Sep 12, 2023 City Council Meeting 3pm

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HI.

GOOD AFTERNOON LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.

WELCOME

[ CALL TO ORDER: Mayor Bill Wells]

THE MEETING IS NOW CALLED TO ORDER, AND I'D LIKE TO ASK FOR THE CITY CLERK TO PLEASE CALL THE ROLE ALL COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE PRESENT.

WOULD Y'ALL STAND WITH ME FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE AND THE REMAIN STANDING FOR A BRIEF MOMENT OF SILENCE, P ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH HE STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE AL.

THANK YOU LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, BEFORE WE GET STARTED, UM, WE HAVE CLOSED SESSION TODAY, WHICH WE ALMOST ALWAYS DO AT THE, AT THE END OF THE SESSION.

HOWEVER, DUE TO SOME UNUSUAL CIRCUMSTANCES WE NEED TO TAKE TO MOVE THAT UP A LITTLE BIT.

SO AFTER WE GET DONE WITH CONSENT AGENDA, WE'RE GONNA GO TO CLOSED SESSION FOR JUST A FEW MINUTES, AND THEN WE'LL BE BACK TO CONCLUDE THE REST OF THE MEETING.

AND, AND MR. MAYOR, I'D RECOMMEND WE ONLY TAKE, UH, ITEMS 24 AND 25.

WE'LL, WE CAN SAVE THE OTHER CLOSED SESSION ITEMS FOR WHEN THEY'RE REGULARLY SCHEDULED ON THE, OH, THAT'S GREAT.

THANK YOU.

MAKE IT FASTER.

OKAY.

UM,

[ POSTINGS: The City Clerk posted Orders of Adjournment of the August 8, 2023, Meeting and the Agenda of the September 12, 2023, Meeting in accordance to State Law and City Council/Housing Authority/Successor Agency to the Redevelopment Agency Policy.]

UH, WE

[ PRESENTATIONS: Presentation: Camp Run-a-Mutt: Dog Days of Summer Proclamation: National Preparedness Month]

THE FIRST PRESENTATION IS FOR CAMP RUN, AND I'LL ASK OUR MARKETING AND ENGAGEMENT MANAGER CHRIS BERG TO TELL US ALL ABOUT THIS, GENTLEMEN.

ALL RIGHT.

GOOD AFTERNOON.

UH, JUST WAITING FOR OUR SLIDE TO COME UP HERE.

THERE WE GO.

UH, SO THIS YEAR WE WANTED TO, UH, BRING A, UH, A NEW PROGRAM TO THE CITY OF EL CAJON CALLED THE DOG DAYS OF SUMMER, UH, INVOLVING OUR HEARTLAND FIRE TEAM.

AND THE PROGRAM HAD THREE MAIN OBJECTIVES.

ONE WAS TO PROMOTE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT WITH BOTH, UH, LOCAL BUSINESS AS WELL AS OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS.

HIGHLIGHT OUR, UH, THERAPY DOG PROGRAM THAT WE HAVE WITHIN HEARTLAND AT THREE OF THE STATIONS AND GENERATE POSITIVE PR FOR THE CITY OF EL CAJON.

WE OBVIOUSLY HAD A LOT OF COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, A LOT OF SMILING FACES, UH, HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE COMING IN OVER FOUR DIFFERENT SATURDAYS THROUGHOUT THE SUMMER.

UH, WE DID THE FIRST SATURDAY OF EACH MONTH THROUGH THE SUMMER.

AND, UH, PLENTY OF DOGS ALSO GOT TO HAVE, UH, THEIR FUN TIME AS WELL.

SO VERY GOOD PROGRAM.

UH, IT ALSO BECAME VERY EDUCATIONAL.

WE'VE GOT OUR, UH, FIREFIGHTER JESS THERE WHO IS DOING DEMONSTRATIONS AND SEEING HOW QUICKLY SHE COULD GET ALL HER GEAR ON IN UNDER A MINUTE, UH, SHOWING OFF FOR THE KIDS THERE.

AND THEN WHEN IT CAME TO THE PR SIDE, UH, WE'VE GOT A TON OF COVERAGE ON THIS, UH, WHERE THEY NOT ONLY FEATURED WHAT WE WERE DOING FOR THE DOGGIE OF SUMMER, BUT ALSO, UM, FEATURING YARA QUITE A BIT.

SHE BECAME QUITE THE, UH, TV STAR THIS SUMMER .

UM, BUT NONE OF THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN POSSIBLE WITHOUT A HUGE CONTRIBUTION FROM ONE OF OUR LOCAL BUSINESSES HERE IN EL CAJON.

AND SO NEXT I WOULD LIKE TO WELCOME UP, UH, OUR OWNERS OF CAMP RMU.

YOU GUYS WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD.

SO MIKE AND MOLLY OWN, UH, CAMP RMU HERE IN EL CAJON, AND THEY BROUGHT OUT THEIR STAFF THIS YEAR, UM, FOUR DIFFERENT SATURDAYS, AND YOU DID A LOT OF DOGS .

UM, SO IT WAS SEVERAL HOURS EACH SATURDAY MORNING.

UM, THEY OFFERED FREE DOG WASHES, UH, FOR ANYONE THAT CAME.

AND, UH, AND YEAH, PEOPLE CAME IN HOARDS.

SO, UH, WE'VE GOT A, A GIFT FOR THEM AS WELL.

UM, SO FROM A HEARTLAND FIRE AND RESCUE, UH, WE'D LIKE TO OFFER YOU A TOKEN OF OUR APPRECIATION.

UH, THESE ARE CHALLENGE COINS.

THESE ARE KIND OF, THEY HAVE A LONG HISTORY, UM, IN MILITARY.

ALL RIGHT, SO, UH, YEAH, THAT CONCLUDES OUR, OUR DOG DAYS OF SUMMER FOR THIS SUMMER.

SO AGAIN, REALLY THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR HELP.

SO ALRIGHT, THANKS.

THANKS VERY MUCH FOR ALL YOU DID.

OKAY,

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GOOD AFTERNOON.

HI, CHIEF.

THANK YOU FOR HAVING US.

GOOD AFTERNOON.

THANK YOU FOR HAVING US HERE.

HELLO, SIR.

HOW ARE YOU? I'M WELL, THANK YOU.

OKAY, NOW I'M GONNA READ THE PROCLAMATION.

WHEREAS NATIONAL PREPAREDNESS MONTH CREATES AN OPPORTUNITY FOR EVERY RESIDENT OF THE CITY OF EL CAJON TO PREPARE THEIR HOMES, BUSINESSES, AND COMMUNITIES FOR ANY TYPE OF EMERGENCY.

AND WHEREAS CALIFORNIA RESIDENTS HAVE PREVIOUSLY EXPERIENCED THE EFFECTS OF VARIOUS DISASTERS, INCLUDING SEVERE WINTER STORMS, EARTHQUAKES, AND DEVASTATING WILDLAND FIRES, RESULTING IN LOSS OF LIFE AND DAMAGES COSTING MILLIONS OF DOLLARS.

AND WHEREAS THE AFTERMATH OF THE 2003 AND 2007 FIRESTORMS IN SAN DIEGO COUNTY DEMONSTRATED NECESSITY FOR CAREFUL AND THOROUGH EMERGENCY PLANNING AND PREPAREDNESS AMONG INDIVIDUALS, COMMUNITIES, AND AGENCIES LOCALLY.

AND WHEREAS THE RECENT UNPRECEDENTED TROPICAL STORM, HILLARY BROUGHT AWARENESS TO DANGERS, WHICH HEAVY WIND, HEAVY WIND, RAIN, AND FLOODING CAN CAUSE ACROSS THE REGION, ALONG WITH ADDITIONAL EL NINO CONDITIONS FORECAST FOR THE COMING WINTER MONTHS.

AND WHEREAS THE LOSS OF LIFE AND DAMAGE TO PROPERTY CAN BE REDUCED IF APPROPRIATE, EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS MEASURES ARE TAKEN DURING AND AFTER A MAJOR EMERGENCY.

AND WHEREAS NATIONAL PREPAREDNESS MONTH IS OBSERVED IN SEPTEMBER, AND THIS YEAR'S THEME IS TAKE CONTROL IN 1, 2, 3, ALL CITIZENS OF THE CITY OF EL CAJON ARE ENCOURAGED TO PARTICIPATE IN CITIZEN PREPAREDNESS ACTIVITIES AND ASK TO REVIEW THE READY CAMPAIGNS WEBSITE@READY.GOV OR HEARTLAND FIRE.ORG AND BECOME MORE PREPARED NOW.

THEREFORE, I BILL WELLS, THE MAYOR OF THE CITY OF EL CAJON, TOGETHER WITH THE CITY COUNCIL, DO HEREBY PROCLAIM THE MONTH OF SEPTEMBER, 2023 AS NATIONAL PREPAREDNESS MONTH AND BE IT FURTHER PROCLAIMED THAT THE MAYOR AND THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF EL CAJON URGE ALL CITIZENS AND BUSINESSES TO DEVELOP THEIR OWN EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS PLANS AND WORK TOGETHER TOWARDS CREATING A MORE PREPARED COMMUNITY.

SIGNED THIS 12TH DAY OF SEPTEMBER, 2023.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MAYOR WELLS AND CO UH, COUNCIL MEMBERS.

I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER REAL QUICK TO OUR EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS COORDINATOR, ANDY MCKELLER.

THERE IS THREE ITEMS THAT HE WANTS TO REITERATE AS WE ARE LOOKING AT THE EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS MONTH.

AND, UH, WITH THAT, I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO ANDY AGAIN.

GOOD AFTERNOON AND, AND THANK YOU FOR HAVING US HERE.

UM, THE THREE THINGS I WANNA COVER VERY QUICKLY.

THERE'S THREE STEPS TO PREPAREDNESS THE SAME STEPS I'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT FOR OVER 20 YEARS IN, IN EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT.

HAVE A PLAN, MAKE A KIT, STAY INFORMED.

THOSE THREE THINGS.

IF YOU, IF OUR CITIZENS, EXCUSE ME, OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS HAD THOSE, UH, THREE STEPS IN PLACE, THEN DISASTER RESPONSE FOR THE REST OF THE CITY, ALL THE FIRST RESPONDERS, IS GONNA BECOME MUCH, MUCH EASIER DURING HURRICANE HILLARY.

UH, OUR COMMUNITY CERTAINLY HAD THE COMMUNICATION PIECE DOWN PRETTY WELL.

THEY ASKED A LOT OF QUESTIONS, THEY STAYED WELL INFORMED.

IT'S THOSE FIRST TWO THAT ARE GONNA BE CRITICAL IF THINGS REALLY GO SOUTH.

AND I ALSO WANNA SAY AT THIS POINT TOO, THAT THE CITY STAFF THAT OPERATED THE, UH, E O C DURING THAT TIME DID A STELLAR JOB.

REALLY FANTASTIC WORK, UM, TOP-NOTCH CREW, SO YOU CAN BE VERY PROUD OF, OF THEIR, UM, UH, EFFORTS DURING THAT STORM EVENT.

UH, ANYWAY, THOSE ARE THE THREE THINGS I REALLY WANTED TO GET ACROSS TODAY.

AGAIN, MAKE A KIT, HAVE A PLAN, BE INFORMED, THOSE THREE THINGS, IT'S VERY, VERY EASY.

THANK YOU AGAIN.

THANK YOU MR. KELLER.

I APPRECIATE THAT.

UH, CHIEF, DID YOU WANNA SAY ANYTHING ELSE? NO, I JUST, THIS ANDY'S OUR SUBJECT MATTER EXPERT AND UH, I JUST WANTED TO REFER TO ANDY AND THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY AND THANK YOU FOR THE PROCLAMATION.

THANKS FOR THE HARD WORK THAT YOUR DEPARTMENT ALWAYS DOES.

THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT, STAFF, DO YOU HAVE ANY AGENDA CHANGES EXCEPT FOR THE ONE THAT ALREADY ANNOUNCED? NO OTHER CHANGES, COUNSEL.

ALRIGHT, WE'RE NOW CONSENT

[7. CONSENT ITEMS: Consent Items are routine matters enacted by one motion according to the RECOMMENDATION listed below. With the concurrence of the City Council, a Council Member or person in attendance may request discussion of a Consent Item at this time.]

COUNCIL MEMBERS, DO YOU WISH TO PULL ANY OF

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ALRIGHT, STAFF? NO, SIR.

ALRIGHT.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION THEN TO APPROVE THE CONSENT ITEMS. SECOND, PLEASE VOTE.

THANK YOU, SIR.

AND FOR THE RECORD, THERE WERE NO SPEAKER CARDS AND MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.

OKAY, I'M

[23. CLOSED SESSIONS:]

ITEMS 24 AND 25 24 IS A CLOSED SESSION FOR CONFERENCE WITH LEGAL COUNSEL.

ANTICIPATED LITIGATION INITIATION OF LITIGATION PURSUANT TO PARAGRAPH FOUR OF SUBDIVISION D OF GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 5 4 9 5 6 0.9.

THERE'S ONE POTENTIAL CASE.

ITEM 25 IS A CLOSED SESSION FOR A CONFERENCE WITH LEGAL COUNSEL ON ANTICIPATED LITIGATION.

SIGNIFICANT EXPOSURE TO LITIGATION PURSUANT TO PARAGRAPH TWO OF SUBDIVISION D OF GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 5 4 9 5 6 0.91 POTENTIAL CASE.

IT'S BASED ON A CLAIM FROM TRUCK AND SS U V SUPERSTORE INC.

DOING BUSINESS AS EAST COUNTY PRE-OWNED SUPERSTORE, WHICH HAS SUBMITTED A CLAIM FOR DAMAGES ALLEGING LOSS OF PROFITS AND OTHER DAMAGES DUE TO CONSTRUCTION ON THE EL CAJON BOULEVARD STREET SCAPE PROJECT, WHICH ABUTS THE CLAIMANT'S BUSINESS.

THANK YOU, COUNSEL.

OKAY, I MAKE A MOTION THEN TO CLOSE TO ADJOURN THE CLOSED SESSION.

SECOND, PLEASE VOTE.

MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.

HI LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE'RE CONNECT THIS BUSINESS, WE'LL BE BACK AS QUICK AS WE POSSIBLY CAN TO CONCLUDE THE MEETING.

THANK YOU.

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, BACK, I WILL, UM, ASK OUR CITY ATTORNEY TO REPORT ON WHAT HAPPENED IN CLOSED SESSION.

THANK YOU MAYOR.

THE CITY COUNCIL MET IN CLOSED SESSION ON ITEMS 24 AND 25 AS DESCRIBED PREVIOUSLY.

THERE WAS NO ACTION TAKEN BY THE CITY COUNCIL.

THANK YOU.

ALRIGHT, WE'RE NOW PUBLIC COMMENT

[ PUBLIC COMMENT: At this time, any person may address a matter within the jurisdiction of the City Council/Housing Authority/Successor Agency to the El Cajon Redevelopment Agency that is not on the Agenda. Comments relating to items on today’s docket are to be taken at the time the item is heard. State law prohibits discussion or action on items not on the Agenda; however, Council, Authority and Agency Members may briefly respond to statements or questions. An item may be placed on a future Agenda.]

COMMENTS RELATING TO ITEMS ON TODAY'S AGENDA ARE TO BE TAKEN AT THE TIME THAT THE ITEM IS HEARD.

STATE LAW PROHIBITS DISCUSSION OR ACTION ON ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA.

HOWEVER, CITY COUNCIL AND HOUSING AUTHORITY MEMBERS MAY BRIEFLY RESPOND TO STATEMENTS OR QUESTIONS, AND AN ITEM MAY BE PLACED ON A FUTURE AGENDA.

ANGELA, DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? WE DO, SIR.

WE HAVE THREE OF 'EM.

THE FIRST ONE IS KENNETH KESNER.

WELL, SIR, WELCOME, WELCOME.

UM, 11 DAYS AGO I WAS AT THE COURTHOUSE, AS YOU KNOW, I WAS HERE ABOUT FIVE MONTHS AGO AND ABOUT A ANCY IN A COURT CASE I HAD, AND I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO GO ABOUT IT.

AND SO AFTER SPENDING, I HAD MY FIRST TWO HOUR PASS.

I WAS FORCED TO GO INTO A MINISTRY, NOT FORCED, BUT I HAD TO GO INTO A MINISTRY, WHICH I'VE BEEN AT, AND THEY HAVE STRICT RULES.

AND SO I HAD TO WALK AND TAKE, YOU KNOW, TO THE BUS ROUTES TO GET HERE, EVEN THOUGH I HAVE A TRUCK.

AND THE RULES GET LESS AS YOU AS TIME GOES BY.

BUT I HAD I, ON THE WAY HOME, I WAS ABLE TO TAKE MY TRUCK THIS ONE TIME.

UM, I WASN'T SUPPOSED TO, BUT I PLAYED DUMB.

AND I, ON THE WAY HOME, AFTER SPENDING TIME IN THE COURTHOUSE, I WAS REAR-ENDED.

UM, NOW I INVESTED IN A VERY STRONG BUMPER AND I KEEP MY TAILGATE DOWN SO ALL THE DAMAGE WENT TO HIM.

BUT, UH, IF YOU WANT TO BELIEVE, THAT WAS A COINCIDENCE THAT I WAS SLAMMED INTO.

AND FOR SOME REASON, I HAD THE BRAKES ON REALLY GOOD TOO, OR I WOULD'VE GONE CLEARLY INTO THE NEXT CAR.

OKAY? SO THAT WAS, NO, I'M NOT GONNA BELIEVE THAT WAS, WELL, MAYBE THAT WAS JUST A COINCIDENCE.

OKAY? 'CAUSE I'VE GOT JUDGE, AS I TOLD YOU BEFORE, I BELIEVE I HAVE JUDGE JOHN THOMPSON ON A ANCY WHERE HE WOULDN'T, HE WOULDN'T SET AN APPOINTMENT TO CALL TO A, A WITNESS, A, A SPANISH TRANSLATOR WHO HAD HEARD MY ATTORNEY DOING CLEAR IES WITH OTHER PEOPLE TO GET ME TO SIGN, NOT TO GO TO TRIAL OVER SOMETHING WHICH HAS AFFECTED ME FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE.

AND I'M GOING FORWARD ON THIS AND I'VE TALKED ABOUT IT, AND NOW I'M ON THE RIGHT PATH.

I'M GONNA GET THE ORIGINAL SONOGRAPHY OFF OF WHAT'S CALLED MY C FILE.

AND I'M, I'M, I'M GOING THAT ROUTE NOW INSTEAD OF OTHER, UM, ROUTES THAT I HAD MENTIONED.

AND THE C FILE'S RIGHT THERE.

HE, HIM, HE DIDN'T, HE SHOULD HAVE AUTOMATICALLY SAID, WELL, WE'LL GET A LINEUP OF THE SPANISH TRANSLATORS.

AND MY ATTORNEY NEVER SAID, WELL, HOW ABOUT A LINEUP OF THE SPANISH TRANSLATORS? UM, FOR SOME REASON I WAS SEATED ABOUT HERE AND MY ATTORNEY WAS ABOUT FIVE OR 10

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THAT'S HOW FAR APART WE WERE.

I WAS ON A, I WAS ON A HIDE CHAIR, SO I KIND OF, I HAD ALREADY BEEN GIVEN A, ABOUT A 40 MINUTE PERP WALK AROUND THE, THE, AROUND THE FACILITY WHILE THEY PRETENDED THEY COULDN'T FIND THE JUDGE'S OFFICE.

AND AFTER A DAY OF BUS RIDES AND EVERYTHING, SO I SAID, KENNY, YOU LET IT GO.

SO, UM, WHAT I'M, WHAT I'M HERE FOR IS THESE ACCIDENTS OR ISSUES AS I COME AND GO TO THE COURTHOUSE, YOU KNOW, I WANT THEM, I'M, I'M MAKING THEM DULY NOTED.

LIKE, I'M GONNA GO UP THERE NOW AND GET IT ON PAPER.

I ALREADY FILLED OUT WHAT HAPPENED.

SO I'M JUST HERE TO GET THIS STUFF ON THING.

'CAUSE I HOPE THEY STOP.

BUT I'M NOT STOPPING.

I'M 60 YEARS OLD AND I HAVE NOTHING.

SO I, I WANT TO SUE THEM.

UH, OKAY.

THANK YOU KINDLY.

THANK YOU, SIR.

UH, RICH REAL.

HELLO SIR.

WELCOME MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE MAYOR.

THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO ME.

I APPRECIATE THIS.

FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO GO BACK A LITTLE BIT IN HISTORY FOR MY, MY FAVORITE PERSON, SOCRATES.

HE SAYS, ALL GOVERNMENTS ARE THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE RULERS AND THE RULE.

AND THEN HE LAID OUT THE BEST POSSIBLE WORLD.

AND THAT IS A REPUBLIC, WHICH IS WHAT WE HAVE HERE TODAY.

THE REASON THAT I'M HERE IS THAT I AM JUST LIKE, BECAUSE IT'S A REPUBLIC, I AM RUNNING FOR PUBLIC OFFICE.

I'M RUNNING FOR THE, UH, BOARD OF DIRECTORS OF THE, THE SANDY, THE EAST COUNTY CHAMBER OF COMMERCE.

AND WHETHER YOU RUN FOR PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OR YOU RUN FOR THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, YOU HAVE A VISION THAT YOU WANT TO SELL TO THE VOTERS, THE PEOPLE THAT YOU GO TO.

AND I WANT TO SHARE THE VISION THAT I'M GOING BACK TO THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE BECAUSE IT INVOLVES ALL OF YOU, AND ESPECIALLY GRAHAM MITCHELL AND VINCE DIMAGGIO.

I WANT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR OP FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE, UH, GOING TO THE P BID.

I GO TO THE PB BID MEETINGS ALL THE TIME, AND AT THE P BID MEETING, I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO SEE THE PLANS FOR PARKWAY PLAZA.

PARKWAY PLAZA IS THE MOST STELLAR EXAMPLE OF A CITY THAT HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE A STATEMENT TO THE WORLD.

I WANT YOU TO DREAM BIG.

I HAVE A VISION AND I'M GONNA SELL IT TO THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, AND WE'RE GONNA COME BACK AND WE'RE GONNA PUSH IT FOR IT.

BUT THE BEST AND HIGHEST USE, AND THIS COMES FROM GRAHAM MITCHELL AND FROM VINCE DIMAGGIO, AND THE STAFF IS A HIGH RISE RESIDENTIAL BUILDING.

WHILE THEY'RE RIGHT, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE SHOULD DO.

AND THERE'S FOUR PARCELS, AND THEY ARE, WE CAN PUT THOSE PARCELS TOGETHER BECAUSE THE MANAGEMENT AT PARKWAY PLAZA IS SO BAD.

THEY'RE IN BANKRUPTCY AND THEY REALLY, IT'S A, IT'S A, IT'S AN EYESORE FOR EL CAJON.

SO WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS WE NEED TO HAVE A VISION AND WE NEED TO START PLANNING FOR THAT VISION.

NOW, I'M GOING, YOU, MANY OF YOU HAVE HEARD OF THE TERM 15 MINUTE CITIES.

LET'S BUILD A 15 MINUTE CITY HERE IN EL CAJON AND LET'S BUILD A STATEMENT TO THE WORLD SO THAT WHEN YOU'RE COMING DOWN FROM ALPINE AND YOU SEE SOMETHING, THE FIRST THING YOU SEE IS NOT THAT UGLY HIGH RISE OVER THERE.

IT'S THE HIGH RISE THAT RISES OUT OF, OUT OF THE FIELDS WHERE PARKWAY PLAZA WAS BUILT ON.

THAT'S THE OPPORTUNITY THAT WE HAVE NOW.

AND I WANT US TO DREAM BIG RIGHT NOW.

THE BIGGEST, BIGGEST BUILDING IN THE, IN EAST WEST OF THE MISSISSIPPI IS IN CALIFORNIA.

IT'S IN LOS ANGELES, AND IT'S THE, UH, LAW, UM, LOS OKAY LAW.

AT ANY RATE, I WANT US TO BUILD A MULTI-USE GOVERNMENT, UH, STORES, GROCERY STORES, EVERYTHING IN ONE LOCATION WHERE YOU DON'T HAVE TO USE A CAR.

TIE IT TO INTERSTATE EIGHT, TIE IT TO THE METRO SYSTEM, AND THAT'S GOING TO BE THE SIGNATURE STATEMENT AND IT'LL BE OUR LEGACY TO THE FUTURE.

AND I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR ALL LISTENING TO MY DREAM, AND I WANT YOU TO KNOW I'M GONNA WORK TO MAKE IT HAPPEN.

THANK YOU, SIR.

OUR LAST SPEAKER IS BRENDA HAMMOND.

HELLO, BRENDA.

HI.

HI GRAHAM.

I MEAN, MR. MITCHELL, UM, FIRST I WANNA THANK YOU FOR THE CONCERTS.

SO MUCH FUN.

SO MUCH FUN.

EVEN WE EVEN GOT DOCTORS AND NURSES DANCING OUT THERE FROM GROSSMONT.

UM, I HAD SOMETHING PREPARED TO SAY, BUT IT WAS KIND OF PERSONAL, LIKE THE NINTH, UM, ASSAULT I'VE HAD THIS WEEKEND.

IT'S OKAY, I HANDLED IT.

OKAY.

UM, THIS IS HUMPTY.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS

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MY MOTHER'S COUSIN SENT THIS HUMPTY WITH A NOTE THAT SAID, NOW WE KNOW YOU WILL NEVER CRACK, GET IT CRACK, UM, AND I WILL NOT, NO MATTER HOW MUCH HARASSMENT I GET FROM THE COUNTY PROGRAMS THAT ARE SUPPOSED TO BE HELPING THE HOMELESS PEOPLE WHEN ALL THEY'RE DOING IS CREATING MORE HOMELESS PEOPLE FOR YOU GUYS TO TAKE CARE OF.

BECAUSE I'VE SEEN, YOU'VE HEARD ME AT THE LAST MEETING, SO I'M NOT GONNA REHASH, OH, IT'S WORKING.

SO WHEN I THROW THIS IN THE AIR AND WHEN I CATCH IT, IT SOUNDS LIKE GLASS BREAKING.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU REMEMBER, I REMEMBER ONE MAYOR HIDING UNDER A TABLE, SO IT IS NOT LOUD BECAUSE THE BATTERY'S GOING DEAD.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF IT'LL WORK.

I HEAR IT.

YOU CAN YOU HEAR IT? SO IT'S REALLY LOUD AND AND, UM, THE PAST MAYOR OF LEMON GROVE KIND OF, WELL, I WON'T SAY IT, SORRY, MARY.

SO ANYWAY, THANKS AGAIN FOR ALL THE FUN.

UM, AND I WANTED YOU TO KNOW I DID CHECK OUT SANTI.

I WENT AND I SAW THEIR, UM, HOW THEY HAVE THEIR WHOLE CITY STUFF SET UP AND EVERYTHING, WHICH IS REALLY NICE.

SO I'M GLAD THEY TOOK ME AROUND AND SHOWED ME ALL THIS STUFF AND I SAID, OKAY, , BUT I'M STICKING WITH LA MESA LEMONGROVE AND, UM, EL CAJON.

THANK YOU.

THANKS FOR COMING.

OKAY, IS THAT THE LAST NO OTHER SPEAKER, SIR.

OKAY, THEN THERE ARE NO WRITTEN COMMUNICATIONS ON TODAY'S AGENDA, THEN THERE ARE PUBLIC HEARINGS ON HIS AGENDA.

WE HAVE TWO ADMINISTRATIVE REPORTS ON TODAY'S AGENDA.

ITEM 16

[16. Proposed Veterans Memorial Location RECOMMENDATION: That the City Council identifies a location for a proposed Veterans Memorial.]

AND I WILL ASK THE PARKS AND RECREATION DIRECTOR MR. FRANK CARSON TO COME UP AND TELL US ABOUT THIS.

HI, FRANK.

GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

I AM HERE TO UPDATE YOU ON THE VETERANS MEMORIAL OR PROPOSED VE VETERANS MEMORIAL PROCESS AS THIS IS ONE OF THE CITY COUNCIL PRIORITIES.

UM, THE ORIGINAL, WE HAD AN ORIGINAL MEMORIAL PLACED UP IN THE FLETCHER HILLS AREA.

AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE IMAGE HERE, IT'S IN BETWEEN A MEDIAN OFF OF NAVAJO AND FLETCHER HILLS OR FLETCHER PARKWAY.

UH, AND THIS WAS AN OBSERVATION OF ONE OF OUR LOCAL RESIDENTS, EDDIE MURPHY, WHO WAS AN EXECUTIVE OFFICER.

UM, HE WAS A P O W AT THE TIME.

AND SO THE FLETCHER HILLS KIWANIS CLUB ACTUALLY, UH, ORGANIZED THIS MEMORIAL AND WORKING WITH THE CITY OF EL CAJON, AND THEY ACTUALLY MAINTAINED THIS, THIS AREA AND THE FLAG FOR THE CITY.

BEYOND THAT, THE CURRENT MEMORIAL THAT WE HAVE JUST OUTSIDE OUR DOORS HERE WAS PLACED IN NOVEMBER 11TH, 2000.

UM, AND NOW IN 2022, WE'VE STARTED A NEW EXPLORATORY GROUP TO ACTUALLY LOOK AT AN UPDATED VETERANS MEMORIAL POSSIBLE LOCATION.

SO THIS IS WHAT THE MEMORIAL LOOKS LIKE TODAY.

UM, WE HAVE THE AMERICAN LEGION POST 3 0 3, THEY DEDICATED THIS TO THE CITY BACK IN NOVEMBER 11TH, 2000.

YOU CAN SEE THE BOTTOM LEFT OF THE ACTUAL VIDEO RIGHT THERE IS THE ORIGINAL.

AND THEN IN JUNE, 2014, UH, CITY COUNCIL VOTED TO, UM, ACTUALLY UPDATE THE FLAG WITH THE LARGER P O W UH, M I A FLAG.

SO THAT'S WHY YOU SEE ALL THAT IN GRANDEUR RIGHT THERE, RIGHT OUTSIDE OUR DOORS IN FRONT OF THE MAGNOLIA, AND RECOGNIZING THE MAGNOLIA AND HOW IT'S ROLLING THEIR ACTIVITIES AND EVENTS OUTSIDE THE DOORS.

WE THOUGHT IT WAS BEST TO ACTUALLY FIND A, A MORE PRUDENT LOCATION FOR THE VETERANS OF MEMORIAL.

UH, SO DURING THIS TIME PERIOD, CITY STAFF HAS HAD 29 DIFFERENT INTERACTIONS.

UH, I'LL TALK ABOUT WHAT THOSE ARE.

UM, WE'VE DONE OVER 200 SURVEYS.

WE'VE MET WITH THE 5 0 1 C NINETEENS AND 5 0 1 C NINETEENS ARE YOUR VETERANS SERVICE ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE NONPROFITS.

SO YOUR AMERICAN LEGION POST 3 0 3, AND I BELIEVE WE HAVE SOME MEMBERS FROM THAT GROUP HERE TODAY.

YOU ALSO HAVE YOUR MARINE CORPS LEAGUES ATTACHMENT, YOUR AMVETS V F W AND NAVY FLEET RESERVE ASSOCIATION.

UH, WE ATTENDED AND ALSO PRESENTED AT THE VECA, WHICH IS A VETERANS RELATED GROUP ASSOCIATED WITH THE SAN DIEGO EAST COUNTY CHAMBER.

UH, WE HOSTED FOUR COMMUNITY MEETINGS, SOME IN THE EVENINGS, SOME ON THE WEEKENDS, JUST TO GET INPUT FROM COMMUNITY MEMBERS.

AND WE'VE ALSO PRESENTED AND MET WITH THE VETERANS COALITION TWICE, I BELIEVE.

WE HAVE TWO MEMBERS HERE TODAY FROM THE VETERANS COALITION.

ONE MEMBER FROM VETERANS COALITION.

JACK KANE IS WEARING TWO HATS WITH THE AMERICAN LEGION ALSO.

SO I I THANK YOU JACK, FOR WEARING BOTH HATS.

UH, I WANNA JUST BRIEFLY GO OVER SOME FEEDBACK FOR, FOR COUNCIL, JUST SO COUNCIL'S UPDATED SOME OF THESE YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH.

SOME MAY BE NEW.

SO,

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WAS ASKED TO INCLUDE SPACE FORCE AS IT IS RECOGNIZED AS PART OF THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE NOW.

AND SO THAT WOULD BE A PART OF IT.

WE ALSO PRESENTED IN THE PAST THAT WE SHOULD INCLUDE THE MERCHANT MARINES.

UH, MERCHANT MARINES WERE CALLED INTO A SERVICE DURING WORLD WAR II, AND AS IT WAS TOLD TO US FROM DIFFERENT VETERANS GROUPS, PEOPLE WOULDN'T THINK, UH, THEY WOULDN'T, UH, LACK OF A BETTER TERM DINGUS FOR HAVING THE MERCHANT MARINES, BUT WE WOULD DEFINITELY GET SOME PEOPLE NOT HAPPY WITH US IF WE DID NOT INCLUDE THE MERCHANT MARINES.

SO THAT WAS THE RECOMMENDATION AT THAT TIME.

SO COUNSEL DID GIVE US DIRECTION LIKE, YES, WE DO WANT YOU TO INCLUDE SPACE FORCE.

WE DO WANT YOU TO INCLUDE MERCHANT MARINES IN THE ULTIMATE DESIGN.

SHOULD WE GO IN THAT DIRECTION? UH, LATER IN OTHER FEEDBACK CONVERSATIONS SAID IT SHOULD INCLUDE SOMETHING ABOUT P W M I A.

UM, THERE WERE SOME GROUPS THAT SAID, MAYBE YOU WANNA CONSIDER A FIRST RESPONDER MEMORIAL ASSOCIATED AUXILIARY TO THE SIDE OF IT.

UM, IDENTIFYING THE FIREFIGHTERS AND POLICE PERSONNEL.

UM, WE IN, IN TALKS WITH DIFFERENT GROUPS, UM, SOME GROUPS SAID, CAN YOU INCLUDE THE ELCO AND VETERAN OF THE YEAR? AND IN FURTHER CONVERSATION WITH THEM, WE WOULD MAYBE HAVE LIKE A QR CODE SO PEOPLE CAN BE REDIRECTED TO A WEBSITE.

SO WE CAN KEEP THAT LIKE A LIVE PAGE, NOT HAVING TO UPDATE THE SITE EVERY, EVERY YEAR OR SO.

UM, SO O OTHER FEEDBACK INCLUDED THAT THEY WANTED THIS A DESTINATION LOCATION OR A PUBLIC MEETING LOCATION.

THE CURRENT SITE IS USED AS A CEREMONIAL LOCATION, SO NOT JUST NECESSARILY A DRIVE BY, BUT THIS IS WHERE WE MEET AND GATHER.

UH, THEY ASKED FOR ADEQUATE PARKING, MAKING SURE THAT IT WAS A SAFE AND SECURE LOCATION, UM, AND RECOGNIZING SEVEN BRANCHES OF SERVICE.

SO I INCLUDED SPACE FORCE AND MERCHANT MARINES IN THERE ALONG WITH THE COAST GUARD, MARINES, NAVY, ARMY, AND AIR FORCE.

UH, THERE WAS SOME MENTION, AND IT CAN BE A LITTLE CONTROVERSIAL, UH, BUT IN, IN SOME RESPECTS, BUT TO RECOGNIZE OCON FALLEN CITIZENS THAT HAVE, UH, FOUGHT DURING WARTIME.

UM, AND THE REASON WHY IS WE, WE ALSO GOT FEEDBACK FROM OTHER VETERAN LEADERS THAT YOU MIGHT GO DOWN, UH, A A DIFFICULT PATH BECAUSE THERE, THERE MAY BE PEOPLE CONSTANTLY COMING UP SAYING, WELL, THIS PERSON WAS A RESIDENT AT THIS TIME.

AND SO POSSIBLY INSTEAD OF RECOGNIZING INDIVIDUAL MEMBERS, WE RECOGNIZE PEOPLE EN MASS.

AND THAT'S MORE OF STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS RECOGNIZING PEOPLE IN MASS IN THAT RESPECT.

SO REALLY WHAT STAFF IS ASKING FOR IS A FINAL, UM, EXECUTION BY COUNCIL TODAY ON A LOCATION.

UH, THERE ARE FOUR LOCATIONS IDENTIFIED HERE.

UH, A COUNCIL IS WELCOME TO ALSO DISCUSS ADDITIONAL LOCATIONS.

SO WE HAVE THE PRESCOTT PROMENADE, UM, WHICH IS JUST TO BLOCK THAT WAY.

WE HAVE THE PUBLIC SAFETY POLICE BUILDING, WHICH IS RIGHT OVER HERE, JUSTIN PARK AND ALSO THE PARKING LOT AT MAGNOLIA AND PARK.

AND JUST TO BRIEFLY DISCUSS SOME PROS AND CONS, THE PRESCOTT PROMENADE IS CURRENTLY A LOCATION THAT'S USED FOR A LOT OF EVENTS.

EVERY WEDNESDAY NIGHT THEY HAVE THE CAR SHOW, AND EVERY FRIDAY NIGHT THEY HAVE DINNER IN A CONCERT THERE.

UM, AND THE IDEA BEHIND IT WAS THAT PEOPLE ATTENDING THOSE EVENTS, THEY WOULD ALSO RECOGNIZE AND PAY REVERENCE TO THOSE MEMORIALS.

UM, AND THIS WAS DEFINITELY A DRIVE FOR A WHILE TO HAVE THIS AS LOCATION.

UM, THE, THE NEGATIVE IS REALLY, OR ONE, ONE NEGATIVE IS REALLY THAT IT'S DIFFICULT FOR CITY STAFF TO GUARANTEE A STRONG SAFETY PRESENCE AT THIS LOCATION.

UM, THERE'S A LOT OF, I, I DON'T WANT TO USE A CRIME PREVENTION FOR ENVIRONMENTAL DESIGN TERM AMBUSH POINTS OR HIDING PLACES WHERE PEOPLE, IF WE HAVE A STATUE OR MEMORIAL, MAY BE ABLE TO HIDE BEHIND IT, WHERE IT MAY BECOME PROBLEMATIC FOR CITY STAFF TO ACTUALLY SECURE ITS SAFETY.

UH, THE PUBLIC SAFETY POLICE BUILDING.

AND THIS IS LOOKING AT IT AND THEN ALSO LOOKING AWAY FROM IT.

THERE'S SOME NICE FEATURES HERE BECAUSE YOU ALREADY HAVE THE FLAG SET UP.

UH, YOU HAVE THE PLANNERS THAT WE COULD ACTUALLY IDENTIFY AS LOCATIONS FOR DIFFERENT MEMORIALS OR MULTIPLE MEMORIALS TO BE PLACED IN IT.

UM, IT IS, IT DOES HAVE THAT SECURITY BECAUSE IT'S RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE POLICE STATION WITH A, A LOT OF CAMERAS AND A LOT OF ACTIVITY WITH PUBLIC SAFETY PERSONNEL.

IT HAS A PARKING LOT RIGHT NEXT TO IT.

THE DOWNSIDE IS REALLY, IT'S NOT LIKE GOING TO BE FEATURED BY STREET SIDE.

YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO SEE IT IMMEDIATELY BY STREET SIDE.

ONE IMPLEMENTATION FEATURE WE COULD ADD IN FOR DESIGNERS IS A LIGHTING FEATURE.

SO AT NIGHT, PEOPLE FROM THE FREEWAY COULD SEE THAT AS A POSSIBILITY.

AND THEN THERE'S JUSTIN PARK, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE POLICE STATION.

THIS ONE DOESN'T HAVE THE ADEQUATE PARKING.

IT DOES HAVE THAT NICE GAZEBO RIGHT THERE, UM, IN

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UM, AND THIS WAS STRONGLY CONSIDERED, EXCEPT IT WAS THAT THE PARKING SITUATION MORE THAN ANYTHING THAT WAS A PRIMARY CONCERN.

WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE SAFETY NECESSARILY, BUT ULTIMATELY WAS THE PARKING WHERE WE WANT TO HAVE A D A ACCESS WITH PARKING AS AS BEST AS POSSIBLE.

UM, THIS ONE HAS BEEN TALKED ABOUT MORE RECENTLY, ALSO THE PARKING LOT AT MAGNOLIA PARK.

UH, AND ALSO LOOKING AT OTHER CONSIDERATIONS WITH THIS, WE, THE CITY, UH, AND I'LL ASK CITY MANAGER, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG WITH MY TERMINOLOGY, BUT THE CITY DID PURCHASE THIS FROM THE REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY AND THEY'RE BEHOLDEN TO HOLD THOSE PARKING SPACES.

AND IF THEY USE THOSE PARKING SPACES, THEN THEY WILL HAVE TO ACTUALLY CREATE NEW PARKING SPACES IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA.

AND I HOPE I SAID THAT SOMEWHAT, RIGHT? THAT'S RIGHT.

THERE'S A DEEDED RESTRICTION.

SO THOSE, THOSE SPACES HAVE TO BE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC FOR FREE.

AND SO IF WE WERE TO ALLOCATE, LET'S SAY FOR ARGUMENT'S SAKE, 30 SPACES, THE CITY WOULD THEN HAVE TO GO ACQUIRE SOME LAND SOMEWHERE IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA AND PROVIDE A PAR PUBLIC PARKING SPACE.

THE THE NICE THING ABOUT THIS IS IT IS DRIVE-BY WORTHY.

UM, IT, IT HAS THAT ASPECT TO IT TOO.

SO YOU CAN SEE LOOKING OUT TO THE STREET, BUT ALSO LOOKING IN FROM THE STREET WHERE THERE MAY BE A PLUS THERE.

IT'S JUST THE, THE WHOLE REDEVELOPMENT PARKING SITUATION.

I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANT TO GO DOWN THAT PATH EITHER.

UH, THE NEXT STEPS ARE ONCE A SITE IS IDENTIFIED, STAFF CAN BEGIN TO PROCURE THE SERVICES OF A DESIGNER AND BEGIN TO FOCUS ON COST ESTIMATES.

UH, ONCE WE GET THAT THE DESIGN OR THE, THE MULTIPLE DESIGNS MADE, WE WOULD MEET BACK WITH SOME OF THE VETERAN SERVICE ORGANIZATIONS AS WELL AS HAVE BIG INPUT FROM THE VETERANS COALITION AND, AND THEN BRING THAT, THOSE PROPOSALS BACK TO COUNCIL FOR THE, THE COUNCIL MEMBERS HERE TO ULTIMATELY DECIDE WHAT DIRECTION WE'RE GONNA GO ON THE DESIGN.

UM, AND ALSO UNDERSTANDING THAT IN MANY VETERANS DESIGNS AND TALKING WITH OTHER CITIES, THERE HAS BEEN UP TO 30% OR MORE EVEN OF, OF CITIZENS NOT HAPPY WITH THE DESIGN.

AND I'VE SPOKEN WITH A FEW OF COUNCIL MEMBERS SAYING THAT THERE'S A STRONG POSSIBILITY THAT WE'LL HAVE ABOUT 30% OF PEOPLE NOT HAPPY WITH THIS DESIGN BECAUSE THEY WILL, THEY MAY HAVE THEIR OWN VALUE LADEN INTEREST IN IT.

AND IT'S NOT NECESSARILY BAD, IT'S JUST THAT'S WHAT IT IS.

UH, SO JUST FOR COUNSEL TO KEEP THAT UNDER CONSIDERATION IN THEIR THEIR OWN DETERMINATIONS.

UH, SO AT THIS TIME I'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS OR, AND ALSO I'LL, I'LL LEAVE THIS UP.

UM, THAT, THAT THE CITY COUNCIL IDENTIFIES LOCATION FOR PROPOSED VETERANS OF MEMORIAL.

I THINK THERE MIGHT BE PUBLIC COMMENT, SO I'LL TAKE A SEAT UNLESS YOU GUYS HAVE QUESTIONS, SEE IF THERE'S QUESTIONS.

ANY QUESTIONS, STEVE? OKAY.

YOU MENTIONED NO PARKING AT JUDSON PARK.

IS THE PARKING RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET IN THE PARK IN MAGNOLIA POLICE LOT? NOT IT'S, IT, IT CAN BE CONDUCIVE RIGHT NOW.

I MEAN, THERE, THEY'LL, THEY'LL WALK AROUND AND YOU'LL HAVE SOME A D A, UM, PEOPLE MAY THAT MAY NEED THAT ADDITIONAL ASSISTANCE.

UM, THEY MAY SEE IT AS A BARRIER OF CROSSING, HAVING TO CROSS THE STREET.

OFTENTIMES WHEN WE LOOK AT, AT THE NATIONWIDE TENANT WALK PROGRAM, CROSSING STREET IS SEEN AS A BARRIER AND THAT'S WHY STAFF IS NOT RECOMMENDING THAT PART.

GARY, GO AHEAD.

YES, SIR.

OTHER SIDE.

UH, SO WHEN YOU THINK OF SEP TED OR CRIME PREVENTION THROUGH ENVIRONMENTAL DESIGN, YOU'RE, I'LL, I'LL GIVE YOU MORE OF A LANDSCAPE FEATURE.

SO YOU WANT YOUR TREE CANOPY AT LEAST SIX FEET OR HIGHER.

SO ME AS A SOMEONE THAT'S LOOKING AT NATURAL SURVEILLANCE, I COULD SEE ALL THE WAY THROUGH OR YOUR BUSHES TO BE TWO FEET OR LOWER.

AND SO, I MEAN, FOR ME, I WOULD IMAGINE AT LEAST BEING FOUR FEET TALL, SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE SOME TYPE OF HIDING SPOT.

UM, I WOULD, I WOULD IMAGINE.

BUT IF YOU PROBABLY THINK OF ANY VENDORS' MEMORIAL, THEY'RE PROBABLY AT LEAST FOUR FEET HIGH AS FAR AS HIDING SPOT.

YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT PEOPLE BEING BEHIND THE MEMORIAL SO THAT, UH, LAW ENFORCEMENT COULD SEE THEM FROM THE STREET POTENTIALLY.

UM, THERE'S ALSO, WHEN I, I WORKED FOR ANOTHER AGENCY, WE HAD THE VETERANS PARK MEMORIAL PARK THAT I OVERSAW, AND IT WAS ACTUALLY SHRUNK DOWN INTO LIKE A, A VALLEY AREA AND WE HAD DEVIANT BEHAVIORS ACTING IN AND AROUND IT WITH GRAFFITI AND OTHER THINGS.

AND THAT'S, THAT, THAT WAS MY ONLY SUGGESTION IS TRY TRYING TO LIMIT ANY TYPE OF DEVIANT BEHAVIOR, IF YOU WILL, IN AND AROUND THE, THE MEMORIAL.

I DON'T KNOW IF I ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION THOUGH.

YEAH, YOU DID.

OKAY.

YES, SIR.

UH, THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION AND ALL THE WORK THAT YOU AND YOUR STAFF ARE DOING.

I KNOW YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN MAKING THE ROUNDS WITH ALL THE DIFFERENT VETERANS ORGANIZATIONS, SO I APPRECIATE THAT, FRANK.

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'CAUSE THERE'S POWER AT SOME LOCATIONS AND OTHER ONES THERE MIGHT, RIGHT? IS THAT A, I THINK IT'S SOME TALKS THAT WAS GONNA PROVE TO BE A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT COST AT SOME LOCATIONS TO GET POWER TO SOME LOCATIONS.

AND ARE THERE, CAN YOU GO OVER SOME OF THAT? UM, SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THERE'S LIMITED POWER HERE IN JUDSON PARK.

UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S ONE LOCATION.

SO EVEN THE GAZEBO DOESN'T HAVE A LIGHTING FEATURE INSIDE OF IT.

UH, ON THE OUTSIDE IT DOES, YOU DO HAVE STREET LIGHTNING, BUT THEN AGAIN, THOSE POWER SOURCES MAY BE TAPPED.

SO THERE WOULD BE SOME INFRASTRUCTURE NEED AT JUDSON PARK IN THAT RESPECT.

UM, HERE AT THE PUBLIC SAFETY, YOU SEE THE POWER BOX, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN SEE IT, BUT IT'S IN THE, THE LARGE PLANTER.

AND SO THERE IS A, A POWER BOX RIGHT IN THAT LOCATION FOR THAT AS WELL AS FOR IRRIGATION.

UM, AT THE PRESCOTT PROMENADE, THERE IS POWER IN THE POLES THAT WE CAN TAP INTO.

UM, THAT CAN BE PROBLEMATIC JUST BECAUSE WE DO HAVE PEOPLE THAT I WANT TO BE CAUTIOUS HOW I SAY THIS, THEY, THEY MAY TRY TO HIJACK THE POWER FROM THE POLES.

SO, UM, WE WE'RE EXTRA SECURE WITH HOW WE DISTRIBUTE POWER IN, IN PRESCOTT PROMENADE.

UM, I'M MISSING ONE HERE.

WE DON'T HAVE ANY INFRASTRUCTURE IN PLACE.

UM, FOR, FOR THAT LIGHTING KNEE.

IT'S NOT LIKE IT CAN'T HAPPEN, BUT IT WOULD BE SIGNIFICANT COST, LINEAR FOOT FOR SO, SO ALL THE, ALL BUT ONE LOCATION IS GONNA HAVE INCREASED COSTS WITH REGARD TO LAYING INFRAS INFRASTRUCTURE.

THERE'LL BE SOME INFRASTRUCTURE COST TO EACH LOCATION.

IT'S JUST, UH, SOME WILL BE SIGNIFICANTLY MORE THAN OTHERS.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

SO IF WE WERE TO CONSIDER THE SAFETY CENTER IN FRONT OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, AND YOU MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT, UM, HAVING IT VISIBLE FROM THE STREET.

ARE YOU TALKING MORE LIKE, UM, UP LIGHTING, VERTICAL LIGHTING, KINDA LIKE FROM THE, THE, THE TWO TOWERS WHERE THEY HAVE THE TWO BEAMS GOING? RIGHT, EXACTLY.

OR I SHOULD SAY IT'S SIMILAR TO THAT.

UM, WITHIN F A A REGULATIONS WE WOULD STILL NEED MAINTAINED.

THAT'S GONNA BE MY NEXT QUESTION.

RIGHT? DO WE HAVE ANY, UM, RESTRICTIONS ON THAT? I DO.

I JUST CAN'T REMEMBER 'EM RIGHT NOW, BUT IT'S, IT'S A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF FEET THAT WE CAN'T SHOOT BEYOND.

OKAY.

UM, I DO WANNA MENTION ALSO BEFORE I FORGET THAT THE AMERICAN LEGION POST 3 0 3 STRONGLY LIKE THE, THE PUBLIC SAFETY BUILDING AREA, BECAUSE IT WAS A NATURAL VENUE IN TERMS OF A GATHERING PLACE, RIGHT? THAT THEY ALREADY HAD ALL THAT SEATING ARRANGED AND IT WAS A VERY FLAT SURFACE FOR THEM.

CAN WE GET, UM, SEATING LIKE ADDITIONAL BENCHES, UM, ALONGSIDE THE, THE TRAIL THAT IS UP NEAR THAT, UH, I WOULD WANNA SPEAK WITH OUR, OUR FOLKS IN THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THE, THE WALKING PATHS MEET REQUIREMENTS ALSO, BUT YES.

AND, AND THAT'S ALL A D A COMPLIANT UP TOWARDS THERE? ABSOLUTELY.

ALL OF THAT IS A D A COMPLIANT.

OKAY.

MY OTHER QUESTION IS, IS ON THE DESIGNER, UM, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT WE DISCUSSED, UM, MAKING THIS A LOCAL COMPETITION.

DID, MAYBE I'M THINKING OF ANOTHER, I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN MAKE IT A COMPETITION BEING THAT IT, NOT A COMPETITION, BUT, YOU KNOW, REACHING OUT TO LOCAL DESIGNERS, UM, WE'LL DEFINITELY PUBLICIZE IT AS, UM, A REQUEST FOR DESIGN OR PROPOSALS FOR DESIGN AND THEN TAKE THOSE DESIGN CONCEPTS THAT, AND THEY'LL HAVE TO ALSO SUBMIT, UM, A QUALIFICATION OR REQUEST FOR QUALIFICATIONS.

SO THEY WOULD IDENTIFY THAT THEY ACTUALLY HAVE EXPERIENCE OKAY.

DOING IT.

BUT AT THAT POINT, ONCE WE IDENTIFIED THESE ARE THE PROPOSALS THAT WE WOULD TAKE BACK TO THE VETERANS SERVICE ORGANIZATIONS AS WELL AS THE VETERANS COALITION AND ULTIMATELY BRING BACK TO COUNCIL ONCE THOSE GROUPS ALSO PROVIDED FEEDBACK.

SO WE COULD, AS STAFF GIVE COUNCIL THE FULL BREADTH OF EVERYBODY'S FEEDBACK.

OKAY.

AND DO WE HAVE A BUDGET FOR THIS? THERE'S NO BUDGET AT THIS TIME.

UM, ONCE WE DECIDE ON A DESIGN CONCEPT IS WHEN WE WOULD REQUEST COUNCIL FOR A BUDGET.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

OKAY.

UM, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT PUBLIC SAFETY OR RIGHT, RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE POLICE STATION WOULD BE THE SAFEST PLACE.

IS IS, AM I OFF BASE ON THAT AT ALL OR IS THAT A REASONABLE ASSUMPTION? YEAH, I, I THINK FOR, FOR TODAY, THAT WOULD BE A REASONABLE ASSUMPTION, YES.

OKAY.

I THANK YOU, FRANK.

APPRECIATE IT.

UM, DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS ON THE SIDE OF HIM? WE DO, SIR.

WE HAVE TWO SPEAKER CARDS.

THE FIRST ONE IS STAR BALES.

HI SAR.

HELLO.

WELCOME BACK.

HI MAYOR ON CITY COUNCIL.

UM, MY NAME'S STAR BALES AND I'D LIKE TO THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR SERVICE TO OUR CITY, OUR BEAUTIFUL

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UM, I ALSO LIKE TO ESPECIALLY THANK FRANK CARSON AND THE PARK AND RECREATION FOR THIS BEAUTIFUL PRESENTATION.

AND THEY'VE BEEN WORKING VERY HARD ON THIS PROJECT.

I EVEN REMEMBER FROM YEARS AGO THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT IT.

SO, AND I'M SO GLAD THAT NOW, UM, I SEE IT HAPPENING.

UM, AND UH, CURRENTLY I SERVE AS THE PRESIDENT OF EL CAJON AMERICAN LEGION AUXILIARY, UH, POST 3 0 3.

AND ON BEHALF OF THE MEMBERS OF MY UNIT, I AM THRILLED TO BE HERE TODAY AMONG ALL OF YOU, ALL OF YOU, UH, DISCUSSING A PLAN THAT IS COMING FROM THE DEEPEST PLACE IN OUR HEARTS.

AND WE SUPPORT A VETERAN MEMORIAL THAT SAYS TO OUR COMMUNITIES, DIVERSE, BRAVE MEN AND WOMEN, YOUR SELFLESS COMMITMENT AND HARD WORK TO KEEP US SAFE AND PROSPEROUS ARE HIGHLY ACKNOWLEDGED AND APPRECIATED.

A MEMORIAL THAT SAYS YOUR ULTIMATE SACRIFICE.

'CAUSE YOU KNOW, A LOT OF OUR VETERANS DIED FIGHTING TO KEEP US SAFE AND FIGHTING SO WE CAN, SO THEY CAN MAINTAIN THE FREEDOM THAT HAS BEEN PASSED ON THROUGH OTHER BRAVE MEN AND WOMEN.

SO THEIR ULTIMATE SACRIFICE SO WE CAN BE FREE, THAT IS SET ON A STONE UNFORGOTTEN.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING.

WE ARE PUTTING THAT HONEST TONE FOR THEM SO THEY KNOW THAT WE APPRECIATE IT.

I HAVE NO DOUBT ON MY MIND THAT IT'S BEST WAY FOR ALL OF US HONORING OUR VETERANS AND TO LET THEM KNOW THAT THEIR GOALS ARE ACCOMPLISHED.

I MEAN, LOOK AT OUR CITY.

WE HAVE A DIVERSE, I MEAN, REALLY, OUR CITY IS SO DIVERSE COMPARING TO SO MANY OTHER CITIES AND, AND, AND COMMUNITIES IN, IN AMERICA.

AND LOOK AT US.

WE'RE, WE'RE ALL, WE WORK TOGETHER.

WE, WE ENJOY EACH OTHER'S COMPANY.

WE, WE PLAN THINGS.

WE BUILD, WE, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT OUR VETERANS WERE, WERE, WERE FIGHTING FOR.

AND, AND, UH, AND I LIKE, I LIKE TO SEE THAT THIS PROJECT HAPPEN AND THAT WOULD REALLY MAKE ME VERY, VERY HAPPY.

AND REALLY, I REALLY THANK YOU ALL.

I CAN TELL THAT YOU GUYS ARE GONNA MAKE IT HAPPEN.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, SIR.

OUR LAST SPEAKER IS JACK KANE.

HELLO SIR.

WELCOME, MAYOR.

COUNCIL.

THANK YOU FOR HAVING US.

I HAVE TO PUT ON MY SECOND HAT.

THIS IS MY AMERICAN LEGION 3 0 3 HAT.

I ALSO HAVE ONE FOR THE VETERANS COALITION.

MY THIRD HAT IS THAT I'M A PROUD SUBMARINE SAILOR.

AND SO I HAVE A THIRD HAT.

I'M THE, UH, SECRETARY AT SAN DIEGO BASE SUBMARINE VETERANS INCORPORATED ALL SIX OF US WHO LIVE IN EL CAJON SUPPORT , THE VETERANS, UH, MEMORIAL.

AND WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT, UM, OVER HERE AT THE PUBLIC, AT THE PUBLIC SAFETY AMERICAN LEGION 3 0 3.

AS YOU CAN SEE, WE WERE HERE AT THE START.

EDDIE MURPHY IS, UM, ONE OF OUR PROUD MEMBERS.

AND THE FIRST, THE FIRST MEMORIAL UP THERE AND ON THE FLETCHER PARKWAY WAS PUT UP WHEN HE WAS THE, UH, YEAH, IN THE P O W.

HE WAS IN THE EXO THE PUEBLO WHEN IT WAS, UH, CAPTURED BY THE NORTH KOREANS.

SO AMERICAN LEGION 3 0 3 WILL STAND BEHIND THE VETERANS COALITION AND WE WOULD URGE YOU TO, UH, FUND AND HELP US PUT UP THE VETERANS MEMORIAL AT THE, UH, IN FRONT OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANKS MR. CO.

NO OTHER SPEAKER, SIR.

OKAY.

IT'S BACK TO US.

UH, SO THE QUESTION IS, WHERE DO WE WANNA PLACE THIS VETERAN'S MEMORIAL? UH, OPEN TO DISCUSSION AT THIS POINT.

YES, SIR.

WELL, THE LAST THING I WANNA SEE IS A VETERAN'S MEMORIAL BE DEFACED BY SOME PEOPLE.

THAT WOULD JUST ABSOLUTELY BREAK MY HEART.

SO I THINK THE SAFEST PLACE FOR IT IS IN FRONT OF THE POLICE STATION AND IT'S GONNA BE LESS EXPENSIVE TO INSTALL IT.

UH, OUR VETERANS HERE, LIKE THAT LOCATION,

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