[00:00:01]
AND GENTLEMEN, WELCOME TO[ CALL TO ORDER: Mayor Bill Wells]
THETHE MEETING IS NOW CALLED TO ORDER AND I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE CITY CLERK TO CALL THE ROLL.
ALL COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE PRESENT.
WOULD YOU PLEASE STAND UP FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE OR REMAIN STANDING FOR A BRIEF MOMENT OF SILENCE AND I'M GOING TO ASK ANGELA SHABA TO COME DOWN AND LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
[ POSTINGS: The City Clerk posted Orders of Adjournment of the January 8, 2019, Meeting and the Agenda of the January 22, 2019, Meetings in accordance to State Law and Council/Authority/Successor Agency to the Redevelopment Agency Policy.]
CLERK POSTED ORDERS OF A GERMAN OF THE JANUARY 8TH, 2019 MEETING AND THE AGENDA OF THE JANUARY 22ND, 2019 MEETING IN ACCORDANCE WITH STATE LAW COUNCIL AND HOUSING AUTHORITY POLICY.WE HAVE NO PRESENTATIONS ON TODAY'S AGENDA.
ANGELA, DO WE HAVE ANY UH, AGENDA CHANGES? NO SIR.
ALL RIGHT, COUNSEL, ANY AGENDA CHANGES? ALL RIGHT, WE ARE NOW CONSENT
[7. CONSENT ITEMS: Consent Items are routine matters enacted by one motion according to the RECOMMENDATION listed below. With the concurrence of the City Council, a Council Member or person in attendance may request discussion of a Consent Item at this time.]
ITEMS. CONSENT ITEMS ARE ROUTINE MATTERS IN ACTED BY ONE MOTION ACCORDING TO THE RECOMMENDATION LISTED OF BELOW WITH THE CONCURRENCE OF THE CITY COUNCIL.A COUNCIL MEMBER OR PERSON IN ATTENDANCE MAY REQUEST.
DISCUSSION OF A CONSENT ITEM AT THIS TIME.
COUNCIL MEMBERS DO WISH TO PULL ANY OF THE CONSENT ITEMS STAFF.
I MAKE A MOTION THEN TO APPROVE THE CONSENT ITEMS. MOVE THE SECOND AND PLEASE VOTE.
MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.
[ PUBLIC COMMENT: At this time, any person may address a matter within the jurisdiction of the City Council/Housing Authority/Successor Agency to the El Cajon Redevelopment Agency that is not on the Agenda. Comments relating to items on today’s docket are to be taken at the time the item is heard. State law prohibits discussion or action on items not on the Agenda; however, Council, Authority and Agency Members may briefly respond to statements or questions. An item may be placed on a future Agenda.]
NOW AT PUBLIC COMMENT, BUT BEFORE WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT, UM, IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE SOME VISITORS TODAY FROM VALHALLA.CAN YOU ALL RAISE YOUR HANDS AND WOW.
THE, THE, THE WHOLE SCHOOL IS HERE.
AS IS MY CUSTOM, I WILL TURN THE MEETING OVER TO BOB A CALL NOW AND HE WILL PUT YOU THROUGH YOUR PACES.
AND, UH, WE EVER REQUIREMENT HERE AT THE OKLAHOMA CITY COUNCIL THAT YOU ALL COME UP AND SPEAK AT THIS MICROPHONE RIGHT HERE IN FRONT OF YOU.
I IMAGINE Y'ALL GO TO BALL HALA.
UH, AND WHAT YOU INTEND TO DO WITH YOUR LIFE AFTER YOU GRADUATE FROM BOHOL.
GO TO COLLEGE, BE A DOCTOR, BE A LAWYER, GO INTO PRIVATE PRACTICE, HAVE SOME BUSINESS OR WHATEVER.
ALL OF THE STUDENTS FROM VALHALLA IN THE PAST HAVE DONE IT.
SO COME ON DOWN AND, UM, WE MAKE IT VERY BRIEF, BUT YOU HAVE JUST A FEW SECONDS.
GARY KENNEDY, DID YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING? I WOULD JUST, I JUST WANT TO TELL YOU ALL THAT WE'RE DON'T BE NERVOUS.
I WAS UP THERE, UH, AND THE AUDIENCE BACK WHEN I WAS A SENIOR OVER AT SANTA ANA HIGH SCHOOL AND I WAS NERVOUS.
REMEMBER, EVERYBODY HERE WANTS YOU TO SUCCEED.
THAT WAS JUST AFTER THE CIVIL WAR.
WHERE ARE YOU? HELLO, MY NAME IS ANNIE COLVER.
UM, I GO TO
I'M A SENIOR OF A HALA AND I HOPEFULLY WANT TO BECOME A PSYCHIATRIST.
DON'T BE AFRAID TO PULL THE SPEAKER A LITTLE BIT CLOSER TO THE MICROPHONE, JUST A LITTLE BIT CLOSER SO WE CAN HEAR YOU BETTER.
HI, I'M ARIEL WHITE AND I'M GOING TO GO TO COLLEGE IN COLORADO AND BE A PSYCHOLOGIST.
HI, I'M ALEXANDER IS A CARRYIN AND UH, I'LL BE, UM, OF A HOLLOW SUDAN AND UH, I'LL BE ATTENDING, UH, THE AIR FORCE TO, UH, BE AN ENGINEER, COMPUTER ENGINEER.
I'M A HOLLOW STUDENT AND I WANT TO BE A SOCIAL WORKER.
NOW WE KNOW YOU'RE ALL OF OUR WHOLE AND SO, YEAH.
HI, I'M MOLLY GEORGE AND I'M, I WANT TO BE AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL TEACHER.
HI, I'M KAREN EBRAHEEM AND I WENT ON TO BECOME A GENERAL DOCTOR.
[00:05:01]
I'M SEAN.I SHOW AND I GO TO VOL I'S GLYNN.
I'M PLANNING ON BECOMING, UM, A BUSINESS MAJOR AT SCSU NEXT YEAR.
I'M SYDNEY SAUNDERS AND I'M GOING TO GO TO COLLEGE TO BE A SHARK RESEARCHER.
I'M A MAHALO STUDENT AND I HOPE TO BECOME A LAWYER ONE DAY.
SO WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH OF THOSE.
HI, I'M LINDA SAKA AND AFTER HIGH SCHOOL I WOULD LIKE TO ATTEND METAL MEDICAL SCHOOL.
MY NAME IS LEXI DE GIOVANNI AND WHEN I'M OLDER I WANT TO MAJOR IN ADVERTISING.
I'M A SENIOR OF A HALA AND I BECOME, I WANT TO BECOME A COMPUTER SCIENCE ENGINEER.
HI, MY NAME IS ANNA LUCERO AND I WENT TO MAJOR IN CHILD DEVELOPMENT.
I'M A SENIOR AT VALHALLA HIGH SCHOOL AND I HOPE TO ATTEND A UC AND STUDY MARINE BIOLOGY.
HELLO, I'M MADDIE CORNTHWAITE AND I'M A SENIOR AT MAHALO HIGH SCHOOL AND I HOPE TO ATTEND THE DISNEY COLLEGE PROGRAM.
I PLAN ON BEING A FINANCIAL ANALYST AND MAJORING IN BUSINESS.
I'D BE, I'M ATTENDING THE ARMY AFTER HIGH SCHOOL.
MY NAME IS DANIELLE
HI, I'M ADAM
MY NAME IS
MY NAME IS HALEY BANDWAGON AND I PLAN TO BE A MUSIC MAJOR.
MY NAME IS ANGELA SHABA AND I GO TO VALHALLA HIGH AND I PLAN TO BE AT A PRACTITIONAL NURSE.
MY NAME IS NATHAN SERRANO AND I'M GOING TO BE A BUSINESS FINANCE MAJOR.
MY NAME IS DANIELLA SHABA AND I PLAN TO BE AN ULTRASOUND TECHNICIAN.
MY NAME IS MIRANDA
MY NAME IS
HI, MY NAME IS SAHARA HEN DOSHA AND I GO TO THE HOLLOW HIGH SCHOOL AND I WANT TO DO COSMETOLOGY.
MY NAME IS DEMA YUSUF AND I'LL, I PLAN TO BE A PEDIATRICIAN PRACTICING AT UNICEF.
I PLAN TO MAJOR IN AEROSPACE ENGINEERING.
HI, MY NAME'S NAOMI VASQUEZ AND I PLAN ON MAJORING IN INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS.
I AM MADISON STICKMAN AND I PLAN ON BEING A BUSINESS MAJOR.
MY NAME IS MARK
I COME, I PLAN TO BE A COMPUTER SOFTWARE ENGINEER.
MY NAME IS ANGEL LASA AND I PLAN ON STUDYING, UH, AUTOMOTIVE MECHANIC.
MY NAME IS MARIOS AND I WANT TO BE A COMPUTER SOFTWARE PROGRAMMER.
MY NAME IS ANDY
OKAY, WELL THANK YOU ALL AND I WANT TO COMPLIMENT YOU THAT, UH, WHEN I WAS YOUR AGE, I WOULD BE SCARED TO DO DEATH TO COME UP AND DO THAT.
SO Y'ALL HAD YOUR FIRST EXPERIENCE.
NOW I GOTTA ASK YOU ONE MORE QUESTION.
IS THERE ANYBODY THAT DIDN'T SPEAK, I WANT YOU TO RAT ON HIM RIGHT NOW.
THERE ANYBODY OUT THERE? OH, THERE'S SOME BACK THERE.
HI, I'M MARIA RABO AND I WANT TO GO TO MEDICAL SCHOOL.
MY NAME IS DYLAN SHERMAN AND I PURSUE MY, I WANT TO PURSUE MY CAREER INTO LAW.
HI, MY NAME IS LORELLA SHAMONE AND I WANT TO BE A LAWYER.
[00:10:01]
HI, MY NAME IS CYNTHIA MARCOS AND I WANT TO DO CORPORATE LAW.I WANT TO DO COMPUTER ENGINEERING.
I WANT TO BE A BUSINESS MAJOR.
HI, MY NAME IS
YOU KNOW, THE LAST ONE HAS TO SING A SONG.
IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE THAT DIDN'T SPEAK? I WANT YOU TO RAT OUT NOW.
THERE'S SOMEBODY BACK THERE IN THE BACK.
COME ON, COME ON UP TO THE MICROPHONE.
I'LL KEEP GOING RIGHT TO THE MICROPHONE.
THANK YOU FOR JOINING US YOUNG MAN.
WE NEED YOUR NAME AND WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO WHEN YOU GRADUATE.
AND WHAT AM I GONNA DO WITH MY GRADUATE? WHAT? AFTER I GRADUATE? YEAH.
I'M GOING TO GO TO A FOUR YEAR COLLEGE OUT OF STATE.
WHAT DO YOU WANT TO STUDY? HISTORY.
AND THEN YOUR FRIEND COME ON UP.
AND THERE WAS SOMEBODY IN THE BACK OVER HERE I THINK.
COME ON AS IT COME UP YET, CAUSE YOU'RE, YOU'RE HOLDING UP PROGRESS AT THE MEETING.
I DON'T WANT TO BECOME A BUSINESS MAJOR.
GOD, THAT'S A HARD, ANYBODY ELSE? IT DIDN'T COME UP.
YOU'RE HOLDING UP THE MEETING.
I WENT TO A UCLA AND IT WAS, IT'S A VERY RIGOROUS PROGRAM THERE, BUT IT'S ENJOYABLE.
ESPECIALLY LIKE THERE'S REALLY GOOD THEREFORE A FILM BECAUSE YOU RIGHT NEXT TO HOLLYWOOD EXCEPT FOR A USC, BOTH UCLA THAT WERE KIND OF A, WHICH CALL IT A
YOU'RE NOT GRADUATING FROM THE HOLLOW ARRIVALS, BUT I'LL THINK ABOUT IT.
IT'S NOT EASY TO GET IN, BUT IF YOU APPLY YOURSELF, YOU'LL GET SOMETHING OUT OF IT.
OKAY, WELL FOR THOSE, FOR THOSE OF YOU DIDN'T COME UP
SO THEY'LL HAVE TO COME BACK TO THE NEXT MEETING, I GUESS TO GET THEIR GRADE ON LEVEL.
THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING GOOD SPORTS.
WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE WITH PUBLIC COMMENT.
AT THIS TIME, ANY PERSON MAY ADDRESS A MATTER WITHIN THE JURISDICTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL HOUSING AUTHORITY OR SUCCESSOR AGENCY TO THE ALCOHOL AND REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY THAT IS NOT ON THE AGENDA.
COMMENTS RELATED TO ITEMS ON TODAY'S AGENDA ALREADY BE TAKEN AT THE TIME THAT THE ITEM IS HEARD.
STATE LAW PROHIBITS DISCUSSION OR ACTION ON ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA.
HOWEVER, COUNCIL AUTHORITY, THE AMC MEMBERS MAY BRIEFLY RESPOND TO STATEMENTS OR QUESTIONS AND AN ITEM MAY BE PLACED ON A FUTURE AGENDA.
ANGELA, DO WE HAVE ANY CARDS ON A PUBLIC COMMENT, SIR? WE HAVE TWO SPEAKERS.
THE FIRST ONE IS RUTH THORTON.
WELL, IS THAT AN IMMEDIATE, OH, THERE YOU ARE.
AND MY VOICE HAS AN IMPROVED, BUT I'M HERE.
UM, I HAVE SEVERAL THINGS I WANT TO VERY BRIEFLY TALK ABOUT.
THE HOMELESS PROBLEM TO ME IS SO MUCH WORSE, AND I KNOW YOU'RE WORKING ON WELLS PARK, BUT ALL THOSE PEOPLE HAVE TO GO SOMEWHERE.
WHERE ARE THEY GOING? THEY'RE GOING TO WALTER WAY.
THEY'RE GOING OVER BY TARGET BEHIND KENTUCKY FRIED CHICKEN AT WASHINGTON AND MAGNOLIA.
SO I, I JUST NEEDED TO SAY THAT, UM, REGARDING THE MAN WHO WAS SPEAKING WAS SUCH PROFANITY AND MAKING SUCH HORRIBLE COMMENTS, WHY COULD WE NOT A POLICE OFFICER, THEY ARE HERE.
WHY COULD NOT ONE OF THEM COME UP AND SAY, YOU'RE NOT FOLLOWING THE RULES YOU NEED
[00:15:01]
TO LEAVE.IF I WAS IN A RESTAURANT OR IN A STORE, THEY WOULD DO THAT.
WHY COULD WE NOT DO THAT HERE? THAT WAS HORRIBLE.
AND THERE'S NO REASON WHY THE POLICE COULD NOT HAVE ESCORTED HIM OUT.
HE WAS NOT WITHIN, HE WASN'T FOLLOWING THE RULES.
HE HAD NO RIGHTS AT THAT POINT.
UM, AS FAR AS THE POLICE, I DON'T THINK, AND I'M SURE YOU AGREE WITH ME, WE DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH POLICE OFFICERS.
THERE ARE MANY CALLS THAT JUST DON'T GET ANSWERED BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE COVERAGE THAT WE NEED.
AND SOME OF THEM, I KNOW THE DISPATCHERS HAVE TO USE THEIR DISCRETION ON WHO THEY ASSIGN.
BUT SOMETIMES I DON'T KNOW THAT THE DISPATCHERS ALWAYS UNDERSTAND HOW IMPORTANT SOME OF THESE CALLS ARE.
AND I LIVE IN THE SENIOR MOBILE HOME PARK AND WE HAVE PROBLEMS WITH PEOPLE COMING THROUGH THERE.
WELL IF ANY OF US GETS KNOCKED DOWN BY ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE, I KNOW I'LL BREAK SOMETHING.
I MEAN OUR BONES ARE BRITTLE, WE CAN'T GET KNOCKED DOWN, WE'LL GET HURT.
AND THOSE PEOPLE, THE LAST PERSON THAT THEY DID CATCH IN THERE HAD SYRINGES IN HIS BAG.
I DON'T WANT TO GET POKED WITH THE SYRINGE.
I DON'T WANT TO GET KNOCKED DOWN.
SO ANYWAY, I, THE POLICE USED TO HAVE A MONTHLY MEETING OR NOT A MONTHLY MEETING BUT MAYBE QUARTERLY OR I WENT TO A COUPLE OF THEM AT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT APPEARS TO ME THEY AREN'T DOING THAT ANYMORE.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT HAPPEN AGAIN.
ACTUALLY MA'AM, I AM GOING TO HAVE A TOWN HALL MEETING.
AND WE WILL GIVE YOU INFORMATION ABOUT THAT.
BUT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A TOWN HALL MEETING SO YOU CAN COME UP AND TALK ABOUT THESE KINDS OF THINGS.
CAUSE YOU KNOW WHAT, ALL THESE THINGS YOU TALK ABOUT ARE VERY IMPORTANT TO US AND WE THINK ABOUT THESE THINGS ALL THE TIME AS WELL.
I HEAR COUNCIL STAFF JUST REAL QUICKLY ABOUT RUTH THORTON.
UH, SHE LIVES IN, OUT IN MY PARK HERE.
NOVIA AND JUST TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF KUDOS, SHE STARTED UP THE NEIGHBORHOOD WATCH RECENTLY IN OUR PARK.
UH, REAL QUICKLY, I JUST WANT TO GIVE, UH, SOME KUDOS TO UH, UH, CITY ATTORNEY MORGAN FOR FOLEY AND HIS STAFF.
ANYTIME I ASKED FOR INFORMATION TO THE CITY CLERK AND EVERYTHING ELSE, I IMMEDIATELY GET THE INFORMATION THAT I, THAT I'M ASKING FOR.
AND I APPRECIATE THAT VERY MUCH ABOUT THERE BEING MEDIATION, THE RENT MEDIATION FOR BY PARK VILLANOVA.
UH, JUST RECENTLY THIS PAST SATURDAY RECEIVED SOME UPDATES FROM THE, UH, FROM OUR BOARD PRESIDENT AND, UM, I'D, I'D LIKE TO SUBMIT SOMETHING TO CITY MANAGER, UH, GREY MITCHELL TO LOOK AT AS FAR AS THAT GOES.
AND IN THE FUTURE I WOULD LIKE TO MAYBE SCHEDULE ANOTHER MEETING WITH YOU TO TALK OVER SOME OF THE MATERIAL AND THINGS.
UH, AND AS FAR AS ANYTHING ELSE, I REALLY DON'T HAVE THAT MUCH TO SPEAK ABOUT TODAY.
BUT, UH, I SEE WE HAVE AN ORDINANCE NUMBER 21.
I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS THAT ALSO LATER ON BECAUSE I FEEL THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT AND THAT'S JUST IN REFERENCE TO WHAT RUTH THOUGHT AND WAS SPEAKING ABOUT ALSO.
AND UNLESS ANYONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME, THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.
THERE ARE NO WRITTEN COMMUNICATIONS AND NO PUBLIC HEARINGS ON TODAY'S AGENDA.
[13. Introduction of Ordinance Adding Chapter 16.56 to the El Cajon Municipal Code for the Creation of Easements by Recorded Covenants RECOMMENDATION: That the City Council considers approving the attached ordinance adding Chapter 16.56 to the El Cajon Municipal Code establishing the creation of easements by recorded covenants, and, if approved, take the following action: By Motion and Second, moves to introduce the ordinance, and Directs the City Clerk to read the title of the ordinance.]
ITEM 13 IS THE INTRODUCTION OF AN ORDINANCE ADDING CHAPTER 16.56 TO THE ALCON MUNICIPAL CODE STAFF.WOULD YOU TELL US ABOUT THIS PLEASE? THANK YOU MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.
MR CHUTE ASKED IF I WERE TO TAKE THE LEAD ON THIS ONE SINCE I WAS ASSISTING THEM IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS ORDINANCE.
UH, FROM TIME TO TIME, WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE SUBDIVIDING, UH, SMALLER UNITS, UH, YOU KNOW, TWO TO THREE LOTS IN THE CITY AND UH, THEY NEED TO PROVIDE AN EASEMENT THAT ALLOWS ACCESS TO UH, ONE OF OUR STREETS.
PRIVATE EASEMENT ALLOWS ONE ACCESS TO OUR STREETS FOR THOSE LOTS.
UH, WHEN ONE PERSON OWNS ALL THREE LOTS, HE, HE OR SHE CANNOT GIVE AN EASEMENT TO HIMSELF OR HERSELF.
UM, BUT THERE IS A PROCEDURE IN THE GOVERNMENT
[00:20:01]
CODE THAT ALLOWS US TO ADOPT AN ORDINANCE AS THAT SUCH AS THE ONE PRESENTED TO YOU AND THEN ALLOWS THAT SAME PERSON TO RECORD A COVENANT OF EASEMENT.UH, THE GENERAL REPORT DISCUSSES THAT IN MORE DETAIL, BUT IN EFFECT, IT'S A LEGAL WAY FOR ONE DEVELOPER, ONE PROPERTY OWNER WHO OWNS MULTIPLE LOTS AND OWN HEADSTONE, ALL OF THEM TO RECORD THIS DOCUMENT AND SATISFY OUR REQUIREMENTS TO ALLOW FOR AN EASEMENT IN THE FUTURE WHEN THE PROPERTIES HAVE BEEN CONVEYED TO THIRD PARTIES IS ACTUALLY, UH, CAME UP RECENTLY, UH, IN THE PROCESS OF REVIEWING A, A SMALL SUBDIVISION OR ATTENDED A PARCEL MAP.
AND, UH, WE'VE LOOKED INTO IT AND FOUND THIS PROCEDURE TO BE SOMETHING THAT MAY BE OF USE TO A DEVELOPER.
IT DOESN'T ALLOW, IT DOESN'T REQUIRE THEM WAIT UNTIL THE, THE PROPERTIES ARE SOLD AND THEN WORRY ABOUT GETTING, UM, UH, EASEMENTS THEN RECORDED, UH, AFTER THE FACT.
SOMETIMES YOU CAN'T, UM, CHASE DOWN SOMEBODY AND GET, GET THE, GET THE EASEMENT RECORDED.
UH, BUT INSTEAD IT ACTUALLY IS RECORDED AGAINST THE PROPERTIES OF ALL OF THE PARCELS THAT AT THE VERY BEGINNING.
AND THEN WE ALL KNOW, AND THE, AND THE PUBLIC KNOWS THAT THE EASEMENTS ARE EITHER THERE ARE GOING TO BE PLACED THERE FORMERLY WITH ANOTHER DOCUMENT.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'D BE HAPPY TO TRY TO ANSWER THOSE FOR YOU.
ANGELA, DO WE HAVE ANY CARDS THAT ARE FOR PUBLIC SPEAKERS? NO SIR.
ALL RIGHT, COUNSEL, UH, BRING IT BACK TO YOU.
ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? SOMEBODY LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION MOVE.
LET'S MOVE TO THE SECOND PLEASE.
MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.
AND WITH YOUR PERMISSION, SIR, I'LL INTRODUCE THE TITLE AND ORDINANCE ADDING A NEW CHAPTER 16.56 TO THE EL CAHONE MUNICIPAL CODE ADDRESSING EASTMAN'S.
THERE ARE NO COMMISSION REPORTS ON TODAY'S AGENDA.
ITEM 14 IS MY ACTIVITIES REPORT IS AS REPORTED.
THERE ARE NO LEGISLATIVE UPDATES TODAY.
[14. ACTIVITIES REPORTS/COMMENTS OF COUNCILMEMBERS:]
OUT THE ACTIVITY.REMEMBER THEORY REPORTS OF COUNCIL MEMBERS, COUNCILMAN GARY KENDRICK AS REPORTED COUNCIL MEMBER
THEN WITH THE ADDITION OF THAT I MET WITH JIM SIGLEY LIANO YESTERDAY.
DEPUTY MAYOR STEVE GOBLE AS REPORTED THERE IN A JOINT COUNCIL MEMBER REPORTS ITEM 20TH FOR INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES ONLY.
[21. Introduction of Ordinance Amending Chapter 2.12 of the El Cajon Municipal Code related to City Council Procedures RECOMMENDATION: That the City Council considers approving the attached ordinance amending Chapter 2.12 of the El Cajon Municipal Code related to City Council Procedures, and if approved, take the following action: By Motion and Second, moves to introduce the ordinance; and Directs the City Clerk to read the title of the ordinance.]
ITEM 21 IS THE FIRST READING AND INTRODUCTION OF AN ORDINANCE AMENDING CHAPTER 2.12 AND STAFF, WOULD YOU TELL US ABOUT THIS PLACE? THANK YOU MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.UM, AT THE LAST MEETING WE BROUGHT TO YOU AN ITEM THAT, UM, DISCUSSED THE, UM, THE IDEA OF MAKING MODIFICATIONS TO CHAPTER TWO 12 OF TITLE TWO OF OUR MUNICIPAL CODE RELATED TO COUNT CITY COUNCIL PROCEDURES.
HAVING RECEIVED THE INPUT FROM YOU AND FROM THE PUBLIC.
UH, OUR OFFICE WENT AHEAD AND MODIFIED THE, UM, THE CHANGES THAT WE WERE SUGGESTING AND UH, THOSE ARE BEEN GIVEN TO YOU AS PART OF THE CITY COUNCIL PACKET.
I SHOULD NOTE THAT PASSED OUT TO YOU TODAY BEFORE THE MEETING WAS ONE SLIGHT CHANGE IT HAS TO DO WITH SECTION 2.1 2.15 A THREE, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER GOLDWELL HAD CONTACTED ME AND SUGGESTED THAT WE MAKE THE CHANGES REFLECTED THE RED LINE PASSED OUT.
I THINK IT'S A VERY GOOD KACHIN AND A APPROPRIATE CHANGE.
IT'S SIMPLY CHANGES THE, THE TERM ORAL COMMUNICATIONS TO PUBLIC COMMENT A TERM WHICH WE USE WITH OUR AGENDA AND IS USED IN AT LEAST ONE PLACE IN THE BROWN ACT.
SO WITH THAT, UH, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE BEFORE YOU, UH, HANDLE THE INTRODUCTION OF THE ORDINANCE AND I THINK MR
I'LL LET THE CITY CLERK HANDLE THAT THEN.
ANGELA, DO YOU HAVE ANY SPEAKERS FOR THE SILENCE? WE DO.
WE HAVE ONE CARD FOR MR JIM CITY.
UH, JUST REAL QUICKLY TO SOMEONE THAT'S NOT THAT FAMILIAR WITH WHAT WE'RE SPEAKING ABOUT COMPLETELY.
UH, THE CHANGES A LOT OF TO ME IS JUST COMMON SENSE LIKE RUTH THOUGHT AND JUST SPOKE ABOUT HERE.
UM, IT WASN'T A NICE THING WE WENT THROUGH.
AND IS THERE ANY WAY THAT I CAN FIND OUT MORE INFORMATION EXACTLY WHAT, WHAT'S BEING CHANGED OR WHAT THE ACTUAL PROCEDURES ARE? THE UM, THE DOCUMENT IS IN THE, THE MARK CHANGES IS IN THE AGENDA WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE CHANGES I REFERRED TO.
ARE YOU REFERRING TO WHAT I JUST MENTIONED?
[00:25:01]
YES, IT HAS TO DO WITH CHANGING THE TERM ORAL COMMUNICATION IN TWO PLACES TO PUBLIC COMMENT BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE USED IN THE OTHER, IN THE OTHER PARTS OF THE ORDINANCE.WELL, BUT I GUESS MY, MY CONCERN IS JUST LIKE ANYONE ELSE THAT WHEN IT COMES UP AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THERE'LL BE SOME REACTION NO MATTER WHAT IT IS, WHETHER IT'S THE POLICE OR YOU KNOW, KINDLY ESCORTING THEM OUT.
AND I KNOW THIS BRINGS UP OTHER ISSUES AND THINGS, BUT, UH, I JUST, IF IT DOES HAPPEN AGAIN, I JUST HOPE THAT WE'RE ALL READY FOR IT.
AND IT'S, IS THERE ANYTHING ABOUT THIS AGENDA ITEM THAT YOU WANTED TO TALK ABOUT IT? NO, THAT'S FINE.
I'LL STICK TO THE AGENDA ITEM.
ANY OTHER CARD, SIR? ALL RIGHT.
COUNSEL, ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? I'VE GOT A QUESTION FROM OREGON.
COULD YOU EXPAND ON IDENTIFYING DESIGNATION? YES.
UH, WE, I PLACED THAT IN THERE, UH, BECAUSE THERE'S SOME PEOPLE WHO DON'T WANT TO IDENTIFY THEMSELVES BY BY NAME YET.
WE SHOULD HAVE SOME WAY TO BE ABLE TO CALL THEM UP WHEN IT'S TIME FOR THEM TO BE HERE BECAUSE WE USE A CARD SYSTEM AND IT SHOULD BE SOME SORT OF DESIGNATION THAT, UH, THE CITY COUNCIL CAN THEN REFER TO THAT PERSON.
SO IF IT SAYS SOMEBODY SAYS, I WANT TO BE REFERRED TO AS JANE DOE, THEN YOU WOULD REFER TO THAT PERSON AS JANE DOE AS OPPOSED TO, UH, MS UNKNOWN OR MR RUN KNOWN, WHOEVER IT IS.
SO IT'S JUST A MATTER OF COMMON COURTESY TO HAVE SOME DESIGNATION, UH, PREFERABLY SOMETHING THAT'S PRONOUNCEABLE THAT THE CITY COUNCIL CAN INQUIRE WITH QUESTIONS IN A, IN A POLITE AND, AND, UH, UH, PROFESSIONAL MANNER, UH, AND HAVE THE DIALOGUE THAT'S IMPORTANT TO ADDRESS THE ISSUES THAT THAT PERSON BRINGS TO THE COUNCIL.
SO, UM, I F I, I ALMOST FEAR THAT IT'S A
UH, WE'RE, WE'RE GOING DOWN THAT ROAD AND I, I JUST DON'T AGREE WITH HAVING ANY OTHER IDENTIFYING DESIGNATION RATHER THAN YOUR NAME.
UM, I THINK, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY COMES UP AND SAYS, I'M A KOALA.
UM, YOU KNOW, AND THEN WE JUST KIND OF HAVE TO GO ALONG WITH IT BECAUSE, BECAUSE WE HAVE TO HAVE A STANDARD OF HOW ARE WE GOING TO HAVE AN INTEL, YOU KNOW, AN INTELLECTUAL CONVERSATION ABOUT IT IF THAT'S NOT THE CASE.
AND I ALSO HAVE A HUGE PROBLEM WITH, UM, WHEN THE, THE STANCE OF NOT ADDRESSING, NOT, NOT GIVING YOUR ADDRESS AS A MEANS OF VIOLATING THE BROWN ACT.
UM, AND ALTHOUGH IT ISN'T AS CONCRETE AS I THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO BE, I THINK, AND EVEN LET'S SAY I, YOU KNOW, I DARE SAY EVEN IF IT IS, I THINK IT'S A GOOD FIGHT TO HAVE BECAUSE NOBODY ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE, AND I'VE BEEN PREVIEW TO THIS, UH, NUMEROUS OCCASIONS WHERE PEOPLE WOULD COME UP AND THEY DON'T LIVE IN THE CITY YET.
THEY'RE, YOU'RE, THEY'RE TAKING UP TIME, UM, FROM ACTUAL RESIDENTS AND ACTUAL CONCERNS.
SO I MEAN, IT IS, THIS ISN'T THE FIRST TIME, EVEN IF IT WAS, IF IT WOULD BE UPHELD IN LAW THAT IT IS A BAD LAW, UH, BECAUSE WE NOBODY ELSE, NOBODY ELSE WOULD KNOW.
UH, WE'VE, WE'VE HAD MORE PEOPLE SPEAK AT CITY COUNCIL THAT DON'T LIVE HERE, THAT ACTUALLY LIVE HERE.
AND MOST PEOPLE DON'T KNOW THAT.
UH, SO THAT'S, THAT THOSE TWO ARE OUR ISSUES.
FOR ME, I WOULD NOT, I, UH, ADDRESS ANYBODY BY, UH, IDENTIFYING DESIGNATION OUT OF COURTESY.
I W YOU KNOW, IT HAS TO BE THEIR NAME.
UM, THAT'S WHAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT THEY WERE GIVEN AT BIRTH, THAT THEY WANT TO CHANGE IT OR WHATEVER.
THAT'S HOW WE, YOU KNOW, THIS WE'RE ADULTS, YOU KNOW, NOBODY'S GONNA COME UP HERE AND SAY THAT THEY'RE WHATEVER.
AND THEN THERE'S ALSO THE, MY, MY CONCERN OF PEOPLE NOT LIVING HERE AND IF THE ARGUMENT IS WELL TO PROTECT THEIR IDENTITY WHILE WE, WE NEED TO KNOW WHO THEY ARE, IF THEY HAVE AN ISSUE AT A LEGITIMATE ISSUE.
IF I, IF I COME UP TO ANY GOVERNMENT BODY AND, UH, ADDRESS AN ISSUE I HAVE, I WOULDN'T, I WOULDN'T HIDE UNDER THE GUISE OF BEING ANONYMOUS OR NOT TELLING ANYBODY WHERE I LIVE.
UM, SO THE, THESE ARE SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT I HAVE HERE WITH THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN.
AND, UM, I PROBABLY WOULD HAVE, WOULD HAVE A, UH, A REBUTTAL AFTER.
I JUST WANT TO STRESS THAT THE BROWN ACT DOES NOT REQUIRE THAT PEOPLE GIVE THEIR NAME, DOES NOT REQUIRE GIVE THEIR ADDRESS.
AND I THINK THE IDEA OF THE ORDINANCE REQUIRING THAT MANDATING THAT, UH,
UH, BECAUSE NO PERSON HAS AN OBLIGATION TO HAVE TO GIVE THAT NAME OR ADDRESS.
NOW, IF A PERSON WANTS SOMETHING DONE, A STREET, A POTHOLE,
[00:30:01]
FIXED, STORE, A PATROL TO BE INCREASED IN A CERTAIN AREA, UH, OR, UH, A CRITICISM OF A DECISION THAT WAS MADE, THEY MAY VERY WELL VOLUNTEER THEIR NAME AND THEIR ADDRESS IF THEY WANTED TO AFFORD, UH, THE COUNCIL TO USE IN CONTACTING THEM.UH, BUT THE, THE REAL PROBLEM COMES FROM THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE FEARFUL OF RETRIBUTION FROM A NEIGHBOR, FROM SOMEBODY WHO OUT SOME, SOMEBODY ELSE IN THE COMMUNITY OR OUTSIDE THE COMMUNITY THAT THAT MAY, UH, HAVE THREATENED HARM OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND WE BROADCAST THESE, WE WEBSTREAM, UH, THEM LIVE AND WE BROADCAST THESE MEETINGS AND THEIR FACES UP THERE ON THE SCREEN.
AND, UM, SOMEBODY MAY TAKE AN ISSUE WITH WHAT'S BEING SAID WHILE THEY'RE WATCHING THESE ON, UH, THE VIDEO, UH, THE COMPUTER OR, OR THE TV CAMERA.
SO, UH, IT'S A MATTER OF PERSONAL PRIVACY AND PUBLIC SAFETY.
WE DID ADD LANGUAGE ABOUT, UM, UH, CHANGED SOME OF THE LANGUAGE ABOUT ANONYMITY AND THE USE OF ANONYMOUS STATEMENT.
UH, STATEMENTS AND WHETHER THEY SHOULD BE CONSIDERED OR NOT BE CONSIDERED.
AND WE, WE DID, UH, MAKE SOME CHANGES IN THAT REGARD.
BUT UM, WE FEEL THAT IT'S IMPORTANT TO ENCOURAGE PUBLIC PARTICIPATION THAT YOU DON'T STIFLE THAT PARTICIPATION THROUGH, UH, UH, THREATS OF PROSECUTION OF VIOLATING OUR ORDINANCE IF YOU DON'T GIVE A NAME.
SO I W I WOULD ONLY SAY TO THAT IS IT, I MEAN, PEOPLE COME UP WITH THAT HAVE LEGITIMATE ISSUES, SHOULDN'T FEAR RETRIBUTION OR, OR, OR HARM AND IN THE CON IN THAT CONTEXT, BECAUSE IF, IF THAT'S, IF THAT'S LIKE A COP OUT, BECAUSE IF THAT'S, IF THAT'S THE STANDARD THAT YOU'RE GOING TO USE YOU, YOU COULD JUST AS EASILY, UH, CUT SOMEBODY OFF ON THE ROAD AND THEN THEIR ROAD RAGE, RETRIBUTION.
WE SHOULDN'T, THAT'S JUST A PANDORA'S BOX.
I, I JUST FEEL THAT IF SOMEBODY HAS AN ISSUE, NOBODY WITH A LEGITIMATE ISSUE THAT I SAID, I'VE BEEN HERE TWO YEARS NOW, NOBODY WITH A LEGITIMATE ISSUE, WHETHER IT'S JIM OR RUTH OR WHOEVER ELSE I'VE SEEN UP HERE, SPEAK WITH A LEGITIMATE ISSUE, DID NOT GIVE THEIR FIRST NAME, LAST NAME AND ARE HAPPY TO GIVE THEIR THEIR ADDRESS BECAUSE, BECAUSE THEY HAVE LEGITIMATE ISSUES, UH, OH, NOT DOING THAT.
WOULD OPEN THE DOOR TO, TO HAVING UNLIT GITELMAN ISSUES COME UP AND SPEAK AND, AND RETRIBUTION.
WELL, THERE'S A, THERE'S A, THERE'S A, YOU KNOW, ANTIDOTE FOR THAT.
THERE'S THE LAW, SO ANYBODY GOES TO SOMEBODY ELSE, THEN YOU CAN CALL THE COPS.
UM, BUT, UM, I JUST, I DON'T, I DON'T AGREE AND I DON'T LIKE HOW PEOPLE CAN COME UP AND ALTHOUGH IT DOESN'T REQUIRE THEM, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT I, I WOULD SAY IT'S NOT IMPOSSIBLE.
ALTHOUGH THE BROWN ACT DOESN'T REQUIRE THEM TO GIVE THEIR NAME OR WHATEVER.
I WOULDN'T SAY IT'S NOT IMPOSSIBLE THAT THAT CITY CAN, CAN ENFORCE IT AND WHETHER, WHETHER OR NOT IT HOLDS UP.
UM, I THINK IT ALL DEPENDS ON HOW, HOW MUCH OF A FIGHT YOU WANNA FIGHT.
BUT, UH, WE, WE JUST, I MEAN, IF WE'RE LIVING IN A TIME WHERE WE HAVE TO PUT IN IDENTIFYING DESIGNATION, I, I'M AUTOMATICALLY TURNED OFF LIKE WHAT'S AN IDENTIFYING DESIGNATION? SO I WOULDN'T, I WOULDN'T, I DON'T, I DON'T LIKE THE, THESE PARTS OF, OF THE CHANGES BECAUSE IT'S JUST GOING DOWN WEIRD, WEIRD PATHS OF THIS TIPTOEING ON POLITICALLY INCORRECT.
AND WE HAVE TO CALL PEOPLE WITH IT, YOU KNOW? AND WHAT'S YOUR NAME AND THE ADDRESS AND LET'S GET DOWN TO BUSINESS.
STEVE, I HAVE A DIFFERENT PART OF YOU THAT, UH, FOR EXPANDED FREE SPEECH, YOU CAN CALL YOURSELF A COROLLA IF YOU WANT TO, BECAUSE THE PRINCIPLE IS WHAT ARE THE ISSUE THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? NOT WHERE DO YOU LIVE OR WHO ARE YOU? UH, YOU COULD BE FROM THE CITY OF SAN DIEGO AND YOU COULD GIVE YOUR FIRST NAME AS KOALA, BUT AT THE ISSUE THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS SOMETHING THAT I NEED TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT AND ACT UPON.
YOU CAN BE FROM TEMECULA FOR ALL I CARE.
IT'S THE ISSUE THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT IT'S IMPORTANT TO ME, NOT WHO YOU ARE.
SO I DON'T THINK YOU NEED TO GIVE YOUR NAME OR ADDRESS.
I'M MORE INTERESTED IN WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY.
SO I THINK, UH, WE ARE EXPANDING THE FREE SPEECH OF PEOPLE BY REDUCING THESE LIMITATIONS OF NAME AND, UH, ADDRESS AS FAR AS ONE OF THE OTHER ITEMS, UH, FOR THE PUBLIC TO KNOW THERE IS A CERTAIN LEVEL OF PROFANITY AND PERHAPS EVEN VULGARITY THAT IS PERMISSIBLE UNDER THE FIRST AMENDMENT FREE SPEECH.
I SAY A LIMIT BECAUSE AS THE CITY ATTORNEY HAS RESEARCHED AND PUT INTO THE, UM, CODE FOR US, IF THAT FREE SPEECH BECOMES AN ACTUAL DISRUPTION AND THAT THOSE TERMS ARE DEFINED, THAT'S DIFFERENT.
NOW YOU HAVE A LIMIT ON FREE SPEECH BECAUSE YOU ARE DISRUPTING A MEETING.
AND INDEED AT THAT POINT, UH, THIS PARTICULAR THING SAYS WE CAN CALL FOR A RECESS TO CALM THINGS DOWN OR TO PRESIDING PERSON.
IN MOST CASES, THE MAYOR CAN SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, UH, I LIKE THE CITY MANAGER TO DEAL WITH THE SITUATION IN WAYS THAT HE FEELS APPROPRIATE.
SO PROFANITY AS MUCH AS IT MAY BE A REPORT TO REPULSIVE IS A PROTECTED FORM.
[00:35:01]
SOME INSTANCES WITH SOME LIMITS AND IT'S A SACRED TIME FOR PUBLIC COMMENT AND WE AS PAINFUL AS THAT MAY BE, WE NEED TO LISTEN TO THAT AS PART OF OUR FREE SPEECH PART OF AMERICA.THE FINAL ITEM THAT I HAVE IS UH, ADDRESSING ANY COUNCIL MEMBER.
I'M GLAD TO SEE THAT IN THERE AND THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT I HAD ASKED FOR BECAUSE OF DISTRICT COLLECTIONS.
NOW, UH, I SHOULD BELIEVE THAT DURING PUBLIC COMMENT YOU SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO ADDRESS AN INDIVIDUAL COUNCIL PERSON AND NOT THE COUNCIL AS A WHOLE.
SO I'M PLEASED TO SEE THAT IN THERE.
WELL FIRST OF ALL, I DO NOT WANT TO LIMIT THE, UH, SPEAKING ABILITY OF ANYBODY TO COME HERE AND SPEAK TO THIS COUNCIL.
MOST OF OUR FRIENDS HERE THAT ARE STUDENTS AT VALHALLA, IF THAT WERE TO PASS, THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO COME UP HERE AND TALK TO US AND ELMWOOD.
IF EVERY ONE OF YOU WANTS TO COME UP HERE AND GET IN LINE AND TALK TO US ABOUT SOMETHING, MAYBE YOU, UH, THERE'S A BAD ROAD THAT YOU, THERE'S A POTHOLE YOU WANT TO TELL US ABOUT OR MAYBE A CITY EMPLOYEE YOU FELT ABUSED.
THE OTHER THING IS, UH, IT'S NOT UP TO US.
DECIDE WHAT IS LEGITIMATE ON YOUR CONCERNS.
IF SOMEONE IN HERE FEELS THAT THEY HAVE A LITURGY, DIGITAL
SO I WANT, I DON'T WANT TO LIMIT THE PUBLIC DIALOGUE IN ANY WAY.
AND I THINK, UH, NOT GIVING THE FIRST NAME OR ANY NAME AT ALL IS JUST FINE BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE DO FEEL FEAR.
RETRIBUTION AND I, I'VE BEEN TOLD THAT BY PEOPLE AND THAT'S WHY THEY DON'T GIVE THEIR FIRST NAME OR THEIR LAST NAME.
I WOULD AGREE WITH WHAT GARY SAID AND UH, WE NEED TO LET PEOPLE COME UP, EXPRESS THEIR CONCERNS, UH, WHETHER THEY GIVE THEIR NAME OR NOT.
UM, THEY MIGHT LIVE ON THE STREET WITH SOMEBODY THAT'S BEEN CAUSING THEM GREAT HARM AND WANT TO SPEAK TO THE ISSUE, BUT DON'T WANT TO GIVE THEIR NAME FOR FEAR OF RETRIBUTION.
SO I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT THAT THEY'D BE PROTECTED IN THAT MANNER.
SO I AGREE WITH WHAT GARY SAID AND, UH, STEVE
IS THAT, IS THAT ACCURATE? WHY WOULD THEY NOT BE ABLE TO
I, I WHAT I'M SAYING IS I THINK THAT EVERYONE SHOULD BE ABLE TO SPEAK HERE WHERE THEY LIVE IN THE CITY OR NOT.
I NEVER SAID NOBODY SHOULD BE ABLE TO SPEAK, BUT YOU HAVE TO SAY YOUR ADDRESS.
CAUSE THEN IT GIVES VALIDITY TO WHAT, TO WHAT YOU'RE ACTUALLY SAYING.
AND, AND ALSO, UM, TO BOB'S POINT, IF SOMEBODY LIVES IN YOUR STREET THAT'S SEEKING RETRIBUTION AND YOU DON'T GIVE YOUR NAME, YOU JUST TOLD EVERYBODY THAT THEY'RE BEING RECORDED, SO YOU'LL SEE THEM ON TV.
WELL, I JUST WANT TO SAY FOR THE RECORD THAT THERE ARE VERY COMPLICATED ISSUES THAT HAPPENED IN THIS ROOM.
WE'VE DEALT WITH ISSUES OF STREET VIOLENCE.
WE'VE DEALT WITH ISSUES OF HOMELESSNESS.
THE THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED IN THIS ROOM SOMETIMES INFLAMED THE SENSIBILITIES OF PEOPLE ALL OVER THE WORLD.
I'VE GOTTEN EMAILS FROM EVERY CONTINENT ON EARTH AND SOMETIMES PEOPLE GET OVERLY EXCITED ABOUT THINGS THAT THEY SHOULDN'T GET OVERLY EXCITED ABOUT IT.
SOMETIMES THEY BECOME VIOLENT AND THIS SHOULD BE A SAFE PLACE WHERE PEOPLE CAN SPEAK.
I ALSO THINK THAT IT'S IMPORTANT TO PROTECT FREE SPEECH, NOT JUST IN WHAT YOU SAY, BUT WHAT YOU DON'T SAY.
I THINK YOU HIT A PART OF FREE SPEECH IS NOT BEING COMPELLED TO SPEAK AND SAY THINGS YOU DON'T WANT TO SAY.
I THINK WHAT MAKES AMERICA GREAT IS IT PERFECT NOT BY A LONG SHOT, BUT HAPPENS TO BE THE BEST SYSTEM ON EARTH, EXCEPT THAT THE STUDENTS HAVE TO SPEAK.
KNOW IF ANY OF YOU, ONE OF THE TAKE IT UP LEGALLY.
BOB COULDN'T REALLY MAKE YOU SPEAK, BUT HE DID ANYWAY, SO YOU MAY HAVE TO SUE HIM.
WELL, SOME OF THEM HAD TO BE RATTED ON IN ORDER TO GET HIM DOWN HERE.
I WANT TO PIGGY BACK OFF OF A LITTLE BIT OF WHAT YOU SAID, UM, ABOUT NOT SOMETIMES IT'S IMPORTANT TO, UH, YOU KNOW, FREE SPEECHES.
IT'S A, IT'S EQUALLY IMPORTANT TO NOT SAY ANYTHING AT ALL.
UH, THE PREVIOUS MAYOR, MARK LEWIS, UH, DURING THE HEIGHT OF SO-CALLED SCANDAL, WHATEVER YOU SAID.
UM, WHEN THE COUNCIL, I THINK YOU SAT HERE, BILL, I REMEMBER WHEN THE COUNCIL WAS ALL FULL OF PEOPLE AND UPROAR ABOUT WHAT HE SAID.
UM, SOMEBODY I PUT IN MY NAME ON A SPEAKER CARD TO SPEAK CAUSE THEY THOUGHT I WASN'T GONNA UH, YOU KNOW, BASH HIM CAUSE WE, WE HAD FRICTION BUT I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T GET UP TO SPEAK CAUSE I, WELL NUMBER ONE, I DIDN'T FILL OUT THE SPEAKER CARD AND TO I, ALTHOUGH I DIDN'T AGREE WITH WHAT HE SAID,
[00:40:01]
I I HAVE TO PROTECT HIS RIGHT TO SAY IT.WELL, WE ALL KNEW WHERE HE LIVED AND WE ALL KNEW HIS NAME SO AND SO.
YES, FREE SPEECH IS A MATTER OF SOMETIMES OF NOT, NOT SAYING ANYTHING AS A FORM OF FREE SPEECH, BUT IT'S SO IMPORTANT THAT IN ORDER TO, UM, STIFLE ANY, UM, HAVING ANY SHELLS UP THERE TO SAY T T TO GET TO ENGAGE IN POLITICS RATHER THAN SUBSTANCE.
I AM, I'M, I'M STICKING TO THAT.
OF COURSE, THE FIRST AMENDMENT AND, AND, AND, UH, PROFANITY.
UH, TO SOME DEGREES THESE ARE FINE, BUT NOTICE HOW HE SAID IT WOULD BE, UH, MY COLLEAGUE TO MY RIGHT, WHICH SAID THAT IT WOULD BE UP TO, UH, YOU KNOW, THE CITY MANAGER TO DECIDE ON THE LIMITS OF PROFANITY.
UM, NO, THAT'S EXACTLY THE PROBLEM IS WHO DECIDES WHO DECIDES WHAT IS ENOUGH TO, UH, AS FAR AS PROFANITY.
SO, UH, IF YOU, IF YOU SET RULES AND GUIDELINES THAT ARE PROFESSIONAL AND PROFOUNDLY PRAGMATIC, THEN YOU DON'T NEED TO LOOK OVER TO THE CITY MANAGER.
TO MAKE THE DETERMINATION AS TO WHAT HIS FREE SPEECH, SAY YOUR NAME, GIVE YOUR ADDRESS AND TELL US WHAT, WHAT THE ISSUE IS AND LET'S GET DOWN TO BUSINESS.
THAT'S WHAT I, WHAT I WANTED TO SAY.
OKAY, WELL WE'VE HASHED IT OUT.
ANYBODY LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION SAFE? I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVES THE ATTACKS ORDINANCE AMENDING CHAPTER 2.1 TO THE ALCOHOL MUNICIPAL CODE.
VOTE MOTION CARRIES BY A FOUR ONE VOTE WITH COUNCIL MEMBER COLLAGIO VOTING NO.
AND WITH YOUR PERMISSION, SIR, I WILL INTRODUCE THE ORDINANCE AND ORDINANCE AMENDING CHAPTER 2.12 OF THE ALCOHOL MUNICIPAL CODE RELATING TO CITY COUNCIL PROCEDURES.
ALL RIGHT, THERE ARE NO SECOND READINGS OF ORDINANCES TODAY
[23. CLOSED SESSIONS:]
AND WE ARE NOW CLOSED SESSION.MR ATTORNEY, WOULD YOU PLEASE RECITE THE TITLES AND LEAD US INTO THE CLOSED SESSION? I APOLOGIZE MARY.
UH, CITY COUNCIL WILL BE A JOURNEY TO CLOSE SESSION FOR A CONFERENCE WITH ITS LEGAL COUNSEL ON EXISTING LITIGATION PURSUANT TO PARAGRAPH ONE A SUBDIVISION D OF GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION FIVE FOUR NINE FIVE 6.9 THE NAME OF THE CASE IS ELKO CITY OF ALCOHOL VERSUS A S S C S L L C AND CLOUD NINE WELLNESS CENTER INC TO ENDOS ONE THROUGH 50 JUST FOR THE STUDENTS.
BENEFIT MOST EVERYTHING WE DO IS IN PUBLIC SESSION, BUT SOMETIMES WE GO INTO CLOSED SESSION WHERE NOT EVERYBODY CAN HEAR AND THAT USUALLY HAS TO DO WITH LITIGATION OR PERSONNEL MATTERS AND, AND SO USUALLY CLOSED SESSIONS, A PRETTY SHORT PERIOD OF TIME, THREE OR FOUR MINUTES, MAYBE 10 BUT APPARENTLY THIS CLOSED SESSION MAY GO UP TO AN HOUR.
SO WE WILL COME BACK AND FINISH THE MEETING AFTER CLOSED SESSION.
BUT, UH, WE WON'T BE BACK FROM MOUNT WARNING WHEN WE WENT BACK FOR A WHILE.
MARY, BEFORE WE ADJOURN, I, I'VE ADMITTED ITEM 23 THAT'S A CLOSED SESSION FOR CONFERENCE WITH LABOR NEGOTIATORS PERSONA TO GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION FIVE FOUR NINE FIVE 7.6 THE AGENCIES REPRESENTED AND CITIES REPRESENTATIVES ARE LISTED ON THE AGENDA ITEM, INCLUDING MR. MITCHELL, MR DIMAGGIO, MR SHANE AND MS THORN AND THE ORGANIZATIONS OF NEGOTIATIONS WILL BE ALL OF THE, UH, EMPLOYEE, UH, ORGANIZATIONS AS LISTED AS WELL AS THE EXECUTIVE UNREPRESENTED AND CONFIDENTIAL EMPLOYEES.
WELL, JUST FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE STUDENTS OUT THERE, WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT IN CLOSED SESSION ARE LABOR NEGOTIATIONS, WAGES, AND WORKING CONDITIONS FOR CITY EMPLOYEES.
THAT INCLUDES POLICE AND FIRE.
THERE IS A MOTION ON THE TABLE.
MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.
MICHELLE, WE'RE GOING TO GO TO CLOSE SESSION NOW AND WE'LL BE BACK IN A LITTLE WHILE.
ALL RIGHT, MR SANITARY, WILL YOU REPORT ON ACTIONS TAKEN IN? CLOSED SESSION IS STILL AWAKE.
UH, THE CITY COUNCIL IN CLOSED SESSION ON TWO ITEMS AND THE FIRST ITEM WAS A CONFERENCE WITH LEGAL COUNSEL ON EXISTING LITIGATION, UH, DIRECTION WAS GIVEN TO THE CITY'S ATTORNEYS.
AND THE SECOND ITEM, UH, THERE WAS NO ACTION TAKEN AND SO NOTHING TO REPORT.
THIS BRINGS US TO A GERMAN AT THE ADJOURN REVERIE JOINT MEETING OF THE ALCON CITY COUNCIL.
UM, ALCOHOL AUTHORITY, SUCCESSOR AGENCY, ALCOHOL REVENUE, ALL MY NAME.
SEE HOW THIS 22ND DAY OF JANUARY, 2019
[00:45:01]
IS THE JOURNAL.TUESDAY, JANUARY 22ND, 2019 AT 7:00 PM THANK YOU.