OF, UH, WHERE IT'S GOING FROM HERE.
THANK YOU FOR COMING AND THANKS FOR ALL YOUR WORK ON THIS.
[14. Award of RFP No. 027-24 – Measure J Polling & Outreach Services RECOMMENDATION: That the City Council: Determines that the project is exempt from the California Environmental Quality Act (CEQA) pursuant to section 15378(b)(5) of the state CEQA Guidelines; and Adopts the next Resolution, in order, to enter into an agreement with Competitive Edge Research & Communication, Inc. (CERCI), in an amount not to exceed $182,000.]
14 IS FOR THE AWARD OF RFP NUMBER 0 2 7 THROUGH 2 2 4 MEASURED DAY POLLING SERVICES.AND I'LL ASK OUR CITY MANAGER TO PLEASE TALK TO US ABOUT THIS ITEM.
UH, THANK YOU MAYOR, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL.
UM, THIS IS AN ITEM THAT, UM, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IN THE PAST.
AS YOU KNOW, DURING THE LAST ELECTION, UH, WE, UH, CITY MANAGER AND I, UH, APPROACHED YOU, UM, HAVING REVIEWED POLLING DATA THAT WE CONTRACTED FOR THAT SHOWED, UH, STRONG SUPPORT FOR A RENEWAL, OR ACTUALLY AN EXPANSION OF WHAT WE CALL PROP J, PROPOSITION J UM, WE BROUGHT FORTH TO YOU, UH, TO PUT ON THE BALLOT A HALF CENT, UH, EXCUSE ME.
IT WAS A FULL, FULL CENT SALES TAX, UH, BECAUSE WE HAD SUCH STRONG SUPPORT BASED UPON THE POLLING THAT WE HAD RECEIVED.
AND THIS COUNCIL WENT AHEAD AND PUT THAT ON THE, UH, BALLOT, AND IT WAS DEFEATED QUITE HANDILY, AND IT WAS DEFEATED BY OVER 60%, UH, NO VOTE.
SO WE ATTEMPTED TO DEBRIEF WHY THAT WAS AND DIDN'T GET A REAL SATISFACTORY ANSWER.
BUT THE, THE POINT OF THE MATTER IS, IS THAT PROPOSITION J ACCOUNTS FOR APPROXIMATELY IN THE, IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF $14 MILLION OF GENERAL FUND MONEY FOR GENERAL CITY SERVICES.
AND SO WE DO NEED TO LOOK FOR WAYS TO EXTEND OR REPLACE THAT.
AND SO AS WE APPROACH THE 2024 ELECTION IN THE NEXT 11 MONTHS, UM, WE ARE STARTING WELL IN ADVANCE TO TRY AND GET THE MOST ACCURATE TAKE ON WHERE THIS COMMUNITY STANDS WITH AN EXTENSION OF THE HALF-CENT SALES TAX KNOWN AS PROP J, WHICH IS CURRENTLY SLATED TO EXPIRE IN 2028, THE END OF 2028.
SO WE EMBARKED UPON THIS, UH, REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS FOR QUALIFIED, UH, POLLING COMPANIES AND OUT THAT WOULD CONDUCT POLLING AND OUTREACH SERVICES.
UM, OVER THE COURSE OF THE NEXT 11 MONTHS, THERE WAS A COMMITTEE, UH, COMPRISED OF MR. SHANE, OUR FINANCE DIRECTOR, UM, MYSELF, UH, THE CITY MANAGER AND THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR.
AND WE LOOKED AT THE DIFFERENT, UM, I'M SORRY, MR. SHANE WAS NOT ON THAT COMMITTEE.
WE'VE DONE SO MANY COMMITTEES.
MR. SHANE WAS ON A DIFFERENT COMMITTEE.
IT WAS, IT WAS, IT WAS MR. VIEGAS, OUR MANAGEMENT ANALYST IN THE, IN THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE.
UM, SO WE INTERVIEWED, UM, A NUMBER OF ORGANIZATIONS THAT RESPONDED TO THE REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL.
AND AT THIS POINT IN TIME, WE'RE, WE'RE RECOMMENDING THAT WE SELECT COMPETITIVE EDGE RESEARCH AND COMMUNICATION, UM, IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $182,000.
AND THEY HAVE A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR BOTH POLLING AND HOW THEY'RE GONNA CONDUCT THE POLLING, AND ALSO HOW THEY'RE GONNA CONDUCT, UH, THE OUTREACH SERVICES THAT ARE SUBSEQUENT TO THAT.
SO WE WILL BE ABLE, WE THINK WITH THE PROGRAM THAT THEY'VE DESIGNED, THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO GET A VERY COMPREHENSIVE PICTURE OF WHERE THE COMMUNITY STANDS IN, IN REALLY TWO TO THREE DIFFERENT SNAPSHOTS IN TIME, AN EARLY ONE THAT WILL OCCUR SHORTLY AFTER THEY BEGIN THEIR WORK IF THIS ITEM IS AP IS APPROVED, AND THEN A ONE LATER ON, UH, AS, AS WE MOVE INTO THE SPRING AND SUMMERTIME.
AND THEN THE DESIGN OF REALLY WHERE THE OUTREACH NEEDS TO GO TO TALK TO THE VOTERS ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF EXTENDING THIS SOURCE OF REVENUE.
I THINK THE, THE CITY MANAGER AND I, UH, FEEL VERY CONFIDENT THAT WITH THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT WE'RE GIVING OURSELVES AND REALLY TAKING A LOOK AT THE VARIOUS, UH, COMPANIES THAT CAME FORTH, ALL OF WHICH WERE EXCELLENT COMPANIES, BY THE WAY, IT WAS A VERY DIFFICULT CHOICE, UH, WITH SOME VERY WELL KNOWN COMPANIES.
UM, THEY, THEY ALL SAY, AND I DO WANNA SAY THIS, THEY ALL SAID SOMETHING THAT I BELIEVE THAT I'VE FELT VERY STRONGLY, I DON'T WANNA SPEAK FOR ANY OF THE OTHER MEMBERS ON, ON THE COMMITTEE, BUT ALL OF THEM THAT WE INTERVIEWED SAID THAT THE POLLING DATA THAT WE HAD WAS FLAWED THE FIRST TIME AROUND, AND THAT THE METHODOLOGIES THAT THEY
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S SEEK TO EMPLOY AND WILL EMPLOY ARE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT AND FAR MORE ACCURATE.AND SO THAT HEARING THAT FROM ALL OF THE RESPONDENTS TO THE RFP, I THINK GAVE US A LOT OF CONFIDENCE THAT NO MATTER WHICH FIRM WAS SELECTED, UM, WE WERE GOING TO GET, UH, A VERY HIGH LEVEL, AND WE WILL GET A VERY HIGH LEVEL POLLING SAMPLE AND SOME ACCURATE DATA OUT OF THIS.
SO I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF CONFIDENCE IN THIS PROCESS MOVING FORWARD.
AND SO WITH THAT, I, I WOULD ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, BUT I WOULD, UH, LOOK, UH, I, I WOULD ENCOURAGE THE COUNCIL TO CONS FAVORABLY CONSIDER THIS, AND WE'LL MOVE, WE'LL MOVE DOWN THE ROAD TOWARDS, UM, COLLECTING THE, THE NECESSARY DATA QUESTIONS, MICHELLE? OKAY.
WHAT DID WE SPEND LAST TIME FOR OUR POLLSTER? UH, YEAH, IT WAS ABOUT 1 120, 120 5,000.
DID WE GET ANY MONEY BACK FOR THEM? THEY DID NOT GIVING US FLAWED DATA.
I MEAN, THEY GAVE US SUCH A GLOWING REPORT AND EVERYBODY'S ON BOARD AND WE'RE GONNA DO THIS.
AND LIKE YOU SAID, IT FAILED MISERABLY.
I MEAN, THEY SHOULD HAVE GIVEN US A REFUND, I THINK.
UM, AND NORMALLY, I AGREE WITH YOU GUYS ON MOST FINANCIAL SITUATIONS HERE, BUT WHAT IS GOING TO CHANGE THE MINDSET OF THE RESIDENTS? BECAUSE WHAT I SAW, OR WHAT I HEARD FROM RESIDENTS IS THEY DO NOT WANT ANY TAXES WHATSOEVER.
AND THE, THE ECONOMY HAS NOT GOTTEN, GOTTEN THAT MUCH BETTER.
AND IT MAY GET BETTER IF WE HAVE A CHANGE IN ADMINISTRATION, I DON'T KNOW.
BUT WHAT, HOW, OBVIOUSLY YOU GUYS ARE CONFIDENT THAT THIS IS GOING TO, UM, WE GET BETTER POLLING NUMBERS AND WE CAN PUT IT OUT.
BUT WHAT'S GONNA CHANGE THE MIND OF THE RESIDENTS? BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE JUST, THEY'RE TAXED TO DEATH.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE STRUGGLING PAYCHECK TO PAYCHECK.
AND FOR SOME, THAT'S JUST A BIG NO.
THERE'S SEVERAL DIFFERENT WAYS THAT I THINK WE CAN ADDRESS THIS.
FIRST OF ALL, WE'RE DEALING WITH NOW WE HAVE 11 MONTHS INSTEAD OF FOUR.
OKAY? UM, SO SECONDLY, I, I THINK WE'RE GOING TO GET FAR MORE ACCURATE DATA ABOUT WHERE THIS COMMUNITY IS WITH THIS.
AND THE WAY WE CONSTRUCT OUR OUTREACH AND THE WAY WE PURSUE THE OUTREACH HAS GOTTA BE DEPENDENT ON WHAT THAT ACCURATE DATA SHOWS.
IF WE HAVE INACCURATE DATA ON A SHORT TIMELINE, WE DON'T FEEL AS THOUGH WE NEED TO REALLY BE OUT FRONT WITH IT BECAUSE HEY, EVERYBODY SUPPORTS IT.
RIGHT? IT WAS OVER 60% OF SUPPORT.
SO WE DON'T REALLY NEED TO RUN THIS AGGRESSIVE PROGRAM.
AND WITH THAT LEVEL OF SUPPORT WITH JUST THREE MONTHS TO THE ELECTION, WHY DO A WHOLE LOT OF ANYTHING, RIGHT? UM, WELL, ALL OF THAT WAS INCORRECT, RIGHT? SO WE HAVE A LOT LONGER RUNWAY.
WE HAVE A GROUP HERE THAT'S BEING RECOMMENDED ALONG WITH THE OTHERS, THAT HAS VERY, VERY SOPHISTICATED WAYS OF POLLING OVER A MUCH LONGER PERIOD OF TIME THAT'S GOING TO GIVE US MORE ACCURATE DATA AND ALLOW US TO CONSTRUCT AN OUTREACH PROGRAM THAT'S GOING TO DIRECTLY UNDERSTAND WHERE PEOPLE ARE.
WHAT, WHAT WE LEARNED IN THE INTERVIEW PROCESS WAS THAT, UM, THE QUESTIONS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO ASK IN THIS PROCESS, IT, IT'S GOING TO TAKE ANYWHERE BETWEEN 25 AND 35 MINUTES PER PERSON.
AND IT'S, IT'S MUCH, MUCH MORE DETAILED QUESTIONS, DETAILED DATA THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO SECURE.
AND SO I THINK WE DIDN'T SEE THAT THE FIRST TIME.
WE, WE SAW SOME, YOU KNOW, QUESTIONS THAT WERE, THAT HAD SOME DETAILS AND WHAT WAS IMPORTANT TO YOU AND WHATNOT.
BUT THI THIS IS REALLY GOING TO BE AT A DIFFERENT LEVEL.
AND LASTLY, WHAT I WOULD SAY IS WE WERE LOOKING FOR, UH, AN INCREASE LAST TIME.
THIS IS A CONTINUATION OF ATTACKS THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN PAID FOR QUITE A LONG TIME.
AND I THINK WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT PRESERVING CITY SERVICES, NO NEW TAXES CONTINUING THE WAY IT IS, UM, THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S A MESSAGE THAT I THINK COULD POTENTIALLY RESONATE, BUT WE'LL LEAVE THAT TO THE EXPERTS.
BUT I DO THINK THAT THE CONDITIONS HERE NOW, THE CONSULTANTS, THE TIMEFRAME, THE TYPE OF POLLING, AND THE FACT THAT THERE'S NO INCREASE, I THINK ALL THOSE CONTRIBUTE TO A POTENTIALLY BETTER RESULT, AT LEAST ON HOW TO APPROACH OUTREACH SERVICES.
AND I THINK THAT THERE IS GOING TO BE MORE OF A ROBUST EFFORT COMPARED TO LAST TIME.
WHAT IF, DO WE HAVE A CONTINGENCY PLAN IN PLACE OR THOUGHTS FOR IF THE POLLSTER COMES BACK AND SAYS, YEAH, NO, THINGS HAVEN'T REALLY CHANGED.
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KNOW, IN 35 MINUTE INTERVIEWS PER RESIDENT, WE, WE POLLED, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE NUMBERS ARE GONNA BE, HOW MANY THEY PLAN ON POLLING, BUT SAY THEY POLLED 10,000 PEOPLE AND IT'S STILL, THEY'RE JUST GOING, NO, WE DON'T WANT THIS.DO WE HAVE A PLAN TOGETHER TO, UH, MAKE UP FOR THE LOSS THAT WHEN IT SUNSETS, I'LL TELL YOU ONE, THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE PULLING 10,000 PEOPLE
I KNOW, BUT IT WOULD BE NICE IF WE COULD.
WE, WE ACTUALLY, UH, 600 IS THE MAGIC NUMBER.
UM, WE ACTUALLY, IN THE RFP ASKED FOR 900, UM, ALMOST EVERY FIRM SAID THAT IT'S ALMOST AN IMPOSSIBLE NUMBER TO GET TO.
JUST, JUST THE SHEER, THE MATH OF IT'S HARD TO GET TO.
UH, WHEN, WHEN THESE POLLSTER COMPANIES ARE LOOKING AT STATEWIDE ISSUES, THEY'RE PULLING ABOUT 900.
SO 600 GIVES US, UH, 95%, UH, UM, CONFIDENCE LEVEL GOING TO 900 GETS US A COUPLE EXTRA PERCENTAGE.
WE'VE ASKED FOR THE 900, THE $182,000 INCLUDES THE 900.
I THINK WHAT WILL BE USEFUL AS PART OF THIS PROCESS IS BECAUSE THERE'S SO MUCH LENGTH, AND REMEMBER, THE COUNCIL ISN'T VOTING TO PUT THIS ON THE AGENDA, ON THE BALLOT.
YOU'RE VOTING TO SPEND SOME MONEY TO UNDERSTAND HOW YOUR COMMUNITY FEELS ABOUT THIS SITUATION.
PART OF THAT INCLUDES SOME TOWN HALL MEETINGS, AND PART OF THAT INCLUDES IF MEASURE IF, UH, ASSUMING IT'S CALLED MEASURE J IN THE FUTURE, IF MEASURE J ISN'T PASSED, WHAT DO YOU WANNA SEE CUT? WHAT ARE THE $12 MILLION IN CUTS THAT YOU WANNA SEE? AND WE NEED TO HAVE A GOOD, ROBUST CONVERSATION WITH THE COMMUNITY ABOUT THAT.
AND, AND THERE, LO AND BEHOLD, THERE MAY BE SOME MAGICAL THINGS THAT COME OUT OF THAT WHERE PEOPLE GO, OH, YEAH, WE COULD DO WITHOUT THIS OR THAT, OR MAYBE WE CAN FIGURE OUT A WAY TO REDUCE TAXES ON OUR RESIDENTS, UM, AND WE SERVE, RECEIVE LESS SERVICES.
RIGHT? SO I THINK THE RUNWAY IS APPROPRIATE, AS VINCE TALKED ABOUT, HAVING THAT EXTRA 11, THAT 11 MONTHS NOT ONE MONTH WILL ALLOW THE COUNCIL TO HAVE BETTER DATA, NOT JUST QUANT, UH, QUANTITY OR, UH, QUALITATIVE DATA, UM, OR QUANTITATIVE, BUT QUALITATIVE DATA.
YOU'LL HAVE BETTER RESOURCES TO MAKE A DECISION IF THE POLLING DATA SAYS, YEAH, YOU SHOULD PROBABLY THINK ABOUT PUTTING THIS ON THE BALLOT.
IT'LL BE EASIER FOR YOU TO SAY YES OR NO WHEN YOU GET THAT OPPORTUNITY IN, UH, JULY OR AUGUST.
I, YOU KNOW, I'M SORRY I HAD TO PLAY DEVIL'S ADVOCATE HERE, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE TOOK A LOT OF HEAT.
THOSE OF US ON THE COUNCIL, AND YOU GUYS AS WELL TOOK A LOT OF HEAT AFTER THE LAST ONE.
AND I, IT'S NOT THAT I CAN'T HANDLE THE HEAT, BUT I WOULD JUST HATE TO PUT THE RESIDENTS THROUGH THIS AGAIN.
YOU KNOW, IF WE DON'T HAVE OUR DUCKS IN A ROW.
WELL, I MEAN, IF I CAN JUST ADD, I, I, I, I AGREE.
AND, AND IT'S, IT'S, NO, WE, I, I THINK IT'S SAFE TO SAY SPEAKING FOR, FOR GRAHAM AND MYSELF, I, WE PUT OUR PROFESSIONAL REPUTATIONS ON THE LINE WHEN WE MAKE A RECOMMENDATION OF THIS MAGNITUDE TO YOU.
AND TO HAVE THE POLLING DATA BE AS FLAWED AS IT WAS PERSONALLY UPSET ME BADLY.
I MEAN, I WAS, I WAS VERY AGGRESSIVE WITH, WITH THE, UH, WITH THE LAST POLLING COMPANY.
AND I, AND I STATED AS MUCH IN A DEBRIEFING MEETING.
SO BELIEVE ME, IF, IF I WANT TO GO THIS ROUTE AGAIN, OR WOULD RECOMMEND TO THE CITY MANAGER AND YOU TO GO TO THIS ROUTE AGAIN AND SPEND THIS MONEY, I, I WANNA BE AS COMPREHENSIVE AS POSSIBLE.
AND AS FAR AS A CONTINGENCY PLAN, I WOULD JUST SAY, KIND OF DEPENDING UPON WHAT THE DATA SHOWS, THE OBVIOUS CONTINGENCY PLAN, AGAIN, FOR THIS COUNCIL TO CONSIDER, UH, DEPENDING UPON THE MOOD, IF IT'S NEGATIVE, AS, AS YOU POINTED OUT, MS. MITCHELL IS THE MIDTERM ELECTION OF 2026 AND THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION AGAIN IN 2028, THOSE ARE THE CONTINGENCIES,
BUT AS MR. MITCHELL SAID, WE NEED TO HAVE A GOOD DIALOGUE WITH THE COMMUNITY THROUGH THESE, UH, THROUGH THESE, UH, WORKSHOPS THAT, THAT WILL OCCUR AS PART OF THE, AS PART OF THE PLAN THAT, THAT YOU'RE ENTERTAINING RIGHT NOW.
AND I, I APPRECIATE YOU BEING, YOU KNOW, UPFRONT ABOUT HOW IT AFFECTED YOU, BECAUSE IT WAS HORRIBLE.
AND IT'S MY PERSONAL OPINION THAT WITHOUT CONTINUING TO HAVE SENT SALES TAX, THAT IT COULD BE CATASTROPHIC FOR THE CITY.
'CAUSE YOU ONLY HAVE SO MUCH LEFTOVER AFTER THAT 70%, WHERE DO WE CUT? AND I NEVER EVER WANNA CUT PUBLIC SAFETY.
THAT'S MY NUMBER ONE PRIORITY IS POLICE AND FIRE.
BUT SOMEONE'S GOTTA MAKE THE PAYCHECKS, SOMEONE'S GOTTA CHECK BUILDING PLANS, YOU KNOW? SO, UH, AND A LOT OF THE OTHERS THAT LA MESA HAS A THREE QUARTERS
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PERCENT SALES TAX.SO WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, OUT OF THE BALLPARK WITH CONTINUING WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE.
MR. KENDRICK, TO YOUR POINT, IF, UM, IF YOU ADD UP $12 MILLION, UH, ALL IT PRETTY MUCH, IF YOU GOT RID OF EVERYBODY AT CITY HALL, YOU STILL WOULD HAVE TO CUT PUBLIC SAFETY.
AND IF YOU WERE TO CUT OUR BUDGET ON A PRO, ON A, A FAIR, PRO RATA BASIS ON DEPARTMENT, THAT EQUALS ABOUT 30 POLICE OFFICERS.
JUST TO GIVE YOU A, A SENSE OF, OF THE SCOPE OF WHAT $12 MILLION MEANS, YOU KNOW, THE PUBLIC MIGHT ASK, IS, IS THE LAST POLLING COMPANY ONE OF THE THREE? NO.
UM, WE ALL SHOULD ALSO SHOULD REMIND THE PUBLIC WHY WE GOT INTO THIS SITUATION.
AND IT HAS TO DO A LOT WITH PROPERTY TAX.
UH, SHARE EL CAJON YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS AGO BEFORE, I BELIEVE PROP 13 WAS LOCKED IN, RECEIVED SOMEWHERE ABOUT 11 TO 13% OF THE PROPERTY TAX REVENUES ON THE PROPERTIES IN EL CAJON, WHICH ALREADY ARE LOWER THAN CARLSBAD AND SANITAS, WHO WERE RECEIVED CLOSE TO 20 TO 24%, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THEY REQUESTED.
SO WE ARE GETTING PENALIZED BECAUSE WE WERE VERY GOOD AT MANAGING OUR CITY, THOSE BEFORE ME.
UH, AND WE HAVE LESS MONEY FROM THE COUNTY THAN ENCINITAS HAS ON A HIGHER PROPERTY BASE.
SO WE WERE VERY GOOD WITH PROP O, THE PUBLIC'S SAFETY SALES TAX.
AND WE DID SUNSET THAT AND REVERSE THAT, CANCEL THAT BECAUSE IT MET ITS MEANING THAT THERE WAS NO NEED TO CONTINUE IT.
IN THIS CASE, BECAUSE OF THE PROPERTY TAX REVENUE IS SO IMBALANCED, IT DOES CREATE A DEMAND ON US.
UM, I KNOW THAT ON THE BALLOT, THIS CYCLE IS THE, THE PROP, UH, THAT WOULD FORCE ALL TAX INCREASES TO GO TO TWO THIRDS.
UM, I, IS THE COMPANY THAT YOU'RE RECOMMENDING AWARE, DO THEY HAVE ANY OPINIONS ON THAT? AND HOW DOES THAT FACTOR INTO THE POLLING STARTING OVER? UM, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IF, IF I, I THINK THAT'S A BIG PART OF THIS LINE OF QUESTIONING.
IF, IF, UH, TAXES IN CALIFORNIA IN THE FUTURE REQUIRE TWO-THIRDS AND ARE POLLING JUST COMPLETELY NEGATES THAT POTENTIAL, THEN, YOU KNOW, IT MIGHT BE FAULTY AS, AGAIN, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT MEASURE HAS QUALIFIED QUITE YET.
I KNOW THERE'S A, A COMPETING MEASURE THAT WOULD SORT OF NEGATE SOME OF THAT A LITTLE BIT.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'LL BE, THAT WE DID TALK TO THE POLLING COMPANIES THAT WE'LL CONTINUE TO TALK ABOUT THEM, IS TO, TO MEASURE WHETHER A SPECIAL TAX, WHICH REQUIRES A HIGHER THRESHOLD WOULD BE MORE PALATABLE TO OUR RESIDENTS, AND THAT THAT TAX WOULD ONLY GO TOWARDS PUBLIC SAFETY.
SO I, I THINK AS WE DO THE POLLING, WE'LL KIND OF LOOK AT BOTH TO SEE WHICH HAS THE BEST PATH FORWARD FOR THE COUNCIL TO CONSIDER.
AND WHEN WE PRESENT THAT, WE'LL PRESENT THAT DATA POINT TO YOU.
ANYBODY ELSE? ALRIGHT, HIS SPEAKER CARDS ON THIS ITEM.
THANK YOU FOR ALL OF THAT INFORMATION, EVERYBODY.
I WAS CURIOUS, FLAWED RESULTS THE FIRST TIME.
UH, BUT YOU HAD A GREAT QUESTION, MICHELLE, ABOUT WHERE WAS THE REFUND? I THINK THE CITY'S ENTITLED, YOU KNOW, I ACTUALLY TALKED TO THE CITY OF SANTEE ABOUT THIS, WHO WAS ATTEMPTING THE EXACT SAME THING.
AND A HEAT THROWER AT CARL DEO GAVE SOME OF THEM A HARD TIME ABOUT IT ON TWITTER.
I GAVE UP TO $182,000 TO FIND OUT PEOPLE'S OPINIONS ABOUT BEING TAXED.
I FEEL LIKE YOU GUYS COULD JUST SAVE MONEY IF YOU JUST ASK ME AND I I'LL GIVE YOU THE ANSWER.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT GONNA GO FOR IT.
BUT I KNOW, YOU KNOW, PROP J IS WORTH OVER $14 MILLION A YEAR.
SO IT'S WORTH A MEASLY $182,000 TO SOME TO CONVINCE PEOPLE TO APPROVE THE EXTENSION.
AT LEAST, AT LEAST TO SOME PEOPLE.
I DON'T THINK IT'S WORTH IT TO ME.
UM, BUT SOME OF THE INTERESTING THINGS IN THERE THAT, UH, IS GONNA HAPPEN IF IT'S APPROVED, WE GOT POLLING, UH, VOTER PROPENSITY AND HOME EDUCATION AND ENGAGEMENT STRATEGY HOME, OH, SORRY, HOME EDUCATION, UH, PROVIDING SURVEYS, INFORMATIONAL EDUCATIONAL MATERIALS, PUBLIC OUTREACH MEETINGS, DISCERNING VOTER PATTERNS.
AND, UH, IT'S KIND OF IRONIC BECAUSE EARLIER, MICHELLE, YOU SAID SOMETHING ABOUT IN MEXICO, PSAS A LITTLE AT A TIME, AND THAT'S ACTUALLY CALLED GOVERNMENT PROPAGANDA IN MEXICO.
I DON'T, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD ENGAGE IN THAT,
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ALTHOUGH PSAS ARE NOT A BAD THING SOMETIMES.UH, BUT APPARENTLY IT ONLY TAKES 600 PEOPLE TO KNOW THE CITY'S OPINION.
I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T REMEMBER HOW MANY PEOPLE HERE.
BUT THAT'S NOT VERY MANY PEOPLE WHEN YOU DO THE MATH.
STEVE, I'M SURE KNOWS THE MATH NUMBERS.
I AGREED WITH GRAHAM ABOUT HAVING REAL TALK WITH RESIDENTS ABOUT WHAT'S GONNA GET CUT.
PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW THIS IS GONNA BE THE, THE EFFECT OF ANYTHING THAT HAPPENS.
IT'S KIND OF LIKE, UH, WITH, WITH HOUSING, I ALWAYS LIKE TO TELL PEOPLE IN GOVERNMENT, YOU KNOW WHAT, YOU SHOULD JUST BE HONEST ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON HERE, THE STATE'S MAKING YOU, BUT IF YOU DON'T DO IT, THEN YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A LAWSUIT.
AND I SAY, WELL, JUST BE HONEST WITH THE CITY.
WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IF YOU SAY NO? UM, SOMETHING I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE IS IN EVERY, EVERY CITY IS HANGING ON BY A FINANCIAL THREAD.
THEY MAY BE BALANCING THEIR BUDGET, BUT WITHOUT THINGS LIKE ARPA CITIES STRUGGLE BECAUSE THEY GOT USED TO HAVING EXTRA BILLIONS.
UM, AND THEN THEY STRUGGLE NOW JUST TO HAVE, UH, PROPER RESERVES IN THESE TIMES OF EVER INCREASING INFLATION, WHO'S GONNA SAY YES TO ANOTHER TAX? I THINK THAT'S WHAT IT COMES DOWN TO.
SO MY SUGGESTION IS NOT WASTING TIME AND MONEY AGAIN ON THIS POTENTIAL REVENUE SOURCE.
UH, THE ONLY ONE I GOT IS, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE MORE BILLBOARDS
IT'S NOT SOMETHING EVERYBODY LIKES, BUT I DON'T SEE IT PASSING.
SO, BUT I DON'T WANNA SEE A PUBLIC SAFETY CUT EITHER, SO, I DON'T KNOW.
ANYBODY ELSE? NO OTHER SPEAKER, SIR.
I, IT, IT'S BACK TO US BEFORE WE VOTE.
I JUST, I JUST WANNA SAY THAT, UM, I DON'T LIKE THE IDEA OF BEING INVOLVED IN ANY WAY IN RAISING TAXES, BUT I'VE BEEN DOING THIS LONG ENOUGH NOW TO KNOW THAT THE BEST WAY TO GOVERN IS TO DO THE RIGHT THING.
AND I CAN'T IMAGINE WE'RE ALREADY, RIGHT NOW WE'VE GOT FIVE POLICE OFFICERS AT ANY GIVEN TIME ON THE, THE STREETS OF THE ENTIRE CITY OF EL CAJON.
I'M ALWAYS A LITTLE SHAKEN BY THAT CONCEPT BECAUSE IT'S A PRETTY BIG CITY AND THERE'S A LOT GOING ON.
AND THE IDEA OF CUTTING 30 MORE POSITIONS IS TERRIFYING TO ME.
UM, IT'S JUST A POLE, YOU KNOW, I THINK, UM, MICHELLE, I THINK YOUR CONCERNS WILL BE BORNE OUT BY THE POLE.
I THINK WE'RE GONNA GET A SENSE OF WHAT PEOPLE BELIEVE AND WHAT THEY THINK.
YOU KNOW, THE WAY THEY DO THESE POLES IS NOT, IT'S NOT JUST A HORSE RAISE, RIGHT? THEY'RE, THEY'RE GONNA SAY, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO DO THIS? HOW WOULD YOU FEEL IF IT MEANT CUTTING 30 POLICE OFFICERS? YOU KNOW? AND YOU, YOU'LL GET DIFFERENT RESULTS BASED UPON THE AMOUNT OF EDUCATION THAT YOU GIVE THE, THE PEOPLE TAKING THE POLL.
SO I THINK WE'RE, YOU KNOW, IF WE'D GET THE RIGHT POLLING COMPANY THIS TIME, AND, UM, I, I THINK WE'LL HAVE A PRETTY GOOD UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT PEOPLE HAVE A STOMACH FOR.
AND, UH, SO I, I, I RECOMMEND THAT WE GO AT LEAST THIS FAR AND GET THE POLLING DONE.
STEVE, LAST TIME THE COUNCIL WAS VERY HANDS OFF IN TERMS OF WHAT WAS PULLED, HOW IT WAS PULLED, AND IT WAS A DISASTER.
I WOULD NORMALLY DON'T LIKE TO GET INTO THE WEEDS ON THESE KIND OF THINGS, BUT I THINK THIS TIME WE NEED TO BE A LITTLE MORE INVOLVED IN WHAT IS ASKED OF PEOPLE.
UH, NOT DIRECTING, BUT BEING PART OF THE CONVERSATION.
I WOULD PROPOSE AN AD HOC COMMITTEE TO BE PART OF THE STAFF COMMITTEE TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ASKING THE RIGHT QUESTIONS.
'CAUSE IF WE DON'T ASK THE RIGHT QUESTIONS, IT'S $182,000 OUT THE DOOR.
WHAT DO YOU, WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THAT, VINCE? 'CAUSE I, I, HAVING WORKED WITH POLLSTERS MYSELF, I, I KNOW THAT THEY'RE, THAT IT'S A SCIENCE AND THEY'VE GOT SPECIFIC IDEAS ABOUT HOW THAT SHOULD BE DONE.
SO TOO MANY COOKS IN THE KITCHEN CAN BE A PROBLEM.
BUT STEVE'S RIGHT THAT WE WERE PRETTY HANDS OFF LAST TIME.
SO MAYBE THERE'S A, A COMPROMISE AND MAYBE YOU WANNA THINK ABOUT THAT AND COME BACK TO US AT, AT AT SOME POINT.
I, I THINK HAVING AN AD HOC COMMITTEE IS NOT A BAD IDEA, BUT I THINK YOU MADE A GOOD POINT, MR. MAYOR.
THERE IS A SCIENCE HERE AND, UH, VINCE OR I MEDDLING WOULD PROBABLY MESS UP THE SCIENCE.
SAME WOULD APPLY TO A COUNCIL MEMBER.
HOWEVER, I THINK IT'S PROBABLY IMPORTANT FOR THE COUNCIL TO SEE HOW THE SAUSAGE IS MADE, NUMBER ONE AND TWO, YOU KNOW, THE COMMUNITY BETTER THAN THE POLLING COMPANY DOES.
AND SO HAVING THAT SENSE WOULD PROBABLY ADD SOME VALUE TO IT.
SO I, I WOULDN'T SEE A PROBLEM WITH THAT AT ALL.
YOU KNOW, MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE TO HAVE A AD HOC COMMITTEE WHERE THE POLLSTER COMES AND WE JUST TALK TO HIM, RA RATHER THAN TELL HIM WHAT, WHAT HE'S GONNA DO.
JUST TELL HIM OUR CONCERNS AND GIVE HIM OUR IDEAS.
THE POLLSTER'S LIKE A DOCTOR HE'LL, HE'LL SAY, WELL, THAT'S A BAD IDEA AND THAT'S A GOOD IDEA.
AND, YOU KNOW, HOW WOULD YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT? I, I AGREE
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WITH THAT.I'M NOT SAYING WE SHOULD DIRECT THE QUESTIONS.
I'M SAYING THE PUBLIC IS GONNA SAY TO US, YOU GUYS WEREN'T ON THIS LAST TIME AND IT WAS A DISASTER.
YOU GUYS NEED TO BE, YOU PEOPLE NEED TO BE INVOLVED THIS TIME.
THE QUESTION I WOULD HAVE ABOUT THAT, DOES THAT NEED TO BE A PUBLIC MEETING? YEAH, I THINK MAYOR, IT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA FOR THAT CONDITION, AND IT WASN'T PART OF THE RFP PROCESS.
MY RECOMMENDATION IS THAT IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION YOU'D LIKE TO COME, UH, YOU WOULD LIKE TO COME BRING IT BACK ON IN THE FIRST MEETING IN JANUARY AS AN AN AGENDA ITEM.
SO, UM, I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION, MR. MAYOR.
UH, TO THIS, UH, ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER.
CITY MANAGER IS PART OF THE RFP PROCESS.
WAS IT INCLUDED TO, IN NOT JUST ENGAGE THE COMMUNITY, BUT COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS? SO, UM, CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, UM, SAN DIEGO COUNTY TAXPAYERS, IS THAT PART OF THE RFP FOR THE POLLING TO ENGAGE ANY PART OF THAT? IT, IT WASN'T, IT WASN'T PART OF THE RFP SPECIFICALLY TO, TO, BUT, BUT IT IS DEFINITELY A COMPONENT THAT WE LOOKED AT DURING THE INTERVIEW PROCESS FOR THE OUTREACH TO INVOLVE ORGANIZATIONS.
THAT, THAT I CAN, I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, THE TAXPAYERS, UH, ORGANIZATION WAS, WAS MENTIONED SEVERAL TIMES DURING THE INTERVIEWS.
THE IMPORTANCE THERE, THE LOCAL CHAMBER OF COMMERCE WAS MENTIONED.
SO IT IS PART OF THE OUTREACH COMPONENT.
IT WAS NOT PART OF THE WRITTEN RFP THAT DEMANDED THEIR RESPONSE TO THAT, TO THAT ASPECT.
SO THE POLLSTERS ARE AWARE OF THOSE ORGANIZATIONS? OH, VERY MUCH SO.
AND ENGAGING THEM COULD BE PART OF THE PROCESS.
IT WILL BE PART OF THE PROCESS.
IN, IN FACT, COMPETITIVE EDGE RESEARCH, THEIR, THEIR EDUCATION PARTNER IS SOUTHWEST STRATEGY.
AND THEY ACTUALLY TALKED ABOUT ENGAGING THESE DIFFERENT GROUPS UNSOLICITED.
THAT WASN'T PART OF OUR QUESTIONS.
SO IT'S ALREADY PART OF THEIR THINKING AS PART OF OUR EDUCATION PROCESS.
WELL, I WANNA ECHO THE MAYOR'S CONCERNS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, CUTTING, UH, PUBLIC SAFETY.
I'VE BEEN ON, UH, POLICE RIDE-ALONGS, AND I WAS BREATHLESS BY THE END OF THE DAY ON AN EIGHT HOUR DAY.
'CAUSE THEY GO FROM ONE CALL TO ANOTHER, THEY'RE CALL STACKED UP.
IT'S EXTREMELY, UH, A STRESSFUL SITUATION.
I HAD TO GO TO THE CHIROPRACTOR AFTER MY
'CAUSE MY BACK HURT MY NECK WORK.
I WERE HURT, I HAD A HEADACHE.
AND I SAID, HOW DID THEY POSSIBLY DO THIS? DRIVING DOWN THE STREET, LOOKING DOWN THE ALLEYS, THEY'RE YOUNG.
AND, UH, IT, IT, IT WAS REALLY AN EXPERIENCE THAT MADE ME REALLY APPRECIATE WHAT OUR POLICE OFFICER OFFICERS HAVE TO DO.
AND I, I ALSO WENT ON RIDES, UH, WITH THE FIREFIGHTERS AND THAT'S REALLY STRESSFUL FOR THEM.
AND, UH, ONE THING I FOUND OUT IS THEY NEVER GET CLOSURE.
THEY DON'T KNOW IF SOME PERSON THAT THEY TOOK THERE TO, TO THE EMERGENCY ROOM IS GONNA DIE, IS DIED OR NOT.
SO ALL THOSE THINGS, UH, MAKE IT SO YOU HAVE TO BE A VERY SPECIAL KIND OF PERSON TO BE IN PUBLIC SAFETY.
AND OUR COMMUNITY REALLY BENEFITS FROM OUR FIREFIGHTERS AND OUR POLICE OFFICERS.
ANY MORE DISCUSSION? ALRIGHT, LOOKING FOR A MOTION THEN? YEAH.
I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE, UH, THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS THAT IT'S EXEMPT FROM CQA AND ENTER INTO AGREEMENT WITH COMPETITIVE EDGE AND RESEARCH.
MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.
I, FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO STAYED THROUGH THE WHOLE MEETING, YOU SHOULD GET SOME KIND OF AN AWARD.
[15. Award of RFP No. 020-24 – Economic Analysis Services (Parkway Plaza Mall) RECOMMENDATION: That the City Council: Determines that the project is exempt from the California Environmental Quality Act (CEQA) pursuant to state CEQA Guidelines section 15262; and Adopts the next Resolution, in order, to enter into an agreement with Hunden Strategic Partners, Inc. dba Hunden Partners (HP), in an amount not to exceed $248,915 for a one-year term.]
IS AN AWARD OF RFP NUMBER 0 2 0 THROUGH TWO FOUR, ECONOMIC ANALYSIS SERVICES, OSCAR CITY MANAGER TO PLEASE TELL US ABOUT THIS ITEM.THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, IF I CAN GET THE SLIDE UP ON THE SCREEN.
UH, EARLIER THIS YEAR, ON JUNE 27TH, THE CITY COUNCIL RECEIVES A REPORT ABOUT PARKWAY PLAZA AND KIND OF ALL OF THE, THE DIFFERENT VISIONS THAT COULD OCCUR AS PART OF ITS EVOLUTION.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT KINDA CAME OUTTA THAT MEETING WAS THIS IDEA OF, HOLD A SECOND, WAS THIS IDEA OF ISSUING AN RFP TO
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HELP IDENTIFY WHAT ARE THE, WHAT'S THE ECONOMIC REALITIES.I MEAN, WE COULD TALK ABOUT, UH, WHAT WE WANNA SEE THERE, BUT IF IF THE ECONOMICS ISN'T THERE, IT'LL NEVER HAPPEN.
SO, UH, THERE'S SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT ENGAGING WITH A FIRM.
AND A AN RFP WAS RELEASED IN AUGUST.
THE REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL SOUGHT, UH, SERVICES FROM A FIRM TO PROVIDE A MARKET FEASIBILITY ANALYSIS SPECIFIC TO THE MALL AND POSSIBLE REDEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES.
UM, THAT SPECIFICALLY WAS TO LOOK AT A PRO FORMA FOR VARIOUS REDEVELOPMENT POSSIBILITIES, INCLUDING HOUSING, UH, FEASIBILITY ANALYSIS ON MARKET CONDITIONS, STEEPED IN REALITY, OTHER MISCELLANEOUS FISCAL CONSIDERATIONS SUCH AS TAX FLOW THAT WOULD COME INTO THE CITY.
WHAT WITH, IF ONE PROJECT WOULD GENERATE MORE TAXES OR REVENUE FOR THE CITY VERSUS ANOTHER.
UM, AND IT ALSO INCLUDE ARCHITECTURAL MASSING AND AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THAT VISION WOULD LOOK LIKE.
SO THERE COULD BE VARIOUS CONCEPTS THAT WOULD HELP SPARK THE IMAGINATION OF NOT ONLY THE COMMUNITY, BUT ALSO THE EXISTING PROPERTY OWNERS.
AND AS PART OF THIS WHOLE PROCESS, THERE WOULD BE ALSO STAKEHOLDER OUTREACH.
UM, THE CITY FORMED A COMMITTEE OF FOUR MEMBERS, AND WE LOOKED AT PROJECT TEAM MEMBERS EXPERIENCE, AND NOT ONLY MARKET FEASIBILITY ANALYSIS, BUT ALSO, UH, PROFORMA DEVELOPMENT.
HOW, HOW THEY WOULD LOOK TO STAKEHOLDERS IN THE COMMUNITY AND ALSO THE MALL OWNERS, UH, THEIR, THEIR ARCHITECT, UH, PARTNERING FIRMS, THEIR WORK PLAN, AND EVENTUALLY THEIR COSTS.
AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE DE WE DECIDED THAT HYUNDAI PARTNERS WAS THE BEST FIT FOR THE CITY.
WE DID REVIEW SEVEN RFP RESPONSES.
UH, UH, WE NARROWED IT DOWN TO FOUR.
AND FRANKLY, WE PROBABLY COULD HAVE HIRED ALL SEVEN.
ONE OF ALL SEVEN PROBABLY COULD HAVE DONE THE, THE TRICK.
UH, WE NARROWED IT DOWN TO THE TOP FOUR.
WE CONDUCTED PRETTY EXTENSIVE INTERVIEW INTERVIEWS, ABOUT 45 MINUTE INTERVIEWS WITH EACH ONE.
WE REALLY DOVE INTO A LOT OF DETAIL.
WE FELT THAT HUNTIN HAD THE BEST, UH, EXPERIENCE.
THEY ARE CURRENTLY LO OR THEY ARE LOCATED IN CHICAGO, BUT THEY CURRENT, THEY HAVE LOCAL CONNECTIONS.
THEY'VE BOTH DONE PROJECTS LOCALLY AND ALSO, UH, THEY HAVE LOCAL, THEY HAVE STAFF THAT IS LOCATED HERE LOCALLY AS WELL.
THEIR PORTFOLIO IS IMPRESSIVE.
UH, THEY'VE, I'M, I'M NOT GONNA GO THROUGH THE, THE THOUSANDS OF PROJECTS THEY'VE DONE, BUT THEY RECENTLY DID A LARGE DOWNTOWN SERIES OF STUDIES FOR DOWNTOWN FORT WORTH, TEXAS, AND THEY ALSO JUST RECENTLY FINISHED THE CHICAGO SOUTH LOOP MIXED USE DISTRICT, LOOKING AT A WHOLE BUNCH OF THINGS.
IF WE HAD MY PRESENTATION, THERE'S A MAP OF THE UNITED STATES THAT SHOWS, UH, THE, THE ABOUT A THOUSAND DIFFERENT PROJECTS THEY'VE DONE AROUND THE UNITED STATES, INCLUDING SEVERAL IN CITY OF SAN DIEGO, THE CONVENTION CENTER, UH, HOTEL PROJECT IN CARLSBAD TO NAME TWO OF 'EM.
UM, AS YOU CAN RECALL, THE, THE CITY COUNCIL SET AN INITIAL BUDGET OF ABOUT A QUARTER OF A MILLION DOLLARS, $250,000 TO DO THE STUDY.
THIS CAME IN A SLIGHTLY UNDER THAT.
AND SO STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THE CITY COUNCIL, UH, AFTER ANSWERING ANY QUESTIONS THAT WE HAVE, WOULD DETERMINE THAT THE PROJECT IS EXEMPT FROM CQA AND THEN AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER TO ENTER INTO AN AGREEMENT WITH S STRATEGIC PARTNERS IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $248,915 FOR A ONE YEAR TERM.
SO WITH THAT, STAFF'S ABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.
QUESTIONS, MICHELLE, I'M GONNA MAKE THIS MEETING EVEN LONGER.
UM, QUESTION, AT WHAT LEVEL ARE THE OWNERS OF THE MALL PARTICIPATING AT NOW OR AS PART OF THIS PROCESS? UM, ALL OF IT.
SO, I MEAN, WE'RE, WE ARE HAVING REGULAR CONVERSATIONS WITH THE, THE FOLKS THAT ARE THE FORMER OWNER OF SEARS, THEY'RE ACTUALLY TRYING TO APPLY FOR A DIFFERENT PROJECT.
SO WE HAVE REGULAR COMMUNICATION WITH THEM.
UH, I JUST SPOKE WITH THE FOLKS THAT OWN THE FORMER MACY'S SPOT, UH, 'CAUSE THEY'RE LOOKING AT SOME POTENTIAL PRO PROJECTS.
THE MEETING WITH THE ISRAELI OWNER OF THE MALL PROPER WAS POSTPONED.
THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE IN AUG OCTOBER, LITERALLY THE WEEK AFTER, UH, THE, UM, CONFLICT THAT STARTED THERE.
AND SO HIS PLANS WERE CANCELED.
I THINK HE'S PLANNING A TRIP IN JANUARY.
SO STAFF ON A REGULAR BASIS IS HAVING CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM, BRINGING THEM ALONG.
THEY KNOW WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH AND THEY KNOW THEY'LL BE INVOLVED WITH THE PROCESS.
IF THE COUNCIL DECIDES TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS PROJECT, THEN ONE OF THE VERY FIRST MEETINGS WILL ACTUALLY BE, UH, HYUNDAI MEETING WITH THE MALL OWNERS.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT ENDEARED US TO THIS FIRM IS NOT ONLY DO THEY HAVE PUBLIC SECTOR EXPERIENCE, THEY ALSO REPRESENT MALLS AS WELL.
AND SO THEY UNDERSTAND HOW BOTH SIDES THINK AND THEY KNOW WHAT OUR
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NEEDS ARE, BUT THEY ALSO KNOW WHAT A MALL OWNER'S MALL NEEDS WOULD BE AS WELL.SO WHERE'S THE MONEY COMING FROM? THE 248 PLUS? IT'S OUT OF THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FUND, WHICH IS FUNDED THROUGH THE GENERAL FUND.
AND, UM, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FUND, SORRY, SLOW RIDING.
I KNOW THAT IF WE WERE TO RE-ENVISION PARKWAY PLAZA BRING IN MORE MONEY, WE AS A CITY WOULD BENEFIT.
AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT $248,000 TO FIND THAT OUT, THAT SEEMS LIKE AN AWFUL LOT.
DO WE ANTICIPATE A BIG RETURN ON OUR INVESTMENT IN, IN GETTING IDEAS FROM THIS COMPANY? IT, IT'S NOT CHEAP.
UM, BUT THIS IS THE COST OF DOING THIS LEVEL OF ANALYSIS.
IF, AND ONE OF THE WONDERFUL THINGS IS THE RFP PROCESS PROVED THAT OUT.
ALL, ALL OF THEM CAME IN WITHIN DOLLARS OF EACH OTHER.
UH, GRAHAM, HOW MUCH REVENUE SALES, TAX REVENUE DOES PARKWAY PLAZA PULL IN JUST TO BALLPARK? UH, I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE THAT NUMBER AND I DON'T KNOW IF I'M LOOKING TO MY FINANCE DIRECTOR.
I DON'T KNOW IF I'M ALLOWED TO SHARE THAT NUMBER.
'CAUSE OF THE NUMBER OF, BECAUSE OF SALES TAX SHARING DATA, UM, IT IS ONE OF OUR, IT'S, IT IS OUR MOST SIGNIFICANT, WE HAVE WHAT ARE CALLED GEO AREAS WHERE WE BREAK THE CITY INTO AREAS.
UH, THE DOWNTOWN, FOR EXAMPLE, IS ONE.
FLETCHER HILLS BOULEVARD IS ONE.
UM, THE MALL IS OUR NUMBER ONE SALES TAX GENERATING GEO AREA.
UH, A QUESTION ABOUT DENS, BUT RELATIONSHIPS, I MEAN, I LIKE THE FACT THAT THEY'RE LOCAL, BUT IF ANYONE'S GONNA TACKLE PARKWAY PLAZA WITH REGARD TO HOW BIG OF A LANDSCAPE IT IS, IT'S GOTTA BE SOMEONE, AN ORGANIZATION, A HEDGE FUND, SOMEONE WITH BIG MONEY.
HOW WELL CONNECTED IS HUNIN CONNECTED WITH, YOU KNOW, BIG DEVELOPERS, BIG FIRMS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
THAT'S REALLY THE, THE QUESTION THAT I WOULD HAVE.
'CAUSE ULTIMATELY THAT'S OUR GOAL IS NOT JUST TO CAST VISION AS TO WHAT PARKWAY PLAZA COULD BE, BUT PARLAY THAT INTO SOME KIND OF A RELATIONSHIP THAT COULD RESULT IN, UM, ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION HAPPENING THERE.
SO OF THE FOUR FIRMS THAT WE INTERVIEWED, ONE EXCLUSIVELY HAD PUBLIC CLIENTS.
SO THEY, THEY HAD NO, THEY HAD NO PRIVATE SECTOR CLIENTS.
THE OTHER THREE ALL HAD CLIENTS.
UM, AS YOU CALL RECALL, ONE OF THE FIRMS THAT WE'RE NOT SELECTING OR RECOMMENDING TO SELECT, I DUNNO IF YOU REMEMBER, BUT I SHOWED A PICTURE OF A MALL THAT WAS REDEVELOPED IN WASHINGTON THAT BECAME THE HEADQUARTERS FOR THE SEATTLE KRAKEN, THE, THE NHL TEAM THAT ONE OF THOSE FIRMS THAT WE INTERVIEWED DID THAT PROJECT.
THAT'S THE KIND OF CALIBER THIS, THIS FIRM THAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING, HYUNDAI OF THE THREE THAT HAD PRIVATE SECTOR EXPERIENCE, HAD THE MOST PRIVATE SECTOR EXPERIENCE.
ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT THEY BRING TO THE TABLE IS THEY'VE PUT TOGETHER LOTS OF P THREE DEALS, PUBLIC-PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP DEALS.
SO THEY UNDERSTAND AGAIN, THE PRIVATE SECTOR NEEDS, THE PUBLIC SECTOR NEEDS.
AND THEY CAN FIGURE OUT HOW TO MARRY THOSE TOGETHER AND TAKE ADVANTAGE OF OUR STRENGTHS AND OUR WEAKNESSES TO ENSURE THAT THE MALL GETS PROPERTY OWNERS GET WHAT THEY NEED, THE CITY GETS WHAT IT NEEDS AND THEY CAN HELP STRUCTURE THOSE.
UM, WELL I'LL SAVE MY COMMENT FOR LATER, DAVE.
IT SAYS, FOR A ONE YEAR TERM WHERE YOU ANTICIPATING IT COULD GO LONGER THAN ONE YEAR.
I MEAN GOAL TO THE SECOND YEAR.
THE, WELL THE GOAL IS TO HAVE THIS WRAPPED UP IN A, IN A ONE YEAR, LESS THAN A ONE YEAR PERIOD.
UH, AND, AND REALLY THERE'S NO, UH, REQUIREMENT THAT THEY ADOPT ANY OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS COMING OUT OF THIS REPORT.
BECAUSE WE DON'T OWN ONE SQUARE INCH OF THAT MALL PROPERTY.
THE OWNERS OF THE MALL CAN SAY THANKS FOR THE REPORT AND PUT IT ON THEIR SHELF.
I THINK OUR GOAL IS, IT'S MY ASSESSMENT THAT THE MALL OWNERS DO NOT SEE THE VALUE OF WORKING TOGETHER.
'CAUSE THEY HAVEN'T RUN THE NUMBERS.
THEY, THEY'RE LOOKING AT ONESIE PROJECTS 'CAUSE THEY'RE TRYING TO BALANCE THEIR BUDGET TOMORROW.
AND I THINK THE ECONOMIC ANALYSIS WILL SHOW HERE'S WHAT YOUR RETURNS COULD BE.
BUT IN ORDER TO DO THAT, YOU CAN'T GO IT ALONE.
YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO WORK WITH EACH OTHER TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
AND THAT'S THE VALUE OF THE PROFORMA.
NOW THE PROFORMA MAY ALSO SAY IT'S NOTHING.
THERE'S NOTHING YOU CAN DO THERE.
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TO DO ANYTHING.THAT WOULD BE THEN A VERY EXPENSIVE $250,000 ANSWER.
BUT MY ASSUMPTION IS THAT LOOKING AT OTHER MALL REPOSITIONINGS, THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN BECAUSE SOMEONE HAD A BRILLIANT IDEA.
IT TOOK SOME INITIAL INVESTMENT INTO THAT.
AND WHEN YOU HAVE ONE MALL OWNER, IT'S EASY TO MAKE THAT INVESTMENT.
BUT WHEN YOU HAVE FOUR OR FIVE DIFFERENT OWNERS, IT'S MORE DIFFICULT TO DIVVY UP THAT COST AND GET THEM TO WORK TOGETHER.
SO THAT BECOMES THE ROLE OF THE CITY.
SO YOU MENTIONED FOUR TO FIVE THERE, THERE REALLY ARE FOUR TO FIVE DIFFERENT OWNERS WITHIN THE PARKWAY PLAZA, UH, PROPERTY AREN'T THERE? YES.
I MEAN, THERE'S, ONE OF THE OWNERS IS, UH, THEY SHOW UP AS A, ON THE PROPERTY TAXES, IT'S JC PENNEY.
UH, THEY TECHNICALLY DO NOT OWN THEIR OWN LAND, BUT THEY HAVE A LEASE AGREEMENT THAT GIVES THEM SOME OWNERSHIP RIGHTS.
THE OTHER THING THAT I DON'T KNOW IF WE DIDN'T REALIZE IS FRANKLY UNTIL WE STARTED THIS PROCESS, THAT MOST OF THE LEASE AGREEMENTS WITH SOME OF THE LARGER TENANTS ACTUALLY HAVE VIRTUALLY PROPERTY OWNERSHIP RIGHTS WHERE DEVELOPMENT ALONG FLETCHER PARKWAY OR JOHNSON, IF IT WERE TO BLOCK THEM, THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO QUASH THAT DEVELOPMENT.
SO, UM, THESE ARE THE, THESE ARE THE INTRICACIES THAT WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT THEY KNOW THAT FIRMS LIKE HYUNDAI KNOW HOW TO DEAL.
'CAUSE THEY'VE NEGOTIATED THOSE TERMS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE TABLE.
AND I'M LOOKING FOR A SHORT ANSWER TO THIS LAST ONE.
UH, IF FOUR TO FIVE OWNERS ARE IN THIS THING, YOU ARE SAYING ONE OWNER PROBABLY WOULDN'T DO THIS KIND OF A STUDY BECAUSE THEY'D SAY, WELL, IT'S JUST FOR ME AND I HAVE THIS LITTLE PORTION.
YOU'RE SAYING THE CITY BY PROVIDING THIS PROVIDES VALUE TO ALL THE OWNERS, WITH THEM HAVING NOT TO TAKE A RISK ON THEIR OWN, THAT SOMEBODY MAY NOT, WE'RE, WE'RE COORDINATING AN EFFORT HERE.
IS THAT HOW I'M READING THIS? YES.
YEAH, I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THE CITY MANAGER SAID, PUTTING IN MY REAL ESTATE APPRAISER'S HAT, I, I'VE HAD DEALINGS WITH MALLS BEFORE AND THE, UH, ISRAELI BOND HOLDERS PROBABLY DON'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF INCENTIVE TO PUT LOTS OF MONEY INTO IT.
AND, UH, BY HAVING KIND OF A MASTER PLAN BY SOMEONE THAT REALLY KNOWS WHAT'S GOING ON, MAKE IN, IN MY OPINION, MAKES THE A LOT MORE MARKETABLE FOR THEM TO SELL AND GET OUT OF THEIR EQUITY POSITION.
BECAUSE BEFORE THEY WERE A LENDER, THEY'RE NOT IN THE BUSINESS OF BUILDING MALLS, THEY'RE IN THE BUSINESS OF LENDING MONEY.
AND SO THERE'S UM, UH, LIKE A SYNERGY OF ALL THE HOLDERS OF THE DIFFERENT INTERESTS IN THAT MALL, THE FIVE HOLDERS TO COORDINATE.
AND THAT KIND OF GIVES THEM A REGIONAL POWER TO COME UP WITH A PLAN THAT'S COMPREHENSIVE AND THAT WILL WHERE ALL THOSE PROPERTIES COMPLIMENT EACH OTHER AND BRING MORE PEOPLE IN.
SO THAT'S KIND OF LIKE THE POWER OF THAT MALL.
AND RIGHT NOW THEY DON'T REALLY HAVE THAT POWER.
'CAUSE THE OWNER, THE BOND HOLDERS, THAT'S NOT THEIR LINE OF BUSINESS.
SO, AND EXACTLY AS WHAT THE CITY MANAGER WAS SAYING, UH, THEY'RE PROBABLY NOT GONNA PUT A LOT OF MONEY IN INTO BUILDING NEW THINGS OR EVEN LOOKING AT BUILDING NEW THINGS, UH, BECAUSE THEY DO WANT, THEY WANT TO GO BACK TO BEING BOND HOLDERS ON SOMETHING.
SO THAT, THAT'S THE WAY I LOOK AT IT.
AND SO THIS, I THINK THIS IS, UH, THAT THE CITY IS IN A GOOD POSITION AS KIND OF THIS NEUTRAL PARTY TO GIVE IT TO ANOTHER NEUTRAL PARTY TO THAT WHERE THEY ARE EXPERTS AND THEY CAN PUT TOGETHER A PLAN THAT MAKES ECONOMIC SENSE WHERE EVERYBODY, INCLUDING THE CITY BENEFITS.
ANYBODY ELSE? I JUST HAVE A COMMENT IF YEAH, GO AHEAD.
YEAH, SO I'M GONNA TAKE A STEP BACK AND, YOU KNOW, MALLS ARE DYING ACROSS AMERICA.
I MEAN, THERE, I DON'T THINK ANYONE CAN SAY DIFFERENT OUTSIDE OF A COUPLE DIFFERENT, UM, EXAMPLES AND HYPER AFFLUENT AREAS, BUT EVEN THEN THE TRADITIONAL MODEL FOR MALLS HAS SHIFTED, UM, FROM WHAT WE SAW IN PARKWAY PLAZA TO NOW.
UM, YOU CAN LOOK AT, UM, THE, IN DEL MAR ONE PASS, UM, THAT'S THE NEW MODEL OF A MALL WHERE YOU
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HAVE A HANDFUL, MAYBE 10 SHOPS INSTEAD OF 300 SHOPS OR WHATEVER'S, UM, AT, AT AT PARKWAY PLAZA.SO THE, THE, THE MALLS, UH, THE MALLS HAVE CHANGED AND THE DESIRE IS TO HAVE A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE CAN HAVE AN EXPERIENCE AND NO LONGER TO GO SHOPPING.
COVID INCREASED THAT, UM, FROM TO, UH, INCREASED MALLS DYING.
UM, I, IF ANYONE FOLLOWS SOCIAL MEDIA ON, UH, THE MALL, EVERYONE JUST DOESN'T, THE PARKWAY PLAZA IS NOT SEEN IN A HIGH REGARD FROM, FROM THE PUBLIC AND IT'S NO SECRET.
UM, AND YOU GO THERE THROUGH THE MALL AND THERE'S VACANCIES ALL OVER THE PLACE.
NOW, GROSSMONT DID SOMETHING, GROSSMONT MALL DID SOMETHING.
I BELIEVE THERE WAS ONE OWNER THERE AND THEY SOLD.
AND THAT'S A VERY SIMPLE TRANSACTION BECAUSE IT'S ONE-TO-ONE, YOU DON'T NEED TO HERD CATS WITH, UM, OWNERS THAT HAVE DIFFERENT INTERESTS LIKE, LIKE GARY OUTLINED.
UM, SO THERE'S REALLY NO OTHER REGIONAL ORGANIZATION THAT'S GONNA STEP IN AND TRY AND SPARK SOME OPPORTUNITY AT THAT PLACE.
AND REALLY IT'S, THE CITY'S IS ALL THAT'S LEFT.
AND PARKWAY IS OUR BIGGEST TAX GENERATOR.
EVEN WHEN IT'S STRUGGLING, IT'S STILL OUR BIGGEST TAX GENERATOR.
IT'S ONE OF OUR BIGGEST ASSETS IN THE CITY.
AND OUR PREVIOUS, UM, AGENDA ITEM WAS TAX INCREASE POLLING.
THIS IS HOW WE SPARK, UM, GET, THIS IS HOW WE, UH, AVOID HAVING TO, UM, RAISE TAXES, IS BE AN INCENTIVE FOR BUSINESSES TO COME IN.
UM, SO I I, YOU KNOW, I LOVE THE IDEA THAT HUDEN HUDEN PARTNERS IS CONNECTED WITH BIG DEVELOPERS.
THEY'VE WORKED IN THE PRIVATE AND PUBLIC SECTOR.
UM, BUT I, I DON'T, I DON'T WANT OUR MALL TO JUST COMPLETELY DIE.
IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, UM, IT'S NOT RESPONSIBLE AND I THINK $250,000, $248,000.
UM, WE, WE HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO TRY AND I THINK WE'RE GOING TO, WE'RE GONNA GET SOME, NOT ONLY ESTABLISHING THE RELATIONSHIP WITH HYUNDAI, BUT THEN ALSO EXTENDING THAT RELATIONSHIP, UM, WITH ALL THEIR NETWORK IS, IS GONNA BE A GOOD THING, UM, FOR THE CITY, FOR PARKWAY PLAZA AND PUT US ON THE MAP AND SAY, HEY, THIS IS, THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY.
SO I'M, I'M GONNA BE VOTING YES ON THIS.
ANY SPEAKER CARDS ON THIS ITEM? NO SPEAKER CARDS, SIR.
I, I JUST WANT TO SAY BEFORE WE VOTE ON THAT, I THINK EVERYBODY'S GONNA PROBABLY VOTE YES ON THIS, BUT, UM, YOU HAVE TO THINK BIG TOO.
THIS IS NOT JUST ABOUT THE MALL.
THIS IS ABOUT HAVING KIND OF A, A PREMIER PROPERTY IN, IN THE CITY THAT BRINGS PEOPLE FROM OUTSIDE THE CITY.
AND, YOU KNOW, I I WAS JUST AT, UM, FASHION VALLEY THE OTHER DAY AND I WAS REALLY IMPRESSED BY HOW NICE THEY HAVE MADE THAT.
AND I, I JUST THINK THAT IF, YOU KNOW, WHEN IT COMES TO ATTRACTING, ATTRACTING MORE PEOPLE TO COME LIVE HERE, TO SPEND MORE MONEY ON MORE EXPENSIVE HOUSING TO, UM, OPEN BUSINESSES HERE, I, I THINK HAVING A A REALLY NICE VIBRANT MALL WOULD BE A GOOD, IT'S WORTH, I THINK IT'S WORTH THE MONEY TO SEE IF WE CAN MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
UH, ANY MORE DISCUSSION OR SOMETHING? I'D TO MAKE A MOTION.
I'LL, I'LL MOVE TO ADOPT THE RESOLUTION TO ENTER AN AGREEMENT WITH HUDSON STRATEGIC PARTNERS AS OUTLINED IN THE STAFF REPORT.
AND, UH, MAKE A MOTION THAT THE PROJECT IS EXEMPT FROM CQA ALL.
MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.
THERE ARE NO COMMISSIONER REPORTS ON TODAY'S AGENDA.
[16. Council Activity Report]
16, IS THAT MY ACTIVITIES REPORT? AND I THINK THERE'S A SPEAKER FOR THAT.AT THE DECEMBER 8TH SANDAG MEETING, BILL HAD SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT WHY TOLLS ON THE 1 25 WERE GOING, OR WHAT, I DON'T KNOW.
THEY'RE EITHER NOT GONNA BE COLLECTED OR HAD DRIVERS GETTING BILLS THEY WEREN'T SUPPOSED TO.
AND I WANT THE WHOLE CITY TO KNOW WHAT THIS MAYOR HAS BEEN EXPERIENCING.
THIS IS A MASHUP OF WHAT TRANSPIRED THAT DAY.
BE PATIENT, I WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST A WRITTEN EXPLANATION FOR THE QUESTIONS THAT I ASKED.
I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO FORMALLY SUGGEST THE, THE POSSIBILITY OF AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION INTO THIS.
UM, PERHAPS EVERYTHING ABOUT THIS IS COMPLETELY ABOVE BOARD, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THE, THAT THE PUBLIC HAS THE CONFIDENCE IN US ANY LONGER.
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TO THE BOARD.AND I I ASK THAT THAT WOULD BE AGENDIZED AT A FUTURE MEETING SO THAT THE BOARD CAN, CAN VOTE ON IT.
SO MAYOR, I ACTUALLY TAKE, UM, UM, YOU KNOW, I I, UM, WE WILL DO OUR BEST TO RESPOND TO EVERY ONE OF THOSE QUESTIONS.
UM, BUT I TAKE, CAN YOU GIMME A SECOND? BUT I TAKE OFFENSE TO ANYONE SAYING THAT, UM, THAT THERE IS NO TRANSPARENCY OR THAT THERE IS, LISTEN, IT'S MY TURN TO SPEAK.
I'M NOT SPEAKING THAT THIS BOARD IS NOT TAKING THIS SERIOUSLY.
THAT WE HAVEN'T FOLLOWED PROCESS, THAT WE'RE NOT INVESTIGATING, THAT WE ARE NOT DOING OUR DUE DILIGENCE.
I TAKE OFFENSE TO THAT, TO SAY THAT THERE IS NO INTEREST FROM THIS BOARD TO, TO ACTUALLY MOVE FORWARD AND THAT WE DON'T CARE.
AND LIKE ALL THIS STUFF, I, I REALLY TAKE OFFENSE TO THAT AND TO SAY THAT THERE IS NO INTEREST IN THIS BOARD TO MOVE FORWARD AND DO, UH, TAKE STEPS ON WHAT WE'RE DOING.
I, I FIND THAT VERY OFFENSIVE.
SO WITH THAT, LIKE RESPOND TO THOSE ACCUSATIONS.
YOU JUST SAID THAT RIGHT NOW CAN, CAN I RESPOND TO THE ACCUSATIONS? NO SIR.
I SAID WHAT I HEARD YOU SAY'S NOT WHAT SAID FINE.
SHE WAS GREATER THAN MY OBLIGATION NOT TO SEND YOU, I TAKE OFFENSE, I TAKE OFFENSE TO THAT.
I REALLY TAKE OFFENSE TO THAT AND I, I FIND THAT VERY OFFENSIVE.
SHE WAS VERY OFFENDED AS YOU COULD HEAR.
UH, THAT WAS THE SHORT VERSION OF WHAT HAPPENED.
UH, BUT WHAT BILL WAS SAYING WAS, I THINK MY OBLIGATION TO THE PUBLIC IS GREATER THAN MY OBLIGATION NOT TO OFFEND YOU.
I CAN RELATE TO THAT
WHAT DO YOU KNOW,
I DON'T HAVE PROOF YET AND I'M NOT DONE ADDRESSING THIS TOPIC AT SANDAG.
BELIEVE ME, I ALREADY GOT SOME STUFF WRITTEN.
BILL, THANK YOU FOR PUTTING UP WITH MY FRIEND NORA'S NONSENSE.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE PEOPLE OF THE CITY OF ELCON EITHER ATTEND IN PERSON OR CALL INTO THE NEXT JANUARY 12TH SANDAG MEETING AND BACK UP YOUR MAYOR, REP YOUR CITY AND CALL FOR MORE TRANSPARENCY.
[17. DEPUTY MAYOR STEVE GOBLE MTS (Metropolitan Transit System Board); East County Advanced Water Purification Joint Powers Authority Board; Chamber of Commerce – Government Affairs Committee; SANDAG – Board of Directors – Alternate; SANDAG Public Safety Committee – Alternate.]
ACTIVITY REPORT IS AS REPORTED, UH, GARY[18. COUNCILMEMBER GARY KENDRICK METRO Commission/Wastewater JPA; Heartland Communications; Heartland Fire Training JPA.]
AS REPORTED STEVE AS REPORTED PHIL AS REPORTED.OH, I THINK WE UH, PHIL, UH, STEVE, I'M SORRY.
I THINK THERE WAS A SPEAKER CARD FOR YOUR ITEM AS WELL.
TRUTH, I JUST WANTED TO MESS WITH STEVE.
I GAVE HIM A HARD TIME AT A COUPLE OF THE LAST MTSS.
UH, I THINK HE'S NOT A BIG FAN OF THE PUBLIC BEING ABLE TO COMMENT ON COUNCIL REPORTS.
WE'LL SEE, UH, STEVE'S GOTTEN A LITTLE TASTE OF SANDAG AS IN THE REPORT AND I SEE YOU HAD SOME EMAILS TO THE, TO JOEL AND TO THE COUNTY.
UH, I THINK I KNOW THE ANSWER OF HOW THAT WENT.
THEY LISTENED TO YOU JUST THE SAME AS THEY LISTENED TO EVERYONE ELSE.
THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS DOES NOT CARE WHAT CONSTITUENTS THINK AND THAT'S A FACT OF LIFE.
YOU HAVE TO ACCEPT IT'S ACTUALLY NOT TOO MUCH DIFFERENT THAN MTS WHERE SOMEONE LIKE MYSELF CAN TALK ABOUT THE LACK OF SAFETY ON THE TROLLEYS THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED BY SIMPLY HAVING TRANSIT SECURITY AT EVERY STATION AND ON EVERY TROLLEY POSSIBLE.
BUT WHEN MTS DOESN'T LISTEN TO SUCH OBVIOUS SOLUTIONS, WE HAVE INCIDENTS LIKE THE TWO SEPARATE ATTACKS WHERE ONE 21-YEAR-OLD WAS STABBED IN THE CHEST ON A TROLLEY WALL TAKING A NAP AND WHERE ONE 20-YEAR-OLD WAS PUNCHED AND THEN KNOCKED UNCONSCIOUS AFTER A TRANSIT SECURITY EXITED THE TROLLEY CAR.
WE HAVE PEOPLE ON MTS CONCERNED WITH MILITARY-LIKE OPERATION SHAKEDOWNS FOR FAIR RECOVERY WITH 50 TO 60 TRANSIT SECURITY WASTED IN ONLY ONE LOCATION.
AND THAT'S MORE VIOLENCE IN THE EYE WHEN REPS LIE AND SAY IT'S DONE FOR SAFETY LIKE STEVE DID.
THAT'S WHY I LIKE PEOPLE LIKE RON HALL WHO ARE AT LEAST HONEST ABOUT THE REAL INTENTIONS OF DECISIONS.
I DON'T CARE ABOUT DISAGREEMENTS AND THE LIES AND IGNORANCE THAT I HEAR AT MTS IS REALLY WHY I CONTINUE TO PARTICIPATE.
IT'S ACTUALLY MY LEAST FAVORITE BOARD AND MEETING.
SO IF YOU EVER HEAR A BAD MOOD, THAT'S WHY IT PUTS ME IN A BAD MOOD.
I TRY NOT TO BE, BUT IT HAPPENS.
SO REGARDING THAT DECEMBER 6TH MEETING OF THE MTS EAST COUNTY REPS, I HOPE YOU IN THE EAST COUNTY CLICK AS I'M CALLING IT, CAN GET SOME SENSE TOGETHER BEFORE YOU LOSE THE VERY SMALL 3% OR LESS OF PEOPLE WHO EVEN DARE TO RISK THEIR LIVES AND WASTE THEIR TIME CONSIDERING TAKING UNSAFE AND INEFFICIENT PUBLIC TRANSIT PROVIDED BY MTS.
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UH, BUT YOU KNOW, MAYBE I'LL TALK TO YOU THURSDAY IN PERSON.I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S GONNA WORK OUT WITH MY MTS MINUTE, IF I'M LUCKY.
MAYBE IT'LL BE 30 SECONDS NEXT TIME.
'CAUSE THEY'RE NOT BIG FANS OF THE BROWN ACT.
THEY PREFER TO GO HOME BY NOON.
I'D PREFER THEY STOP BEING PROPPED UP BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND GO OUTTA BUSINESS, BUT WHO KNOWS? BUT LEMME NOT END ON A BAD NOTE.
IT'S GOOD TO SEE ALL OF YOU AGAIN.
AND MUCH BETTER THAN SAN DIEGO, LIKE I SAID.
[20. COUNCILMEMBER PHIL ORTIZ League of California Cities, San Diego Division; East County Economic Development Council; MTS (Metropolitan Transit System Board) – Alternate; East County Advanced Water Purification Joint Powers Authority Board – Alternate; Chamber of Commerce – Government Affairs Committee – Alternate.]
PHIL AS RECORDED.[19. COUNCILMEMBER MICHELLE METSCHEL Harry Griffen Park Joint Steering Committee; METRO Commission/Wastewater JPA – Alternate; Heartland Communications – Alternate; Heartland Fire Training JPA – Alternate.]
MICHELLE AS RECORDED.[21. Considering Shade Structures in Residential Front Yards RECOMMENDATION: That the City Council directs staff to provide an analysis of the merits of modifying the El Cajon Municipal Code to allow permanent and semi-permanent shade structures in residential front yards.]
WE DO HAVE A JOINT COUNCIL MEMBER REPORT FROM DEPUTY MAYOR STEVE GOBEL AND COUNCIL MEMBER ORTIZ.UH, THIS ITEM WAS REQUESTED BY TWO RESIDENTS, UH, LOOKING TO IMPROVE THE LIFE VITALITY IN EL CAJON, WHERE THEY WERE LOOKING FOR SHADE STRUCTURES EITHER PERMANENT OR TEMPORARY IN THE FRONT YARD.
CURRENTLY THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED BY CODE.
AND SO THIS WOULD SAY, UH, HEY, CAN WE ALLOW SEATING AREAS UNDER SHADE STRUCTURES SUCH AS PERGOLAS OR OTHER THINGS? I'M VERY, UH, AWARE OF THE TIME STAFF SPENDS ON DIFFERENT PROJECTS LIKE THESE.
AND SO REALLY ALL I'M LOOKING FOR HERE IS A TWO TO THREE HOUR CURSORY REVIEW OF YES, THIS WOULD BE, UH, SOMETHING THAT MIGHT TAKE 20 HOURS OF PLANNING TIME, UH, TO LOOK UP DIFFERENT CODES AND THINGS OR, UH, OR NOT.
AND I IT'S RESPONSE TO A CUST OR A, UH, RESIDENT REQUEST.
AND SO THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR IS A VERY HIGH LEVEL CURSORY COUPLE HOUR.
DOES THIS THING MAKE SENSE IN OUR CITY? PHIL? I HAVE NOTHING FURTHER TO ADD IT.
SO, UM, GRAHAM, UH, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT'S POSSIBLE? I KIND OF HEARD TWO THINGS FROM MR. GOBEL AND I DON'T KNOW WHICH ONE, ONE WAS KIND OF A REVIEW TO IDENTIFY WHAT WOULD GO INTO AN ANALYSIS, BUT I ALSO HEARD, DOES THIS MAKE SENSE FOR EL CAJON? THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE PROBABLY TWO SEPARATE THINGS AND MY, MY FEELING WOULD BE AS A POLICY RECOMMENDER IN ORDER, I DON'T KNOW IF STAFF WOULD BE, IT'S, IT'S NOT OUR COMMUNITY, RIGHT? I IT'S ALMOST LIKE WE NEED TO GIVE YOU THE ANALYSIS OF THE PROS AND CONS OF MOVING FORWARD AND MAYBE THAT CAN BE A SHORT ANALYSIS, UM, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR.
SO I I'M LOOKING FOR SOME CLARITY ON SPECIFICALLY WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR.
'CAUSE I, I THINK FOR US TO OPINE, IS THIS GOOD OR BAD FOR EL CAJON THAT'S FAR MORE THAN TWO TO THREE HOURS? LET ME REVISE MY REMARKS.
I'M LOOKING FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT TO SAY, HEY, THAT'S, WE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THOSE KIND OF STRUCTURES, UH, IN A FRONT YARD.
THERE ARE A RISK TO, UH, ESPECIALLY IF THEY'RE MADE OUT OF FABRIC INSTEAD OF METAL.
AND, UH, SO THAT'S NOT GOOD FOR THE COMMUNITY.
UH, ON THE OTHER HAND, UH, UH, NEIGHBORS MEETING OUT IN THE FRONT YARD IN THE AFTERNOON TO ENJOY TALK TIME IS GOOD FOR THE COMMUNITY.
AND, AND I JUST EXPLAINED TO, UH, PROS AND CONS IN 30 SECONDS AND I BET YOU COULD DO BETTER IN TWO HOURS.
TO CLARIFY THIS IS, UM, THESE PAR LAWS OR, OR SHADE STRUCTURES, UM, NOT FABRIC BASED.
IS THAT CORRECT? MY DESIRES TO NOT BE FABRIC.
I I'M ASSUMING THAT THE STAFF WOULD AGREE MINE AS WELL FOR FIRE REASONS.
ALRIGHT, WELL I THINK YOU'VE GIVEN DIRECTION TO STAFF.
WOULD YOU LIKE WE NEED TO VOTE ON THAT THOUGH.
SO I'LL MAKE THE MOTION THAT, UH, STAFF SPEND NO MORE THAN THREE HOURS ON THIS TO DECIDE THE MERITS OF MODIFYING THE CODE TO ALLOW PERMANENT AND SEMI-PERMANENT SHADE STRUCTURES.
MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.
DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS ON THAT ITEM? I APOLOGIZE.
ALRIGHT, THERE ARE NO GENERAL INFORMATION ITEMS AND NO SEC, FIRST OR SECOND READINGS OR ORDINANCES TODAY.
[23. CLOSED SESSIONS:]
SESSION.THE CITY ATTORNEY WILL RECITE THE TITLE AND LEAD US INTO THE CLOSED SESSION.
THIS IS THE CITY CLERK'S EFFORT TO TRY TO GET EVEN WITH M AFTER ALL THOSE UNIFORM CODES, UH,
AND I THINK SHE'S DONE THIS IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE CITY MANAGER
UH, THE FIRST ITEM IS, UH, CLOSED SESSION FOR CONFERENCE WITH LEGAL COUNSEL ON ANTICIPATED LI LITIGATION SIGNIFICANT EXPOSURE LITIGATION
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PURSUANT TO PARAGRAPH TWO OF SUBDIVISION D OF CALIFORNIA GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 5 4 9 5 6 0.9 WITH ONE POTENTIAL CASE.THE FACTS AND CIRCUMSTANCES ARE AS FOLLOWS AND THE COURSE OF CONSTRUCTION OF THE CITY'S EL CAJON BOULEVARD STREETSCAPE PROJECT CITY'S CONTRACTOR, TRI GROUP CONSTRUCTION AND DEVELOPMENT INC.
HAS PRESENTED NUMEROUS CLAIMS AGAINST THE CITY FOR EXTRA DAYS AND EXTRA COMPENSATION UNDER THE CONTRACT.
THE SECOND ITEM NUMBER 23, CLOSED SESSION CONFERENCE WITH LEGAL COUNSEL.
ANTICIPATED LITIGATION INITIATION OF LITIGATION PURSUANT TO PARAGRAPH FOUR OF SUBDIVISION D OF SECTION 5 4 9 5 6 0.91, POTENTIAL CASE ITEM 24, CLOSED SESSION CONFERENCE WITH LEGAL COUNSEL.
EXISTING LITIGATION PURSUANT TO PARAGRAPH ONE OF SUBDIVISION D OF GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 5 4 9 5 6 0.9.
THE NAME OF THE CASE IS TRI GROUP CONSTRUCTION AND DEVELOPMENT INC.
VERSUS CITY OF EL CAJON, SUPERIOR COURT OF CALIFORNIA, COUNTY OF SAN DIEGO.
CASE NUMBER 23 SC 0 3 1 9 7 C.
ITEM NUMBER 25 IS A CLOSED SESSION CONFERENCE WITH LEGAL COUNSEL FOR EXISTING LITIGATION PURSUANT TO PARAGRAPH ONE OF SUBDIVISION D GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 5 4 9 6 5 4 9 5 6 0.9 TRUCK AND SUV SUPERSTORE INC.
IT'S A SUPERIOR COURT CASE NUMBER 37 DASH 2023 DASH 5 3 9.
AND FINALLY, THE UH, LAST ITEM IS ITEM 26, CLOSED SESSION FOR OUR CONFERENCE WITH LEGAL COUNSEL.
ANTICIPATED LITIGATION, SIGNIFICANT EXPOSURE OF LITIGATION PURSUANT TO PARAGRAPH TWO OF SEVEN, DIVISION D OF BERMAN CODE SECTION 5 4 9 5 6 0.9.
IN THIS CASE, THERE ARE TWO POTENTIAL CASES.
UH, THE FACTS AND CIRCUMSTANCES ARE, UH, CLAIMS WERE RECEIVED FROM ALAN CUNNINGHAM, DBA CALIFORNIA REGISTRATION SERVICES AND STETS IRON HORSE RANCH, WHERE BOTH HAVE, UH, SUBMITTED, UM, OR MAKE ALLEGATIONS OF LOSS OF PROFITS AND OTHER DAMAGES DUE TO CONSTRUCTION ON THE EL CAJON BOULEVARD STREETSCAPE PROJECT, WHICH ABUTS THE CLAIMANT'S PRO UH, BUSINESSES.
OKAY, UH, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THEN THE, UH, ADJOURN CLOSED SESSION.
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE'LL BE BACK SOON, I HOPE.
AND, UH, WE'LL CONCLUDE THE MEETING AT THAT POINT.
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE'RE BACK FROM CLOSED SESSION.
I'LL ASK OUR CITY ATTORNEY TO REPORT ON CLOSED SESSION.
THE CITY COUNCIL MET IN CLOSED SESSION ON THE FIVE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA.
AND RATHER THAN GO THROUGH THEM AGAIN, I WILL JUST REPORT THAT NO ACTION WAS TAKEN ON ANY OF THEM.
THIS BRINGS US TO THE ADJOURNMENT, THE REGULAR JOINT MEETING OF THE EL CAJON CITY COUNCIL.
EL CAJON HOUSING AUTHORITY SUCCESSOR AGENCY TO THE ALCOHOL AND REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY.
HELD THIS 12TH DAY OF DECEMBER, 2023 IS ADJOURNED TILL TUESDAY, DECEMBER 12TH, 2023.