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[ CALL TO ORDER: Mayor Bill Wells]

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CALL THE ORDER

[ ROLL CALL: City Clerk Angela Aguirre]

AND LIKE TO ASK THE CITY CLERK TO CALL THE ROLE.

[ PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO FLAG AND MOMENT OF SILENCE]

WOULD YOU PLEASE STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE AND REMAIN STANDING AFTER THAT FOR A BRIEF MOMENT? SCIENCE AND MR GLOBAL, WOULD YOU LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE PLEASE? ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL

[ POSTINGS: The City Clerk posted Orders of Adjournment of the December 11, 2018, Meeting and the Agenda of the January 8, 2019, Meeting in accordance to State Law and Council/Authority/Successor Agency to the Redevelopment Agency Policy.]

THE CITY CLERK POSTED ORDERS OF A GERMAN OF THE DECEMBER 11TH, 2018 MEETING AND THE AGENDA OF THE JANUARY 8TH, 2019 MEETING IN ACCORDANCE WITH STATE LAW COUNCIL AND HOUSING AUTHORITY POLICY.

[ PRESENTATIONS: Presentation: U.S. Census Bureau Presentation: Forester Creek - San Diego River Park Foundation Presentation: International Rescue Committee ]

WE HAVE A FEW PRESENTATIONS TODAY.

THE FIRST ONE IS FROM THE US CENSUS BUREAU.

I LIKE TO INVITE ALEJANDRO AGUILAR TO THE PODIUM.

THAT'S JUGGLER.

WELCOME.

FIRST, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE CITY OF OKLAHOMA FOR INVITING ME TO SPEAK HERE.

AND LET'S GO AHEAD AND START.

SO THE, THE ROAD OF 2020.

SO MY NAME IS ALEJANDRO AGUILAR.

I'M A PARTNERSHIP SPECIALIST WITH THE US CENSUS BUREAU.

AND THE 2020 SENSE IS UM, WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO US TO COUNT EVERYONE ONCE ONLY ONCE AND IN THE RIGHT PLACE.

WHY DO WE DO, WHY DO WE DO A CENSUS? SO IF YOU GO, IF YOU LOOK AT ARTICLE ONE, SECTION TWO OF THE CONSTITUTION, THE ACTUAL NUMERATION SHALL BE MADE WITHIN THREE YEARS AFTER THE MEETING, THE FIRST MEETING OF CONGRESS OF THE UNITED STATES, AND WITHIN EVERY SUBSEQUENTIAL TERM OF THE 10 YEARS, SUCH AS SUCH MANNER AS SHALL BE DIRECTED AT LAW DIRECTS.

AND THE OTHER BIG REASON IS THE KEY KEY PURPOSE IS A CORPORATE APPROPRIATING OF THE U S HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES.

AND WHY DOES IT 2020 SENTENCES MATTER? SO A LOT OF, A LOT OF THE, THE FUNDING WITH GOES INTO IT WITH THE CONGRESSIONAL REPRESENTATION, THE REAPPROACH PORTION MEANT OF AND REDISTRICTING, THE 675 BILLION DISTRIBUTED ANNUALLY DISTRIBUTED, UH, FUNDING DISTRIBUTED BASED ON POPULATION OVER 76 BILLION EACH YEAR FOR THE STATE, APPROXIMATELY 2000 PER CALIFORNIA AND COUNTED FEDERAL FUNDING.

SO CENSUS DATA INFORMS, UH, HOW THE 675 BILLION IS DISTRIBUTED ANNALEE AMONG LOCAL, STATE AND TRIBAL GOVERNMENTS FOR OUR PROGRAMS LIKE TRANSPORTATION, JOB TRAINING, UH, SCHOOLS, SENIORS, SENIORS, AND FOSTERS, UH, CARE CENTERS AND ALSO HOUSING.

AND THE GOALS, THE GOALS FOR 2020 CENSUS IS TO MAINTAIN THE QUALITY, REDUCE COSTS.

UH, THE FOUR YEARS OF INNOVATION IS, UH, EFFECTIVE EFFECT IF IT AFFECTS IT IN BUILDING IN THE ADDRESS LIST, UH, EASY WAYS TO RESPOND, BETTER USE OF INFORMATION WE ALREADY HAVE AND MORE EFFECTIVE, UH, FIELD OPERATIONS.

SO THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO DO A, A NEW, UM, WAY FOR PEOPLE TO STOP RESPONSE.

AND THE NEW ABILITY IS GOING TO BE, UH, THE INTERNET.

UH, IT'S GOING TO BE A KIND OF LIKE A PHONE CENTER.

IT'S GOING TO HAVE, UM, ABOUT 13 LANGUAGES.

UM, THERE'S GOING TO BE THE OLD FASHIONED WAY, WHICH IS A PAPER FORM.

AND ALSO IN PERSON, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE KIOSKS LOCATED WITHIN THE, LIKE FOR INSTANCE, OKLAHOMA ON DIFFERENT CITIES AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE, SO THAT WAY PEOPLE CAN ACTUALLY WALK IN, IN SELF RESPONSIVE, THEY HAVE WORRIES OR QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW TO FILL IT OUT.

SO THE IMPACT TOOK A HORN.

SO 74% OF OKLAHOMA AND CENSUS MALE PARTICIPATION RATE IN, IN 2010.

SO THAT'S ABOUT 76 OF OKLAHOMA FOLK AND REQUIRING FOLLOWUP OF SENSES ENUMERATORS IN 2010.

SO THE IMPACT, THE IMPACT ESTIMATE IS LET'S JUST SAY A THOUSAND, UM, THAT PEOPLE THAT DON'T REACH OUT RESPOND, LET'S SAY IT NOW OKLAHOMA.

SO AN ESTIMATE WOULD BE ABOUT A THOUSAND.

IF YOU DO THAT TIME, 1.95, WHICH IS HOW MUCH PER PERSON YOU'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT $2 MILLION IN A, IN A DECADE.

AND THE IMPACT ALSO IS THAT OKLAHOMA HAS TOO HARD TO COUNT

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CENSUS TRACKS IN POPULATION OF ABOUT 11,000.

THE PARTICIPANT RATE IS LOWER THAN 70 TO 70%.

THE HEART POPULATIONS ARE ALSO, UM, COMMUNITIES OF COLOR, UH, CHILDREN UNDER, ON THEIR FIVE TRIBAL MEMBERS, UH, RURAL COMMUNITIES.

AND HOW, HOW CAN WE WORK TOGETHER AND ENSURING A COMPLETE COUNT OF 2020.

SO THE BEST WAY IS TO IDENTIFY A COMMUNITY ORGANIZATION IN YOUR, IN YOUR CITY THAT WOULD WORK DIRECTLY WITH THE HEART TO COUNT POPULATION AND WHO CAN PARTNER WITH TO CONDUCT OUTREACH, UM, INCORPORATE CENSUS OUTREACH AND EDUCATION EFFORTS IN THE EXISTING COMMUNITIES, ENGAGEMENTS, COLLABORATION IN THE OKLAHOMA, UH, DIVERSE STAKEHOLDERS TO DELIVER, TRIED AND TESTED MESSAGES AND UTILIZE THE LEVERAGE EXISTING AND CITY INFRASTRUCTURE AND RESOURCES.

AND ANOTHER THING.

SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE A, WE'RE ACTUALLY RECRUITING A VERY HIGHLY RIGHT NOW WE HAVE ABOUT 1500 JOBS TO FILL WITHIN THE COUNTY OF SAN DIEGO AND ABOUT 500 WITHIN, ON THE AREA OF OKLAHOMA.

UM, THIS BASICALLY THE S THE EAST SIDE OF, OF UH, THE SAN DIEGO COUNTY AND THE COMMUNITY PARTNERSHIP AND ENGAGEMENT PROGRAM.

SO BASICALLY WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE IS WHAT WE WANT IS TO EDUCATE THE PEOPLE IN THE 2020 CENSUS TO FOSTER A COOPERATIVE WITH THE ENUMERATORS, ENCOURAGE COMMUNITY PARTNERS AND TO MOTIVATE PEOPLE TO SUFFERS MONTH, ENGAGE GROWTH ROOTS GRASSROOTS ORGANIZATIONS AND REACH OUT TO THE HEART ACCOUNT GROUPS AND THOSE WHO AREN'T MOTIVATED AND RESPONSE TO A NATIONAL CAMPAIGN.

SO A LOT OF THINGS TO THE, FOR THE, FOR WHAT WE WANT TO DO WITH, UH, WITH OKLAHOMA IS TO CREATE WHAT'S CALLED THE COMPLETE COUNT COMMITTEE.

AND THE BACKGROUND OF THIS IS THE STRUCTURE IS KIND OF LIKE, UM, IT'S, IT'S GOING TO BE A GROUP OF PEOPLE WITHIN THE CITY OF OKLAHOMA THAT COVERS LIKE GOVERNMENTS, MEDIA'S EDUCATION, WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT, BUSINESS, OTHER BASE AND NEEDS.

AND, BUT THIS IS KIND OF LIKE A SAMPLE OF WHAT IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE WHEN WE ACTUALLY CREATE THE COMPLETE COUNT WITHIN OUT THE HOME.

SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A DIFFERENT HEADS OF DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS.

UM, FOR INSTANCE, YOU GUYS WOULD HAVE A DESIGNEE FROM, UH, EL CAHONE AND WE WOULD HAVE LIKE PUBLIC PUBLIC OFFICIALS, DEPUTIES, UM, UH, OTHER, UH, UH, CBOS AND ALSO A GRASSROOTS ORGANIZATIONS WITHIN OKLAHOMA.

.

SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE IN THE KEY TIMELINE.

RIGHT NOW WE'RE ACTUALLY IN THE EDUCATION PHASE.

UM, SO WHAT THAT MEANS IS WE'RE TRYING TO EDUCATE THE PUBLIC AND, UM, AND THAT WAY WE CAN HELP, UH, KINDA MOVE TOWARDS THE AWARENESS PHASE.

BUT FIRST WE HAVE TO EDUCATE THE PUBLIC TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.

AND WE HAVE SOME NOW TO ABOUT APRIL.

AND THE OTHER THING, SO THIS IS, THIS IS SOMETHING I RESEARCHED FOR YOU GUYS.

SO INCENSE IN 2020 SENSES THE QUESTIONNAIRE, ONE I'LL HAVE THE SEPARATE MIDDLE EASTERN AND NORTH AMERICAN CATEGORIES AND THE REASON BEING IS THE CENSUS BUREAU FOLLOWS THE OFFICE OF MANAGEMENT AND BUDGET, RACE AND ETHNICITY STANDARDS.

MORE RESEARCH IS TESTING MORE RESEARCH AND TESTING IS NEEDED BEFORE WE CAN PROCEED AND TO IMPLEMENT THE PURPOSE OF TO IMPLEMENT AND SEPARATE MIDDLE EASTERN AND NORTH AMERICAN CATEGORIES.

WE ONLY, WE HAVE ONLY TESTED THE MEN CATEGORY AS AN ETHNICITY IN A COMBINED QUESTION FORMAT, NOT IN A SEPARATE QUESTION FORMAT.

THE CENSUS BUREAU WILL CONTINUE TO FURTHER AND EX AN EXTENSIVE RESEARCH ON HOW TO COLLECT ACCURATE RACE AND ETHNICITY DATA ACROSS IT SURVEYS.

ANY QUESTIONS? LET ME SEE.

THIS WOULD BE QUITE A THANK YOU FOR THE REPORT.

COUNSEL, ANY QUESTIONS? IT LOOKS LIKE YOU DID A GOOD JOB.

GOT IT.

GOT US ALL EDUCATED.

ALL RIGHT, WELL THANK YOU.

YES, WE HAVE A SUBSTANTIAL MIDDLE EASTERN IN EL CAHONE.

SO ARE YOU SEEING THAT THAT WILL NOT BE INCLUDED IN THE WHEN YOU'RE, WHEN YOU'RE ACTUALLY CHECKING THE BOX OF YOUR RACE AND ETHNICITY, THAT BOX WON'T BE LOCATED THERE.

BUT WHAT WILL BE LOCATED IS THE OTHER INDIA.

THAT'S WHY AS PART OF THE EDUCATION PART WOULD BE TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY FILL OUT PROPERLY AND THAT WAY.

UM, SO WHEN THEY ACTUALLY GET THE RESULTS FROM THE DECENNIAL, UM, THEY CAN ACTUALLY, THEY CAN ACTUALLY MAKE A BETTER ASSUMPTION ABOUT PUTTING THAT ONTO THE NEXT CENSUS GOING FORWARD.

AND THAT'LL, THERE'S ALSO A CENSUS BETWEEN EVERY 10 YEARS AND THEIR CENSUS IN BETWEEN THE 10 YEARS.

SO THERE'S ALWAYS A LOT OF SURVEYS.

SO THAT JUST MEANS THAT FOR RIGHT NOW IT'S NOT GOING TO BE ON THE DECENNIAL, BUT IT WILL BE GOING FORWARD AFTER, AFTER THIS, THIS TESTING PROCESS.

SO BASICALLY THAT'S WHY THE EDUCATION PART'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE IF WE EDUCATE THE PUBLIC AND AGA EDUCATE THEIR RACE AND ETHNICITY TO MAKE SURE THEY FILL OUT THEIR, UH, THEIR SELF RESPONSE IN THE CORRECT WAY.

ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU.

THANKS FOR COMING.

THANK YOU.

NEXT WE HAVE A PRESENTATION FROM FORRESTER CREEK.

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MS SARAH HAUTE BOUCHER IS THE ASSOCIATE DIRECTOR THERE AND SHE'S HERE TODAY TO SHARE WITH US.

HOW DO YOU SEE YOUR LAST NAME? HI.

MOCKER YOU HAD IT.

OKAY, THANKS MR MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS.

UM, GOOD AFTERNOON AND THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO YOU.

I'M SARAH MOCKER, THE ASSOCIATE DIRECTOR OF THE SAN DIEGO RIVER PARK FOUNDATION.

UM, I'M HERE BECAUSE WE RECENTLY HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO PARTNER WITH THE CITY OF EL CAHONE, UM, ON A PROJECT HERE AND I'M HERE TO SHARE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS OPPORTUNITY AND SEEK ANY GUIDANCE OR INPUT FROM THE COUNCIL AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PROJECT.

SO JUST A TEENY BIT OF BACKGROUND.

THE RIVER PARK FOUNDATION IS A NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION DEDICATED TO ENHANCING THE SAN DIEGO RIVER AND ITS TRIBUTARIES AND THE QUALITY OF LIFE OF THE PEOPLE LIVING ALONG THE SAN DIEGO RIVER.

UM, YOU MAY HAVE HEARD OF SOME OF OUR PROGRAMS INCLUDING TRASH CLEANUP, UM, PARK AND TRAIL ADVOCACY, YOUTH ENVIRONMENTAL EDUCATION, VOLUNTEER ENGAGEMENT, AND UM, COMMUNITY OUTREACH.

UM, OUR, OUR EXPERIENCE ON THE MAIN STEM OF THE SAN DIEGO RIVER HAS REALLY CONVINCED US THAT IT'S POSSIBLE TO CONNECT PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITIES TO NATURAL RESOURCES, UH, THROUGH INTERPRETATION, ART SERVICE PROJECTS, PARKS AND OTHER THINGS LIKE THAT.

UM, ON THE RIVER.

THIS WORK HAS REALLY RESULTED IN BENEFITS TO WATER QUALITY, PUBLIC HEALTH, UH, PUBLIC SAFETY, AND IMPROVED AESTHETIC VALUES AS WELL AS A LOT OF ECONOMIC VALUE TO THE NEIGHBORHOODS ALONG THE SAN DIEGO RIVER.

UM, SINCE WE WERE FOUNDED IN 2001, OUR ORGANIZATION HAS REALLY HAD ONLY LIMITED WORK IN EL CAHONE, BUT WE'VE ALWAYS BELIEVED THAT OKLAHOMA IS A REALLY IMPORTANT PART OF OUR WATERSHED IN PART BECAUSE FORESTER CREEK IS A MAIN TRIBUTARY RUNS RIGHT THROUGH THE CENTRAL PART OF AND INTO THE SAN DIEGO RIVER.

UM, THAT SAID FORESTER CREEK DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE WHAT YOU MIGHT PICTURE AS A CREEK.

SO MOST OF FOREST TO CREEK LOOKS LIKE THIS.

IT'S IN A CONCRETE CHANNEL.

A LOT OF IT'S BEHIND FENCES.

UM, SOME OF IT'S UNDERGROUND.

AND IN PARTNERSHIP WITH CITY STAFF, WE SAW POTENTIAL FOR IMPROVING FORESTER CREEK IN OKLAHOMA.

SO WHEN THE STATE DEPARTMENT OF WATER RESOURCES AND THE SAN DIEGO COUNTY WATER AUTHORITY ANNOUNCED A FUNDING OPPORTUNITY TO INVEST IN SOME COMMUNITY PLANNING EFFORTS, UM, ALONG WATER BODIES, WE THOUGHT THAT THIS WAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO BENEFIT BOTH THE WATER QUALITY AND THE COMMUNITY IN OKLAHOMA, WE APPLIED FOR AND WERE AWARDED FUNDING FOR A PLANNING PROJECT.

SO WITH THE CITY OF OKLAHOMA AND THE EARTH DISCOVERY INSTITUTE AS OUR PROJECT PARTNERS, WE WERE AWARDED A $320,000 GRANT TO DO SOME PLANNING, UM, IN .

SO THIS IS A, AS I SAID, A PLANNING PROJECT, BUT THERE WILL BE IMPLEMENTATION ROUNDS IN THE FUTURE.

SO THIS IS IMPORTANT GROUNDWORK WE BELIEVE, TO HELP MAKE ALCOHOL MORE COMPETITIVE FOR FUTURE FUNDING.

SO WE'RE HERE TODAY, UM, BECAUSE WE'RE IN THE PLANNING, THE, JUST THE STARTUP PHASE OF THIS PROJECT THAT WE'RE IN THE BACKGROUND AND MAKE IT AN IT, MAKING SURE WE'RE DOING OUR RESEARCH AND OUR DILIGENCE.

SO WE WANTED TO BRING IT TO THE COUNCIL AND GET YOUR GUIDANCE AND FEEDBACK AS WE MOVE FORWARD INTO THE PHASE ONE, WHICH WILL INCLUDE SOLICITING COMMUNITY INPUT ON RECREATION NEEDS AND CONCERNS.

UM, WORKING WITH CITY STAFF, CONDUCTING AWARENESS SURVEYS, I'M COLLECTING DATA IN THE CREEK ITSELF ON THE TRASH, THE TYPES OF TRASH AND THE SOURCES AND DOING SOME ENVIRONMENTAL EDUCATION WITH STUDENTS IN .

SO ALL OF THAT INFORMATION WILL INFORM A SECOND PHASE, PHASE TWO OF THE PROJECT WHERE WE WILL PRODUCE A RECREATION ACCESS PLAN.

UM, WE ARE GOING TO BE WORKING WITH CAL POLY POMONA SIX OH SIX PROGRAM TO DO THAT.

UM, THEY'RE HERE TODAY TO TELL YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT ABOUT THEIR PROJECT.

UM, AND WE WILL BE ENGAGING A CONSULTANT IN DEVELOPING A TRASH CAPTURE AND REDUCTION PLAN, UM, FOR THE CREEK ITSELF.

SO I KNOW THIS IS A SUPER, SUPER BRIEF SUMMARY.

UM, BUT IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, MOSTLY WHAT WE WANT TO WALK AWAY WITH IS, UH, HELPING TO IMPART THE GOALS OF THE PROJECT.

SO REALLY WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS SUPPORT THE GOALS OF THE CITY OF OKLAHOMA, UM, FOR RECREATION PARK DEVELOPMENT AND STORM WATER MANAGEMENT.

UM, WE WANT TO DO HELP DO THE PLANNING THAT SUPPORTS FUTURE INVESTMENT IN IN THOSE FUTURE IMPLEMENTATION AND CONSTRUCTION ROUNDS OF THE PROJECT.

UM, WE'RE HOPING TO ENGAGE COMMUNITY LEADERS LIKE YOU AND WE'RE HOPING TO WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY, DID HAVE DEVELOP A ROADMAP FOR IMPROVING THE HEALTH OF FORRESTER CREEK AND ITS, UM, ABILITY TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE COMMUNITY AND IN A POSITIVE WAY.

UM, THE RIVER PARK FOUNDATION SPEARHEADED A SIMILAR PLANNING EFFORT BACK IN 2002 ON THIS, ON THE MAIN STEM OF THE SAN DIEGO RIVER.

AND THAT A CONCEPTUAL PLAN.

WE HIRED STUDIO SIX OH SIX AT THAT TIME AND THE PLAN THAT THEY DEVELOPED WAS THE, UH, FRAMEWORK FOR THE SAN DIEGO RIVER CONSERVANCY,

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A STATE AGENCY THAT WE HELPED FORM TO HELP ADVOCATE AND RAISE AWARENESS FOR THE SAN DIEGO RIVER AND THAT PLAN.

THE WORK OF OUR ORGANIZATION, THE WORK OF THE CONSERVANCY HAS REALLY RESULTED IN TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS BEING INVESTED IN THE SAN DIEGO RIVER PARK.

SO WE REALLY BELIEVE IN THE PLANNING PART.

UM, IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO COLLABORATE WITH OTHER NGOS AND WITH CITY STAFF, WITH OTHER CITY LEADERS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A PLAN FOR SOMETHING THAT MIGHT, UH, ULTIMATELY RESULT IN IMPACT AND INVESTMENT IN OKLAHOMA.

SO, AS I SAID, WE'VE WORKED WITH A STUDIO SIX OH SIX, UM, ALEX , HE'S GONNA TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THEIR PROJECT.

ALEX, THANK YOU SARAH FOR THE INTRODUCTION.

UM, LIKE SHE SAID, MY NAME IS ALEXANDER AND THIS IS MY CLASSMATE BRIAN AND WE ARE, UM, STUDENTS FROM CAL POLY POMONA IS SIX OH SIX STUDIO.

SO THE 660 DAYS I WANTED DESCRIBE A LITTLE BIT OF WHO WE ARE AND WHAT WE'VE DONE, THE WORK THAT WE'RE CAPABLE OF, AND THEN HOW EXCITED WE ARE TO BE WORKING WITH THIS COMMUNITY, ESPECIALLY ON THE PROJECT THAT WE'VE BEEN CHOSEN FOR THIS YEAR.

SO THE SIX OR 60 GEO IS THE CULMINATING EXPERIENCE FOR STUDENTS IN THE MASTERS, UH, LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTURE DEPARTMENT AT CAL POLY POMONA.

IT'S MEANT TO BE A CULMINATING, A CULMINATING EXPERIENCE THAT TESTS THE APTITUDE IN ALL, UH, PERFORMATIVE WAYS THAT THE STUDENTS WERE MEANT TO ACQUIRE A LONGER JOURNEYS THROUGHOUT THE EDUCATION AND HAS RESULTED, AS SARAH SAID, IN MANY DIFFERENT PROJECTS THAT ARE VERY MUCH REACTING TO THE CIRCUMSTANCES AND THE SITUATION IN WHICH THEY'RE PLACED.

SO SINCE 1976, WE'VE HAD OVER A HUNDRED DIFFERENT PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN COMPLETED.

I WOULD LIKE TO KIND OF TAKE A MINUTE TO FOCUS ON TWO OF THOSE, WHICH WE'VE DONE IN THE LAST FEW YEARS.

THAT KIND OF SHOW A LITTLE BIT OF THE, THE BREADTH AND THE SPECTRUM OF POSSIBILITIES IN WHICH THOSE PROJECTS ARE COMPLETED.

SO THE FIRST PROJECT THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HAPPENED IN 2017.

UM, AND SO THIS IS ON A LOWER LOS ANGELES RIVER.

BOTH OF THESE PROJECTS WILL BE, AND THIS KIND OF FOCUSES MORE ON THE DESIGN BUILD KIND OF PROJECT.

SO SMALL SCALE, UH, FOCUSING ON INSTALLATIONS THAT WE'RE CREATING COMMUNITY SPACES ALONG THE LOS ANGELES RIVER TO CREATE A BETTER SENSE OF CONNECTION, WHICH IS VERY IMPORTANT BUT ALSO IS VERY DIFFERENT FROM OUR NEXT PROJECT, WHICH WAS THE COLLECTIVE EFFORTS WHICH, UH, A PROJECT IN 2015, UM, WHICH IS A MUCH LARGER SCALE REGIONAL PLANNING EFFORT MEANT TO FOCUS ON TARGETING GRANT FUNDING AS OPPOSED TO A, A DESIGN, UH, PRODUCT BY THE END OF ITS COMPLETION.

THIS IS MORE IN LINES WITH THE RECREATIONAL ACCESS PLAN THAT WE'LL BE HAPPY TO BE WORKING ON FOR THE REST OF THIS YEAR.

I'D ALSO LIKE TO TAKE A MINUTE TO SAY THEY WERE BEGINNING THE, THE VERY BASIC STAGES OF DATA COLLECTION AND INFORMATION REQUESTING.

SO I'D LIKE TO HAND IT OVER TO MY CLASSMATE BRIAN TO TALK ABOUT THAT.

WE WANT IT TO PERHAPS PROVIDE A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF WHAT WE ARE CURRENTLY DOING IN REGARDS TO FORRESTER CREEK.

RIGHT NOW THE OH SIX TEAM IS FOCUSED ON LISTENING AND COLLECTING DATA, UM, ON THE CREEK AS WELL AS WELL AS LOOKING AT THE LOCAL PLANNING DOCUMENTS, UM, USING A COMBINATION OF COMPUTER SOFTWARE, ONSITE FIELD WORK AND UM, THE FUTURE.

UM, COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT.

WE WILL BE FURTHERING OUR KNOWLEDGE OF THE AREA.

UM, ON YOUR, ON THE SCREEN IS A LIST OF INITIAL RESEARCH SUBJECTS THAT WE PLAN ON LOOKING INTO.

UM, THESE TOPICS INCLUDE PHYSICAL ASPECTS, SOCIAL AND CULTURAL ASPECTS AS WELL AS ADDITIONAL FACTORS THAT, UM, LOOK INTO HOW RECREATION AFFECTS ECONOMICS AND TRANSPORTATION AND WALKABILITY OF THE AREA.

UM, THIS IS OUR INITIAL LIST AND WE KNOW THAT YOU GUYS ARE THE EXPERTS IN THIS AREA.

SO WE WELCOME YOUR INPUT ON ANYTHING WE MIGHT'VE MISSED.

THANK YOU.

AND THOSE, THOSE ARE REALLY AN OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE SOME OF THE PROJECTS THAT THE STUDENTS, THE STUDENTS AND THE FACULTY FROM CAL POLY POMONA ARE CAPABLE OF.

AND THIS IS REALLY A PROCESS WHERE WE'RE HOPING TO SPEND A LOT OF TIME COLLECTING INFORMATION.

SO THAT'S PARTLY WHY WE'RE HERE.

UM, MOVING FORWARD, WE'VE SCHEDULED A COMMUNITY INPUT MEETING ON FEBRUARY 26TH.

UM, WE'RE CONDUCTING SURVEYS IN THE COMMUNITY NOW.

UM, WE'VE GOT SOME FIELD TRIPS THAT ARE SCHEDULED WITH ANZA ELEMENTARY, UM, AND A COUPLE OF OTHER ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS IN OKLAHOMA.

WE ARE ALSO DOING DATA COLLECTION AND COOPERATION WITH THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT IN THE CREEK ITSELF.

SO, UM, AS WE CONTINUE IN THIS PHASE OF THE PROJECT, WE'RE REALLY JUST HERE TO, UM, SHARE WHAT'S, WHAT WE'RE STARTING, UH, GET ANY FEEDBACK.

WE WOULD LOVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO MEET WITH YOU OR YOUR STAFF IF YOU HAVE ANY FEEDBACK FOR US THAT MIGHT BE MORE APPROPRIATE IN A MEETING OR SOMETIME OTHER.

BUT WE CAN ALSO, I'VE GOT MY PEN RIGHT NOW.

UM, AND THEN LAST OF COURSE WE WOULD LOVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME BACK SOMETIME LATER IN THE YEAR TO PRESENT, YOU KNOW, THE RESULTS OF SOME OF OUR COMMUNITY INPUT.

I SEE IT.

VERY IMPRESSIVE PRESENTATION.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

LET ME SEE IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS.

I'M ON THE COUNCIL AND JUST QUIET.

ARE YOU WITH THE KALPA MONA AS WELL? NO, I'M THE ASSOCIATE DIRECTOR OF THE SAN DIEGO RIVER PARK FOUNDATION.

SO WE'VE HIRED CAL POLY POMONA.

WONDERFUL.

WHAT

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YEAR ARE YOU GUYS IN? WE'RE IN OUR THIRD YEAR, WHICH IS THE LAST YEAR OF THE MASTERS IN LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTURE PROGRAM.

VERY GOOD.

VERY IMPRESSIVE.

OKAY, LET ME, LET'S JUST START DOWN THE ROAD.

GARY, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION, BOB? YES, I KNOW IN THE PAST, UH, WE'VE HAD A PROBLEM OF, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD SOME DRIER YEARS AND EL CAHONE ESPECIALLY, AND WE'VE HAD A NUMBER OF TIMES, I THINK THAT THERE'S BEEN HOMELESS LIVING IN THE CULVERTS, UH, THAT THE ROADS, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE A LIKE AN OVERPASS AND THEN THERE'S LIKE A SQUARE CULVERT UNDERNEATH AND WE'VE HAD HOMELESS LIVING IN THERE.

AND, UH, I KNOW THAT THE, UM, OUR, OUR STAFF HAS, UH, ADDRESSED SOME OF THAT SOMETIMES, BUT, UH, IT'S BEEN A PROBLEM IN THE PAST.

AND, UH, I DON'T KNOW HOW BAD IT IS ANYMORE, BUT, UM, PROBABLY THE CHIEF COULD ANSWER THAT, BUT, UH, I KNOW THAT, UM, IN THE PAST, CAUSE I'VE BEEN ON THE COUNCIL A WHILE AND, UH, I REMEMBER A LOT OF THOSE THINGS.

SO YOU MIGHT VISIT WITH THIS CHIEF AND ASK HIM IF THAT'S STILL A MAJOR PROBLEM BECAUSE, UH, I KNOW, UH, WE'VE HAD SOME WET WEATHER.

I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE STILL THERE, BUT, UM, I KNOW WE'VE HAD A NUMBER OF TIMES THAT THEY'VE, UH, ROUTED THEM OUT AND CLEANED IT UP.

AND SO, UH, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO BE AWARE OF AND MAYBE TRY AND ADDRESS THAT TO WHERE WE CAN KEEP THEM OUT OF THERE IN SOME FORM.

YEAH, THAT'S GREAT FEEDBACK.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

ANYBODY? STEVE? ONE OF THE THINGS THAT PROBABLY MANY PEOPLE IN ALCOHOL DON'T KNOW IS THAT OUR CITY STAFF DOES A GREAT JOB OF PRIORITIZING KEEPING FORESTER CREEK CHANNELS CLEAR.

I FOUND OUT LAST YEAR THAT IF A SILT OR OR DIRT ACCUMULATES AND IF AN ENDANGERED SPECIES OF PLANT HAPPENS TO TAKE ROOT AND GROW, UH, WE CAN'T TEAR THAT PLANT OUT OUT OF FORESTER CREEK AT THAT POINT.

THAT REQUIRES A WHOLE NEW SET OF PERMITS AND CLEARANCES AND GOVERNMENT THINGS BECAUSE WE DIDN'T, UH, KEEP THE CHANNEL CLEAN, START OUR PUBLIC WORKS AND CITY STAFF DOES A GREAT JOB OF KIND OF SCOOPING UP THE SILT AND THE DIRT TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T GET IN THAT SITUATION.

SO WE'RE, WE'RE REALLY VESTED IN KEEPING THAT CHANNEL CLEAN AND OUR CITY STAFF DOES A GREAT JOB OF KNOWING WHAT TO DO.

I AGREE.

YOU HAVE THE CITY STAFF HAS BEEN REALLY INCREDIBLE TO WORK WITH, SO WE APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SEE IF WE CAN HELP ADD VALUE TO THAT TO THE WORK THAT THEY'RE DOING.

ALL RIGHT.

YEAH, I THINK WE GRAB IT WITH 120 TONS OF STUFF WE TOOK OUT OF THE CREEK LAST YEAR.

WELL, I'M LOOKING TO OUR PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR.

I GET RECALLED, THE FIGURE I SENT YOU, YOU HAD PAID ATTENTION TO THE STATE OF THE CITY UNIT, I BELIEVE IT WAS.

WHAT WAS IT, ONE 20? YEAH, IT WAS A BUNCH.

I REMEMBER THE TR, UH, THE F UH, 120 TONS.

YEAH.

OF DEBRIS.

TAKE IT OUT OF THE, IT'S SIGNIFICANT.

HOPEFULLY, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE REASONS WHY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE THE ENVIRONMENTAL ORGANIZATION, WE'RE BRINGING IN AN EXPERT IN THE RECREATION PLANNING AND PART OF THAT IS, AS YOU SAID, TO TRY AND IMPACT THE WATER QUALITY AND THOSE CONCERNS THAT IF YOU KNOW MORE PEOPLE CARE AND MORE PEOPLE HAVE EYES ON THE CREEK, IT MIGHT HAVE POSITIVE IMPACTS ON THAT AS WELL.

ALL RIGHT, WELL THANKS FOR COMING.

THANK YOU.

A GENTLEMAN.

IF YOU NEED TO MEET WITH MYSELF OR I'M SURE ANY OF THE OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS WOULD BE HAPPY TO MEET WITH YOU IF THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO YOU AND GOOD LUCK INTO YOUR PROJECT.

THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT, OUR LAST PRESENTATION, HE'S FROM THE INTERNATIONAL RESCUE COMMITTEE AND I WOULD LIKE TO INVITE OUR SENIOR PROGRAM MANAGER TO THE PODIUM.

HI, I UM, THANK YOU MAYOR WELLS AND HONORABLE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS.

UM, I, MY NAME IS ANGIE MAY.

I'M THE SENIOR PROGRAM MANAGER OF THE FOOD AND FARMING PROGRAM AT THE IRC.

IRC IS ALSO THE CONVENER OF THE HEALTHY EL CAHONE COALITION AND WE HAVE SEVERAL OF OUR RESIDENT PARTICIPANTS HERE IN THE FIRST ROW.

UM, AND, AND WE'RE HAPPY TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE OF, UM, OUR 2018 ACCOMPLISHMENTS.

SO, UM, THE PROJECT, IF YOU'RE NOT FAMILIAR, UM, HAS BEEN ONGOING FOR ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF.

IT'S FUNDED BY THE COUNTY OF SAN DIEGO'S HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES AGENCY, UM, THROUGH SNAP ED DOLLARS, SO OBESITY PREVENTION.

AND SO IT HAS THESE TWIN PILLARS OF TRYING TO ATTACK THE OBESITY EPIDEMIC OF HEALTHY LIVING AND HEALTHY EATING.

UM, BUT THROUGH POLICY AND KIND OF PLACE PLACEMAKING AND IMPROVING THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT.

UH, SO THE HEALTHY ALCOHOLIC, HEALTHY ALCOHOL COALITION'S PURPOSE IS TO WORK TOGETHER TO MAKE ALCOHOL A HEALTHIER PLACE THROUGH PERMANENT CHANGES IN THE FOOD ENVIRONMENT.

UM, AND THROUGH ACTIVE LIVING, WHICH IS WALKING, BIKING, TRANSIT, NOT RELYING ON AUTO, UM, THE COALITION IN ADDITION TO OUR RESIDENT ACT, UM,

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PARTICIPANTS ALSO INCLUDES SEVERAL ORGANIZATIONS LIKE EMASS, CATHOLIC CHARITIES, SAN DIEGO, UM, FAMILY HEALTH CENTER, A CAJON VALLEY UNION SCHOOL DISTRICT AS WELL AS STAFF FROM CITY OF EL CAHONE COUNTY OF SAN DIEGO AND CIRCULATE SAN DIEGO.

UM, LET'S SEE.

SO WE'VE GOT SOME IMAGES.

UM, SO WE'VE BEEN MEETING FOR THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF EACH MONTH.

UM, GENERATING IDEAS FOR HOW EL CAHONE RESIDENTS CAN IMPROVE THEIR PHYSICAL HEALTH AND HEALTHY FOOD ACCESS WITH AN ALCOHOL BUILT ENVIRONMENT.

UM, AND THROUGH OUR CONVERSATIONS, THE COALITION HAS ARRIVED AT TWO CONCLUSIONS.

THE FIRST IS THAT IMPROVING WALKABILITY FOR RESIDENTS IS A MAJOR WAY TO IMPROVE PHYSICAL HEALTH AND BEAUTIFY THE CITY.

THE SECOND IS THAT TO TACKLE THE HEALTHY FOOD ACCESS, ACTUALLY LOW INCOME COMMUNITIES NEED MORE PURCHASING POWER.

UM, MOST OF OUR RESIDENTS ACTUALLY LOVE AND PREPARE HEALTHY FOOD REGULARLY.

AND SO THE QUESTION IS MORE ABOUT JOBS AND MAKING THEIR DOLLAR STRETCH FARTHER.

UM, AND RIGHT NOW THE HIGH HOUSING COSTS ARE REALLY DENTING EVERYONE'S HOUSEHOLD BUDGETS.

SO IT'S A, A DIFFERENT WAY OF APPROACHING HEALTHY FOOD POLICY.

UM, SO WE CREATED A SURVEY AND ADMINISTERED IT, UH, TO THE COMMUNITY TO SEE IF THE COMMUNITY AGREED WITH OUR APPROACH TO LOOKING AT FOOD POLICY IN THIS NEW LENS.

UM, THE COALITION MEMBERS CONDUCTED 78 SURVEYS.

UM, THERE'S THE SURVEY TO NEIGHBORS, COWORKERS, FRIENDS AND FAMILY.

AND FOR MANY OF OF THEM, THIS WAS THEIR FIRST TIME ENGAGING IN COMMUNITY OUTREACH AS WELL.

UM, AND INDEED OUR SURVEY RESULTS CONFIRMED THAT WE WERE ON THE RIGHT TRACK, THAT FOR THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS WE'VE TALKED TO IMPROVE JOBS, UM, AND COMMUNITY SPACES WOULD BE A GOOD WAY OF APPROACHING, UM, HEALTHIER FOOD ACCESS.

AND SO, UM, IN THIS PAST YEAR, WE ALSO HAVE BEEN LEARNING ABOUT HOW OTHER CITIES HAVE BEEN REVITALIZING THEIR DOWNTOWNS THROUGH FOOD ORIENTED DEVELOPMENTS.

UM, AND SO WE WORKED WITH THE SAN DIEGO STATE UNIVERSITY'S MASTER OF CITY PLANNING'S FALL URBAN DESIGN STUDIO TO GENERATE IDEAS ABOUT HOW WE COULD ALSO CREATE A KIND OF FOOD ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT HERE IN EL CAHONE.

UM, AND SO THE SDSU URBAN DESIGN STUDIO, UM, CREATED DESIGNS FOR, UM, A FOOD ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT THAT WOULD HAVE HOUSING, UM, A RANGE OF HOUSING, UM, AS WELL AS A COMMERCIAL KITCHEN INCUBATOR THAT WOULD HOUSE AND START FOOD ENTREPRENEURS, SMALL FOOD ENTREPRENEURS AND HAVE A FOOD COURT AND KIND OF CREATE THIS REALLY EXCITING MIXED USE SPACE THAT COULD TRY TO TACKLE A LOT BUT ALSO IN A WAY BE AN EXAMPLE OF MANY MORE KINDS OF DEVELOPMENTS THAT COULD HAPPEN.

UM, IN ALCOHOL.

THE STUDENTS STARTED IN SEPTEMBER WITH US EACH MONTH.

THEY CAME BACK AND PRESENTED CONCEPTS, ITERATIONS.

THEY CREATED SURVEYS TO SOLICIT INPUT FROM THE RESIDENTS.

AND THIS PAST DECEMBER WE HAD A FINAL OPEN HOUSE AND THEY SHARED THEIR FINAL DESIGNS.

AND, UM, IT WAS REALLY EXCITING TO SEE ALL THESE ITERATIONS.

WE CHOSE A VACANT LOT, UM, THAT WAS CURRENTLY VACANT, UM, NEAR THE TRANSIT AREA SO THAT IT WOULD BE MORE AMENABLE TO HIGHER DENSITIES.

AND, UM, AND IT WAS REALLY EXCITING.

AGAIN, IT'S EARLY STAGES AND WE JUST WANTED TO TEST OUT SOME IDEAS AND CONCEPTS AND GET IT TO PAPER.

UM, WE'RE HAPPY TO SHARE THOSE IDEAS AND FUTURE IDEAS.

SO NEXT I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE SOME COALITION MEMBERS AND LET YOU JUST HEAR FROM THEMSELVES, UM, WHAT THE COALITION IS TO THEM AND JUST TO HEAR, HEAR FROM YOUR RESIDENTS.

UM, FIRST I'M GOING TO INTRODUCE, UH, JINAN UP TO THE MIC.

HI EVERYBODY.

HI, I'M JENNA BACARDI.

I HAVE BEEN HERE IN AMERICA ABOUT THREE YEARS AND FOUR MONTHS.

UM, SO THE, MY ENGLISH IS NOT VERY GOOD, BUT I TRY TO UM, PUT OFF MY LANGUAGE.

UH, I AM A MEMBER OF THEIR COALITION MEETING.

WE TRY TO WORK TOGETHER TO IMPROVE, UH, TO BE NICE LIKE THE OTHER, THE CITY IN THE USA.

UH, I AM HAPPY TO WORK AND I TRY TO WORK VOLUNTEER IN MANY EH, ALLIANCE, EH, TO MAKE AN EL CAHONE AND VERY BEAUTIFUL AND A NICE THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

OH, WHICH WAS PRETTY GOOD.

MODEST.

JOHN IS VERY MODEST AND NEXT AMMONIA IS GOING TO COME UP.

HI.

GOOD AFTERNOON.

I'M AMANI HAMAD.

I LIVE IN ELKHORN FROM 2000.

I ENJOYED

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THIS GROUP.

WE WANT TO MAKE RESIDENTS LIVES BETTER WITH THE MORE HEALTHY FOOD AND GREEN TREES, FLOWERS AND GARDENS, UH, FOR THE BELL HOUSING BUS TRANSPORTATION THAT IT'S IMPORTANT FOR ME FOR EVERY HANDICAP, EH, WE WALKING MORE WORK CAMP WORKER BELL STREET.

WE ARE WORKING A DEVELOPMENT PROJECT THAT HAS A GREEN PARK AND GARDEN, AFFORDABLE HOUSING, A FOOD MARKET AND KITCHEN SHUDRAS PLAY AREA, EXERCISE AREA.

I'M HAPPY TO LIVE IN .

I WISH TO MAKE THE STREET FOR HANDICAP.

IT'S COMFORTABLE TOO.

AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I'M SORRY ABOUT MY ENGLISH.

IT'S NOT EXCELLENT.

THAT'S PRETTY GOOD.

I UNDERSTOOD EVERY WORD SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU.

SO ANYWAYS, IT'S BEEN A TERRIFIC YEAR.

UH, AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO EVEN A MORE SUCCESSFUL 2019.

UH, THE COALITION WILL BE, UH, HAPPY TO, THIS IS JUST A FINAL HAPPY SLIDE, UM, UH, TO PROVIDE A LOT OF IDEAS AND FEEDBACK TO THE CITY'S FORTHCOMING CLIMATE ACTION PLAN, UH, WHICH WE'LL HAVE ROOM TO PUT ALL OUR BEAUTIFUL BEAUTIFYING EL CAHONE AND IMPROVING WALKABILITY IDEAS AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO COMING BACK AND SHARING OUR PROGRESS AND OTHER IDEAS THAT THE COALITION HAS.

OBVIOUSLY YOU CAN HEAR HOW IMPORTANT A BEAUTIFUL EL CAHONE IS AND I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF SYNERGY WITH WHAT THE SAN DIEGO RIVER PARK FOUNDATION IS DOING AND I'M SURE WHAT THE COUNCIL AND CITY WANTS TO DO.

SO THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO SHARE.

AND, AND FOR OUR RESIDENTS IT'S, IT MEANS A LOT FOR THEM TO HAVE COME.

UM, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU REMEMBER IN DECEMBER WE CAME AND DID A TEST RUN TO SEE HOW CITY COUNCIL MEETING OPERATED.

WE WERE IN THE BACK AND HERE THEY ARE IN THE FRONT ROW AND EVERYONE IS JUST REALLY EXCITED TO BE IN A PLACE WHERE AN OPEN, TRANSPARENT, UM, GOVERNMENT SYSTEM LISTENS TO PEOPLE AND PEOPLE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PARTICIPATE IN IT.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ANY QUESTIONS? COUNSEL? OH, JUST TO COMMENT.

FIRST OF ALL, YOUR ENGLISH WAS VERY GOOD.

UH, MY MOM CAME FROM CHESCA CZECHOSLOVAKIA IN 1948 AND YOU SPEAK JUST AS WELL AS SHE DID 50 YEARS LATER.

OKAY.

CAUSE I UNDERSTOOD EVERY WORD AND I COULDN'T ALWAYS UNDERSTAND MY MOM'S WORDS.

SO THE OTHER THING IS I REALLY LIKED THE IDEA OF, OF HAVING A KITCHEN BECAUSE WE'VE GOT ABOUT A COMMUNITY KITCHEN CAUSE WE'VE GOT ABOUT 70 ETHNIC GROUPS HERE IN THE OKON VALLEY.

AND UH, I FOR ONE, LOVE TO TRY DIFFERENT FOODS.

UM, SOME OF MY FRIENDS WERE SHOCKED THAT I LIKED PUTCHA, BUT UH, UH, YOU KNOW, I LIKE IT.

AND SO ONE NICE THING ABOUT LIVING IN OKLAHOMA, WE'D HAVE ALL THESE DIFFERENT ETHNIC FOODS AND FIVE MINUTES DRIVE FROM MY HOUSE.

I COULD HAVE JUST WONDERFUL MEALS THAT I DIDN'T EVEN KNEW EXISTED, YOU KNOW, THREE YEARS AGO.

SO IF WE COULD HAVE A COMMUNITY KITCHEN AND PEOPLE COME INTO MAYBE S UH, LEARN HOW TO START A BUSINESS AND COOK THIS WONDERFUL FOOD, I'M ALL FOR IT.

I'LL BE THERE ALL THE TIME.

GREAT.

WONDERFUL.

WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING EVERYBODY.

THANK YOU FOR COMING.

GOOD LUCK THIS YEAR.

THANK YOU.

RIGHT.

AGENDA CHANGES.

STAFF, DO YOU HAVE ANY AGENDA CHANGES MR MAYOR? WE HAVE NO CHANGES, COUNSEL.

NOTHING.

ALRIGHT, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THINGS A LITTLE BIT OUT OF ORDER BECAUSE WE HAVE A MEMBERS OF OUR MEDIA WHO NEED TO GO BACK AND MEET THEIR DEADLINES.

SO WE'RE GOING TO POP UP TO UM, PUBLIC HEARING ITEM EIGHT REGARDING DOCKLANDS VEHICLES.

I LIKE TO ASK TO ASK STAFF TO TELL US ABOUT THIS ITEM IF I DIDN'T CATCH IT TOO.

OFF GUARD.

MR

[17. Ordinance Amending Titles 1, 9, 10 and 12, and adding a New Chapter 10.26 to the El Cajon Municipal Code addressing Dockless Vehicles RECOMMENDATION: That Mayor Wells request the City Clerk to recite the title. An Ordinance Amending Titles 1, 9, 10 and 12 and Adding a New Chapter 10.26 to the El Cajon Municipal Code addressing Dockless Vehicles.]

MAYOR, I BELIEVE YOU ARE REFERRING TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 17.

AM I ON THE WRONG PLACE? CORRECT.

OH, OKAY.

ITEM 17 IS THE SECOND READING AND ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE AMENDED AMENDING THE ALCOHOL MUNICIPAL CODE ADDRESSING DUCLOS VEHICLES.

I LIKE TO ASK THE THE CITY CLERK TO READ THIS TITLE FIRST.

ANGELA, BEGINNER SPEAKER CARDS FOR THIS ITEM.

WE HAVE NO CARD, SIR.

WOULD YOU MIND RECITING THE TITLE THEN? AN ORDINANCE AMENDING TITLES ONE NINE 10 AND 12 AND ADDING A NEW CHAPTER 10.26 TO THE ALCOHOL MUNICIPAL CODE.

ADDRESSING DOCK LISTS.

VEHICLES.

OKAY.

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NO SPEAKER CARDS.

UH, SOMEBODY LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION OR DISCUSS IT THAT WE'D SPENT A WHILE.

SO WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT.

SOMEBODY NEED A REFRESHER? OH, MOVE.

ADOPTION.

ALL RIGHT.

OOH, IN A SECOND PLEASE.

VOTE.

MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.

OKAY.

THAT'S, IT WASN'T MUCH TO IT.

DID YOU GET ALL THAT? I'M SORRY GUYS.

ALL RIGHT.

NOW WE'RE GOING TO GO BACK

[7. CONSENT ITEMS: Consent Items are routine matters enacted by one motion according to the RECOMMENDATION listed below. With the concurrence of the City Council, a Council Member or person in attendance may request discussion of a Consent Item at this time. ]

INTO ORDER AND GO BACK TO CONSENT ITEMS. CONSENT ITEMS OR ROUTINE MATTERS ENACTED BY ONE MOTION ACCORDING TO THE RECOMMENDATION LIST OF BELOW WITH THE CONCURRENCE OF THE CITY COUNCIL, COUNCIL MEMBER OR PERSON HAD TENANTS MAY REQUEST.

DISCUSSION OF A CONSENT ITEM AT THIS TIME.

COUNCIL MEMBERS, DO YOU WISH TO PULL ANY CONSENT ITEMS? BED SEVEN NUMBER SEVEN STAFF.

DO YOU WISH TO PULL ANY CONSENT ITEMS? NO.

MR MAYOR.

ANGELA, DO YOU HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS FOR CONSENT ITEMS? NO SIR, WE DO NOT.

OKAY.

LET'S GO AHEAD AND BRING UP

[7. Purchase of Fire Engine RECOMMENDATION: That the City Council adopts the next Resolution in order, and authorizes the Purchasing Agent, in accordance with Municipal Code 3.20.010(C)(5), to execute an agreement with Pierce Manufacturing, Inc. for the purchase of a Pierce Triple Combination Pumper in the amount of $758,566.37.]

NUMBER SEVEN.

MR YOU HAVE BEFORE.

THANKS.

I, I, UH, LOOKED AT THIS WITH SOME, SOME DETAIL, UM, AND COMMUNICATED SOME QUESTIONS WITH GRAHAM AND HE GAVE ME SOME ANSWERS.

BUT, UH, FOR THOSE THAT ARE LISTENING, IT'S REGARDING A $758,000, BASICALLY FOR OUR FIRETRUCK, UH, PURCHASE.

AND, UM, I'M SPEAKING FOR MYSELF AND SOME OF THE CONCERNS I HAVE REGARDING THAT PURCHASE.

UM, GIVEN ALL OF THE ECONOMIC SORT OF INDICATORS AS TO, UH, WHAT WE SHOULD EXPECT IN THE ECONOMY, KNOWING THAT THE MONEY IS THERE, KNOWING THAT IT'S, THIS IS A PUBLIC SAFETY THING, I THINK THAT, UM, WITHOUT ALL OF THE INFORMATION FOR ME, UH, WITH RESPECT TO A, HOW IMPORTANT IS THIS VEHICLE WITH RESPECT TO GETTING THE JOB DONE IS WHAT IS IT IMPEDING ON CURRENTLY THAT WE CAN'T ALREADY ACCOMPLISH? UM, HOW BAD DO WE NEED IT? BASICALLY BECAUSE OF THAT AND BECAUSE OF THE CONSERVATIVENESS OF JUST THE WAY I AM PERSONALLY, I WOULD SAY THAT I WOULD FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE WITH EITHER HAVING THAT FULL REPORT OF HOW BAD DO WE NEED IT, UH, GIVEN THE CURRENT FLEET, GIVEN SOME CALLS THAT WE COULDN'T GET TO BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE THIS TRUCK.

UM, LONGEVITY OF OTHER TRUCKS THAT WE HAVE.

I'M NOT PREPARED TO SPEND $760,000 ON THAT.

UH, I WOULD BE INCLINED TO PUSH IT DOWN THE ROAD AND TO, UM, UNTIL WE GET A BETTER UNDERSTANDING AGAIN, BECAUSE OF THE CONSERVATIVENESS OF HOW I ALLOCATE MONEY RIGHT NOW PERSONALLY.

UM, I'M JUST POURING THAT OVER HOW I LEGISLATE I GUESS.

SO THAT'S MY CONCERN, PUTTING IT OUT THERE.

UM, YEAH, THAT'S IT.

BOB THE TRUCK WE'RE REPLACING IS LIKE 11 YEARS OLD AND THEY HAVE A GIVEN PERIOD OF TIME THAT THEY'RE USEFUL.

UM, AND ALSO THE FACT THAT, UH, THIS IS AN UPDATED TRUCK.

IT'S ALSO HOOKED ONTO A, UM, A BID THAT ALCOHOL, UH, CITY OF LOS ANGELES GOT IN 2016 AND WE WERE ABLE TO GET IT FOR THE SAME PRICE ON THEIR BID.

UM, I'M GOING TO SUPPORT THIS BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT, UH, I THINK ELICA CAHONES DONE THEIR HOMEWORK.

THEY KNOW WHERE THE MONEY'S NEEDED TO BE SPENT.

THAT'S WHY WE HAVE A STAFF AND, UM, I'M, I'M GOING TO SUPPORT IT.

JUST TO FOLLOW UP ON BOB'S, I LOOKED AT EVERYTHING, YOU KNOW, THAT YOU SAID, AND WHILE IT IS 10 OR 12 YEARS OLD, I ALSO KNOW THAT THEY UNDERGO RIGOROUS LIKE DIAGNOSTICS AND CHECKS.

THAT'S NOT LIKE YOUR 12 YEAR OLD CAR AT HOME.

SO IT'S A, THEY LAST MUCH, MUCH LONGER.

AND I KNOW ABOUT LAS BID, BUT I JUST, AT THIS POINT, GIVEN ALL THE ECONOMIC INDICATORS, I WOULD NOT FEEL COMFORTABLE PERSONALLY, UH, SPENDING THAT MONEY WITHOUT SEEING THAT IT WAS NEEDED.

THANKS.

MR MAYOR, WITH YOUR PERMISSION, I'D LIKE TO ASK, UH, EITHER THE FIRE CHIEF

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OR SOMEONE FROM THE STAFF TO COME UP AND EXPLAIN THIS TO HIM CAUSE I TRUST OUR EXPERTS.

I GOT IT.

OH, HIM TO YOU, MR CITY MANAGER WHO DO YOU ALL HAVE A CHIEF SWEENEY COME DOWN TO TO ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS, BUT JUST AS UM, FOR SOME BACKGROUND INFORMATION, WE CURRENTLY HAVE SEVEN VEHICLES, FIRE ENGINES IN OUR FLEET.

FOUR OF THEM ARE WHAT WE CALL FRONTLINE ENGINES.

SO THEY'RE THE ONES THAT ARE ACTUALLY OPERATING DAY TO DAY AT OUR STATIONS.

THEN WE HAVE THREE THAT ARE ENEMIES.

OUR RESERVE, THE 12 YEAR OLD VEHICLE THAT WE'RE HOPING TO REPLACE AS A FRONTLINE WILL ACTUALLY BECOME A RESERVE ENGINE AND THAT WILL BE REPLACING AN ENGINE THAT WAS PURCHASED IN 1998 SO IT'S, IT'S ALMOST APPROACHING ITS 21ST YEAR.

SO THAT'S REALLY THE ENGINE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT REPLACING AND PUSHING THOSE ENGINE NUNS OFF.

UM, WE DO GO THROUGH A PRETTY RIGOROUS ASSESSMENT OF OUR REPAIR BILLS AND, AND WHERE WE'RE AT IN THE FLEET, BUT THE CHIEF CAN ADDRESS MORE OF THE SPECIFICS ABOUT THAT PROCESS.

GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR COUNCIL.

UM, THESE, UH, FIRE APPARATUS ARE ACTUALLY A CUSTOM VEHICLES AND THEY TAKE ABOUT A YEAR, UM, TO, TO MANUFACTURE.

THIS IS ON THE FLEET REPLACEMENT SCHEDULE.

IT'S A COLLABORATIVE EFFORT BETWEEN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND IN FLEET MAINTENANCE AND LOOKING AT THE USEFULNESS AND LONGEVITY OF OUR EQUIPMENT THAT WE HAVE.

UH, MR MITCHELL'S EXACTLY RIGHT.

THIS, EVEN THOUGH SOME OF OUR FRONTLINE STUFF IS ONLY 11 YEARS OLD, THIS IS ACTUALLY MEANT TO, TO REPLACE A AGING PIECE OF RESERVE EQUIPMENT THAT HAS SOME METAL FATIGUE AND ALSO ASK SOME HIGH MILES WHERE THE COST OF MAINTAINING IT AND THE, AND THE RELIABILITY OF IT AS A QUESTION.

UM, THESE APPARATUS TYPICALLY LAST AROUND 15 YEARS AS A FRONTLINE PIECE.

AND SO WE TRY TO CAPTURE THE FULL VALUE OF THEM BEFORE THEY'RE WORN OUT BEFORE WE REPLACE THEM.

SO BELIEVE IT OR NOT, A $700,000 FIRE ENGINE IS GOING TO BE WORTH PROBABLY AT THE END OF HIS LIFE, MAYBE ABOUT $30,000.

SO IF WE CAPTURE THAT AND MOVE IT INTO A RESERVE STATUS, WE CAN GET EVERY PENNY OUT OF THOSE PIECES OF EQUIPMENT THAT WE CAN.

UM, SO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT THE INTENT OF IT IS TO DO THAT.

WE'VE ALREADY HAD A COST INCREASE, UM, DUE TO THE TARIFFS AND THE COST INCREASE.

THE MATERIALS WITH THIS.

ORIGINALLY WE THOUGHT IT WAS GONNA COST AROUND $700,000.

THE COUNCIL AGREED TO ALLOCATE EXTRA FUNDING DURING ONE OF THE LAST COUNCIL MEETINGS AND THIS TIED ON WITH A BID FOR LA.

IF WE ACT ON IT BY THE END OF THE MONTH, WE'LL SAVE US 3%, WHICH IS SOMEWHERE AROUND ANOTHER $21,000.

IF WE DON'T ACT ON IT.

NOW AGAIN, THIS IS, THERE'S NO PLACE TO JUST GO GET A FIRE ENGINE LIKE A CAR, LIKE A CAR DEALER LOT.

UM, IT'S A CUSTOM PIECE OF EQUIPMENT THAT'S GOING TO TAKE ABOUT A YEAR TO BUILD.

SO BY THE TIME WE GET THAT, UM, WE'LL HAVE ADDITIONAL WEAR AND TEAR ON ALL THE APPARATUS AND TYPICALLY WHAT WE DO TO MAKE SURE THAT WE, THESE LASTS AS LONG AS WE CAN.

NOT ONLY DO WE HAVE A, A INCREDIBLE SHOP THAT WORKS ON OUR EQUIPMENT, BUT WE TRY TO MOVE THE PIECES OF EQUIPMENT AROUND SO WE MOVE THEM TO A SLOWER STATION, UM, TO KIND OF MITIGATE THE MILEAGE AND INCREASE THE, UH, THE USEFULNESS OF THE ENGINES.

UM, I GUESS WITHOUT, UH, SO IT'S LIKE STANDARD PROTOCOL I GUESS IS WHAT I'M, WHAT I'M HEARING.

THERE'S A, THERE'S A REPLACEMENT SCHEDULE FOR THE, FOR THE APPARATUS.

YES.

SO, YEAH, AND I, UH, TH THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT I, I, I NEVER LIKED HEARING BECAUSE IT'S JUST LIKE IN THE REAL WORLD AND GIVEN EVERYTHING ELSE, I ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, I KNOW IT'S STANDARD PROTOCOL.

I KNOW.

GOT A BUDDY OF MINE WHO OWNS SEVEN ELEVEN'S AND FOR THEM IT'S, THEY HAVE TO REPLACE THEIR AC UNIT AT THE, AT YEAR 10, BUT MOST PEOPLE HAVE AC UNITS AT THEIR HOUSE THAT ARE LIKE 20 YEARS OLD AND RUNNING FINE.

SO I GUESS I, I, UM, I F IF I HEAR YOU CORRECTLY AND JUMP IN, IF I'M WRONG, IT'S, IT'S STANDARD PROTOCOL AND WE'RE GETTING SUCH A GREAT DEAL.

3%, UH, DISCOUNTED.

RIGHT.

UM, AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO BE MOVING THIS TRUCK INTO A FRONT LINE AS A FRONTLINE TRUCK.

BUT TO ME, IF I WOULD BE MORE CONCERNED WITH LIKE HAVE THE, HAVE THE TRUCKS EVER BROKEN DOWN, HAS THERE BEEN A CALL TO WHERE WE COULDN'T GET TO IT BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE THIS ONE TRUCK? I MEAN THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT WOULD TRUMP, UM, ROUTINE, UH, MEASURES THAT PEOPLE TAKE.

AND AGAIN, THIS IS, I'M TREATING IT LIKE AS IF IT WAS ME PERSONALLY.

I NEVER WANT TO SACRIFICE PUBLIC SAFETY.

SO IF I HEARD SOMETHING LIKE, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS THIS CALL OR THIS FIRE WE COULDN'T GET TO BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE THIS TRUCK, UH, SIGN ME UP.

LET'S SPEND THIS EIGHT, 750 GRAND.

BUT IF IT ISN'T THAT, IF IT'S STRICTLY BASED ON ROUTINE OR LIKE BUSINESS AS USUAL, HOW GOVERNMENT DOES IT? I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW.

I DON'T LIKE THAT REALLY UNDERSTAND.

WE'RE CONSERVATIVE AS WELL.

WHEN WE COME UP WITH THESE, THESE REPLACEMENT SCHEDULES ARE ACTUALLY BORN BY FLEET AND FLEET TRACKS.

THE COST OF MAINTENANCE AND THE WEAR AND TEAR AND WHEN THEY START THE BREAK OVER POINT, WHEN IT COST MORE TO MAINTAIN A PIECE OF EQUIPMENT THAN YOU'RE GETTING OUT OF IT.

BECAUSE WE HAVE A, A GOOD RESERVE FLEET LIKE WE DO THAT'S HEALTHY AND THAT WE CAN RELY ON IT TO SWITCH INTO WHEN A VEHICLE IS GETTING SERVICED OR WHEN A VEHICLE

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BREAKS DOWN OR WHEN WE'RE SUPPORTING THE REST OF OUR NEIGHBORS AND THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA WITH DISASTER RESPONSES.

IT ALLOWS US TO HAVE PIECES OF EQUIPMENT TO MOVE INTO.

SO ACTUALLY MOST OF THE EQUIPMENT NOW WITH THE ELECTRONICS ON IT, WE'RE NOT GETTING THAT 15 TO 20 YEARS OUT OF IT.

THE MORE ELECTRONICS AND THE MORE EMISSIONS IN THE MORE STUFF THAT THEY START PUTTING INTO THE FIRE APPARATUS, THE LEAST AMOUNT OF YEARS AND WORTH, YOU KNOW, WORTH WE'RE GETTING OUT OF THESE EQUIPMENT.

SO IT'S A GUIDELINE.

WE DON'T TAKE IT AS AN ABSOLUTE, WE WORK AS A COLLABORATIVE EFFORT WITH FLEET AND TAKE A LOOK AT THE, UH, THE COST AND THE VALUE OF MAINTAINING THAT PIECE OF EQUIPMENT.

I APPRECIATE IT.

THANKS MR. CLAW SHOW A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION.

SO AS, AS THIS SORT OF, THIS PROTOCOL OF REPLACEMENT IS PRODUCED THAT'S ACTUALLY REVIEWED EVERY YEAR AS PART OF THE BUDGET PROCESS.

SO, UM, MY OFFICE, THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT AND FLEET ACTUALLY SITS DOWN AND LOOKS AT ACTUALLY EVERY VEHICLE AND SAYS, OKAY, WHAT DOES THE SCHEDULE SAY? DO WE NEED TO PUSH THIS UP? DO WE NEED TO PUSH THIS BACK? AND THINGS DO FLOAT BACK AND FORTH ALL THE TIME BASED ON NEEDS BASED ON, ON OUR FLEET MAINTENANCE STAFF SAYING THAT WHILE THIS VEHICLE HAS BEEN IN THE SHOP A LOT, WE'RE SPENDING MORE ON IT THEN, UM, IF WE WERE JUST TO BUY A NEW ONE.

SO THAT DOES FLUCTUATE BASED ON THE REALITY THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH.

ONE OF THE FACTORS, AND I'LL GIVE YOU A LITTLE MORE MAYBE THAN YOU WANTED TO KNOW, BUT ONE OF THE FACTORS OF RECOMMENDING THAT THIS ENGINE GO INTO THIS LAST BUDGET IS IF YOU LOOK AT WHEN EL CAHONE PURCHASED THIS SERIES OF ENGINES, THERE'S ABOUT THREE ENGINES THAT WERE ALL PURCHASED AROUND THE SAME TIME.

AND SO WE WERE TO WAIT UNTIL THEY ARE ALL ABOUT THE BREAKDOWN.

WE WOULD ACTUALLY HAVE TO REPLACE THREE VEHICLES AT ONCE.

SO THE GOAL WAS TO PURCHASE THIS ONE THIS YEAR, THE END TO PUSH THE NEXT TWO OFF AS MUCH AS WE CAN TO KIND OF CREATE A LITTLE MORE STABILITY FROM A LONGTERM PERSPECTIVE.

SO WE LOOK AT THESE THINGS HOLISTICALLY AS WE, AS WE PREPARE THEM FOR BUDGET CONSIDERATION.

THANKS BOB.

YES.

UH, IN VIEW OF ALL THE WILDFIRES THAT WE'VE HAD IN THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA, I KNOW WE PROBABLY SENT SOME OF THESE ENGINES OUT, WHICH ONES DO WE USE? THE RESERVES ARE THE FIRST FRONT LINE.

WE SEND IT FRONTLINE APPARATUS OUT FIRST AND THEN SO THE RESERVE CAN TAKE OVER THE SMALL SMALL RUNS? THAT'S CORRECT.

SO, UH, I KNOW THAT WE'RE, LOOKS LIKE, UH, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE AND MORE WILDFIRES IN THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA.

SO, UM, WE'RE GOING TO BE CALLED ON PROBABLY MORE OFTEN, UM, TO BE THE BACKUP.

NOW WE GET PAID FOR THAT.

DON'T WAIT WHEN WE BACK UP.

YES SIR.

THAT'S CORRECT.

WE GET REIMBURSED FROM THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA FOR EIGHT.

THANK YOU.

CHIEF, WHAT COULD YOU TELL US ABOUT HOW OFTEN YOU THINK THE THREE RESERVE ENGINES ARE USED? ALL RIGHT, NOW WE'RE IN TWO OF THEM.

UH, WE'RE USING TWO OF THEM AS A, AS FRONTLINE APPARATUS BECAUSE WE HAVE EQUIPMENT THAT'S BEING WORKED ON AND WE HAVE A LADDER TRUCK THAT, THAT UH, SUSTAINED SOME DAMAGE IN AN ACCIDENT.

AND SO ONE OF THOSE ENGINES IS IN PLACE OF THE LADDER TRUCKS, SO WE DON'T DECREASE THE LEVEL OF SERVICE TO THE PUBLIC.

UM, SO WE'RE STILL MEETING THE RESPONSE NEEDS FOR THAT SINCE IT DOES ALSO RESPOND TO MEDICAL AIDS.

IT CAN ALSO GIVE US OUR EFFECTIVE FIRE FORCE ON FIRES.

SO, UM, GREAT.

NOW IF WE HAD ANOTHER PIECE OF EQUIPMENT GO AT BREAK, HAVE SOME SORT OF A PROBLEM, THEN ALL OF OUR RESERVE FLEET WOULD BE BEING USED AS A FRONTLINE APPARATUS.

NOW THAT'S FLUID.

IT CHANGES ON A DAY TO DAY BASIS OF WHEN WE USE IT.

BUT WITHOUT HAVING THOSE THREE SPARE RIGS, IT REALLY LIMITS OUR ABILITY TO SERVICE AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GETTING THE GOOD QUALITY LIFE OUT OF THE PIECES OF EQUIPMENT.

SO AM I HEARING YOU HAVE ONE UNUSED RESERVE PIECE OR TRUCK CURRENTLY? THEY HAVE .

THAT'S CORRECT.

CURRENTLY, WE HAVE ONE THAT'S IN SITTING IN A STATION THAT IF SOMETHING WERE TO HAPPEN, EITHER WE NEEDED TO BRING AN EXTRA PERSONNEL TO DEAL WITH AN EMERGENCY OR IF WE HAD A FRONTLINE PIECE OF EQUIPMENT, HAVE A MECHANICAL FAILURE FOR SOME REASON, THEN WE WOULDN'T MISS BEING ABLE TO BACK FILL A STATION OR PUT A PIECE OF EQUIPMENT SERVICE.

AND DO YOU HAVE ANY GUESTS HOW OLD THAT UNUSED RESERVED PIECES? YEAH, THE TWO, THE THREE RESERVE RIGS WE HAVE, TWO OF THEM ARE FROM 1998 AND HAVE APPROXIMATELY 120,000 MILES ON THEM.

AND THEN THE OTHER ONE THAT WE HAVE IS FROM 2001 THAT HAS CLOSE TO A HUNDRED THOUSAND LITTLE OVER A HUNDRED THOUSAND MILES ON IT.

THESE ARE NOT FREEWAY MILES.

THESE ARE STOP AND GO MILES, YOU KNOW, IN A VERY SHORT PERIOD OF TIME FROM ONE OF THE FIRE STATIONS.

SO IT'S NOT LIKE YOU'VE GOTTEN A A, A A TRUCK AND DROVE ACROSS COUNTRY A BUNCH OF TIMES WITH IT.

SO OUR LAST LINE OF DEFENSE AT THIS POINT IS THE ONE UNUSED ENGINE, WHICH MIGHT BE 21 YEARS OLD.

THAT'S CORRECT.

OKAY.

OKAY.

THANK YOU, CHIEF.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU.

HAVE A GOOD DAY.

OKAY.

SO, UM, YEAH, GO AHEAD.

YEAH, I TRUST THE EXPERTISE OF OUR FLEET MAINTENANCE.

THEY KNOW AT WHAT POINT, UH, YOU'RE WASTING MONEY BY KEEPING A PIECE OF EQUIPMENT AND IT BECOMES SO EXPENSIVE.

IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO KEEP IT YOU D IT'S BETTER.

YOU'RE BETTER OFF FINANCIALLY.

BUY A NEW ONE.

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JUST WHEN MY MECHANICS SAID, OKAY, GARY, TIM, TO GET READY OF YOUR 1997 TOYOTA BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO COST MORE TO FIX IT THAN WHAT IT'S WORTH.

YOU BETTER BUY A NEW CAR.

UH, UH, PUBLIC SAFETY IS PARAMOUNT TO ME.

THAT'S WHAT THIS, UH, CITY COUNCIL IS SUPPOSED TO PROTECT THE PUBLIC.

AND, UH, I DON'T WANT TO GAMBLE ON PEOPLE'S LIVES.

I DON'T WANT TO WAIT UNTIL SOMEONE DIES BEFORE GET A NEW PIECE OF FIRE EQUIPMENT.

SO I'M GOING TO SUPPORT THIS.

I'LL SUPPORT THIS BECAUSE IF OUR LAST LINE OF DEFENSE IS A 21 YEAR OLD FIRE ENGINE, I DON'T THINK WE'RE BEING RESPONSIBLE TO THE PEOPLE OF AND UH, TO LET THAT BECOME 22 YEARS OLD NEXT YEAR, WHICH WOULD BE THE SOONEST BEFORE WE COULD GET A NEW ENGINE.

SO I THINK WE OWE THE PEOPLE OF EL CAHONE BETTER THAN A 22 YEAR OLD ENGINE AS OUR LAST LINE OF DEFENSE.

YEAH.

MY, MY FEAR IS THAT, UH, WE HAVE THE MONEY NOW AND IF WE PUT IT OFF DOWN THE ROAD, WHO KNOWS WHAT WOULD HAPPEN.

WE SUDDENLY FIND OURSELVES IN A SITUATION WHERE YOU HAVE TO BUY THREE TRUCKS AND DON'T HAVE THE MONEY SET ASIDE FOR THAT.

IS THINGS HAPPEN IF SEEMS TO BE LIKE WE'RE READY TO GO.

ALL RIGHT.

UM, SO THEN I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM NUMBER SEVEN.

THAT AGAIN, MOVING THE SECONDED.

PLEASE VOTE MOTION CARRIES BY A FOUR ONE VOTE WITH COUNCIL MEMBER COLLAGIO ABSTAINING.

OKAY.

AS FOR THE REST OF THE CONSENT ITEMS, DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS ON THEM? WE DO NOT, SIR.

ALL RIGHT.

I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THEN TO APPROVE THE REST OF THE CONSENT ITEMS. SECOND.

MOVING SECOND AND PLEASE VOTE.

WITH YOUR PERMISSION, I'M GOING TO RESET THE VOTE PLEASE.

ALL RIGHT, PLEASE VOTE AGAIN.

PLEASE STOP.

MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.

GREAT, AND THAT BRINGS

[ PUBLIC COMMENT: At this time, any person may address a matter within the jurisdiction of the City Council/Housing Authority/Successor Agency to the El Cajon Redevelopment Agency that is not on the Agenda. Comments relating to items on today’s docket are to be taken at the time the item is heard. State law prohibits discussion or action on items not on the Agenda; however, Council, Authority and Agency Members may briefly respond to statements or questions. An item may be placed on a future Agenda.]

US TO PUBLIC COMMENT.

AT THIS TIME, ANY PERSON MAY ADDRESS A MATTER WITHIN THE JURISDICTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL HOUSING AUTHORITY SUCCESSOR AGENCY TO THE OKON REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY THAT IS NOT ON THE AGENDA.

COMMENTS RELATING TO ITEMS ON TODAY'S AGENDA ALREADY BE TAKEN AT THE TIME THAT THE ANIMAS HEARD STATE LAW PROHIBITS DISCUSSION OR ACTION ON ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA.

HOWEVER, CITY COUNCIL AND HOUSING AUTHORITY MEMBERS MAY BRIEFLY RESPOND TO STATEMENTS OR QUESTIONS AND AN ITEM MAY BE PLACED ON A FUTURE AGENDA.

ANGELA, DO WE HAVE ANY CARDS THAT ARE PUBLIC COMMENT, SIR, WE HAVE FIVE SPEAKERS AND THE FIRST ONE IS DELORES LENDERS.

HELLO, WELCOME.

COME PULL THAT DOWN AND MORNING.

GOOD AFTERNOON MR MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.

I SPOKE ON OCTOBER 9TH, 2008 IN A PUBLIC COMMENT MEETING ON VIOLATIONS OF TITLE 17 ONE ONE FIVE GENERAL LAND USE AND PERFORMANCE STANDARDS AT A PROPERTY IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND OCTOBER 12TH I RECEIVED AN EMAIL FROM VINCE DIMAIO, ASSISTANT MANAGER DIRECTING THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT PART DEPARTMENT CODE ENFORCEMENT DIVISION TO REVIEW MY INFORMATION AND CONDUCT AN INSPECTION OF THE SITE.

AND OCTOBER 10TH CODE ENFORCEMENT MADE CONTACT WITH THE RESIDENT AND THE RESIDENT WAS GIVEN A WRITTEN WARNING WITH THE WARNING TO REMOVE ANY NON-OPERATIONAL VEHICLE AND THEN THE VEHICLES TO DO NOT HAVE CURRENT REZA TAGS BY OCTOBER 21ST IF THE VIOLATION IS ABATED BY OCTOBER 21ST THE RESIDENT CAN BE FINED AS MUCH AS A HUNDRED DOLLARS PER DAY.

THE FOLLOWING INSPECTION WILL BE CONDUCTED ON OCTOBER 21ST WHEN I CAME HOME ON SUNDAY FROM CHURCH 11 CARS WHERE THERE ARE COMING DOWN FOR THIS MEETING, I'D SAY IT'S UP TO 2011 CAR.

SOME HAVE TARPS OUT TO THEM, NO REGISTRATIONS ARE ON THE PROPERTY.

APPARENTLY MR. ANTHONY SHOOT AND HIS DEPARTMENT HAS MADE AN ARRANGEMENT WITH THE OWNER TO VOLUNTARILY REMOVED TWO CARS AND TWO MORE CARS AT THE END OF THE YEAR.

HE ALSO ADDRESSED NOISE, NOT EQUIPMENT, NOISE, JUST NOISE.

NOW WORKING ON CARS AT NIGHT, NOT WHERE THEY'RE DUMPING LISTS.

LIQUID INDUSTRIAL WASTE, JUST VOLUNTARY COOPERATION AND NOISE.

THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR OVER TWO YEARS.

UM,

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I'M GOING TO GIVE SHOW YOU PICTURES SINCE YOU HAD FIREMEN HERE AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, UH, BUYING A VERY EXPENSIVE TRUCK.

I'VE LIVED IN THIS HOUSE FOR 20 YEARS AND ABOUT 10 YEARS AGO WE HAD A FIVE ALARM FIRE WITH THIS MAN'S CHILDREN PLAYING WITH FIREWORKS.

THIS IS WHAT THE FREEWAY EIGHT DOES TO A COLDER SACK.

WE'RE 13 PEOPLE.

13 HOUSES COULDN'T GET OFF THE HILL.

SO IF YOU WANT TO SEE THE FIRES, THERE IT IS.

AND WE COULDN'T GET UP THE HILL.

YOU CAN GIVE OUT THE PICTURES TO OUR CLERK AND SHE'LL GIVE THEM TO THE COUNCIL MEMBERS.

CARS RECORD TWO ARTICLES.

I KNOW MY TIME IS GOING UP FOR THE RECORD.

TWO ARTICLES HAVE APPEARED IN THE SAN DIEGO UNION WITHIN THE MONTH.

ONE WAS SAID, THE SAN DIEGO CITY COUNCIL HELPING TO BUILD THE NEIGHBORHOOD WATCH PROGRAM AND THE UPCOMING PUBLIC MEETINGS REGARDING ZONING CODES.

THE ZONING CODE HELPS PROMOTE ECONOMIC ACTIVITY WHILE PRESERVING NEIGHBORHOODS.

GOOD LAND USE GUIDANCE.

IT'S IMPORTANT TO PRESERVE PUBLIC HEALTH THAT WAS MENTIONED TODAY.

SAFETY AND THE WELFARE THAT MIGHT DECLINE IF AN END UNDESIRABLE BUSINESS POPS UP IN THE MIDDLE OF A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.

THIS WAS QUOTED DECEMBER 27 TO 2018 FOR THE RESIDENTS, ELDERS IN THE CITY OF THAT SCANDAL.

I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THE CITY OF EL CAHONE IS AND MR CHUTE AND THE ZONING DEPARTMENT IS ALLOWING THIS PROPERTY OWNER TO VOLUNTARILY REMOVE THE CARS.

OKAY.

YOU KNOW, GRAHAM, CAN YOU HAVE SOMEBODY FROM THE PROPERTY DEPARTMENT MEET WITH HER AND SEE IF WE COULD RESOLVE THIS? NOW I'M GOING TO HAVE HAVE YOU MEET WITH SOMEBODY FROM OUR DEPARTMENT HOPEFULLY RESOLVES THE ISSUE.

IF IT DOESN'T, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO COME BACK THE NEXT MEETING AND LET US KNOW WHAT HAPPENED.

I'LL BE BACK AT A FREE MEETING THAT'S AS IS HERE RIGHT NOW AS I WOULD EXPECT.

THANK YOU, MA'AM.

HULU MEDINA MOLINA.

PARDON? HELLO, SIR.

WELCOME.

HI, THANK YOU.

SO, UH, FIRST OFF, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY.

MAJOR AND SENIOR LEADERS.

UH, WELL I'M HERE JUST TO, UH, IN BEHALF OF WALGREENS, I'M MANAGER THERE.

I'M TALKING, UH, IN BEHALF OF MY TEAM MEMBERS IN THE CUSTOMERS THERE, UH, I GUESS WE HAVE A BIG ISSUE AND I'M SEEKING FOR GUIDANCE AND SUPPORT TO HANDLE THE HOMELESS POPULATION THAT WE HAVE AROUND THE STORE.

UH, THIS, UH, THIS CHALLENGE WE HAVE IS A DAILY THREAT FOR OUR TEAM MEMBERS AND OUR CUSTOMERS.

THEY BEING HARASSED, THEY DO DRUGS, PROSTITUTION, UH, YOU NAME IT.

AND UH, ACTUALLY EVERYDAY WE HAVE HOMELESS LIVING IN OUR PREMISES DAY AND NIGHT.

SO A IS JUST HERE TO REALLY TO FIND A SOLUTION TO SEE HOW CAN YOU SUPPORT US.

ALL RIGHT.

QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, JIM? YES SIR.

THIS IS AN ONGOING PROBLEM FOR US AND SO MANY BUSINESS OWNERS AND WE'RE GLAD YOU CAN TALK TO ABOUT IT.

WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO BE HEAVY, UH, A TOWN HALL MEETING.

WHAT'S THE DATE OF THE TOWN HALL MEETING ON JANUARY 30TH AT 6:00 PM.

AND YOU'RE WELCOME TO COME TALK ABOUT, TALK ABOUT YOUR ISSUES WITH THAT NIGHT.

BUT IN THE MEANTIME, LET ME SEE IF I CAN CONNECT YOU WITH MY STAFF SO THAT YOU CAN MEET WITH SOMEBODY FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND TALK ABOUT ALL OF THE THINGS THAT WE CAN DO TO HELP YOU.

IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE ENDED UP BEING A COLLABORATION AND WE'RE, WE'RE FINDING THAT THERE'S THE HOMELESS PROBLEM IN THIS CITY AND EVERY CITY IN CALIFORNIA IS SO MUCH THAT WE'RE REALLY NEEDING COOPERATION WITH NOT ONLY WHAT THE CITY COULD DO TO HELP YOU, BUT PRIVATE SECURITY THAT BUSINESSES ARE ALL AROUND THE COUNTRY ARE BEING FORCED TO GET BECAUSE OF THE CHANGE IN THE CLIMATE OF THE HOMELESS.

SO LET'S WORK TOGETHER AND YOU'RE WELCOME TO COME TO THE TOWN HALL MEETING.

YOU'RE WELCOME TO COME BACK TO ANY COUNCIL MEETINGS IF YOU'D LIKE TO MEET WITH, UH, MYSELF.

UH, PERSONALLY, I'LL, I'LL MEET WITH YOU AND TALK TO YOU ABOUT IT AND SAID IT'S A BIG ISSUE FOR US.

BUT I WISH I COULD TELL YOU THERE WAS AN EASY ANSWER.

IT'S NOT GOING TO, IT'S GOING TO BE A HARD FIGHT.

SO YEP.

GRANT, WOULD YOU SEND SOMEBODY TO MEET WITH HIM? THANK YOU, SIR.

BOB.

YEAH, I'M JUST GOING TO ASK GRAHAM OR SOMEBODY ON THE STAFF, IS THERE ANY, UM, REGULATION THAT HE CAN'T PUT, UH, SAY CAMERAS AROUND THE STORE THAT, UH,

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HE CAN CITE IN ON THESE PEOPLE AND THEN MAYBE, UM, MICROPHONES TO WHERE THEY COULD SAY WE'VE CALLED THE POLICE PLEASE VACATE OUR SPACE AND, UH, MOVE OFF OF OUR LOT.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DO, WE OFFER OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT IS WE MEET WITH BUSINESS OWNERS OR BUSINESS MANAGERS AND TALK ABOUT STRATEGIES, BOTH TECHNOLOGY AND, AND JUST SOME SIMPLE THINGS, LANDSCAPING, UM, HOW THE FLUFF TRAFFIC WORKS, GETTING SECURITY GUARDS, HOW THOSE TOOLS CAN WORK TO HELP US.

UM, BUT THOSE MAY BE, SOME OF THE STRATEGIES WILL APPLY AS PART OF THIS PROCESS, BUT WE'LL, WE'LL REACH OUT AND WE'LL LOOK FOR SOME STRATEGIES THAT HE CAN APPLY AND THAT WE CAN BE AWARE OF AS WELL.

I WOULD THINK CAMERAS AND, UH, MAYBE A MICROPHONE THAT WOULD, OR A SPEAKER OUT THERE THAT YOU COULD SAY, UH, PLEASE REMOVE YOURSELF FROM THE PROPERTY.

UH, THE POLICE HAVE BEEN CALLED AND THEY'RE ON THEIR WAY AND, UH, WE JUST LIKE YOU TO VOLUNTARILY LEAVE WITHOUT HAVING TO, UM, CALL THE POLICE OR WHATEVER AND MAYBE THEY'D MOVE ON AND MAYBE THEY WOULDN'T, BUT I DON'T KNOW.

UH, WHAT THE, WHAT CAN THE POLICE DO IF THEY'RE TRESPASSING ON THE PROPERTY? GOOD.

UH, MORGAN ADDRESS THAT.

WELL, I THINK THE POLICE, IF THEY HAVE A TRESPASS LETTER ON FILE CAN GO IN AND, AND ENFORCE THAT BY ASKING HIM TO LEAVE.

AND IF NOT, THEY CAN CITE THEM FOR TRESPASS UNTIL WE HAVE THAT AUTHORITY THOUGH, IT'S UP TO THE, UH, PROPERTY OWNER TO, TO HANDLE THE TRESPASS CIVILLY OR BY WAY OF A CITIZENS ARREST.

PERHAPS.

JULIO, WE PROBABLY NEED THAT LETTER.

WE HAVEN'T, I THINK I ALREADY SUBMITTED AGAIN.

LET'S WRITE IT ON FILE.

LET'S HAVE YOU MEET WITH THE POLICE AND SEE WHAT WE CAN COME UP WITH AND LET'S WORK TOGETHER.

AND LIKE I SAID, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO CALL THE OFFICE AND MAKE AN APPOINTMENT, I'D BE GLAD TO MEET WITH YOU.

OR IF YOU'D WANT TO MEET WITH ONE OF THE OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS, I'M SURE THEY'D BE HAPPY TO MEET WITH YOU AS WELL.

THIS IS A PROBABLY OUR TOP PRIORITY OF THE THING WE TALK ABOUT AND THINK ABOUT MOST.

THANK YOU.

OH, ONE OTHER QUESTION.

UM, DO THE HOMELESS COME INTO YOUR STORE AND BUY ALCOHOL OR I GUESS YOU DON'T SELL IT TO YOU.

WE ALLOW IT TO THROW ALCOHOL IN THERE.

I REMEMBER YOU ASKED AND WE SAID NO.

SO, UH, YEAH.

ONE OF THE BEST THINGS YOU'RE DOING IS TO KEEPING YOUR DUMPSTER DOORS LOCKED.

I WAS OUT THERE SATURDAY MORNING AND UH, THAT HELPS.

IT'S VERY, VERY IMPORTANT THAT YOU KEEP THAT LOCKED.

THAT IS A KEY TO MUCH OF THE DEBRIS THAT YOU'RE SEEING AROUND TOWN.

YEAH.

THANK YOU.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

JIM CITY.

GHANA.

WELL, SIR, WELCOME.

THANK YOU MAYOR COUNCIL STAFF.

JUST A QUICK UPDATE ON OUR RENT MEDIATION.

NOTHING MUCH HAS CHANGED.

OKAY.

UH, THERE'S EIGHT LIKELY LUCKY PETITIONERS WHO WERE LUCKY ENOUGH TO FILE AT THE RIGHT TIME THAT ARE BEING ADDRESSED AND WE STILL DON'T KNOW ALL THE DETAILS YET AND IT'S SUPPOSED TO CALL THEM AN EIGHT BY JANUARY 31ST.

AND, UH, MR. MITCHELL, UH, THIS, UH, IS APPLICABLE TO YOU.

ALSO THE THINGS THAT WE SPOKE ABOUT AND SOME OF THE INFORMATION THAT I GAVE YOU.

UH, I DID A LITTLE RESEARCH AND FOUND OUT THAT THE CITY ATTORNEY, LYNN MACDONALD MCDOUGAL, EXCUSE ME, WAS THE ONE WHO AUTHORED THIS.

I'M IN THE PROCESS OF TRYING TO FIND OUT WHO ELSE PARTICIPATED IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS.

I'VE CONTACTED THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE AND, UH, PERHAPS EVEN MR. FOLEY, YOU KNOW, I MAY BE IN TOUCH WITH YOU AGAIN ABOUT THIS MATTER.

UH, AND I DO WANT TO FOLLOW UP ON IT.

IT'S VERY IMPORTANT.

UH, AND THEN JUST REAL QUICKLY MOVING ON, UH, I WAS HAPPY TO SEE A CHANGE IN THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.

WE HAVE TWO NEW MEMBERS AND I'D LIKE TO QUOTE SOMETHING FROM NATHAN FLETCHER THAT WAS IN LAST FRIDAY'S UNION TRIBUNE.

HE SAID, THE GOAL OF PUBLIC OFFICE IS TO MOVE POLICY THAT IMPROVES PEOPLE'S LIVES.

NO ONE'S LIFE IS IMPROVED BY A SPEECH.

NO ONE'S LIFE IS IMPROVED BY A CAMPAIGN.

PEOPLE'S LIVES ARE IMPROVED BY BOLD SUBSTANSIVE POLICY CHANGES.

AND I THINK THAT APPLIES TO ALL OF US HERE IN OUR CITY.

ALSO.

UH, LIKE I SAID, UH, THE END OF LAST YEAR, UH, I WOULD HOPE THAT THERE'S A CHANGE IN A LOT OF PROCEDURES THAT ACTUALLY HAPPEN IN THE CITY

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COUNCIL.

AND, UH, I, I ADDRESSED IT AND, UH, MY ONLY DISAPPOINTMENT WAS THAT NO ONE EVER REALLY SPOKE UP AT THAT LAST MEETING.

AND I KNOW, LIKE I SAID, I KNOW WE ADDRESSED THIS HERE AND EVEN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND ALL THEY HAD TO DO WAS COME UP AND KINDLY ASKED THIS GENTLEMAN TO LEAVE THE PREMISES.

UH, AND THAT'S, THAT'S ABOUT ALL I HAVE TO SAY AND HAPPY NEW YEAR.

AND I HOPE THAT, UH, LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH EVERYONE ON THE COUNCIL STAFF.

MR GOBLE.

THANK YOU ALSO FOR, UH, I NOTICED THAT THERE'S NOTHING IS ON THE AGENDA ABOUT THE SOUTH SOUTHWEST KEY.

I KNOW YOU'RE WORKING ON THAT AND I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO HEARING ABOUT IT, UH, THEN TO FOLLOW UP ON IT.

AND I THINK THAT'S ABOUT ALL I HAVE TO SAY TODAY UNLESS ANYONE HAS QUESTIONS FOR ME.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

BRENDA HAMMOND.

HI BRENDA.

WELCOME.

I GRAHAM, I MEAN MR. MITCHELL, I JUST WANTED TO SAY HAPPY NEW YEAR AND, UM, I, I LOST MY LEMON GROVE PIN AND I HOPE SOMEBODY FOUND IT THAT WILL ENJOY IT, BUT I DO HAVE MY, MY ALCOHOL AND WHATNOT, SO WHENEVER I'M IN ALCOHOL AND I WEAR IT.

THANK YOU MONICA.

SO I JUST WANTED TO SAY HAPPY NEW YEAR AND I HOPE THAT, UM, IT'S A GOOD YEAR FOR EVERYBODY.

THANK YOU.

I APPRECIATE THAT.

OUR LAST SPEAKER IS BONNIE PRICE.

MS. PRICE.

WELCOME ALUM.

UM, I COMMEND YOU ALL FOR BRINGING IN SOMEONE FROM THE CENSUS AND POINTING OUT IN NUMBERS WHAT IT MEANS TO ALK A HOME, NOT TO HAVE A COMPLETE COUNT.

UH, YOU'RE PROBABLY AWARE THAT THERE IS A COURT CASE ON WHETHER THE CITIZENSHIP QUESTION WILL BE INCLUDED ON THE CENSUS.

THAT IS, UH, A QUESTION THAT WILL DETER COLLABORATION WITH THE COMPLETE COUNT.

IT'LL COST YOU MONEY IF PEOPLE DO NOT PARTICIPATE.

AND SO I HOPE THAT YOU WILL LET THOSE KNOW WHO MAKE FEDERAL POLICY THAT THEY SHOULD REALLY WITHDRAW THEIR ASSERTION THAT THEY'RE GOING TO ADD THAT CITIZENSHIP QUESTION CAUSE IT WILL COST MONEY FOR ELCA HOME.

AND THAT MEANS THE MONEY HAS TO BE MADE UP BY LOCAL TAXES.

SO, UH, THE COURT CASE OF COURSES AND PROCESS, BUT STILL USUALLY LAWYERS SAY, WELL, IT'S IN LEGAL LIMBO.

WE CAN'T TALK ABOUT IT.

BUT THOSE WHO BRING THE CASE WHO HAVE A POLICY IN PLACE, THEY CAN BE TALKED TO AND ASK THEM TO WITHDRAW THE QUESTION VOLUNTARILY SO IT'S NO LONGER ILLEGAL ISSUE.

NOW, THERE ARE TWO ITEMS FROM LAST TIME.

LAST MEETING, UH, WAS WONDERING IF YOU FOLLOWED UP ON THE QUESTION OF WHETHER EAST COUNTY TRANSITIONAL LIVING CENTER PEOPLE WILL ACTUALLY GET PAID FOR WORKING FOR THE CITY.

MR MAYOR, DID YOU DO THAT? NO, I'M SORRY, I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION.

MR MAYOR.

WE DON'T HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH THE EEC TLC.

SO THE QUESTIONS MOOT AT THIS POINT.

OH, I THOUGHT YOU HAD PASSED AN AGREEMENT WITH THEM, BUT I'M NOT SURE WHAT AGREEMENT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT EAST COUNTY TRANSITIONAL LIVING CENTER TO WORK WITH THE CITY TO DO TOWN MAINTENANCE.

I BELIEVE SHE'S REFERRING TO THE COUNCIL DID AUTHORIZE STAFF TO LOOK INTO WORKING WITH THEM TO COME TO A POTENTIAL AGREEMENT.

WE HAVE NO AGREEMENT THAT WE'VE PRESENTED THE COUNCIL FOR CONSIDERATION.

OKAY.

FAULTY MEMORY, BUT WHENEVER YOU DO IT, PLEASE CONSIDER REQUIRING THAT THEY PAY THE PEOPLE.

SOME OF THE MONEY THAT GOES TO THE EAST COUNTY TRANSITIONAL LIVING CENTER.

THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA EVEN PAYS PEOPLE WHO ARE IN PRISON TO GO ON FIRE DUTY.

JUST A SMALL SUM SO THAT THEY CAN FEEL LIKE THEY'RE MAKING A CONTRIBUTION WHEN THEY'RE DOING THIS WORK.

WOULDN'T THIS BE AN EMPLOYMENT COMMISSION ISSUE? AN EMPLOYMENT ISSUE? WELL, WHEN YOU'RE HAVING A CONTRACT LABOR, YOU PUT IT IN THE CONTRACT.

WHAT YOUR SPECIFICATIONS ARE.

I, I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT THE STATE OF THE CITY OF ALCOHOL DOESN'T HAVE ANY JURISDICTION IN WHAT PEOPLE ARE PAYING ARE NOT PAID.

SO THAT WOULD BE, I, I IMAGINE THERE'S A, I THINK IT'S THE DEPARTMENT OF LIT LABORS YEAH.

OR YOU WOULDN'T PUT IN THE CONTRACT

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A SPECIFICATION THAT'S BOSE WHO ARE IN THE HOMELESS SHELTER GET ACTUAL SOME OF THE MONEY THAT EAST COUNTY TRANSITIONAL LIVING CENTER GETS.

WELL, I, WE DON'T HAVE A CONTRACT, WE DON'T HAVE AN AGREEMENT.

SO I GUESS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.

WHAT I'M SAYING IS IF YOU THINK THAT PEOPLE ARE BEING MISTREATED AND NOT BEING PAID THEIR FAIR SHARE, THEN THERE'S ANOTHER AGENCY THAT YOU CAN GO TO.

AS FAR AS A FUTURE, UH, AGREEMENT.

I'D HAVE TO SEE THE AGREEMENT AND SEE WHAT WAS IN IT AND WHAT WAS NOT.

UH, GENERALLY WE WOULDN'T SPECIFY WHAT ANYBODY'S PAID.

WE WOULD CONTRACT OUT WITH A ENTITY AND THEY WOULD PAY THEIR PEOPLE WHAT THEY PAY THEIR PEOPLE.

OKAY.

WELL, I HEAR YOU LOUD AND CLEAR.

YOU'RE NOT REALLY GOING TO PUT A SPECIFICATION IN A CONTRACT IF YOU HAVE, IT'S A HYPOTHETICAL.

I, IF, IF THE, IF THE CONTRACT CAME TO US AND, AND THAT WERE APPROPRIATE, I SUPPOSE IT'D BE HAPPY TO LOOK AT THAT.

BUT IT'S JUST IN GENERAL, I'VE NEVER ANY, I'VE BEEN DOING THIS SINCE 2004 I'VE NEVER SEEN ANY CONTRACT WHERE WE QUESTION WHAT PEOPLE WERE BEING PAID OR HOW THEY'RE BEING PAID.

SO PERHAPS PERHAPS THEY WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE IN THE FUTURE.

I, I DON'T KNOW IF WE EVER GET A CONTRACT WITH THEM THEN I GUESS WE CAN, YOU CAN COME TO THE MEETING AND ASK FOR THAT.

OKAY.

WELL, WHEN SOME OF US DID AN INVESTIGATION OF THE SITUATION SEVERAL YEARS AGO, WE LEARNED THAT SOME OF THESE HOMELESS PEOPLE WERE REQUIRED TO SIGN VOLUNTEER WORK CONTRACTS AND THEY HAD TO WORK 12 HOURS AND THEY GOT NOT A SINGLE DIME EVEN THOUGH THE EAST COUNTY TRANSITIONAL LIVING CENTER GOT THE MONEY.

I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT.

I'M SORRY.

WELL, WE LOOKED, WE HAD PEOPLE WHO HAD BEEN THERE TELLING US THAT THEY WERE ABUSED BY THOSE WHO WERE SUPPOSED TO BE HELPING THEM SALVAGE THEIR LIVES.

AND YOU'RE NOT A FAN OF THESE CANNED TRANSITIONAL LIVING.

SAID, ALL RIGHT, I WAS THERE.

I VISITED.

I THINK THEY HAVE A GOOD PROGRAM.

I'VE SEEN AMAZING THINGS HAPPEN OUT OF THAT.

I MEAN, PEOPLE THAT HAVE LOST THEIR LIVES.

I HAVE REGRADED WHERE, WHERE, UH, OTHER PROGRAMS, COMMERCIAL PROGRAMS THAT CHARGE THEM TREMENDOUS AMOUNT, 50, $60,000 A MONTH, UH, DON'T HAVE NEARLY THE SUCCESS RATE.

SO IT'S, FOR ME, I, I, I HAVE TROUBLE BELIEVING THAT THEY'RE HURTING THESE FOLKS.

BUT IF YOU FEEL LIKE THEY ARE, THEN PERHAPS YOU SHOULD CALL COMMUNITY CARE LICENSING OR, OR THE COUNTY OF SAN DIEGO WHO HAS JURISDICTION OVER THESE KINDS OF THINGS AND REPORT IT.

BUT I, I WOULD, IT WOULD BREAK MY HEART BECAUSE IT'S PROBABLY THE MOST PROLIFIC PROGRAM THAT WE HAVE IN THIS COUNTY OR MAYBE ANY OTHER COUNTY I'VE HEARD OF.

WELL, I'M NOT CONDEMNING THE AGENCY.

I'M JUST SAYING THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE THERE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE LEARNING HOW TO LIVE AS A FUNCTIONING PERSON IN OUR SOCIETY.

AND LIKE I SAID, AS, AS A DOCTOR OF MENTAL HEALTH, I'VE NEVER SEEN A PROGRAM THAT HAS BEEN AS EFFECTIVE AS THEY ARE IN DOING JUST THAT.

WELL, BUT IF YOU THINK THERE'D BE PEOPLE ARE BEING ABUSED, I, I DEFINITELY THINK YOU SHOULD CONTACT THE COUNTY AND, AND GO THROUGH THE PROCESS.

OKAY.

I HEAR YOU.

THANK YOU.

AND THE OTHER THING THAT WAS LEFT FROM LAST MEETING, UH, WAS THE SOUTHWEST KEY OPERATIONS.

NEW DIRECTED STAFF.

YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S ON MY LIST.

I'LL BE ASKING YOU ABOUT THAT.

W WHEN MY TURN COMES UP.

OKAY.

THANK YOU CARRIE.

UH, JUST TO COMMENT, UH, I USUALLY DON'T COMMENT ON, ON PUBLIC COMMENT CAUSE IT JUST FOR THE PUBLIC TO TELL US WHAT THEY THINK.

UH, BUT, UH, I HAVE TWO PEOPLE THAT LIVED AT MY HOUSE THAT ARE GRADUATES OF EAST COUNTY TRANSITIONAL LIVING CENTER AND THEY'D BEEN THERE THREE YEARS NOW AND THEY'RE BIG FANS OF IT AND SAVED THEIR LIVES.

THEY LITERALLY TOOK THEM OUT OF THE GUTTER, UH, WITH THEIR NOSE BLEEDING FROM, YOU KNOW, TOO MUCH COCAINE AND OTHER BAD THINGS.

AND THEY'RE VERY PROTECTIVE MEMBERS OF SOCIETY NOW AND THEY'RE LIKE MEMBERS OF MY FAMILY.

SO I'M VERY IMPRESSED WITH WHAT THEY DO OVER THERE.

WELL, I THINK THAT THEY HAVE AN AGREEMENT WHEN THEY ENTER THE PROGRAM THAT IT'S A WORK LEARNING EXPERIENCE.

AND, UM, THEY'RE, THEY'RE TRYING TO LEARN TO DO THINGS WORKING AGAIN, WHICH THEY HAVEN'T DONE FOR A PERIOD OF TIME WHEN THEY WERE HOMELESS.

AND IT'S WAY OF REINTRODUCING THEM TO WHAT LIFE'S ALL ABOUT.

UH, AND, UM, THEY DON'T PAY ANY ROOM AND BOARD.

UM, I THINK THAT'S HOW THEY, UM, THEIR WORK PAYS FOR, UH, THEIR ROOM AND BOARD AND, UH, THEY, UM,

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THEY'VE BEEN VERY PRODUCTIVE.

I'VE HAD A NUMBER OF THEM WORK FOR ME AND MY, UH, AROUND THE HOUSE AND, UH, AT THE BUSINESS THAT I HAVE AND THEY'VE BEEN VERY GOOD WORKERS AND VERY RELIABLE AND, UM, IT'S BEEN A VERY SATISFACTORY EXPERIENCE.

AND, UH, THE PEOPLE ARE WONDERFUL.

THEY LIKE THE PROGRAM.

THEY'RE VERY MUCH ENTHUSED WITH IT.

I THINK IF THEY WANT, THEY CAN LEAVE THE PROGRAM AT ANY TIME THEY WANT AND GET BACK OUT ON THE STREET OR WHATEVER THEY GO, BUT THAT'S THEIR FREE WILL.

AND, UH, NOBODY'S PUT A GUN TO THEIR HEAD AND SAID THAT THEY HAVE TO DO THE THINGS THAT THEY'RE ASKED TO DO.

UM, BUT I THINK THAT IT'S A VERY SUCCESSFUL PROGRAM AS LARRY HAS ALREADY.

GARY IS ALREADY SAID AND UM, THERE THEY'RE WONDERFUL PEOPLE THAT, UH, ARE THERE AND ARE GOOD, UH, TO CONTACT THEM WHEN YOU NEED WORK DONE IN THE YARD OR BUILDING OR ANYTHING ELSE AND THEY'RE VERY GOOD WORKERS.

SO ANYWAY, UH, I'M TOTALLY CONVINCED THAT IT'S A GREAT PROGRAM FOR THE CITY AND FOR THE RECIDIVISM RATE OF UH, UH, COMING OUT OF THE PROGRAM AND THEN GOING BACK INTO HOMELESSNESS IS A WHOLE ABOUT PROBABLY A QUARTER OF WHAT IT IS.

UH, AS FAR AS THE STATE PROGRAM IS CONCERNED OR ANY OTHER PRIVATE ORGANIZATION HAS, THEY ONLY HAVE ABOUT 20% OF THE PEOPLE THAT, UH, GRADUATE THAT, UM, ACTUALLY FALL BACK INTO THAT SAME SITUATION.

80% OF THEM BECOME TAX PAYERS, NOT TAX USERS.

AND IT'S A VERY GOOD PROGRAM REGARDING THE SOUTHWEST KEY ITEM THAT WAS BROUGHT UP DECEMBER 11TH CITY STAFF HAS REACHED OUT TO SOUTHWEST KEY.

UM, WE HAVE TO HAVE PERMISSION FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT BEFORE WE'RE ALLOWED ON THE PROPERTY.

SO PROBABLY BECAUSE OF THE CHRISTMAS HOLIDAY OR I SHOULD SAY THE DECEMBER HOLIDAY.

AND WITH FEDERAL GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN, THERE'S A DELAY IN HEARING BACK FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT FOR THAT APPROVAL.

SO OUR, OUR ACCESS TIME MAY BE EXTENDED.

SO THAT'S THE REASON WHY WE'RE STILL WAITING TO HEAR FROM.

THAT'S THE NEXT STEP.

THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT.

OKAY, NOW MY CARD, SIR.

OKAY.

[8. Notice to Vacate and Summary Abatement at 743 El Cajon Boulevard RECOMMENDATION: That the City Council: Opens the public hearing and receives testimony; Closes the public hearing; Deems appropriate the Building Official/Fire Marshal’s actions in this case; Directs staff to monitor the condition of the property and release power when code violations have been corrected; Invoices the property owner of record for administrative costs and staff time totaling $6,616.95 to be paid within 90 days; and Places a tax lien if City costs are not paid.]

THAT BRINGS US TO PUBLIC HEARINGS.

UM, ITEM NUMBER EIGHT IS REGARDING A NOTICE TO VACATE AND ABATEMENT AT SEVEN 43 BOULEVARD AND STAFF.

WOULD YOU TELL US ABOUT THAT? HELLO SIR.

OH, MY WORD.

MAYOR ELSE.

CITY COUNCIL.

SORRY.

I'VE GOT A LITTLE BIT OF HEAD COLD GOING ON.

SO, WELL, YOU'VE SEEN MY, MY AGENDA REPORT.

UM, THIS FACILITY DID INSTALL, UH, IT WAS A MARIJUANA DISPENSARY.

IT DIDN'T STALL THESE ELECTRONIC MAGNETIC LOCKS.

UH, THEY'RE, THEY'RE VERY PROBLEMATIC BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO ACTUALLY BUZZ SOMEBODY OUT, UH, TO LEAVE THE BUILDING.

AND THIS PARTICULAR CASE, IT WAS EVEN ON A REMOTE.

SO IF SOMEBODY MISPLACED THAT REMOTE, UM, YOU COULDN'T REALLY BUZZ ANYBODY OUT IF THERE WAS A, YOU KNOW, A FIRE IN THE BUILDING OR IF SOMEBODY CAME IN AND TRIED TO ROB THE PLACE, UM, THAT KIND OF THING COULD BE, IT COULD BE A VERY BIG PROBLEM.

SO WE REQUESTED THAT SDG REMOVED THE, UH, THE METER FOR THE PROPERTY.

UM, THIS IS KIND OF STANDARD PROCEDURE FOR US BECAUSE WE DON'T GET A LOT OF COOPERATION FROM THE BUSINESS ITSELF.

UH, SO THEY DID REMOVE THE, UH, THE, UH, METER FROM THE BUILDING.

UNFORTUNATELY, THEY INSTALLED A GENERATOR INSIDE THE BUILDING.

THERE WAS ACTUALLY A VENTING ON THE INSIDE OF THE BUILDING.

UH, AND IT WAS ALMOST COMICAL IN A SENSE, CAUSE THEY ACTUALLY, I ACTUALLY WARN THEM, DO NOT DO THIS.

IT'S DANGEROUS.

AND, UH, BUT THEY DID IT ANYWAY.

THEY INSTALL THIS GENERATOR AND IT ACTUALLY MADE SOME PEOPLE SICK, MADE THREE PEOPLE SICK, ONE WAS TRANSPORTED TO THE HOSPITAL.

UH, SO AT THAT POINT WE W THE POLICE DEPARTMENT CONFISCATED THE GENERATOR.

WE BOARDED THE STRUCTURE, UH, THEY OPENED BACK UP, UH, WE BOARDED THEM AGAIN.

IT HAS SINCE BEEN VACATED BY THE TENANT AND RETURNED BACK TO THE PROPERTY OWNER WHO IS HERE TODAY.

AND, UH, SO WE ARE STANDING BEFORE COUNCIL REQUESTED THAT WE BE IN RE REIMBURSE THE COSTS OF BOARDING COSTS, OUR RESPONSE, ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS, ET CETERA.

COUNSEL, ANY QUESTIONS? HERE'S A QUESTION FOR YOU SIR.

UH, DON'T WE, UH, FIND THESE BUSINESSES, UM, A CERTAIN AMOUNT PER DAY, $2,500 A DAY AND HAS THAT BEEN DONE? MS MR MCCLELLAN? THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE, UM, THE ADMINISTRATIVE FINES THAT HAVE BEEN ISSUED.

THIS IS JUST FOR THE COST THAT THAT STAFF INCURRED, THE DIRECT COST STAFF INCURRED TO ABATE THE PROPERTY TO BOARD IT UP TO MAKE IT SAFE.

SO WE WILL BE COLLECTING THAT OTHER FEE THROUGH A DIFFERENT PROCESS.

BUT FOR RIGHT NOW, WE WANTED TO GET

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THE ACTUAL DOLLAR AMOUNT THAT WE SPENT ON ABATING THE PROPERTY, UH, AS A LIEN IF IT CAN'T PAID.

YEAH.

I THINK WHEN WE FIND ONE OF THESE DISPENSARIES, WE NEED TO NOTIFY THE PROPERTY OWNER THAT, UH, UH, THEY WILL BE FINE.

$2,500 A DAY, UH, THAT IT'S OPEN AND NOT SHUT DOWN BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT, UH, THEY NEED TO KNOW WHAT THEIR LIABILITY IS GOING TO BE.

UM, THAT WOULD BE A GOOD PRACTICE MAYBE TO NOTIFY THEM IMMEDIATELY THAT THEY'RE UNDER THE GUN FOR $2,500 A DAY UNTIL THEIR TENANT LEAVES.

ACTUALLY, WE, WHEN WE SITE, UM, WE ACTUALLY SITE THE, THE BUSINESS OPERATOR AS WELL AS A PROPERTY OWNER.

SO THERE'S ACTUALLY TWO CITATIONS THAT GO OUT WHEN WE FIND ONE OF THESE ILLEGALLY OPERATED DISPENSARIES.

SO THE PROPERTY OWNER KNOWS RIGHT AWAY.

THAT'S IT.

THAT'S ABSOLUTE GROUND THE HOOK FOR $2,500 A DAY.

THAT'S CORRECT.

GREAT.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

UM, BEFORE WE GO INTO PUBLIC SPEAKERS, ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR COUNCIL? ALL RIGHT, ANGELA.

HEY, PUBLIC SPEAKERS ON THIS ISSUE.

WE HAVE ONE SPEAKER, JAMES MCCORMICK.

ALL RIGHT.

I'M ABOUT TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND INVITE JAMES UP.

MR. MCCORMICK, HOW ARE YOU DON MERRILL WELLS? I'M FINE, BUT NOT FINE.

IF YOU CAN IMAGINE LOOKING AT A $6,000 BILL AND COUNCIL MEMBERS, THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME SPEAK.

AND LET ME SAY RIGHT UP FRONT, I AM NOT A MARIJUANA USER, NEVER HAVE BEEN, NEVER WILL BE.

IT WAS PROBLEMATICAL FOR ME AS A SQUAD LEADER IN VIETNAM TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHO WAS GOING TO BE SAFE AND WHO WASN'T.

I DO NOT APPRECIATE THIS STUFF, BUT I ALSO DON'T APPRECIATE RECEIVING FOUR ADMINISTRATIVE CITATIONS IN FOUR DAYS BEFORE I EVER RECEIVED THE FIRST CITATION AND IN THE FINDING PROCESS I'VE BEEN ISSUED THREE MORE.

IT'S A LITTLE UNREASONABLE AS OF THIS $6,000 THE SAME THING APPLIES.

BY THE TIME I RECEIVED NOTICE THAT I WAS ORDERED TO SECURE THE PREMISES AND BOARDED UP.

IT WAS BEING DONE WHEN I ARRIVED, CITY STAFF WAS THERE BOARDING IT UP AND IN A WAY I THANK THEM BECAUSE I COULDN'T GET RID OF THESE PEOPLE.

THE LAW ENFORCEMENT AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT DID THE TRICK.

THEY HEADED FOR THE WOODS AND FRANKLY I HAVEN'T SEEN HIM SINCE AND THEY DON'T ANSWER THEIR PHONE, BUT TO BE CLEAR, I DID NOT RENT THIS BUILDING TO A MARIJUANA DISPENSARY.

I SOLD THIS BUILDING TO AN INDIVIDUAL WHO TOLD ME HE WAS GOING TO TRY A TRY AND OPEN A LIQUOR STORE, WHICH I FOUND LUDICROUS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE BLOCK WITH NO PARKING, BUT IT HAD BEEN VACANT FOR THREE YEARS AND AFTER THREE YEARS I WAS RECEPTIVE TO THE OFFER TO PURCHASE EVEN THOUGH I HAD MY MISGIVINGS, WHICH PROVED TO BE TRUE.

BOTTOM LINE IS I BELIEVE THAT $6,000 FOR FIVE PIECES OF PLYWOOD IS A LITTLE ONEROUS AND I WOULD ASK YOU TO RECONSIDER THAT.

AH, I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS.

UH, YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU SOLD THE PROPERTY, YOU DIDN'T RENT THE PROPERTY.

W WHY ARE YOU HERE? THAT IF, IF THE, IF THE PROPERTY HAD MOVED OUT OF YOUR NAME AND WAS TRANSFERRED INTO THE NAME OF ANOTHER PERSON, WHY ARE WE SEE YOU? BECAUSE WE DID NOT AFFECT A TRANSFER.

WE WERE STILL DEALING WITH AN ATTORNEY WHO WAS PREPARING A SALE AGREEMENT.

OKAY.

UH, THAT PARTICULAR ATTORNEY NO LONGER WORKS FOR ME.

AFTER THREE WEEKS, SHE STILL HADN'T PRODUCED IT.

I REACHED OUT TO ANOTHER ATTORNEY AND BY THEN THE FUEL WAS IN THE FIRE AND I DIDN'T WANT TO SELL IT TO THEM.

I WAS HOPING WE COULD GET RID OF THEM.

AND BEFORE, BEFORE I GO ON, I FORGOT TO MENTION THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE FROM VIETNAM.

OH, THANK YOU.

OKAY, SO THIS IS AN IMPORTANT QUESTION FOR ME.

DID YOU KNOW THAT THIS WAS GOING TO BECOME A MARIJUANA DISPENSARY? I GUESSED THAT IT WAS GOING TO BE AFTER THE SECOND MEETING, BUT BY THEN WE HAD ENTERED INTO AN AGREEMENT.

I SHOULD HAVE JUST BLOWN OUT OF THE AGREEMENT AND TAKEN MY LUMPS ON THAT SIDE OF THE LEDGER.

I WAS TOLD IT WAS GOING TO BE A LIQUOR STORE.

WELL, THANK YOU FOR BEING SO HONEST WITH ME.

I APPRECIATE THAT.

I'M, LET ME SEE IF THERE'S ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COUNCIL.

YES SIR.

SO ESCROW DID NOT CLOSE.

YOU JUST ALLOWED THEM TO TAKE EARLY POSSESSION.

YES, I TOOK A FIRST AND LAST MONTH I AGREED TO RENT TO OWN UNTIL WE COULD GET THROUGH THE ESCROW PROCESS.

SO YOU RECEIVE SOME KIND OF

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MONIES FROM THIS BUYER? YES.

OKAY.

UH, AND FIRST AND LAST IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THE LIMIT OF WHAT YOU COLLECTED FROM THEM OR DID YOU COLLECT A MONTHLY RENT AS WELL DURING THE HOLDOVER? THAT IS THE MONTHLY RENT FIRST AND LAST IS TYPICAL IN A RENTAL SCENARIO.

AND HOW MANY MONTHS WERE THEY THERE? THEY ACTUALLY MOVED IN OCTOBER 15TH.

OKAY.

I BELIEVE THE LOCKOUT OCCURRED THE 29TH OF NOVEMBER.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU.

CITY STAFF WOULD BE ABLE TO AFFIRM THAT.

I THINK 29TH OF OCTOBER, 27TH, EXCUSE ME.

YEAH, I HAVE A, I'M A LITTLE BIT CONFUSED TOO.

SO, UM, YOU TOOK FIRST AND LAST MONTH RENT.

THAT'S IT.

THAT'S IT.

THE IDEA WAS TO GET THE BALANCE AT THE CLOSE AS WE ENTERED INTO THE ESCROW TO GET THE BALANCE OF THE FIRST DOWN PAYMENT.

SO THEY WERE GOING TO, SO I WAS RENTING TO THEM, BUT THAT WAS NOT MY INTENT.

I DO NOT ENJOY SELLING PROPERTIES THAT I'VE HAD FOR 34 YEARS.

BUT FRANKLY, THIS PROPERTY THOUGH, THAT WHOLE END OF OKLAHOMA BOULEVARD HAS BECOME SUCH A PROBLEM.

I'VE SPENT $9,000 THERE THIS YEAR.

PAINTING BUILDINGS, FIXING FENCES.

EJECTING THE HOMELESS.

YEAH.

SO, UM, YOU TRY TO SELL IT.

THE SALE DIDN'T GO THROUGH, THEN THEY WENT TO RENT TO OWN.

YOU COLLECTED TWO MONTHS WORTH OF PAYMENTS AND THAT'S IT.

THEY PAID ME ONCE ON OCTOBER 15TH OR TWO MONTHS.

AND THEN YOU TOOK YOU, UH, THEY FORFEITED THEIR ESCROW DEPOSIT.

RIGHT.

THEY FORFEITED EVERYTHING.

THEY DON'T EVEN ANSWER THEIR PHONE.

NOW I'M SAYING THAT, I'M SORRY.

THERE WAS NO ESCROW EVER OPENED.

WE NEVER GOT THAT POINT.

OKAY.

MY ATTORNEY, SUSAN LAMPSON LET ME DOWN BIG TIME ON THAT.

SOUNDS LIKE A MESSY TRANSACTION.

OKAY, WELL I GET IT.

WELL, YOU, YOU'VE, YOU'VE, SINCE NOW YOU'RE THE OWNER AGAIN STILL.

UM, SO IT NEVER WENT TO ESCROW.

IT WENT TO A, A LIKE A PURCHASE AGREEMENT THAT YOUR ATTORNEY DRAFTED UP.

THAT DEAL FELL THROUGH.

THEN YOU GOTTA YOU GOT A WHIFF THAT THEY WERE SELLING MARIJUANA AND THEN YOU, UH, THEN YOU'RE HERE.

NOW IT'S MUCH MORE THAN A WHIFF.

UH, MR , I STILL HAD MY OFFICE RIGHT NEXT DOOR.

THE ODOR IS HORRIBLE.

OKAY.

SO YOU REALLY NEED TO KNOW.

I KNEW THEY WERE WHAT THEY WERE UP TO AFTER.

THEY'D BEEN THERE ABOUT A WEEK AND THEY INSTALLED A BUNCH OF CRAZY DOORS AND WINDOWS AND WALLS, ALL OF WHICH I'M GOING TO HAVE TO REMOVE NOW ONCE I GET A BUILDING PERMIT TO REMOVE THEM.

I KNOW IT'S HARD TO KEEP UP WITH LIKE CITY ORDINANCES AND WHATNOT, BUT DID YOU KNOW THAT IT WAS ILLEGAL TO HAVE THOSE THAT HERE WITHIN THE CITY? YES.

THANKS.

A FOLLOWUP QUESTION.

THE PUBLIC WILL ASK, WHY SHOULD YOU KEEP TWO MONTHS WORTH OF RENT AND YET THE PEOPLE OF ALCOHOL AND SHOULD INCUR THE COST OF ENFORCEMENT? WHAT WOULD YOUR RESPONSE BE, MR GLOBAL? I'M NOT ASKING YOU TO INCUR THE ENTIRE $6,000 I AM SAYING THAT I BELIEVE $6,000 FOR THE WORK THAT WAS PERFORMED IS OUTRAGEOUS, FRANKLY.

UM, BUT THEN I HAVEN'T SEEN THE INVOICE.

I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WAS DONE TO INCUR THAT.

66 1695 HOW MUCH MONEY DID THEY GIVE YOU ALL TOGETHER IN THAT PAYMENT ALTOGETHER? $20,000.

$20,000 FOR TWO MONTHS OF RENT.

YUP.

WASN'T THAT, DIDN'T YOU THINK THAT WAS A LITTLE EXCESSIVE IN SHUDDERING WHAT THEY WANTED TO DO TO GO INTO MY BUILDING AND START MAKING CHANGES WITHOUT GOING TO ESCROW? NO, I DIDN'T THINK SO AT ALL.

I WAS LOOKING TO GATHER SOME INCOME OFF THIS PROPERTY.

IT'S BEEN VACANT FOR THREE YEARS.

MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE MARIJUANA DISPENSARY HAS TAKEN ABOUT $10,000 A DAY AND TYPICALLY PAY ENORMOUS AMOUNTS OF RENT CAUSE IT JUST THAT PART OF THE COST OF DOING BUSINESS.

IT DIDN'T MAKE YOU A LITTLE SUSPICIOUS? YES AND NO.

I WAS SUSPICIOUS, BUT I WAS ANXIOUS TO MAKE A SALE.

WE DID NOT MAKE A DEAL AT $3,000 A MONTH.

THEY OFFERED TO GO TO 20 KNOWING THAT WE WERE GOING TO BE AT LEAST 60 DAYS GETTING THE ATTORNEYS TO DO THIS AGREEMENT BECAUSE WE WERE NOT USING A REALTOR.

THANK YOU.

SO I DO HAVE $20,000 I CAN PAY THIS.

I'D RATHER NOT.

IT WOULD THAT WOULD THAT $20,000 HAVE COME OFF THE TOTAL COST OF THE HOUSE, WHICH A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY, MR WOULD HAVE COME IN WHEN YOU WERE TAKING THE 20,000 YOU SAY, WELL THIS 20,000 IS GOING TO

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COME OFF THE TOTAL COST OF THE PROPERTY WHEN I SELL IT.

OH YES, I, EXCUSE ME.

YES IT WOULD.

THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD GO TOWARD THE DOWN PAYMENT.

OKAY.

STEVE FOLLOWING UP, THE $6,600 $600 WAS FOR ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS.

$880 WAS COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT STAFF TIME.

$3,200 WAS FOR PUBLIC WORK STAFF TIME AND BOARDING MATERIAL COSTS.

THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IS $1,900 THE FIRE DEPARTMENTS IN THERE, BECAUSE THERE WAS A VERY DANGEROUS INCIDENT THERE ON NOVEMBER 29TH IN WHICH THEY WERE RUNNING A GENERATOR INSIDE.

AND I THINK THE POLICE DEPARTMENT SAVED THE LIVES OF TWO PEOPLE THAT DAY.

SO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT RESPONSE FOR THAT, UH, IS NOT A NORMAL COST OF, OF, UH, SERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY.

SO THAT'S YOUR $6,600 $1,800 FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, 3,200 FOR THE PUBLIC WORKS, 800 AND 600 FOR THE COMMUTE DEVELOPMENT, OVERHEAD COSTS.

NOW I'M GOING TO COME BACK TO MY QUESTION.

IF YOU RECEIVE $20,000 IN RENT, CAN YOU SEE HOW THE PUBLIC WOULD SAY, WHY SHOULD HE KEEP $20,000 AND WE THE PEOPLE HAVE ALCOHOL AND HAVE TO ABSORB $6,600 MR GOLDWELL MY, YOU HAVE TO ALSO UNDERSTAND, I STILL HAVE ANOTHER $24,000 FINE PENDING, SO I'M STRUGGLING TO SAVE SOMETHING SOMEWHERE.

THE $24,000 I AM TOLD IS NOT SOMETHING THAT CAN BE APPEALED.

THE APPEAL PERIOD IS APPARENTLY GONE BY, SO I'M ON THE HOOK FOR AN ADDITIONAL $24,000 OF STAFF TIME PENALTIES AND SO FORTH THAT MR MCCLELLAN ALLUDED TO, BUT AGAIN, I RECEIVED MY FIRST NOTICE IN THE MAIL.

THERE ARE THREE MORE SUCCESSFULLY COMING IN, AT WHICH POINT WE'RE ALREADY IN FINE.

THIS IS ON THE ADMINISTRATIVE SIDE.

EVEN IF I COULD GET THEM OUT THE MINIMUM TIME IT WOULD TAKE TO GET THEM OUT.

AND I BELIEVE CITY ATTORNEY CAN ATTEST TO THIS.

BY THE TIME YOU DO AN UNLAWFUL DETAINER AND GO THROUGH THE WAITING PERIODS, YOUR 30 DAYS, I ALREADY OWE $24,000.

AS I SAID EARLIER, THE CITY DID ME A FAVOR BY GETTING RID OF THESE PEOPLE BECAUSE AT THIS POINT THEY'RE BELLIGERENT, UH, AND NOT NICE.

VERY, VERY MUCH NOT NICE.

OKAY.

I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE FACING PROBABLY REMODEL COSTS.

UH, YOU'RE FACING SOME CIVIL PENALTIES.

UH, I, I JUST COME BACK TO THE PUBLIC WOULD ASK ME, WHY ARE YOU WAVING $6,600 OR A PORTION THEREOF AND LET HIM KEEP $20,000.

I UNDERSTAND YOU HAVE ADDITIONAL COSTS.

UH, I'M SYMPATHETIC.

I THINK REALLY THIS COMES DOWN TO AN ERROR IN JUDGMENT ON GIVING THEM THE PROPERTY BEFORE YOU CLOSED ESCROW AND NOW YOU HAVE LEGAL LIABILITY FOR THINGS AS A RESULT.

I THINK YOUR INTENT WAS NOT A BAD, BUT, UH, BUT NONETHELESS, THERE WAS A HARM TO THE PEOPLE OF OKLAHOMA THAT INCURRED COSTS AND WERE THE WATCHDOGS OF THE CITY'S RESOURCES.

AND SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'M COMING FROM.

I HEAR YOU AND I ACTUALLY AGREE WITH YOU, MR GOBLE.

YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT, BUT I WILL ALSO THROW IN THAT I HAVE TWO ADDITIONAL LAWSUITS AS A RESULT OF THIS OCCUPANCY.

I HAVE ONE FOR ADA NONCOMPLIANCE BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T INSTALL A RAMP.

BOB, THAT'S 20,000 MORE.

IT LOOKS LIKE MORGAN GOT A QUESTION.

DOES A PROPERTY OWNER WHERE SOMEBODY PUTS AN ILLEGAL BUSINESS IN THEIR PROPERTY, DO THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO GET THEM OUT OF THERE RIGHT AWAY? IS THERE A PROCESS FOR DOING THAT? WELL, THERE'S AN IMPLIED COVENANT THAT YOU DO NOT COMMIT ILLEGAL ACTS WHEN YOU'RE LEASING A 10 A PIECE OF PROPERTY.

AND THAT DOES GIVE THE PROPERTY OWNER THE CHANCE TO, UH, DECLARE A BREACH OF THE CONTRACT, IN MY OPINION, AND A SEEK OF REMOVAL OF THE, OF THE TENANT, OR AT LEAST SEEK THEM TO GIVE THEM NOTICE AND REQUIRED THEM TO CEASE AND DESIST THAT ACTIVITY.

AND IF THEY DON'T WITHIN THE THREE DAY NOTICE, UH, TO QUIT THAT TYPE OF ILLEGAL ACTIVITY, I THINK IT'S THREE STILL THREE DAY NOTICE FOR A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY.

THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO, TO START THE UNLAWFUL DETAINER PROCESS.

AND HOW LONG DOES THAT TAKE? WELL, THAT COULD TAKE QUITE SOME TIME WHEN YOU HAVE A VERY SOPHISTICATED TENANT BECAUSE THEY CAN DRAG IT OUT AS A FEE FOR MANY WEEKS TO COME.

SO THEIR BEST BET IS TO CALL THE CITY AND TELL THEM TO HAVE THE ELECTRIC METER REMOVED.

AND UH, LET ME MAKE IT CLEAR, WE DO NOT GO OUT AT A DIRECTING SDG NEED TO REMOVE A METERS WITHOUT AN APPROPRIATE, UH, BACKGROUND THAT REFLECTS THAT THERE IS A S A, AN IMMEDIATE LIFE AND SAFETY ISSUE GOING ON.

IT WAS BECAUSE AS MR INDICATED, BECAUSE OF AN ILLEGAL

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INSTALLATION OF MAGNETIC LOCKS FOR DOORS, WHICH VIOLATES THE BUILDING CODE, AND WE HAVE TAKEN THIS POSITION ON THESE TYPES OF, UH, IMPROVEMENTS, THAT THAT IS ILLEGAL, THAT DOES JUSTIFY THE REMOVAL, THE METER SDG ANY, WE'LL REMOVE THEM.

AND THEN WE PROCEED FROM THERE.

AND THE GENTLEMAN STATED THAT HE KNEW THAT IT WAS A MARIJUANA THING BECAUSE OF THE SMELL.

SO IF HE'D ACTED RIGHT AWAY AND CONTACTED THE CITY AND SAID, THERE'S AN ILLEGAL MARIJUANA THERE, UM, AND THEY'VE DONE SOME MODIFICATIONS TO THE BUILDING, WOULD YOU, UH, HELP ME IN, UH, SENDING THE STAFF OUT TO, UH, HELP ME GET THEM OUT OF THERE? WELL, THERE, THERE'S A LOT OF PROCESS IT NEEDS TO BE COMPLETED BEFORE WE CAN DO THAT.

THE REASON WE HAD ACCESS TO THIS ONE SO QUICKLY WAS BECAUSE OF THE, UH, INSPECTION THAT WAS, THAT OCCURRED.

THEY WERE ALLOWED THAT OUR INSPECTORS WERE ALLOWED TO GO ENTRY TO THE BUILDING AND THEY SAW THE MAG LOCKS.

THAT'S THE FIRST THING WE LOOK FOR SOMETIMES IN THESE THINGS.

AND THAT LED TO, UH, THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT FOR, TO SEEK THE TERMINATION OF THE METER AND HAVE THE METER PULLED BY SD GENIE.

AND WHEN THAT HAPPENED, UM, THEY INSTALLED GENERATORS AND THERE WAS A CALL FOR AN EMERGENCY RESPONSE.

I THINK OUR PD WAS THERE BECAUSE OF THE, IF I RECALL, THERE WAS A CALL, UH, UH, THEY CAME IN OVER NINE ONE ONE.

AND THEY, UH, EITHER RESPONDED TO THAT OR, UM, RESPONDED FOR SOME OTHER REASON.

THEY CALLED THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.

THEY WERE CALLED AS WELL.

THEY SHOWED UP AND, AND UH, TOOK THE TWO INDIVIDUALS WHO WERE SICK AND TREATED THEM.

ONE IS MR. MCCORMICK SAID, OR MR GUEVARA SAID RATHER WAS TRANSPORTED TO THE HOSPITAL AND, UH, IT WAS IN SERIOUS CONDITION FOR A WHILE.

UM, BUT WE DON'T GET ACCESS TO THAT WITHOUT PERMISSION OF THE TENANT OR THE PROPERTY OWNER.

UH, IF THERE IS NO TENANT, THEN THE PROPERTY OWNER CAN ALWAYS GIVE US ACCESS.

BUT OTHERWISE WE'D HAVE TO GET AN INSPECTION WARRANT FROM THE COURT JUST LIKE A POLICE DEPARTMENT WOULD NEED A SEARCH WARRANT FOR, FOR SEARCHING FOR ILLEGAL ACTIVITIES.

BUT AS THE GENTLEMAN STATED, HE WAS A PROPERTY OWNER AND HE COULD HAVE CALLED THE CITY AND ASKED THEM TO GO IN AND CHECK IT OUT SINCE HE KNEW IT WAS AN ILLEGAL ACT.

WELL, I THINK IT'S A LITTLE MORE DIFFICULT THAN THAT.

EVEN AS THE PROPERTY OWNER, UH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT HIS LEASE TERM SAYS.

IF HIS LEASE HAD ALLOWED HIM IMMEDIATE ACCESS, HE COULD HAVE HAD ACCESS HIMSELF.

I, I DON'T KNOW, BUT FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, WE NEED TO HAVE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE IN POSSESSION OF THE PROPERTY IN THIS, IN THIS CASE, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN THE TENANT, UH, TO ALLOW US ACCESS TO, TO INSPECT THE PROPERTY.

AND IN FACT THAT WAS ALLOWED WHEN THEY WALKED IN AND OUR BUILDING OFFICIALS OR ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS, UH, UH, CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS FROM THE PLANNING DIVISION WENT IN AND INSPECTED AND SAW THAT IT WAS AN ILLEGAL ACTIVITY.

THANK YOU.

UH, SIR, WHAT'S THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE BUILDING AND HOW MUCH WAS THE SALE PRICE? WELL, WE PROPOSED SALE PRICE.

WE WERE ATTEMPTING TO SELL FOR $700,000.

THE BUILDING IS RIGHT AT 4,000 FEET.

UH, IT HAS A PARKING LOT IN THE REAR.

THE LOT SIZE I DON'T HAVE MEMORIZED.

I BELIEVE THE LOT IS 12,000 OR 13,000.

IT HAS THE ALLEY AXIS ON THE REAR.

IT HAS, IT SHOULD HAVE PARKING ON THE FRONT THAT THERE'S NEVER ANY PARKING IN THE FRONT.

ESPECIALLY SINCE THE TWO HOUR PARKING SIGNS CAME DOWN.

NOTHING EVER MOVES OUT FRONT.

HAVE YOU ATTENDED AS I HAD BEEN LISTED BY YOU BEFORE THAT BUILDING? NO.

DID THEY JUST CAME TO YOU? THEY APPROACHED US, YES.

ACTUALLY WE'VE BEEN APPROACHED TWICE.

ONE WAS BY THE NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR JOE'S TIRES.

AND BY THESE GENTLEMEN, WHAT WAS THE OFFER FROM JOE'S TIRES? UH, I BELIEVE THEY WANTED TO GIVE A 600 WE WANTED SEVEN 50.

WE'VE HAD FRICTION WITH HIM IN THE PAST.

I WASN'T REALLY WANTING TO SELL TO THEM, SO WE JUST, WE WALKED AWAY FROM THAT DEAL.

OKAY.

WELL IN MY OPINION, YOU CAME OUT PRETTY WELL BECAUSE IF THAT GUY WOULD'VE DIED ON YOUR PROPERTY, THAT WOULD HAVE CAUSED ALL SORTS OF PROBLEMS FOR YOU.

IN LAWSUITS.

MR KENDRICK GETS WORSE THAN THAT.

WHAT THEY DID TO PUT IN THAT GENERATOR AND THE JURY RIGGING THEY DID WITH AN EXTENSION CORD WAS A RECIPE FOR A FIRE.

WHEN I SAW IT, I WAS DUMBFOUNDED.

I HAVE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING DUMBER IN MY LIFE.

THANK YOU.

ONE LAST QUESTION.

I WANT TO MOVE THIS ALONG.

UM, DO YOU HAVE OTHER PROPERTIES THAT YOU OWN IN ALCOHOL? YES.

I HAVE SEVEN 99 OKLAHOMA BOULEVARD, THE CORNER OF WILSON AND OKLAHOMA BOULEVARD.

IT'S CURRENTLY OCCUPIED BY GI JOES.

I DON'T NEED IT JUST TO HAVE HOW MANY PROPERTIES YOU OWN IN TOWN.

THOSE TWO IN GI JOE'S HAS GIVEN ME NOTICE.

HE'S LEAVING IN MARCH.

HE CAN'T DEAL WITH THE HOMELESS ANYMORE.

HAVE YOU? UH, HAVE YOU EVER HAD OTHER PROBLEMS WITH MARIJUANA? DISPENSARY'S NO, I'VE NEVER BEEN INVOLVED WITH.

ALL RIGHT.

THAT KIND OF THING HERE I'M GOING TO HAVE, I'M GOING TO HAVE YOU GO AHEAD AND SEND HIM AND SEE IF THERE'S ANY, ANY OTHER PEOPLE WANT TO SPEAK

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AND THEN, UM, WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT IT AND THE COUNCIL.

UH, WE MAY CALL YOU BACK UP IF THERE'S MORE QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, SIR.

ANY OTHER SPEAKERS? NO SIR.

I MAKE A MOTION THAT CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING.

ONE SECOND, PLEASE.

VOTE.

MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.

ALL RIGHT.

IT COMES BACK TO COUNCIL.

I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND START IF YOU DON'T MIND.

UH, IT MAY SURPRISE YOU.

THE CAST SURPRISES ME THAT I'M GOING TO ADVOCATE FOR WIPING UP THE FINE.

I THINK THAT HE IS, I'M GOING TO PAY A LOT FOR THIS.

I THINK HE'S A GOOD CITIZEN.

I THINK HE WAS DUPED.

I DON'T THINK HE'S THE PERSON THAT INTENDED TO CAUSE US PROBLEM AND WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND GET MONEY IN, UH, IN OTHER WAYS TO COVER OUR COSTS.

I DON'T THINK I AGREE WITH HIM.

I DON'T THINK THE COSTS ARE REPRESENTATIVE OF WHAT THEY REALLY WOULD COST.

SO IT'S, AND, AND I WANT TO SAY THERE WAS WITH THE CAVEAT THAT WHEN HE WALKED UP, MY, MY INTENTION WAS I'M SO FRUSTRATED WITH THESE MARIJUANA DISPENSARIES THAT I WANT TO, I WANT TO HIT THEM WITH EVERYTHING WE GOT.

EVERYBODY'S INVOLVED.

BUT LIKE IT IS SO OFTEN IN REAL LIFE YOU PEOPLE COME UP AND THERE'S EXTENUATING CIRCUMSTANCES AND, AND YOU GET TO KNOW PEOPLE AND YOU REALIZE THAT IT'S NOT ALWAYS AS CUT AND DRY AS IT MIGHT APPEAR.

SO THAT'S MY RECOMMENDATION.

UM, I W I HAD TO SIT BACK AND LISTEN TO WHAT YOU GENTLEMEN HAVE TO SAY.

LET'S JUST GO DOWN THE LINE, GARY.

WELL, I FEEL ABOUT THE DISPENSARY JUST AS YOU DO, MR MAYOR.

I, THEY'RE JUST, UH, UH, BEING ON THIS COMMUNITY, UH, WE HAVE ALL SORTS OF TROUBLE WITH THEM.

SOMEONE IN THIS CASE, THEY CARE.

IT'S A LITTLE FURTHER EMPLOYEES.

THEY HAD ONE, IT ALMOST DIED.

AND, UH, I, I HAVE A QUESTION WITH YOUR PERMISSION, UH, TO MORGAN NOW THAT HE'S GOT THE $2,500 A DAY FINES FOR BEING THE OWNER OF A PROPERTY THAT HAD AN ILLEGAL ACTIVITY, RIGHT? YES.

THAT'S, EXCUSE ME.

THAT'S CORRECT.

BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT'S BEFORE YOU TODAY.

WELL, YEAH, BUT THAT'S NEGOTIABLE AT SOME LATER POINT, RIGHT? YES.

THAT IS, THAT, THAT HASN'T BEFORE YOU, WHAT IS HERE IS, IS COST RECOVERY, IS, IS ACTUAL COST OUT OF POCKET COST TO THE CITY TO DO THIS WORK? WELL, I THINK YOU TOOK IN $20,000 OF, UH, INCOME THAT YOU PROBABLY WOULDN'T HAD OTHERWISE IN RENT, WHICH IS ASTRONOMICAL FOR, FOR THAT AREA.

OKAY.

THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES IT'S TOO GOOD BE TRUE.

IT'S NOT TRUE.

IT'S SOMETHING BAD GOING ON.

AND I DO WANT TO SEND A MESSAGE TO THE OTHER LANDLORDS IN THE COMMUNITY THAT WANT TO LOOK THE OTHER WAY WHILE WE HAVE THESE MARIJUANA DISPENSARIES OPEN UP.

UH, I THINK D DISPENSARY'S A PROFIT FROM THE SUFFERING OF OTHERS AND IT'S, UH, UM, KIND OF SICKENS ME WHAT THEY DO, UH, TO THEIR EMPLOYEES AND THEY PUT THEM IN SUCH INCREDIBLE DANGER.

SO, UH, UH, I DON'T THINK THE TAXPAYERS SHOULD PAY, UH, FOR THE, UH, EXPENSES THAT THEY'VE CREATED FOR THE CITY.

AND I CAN'T KNOW A GOOD CONSCIENCE, UH, AS A TAX PAYERS TO PAY THAT $6,600.

SO ON THE, ON THE OTHER FINES, WHICH WILL COME LATER, THAT MAY BE A DIFFERENT STORY.

SO, UH, I, I THINK WE NEED TO CLICK $6,600.

I AGREE.

AND WE'LL ADDRESS THE, UM, FINES LATER AT A DIFFERENT DATE.

UH, I WOULDN'T BE, UH, IN FAVOR OF REDUCING ALL OF THEM, BUT I WOULD POSSIBLY COMPROMISE AT SOME POINT.

OKAY.

I WOULD CONSIDER, UM, A PAYMENT PLAN, LIKE SIX MONTH PAYMENT PLAN ON THAT.

I WOULDN'T WAIVE IT.

BUT TO HELP YOU ALLEVIATE, I KNOW YOU'RE GOING THROUGH A FEW OTHER LAWSUITS.

THE , THE ADA ONE IS A COMPLETE LOSS.

THAT ONE'S SUCKS.

BEEN THROUGH THOSE.

UM, BUT I WOULD DO A PAYMENT PLAN SOME SIX MONTHS OR SOMETHING.

AND THEN YOU WOULDN'T FEEL IT AS MUCH.

BUT UH, YEAH, I AGREE WITH GARY.

WE ARE THE WATCHDOG OF THE PEOPLE'S RESOURCES, WHICH IS TIME.

AND UH, IN THIS CASE, THIS ITEM IS ABOUT COST RECOVERY TO ENFORCE SOMETHING.

AND I AGREE.

UH, WE OWE THE TAX PAYERS TO RECOVER THE COST OF ENFORCING ILLEGAL ACTIVITY, UH, TIME FOR, UH, UH, CONSIDERATION.

I THINK COMES MORE ON A LATER ITEM, WHICH WOULD BE THE CIVIL PENALTIES

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ITEM.

UH, THE CIVIL PENALTIES REALLY MORE ARE A PUNITIVE TYPE OF, UH, WELL THEY COULD BE A PUNITIVE TYPE ARRANGEMENT.

AND SO I DON'T FIND THAT YOU HAD ANY MALICE INTENT TRYING TO SCAM THE PEOPLE OF ALCOHOL.

SO IN THAT SENSE, THE PUNITIVE PLACES WHERE I THINK WE SHOULD MAKE OUR, UH, UH, ADJUSTMENTS.

BUT IN THIS CASE, FOR THE ITEM, THE FOREST COST RECOVERY TO ENFORCE AN ILLEGAL ACTIVITY, I CAN'T ASK THE PEOPLE OF EL CO TO SAY TO THE PEOPLE OF EL CAHONE, WE'RE GONNA ABSORB THIS ONE.

HE'S GOING TO KEEP ALL OF HIS RENTS.

SO I WOULD AGREE THAT WE SHOULD RECOVER THE FULL $6,600.

STAFF HAS SAID COST AND TIME.

AND A LATER TIME FOR UH, UH, ADJUSTING ANY PUNITIVE, UM, AMOUNTS.

WELL, ANYWAY, ONE OF THE SKUS.

A COMPROMISE 600.

NO, YOU WOULDN'T, YOU WANT THE SYSTEM? YES.

ALL RIGHT.

WELL THAT SOUNDS LIKE COUNCIL HAS MADE UP THEIR MINDS.

IT'S NOT.

WE'LL HAVE TO MAKE A MOTION.

MOVE TO A HALF STAFF COLLECT THE 66, 1695 WITHIN 90 DAYS.

THE SECOND MOON.

SECOND THAT PLEASE VOTE.

MOTION CARRIES BY A THREE TWO VOTE WITH MAYOR WELLS AND COUNCIL MEMBER COLLAGE OF VOTING.

NO.

UM, JUST TO CLEAN UP A LITTLE BIT.

UM, UH, I THINK IT WAS BAD.

TALKED ABOUT A PAYMENT PLAN.

IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD DEAL WITH HERE AT THIS LEVEL WHERE YOU DEAL WITH THAT THE STAFF LEVEL? OH, THE MOTION WAS TO PAY WITHIN 90 DAYS.

SO IT WAS APPROVING THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION.

DOES IT MATTER? THAT MY, MY MISTAKE.

THANK YOU.

GOTTA SUPPORT IT NOW.

HMM.

I VOTED NO, BUT THAT'S OKAY.

I, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT MAKES THEM A GREAT DEMOCRACY.

YES IT DOES.

[9. City of El Cajon Complete Streets Policy RECOMMENDATION: That the City Council adopts the next Resolution, in order, to establish a Complete Streets Policy. The Complete Streets Policy will establish guiding principles and practices so that transportation improvements are planned, designed, constructed, operated, and maintained, in order to encourage walking, bicycling, and transit use while promoting safe operations for all users.]

ALRIGHT, ITEM NINE IS FOR THE CITY OF EL CAHONE COMPLETE STREETS POLICY.

I'LL ASK STAFF TO TELL.

TELL US ABOUT THIS ITEM.

CITY COUNCIL IS MY PLEASURE TO BRING THIS ITEM BEFORE YOU THIS AFTERNOON.

UH, I'M GOING TO KEEP THIS BRIEF AND SHORT, BUT BASICALLY WHAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU IS A COMPLETE STREETS POLICY.

THIS IS A, THIS IS PUTTING INTO PRACTICE SOMETHING THAT WE'VE ALREADY BEEN DOING.

UH, WE, WE GO OUT THERE AND TRY TO BUILD AND CONSTRUCT AND DESIGN AND PLAN THE BEST STREETS POSSIBLE.

AND WHAT WE TRY TO DO IS, IS LOOK FOR THE BEST WAY, UM, TO HAVE BETTER MOBILITY FOR ALL USERS TO REDUCE GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS AND TO REDUCE MAINTENANCE COSTS.

AND SO, UM, WHAT IS A GREEN STREET OR A, A COMPLETE STREET, RIGHT? WHAT IS, WHAT IS A COMPLETE STREET AND WHAT DOES IT ENTAIL? I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU A PHOTO HERE.

THIS IS OUR DOWNTOWN AND MAIN STREET IS A COMPLETE STREET.

IT PROVIDES MOBILITY FOR ALL DIFFERENT TYPES OF USERS, VEHICLES, BICYCLES, PEDESTRIANS, UH, THOSE WHO HAVE DISABILITIES.

UH, IT REALLY TAKES A HOLISTIC VIEW AT EVERYTHING.

AND THE REASON WHY WE'RE BRINGING THIS TYPE OF POLICY, BECAUSE YOU MAY ASK, WELL, WHY ARE WE PUTTING DOWN A POLICY? WOULDN'T WE'RE ALREADY DOING THIS IN PRACTICE IN MANY, MANY INSTANCES.

UM, IT'S BECAUSE IT COMES DOWN TO US BEING ELIGIBLE FOR GRANT FUNDS.

AND SO BY US HAVING THIS POLICY ADOPTED, IT ALLOWS US TO BE ELIGIBLE TO RECEIVE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS.

IN FACT, LAST YEAR WE RECEIVED, UH, ABOUT $5 MILLION IN GRANT FUNDS CONTINGENT UPON US ADOPTING THIS POLICY.

SO THOSE, UH, THOSE SMART GROWTH GRANT FUNDS, UM, THERE IS A LITTLE CONTINGENCY ON THAT.

AND SO THAT'S WHY WE BROUGHT THIS TODAY.

UM, HERE'S AN EXAMPLE OF AN INCOMPLETE STREET, RIGHT? UH, THERE'S NOT REALLY A PLACE FOR THAT, A STUDENT TO BE RUNNING ACROSS THE STREET THERE.

UH, IT CAN BE AREAS WHERE THERE'S NOT ENOUGH ON STREET PARKING FOR VEHICLES.

SO A COMPLETE STREET, ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF AN INCOMPLETE STREET, UM, THIS IS TAKING THAT STREET AND MAKING IT A MORE COMPLETE STREET.

YOU SEE IN THIS CROSS SECTION, THIS HAPPENS TO BE WASHINGTON AVENUE.

UH, WE HAVE, UH, TRAVEL WASTE FOR VEHICLES, FOR BICYCLISTS AND FOR PEDESTRIANS ON THE SIDEWALK AND FOR, UH, VEHICLES TO PARK, WHICH IS STILL IMPORTANT.

SO ACCOMMODATING EVERYBODY HERE IS, UM, AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT WE WANT TO TURN.

THIS IS THE GRANT FUNDS THAT WE ARE THAT ARE ON THE CHOPPING BLOCK HERE ESSENTIALLY.

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UM, BUT, UH, WITH THIS PASSAGE, WE WOULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR THESE FUNDS TURNING THIS ON OAKLAWN BOULEVARD AND TO THIS STILL ALLOWING FOR VEHICLES TO DRIVE DOWN IT, BUT ALSO ADDING THE PLACE, MAKING THE SPACE FOR PEDESTRIANS AND BICYCLISTS AND ADDING THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT FRANKLY WE DON'T HAVE OUT THERE.

NOW, THIS IS A GREAT WAY TO BRING IN ADDITIONAL FUNDS AT NO ADDITIONAL COSTS TO THE RESIDENTS OF OKLAHOMA.

US BEING ELIGIBLE FOR THESE GRANT FUNDS IS AMAZING BECAUSE IT GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY TO BUILD THESE THINGS AT NO COST OR SOMETIMES THERE IS A MATCH FOR SOME OF THESE GRANT FUNDS.

SO AT LITTLE COST, THESE VERY SMALL PERCENTAGE.

SO WITH THAT IN MIND, I WOULD PROPOSE THAT, UH, YOU CONSIDER THE RECOMMENDATION BEFORE YOU TODAY WITH THIS COMPLETE STREETS POLICY, UH, ADOPTION AND WE MOVE FORWARD FROM THERE.

THANKS.

EXCELLENT.

DIRK, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

UM, ARE THERE ANY SPIRIT CARDS FOR THIS ITEM? NO SIR.

NO CARDS.

ALL RIGHT.

THEN IT JUST BRINGS ABOUT THE COUNCIL.

DO WE HAVE ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS? SEEMS LIKE A NO BRAINERS LOOK LIKE A GOOD THING TO DO AND DIRK MADE IT FUN AND INTERESTING.

SO YEAH, I, I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA.

I'M REALLY IMPRESSED WITH THE RENDERING OF OKLAHOMA BOULEVARD.

WOULD, IT WOULD, IT COULD BE, UH, IT'S WALKABLE.

THEY GET THE, YOU KNOW, BIKE LANES.

UH, IT'S MAKES IT A LOT EASIER FOR PEOPLE IN THE WHEELCHAIR TO MOVE AROUND.

SO, UH, I THINK IT'S GREAT CAUSE I'M ALL FOR IT.

BOB.

I THINK THAT, UH, CARS, PEOPLE IN CARS PROBABLY, UH, ARE PROBABLY 90% OF THE TRAFFIC.

AND, UH, I HATE TO SEE AS MINIMIZING THE OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE TO DRIVE AND CAUSE MORE TRAFFIC FLOW PROBLEMS AND WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE.

AND, UM, SO I, I WOULD IN IN, UM, ENCOURAGE STAFF TO NOT CAUSE MORE TRAFFIC PROBLEMS BY MINIMIZING THE TRAFFIC FLOW THAT WE ALREADY HAVE BY PUTTING IN BICYCLE LANES WHERE MAYBE CARS USED TO BE BEFORE AND, UH, THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC WOULD BE LIMITED BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT THEY WOULDN'T HAVE THE LANES THAT THEY HAD BEFORE.

SO I'M, I'M JUST AFRAID OF THIS, SO I WOULD, UH, UM, I'M NOT SURE THAT THIS IS GOING TO WORK, UM, IN A POSITIVE WAY FOR OUR CITIZENS IF WE MINIMIZE TOO MANY OF THE TRAFFIC LANES.

AND, UH, WHAT IS YOUR, UM, HOW DO YOU ADDRESS THAT? MR MCCLELLAN? THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION.

WE DO TAKE ALL MODES OF TRANSPORTATION AND CONSIDERATION AND IN MANY INSTANCES, ESPECIALLY IN LIKE I SHOWED YOU IN THAT THAT IMAGE, THERE'S EXCESSIVELY WIDE LANES, UM, USING MORE NARROW LANES, UH, CREATING SAFER INTERSECTIONS DOESN'T NECESSARILY, AND IN MOST CASES DOES NOT HARM THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC.

WE'RE MAXIMIZING THE USE OF THE REAL ESTATE THAT WE HAVE ALREADY TO BEAUTIFY IT AND TO ADD ADDITIONAL AMENITIES FOR OUR RESIDENTS.

SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS MAXIMIZE WHAT WE HAVE, UH, AS SOMEONE WHO HAS TO MAINTAIN ALL THE ASPHALT AS WELL.

SOMETIMES NARROWING THOSE LANES DOWN A LITTLE BIT, THAT'S GOING TO SAVE THE CITY A LOT OF MONEY IN THE LONGTERM.

IF I REMOVE JUST A FOOT DOWN THE SIDE OF, OF ONE LENGTH OF STREET, THAT'S ONE FOOT TIMES THOUSANDS OF FEET OF ASPHALT THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO MAINTAIN IN PERPETUITY, WHICH DOES HAVE TO BE MAINTAINED OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

THAT BLACK ASPHALT ALSO SUCKS IN HEAT CREATING, UH, MAKING IT HOTTER IN OUR ENVIRONMENT.

SO I KNOW I'M KIND OF GETTING INTO SOME OF THESE PHILOSOPHICAL THINGS, BUT THE END RESULT AND OUR GOAL IS TO CONTINUE TO PROVIDE MOBILITY FOR THE VEHICLES WHILE ALSO ADDING ADDITIONAL AMENITIES FOR OUR RESIDENTS.

BUT I WOULD RATHER, I WOULD REC SAY THAT PROBABLY 90% OF THE MOBILITY IS THROUGH THE USE OF THE AUTOMOBILE STILL AS WE SPEAK TODAY.

AND, UH, TO NARROW THE LANES DOWN TOO MUCH OR TO TAKE OUT LANES.

LIKE, I REMEMBER WHEN WE DID WASHINGTON, WHEN I WAS ON THE COUNCIL A FEW YEARS BACK AND WE MADE IT, UH, FOUR LANES AND, UH, MAKING IT THREE LANES NOW BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT, UH, BICYCLE LANES AND OTHER THINGS ARE GOING TO BE PUT

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IN THERE.

UM, I BEEN ON WASHINGTON AND I BACKED UP, UH, WHERE BOTH LANES ARE FULL OF CARS, EIGHT, 10 CARS IN A ROW.

AND, UM, IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO NARROW STREETS LIKE WASHINGTON TO THREE LANES INSTEAD OF FOUR LANES.

AND THEN YOU'LL HAVE PEOPLE WAITING FOR TWO OR THREE LIGHTS, UH, BEFORE THEY CAN MOVE THROUGH AN INTERSECTION, LIGHT CHANGES THAT IS, AND, UH, I THINK THAT WHERE WE'D HAVE A LOT MORE TRAFFIC PROBLEMS IF WE CUT DOWN TOO MANY OF THESE STREETS FROM FOUR LANES, THREE LANES, OR, AND, UH, PUT IN TOO MANY BICYCLE LANES BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT I THINK 90% OF THE MOBILITY IS STILL AN AUTOMOBILES.

WHEN THAT CHANGES, UH, THAT WOULD BE A GOOD TIME TO DO THAT.

BUT IN TODAY'S WORLD, I THINK PEOPLE ARE NOT GETTING OUT OF THEIR CARS.

IT'S JUST LIKE THE, UH, UH, MASS TRANSIT, ABOUT 3% OF THE PEOPLE WHO RIDE MASS TRANSIT.

WELL, THEY GET A THIRD OF THE MONEY FOR THE UM, UH, ROAD TAXES.

I THINK THAT'S A LITTLE OFF KILTER AND UH, I THINK THAT'S WAY OUT OF BOUNDS AND UH, WE SHOULD WATCH WHAT WE DO IN OUR CITY ABOUT PUTTING IN TOO MANY THINGS THAT LIMIT PASSENGER CARS, UH, MOVING PEOPLE BECAUSE EVERY TIME YOU STAND IN A, UH, TRAFFIC LIGHT FOR THREE OR FOUR MINUTES OR MAYBE TWO OR THREE CHANGES TO THE LIGHT, UH, YOU'RE PUTTING EXTRAS, UH, GASES INTO THE ATMOSPHERE, CREATING MORE OF A CARBON FOR EL CAHONE AS THEY'RE TRYING TO ELIMINATE IN THE U S THEY SAY.

BUT UM, SO THESE ALL CAR CAUSED PROBLEMS WHEN YOUR LIMIT THE STREETS SIZE AND EVERYTHING TOO MUCH.

MR MCCLELLAN.

I'LL JUST COMMENT ON THAT REALLY QUICKLY.

I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT IF WE WERE A CITY WITH NO DEVELOPMENT WHATSOEVER, SOME OF THE TIMES THESE POLICIES ARE REALLY EASY TO IMPLEMENT BECAUSE YOU CAN BUILD ROADS TO THEIR, A CORRECT WIDTH.

BUT WE'RE A BUILT OUT CITY FOR THE MOST PART.

SO A LOT OF THIS IS, IS TRYING TO ACCOMMODATE AS MANY MOSES TRANSPORTATION IN THAT, THAT RIGHT AWAY THAT WE HAVE, KNOWING THAT WE DON'T HAVE MONEY TO EXPAND THE RIGHT AWAY THROUGH EMINENT DOMAIN, ALL THOSE OTHER TOOLS.

SO WHENEVER THESE PROJECTS OR OPPORTUNITIES COME UP, THERE WILL BE AN ANALYSIS.

AND CLEARLY IF, UM, THE GOAL IS TO PUT IN BIKE LANES, BUT DOING SO WOULD CREATE, UH, AN ALREADY BAD INTERSECTION AND MAKE IT A FAILING INTERSECTION, THEN THOSE THINGS WILL BE CONSIDERED AS PART OF THE POLICY.

SO IT'S NOT JUST TAKING THIS POLICY AND OVERNIGHT OR OVER EVEN A FEW YEARS JUST BLANKETLY SAYING THIS WILL APPLY TO EVERY STREET.

THERE IS SOME PROCESS THAT GOES INTO ANALYZING EACH SEGMENT THAT'S BROUGHT FORWARD AND THE COUNCIL WILL HAVE THAT CHANCE TO, TO ANALYZE THAT SPECIFIC SEGMENT AND GO, YOU KNOW WHAT, IN THIS CASE, MAYBE THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO APPLIERS OUR SMART POLICY HERE.

UM, BECAUSE OF THE IMPACT IT WILL HAVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT THAT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT EVERY STREET INDIVIDUALLY IN THE CONTEXT OF THE POLICY, BUT ALSO IN THE CONTEXT OF WHO'S USING IT TODAY AND WHAT, WHAT KIND OF IMPACT WILL OCCUR IF WE WERE TO NARROW A LANE OR TWO, ELIMINATE A LANE? WELL, I THINK THAT'S THE CASE ON WASHINGTON BECAUSE I REMEMBER WHEN WE PUT IT IN, AND I'VE TRAVELED WASHINGTON MANY TIMES BECAUSE I LIVE ON THE EAST END OF THE CITY.

UM, I USED TO LIVE IN THE COUNTY OUT THAT WAY AND WE TRY BACK AND FORTH TO FREEWAY GOING UP WASHINGTON BECAUSE IT WAS A LOT EASIER THAN JUST GOING DOWN TO SECOND STREET AND GETTING ON THE FREEWAY.

SO, UM, I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC GOING OUT EAST USING WASHINGTON AND USING CHASE.

AND I HATE TO SEE THAT WE'RE GONNA MINIMIZE THE LANES OF THOSE BECAUSE THERE'LL BE A LOT OF TRAFFIC BACKED UP.

I'VE BEEN ON HIM, HIM AND THE RECENT TIMES AND THERE IS A LOT OF TRAFFIC OUT IN THOSE AREAS, UH, ON THE STREETS.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN SUPPORT THIS.

YUP.

BOB, I UNDER YOU UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERN ABOUT WASHINGTON AND CHASE.

UM, I DO TRUST THE STAFF'S, UH, JUDGMENT THAT THEY END AT THE FACT THAT WE GET TO LOOK AT THIS AGAIN AND HAVE A CASE BY CASE BASIS.

YOU KNOW, IT KIND OF ALLEVIATES SOME OF MY CONCERNS, BUT IF WE TAKE A LOOK AT, UH, THE OKLAHOMA BOULEVARD CORRIDOR AND THE, UH, MARSHALL CORRIDOR, THAT'S THE AIRWAY.

IF YOU RECALL, WE JUST CHANGED THE DESIGNING ON TO MAKE IT MORE, UM, RESIDENTIAL SO YOU HAVE RESIDENTIAL UP ON TOP AND SOME COMMERCIAL DOWN BELOW AND MAKE IT VERY WALKABLE.

UH, IT REMINDS ME A LOT OF, UH, CULVER BOULEVARD AND CULVER CITY.

I WENT THERE

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A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO TO VISIT MY SON AND THERE WAS A LOT OF TRAFFIC GOING ON THERE, BUT THEY ALSO HAVE, IT'S, IT'S ALSO VERY, UH, PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY.

LOTS OF PEOPLE DOWN THERE.

AND, AND AS WE GET MORE PEOPLE LIVING, LET'S SAY IN CONDOS OR APARTMENTS ON A ELKHORN BOULEVARD WHEN IT'S COMPLETELY REDEVELOPED, UH, IT'D BE NICE TO KEEP THEM A UNIT TO HAVE THEM WALK TO SOME OF THE BUSINESSES AND HOPE, MAYBE CAFES AND AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO, UH, AND I DON'T WANT TO LEAVE ANY MONEY ON A TABLE EITHER.

SO, UH, I JUST TRUST THE JUDGMENT OF THE, OF THE STAFF WHO ARE EXPERTS AND INTERESTED JUDGMENT OF THE CITY COUNCIL IN THE, IN THE FUTURE TO, UH, TAKE A LOOK AT THESE THINGS AND SEE IT.

THIS MAY NOT BE APPROPRIATE ON WASHINGTON STREET.

THAT WOULD BE ONE THAT I WOULD THINK, WELL, WAIT A MINUTE, THAT'S, THERE'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC ON WASHINGTON AND IT'S NOT THAT WIDE, BUT ELK HOME IS REALLY, REALLY WIDE.

AND THEN ON MARSHALL AVENUE, ALL THAT STUFF EVENTUALLY IS GOING TO BE TAKEN OUT.

THERE'S SUCH A DEMAND FOR RESIDENTIAL RATE NOW AND WE CAN HAVE, YOU KNOW, FOUR OR FIVE STORY BUILDINGS AND A NICE WALKABLE COMMUNITY AND CAFES AND, UH, PROBABLY A LOT OF STUDENTS, UH, GET ON THE TROLLEY TO SAN DIEGO STATE.

SO, UH, I THINK THIS IS, UH, A GOOD WAY TO GO TO THE FUTURE AND IT'S FLEXIBLE JUST SO WE LOOK AT IT AS A CASE BY CASE BASIS AND, UH, WE CAN MAKE THOSE DECISIONS AT THAT TIME AND, BUT I JUST WANT STAY AFTER, REMEMBER THAT THERE'S PROBABLY 90% OF THE TRAFFICS IN AUTOMOBILES YET.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? OKAY, SURE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

UM, OKAY.

ACTUALLY WE'VE GONE THROUGH THAT, SO WE ARE, IT'S BACK TO US AS SOMEBODY WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION.

OH, MOVE ADOPTION.

MOVING.

SECONDED.

PLEASE VOTE.

MOTION CARRIES BY A FOUR ONE VOTE WITH COUNCIL MEMBER MCCLELLAN VOTING? NO,

[10. Amended and Restated Wastewater Disposal Agreement RECOMMENDATION: That the City Council adopts the next Resolution, in order, to: Approve the Amended and Restated Wastewater Disposal Agreement; and Authorize the Mayor to Sign the Agreement.]

I AM 10.

OKAY.

IT'S FOR AMENDED AND RESTATED WATER WASTEWATER DISPOSAL AGREEMENT STAFF.

WOULD YOU TELL US ABOUT THIS PLEASE? YES, ABSOLUTELY.

UM, FIRST OF ALL, I WANNA THANK UH, SCOTT TOLAC AND JERRY JONES, COUNCIL MEMBER J JONES FROM LEMON GROVE FOR, UH, HE'S ALSO ACTING AS THE METRO CHAIR.

HE'S HERE TODAY TO SUPPORT, UM, OR THEY'RE BOTH HERE TODAY TO SUPPORT THIS IN, IN CASE YOU HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS AFTER MY PRESENTATION.

BUT I JUST WANTED TO THANK THEM FOR WAITING AND, AND BEING PATIENT AND APPRECIATE THAT.

SO THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE AND SUPPORTING THIS.

AND, UH, I ALSO WANTED TO THANK, UM, OUR CITY ENGINEER, YASMIN ADIANO FOR ALL OF HER SUPPORT AND HELPING PREPARE THIS ITEM, UH, THE AMENDED AND RESTATED WASTEWATER DISPOSAL AGREEMENT WITH OUR WASTEWATER JPA.

THAT'S METRO JPA.

UM, I'M GONNA ATTEMPT TO KIND OF WALK US THROUGH HERE SO THAT WE CAN UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT IS GOING ON.

WHY DO WE NEED AN AMENDMENT TO THE, UH, TO THE AGREEMENT.

AND SO, UM, I'LL, I'LL KIND OF WALK US THROUGH A LITTLE BIT.

UM, THE NEW AGREEMENT, IT BASICALLY THE, WE TOGETHER WITH THE PARTICIPATING AGENCIES ARE TRYING TO LIMIT COSTS IN THE FUTURE OF TREATING OUR SEWAGE IS WHAT IT COMES DOWN TO.

AND WE'RE TRYING TO GET WHAT'S IN THE BEST INTEREST OF OKON RESIDENTS.

SO WHEN I SAY PARTICIPATE IN AGENCIES, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? WHEN WE HEAR THAT WORD TOSSED AROUND? IT'S, IT'S OUR BROTHERS IN ARMS IN THE METRO JPA.

AND THESE ARE THE CITIES RIGHT HERE THAT ALL TRANSMIT SEWAGE DOWN TO POINT LOMA.

OKAY.

SO WE CAN KIND OF GET A VIEW THERE.

UM, THERE'S, THERE'S A FEW OUTLINE UNINCORPORATED AREAS OF THE COUNTY.

SO IF YOU TAKE LIKE WINTER GARDENS AND LAKESIDE, ALPINE AND EAST OTI AREA IN SPRING VALLEY, AREAS LIKE THAT, IF YOU COMBINE THAT ALL TOGETHER, UM, THAT'S ONE AGENCY.

THE COUNTY, UH, THE COUNTY PLUS EVERYBODY ELSE HAS 12 TOTAL PARTICIPATING AGENCIES.

OKAY.

AND IT ALL GOES DOWN TO POINT LOMA.

SO THIS IS THE POINT LOMA WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT.

IT TREATS ALL OF OUR WASTEWATER.

IT GOES ALL THE WAY DOWN THERE.

CAN YOU BELIEVE IT? AND ONCE IT GETS THERE, IT'S TREATED TO SOMETHING CALLED A, AN ADVANCED PRIMARY LEVEL.

SO WHEN YOU'RE TREATING WATER, YOU CAN PRIMARILY TREAT IT SECONDARILY AND, AND THERE'S A TERTIARY TREATMENT, UH, LEVEL AS WELL.

UM, BUT FOR THE MOST PART,

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THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA, THEY WANT WATER.

THEY SAY WELL WATER GOING OUT.

CAUSE AFTER THEY TREAT IT THEY PUMP IT OUT TO THE OCEAN AND WATER GOING OUT TO THE OCEAN NEEDS TO BE LIKE SECONDARY.

HOWEVER, THE CITY OF SAN DIEGO LONG, LONG TIME AGO GOT A WAIVER TO THAT THAT SAID WE YOU'RE ALLOWED TO TREAT IT TO ADVANCED PRIMARY, WHICH WAS PRETTY CLOSE TO SECONDARY.

HOWEVER, EVERY FIVE YEARS THIS WAIVER COMES UP.

AND SO THAT WAIVER'S BEEN THREATENED BY DIFFERENT GROUPS, BY THE COASTAL COMMISSION, ALL THESE THINGS.

AND SO THE CITY OF SAN DIEGO THAT BASICALLY THESE GROUPS ARE SAYING THIS WAIVER IS NOT GOING TO GO ON FOREVER.

WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHAT TO DO IN THE FUTURE.

SO CITY OF SAN DIEGO IS TRYING TO FIGURE ALL THIS OUT AND WHAT THEY'RE FIGURING OUT IS THAT THEY WANT TO TREAT SOME OF THIS WATER AND TURN IT INTO DRINKING WATER.

OKAY.

AND THAT PROGRAM IS CALLED PURE WATER.

SO BACK IN EL CAHONE WE HAVE TWO WAYS THAT THE SEWAGE LEAVES OUR CITY.

ONE IS THROUGH THE CITY OF LA MESA.

THAT'S THE ALVARADO TRUNK LINE AND TO THE NORTH, IT GOES THROUGH MISSION GORGE THROUGH SANTI THERE.

AND THAT'S LIKE 95% OF OUR FLOW GOES THAT DIRECTION.

THAT'S JUST KIND OF GIVE YOU A HEADS UP THAT THERE'S ONLY TWO OUTLETS FOR US AND THE MAJORITY OF IT GOES THROUGH THAT MISSION GORGE AVENUE.

SO BACK TO THE POINT LOMA WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT, AFTER IT ALL GOES DOWN THERE, THE ALVARADO LINE AND THE EMISSION GORGE LINE, THEY MEET UP AND SOMEHOW GET TO POINT LOMA HERE.

UM, SO THEY GOT TO CONVERT EITHER THIS ENTIRE PLANT TO SECONDARY TREATMENT AND PRAY THAT THEY CONTINUE TO GET WAIVERS, UH, IS THE OTHER OPTION.

SO THEY'RE TRYING TO DO THIS PURE WATER PROGRAM, PURE WATERS, THEY HAVE A PHASE ONE THAT'S 1.3 $8 BILLION.

AND THAT'S FOR BOTH THE WASTEWATER AND THE DRINKING WATER SIDE OF THINGS.

AND PHASE TWO, THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW YET.

WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? IT MEANS THAT OUR COST, BECAUSE THEY WANT US TO SHARE IN THIS COST, OUR COST TO TREAT OUR SEWAGE IS GOING TO GO UP.

THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.

AND SO AS PARTICIPATING AGENCIES, WE SAID, WELL, WHAT IF WE JUST CONVERTED SECONDARY, THIS PURE WATER THING? THAT'S YOUR GUYS' DREAM.

WHY SHOULD WE HAVE TO PAY FOR THAT? AND SO THIS AMENDED AGREEMENT STATES, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IT STATES IS WE AS PARTICIPATING AGENCIES WILL NEVER HAVE TO PAY MORE THAN THE COST TO UPGRADE POINT LOMA TREATMENT PLAN, WHICH IS ONE POINT $8 BILLION.

OKAY.

HOPEFULLY WE NEVER GET THERE, BUT IF AT SOME POINT THEY'RE COMMITTED TO DO THEIR PURE WATER AT 1.3 BILLION AND RISING FOR SECOND PHASE, AND IF THEY DON'T ACHIEVE A WAIVER, SAN DIEGO COULD BE ON THE HOOK FOR 1.8 BILLION PLUS 1.3 PLUS.

RIGHT? AND WHY WOULD WE WANT TO PAY A SHARE OF THAT? WHEN TO ACCOMMODATE WHAT YOU NEEDED AND TO SEE AND TO TREAT OUR FLOW.

REALLY, WE DON'T HAVE TO DO ONE POINT.

I KNOW I'M BORING YOU.

THIS IS, THIS IS LIKE CRAZY.

IT'S LATE.

I WISH YOU COULD GO ON AND ON.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

I'M, I'M, I'M TRYING TO KEEP IT LIVELY, RIGHT? I GOT, I GOT THE MOVEMENT ON THE THING AND ANYWAY, SO WE'RE, I, I KNOW, BUT IT'S LIKE WE GOT TO LIKE MAKE A DECISION HERE.

SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS SA IS AGREED TO, TO SIGN THIS AGREEMENT, THIS AMENDMENT.

UM, MOST OF THE OTHER PARTICIPATING AGENCIES HAVE ALREADY DONE THIS.

AND SO WHAT IT BOILS DOWN TO IS THE NEW AMENDMENT LIMITS COST TO A MAXIMUM ONE POINT $8 BILLION.

UM, AND WHAT THAT MEANS IS NO MATTER WHAT, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE KIND OF DARNED IF WE DO AND DARNED IF WE DON'T, COSTS ARE GOING TO GO UP.

IT MEANS RATES ARE GOING TO GO UP EVENTUALLY FOR OUR CITIZENS.

THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO, CAUSE WE HAVE TO PAY FOR THIS.

UM, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO MINIMIZE THIS.

UM, WE DON'T HAVE MANY OTHER OPTIONS, BUT WE'LL GET TO THAT.

THE ESTABLISHES FLOWS BASED ON 20, 50 PROJECTIONS.

IT ENSURES WASTEWATER CUSTOMERS THAT'S WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY DO NOT PAY FOR DRINKING WATER COSTS.

THAT'S WHAT'S IN THIS AGREEMENT THAT THERE'S A LINE DRAWN IN THAT EVERYTHING ON THE DRINKING WATER SIDE, THAT CITY OF SAN DIEGO RESIDENTS ARE GOING TO BENEFIT FROM THAT.

WE DON'T PAY FOR THAT AS WASTEWATER CUSTOMERS.

OKAY.

IT PROVIDES FOR REVENUE SHARING.

MAYBE WE'LL SEE.

UM, UH, BUT IF THERE EVER IS REVENUE THAT THIS SEWAGE PRODUCES IS A COMMODITY AT SOME POINT AND, AND THEY START MAKING A DOLLAR OFF IT.

THERE'S REVENUE SHARING IN THIS AGREEMENT.

SO IT'S SMART AND THEN ALLOWS FOR OTHER NON METRO FACILITIES TO OPERATE

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MEANING WATER PURIFICATION PROGRAMS. SO KIND OF THE WRAP THIS WHOLE THING UP, WHICH IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE'RE TALKING WITH PADRE DAM AND THE COUNTY ON OUR OWN SEPARATE ADVANCED WATER PURIFICATION.

UM, THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING KIND OF SEPARATE FROM THIS AGREEMENT, BUT IT ALLOWS FOR US TO ACTUALLY HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS AND IT ALLOWS US AN AN OFF RAMP AT SOME POINT.

SO, UM, THAT'S MY PRESENTATION TODAY AND WE'RE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

DID I GET IT? ALL RIGHT.

OKAY.

I GOT THE THUMBS UP.

NICELY DONE.

DARK QUESTIONS, BOB.

I UNDERSTAND WE'RE IN NO NEGOTIATION AND WE HAVE BEEN WITH PADRE DAM TO PURIFY OUR WATER.

UH, TO SOME EXTENT A PORTION OF IT.

UM, WHY ARE WE PAYING SO MUCH TO SAN DIEGO IF WE'RE GOING TO TAKE SOME OF THIS WATER AND PURIFY AT OURSELF AND NOT GO TO SAN DIEGO AT ALL? THAT'S AN EXCELLENT QUESTION.

AND UM, IT'S BECAUSE WE'RE PLAYING BOTH SIDES OF THE FIELD NOW WE HAVE TO REALLY LOOK AT WHAT'S BEST FOR THE RESIDENTS.

AND RIGHT NOW WE DON'T KNOW PADRE DAM IS GIVING US THEIR BEST GUESS AT NUMBERS, BUT AS WE CONTINUE TO REFINE THEM, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS EXACTLY WHERE WE NEED TO GO.

INDICATIONS SHOW US THAT IT IS GOING TO BE A GOOD DECISION, BUT BY ANY MEANS, AS I SHOWED IN THE PREVIOUS SLIDE HERE AND, AND THIS IS WHAT'S IMPORTANT, WE CAN NEVER FULLY GET OUT OF METRO THE METRO JPA AND THAT'S BECAUSE WE WILL ALWAYS HAVE THIS LOWER ARROW ON THE SCREEN OF A PORTION OF OUR FLOWS GOING TO METRO.

AND SO BECAUSE OF THAT, WE STILL HAVE A VESTED INTEREST.

WE STILL HAVE A FOOT IN THE DOOR AND WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO ACT IN GOOD FAITH.

ADDITIONALLY, IF THINGS DON'T GO ACCORDING TO PLAN WITH THE JPA THAT'S POTENTIALLY BEING FORMED.

OH, WITH PADRE AND THE COUNTY AND POTENTIALLY HELIX WATER, UH, WE, WE NEED TO CONSIDER ALL OF OUR CARDS AND WE CAN'T CLOSE THESE DOORS AT THAT TIME.

SO IT'S IN OUR THIS, THIS AGREEMENT.

IT DOESN'T HURT US TO, UH, APPROVE IT OR TO GO ALONG WITH IT BECAUSE ONE, WE STILL HAVE A PORTION OF OUR FLOW GOING THAT DIRECTION, BUT TOO, UH, THERE, THERE IS STILL A CHANCE THAT ALL OF OUR FLOW WILL BE GOING THAT DIRECTION AND WE DON'T WANT TO CLOSE THAT DOOR THIS TIME.

WELL, WOULDN'T, UH, YOU SAID ABOUT 10% GOES THROUGH LAMESA AND, UH, 90% GOES THROUGH MISSION GORGE.

DO WE HAVE TO SIGN THE AGREEMENT NOW CONSIDERING THE FACT THAT WE MAY HAVE A SEPARATE DEAL WITH PADRE THAT, UM, WE PAY FOR THAT AS WELL AS A 1.8 MILLION.

SO MR MCCLELLAN.

SO IF, IF WE WERE TO DETERMINE THAT THE, THE ADVANCED PURE WATER PROGRAM THROUGH PADRE DAM WAS MORE ECONOMICAL THAN ALL THAT, THAT 90% OF OUR CONTRIBUTION TOWARDS METRO WOULD GO AWAY.

AND WE WOULD SHIFT THAT TO PADRE.

SO OUR PORTION, WE WOULDN'T BE DOUBLE PAYING.

IN OTHER WORDS, WE WOULDN'T BE PAYING THE 1.8 BILLION PLUS THAT IS TOGETHER.

THAT IS CORRECT.

AND THAT'S NOT JUST PORTION, THE 1.8 BILLION THAT WOULD BE FOR THE COUNTY AND THAT 1.3 ACTUALLY DIVIDED AMONGST SEWER PAYERS AND EASE AND WATER RATE USERS.

AND THEN BASED ON THAT, IT'S, IT'S DIVIDED AMONGST ALL THE PARTICIPATING AGENCIES IN THE SEASON.

YOU KNOW, THERE YOU GO.

YEAH, YEAH.

RIGHT.

JUST, JUST FOR, FOR, FOR NUMBERS, UH, BEING THE ENGINEERED THAT I AM, UH, OUT OF THE 1.38, EIGHT, UH, BILLION THAT PURE WATER IS TO COST RIGHT NOW, THE PAS, UH, OR THE WASTEWATER SPLIT IS 542 MILLION OF IT.

AND, UM, EL CAHONE WOULD HAVE 4.28 SHARE OF THE WASTEWATER COSTS, UH, FOR, FOR THAT.

SO IT'S, AND, AND OUR PERCENTAGE OF THE TOTAL PA'S CONTRIBUTION IS ABOUT 15%.

AND AS I WAS READING THE AGENDA, IT WAS ABOUT $77 MILLION.

YEAH.

OVER HOW MANY YEARS TO BE DETERMINED.

WE GET TO SET THE, THE TERMS, WILL IT BE ACCEPTABLE TO THEM? WE SAY, WELL, WE'RE NOT GOING TO PAY IT TILL 2050.

UH, THAT WOULDN'T BE ACCEPTABLE TO THEM OBVIOUSLY, CAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO LAY OUT THE MONEY RIGHT AWAY.

WELL TH THAT'S THEY'RE FINANCING INTO AS WELL.

YEAH.

THE AGREEMENT ALLOWS US TO TAKE AN OFF RAMP TO GO TO ADVANCED WATERFORD PURIFICATION WITH PADRE DAM.

IS THERE A COST?

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IS THERE A TOLL ON THAT EXIT OR CAN WE JUST GET OUT AT NO CHARGE? I DON'T WANT TO MISSPEAK, BUT I, UH, SCOTT, YOU CAN, YOU CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT THERE, THERE ISN'T LIKE A PENALTY, SO THERE IS NO PENALTY SET UP, BUT THERE WILL BE A CHARGES THAT WE HAVE TO FOOT THE BILL FOR, UH, OUR PORTION OF STILL KEEPING A PORTION OF OUR FLOW GOING TO METRO.

SO THAT WON'T BE ELIMINATED COMPLETELY.

UH, TO CLARIFY THEN, IF, IF WE'RE USING THE NUMBERS 90% THROUGH MISSION GORGE, 10% THROUGH THE MESA, ARE YOU SAYING WE WOULD STILL BE ON THE HOOK FOR THE PORSCHE RELATED TO THE 10% FLOW? CORRECT.

SO THERE IS NO, UH, UH, EARLY TERMINATION PENALTY OR, UH, YOU'RE TAKING LESS, UH, YOU'RE, YOU'RE PUTTING MORE SOMEWHERE ELSE, SO WE'RE GOING TO PENALIZE YOU AND CHARGE YOU 100 MILLION BECAUSE, WHOOPS, WE, YOU CAN JUST GET OUT.

NO, NO.

THE MR , MR CHAIR IS VERY KIND AND WE APPRECIATE HIS IS A CAMARADERIE THERE.

SO THERE'S NO, OKAY.

THERE'S, THERE'S NO PENALTY FOR THAT.

IT IS THE REASON WHY A DECISION ON THE EAST COUNTY PROJECT IS SO IMPORTANT SOONER THAN LATER BECAUSE IF WE WERE TO PAY, LET'S SAY, FIVE YEARS, LET'S SAY WE, WE'RE GOING TO ANALYZE ADVANCED PURE WATER FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, WE'D BE PAYING INTO THE SAN DIEGO RATE FOR FIVE YEARS AND THEN PULL OUT.

WE WOULD NOT SEE THAT BENEFIT.

THAT'S RIGHT.

UNDERSTOOD.

THANK YOU.

WELL, I'M THE, UH, CITY VOGUE HONE REPRESENTATIVE ON METRO WASTEWATER JPA.

AND FIRST OF ALL, I WANNA THANK UH, LEMON, LEMON GROVE COUNCILMAN JERRY JONES FOR HIS LEADERSHIP AND ALL THIS AND TAKING A LOT OF TIME EXPLAINING ALL THIS VERY COMPLICATED DATA TO ME IS PROBABLY OF THE MOST COMPLICATED THINGS I'VE EVER LOOKED AT IN MY 20 YEARS AS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL.

SO AGAIN, THANK YOU JERRY.

UM, WHY I LIKE ABOUT THIS IS THE FLEXIBILITY THAT IT GIVES US.

WE CAN STILL WORK WITH PADRE DAM AND WE FIND OUT THAT'S A BETTER DEAL.

WE CAN GO 90% WITH THEM WITHOUT ANY PENALTIES AND 10% WITH METRO.

AND IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT WHEN OUR CITIZENS FLUSH THE TOILET THAT IT GOES SOMEWHERE.

AND UH, AND THERE'S ALSO THE POSSIBILITY THAT WE COULD WORK SOMETHING OUT WITH PADRE IF, IF WE CAN SAVE MONEY.

SO I'VE GONE OVER THIS DOCUMENT MANY MAY TIMES.

JERRY'S EXPLAINED A LOT OF IT TO ME.

DIRK, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR HELP TOO.

UH, I, I'M COMFORTABLE WITH IT.

I SPENT A LOT OF HOURS LOOKING AT IT.

ANY OTHER, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? I JUST, ONE QUESTION, WHAT HAPPENS IF THE WAIVER THAT MAY NOT HAPPEN HAPPEN? SO WHAT IF, WHAT IF WE GET A REPRIEVE ON THAT? THEN THE COST OF UPDATING THE POTENT LOMA TREATMENT PLANT, THE ONE POINT $8 BILLION IS NOT INCURRED.

HOWEVER, THE PURE WATER COST IS STILL INCURRED.

SO WE'RE NOT BEING KIND OF DOUBLE DINGED.

CAN WE, CAN WE OPT OUT OF THE PURE WATER PER REP? NOT WITHOUT OPTING OUT OF HAVING SOMEONE TREAT OUR SEWAGE.

SO WE HAVE ANSWERS.

NO, WE HAVE NO CHOICE.

YEAH.

UNLESS WE FIND ANOTHER WAY TO DO IT.

OKAY.

I APPRECIATE THAT.

THANK YOU.

ALRIGHT, UM, ANGELA, ANY STREET CARDS ON THIS ITEM? NO CARD, SIR.

GREAT.

UH, BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL.

I APPRECIATE COUNCILOR KENDRICK, WHO'S DONE A LOT OF THE HOMEWORK ON THIS AND I THANKS FOR YOUR COMMENTS.

UH, IT GIVES ME SOME CONFIDENCE.

IT IS A VERY COMPLICATED SITUATION.

UH, ANY THOUGHTS OR SORT OF, I CAN MAKE A MOTION AND MOVE FORWARD ON IT.

STAFF SPEND A LOT OF TIME.

GARY SPENT A LOT OF TIME.

I HAVE A LOT OF FAITH IN THAT, SO I WOULD MOVE TO APPROVE SECOND.

ALL RIGHT.

IT'S BEEN MOVED.

THE SECOND PLEASE VOTE.

MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.

AND THANK YOU GENTLEMEN FOR COMING AND BEING PART OF THIS TONIGHT.

AND THANK YOU DIRK FOR OUR EXCELLENT PRESENTATION.

WE APPRECIATE IT.

ALL RIGHT, THERE ARE NO COMMISSIONER REPORTS TODAY.

ITEM 12 IS MY ACTIVITY REPORT AND HIS ASS REPORTED.

WE ARE AT THE ACTIVITIES REPORT

[11. Proposed Changes to City Council Procedures Ordinance RECOMMENDATION: That the City Council review the proposed amendments to Chapter 2.12 of the El Cajon Municipal Code related to City Council Procedures and provide direction to the City Attorney.]

11.

DID I MISS SOMETHING? YES, WE HAD AN ITEM 11.

I GET SO EXCITED TO BE DONE.

OKAY, WELL I CAN, I CAN HELP YOU WITH THAT BECAUSE THIS IS MY ITEM AND I'M

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GONNA THROW OUT MY FIVE PAGES OF THE PRESENTATION.

I LITERALLY WATCHED THE MINUTE HAND IN THE REFLECTION OF MY IPAD GO AS MR EPPERSON WAS GIVEN HIS, SO I KNOW IT, IT FEELS LIKE, ARE YOU GOING TO SHOW US HOW IT SHOULD BE DONE? THAT CAN BE DONE THIS WAY.

YOU'VE READ MY AGENDA REPORT.

THIS IS AN ITEM TO TRY TO MAKE SOME CHANGES TO PROPOSE CHANGES TO CHAPTER TWO, 12 OF OUR MUNICIPAL CODE DEALING WITH COUNCIL PROCEDURES.

UM, THE ONE THING I WANT YOU TO TAKE AWAY FROM THIS PRESENTATION IS THAT THE FIRST AMENDMENT NEEDS TO BE MONITORED AND NEEDS TO BE, UH, UM, UH, RESPECTED IN ANYTHING WE DO WITH OUR ORDINANCES THAT MIGHT AFFECT SPEECH.

WE'VE ATTEMPTED TO DO THAT AND CHANGES TO CHAPTER TWO, 12.

WE'VE ALSO MADE SOME CLEANUP MEASURES IN HERE.

UH, SOME OF THE THINGS WERE SUGGESTED BY COUNCIL MEMBERS COLLAGIO ON GOALBALL IN THE PAST, AND WE'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS THOSE.

WHAT I ASKED FOR YOU TODAY IS IF YOU'VE REVIEWED IT, IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER CHANGES YOU'D LIKE TO CONSIDER, WE AREN'T GOING TO HAVE A FIRST READING TONIGHT.

WE'LL BRING IT BACK AT THE NEXT MEETING.

IF YOU'RE READY AT THAT TIME FOR ANY CHANGES TO THE, UH, TO THE ORDINANCE.

UM, I'M HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS ON THIS, UH, THE, THE CHANGES THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED AND, AND GET INTO THE NITTY GRITTY OF THE FIRST AMENDMENT IF YOU NEED TO.

BUT I'LL, I'LL LEAVE THAT FOR A RESPONSIVE TYPE OF A PRESENTATION.

GREAT.

AS I READ THIS, UM, DOES THIS ELIMINATE SOME, UH, SOME PUBLIC PERSON COMING UP AND SPEAKING TO AN INDIVIDUAL? UH, COUNCIL MEMBER OR, NO, THE, THE, THE PRESENT STATE OF THE ORDINANCE IS THAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO ADDRESS THE ENTIRE COUNCIL OR THE AS OPPOSED TO INDIVIDUALS? UM, WELL, WE'VE CHANGED IN, IN THAT AREA IS WE HAVEN'T CHANGED THAT WE'VE REALLY CAN CONTINUE TO STOP THEM FROM, UH, OR ASKING SPEAKERS TO, UH, NOT ADDRESSED PERSONALLY, UH, INDIVIDUALS, BUT TO AGAIN, ADDRESS THE PRESIDING OFFICER OR ADDRESS THE COUNCIL AS A WHOLE.

AND ALSO WE'VE INSERTED THAT NOT TO ADDRESS THE PUBLIC.

SO NOT TO TURN AROUND AND GET INTO A DEBATE WITH SOMEBODY WHO'S JUST RECENTLY SPOKEN OR HAVE SOMEBODY FROM THE AUDIENCE START A DEBATE WITH SOMEBODY WHO'S AT THE, AT, AT THE ROSTRUM, UH, TRYING TO, UH, UH, GIVE THEIR, THEIR PRESENTATION OR, OR COMMENTS.

WELL, I, I CAN RELATE TO THIS BECAUSE WHEN I WAS FIRST ELECTED TO THE COUNCIL, UH, WE USED TO HAVE SOME PERSON COME IN AND ADDRESS ME FOR AN ISSUE THAT, UH, THE COUNCIL HAD VOTED ON.

BUT, UH, SO THE, WOULD THAT PREVENT THAT? WELL, AS MUCH AS MY GRAY HAIR MAY LET PEOPLE THINK I WAS HERE AT THAT TIME, I'M NOT SURE.

THAT'S RIGHT.

NOT IN YOUR LIFETIME NOW? NO, I, I GUESS I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH WHAT HAPPENED BACK THEN, SO I COULDN'T, IT'S HARD FOR ME TO ANSWER THAT.

WELL, I WAS KIND OF BERATED FOR ALLOWING THIS TO HAPPEN AT THE TIME BECAUSE IT WAS VOTED ON BY THE COUNCIL.

BUT UM, IT WAS KIND OF MY ORIGINAL IDEA.

YEAH.

THE, THE PUBLIC STILL HAS A RIGHT TO CRITICIZE YOU AND ANY ONE OF YOU OR YOU COLLECTIVELY.

BUT THE WHOLE POINT IS YOU SHOULD BE, THEY SHOULD BE ADDRESSING THE COUNCIL.

THEY SHOULDN'T SAY, MR MCCLELLAN, YOU'RE A DIRTY ROTTEN SCOUNDRELS BECAUSE YOU VOTED FOR THAT.

MAKE THE COMMENT TO THE COUNCIL AND SAY, I MAKE THEM ADDRESS THE COUNCIL AS A WHOLE INSTEAD OF TAKING, UH, SHOTS AT INDIVIDUALS FROM, FROM THE ROSTER, FROM THERE.

AND I THINK THAT'S BEEN DONE AS LATE.

SO WILL THIS, HOW ARE YOU GOING TO PREVENT THAT FROM HAPPENING IN THE FUTURE? WELL, WE, WE HAVE RULES AND IF THEY DON'T FOLLOW THE RULES, WE TRY TO GET THEM TO COOPERATE.

ONE OF THE PROBLEMS WITH THE FIRST AMENDMENT IS THAT WE WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE DIFFICULT FOR US TO EJECT SOMEBODY JUST SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY ADDRESS SOMETHING TO MR GOALBALL INSTEAD OF ADDRESSING THE COUNSEL OR MR KENDRICK INSTEAD OF THE COUNCIL.

AND WE HAVE HAD EXPERIENCE AND THIS IS WHAT MR COLLAGE WHO HAD RAISED PREVIOUSLY WHERE SOME PEOPLE WHO ARE IN HERE AS YOU KNOW, UH, DIRECTLY ADDRESSING HIM AND CRITICAL OF HIM.

AND IT WAS AN UNSTEADY BUSINESS EITHER.

SO SOME OF THE THINGS I COULD DO IS TRY TO CONTROL THAT BETTER WITH RULES WITH UM, UH, UH, BETTER ENFORCEMENT OR, OR EDUCATION OF THOSE RULES AS WELL.

GIVING WARNINGS TO THESE PEOPLE THAT THAT'S NOT ALLOWED UNDER OUR CODE.

WE'RE GOING TO BE SERIOUS ABOUT THIS.

YOU ADDRESS THE CITY BUSINESS, YOU DON'T ADDRESS THE INDIVIDUALS ON THEIR PERSONAL BUSINESS.

AND WE HAD ONE INDIVIDUAL THAT USED VERY VULGAR LANGUAGE AND DO WE HAVE RIGHT TO REJECT HIM THEN OR WHAT DO WE HAVE NOT FOR THE MERE USE OF THE LANGUAGE.

PROFANITY AS ONE NEWLY ELECTED CONGRESSWOMAN USED IN HER OPENING SPEECH, UH, IS SOMETHING THAT WILL OCCUR IN THE COURTS.

HAVE SAID, YOU HAVE TO ACCEPT THAT THE CRITICAL ISSUE IS WHETHER THAT LANGUAGE OR THAT ACTION OR THAT SPEECH OR CONDUCT ACTUALLY DISRUPTS THE MEETING.

NOT POTENTIALLY, NOT THEORETICALLY NOT A, UH, IMAGINARY, UH, OR HYPOTHETICALLY, UH, IT IS

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SOMETHING THAT WOULD ACTUALLY STOP THE BUSINESS OF GOVERNMENT.

AND THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE THAT CHANCE TO MAKE THIS CHANGE TO, TO MAKE CERTAIN THAT OUR ORDINANCE IS NOT CHALLENGED ON A FACIAL CHALLENGE BECAUSE IT, THERE, THERE MAY BE A FEAR THAT, UH, WE'RE USING IT TO STIFLE SPEECH.

WHAT IT IS, IS IT'S GOING TO BE CLEAR THAT IF SOMEBODY STOPS THE BUSINESS OF GOVERNMENT, WE HAVE THE TO STOP THEM AND HAVE THEM REMOVED FROM THE, THE, UH, COUNCIL CHAMBERS.

HEY, WELL, I DON'T WANT TO DEAL WITH THE, I DON'T WANT TO DO ANYTHING THAT HAS A CHILLING EFFECT ON THE PUBLIC'S RIGHT OF FREE SPEECH.

EACH ONE OF US AT ONE TIME OR ANOTHER HAS BEEN CHEWED OUT BY A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC.

THAT KINDA COMES WITH THE TERRITORY WHEN YOU'RE ELECTED OFFICIAL.

AND I GUESS NOW THEY GO THROUGH THE MIRROR TO CHEW US OUT.

BUT, UM, UH, I ALSO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE SPEAKING UP THERE, THAT THEY ARE NOT HARASSED BY OTHER MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.

I DON'T WANT THIS TO, I DIDN'T WANT THEIR SPEECH, UH, TO BE ABRIDGED ANY WAY CAUSE SOMEONE OUT IN THE AUDIENCE STARTS YELLING AT HIM OR CALLING THEM NAMES.

UH, SO I ACTUALLY, I TH I THINK THIS COVERS EVERYTHING PRETTY WELL.

YEAH.

THAT W WE ATTEMPTED TO ADDRESS THAT OR WOULD ATTEMPT TO ADDRESS THAT.

UH, FOR INSTANCE, IF SOMEBODY FELT THAT THEY CAN'T, THEY CAN'T PARTICIPATE AS A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC BECAUSE SOMEBODY IS EITHER TAKING TOO MUCH TIME, THEY'RE BEING REDUNDANT OR REPETITIVE, THEY'RE BEING ABUSIVE WITH THEIR LANGUAGE AND SOMEBODY BECOMES SO HIGHLY OFFENDED THAT THEY NOW SAY, I CAN'T EVEN STAND IT.

I CAN'T COME IN HERE AND TALK TO THE COUNCIL.

YOU KNOW, THAT THEORETICALLY, UH, WELL THAT'S SOMETHING WE WOULD CONSIDER AS POSSIBLY BEING AN, UH, AN ACTUAL DISRUPTION BECAUSE IT'S DISRUPTING A PERSON THAT JOE CITIZEN'S RIGHT TO SPEAK ON THE SAME ISSUE.

IF THEY CAN'T STAND LISTENING TO THE, TO THE, UH, UH, THE VULGARITY, THE, THE, UH, THE A VERY, VERY OFFENSIVE LANGUAGE PERHAPS.

BUT IN THAT CASE IT COULD BE A SITUATION WHERE WE TAKE A COOL DOWN PERIOD, YOU KNOW, THAT THE MAYOR AS A PRESIDING OFFICER ASKED FOR A RECESS AND SAYS, WE JUST CAN'T HAVE THAT CONTINUING AND LET, LET THINGS COOL DOWN, UH, BRING IT BACK IN AND BRING IN AND BRING THE PUBLIC BACK INTO THE MEETING AFTER A BRIEF RECESS.

GIVE WARNINGS.

THINGS OF THAT NATURE THAT UH, AND, AND AS PART OF THIS ORDINANCE CHANGE TWO IS TO DELINEATE, UH, DESCRIBE DIFFERENT POWERS THAT THE ADDITIONAL POWERS THAT THE MAYOR, THE MAYOR, THE PRESIDING OFFICER WOULD HAVE TO TRY TO ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES.

AND I, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THE PUBLIC KNOWS THAT GIVEN THEIR ADDRESS BEFORE THEY SPEAK IS OPTIONAL.

BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S ANOTHER THING THAT COULD HAVE A CHILLING EFFECT.

CAUSE SOME PEOPLE THAT ARE UP THERE MAY THINK, OH THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME SOMETHING'S GOING TO HAPPEN TO BE CAUSE THEY SPOKE OR, OR CRITICIZED SOMETHING OR, OR HAD AN OPINION THAT SOMEONE HERE IN THIS AUDIENCE OR UP HERE, UH, HE DIDN'T LIKE, RIGHT.

AGAIN, THAT'S ONE OF THE CHANGES THAT WE'VE MADE IS TO ELIMINATE THE NEED TO STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.

THEY CAN DO IT VOLUNTARILY, BUT WE SHOULDN'T HAVE IT IN AN ORDINANCE THAT SAYS YOU MUST DO IT.

I THINK MAYBE ON SPEAKERS JUST SLIPS.

WE SHOULD PUT THAT DOWN AND JUST COMPLETELY THINK WE DO ALREADY THE ADDRESS IS BEING VOLUNTARY, ALTHOUGH THEY, THESE ARE PUBLIC RECORDS.

IF THEY DECIDE TO PUT IT ON THERE, THEN SOME SOMEBODY CAN ASK FOR A COPY.

THEY SHOULD BE MADE AWARE OF THAT.

ALSO IF YOU PUT DOWN YOUR ADDRESS, IT'S A PUBLIC RECORD.

OKAY.

BOB AND STEVE, THE REASON FOR, TO MY COLLEAGUES IN THE COUNCIL, THE REASON WHY I BROUGHT THIS UP IS DURING PUBLIC COMMENT TIME, THAT IS THE PUBLIC'S CHANCE TO ADDRESS ALL FIVE OF US.

UH, WITHOUT A BROWN ACT VIOLATION.

IT'S THEIR CHANCE TO, TO VENT, TO COMPLEMENT TO WHATEVER THEY WANT TO SAY, INCLUDING PROFANITY, UH, THAT AS LONG AS IT'S NOT DISRUPTIVE AND CAUSES AN ACTUAL DISRUPTION.

SO WHAT HAS CHANGED IN THIS TO ME IS DISTRICT ELECTIONS.

SO NOW IN MY DISTRICT, UH, IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO COME IN AND SAY, MR GOBO, YOU, YOU ARE NOT REPRESENTING YOU VERY WELL.

I THINK THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO ADDRESS ME PERSONALLY BECAUSE I AM THEIR DISTRICTS PERSON THAT THEY VOTED FOR.

THEY DIDN'T GET TO VOTE FOR ANYBODY ELSE.

AND SO THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO CRITICIZE JUST ME BECAUSE THAT'S THE ONLY PERSON THEY GOT TO VOTE FOR OTHER THAN THE MAYOR, OF COURSE.

AND SO I'M SAYING JUST DURING PUBLIC COMMENT TIME, NOT DURING OTHER BUSINESS, JUST DURING PUBLIC COMMENT TIME, THE PUBLIC SHOULD BE ABLE TO ADDRESS AN INDIVIDUAL NUMBER BECAUSE IT MAY BE THE PERSON FROM THEIR DISTRICT

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SUBJECT TO THE RULES OF DECORUM.

AND SO WITH PARAGRAPH FOUR AND PARAGRAPH SIX, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US ALLOW THE PUBLIC TO ADDRESS INDIVIDUAL MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL BECAUSE OF THAT REASON, SUBJECT TO THE RULES OF DECORUM.

AND THE PRESIDING OFFICER'S, UH, MANAGEMENT IN THE MEETING.

ALRIGHT.

ALRIGHT.

LET'S, UM, LET'S SEE.

WAIT THE SPEAKER CARDS.

NO CARD SIR.

ALRIGHT.

LET IT COMES BACK TO US.

UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT COUNCILMAN GOLDWELL MAKES A REALLY GOOD POINT IN THAT, UH, WHAT, WHAT IS PROPOSED NOW IS IF THEY WANT TO TALK TO ME, LET'S SAY I'M DOING SOMETHING WRONG, THEY SAY, MR MAYOR, I THINK GARY KENDRICK IS DOING SOMETHING WRONG.

THAT'S, BUT UH, I MEAN THAT'S JUST A FORMALITY.

A LOT OF THESE PEOPLE TO COME UP HERE, UH, DON'T KNOW THAT AND IT'S NOT KIND OF NATURAL WHEN YOU'RE MAD AT A PARTICULAR INDIVIDUAL TO GO THROUGH THE MAYOR.

SO AS A COMPROMISE, WOULD YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH ASKING THEM, ASKING PERMISSION TO SPEAK TO THE COUNCIL MEMBER AND I CAN SAY SURE.

AS LONG AS LONG AS WE FOLLOW SOME RULES OF DECORUM AND HAVE THE ABILITY TO TAKE IT BACK AT A TIME, I THINK THAT'S PUTTING TOO MUCH ON THE PUBLIC.

THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THESE ORDINANCES SAY OR ANYTHING ELSE.

AND THEY'RE GOING TO TALK TO, I THINK WE WOULD JUST, WE WOULD, WE WOULD, WE WOULD SAY THAT.

OKAY.

I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

THEY, THEY START TALKING TO STEVE.

I INTERRUPT THEM AND SAY, NOW YOU'VE GOT A THOUGHT TO ME AND ASK IF YOU CAN TALK TO STEVE.

OKAY.

CAN I TALK TO STEVE? YES.

YOU CAN TALK TO SUE.

IT SOUNDS LIKE BEING IN KINDERGARTEN.

YEAH.

AND WHAT WOULD HAPPEN? ALL RIGHT, SO JUST AS, AS LONG AS IT'S UNDERSTOOD THAT IF, IF, IF PEOPLE START GETTING OUT OF HAND, I'M GOING TO PULL UP, PULL, PULLING BACK PLUG.

RIGHT.

CAUSE YOU'RE THE ONE THAT RUNS THE MIRROR, RUNS THE MEETING.

SO IF THE, YEAH, IF THEY DO GET OUT OF HAND THEN THEN YOUR, IT'S YOUR JOB TO WARN THEM.

IF IT GETS OUT OF HAND AND THERE'S AN ACTUAL DISRUPTION, THAT'S WHY, YEAH.

THAT'S MAYBE THE BEST WAY TO SIT.

BUT IF THERE'S A DISRUPTION AT THAT POINT, THEN I'M GOING TO INTERVENE.

THAT'S WHY YOU GET THE BIG BUCKS BILL.

YES.

AND MY PROPOSAL IS LIMITED TO PUBLIC COMMENT TIME.

UM, LET ME ASK THE, UH, CITY ATTORNEY AND CITY MANAGER IF THERE'S, YOU SEE ANY, UM, PROBLEMS LEGALLY OR ADMINISTRATIVELY WITH THE DIRECTION THIS IS GOING? NONE FROM ME.

I THINK THE OPENING UP THE, THE AVENUES OF COMMUNICATION BY ALLOWING THEM TO SPEAK DIRECTLY TO, TO INDIVIDUAL COUNCIL MEMBERS IS ACTUALLY A MORE HARMONY HARMONIZATION WITH THE FIRST AMENDMENT.

THEN TELL THEM THE PUBLIC, THEY CAN'T SPEAK TO YOU DIRECTLY.

GREAT.

SO MY, MY ONLY CONCERN, AND THIS IS MORE OF JUST, UM, A PHILOSOPHICAL CONCERN ABOUT DISTRICT ELECTIONS.

ULTIMATELY YOU'LL HEAR THAT YOU REPRESENT THESE INDIVIDUALS.

THE REALITY IS ALL FIVE OF YOU REPRESENT EVERY SINGLE RESIDENT OF ALCOHOL BECAUSE YOU ALL VOTE ON, ON ISSUES RELATING TO, UM, ELKA HOME.

SO, UM, MR GOBLE FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU'RE NOT THE KING OF YOUR DISTRICT, YOU CAN'T DIRECT, UH, BUDGET ITEMS SPECIFICALLY FOR YOUR DISTRICT.

SO AN INDIVIDUAL COME IN WITH A COMPLAINT FROM A DISTRICT HAS TO REALLY APPEAL TO THE, THE WILL OR THE GRACES OF THE CITY COUNCIL TO GET THINGS DONE.

SO THAT WOULD BE MY ONLY CONCERN IS, IS ARE THAT NOTION, THAT IDEA, DOES THAT BALKANIZE THE CITY OR, OR IS THAT A MORE, AS MR. FOLEY SAID, IS THAT JUST A MORE FAIR WAY TO ENSURE THE FIRST AMENDMENT? SO THAT WOULD BE ONLY MY ONLY CONCERN IS WE THINK THIS THROUGH.

I WOULD WORRY THAT WE BECOME, UH, DIVIDED INTO DISTRICTS IN, IN THE WAY WE THINK ABOUT EVERYTHING IN ALCOHOL.

BASICALLY.

THAT'S WHAT THE STATE HAS DONE TO US.

AND UH, I THINK MR GOEBBELS RIGHT, UH, THAT HE'S GOING TO BE BY PEOPLE IN HIS DISTRICT AND SAID, I VOTED FOR YOU.

UH, I WANT YOU TO BRING THIS UP TO THE COUNCIL AND GET IT DONE.

AND UH, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO SEE IN THE FUTURE BECAUSE THE STATE FORCED US INTO A DISTRICT.

STEVE, WHAT'S NEXT? I AGREE WITH MR. MITCHELL IN SAYING WE ALL REPRESENT EVERYBODY.

WE DON'T LIMIT OUR RESPONSES TO PEOPLE.

WE, WE ANSWER QUESTIONS FROM PEOPLE THROUGHOUT THE CITY.

WE DON'T SAY, OH, YOU LIVE IN FLETCHER HILLS.

YOU NEED TO TALK TO YOUR COUNCIL MEMBER FROM FLETCHER HILLS.

I'M OUT.

WE REPRESENT EVERYBODY.

I'M EXPANDING THE FREE SPEECH ANGLE HERE FOR SOMEBODY TO DIRECTLY CRITICIZE ME.

[02:35:01]

SO IT'S NOT ME REPRESENTATIVE.

IT'S NOT A REPRESENTATION ISSUE.

IT IS EXPANDING THE FREE SPEECH OF THE SPEAKER TO CRITICIZE ME BECAUSE THEY ARE LIMITED IN WHO THEY CAN VOTE FOR, NOT IN WHO I REPRESENT.

YEAH.

I THINK IT PUTS A LITTLE BIT OF A CHILLING EFFECT WHEN THE SPEAKER'S CHIDED TO SAID CORRECT.

DOES HE SPEAK TO ME? THE MAYOR, NOT THE OTHER PEOPLE DIRECTLY.

AND I THINK IN NATURAL CONVERSATION YOU LOOK AT SOMEONE IN THE EYE AND YOU SPEAK TO THEM AND MAYBE IT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY DID YOU DON'T LIKE OR MAYBE THERE'S SOMETHING THEY DID THAT THEY DO LIKE AND THEN THIS, UH, TAKES AWAY JUST ONE MORE BARRIER OF THE FORMALITY AND THE CITY COUNCIL, WE'RE ALL USED TO THAT.

BUT THE GENERAL PUBLIC ISN'T, THEY DON'T, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THEM ARE SCARED WHEN THEY COME UP THERE AND I WANT TO MAKE THEM FEEL AS COMFORTABLE AS POSSIBLE, SAY WHATEVER THEY WANT TO SAY.

THAT'S ON THEIR MIND.

ALL RIGHT, WELL GOOD POINTS.

ANY OTHER THOUGHTS? OKAY.

THAT WAS MAYOR.

WE JUST RECEIVED A CARD SPEAKER CARD IF YOU'LL ALLOW IT.

HOW CHRIS? WELL, THREATENING BY MR MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, HAPPY NEW YEAR.

UM, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE ONE COMMENT REGARDING, UH, ONE PORTION OF THE PRESENTATION WHICH HAS BEEN MADE TO AMEND, UH, THIS, UH, PORTION OF THE, UH, CITY MUNICIPAL CODE.

AND THIS IS AT THE END OF THE PRESENTATION WHERE IT MENTIONS THAT, UM, REGARDING PHOTOGRAPHY AND A NEWS CAMERAMAN, I'M ONLY HERE AS A REPRESENTATIVE OF FACE HONEY MAGAZINE AS A CONTRIBUTING EDITOR.

AND I DON'T SPEAK FOR THE OTHER JOURNALISTS.

HOWEVER, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE SUGGESTION HOWEVER, THAT, UH, THAT THE PEOPLE WHO WOULD BE ALLOWED TO TAKE PHOTOGRAPHS WOULD BE NECESSARILY HAVING THE ACCREDITATION, UH, FROM THE CITY OF SAN DIEGO, UH, AS A MEDIA PASS.

AND SO WE ARE, I EVERYBODY WHO IS A LEGITIMATE MEMBER OF THE PRESS IS ABLE TO GET THIS W AFTER BEING VETTED.

AND I THINK THAT THIS WOULD BE A, THE ONE SUGGESTION, YOU KNOW, THAT I WOULD MAKE, UM, REGARDING A, THAT POINT IN, UH, THE MUNICIPAL CODE.

ALRIGHT, BOB? WELL, I HAVE SEEN PRIVATE RESIDENTS OR PRIVATE PEOPLE DO IT AND THEY DON'T HAVE A PASS.

THEY JUST WANT TO FO THEY JUST WANT TO VIDEO THE MEETING OR A SPEAKER IN THE MEETING.

AND I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WOULD AFFECT THAT OR WHETHER WE COULD STOP THEM FROM DOING THAT.

MMM.

BOB, I THINK THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS AREA RIGHT HERE.

IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? MR. CRUZ? YES.

SO ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE WALL AND THERE THERE'S MAYBE SOME SECURITY ISSUES THERE.

WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT JUST MEMBERS OF THE PRESS, I THINK THAT'S WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT SPECIFICALLY ARE YOU'RE ASKING FOR, UH, THAT'S SIMPLY THAT, THAT IF THAT THERE IS GOING TO BE, UM, ALLOWING US TO TAKE PICTURES, LSE FROM THE BULLPEN REASONABLY, UH, THAT, UM, WE WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, THOSE WERE HAVING A TRUE, UM, PR, UH, PRESS ACCREDITATION.

WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THE BULLPEN? YOU MEAN THIS AREA DOWN HERE? SORRY, I ALWAYS REFER TO THAT AS THE BULLPEN OR THEN A PRIVATE, UH, OTHER PUBLIC WOULD BE ABLE TO VIDEO FROM OUT IN THE OTHER AREAS, BUT NOT FROM DOWN HERE.

CORRECT.

THAT'S WHAT I WAS ACTUALLY, UH, UM, ADDRESSING.

THIS IS THE CURRENT, THE CODE CURRENTLY DOESN'T PERMIT ANYBODY TO COME IN HERE WITHOUT THE APPROVAL OF THE CITY COUNCIL.

THAT DOESN'T CHANGE.

YOU COULD ALLOW FAMILY MEMBERS AND RELATIVES TO, WITH THE PERMISSION, THE CITY COUNCIL, UH, IF YOU'D LIKE, YOU COULD SAY THAT WITH THE PERMISSION, THE PRESIDING OFFICER OR THE CITY COUNCIL THAT THE PRESIDING OFFICER DOESN'T WANT TO GIVE THAT, THAT A RIGHT TO THEM.

THE CITY COUNCIL CAN SAY, NO, LET'S, AS A COLLECTIVE GROUP, WE, WE WANT THE FAMILY TO COME HERE.

UM, THE ONLY CHANGE WE MADE IN THAT IT WAS TO MAKE IT BUILD INTO THAT, AN EXCEPTION FOR THE NEWS MEDIA, UH, IN THE ORDINANCE.

SO WE DIDN'T HAVE TO KEEP ASKING PERMISSION, EACH MEETING FOR SOMEBODY TO BE ABLE TO BRING IN A CAMERA.

MR. CRUZ BRINGING IN HIS, UH, CAMERON AND TAKING A PICTURE OF PEOPLE.

OCCASIONALLY HE'D LIKE TO BE, HAVE IT FROM A PERSPECTIVE THAT'S A LITTLE FURTHER AWAY THAN RIGHT IN FRONT OF THESE PEOPLE, I SUPPOSE.

SO THAT'S THE ONLY CHANGE WE MADE WAS TO ALLOW NEWS MEDIA WITHOUT HAVING TO GET PERMISSION AT EACH MEETING.

IF, IF YOU'RE GOING TO OPEN THAT UP TO ANYBODY ELSE, THE PR, THE CITY COUNCIL CAME RIGHT NOW CAN GIVE THAT PERMISSION, BUT YOU MIGHT, WE MIGHT WANT TO CHANGE THAT TO THE PRESIDING OFFICER OR THE CITY COUNCIL.

WELL, I THINK THE POINT THAT MR. CRUZ WAS BRINGING UP IS WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU SAY NEWS MEDIA, UH, HOW DO YOU DELINEATE WHO IS IN THE MEDIA? WELL, IF YOU WANT TO GO BUY A CREDITATION

[02:40:01]

FROM SOME SOURCE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THOSE ARE.

MY MYSELF, EVEN THOUGH I'M THE FAMILY, THE SON OF A JOURNALIST, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS.

IT COULD BE LOCAL, IT COULD BE NATIONAL, IT COULD BE INTERNATIONAL.

I DON'T EXACTLY HOW WE WOULD WANT TO DESCRIBE THAT, BUT WE COULD LOOK INTO THAT AND SEE IF THERE'S NO ONE JEWISH, WHY DON'T, WHY DON'T WE S WE KICKED THAT BACK TO STAFF, HAVE THEM SEE WHAT'S DONE IN OTHER MUNICIPALITIES AND WHAT'S THE STANDARD IN THE COMMUNITY AND COME BACK TO US WITH A RECOMMENDATION.

WOULD THAT BE OKAY? CAN I STAFF CAL COUNSEL PAUL.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ALL RIGHT, WE'LL GO FROM THAT.

ALL RIGHT, SO WE ARE PRODUCTIVE, UH, AFTERNOON.

WE'VE HASHED IT ALL OUT.

ANY OTHER CONCERNS THAT WE SHOULD LOOK AT? THINGS WE SHOULD DISCUSS, IF NOT WHAT YOU WANT TO BRING EMOTION.

YOU WANT TO BRING THIS BACK THEN OR DO YOU WANT TO, WHAT'S THAT? YOU WANT TO VOTE IN IT NOW? YOU WILL BRING IT BACK.

I DON'T HAVE IT ON HERE FOR VOTING W WE'LL BRING IT BACK AT THE NEXT MEETING WITH A MARKED UP VERSION THAT ADDRESSES ALL THE COMMENTS WERE MADE AND THOSE THAT ARE IMPLIED.

JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE DIDN'T WANT TO SEND ANYTHING ELSE BACK TO COUNCIL OR BACK TO STAFF.

I THINK YOU'VE GOT TO STAFF.

THANKS VERY MUCH.

OKAY, NOW I'M GOING TO THIS PART THAT I WENT BEFORE.

THERE ARE NO COMMISSIONER REPORTS TODAY.

[12. Council Activity Report]

ITEM 12 IS MY ACTIVITIES REPORT AND IT IS AS REPORTED

[14. ACTIVITIES REPORTS/COMMENTS OF COUNCILMEMBERS:]

COUNCIL MEMBER KENDRICK AS REPORTED COUNCIL MEMBER MCLAGAN AS REPORTED COUNCIL MEMBER COLLAGIO.

THEY ARE AS I'VE REPORTED THEM.

DEPUTY MAYOR STEVE GOBLE AS REPORTED.

AND I DO HAVE A COMMENT.

YESTERDAY MORNING, UH, DOWN BROADWAY, THERE WAS STREETS RESURFACING ON BALLANTINE AND AS A RESULT, I BELIEVE IT'S A CONTRACTOR HAD REDUCED TRAFFIC DOWN TO ONE LANE AND I HAPPENED TO GET STUCK IN THE BACK END OF THAT TRAFFIC WAS CLOSE TO A BLOCK LONG FROM BALLANTINE UP TO I THINK IT IS MOLLISON AND IT WAS, IT WAS PRETTY BAD.

EIGHT O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING.

AND SO I WAS AT THE BACK OF THIS LINE AND THE SIGNAL WAS ONLY LETTING THROUGH MAYBE FIVE TO 10 OR CLOSER TO 10 CARS AT THAT.

THIS WAS, UH, ON THE WAY TO A MEETING.

AND SO THAT WAS FIVE TILL EIGHT.

I EMAIL THE CITY MANAGER SAYING, HERE'S THE SITUATION, CAN YOU CHECK INTO THIS? HE HAD STAFF OUT THERE, OH, WITHIN PROBABLY A HALF AN HOUR AT MOST.

AND THE ADJUSTED THE SIGNAL TO LET MORE CARS THROUGH SO THAT BY THE TIME MY MEETING WAS DONE AT NINE O'CLOCK, THE TRAFFIC WAS DOWN TO ALMOST NORMAL LEVELS, WHICH WAS JUST AN INCREDIBLE RESPONSE FOR THE PEOPLE WHO WERE DRIVING DOWN BROADWAY.

THAT'S JUST EXCELLENT SERVICE FOR THE PUBLIC OF SOMETHING.

WELL DONE IN A, PROBABLY EVEN AVERTED A NINE ONE ONE CALL TO THE POLICE SAYING, HEY, YOU GOTTA COME DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE TRAFFIC OUT HERE ON BROADWAY.

SO KUDOS TO THE STAFF WERE A QUICK RESPONSE AND THAT EFFECTIVE SOLUTION.

THANK YOU FOR THE PEOPLE OF OKLAHOMA.

EXCELLENT.

ALL RIGHT.

THERE ARE NEW, THERE ARE NO JOINT COUNSELOR REPORTS AND NO GENERAL INFORMATION ITEMS FOR DISCUSSION.

THERE ARE NO FIRST READINGS OF ORDINANCES.

ITEM 17 IS THE SECOND READING AND ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE OUTCOME IS FULL CODE ADDRESSING DUCTLESS VEHICLES.

AND WE'VE ALREADY DONE THAT.

SO ALMOST STOP AND MOVE ON.

AND WE HAVE NO CLOSE SESH ON TODAY'S AGENDA.

SO THIS BRINGS US TO A GERMAN, THE RAILROAD JOINT MEETING OF THE ELK ON CITY COUNCIL AND OKLAHOMA HOUSING AUTHORITY HELD THIS EIGHTH DAY OF JANUARY, 2019 IS A JOURNEY UNTIL TUESDAY, JANUARY 22ND, 2019 AT 3:00 PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.