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WELCOME, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, TO THE

[ CALL TO ORDER: Mayor Bill Wells]

OKLAHOMA CITY COUNCIL MEETING.

THE MEETING IS NOW CALLED ORDER, AND I'D LIKE TO ASK OUR CITY CLERK TO PLEASE CALL THE ROLE ALL COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE PRESENT.

WOULD YOU ALL STAND WITH ME FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE AND THE REMAIN STANDING? FOR A BRIEF MOMENT OF SILENCE, I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS FOR ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

THANK YOU.

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, BEFORE WE GET STARTED TODAY, I, I WOULD LIKE TO TALK TO YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT OUR FORMER MAYOR, MARK LEWIS AND I I WOULD LIKE TO OPEN THIS MEETING IN MEMORY OF HIM AND IN HONOR OF HIM.

UH, MARK WAS OUR MAYOR FOR MANY, MANY YEARS, UH, VERY WELL-KNOWN, WELL LOVED, UH, CHAMPION FOR THIS COMMUNITY, SOMEBODY WHO DEDICATED A GREAT DEAL OF HIS LIFE TO THE BETTERMENT OF THE PEOPLE OF EL CAJON AND TO ALL OF US, I, I PERSONALLY, UM, CAN ATTRIBUTE MY BE BEGINNINGS IN, IN, UH, POLITICS TO, UH, MAYOR LEWIS.

UH, HE'S THE ONE WHO BROUGHT ME IN AND, AND EN ENCOURAGED ME TO APPLY FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

I KNOW THAT MANY OF THE PEOPLE ON THIS DIOCESE, UH, KNEW MARK WELL AND LOVED HIM, AS DID I.

GARY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY ANYTHING? YOU WERE VERY CLOSE TO HIM.

YEAH, MARK AND I WERE, WERE REALLY GOOD FRIENDS, AND I ATTRIBUTE THE, UH, TURNAROUND IN THE CITY OF EL CAJON WITH A DOWNTOWN REVITALIZATION TO MARK.

HE PLAYED A BIG PART OF IT, AND HE WOULD DRIVE AROUND MANY TIMES IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT JUST TO LOOK AT THE CITY, UH, WALK THROUGH DOWNTOWN WITH VARIOUS DEVELOPERS AND SAY, WE, WE DON'T NEED ANY MORE STUDIES.

WE NEED TO MAKE THIS PLACE BETTER.

AND HE EVEN WENT, HE EVEN WENT TO DISNEYLAND WITH MY KIDS WHEN THEY WERE LITTLE WITH ME, AND WE HAD A WONDERFUL TIME.

SO, UH, HE'S, UH, GONNA BE VERY, VERY MISSED.

HE WAS MY MENTOR FOR MANY, MANY YEARS.

THANK YOU, GARY.

SO MARK'S WIFE AND HIS DAUGHTER ARE HERE TODAY.

UM, WE WANT TO THANK YOU, UH, FOR GIVING US SO MUCH OF MARK'S TIME AND, UH, THE, I KNOW I SPEAK FOR ALL THE PEOPLE OF EL CAJON, WHERE WE THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE SACRIFICES HE MADE AND THE SACRIFICES FOR YOU, YOU AS A FAMILY MADE.

SO, UM, WE ARE GONNA HAVE YOU BACK IN, IN A LITTLE WHILE TO, TO PROPERLY HONOR HIM WITH A PROCLAMATION.

AND SO WE'LL, WE'LL SCHEDULE THAT AND DO THAT SOON.

BUT, UH, ASK FOR TODAY, PLEASE ACCEPT OUR LOVE AND APPRECIATION AND, UH, ACCEPT THIS, UH, MEETING IN HONOR OF, OF MARK.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

OKAY.

THE CITY

[ POSTINGS: The City Clerk posted Orders of Adjournment of the October 10, 2023, Meeting and the Agenda of the October 24, 2023, Meeting in accordance to State Law and City Council/Housing Authority/Successor Agency to the Redevelopment Agency Policy.]

CLERK POSTED ORDERS OF ADJOURNMENT OF THE OCTOBER 10TH, 2023 AND THE AGENDA OF THE OCTOBER 24TH 23 MEETING IN ACCORDANCE WITH STATE LAW, CITY COUNCIL AND HOUSING AUTHORITY POLICY.

WE HAVE ONE

[ PRESENTATIONS: IT Professionals and GIS Day]

PROCLAMATION ON TODAY'S AGENDA.

I'D LIKE TO INVITE SARAH DIAZ, DIRECTOR OF INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY TO THE PODIUM TO ACCEPT THE PROCLAMATION, WHICH I WILL READ.

DO I HAVE THE CHAT THERE? I WAS LOOKING FOR IT.

YOU'LL ACTUALLY READ IT AND THEN WE'LL PRESENT IT TO THEM.

OKAY.

SO SARAH, YOU'RE GONNA GET THIS, BUT I HAVE TO READ IT BECAUSE I DIDN'T MEMORIZE IT.

SO, WHEREAS THE FIELDS OF INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY, IT, AND GEOGRAPHIC INFORMATION SYSTEMS, GIS, STAND AS THE CORNERSTONES OF THE DIGITAL AGE AND THE GEOSPATIAL REVOLUTION, PLAYING AN INDISPENSABLE ROLE IN ADVANCING INNOVATION, DRIVING PROGRESS, AND ENHANCING THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR PEOPLE ACROSS THE GLOBE.

AND WHEREAS IT PROFESSIONALS DEMONSTRATE UNWAVERING COMMITMENT, EXPERTISE, AND INGENUITY IN DEVELOPING, MAINTAINING AND SAFEGUARDING THE INTRICATE WEB

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OF SYSTEMS, NETWORKS, AND APPLICATIONS THAT UNDERPIN OUR INCREASINGLY INTERCONNECTED WORLD.

FROM CYBERSECURITY TO CLOUD COMPUTING, FROM SOFTWARE DEVELOPMENT TO DATA ANALYTICS.

AND WHEREAS GIS PROFESSIONALS HARNESS THE EXTRAORDINARY POWER OF GEOSPATIAL DATA MAPPING TECHNOLOGY AND SPATIAL ANALYSIS TO ADDRESS A WIDE SPECTRUM OF COMPLEX CHALLENGES THAT RELY ON THE DEEP UNDERSTANDINGS OF LOCATION-BASED INFORMATION.

AND WHEREAS THE INDISPENSABLE WORK OF IT AND GIS PROFESSIONALS EXTENDS FAR BEYOND MERE TECHNOLOGY, THEIR COLLECTIVE EFFORTS INFORM CRITICAL DECISION MAKING PROCESSES, PROMOTE ENVIRONMENTAL SUSTAINABILITY, ASSISTED DISASTER PREPAREDNESS AND RESPONSE, ENHANCE HEALTHCARE OUTCOMES, SUPPORT SMART URBAN DEVELOPMENT, AND ULTIMATELY CONTRIBUTE TO THE WELLBEING AND PROSPERITY OF OUR COMMUNITIES.

AND WHEREAS THE SEAMLESS COLLABORATION BETWEEN IT AND GIS PROFESSIONALS ENABLES US TO INTEGRATE TECHNOLOGY AND LOCATION INTELLIGENCE TO TRANSFORM INDUSTRIES, REVOLUTIONIZE RESEARCH, OPTIMIZE RESOURCE ALLOCATION, AND CREATE MORE EFFICIENT, EQUITABLE, AND RESILIENT SOCIETIES.

AND WHEREAS THE CELEBRATION OF IT PROFESSIONALS IN GIS DAY IS MOMENTOUS OCCASION TO HONOR THE DEDICATION, SKILLS, AND INNOVATION OF THOSE INDIVIDUALS WHO TIRELESSLY STRIVE TO IMPROVE OUR LIVES, ADVANCE OUR UNDERSTANDING OF THE WORLD, AND ENSURE THE CONNECT CONTINUOUS OPERATION OF SYSTEMS THAT HAVE BECOME INTEGRAL TO OUR DAILY EXISTENCE.

NOW, THEREFORE, I BILL WELLS MAYOR FOR THE CITY OF EL CAJON, TOGETHER WITH THE CITY COUNCIL TO HEREBY PROCLAIM THE 24TH DAY OF OCTOBER, 2023 TO BE IT PROFESSIONALS AND GIS DAY IN THE CITY OF EL CAJON, MR. MAYOR AND COUNCIL, IF I COULD JUST SAY A FEW THINGS TOO.

THERE, THERE WAS A TIME SORT OF WHEN I GUESS IT WERE KIND OF HELD UP IN THE CAVE.

WELL, THEY STILL ARE, THEY'RE IN THE BASEMENT.

UM, AND THEY SORT OF EMERGE WHENEVER THE COMPUTER DIDN'T WORK.

BUT OUR IT TEAM IS FAR MORE THAN THAT BECAUSE THE THINGS THAT THE COUNCIL'S IMPLEMENTED IN THE LAST FEW YEARS TO ENGAGE WITH OUR PUBLIC IS A HUNDRED PERCENT SUPPORTED BY IT, OUR ONLINE PERMIT PROCESS.

WITHOUT IT, THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN WITH, UH, OUR, OUR AMAZING MOBILE PHONE APP.

WITHOUT IT, THAT HASN'T HAPPENED.

ALL OF THE INTELLIGENCE LED POLICING THAT WE MONITOR AND RUN, THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN.

ALL THE WORK ORDERS THAT WE DO IN THE FIELD DOESN'T HAPPEN WITH IT.

SO I JUST WANNA, UH, LET THE COUNCIL KNOW HOW IMPORTANT THESE, THESE NINE FOLKS, THERE'S EIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU, BUT THERE'S NINE ON THE TEAM, HOW IMPORTANT THEY ARE TO THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY.

IT'S NOT JUST SUPPORTING PEOPLE THAT WORK AT CITY HALL.

AND IF YOU CAN INDULGE ME, I JUST WANT TO INTRODUCE OUR TEAM.

THERE'S, THERE'S NINE OF THEM.

UH, ANNETTE'S NOT HERE TODAY.

UH, BETWEEN ALL OF THEM, THEY HAVE 141 YEARS OF, UH, EXPERIENCE THAT'S AN AVERAGE OF 15 YEARS PER PERSON.

AND I, I'M, I WANT YOU TO, UH, I'M GONNA, AS I INTRODUCE 'EM, I'LL SAY HOW LONG THEY'VE BEEN WITH THE CITY, AND YOU CAN SEE WE HAVE THIS INTERESTING DICHOTOMY OF LONG TIMERS AND A LOT OF FRESH BLOOD, WHICH IS REALLY EXCITING ACTUALLY.

SO YOU ALL KNOW SARAH DIAZ.

SARAH DIAZ HAS 25 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE, 11 WITH THE CITY OF EL CAJON.

TOM WILLIS, UH, TWO DOWN FROM HER HAS, UH, 16 YEARS WITH THE CITY OF EL CAJON.

GABRIELLE AENA HAS TWO YEARS WITH THE CITY.

NICK KEMP HAS ONE YEAR WITH THE CITY IN A FEW MONTHS, RIGHT? FOUR MONTHS, ALRIGHT, A YEAR AND FOUR MONTHS.

UH, ANNETTE, WHO'S ON HERE, HAS ONLY THREE MONTHS WITH THE CITY.

EDWIN VALDEZ HAS, UH, FOUR MONTHS WITH THE CITY.

HAROLD MCDONALD HAS TWO MONTHS WITH THE CITY, UH, TILL TWO WILLIAMS. HE HAS 17 YEARS WITH THE CITY.

AND THEN KATE GALLEGOS HAS FOUR MONTHS WITH THE CITY.

SO WE HAVE PEOPLE WITH MULTIPLE YEARS, AND WE HAVE SOME PEOPLE WITH MONTHS.

AND IT'S AMAZING HOW THOSE THAT HAVE MONTHS, I, I'M THINKING, YOU KNOW, OF, OF EDWIN AND HAROLD, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE SOME OF OUR NEW AND KATE, OUR, OUR NEWEST EMPLOYEES, IT SEEMS LIKE THEY'VE BEEN WITH US FOR YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS.

BASICALLY, THEY'VE INTEGRATED REALLY WELL.

UM, JUST SO YOU RECOGNIZE, THEY NET THEY MANAGE THE NETWORKS AT 11 DIFFERENT SITES THROUGHOUT THE CITY.

THERE'S 11 SITES, CITY SITES THAT HAVE A NETWORK CAPACITY, UH, TWO DATA CENTERS WITH OVER 30 SERVERS.

SO THERE'S A LOT OF, UH, IT AND, UH, NETWORK MANAGEMENT GOING ON.

THEY HANDLE ALL OF OUR APPS, ALL OF OUR PROPRIETARY SOFTWARE PROGRAMS. UH, THEY CLOSED OVER 2,400 HELP, UH, HELP DESK TICKETS LAST YEAR.

80% OF THEM RESOLVED IN A WEEK OR LESS.

UM, THEY MANAGE OVER 300 GIS FEATURE LAYERED DATA SETS, AND THEY'RE ON TOP OF ALL THAT.

THEY'RE ALSO MANAGING $3 MILLION OF PROCUREMENT OF BRAND, UH, BANDWIDTH AND OTHER, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE, IT INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS IN THE CITY.

AND WITH ALL THIS WORK, THEY RECEIVED THE TOP TECH SAN DIEGO AWARD FOR GOVERNMENT

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IN 2022.

SO, UH, THEY ARE NOT ONLY AMAZING, BUT THEY'RE ALSO AWARD-WINNING.

SO THANK YOU GUYS.

REALLY APPRECIATE ALL YOU DO TO SUPPORT ALL OF US.

OKAY, AGENDA CHANGES.

STAFF, DO YOU HAVE ANY AGENDA CHANGES? NO, SIR.

COUNSEL, WE'RE NOW AT CONSENT

[7. CONSENT ITEMS: Consent Items are routine matters enacted by one motion according to the RECOMMENDATION listed below. With the concurrence of the City Council, a Council Member or person in attendance may request discussion of a Consent Item at this time.]

ITEMS, CONSENT ITEMS OR ROUTINE MATTERS ENACTED BY ONE MOTION ACCORDING TO THE RECOMMENDATION LISTED BELOW WITH THE CONCURRENCE OF THE CITY COUNCIL.

COUNCIL MEMBER OR PERSON IN ATTENDANCE MAY REQUEST DISCUSSION OF A CONSENT ITEM AT THIS TIME.

COUNCIL MEMBERS, DO YOU WISH TO PULL ANY OF THE CONSENT ITEMS? NO STAFF? NO, SIR.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION THEN TO APPROVE THE CONSENT ITEMS. SECOND, PLEASE VOTE, SIR, FOR THE RECORD.

THERE WERE NO SPEAKER CARDS FOR CONSENT ITEMS, AND THE MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.

THANK YOU.

WE'RE NOW PUBLIC COMMENT.

[ PUBLIC COMMENT: At this time, any person may address a matter within the jurisdiction of the City Council/Housing Authority/Successor Agency to the El Cajon Redevelopment Agency that is not on the Agenda. Comments relating to items on today’s docket are to be taken at the time the item is heard. State law prohibits discussion or action on items not on the Agenda; however, Council, Authority and Agency Members may briefly respond to statements or questions. An item may be placed on a future Agenda.]

AT THIS TIME, ANY PERSON MAY ADDRESS A MATTER WITHIN THE JURISDICTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL HOUSING AUTHORITY SUCCESSOR AGENCY TO THE EL CAJON RE REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY THAT IS NOT ON THE AGENDA.

COMMENTS RELATING TO ITEMS ON TODAY'S AGENDA ARE TO BE TAKEN AT THE TIME THAT THE ITEM IS HEARD.

STATE LAW PROHIBITS DISCUSSION OR ACTION ON ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA.

HOWEVER, CITY COUNCIL AND HOUSING AUTHORITY MEMBERS MAY BRIEFLY RESPOND TO STATEMENTS OR QUESTIONS, AND AN ITEM MAY BE PLACED ON A FUTURE AGENDA.

ANGELA, DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? WE DO, SIR.

WE HAVE THREE.

THE FIRST ONE IS FROM JOSE BERRA AND ED HERNANDEZ.

HELLO, HELLO.

HELLO.

HONORABLE MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE HOME.

AS YOU KNOW, MY NAME IS JOSE VERA, AND I WOULD LIKE TO WARM YOU BY.

OKAY.

ALL OF YOU TWO ARE ANNUAL HOLIDAY PERFORMANCES THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE HAVING AT LASKO CREEK MIDDLE SCHOOL.

OUR PERFORMING ARTS PROGRAM BENEFITS SIXTH, SEVENTH, AND EIGHTH GRADERS, AND WE'VE BEEN WORKING VERY HARD TO LEARN, PRACTICE, AND HAVE FUN WITH OUR CHARACTERS TO GET THEM READY FOR OUR DEBUTS.

OUR FIRST PERFORMANCE IS THE NIGHTMARE BEFORE CHRISTMAS, WHICH IS GOING TO BE THIS WEEK ON OCTOBER 26TH AT 6:00 PM OUR SECOND PERFORMANCE IS GOING TO BE BUDDY'S JOURNEY ON NOVEMBER 9TH AT 6:00 PM AS WELL.

BOTH PERFORMANCES WILL BE LOCATED IN THE GYM AT LOWS CO AT LOWS, COACHES CREEK MIDDLE SCHOOL.

AND ALSO, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY, UM, I REALLY LOVE PERFORMING.

IT'S MY FAVORITE.

IT, IT'S MY FAVORITE SUBJECT.

YOU KNOW, IT'S VERY NICE TO EXPRESS YOURSELF IN A WAY THAT YOU NEVER THOUGHT WAS POSSIBLE.

AND IT'S REALLY NICE TO JUST SHOW YOURSELF ON THE STAGE.

IT, IT'S JUST AMAZING AND I LOVE IT.

AND I ALSO WANTED TO SAY WE COULD NOT HAVE SURVIVED WITHOUT THE DONATIONS OF THE COMMUNITY.

SO WE KINDLY ENCOURAGE YOU TO COME AND DONATE TO OUR PROGRAM.

THERE WILL BE A LINK, UH, ON SOME FLYERS THAT WE WILL GIVE OUT RIGHT NOW, AND YOU GUYS CAN BUY THE TICKETS THROUGH YOUR PHONE OR YOU CAN COME WITH CASH OR A CHECK TO BUY YOUR TICKETS AT THE DOOR.

LAST SCHOOL YEAR, WE HAD A LARGE CROWD OF 1000 PEOPLE ATTENDING OUR MAIN SHOW, WHICH WAS FROZEN JUNIOR.

SO WE REALLY WANNA INVITE AS MANY PEOPLE AS WE CAN TO COME SUPPORT AND ENJOY OUR SHOWS.

SO WE REALLY HOPE THAT YOU GUYS CAN MAKE IT.

IT WOULD BE AMAZING IF YOU GUYS COULD, BECAUSE I KNOW MY TEACHER AND MY CLASSMATES WILL BE THRILLED TO SEE YOU GUYS IN THE AUDIENCE.

SO I, AGAIN, I REALLY HOPE YOU GUYS CAN MAKE IT AND THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING YOU DO IN THE CITY, AND I HOPE YOU HAVE A REALLY GREAT DAY.

I, I THINK HE'S A GRADUATE OF TEDX TALKS.

IS, IS HE NOT? YES, I THINK I RECOGNIZE HIM.

, THANK YOU.

WELL, THAT'S PRETTY GOOD.

THE PERFORMING ARTS CLEARLY HAS HELPED YOU IN YOUR PUBLIC SPEAKING.

YOU JUST CAME UP HERE AND JUST STARTED TALKING LIKE YOU KNEW EVERY ONE OF US, SO THAT'S GREAT.

MY, ALL THREE OF MY BOYS WERE IN, UH, PERFORMING ARTS AND ALL THREE OF 'EM GOT ACCEPTED TO UCS.

AND MY OLDEST SON ACTUALLY RUNS A STUDIO UP IN HOLLYWOOD AND HE CREDITS HIS EXPERIENCE IN THE PERFORMING ARTS WITH HIS SUCCESS.

CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR KIDS.

YOU KNOW, AND ALSO THAT'S REALLY COOL.

I, I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT'S AMAZING AND YEAH.

AND IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU GUYS WOULD LIKE TO SAY BEFORE I, I CAN SEE HOW PERFORMING ARTS HAS GIVEN YOU SKILLS AND CONFIDENCE TO, TO DO PUBLIC SPEAKING.

THE NUMBER ONE FEAR OF MOST ADULTS IS PUBLIC SPEAKING.

AND

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YOU SEEM TO HAVE MASTERED THAT ALREADY.

SO ALL I CAN SAY IS, WOW.

GREAT JOB.

WELL, I MEAN, IT'S, THANKS TO PERFORMING ARTS AND MY TEACHERS ENCOURAGING ME TO BE CONFIDENT AND TO SPEAK OUT LOUD TO PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S JUST AMAZING HOW FAR I'VE COME AND WHEN I LOOK ON IT, WHEN I LOOK BACK ON IT, I JUST FEEL REALLY AMAZING AND I FEEL THANKFUL FOR THE TEACHERS THAT I'VE HAD.

JOSE, WHAT GRADE ARE YOU IN NOW? EIGHTH GRADE.

EIGHTH GRADE, BECAUSE YOU'VE GOTTEN TALLER, YOU PROBABLY PUT ON WHAT ABOUT SIX INCHES SINCE LAST YEAR YOU DID THE TED TALK, UM, ANNOUNCEMENTS.

YOU DID THE CHRISTMAS PROGRAM OVER AT E-C-T-L-C, AND THEN I NOTICED THAT YOUR, YOUR VOICE STARTED TO BREAK A LITTLE BIT AND I'M LIKE, UHHUH, HE'S GOTTEN GIRL SPURTS HITTING.

YEP.

GIRL SPURTS COMING.

WELL, CONGRATULATIONS.

YOU'RE DOING A WONDERFUL JOB OUT THERE.

UM, YOU'RE VERY CONFIDENT AND WE NEED MORE CONFIDENT YOUNG PEOPLE IN THIS WORLD.

AND, UM, I HOPE THAT I CAN FIT YOU FIT, UH, AT LEAST ONE OR TWO, UH, OF THE PERFORMANCES INTO MY SCHEDULE.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

ALRIGHT, WE'LL SEE YA.

ALL RIGHT THEN.

THANK YOU.

QUICK, QUICK QUESTION.

WHAT, WHAT PART DO YOU HAVE IN THE PLAY? UH, I'M GOING TO BE IN BUDDY'S JOURNEY, AND I'M ACTUALLY GOING TO BE BUDDY THE ELF.

OH, OKAY.

SO THERE WE GO.

YOU GUYS WILL BE SEEING ME ON THE STAGE.

AWESOME.

HAPPY CHRISTMAS.

ALL RIGHT.

YEP, THAT'S RIGHT.

THAT'S RIGHT.

THANKS.

ALL RIGHT.

THE FLYERS WILL BE GIVING OUT RIGHT NOW.

OH, GREAT.

APPRECIATE THAT.

THANK YOU GUYS SO MUCH.

THANKS.

THE SECOND SPEAKER IS BRENDA HAMMOND.

HEY, BRENDA.

HELLO.

GRAHAM, YOU TOOK THE WORD.

YOU WERE READING MY MIND AGAIN, BECAUSE THAT'S THE FIRST THING ON MY NOTES IS GRAHAM, YOUR STAFF IS AWESOME.

I MEAN, I LOVE, I LOVE EVERYTHING THAT THEY'RE DOING.

AND, UM, THE HALLOWEEN PARTY ON THE STREETS WAS VERY AWESOME.

UM, ALSO, I DIDN'T, I RAN OUT A LITTLE BIT OF TIME.

UM, I KNOW I, I MENTIONED ILA RUTH LAST TIME, UM, ABOUT HER BEING A MINISTER AND, UM, TAKING CARE OF SHUT-INS, AND I MENTIONED THAT SHE'S A, UM, I, I DON'T KNOW IF I MENTIONED SHE'S A REAL ESTATE AGENT.

SHE WAS, UM, ALSO, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS KNOW THIS, BUT SHE WOULD TAKE HALF OF EL CAJON AND HAVE EVERYBODY HAVE A GARAGE SALE AT THE SAME TIME.

AND THEN THE NEXT WEEKEND SHE WOULD TAKE THE OTHER HALF OF EL CAJON AND HAVE EVERYBODY HAVE A YARD SALE AT THE SAME TIME.

AND I HELPED HER WITH THOSE FOR A FEW YEARS.

AND, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WOULD REALIZE HOW MUCH THAT BROUGHT MORE PEOPLE INTO EL CAJON TO SPEND MONEY, SO WE COULD HAVE THESE AWESOME PARTIES.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

THANK YOU, BRENNA.

THE LAST SPEAKER IS, UH, ABDULAH.

SUBI.

OH, THEY WITHDREW THEIR SPEAKING CARD, BUT THEY'RE NOT HERE.

THEY WITHDREW IT.

AND WE HAVE CARD.

OH, OKAY.

THAT'S FINE.

OKAY.

UH, THAT BRINGS US TO, UM, WELL WRITTEN COMMUNICATIONS.

AND THERE ARE NO WRITTEN COMMUNICATIONS ON TODAY'S AGENDA.

WE'RE NOW AT PUBLIC HEARINGS.

[14. Public Hearing and Second Reading of Ordinance to Amend Title 15 Buildings and Construction and adopting amendments to the California Building Code, 2022 Edition and the California Fire Code, 2022 Edition by Reference RECOMMENDATION: That the City Council: Opens the public hearing and receives testimony; Closes the public hearing; Adopts by reference an Ordinance to Amend Title 15 Buildings and Construction and adopting amendments to the California Building Code, 2022 Edition and the California Fire Code, 2022; and Requests the City Clerk to recite the title of the Ordinance.]

ITEM 14 IS A SECOND READING AND ADOPTION FOR AMENDMENTS TO TITLE 15.

I'LL ASK STAFF TO TELL US ABOUT THIS.

HELLO? HELLO, HONORABLE MAYOR, VICE MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.

MY NAME IS ANDRE.

I'M THE BUILDING OFFICIAL FOR A CITY, AND, UH, WE HAVE THIS ORDINANCE TO AMEND THE FIRE CODE.

I'LL GIVE MORE FLEXIBILITY TO APPROVE INFILL PROJECTS IN THE CITY, AND ADDITIONALLY CORRECTING REFERENCES TO OTHER APPENDICES IN THE MUNICIPAL CODE.

AND IT'S RECOMMENDED TO APPROVE THE ORDINANCE.

AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, WE'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM.

OKAY.

THANK YOU FOR, LET ME SEE.

HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? NO, THANK YOU, SIR.

THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT.

UH, THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN.

ANGELA, DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS? WE HAVE NO SPEAKER CARDS, SIR.

THEN I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING.

SECOND, PLEASE VOTE.

MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.

ANGELA, WOULD YOU PLEASE RECITE THE TITLE? THE TITLE READS AN ORDINANCE AMENDING SECTION 15.0405 OF CHAPTER 15.04, AND SECTIONS 15.560 15.5670, AND

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15.5680 OF CHAPTER 15.56 OF TITLE 15 OF THE EL CAJON MUNICIPAL CODE ADOPTING AMENDMENTS TO THE CALIFORNIA BUILDING CODE 2022 EDITION, AND THE CALIFORNIA FIRE CODE 2022 EDITION BY REFERENCE.

THANK YOU.

UH, MAY WE PLEASE HAVE A MOTION THEN? SO MOVED.

SECOND, PLEASE VOTE.

MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.

WE HAVE THREE

[15. Legislative Report - End of the 2023 Legislative Session RECOMMENDATION: This is an informational item. No action is required by the City Council.]

ADMINISTRATIVE REPORTS ON TODAY'S AGENDA.

ITEM 15 IS A LEGISLATIVE REPORT, WHICH WE ALWAYS LOOK FORWARD TO.

AND I'LL ASK, UH, OUR ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, VINCE DEMIO, TO PLEASE TELL US ALL ABOUT THIS MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

I, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, WHEN YOU SEE THIS ON THE AGENDA IN THE PAST WEEKEND, YOU MUST JUST GET A CHARGE OF AN ELECTRICAL ELECTRICITY.

JUST CAN'T WAIT TO COME TO THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING AND HEAR ABOUT THIS.

IT'S LIKE CHRISTMAS.

IT'S LIKE CHRISTMAS, RIGHT? YEAH.

SO THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION IS OVER.

UM, I'M SURE THAT WE'RE ALL HAPPY ABOUT THAT.

UM, AS I SAID IN MY STAFF REPORT, AND I, AND I REALLY DIDN'T PULL ANY PUNCHES IN MY STAFF REPORT.

I, I, IN THIS CASE, I REALLY WANTED THE COUNCIL TO KNOW WHAT THE ONGOING TREND HAS BEEN WITH THE STATE LEGISLATURE.

AND I, I INCLUDED THE STATISTICS ABOUT THE BREAKDOWN OF REPRESENTATION AND THE NUMBER OF BILLS.

THE TOTAL NUMBER OF BILLS WAS 3036.

THAT'S BY FAR THE LARGEST NUMBER OF BILLS WE'VE SEEN BE SUBMITTED BY THE, UH, EARLY SESSION DEADLINE IN THE LAST 10 YEARS OR MORE.

UM, BUT AS I SAID, I WAS VERY CRITICAL BECAUSE THE LEGISLATURE CONTINUES TO DO A COUPLE OF THINGS.

THEY CONTINUE TO, UH, PURSUE LEGISLATION THAT REMOVES LOCAL LAND USE CONTROL IN FAVOR OF CENTRALIZED ONE ONE SET STATE CENTERED, UM, STATEWIDE LAND USE REGULATIONS.

SO THEY ARE LITERALLY REMOVING THE ABILITY OF EACH AND EVERY CITY TO MAKE INDEPENDENT LAND USE DECISIONS AND ADOPT ORDINANCES FOR LAND USE DECISIONS AS THAT PARTICULAR CITY COUNCIL SEES FIT.

AND IT'S BECOMING MORE CENTRALIZED IN TERMS OF WHAT SACRAMENTO WOULD LIKE YOU TO DO.

UH, SECONDLY, CLEARLY, I MEAN, AND, AND UNDENIABLY THE, THE MAJORITY IN SACRAMENTO IS, IS WORKING VERY HARD AT REDUCING CRIMINAL PENALTIES AND INCARCERATION TIMES.

TH THIS IS A PHILOSOPHY, THIS IS A PHILOSOPHICAL DECISION BY THE GOVERNING PARTY, UM, THAT SIMPLY DOES NOT BELIEVE IN INCARCERATION.

THAT, SO THEY WILL DO EVERYTHING THAT THEY CAN TO AVOID, UH, INCARCERATING INDIVIDUALS.

AND SO, AS WE GO THROUGH, I'M NOT GONNA GO THROUGH THE ENTIRE LIST, OF COURSE YOU HAVE IT IN FRONT OF YOU, WE'LL GO THROUGH A COUPLE OF THEM, BUT I'M GONNA POINT OUT SOME OF THEM THAT CLEARLY WERE JUST FOR SHOW.

AND THERE WERE SOME REASONABLE BILLS THAT WERE PUT FORTH THAT WERE FROM THE OPPOSING PARTY, THE, THE MINORITY PARTY THAT JUST DIDN'T GO ANYWHERE, EVEN THOUGH THEY WERE PERFECTLY REASONABLE.

AND LASTLY, THEY'RE, THEY'RE REALLY FAKING IT WHEN IT COMES TO DOING SOMETHING SUBSTANTIALLY AT THE STATE, STATE LEVEL ABOUT HOMELESSNESS AND THE FENTANYL EPIDEMIC.

UM, WE'LL GET INTO A COUPLE OF THOSE AS WELL.

UM, THEY ARE NOT DOING ANYTHING OF SUBSTANCE WHEN IT COMES TO ADDRESSING THOSE TWO ISSUES, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO WHAT, WHAT THEY CAN DO TO HELP THE LOCAL AGENCIES WITH HOMELESSNESS OR COMBAT THE FENTANYL EPIDEMIC.

MAINLY BECAUSE WITH FENTANYL, IF YOU LOOK AT ARRESTS, YOU LOOK AT INCARCERATION, YOU LOOK AT THAT'S CONTRARY TO WHAT THEIR, THEIR PLAN IS.

SO IT, IT JUST RUNS COUNTER TO WHAT THE, THE PHILOSOPHICAL BENT OF THE MAJORITY PARTY IS.

SO WITH THAT IN MIND, I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT JUST A FEW OF THEM.

IT'S, IT'S A LONG LIST.

AND AS I ALSO SAID IN THE STAFF REPORT, YOU KNOW, I'M SURE THAT I MISSED SOME.

I, I'M SURE.

AND AS, AS I FIND, UH, THINGS THAT I'VE MISSED AS, AS THE DEBRIEF GOES ON, UH, BETWEEN THE LEAGUE OF CALIFORNIA CITIES AND THE VARIOUS CITIES, UM, I'LL, I'LL BE SURE TO SEND EMAILS AND MEMOS TO YOU TO HIGHLIGHT THINGS OF INTEREST.

UM, THE FIRST ONE I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT IS ACTUALLY THE, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF GOOD ONES, BY THE WAY.

UM, AND, AND THE FIRST, UH, THE FIRST ONE ON THE LIST IS ONE OF THOSE, I THINK ESPECIALLY IN AREAS WHERE THE COST OF LIVING IS, IS VERY EXPENSIVE.

AND THAT'S AB 12, WHICH CAPS SECURITY DEPOSITS FOR RENTAL PROPERTIES AT THE EQUIVALENT OF ONE MONTH'S RENT.

UM, USED TO SEE IN THE OLD DAYS, YOU KNOW, FIRST LAST AND DEPOSIT.

IT WAS AN EXTRAORDINARY AMOUNT OF MONEY FOR A PLACE LIKE SAN DIEGO COUNTY.

WELL, THIS, THIS IS GOING TO ADDRESS THAT.

UM, THE SECOND, THE SECOND BILL I WANTED TO POINT OUT, UH, IS SOMETHING THAT DIED.

IT'S, UH, AB 93.

IT, IT FAILED IN THE ASSEMBLY, SO IT DIDN'T EVEN GET TO THE SENATE.

BUT THERE'S, THIS IS, THESE ARE THE ONES THAT WE'RE WATCHING FOR TWO YEAR BILLS THAT MAY COME BACK IN THE NEW SESSION.

THIS PROHIBITS A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER FOR, FROM CONDUCTING WARRANTLESS SEARCHES OF

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A PERSON, THEIR EFFECTS OR THEIR VEHICLES, EVEN THOUGH THE PERSON GAVE THEIR CONSENT.

SO LET'S SAY A A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER DOESN'T NECESSARILY SEE SOMETHING THAT'S ILLEGAL DURING A TRAFFIC STOP, FOR INSTANCE, ASKS PERMISSION TO SEARCH IS GRANTED THE PERMISSION TO SEARCH.

THAT'S NOT GOOD ENOUGH.

THEY, THEY WOULD NEED TO GET A WARRANT, AND THAT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO DO IN, IN, IN THE TIME OF A TRAFFIC STOP.

SO, AGAIN, THAT FAILED.

THAT'S, THAT'S NOT, THAT MAY COME BACK.

WE'LL KEEP AN EYE ON IT.

UH, THIS NEXT ONE, AB 3 34 ACTUALLY HAS SOME RELEVANCE FOR US SPECIFICALLY, AND YOU MAY REMEMBER THIS, THIS BILL AUTHORIZES LOCAL GOVERNMENT CITIES TO ENTER INTO CONTRACT WITH AN INDEPENDENT CONTRACTOR FOR A LATER PHASE OF THE SAME PROJECT.

UM, IF AS LONG AS THE, THE, THE INDEPENDENT CONTRACTOR DID NOT ENGAGE IN OR ADVISE ON THE MAKING OF THE SUBSEQUENT CONTRACT.

SO IN THIS CASE, YOU'LL REMEMBER WE DID THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT SPECIFIC PLAN, AND WHEN WE PRESENTED IT TO THE CITY COUNCIL, THE COUNCIL GAVE US FEEDBACK, WHICH WE KNEW WAS GOING TO REQUIRE A SECOND IMPLEMENTATION PLAN OF THOSE GOALS AND POLICIES THAT YOU REVIEWED.

SO WE WENT BACK TO THE CONSULTANT AND WE SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT? WE NEED A SECOND DOCUMENT.

WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE EXISTING LANGUAGE IN THE LAW, THE CITY ATTORNEY TOOK THE POSITION THAT THE, THE EXISTING LANGUAGE DID NOT ALLOW US TO GO BACK TO THE SAME CONSULTANT.

SO WE WERE LEFT KIND OF CONFUSED.

SO WE PUT A MEMO TOGETHER AND WE SENT IT TO, UH, THE FAIR POLITICAL PRACTICES COMMISSION.

WHEN WE SAID, HERE'S WHAT THE LEGAL STANDARD IS TODAY.

DO YOU AGREE WE CANNOT HIRE THIS CONSULTANT AGAIN FOR PART TWO OF THE SAME PROJECT, EVEN THOUGH WE DIDN'T KNOW PART TWO WAS GONNA COME.

AND FORTUNATELY, THEIR INTERPRETATION OF IT SAID, NO, THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY NOT WHAT WE SEE.

UM, YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND HIRE THE SAME CONSULTANT, WHICH BY THE WAY, WE'VE DONE, AND WE WILL BE BRINGING THE IMPLEMENTATION PLAN BACK TO YOU.

BUT THIS WAS SOMETHING THE LEGISLATURE OBVIOUSLY HAD BEEN NOTIFIED OF.

IT HAD OBVIOUSLY BEEN SOMETHING THAT OTHER CITIES HAD DEALT WITH, AND THEY CORRECTED IT, SO THERE WOULD BE NO AMBIGUITY IN THE LANGUAGE GOING FORWARD.

SO IT'S, IT'S ACTUALLY A GOOD THING, UM, THAT IT WORKED OUT THAT WAY.

UM, ANOTHER ONE THAT, UH, IS, IS A LOT OF FENTANYL RELATED BILLS, A LOT OF SENTENCING ENHANCEMENT BILLS.

AB 360 7 IS ONE OF THOSE, IT'S FOR FENTANYL PENALTY ENHANCEMENTS.

UH, MAKES THE SALE DISTRIBUTION, UH, GIVING AWAY FURNISHING, ET CETERA.

A FENTANYL SUBJECT TO EITHER A THREE OR FIVE YEAR SENTENCING ENHANCEMENT, DEPENDING ON A NUMBER OF VARIABLES.

UM, THAT, THAT DIDN'T GO ANYWHERE THAT, THAT DIED IN THE ASSEMBLY.

AGAIN, WE WOULD EXPECT THAT.

OKAY.

UM, BUT THE NEXT ONE I WANNA POINT OUT, UM, I, I GIVES THE AWARD FOR BEST VIRTUE SIGNALING OF THE SESSION.

UM, IT'S AB 7 0 1, WHICH SAYS, WELL, YES, WE AGREE SENTENCE ENHANCEMENT OF THREE YEARS FOR POSSESSION, DISTRIBUTING OR DEALING IN ONE KILO OF FENTANYL.

SO I TALKED TO THE POLICE CHIEF IN ADVANCE OF THIS MEETING.

I SAID, ANY DEALERS STANDING ON THE CORNER THAT CARRY A KILO OF FENTANYL WITH THEM? NONE.

RIGHT? NONE.

BECAUSE, BECAUSE THAT'S 1.5 MILLION DOSES OF FENTANYL.

NOW, IT'S, IT'S POSSIBLE THAT LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES ARE CONDUCTING DETAILED INVESTIGATIONS INTO DRUG DEALING RINGS, UM, AND WILL EVENTUALLY, UH, CONFISCATE A KILO OF FENTANYL.

IT DOES HAPPEN AT THE BORDER.

IT HAPPENS WITH, WITH LONG DRAWN OUT INVESTIGATIONS.

BUT THIS REALLY WAS MEANT SO THAT THE VOTERS CAN, CAN GO BACK AND SEE THAT THEIR REPRESENTATIVE VOTED FOR SENTENCING ENHANCEMENTS ON FENTANYL, AND THEY GET TO HOLD UP AND SAY THEY DID SOMETHING ON FENTANYL, WHEN THE REALITY IS, THIS IS NOTHING.

YOU'RE NEVER GOING TO ARREST SOMEBODY ON THE CORNER.

DEALING DRUGS WITH 1.5 MILLION DOSES OF FENTANYL JUST DOESN'T EXIST.

SO IT'S, IT'S, IT'S JUST A FOR SHOW KIND OF KIND OF THING.

UM, WE ALL KNOW WE FOLLOWED THIS ONE CLOSELY AND REPORTED OUT TO YOU ON AB 7 42, THE POLICE CANINES BILL, WHICH WOULD'VE PROHIBITED THE USE OF POLICE CANINES.

AGAIN, COMPLETE MISUNDERSTANDING OF WHAT CANINES ARE USED FOR IS, IS WHAT THE GENESIS OF THIS BILL IS.

AND I WOULD LOOK FOR IT TO COME BACK.

THE, THIS SAVES OFFICERS LIVES, IT SAVES SUSPECTS LIVES.

IF YOU CANNOT APPREHEND A SUSPECT WITHOUT PUTTING AN OFFICER'S LIFE IN DANGER, THEN GUNS ARE GONNA GET DRAWN AND PEOPLE ARE GONNA GET SHOT.

UH, OKAY.

THERE, THERE'S NOT BEEN ANY THERE.

I THINK THERE WAS A TOTAL OF SEVEN RECORDED, UH, CANINE BITES THAT REQUIRED SIGNIFICANT TREATMENT, UH, IN THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA IN THE PREVIOUS YEAR.

SO IT'S NOT, THERE'S, THIS IS A, THIS IS A PROPOSAL

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OR A BILL LOOKING FOR A PROBLEM.

UM, SO WE'LL LOOK FOR THIS TO COME BACK.

UM, I, I THINK IT WILL, UM, AB THIS WAS THE REASONABLE FENTANYL BILL AB 10 58.

OF COURSE, IT'S REASONABLE, BUT UNFORTUNATELY, IT CAME FROM THE MINORITY PARTY.

SO THAT MEANS IT WAS GOING TO DIE NO MATTER WHAT.

UM, IT INCREASES THE PENALTIES FOR DRUG TRAFFICKING OF FENTANYL, AN ANALOG OF FENTANYL, UH, OR A SUBSTANCE CONTAINING FENTANYL, UM, IN THE AMOUNT OF 28.35 GRAMS, WHICH IS ABOUT 50 DOSES.

NOW, THAT'S REASONABLE.

YOU COULD THEORETICALLY ARREST A, A DRUG DEALER WITH 50 DOSES OF FENTANYL.

IT'S A SMALL ENOUGH AMOUNT OF DRUG TO FOR PER DOSE, THEN YEAH, SURE, WE CAN FIND SOMEBODY WITH 50 DOSES.

SO THIS WAS A VERY REASONABLE ONE THAT DIDN'T GO ANYWHERE.

UM, UH, AB 1490, THIS, THIS WAS PASSED AND SIGNED, UH, AFFORDABLE HOUSING ADAPTIVE REUSE.

ADAPTIVE REUSE REFERS TO A COMMERCIAL BUILDING THAT IS GOING TO BE CONVERTED TO RESIDENTIAL.

UM, BUT THIS, THIS HAS SOME SIGNIFICANCE BECAUSE THE BILL REQUIRES, OKAY, DOES NOT RECOMMEND, IT REQUIRES THAT ANY LOCAL SOURCE OF FUNDING BE USED FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN AN ADAPTIVE REUSE SITUATION AS AN ELIGIBLE FUNDED PROJECT.

SO THAT HAS IMPLICATIONS FOR OUR CDBG PROGRAM.

IF A DEVELOPER WERE TO COME IN AND PROPOSE TO REUSE A COMMERCIAL STRIP MALL, FOR INSTANCE, CONVERT IT TO RESIDENTIAL, THEY AUTOMATICALLY ARE GIVEN FUNDING TO, IF IT'S AN AFFORDABLE PROJECT, THEY'RE AUTOMATICALLY GIVEN FUNDING BECAUSE IT'S AN ADAPTIVE REUSE PROJECT.

SO WE HAVE TO SEE HOW THIS IS GONNA PLAY OUT, BUT IT, IT IS POTENTIALLY VERY SIGNIFICANT FOR SOME OF OUR AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROGRAMS. UH, AB 1708, THIS DID NOT GO ANYWHERE, BUT IT WAS AN ATTEMPT TO AMEND PROP 47, UM, BY, UH, REQUIRING A PERSON CONVICTED OF PETTY THEFT OR SHOPLIFTING WITH TWO OR MORE PRIOR CONVICTIONS, WHICH A LOT OF THEM HAVE, UM, TO BE PUNISHED WITH IMPRISONMENT.

UM, AGAIN, INCARCERATION, THAT'S NOT GONNA GO ANYWHERE.

SO THIS DID NOT GO ANYWHERE.

UM, SSB FOUR, SOMETHING THAT WE'VE EXPERIENCED HERE, UH, IS KNOWN AS THE YBE BILL, WHICH IS OTHERWISE YES, IN GOD'S BACKYARD.

THIS MAKES AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECTS A BUYRIGHT USE, NO CUP, NO, NO, ANYTHING ON LAND OWNED BY RELIGIOUS INSTITUTIONS OR INSTITUTIONS OF HIGHER EDUCATION.

SO THE, THIS COULD POTENTIALLY BE A POSITIVE BILL IF, IF, IF ADMINISTERED CORRECTLY.

UM, IT WAS, IT WAS ADOPTED AND SIGNED BY THE GOVERNOR.

SO IT WILL BE LAW JANUARY ONE.

AND WE HAVE AN EXAMPLE OF IT HERE IN TOWN THAT'S, THAT'S SUCCESSFUL THAT, THAT MR. GOBEL WAS INVOLVED IN.

SO THIS, THIS COULD BE SOMETHING THAT IS A WAY OF, OF, UM, PROVIDING A SOURCE OF, OF HOUSING FOR THE HOMELESS.

I JUST WANNA GO INTO A FEW MORE.

SB 50.

UM, THIS, THIS WOULD PROHIBIT A POLICE OFFICER FROM STOPPING A VEHICLE JUST FOR SOME SORT OF LOW LEVEL VIOLATION.

AND, UH, I WOULD EXPECT THIS, THIS DIED.

THIS WAS APPROVED IN THE SENATE, SO THIS WAS AN SSB 50 APPROVED IN THE SENATE, BUT IT DIED IN THE ASSEMBLY.

SO I WOULD EXPECT IT TO COME BACK.

UM, THIS IS ONE OF THOSE SITUATIONS WHERE THE LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER USES HIS TRAINING TO PULL SOMEONE OVER FOR A MINOR INFRACTION, BUT THEN FINDS SOMETHING ELSE.

AND THAT SOMETHING ELSE IS USUALLY DRUGS OR GUNS OR SOMETHING ELSE THAT'S A HIGHER LEVEL OFFENSE.

AGAIN, THIS IS MEANT TO STOP THAT.

UM, SO WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE LIKELY TO SEE THIS COME BACK AND WE'LL HAVE TO MONITOR IT.

THE NEXT ONE WAS VETOED.

SO IT, IT'S ALSO GONNA GO AWAY.

BUT THIS IS LIKE, THIS IS HUGELY IMPORTANT.

SB 81 IS A BILL WHERE A, A CANDIDATE WHO HAS REACHED THEIR MINIMUM ELIGIBLE PAROLE DATE CAN MAKE A CASE FOR RELIEF BY SUBMITTING A HABEAS APPLICATION, WHICH IS A HABEAS CORPUS, UH, SUBMITTAL IS, WHY ARE YOU STILL HOLDING ME? BASICALLY, WHAT JUSTIFY YOUR REASONS FOR STILL HOLDING ME.

SO IF YOU HAVE SERVED YOUR TIME AND YOU HAVE REACHED YOUR MINIMUM, UM, ELIGIBLE PAROLE DATE, AND THE PAROLE BOARD SAYS, NO, YOU'RE STILL A DANGER.

WE DON'T, WE DON'T LIKE IT.

THAT CAN THEN BE APPEALED TO A JUDGE.

AND THE JUDGE ONLY NEEDS TO USE A PREPONDERANCE OF THE EVIDENCE, WHICH IS THE LOWEST STANDARD, UH, LOWEST EVIDENTIARY STANDARD TO DETERMINE WHETHER THE PAROLE BOARD WAS WRONG.

SO CAN OVERRULE THE PAROLE BOARD.

SO LET ME GIVE YOU A PRACTICAL EXAMPLE OF THIS.

WHAT IF YOU HAD A SERIAL KILLER WHO KILLED PEOPLE 50 YEARS AGO AND

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WAS CAUGHT, WAS IN JAIL, HAS BEEN AN A MODEL PRISONER, OKAY.

TAUGHT PEOPLE HOW TO READ, WORKED IN THE PRISON, HAS REALLY TURNED HIMSELF AROUND FOR 50 YEARS.

AND, BUT THE PAROLE BOARD IS STILL A LITTLE CONCERNED.

SO THEY DENY HIS PAROLE EACH AND EVERY TIME HE COULD ACTUALLY FILE A HABEAS PETITION, A HABEAS WRIT TO THE COURT, AND A JUDGE CAN OVERTURN THE PAROLE BOARD AND RELEASE HIM.

THE, THIS IS THE REASON WHY I POINTED OUT THAT SPECIFIC SCENARIO IS THAT IN CALIFORNIA, I'M THINKING IMMEDIATELY OF SOMEONE LIKE ED KEMPER, UH, THE SANTA CRUZ CO CO-ED KILLER, WHO'S STILL ALIVE, WHO'S BEEN UP FOR PAROLE FOR THE LAST 50 YEARS, AND HAS BEEN A MODEL PRISONER AND, BUT HAS BEEN DENIED PAROLE EACH AND EVERY TIME, AND COULD EVENTUALLY BE RELEASED UNDER SOMETHING LIKE THIS.

THE REASON WHY IT WAS VETOED IS BECAUSE THE GOVERNOR HAS HIGHER OFFICE ASPIRATIONS, AND HE CANNOT BE SEEN TO BE, UH, SIGNING OFF ON SOMETHING LIKE THIS.

BUT I THINK IN THE FUTURE, WE NEED TO BE VERY, VERY CONCERNED ABOUT SOMETHING LIKE, LIKE THIS BILL.

AND I WOULD ASSUME THAT SOMETHING LIKE IT WILL COME BACK SHORTLY.

UM, SB 94 IS A BILL THAT WOULD, UH, THAT, THAT DIED IN THE ASSEMBLY, BUT APPROVED IN THE SENATE.

SO AGAIN, IT'S GETTING THROUGH ONE BODY BUT NOT THE OTHER.

AND THAT EVENTUALLY THOSE WALLS WILL BREAK DOWN.

AND SO WE'LL LOOK AT IT GETTING APPROVED IN BOTH PLACES.

SO THIS IS A BILL THAT WOULD AUTHORIZE INDIVIDUAL SERVING A SENTENCE OF LIFE IMPRISONMENT WITHOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF PAROLE FOR A CONVICTION IN WHICH ONE OR MORE SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCES WERE FOUND TO BE TRUE TO PETITION TO RECALL THE SENTENCE.

OKAY? SO AGAIN, YOU CAN SERVE YOUR TIME UNDER CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES, AND THE YOU CAN BE RELEASED IS ESSENTIALLY WHAT THIS IS.

SO AGAIN, IT'S ALL PART OF THE PHILOSOPHY TO LESSEN INCARCERATION AND PUT PEOPLE BACK OUT ON THE STREET ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.

UM, SB 2 37, THIS WAS ANOTHER, THIS WAS WHAT'S CALLED THE REPUBLICAN VERSION OF THE SENTENCING ENHANCEMENT FOR FENTANYL.

UH, IT STRAIGHT ACROSS THE BOARD, UH, IT WOULD INCREASE SENTENCING FOR FENTANYL DEALING FROM THREE YEARS TO SEVEN.

THAT'S NOT GONNA GO ANYWHERE.

OF COURSE, THAT'S JUST WAS DEAD ON ARRIVAL.

UM, AND IT, IT DIDN'T EVEN GET OUT OF THE COMMITTEE, OKAY? WASN'T EVEN GIVEN A DEBATE ON THE FLOOR.

SO IT, IT DIDN'T MAKE IT, UM, SSB 3 25 ALSO DIED IN COMMITTEE.

THIS WAS ANOTHER FENTANYL SENTENCING ENHANCEMENT BILL.

BUT THIS ONE ANGERED A LOT OF PEOPLE BECAUSE THIS ONE WAS A SENTENCING ENHANCEMENT FOR DEALING FENTANYL WHEN IT WAS PACKAGED TO LOOK LIKE FOOD OR CANDY, WHICH HAS BEEN THE MOST COMMON WAY WE'VE SEEN FENTANYL INFILTRATE SCHOOLS LOOKING LIKE CANDY, LOOKING LIKE SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, IS ATTRACTIVE AND COLORFUL.

AND A BIG DEAL WAS MADE ABOUT THIS IN A, IN A, UH, IN A NEWS STORY.

THAT WAS ABOUT SIX OR SEVEN MONTHS AGO.

UM, BUT THIS DIDN'T EVEN GET OUTTA COMMITTEE EITHER.

AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S PART OF THE WHOLE NO MORE SENTENCING ENHANCEMENT KIND OF THING.

THE LAST, UH, THE LAST TWO I WANNA HIGHLIGHT ARE GOING TO BE THINGS THAT YOU'RE GONNA VOTE ON.

THESE ARE, THESE ARE GONNA BE ON THE BALLOT.

THE FIRST IS CALLED THE TAXPAYER PROTECTION AND GOVERNMENT ACCOUNTABILITY ACT.

AND THIS ESSENTIALLY, UH, REQUIRES A TWO-THIRDS VOTE FOR ANY TAX INCREASE OF ANY KIND.

SO IT, RIGHT NOW, IF WE PUT ON THE BALLOT, OR THIS COUNCIL DECIDES TO PUT ON THE BALLOT A SPECIALIZED TAX, LET'S SAY A PUBLIC SAFETY TAX THAT DOES NOTHING BUT SERVE PUBLIC SAFETY, THAT'S ONE VERY SPECIALIZED TAX.

SO IT REQUIRES THE 66% PLUS ONE VOTE.

UM, A MORE GENERAL TAX, LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT, UH, A PROP J RENEWAL OR, YOU KNOW, MEASURE P OR SOME, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WHICH WAS A GENERAL SERVICES TAX ONLY REQUIRES THE 50% PLUS ONE.

THIS WOULD MAKE EVERY SINGLE EFFORT TO RAISE TAXES IN CITY GOVERNMENT SUBJECT TO A TWO-THIRDS VOTE.

NOW, THERE WAS A RESPONSE TO THAT LEAGUE OF CALIFORNIA CITIES TRIED TO KILL THIS.

THIS IS BEING, UH, BACKED BY, UM, BUSINESSES ESSENTIALLY, AND LEAGUE OF CALIFORNIA CITIES TRIED TO KILL THIS.

BUT THE BEST THEY COULD DO IS OFFER A COMPETING MEASURE THAT SAID, OKAY, IF YOU ARE GOING TO FORCE EVERY SORT OF TAX MEASURE TO REQUIRE TWO THIRDS, THEN THIS MEASURE HAS TO REQUIRE TWO THIRDS.

SO, ACA 13 ACTUALLY DIRECTLY IMPACTS THE TAXPAYER PROTECTION AND GOVERNMENT ACCOUNTABILITY ACT BY REQUIRING THAT THAT FIRST MEASURE PASSED BY TWO THIRDS, BECAUSE IT'S AN EFFORT TO MAKE ALL NEW TAX MEASURES REQUIRE TWO THIRDS.

SO IF THAT DOESN'T, IF THE FIRST MEASURE DOESN'T, UH, PASS BY TWO THIRDS, THEN IT FAILS, THEN ACA 13 BECOMES, YOU KNOW, IT, IT DOESN'T MATTER AT THAT POINT.

SO, UM,

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THAT'S, THAT'S THE END.

UH, IF THERE'S ANY THAT I DIDN'T COVER, LIKE I SAID, I'M SURE THAT THIS WAS THRILLING TO YOU.

UM, IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO WALK OUT OF HERE CRYING, , UM, I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

QUESTIONS.

GO AHEAD.

I I'VE GOT TWO I'D LIKE TO PUT ON YOUR LIST.

AB 10 33 WAS SIGNED INTO LAW THAT HAS TO DO WITH ADUS.

A HOMEOWNER MAY SELL THEIR ADU TO SOMEBODY ELSE, AND THAT BECOMES LIKE A CONDO.

THAT'S GOOD NEWS THAT THE HOMEOWNER COULD MONETIZE THEIR ADU.

THE BAD NEWS IS THEY HAVE NO CONTROL OVER WHO MOVES IN.

RIGHT? UH, SO THAT'S ONE TO WATCH.

CAN JUST ASK, ASK A QUESTION ABOUT THAT.

SO WHAT HAPPENS IF THE HOMEOWNER WANTS TO SELL THE PROPERTY LATER? UH, IT'S LIKE A CONDO.

YOU CAN'T SELL THAT ADU LATER.

YOU CAN SELL EVERYTHING AROUND IT, YOUR HOUSE AND THE, AND THE HOUSE AROUND IT.

BUT THAT ADU YOU CANNOT, YOU CANNOT SELL.

'CAUSE YOU, YOU SOLD IT ALREADY TO SOMEBODY ELSE.

AND WITHOUT SPLITTING WHAT? WITHOUT SPLITTING THE LOT.

IT'S LIKE A CONDO ASSOCIATION.

SEEMS LIKE A REALLY STRANGE IDEA.

IT'S, IT, IT'S WEIRD.

UH, AB 6 45 WAS SIGNED INTO LAW.

I'D LIKE TO THANK THE CHIEF OF POLICE FOR MENTIONING THIS ONE.

THIS IS A LAW ONLY IN SIX COUNTIES IN CALIFORNIA THROUGH 2032, BUT COULD GO FURTHER.

UH, THIS IS A SCARY ONE.

THIS IS NOT A, A RED LIGHT CAMERA, BUT A SPEED ENFORCEMENT CAMERA.

UH, THIS CAMERA WILL TAKE A PICTURE OF YOUR LICENSE PLATE ONLY AND WILL ISSUE YOU A TICKET FOR SPEEDING.

IF YOU'RE DRIVING 11 MILES OR MORE ABOVE THE SPEED LIMIT, THERE'S NO PROOF WHO IS DRIVING THE CAR BECAUSE IT ONLY TAKES A PICTURE OF THE LICENSE PLATE, WHICH IS ODD.

SO, UH, WHAT THEY'RE DOING IS NOT ASSIGNING ANY POINTS TO A DRIVER 'CAUSE THEY DON'T KNOW WHO THE DRIVER IS.

THE ODD PART IS, I ASSUME THE AUTHOR OF THE BILL WAS SAYING, WELL, IF IT WASN'T YOU DRIVING THE PERSON ON THE TOP LINE OF THE REGISTRATION, IT MUST HAVE BEEN SOMEBODY IN YOUR HOUSE.

SO WE'RE GONNA PENALIZE ALL OF YOU.

AND SO THE CAR BECOMES A GROUP DRIVING THING AT THAT POINT.

THAT ONE'S A LITTLE DANGEROUS.

IT'S NOT HAPPENING IN ANY OTHER COUNTY FOR NOW, BUT IF IT'S IN SIX COUNTIES UNTIL 2032, WE'VE SEEN MANY THINGS THAT ARE INCREMENTALISM IN THAT.

SO THAT'S ONE I'M A LITTLE PESSIMISTIC THE STATE IS GONNA HOLD BACK ON.

MM-HMM, , I HAD A QUICK QUESTION.

UH, THANK YOU, VINCE.

UM, YOU'VE UPLIFTED MY SPIRITS IMMENSELY.

AB 1490, THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING ADAPTIVE REUSE.

A LOT OF THE TIMES IN THE LEGISLATURE, WE'VE SEEN A CONTINGENCY SAYING THAT THERE HAS TO BE A PREVAILING WAGE REQUIREMENT FOR THESE TYPES OF BILLS.

IS THERE A PREVAILING WAGE REQUIREMENT IN THIS ONE? I WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK, BUT MY ASSUMPTION IS THAT IF THEY DID QUALIFY THEN FOR SOME SORT OF FUNDING FROM THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT, THAT THAT WOULD TRIGGER PREVAILING WAGE LOSS.

SO I, WITHOUT PROBABLY GIVING YOU A FOR SURE, I, I WOULD HAVE TO SAY YES, BASED UPON CURRENT LAW, IT PROBABLY DOES.

AND, AND IT'S 100% AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

IT'S NOT MIXED OR, THAT'S RIGHT.

OKAY.

AND THEN ONE I WANNA PUT ON YOUR LIST, UH, SB 43, UH, THE CHANGES TO THE CONSERV CONSERVATORSHIP LAWS IN CALIFORNIA, UH, PEOPLE BEING, UH, DESIGNATED AS GRAVELY MENTALLY ILL, UM, I, I KNOW IT SEEMS LIKE THAT'S GONNA WORK IN TANDEM WITH CARE COURT TO SOME DEGREE, AND I'D, I'D LIKE OUR CITY TO BE NUMBER ONE WITH REGARD TO HOW WE'RE ANALYZING THE LAW, HOW IT'S GONNA BE PRACTICALLY APPLIED AND PUSHING THE ENVELOPE WITH REGARD TO MAKING REFERRALS TO PEOPLE ON THE STREET.

YEAH.

THE MAIN, THE MAIN CHANGE WITH THAT ONE IS, UH, OF COURSE IT WAS APPROVED BY BOTH HOUSES AND SIGNED, SO IT WILL BE LAW JANUARY ONE.

AND ONE OF THE IMPORTANT CHANGES THERE, IT CHANGES THE HEARSAY LAW.

SO IT BASICALLY ALLOWS A DOCTOR TO COME IN, TESTIFY BEFORE THE CONSERVATORSHIP HEARING AND ACTUALLY ATTEST TO THE CONDITION OF THE PERSON SUBJECT TO THE CONSERVATORSHIP MM-HMM.

WITHOUT THAT TESTIMONY BEING CONSIDERED HEARSAY.

SO THAT'S WHAT REALLY GIVES THE STRENGTH TO THE PIECE OF LEGISLATION.

GOT IT.

BECAUSE YOU GET A PROFESSIONAL TO COME IN AND SAY, THIS IS WHY THE CONSERVATORSHIP NEEDS TO HAPPEN BECAUSE THIS PERSON IS X, Y, OR Z.

RIGHT.

BASED OFF OF THE PHYSICIAN'S DIAGNOSIS.

RIGHT.

THANK YOU.

COULD WE GET A, UH, A FULL LIST OF THE, THE CHANGES OF THAT, THAT LAW? YES, ABSOLUTELY.

BRINGS FORTH, YEAH.

THANK I APPRECIATE THAT.

MM-HMM.

.

ANYBODY ELSE? VINCE? THANK YOU.

YOU WELCOME.

OKAY.

[16. Mayor and City Council Cafeteria Benefits Review RECOMMENDATION: That the City Council adopts the next Resolution, in order, adjusting the cafeteria benefit allotment from $1,350 per month to $1,450 per month, effective January 2024, for Mayor and City Councilmembers.]

THE SECOND ADMINISTRATIVE REPORT, I'M 16 IS FOR MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL CAFETERIA BENEFITS.

AND I'LL ASK STAFF TO TELL US ABOUT THIS.

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HI MARISOL.

HI.

GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.

I'M HERE TO BRING FORTH THE REPORT FOR THE CITY COUNCIL CAFETERIA REVIEW.

SO THAT IS THE BENEFIT ALLOTMENT FOR YOUR MONTHLY, UM, HEALTH BENEFITS.

AND JUST LIKE PRIOR YEARS, WE ARE RECOMMENDING ALIGNMENT WITH THE MUNICIPAL EMPLOYEE GROUPS AS WELL AS THE OTHER MISS MISCELLANEOUS GROUPS OF 1450 A MONTH.

SO THAT IS A HUNDRED DOLLARS MORE A MONTH PER YEAR, STARTING JANUARY 1ST, 2024.

AND I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

ANY QUESTIONS? UM, HAS IT BEEN, UM, THE POLICY GENERALLY THAT, THAT THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL'S CAFETERIA BENEFITS ALIGN WITH THE REST OF THE STAFF? HAVE WE DONE THAT? YES.

IN RECENT YEARS WE HAVE DONE THAT.

SO EVERY TIME THE MUNICIPAL EMPLOYEE GROUPS HAVE GOTTEN AN INCREASE, WE ALIGN THAT WITH THE MUNICIPAL EMPLOYEE GROUPS.

ALRIGHT, APPRECIATE THAT.

THANK YOU.

OKAY, LEMME GO BACK HERE A SECOND.

ARE THERE ANY, UH, PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THIS? NO SPEAKER, SIR.

OKAY.

I'M LOOKING FOR A MOTION OR, OR DISCUSSION.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.

SECOND.

ALRIGHT, PLEASE VOTE.

MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE BEFORE WE GO TO THE LAST, UM, ADMINISTRATIVE REPORT AND BEFORE ALL THE KIDS FALL ASLEEP, I JUST, UM, WHERE ARE YOU GUYS FROM? ALL THE STUDENTS, VALHALLA.

AND YOU CAME HERE BECAUSE THIS WOULD BE A FUN THING TO DO ON TUESDAY AFTERNOON.

ARE THEY? NO, THEY WERE REQUIRED.

THEY FORCED YOU? YEAH.

OKAY.

WHAT'S THAT? I'VE STEAL CANDY.

OH, GOOD.

AND, AND YOU THE AND THE GOOD KIDS FROM STEEL CAN EVEN WANTED TO COME HERE.

.

? NO.

OKAY.

NOW THANK YOU ALL FOR ATTENDING.

WE, WE APPRECIATE IT.

ALRIGHT, THE LAST ADMINISTRATIVE

[17. Small Business Revolving Loan Program RECOMMENDATION: That the City Council provides feedback on the concept of a small business revolving loan program and its interest in allocating up to $300,000 toward the fund.]

REPORT, ITEM 17 IS FOR THE SMALL BUSINESS REVOLVING LOAN PROGRAM.

AND I'LL ASK OUR CITY MANAGER TO TELL US ABOUT THIS.

SO, MR. MAYOR, I'M NOT QUITE SURE WHY YOU FELT THAT STUDENTS HAD FALL ASLEEP RIGHT BEFORE MY REPORT WAS GIVEN , SO I DUNNO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING THERE.

SO, WELL, I DIDN'T WANT TO, I DIDN'T WANT IT TO HAPPEN TO YOU AND THEN, AND HAVE IT BE YOUR FAULT.

THAT'S FAIR.

OKAY.

THAT'S FAIR.

WELL, I WON'T BE VERY LONG ON THIS ONE.

UM, ONE OF THE TOOLS THAT LOCAL GOVERNMENTS HAVE IN THEIR, I GUESS YOU CALL IT THEIR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT QUIVER, IS THE IDEA OF A REVOLVING LOAN FUND.

AND TYPICALLY A REVOLVING LOAN FUND IS SET UP BY A GROUP OF MUNICIPALITIES OR A GOVERNMENT AGENCIES AND A COUPLE BANKS, AND THEY LEND OUT MONEY, USUALLY MICRO LOANS, SMALLER THAN TYPICAL LOANS TO BUSINESSES THAT WOULD OTHERWISE NOT QUALIFY, BE EITHER, EITHER THEY'RE, THEY'RE BRAND NEW OR THEY DON'T HAVE A REVENUE HISTORY.

AND THESE REVOLVING LOAN FUNDS, UH, AS THE MONIES COME BACK AND LOAN PAYMENTS ARE THEN RECYCLED BACK INTO OTHER LOANS.

AND WHAT MAKES THESE PROFITABLE OR OR AT LEAST, UM, FUNCTIONAL, IS THAT THEY'RE NOT THERE.

THERE'S NOT A NEED FOR A RETURN ON INVESTMENT.

THERE'S NO SHAREHOLDERS BEHIND THAT THAT HAVE TO GET THEIR, THEIR INCOME.

IT JUST HAS TO BREAK EVEN.

AND THAT MONEY CAN KEEP REVOLVING BACK IN GOING THROUGH AND THROUGH AND THROUGH.

SO, UM, STAFF RECENTLY ATTENDED A MEETING WITH THE ASSISTANT SECRETARY OF COMMERCE OVER THE UNITED STATES ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ADMINISTRATION.

HER NAME'S, UH, ALEJANDRA CASTILLO.

AND DURING THAT MEETING WE LEARNED ABOUT A LOT OF DIFFERENT FEDERAL GRANT OPPORTUNITIES, INCLUDING THE ABILITY TO CREATE A REVOLVING LOAN FUND.

AND FOR EVERY DOLLAR LOCALLY CONTRIBUTED, THE EDA WOULD CONTRIBUTE A DOLLAR AS WELL.

UM, MORE IMPORTANTLY THAN LEARNING THAT INFORMATION, IS IT ACTUALLY CONNECTED CITY STAFF WITH A COUPLE OF FOLKS FROM THE COUNTY OF SAN DIEGO AND, UM, THE CITY OF SAN DIEGO? WE LEARNED A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THEIR REVOLVING LOAN FUND AND IT GOT A CONVERSATION BETWEEN, UH, ME, THE OTHER EAST COUNTY CITY MANAGERS, THE COUNTY'S ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT MANAGER, AND JAMES SLY FROM THE EAST COUNTY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COUNT COUNCIL ABOUT ESTABLISHING OR THE POSSIBILITY OF ESTABLISHING AN EAST COUNTY REVOLVING SMALL BUSINESS REVOLVING LOAN FUND.

UH, UH, MR. SLY BELIEVES THAT IF THE CITIES OF EAST COUNTY AND THE GOVERNMENT, THE COUNTY OF AS WELL COULD COME UP WITH HALF A MILLION DOLLARS IN FUNDING, THAT MONEY COULD THEN BE MATCHED WITH A LOT OF DIFFERENT SOURCES, INCLUDING FROM THE EDA DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE, SBA, SOME OTHER BANKS THAT ARE REQUIRED TO DO SOME MICRO COMMUNITY LENDING THAT THAT THAT HALF A MILLION DOLLAR POOL COULD GROW TO THAT OF, OF $7 MILLION LOAN FUND, WHICH IS SUBSTANTIAL AND WOULD BE ENOUGH TO GET A, A LEGITIMATE PROGRAM OPERATING.

ONE OF THE CHALLENGES TO ANY OF THESE PROGRAMS IS WHO'S

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GONNA GO FIRST BECAUSE THERE HAS TO BE SOME LEVEL OF COMMITMENT IN ORDER TO GO OUT AND FURTHER THE CONVERSATION AND TELL, UH, THESE OTHER FUNDING SOURCES THAT WE'RE SERIOUS ABOUT IT.

AND SO WHEN I HEARD THAT, I THOUGHT, UM, THE CITY OF EL CAJON HAS BEEN A LEADER IN THESE COUNTY, AND AND I THINK THERE'S SOME VALUE IN THAT, AND I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THE CITY COUNCIL CONSIDER US BEING ONE OF THE FIRST TO COMMIT MONEY TO THIS.

I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE COMMIT $300,000 OF THE HALF A MILLION DOLLARS THAT WE NEED TO RAISE LOCALLY.

THE OTHER $200,000 WOULD COME FROM THE COUNTY OF SAN DIEGO AND THE OTHER THREE CITIES IN, IN TALKING TO THEM.

IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY'VE ALL AGREED TO OR THEY COULD BE ON BOARD WITH, BUT I THINK THEY'RE WAITING FOR OUR LEADERSHIP TO TAKE THE FIRST STEP.

UM, WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND AT THIS TIME IS WE'RE NOT LOOKING FOR A BUDGET AMENDMENT, UH, REALLY MORE FEEDBACK ON WHETHER THIS IS SOMETHING YOU WOULD LIKE THE THE CITY TO PURSUE.

IF THAT'S THE CASE, WE'LL COME BACK AT A LATER DATE WITH AN ACTUAL BUDGET AMENDMENT AND TO, UM, TECHNICALLY ALLOCATE THAT MONEY TO THIS FUND FOR WHEN, WHENEVER IT IS CREATED.

BUT, UM, A POSITIVE FEEDBACK FROM THE CITY COUNCIL WOULD ALLOW US TO TAKE THE NEXT STEPS TO TRY TO SECURE OTHER FUNDING FROM OUR OTHER NEIGHBORING CITIES.

SO WITH THAT, UM, STAFF'S HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE AND, UM, GET SOME DIRECTION FROM THE COUNCIL.

GREAT.

COUNCIL, ANY QUESTIONS, GARY? WELL, SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD IDEA.

TO ME.

300,000 MIGHT GET YOU 7 MILLION AND OUR SMALL BUSINESSES COULD CERTAINLY USE THE MONEY AND I LIKE THE IDEA OF IT, UH, COMING BACK TO THE FUND WHEN THEY PAY IT OFF.

SO I, I THINK THIS IS GREAT.

DO YOU SEE THE 300,000 AS A ONE-TIME OUTLAY, OR WOULD YOU SEE AN ANNUAL OUTLAY NEEDED? UM, I WOULD SEE IT INITIALLY AS A ONE-TIME FUND.

TYPICALLY, WHEN YOU HAVE A FUND, THERE'S ACTUALLY TWO DIFFERENT FUNDS.

THERE'S A, A CAPITAL, UH, THE LENDING FUND, THE POOL FUND, AND THEN THERE'S SORT OF AN OPERATIONAL FUND.

AND AT SOME POINT, ONCE THE MONEY GETS LENT OUT AND STARTS COMING BACK IN, THE INTEREST FROM THAT ACTUALLY WILL FUND THE OPERATIONS.

BUT I THINK IF, I THINK THE FIRST $7 MILLION WOULD BE ENOUGH TO NOT HAVE TO REQUIRE ANNUAL CONTRIBUTIONS, BUT IN A LOT OF PLACES, LIKE THE SAN GABRIEL VALLEY UP IN LA COUNTY HAS ONE, THERE'S A VERY MINOR CONTRIBUTION FROM EVERY CITY JUST TO KIND OF KEEP IT ALIVE.

BUT AT THIS POINT, I DON'T THINK THAT'S BEING CONTEMPLATED.

IT'S JUST A ONE-TIME INVESTMENT.

SO I, I'D SUGGEST THAT'S AN APPROPRIATE USE OF OUR RESERVES, UH, SINCE THAT'S KIND OF A ONE-TIME POOL OF MONEY.

MY SECOND QUESTION WOULD BE THE PEOPLE OF EL CAJON WOULD PROBABLY SAY, HEY, IF WE'RE CONTRIBUTING 300 TO THE 500,000, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE GET THE LION'S SHARE OF MONEY AVAILABLE TO LEND FOR OUR RESIDENTS.

IF WE'RE BACKBONING THIS THING, IS THERE, UH, SOME KIND OF LANGUAGE THAT WE COULD PUT IN SOMETHING SOMEWHERE THAT A CITY THAT CONTRIBUTES $50,000 DOESN'T GET HALF OF THE LOAN FUNDS? YEAH.

DO YOU SEE WHAT THE CONCERN OF THE PEOPLE WOULD BE? CLEARLY WE'RE NOT THAT FAR DOWN THE PIKE, BUT HOWEVER, MOST OF THESE LOAN FUNDS HAVE THAT TYPE OF LANGUAGE IN THERE.

THOSE THAT CONTRIBUTE THE MOST ALSO GET THE BIGGEST BANG.

THAT'D BE GREAT.

THANKS.

I I, I LOVE THE IDEA CONSIDERING THAT THE CITY IS WORKING TO ESTABLISH THE BUSINESS INCUBATOR, UM, WHICH WE APPROVED RECENT.

UH, SO, UM, THAT BEING SAID, I, I LOVE IT.

I HAD A COUPLE QUESTIONS.

GRAHAM.

UM, THESE PROGRAMS, I'M ASSUMING THAT THE INTEREST RATES ARE FIXED BASED OFF OF FEDERAL POLICIES SIMILAR TO SBA LOANS OR WELL, YEAH, THERE, THERE WOULD BE AN SBA LINKED TO IT, BUT SINCE IT'S OUR OWN REVOLVING LOAN FUND, I THINK WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE FLEXIBILITY.

SO, UM, IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE BELOW MARKET INTEREST RATES BECAUSE OTHERWISE SOME OF THESE BANKS COULD GO OUT AND JUST GET THEIR OWN FINANCING.

THAT'S GREAT.

SO THEY ARE, THEY ARE, I MEAN, YOU JUST HAVE TO KNOW THEY'RE HIGHER RISK THAN TYPICAL.

THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT AS A HIGH INTEREST RATE, BUT IN PART, UH, YOU'RE TRYING TO CREATE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE BUSINESS TO GROW, NOT TO HAMSTRINGING THEM ON A LOAN PAYMENT.

AND SO, AND AGAIN, A LOT OF THESE ARE MICRO LOANS, YOU KNOW, $15,000 FOR AN ENGRAVING, UH, MACHINE, THESE TYPES OF LENDING, UH, PRACTICES.

SO IT IS A, IT IS A LITTLE RISKIER.

THERE'S AN ANTICIPATION OF LOSS OF RE FUNDS, BUT YOU ALSO, UM, GO INTO IT KNOWING THAT.

YEAH.

UM, AND IS, WOULD IT BE FOR EXISTING BUSINESSES OR NEW BUSINESSES? I, I, I THINK, I MEAN, FIRST OF ALL, IT HAS TO, THEY HAVE TO HAVE SOME KIND OF TRUCTURE S WHOEVER'S RUNNING THE PROGRAM, IT WOULD BE FOOLISH TO JUST LEND OUT MONEY FOR WHATEVER.

THERE HAS TO BE SOME ABILITY TO PAY THAT MONEY BACK.

AND SO I THINK, UM, THERE'D BE A LOT OF STARTUPS, BUT THERE'D ALSO BE SMALL, NEWER BUSINESSES THAT DON'T HAVE A LONG TRACK RECORD OR MAYBE A NEW BUSINESS OR A BUSINESS THAT'S TRYING TO EXPAND IN AN AREA THAT

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THEY DON'T HAVE A TRACK RECORD IN.

RIGHT.

I CAN SEE, I CAN SEE THAT THOSE WOULD BE SOME OF THE SCENARIOS THAT THE LENDING WOULD HELP.

THE, THE OTHER THING THAT IT ALLOWS US TO DO, I SHOULDN'T SAY US WHOEVER'S RUNNING THE PROGRAM, IT ALLOWS THEM TO DO SOME BUSINESS CONSULTING AS WELL.

SO, UH, AN APPLICANT COMES FORWARD WITH A BUSINESS IDEA AND MAYBE IT'S NOT FLUSHED OUT ENOUGH, THEN THEY CONNECT WITH BUSINESS RESOURCES THAT LET'S SAY THE E-C-E-D-C OFFERS AND THEY CAN DEVELOP A MORE SECURE BUSINESS PLAN.

THEY CAN LINE UP SOME OTHER MARKETING OPPORTUNITIES AND MAYBE EVEN SOME INVESTMENT OPPORTUNITY.

SO IT, IT'S ACTUALLY A WAY TO PARLAY REALLY WELL WITH THE BUSINESS INCUBATOR PROGRAM TO SUPPORT ON A DIFFERENT SIDE OF THE INCUBATION.

AND, AND SPEAKING OF MANAGING IT, WHO, WHO, WHO WOULD MANAGE IT? WOULD IT BE AJPA OR WOULD IT BE A BOARD OR? WELL, I THINK WE'D HAVE TO COME TO THAT POINT AT SOME POINT.

I MEAN, I, I WOULD RECOMMEND EARLY ON THIS WORK IS ALREADY BEING DONE BY ONE ENTITY IN, IN EAST COUNTY.

THAT'S THE E-C-E-D-C.

THEY'RE THE ONES THAT DO THE MAJORITY OF SBA LENDING.

UM, IT WOULD BE THEM OR AN ORGANIZATION LIKE THAT.

RIGHT.

THAT WOULD, WE WOULD CONTRACT WITH THEIR OPERATE.

THAT'S FANTASTIC.

YEAH.

I KNOW NORMALLY WHEN, WHEN THERE'S A LOAN, A BANK IS INVOLVED WITH, UH, THE, A LOAN FOR A BUSINESS, I MEAN, THEY'RE LOOKING AT P AND LSS AND THE VIABILITY AND, AND THE MARKET, AND THEY'LL, THE BANK WILL REALLY DETERMINE WHETHER, UH, A BUS SOMEONE CAN PURCHASE A BUSINESS OR NOT, WHETHER THAT REVENUE IS BASED.

SO IF THEY'RE ALREADY OPERATING IT, WE'D WANT, I WOULD WANT THAT SOME, SOMEONE WITH THAT EXPERTISE, SIMILAR TO WHAT A BANK HAS SAYING YES, THEIR PRO, THEIR, THEIR PROFIT AND LOSS AND THEIR MARGINS ARE IN A GOOD SPOT AND, YOU KNOW, THEIR EXPANSION PLAN.

SO I, I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA, MR. ORTIZ, HAVING, HAVING DONE ONE OF THESE IN A DIFFERENT AGENCY, IT WAS EXACTLY WHAT YOU EXPLAINED.

LIKE WHEN YOU GO AND GET A BUSINESS LOAN FROM A BANK, THERE'S A SCORE SHEET AND THERE'S, THERE'S A WHOLE CRITERIA.

SAME THING WOULD APPLY AND YOU WOULD HAVE PROFESSIONALS THAT WOULD BE REVIEWING THAT.

IT, IT WOULD NOT BE VINCE OR I REVIEWING THAT AND SAYING, OH YEAH, THIS BUSINESS MAKES SENSE.

UM, YOU'D HAVE PEOPLE THAT ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING WHEN IT COMES TO LENDING THAT THEY WOULD BE SCORING, BUT IT WOULD BE ON A DIFFERENT CRITERIA WITH DIFFERENT AMOUNTS.

THANK YOU.

I HAVE, UM, JUST A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.

UM, WE HAVE A LOT OF SMALL BUSINESS, UH, PEOPLE IN EL CAJON, A LOT OF FOOD MAKERS, UM, BOWS, UH, CAR DETAILERS.

I MEAN, THERE'S A, A TON OF VERY SMALL BUSINESSES.

CAN YOU GIVE ME AN EXAMPLE OF A BUSINESS THAT WOULD BENEFIT FROM THIS TYPE OF LOAN, JUST TO KIND OF ILLUMINATE THAT FOR ME A LITTLE BIT? WELL, I THINK YOU JUST MENTIONED A LOT AND IT, I MEAN, I, I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE.

MAYBE A, A BUSINESS THAT NEEDS TO EXPAND THEIR KITCHEN AND THEY NEED, UH, SOME KITCHEN EQUIPMENT THAT COULD BE USED FOR THAT.

UM, YOU USE THE IDEA OF A CAR DEALER OR A CAR DETAILER, MAYBE THEY NEED SOME CLEANING EQUIPMENT OR SOME VACUUM EQUIPMENT OR A OXIDIZERS, THINGS LIKE THAT.

IT COULD BE FOR SMALL PURCHASES, BUT IT COULD BE FOR MARKETING AS WELL.

IT COULD BE ANYTHING YOU'D GET A BUSINESS LOAN FOR, FOR SOME EXPANSION OR GROWTH.

I'LL GIVE YOU, I, I CAN GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE.

THERE'S A BUSINESS HERE IN EL CAJON, PURE LIGHT.

THEY DO CLEANING AND RESTORATION.

MM-HMM.

.

AND THE OWNER JUST GOT A NEW CERTIFICATION TO USE A PRODUCT.

HE INVESTED HIS TIME AND A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY, BUT HE NEEDS THE EQUIPMENT IN ORDER TO PROVIDE THAT SERVICE TO CLEAN THE SPECIALIST TYPE OF STONE.

AND HE ALREADY HAS THE CONTACTS IN THE COMMUNITY, BUT HE JUST NEEDS THIS NEW PIECE OF EQUIPMENT THAT'S $20,000.

UM, HE CAN PAY IT OFF BECAUSE HE HAS THE CERTIFICATION.

SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, THAT'S AN EXAMPLE.

OKAY.

YEAH.

THANK YOU.

BECAUSE I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE, THEY, THEY HEAR THIS LARGE, UH, POT OF MONEY BEING AVAILABLE, UM, TO BUSINESS OWNERS, BUT IF YOU'RE NOT INVOLVED IN BUSINESS, IT'S LIKE, WELL, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? YOU KNOW, WHO CAN APPLY FOR IT? AND, UM, AND IT COULD BE, WOULD THIS BE AVAILABLE FOR BUSINESS OWNERS WHO ARE LIVE IN THE UNINCORPORATED AREAS OF EL CAJON? IN MY MIND, IF THE, IF THE EAST COUNTY RE BUSINESS BUSINESS, SMALL BUSINESS REVOLVING LOAN FUND INCLUDES COUNTY MONEY, I THINK IT WOULD APPLY TO ANYBODY IN EAST COUNTY.

UM, ALTHOUGH I THINK THOSE DETAILS WOULD HAVE TO BE DETERMINED AS WE'RE MOVING ALONG.

OKAY.

AND I THINK BEFORE THE COUNCIL ACTUALLY WRITES THE CHECK OR AUTHORIZES WRITING THE CHECK, WE SHOULD HAVE ALL THAT FLESHED OUT.

SURE.

SO THIS IS JUST THE INITIAL DISCUSSION TO DECIDE, IS THIS SOMETHING YOU WANT US TO PURSUE? OKAY.

BECAUSE I'M JUST THINKING OF LIKE UN IN THE UNINCORPORATED AREA.

MY GRANDSON LIVES IN THE UNINCORPORATED AREA.

HE HAS HIS OWN BUSINESS,

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AND HE MIGHT NEED A NEW TUFTING MACHINE OR A, A MACHINE TO DO HIS T-SHIRTS.

AND A LIKE, UM, IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT HE MIGHT WANT TO GO AHEAD AND APPLY FOR THE LOAN, NOT THAT HE IS, BUT , YOU KNOW, IT'D BE SOMETHING FOR HIM TO APPLY FOR AS WELL.

BUT WE'D HAVE TO GET BUY-IN FROM THE COUNTY IN ORDER FOR HIM TO APPLY SINCE HE LIVES IN CREST VERSUS THE INCORPORATED PARK.

CORRECT.

YEAH.

I, I DUNNO HOW TO ANSWER THAT.

OKAY.

I'M JUST, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK WE'RE READY AT THAT POINT, SO I'M NOT QUITE SURE.

SURE.

I WAS JUST KIND OF CURIOUS.

THANK YOU.

OKAY.

ANYBODY ELSE? OKAY, THANKS VERY MUCH.

UH, LET'S SEE HERE.

UH, ANGELA, WE HAVE SPEAKER CARDS ON THIS ITEM.

NO SPEAKER CARDS, SIR.

ALRIGHT.

DO YOU NEED A MOTION? UH, I THINK IF THE COUNCIL GAVE DIRECTION AND, UM, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO ME.

BUT IF THE COUNCIL WANTED TO MAKE A MOTION TO, TO CONSIDER CONTRIBUTING MONEY.

UM, KNOWING THAT A FORMAL REQUEST WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK AT A LATER DATE, THAT WOULD BE A LITTLE MORE POWERFUL.

OKAY.

WELL, I, I'LL, I'LL MAKE, UNLESS IS THERE MORE DISCUSSION? I'LL, I'LL MAKE A MOTION THEN TO ALLOCATE $300,000 AS A, UM, THAT IS A, UH, HOW ABOUT CONDITIONALLY APPROVED? CONDITIONALLY APPROVED, YEAH.

EXPLORING THE APPROPRIATION.

I'LL, I'LL ADOPT THAT.

WHAT, WHAT HE SAID SECOND.

ALRIGHT, THANKS.

PLEASE VOTE.

MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.

THANK YOU.

ALRIGHT, THERE ARE NO COMMISSION REPORTS ON TODAY'S AGENDA.

AND ITEM

[18. Council Activity Report]

18 IS MY ACTIVITIES REPORT, WHICH IS AS REPORTED.

WE'RE

[19. DEPUTY MAYOR STEVE GOBLE MTS (Metropolitan Transit System Board); East County Advanced Water Purification Joint Powers Authority Board; Chamber of Commerce – Government Affairs Committee; SANDAG – Board of Directors – Alternate; SANDAG Public Safety Committee – Alternate.]

NOW AT ACTIVITIES REPORTS FOR THE COUNCIL MEMBERS, DEPUTY MAYOR STEVE GOBEL.

UH, AS REPORTED WITH A COMMENT ON MTS, UH, LAST, LAST MONTH, WE DID A, UH, FAIR ENFORCEMENT EVENT DOWN AT THE EL CAJON TRANSIT STATION.

IT WAS FROM 4:00 PM TO 8:00 PM ON ONE DAY.

IF YOU RECALL, UH, THE FAIR EVASION RATE WAS 34%.

ONE THIRD OF THE PEOPLE RIDING THE TROLLEY ON THAT DATE AT THAT TIME DID NOT HAVE A FAIR, THEY WERE DETAINED, THEY WERE ASKED FOR THEIR NAME IDENTIFICATION.

THOSE THAT DIDN'T PROVIDE, THOSE WERE, UH, ESCORTED INTO ANOTHER AREA FOR FURTHER, UH, INVESTIGATION.

WE ARRESTED ONE INDIVIDUAL WHO WAS FROM THE STATE OF OREGON ON THE RUN SINCE MAY FOR A PAROLE VIOLATION BECAUSE OF HIS ORIGINAL CRIME WAS AGAINST A CHILD.

AND SO WE TOOK THAT DANGEROUS INDIVIDUAL OUT OF SERVICE AND HAS BEEN EXTRADITED BACK TO OREGON AS FAR AS I KNOW.

UH, THE SECOND EVENT HAPPENED IN LA MESA LAST WEEK, I BELIEVE IT WAS, OR TWO WEEKS AGO NOW.

SAME RESULTS.

34% OF THE PEOPLE RIDING THE TROLLEY THEN WERE NOT CARRYING A FARE.

SO YOU CAN SEE THE IMPORTANCE OF THE NEED TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL, UH, ENFORCEMENT OF PEOPLE PAYING FARES WHO RIDE THE TROLLEY.

JUST LIKE IN EL CAJON, THEY ALSO ARRESTED A PERSON, UH, WHO WAS, UH, PERHAPS DANGEROUS.

HE WAS A PERSON OF INTEREST IN A HOMICIDE INVESTIGATION.

SO THAT PERSON WAS TAKEN OFF OF THE TROLLEY AND, UH, REMOVED AND PROCESSED AS WELL.

SO RECENTLY THE MTS BOARD HAS, THE MAJORITY OF THE BOARD HAS SHIFTED FROM A POSITION OF NO ENFORCEMENT IN TERM IN THE NAME OF EQUITY TO REALIZING THERE'S A PROBLEM WITH PUBLIC SAFETY HERE WITH RIDING THE TROLLEY.

AND PEOPLE DON'T WANNA RIDE THE TROLLEY IF THEY REALIZE THAT THERE ARE DANGEROUS PEOPLE RIDING THE TROLLEY OR NOT PAYING IT.

SO THAT BOARD MAJORITY, UH, POSITION HAS SHIFTED AND IT'S NOW ABOUT SAFETY.

RECENTLY THE BOARD AUTHORIZED $4 MILLION TO INCREASE THE NUMBER OF FAIR COMPLIANCE CHECKERS, UH, BY 50% FROM 62 TO A HUNDRED.

AND SO IT'S LOOKING GOOD THAT, AND THAT HIRING PROCESS HAS BEGUN.

SO, UH, THE MTS BOARD HAS HEARD THE PUBLIC JUST SAYING, WE'RE NOT GONNA RIDE IT UNLESS IT'S MORE SAFE.

IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON MTS ABOUT HAVING ARMED SECURITY PERSONNEL ON THE, ON THE TROLLEYS THEMSELVES? NO.

IT'S PART OF SOMETIMES, UH, AN ARMED CONTRACTOR WE'LL RIDE WITH AN MTS CODE INSPECTOR IN A TEAM OF TWO OTHER TIMES IT'S JUST A TEAM OF TWO FAIR CHECKERS AS WELL.

SO IT DEPENDS ON THE SITUATION, BUT THERE HAS NOT BEEN ANY TALK OF PLACING ARMED GUARDS ON TROLLEYS AS A REGULAR OCCURRENCE.

THANK YOU.

ALRIGHT, MR. KENDRICK?

[20. COUNCILMEMBER GARY KENDRICK METRO Commission/Wastewater JPA; Heartland Communications; Heartland Fire Training JPA.]

UH, AS REPORTED, BUT WITH A COUPLE OF ADJUSTMENTS, I DID NOT ATTEND THE HAUNT FEST, BUT I DID ATTEND A, UH, METROPOLITAN WASTEWATER MEETING THIS MORNING.

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OH, THANK YOU MR. ORTIZ.

[22. COUNCILMEMBER PHIL ORTIZ League of California Cities, San Diego Division; East County Economic Development Council; MTS (Metropolitan Transit System Board) – Alternate; East County Advanced Water Purification Joint Powers Authority Board – Alternate; Chamber of Commerce – Government Affairs Committee – Alternate.]

AS REPORTED AND, UH, WITH AN ADDITION, I DID ATTEND THE HAUNT AND FEST JUDGING, AND A BIG THANK YOU TO FRANK CARSON, OUR DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND RECREATION, AND HIS ENTIRE STAFF.

I MEAN, THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE AND THE COORDINATION FROM THE ENTIRE ALL, ALL CITY STAFF, POLICE, EVERYBODY WHO WAS INVOLVED FIRE.

IT WAS AN INCREDIBLE EVENT.

SO MANY PEOPLE HAD SO MUCH FUN.

I MEAN, THE ESTIMATIONS WAS PROBABLY WHAT, LIKE 30,000 PEOPLE WOULD YOU SAY? YES, NO, YES.

OR HIGHER.

40,000 HEIGHT.

LOWER 35.

I FEEL LIKE I'M ON THE PRICES.

RIGHT.

33.

33.

FANTASTIC.

SO HOPEFULLY WE'LL GET A PRESENTATION ABOUT, ABOUT THAT IN THE FUTURE.

I'D LOVE TO SEE SOME PICTURES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

BUT, UM, THANK YOU.

THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR HARD WORK.

WELL DONE FRIDAY.

THAT WAS TO THE WHOLE STAFF.

THAT WAS A GREAT TIME MS. MITCHELL

[21. COUNCILMEMBER MICHELLE METSCHEL Harry Griffen Park Joint Steering Committee; METRO Commission/Wastewater JPA – Alternate; Heartland Communications – Alternate; Heartland Fire Training JPA – Alternate.]

AS REPORTED, NO COMMENTS.

OKAY.

THERE ARE NO JOINT COUNCIL MEMBER REPORTS AND NO GENERAL INFORMATION ITEMS ON TODAY'S AGENDA.

THERE ARE NO FIRST OR SECOND READINGS OF ORDINANCES AND NO CLOSED SESSION ITEMS ON TODAY'S AGENDA.

SO THIS BRINGS US TO THE ADJOURNMENT, THE ADJOURNED REGULAR JOINT MEETING OF THE EL CAJON CITY COUNCIL.

EL CAJON HOUSING AUTHORITY SUCCESSOR AGENCY TO THE ELCON REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY HELD THIS 24TH DAY OF OCTOBER, 2023 IS ADJOURNED TILL TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 14TH, 2023 AT 3:00 PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.