Nov 13, 2018 City Council Meeting 3pm

A FEW PRESENTATIONS ON TODAY'S AGENDA AND COUNCIL, WOULD YOU JOIN ME DOWN BELOW PLEASE? ALL RIGHT.

YOU KNOW, AND I, I, I SHOULD HAVE MENTIONED IT BEFORE TOO, THAT UH, WE SHOULD REMEMBER ALL THE FOLKS IN CALIFORNIA WHO HAVEN'T TYPICALLY WITH WILDFIRES, BUT I'M GUESSING THAT ALL OF YOU WERE SAYING A PRAYER FOR THEM, A PRAYER FOR ALL OUR FIREFIGHTERS WHO ARE OUT THERE RISKING THEIR LIVES TO PROTECT CALIFORNIA.

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[ POSTINGS: The City Clerk posted Orders of Adjournments of the October 23, 2018, Meeting, the October 29, 2018, Joint Special Meeting, and the Agenda of the November 13, 2018, Meeting in accordance to State Law and Council/Authority/Successor Agency to the Redevelopment Agency Policy.]

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THE CITY CLERK POSTED ORDERS OF A GERMAN OF THE OCTOBER 23RD, 2018 MEETING THE OCTOBER 29TH JOINT SPECIAL MEETING AND THE AGENDA OF THE NOVEMBER 13TH, 2018 MEETINGS IN ACCORDANCE WITH STATE LAW COUNCIL AND HOUSING AUTHORITY POLICY.

WE HAVE

[ PRESENTATIONS: Oath of Office: Fire Chief Steve Swaney Poster Winners: Heartland Fire Presentation: Veteran of the Year - Mark Goodman Proclamation: San Diego State University's School of Public Affairs 50th Anniversary ]

FOR OUR FIRST PRESENTATION, I'D LIKE TO INVITE FIRE CHIEF STEVE SWATY TO JOIN US AND THE CITY CLERK TO ADMINISTER THE OATH OF OFFICE CHIEF.

YEAH, I, STEVEN SWEENEY DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR THAT I WILL SUPPORT AND DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA AND THE CONSTITUTION OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA AGAINST ALL ENEMIES FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC.

THAT I WILL BEAR TRUE FAITH AND ALLEGIANCE TO UNITED STATES TO THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES AND THE CONSTITUTION OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA.

THIS OBLIGATION THAT I TAKE THIS OBLIGATION FREELY WITHOUT ANY MENTAL RESERVATION OR PURPOSE OF EVASION AND THAT I WILL AND FAITHFULLY DISCHARGE THE DUTIES UPON WHICH I'M ABOUT TO ENTER.

WOW.

UM, I AM TRULY HONORED AND HUMBLED BY THIS OPPORTUNITY.

THANK YOU MR. MITCHELL, MAYOR COUNCIL AND THE CITIZENS OF ALCOHOLICS FOR BEING BESTOWED SUCH A GREAT HONOR TO LEAD SUCH A GREAT ORGANIZATION.

UM, AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, THERE'S A LOT OF GREAT MEN AND WOMEN THAT MAKE UP THIS ORGANIZATION.

AND AS THE NEW FIRE CHIEF, I PLEDGE THAT I WILL CONTINUE TO STRIVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE PROVIDE THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF SERVICE POSSIBLE TO OUR PUBLIC.

AND AT THE SAME TIME WE'LL BE A GOOD STEWARD AND LOOK OUT FOR THE HEALTH AND WELLBEING OF OUR, THE MEN AND WOMEN OF HEARTLAND FIRE AND RESCUE.

SO I'VE BEEN HERE SINCE 1985 AND IT'S JUST A GREAT HONOR.

WHEN I FIRST STARTED, I NEVER THOUGHT THAT I WOULD BE STANDING UP HERE AND BE THE FIRE CHIEF, BUT HERE I AM AND THANK YOU.

NOW OUR CITY MANAGER WILL PIN ON HIS NEW BADGE AS CHIEF.

ALL RIGHT, CONGRATULATIONS.

WELL, YOU'RE IN A LONG LINE OF GREAT CHIEFS.

DO YOU WANT MORE? MORE PICTURE YOUR CHIEF, YOUR CELEBRITY.

THEY NEED MORE PICTURES.

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THIS IS A FUN ONE.

WE HAVE THE WINNERS FROM THE HEARTLAND FIRE POSTER CONTEST.

MONICA ZACK, I THINK WILL TELL US ALL ABOUT THIS.

AND WE'LL NEED OUR NEW FIRE CHIEF CHIEF SWAY ANY IF HE'LL JOIN THE, HE'S NOT DONE YET.

WELL, ONE OF MY JOBS OF COURSE IS THE PUBLIC INFORMATION OFFICER FOR THE CITY OF EL CAHONE.

I'M VERY HONORED TO DO THAT, BUT I'M ALSO HONORED TO BE PART OF THE SAFETY EDUCATION GROUP FOR BOTH HEARTLAND FIRE AND OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT.

SO FOR ME, I LOVE EMPOWERING OUR STUDENTS WITH THE KNOWLEDGE TO BE SAFE AND HOW THEY CAN TAKE CARE OF THEMSELVES, THEIR FAMILIES AND WHEREVER THEY HAPPEN TO BE MAYBE SAVED A LOT OF PEOPLE AND THE STUDENTS ARE EXCITED WHEN I HEAR THEM TELL WHEN THEY HEAR ME TELL HIM THAT.

SO FOR ANNUAL FIRE SAFETY POSTER CONTEST, THIS WAS AN HONOR OF FIRE PREVENTION WEEK.

I DELIVERED THESE TALKS DURING OCTOBER TO OUR CAHONE VALLEY GRADE SCHOOLS.

SO I'M ALSO HONORED TO HAVE HERE THIS MORNING OR THIS AFTERNOON.

UH, DAVID MIYASHIRO, THE SUPERINTENDENT, I BELIEVE HE'S RIGHT HERE.

HE'S BEEN VERY SUPPORTIVE OF BOTH OUR POLICE AND FIRE DEPARTMENTS AND ESPECIALLY WITH THIS FIRE POSTER CONTEST.

NOW THIS YEAR I TALKED TO ABOUT EIGHT SCHOOLS SPEAKING TO THIRD GRADE STUDENTS.

ONLY ABOUT THE DANGERS OF FIRE, HOW TO PREVENT FIRES, THE IMPORTANCE OF HAVING SMOKE ALARMS AND HOW TO HAVE A HOME ESCAPE PLAN.

IN ADDITION, I ENCOURAGE THEM TO PASS ALONG WHAT THEY LEARNED TO THEIR FAMILIES, ESPECIALLY TO THEIR YOUNGER BROTHERS AND SISTERS.

NOW STUDENTS ARE ASKED TO MAKE TWO FIRE HOME ESCAPE PLANS, ONE FOR THEIR HOME, THE OTHER AS A COLORFUL POSTER FOR OUR CONTEST, OUR POSTER CONTEST, AND THEY DRAW A FLOOR PLAN OF THEIR HOME SHOWING AT LEAST TWO WAYS OUT OF EACH ROOM AND A MEETING PLACE OUTSIDE.

NOW, FIRE CHIEF, STEVE SWEENEY, HEARTLAND FIREFIGHTERS AND EMERGENCY NINE ONE ONE DISPATCHERS WERE OUR JUDGES FOR THESE POSTERS.

SO I'D ALSO LIKE TO THANK ROBERT SCHEID WITH CAL COAST CREDIT UNION.

HE IS OUR COMMUNITY SPONSOR PROVIDING OUR GIFT CARDS FOR OUR THREE WINNERS.

FOR FIRST PLACE WINNER, WE HAVE A $150 GIFT CARD FOR A SECOND PLACE, $75 AND $50 FOR A THIRD PLACE WINNER.

AND ADDITION, A FRIEND OF MINE THAT WORKS AT MIDWAY MUSEUM PROVIDED PASSES FOR EACH OF OUR WINNERS.

SO I'M PLEASED TO ANNOUNCE AGAIN OUR 2018 WINNERS BEGINNING WITH THIRD PLACE FROM ST KAREN'S ACADEMY.

THEIR PLACE WINNER IS PHILLIP DOJ.

BONNIE COME ON UP, UP.

AND THERE'S THIS POSTER NICELY LAMINATED.

SO AGAIN, PHILLIP RECEIVES A $50 GIFT CARD AND TWO PASSES TO THE MIDWAY MUSEUM.

SO WHAT I DID ON MY POSTER AND LIKE HOW I DID IT, I FIRST I, I WALKED AROUND THE ROOMS AND I FOUND OUT WHERE THE FIRE ALARM, THE FIRE ALARMS WERE AND THEN UH, I DREW THEM ON THE POSTER WHERE EXACTLY WHERE THEY WERE ON THE ROOMS AND THEN I LABELED ALL THE ROOMS AND AFTER I LIKE OUTLINED IT AND DID THE KEY.

EXCELLENT.

CONGRATULATIONS.

IN ADDITION, WE HAVE CERTIFICATES FROM TWO OF OUR REPRESENTATIVES.

WE HAVE FROM , RANDY LAPELS, ASSEMBLYMAN, RANDY LAPELS OFFICE, MARISSA ALPHONA WITH A CERTIFICATE OF CONGRATULATIONS.

AND WE ALSO HAVE FROM JOEL ANDERSON'S OFFICE, SENATOR JOEL ANDERSON'S OFFICE, JOSE, MY RERO ALSO WITH THE CERTIFICATE.

ANY MORE HANDS, MORE THINGS FOR HIM TO CARRY.

TO WATCH IT SO YOU CAN HAVE THEM WATCH IT AND RECORD IT SO YOU'LL HAVE SOMETHING FOR POSTERITY.

YEAH, COME ON IN MORE PICTURES.

AND THEN, UM, AND THEN IS JOSE NEXT TO YOU? OH, COME ON IN.

HI, I'M SATURDAY JOE ANDERSON'S OFFICE.

AND FOR YOU, FOR THOSE THAT ARE HERE TODAY, THIS'LL BE ON TELEVISION TOMORROW NIGHT ON CHANNEL 24 AT 7:00 PM.

SO BE SURE AND TELL ALL YOUR FRIENDS AT ST KAREN'S

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AND UH, ALL OF THOSE IN THE ROOM.

TELL YOUR FRIENDS THAT ARE IN SCHOOL TO WATCH IT SO THEY CAN SEE HIM RECEIVE HIS AWARD AND SHAKE HANDS WITH THE CHIEF AND THE MAYOR AND EVERYBODY.

DO YOU, UM, DO YOU HAVE ANY FAMILY HERE? WHO'S HERE? WHO'S HERE? MY GRANDMA AND MY MOM AND MY BROTHER.

YOU GOTTA STAND UP AND SAY IT.

YOU CAN, YOU CAN FIST BUMP THESE GUYS.

WE DID THIS ONE TOO.

WOULD YOU HOLD THIS YOU'RE DONE.

AND NOW OUR SECOND PLACE WINNER FROM MADISON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, JANAE, JAMES COME ON IN.

AND AGAIN, SHE RECEIVED A $75 GIFT CARD AND FOUR TICKETS TO THE MIDWAY STANDING RIGHT HERE.

WELL THIS IS YOUR POSTER.

CAN YOU TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT IT? UM, THAT I MADE SURE THAT I DID THE LINES CORRECTLY BEFORE I DID ANYTHING.

AND THEN, UM, I ADD DETAIL TO MAKE IT, UM, A LITTLE BIT NICER.

WELL, IT LOOKS REALLY, REALLY NICE.

SO CLEAN.

I THINK YOU'RE GONNA BE AN ARCHITECT SOMETIME, HUH? OKAY.

UM, WHY CAN YOU HAVE MORE TO SAY IT? CONGRATULATIONS.

DO YOU HAVE ANY FAMILY HERE WITH YOU? WHO IS HERE? MY MOM, MY DAD, UM, MY BROTHER AND MY MOM'S SISTER.

CONGRATULATIONS, JOEL ANDERSON.

CAN YOU STAND UP? NOW THE STATE SENATOR HEARD ABOUT WHAT YOU DID AND HE SAID SOMETHING FOR YOU.

SO THIS IS RIGHT NEXT TO YOU.

BUT YOU'RE NOT DONE YET.

OUR STATE ASSEMBLY PERSON OR ALSO RANDY PROPEL HEARD ABOUT WHAT YOU DID AND SAID SOMEBODY THAT GIVE YOU ANOTHER CERTIFICATE.

OH, YOU WANT SOME PICTURES? OKAY.

OH, THERE WE GO.

THAT'S IT.

YEAH, THAT'S IT.

YOU DID A GOOD JOB.

CONGRATULATIONS TONIGHT.

WAIT, YOU HAVE TO COME SEE A HONDA.

ALL THE COUNCIL MEMBERS.

NOW THAT YOU'RE A CELEBRITY, THERE'S A PRICE OF FAME YOU'VE GOT TO DO.

YEAH.

NICE CAT EARS.

YOU KNOW THERE'S SOME THINGS YOU CAN DO IN YOUR KID THAT YOU JUST CAN'T DO IN YOUR DRY EYE HISTORY.

THIS IS YOURS TOO, SO, OKAY.

CAN YOU GET ALL THAT? OKAY.

AND COLORING THE PICTURES.

AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST IS OUR FIRST PLACE WINNER FROM OUR LADY OF GRAY SCHOOL EVE.

LET'S HEAR WHAT YOU WON.

YOU N I FEEL LIKE GAME SHOW HOST.

WHILE YOU CAN TELL US WHAT SHE'S WON, HE'S WON A $150 GIFT CARD.

WOW.

AND SIX PASSES TO THE MIDWAY MUSEUM.

WOW, THAT'S AMAZING.

ALL RIGHT, SO HERE'S, HERE'S THE WINNING POSTER.

YOU'VE GOT FIRST, THE VERY BEST.

WHAT DO YOU WANT TO SAY ABOUT THAT? WHAT HAPPENED? UM, I, I FIRST, I, MY DAD HELPED ME WITH THE POSTER AND HE SUPERVISED, I LOOKED, I LOOKED AT ALL THE ROOMS AND THEN, AND THEN I STARTED DRAWING

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AND THEN I DID THE DETAILS AND WHAT, AND WHAT WAS ALL THE THINGS THAT I DID ON IT.

AND, UM, ALL THE LAST THINGS I HAD TO DO AND I, I TRIED MY BEST SO, AND THAT I, I COLORED AFTER I DID ALL THE DRAWING AND THEN I WAS DONE.

PERFECT.

ARE YOUR PARENTS HERE AND EVERYBODY HERE FROM YOUR FAMILY? MY DAD AND MY, MY DAD'S FRIEND, MRS RODNICK.

CAN YOU GUYS DO THAT? KATE.

WELL, SOMEBODY IS HERE FROM SENATOR ANDERSON'S OFFICE TO GIVE YOU ANOTHER CERTIFICATE.

JOEL ANDERSON.

I PRESENT THE CERTIFICATE.

YAY.

CAN WE HOLD THAT ONE FOR YOU? I'LL HOLD THIS ONE FOR YOU.

DON'T BLOCK YOUR FACE NOW.

THERE YOU GO.

PERFECT.

AND THEN SOMEBODY WHO'S HERE FROM ASSEMBLYPERSON AT RAMBLY REPELS OFFICE.

NOW ELVIS IS GONNA CLAP FOR YOU AND THEN YOU'RE GONNA GO SAY HI TO ALL THE COUNCIL MEMBERS.

AND MAYOR.

SOMETHING INTERESTING IS THAT HER, I DIDN'T REALIZE, I THOUGHT THE NAME SOUNDED FAMILIAR THROUGH THE YEARS.

I'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR ALMOST 17 YEARS AND HER TWO OLDER SISTERS BOTH WON THE POSTER CONTEST IN THE YEARS THAT THEY WERE IN THIRD GRADE.

MY LEGACY HERE, I'LL GET THAT.

THIS IS YOURS AS PART OF THEIR PRICE WEDDINGS AS WELL.

IT WAS TO MEET THE MAYOR AND THE COUNCIL AND I THINK THAT THE KIDS WERE THRILLED ABOUT THAT.

THAT WAS PART OF THE PRIZE AND THEIR NEXT PRIZE THEY HAVE ON SUNDAYS WHEN THEY RIDE IN THE MOTHER GOOSE PARADE ABOARD THE FIRETRUCK WITH THE MAYOR AND I HAD A FIRE CHIEF SO THANK YOU TO ALL OUR PARTICIPANTS.

I THINK NEXT WE'RE GOING, NOW WE'RE GOING TO THE VETERAN OF THE YEAR.

NOW WE HAVE A PRESENTATION FOR A VETERAN OF THE YEAR.

MR. MARK GOODMAN, WOULD YOU JOIN US PLEASE AND DIRECTOR FRANK CARSON.

WILL YOU TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS? ABSOLUTELY.

SO I WANT TO INTRODUCE SOME MARK GOODMAN WHO YOU WERE ABLE TO MEET ON SUNDAY DURING VETERAN'S DAY.

UM, MARK HAS BEEN SELECTED AS THE VETERAN OF THE YEAR BY THE CITY OF L CONES VETERANS COMMISSION.

MARK SERVED IN THE U S ARMY ARMY NATIONAL GUARD AND US NAVAL RESERVE.

HE CURRENTLY SERVES AS AN ACTIVE MEMBER OF THE U S COAST GUARD AUXILIARY AND THE CALIFORNIA STATE MILITARY RESERVE.

UH, HE IS A COLLEGE PROFESSOR AT GROSSMONT COMMUNITY COLLEGE.

MARK IS AN ACTIVE MEMBER OF THE AMERICAN LEGION POST THREE OR THREE AND YOU SEE A LOT OF THEIR MEMBERS HERE TODAY AS WELL.

UM, HE IS A LIAISON TO THE VETERANS RESOURCE CENTER AND THE GROSSMONT COMMUNITY COLLEGE.

UH, HE HAS WORKED HARD THROUGHOUT HIS CAREER TO ASSIST STUDENT VETERANS IN MEETING THEIR ACADEMIC GOALS BY PROVIDING BOTH GUIDANCE AND DIRECTION.

AND I WANT TO SAY CONGRATULATIONS, MARK.

WE HAVE, UH, THE CHAIR OF THE VETERANS COMMISSION MACK MCFARLANE HERE TO PRESENT HIM WITH THE PERPETUAL PLAQUE AND THE AWARD FOR THIS MARK WILL ALSO BE IN THE MOTHER GOOSE PARADE IN HIS OWN VEHICLE, WAVING EVERYBODY AS THE OUTGOING VETERAN OF THE YEAR.

YOU COULD SEE US CAUSE IF WE CAN'T SEE YOU THEN WE CAN'T SEE YOUR FACE.

A COUPLE OF WORDS.

OH, THANK YOU.

UH, I'LL JUST KIND OF A, I GUESS A MIMIC, I GUESS WHAT I SAID ON SUNDAY AND THAT IS, YOU KNOW, UH, WHEN I STARTED DOING THINGS WITH COMMUNITY SERVICE AND WORKING WITH VETS, I CERTAINLY DIDN'T DO IT.

HAVING IN MIND OF WINNING ANY TYPE OF AN AWARD, I JUST DID IT BECAUSE IT NEEDED TO BE DONE.

AND THAT'S WHAT I'LL CONTINUE TO DO.

AND I'D LIKE TO THANK EVERYBODY WHO HAS HELPED ME ALONG THE WAY TO ENABLE ME TO DO THE THINGS THAT I'VE BEEN ABLE TO DO AND LIKE

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TO THANK MY FAMILY.

UH, GROSSMONT COLLEGE.

WE'VE GOT PEOPLE FROM GROSSMONT COLLEGE TODAY, UH, POST THREE OH THREE AMERICAN LEGION POST THREE OH THREE HERE IN EL CAHONE, UH, MEMBERS FROM THE CALIFORNIA STATE MILITARY RESERVE WHO ARE HERE.

SO, UH, EVERYBODY TO WIN THIS AWARD IS A GREAT HONOR.

AND FOR ME TO KNOW THAT MY NAME IS GOING TO BE ON A PLAQUE WITH, UH, INDIVIDUALS LIKE, UH, RAY MOODY, CHIEF RAY MOODY, WHO WAS THE FIRST RECIPIENT OF THIS WARD, UH, REALLY MEANS A LOT TO ME.

AND I GUESS I'LL HAVE TO TALK TO MONICA LATER TO FIND OUT HOW MANY MIDWAY TICKETS I WON.

LASTLY, WE HAVE A PROCLAMATION TO CELEBRATE THE 50TH ANNIVERSARY, SAN DIEGO STATE UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF PUBLIC AFFAIRS.

I'D LIKE TO INVITE DR SHERRY .

I AM THE DIRECTOR OF THE SCHOOL OF PUBLIC AFFAIRS AND THE GRADUATES OR STUDENTS OF THE PUBLIC AFFAIRS SCHOOL, THE JOINT US FOR A PICTURE IN FRONT OF THE DIOCESE AND WE HAVE A FEW CITY EMPLOYEES WHO HAVE GRADUATED FROM SDSU.

PLEASE JOIN US STANDING IN THE BACK ROW FOR THE PICTURES.

MONICA, WE READ THE PROCLAMATION.

YES, MAYOR.

THIS IS A PROCLAMATION FOR SAN DIEGO STATE UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF PUBLIC AFFAIRS 50TH ANNIVERSARY.

WHEREAS THE SCHOOL OF PUBLIC AFFAIRS OF THE COLLEGE OF PROFESSIONAL STUDIES AND FINE ARTS AT SAN DIEGO STATE UNIVERSITY IS CELEBRATING ITS 50TH ANNIVERSARY THIS YEAR.

THE SCHOOL OFFERS DEGREES IN PUBLIC ADMINISTRATION, CITY PLANNING AND CRIMINAL JUSTICE AND WHEREAS THE SCHOOL'S MISSION IS TO PROVIDE UNDERGRADUATE AND GRADUATE STUDENTS WITH A GENERALIST KNOWLEDGE, A PUBLIC NONPROFIT AND PRIVATE SECTOR ORGANIZATIONS.

AND TO EQUIP STUDENTS WITH THE SKILLS AND TECHNIQUES NECESSARY FOR EFFECTIVE AND ETHICAL LEADERSHIP ROLES IN A VARIETY OF POLITICAL AND SOCIAL ENVIRONMENTS.

AND WHEREAS THE HALLMARK OF THE SCHOOL AND ITS PROGRAMS HAS BEEN TO BLEND INTERDISCIPLINARY ACADEMIC RESEARCH CONCEPTS AND THEORIES WITH PRACTICAL APPLICATION AND WHEREAS THE SCHOOL OF PUBLIC AFFAIRS ALONG WITH SAN DIEGO STATE UNIVERSITY IS DEDICATED TO SUPPLYING THE REGION WITH WELL-EDUCATED, DIVERSE ETHICAL GRADUATES.

THE SCHOOL PLAYS A VITAL ROLE IN PREPARING THE FUTURE LOCAL GOVERNMENT LEADERS IN THE REGION.

WHEREAS SINCE ITS INCEPTION IN 1968 THE SCHOOL HAS HELPED APPROXIMATELY 25,000 STUDENTS EARN HIGHER EDUCATION DEGREES AND WHEREAS THE CITY OF EL CAHONE IS FORTUNATE TO HAVE 25 EMPLOYEES THAT CALL THEMSELVES SDSU ALUMNI AND 14 EMPLOYEES THAT HAVE EARNED A DEGREE FROM THE SCHOOL OF PUBLIC AFFAIRS.

NOW THEREFORE BILL WELLS MAYOR FOR THE CITY OF EL CAHONE TOGETHER WITH THE CITY COUNCIL TO HEREBY PROCLAIM THE YEAR 2018 TO BE THE 50TH ANNIVERSARY OF THE SCHOOL OF SAN DIEGO STATE, UNIVERSITY OF PUBLIC AFFAIRS OF COLLEGE PROFESSIONAL STUDIES AND FINE ARTS.

WE FURTHER PROCLAIMED THE CITY OF ELK, THE HONES ONGOING PARTNERSHIP WITH THE SCHOOL OF PUBLIC AFFAIRS AND ITS COMMITMENT TO PREPARE FUTURE GENERATIONS OF PUBLIC SECTOR EMPLOYEES SIGN THIS 13TH DAY OF NOVEMBER, 2018 NOW MIKE, WHAT DID YOU WANT US TO COME DOWN AND TAKE PICTURES THAT WE WANTED TO TAKE A GROUP SHOT OF? OKAY.

MR MAYOR, IF WE CAN HAVE ALL THOSE UH, EMPLOYEES THAT UH, WENT TO SAN DIEGO STATE TO COME ON DOWN AND THEN THOSE THAT WERE ACTUALLY ATTENDING THE SCHOOL OF PUBLIC AFFAIRS, IF THEY CAN STAND IN THE FRONT AND UH, DR SHERRY RYAN, UH, CHAIR OF THE DEPARTMENT IS HERE ALSO.

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THANK YOU FOR READING.

LIZ.

AND I KNOW THAT A LOT OF YOU ARE HERE FOR THE PRESENTATIONS AND IF YOU WANT TO MAKE YOUR WAY OUT, FEEL FREE TO DO THAT.

WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE OFF THE MEETING THOUGH.

UM, STAFF, DO

[ AGENDA CHANGES:]

YOU HAVE ANY AGENDA CHANGES? NO SIR.

COUNSEL MEMBERS, ANY AGENDA CHANGES THAT BRINGS US

[7. CONSENT ITEMS: Consent Items are routine matters enacted by one motion according to the RECOMMENDATION listed below. With the concurrence of the City Council, a Council Member or person in attendance may request discussion of a Consent Item at this time. ]

TO CONSENT ITEMS. COULD SET ITEMS OF ROUTINE MATTERS AND ACTED BY ONE MOTION ACCORDING TO THE RECOMMENDATION LIST OF BELOW WITH THE CONCURRENCE OF THE CITY COUNCIL COUNCIL MEMBER OR PERSON IN ATTENDANCE MAY REQUEST.

DISCUSSION OF A CONSENT ITEM AT THIS TIME.

COUNCIL MEMBERS, DO YOU WISH TO PULL ANY OF THE CONSENT ITEMS STAFF? PARDON ME? ANGELA, DO WE HAVE, UM, SPEAKER CARDS FOR CONSENT ITEMS? YES SIR.

WE HAVE TWO CARDS OR TWO ITEMS PULLED.

ITEM FIVE AND ITEM NINE.

THEY CAN'T TELL US WHAT THEY'RE FOR.

WHY DON'T WE, UH, CALL THE PERSON? UM, THE FIRST PERSON WHO DID ITEM FIVE, STEPHANIE HARPER.

WELL, IT WAS HARBOR WELCOME THOUGH.

I HAVEN'T BEEN HERE FOR A WHILE, SO OKAY, SO I'M THE ONE FOR BOTH ITEMS, SO I'LL JUST DO BOTH.

BOTH FIVE AND 11 THEN.

SO ITEM FIVE FIRST.

SO THE CITY WANTS TO SPEND OVER $170,000 TO PUT UP SOME GATES AT WELLS PARK.

THIS JUST SHOWS THE POOR JUDGMENT ON THOSE, ON THE PART OF THOSE WHO ARE RUNNING OUR CITY.

WE'RE, WHY ARE WE GOING TO WASTE THAT MONEY ON GATES? WHAT TO KEEP CITIZENS OUT OF THEIR PARK.

WHAT GOOD IS HAVING TO PARK 10 MINUTES AWAY IF WE CAN'T EVEN USE IT.

BUT THE CITY GETS GETS GRANTS FOR THAT.

THE CITY SHOULD BE USING THAT MONEY TO FIX THE SEWER PIPES THAT HAVE BEEN BROKEN FOR THE PAST TWO YEARS SO PEOPLE DON'T HAVE TO USE THOSE PORTABLE BATHROOMS THAT SMELL AND ARE NOT WELL MAINTAINED AND I'M SURE NONE OF YOU WOULD DARE TO USE ONE OF THOSE, BUT IT'S OKAY FOR EVERYBODY ELSE TOO.

BUT UNFORTUNATELY OUR CITY LEADERS DON'T THINK OF US.

THEY WOULD RATHER SPEND MONEY TO RENT A PORTABLE OFFICE TO PUT NEXT TO THE NON-WORKING BATHROOMS SO THEY CAN KEEP THEIR CAMPAIGN SUPPORTERS HAPPY BY USING THEIR SERVICES FOR NOTHING.

WHAT ABOUT THE FACT THAT THERE WAS NO LIGHTING IN THE PARKING LOT, WHICH LEADS TO A GREATER RISK OF CRIME? I REALLY WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE END RESULT OF THIS PROJECT IS.

IS IT THE HOMELESS PEOPLE WHO HANG OUT THERE BECAUSE THERE'S NO OTHER PLACE FOR THEM? SO BUILD A GATE INSTEAD OF A SHELTER.

TWO IMPORTANT THINGS I THINK THIS COUNCIL LACKS IS COMMON SENSE AND COMPASSION.

THAT WAS ITEM

[9. Extension of As-Needed Plan Check and Review Services RECOMMENDATION: That the City Council adopts the next resolution in order to authorize an amendment to the existing Agreement for Professional Services with Hunsaker & Associates San Diego, Inc. to extend for one-year in the annual amount of $50,000, with the option to renew for three additional one-year terms to be approved by the City Manager.]

NUMBER NINE.

SO WHEN I GET THE SPECIFICS FROM A DETAILED REPORT, I FEEL LIKE SOMETHING'S BEING HIDDEN.

LIKE SOME INFORMATION IS BEING WITHHELD FROM ME.

THAT'S A BIG RED FLAG THAT SOMETHING'S WRONG.

I BELIEVE THAT THIS IS A GREAT EXAMPLE OF THE WASTEFUL SPENDING.

WE NEED TO PUT A STOP IN OR STOP TO.

IN OKLAHOMA, THE CITY MANAGER WANTS TO SPEND $50,000 ON A SERVICE AGREEMENT TO ACCOMPANY FOR SERVICES.

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ALL THEY COULD MAKE OUT OF THE STAFF REPORT WAS PRIVATE PROJECTS.

SO THIS COMPANY IS GOING TO BE USED FOR PRIVATE PROJECTS.

THEN THEY SHOULD BE PRIVATELY FUNDED, NOT OUR MONEY BEFORE THE CITY JUST GIVES $50,000 OF OUR HARD EARNED DOLLARS TO A COMPANY THAT MAKES FIVE TO $10 MILLION A YEAR AND EMPLOYS A STAFF OF APPROXIMATELY 20 TO 49 PEOPLE.

WE SHOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO KNOW WHAT IT'S FOR.

I WANT ACCOUNTABILITY IN OUR CITY GOVERNMENT.

WE COULD BE USING THAT MONEY TO DO, TO REALLY DO SOME THINGS THE CITY NEEDS.

BUT INSTEAD YOU'D RATHER WASTE IT FOR A COMPANY THAT WE MAY OR MAY NOT NEED FOR PRIVATE PROJECTS THAT WILL ONLY BENEFIT PEOPLE WE DON'T KNOW.

SO THIS MONEY IS GIVEN.

SO BEFORE THIS MONEY'S GIVEN, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A REPORT OF WHAT THIS COMPANY HAS DONE BEFORE WE'VE PISSED.

I KNOW WE'VE USED IT SINCE THIS CONTRACT IS AN AMENDMENT TO AN ALREADY EXISTING AGREEMENT.

IF YOU CANNOT TELL US WHERE THE MONEY IS GOING, YOU SHOULDN'T BE ABLE TO SPEND IT.

WELL WOULD YOU LIKE TO ASK THAT QUESTION? YEAH.

I WOULD LOVE IT.

CAN YOU TELL ME A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HOW THIS MONEY'S BEING SPENT? PLEASE GROW.

CERTAINLY THERE'S A, WHEN WE HAVE PRIVATE CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS AROUND THE CITY, SOMETIMES THEY ARE OF A NATURE THAT UM, EITHER IT'S BEYOND STAFF'S CAPACITY, EITHER AN EXPERTISE OR JUST THE AMOUNT OF TIME.

SO WHAT WE DO IS WE ACTUALLY CHARGE THE PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT COMPANY AN ADDITIONAL FEE IN ORDER TO DO THESE INSPECTIONS.

UM, SOMETIMES THEY ARE WILLING TO PAY THIS FEE BECAUSE THEY'RE EXPEDITED OR THEIR SPECIALTY.

SO THESE, IN THIS INSPECTION WITH HUNSAKER IS NOT BEING PAID OUT OF GENERAL FUND MONEY.

IT'S ACTUALLY BEING PAID BY THE DEVELOPMENT COMPANIES.

WHAT THOSE PROJECTS ARE, WE DON'T KNOW BECAUSE THEY'RE, IT'S AN ON CALL CONTRACT.

SO AS THESE PROJECTS COME AVAILABLE, THEN WE HAVE THIS CONSULTANT ON CALL TO HANDLE THESE PROJECTS.

SEEMS REASONABLE.

SO IF THE MONEY'S BEING USED FROM CONTRACTORS, THEN HOW CAN WE HAVE IT IN FRONT OF OUR CITY COUNCIL FOR US TO PREP FOR YOU GUYS TO APPROVE? GREG, GO AHEAD AND ANSWER THAT QUESTION SURELY.

BECAUSE, UM, WE, WE'RE THE, WE ENDED UP BEING THE, THE MANAGERS OF THESE CON, THESE, THIS INSPECTOR, WE WOULDN'T WANT A COMPANY TO HIRE THEIR OWN INSPECTOR AND NOT KNOW HOW THEY'RE, WHAT THEIR QUALIFICATIONS ARE.

SO WE CONTRACT WITH THEM SO WE CAN SUPERVISE AND CONTROL THEIR WORK AND, UH, THE REPORT DIRECTLY TO US AND NOT THE PERSON THAT THERE'D BE THAT'S DOING, THAT'S BEING INSPECTED.

WE DON'T HAVE, WE DON'T HAVE ANY INSPECTORS ON STAFF THAT COULD DO THAT.

I THINK HE ALREADY ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION.

DID I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE PROVE CONSENT ITEMS MOVING? SECRETARY, PLEASE VOTE.

THAT BRINGS US TO PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS TIME.

[ PUBLIC COMMENT: At this time, any person may address a matter within the jurisdiction of the City Council/Housing Authority/Successor Agency to the El Cajon Redevelopment Agency that is not on the Agenda. Comments relating to items on today’s docket are to be taken at the time the item is heard. State law prohibits discussion or action on items not on the Agenda; however, Council, Authority and Agency Members may briefly respond to statements or questions. An item may be placed on a future Agenda.]

ANY PERSON OR THAT WE JUST DID THIS, DIDN'T WE? NO, NO, WE DIDN'T DO THAT.

IT'S JUST FELT LIKE PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS TIME, ANY PERSON MAY ADDRESS A MATTER WITHIN THE JURISDICTION OF CITY COUNCIL HOUSING AUTHORITY SUCCESSOR AGENCY TO THE ALCON REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY.

THAT IS NOT ON THE AGENDA.

STATE LAW PROHIBITS DISCUSSION OR ACTION ON ITEMS THAT ARE NOT ON THE AGENDA.

HOWEVER, CITY COUNCIL AND HOUSING AUTHORITY MEMBERS MAY BRIEFLY RESPOND TO STATEMENTS OR QUESTIONS AND AN ITEM MAY BE PLACED ON A FUTURE AGENDA.

ANGELA, DO WE HAVE ANY CARDS UNDER PUBLIC COMMENT? WE HAVE FOUR SPEAKERS AND THE FIRST ONE IS STEPHANIE HARPER.

WELCOME BACK.

YEAH, I USED TO SEE YOU GUYS AGAIN.

THERE ARE SO MANY ISSUES I WANT TO TOUCH UPON BUT I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TIME SO I'LL JUST BE QUICK WITH WHAT I CAN.

MR MAYOR, YOU SAT THERE AND LIED TO ALL OF US WHEN YOU WERE ASKED IF PAN HANDLING WAS AGAINST THE LAW YOU SAID NO, BUT ACCORDING TO THE OKLAHOMA MUNICIPAL CODE SECTION 9.7 5.0301 IT IS TO WHY ARE THE POLICE BEING ALLOWED TO HARASS THE HOMELESS? I'VE HEARD OF AT LEAST 10 DIFFERENT CASES OF THE POLICE TAKING HOMELESS PEOPLE'S BELONGINGS AND THEN TELLING THEM TO MOVE ON OR BE ARRESTED.

THAT SOUNDS LIKE A LAWSUIT TO ME.

IT SEEMS LIKE OKLAHOMA PD WOULD JUST RATHER PUSH THE PROBLEM OUT THAN DEAL WITH IT.

MAYBE WE SHOULD TALK TO PAT ROGERS AND NUMBER THREE I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW HOW BAD YOU LOOK WHEN YOU TAKE CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS FROM OWNERS OR ASSOCIATIONS OR MOBILE HOME PARKS THAT ARE RACING THE SPACE RENT ON OUR SENIORS LIVING ON FIXED INCOMES REASON IT'S SO HIGH THAT THESE PEOPLE ARE LOSING THEIR HOMES AND BEING PUT ON THE STREET.

I BELIEVE THAT IS A CONFLICT OF INTEREST TOWARDS THE CITIZENS WHO ARE BEGGING YOU TO HELP THEM.

SO FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO'VE BEEN SITTING THERE WHO LONGEST SHAME ON YOU, YOUR GREATEST SHOW AND BRENDA HAMMOND.

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HI BRENDA.

HI.

HAS EVERYONE NOTICED I'M WEARING I LOVE BUTTON.

SEE, THANK YOU MONICA.

UM, ANGER IS A NORMAL HUMAN REACTION TO HARASSMENT, HARASSING THE HOMELESS OR ANYONE ELSE FOR THAT MATTER SHOULD BE CONSIDERED CRIMINAL.

THEY ARE GOING TO BE A LOT OF HOMELESS BECAUSE OF THE FIRES.

PLEASE DON'T MESS WITH THESE PEOPLE FOR WHATEVER REASON THEY ARE HOMELESS.

PLEASE.

UM, BECAUSE LIKE BEFORE WHEN WE HAD THE FIRES RIGHT HERE IN EAST COUNTY, ALL OF A SUDDEN THERE WERE ALL THESE POP-UP CHURCHES EVERYWHERE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE FIRE VICTIMS, MESSING WITH THEM, DEPRESSING THEM TO THE POINT OF GIVING FOR THEM, GIVING INTO THE FAKE POP-UP CHURCHES BEING TOLD THEY HAD TO PRAY MORE OR GIVE THEIR TAXES AND INSURANCE TO THAT CHURCH.

ALL THEY WERE DOING WAS USING THE MONEY TO LIVE THE LIFE OF LUXURY, ALL THE WHILE HAVING A TAX EXEMPT PLACE TO LIVE, TAX FREE.

PLEASE DON'T LET THIS HAPPEN AGAIN.

AND PLEASE LOOK AROUND YOU BECAUSE SOME OF SOME OF THESE POP-UP CHURCHES ARE DOING THIS FRAUD ALL AROUND YOU WITH THE HOMELESS WE ALREADY HAVE ESPECIALLY THE VETERANS AND YES THAT GOES FOR SOME OF THE COUNTY PEEPS AS WELL, MAKING PEOPLE ANGRY OR WHATEVER EMOTION OF THE OF CHOICE FOR THAT DAY OR WEEK SO THAT PROGRAMS CAN BE CREATED FOR JOB SECURITY THAT ARE USUALLY AFFILIATED WITH THE POPUP CHURCHES THEY CAN QUEUE.

RUTH THORTON STARTED WELCOME AFTERNOON.

I FIRST WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT I WENT TO THE VETERAN'S DAY PROGRAM ON SUNDAY AND IT WAS A WONDERFUL PROGRAM.

ALL OF THE COMMENTS THAT STEVE AND BOB AND MR MAYOR THAT YOU MADE WERE APPROPRIATE AND THAT WAS SOMETHING REALLY GOOD FOR THE CITY AND I APPRECIATE YOUR EFFORTS ON THAT.

I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING AND WELLS PARK.

I HAVE RECENTLY HEARD THAT SOME PEOPLE WHO BOUGHT HOMES IN THAT AREA WERE TOLD THAT BY JANUARY OF 2018 IMPROVEMENTS WOULD START ON WELLS PARK.

AND I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD SINCE 1976 AND WELLS PARK HAS ALWAYS BEEN VERY IMPORTANT TO MY FAMILY.

AND TO ME WE USE THE BOYS CLUB.

WE HAD BIRTHDAYS THERE, WE WERE THERE A LOT.

AND I THINK IT'S REALLY SAD THAT THAT PARK IS COMPLETELY UNUSABLE.

IT'S A DISGRACE TO OUR CITY.

SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH UP PARK AND WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN TO THE HOMELESS WHO ARE THERE RIGHT NOW? WE'RE NOT REALLY SUPPOSED TO RESPOND TO QUESTIONS, BUT I COME UP TWICE.

IT'S OKAY GRAHAM.

IT'S COME UP TWICE.

CAN YOU GIVE US A LITTLE OVERVIEW WHAT'S HAPPENING? IT WAS PARK CERTAINLY WE, UM, EARLIER THIS YEAR WE COMPLETED PHASE ONE OF THE IMPROVEMENTS AT THAT WHICH WERE TO INSTALL SOME FENCING AROUND THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB TEEN CENTER, UH, FOR SOME ADDITIONAL SECURITY FOR THEM.

WE ALSO INSTALLED SOME PARKING LIMITATIONS IN THE PARKING LOT SO IT DOESN'T BECOME A PLACE FOR CAMPING.

UM, AND LASTLY, WE INSTALLED RED CURB ALONG THE PARK.

UH, SO I GUESS ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF MADISON TO PREVENT OVERNIGHT PARKING THERE.

SO THOSE ARE SORT OF THE LOW HANGING FRUITS.

WE'VE ALSO INITIATED AN IMPROVEMENT OF THE SEWER LATERAL, WHICH UM, UH, SHOULD BE COMPLETED AS I'M HEARING IS ABOUT 90% COMPLETED IN THE RESTROOMS WILL BE OPEN BY THE END OF THIS MONTH.

AND SO THE PORTA-POTTIES WILL BE REMOVED.

SO WE'RE ALMOST COMPLETED WITH THAT PHASE OF THE PROJECT.

UM, THE COUNCIL JUST NOW IN THE PREVIOUS AGENDA ITEM APPROVED THE CONTRACT FOR THE GATES AND THE FENCE.

THE FENCE WILL, UM, AND THE GATE WILL HELP US KEEP THE PARK SECURE AT NIGHTTIME DURING NON PARK HOURS WHEN PEOPLE SHOULDN'T BE IN THE PARK.

UM, AND IT'LL ALSO JUST PROVIDE AN ADDITIONAL PROTECTION FOR FAMILIES THAT WANT TO BE IN THE PARK.

SO THAT'S THE NEXT PHASE.

AND THEN WE CURRENTLY ARE PUTTING OUT A REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL FOR A COMPANY THAT WILL COME IN AND DEVELOP SOCCER FIELDS.

SO THAT'S SORT OF THE THIRD, THE THIRD PHASE OF THE PROJECT.

WE HAVE LIGHTS AND CAMERAS AND PARK RANGERS AS WELL.

SO THE PARK RANGERS HAVE BEEN HIRED.

THEY'RE CURRENTLY GOING THROUGH THEIR REQUIRED STATE REQUIRED TRAINING.

THEY'RE ALMOST COMPLETED THROUGH THAT TRAINING AND THEY WILL HAVE A PARK RANGER

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IN THE PARK.

UM, WILL AS PART OF THAT, WE'RE ACTUALLY GONNA RE RECLAIM A PORTION OF THE TEEN CENTER.

AND SO HIS AND HER OFFICES WILL BE ACTUALLY IN THE WHAT'S NOW THE TEEN CENTER AND WE'LL HAVE MORE OF A POLICE PRESENCE IN THE PARK BECAUSE OF THAT.

UM, AND THEN WE'RE ALSO DOING JUST MORE PROGRAMMING IN THE PARK AND, AND AS WAS ALLUDED TO EARLIER, WE ARE, WE ARE DOING, UM, ENFORCEMENT OF THE CITY'S MUNICIPAL CODES IN THE PARK AND UM, WE'RE HOPING THAT WILL, UH, SHOW SOME IMPROVEMENT SOON.

GRAHAM, THANK YOU VERY MUCH MAN.

DOES THAT ANSWER SOME OF YOUR QUESTIONS? YES.

I JUST THINK THAT MAYBE SOMEHOW THIS INFORMATION NEEDS TO GET OUT TO THE PEOPLE, ESPECIALLY THE PEOPLE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.

THEY DON'T SEEM TO ACKNOWLEDGE ANY OF THIS.

UH, MAYBE WHAT WE COULD DO IS A, A TOWN HALL IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AND A HAVE DISCUSSION, LET'S CRAM, LET'S SET THAT, SET THAT UP TO DO A TOWN HALL THERE.

AND, UM, I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU COMING AND REMINDING US OF THIS CAUSE WE'RE SO BUSY IN THE MIDDLE OF ALL THIS.

SOMETIMES WE FORGET THAT OTHER PEOPLE DON'T KNOW ALL OF THE THINGS WE'RE DOING.

RIGHT.

WELL, AND MY OTHER COMMENT WAS WHY AREN'T WE HAVING TOWN HALL MEETINGS? I KNOW THAT MY AREA DOESN'T HAVE A COUNCIL REPRESENTATIVE, BUT I KNOW I WENT TO ONE OF STEVE'S ONE TIME AND AT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT THEY USED TO HAVE MEETINGS.

I WENT TO .

YEAH, WE'VE HAD, I'VE HAD SEVERAL, BUT I'D BE GLAD TO HAVE ONE YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

THAT WOULD BE WONDERFUL.

WE'RE ON SOUTH ORANGE BY CHASE.

YOU'VE BEEN THERE BEFORE, SO, YES MA'AM.

ABSOLUTELY.

OUR LAST SPEAKER IS JIM CITY.

GLENNA, SIR, WELCOME THERE COUNCIL STAFF.

UH, JUST REAL QUICKLY, THE FIRST SIDE OF I'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT IS OUR APPLICATION FOR THE RENT MEDIATION, WHICH DID OCCUR ON NOVEMBER 9TH.

AND A, A QUICK UPDATE.

WE'RE WAITING TO HEAR FROM THE, UH, THE MEDIATOR HIMSELF.

HE'S GOING TO BE SENDING US A LETTER.

IT'S GOING TO BE AN ONGOING THING RIGHT NOW.

NOT SO MUCH WITH, UH, WITH THE CITY, BUT THERE'S A LITTLE WIGGLE ROOM COMING HERE.

SO HOPEFULLY BY THE END OF JANUARY WE'LL KNOW A LITTLE BIT MORE.

UH, JUST BEFORE I CAME INTO THE, UH, THE CHAMBER TODAY, I GOT AN EMAIL, UH, MR. MITCHELL FROM YOUR EXECUTIVE ASSISTANT, UH, ACCEPTING MY INVITATION TO SPEAK WITH YOU AND, UH, I'LL GET BACK TO HER AND I PREFER THE NINE O'CLOCK MEETING.

SO, BUT THANK YOU VERY MUCH AGAIN AND THANK YOU FOR LETTING US GO THROUGH WITH THIS MEDIATION PROCESS.

UH, RIGHT NOW WHAT I WANT TO SPEAK TO, I WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND THIS IS WITHOUT ANY ANGER OR AGGRESSIVENESS, BUT I'M ASHAMED AFTER THE LAST CITY COUNCIL MEETING, WHICH WAS A CULMINATION OF A LOT OF MEETINGS, WHAT WAS SAID BY A PARTICULAR GENTLEMAN WHO SHOULD HAVE BEEN USHERED OUT OF THIS COUNCIL FOR WHAT HE SAID ABOUT A COUNCILMAN AND EVEN HIS WIFE AND THE LANGUAGE THAT HE USED.

AND THAT'S, THAT'S A FACT.

WE ARE ALL HERE TO, TO WITNESS THAT.

UH, I JUST CAME ACROSS A NEW WORD CALLED THE MERIT AMERITAS MERIT TO CRUSTY.

AND WHAT IT IS BASICALLY IS TO JUST EXTREME TRUTHFULNESS, TRUTHFULNESS AND TRANSPARENCY.

AND I CAN'T STRESS THAT ENOUGH AND IT'S ALL OF OUR RESPONSIBILITY.

A LOT OF BUSINESSES ARE STARTING TO USE THIS HERE.

UM, ONLY BECAUSE THEIR CEOS OR THEIR BOSSES SAFE.

WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS.

I THINK IT COULD BE USED EVEN IN THIS, IN OUR CITY BY ITSELF.

UH, NO MATTER WHETHER YOU'RE A GOOD FAMILY PERSON, A POLITICIAN AND EVANGELICAL THE CHRISTIAN OR WHATEVER, BOTH PARTIES HAVE TO BE WILLING TO ACCEPT THIS HERE TO MEET AND LOOK AT EACH OTHER'S WEAKNESSES AND STRENGTHS.

IT WORKS.

I CAN'T GO TOO MUCH INTO IT RIGHT NOW, BUT, UH, IT'S SOMETHING NEW AND UH, IF ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO KNOW MORE ABOUT IT, YOU CAN GOOGLE THE WORD.

BUT UH, IN LIGHT OF EVERYTHING AND LIKE I SAID, UH, I WOULD HOPE THAT GOING ON THIS CITY COUNCIL, THESE HAVE A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT TONE.

I REALIZED IT WAS THE ELECTION SEASON THAT WAS GOING ON, BUT I WAS REALLY A LITTLE BIT ASHAMED OF WHAT WENT ON AS A PERSONAL PERSON.

AND I THINK THAT IN LIGHT OF THE SEASON COMING UP NOW, YOU KNOW, I WISH EVERYBODY A GOOD THANKSGIVING GIVING AND BRING OUT THE BETTER ANGELS IN ALL OF US.

I'M SURE YOU HEARD THAT EXPRESSION.

WE REALLY NEED IT IN THIS CITY COUNCIL

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AND I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU SIR.

I THINK, UH, I THINK YOU'RE 100% RIGHT AND, UH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT AUTHORITY WE HAVE TO THROW SOMEBODY OUT OF A PUBLIC MEETING.

WE'D HAVE TO ASK OUR CITY ATTORNEY, BUT IT WAS TOTALLY INAPPROPRIATE AND A VULGAR AND IT SHOULD NEVER HAVE HAPPENED.

AND I AGREE WITH YOU 100% AND I THINK ALL OF THE COUNCIL UP HERE WOULD HAVE TO AGREE WITH WHAT YOU SAID.

AND, UH, MARGAIN DO WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO THAT? HOWEVER, SINCE THE POLICE ARE HERE TO USHER SOMEBODY OUT BECAUSE OF THEIR INAPPROPRIATENESS, WE DO HAVE CERTAIN RULES OF DECORUM IN OUR MUNICIPAL CODE.

UH, THAT GENTLEMEN KATAS KIND OF ALL, UH, OFF BALANCE AND, UH, FINALLY GOT THE MICROPHONE TURNED OFF.

UM, HE SHOULD BE WARNED, OBVIOUSLY THAT THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE A RE THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE A REPEAT PERFORMANCE OF THAT SORT OF THING.

UM, WE HAVE TO VERY, VERY CAREFUL, CAREFUL ABOUT STOPPING THE FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS, BUT THAT WHEN, WHEN BEYOND THE, UH, UH, THE GROUNDS OF DECENCY I THINK.

AND SO WE WILL HAVE TO BE MORE VIGILANT IN THE FUTURE.

AND I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING YOU SAID ABOUT THAT.

COUNCILMAN.

ANYTHING ELSE? NO, I THANK YOU SIR.

CITIZENS OF EL CAHONE BY A LITTLE BIT, UH, BECAUSE IT WOULD MAKE THEM, UH, A LITTLE MORE EFFICIENT.

ANY MORE CARDS? NO MORE CARDS, SIR.

ALRIGHT, SO THERE ARE NO WRITTEN COMMUNICATIONS OFF TODAY'S AGENDA AND WE

[10. Delinquent Refuse Collection Charges RECOMMENDATION: That the City Council: Opens the Public Hearing and considers public testimony; Closes the Public Hearing; Adopts the next RESOLUTIONS, in order, confirming the list of property owners as delinquent in the payment of their mandatory trash service bills; and, Authorizes the City Clerk to record the amount owed as a lien on the property and forward a list to the County Tax Assessor for billing on the next property tax bill.]

ARE NOW PUBLIC HEARINGS.

ITEM 10 IS FOR DELINQUENT REFUSE COLLECTION CHARGES AND STAFF.

TELL US ABOUT THIS PLACE.

GOOD AFTERNOON MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

IT'S MY PLEASURE TO ADDRESS YOU THIS AFTERNOON TO DISCUSS, UH, DELINQUENT REFUGE CHARGES.

UH, THE CITY WORKS REALLY HARD, UH, WITH THE RESIDENTS TO WHITTLE THIS DOWN TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY WHO HAS PAID, UM, IS NOT BEING CONSIDERED TODAY.

AND IN FACT, AS OF TODAY, UH, WE HAVE SOME NEW DATA, UH, AS OF THE DATE OF THE, UH, AGENDA REPORT.

THERE WERE 251 DELINQUENT ACCOUNTS ON THE REFUGE CHARGES OR TRASH CHARGES, IF YOU WILL.

AND SO SINCE THAT 40 HAVE PAID AND THAT LEAVES HUNDRED 11 OUTSTANDING ACCOUNTS AND THAT TOTAL BALANCE IS 34,000, $680 AND 13 CENTS.

SO WE'RE WORKING HARD, UH, TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WORK WITH THE RESIDENTS TO GET THIS DONE.

IT'S IMPORTANT TO RECOGNIZE THAT EVERY RESIDENT, EVERY BUSINESS IS REQUIRED TO HAVE SOME FORM OF TRASH SERVICE, REFUSE SERVICE.

AND THAT THAT KIND OF STANDS TO REASON.

UM, IF WE DIDN'T, WE COULD GET INTO A SITUATION WHERE WE HAVE, UM, UH, A PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY ISSUE, WHERE WOULD PEOPLE PUT THEIR TRASH? AND SO WE, WE HAVE THIS, WE'VE GONE OUT TO BID, WE HAVE WORKED WITH WASTE MANAGEMENT FOR YEARS AND UM, THEY ARE THE SELECTED WASTE HAULER AS OF RIGHT NOW.

AND THEY HAVE A FRANCHISE HERE SO THAT A, WE DON'T HAVE 50 TRASH TRUCKS DRIVING UP AND DOWN EVERY STREET.

AND SO FOR THAT REASON, IF WE KIND OF LEFT IT OPEN, OUR STREETS WOULD GET WORN OUT A LOT FASTER.

YOU CAN IMAGINE NOW THAT PEOPLE ARE COLLECTING TRASH, RECYCLING AND YARD WASTE.

THAT'S THREE DIFFERENT CANS PER HAULER PER WEEK.

IT COULD JUST REALLY ADD UP AND IT DOES HAVE A, HAVE A WEAR AND TEAR ON OUR, ON OUR STREETS.

AND FOR MANY OTHER REASONS, UH, WE HAVE THIS FRANCHISE AND SO RIGHT NOW IT IS WITH A WASTE MANAGEMENT.

AND UM, SO BEFORE YOU, TODAY IS THE FINAL LIST AS OF TODAY AND THAT'S WHAT'S FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.

YEAH, BILL.

THANK YOU BOB.

AND ONE THING A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE THE CITIZENS OF EL CAHONE THAT IF YOUR TRASH CAN OR THE WASTE CAN OR RECYCLE OR GREEN WASTE IS NOT GOING TO BE FULL AND YOU'RE, YOU REALLY DON'T NEED IT UNTIL THE NEXT WEEK.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO PUT IT OUT BECAUSE THAT WILL CUT THE COST OF WASTE MANAGEMENT FROM PICKING UP THOSE EXTRA A THIRD OF THE FOOT WAY OR QUARTER OF THE WAY FULL AND A SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO MAKE THAT STOP.

AND IT WILL EVENTUALLY LOWER THE COST OF THE OVERALL TO THE CITY, WHICH WE DON'T PUT OUR HOURS OUT EVERY WEEK.

WE DIDN'T PUT ANY AMOUNT THIS LAST WEEK.

SO, UM, IF YOU DON'T HAVE A VERY LARGE FAMILY, YOU DON'T NEED TO PUT THEM OUT EVERY WEEK.

SO IF THIS PUBLIC WOULD DO THAT, THAT WOULD, UH, ACTUALLY LOWER THE COST FOR THE

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SO A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE THAT.

ONE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE, I'VE NOTICED, UM, SOME OF THE ILLEGAL DUMPING OF FURNITURE AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

DO WE HAVE ANY CONTROL OVER THAT? UM, OR WHAT'S, I KNOW A, THERE'S THE ANALLY BEHIND SECOND STREET, UM, BETWEEN, UM, UM, SPROUTS AND UH, THE, UM, THE OTHER END, THE NORTH END, AND THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF FURNITURE LAYING IN THE ALLEY OUT THERE.

WHAT, WHAT REMEDY DO WE HAVE FOR THAT? BECAUSE IT'S JUST AN EYESORE AND UM, SOMEBODY MIGHT GET HURT.

PROBABLY THE EASIEST REMEDY IS IF YOU CALL WASTE MANAGEMENT AND THEY'LL COME OUT AND PICK OUT LARGE ITEMS A COUPLE OF TIMES A YEAR, ISN'T IT? TWICE, THREE, FOUR TIMES A YEAR.

WOW.

SO THESE HAD BEEN HERE FOR AWHILE, BUT IT'D BE IF, IF YOU ARE IN A SITUATION WHERE YOU HAVE AN OLD COUCHER UP AND OLD APPLIANCE THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO GET RID OF, YOU DON'T HAVE TO DROP BEHIND THE ALLEY.

YOU CAN CALL WASTE MANAGEMENT.

THEY'LL COME AND PICK IT UP FOR YOU.

WELL, I REALIZE THAT, BUT UH, THESE ARE JUST OUT IN THE ALLEY AND THEY DON'T BELONG TO ANYBODY.

WE GET THOSE TOTAL WEIGHT STAFF.

WE DO.

WE JUST HAVE TO KNOW ABOUT THEM.

SO NOW THAT WE KNOW ABOUT IT, WE'LL TAKE CARE OF IT.

SO, UM, COUNSEL, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS OR THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN? ANGELA, DO YOU HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS ON THIS? YES SIR.

WE HAVE ONE CARD AND IT'S MR JOHN YANCEY, SIR.

WELCOME.

HELLO MARIN COUNCIL.

LET'S SEE, GLASSES ON HERE.

UM, I'M RESPONDING IN MY NOTICE TO APPEAR BECAUSE OF MY DELINQUENT ACCOUNT.

UM, APPARENTLY I, I PAID MY BILL IN FULL AND WAS GOT ANOTHER BILL FOR AN ADDITIONAL 8% PENALTY FROM WASTE MANAGEMENT AND I DIDN'T KNOW HOW THIS IS CALCULATED.

SO I INQUIRED WITH MR DIRKSON AND, AND UH, OTHERS HOW, HOW THIS WHOLE THING WORKS.

UH, I PHONED THIS PROPERTY WITH FOUR SMALL UNITS ON IT, ON DENSE STET PLACE FOR ABOUT 15 YEARS.

UH, ALL THAT ABOUT 12 YEARS.

FIRST 12 YEARS, WE HAD, UH, ONLY, UM, HALF THE NUMBER OF TRASH CANS THAT WE DO NOW BECAUSE I, UH, IN 1116, I RECEIVED AN EMAIL FROM WASTE MANAGEMENT INC THAT SAID THAT THEY REVISE THEIR BILLING SO THAT PEOPLE COULD UNDERSTAND IT.

SO I LOOKED AT IT AND I NOTICED THAT THEY WERE CHARGING ME DOUBLE THE COST OF THE TH THE DOUBLE, THE NUMBER OF TRASH CANS.

SO I CALLED HIM, I SAID, YOU'VE BEEN CHARGED ME DOUBLE FOR LIKE 12 YEARS.

I WANT MY MONEY BACK.

AND THEY SAID, OKAY, WE ADMIT IT, WE'RE WRONG.

WE'LL REFUND MONEY AND REDUCE YOUR FUTURE BILL FIND SOLUTION.

EXCEPT THEY DIDN'T DO THAT.

WHAT THEY DID IS BROUGHT DOUBLE THE NUMBER OF TRASH CANS AND CRE KEPT MY BILL HIGHER THAN IT NEEDS TO BE.

SO WE'VE GOT WAY MORE TRASH CANS THAN WE NEED EVER NEED FOR THESE FOUR SMALL UNITS.

AND, AND THE, AND THE, UH, THEY REFUSED PAY ME BACK THE MONEY THAT THEY OWED ME FOR THE PAST 12 YEARS.

SO I ASKED HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE? SO I, I INQUIRED ABOUT GETTING ANOTHER SERVICE, BUT I CAN'T BECAUSE THEY HAVE SUCH AN EXCLUSIVE CONTRACT, THEY HAVE A MONOPOLY ON THE CITY OF L CONE.

YOU CAN'T USE ANOTHER SERVICE.

THAT'S CRAZY.

EVEN THOUGH IT VIOLATES THE STATE BUILDING CODE, A 1677 ARTICLE TOO.

IN THE CONTRACT IT SAYS THERE FLOWS TO REPAIR ANY ROAD DAMAGE.

SO I, I HAD THE JUDGE WEIGH IN ON IT AND THEY FOUND IN MY FAVOR FOR ABOUT $8,000.

I GAVE IT TO WASTE MANAGEMENT.

THEY REFUSED TO PAY IT.

IT'S, THAT'S HOW I GOT THE CONTRACT THAT YOU HAVE WITH WASTE MANAGEMENT AND IT SAYS YOU HAVE THIS EXCLUSIVE CONTRACT CREATED MONOPOLY AND IN 2.4 2.6 SAYS THAT, UH, THE, UH, DELEGATION OF ACTIVITY OF REVENUE IS NOT DISCLOSED.

APPARENTLY THE CITY OF EL CAHONE GETS A F, STARTS OUT WITH A 15% KICKBACK OR COMMISSION OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT.

AND THEN IT'S INCREASED 3% EVERY YEAR.

SO THERE'S SOME AMOUNT OF MY BILL THAT'S BEING PAID TO THE CITY OF SAN DIEGO.

APPARENTLY ATTACKS THAT ISN'T DISCLOSED ON MY BILL.

WHY IS THAT? AND SO I ASKED HIM, I ASKED MR EPSTEIN IF I COULD RECEIVE AN AUDIT.

APPARENTLY IF YOU'RE RECEIVING MONEY FROM WASTE MANAGEMENT, IT SHOULD BE A PUBLICLY DISCLOSED, SHOULD BE TRANSPARENT.

THERE SHOULD BE AN AUDIT.

I SHOULD KNOW HOW MUCH THAT IS.

IT ISN'T THERE.

ALSO THE,

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THEY'VE PUT BIG RUTS INTO RIGHT IN FRONT OF MY PROPERTY FROM DRIVING UP AND DOWN AND I'VE ASKED FOR THAT REPAIR.

THEIR CONTRACT THAT YOU HAVE SAYS THERE TO PAY FOR THAT REPAIR.

IT DOESN'T COST THE CITY ANYTHING.

WASTE MANAGEMENT'S SUPPOSED TO PAY FOR IT.

THEY DON'T DO IT.

THEN THEY'RE ALSO, THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE THE, THE NAME OF THE ENTITY OR THE BUSINESS IN BIG LETTERS ON THEIR TRUCKS.

THREE INCH OR BIGGER.

IT SAYS WASTE MANAGEMENT, BUT APPARENTLY THEY HAVE ALL THESE NUTSHELLS SUB CORPORATIONS.

THERE'S LIKE 10 OF THEM THAT ALL HAVE THE SAME PROCESS SERVICE ADDRESS AND THEY, IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE TRYING TO EVADE RESPONSIBILITY WITH ALL THESE CRAZY CORPORATION NAMES, BUT IT SAYS THE CITY IS SUPPOSED TO RESOLVE THE DISPUTES.

SO I'M HERE TO RESOLVE THE DISPUTE AND I, I'VE, I DID MORE RESEARCH ON WASTE MANAGEMENT AND DISCOVERED THEY'RE THE MOST, ONE OF THE MOST UNETHICAL COMPANIES THAT EXIST.

THEY HAVE HUNDREDS OF COMPLAINTS IN THE COUNTY AND THEY CHEATED THEIR OWN STOCKHOLDERS AND WERE FOUND GUILTY BY THE SEC AND HAD TO PAY MILLIONS OF DOLLARS BACK TO THEIR OWN STOCKHOLDERS.

IT MAKES ME WONDER HOW DID THEY GET SELECTED BY THE CITY OF EL CAHONE FOR THIS CONTRACT? YOU KNOW, DOES ANYBODY VET THEM OR HOW DOES, I MEAN I USED EDCO AND THEN A AND OTHER IN THERE SEEM PRETTY FAIR.

I'M GOING TO START TO ANSWER SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS.

I'VE HAD NUMEROUS CONVERSATIONS.

UM, FIRST OFF, YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT THERE IS A NEW CONTRACT COMING UP NEXT YEAR AND MANY COMPANIES WILL BE BIDDING FOR THAT CONTRACT AND THE PUBLIC WILL HAVE A CHANCE TO COME IN AND WEIGH IN ON WHO WE SHOULD SELECT.

SO IS THERE A PUBLIC HEARING ON THAT? I MEAN, SO I CAN COME AND SEE YOUR ANALYSIS OF HOW YOU SELECT A COMPANY.

YOU CAN, YES.

YOU CAN WEIGH IN AND ALL OF THAT.

AS FAR AS THE LEGALITIES, I, I'M GOING TO DEFER TO MY CITY ATTORNEY, BUT THIS, I DON'T WANT TO TURN THIS INTO A WORKSHOP.

THEY MIGHT BE BETTER AT SOME POINTS, UH, TO MEET WITH THE STAFF ONE-ON-ONE AND TRY TO, CAUSE THERE'S A LOT, THERE'S A LOT HERE GOING ON THAT YEAH, THERE'S A LOT GOING ON AND I, I'M NOT TRYING TO DIMINISH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

IT'S ALL IN MY CONTRACT THAT YOU SIGNED WITH THEM HERE.

FAIRLY TECHNICAL.

I'M NOT SURE THAT THIS IS THE TIME OR THE PLACE TO GET INTO THE MINUTIA OF THIS.

WELL, I'VE, YOU KNOW, I'D STARTED THIS, THIS JOURNEY A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, YOU KNOW, AND THE, THE, THIS, THE JUDGMENT WAS A YEAR AGO AND I'VE HAD NUMEROUS EMAILS WITH WASTE MANAGEMENT AND MR EPPERSON, ALL THE CITY PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, NO SATISFACTION, NO ONE'S TAKING RESPONSIBILITY.

HAVE YOU MET PERSONALLY WITH THE, THE STAFF? WHAT HAVE YOU HAD PERSONALLY WITH ANY OF THE CITY STAFF? I MEAN, I HAVEN'T GONE TO THEIR OFFICE AND TALK TO THEM.

YEAH, I'VE COME TO THE OFFICE, BUT I HAVEN'T, I'VE, I'VE MOSTLY EMAILED MS , MR TO SET UP AN OPPORTUNITY FOR HIM TO COME IN AND, AND WORK ALL THIS OUT.

AND YEAH, I'VE HEARD, I'VE HEARD, I'VE HEARD THE ARGUMENTS.

HE, IN FACT, HE ARTICULATED THEM JUST MOMENTS AGO.

THEY DON'T WANT MANY DIFFERENT COMPANIES DRIVING AROUND.

IT'S PRETTY COMMON FOR SMALLER CITIES TO DO THAT.

BUT YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE CHEATING THE PUBLIC, THEY NEED TO BE OUT OF THERE.

WELL I AND YOU AND IF I'M HOME, IF I'M PAYING TAXES TO YOU TOO, TO PROTECT THE PUBLIC.

THAT'S THE NO, THAT'S THE ONE PART THAT I HAVE TO DEFER TO THE, TO THE CITY MANAGER AT THIS POINT I THINK, I THINK THE PUBLIC SHOULD BE AWARE OF THIS.

I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ISN'T JUST ME THAT'S BEING CHEATED.

IT'S THE WHOLE, IT'S THE WHOLE THING CITY THAT'S BEING CHEATED BY THESE GUYS.

SO YOU KNOW, TWO THINGS I WANT TO DO.

ONE IS LET YOU ADDRESS IT TO SOME DEGREE RIGHT NOW, BUT THEN REALLY I'D LIKE TO SET UP A MEETING WHERE YOU CAN COME INTO THE OFFICE AND DISCUSS ALL THESE ISSUES IN DETAIL A LITTLE.

IF YOU DON'T WANT TO, THAT'S OKAY.

IT DOESN'T GO ANYWHERE.

I MEAN IF IT, IF IT HAS SOME POSITIVE RESULTS.

I MEAN I HAVE THE JUDGE SAID WASTE MANAGEMENT, YOU OWE ME 8,000 BUCKS.

YEAH, THEY'VE GOT THE NOTICE.

WHAT? WHAT? WHAT DOES IT TAKE TO ENFORCE THAT? I HAVE NO AUTHORITY OVER WASTE MANAGEMENT OR JUDGMENTS.

IT SAYS IN THE CONTRACT THAT YOU DO.

I, I DO NOT.

I CANNOT FORCE VOICE MANTRAS, PAY YOUR JUDGMENT.

BUT I'M GOING TO, AND IF YOU, IF YOU, THERE'S A LEGAL ARGUMENT, IT'S 18.4 OF YOUR COUNTRY.

YOU BELIEVE THAT THERE'S A LEGAL ARM.

I ENCOURAGE YOU TO COME IN AND SPEAK WITH THE CITY AND THE CITY ATTORNEY AND THEY CAN HELP YOU.

BUT I CAN'T DO IT IN A PUBLIC MEETING.

IT'S, THIS WOULD TAKE THREE OR FOUR HOURS.

OKAY, WELL I WOULD LIKE A RESULT AND I'D LIKE TO YOU TO TELL ME HOW THAT WORKS.

STAFF IS ALWAYS AVAILABLE TO MEET WITH RESIDENTS ABOUT ISSUES THAT WE CAN SOLVE, BUT, BUT WE CAN'T, AS YOU INDICATED, GET INVOLVED WITH A, UM, A CIVIL DISPUTE BETWEEN A RESIDENT AND A CORPORATION.

I THINK THE BEST WAY IS TO COME IN AND HAVE A, HAVE A MEETING WITH, WITH GRAHAM MITCHELL.

YOU CAN GO AND LEAVE YOUR, YOUR PHONE NUMBER AND HE'LL CALL YOU AND SET ONE UP.

AND IF YOU DON'T, IF YOU DON'T GET SATISFACTION, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO COME BACK AND, AND YOU CAN CALL ME PERSONALLY IF YOU LIKE AND I BE GLAD TO MEET WITH YOU AS WELL.

OKAY, WELL WASTE MANAGEMENT'S HAD CLASS ACTION SUITS BEFORE AND I'M CERTAIN THE PUBLIC HERE WOULD LIKE TO JOIN ME IN THAT.

I'M STAND SIR.

GRABBED THE DRUM.

MR MAYOR.

I'LL JUST COMMENT THAT, UM,

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UH, WE CAN'T GET INVOLVED WITH A CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT.

SO THOSE, THOSE ARE SOME THINGS THAT WE CAN'T RESOLVE.

UM, SO THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THE MEETING.

WE'LL DO NO GOOD.

UM, BUT IF THERE'S SPECIFIC ITEMS THAT WE CAN RESOLVE, WE WILL ALWAYS ACCOMPLISH THAT.

I APPRECIATE YOU ADDRESSING THAT.

IS THERE ANOTHER CARD? NO MORE CARD, SIR.

ALL RIGHT, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING.

MOVING.

SECOND PLEASE VOTE MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF THOSE PRECEDENTS.

COUNSEL, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION OR WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION MOTION TO ADOPT THE NEXT RESOLUTION ORDER IN ORDER TO CONFIRMING THE LIST OF PROPERTY OWNERS IS DELINQUENT WITH PAYMENT AND AUTHORIZE THE CITY CLERK TO RE RECORD THE AMOUNT OWED AS A LIEN ON THE PROPERTY.

MOVING.

SECOND AND PLEASE VOTE.

ITEM 11 IS FOR DELINQUENT SEWER COLLECTION CHARGES.

[11. Delinquent Sewer Service Charges RECOMMENDATION: That the City Council: Opens the Public Hearing and considers public testimony; Closes the Public Hearing; Adopts the next RESOLUTIONS, in order, confirming the list of property owners as delinquent in the payment of their mandatory sewer service bills; and Authorizes the City Clerk to record the amount owed as a lien on the property and forward a list to the County Tax Assessor for billing on the next property tax bill. ]

STAFF.

PLEASE TELL US ABOUT THIS MARIN CITY COUNCIL.

I COME BEFORE YOU FOR THIS ROUND TWO OF THE DELINQUENTS CHARGES.

WE KINDA COUPLE THESE UP.

UH, CAUSE THEY'RE VERY SIMILAR.

BUT ON THIS SIDE IT'S THE SEWER WASTEWATER SIDE.

AND AGAIN, WE GIVE RESIDENTS THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME IN AND TALK WITH US.

AND UM, FOR, FOR MANY THERE'S DIFFERENT TYPES OF BILLING THAT OCCUR, UM, WITH THE SEWER CHARGES.

AND SO WHAT THE SEWER RESIDENTS ARE EITHER ON A FIXED WINTER AVERAGE OR THEY'RE BASED UPON THEIR FLOW OF WATER.

UH, BUT THE MAJORITY OF THE RESIDENTS RESIDENTIAL ARE ON THE FIXED WINTER AVERAGE.

AND THIS IS A FURTHER EXPLAINED.

UM, WE, WE ACTUALLY ARE, UM, RELEASING SOME NEW BILLS THAT ARE COMING OUT AND ON THE BACKSIDE IT'S GOING TO, UH, EXPLAIN THIS IN MORE DETAIL AND HOW WE COME UP WITH THE FIXED WINTER AVERAGE AND OUR DEPARTMENT'S EFFORTS TO BE RELENTLESS AND ACHIEVING GREATNESS.

WE ARE TRYING TO PROVIDE BETTER INFORMATION TO OUR RESIDENTS.

AND WITH THAT WE ARE CHANGING THE WAY THAT OUR, OUR, THAT OUR BILLS LOOK.

SO THAT'LL PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.

WITH THAT BEING SAID, UH, AT THE TIME OF THE AGENDA REPORT, THERE WERE 612 OUTSTANDING ACCOUNTS SINCE THEN 211 HAVE PAID AND OR I'M SORRY, 41 HAVE PAID LEAVING 571 REMAINING.

UH, WITH THAT 571, IT EQUALS ABOUT $192,000 IN OUTSTANDING SEWER BILLS.

WITH THAT BEING SAID, WE HAVE UP TO THE MINUTE A REPORTING HERE AND SO AS OF THIS MORNING, UH, THOSE ARE THE NUMBERS AND THE LIST BEFORE YOU FOR CONSIDERATION IS THAT LIST NOT INCLUDING THOSE WHO HAVE ALREADY PAID AND THAT IS FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION TODAY.

THANK YOU SIR.

COUNSEL, ANY QUESTIONS? STEVE? THE LARGEST.

YEAH, THE LARGEST OF THESE IS $15,000 FOR A MOBILE HOME PARK.

AND THAT TROUBLES ME BECAUSE THE PEOPLE IN THE MOBILE HOME PARK, PROBABLY PROBABLY OUR FIXED INCOME.

AND SO WHEN THE MOBILE HEART PARK OWNER DOESN'T PAY A SEWER BILL TO THE CITY, IF I'M A RESIDENT OF THAT PARK, I'M PRETTY UPSET THAT AN IMPORTANT PART OF MY INCOME IS GOING TO PAY THE BILL.

AND THEN THE OWNER OF THE PARK DOESN'T TURN AROUND AND PAY THE BILL TO THE CITIES.

SO I AM NOT THRILLED TO SEE THAT A MOBILE HOME PARK ON HERE OWES THE CITY $15,000.

I DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR TO THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE.

THE PAY THE BILL.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? ALL RIGHT THEN, UM, I'D LIKE TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK ANGELA IF WE ALREADY SPEAK CARDS.

WE HAVE NO SPEAKER CARDS HERE.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

MOVE THE SECOND PLEASE.

VOTE.

WELL, THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN GOEBEL.

STEVE, ARE YOU SATISFIED? DID YOU WANT TO, TO ENGAGE WITH THE STAFF ON? OKAY.

NO, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING WE CAN DO.

I JUST WANT TO LET THE STAFF KNOW THAT I BET THE RESIDENTS AT THAT PARK ARE NOT HAPPY THAT THEY'RE PAYING THE BILL AND THE OWNER IS NOT TURNING AROUND AND PAYING THE BILL.

SO IF YOU KNOW THAT MOBILE HEART PARK OWNER, UH, I WOULD COMMUNICATE THOSE SENTIMENTS TO THAT,

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TO THAT OWNER.

THAT'S JUST NOT FAIR.

I AM 12 AND UPDATED ON THE 10 MINUTE WALK GRANT.

I'M IN A DISCUSSION WITH SOMEBODY LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION.

I HAD MOVED THAT THE UM, WE ADOPT THE NEXT RESOLUTION CONFIRMING THE LIST OF PROPERTY OWNERS AND AUTHORIZE THE CITY CLERK TO RECORD A LIEN ON THE PROPERTY.

SECOND MOVING.

SECOND PLEASE.

VOTE MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF THOSE SUPPRESSANT.

[12. National Recreation & Park Association 10-Minute Walk Grant Progress Update RECOMMENDATION: That the City Council receives an update on the National Recreation & Park Association (NRPA) 10-Minute Walk Grant.]

I'LL ASK STAFF TO TELL US ABOUT THIS.

GOOD AFTERNOON MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU A BRIEF UPDATE ABOUT THE 10 MINUTE WALK GRANT THAT THE CITY DID RECEIVE.

AND THE CITY COUNCIL ACCEPTED BACK IN APRIL OF 2018 OF THIS YEAR.

IT IS A GRANT WITH THE NATIONAL RECREATION PARK ASSOCIATION AND THEY HAVE PARTNERED WITH THE TRUST REPUBLIC LAND AS WELL AS THE URBAN LAND INSTITUTE.

SO THE 10 MINUTE WALK GOALS ARE TO CREATE A LOCAL PARK WITHIN A 10 MINUTE WALK OF EVERY RESIDENT.

SO EVERY RESIDENTIAL HOUSEHOLD, THE GOAL WOULD BE TO HAVE THEM WALK NO FURTHER THAN 10 MINUTES AND THEY CAN GET TO THEIR CLOSEST PARK, SO TO SPEAK.

IT'S TO ACTIVATE COMMUNITIES AND TO GET PEOPLE MORE ENGAGED IN BEING OUTDOORS.

UM, THE BIG PUSH WILL BE TO ENGAGE THAT THREAT.

THE NATION IN, IF YOU CAN SEE HERE, WE HAVE OVER 200 MAYORS FROM ALL OVER THE COUNTRY THAT HAVE SIGNED ON.

MARY WELLS WAS ONE OF THE FIRST MAYORS ACTUALLY TO SIGN ON TO THIS.

AND THAT HELPED US ACTUALLY GET PART OF THE GRANT WAS YOU SIGN ONTO TO LOOKING AT THE 10 MINUTE WALK AS A LONGTERM GOAL FOR THE CITY OF OKLAHOMA.

UM, SO THE, THERE WERE 12 GRANTEES THIS, THIS CYCLE.

AND UH, AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE MAP THERE, WE ARE THE ONLY ONES IN CALIFORNIA TO GET THIS GRANT.

UH, THEY DIDN'T PUT ANCHORAGE ON THERE CAUSE THEN THAT WOULD TAKE OVER A LARGE PORTION OF THE MAP TOO.

BUT ANCHORAGE WAS ONE OF THE OTHER CITIES THAT YOU DON'T SEE FEATURED ON THE MAP.

UM, THIS IS ACTUALLY A SNAPSHOT.

SO THE TROUGH'S PUBLIC LAND, THEY'VE CREATED A WHOLE DATABASE.

SO I CAN EVEN DRAW A PLOT, A MAP OF 5,000 SQUARE FEET, AND IT'LL TELL ME HOW MANY PEOPLE WILL BE SERVICED IF WE ADD IN THAT NEW PARK.

UH, SO THE AREA THAT YOU SEE, THEIR RED OF , THOSE ARE THE AREAS THAT DO NOT HAVE A 10 MINUTE WALK OR ESSENTIALLY A HALF MILE GIVE OR TAKE DEPENDING ON IF THERE'S SOME BARRIERS THERE BUT ROUGHLY A HALF MILE OF EVERY HOUSEHOLD.

SO YOU SEE MOSTLY IT'S IN THE SOUTHEAST PART OF OKLAHOMA AND THE NORTH CENTRAL PART OF OKLAHOMA WHERE WE DO NOT HAVE THAT, THAT 10 MINUTE WALK PERSPECTIVE.

WE'RE AT ROUGHLY 45% OF OUR HOUSEHOLDS ARE WITHIN A 10 MINUTE WALK.

UM, THERE'S MANY FACTORS THAT WE CAN ADD IN VERY EASILY TO INCREASE THAT.

BUT WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS CREATE A PLAN AND THAT'S WHAT THIS WHOLE GRANT IS ABOUT.

UM, THERE ARE THREE STAFF THAT ATTENDED A TRAINING IN CHICAGO, THE TRUST OF PUBLIC LAND, URBAN LAND INSTITUTE AND THE NRPA, UH, TO LEARN ABOUT HOW TO FACILITATE THIS AND ALSO LEARN FROM GREAT EXAMPLES THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY SUCH AS THE CITY OF CHICAGO, WHAT THEY'VE DONE WITH THEIR PARK SYSTEM.

UM, THE BIG PART OF THIS IS CREATING THIS PLAN.

WE'LL BE HAVING STAKEHOLDER MEETINGS.

I WANTED TO THROW UP SOME EXAMPLES OF OUR PAST SUCCESSES WITH STAKEHOLDER MEETINGS.

SO ON THE LEFT IS A DRAWING FROM OUR KABOOM 2013 PLAYGROUND AT BOSTONIAN PARK.

AND THAT ONE WE REALLY THOUGHT WAS ONE OF OUR BEST DRAWINGS.

UM, ON THE RIGHT, THIS IS A KENDALL, HER PARENTS LIVE IN THE BILL BECK PARK AREA AND SHE ALSO DESIGNED, HELPED DESIGN THAT PLAYGROUND THERE.

I'M NOT SAYING WE'LL BE DRAWING PLAYGROUNDS NECESSARILY WHEN WE DO STAKEHOLDER MEETINGS IN, IN OUR COMMUNITY, BUT THE BIGGEST PART OF THIS WILL BE HAVING STAKEHOLDERS GIVE US INPUT ON WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR, GIVING THE AVAILABLE LAND IN OUR LIMITATIONS OF, WE'D BE LOOKING AT THE LA 50 MODEL, WHICH IS MORE OF A POCKET PARK MODEL WHERE IT COULD BE ANYWHERE FROM 5,000 SQUARE FOOT, LOT TO 10,000 SQUARE FOOT LOT.

AND WE WANT TO ACTIVE OR ACTIVATE THAT AREA WITH A PLAYGROUND, ADULT FITNESS EQUIPMENT, UM, UH, AND OUR OFFICIAL TURF SOCCER FIELDS, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

WHAT WE LEARNED IN TALKING WITH THE LA 50 PEOPLE AND THE LA 50 MODEL IS ADDING 50 NEW POCKET PARKS TO LA.

WE WERE NOT PLANNING ON DOING ANYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT MAYBE SIX OR SEVEN TYPE POTENTIALLY IN THE FUTURE DEPENDING ON WHAT WE WOULD GET FROM THESE STAKEHOLDER MEETINGS.

UM, BUT REALLY WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS CREATE ACTIVE RECREATION WITHIN SPECIFIC AREAS SO WE CAN RE INCREASE OUR WALKABILITY IN TERMS OF 10 MINUTE WALK.

UM,

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PART OF THE GRANT ALSO WORKING WITH URBAN LAND INSTITUTE AND I WAS NOT FAMILIAR WITH WHAT THE URBAN LAND INSTITUTE REALLY OFFERED UP UNTIL WE DID THE TRAINING.

SO THE SAN DIEGO, TIJUANA OFFICE OF THE URBAN LAND INSTITUTE, THEY'RE GOING TO BRING EXPERTS OUT.

THEY DID AVERAGE, THIS FULL COST WOULD BE $135,000.

UH, THREE CITIES WERE GRANTED THE $25,000 REDUCED COST.

AND SO URBAN LAND INSTITUTE IS PAYING FOR THAT $25,000 FOR NATIONAL EXPERTS TO COME IN FROM ALL DIFFERENT TYPES OF, OF INDUSTRY AND ADVISE US, GIVEN OUR DATA THAT WE COLLECT FROM OUR STAKEHOLDER COMMUNITY MEANS WORKING WITH A CONSULTANT.

UH, SO THEY WILL BE PROVIDING TO US THIS IN FEBRUARY, WE'RE PLANNING ON WRAPPING UP OUR STAKEHOLDER MEETINGS BETWEEN JANUARY AND EARLY FEBRUARY.

TO THEN PUT A PLAN IN PLACE TOGETHER, UM, TO BRING BACK TO CITY COUNCIL.

AND APRIL, 2019, UH, THAT'S WHEN THE GRANT ENDS UP AND THAT'S WHEN WE HAVE TO FINALIZE THIS 10 MINUTE WALK PLAN OF IDENTIFYING AREAS.

THE TRUST REPUBLIC LAND WOULD WORK WITH US WITH LAND ACQUISITION.

UM, WE WANT TO ACTUALLY PUT ON THE PLANT SPECIFICALLY WHAT PROPERTY WANT BECAUSE TPLS ADVISES AGAINST THAT.

THEY WOULD WANT A GENERAL AREA THAT WE PUT ON THE PLAN.

UM, AND JUST TALKING WITH TPL AND I WOULD SAY, HEY, WELL WHAT IF WE DON'T HAVE MONEY TO BUY THE LAND? AND THEY SAID, WELL THEN WE WILL WORK WITH YOU TO GET GRANTS TO ACTUALLY ACQUIRE THAT LAND.

ALSO.

UH, I WANTED TO PUT UP FOUR DIFFERENT OPTIONS OF ACTIVE RECREATION.

THERE COULD BE MANY OTHERS.

THE TOP LEFT COULD BE ACTIVE AT OR ADULT OUTDOOR EXERCISE EQUIPMENT.

WE CURRENTLY HAVE AT THREE PARKS.

UH, WE HAVE SEVEN NEW PLAYGROUNDS IN THE CITY OF OAKLAND THAT ARE ALL GRANT FUNDED IN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.

UH, YOU COULD DO ARTIFICIAL TURF SOCCER FIELDS.

THAT IS A BIG PUSH FROM OUR COMMUNITY ASKING FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

WE COULD ADD PICKLEBALL, WHICH IS NATIONALLY THE FASTEST GROWING SPORT FOR ALL AGE GROUPS.

NOW.

UM, I DID PUT ON PROP 68 ON THERE TO MAKE YOU AWARE THAT WE WILL COMPLETE THIS PLAN IN TIME TO APPLY FOR PROP 68 FUNDING AND PART OF PROP 68 FUNDING.

IT'S TO DEMONSTRATE THAT WE'VE HAD THESE COMMUNITY STAKEHOLDER MEETINGS, A MINIMUM OF THREE FOR EACH SPECIFIC AREA, BUT ALSO IT'S BEEN ADOPTED BY COUNCIL.

SO THEN THAT PUTS US UP AT A VERY HIGH LEVEL IN TERMS OF CON CON COMPETITION OF OTHER CITIES.

SO WE ACTUALLY HAVE THE COMMUNITY INPUT, WE HAVE THE CITY COUNCIL BUY INTO THE PLAN AND THAT THAT WOULD ACTUALLY INCREASE OUR POTENTIAL OF GETTING THOSE GRANTS AT A VERY HIGH LEVEL.

SO WE HOPE THAT THE, THE WORLDS ARE ALIGNING IN THIS.

THIS LOOKS LIKE A REALLY GOOD TIME FOR US IN TERMS OF COMPLETING THE PLAN AND APPLYING FOR PROP 68 GRANT FUNDING.

UH, WE ARE CALLING IT THE ALCOHOL IN 2030.

UH, WE HAD TO COME UP WITH A NAME IN CHICAGO, SO WE CALLED IT ELKO AND 20, 30 TO BASICALLY HAVE EVERYTHING EXECUTED BY 2030.

WE WANT TO ALSO FLUSH OUT OTHER NAMES FOR THE PLAN WITH OUR STAKEHOLDER MEETINGS TO GET THE COMMUNITY INPUT THAT ELKO AND 2030 WAS JUST A, A SIMPLE IDEA, BUT IT WAS A TANGIBLE IDEA THAT WE COULD CHEW ON THERE.

UM, I'M OPEN TO ANY QUESTIONS OR ANYTHING ELSE.

LET ME SEE IF THIS QUESTIONS GENTLEMEN.

NOPE.

I ONE QUESTION, DO SCHOOLS COUNT AS A, THESE PARKS? WE DO HAVE SEVERAL SCHOOLS RIGHT NOW OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, UH, WE HAVE A ACADEMY THAT HAS QUIA MACA PARK, WE CALL IT THAT TOTAL, WHICH IS EMERALD MIDDLE SCHOOL.

ALBERT VAN ZEN PARK IS CONNECTED TO GREENFIELD MIDDLE.

SO THOSE ARE JUST THE ONES I CAN THINK OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD THAT WE HAVE JOINT USE AGREEMENTS AND THOSE DO COUNT IN THAT 10 MINUTE WALK.

ALRIGHT.

I APPRECIATE IT.

AND BY THE WAY, THANKS FOR SHEPHERDING THIS WHOLE PROGRAM.

OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE WAY ON TOP OF IT FAST, MOST BETTER THAN MOST OF THE CITY.

SO THANK YOU.

AND I DO WANT TO BRIEFLY THANK ALSO SONATA KACI WITH ONE OF OUR ENGINEERS IN THE CITY AND MELISSA DIVINE, A SENIOR PLANNER WHO'S PART OF THE TECHNICAL TEAM? I DON'T THINK SO.

I'M 13 IS FOR SAN DIEGO FORWARD 20, 19 FOR 2015 REGIONAL PLAN AND STAFF WILL TELL US ABOUT THIS.

ALL RIGHT THEN.

UM, ANGELA, MAYBE SPEAK CARDS FOR THIS NO CARD, SIR.

ALL RIGHT, WELL WE DON'T NEED EMOTION.

WE JUST, JUST AN UPDATE.

THANKS FOR FILLING.

AWESOME.

[13. San Diego Forward: 2019-2050 Regional Plan - Projects and Transportation Network Concepts RECOMMENDATION: That the City Council identifies mobility concept priorities it wishes to communicate to SANDAG in preparation for the 2019-2050 San Diego Forward Regional Plan.]

THANK YOU MR MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL, ONE OF SANDBAGS PURPOSES IS TO DEVELOP STRATEGIC PLANS THAT FOCUS ON THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR THE REGION.

UH, THE SAN DIEGO FORWARD DOCUMENT IS ONE OF THOSE PRIMARY DOCUMENTS THAT PROVIDES A BLUEPRINT OF HOW TO INCREASE THE QUALITY OF LIFE WITHIN THE CITY OR WITHIN THE ENTIRE REGION, INCLUDING THE CITY.

UM, IT FORECAST POPULATION EMPLOYMENT GROWTH, IT ADDRESSES TRANSPORTATION ISSUES AND EMERGING TECHNOLOGIES AND POLICIES.

AND IT ALSO ADDRESSES THE REGIONS, UM, INFRASTRUCTURE, BOTH ENVIRONMENTAL AND PHYSICAL INFRASTRUCTURE.

UH, BECAUSE, UM, MANY OF THESE VERY IMPORTANT ASPECTS INTERRELATE WITH

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EACH OTHER.

THIS, THIS BIG DOCUMENT, THE SAN DIEGO FORWARD DOCUMENT, SORT OF, UM, FOCUS ON EACH OF THOSE OR ADDRESSES EACH OF THOSE AND HELPS PRIORITIZE HOW ALLOCATION OR HOW FUNDING WILL BE ALLOCATED OVER THE YEARS.

UH, THIS PLAN RIGHT NOW THAT'S BEING CURRENTLY WORKED ON WILL BE FROM THE YEAR 2019 TO 2050.

SO IT'S A LAW.

IT IS A LONG RANGE PLAN.

UM, THE PLAN WILL INCLUDE SORT OF AN OVERALL VISION THAT SUPPORTS THREE PRIMARY GOALS, INNOVATIVE MOBILITY IN PLANNING, A VIBRANT ECONOMY AND ALSO HEALTHY ENVIRONMENT AND COMMUNITIES.

THESE GOALS INTERCONNECT IN THAT THEY DO SUPPORT EACH OTHER, BUT IN SOMETIMES THEY ARE IN CONFLICT WITH EACH OTHER.

AND SO THE, THE DRAFTING OF THIS PLAN IS AWFULLY IMPORTANT, ESPECIALLY AS WE DEAL WITH PROVIDING SCARCE RESOURCES.

ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE OBJECTIVES OF THE OVERALL PLAN IS TO LOOK AT HOW MOBILITY IS HANDLED THROUGHOUT THE REGION.

AND SO, UM, OVER THE PAST, UH, FEW MONTHS, THE SANDAG STAFF AND THE AND EGG BOARD HAD BEEN TALKING ABOUT MOBILITY OR NETWORK CONCEPTS.

I'M JUST GOING TO HIGHLIGHT THOSE REALLY QUICKLY.

CONCEPT A IS THE IDEA OF A SHARED MODEL IN WHICH PEOPLE SHARE TRANSPORTATION.

SO IF YOU THINK ABOUT A BUS, SEVERAL PEOPLE ARE SHARING THAT TRANSPORTATION OR UBER WOULD BE ANOTHER EXAMPLE OR A OR RIDESHARE WOULD BE AN EXAMPLE OR AN HOV LANE WOULD BE AN EXAMPLE WHERE WE'RE SHARING A TRANSPORTATION, UM, UH, VENUE OR APPARATUS.

UH, ANOTHER CONCEPT THAT THEY'VE PRESENTED IS CONCEPT B, WHICH IS CALLED CONNECTED CORRIDORS.

AND I THINK OF THIS AS SORT OF OUR, OUR BREAD AND BUTTER INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE'VE BECOME REALLY ACCUSTOMED TO OUR HIGHWAYS OR FREEWAYS, NOT ONLY INCREASING THE CAPACITY ON OUR FREEWAYS, BUT ALSO IMPROVING CONNECTIONS ON OUR FREEWAY.

SO IF YOU THINK ABOUT A ONE 25 AND THE EIGHT, THERE'S ALWAYS A BACKUP THERE.

SO, SO RATHER THAN INCREASING THE CAPACITY OF AID, IT ACTUALLY BE INCREASING THE, THE, UM, CONGESTION OR REDUCING CONGESTION AT THAT ACTUALLY INTERCHANGE.

UM, THE LAST CONCEPT IS WHAT THEY'RE CALLING POLICY POSSIBILITIES.

AND THIS IS ACTUALLY UTILIZING THE EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE HAVE, BUT USING POLICIES OR FEE MECHANISMS TO ENCOURAGE BEHAVIOR OR DISCOURAGE CERTAIN BEHAVIORS.

SO FOR, FOR EXAMPLE, ONE POLICY COULD BE CHARGING FOR PARKING AROUND EMPLOYMENT CENTERS.

SO SORENTO VALLEY HAS TENS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE THAT THEY EMERGE OR DESCEND IN THAT AREA.

IF THEY WERE TO CHARGE A FEE TO PARK YOUR CAR THERE RATHER THAN PARKING FOR FREE, THEN THERE WOULD BE AN INCENTIVE TO FIND ALTERNATIVE WAYS TO GET TO YOUR JOB, I. E.

BY SHARING A IN A CAR THROUGH A CARPOOL, WE'RE TAKING A BUS OR A TROLLEY.

SO, SO THAT'S AN EXAMPLE OF USING, UM, SORT OF A POLICY OR A FEE TO ENCOURAGE A CERTAIN BEHAVIOR OR, OR RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A FEW LANES IN CINEO COUNTY THAT UM, THERE'S A TOLL BUT WOULD BEING INCREASING THE NUMBER OF TOLL LANES THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY TO, AGAIN, TO ENCOURAGE A BEHAVIOR.

UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UM, SO AS YOU CAN SEE, EACH OF THESE HAVE VERY DIFFERENT STAKEHOLDER GROUPS TIED TO THEM AND PEOPLE HAVE VERY STRONG FEELINGS TOWARDS THEM.

UM, SO SANDAG STAFFING IN ORDER TO DEVELOP THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN HAS GONE OUT AND DONE A SERIES OF WORKSHOPS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY.

THEY'VE JUST CONCLUDED, UH, ABOUT A MONTH AGO, THE EAST COUNTY WORKSHOP WAS HOSTED IN LAMESA.

UH, MARY WELLS WAS ONE OF THE CO HOSTS OF THAT AND THAT THAT WORKSHOP ALLOWED SANDAG STAFF TO PRESENT ALL THESE DIFFERENT CONCEPTS AND USING A, UH, FEEDBACK GATHERING TOOL, REALLY A, AN APP ON A PHONE.

IT'S KINDA INTERESTING.

YOU COULD VOTE FOR DIFFERENT TYPES OF CONCEPTS OR THINGS THAT RESONATED WITH YOU OR THINGS THAT YOU REALLY DISLIKED AND ADD ADDITIONAL COMMENTS IN NO WAY WAS AS A VOTE, BUT IT CERTAINLY GAVE SANDAG A GOOD SENSE OF WHAT OUR COMMUNITIES ARE THINKING ABOUT AND WHAT THEIR, WITH THE FEEL OF WHAT SHOULD HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE AND HOW MONEY SHOULD BE ALLOCATED.

THE PURPOSE OF THESE WORKSHOPS WAS NOT TO IDENTIFY, WE THINK THAT INTERSTATE 15 NEEDS TO BE WORKED ON OR WE THINK THAT THE 67 EIGHT INTERCHANGES SHOULD BE A PRIORITY.

ALTHOUGH THOSE ITEMS DID COME UP.

BUT IT WAS REALLY TO GET A BITTER, BIGGER, BROADER PERSPECTIVE OF, OF WHERE FUNDS SHOULD BE ALLOCATED IN THE FUTURE, WHETHER IT SHOULD BE FOCUSED ON PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION, EXPANDING OUR HIGHWAY SYSTEM OR AGAIN, ON SOME OF THESE POLICIES.

ONE OF THE, OR I GUESS TWO OF THE OUTCOMES OF THESE MEETINGS WERE, WERE LETTERS DRAFTED BY THE SAN DIEGO EAST COUNTY CHAMBER OF COMMERCE AND THE SAN DIEGO EAST COUNTY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COUNCIL.

AND THOSE LETTERS DID FOCUS ON, UH, MAKING SURE THAT SANDAG STAFF

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WAS AWARE THAT WE HAVE ISSUES IN EAST COUNTY WHEN IT COMES TO CONNECTIVITY, NOT ONLY WITHIN OUR OWN REACH SUB REGION, BUT ALSO CONNECTING WITH OUR REGION.

A LOT OF OUR RESIDENTS DO TRAVEL OUT OF THE REGION TO, UH, FOR EMPLOYMENT.

SO THINKING ABOUT HOW OUR EMPLOYEES ARE, OUR RESIDENTS WHO ARE EMPLOYED ELSEWHERE GET THERE, BUT ALSO THINKING ABOUT HOW TO ATTRACT ADDITIONAL BUSINESS TO US AND HOW IMPORTANT THAT CONNECTIVITY IS TO EAST COUNTY.

THOSE TWO LETTERS DID IDENTIFY SIX INTERSECTIONS OR SIX AREAS, UH, SPECIFIC PROJECTS THAT THEY WOULD WANT SANDAG TO FOCUS ON.

AGAIN, THE PURPOSE OF THESE WORKSHOPS WAS NOT TO GET INTO PROJECT SPECIFICS, BUT IT WAS GOOD ACTUALLY THAT THESE I, THESE PROJECTS WERE IDENTIFIED BECAUSE IT'S BECAUSE A GOOD TEMPLATE FOR US IN THE FUTURE AS WE FOCUS ON PROJECTS, ESPECIALLY OUR SANDAG I'M EXECUTIVE BOARD MEMBER AND ALSO UM, STAFF.

SO ONE OF THE THOUGHTS THAT CAME OUT OF THIS WAS, UM, WE HEARD A LOT OF FEEDBACK.

UM, THE COUNCIL IS REPRESENTED BY THE MAYOR ON THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS.

UM, OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS PARTICIPATE IN SUBCOMMITTEES, STAFF PARTICIPATES AT LOTS OF DIFFERENT LEVELS.

AND UNDERSTANDING THE COUNCIL'S DESIRE IS PROBABLY AN IMPORTANT THING FOR US TO UNDERSTAND AS WE GO FORWARD AND LOBBY FOR CERTAIN, UM, PRIORITIES.

AND SO WE WANTED TO GIVE THIS AN AGENDA ITEM AND OPPORTUNITY TO THE COUNCIL TO WEIGH IN ON SOME THOUGHTS ABOUT THESE MOBILITY CONCEPTS, BUT THEN ALSO TO CONSIDER IF YOU THOUGHT IT WAS IMPORTANT AT THIS TIME, BUT MAYBE IT'S PRUDENT LATER ON TO ACTUALLY DRAFT A LETTER TO FOCUS IN ON WHAT OUR PRIORITIES ARE.

SO I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, BUT REALLY MORE OF AN OPPORTUNITY TO DIALOGUE OR OBTAIN FEEDBACK FROM THE CITY COUNCIL.

OKAY, COUNSEL.

I AGREE WITH THE, UH, THE, UH, SIX ITEMS THAT THEY DIRECTED, UH, TO SANDAG.

IT SHOWS YOU WITH THOSE SIX ITEMS, IT WAS NOT PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION.

IT'S PEOPLE DRIVING CARS WHICH AREN'T GETTING OUT OF THEIR CARS.

IN FACT, UM, MTS HAS A REDUCTION OF RIDERSHIP.

UM, PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO RIDE ON MASS TRANSIT.

IT TAKES TOO LONG.

I'M ON THE BOARD OF MTS, BUT IT TAKES TOO LONG TO GET FROM ONE PLACE TO THE OTHER.

I'VE HEARD THAT MANY TIMES AT THE BOARD MEETINGS FROM PUBLIC AND UH, PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING TO GET OUT OF THEIR CARS.

SAN DIEGO IS A SPRAWLING COMMUNITY.

UM, AND YOU CAN'T GET FROM POINT A TO POINT B ON A TROLLEY OR A BUS OR ANYTHING ELSE THAT WOULD BE VERY CONVENIENT FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE.

SO WHAT WE NEED IS TO IMPROVE THESE, UM, FREEWAYS SO PEOPLE GET TO WORK, GET HOME, AND NOT SPEND A LOT OF TIME DOING THAT IN TRAFFIC JAMS. AND, UH, I THINK THE THINGS THAT THEY POINTED OUT ARE VERY GOOD AND I THINK THAT, UH, THAT'S THE DIRECTION WE NEED TO GO IN AND SPEND OUR MONEY NOT IN MORE TROLLEY AND BUS AND THINGS LIKE THAT BECAUSE THEY JUST DON'T WORK VERY WELL.

ABOUT 4% OF THE PEOPLE RIDE MASS TRANSIT AND THE OTHER 96% ARE ON OUR FREEWAYS.

HOWEVER, THEY SPEND ABOUT A THIRD OF THE MONEY ON MASS TRANSIT AND NOT ON, UH, UH, OUR FREEWAYS.

UH, IT'S TAKEN $2 BILLION TO PUT THIS NEW TRILLY TRAWLER LINE AND FROM OLD TOWN TO, UH, USD.

AND THAT'S A VERY EXPENSIVE PROPOSITION.

SO WHEN YOU PUT IN A NEW TROLLEY LINE, IT'S A WHOLE LOT MORE THAN ADDING A COUPLE OF LANES TO A FREEWAY.

SO, UM, I HOPE THAT, UH, SANDAG HERE'S THIS LOUD AND CLEAR AND THESE ARE THE TYPES OF THINGS WE WANT AS THE ONES YOU'VE MENTIONED.

SO THANK YOU.

OTHER THOUGHTS? STEVE? YES, THANK YOU, COUNCIL CHAZ.

MISSION VALLEY, IN, IN SORENTO MESA AND THEY CAN'T NECESSARILY AFFORD THE CARMEL MOUNTAIN RANCH PROPERTY OR SOMETHING.

OKAY, GARY? WELL, I AGREE WITH WHAT BOB SAID THAT UH, I THINK THERE'S A DEMAND FOR FREEWAY SPACE AND ROADS AND UH, WE'RE JUST NOT DENSE ENOUGH URBAN AREA TO REALLY HAVE THE AVERAGE PERSON RELY ON MASS TRANSIT.

YOU SEE THOSE SPEAKER CARDS? WE HAVE ONE.

MR ERIC LONDON.

HI ERIC COUNCIL MEMBERS, CITY STAFF.

UM, I ALSO WANNA JUST, UH, REITERATE THAT YES, THE CHAMBER HAS TAKEN A POSITION VIA A LETTER AND I DID SEND A COPY TO GRAHAM AND ALSO TO THE MIRROR.

SO WE WOULD LIKE THAT TO GO ON THE RECORD.

WE FEEL IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE CONSIDER HOW ARE WE GOING TO MOVE GOODS BETWEEN BUSINESSES.

IT'S GOING TO BE TOUGH TO DO THAT BY BUS AND BY TROLLEY.

THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE'RE AGAINST A, AN INTEGRATED

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APPROACH.

WE DO BELIEVE THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A CERTAIN BALANCE OF BIKE WAYS IN TRANSIT THAT IS NEEDED OUT THERE, BUT WE DO FEEL THAT THERE'S WAY TOO MUCH PRESSURE ON THE SANDAG BOARD TO VIEW.

LOOK AT THOSE PROJECTS, THE TRANSIT, ESPECIALLY BY SPECIAL INTEREST PARTIES AND NOT ENOUGH VOICES AND FEEDBACK COMING FROM THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY.

CAUSE WE'RE ALL BUSY DOING BUSINESS.

UM, WE'RE NOT ABLE TO GO TO EVERY SANDAG MEETING AND SPEND HALF THE DAY TO TESTIFY.

AND SO ONE OF OUR, UH, COMMITMENTS AS A CHAMBER HAS BEEN TO GO TO EVERY BOARD MEETING WE CAN MAKE AND BE SURE THAT WE'RE A VOICE AND THAT WE DO STATE THAT THE EAST COUNTY REGION IS DESPERATE FOR IMPROVEMENTS IN OUR, IN OUR CHOKE POINTS THAT ARE ON OUR FREEWAYS AND HIGHWAYS.

AND THAT IS A CRITICAL INTEREST TO US.

UM, WHEN YOU REALLY THINK ABOUT IT, THE EAST COUNTY IS AN EXPORTER OF JOBS OF PEOPLE.

SO A LOT OF OUR PEOPLE COMMUTE OUT OF THE AREA AND GO TO SORENTO VALLEY OR GO DOWN TO THE COAST AND THEN COME BACK HOME.

AND AS A RESULT OF THAT, WE WANT TO REDUCE THAT AMOUNT OF TIME THAT THEY SPEND ON THE ROADS SO THAT THEY HAVE A MUCH MORE PRODUCTIVE LIFESTYLE.

AND THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO US.

WE DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO SPEND HOURS ON THE FREEWAY WAITING IN TRAFFIC AND BARELY MOVING.

SO, UH, THE ROADWAYS THAT WE MENTIONED, OUR CURRENT PROJECTS THAT, UM, SANDAG ACTUALLY HAS ALREADY IDENTIFIED AS BEING IMPORTANT.

UNFORTUNATELY FROM WHAT I HEARD, SANDAG IS NOT CONSIDERING ANY OF THE EAST COUNTY PROJECTS ON THE ROADS AT ALL AT THIS POINT.

AND SO IT'S GOING TO TAKE, I THINK, NOT ONLY THE CITY OF EL CAHONE BUT ALL OF OUR CITIES IN THE REGION TO WORK TOGETHER AND MAKE A STRONG VOICE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WE REALLY DO THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, MOVING GOODS AND PEOPLE BY ROADS IS ALSO IMPORTANT.

UM, STEVE, DID YOU HAVE A COMMENT? SO OF THE THREE, UM, IF YOU COULD BRING THAT SLIDE BACK UP OF SHARED MOBILITY, CONNECTED CORRIDORS AND POLICY POSSIBILITIES.

SHARED MOBILITY TO ME IS MARKET DRIVEN.

THE COST OF GAS, UH, AT SOME POINT AND THE TIME TO COMMUTE.

I COMMUTE TO MISSION VALLEY EVERY DAY AND UH, ON A GOOD DAY YESTERDAY, WHICH IS A HOLIDAY, TAKES ME 15 MINUTES TO GET DOWN THERE ON A DAY WHEN EVERYBODY'S GOING, IT TAKES ME 35 MINUTES, BUT THE TROLLEYS TAKES AN HOUR.

BY THE TIME I GET TO THE STATION, GET ON THE TROLLEY AND ALL THE STOPS IN BETWEEN AND GET OVER THERE.

SO UNTIL THE PUBLIC SAYS, UH, PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION PERHAPS IN CHICAGO IS FASTER THAN TRYING TO AND CHEAPER THAN TRYING TO DRIVE AND PARK PEOPLE ARE GOING TO DRIVE THEIR CARS.

I THINK THAT'S THE REALITY OF WHERE WE ARE HERE.

SO SHARED MOBILITY, UH, IS NOT MY FAVORITE.

I DID TALK TO SOMEBODY AT MTS AND I SAID, YOU KNOW, CAN THEY PUT MORE CARS ON THE TRACK AND USE EXISTING TRACKS? HE SAID, YES, THE ISSUE IS NOT, ARE THERE TOO MANY CARS ON THE TRACK AND IT'S A DRAIN ON THE ELECTRICAL SYSTEM OR SOMETHING.

THAT'S NOT IT.

IT JUST HAS TO DO WITH, THERE'S JUST NOT ENOUGH DEMAND FOR SHARED MOBILITY AT THIS POINT.

SO WE HAVE TO RECOGNIZE THAT MARKET MARKET FORCES, THE CONNECTED CORRIDOR, WELL PO POLICY POSSIBILITIES, TAXING PEOPLE TO GET THEM TO BEHAVE A CERTAIN WAY.

IT'S NOT THE BEST WAY FOR GOVERNMENT TO BE IN PEOPLE'S LIVES.

SO I'LL JUST LEAVE THAT AT THAT.

CONNECTED QUARTERS IS WHERE I LAND FOR A COUPLE OF REASONS.

NUMBER ONE.

I AGREE WITH ERIC.

UH, IF PEOPLE IN EAST COUNTY WANT TO MOVE GOODS, GO GET INVENTORY, MAKE DELIVERIES OUT EAST COUNTY, THEY GET CHOKED AND PRETTY SOON THEY SAY, WE'RE NOT GOING TO LOCATE IN THESE COUNTY BECAUSE IT TAKES TOO LONG TO GET OUT OF THESE COUNTY.

WE'LL GO TO KEARNY, MESA, SARAH MESA, OTI, WHATEVER.

SO WE'RE AT A DISADVANTAGE THERE.

14% OF THE COUNTY LIVES IN EAST COUNTY.

ONE OUT OF SEVEN RESIDENTS.

WE DON'T GET 14% OF THE MONEY FROM SANDAG.

IT'S NOT A LINEAR MODEL.

I GET IT.

IT'S A REGIONAL PLANNING BODY, BUT I SURE THINK EAST COUNTY HAS BEEN SHORT CHEATED FOR A LONG TIME.

UM, IF I WAS TALKING TO THE, THE PEOPLE PROBABLY HOLD THE MOST SWAY ON SANDAG, I WOULD TRY TO CONVINCE THEM IT'S IN THEIR BEST INTEREST TO EXPAND THE FREEWAYS.

NUMBER ONE, FROM A PUBLIC SAFETY POINT OF VIEW, WHAT IF WE HAD TO EVACUATE A DUE TO AN INCIDENT DOWN AT THE COAST AND EVERYBODY HAD TO HEAD OUT EAST TOWARDS ALPINE BOULEVARD, EL CENTRO.

IT IS GOING TO BE A MESS TRYING TO GET THROUGH 52 AND THE EIGHT BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE THE SIZE AND THE BANDWIDTH THAT 15 EIGHT OH FIVE FIVE HAS.

SO JUST FROM A SHEER PUBLIC SAFETY POINT OF VIEW, I WOULD TELL THE MAYOR OF DEL MAR OR SAN DIEGO OR IF YOU WANT TO GET YOUR PEOPLE OUT OF HERE IN CASE OF AN INCIDENT DOWNTOWN, YOU BETTER WIDEN THE FREEWAYS BECAUSE WE'RE OUT OF HERE QUICKLY, THANK GOODNESS, BUT YOUR FOLKS ARE GOING TO TAKE AWHILE TO GET OUTTA HERE.

SO PUBLIC SAFETY I THINK IS AN ISSUE.

UH, THE FREEWAY CAPACITY, UM, I THINK IT JUST COMES BACK TO THE, THE BUSINESS ANGLE AS WELL.

IF YOU WANT GOOD EMPLOYEES, UH, IN

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THE OTHER OPTION IS TO COME EAST WHERE IT'S MORE AFFORDABLE, BUT PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING TO WANT TO LIVE IN THE EAST IF IT TAKES TOO LONG TO GET THERE.

IF I'M A COMPANY IN SORENTO VALLEY, I WANT GOOD PEOPLE.

AND IF THEY CAN AFFORD A HOME IN EAST COUNTY, WIDEN THE FREEWAY SO THEY CAN GET TO SORENTO VALLEY IN A QUICKER AMOUNT OF TIME.

SO THAT'S WHAT I WOULD SAY TO THE PEOPLE WHO, UH, ARE WEST OF US.

IF YOU WANT MORE GOOD PEOPLE, EXPAND YOUR TERRITORY AND OPEN UP THE EAST TO GET THERE FASTER.

SO THE PUBLIC SAFETY THING AND UH, THE JOB, UH, EXPANSION POOL OF TALENT WOULD BE TWO GREAT REASONS TO WIDEN THE CONNECTED CORRIDORS.

DITTO.

WELL, WE LIVE IN A MARKET ECONOMY AND MY OPINION THAT THE MARKET IS SAYING WE NEED WIDER FREEWAYS AND WE'RE ACCESS.

AND I THINK THE ERIC LONDON MADE A REALLY GOOD POINT AND THAT IT'S BECOMES DIFFICULT SOMETIMES TO TRANSPORT GOODS FROM EAST COUNTY TO OTHER PARTS OF THE REGION.

AND THAT HURTS US.

IT CAUSES JOBS AND, UH, AND BUSINESSES.

SO, UH, I REALLY THINK THAT WE SHOULD, UH, AS SANDY HAD TO CONCENTRATE ON, UH, WIDENING THE FREEWAYS AND CHOKE POINTS ALL THROUGH EAST COUNTY.

I WANT YOU ALL TO KNOW THAT I AGREE WITH WHAT YOU'VE SAID AND I'VE ARGUED FOR THAT AT SAN DIEGO AND I'M MOSTLY IN THE MINORITY.

UM, SAN DIEGO IS IN A POSITION NOW WHERE THEY WANT TO SPEND ABOUT 50% OF THEIR BUDGET ON MASS TRANSPORTATION AND BIKE LANES, WHICH ABOUT 3% OF THE POPULATION WILL USE.

RIGHT? UM, THERE IS NO AMOUNT OF ARGUING THAT GETS THROUGH TO SOMEBODY WHO HAS THIS OPINION.

UM, THE, THE THOUGHT IS THE CARS NEED TO GO AND WHETHER OR NOT IT'S THROUGH MASS TRANSPORTATION OR BY PUNISHING PEOPLE WHO DRIVE CARS, THAT THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE TO GO.

SO IT'S A, IT'S A DIFFICULT PROBLEM.

PEOPLE HAVE VASTLY DIFFERENT OPINIONS ON HOW THIS PROBLEM SHOULD BE SOLVED.

UM, JUST LIKE MANY OF OUR POLITICAL ISSUES RIGHT NOW, PEOPLE HAVE VASTLY DIFFERENT OPINIONS, BUT I CONTINUE TO REPRESENT THESE COUNTY AND ASKED FOR MONEY TO BE SPENT ON FREEWAYS AND DEALING WITH THESE CHOKE POINTS.

AND SO TO SEVERAL OF THE OTHER MEMBERS, BUT, UH, AT THIS POINT AS A MINORITY OF PEOPLE, I DO WANT TO SAY THAT I DON'T THINK IT'S COMPLETELY HOPELESS.

UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT REALLY I FIND INTERESTING AND EXCITING IS THAT WE'VE HAD SEVERAL PRESENTATIONS BY VERY QUALIFIED PEOPLE WHO TELL US THAT THERE IS A PARADIGM SHIFT COMING IN THE WAY WE'RE GOING TO MOVE.

UH, VERY LIKELY THAT 10 YEARS FROM NOW WE WON'T OWN CARS, THAT THE AUTONOMOUS CARS WILL BE RUNNING ON THE FREEWAYS, THERE'LL BE MOVING AT HIGH RATES OF SPEED, THERE'LL BE MOVING INCHES APART FROM EACH OTHER.

SO THERE WON'T BE THE, THE CONGESTION AND THEY WON'T BE ADMITTING ANY EMISSIONS.

SO WE WON'T HAVE THE, THE PROBLEMS OF, OF EMISSIONS.

LIKE MANY THINGS IN AMERICA, INNOVATION FROM THE PRIVATE INDUSTRY WILL SOLVE A LOT OF OUR PROBLEMS. AND I THINK THAT THIS IS COMING, THE AUTONOMOUS CAR INDUSTRY TELLS US THAT WE'RE ABOUT FIVE YEARS AWAY FROM THIS, FROM MAKING IT HAPPEN.

FROM A TECHNICAL, LOGICAL STANDPOINT, I THINK WE'RE PROBABLY MORE LIKE 20 YEARS AWAY FROM IT, FROM LETTING IT HAPPEN.

FROM A POLITICAL WHEEL STANDPOINT, IT'S CERTAINLY GOING TO BE A CHANGE IN LIFESTYLE THAT I HAVE A CAR TO TO GET OUT OF YOUR PHONE AND CALL AN UBER AND HAVE IT PICK YOU UP AND TAKE YOU TO WHERE YOU WANT TO GO.

BUT THAT MOST EXPERTS THINK THAT THAT'S THE FUTURE.

SO POSSIBLY A LOT OF THIS IS MOOT.

AND, AND SOME OF US ARGUING, WELL, WAIT A SECOND, WE'RE SPENDING BILLIONS AND BILLIONS OF DOLLARS ON TROLLEYS.

IF AUTONOMOUS CARS ARE GOING TO BE SOLVING ALL THESE PROBLEMS, THOSE TROLLEYS WILL BE RELICS THAT NOBODY WILL BE DRY.

SO THESE ARGUMENTS CONTINUE.

IF YOU WANT TO HAVE YOUR VOICE HEARD, SHOW UP AT A SATURDAY MEETING SOMETIME, I KNOW IT'S, IT'S DIFFICULT AND IT'S IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DAY AND IT IS ABOUT THE MOST BORING THING THAT YOU COULD IMAGINE, BUT OH MUCH.

BUT IT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE THE ORGANIZED GROUPS THAT ARE AGAINST CARS AND FOR, FOR THE OTHER TYPES OF TRANSPORTATION, THEY'LL SEND 20 OR 30 PEOPLE TO SANDAG TO LECTURE US ON THE EVILS OF CARS AND THE EVILS OF FREEWAYS.

AND IT'S VERY ONE SIDED.

SO IF YOU FEEL STRONGLY THAT, UH, YOU'D LIKE THE EAST CANADA TO BE REPRESENTED AND, AND TO CONTINUE TO FIGHT FOR THE ACCESS TO FREEWAYS AND THE WAY THAT IT'S HELPFUL IF SOMEBODY COMES IN AND PRESENTS THAT POINT OF VIEW, THAT'S FINE.

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WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

UM, WE DON'T HAVE TO, UM, KNOW.

YES SIR.

IT MAY TAKE A LOT MORE THAN FIVE OR 10 YEARS BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF OLD CARS ON THIS ROAD.

THEY'RE NOT GONNA TRAVEL INCHES APART AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE DRIVEN BY PEOPLE LIKE ME, SENIOR CITIZEN.

THAT'S WHY I SAY SAFELY AND LEAVE A LITTLE ROOM IN FRONT OF YOU AND BEHIND YOU.

AND THE TECHNOLOGY IS ALMOST HERE THAT, THAT THE US BEING AS PEOPLE GET USED TO THAT KIND OF A CHANGE MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT FURTHER OUT.

BUT TO REPLACE ALL THOSE CARS, ONLY ABOUT SIX, 7,000 MILLION CARS A YEAR GETS SCRAPPED AND THEY'RE BUILDING OVER, UH, SELLING OVER A MILLION, SEVERAL MILLION EVERY YEAR.

SO IT'S A, IT'S A BIG PROBLEM.

YEAH.

AND THERE'S MORE THAN A HUNDRED MILLION CARS ON THE ROAD, SO IT'S GOING TO TAKE A NUMBER OF YEARS BEFORE I'LL REMEMBER THERE WAS A BLOCKBUSTER VIDEO STORE ON EVERY CORNER.

SO YEAH, SOMETIMES THINGS CHANGE.

YES IT DOES.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

WE DON'T, THIS IS JUST AN UPDATE.

WE DON'T NEED A MOTION.

WE CAN MOVE ON TO ITEM 13.

OH, SHE, THAT IS I AM 13.

[14. Introduction of Ordinance Amending Section 2.56.030 of Chapter 2.56 and Adding Chapter 12.06 to the El Cajon Municipal Code Regulating Vending on City Sidewalks RECOMMENDATION: That the City Council considers approving the attached ordinance amending section 2.56.030 of Chapter 2.56 and adding Chapter 12.06 to the El Cajon Municipal Code regulating vending on city sidewalks, and, if approved, take the following action: By Motion and Second, move to introduce the ordinance, and Direct the City Clerk to read the title of the ordinance.]

SO WE DON'T NEED A MOTION ON THAT.

WE CAN MOVE ON TO ITEM 14.

ITEM 14 IS AN INTRODUCTION OF AN ORDINANCE TO REGULATE VENDING ON CITY SIDEWALKS.

AND I'LL ASK STAFF TO INTRODUCE THE SITE AND PLEASE.

THANK YOU MAYOR WELLS.

ANY MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL.

THIS ITEM A IS TO ADDRESS RECENT LEGISLATION.

ABOUT EIGHT WEEKS AGO, GOVERNOR BROWN SIGNED INTO LAW SENATE BILL NUMBER NINE FOUR SIX THAT, UH, ADDRESSES CITIES AND COUNTIES IN A MANNER THAT SAID LITTLE UNUSUAL.

UM, IT CREATES A, UM, AN OBLIGATION FOR CITIES AND COUNTIES TO ACCEPT SOME FORM OF SIDEWALK VENDING AND THEIR JURISDICTIONS.

SO IT'S MORE OF A PROHIBITION ON OUR ACTIONS THAT WE'D NORMALLY HAVE THE ABILITY UNDER THE POLICE POWERS TO ADDRESS.

UH, AND AS OPPOSED TO A PROHIBITION ON THE CONDUCT OF INDIVIDUALS.

UM, WHAT WE'VE DONE IS THAT THE STAFF HAS MET TO GO OVER WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO ADDRESS THIS.

IT GOES INTO EFFECT JANUARY ONE.

AND, UH, THE RESULT OF THAT IS, UH, BEEN THE ORDINANCES BEFORE YOU, UH, I'LL GIVE YOU JUST SOME KIND OF A BRIEF OVERVIEW.

YOU HAVE MY AGENDA REPORT, BUT AT FIRST, FIRST THING TO UNDERSTAND ABOUT SB NINE 46 IS THAT IT DECRIMINALIZES THE ACTIVITY OF SIDEWALK VENDING.

IN OTHER WORDS, WE WOULD NORMALLY ADDRESS SIDEWALK VENDING AS AN ILLEGAL OPERATION OR, OR ILLEGAL CONDUCT BY CITING THEM WITHIN AN INFRACTION OR MISDEMEANOR.

UM, AND, AND THEN THEY'D GO TO COURT AND THEY'D HAVE A CRIMINAL RECORD.

UH, IN FACT, SBF NINE 46 SAYS, NO, YOU CAN'T DO THAT ANYMORE.

YOU NEED TO ONLY, YOU CAN ONLY USE ADMINISTRATIVE CITATION PROCESS, ADMINISTRATIVE FINES.

IN FACT, THOSE, ANY, ANY PERSONS WHO HAVE BEEN CONVICTED OF A, AN INFRACTION MISDEMEANOR AND I KNOW OF NONE IN EL CAHONE, UH, FOR THIS TYPE OF VIOLATION ACTUALLY CAN PETITION THE COURT TO REMOVE THAT, THAT VIOLATION FROM THEIR, THEIR RECORD.

UM, WHAT A SPNA 46 ALSO DOES IS THAT IT MANDATES, UM, THAT THE CITY CAN'T PROHIBIT SIDEWALK VENDING ENTIRELY.

YOU MUST HAVE SOME FORM OF SIDEWALK VENDING AVAILABLE TO YOUR, YOUR RESIDENTS OR PEOPLE THAT COME INTO THE COMMUNITY AND, AND WISH TO CONDUCT THEIR BUSINESS THAT WAY.

UM, SO, SO THERE AGAIN, TELLING THE CITY AGAIN, SACRAMENTO WAS TELLING THE CITY WHAT YOU MUST DO AS A AS OPPOSED TO, UM, HELPING US ALONG THE WAY TO DEAL WITH OUR LOCAL PROBLEMS. UM, AFTER HAVING REVIEWED SB NINE 46, WE'VE DEVELOPED THE DRAFT ORDINANCE AND UM, UH, THE ORDINANCE.

IT RECOGNIZES WHAT SB NINE 46 DOES, UH, IN A WAY THAT TALKS ABOUT TWO TYPES OF VENDING.

ONE IS A STATIONARY VENDOR THAT'S A PERSON WHO CAN SET UP A TABLE ON THE SIDEWALK, UM, PUT A BLANKET ON THE SIDEWALK OR I HAVE A CART OR AIRY SOMETHING ELSE SETTING THERE AND THEY WORK FROM THAT LOCATION.

THE OTHER IS A ROAMING SIDEWALK BENDER AND THAT'S SOMEBODY WHO ACTUALLY HAS A PUSHCART TO WAGON, UM, CAN WALK AROUND CARRYING AN A FRAME OVER THE SHOULDERS OR WHATEVER IT IS, A BACKPACK SELLING GOODS OR FOOD STUFFS OR, OR, OR WARES.

SO IN DEVELOPING THIS ORDINANCE, WE HAVE TO MAKE SOME DISTINCTION BETWEEN THE TWO OF THEM AND THAT IS HOPEFULLY CLEAR FROM THE ORDINANCE.

THE REASONS FOR THIS IS HOPEFULLY CLEAR.

SO LET ME TALK ABOUT A FEW HIGHLIGHTS.

GENERALLY SPEAKING, STATIONARY VENDORS WILL BE RESTRICTED IN THEIR LOCATIONS TO PROTECT PEDESTRIANS USING THE SIDEWALKS OR PEDESTRIAN PATHWAY.

UM, I MENTIONED THE TERM PEDESTRIAN PATHWAY BECAUSE SIDEWALK VENDORS ARE ALLOWED IN THE PARKS, UH, NOW AND UH, IT CAN BE ON SIDEWALKS IN WHAT THEY REFERRED TO IN THE LAW AS PEDESTRIAN PATHWAYS.

WE CAN ALLOW THEM TO ROAM THROUGHOUT THE PARKS OURSELVES IF WE WANTED TO.

BUT THIS ORDINANCE IS TO ADDRESS IT AND LEAVE THEM ON PEDESTRIAN PATHWAYS RATHER THAN WALKING THROUGHOUT THE PARK OR SETTING UP THEIR TABLES THROUGHOUT THE PARK.

ONE OF THE WAYS WE'VE TRIED TO DEAL WITH THE RESTRICTIONS, UH, UH, IS TO

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HELLO, HELLO.

REQUIRE THIS STATIONARY SIDEWALK VENDORS BM ON SIDEWALKS THAT ARE ONLY 10 FEET OR GREATER IN WIDTH.

AND THE REASON FOR THIS IS BECAUSE OUR SIDEWALKS CONVEY A LOT OF PEOPLE.

THEY CONVEY GOODS, THEY CONVEY, UM, UH, UTILITIES.

WE HAVE POLLS, TRAFFIC SIGNALS, UH, POWER LINES, UH, TELECOMMUNICATION FACILITIES THAT TAKE UP SPACE ON OUR SIDEWALKS, UH, CARS PARKED DIAGONALLY BY MOVING ACROSS THE SIDEWALK, THE CURB AND TAKE UP SPACE.

UH, AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, WE HAVE THE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE ADA COMPLIANT AND ALLOWING PEOPLE THAT ARE DISABLED TO HAVE ACCESS TO THE SIDEWALKS AND TO, TO, UM, AMBULATE SAFELY THROUGH THOSE THOSE WAYS.

AND THAT THE AMBULATION COULD BE THROUGH A WHEELCHAIR.

IT COULD BE ON CRUTCHES OR CANES, IT COULD BE WITH A WHITE CANE IF THEY'RE A SIGHT IMPAIRED, UH, OR IT COULD BE SIMPLY HAVING A PERSON, A S WALKING NEXT TO YOU AND, AND TAKING CARE OF YOU AND PROVIDING YOU THAT ASSISTANCE.

SO, UH, OBVIOUSLY WE NEED MORE SPACE FOR THAT TO OCCUR.

UM, AND WE FELT THAT A 10 FOOT WIDE SIDEWALK IS THE MINIMUM SIZE THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR THE STATIONARY TYPE VENDORS.

UH, AND TO ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS.

ANOTHER AREA OF CONCERN IS TO, UH, PREVENT THESE STATIONARY VENDORS FROM BEING CLOSE TO ONE ANOTHER AND CLOSE PROXIMITY TO ONE ANOTHER.

WE'VE FELT THAT, UH, HAVING THEM CONGREGATE IN AN AREA COULD CREATE CHOKE HOLE, A CHOKE POINTS IN A SIDEWALK.

UM, IT COULD CREATE MORE, UH, NOISE.

IT CAN CREATE A GREATER AMOUNT OF TRASH, UH, AND CUMULATION AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

SO WE RECOMMEND THAT THEY BE NO MORE THAN, UH, I THINK WE HAVE 20 FEET SPACE BETWEEN SIDEWALK VENDORS WHEN WE REGULATE THEM.

THIRD AREA WAS TO ADDRESS THE TRASH ACCUMULATION OF TRASH AND GARBAGE THAT IS PRODUCED.

MANY OF THESE ARE OUR VENDORS ARE SELLING FOOD, UM, YOU KNOW, HOT DOGS TO, TO UH, WHATEVER ELSE IT MIGHT HAVE PRE-PACKAGED SANDWICHES, THINGS THAT WILL RESULT IN TRASH BEING LEFT ON THE SIDEWALKS UNLESS, UNLESS THEY'RE, UH, DEALING WITH THAT ON THEIR OWN.

SO THEY WILL BE REQUIRED TO HAVE PLANS TO ADDRESS HOW TO COLLECT THE TRASH THAT'S GENERATED BY THEIR SITE.

A FOURTH AREA THAT WE'VE DEALT WITH IS TO, UH, ONLY ALLOW ROAMING VENDORS IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS.

AND THIS IS BECAUSE TWOFOLD REASONS FOR THIS.

ONE IS THE SIDEWALKS ARE MUCH, MUCH NARROWER IN THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS.

THEY'RE NORMALLY, I WOULD IMAGINE ABOUT FOUR FEET, FIVE FEET WIDE.

WE DON'T HAVE THE 10 FOOT SIDEWALKS AND RESIDENTIAL AREAS.

SO BY ALLOWING SOMEBODY TO BE A STATIONARY VENDOR, A WOULD TAKE, CREATE A, A GREATER PROBLEM FOR THOSE PERSONS WHO ARE WISHING TO USE THE PODESTA, USE THE SIDEWALK TO ACCESS, UH, UM, UH, SCHOOLS, CHURCHES, STORES AND THAT SORT OF THING.

UH, AND GETTING BACK AND FORTH FROM WORK.

THE OTHER IS THAT A RESIDENTIAL AREAS NEED TO HAVE A BIT OF QUIETNESS SOONER THAN THE COMMERCIAL AREAS.

SO WE HAVE RESTRICTED PROPOSED RESTRICTIONS THAT, UH, PREVENT THE NOISE AND THE OPERATIONS FROM OCCURRING TOO LATE IN THE EVENING.

UH, MANY SUCH CARTS MIGHT HAVE BELLS.

THEY MIGHT HAVE, UH, UH, RECORDED MESSAGES AND, AND LOUD SPEAKER TYPES OF THINGS.

AND WE DON'T WANT TO DISTURB THE PEACEFUL NATURE OF, OF RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES.

NOW THE RESTRICTIONS IN THE COMMERCIAL AREA CAN'T BE AS TO HOW LONG THEY CAN STAY OPEN, CAN'T BE ANY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE WOULD RESTRICT THE BRICK AND MORTAR TYPE OF BUSINESSES.

SO WE'VE USED, UM, UH, EIGHT O'CLOCK TO MIDNIGHT AS BEING THE TIME THAT THEY COULD BE LOCATED ON THE SIDEWALKS AND THE COMMERCIAL ZONES, UH, WHILE AT THE SAME TIME PROHIBITING THEM, THE STATIONARY VENDORS FROM BEING IN THE RESIDENTIAL ZONE.

ONE OTHER AREA OF CONCERN IS OUR PUBLIC PARKS.

UM, SB NINE 46 IS A BIT AMBIGUOUS AT BEST, BUT WE'VE INTERPRETED TO MEAN THAT IT, THE ACTIVITIES CAN BE RESTRICTED TO SIDEWALKS AND PEDESTRIAN PATHWAYS IN OUR PARKS, NOT TO ROAM THROUGHOUT THE PARK.

UH, AND, AND, UH, GOING FROM LOCATION TO LOCATION IN THE PARK.

UH, THIS IS SO, IT DOESN'T CONFLICT WITH THE PURPOSES OF OUR PARKS.

UM, WE DON'T WANT THEM SETTING UP AND, UH, VENDING IN AREAS THAT ARE USUALLY USED FOR RECREATIONAL PURPOSES.

AND SO WE, UH, PROPOSE THAT THEY BE LEFT ALLOWED TO BE ON THE SIDEWALKS AND PATHWAYS AS OPPOSED TO, UH, SETTING UP, AS I SAID, IN AREAS WHERE PEOPLE MIGHT BE PICNICKING, PEOPLE MIGHT BE, UM, THROWING A FRISBEE OR, OR YOU KNOW, UH, HAVING, YOU KNOW, RACES OR WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE, BASEBALL GAMES IN THE FIELD AND THE DIMES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

AND ALSO THE LAW DOES ALLOW US TO RESTRICT ANY USES OF OUR PARKS WHEN WE HAVE AN EXCLUSIVE CONCESSIONARY AGREEMENT.

AND I THINK WE HAVE ONE OR TWO OF THOSE WITH, UH, LITERALLY PROBABLY GROUPS OR SOMEBODY TO VIN, THEY'D HAVE THEIR, UM, UH, THEIR, UH,

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UH, SNACK SHACKS AND THINGS LIKE THAT IN THE PARKS.

UM, ALSO THE LAW DOES ALLOW US TO PREPARE, HABIT THEM IN THE IMMEDIATE VICINITY OF A SWAP MEETS OF A CERTIFIED FARMER'S MARKETS.

AND, UH, ANY USE THAT HAS A TEMPORARY USE PERMIT THAT WOULD INCLUDE, FOR EXAMPLE, THE MOTHER GOOSE PARADE EVENT OR, OR THE DOWNTOWN CAR SHOWS AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT HAVE, UM, A USE PERMIT THAT, THAT, UH, WE COULD, UH, LEGISLATE THEM OR REGULATE THE USE.

SO THE STREET VENDORS WOULDN'T BE ALLOWED TO TAKE UP SPACES ON THE SIDEWALK OR TO TO WANDER AND ROAM AROUND.

UM, ONE THING WE DID ADD TO THIS THAT WASN'T ADDRESSED BY SB NINE 46 WAS A RESTRICTION ON WHAT COULD BE SOLD.

WE DID THAT BY IDENTIFYING THOSE TYPES OF, THOSE TYPES OF GOODS OR SERVICES THAT THAT WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED BY SIDEWALK VENDORS.

UM, SMOKE, UH, SELLING TOBACCO PRODUCTS, CANNABIS PRODUCTS, ALCOHOL, UH, ADULT ENTERTAINMENT MATERIALS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

SO THAT'S OUTLINED IN THE ORDINANCE AS WELL.

AND FINALLY, WE NOT FINALLY, BUT, UH, ANOTHER ELEMENT THAT IS ALLOWED BY SB NINE 46 IS FOR US TO LICENSE THEM IN ORDER TO REGULATE THEM.

AND SO WE'VE SET UP THE LICENSING MECHANISM IN THIS ORDINANCE TO BE HANDLED BY THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT BECAUSE THEY'RE THE ONES RESPONSIBLE FOR THE RIGHTS OF WAY IN THE SIDEWALKS AND THEY CAN THEN WORK WITH VENDORS WHO COME TO GET LICENSES.

THERE ARE RESTRICTIONS ON WHAT WE CAN ASK FOR AND IT'S BUILT INTO THE, UH, THE ORDINANCE AS WELL AS THE, THE STATE LAW.

UM, AND THE LICENSE WOULD BE USED TO HELP PAY FOR ENFORCEMENT PROCEDURES IN THE FUTURE, BUT THEY COULD BE VERY HELPFUL IN PROVIDING THEM WITH THE LOCATION OF WHERE 10 FOOT SIDEWALKS ARE.

UH, WHAT OTHER RULES AND REGULATIONS WE MIGHT DEVELOP IN THE FUTURE.

UH, AND ALSO IT'S SOMETHING I TOUCHED ON BEFORE BECAUSE, UH, ENFORCEMENT CAN NO LONGER INCLUDE CRIMINAL PROSECUTION AND BECAUSE OUR ADMINISTRATIVE CITATION PROCESS IN THE MUNICIPAL CODE DIFFERS FROM THAT.

AND THEN, UH, ALLOWED BY SB NINE 46, WE DO MAKE SOME CERTAIN EXCEPTIONS AS TO THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF FINES THAT MAY BE IMPOSED BY OUR CODE COMPLIANCE PERSONNEL THROUGH THE, UH, ADMINISTRATIVE CITATION PROCESS.

SOME OF THE FINES ALLOWED BY SB NINE 46 ARE ACTUALLY GREATER THAN THE WAY WE HAVE STRUCTURED IT AND WE'VE DEVELOPED THE, THE UM, UH, FIND STRUCTURE CONSISTENT SPECIFICALLY FOR THIS TYPE OF ACTIVITY WITH WHAT SB NINE 46, UH, ALLOWS FOR US TO DO.

WE EXPECT THAT THE REGULATIONS ADOPTED BY THIS ORDINANCE MAY REQUIRE SOME MODIFICATION IN THE FUTURE.

THERE WILL LIKELY BE THOSE, UH, AREAS THAT WE NEED TO ALTER IN ORDER TO AVOID CONFLICT WITH SB NINE 46.

SO WE WILL BE CONTINUOUSLY MONITORING THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THIS ORDINANCE AND RECOMMEND CHANGES AS MAYBE NECESSARY IN THE FUTURE.

AND THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.

I'M AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS.

UH, I WAS WONDERING IF SOMEBODY HAS A BUSINESS ALONG, UM, SAY MAIN STREET WHERE THERE'S MORE THAN LET'S SAY 10 FEET OF SIDEWALK, WOULD THEY BE ABLE TO DISPLAY THEIR MERCHANDISER, UH, EXPAND THEIR BUSINESS OUT ONTO THE SIDEWALK? SAY IF THEY WANTED TO, UH, SET UP A COUPLE OF TABLES OUT THERE, IF THAT'S A RESTAURANT THAT THEY COULD SERVE PATRONS OUT THERE BECAUSE OF THE, THEY'D BE SIDEWALK VENDORS AND COULD THEY BE ALLOWED TO DO THAT IN FRONT OF THEIR BUSINESSES SO THAT THEY MIGHT GET A LITTLE MORE PUBLICITY FOR THEIR BUSINESSES? WELL, BY THE NATURE OF OUR CODES ALREADY, THEY, UM, IT COULD IX THROUGH, THROUGH OUR LAND USE POLICIES, COULD, UH, GET SOME OF IT, HAVE SOME SPACE ADDITIONAL TO WHAT THEY HAVE INSIDE.

UM, WE WOULD PROBABLY CONTINUE TO HANDLE THOSE AS A LAND USE MATTER AS OPPOSED TO JUST CALLING THEM SIDEWALK VENDORS.

SIDEWALK VENDORS WILL HAVE TO GET THEIR OWN SPECIAL LICENSE.

I UNDERSTAND IF A BUSINESS OWNER WANTS TO COME OUT AND GET THEIR OWN SPECIAL LICENSE IN ORDER TO BE IN OUR RIGHT OF WAY, UH, THEY COULD, YOU KNOW, WE COULD CONSIDER THAT.

I SUPPOSE IF THAT'S WHAT THE COUNCIL WANTS.

UH, BUT AGAIN, PART OF THE LICENSING PROCESS IS GOING TO REQUIRE INSURANCE AND HOLD HARMLESS AGREEMENTS AND ALL OF THAT NATURE.

AND WE ALREADY HANDLE THAT, UH, IN MANY WAYS WITH SOME OF OUR, UH, BUSINESSES.

UM, BUT I THINK OUR CURRENT CODE DOES NOT ALLOW THE OUTDOOR DISPLAY OF, OF GOODS AND MERCHANDISE.

SO THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE CHANGED.

WELL WITH THIS, A NEW CODE ALLOW FOR OUTDOORS DISPLAY OF MERCHANDISE AND GOODS.

NOW IS, I JUST MENTIONED THAT I PROBABLY DIDN'T SAY ARTICULATED CLEARLY ENOUGH, BUT THEY, IF THEY WERE GOING TO, IF THIS NEW ORDINANCE IS GOING TO ALLOW THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO HAVE THIS LICENSE IN ADDITION TO COMPLYING OTHERWISE WOULD THE, THE UH, ZONING CODE AND OUR ZONING CODE CURRENTLY, I BELIEVE PROHIBITS THE OUTDOOR DISPLAY OF GOODS AND MERCHANDISE AND WE'D HAVE TO, TO ADDRESS THAT.

WHAT WOULD OUR EXISTING BUSINESSES BE ABLE TO DISPLAY THEIR GOODS OUT ON THE

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SIDEWALK OR WOULD THEY HAVE TO HAVE THE SPECIAL LICENSE? EITHER HAVE TO HAVE A SPECIAL LICENSE OR WE'D HAVE TO CHANGE OUR ZONING CODE.

OH, THEY, IF THEY HAVE THE SPECIAL LICENSE THAT WOULD PROHIBIT OTHER PEOPLE WITHIN 20 FEET OF, UH, HAVING A SIDEWALK VENDING, UM, OF LIKE NATURE WITHIN 20 FEET OF WHERE THEY ARE.

IF THEY USE IT, THEY OBTAIN THEIR, UH, STREET VENDOR LICENSE.

THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO, UH, WE OWN ASSIGNED SPACES.

SO WE ARE NOT OUT THERE TO GIVE PEOPLE SPACES.

RIGHT.

SO IT'D BE ON ANY GIVEN DAY, IT'D BE A FIRST COME FIRST SERVE WITH SOMEBODY DOING SOMETHING.

I WONDER IF, UH, WE SHOULD CHANGE OUR ORDINANCE TO ALLOW EXISTING BUSINESSES TO DO SIDEWALK VENDING, UM, AT THEIR BUSINESSES SO THAT THEY, YOU KNOW, CAN USE THAT SPACE FOR THEMSELVES RATHER THAN HAVING OTHER PEOPLE, UH, USE IT IN FRONT OF THEIR BUSINESSES.

WELL THAT WOULD BE UP TO THE CITY COUNCIL.

WE CAN TALK ABOUT AGENDA ISING THAT ON FUTURE TIME, RIGHT.

MIGHT BE A GOOD IDEA.

BUT AGAIN, WE CANNOT DESIGNATE SPACES WHERE THEY HAVE TO BE OR THERE WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO ASSIGN THEM THAT PARTICULAR SPACE.

THEY'D HAVE TO BE OUT THERE THAT MORNING AHEAD OF THE VENDOR AND ANOTHER VENDOR TO DO THAT.

WELL, MOST BUSINESSES OPENED UP ON A, IN THE MORNING.

SO THEY'D BE PROBABLY THE FIRST ONE THERE OR IT COULD BE VERY EASILY YEAH.

STEVE, BECAUSE NOT EVERY STREET IN THE CITY HAS AN IMPROVED SIDEWALK.

HOW DOES THIS LAW APPLY TO THOSE AREAS? WE DID NOT, UH, DO NOT ALLOW THEM TO BE USED IN THE STREETS.

SO YOU COULD NOT PUT THEM, THEY WOULD JUST WOULD BE BY NATURE OR, OR BY, UH, BY FACT I GUESS IS THE BEST WAY TO PUT IT.

UNABLE TO OPEN UP A VENDING STAND, UH, WHERE THERE ISN'T A SIDEWALK.

SO TO CLARIFY, TO GET A LICENSE, YOU WOULD, YOU MUST BE ON AN APPROVED SIDEWALK EITHER AS A STATIONARY VENDOR OR A RUNNING VENDOR, BUT IT MUST BE AN IMPROVED SIDEWALK.

YES.

NOT TO GET THE LICENSE, BUT TO UTILIZE YOUR LICENSE.

UH, MORGAN, THANK YOU FOR SUCH A THOROUGH PROPOSED ORDINANCE.

I THINK YOU COVERED ALL THE BASES HERE.

WELL, THANK YOU.

ACTUALLY JUST IT WASN'T ME.

IT WAS ALSO MR EPPERSON, MR CHUTE AND UH, MR. CARSON WHO, UH, AND MR , UH, THAT, UH, WORKED HARD ON THIS ONE TOO TO GIVE, GIVE ME THE, THE TOOLS AND IDEAS OF WHAT TO PUT IN THERE AND THEY ARE THE ONES THAT HAVE REVIEWED IT AND PROVIDED THEIR COMMENTS TOO.

WELL, THANK YOU ALL.

DID A GREAT JOB OF, THERE'VE BEEN OTHER CITIES THAT YOU'VE TALKED TO ABOUT THIS.

I THINK THEY'RE ALL TALKING TO US.

YOU'VE DONE ALL THE LEGWORK.

THEN ANECDOTALLY, I THINK MR. CARSON HAS BEEN RECEIVING LOTS OF COMMUNICATIONS BECAUSE OF THE PARK NATURE OF THIS.

YOU KNOW, WHAT CITIES ARE DOING SOMETHING ABOUT THIS AND THERE IS, THERE IS SOME WORK BEING CONDUCTED BY OTHER FIRMS AND DRAWING ATTENTION TO THIS LAW, UH, AND WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.

BUT WE ARE PROBABLY ONE OF THE FIRST, IF NOT THE FIRST TO HAVE SOMETHING IN PLACE AS A RESULT OF THIS LEGISLATION.

RIGHT, EXACTLY.

UM, HOW DOES THIS AFFECT SALES TAX ISSUES? THEY STILL REQUIRE A BUSINESS LICENSE.

THEY'RE STILL BE REQUIRED TO, UH, COMPLY WITH AND IT'S IN THE ORDINANCE AS WELL AS THE LAW.

THEY COMPLY WITH THE NEED TO, TO COLLECT TAXES AND REMIT THE PROCEEDS OF THE, UH, THOSE TAXES TO, UH, TO THE STATE AND THEN TO COME BACK TO THE CITY.

DO WE HAVE A MECHANISM TO FOLLOW UP WITH THAT OR? WELL, OUR ORDINANCE REQUIRES THEM TO DO THAT AND UH, IF THEY AREN'T DOING THAT, THEN THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO REVOKE A LICENSE.

SURE.

DO WE HAVE ANY, UM, SPEAKER CARDS WITH THIS ON HIM? NO CARD, SIR.

ALRIGHT.

AH, THEY MAKE A MOTION THAT THE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING SOMEBODY SECOND THAT MOON SECOND, PLEASE VOTE.

YEAH.

MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF THOSE PRESENTS.

UM, SO IT'S OPEN TO DISCUSSION.

I MEAN, I, I THINK THIS IS A HORRIBLE OVERREACH OF THE STATE.

I'M OFFENDED.

UM, I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO BE GOOD FOR THE CITY IN ANY WAY, BUT LIKE MOST THINGS THAT COME FROM SACRAMENTO, WE HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO CHOICE BUT TO COMPLY.

YES, I AGREE.

THEY'RE, THEY'RE ALWAYS PUTTING PRESSURE ON US TO DO WHAT WE DON'T WANT TO DO OR SHOULDN'T DO.

AND IN BEHALF OF OUR CITIZENS AND FOR THE GOOD OF OUR CITY.

SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING I LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION.

THEN I'D MAKE A MOTION, UM, UH, TO MOVE THE ORDINANCE, UH, INTRODUCE THE ORDINANCE AND HAVE THE DIRECT THE CITY CLERK TO READ THE ORDINANCE.

SECOND MOVED IN SECOND AND PLEASE VOTE.

6.03 OF CHAPTER 2.56 OF THE OKLAHOMA MUNICIPAL CODE AND TO ADD CHAPTER 12.06 TO THE HUNG MUNICIPAL CODE REGARDING VENDING ON CITY, SIDEWALKS, SIDEWALKS, AND PEDESTRIAN PATHWAYS.

AND WITH YOUR PERMISSION, SIR, I WILL READ THE TITLE OF THE ORDINANCE AND ORDINANCE AMENDING TITLE 12 OF THE ALCOHOL MUNICIPAL CODE TO AMEND SECTION 2.5

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ITEM 15 IS MY ACTIVITIES REPORT AND AS AS REPORTED, UH, THERE'S NOTHING TO REPORT AT THE LEGISLATIVE UPDATE AT THIS TIME.

ALL RIGHT,

[13. ACTIVITIES REPORTS/COMMENTS OF MAYOR WELLS: SANDAG (San Diego Association of Governments); SANDAG Public Relations Selection Committee; League of California Cities, San Diego Division; Heartland Fire Training JPA – Alternate; LAFCO.]

AND

[14. ACTIVITIES REPORTS/COMMENTS OF COUNCILMEMBERS:]

WE ARE AT THE ACTIVITY REPORTS FOR COUNCIL MEMBERS MEMBER TIM GARY KENDRICK AS REPORTED ON ITEM 18 IS YOURS AS WELL.

MR KENDRICK, WOULD YOU TELL US ABOUT THIS PLEASE? YES.

UH, I'VE OBSERVED THE GREAT SUCCESS OF THE PROGRAM THAT DOWNTOWN PARTNERS HAVE TO CLEAN UP THE DOWNTOWN AREA AND THEN DO THEIR JURISDICTION.

AND THEY CURRENTLY CONTRACT WITH EAST COUNTY TRANSITIONAL LIVING CENTER AND A LOT OF THESE PEOPLE WATCH YOU.

ALL OF THE PEOPLE ARE IN SOME SORT OF DRUG OR ALCOHOL REHAB PROGRAM THAT HAS ACTUALLY BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL.

AND WHAT I'M PROPOSING IS THAT WE CONTRACT OUT WITH EAST COUNTY TRANSITIONAL LIVING CENTER FOR NEIGHBORHOOD CLEANUP SERVICES ALL AROUND THE CITY.

AND THE ADVANTAGE OF THE DIS HAS IS BECAUSE WE CONTRACT WITH THEM, IT DOESN'T AFFECT THE CITY'S, UH, WORKERS' COMP RATE AND THEY CLEARLY KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING.

THEY'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR QUITE A LONG TIME.

THE BUSINESSES ARE VERY PLEASED WITH IT AND IT GIVES A LOT OF FORMERLY HOMELESS PEOPLE AN OPPORTUNITY, UH, TO HAVE A JOB AND CONTRIBUTED TO SOCIETY AND GET PAID FOR IT.

HOW MUCH DOES IT COST? WELL, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE CITY IS GOING TO HAVE TO DECIDE WITH THESE COUNTY TRANSITIONAL LIVING CENTER SO THEY CAN COME.

I LIKE TO STAFF TO COME BACK WITH A REPORT OR PROPOSALS.

MAYBE IT'S CERTAIN SECTIONS OF THE CITY TO START OUT.

UH, I TRUST THE STAFF TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT, UH, WE CAN AFFORD.

UH, WELL NOT ONLY THAT, THAT I'M HAVING THEM CLEAN UP DIFFERENT AREAS AND, UH, WE'RE HOMELESS PROBABLY, OR HANGING OUT TOO.

UH, THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO INTERACT WITH THOSE HOMELESS AND SHOW THEM THAT THERE'S A BETTER WAY OF LIVING YOUR LIFE AND MIGHT EVEN ATTRACT SOME PEOPLE TO GET OFF THE STREET AND GET INTO THE PROGRAM TO WHERE THEY CAN CLEAN UP THEIR LIVES TOO, AND BECOME, UM, PAY A TAX PAYERS INSTEAD OF TAX USERS OR, UH, SPRAYING ON THE INNOCENT IN THE CITY OR THE, UM, THEFT AND ALL THAT, THAT A LOT OF IT HAPPENS.

SO, UH, ANYWAY, I WOULD HIGHLY ENCOURAGE THE STAFF TO, UM, SET UP A PROGRAM AND MAYBE, UH, NOT EVERY DAY IN EVERY AREA, BUT, UH, THEY COULD HIT DIFFERENT AREAS, UM, MAYBE ONCE A WEEK IN DIFFERENT AREAS AND, AND JUST CLEAN UP THOSE AREAS AND IT WOULD MAKE THE CITY A LOT MORE LIVABLE, A LOT MORE BEAUTIFUL.

AND I THINK IT WOULD ATTRACT A LOT OF ATTENTION FROM, UH, THE CITIZENS THAT THEY REALLY APPRECIATE HAVING THEIR AREAS CLEANED.

TWO THOUGHTS.

NUMBER ONE, A THANK YOU TO CHRISTINE COSTA FOR WASTE MANAGEMENT.

ABOUT A YEAR AGO WE TALKED ABOUT THE ISSUE OF ILLEGALLY DISCARDED TRASH IN THE CITY OF EL CAHONE.

AND SHE POINTED OUT TO ME THAT THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA HAS A CAL RECYCLE GRANT AND THEIR ISSUE TO CITIES TO SPECIFICALLY HOLLOWAY ILLEGALLY DUMPED TRASH IN A CITY.

WE MISSED THE DEADLINE FOR LAST YEAR, BUT SHE ALERTED ME, UH, FOR THIS YEAR.

AND SO WE BOTH HAVE ALERTED THE CITY STAFF TO LOOK INTO APPLYING FOR ONE OF THOSE GRANTS, WHICH COULD FUND THIS WHOLE THING TO A GRANT FROM CAL RECYCLE, WHICH WOULD BE INCREDIBLE.

NUMBER TWO, I THINK IT'S AN EXCELLENT IDEA THAT THE ALCOHOLIC COMMUNITY CLEANUP VOLUNTEER GROUP HAS BEEN GOING SINCE JULY, JUST PAST 11,000 POUNDS THIS PAST WEEKEND.

BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO GO FOREVER.

SO SOMEBODY HAS TO PICK UP AND GO FOR THE REST OF THE CITY.

AND I THINK IT'S AN EXCELLENT EXAMPLE TO OR IDEA TO GIVE PEOPLE, UH, THE STEAM AND ACCOMPLISHMENT AND ALL SORTS OF GOOD THINGS TO, AS PART OF, WE CALL IT TRANSITIONAL LIVING CENTER.

THIS IS PART OF THE TRANSITION OF GIVING THEM THE SUCCESSES IN LIFE AND THE FEELING THAT THEY CONTRIBUTE TO A BETTER COMMUNITY.

SO IT'S A GREAT IDEA TO LOOK AT THIS PROGRAM.

PUT ON THE SIDEWALK OR THE, WHEREVER IT HAPPENS.

LET'S SEE IF THERE'S ANY, UH, SPEAKER CARDS INSIDE THEM.

I'M UP IN OUR AREA.

I WALK, UM, MY MOTHER-IN-LAW'S DOG EVERY NIGHT AND IF I SEE ANY TRASH, I GENERALLY PICK IT UP AND, AND TAKE IT ALONG WITH ME WITH THE BAG THAT I CARRY FOR THE, FOR WHATEVER'S

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AND, UM, I, I TAKE CARE OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD SO I DON'T THINK THEY'D HAVE TO DO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO I PRETTY WELL TAKE CARE OF THAT ONE.

GOOD.

SO I LEAVE TOSS.

I SOMEBODY LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION.

WELL, I WOULD MOVE THAT THE, UH, CITY STAFF FIND A WAY THAT THEY CAN PART WITH A FEW SHEKELS AND, UH, FUND THIS PROGRAM AND UM, DO IT, UM, IN SUCH A WAY THAT THEY MAYBE HIT AN AREA, DIFFERENT AREA EVERY, UM, COUPLE OF WEEKS OR EVERY MONTH OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND KEEP OUR CITY A LOT CLEANER.

JUST TO BE CLEAR, YOU'RE ASKING IF IT WERE COME BACK WITH A PROPOSAL BUT WE OURS.

YES.

IS THERE A SECOND FOR THAT MOTION? SECOND.

MOVED AND SECONDED.

PLEASE VOTE.

UM, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBER GLOBAL.

I NEED YOUR VOTE PLEASE.

COOL.

THE BUTTONS.

LET'S ALL NEED YOU TO CLEAR IT.

PLEASE.

LET ME, LET ME CLEAR THE .

ALL RIGHTY.

PLEASE VOTE.

EXCELLENT.

WE LOOK FORWARD TO THAT.

UM, COUNCIL MEMBER MCCLELLAN AS REPORTED AND COUNCIL MEMBER GOLDWELL AS RECORDED.