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RISE FOR A FLAG.IN A MOMENT OF SILENCE, BEGIN, I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE.
ALRIGHT, COMMISSIONER MOROSE PRESENT.
COMMISSIONER P*****K RUDE PRESENT.
COMMISSIONER, SOLE PRESENT AND COMMISSIONER EDISON.
PRESENT, ALL COMMISSIONERS PRESENT.
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TO THE ELCON PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.THIS MEETING IS BEING LIVE STREAMED ON THE ELCON CITY WEBSITE.
APPEALS OF FINAL DECISIONS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION MADE THIS EVENING MUST BE FILED IN WRITING WITH THE CITY CLERK BEFORE 5:00 PM FRIDAY, NOVEMBER 17TH, 2023 AND MUST INCLUDE THE PAYMENT OF A FILING FEE.
IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK ON EITHER A NON-AGENDA OR AGENDA ITEM TONIGHT, PLEASE FILL OUT THE REQUEST TO SPEAK CARD LOCATED BY THE AGENDA AND TURN IT INTO THE SECRETARY WHO WILL CALL YOU UP TO SPEAK.
WHEN THE AGENDA ITEM COMES UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, WE ASK THAT YOU GIVE US YOUR NAME, SPELLING OF YOUR LAST NAME.
SPEAKERS ARE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES.
THE DISPLAY ON THE PODIUM AS WELL AS OTHER MONITORS IN THE CHAMBER WILL SHOW TIME COUNTING DOWN AT 30 SECONDS.
THE PODIUM CLOCK READOUT WILL TURN RED, SIGNIFYING THAT YOU HAVE 30 SECONDS UNTIL THE END OF YOUR TIME.
APPLICANTS AND INDIVIDUALS REPRESENTING GROUPS OF PEOPLE MAY BE ALLOWED MORE TIME IF APPROPRIATE.
ALL PUBLIC HEARING COMMENTS SHOULD BE ADDRESSED TO ME AS THE CHAIR OF THE COMMISSION AND NOT TO INDIVIDUAL COMMISSIONERS OR STAFF MEMBERS.
PLEASE TURN OFF ALL ELECTRONIC DEVICES IF YOU HAVE NOT DONE SO AT THIS TIME.
PURSUANT TO CITY COUNCIL RESOLUTION ONE 14 DASH 79, A COMMISSIONER WHO HAS RECEIVED EVIDENCE RELATED TO A MATTER BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION OTHER THAN AN UNESCORTED VIEW OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS REQUIRED TO DISCLOSE SUCH INFORMATION AT THE HEARING.
AT THIS TIME, WE WILL TAKE COMMENTS FROM ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC ON ANY ITEM OF BUSINESS WITHIN THE JURISDICTION OF THE COMMISSION THAT IS NOT ON THE AGENDA UNDER STATE LAW.
NO ACTION CAN BE MADE OR TAKEN UP ON ITEMS BROUGHT BEFORE US UNDER PUBLIC COMMENT EXCEPT TO REFER TO STAFF FOR ADMINISTRATION OR TO PLACE IT ON A FUTURE AGENDA.
IF THERE'S ANYONE WHO WISHES TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION UNDER PUBLIC COMMENT, PLEASE COME FORWARD.
SEEING THERE'S NONE UNDER PUBLIC COMMENT, WE'LL GO TO THE CONSENT CALENDAR.
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A SINGLE MOTION WILL COVER ALL ITEMS ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR.DOES, DOES COMMISSION WISH TO PULL ANY ITEMS? NO STAFF.
DO YOU WISH TO PULL ANY ITEMS? NO CHANGES FROM STAFF.
OKAY, THEN I MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT MINUTES.
MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER MOROSE.
SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER SOLE, PLEASE VOTE.
MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.
WE'LL NOW MOVE TO THE PUBLIC, UH, HEARING.
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IS AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO, LITERACY FIRST CHARTER SCHOOL EXPANSION.IT IS A REQUEST TO INCREASE STUDENT ENROLLMENT.
IT IS SQL EXEMPT AND STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVE STAFF.
WAIT FOR THE POWERPOINT TO GET UP HERE.
UH, THE FIRST ITEM FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION IS THE LITER LITERACY.
FIRST CHARTER SCHOOL ENROLLMENT INSPECT EXPANSION, EXCUSE ME, PROJECT, WHICH IS, UH, WHICH PROPOSES TO INCREASE ENROLLMENT NUMBERS TO MATCH THOSE AUTHORIZED BY THE SAN DIEGO COUNTY BOARD OF EDUCATION.
FIRST CURRENT OPERATIONS, UH, THE USE PERMIT ON FILE WITH THE CITY.
UH, CURRENTLY CAPS ENROLLMENT AT 350 STUDENT 350 STUDENTS.
UH, THIS PROPOSAL IS FOR ENROLLMENT OF UP TO 620 STUDENTS.
UH, AND THE PROJECT DOES NOT INCLUDE ANY NEW STRUCTURES OR MAJOR MODIFICATIONS TO THE SITE.
UH, THE PROJECT IS SUBMITTED BY STEVE ROBINSON OF LITERACY FIRST CHARTER SCHOOLS.
OKAY, SO THE SUBJECT SITE IS ON THE NORTH SIDE OF EAST BRADLEY AVENUE BETWEEN NORTH MOLLISON AVENUE AND NORTH FIRST STREET.
UH, AND IT'S ADDRESSED 10 12 EAST BRADLEY AVENUE.
THE SITE AREA IS ROUGHLY 269,000 SQUARE FEET, UM, OR JUST OVER SIX ACRES.
UH, STRUCTURES AT THE SITE TOTAL, APPROXIMATELY 35,900 SQUARE FEET, UH, AND INCLUDE, UH, 23 CLASSROOMS. THE SITE ALSO INCLUDES, UH, A PLAY FIELD ABOUT 260 PARKING SPACES AND LANDSCAPING.
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THE PROJECT AREA BORDERS THE COUNTY'S JURISDICTION ON THREE SIDES.THAT'S TO THE NORTH, THE EAST AND THE SOUTH.
UM, AND ASIDE FROM A FEW MULTI-FAMILY DWELLINGS TO THE SOUTH, IT'S PRIMARILY SURROUNDED BY, UH, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES IN THE CITY AND IN THE COUNTY.
IT SHOULD ALSO BE NOTED THAT THERE IS ACCESS TO THE SITE OFF OF EAST BRADLEY AVENUE AS WELL AS PEPPER DRIVE TO THE NORTH.
THE CHARTER SCHOOL IS LOCATED WITHIN THE RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY 6,000 SQUARE FOOT ZONE, THE R SIX ZONE, WHICH IS CONSISTENT WITH THE LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL GENERAL PLAN DESIGNATION.
UH, WITHIN RESIDENTIAL ZONES, EDUCATIONAL FACILITIES DO REQUIRE APPROVAL OF A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, UH, AND IN THIS CASE, UH, LEGACY CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT NUMBER 7 32 AUTHORIZES SUCH USE.
UH, THE, UH, LEGACY CUP WAS ORIGINALLY PERMITTED, UH, TO, UH, AUTHORIZED A RELIGIOUS FACILITY AT THE SITE.
UH, BUT THEN IN 2004, IN JANUARY OF 2004, UH, THEY WERE GRANTED AN AMENDMENT TO ALLOW FOR THE CHARTER SCHOOL TO OPERATE FROM THE SITE.
IN 2006, THE CUP WAS FURTHER AMENDED, UH, FOR ADDITIONAL AN ADDITIONAL CLASSROOM STRUCTURE.
UH, AND AT THAT TIME, THE ENROLLMENT CAP WAS NOT INCREASED FROM 350 STUDENTS.
UH, LITERACY FIRST CHARTER SCHOOLS WAS RENEWED.
UH, THEIR CHARTER WAS RENEWED BY THE SAN DIEGO COUNTY BOARD OF EDUCATION IN 2006, 2011, 2016, AND 2021.
AND WITH EACH OF THOSE RENEWALS, UH, CAME AN INCREASE IN ENROLLMENT, UH, AUTHORIZED BOARD BY THE BOARD OF EDUCATION.
UM, AND SINCE 2019, UH, LITERACY FIRST HAS ACTUALLY BEEN OPERATING ABOVE, UH, UH, ABOUT 575 STUDENTS AT THAT SITE.
UM, AND UNFORTUNATELY, THE CP HAS NOT KEPT UP WITH THE AUTHORIZATIONS FROM THE COUNTY.
UM, AND WHICH WAS THE IMPETUS FOR THIS APPLICATION.
UH, ALSO IN 2019, LITERACY FIRST CHARTER SCHOOLS PURCHASED THE CAMPUS FROM THE INTERNATIONAL CHURCH OF THE FOUR SQUARE GOSPEL.
UH, SO THEY NOW OPERATE AND CONTROL THE ENTIRETY OF THE SITE.
UM, SCHOOL ADMINISTRATION HAS EXPRESSED THAT 620 STUDENTS IS THE MAXIMUM THE SITE COULD SUPPORT GIVEN THE 23 CLASSROOMS AND THEIR AIMS, UH, TO MAINTAIN, UH, SMALLER CLASS SIZES.
UH, A NOTICE OF APPLICATION FOR THE PROJECT WAS GIVEN, AND LITERACY FIRST CHARTER SCHOOLS ALSO, UH, SUBSEQUENTLY ELECTED TO SCHEDULE A COMMUNITY MEETING AT THE CAMPUS.
UM, RESPONSES TO THOSE NOTICES.
AND DURING THAT COMMUNITY MEETING, LARGELY CONCERNED, UH, TRAFFIC, UH, FENCING ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL USES, UM, AND THEN ALSO SCHOOL SIGNS.
UM, AND AS PART OF THIS REQUEST, LITERACY FIRST HAD ALREADY COMMISSIONED A TRAFFIC STUDY TO ASSESS IF THE INCREASE IN ENROLLMENT, UH, WOULD HAVE, UH, UH, ANY EFFECT ON TRAFFIC, IF ANY, UH, THE TRAFFIC STUDY CONCLUDED THAT ROADWAYS IN THE VICINITY WOULD CONTINUE TO OPERATE AT ACCEPTABLE LEVELS, UH, BUT ALSO INCLUDED RECOMMENDATIONS.
UH, THE PRIMARY RECOMMENDATION OF THAT REPORT WAS THE ADDITION OF A 150 FOOT LONG, UH, TURN POCKET, WHICH WOULD SERVE VEHICLES, UH, WAITING TO MAKE AN EASTBOUND LEFT HAND TURN INTO THE SITE, UH, FROM THE WEST WESTERNMOST DRIVEWAY, UM, ON BRADLEY AVENUE.
UM, SINCE THE ROADWAY IS WITHIN THE COUNTY'S JURISDICTION, UM, THE REPORT WAS SHARED WITH THE COUNTY TRAFFIC ENGINEER WHO INDICATED SUPPORT FOR THAT INCREASED SAFETY MEASURE, THAT TURN POCKET.
UH, THE REPORT ALSO INCLUDED, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS FOR ONSITE QUEUING AND TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT.
AND THEN ON A SEPARATE NOTE, UH, LITERACY FIRST CHARTER SCHOOLS, UH, AS WE UNDERSTAND DURING THE MEETING, IS ALSO IN CONTACT WITH AN ADJACENT NEIGHBOR TO IMPROVE FENCING ALONG THE PROPERTY LINE.
UM, AND THEN ADDITIONALLY, THE KEY CONCERN OF LACK OF SCHOOL ZONE SIGNS FACING EASTBOUND TRAFFIC ON EAST BRADLEY, THE CITY ENGINEER HAS INDICATED THAT A SCHOOL ZONE SIGN CAN BE INSTALLED, UH, AND THAT THE CITY CAN FACILITATE THE INSTALLATION OF THAT SIGN.
I ALSO WANTED TO MENTION THAT IN ADDITION TO, UM, THE CONCERNS THAT WE HEARD, UH, STAFF ALSO RECEIVED NUMEROUS EMAILS IN SUPPORT OF THIS PROPOSAL.
AND THEN JUST FOR THE SAKE OF EXAMPLE, WE INCLUDED A VERY, UH, ROUGH ILLUSTRATION OF WHAT, UH, A LEFT CHAR POCKET MIGHT LOOK LIKE ON EAST BRADLEY AVENUE.
UH, THERE'S NOT CONCERN REALLY FOR THE WIDTH OF THE, OF THE RIGHT OF WAY THERE, UM, TO, YOU KNOW, OBSTRUCT ANY DRIVE LINES, DRIVE AISLES.
AND, UM, SO MOVING ON TO THE PROPOSED PROJECT CONDITIONS, UH, STAFF STAFF'S PROPOSED RESOLUTION CONTAINS THE AFOREMENTIONED, AFOREMENTIONED LEFT TURN POCKET AND ONSITE TRAFFIC, UH, CONTROL MEASURES, UH, RECOMMENDED BY THAT, UH, REPORT.
UM, THE PROPOSED CONDITIONS ALSO WOULD ALLOW LITERACY FIRST CHARTER SCHOOLS TO INSTALL FENCES THAT ARE UP FENCES OR WALLS UP TO EIGHT FEET IN HEIGHT OUTSIDE OF THE REQUIRED SETBACK AREAS, UH, TO FACILITATE THAT FUTURE FENCE PROJECT THAT
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THEY'LL BE WORKING ON.UH, THIS WOULD ALSO AVOID THE NEED FOR THEM TO COME BACK FOR A SEPARATE, UH, PLANNING PERMIT OR AN OVER HEIGHT FENCE.
UH, OTHER PROPOSED CONDITIONS INCLUDE SOME GENERAL COMPATIBILITY MEASURES, UH, SUCH AS ONGOING MAINTENANCE OF LANDSCAPING, UH, A PROHIBITION ON THE USE OF A PUBLIC ADDRESS SYSTEM OTHER THAN A SCHOOL BELL.
UM, THOSE SORTS OF ITEMS. UM, THE PROPOSED CONDITIONS ALSO MAKE CLEAR THAT, UH, ANY COMPATIBILITY ISSUES THAT, UH, SHOULD ARISE CAN BE ADDRESSED BY CO COMPLIANCE OR BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION BY REVIEWING THIS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
AND THEN, UM, AS OUTLINED IN STAFF SUPPORT, UH, THE FOLLOWING ARE PROPOSED FINDINGS THAT CAN BE MADE IN THE AFFIRMATIVE.
THE, UH, GENERAL PLAN ENCOURAGES THE INTERACTION BETWEEN RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, MAJOR STREETS AND BOUNDARIES AND SCHOOLS AND PARKS TO CREATE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, FOCAL POINTS.
THE PROPOSED PROJECT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, UH, AND DOES NOT PROPOSE NEW DEVELOPMENT OR MODIFICATIONS TO STRUCTURES THAT GENERALLY SCHOOLS ARE CONSIDERED COMPATIBLE WITH RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS.
AND THAT THE PROJECT ADDRESSES THE ISSUE OF TRAFFICKED.
FURTHER CONDITIONS REQUIRE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS IN THE TRAFFIC REPORT, UH, THAT IMPACTS ARE NOT ANTICIPATED WITH THE NORMAL OPERATION OF A CHARTER SCHOOL.
AND THAT, UH, IF THE INSTITUTION DOES BECOME A NUISANCE, UH, THERE ARE REMEDIES THROUGH CO COMPLIANCE OR THROUGH REVIEW OF THIS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
AND FINALLY, THE PROPOSED PROJECT WOULD PROVIDE INCREASED CAPACITY FOR A SUCCESSFUL EDUCATIONAL FACILITY SERVING THE ALCON COMMUNITY, UH, AND PROVIDES INCREASED VARIETY IN EDUCATIONAL OPTIONS.
UH, AND SO WITH THAT, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE CQA EXEMPTION AND CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT NUMBER 2023 DASH 0 0 0 7 SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS.
AND THAT CONCLUDES STAFF'S REPORT AND WE'RE AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YET.
UM, I'M FAMILIAR WITH THAT AREA.
UM, IN INCREASING THE STUDENTS, WHAT'S GONNA BE THE DISMISSAL, THE DROP OFF DISMISSAL TIMES IS THEY'RE GONNA BE ALTERATIONS.
ARE THEY GONNA BE STAGGERING THEM? THE ONLY REASON WHY I HAVE CONCERN WITH THAT IS I'M REALLY FAMILIAR WITH THE BRADLEY BRIDGE AREA, AND I KNOW IT'S NOT TOO CLOSE, BUT IT'S CLOSE ENOUGH WHERE THE
A COUPLE, UH, I THINK A COUPLE POINTS TO MAKE THERE.
UM, SO I THINK WITH THE ADDITION OF THAT LEFT TURN POCKET, UM, ACCORDING TO THE, THE TRAFFIC STUDY, UH, THAT SHOULD ALLEVIATE, UH, NOT NECESSARILY ALLEVIATE, BUT, UH, HELP THE QUEUING OF CARS THAT HAPPENED TO OCCUR ON THE PUBLIC, UH, RIGHT OF WAY IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.
UM, THE REPORT DOES ASSESS PEAK HOURS, SO THAT IS THE DROP OFF HOURS IN THE MORNING AND THE DISMISSAL TIMES.
UM, GENERALLY SPEAKING, THE UM, DISMISSAL TIME IS LESS OF A CONCERN DUE TO EXTRACURRICULAR, EXTRACURRICULAR ACTIVITIES AND OTHER EVENTS THAT USUALLY OCCUR AT THE END OF THE SCHOOL DAY.
SO MANY KIDS GET PICKED UP LATER, STAY LATER.
UM, IT'S ALSO ASSESSED IN THE REPORT THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, GENERALLY SPEAKING, THAT PART OF THE BRADLEY WOULD BE OPERATING AT A, I BELIEVE IS AB TO C, UH, IN TERMS OF THE, UH, UM, LEVEL OF SERVICE.
UH, SO, WHICH IS A GENERALLY ACCEPTED, UH, LEVEL OF SERVICE FOR A, A STREET LIKE THAT.
BUT IN REGARDS TO THE QUESTION OF, UM, THE STAGGER DROP OFF PICKUPS, IS, IS THERE ANY STAGGERING OF THAT AT ALL? I, I DON'T, I I'M JUST ASKING 'CAUSE I, I DON'T KNOW.
OR IS IT A QUESTION POSSIBLY FOR, FOR LITERACY FIRST? YEAH, NO.
UM, BUT YES, YOU COULD ASK THAT OF, OF THEIRSELVES.
I'M JUST THAT PARTICULAR AREA, ESPECIALLY WITH THE BRIDGE I'VE BEEN ON IT, IT'S, TO USE THE WORD CHALLENGING.
MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I, I'LL, I'LL CONCEDE IF I MAY ADD, UM, THE PLEASE.
UH, THE BRIDGE IS LOCATED, UM, IN THE UNINCORPORATED PORTION OF SAN DIEGO COUNTY.
SO IT'S UNDER THE JURISDICTION OF, UH, SAN DIEGO COUNTY.
UH, THE COUNTY IS MOVING FORWARD WITH, UH, A BRIDGE EXPANSION PROJECT, UH, AT THAT BRADLEY INTERCHANGE.
UH, SO THAT'S MOVING FORWARD IN 2025.
UM, SO JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THAT.
WELL, WITH, WITH THAT, AND I DON'T MEAN I'M NOT WITH THE BRIDGE EXPANSION, THAT'S MAJOR SURGERY.
THAT'S, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS I'M SEEING, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE GONNA EXPAND THE STUDENT CAPACITY AND THEN DOING A BRIDGE EXPANSION, THAT'S GONNA BE A, A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON THAT PARTICULAR AREA OF THE COMMUNITY.
THAT'S PRETTY CHALLENGING ALREADY.
THAT'S THE ONLY REASON WHY I'M ASKING MORE ABOUT THE DROPOFFS.
IF, IF THERE IS ANY STAGGER MEAN MORE OF A CURIOSITY MORE THAN
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ANYTHING.JUST, UH, FOR MY OWN FREE KNOWLEDGE, I THINK THE APPLICANT CAN ADDRESS THOSE QUESTIONS ABOUT STAGGERED DROPOFF.
I THINK AS SPENCER HAD MENTIONED, UM, IN, IN HIS RESPONSE, UH, IS THAT THE TRAFFIC STUDY, UM, DOESN'T REQUIRE, UM, THOSE STAGGERED, UH, DROP OFF TIMES.
AND THEN THE INFORMATION ABOUT THE BRIDGE WAS JUST TO BE, IN ADDITION TO KNOW THAT FUTURE IMPROVEMENTS ARE ALSO COMING.
UH, QUESTION YOU SAID THAT, SO SIX 20 IS THE MAX, BUT YOU SAID THEY'VE BEEN OPERATING AT HOW MANY FOR THE LAST THREE YEARS? YEAH, I WAS JUST ABOUT TO TRY TO CHIME IN WITH THAT AS WELL.
YEAH, SO, UH, SINCE 2019 THEY'VE BEEN OPERATING BETWEEN 575 AND ABOUT 600 STUDENTS.
SO WE'RE NOT, SO IT'S JUST, IN MY OPINION, IT'S MORE OF A CLEANUP BECAUSE THEY'RE ALREADY THERE, STUDENTS ARE ALREADY THERE.
SO THE TRAFFIC WAS STUDIED DURING THE TIMES WHEN THERE WAS 600 STUDENTS THERE, CORRECT? CORRECT.
SO WHAT WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT IS A TRAFFIC STUDY WITH 350, TRYING TO GUESS WHAT THE IMPACT IS.
AND THEY'VE ALREADY GIVE YOU THE RECOMMENDATIONS BASED ON ACTUAL DROP OFF IN PICKUPS, CORRECT? UH, CORRECT.
AND SO THE STUDY TAKES THAT SIX 20 NUMBER AND USES IT AS LIKE A PROJECTION BASICALLY TO, TO ASSESS.
COMMISSIONER SOLE? UH, YEAH, I, I BELIEVE THE DISTANCE, UH, FROM UH, BRADLEY AND 67 TO NORTH FIRST STREET'S ABOUT THREE MILES WOULD YOU SAY, OR DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE DISTANCE IS? I, I'M ESTIMATING BETWEEN THREE TO FOUR MILES.
I DON'T THINK IT'S QUITE THAT FAR.
MAYBE A MILE AND A HALF, MAYBE
COMMISSIONER ALSO, ALSO, I DIDN'T KNOW THAT THERE WAS A, A DRIVE THROUGH ALL THE WAY TO PEPPER DRIVE.
SO IT IS A POSSIBILITY WHERE PEOPLE COULDN'T COME IN AND THEN GET OUT ON PEPPER DRIVE AND THE TRAFFIC PLAN HAS THEM SPLITTING BY GRADE.
SO IT, IT DOESN'T, THEY DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK TO BRADLEY.
THEY CAN GO OUT ON PEPPER DRIVE SOME DO.
THANK YOU FOR CLEARING THAT UP.
COMMISSIONER C YOU STILL HAVE A QUESTION? YEAH.
SO I, I THOUGHT I KNEW WHERE THE CITY COUNTY BOUNDARIES WERE.
AND WHEN YOU MENTIONED THAT THE LEFT TURN LANE WOULD BE IN THE COUNTY, I REALIZED THAT I MIGHT NOT HAVE A CLEAR PICTURE IN THIS AREA.
WHERE DID THE CITY END? BECAUSE I KNOW, I REMEMBER WHEN THEY ANNEXED A PORTION OF ONE, A COUPLE LOTS THAT WAS COUNTY THAT THEY ANNEXED.
AND SO IF YOU CAN HELP ME OUT
UM, YEAH, SO NOAH'S JUST POINTING OUT THAT IT'S ACTUALLY WHERE THAT DARK LINE IS ON THE, IN THE ACTUAL ROADWAY.
YOU CAN TELL IN THIS AERIAL IMAGE.
OH, SO JUST WEST? YEAH, THE PAVEMENT CHANGES WEST OF LFCS IS CORRECT.
AND THEN ON THEIR EAST SIDE, UH, THEIR PROPERTY LINE IS ESSENTIALLY THE BOUNDARY WITH THE COUNTY.
UH, ALONG THEIR ACTUAL PROPERTY.
FOLLOWS THE, THE LINES OF THE PROPERTY.
SO WE ARE ON THE WEST SIDE OF THEM, CORRECT.
QUICK QUESTION WITH THIS WAY THEY HAD IT MAPPED OUT OF HOW THEY'RE GONNA COME IN AND OUT.
IS THAT WHAT THEY'RE CURRENTLY DOING? OR IS THAT A NEW YEAH, SO EXHIBIT NINE, I BELIEVE IN THE ACTUAL TRAFFIC STUDY SHOWS, UH, IT'S EIGHT AND NINE, I BELIEVE IN THE TRAFFIC STUDY SHOW THAT, UH, THERE'S LIKE A DOUBLE STACK QUEUE.
THEY WRAP AROUND CERTAIN PORTIONS OF THE SITE.
UM, SO I, I BELIEVE MOST OF THE TRAFFIC WOULD COME BACK OUT ONTO, UH, BRADLEY.
UH, BUT THE, THEY ACCOUNT FOR PEOPLE ENTERING THE SITE FROM, FROM BOTH SIDES BASICALLY.
AND WITH THE PEPPER EXIT, IS THAT ONLY EXIT ONLY? IT'S NOT ENTRANCE ONLY.
IS IT JUST AN EXIT? 'CAUSE UNLESS IT SAYS IT'S EXIT, IS IT ALWAYS EXIT ONLY ON THAT PARTICULAR LOCATION? YEAH, I THINK WE'LL LET THE APPLICANT SPEAK TO THAT.
UH, BUT I BELIEVE THAT IT'S PRIMARILY ENTRANCE OFF OF PEPPER, UH, AND PRIMARILY ENTRANCE OFF INTO THE WESTERN DRIVEWAY ENTRY, UH, AS SHOWN IN THIS KIND OF WHERE THE TURN POCKET TURNS IN.
UH, AND THEN I WAS JUST LOOKING AT THE ACTUAL MAP WHEN THEY DROP OFF.
LOOK, IT SAID AN EXIT ON THAT, SO I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT WAS IT'S BOTH OR CHANGE.
UM, SO ONE OF THE PAGES, AND I'M TRYING TO FIND WHICH PAGE IT IS, SHOWS THE ENTRY VERSUS EXIT NUMBERS, I BELIEVE.
THIS IS FIGURE FIVE, I BELIEVE.
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GOOD AFTERNOON.UM, FIGURE NUMBER 11 KIND OF DEPICTS THE WORST CASE SCENARIO, WHICH IS OCCURRING.
SO THE, THE FIGURE ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE, THE LITTLE STICKS WITH THE NUMBERS ARE JUST THE, THE ACTUAL IN AND OUT VOLUMES FOR THE, THAT PARTICULAR, UH, SITE.
SO HOPEFULLY THAT SHED SOME LIGHT.
SO THIS, AS YOU SAID, THE THE STUDENT COUNT IS PRETTY CLOSE, IF NOT TO WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
SO THE TRAFFIC IMPACT IS KIND OF THERE, WHAT WE'RE SEEING ALREADY, MORE OR LESS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? ALRIGHT.
WELL AT THIS TIME THEN LET'S GO AHEAD AND OPEN UP PUBLIC HEARING.
DO YOU HAVE ANY, UH, SPEAKER CARDS? YES, WE DO.
GOOD EVENING CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
MY NAME'S DEBBIE BYER AND I AM THE FOUNDER AND EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR FOR LITERACY FIRST CHARTER SCHOOL, K 12.
AND I JUST WANTED TO SPEND A COUPLE MINUTES JUST GIVING A LITTLE BIT OF CONTEXT WITH REGARD TO LITERACY FIRST.
UM, WE HAVE THREE SCHOOLS IN EL CA IN THE EL CAJON AREA.
AND OUR HIGH SCHOOL IS IN ALPINE.
LITERACY FIRST STARTED IN AUGUST OF 2001, A FEW DAYS, UM, BEFORE NINE 11.
WE STARTED WITH 114 LITTLE KIDDOS KINDERGARTEN THROUGH THIRD GRADE.
AND THE GROWTH THAT WE'VE SEEN OVER THE PAST 20 PLUS YEARS HAVE BEEN PRETTY PHENOMENAL.
THE CHALLENGES, HOWEVER, WITH CHARTER SCHOOLS ARE ALL THESE FACILITIES, YOU DON'T REALLY KNOW WHEN YOU BEGIN SOMETHING, HOW IT MIGHT PROSPER.
AND YOU HAVE DREAMS AND HOPES OF WHAT YOU THINK IT WOULD DO, BUT YOU DON'T REALLY KNOW.
SO TWO YEARS INTO THIS PROJECT, WE REALIZED THAT AT ST.
MICHAEL'S WHERE WE WERE LOCATED, UM, IT BECAME CLEAR TO US THAT WE WERE GONNA HAVE TO FIND A BIGGER PLACE.
AND SO, UM, WE BEGAN LOOKING FOR A BIGGER PLACE.
WE BEGAN SEARCHING THE STREETS OF EL CAJON, LOOKING FOR A PLACE WHERE WE COULD PUT MORE STUDENTS.
AND 10 12 EAST BRADLEY CAME TO US.
AND ALL OF THIS SEARCH, IT WAS MUCH BIGGER.
IT SEEMED LIKE A PERFECT FIT FOR A CAMPUS FOR LARGER KIDS 'CAUSE IT WAS A LARGER PLACE.
SO 10 12 EAST BRADLEY BECAME OUR JUNIOR ACADEMY SERVING STUDENTS FOURTH THROUGH EIGHTH GRADE.
MICHAEL'S WOULD GO OVER TO THE JUNIOR ACADEMY AND THAT WOULD BUILD THAT PROGRAM.
UM, IT'S BEEN A PERFECT FIT FOR US FOR ALL THESE YEARS.
UM, YOU'VE SEEN OUR DATA AND OUR SCORES.
SO, YOU KNOW, THE SUCCESSES THAT WE'VE HAD SERVING A VERY DIVERSE POPULATION OF STUDENTS IN EAST SAN DIEGO COUNTY, AND PARTICULARLY IN EL CAJON.
WE'VE ALSO ADDED ANOTHER CAMPUS IN EL CAJON RIGHT DOWN THE STREET ON MAIN STREET HERE THAT SERVES K FIVE KIDS.
SO TO BE CLEAR, WE HAVE AK THREE CAMPUS ON MOLLISON AND WASHINGTON IN EL CAJON.
WE HAVE AK FIVE CAMPUS JUST DOWN THE ROAD, K FIVE STUDENTS.
AND THEN OUR JUNIOR ACADEMY OVER ON BRADLEY ENDS UP WHERE ALL OF OUR KIDS END UP THERE, 6, 7, 8 AT THAT CAMPUS THERE.
AND SO THIS HAS BEEN A REALLY PERFECT FIT FOR US TO HAVE, UM, 10 12 EAST BRADLEY SERVING FOURTH THROUGH EIGHTH GRADE STUDENTS IN EL CAJON.
SO IN EL CAJON, LITERACY FIRST HAS SERVED REALLY WELL WITH LOTS OF STUDENTS IN THIS AREA.
WE ARE EAGER TO CONTINUE THAT LEGACY, EDUCATING THE FUTURE AND BEING ABLE TO DO THAT.
AND THE JUNIOR ACADEMY IS A BIG PROPONENT, A BIG PART OF BEING ABLE TO DO THAT.
UM, SO I JUST APPRECIATE BEING ABLE TO BRING SOME OF THESE DETAILS TO YOU BECAUSE LITERACY FIRST IS ALL OVER EL CAJON AND IT'S A BIG PART OF, OF THE COMMUNITY HERE.
UM, MY COLLEAGUE, MR. STEVE ROBINSON, WHO IS OUR CHIEF BUSINESS OFFICER, ALSO HAS SOME COMMENTS.
UH, MY NAME'S STEVE ROBINSON, R-O-B-I-N-S-O-N.
UH, I'M THE CHIEF BUSINESS OFFICER FOR LITERACY FIRST CHARTER SCHOOLS.
UH, WE ARE ASKING TONIGHT TO HAVE OUR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, UH, AMENDED TO ALLOW FOR AN INCREASE ENROLLMENT TO A MAXIMUM OF 620, UM, FOURTH THROUGH EIGHTH GRADE STUDENTS AT OUR JUNIOR ACADEMY CAMPUS AT 1 0 1 2 EAST BRADLEY AVENUE.
UH, SINCE WE'VE OPENED THAT CAMPUS IN 2004, AS MRS. BYER DESCRIBED, UH, OUR ENROLLMENT HAS STEADILY INCREASED DUE TO, DUE TO THE DEMAND OF OUR QUALITY EDUCATIONAL PROGRAM AND UNDER THE OVERSIGHT AND AUTHORITY AND APPROVAL OF THE SAN DIEGO COUNTY OFFICE OF EDUCATION, WHO IS OUR, UH, SERVES AS OUR AUTHORIZER FOR OUR CHARTER.
UM, OUR CURRENT ENROLLMENT THERE IS 608.
UH, AND SINCE WE'VE BEEN THERE, WE'VE BEEN COMMITTED TO BEING GOOD NEIGHBORS AND THAT COMMITMENT CONTINUES.
UM, DURING THE PROCESS TO GET TO THE HEARING TONIGHT, WE'VE WORKED CLOSELY WITH STAFF AND OUR NEIGHBORS TO HEAR AND ADDRESS ALL THEIR CONCERNS.
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AND, UH, I THINK WE'VE DONE THAT.UM, THIS FALL WE COMMISSIONED A TRAFFIC STUDY.
UH, LIKE WE SAID, THE TRAFFIC ENGINEERS, UM, DECIDED THAT BASED ON THE QUALITY OF OUR QUEUING PROCESSES THAT ARE IN PLACE, UM, ACCORDING TO THAT TRAFFIC STUDY, THAT TRAFFIC IS EFFECTIVELY MITIGATED ON BRADLEY.
UM, BASED ON THAT PROJECTED NUMBER OF SIX 20 AND OUR ACTUAL NUMBER THIS YEAR OF 6 0 8, UH, WE ARE COMMITTED TO PUTTING IN THAT TURN LANE AND WORKING WITH THE COUNTY TO GET THAT DONE.
UM, WE ALSO, THIS FALL HAD AN OPEN HOUSE FOR OUR NEIGHBORS, INVITED THE NEIGHBORS TO COME TO OUR CAMPUS.
WE MET WITH THEM, SHARED OUR STORY AND OUR MISSION, OUR VISION, OUR VALUES, OUR EDUCATIONAL PROGRAM, AND LISTENED TO THEIR COMMENTS AND CONCERNS AND RECOMMENDATIONS.
UH, AS WAS MENTIONED, ONE RECOMMENDATION WAS TO EXTEND AN EXISTING TWO FOOT BLOCK WALL ON THE EAST BOUNDARY OF OUR CAMPUS.
UM, AND SO WE'RE COMMITTED TO DOING THAT.
WE HAVE A DESIGN FOR THAT, UH, THAT MIMICS, UH, A STANDING VINYL FENCE THAT A NEIGHBOR HAS SO WE CAN KEEP THE AESTHETIC ON THAT SIDE OF THE PROPERTY AND HELP MITIGATE THE NOISE.
UH, WE APPRECIATE THE, THE LENIENCY TO BE ABLE TO, TO MAKE THAT EIGHT FEET WITHOUT HAVING TO COME BACK.
THAT WILL EASE THE CONSTRUCTION PROCESS.
UM, ANOTHER RECOMMENDATION WAS THE SCHOOL SIGNAGE ON BRADLEY.
A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO WE WORKED WITH THE CITY, UM, TO PUT SCHOOL SIGNS UP ON BRADLEY EAST AND WESTBOUND.
UM, THEY ARE NOT ALL THAT VISIBLE, AND SO WE'D CERTAINLY BE IN SUPPORT OF ANY EFFORTS, UH, THE CITY COULD MAKE TO MAKE THOSE MORE VISIBLE, TO HELP SLOW DOWN THAT THROUGH TRAFFIC, THROUGH BRADLEY, ESPECIALLY DURING SCHOOL HOURS.
UM, WE ARE, UH, VERY GRATEFUL FOR STAFF'S, UH, POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THIS AMENDMENT.
WE'RE GRATEFUL FOR ALL THE MEMBERS OF OUR LITERACY FIRST FAMILY WHO ARE HERE TONIGHT IN SUPPORT OF THIS AMENDMENT.
UH, AND MRS. BYER AND I ARE HERE TO ANSWER ANY OF YOUR QUESTIONS.
UM, I KNOW WE'RE PROJECTING AND I KNOW I, I DON'T WANT TO PUT YOU IN A BAD POSITION.
I JUST DON'T WANT TO KEEP COMING BACK, YOU KNOW, IS IT GONNA BE 710, 700? SO AT SOME POINT, YOU KNOW, THE IMPACT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD YEAH.
IS GONNA BE FELT BY THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
I WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT? SO SIX 20 IS THE MAX.
WE ARE COMMITTED TO CAMPUSES THAT ARE SMALL.
UM, MOST OF OUR CAMPUSES ARE NOT BIGGER THAN 500, AND WE DO THAT VERY INTENTIONALLY.
PART OF OUR CHARTER IS THAT EVERY STUDENT IS KNOWN AND ONCE YOU GET, YOU KNOW, ABOVE FIVE OR 600, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T KNOW THE STUDENTS ANYMORE.
AND THE WORD THAT, THAT WOULD VIOLATE OUR CHARTER.
UM, MY WIFE IS THE VICE PRINCIPAL ON THAT SITE.
I HEAR DAILY THE CHALLENGES OF HAVING THAT MANY STUDENTS.
UH, AND SO WE ARE NOT INTERESTED IN, IN, IN GETTING THAT CAMPUS ANY BIGGER.
DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER SPEAKER CARDS? THANK YOU.
ANY OTHER SPEAKER CARDS? YES, WE HAVE ONE MORE.
MY NAME'S DAWN DAWN MITCHELL RESIDE AT 9 8 6 PEPPER VILLA COURT.
NO, CAJON, I SUPPORT THE PROJECT.
ONE IS THE INTERSECTING STREETS, UH, PEPPER V DRIVE AND WOODMAN COURT ON BRADLEY.
THE, UH, MORNING AND AFTERNOON TRAFFIC, THEY BLOCK THE INTERSECTIONS.
SO I WAS WONDERING IF IT'D BE POSSIBLE TO HAVE THOSE INTERSECTION PAINTED DO NOT BLOCK INTERSECTION, UM, WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO MAKE A LEFT TURNOUT OR INTO THE PROJECT AND THE CARS ARE ALL STACKED UP AND EVENTUALLY, I KNOW THE COUNTY IS PLANNING TO, UH, WIDEN, UH, BRADLEY IN THAT AREA AND ADDING A TRAFFIC SIGNAL AT MALLS AND, AND BRADLEY.
AND ONE OF MY SUGGESTIONS TO THE, UM, CITY ENGINEER AT THAT POINT IS THE SIGNAL IS SET UP THAT IT WOULD BE EACH, UM, NORTH, SOUTH, EAST, WEST WOULD BE GOING AT THE SAME TIME.
AND THEN LEFT TURN POCKETS WOULD BE PHASED.
UH, MY RECOMMENDATION I'M A CIVIL ENGINEER WOULD BE TO MAKE THAT A PHASE SIGNAL SIGNAL SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU HAVE AT GREENFIELD AND JOHNSON, WHERE ONE ONE TRAFFIC GOES THROUGH LEFT TURN AND THROUGH AT THE SAME TIME.
THAT WOULD CLEAR THE INTERSECTION OUT A LOT CLICK LOT QUICKER THAN HAVING DUAL LEFT TURNS COMING OUT AND WAITING FOR THAT SIGNAL CHANGE FOR PEOPLE TO GO STRAIGHT THROUGH OR MAKE A RIGHT.
SO THAT'S, LIKE I SAID, I'M SUPPORT OF THE PROJECT.
I'D REALLY LIKE TO SEE THE INTERSECTIONS, UH, MARKED.
SO YOU, YOU LIVE N NEAR THEM AND YOU'RE, YOU'RE IN SUPPORT OF THIS? YEAH.
I, I LIVE ON PEPPER V COURT, WHICH IS OFF OF PEPPER V.
SO YOU WOULD BE IMPACTED BY, AND YOU, YOU'RE IN SUPPORT OF IT, AND YOUR RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO POSSIBLY JUST MAYBE SOME MARKINGS ON THE STREET TO TO YEAH.
WHEN YOU UNBLOCK SOME OF THE YEAH, WHEN, LIKE IN THE MORNING WHEN, OR IN THE AFTERNOON WHEN I'M TRYING TO GET TO MY HOUSE, I USUALLY JUST AVOID THAT THING BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE, ARE BACK THROUGH THEIR SECTION, FAMILIAR WITH.
AND IF I CAN JUST MAKE A, A FREE LEFT TURN DOWN MY STREET THAT I'M FINE WITH THAT.
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I HAVE TO GO DOWN MALLS AND GO DOWN TO PEPPER AND, AND SWING BACK IN.ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? DID YOU GET THOSE NOTES ON THE, UH, DEAL? OKAY.
NO OTHER SPEAKER CARDS? NOT FOR THIS ITEM, NO.
WELL THEN THIS TIME DO I, UH, HEAR A MOTION MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING? I HIT YES.
INSTEAD OF MICROPHONE
MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER SERCO, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER EDISON.
WELL, GIVEN THAT THE ADDITIONAL 12 STUDENTS MIGHT REPRESENT FOUR MORE CARS, UM, I THINK THIS IS A COMMON SENSE.
I THINK THIS IS 10 YEARS OVERDUE TO UPGRADE THE SIZE OF THEIR CUP.
UH, THE LEFT TURN LANE WILL HELP WITH STACKING AND HELP DIFFERENTIATE TRAFFIC IF PEOPLE PAY ATTENTION TO THAT SORT OF THING ANYMORE.
UM, I DO LIKE THE IDEA OF THE DO NOT BLOCK SPACES ACROSS THE OTHER STREETS DOWN BRADLEY.
UM, WE HAVE SIMILAR ISSUES OF RED SHADOW MOUNTAIN, WHERE DURING SCHOOL TRAFFIC HOURS THERE ARE LINES GOING LIKE CRAZY.
AND IT'S ESPECIALLY BAD WHEN GRANITE HILLS AND CHRISTIAN HIGH GET OUT AT THE SAME TIME.
BUT, UH, I THINK THIS IS A VERY GOOD PLAN.
THEY'VE ALREADY GOT A GOOD TRAFFIC PLAN IN PLACE.
I THINK THAT BY ALL APPEARANCES, THEY'RE TRYING TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR.
THEY'RE TRYING TO DO WHAT IT TAKES TO MAKE LESS OF AN IMPACT ON THE COMMUNITY.
UM, THE FACT THAT WE HAVE A, SOMEBODY THAT LIVES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD BE IN SUPPORT OF IT, I THINK IT SPEAKS VOLUMES TO WHAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING THERE.
I WOULD SAY THAT YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE DO NOT BLOCK SHOULD BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION BECAUSE I'VE DRIVEN DOWN THAT AND I'VE SEEN WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
BUT I DO SUPPORT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR DO I HAVE A MOTION? I'M, I'M MOTION TO MOVE TO ADOPT THE NEXT RESOLUTION IN ORDER APPROVING THE DETERMINATION THREE SEVEN SUBJECT CONDITIONS, CONSIDERING YOU DO NOT AND YOUR MIC ON.
OH, OF COURSE IT'S NOT, BECAUSE I THINK, AND NOW WE CAN HEAR, NOW WE CAN HEAR ME.
I HEARD AND I SECONDED INTO THE MIC.
I, DUE TO ALL THE COMMENTS THAT WERE GIVEN, I MOVED TO ADOPT THE NEXT RESOLUTIONS IN ORDER OF, OF APPROVING THE CQA DETERMINATION AND CUP NUMBER 2 0 2 3 DASH 0 0 0 7 SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS OF THE DO NOT BLOCK THAT WAS MENTIONED EARLIER.
MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER PAUL RU, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER EDISON.
MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.
AND THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU'RE DOING IN THE COMMUNITY.
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ITEM NUMBER THREE.PROJECT NAME IS G AND M AUTOMOTIVE FUELING STATION.
IT IS REBUILDING AN EXISTING GAS STATION.
IT IS CA EXEMPT AND STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS ARE TO APPROVE.
UH, SABLE BELTRAN, OUR ASSISTANT PLANNER, UH, WILL BE PRESENTING ON THIS ITEM.
AND IF YOU JUST HAVE, UH, MAYBE 30 SECONDS WHILE THE CHAMBER'S CLEAR.
UH, MY NAME IS SABLE BELTRAN AND I'M AN ASSISTANT PLANNER WITH THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT.
THE ITEM BEFORE YOU IS A REQUEST FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR THE RENOVATION AND EXPANSION OF A GAS STATION AT 3 98 EL CAJON BOULEVARD.
AS SUBMITTED BY TRAVIS COMPANY'S INC.
ON BEHALF OF G AND M OIL COMPANY.
THE SITE IS LOCATED ON THE WEST SIDE OF EL CAJON BOULEVARD BETWEEN PALM AVENUE AND SOUTH JOHNSON AVENUE, WITH THE BOUNDARY FOR THE SITE SHOWN IN WHITE.
THE ADJACENT USES INCLUDE CONTRACT CONSTRUCTION SERVICES TO THE NORTH, A USED CAR DEALERSHIP TO THE EAST, A VACANT USED CAR DEALERSHIP TO THE SOUTH, AND A RELIGIOUS FACILITY TO THE WEST.
THE SITE IS APPROXIMATELY HALF AN ACRE IN SIZE AND INCLUDES A 1000 SQUARE FOOT CONVENIENCE MARKET AND A
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1500 SQUARE FOOT CANOPY WITH FOUR FUEL DISPENSERS.CURRENTLY AS SEEN FROM EL CAJON BOULEVARD.
THERE IS LIMITED LANDSCAPING AND NO TRASH ENCLOSURE AT THE SITE.
THE GENERAL PLAN LAND USE DESIGNATION IS HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL.
THE SITE HAS A CORRESPONDING ZONE OF RMHR, WHICH IS THE HIGHEST DENSITY RESIDENTIAL CATEGORY.
A GAS STATION WAS BUILT AT THE SITE IN 1967 IN A COMMERCIAL ZONE.
AND IN 1974, A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT WAS APPROVED, BRINGING THE SITE INTO CONFORMANCE WITH THE MOTOR VEHICLE SERVICE STATION ORDINANCE.
THE ZONING FOR THE SITE WAS THEN CHANGED FROM THE GENERAL COMMERCIAL ZONE TO RMHR UPON APPROVAL OF THE TRANSIT DISTRICT SPECIFIC PLANT.
AND THE USE OF THE SITE AS A GAS STATION HAS CONTINUED.
THE CURRENT REQUEST HAS BEEN PROCESSED AS A RENOVATION OF A NON-CONFORMING USE DUE TO THE CHANGE FROM COMMERCIAL ZONING TO RESIDENTIAL ZONING WITHIN THE TRANSIT DISTRICT SPECIFIC PLAN AREA.
THE PROJECT PROPOSES RENOVATING AND EXPANDING THE GAS STATION BY ESTABLISHING A NEW CONVENIENCE MARKET, NEARLY DOUBLING IN SIZE AND A NEW CANOPY WITH THREE FUEL DISPENSERS.
THE EXPANDED MARKET WILL PROVIDE NEW RETAIL OFFERINGS TO THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE SITE WILL BE IMPROVED WITH SIGNIFICANT ADDITIONS TO THE LANDSCAPING, A NEW CODE COMPLIANT TRASH ENCLOSURE AND REVISIONS TO THE DRIVEWAYS TO ALIGN WITH ADJACENT PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS.
DUE TO THE SITE'S PROXIMITY TO THE TRANSIT CENTER ASSEMBLY, BILL 2097 EXEMPTS THE SITE FROM PROVIDING PARKING.
HOWEVER, THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED FIVE SPACES.
THE CONVENIENCE MARKET WILL FEATURE STUCCO AND STONE VENEER FINISHES AND ALUMINUM STOREFRONT SYSTEM AND BRONZE COLORED ALUMINUM AWNINGS.
THE REAR OF THE BUILDING IS CONCRETE MASONRY PAINTED TO MATCH THE TAN COLORS ALONG THE FACADE.
THE CANOPY WILL BE FINISHED WITH A STONE VENEER AND STUCCO CONSISTENT WITH THE CONVENIENCE MARKET AND COVERS THREE FUEL DISPENSERS.
THE OVERALL SITE DESIGN COMPLIES WITH THE TDSP GUIDELINES BY INCLUDING A VARIETY OF MATERIALS, TRANSPARENT WINDOWS ORIENTED TOWARDS THE STREET AND COMPLIMENTARY AWNINGS.
ALTHOUGH THE BUILDING IS NOT LOCATED ADJACENT TO THE SIDEWALK, NEW LANDSCAPING IS CURRENTLY PROPOSED WHERE NONE EXISTED BEFORE TO BUFFER THE PEDESTRIAN REALM FROM AUTOMOBILE MANEUVERING AREAS.
FURTHERMORE, THE MARKET OBSERVES A 10 FOOT SETBACK FROM THE ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL ZONE PROPERTIES AND THE EXISTING CONCRETE MASONRY WALLS ALONG THE NORTH AND WEST PROPERTY LINES WILL REMAIN.
ALTHOUGH IT IS NOT A PART OF THE PROJECT.
THE EL CAJON STREET SCAPE STREET IMPROVEMENT PROJECT IS PROPOSED ADJACENT TO THE SITE AND INCLUDES INSTALLING A SINGLE LANE TRAFFIC, ROUNDABOUT NEW DECORATIVE CONCRETE SIDEWALKS, CROSSWALKS, TREES, AND LANDSCAPING.
THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED REMOVING ONE OF THE EXISTING DRIVEWAYS ON ELCON BOULEVARD AND ALIGNING THE REMAINING THREE TO COMPLY WITH THE APPROVED PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT PLANS.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION MUST MAKE THE FOLLOWING FINDINGS TO EXPAND A PREVIOUSLY CONFORMING USE IN LIEU OF THESE STANDARD CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FINDINGS.
ZONING CODE CHAPTER 17 1 20 ACKNOWLEDGES THAT PREVIOUSLY CONFORMING USES WILL CONTINUE TO EXIST AND OPERATE SUCCESSFULLY.
THE EXISTING AUTOMOTIVE FUELING STATION IS OUTDATED AND PROHIBITION ON MODERNIZATION WOULD RESULT IN UNNECESSARY HARDSHIP.
THE SITE HAS HISTORICALLY OPERATED AS A FUELING STATION AND THEREFORE WILL NOT COST DETRIMENT TO PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY, OR WELFARE PROPOSED CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL FURTHER ENSURE THIS AND THE PROJECT WILL CONTRIBUTE TO AN ENHANCED PUBLIC REALM ALONG EL CAJON BOULEVARD IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE STREETS SCAPE STREET IMPROVEMENT PROJECT IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ACT.
STAFF DETERMINED THAT THE PROJECT IS CATEGORICALLY EXEMPT FROM CQA ACCORDING TO SECTION 15 3 0 3, CLASS THREE OF THE CA GUIDELINES, WHICH INCLUDES AN EXEMPTION FOR COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS NOT EXCEEDING 10,000 SQUARE FEET.
STAFF, THEREFORE RECOMMEND THAT PLANNING COMMISSION ADOPT THE RESOLUTIONS TO APPROVE THE CA EXEMPTION AND CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT NUMBER 20 23 0 0 0 2 SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS.
THIS CONCLUDES STAFF'S REPORT AND WE'RE AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? UM, SO THE REALIGNMENT OF THE DRIVEWAYS IS TAKING PLACE BEFORE THE CITY PROJECT GETS COMPLETED.
IS THAT WHAT I UNDERSTOOD? I I'M, I'M TRYING TO LOOK
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AT, THERE'S TWO PROJECTS GOING ON AND WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT AS THE PROJECT SITE DRIVEWAYS OPEN UP, THEY'RE OPENING UP ONTO ELKO BOULEVARD PROPERLY AS IT IS IN ADDITION TO, AS IT WILL BE, THE APPLICANT WORKED WITH STAFF DURING THE REVIEW PROCESS TO ALIGN THE DRIVEWAYS WITH THE STREETSCAPE IMPROVEMENT PROJECT.UM, AND ALTHOUGH THAT IS ONGOING, UM, AND THEIR CONSTRUCTION WILL LIKELY OCCUR AFTERWARD, THEY SHOULD ALIGN WITH ONE ANOTHER.
UH, WHICH ONE'S COMING AFTER, UM, THE CONSTRUCTION AT THE SITE.
SO THE, THE ELON ROUNDABOUT IS GOING IN BEFORE THIS SITE GETS UPDATED, BUT WE ARE WORKING WITH THEM.
COMMISSIONER EDISON, IN REGARDS TO THE ROUNDABOUT, WE'VE SEEN IT'S TAKEN A QUITE A BIT OF TIME FOR THE INITIAL ONE THAT'S ON EL CAJON BOULEVARD.
IS THERE A TIMEFRAME AND HOW LONG IT WOULD TAKE FOR THIS ROUNDABOUT TO GET DONE? 'CAUSE IT, WE ACTUALLY, UM, AT A PREVIOUS PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, THE PLANNING COMMISSION ASKED FOR AN UPDATE ON THE ROUNDABOUT, UH, CONSTRUCTION TIMELINE.
UM, AND WE ACTUALLY HAVE THAT, UH, PREPARED FOR THIS EVENING UNDER STAFF COMMUNICATIONS.
UH, SO IS MARIO SANCHEZ, IS THAT BE WITH BOTH OF THESE? IS IS THAT, IS THAT CONNECTED? THESE PROJECTS ARE NOT CONNECTED.
SO THE PROPOSED GAS STATION MODIFICATIONS AND EXPANSION ARE PRIVATELY INITIATED.
UM, WHAT THEY'VE DONE THOUGH IS, UH, WORK CLOSELY WITH STAFF TO COORDINATE THEIR, UH, PRIVATE IMPROVEMENTS WITH THE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS THAT THE CITY IS ALREADY CONSTRUCTING AT THIS TIME.
AND THEN, UH, AS WE SAID, WE, UH, WE'LL GIVE YOU, UM, A MORE DETAILED PRESENTATION ON THE ROUNDABOUT LATER.
ANY STAFF COMMUNIC OR SPEAKER CARD? EXCUSE ME.
CARL HOY, HONORABLE CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
MY NAME IS CARL HOY, HUY, CARL WITH AKI AM WITH TRAVIS COMPANIES.
WE ARE THE APPLICANT ON THIS PROJECT AND ALSO A REPRESENTATIVE OF G AND M OR REPRESENTATIVE, REPRESENTATIVE FOR G AND M OIL, THE CURRENT LANDOWNER, PROPERTY OWNER AND PROJECT OPERATOR WHO WILL ALSO BE THE PROPERTY OWNER AND PROJECT, UH, UH, OPERATOR FOR THIS PROJECT.
SHOULD YOU APPROVE OUR PROJECT THIS EVENING, WE HAVE HAD, UH, THE OPPORTUNITY AND THE PLEASURE TO WORK WITH VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS HERE AT THE CITY.
UM, SPECIFICALLY ALSO THE PLANNING STAFF TO PUT THIS PROJECT TO, UH, FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
THE PROJECT YOU SEE TO YOU TONIGHT IS NOT OUR INITIAL PROJECT AND THAT IS THE RESULT OF US WORKING WITH VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS WITH THE CITY IN THE CITY TO COME UP WITH A PLAN THAT ALSO INCORPORATES THE ROUNDABOUT AND STREET IMPROVEMENT AND DRIVEWAY CONFIGURATIONS THAT ARE OCCURRING AND WILL OCCUR ALONG YOUR, UH, EL CAJON BOULEVARD.
YEAH, THE EL CAJON BOULEVARD STREETSCAPE IMPROVEMENT PROJECT.
WE HAVE RECEIVED A COPY OF THE STAFF REPORT, THE TWO RESOLUTIONS BEFORE YOU TONIGHT, ALONG WITH THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL.
WE HAVE REVIEWED THEM IN DETAIL AND WE ARE IN COMPLETE CONCURRENCE WITH THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS AND THE FINDINGS OF THE REPORT.
AND RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOUR APPROVAL OF THE PROJECT THIS EVENING.
I AM AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS SHOULD YOU HAVE ANY.
ANY OTHER SPEAKER CARDS? YES, PATRICK GRILL.
UM, CAN WE RESET THE CLOCK? OH, YES, SORRY.
UM, SO I AM HERE, UM, AS A RESIDENT OF CITY OF EL CAJON.
I LIVE ABOUT A MILE OR SO FROM THE PRO PROPOSED PROJECT SITE.
UM, AND I WANNA SPEAK ABOUT, UM, ITS COMPLIANCE, UH, WITH THE TRANSIT DISTRICT SPECIFIC PLAN THAT GOVERNS THE AREA.
UM, WHILE I APPRECIATE THE, UH, PRIVATE INVESTMENT, THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT THAT THIS BRINGS INTO AN AREA THAT WE'RE TRYING TO STIMULATE AS A CITY, UM, AND KINDA THE WESTERN PORTION OF THE CITY, UM, I THINK THIS PRESENTS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO REVIEW AND ASSESS THIS PROJECT'S DEVELOPMENT, UH, AND WHETHER IT MEETS THE GOALS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE WITH THE TRANSIT DISTRICT SPECIFIC PLAN, WHILE RESPECTING THE NEED AND THE APPROPRIATENESS TO ALLOW EXISTING BUSINESSES TO CONTINUE TO OPERATE, UM, AS THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO.
UH, WITH THAT SAID, UM, JUST TO KIND OF LEVEL SET THE GOALS OF THE, THE TDSP ARE TO, UH, AMONG THEM INCLUDE MAKING, UH, BUFFERS AND TRANSITIONS SUPPORTING PEDESTRIAN SAFETY,
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SUPPORTING POSITIVE STREET FRONTAGES, AND LAND USE INTERFACES.UH, THE TDSP IDENTIFIES THE AREA AS OVERLY AUTO ORIENTED WITH OPPORTUNITIES FOR IMPROVEMENTS, UH, FOR EXPERIENCES OF PEDESTRIANS AND CYCLISTS.
UM, I, I WOULD SUBMIT THAT A GAS STATION WITH I THINK THREE DRIVEWAY ENTRANCES IN A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME WITH A BUSY ROUNDABOUT, UH, INCREASES PEDESTRIAN, UH, RISK TO PEDESTRIAN AND CYCLISTS AND ALL ROAD USERS, UH, WITH A LOT OF IN AND OUT TRAFFIC.
UH, ADDITIONALLY, UH, THIS SITE, UH, PROPOSED PLAN DOES NOT, IT SITUATES THE PROPOSED NEW BUILDING STRUCTURE IN THE REAR OF THE SITE, FARTHEST FROM THE STREET FRONTAGES, UH, WHERE I THINK, UH, A SITE THAT MAYBE IS OFFERING EXPANDED, UH, CONVENIENCE STORE THINGS, YOU KNOW, EVEN SOME SMALL GROCERIES MAYBE IF THAT'S IN THEIR WORKS, WOULD BE A BENEFIT TO THE COMMUNITY.
I THINK IT'D BE BETTER IF THOSE ARE MORE SITUATED AT THE FRONT, UH, WITH PARKING AND THE GAS STATION PUMPS, UM, IN THE REAR TO THE SIDE SO THAT IT PRESENTS A BETTER, UH, USER EXPERIENCE AND, UH, PROMOTES, UH, BETTER STIMULATES THE AREA FOR FUTURE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AS WELL.
ADDITIONALLY, THIS I MENTIONED THE DRIVEWAYS HAVE DIFFERENT, MORE POINTS OF CONFLICT, UH, CREATED, I BELIEVE WITH THE ROUNDABOUT, UM, AND PEDESTRIANS WITH A LOTS OF THE IN AND OUT TRAFFIC.
I LIVE, UM, JUST ON THE STREET AND, AND WALK BY OFTEN AN AREA THAT HAS A GAS STATION.
THERE'S LOTS OF TRAFFIC COMING AND OUT.
MULTIPLE ENTRANCES MAKE THAT MORE LIKELY FOR ACCIDENTS OR FOR COLLISIONS, I SHOULD SAY.
UM, ALSO THE EIR, THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REVIEW, UH, FOR THE TDSP SPECIFICALLY IDENTIFIED, UH, REDEVELOPMENT OF FORMER GAS STATIONS REQUIRING SPECIAL CONSIDERATION IN PART DUE TO POTENTIAL FOR GROUND, GROUND CONTAMINATION AND OTHER, UM, CONSIDERATIONS.
SO I THINK THAT THIS WARRANTS ADDITIONAL REVIEW AND SCRUTINY, UM, NOT TO DENY IT BECAUSE AGAIN, IT IS AN EXISTING BUSINESS AND USE THAT WE HAVE TO RESPECT, UM, AND WE WANT TO, UH, TO CONTINUE THOSE DEVELOPMENTS.
BUT I THINK IT PRESENTS AN OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, MODIFY THE CUP TO MAKE THE, UH, THE BUILDING BETTER MATCH WITH THE TDSP AND ITS GOALS.
ANY OTHER, UH, SPEAKER CARDS? NO, THAT WAS IT.
I MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING.
MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER ROSE, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER SERCO.
MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.
WELL, DEFINITELY AN IMPROVEMENT.
YOU KNOW, IT'LL BE INTERESTING TO SEE HOW THAT ROUNDABOUT SHAKES EVERYTHING OUT TOO.
IT'S INTERESTING TO LOOK AT THE DEVELOPMENT OF ALCON BOULEVARD THROUGH THE YEARS AND SEE HOW IT USED TO BE INTER OR STATE ROUTE 80 AND THEN EARLY INTERSTATE EIGHT AND NOW IS A BYPASS AND THE MAIN ENTRANCE INTO ELCON.
SO THE IMPROVEMENTS, ANY IMPROVEMENTS WE MAKE ON THE ELCON BOULEVARD STREET SIDE REFLECT OUR CITY.
SO I'M, I'M VERY HAPPY THAT WE'RE IMPROVING THE FUELING STATION AND, UH, PRESERVING A LITTLE BIT OF OUR HERITAGE IN ELCON TOO.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? IF NOT, DO I HAVE A MOTION? I, I THINK IT'S A GOOD PROJECT.
AND, UH, IT'S AN IMPROVEMENT AND, UH, IT'S BEEN THERE FOR A LONG, LONG TIME.
AND I, I REMEMBER WHEN, UH, THE ONLY WAY TO EL CAJON WAS EL CAJON BOULEVARD.
ALL THE WAY TO, UH, TO OUR EL CAJON BOULEVARD PARK.
BEFORE, UH, HIGHWAY 94 OR HIGHWAY EIGHT WAS THERE.
THAT'S, THAT'S A LONG TIME AGO.
SO, UH, IT HAS IMPROVED AND I THINK IT'S A GOOD PROJECT.
MR. EDISON, I GUESS I'M A LITTLE, I'M TRYING TO RECONCILE THE, THE STATION AND THE ROUNDABOUT.
SO I'M, AND I, AND I REALIZE YOU, YOU'VE SAID IT, IT'S TWO DIFFERENT, IT'S TWO DIFFERENT, UM, PROJECTS.
BUT THE IMPACT IS, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE A LITTLE BIT MORE MAJOR SURGERY THAN WE THINK.
AS WE'VE SEEN WITH THE FIRST ROUNDABOUT, IT'S NOT EVEN DONE.
SO I, AND I KNOW YOU, YOU SAID LET'S TABLE THAT TILL A LITTLE BIT LATER.
THAT'S WHY I'M HAVING A HARD TIME WITH THIS VOTE BECAUSE I'M, I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHICH ONE IS IMPACTING MORE
COMMISSIONER REED, I'LL TURN MY MIC ON.
UM, I DID LOOK AT THE DRAWINGS AND IT DID LOOK, I MEAN, I LIVE UP WHERE THERE'S A ROUNDABOUT.
I DEAL WITH ROUNDABOUTS ALL THE TIME.
SO FOR ME IT'S JUST ANOTHER DAY IN THE PARK.
BUT THE WAY THEY HAD THE ENTRANCES, I MEAN, THEY WORK WITH STAFF AND THEY, THEY FLOW REALLY WELL WITH WHAT'S HERE.
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AND THEY ONLY REALLY HAVE TWO THAT ARE ON EL CAJON BOULEVARD.SO I THINK IT'S A NICE IN, IN AND OUT OF THE PROPERTY.
AND THE ROUNDABOUTS FLOW PRETTY WELL, AS LONG AS YOU DON'T HAVE THAT OCCASIONAL PERSON WHO DOESN'T KNOW HOW TO OPERATE ONE.
BUT FROM THE DRYING THEY HAVE HERE, IT LOOKS, IT HAS A NICE FLOW.
SO HOPEFULLY THE DRAWING THAT YOU HAVE THAT COMES UP CAN KIND OF SHOW YEAH.
HOW IT FLOWS WITH THE GAS STATION.
SO I THINK IT'S, IT'S A GREAT, UM, AND I, I APPRECIATE THAT THEY WORK WITH STAFF ON THIS TO MAKE SURE IT, IT DOES WORK PROPERLY.
'CAUSE I'M SURE IT COSTS MONEY TO REDO PLANS TO MAKE THINGS WORK.
SO I APPRECIATE THEY DID THAT.
I'LL SAY MY, ASIDE FROM MY EXPERIENCE WITH THE ROUNDABOUT AT THE TOP OF MAIN STREET, MY FIRST EXPERIENCE WITH THE ROUNDABOUT WAS ACTUALLY NORTHERN CALIFORNIA ON THE 1 0 1 HIGHWAY, WHICH AT THAT POINT WAS A, ALMOST A FREEWAY, BUT ONE LANE, BOTH DIRECTIONS.
VERY FEW INTERSECTIONS AT ALL.
AND THERE WAS AN INTERSECTION WITH ANOTHER FREEWAY OR HIGHWAY IN THE LAKE AREA.
I FORGET BLUE LAKE OR CLEAR LAKE, I STILL CAN'T TELL THEM APART.
BUT BETWEEN THE LAKES, THERE'S A HIGHWAY THAT SHOOTS OFF FROM IT.
AND IT USED TO BE A SIGNAL AND THERE WAS A GAS STATION AT THE SIGNAL, AND IT WAS ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO GET INTO THE GAS STATION WITH THE SIGNAL, UNLESS YOU'RE COMING SOUTH, BECAUSE IF YOU'RE COMING SOUTH, YOU'RE ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE FREEWAY.
BUT THEY PUT IN THE ROUNDABOUT RIGHT THERE AT THE GAS STATION, AND NOW THERE'S THREE WAYS INTO THE GAS STATION, AND IT'S TRAVELING AT A MUCH SLOWER RATE WITHOUT STOPPING MOST OF THE TIME.
SO I THINK THE ROUNDABOUT ACTUALLY MAKES IT EASIER FOR THE GAS STATION ACCESS WHEN THE TWO OF THEM GET COMPLETE.
IT'S NOT THE ROUNDABOUT USE OF THE ROUNDABOUT, IT'S THE BUILDING IT IN THE FIRST PLACE.
AND THAT'S THE ISSUE THAT I'M SEEING.
AND, AND THAT'S WHY I'M TRYING TO KEEP THEM SEPARATE AT THE SAME TIME AT IT'S, IT'S TOUGH BECAUSE THE IMPACT OF THE COMMUNITY I, I DRIVE PAST THERE, IT'S CHALLENGING IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA.
AND I JUST WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT KIND OF A TIMEFRAME THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT FOR THE ROUNDABOUT TO BE COMPLETED.
I MEAN, THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS GONNA BE IMPACTED SIGNIFICANTLY AS WE'VE SEEN.
WELL, WE'LL GET, WE'LL GET TO THAT WITH, UH, OUR STAFF COMMUNICATION.
BUT AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE TO SEE IF WE HAVE A MOTION FOR THIS AGENDA ITEM.
UH, I MOVE TO ADOPT THE NEXT RESOLUTION IN ORDER APPROVING THE CA DETERMINATION AND THE CUP NUMBER 2023 DASH 0 0 2 SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS.
MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER SOLE, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER P*****K.
MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.
SEEING THAT THERE IS NO MORE AGENDA ITEMS, WE PROBABLY SHOULD GET TO
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THE STAFF COMMUNICATION.SOUNDS LIKE WE HAVE, UH, SOME QUESTIONS THAT WE'D LIKE TO SEE ANSWERED.
I NOTICED, UH, THE CHAIRMAN'S NAME IS NOT UP THERE.
IS THAT, IS IT? I'M NOT SEEING RIGHT WHEN WE VOTE? NO, IT'S THERE.
YOUR NAME IS UP THERE ON THE SCREEN.
OH, I DIDN'T SEE, I HAVE AN IDEA.
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THAT'S IT.OH, I GOT THE SAME, UH, BACKGROUND IN MY COMPUTER.
GOT TWO SCREENS OUT, BUT THAT'S, OH, THAT'S WEIRD.
I'VE GOTTA DO, UM, IT WAS BIZARRE.
I GOTTA GO INTO SETTINGS NOT HAVING, IT'S RIGHT THERE, BUT I DO DISPLAY, DISPLAY SETTINGS.
GO THERE, IDENTIFY, IT LOOKS LIKE YOU CURRENTLY HAVE YOUR DESKTOP SET TO EXTEND.
SO, UM, NOAH ASKED ME TO, TO GIVE A, JUST A SMALL PRESENTATION ON OUR SMART GROWTH PROJECTS HERE IN, IN THE DOWNTOWN, UH, TRANSIT DISTRICT, SPECIFIC PLANT AREA.
AND THEN THE FIRST TWO PROJECTS ARE THE, THE TWO MAIN PROJECTS THAT ARE UNDER CONSTRUCTION IS THE ROUNDABOUT, ALSO KNOWN AS THE ELK HOME BOULEVARD STREETSCAPE PROJECT.
AND IT'S ABOUT A $7 MILLION CONSTRUCTION PROJECT.
AND I'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT.
AND THEN THE OTHER PROJECT THAT'S GOING UNDER CONSTRUCTION, IT'S ON, UH, IT'S CALLED MAIN STREET, GREEN STREET, PHASE ONE GATEWAY.
AND THAT'S ON, UH, FEED DRIVE, UH, WEST MAIN, RIGHT AT JOHNSON AVENUE.
RIGHT NOW, THEY'RE PUSHING OUT THE, THE CURB PHASE, UH, AND THEN I'LL, I'LL TALK MORE IN DETAIL ABOUT THAT.
SO WHAT STARTED THESE PROJECTS, UH, IS EARLY ON, BEFORE, PRIOR TO 2018, PROBABLY 2016, UM, THE CITY RECEIVED A GRANT THROUGH SANDAG, THROUGH THE SMART GROWTH AREAS.
AND WITH THAT GRANT, THEY, UH, REV, UH, DETERMINED THE SPECIFIC PLAN AREA.
AND IT'S CALLED THE TRANSIT DISTRICT, UH, SPECIFIC PLAN THAT WAS ADOPTED IN MAY, 2018.
THOSE DATES ARE CORRECT RIGHT NOW.
AND THEN, UH, IT'S BASICALLY A LAND USE PROGRAM AND DESIGN GUIDELINES FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT IN THE TDSP.
AND IT'S BASICALLY, WE REZONED BY 260 ACRES WITHIN THE TRANSIT DISTRICT AREA.
SO SANDAG IN THE SMART GROWTH AREAS, UM, HAS FUNDING AVAILABLE.
AND IT'S BY COMPETITION THROUGHOUT ALL THE SMART GROWTH, SMART GROWTH AREAS IN SAN DIEGO COUNTY.
SO WHEN WE GOT THESE PROJECTS, UH, IT WAS COMPETITIVE.
WE, THERE WASN'T JUST HANDED TO US.
SO, SO THE, THE INTENT OR THE GOAL OF THIS TDSP IS TO INCREASE HOUSING AS YOU, AS YOU KNOW, AND IMPROVE MOBILITY TO ALL, UH, MODES OF TRANSPORTATION, INCLUDING PEDESTRIAN BICYCLISTS AND, AND MOTORISTS AND, AND TO TRANSIT AS WELL.
UM, BEING CLOSE TO THE TROLLEY STATION, WHICH IS MAJOR, MAJOR HUB.
SO, AND ALSO WITH THAT, WE WANNA MAKE THAT WHOLE AREA SUSTAINABLE THROUGH OUR URBAN GREENING FORESTRY AND, AND, UH, STORMWATER TREATMENTS AND SO FORTH.
SO THAT'S THE, IT'S KIND OF THE START OR THE, OUR FOOTPRINT, OUR PLAN FOR, UH, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS
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WITHIN THE TDSP.SO, AS I MENTIONED, UM, WE, WE RECEIVED A GRANT, UH, PROBABLY ABOUT FOUR YEARS AGO NOW, OR FIVE YEARS AGO NOW, UH, THROUGH SANDAG, UM, THROUGH THE SMART GROWTH, UH, UM, UM, FUNDING.
AND THAT'S A PORTION OF, UH, TRANSNET IS, TRANSNET IS OUR SALES TAX FOR THE COUNTY.
IT'S BEEN IN, UH, SINCE INCEPTION.
I THINK 2004 IS UPDATED IN 2008.
SO, AND IT'S, AND IT'LL EXPIRED IN ABOUT 50 YEARS.
AND THAT'S WHEN THE VOTERS AGAIN, UH, APPROVE OR, UH, ANOTHER, UH, SALES TAX.
BUT, UH, A PORTION OF THE DOLLARS ARE SET ASIDE FOR, UH, SMART GROWTH PROJECTS.
SO, UM, FOR THE TWO PROJECTS THAT I JUST MENTIONED, WE, WE WERE AWARDED $5 MILLION FOR CONSTRUCTION, AND IT WAS PART OF THE PROGRAM CYCLE NUMBER FOUR OF THE, THE SMART GROWTH AND STANDARD PROGRAM.
AND WE ALSO SECURED FUNDING THROUGH, UH, THE SAN DIEGO RIVER CONSERVANCY, ANOTHER 500,000 AS FAR AS AS PART AS THE PROP 68, WHICH IS A SU SUSTAINABLE PROJECT OR A STATEWIDE PROJECT FOR, UM, UH, WATER CONSERVATION AND CLIMATE, UH, ACTION, UH, INITIATIVES.
SO THIS IS THE PROJECT WE'RE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY, ELK HOME BOULEVARD AND JOHNSON AVENUE.
A AS YOU KNOW, IT USED TO BE A TRAFFIC SIGNAL THERE.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, IT WAS MY ROLE AS A CITY TRAFFIC ENGINEER AT THE TIME.
WE, WE EXPERIENCED, UH, ANNUALLY PEOPLE RUNNING INTO OUR TRAFFIC TRAFFIC POLES, KNOCKING THEM DOWN AND BECAME REALLY EXPENSIVE.
UH, UH, THE, THIS, THIS PARTICULAR INTERSECTION, IT'S NOT, IT'S IN A FOUR-WAY INTERSECTION THAT IS SKEWED.
THERE'S BIG AREA BETWEEN THE, UH, THE STREETS.
AND SO THERE'S A LOT OF OPEN AREA WHERE, UH, MOTORISTS JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO, OR THEY'RE NOT, NOT OBEYING THE TRAFFIC LAWS AND, AND THEY RUN OFF THE ROAD OR, AND, UM, UH, AND CAUSE UH, THESE SEVERE ACCIDENTS.
SO, UH, SINCE 2015, WE KIND OF DOCUMENTED IT'S ABOUT 17 ENERGY RELATED ACCIDENTS.
SO WHEN WE LOOKED AT THIS PROJECT, WHEN THEY DID THE T-T-D-S-P, AND WE ENGAGED WITH THE PUBLIC, UM, AND, UH, WE IDENTIFIED, UM, UH, LOCATIONS WERE AROUND ABOUT AS VIABLE.
SO, UM, ELCON BOULEVARD WAS ONE OF 'EM.
UH, THERE WAS ANOTHER ONE AS MENTIONED AT, UM, UH, MAIN STREET IN DOUGLAS, AND THEN ELCON BOULEVARD AND WASHINGTON AND OTHER TREATMENTS TO, UH, REDUCE, UH, TRAFFIC CALMING AND OR ACTUALLY REDUCE SPEEDING TRAFFIC CALMING AND ENCOURAGE, UH, UH, CYCLISTS AND PEDESTRIANS TO USE, UH, THIS WHOLE AREA TO, TO ACCESS, UH, YOU KNOW, TRANSIT TO GET TO THEIR, UH, DESTINATION.
SO THIS IS THE ROUNDABOUT THAT WE TALKED ABOUT, UH, S TALKED ABOUT THE, THE G AND M OIL, UH, PROJECT, AND THAT'S RIGHT THERE AT THE, THE TOP PART OF THE, THE DIAGRAM THERE.
AND, UM, WE'RE, WE'RE IN CONSTRUCTION NOW WITH THAT PROJECT, AND I'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT IN THE NEXT COUPLE SLIDES.
BUT THE INTENT OF THIS WAS TO, YOU KNOW, UH, BEAUTIFY THE AREA, UM, UH, MAKE IT SAFER FOR, UH, FOR VEHICLES TOO.
'CAUSE, UH, WHEN YOU ENTER A ROUNDABOUT, YOU'RE GONNA GO IN ABOUT 15, 20 MILES PER HOUR.
SO THE TYPE OF ACCIDENTS ARE LOW IMPACT ACCIDENTS, NOT HIGH IMPACT, UH, YOU KNOW, WHERE THERE'S A BROAD SIDE GOING AT 40 MILES PER HOUR, AND THE CHANCE OF SERIOUS INJURY IS, IS MULTIPLIED.
SO WITH THAT, WE HIRED A CIVIL ENGINEER AND LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT AND TO PREPARE PLANS, AND NOW IT'S OUT TO BID.
SO, SO THAT'S THE INTENT OF THIS, THAT THIS PROJECT THAT'S GOING ON RIGHT NOW, AND SOME OF THE FEATURES THAT WE'RE DOING IS TO HOPEFULLY, UH, ENCOURAGE, UH, YOU KNOW, BUSINESS, UH, ACTIVITY WITH, UH, BEAUTIFICATION OF THE ACTUAL STREET.
SO THIS IS JUST A, A, A SNAPSHOT OF WHAT IT WOULD PROBABLY LOOK LIKE.
AND THIS IS, I BELIEVE THAT'S, UH, ELCON BOULEVARD AND PALM.
AND THIS JUST A BEFORE AND AFTER RENDERING.
AND THIS IS WHAT WE WANT IT TO LOOK LIKE EVENTUALLY.
SO, YOU KNOW, PEDESTRIAN FAMILY, UH, LOCATION OF THE PARK AND, AND ENCOURAGE THE NEIGHBORHOOD BUSINESSES AND, UH, STREET CANOPIES AND, AND, AND SHADE AND SO FORTH.
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SO OUR TIMELINE AND BUDGET FOR THIS, FOR THE ROUNDABOUT, SO WE DESIGNED IT BACK IN 20 20, 21, AND, UH, WE PUT IT OUT THE PROJECT OUT FOR A CONSTRUCTION BID BACK IN SUMMER OF 22.AND, UH, WE STARTED CONSTRUCTION RIGHT WHEN WE HAD VERY HEAVY RAIN.
SO WE'VE HAD NUMEROUS DELAYS ON THIS PROJECT.
AND, UM, UH, LOTS OF HANDHOLDING WITH BUSINESSES.
UH, SANON KACI, OUR PROJECT ENGINEER CAN ATTEST TO THAT.
UH, WE REALLY TRY TO ACCOMMODATE, UH, UM, UM, THE BUSINESSES AND WHAT THEY'RE, THE HARDSHIP THEY'RE GOING THROUGH AND TRYING TO GET OUR CONTRACTOR TO EXPEDITE, UH, AND MOVE ALONG AS, AS, AS EXPEDITIOUSLY AS POSSIBLE.
SO, UM, WE'RE PROBABLY IN PHASE THREE OF THE PROJECT.
UH, THERE'S SIX PHASES FOR THE ROUNDABOUT, AND WE'RE SHOOTING FOR MAY OF 2024.
WE WERE, IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE, UH, IN DECEMBER, BUT, UH, WITH RAINS AND, UH, A LOT OF UNKNOWNS WITH, UH, EXISTING SOILS, UH, CONTAMINATION OF SOILS KIND OF PUSHED OUR PROJECT, UH, UH, DELAY.
UH, SO WITH ANY CONSTRUCTION PROJECT, YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT'S UN UNDERGROUND.
SO THAT'S, THAT WAS THE DILEMMA, ESPECIALLY IN OLDER NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU KNOW, WHERE THERE'S OLD GAS STATIONS AND OLD, UH, UTILITIES WHERE WE, YOU, YOU UNCOVER 'EM AS YOU GO ALONG.
SO THIS IS WHAT OUR, YOU KNOW, PROJECT FUNDING THAT DONUT IS JUST OUR BREAKDOWN OF, UM, THE GRANT CONSERVANCY GRANT, LOCAL TRANSNET FUNDS AND WASTEWATER FUNDS AS WELL.
AND THE SECOND PROJECT THAT, UH, ONGOING, THAT STARTED IN SEPTEMBER OF, UH, YEAH, SEPTEMBER, WELL, ACTUALLY AUGUST, SEPTEMBER OF THIS YEAR, A FEW MONTHS AGO, IS THE MAIN STREET GREEN STREET PROJECT.
AND SO RIGHT NOW, I MEAN THE, THE BEFORE PICTURE IS, UH, KIND OF WIDE OPEN, UH, FOUR LANES OF TRAFFIC.
AND, UM, THE INTENT OF THE TDSP IS TO, UM, YOU KNOW, ENCOURAGE, LIKE I SAID, CYCLING PEDESTRIANS AND PUT INTO, YOU KNOW, LANDSCAPING AND TREES TO MAKE IT NOT SO HOT TO WALK IN THE SUMMERTIME.
SO FOR THIS PROJECT ON WEST MAIN, UH, FROM MARSHALL AVENUE TO JOHNSON AVENUE, IT'S, RIGHT NOW IT'S FOUR LANES AND, UH, WE'RE GONNA NECK IT DOWN TO, TO THREE LANES AND TWO LANES WOULD BE WESTBOUND, WHICH IS THE HEAVIER, UH, VOLUME OF TRAFFIC GOING TOWARDS I EIGHT.
AND WE COULD, UH, AFTER WE DID OUR STUDIES, WE COULD, UH, DETERMINE THAT WE COULD ELIMINATE ONE LANE OF TRAFFIC GOING EASTBOUND AND NOT CREATE A BOTTLENECK.
UM, BUT, UH, AND THEN ALSO ENCOURAGE, UH, UH, THE CLASS FOUR BIKEWAYS, WHICH IS PROTECTED BIKEWAYS.
AND ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF, UH, MAIN STREET, WE HAVE, UH, UH, PROTECTIVE BIKEWAY AND MORE LANDSCAPING.
AND WE ALSO TRY TO ACCOMMODATE ALL THE DRIVEWAYS AS WELL, UH, FOR BUSINESS.
SO THE, THE OVERALL BENEFIT FOR THIS PROJECT AND ALL THESE PROJECTS ARE JUST INCREASED SAFETY AND REDUCED VEHICLE SPEEDS AND ACCESSIBILITY TO, UM, THE TROLLEY STATION.
AND THAT'S, THIS ONE'S A KIND OF A BIRD'S EYE VIEW OF MAIN STREET AND JOHNSON.
SO ON THE, THE TOP OF, I DON'T HAVE MY POINTER, BUT ON THE, THE, THE NORTHWEST OR THE SOUTHWEST CORNER WHERE WE HAVE THE LEWAN, UH, DISTRIBUTION FACILITY, THAT'S, THAT'S THAT PICTURE.
SO RIGHT NOW THE CURB, UH, OR THE CURB IS BEING PUSHED OUT TO ELIMINATE THAT LANE AND THEN TO, UH, PUT IN LANDSCAPING AND A BIKEWAY AND A PEDESTRIAN ACCESS.
AND THEN FURTHER EAST OF JOHNSON AVENUE, UM, IS, UH, THE EXTENSION OF THAT PROJECT.
BUT THE INTENT IS TO GET THE FIRST PHASE DONE FROM JOHNSON TO MARSHALL AND, UH, AND, AND, UH, GET THAT PROJECT COMPLETED.
AND THIS ONE IS GOING A LITTLE BIT QUICKER.
IT'S NOT AS BIG AND IT'S NOT AS, UH, A, A LARGE PROJECT AS, AS THE ROUNDABOUT.
BUT, UH, THEY'RE A DELAYED, UH, WE GOT SLOW START.
UM, WE BID IT LAST SUMMER AND WE STARTED IN SEPTEMBER AND WE'RE INTENDING TO BE DONE BY IN JUNE OF 2024.
SO IT'S ABOUT A $3 MILLION PROJECT.
AND, UM, WITH THAT, UH, I'LL OPEN UP THE QUESTIONS ALSO.
I MENTIONED ANOTHER ROUNDABOUT AT, UH, MAIN STREET IN DOUGLAS.
UH, WE JUST RECEIVED A, A GRANT THROUGH THE STATE, UH, STATE OF CALIFORNIA.
IT'S CALLED AN ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION GRANT.
AND WE GOT ABOUT $6.8 MILLION OF FUNDS TO
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DO A ROUNDABOUT AT THAT LOCATION.BUT THAT'S, THESE PROJECTS TAKE ABOUT UP TO FOUR YEARS FROM, FROM DESIGN YEAH.
PROCUREMENT DESIGN AND, AND BID BUILD AND ALL THAT.
SO, UM, WITH THAT, I'LL OPEN IT UP TO QUESTIONS.
JUST A QUICK QUESTION ON THE ONE THAT YOU'RE DOING THERE ON, UH, WEST MAINE TO JOHNSON.
I KNOW THAT THERE'S HEAVY BUS TRAFFIC THERE AND THERE'S BEEN NUMEROUS TIMES WHERE THEY'VE HAD TO REINFORCE THE ROAD 'CAUSE THE BUS HAS KIND OF SMUSHED IT.
ARE THEY GONNA ACCOMMODATE THE ROADS FOR, 'CAUSE I'M SURE THE BUS IS STILL GONNA GO THAT WAY.
UH, WHEN YOU GO EASTBOUND, IT'S GONNA BE OPENED UP.
THE STREET'S GONNA BE WIDENED THERE A LITTLE BIT MORE.
INSTEAD JUST KNUCK DOWN TO ONE LANE, WE'LL HAVE TWO LANES GOING.
YOU'LL HAVE A LEFT TURN POCKET AND A THROUGH AND A RIGHT TURN LANE.
SO BUSES WILL BE ACCOMMODATED.
AND WE HAVE, UH, BUS TURNOUTS ON THE EAST SIDE OF JOHNSON AVENUE.
SO I JUST KNOW THAT THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF PROBLEMS WITH THE ROAD ITSELF, AND THEY, I THINK THEY CONCRETED IT.
ARE THEY GONNA CONTINUE THE CONCRETE THERE FOR THE WAIT FOR THE BUSES? YEAH.
MM-HMM,
WHERE, WHERE'S TRAFFIC GONNA GO? TRAFFIC, IF THEY GET FROM ONE END OF EL CAJON TO THE OTHER, WELL, TRAFFIC WILL AL WILL ALWAYS BE THERE.
SO, UH, THE VOLUME'S NOT GONNA CHANGE.
UM, IT'S, IT'S GONNA STAY THE SAME, I THINK SO, UM, YEAH.
BUT IT'S GONNA BE CONGESTED, DON'T YOU THINK? NO, I DON'T THINK IT'LL BE CONGESTED.
JUST YOU, WE WILL HAVE TO WAIT AND SEE.
IT'S LIKE WHEN YOU BUILD IT, YOU'LL HAVE TO MID MITIGATE WITH EITHER SIGNAL TIMING AND TO INCREASE MORE, UH, MORE CAPACITY.
BUT, UM, BUT IN TERMS OF ROADWAY WIDTH AND VOLUME, STILL GONNA BE THE SAME VOLUME.
YOU MIGHT HAVE PEOPLE RE REROUTED.
BUT, UM, WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS, WE ALWAYS ACCOMMODATE CAN, WILL IT WORK FOR ELIMINATED A LANE? UM, WE DID A PROJECT ON EAST WASHINGTON.
IT USED TO BE FOUR LANES FROM, UH, FROM HAW ALL THE WAY TO, TO HEA ROAD.
AND, AND THAT WAS THE FIRST COMMENT WE GOT.
I GO, WELL, YOU GUYS ARE, YOU'RE DROPPING TWO LANES.
LIKE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOT GONNA DRIVE THROUGH, BUT YOU DRIVE THROUGH.
AND, AND THE NICE, UH, THE ADVANTAGE OF THAT IS WE, UM, WE HAVE, UH, LESS SPEEDING AND LESS SEVERE ACCIDENTS IN THAT AREA.
BUT THE VOLUME HAS NOT CHANGED.
THE PEOPLE ARE JUST TRAVELING SLOWER, BUT THE VOLUME'S STILL THE SAME.
EL CAJON BOULEVARD, THERE'S A CAR DEALERSHIP ON THE EAST SIDE.
I HEARD THROUGH ANOTHER, ANOTHER FRIEND THAT THE, UH, OWNER'S COMPLAINING THAT BUSINESS IS DYING AT THE CAR, UH, AT THE CAR DEALERSHIP, THAT THEY'RE NOT GETTING ANY PEOPLE COMING THERE TO, TO BUY CARS.
HAVE YOU HEARD ABOUT THAT? YES, WE'VE HEARD ABOUT THAT.
AND, UH, WE TRIED TO, WE JUST ACCOMMODATED, UH, A A TURN POCKET, UH, ACCESS.
WE, UH, ON WEST OF LEXINGTON, IF YOU DRIVE THAT, UH, TOMORROW DURING THE DAY, UM, WE REALLY ACCOMMODATED THAT BUSINESS AND PROVIDED HIM ACCESS DURING CONSTRUCTION.
SO AGAIN, THIS IS JUST TEMPORARY.
IT'S NOT A, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE, WHEN WE DO CONSTRUCTION, WE'RE GONNA INCONVENIENCE, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY, THERE'S NO WAY AROUND THAT.
UM, BUT ONCE IT'S DONE AND YOU GIVE IT A FEW YEARS AND THEN PEOPLE FORGET ABOUT IT.
SO IT, IT'S JUST THE DRAWBACK WITH CONSTRUCTION.
SO IT SEEMS TO ME THAT'S, UH, IT'S TAKEN A LONG, LONG TIME.
'CAUSE I NOTICED ON THE MAP THAT YOU HAD THERE WAS THE ONE THEY'RE DOING RIGHT NOW, AND THEN THERE'S THE ONE, I BELIEVE WHERE WEST MAINE IN HITS ELK HOME BOULEVARD.
ARE THEY DOING A ROUNDABOUT THERE AS WELL, OR, OR NO.
'CAUSE I KNOW RIGHT NOW THERE'S A TRAFFIC LIGHT AND IT KIND OF, IT USED TO, THE TURN LANES HAVE CHANGED OVER THE YEARS, BUT I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF THEY WERE GONNA DO ANYTHING THERE OR NO.
YEAH, WEST MAIN AND YEAH, ELK HOME BOULEVARD AND DOUGLAS, YEAH, THAT'S ON OUR PLANS TO PUT AROUND ABOUT THERE.
IT'S PART OF THE TS IT'S A FAMILY OF ENGINEERS.
SO UNFORTUNATELY I HEAR A LOT ABOUT THIS STUFF,
AND COMMISSIONER EDISON, MY ONLY QUE UH, FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR PRESENTING THIS TO US.
I KNOW IT TAKES TIME TO PUT IT TOGETHER.
AND WITH ANY OUTDOOR PROJECT, THERE'S GONNA BE DELAYS AND I WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT.
SO THANK YOU FOR, I'M A VISUAL, SO I DO APPRECIATE THAT.
MY ONLY QUESTION IS, IS IN REGARD TO THE TWO ROUNDABOUTS, IS AT ANY TIME ARE WE GONNA BE DOING TWO ROUNDABOUTS AT THE SAME TIME IN CONSTRUCTION? NO.
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IT.AND JUST THE PROBLEM WITH THIS WAY, WE, THE MAIN STREET, GREEN STREET, AND, UH, THE RE THE, THE ELCON BOULEVARD AND JOHNSON, UH, THE JOHNSON WAS, SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE.
YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN CLOSING DOWN THAT PROJECT, BUT IT JUST TAKING LONGER THAN EXPECTED.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? WELL, THANK YOU FOR THAT PRESENTATION AND, UH, HOPEFULLY THE WEATHER COOPERATES THIS YEAR.
MR. CHAIRMAN, BEFORE YOU CLOSE THE, UM, A JUROR ON THE MEETING, UM, MR. GILLO WHO SPOKE EARLIER, WISHED TO COMMENT, BUT I INDICATED THAT PUBLIC COMMENT IS CLOSED.
BUT YOU'RE WELCOME TO COME TO THE NEXT MEETING, WHICH NOVEMBER 21ST, 21ST OF THIS MONTH, AND SPEAK DURING PUBLIC HEARING TO THIS MATTER IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO.
YEAH, YOU CAN SPEAK AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING ON ANY ITEM, NOT ON THE AGENDA.
ALRIGHT, WELL, WITH THAT BEING SAID, DO I HAVE A, UH, MOTION TO, IS THERE ANY OTHER STAFF COMMUNICATION? UH, NO ADDITIONAL COMMUNICATIONS.
WELL THEN I MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN.
MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER MOROSE, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER CIRCO.
YOU SEE YOUR NAME IS WELL? OH YEAH.
YEAH, I WAS WONDERING BE ON THE BOTTOM.