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[ CALL TO ORDER]
THIS MEETING TO ORDER.I'LL JUST, UM, ROLL CALL PLEASE.
SO PRESENT AND COMMISSIONER VAAS PRESENT.
WELCOME TO THE EL CAJON PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.
THIS MEETING IS BEING LIVE STREAMED ON THE EL CAJON CITY.
AND PLEASE RISE, RISE FOR THE PLEDGE.
PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE, THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND, AND TO THE REPUBLIC.
FORGET ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE SPRAWL.
[ CHAIRPERSON’S WELCOME]
TO THE EL CAJON PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.THIS MEETING IS BEING LIVE STREAMED ON THE CITY OF EL CAJON WEBSITE.
APPEALS OF FINAL DECISIONS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION MADE THIS EVENING MUST BE FILED IN WRITING WITH THE CITY CLERK BEFORE 5:00 PM MONDAY, OCTOBER 31ST, 2022.
AND MUST INCLUDE THE PAYMENT OF A FILING FEE.
IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK ON EITHER A NON AGENDA OR AN AGENDA ITEM TONIGHT, PLEASE FILL OUT A REQUEST TO SPEAK CARD LOCATED BY AN AGENDA BY THE AGENDA, AND TURN IT INTO THE SECRETARY WHO WILL CALL YOU UP TO SPEAK.
WHEN THE AGENDA ITEM COMES UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, WE WILL ASK YOU TO GIVE YOUR NAME, THE SPELLING OF YOUR LAST NAME.
SPEAKERS ARE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES.
THE DISPLAY ON THE PODIUM, AS WELL AS THE OTHER MONITORS IN THE CHAMBERS WILL SHOW TIME COUNTING DOWN AT 30 SECONDS.
THE PODIUM CLOCK WILL READ OUT, WILL TURN RED.
SIGNIFYING YOU HAVE 30 SECONDS UNTIL THE END OF YOUR TIME.
APPLICANTS AND INDIVIDUALS REPRESENTING GROUPS OF PEOPLE MAY BE ALLOWED MORE TIME IF APPROPRIATE.
ALL PUBLIC HEARING COMMENTS SHOULD BE ADDRESSED TO ME AS THE CHAIR OF THE COMMISSION AND NOT INTO INDIVIDUAL COMMISSIONERS OR STAFF MEMBERS.
AS ALWAYS, PLEASE TURN OFF ALL ELECTRONIC DEVICES IF YOU HAVE NOT ALREADY DONE SO PURSUANT TO THE CITY COUNCIL RESOLUTION NUMBER 114 DASH 79, A COMMISSIONER WHO'S RECEIVED EVIDENCE RELATED TO A MATTER BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION OTHER THAN OTHER THAN AN UNESCORTED VIEW OF THE, THIS SUBJECT PROPERTY IS REQUIRED TO DISCLOSE SUCH INFORMATION AT THE HEARING.
AT THIS TIME, WE WILL TAKE COMMENTS FROM ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC ON ANY ITEMS OF B OF BUSINESS WITHIN THE JURISDICTION OF THE COMMISSION.
THAT IS NOT ON THE AGENDA UNDER STATE LAW.
NO ACTION CAN BE TAKEN ON ITEMS BROUGHT FORWARD UNDER PUBLIC COMMENT EXCEPT REFERRED STAFF FOR ADMINISTRATION OR PLACE IT ON A FUTURE AGENDA.
IF THERE'S ANYONE WHO WISHES TO ADDRESS A, THE COMMISSION UNDER PUBLIC COMMENT, PLEASE COME FORWARD.
AND SINCE THERE'S NOBODY, WERE THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS SUBMITTED PRIOR TO THE MEETING? NO.
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ON TO THE CONSENT CALENDAR.A SINGLE MOTION WILL COVER ALL ITEMS ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR.
DOES THE COMMISSION WISH TO PULL A CONSENT CALENDAR ITEM FOR DISCUSSION? NOPE.
DOES THE STAFF WISH TO PULL A CONSENT ITEM? NO CHANGES FROM STAFF.
SO I MOVED TO ADOPT THE MINUTES AS RECORDED.
BOAT MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.
[Public Hearing Item 2]
THE FIRST ITEM ON THE CALENDAR AND WHY? SORRY.[00:05:01]
UM, ITEM AGENDA, ITEM TWO.SEVEN 11 OFF SALE ALCOHOL SALES AND GREAT.
GREAT, THANK YOU CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS.
UM, ITEM NUMBER TWO FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION IS A REQUEST FOR OFF SALE ALCOHOL, UH, BUT MORE SPECIFICALLY BEER AND WINE SALES AT AN EXISTING SEVEN 11.
SO AS YOU MAY RECALL, THIS ITEM WAS ORIGINALLY SCHEDULED FOR THE OCTOBER 4TH PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.
UH, BUT THE HEARING WAS CONTINUED TO TONIGHT AT THE REQUEST OF THE APPLICANT.
SO THE STORY IS LOCATED AT 500 NORTH SECOND STREET AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF NORTH SECOND STREET AND EAST MADISON AVENUE.
UH, TO THE NORTH AND WEST OF THE SITE IS CARL'S JUNIOR, IS A CARL'S JUNIOR RESTAURANT AND THE REMAINDER OF THE MADISON PLAZA SHOPPING CENTER.
UM, SOUTH OF THE SITE IS THE TOWN AND COUNTRY SHOPPING CENTER, AS WELL AS THE LIQUOR TOWN LIQUOR STORE AT THREE 30 NORTH SECOND STREET.
THEN TO THE EAST ACROSS SECOND STREET IS THE DIEGO VALLEY EAST PUBLIC CHARTER SCHOOL.
SO, FOR BACKGROUND, I WANTED TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, UH, THE ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE CONTROL ACT AND, UH, THE MO MORATORIUM THAT APPLIES TO THE CITY OF OC CAJON.
UM, SO THERE IS A MORATORIUM ON THE ISSUANCE OF NEW OFF SALE LICENSES IN THE CITY.
UH, AND THAT'S BECAUSE THE RATIO OF OFF SALE LICENSES EXCEEDS ONE, UH, PER E PER 2,500 INHABITANTS WITHIN THE CITY.
BUT STAFF WANTS TO NOTE THAT THE ABC HAS INTERPRETED THAT THIS MORATORIUM ONLY APPLIES TO NEW APPLICATIONS ONLY AND THEREFORE THE TRANSFER OF A LICENSE FROM A LOCATION WITHIN THE CITY WOULD NOT FALL UNDER THE MORATORIUM FOR A NEW LICENSE.
ADDITIONALLY, STAFF WANTED TO NOTE THAT THE DEEMED APPROVED ALCOHOL SALES ORDINANCE ALSO APPLIES TO THE REQUEST AND WAS APPROVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL BACK IN 2013.
THE ORDINANCE DOES INDICATE THAT A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IS REQUIRED FOR CONVENIENCE MARKETS WITH LESS THAN 10% OF FLOOR AREA FOR BEER AND WINE DISPLAY.
AND THAT NEW STORES NEED TO BE LOCATED IN A CENSUS TRACT WITH CAPACITY FOR ADDITIONAL LICENSES WITH LOW TO AVERAGE CRIME RATES, AND THAT THE NEW STORE MUST ACQUIRE AN EXISTING OFF SALE LICENSE FROM AN OVER CONCENTRATED CENSUS TRACT IN THE CITY AND THEN RELOCATE THAT LICENSE OR ELIMINATE THE LICENSE.
SO ESSENTIALLY, LOOKING BACK AT THE GOAL OF THE CITY COUNCIL IN 2013, IT WAS REALLY NOT TO INCREASE THE NUMBER OF LICENSES IN THE CITY, BUT TO ALLOW MORE FLEXIBILITY FOR THE EXISTING LICENSES AND OUR EXISTING OVER CONCENTRATION TO BE BETTER DISPERSED THROUGHOUT THE CITY, UM, IN ORDER TO MEET, UH, THE NEEDS OF THE PUBLIC.
SO SPECIFIC TO THIS PROPERTY, UH, THE SUBJECT SITE IS LOCATED IN CENSUS TRACT 1 63 0.02.
SO THIS CENSUS TRACT CURRENTLY HAS FOUR ACTIVE OFF SALE LICENSES, AND THE ABC'S AUTHORIZED NUMBER OF OFF SALE LICENSES FOR THIS CENSUS TRACT IS THREE, THUS MAKING THIS CENSUS TRACT AN OVER CONCENTRATED CENSUS TRACT.
SO SINCE THE SUBJECT SITE DOES NOT HAVE CAPACITY FOR ADDITIONAL OFF SALE LICENSES AS DEFINED BY THE ABC, ADDING A LICENSE TO THIS LOCATION WOULD NOT BE CONSISTENT WITH THE FINDING THAT THE AREA IN WHICH THE OFF SALE LICENSE IS REQUESTED HAS CAPACITY.
UH, THE SECOND, UH, FACT THAT YOU SEE HERE ON THIS SLIDE IS THAT THE AVERAGE CRIME RATE FOR THE CITY IS 164 OFFENSES PER DISTRICT.
SO WHEN LOOKING AT CRIME, UH, THE ABC USES 120% OF THE CITYWIDE AVERAGE AS A THRESHOLD, UH, FOR AVERAGE CRIME, AND THAT IS WOULD BE 197 OFFENSES.
SO THE TOTAL NUMBER OF OFFENSES FOR THE, UH, SUBJECT CENSUS TRACT WAS 280 OFFENSES, UH, OR 170% OF THE CITYWIDE AVERAGE.
SO, UH, A RANGE OF 120% TO 200% OF THE CITYWIDE AVERAGE IS CONSIDERED HIGH BASED ON ABC CRITERIA.
SO HERE I JUST WANNA ILLUSTRATE, UH, THE CRIME RATE MAP FOR THE CITY.
SO YOU, YOU CAN SEE THE BLUE AREAS HAVE AN AVERAGE CRIME, UH, LEVEL, AND THEN THE YELLOW AREAS ARE HIGH CRIME AND THE RED AREAS ARE VERY HIGH CRIME.
SO I IDENTIFIED THE SUBJECT SITE, UH, WITH A WHITE STAR, JUST IT CUZ IT BEST CONTRASTED WITH THE OTHER COLORS THAT WERE, UH, PRODUCED ON THE MAP.
SO YOU CAN SEE IT'S LOCATED ON THE VERY SOUTHEAST CORNER OF, OF THE CENSUS TRACT.
AND I DID WANT TO NOTE THAT IT IS ADJACENT, UH, TO THE HIGHEST, UM, CRIME RATE, UH, CENSUS TRACK THAT WE HAVE IN THE CITY.
SO IMMEDIATELY TO THE SOUTH ACROSS EAST MADISON AVENUE, UH, THAT CENSUS TRACT HAS, UH, HAD 533 OFFENSES OR 325% OF THE CITYWIDE AVERAGE.
SO I ALSO WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT LASTLY THAT, UM, THIS REQUEST WAS REVIEWED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL, UH, BACK IN 2014.
UM, IT WAS REVIEWED UNDER CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT 2 1 95, AND IT WAS, UM, PRETTY SOON AFTER THE DEEMED TO PROVE ALCOHOL ORDINANCE WAS, UH, APPROVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL.
SO, UM, AGAIN, CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
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SECOND STREET.IT'S THE SAME REQUEST THAT YOU'RE SEEING TONIGHT.
UM, I WANTED TO JUST NOTE, UH, FOR THE RECORD, UH, THAT, UH, THE REQUEST WAS DENIED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THEN APPEALED AND SUBSEQUENTLY DENIED BY THE CITY COUNCIL.
AND I ALSO WANTED TO ADD, UH, THE VOTING RECORD HERE JUST TO ILLUSTRATE, UM, SOME OF OUR CURRENT PLANNING COMMISSIONERS, UH, VOTED ON THE REQUEST, UM, BACK IN 2014.
SO COMMISSIONERS, SERCO, MAROSE AND SOT LING HAD ALL VOTED TO DENY THE REQUEST BACK IN 2014, UH, WITH THE SAME CIRCUMSTANCES OF AN OVER CONCENTRATED CENSUS TRACT AND HIGH CRIME RATE.
SO STAFF IS RECOMMENDING DENIAL OF THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, UH, BECAUSE THE REQUIRED FINDINGS CAN'T BE MADE.
AND THAT'S SPECIFICALLY, AGAIN, DUE TO THE CENSUS TRACT ASSOCIATED WITH THE SUBJECT SITE HAVING AN OVER CONCENTRATION OF EXISTING OFF SALE LICENSES AND BECAUSE OF THE HIGH CRIME RATE.
SO, STAFF'S AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
UM, I'D LIKE TO OPEN IT FOR PUBLIC COMMENT IF ANYONE IN OH,
UM, THE FACT THAT THERE'S A, A SCHOOL ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE SEVEN 11 WILL ALSO THAT HAVE ANY BEARING ON IT.
THERE'S AN EXEMPTION FOR, UM, CONVENIENCE MARKETS WITH LESS THAN 10%, UM, DISPLAY AREA TO APPLY FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
SO THE DISTANCE REQUIREMENT, UH, DOES NOT APPLY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I JUST VOTED YES,
UM, I, I, I'M NOT SURE IF THIS IS THE APPROPRIATE TIME FOR THE QUESTION, BUT JUST TO FIND OUT, IS THERE SOMETHING, IS THERE A DIFFERENT CONDITION THAT EXISTS NOW THAT THIS APP, THE APPLICATION IS COMING BACK AROUND, OR IF IT'S JUST, JUST TRYING AGAIN, UM, EACH TIME A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT COMES FORWARD? UM, STAFF'S ANALYSIS IS BASED ON, UM, THE NUMBER, EXCUSE ME, THE NUMBER OF LICENSES THAT ARE IN EACH INDIVIDUAL TRACT AND, UM, THE SPECIFIC, SPECIFIC LEVEL OF CRIME ASSOCIATED, UM, WITH THAT, WITH THAT CENSUS TRACT.
SO, UM, THE DATA BACK IN 2014, UM, WOULD'VE BEEN SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT FOR THE NUMBER OF OFFENSES AND THE CRIME RATE.
UH, BUT THEY STILL, UM, REMAIN CONSISTENT AT THE HIGH LEVEL AND THE OVER CONCENTRATION.
SO IT'S ESSENTIALLY THE SAME REQUEST, UH, BUT LOOKING AT CURRENT DATA.
TO OPEN IT FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, WE HAVE TWO SPEAKER CARDS.
UH, THEY'RE COLOR COPIES THAT WOULD SHOW YOU THE INSIDE OF THE STORE.
IF I COULD CIRCULATE THOSE, PLEASE.
BRUCE EVANS LAST NAME IS E V A N S.
I'M HERE TONIGHT REPRESENTING KASHMIRA AND HER HUSBAND TOCHAR BARUCH.
THEY'RE THE FRANCHISEES OF THIS STORE, AND I'M ALSO REPRESENTING SEVEN 11.
THERE'S JUST TWO SPEAKERS TONIGHT.
KASHMIRA WILL NOT NEED MORE THAN THREE MINUTES.
IF I COULD RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR AN EXTRA MINUTE OR TWO, UH, IF I NEED IT, I WOULD GREATLY APPRECIATE IT.
UM, FIRST OF ALL, UM, THANK YOU TO STAFF.
THEY'VE BEEN VERY PROFESSIONAL THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS.
WE HAVE SOME DISAGREEMENTS, WHICH I'LL GET TO.
UM, AND THANK YOU TO THE COMMISSION FOR THE CONTINUANCE A COUPLE WEEKS AGO.
UH, COVID FINALLY CAUGHT UP TO ME AFTER TWO AND A HALF YEARS, UM, GREAT.
NOW TESTED NEGATIVE, UH, ALL GOOD.
BUT I DO APPRECIATE THE CONTINUANCE.
UM, COMMISSIONER VI VALEZ, IF I'M PRONOUNCING YOUR NAME INCORRECTLY, I APOLOGIZE.
UM, BEFORE I GET STARTED, I WANNA ADDRESS YOUR QUESTION RIGHT OFF THE BAT.
UM, THERE IS SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
I WASN'T HERE, UH, ALL THOSE YEARS AGO WHEN 7-ELEVEN CAME IN.
IT WAS A DIFFERENT FRANCHISEE AT THE TIME.
UH, WHAT'S FUNDAMENTALLY DIFFERENT IS WE FOUND A LICENSE THAT WE COULD BUY, UH, AND TO TRANSFER OUT OF EL CAJON OR CANCEL THAT LICENSE.
UH, THEY DIDN'T HAVE THAT AS PART OF THEIR APPLICATION LAST TIME.
SO I THINK THAT'S KEY BECAUSE IT MAKES US, UH, I WOULD, I WOULD ARGUE COMPLIANT WITH THIS ORDINANCE THAT, THAT WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT.
IT ALSO MAKES US FUNDAMENTALLY DIFFERENT FROM THE ALDI APPLICATION THAT I KNOW WAS, WAS IN FRONT OF YOU A COUPLE WEEKS AGO.
AND I I DID, I DID WATCH MOST OF THAT HEARING.
UM, SO, UM, I'M GONNA START WITH THE STATUTE BECAUSE IF IF WE CAN'T OVERCOME THE STATUTE AND WE CAN'T OVERCOME THE ORDINANCE AS, AS, AS STAFF IS APPLYING
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IT, THEN WE DON'T EVEN GET TO THE COMMISSION EXERCISING YOUR DISCRETION.AND THAT'S NOT HOW THE STATE STATUTE IS SUPPOSED TO WORK.
SO, JUST A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND THAT WHAT'S COMMONLY REFERRED TO AS THE CALERA BILL, HE WAS THE ASSEMBLYMAN THAT, THAT PUSHED THIS FORWARD IN 96 OR 97.
AND THE IDEA WAS THAT IF A CITY DID NOT HAVE A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT ORDINANCE LIKE EL CAJON DOES, THEN A CITY MIGHT NOT HAVE A GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO WEIGH IN ON THE STATE ALCOHOL LICENSING PROCESS.
UM, SO, UH, THEY WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE CITIES HAD THAT OPPORTUNITY AGAIN IF THEY DIDN'T HAVE A C P ORDINANCE.
SO THEY, THEY CREATED THESE TRIGGERS, THESE TWO BASELINES, WHICH IS UNDUE CONCENTRATION.
AND THEN THE CRIME, THE UNDUE CONCENTRATION, AND THIS IS KEY, IT, AND, AND THIS IS WHY I THINK STAFF IS, IS CLEARLY A MISTAKEN RESPECTFULLY, IS THE STATUTE DOESN'T SPEAK TO A CAPACITY FOR A CERTAIN NUMBER OF LICENSE.
THAT THERE'S, THAT, THAT THEY REACHED CAPACITY.
THAT'S NOT THE PURPOSE OF THE STATUTE.
THE PURPOSE OF THE STATUTE IS FOR YOU TO EXERCISE YOUR DISCRETION.
YOU CAN EXERCISE YOUR DISCRETION AND CONCLUDE THERE'S TOO MUCH ALCOHOL IN A PARTICULAR AREA.
IT'S A GOOD PROJECT, IT'S A BAD PROJECT.
THAT'S WHAT'S THE INTENT OF THE PUBLIC CONVENIENCE OR NECESSITY STATUTE IS THE INTENT IS NOT TO STOP THE CONVERSATION WHEN A, WHEN A CENSUS TRACT HAS UNDUE CONCENTRATION.
UM, SO IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, IF YOU'RE GONNA PUT THE ALCOHOL IN COMMERCIALLY ZONED DISTRICTS FOR RETAIL, YOU WILL END UP OFTEN WITH UNDUE CONCENTRATION BECAUSE OF GOOD LAND USE PLANNING AND ZONING, NOT IN SPITE OF IT, BECAUSE THE, THE RATIO THAT THE ABC COMES UP WITH, IT'S BASED ON CENSUS TRACK POPULATION WHERE PEOPLE LIVE, AND PEOPLE DON'T TEND TO LIVE WHERE YOU'RE GONNA CONCENTRATE THEIR RETAIL USES.
SO IT'S NOT A DETERMINATION BY THE STATE OF THE ABC THAT THIS IS THE ONLY AMOUNT OF LICENSES IT SHOULD ISSUE, AND THAT ANYTHING BEYOND THAT IS TOO MUCH.
THAT'S PART OF YOUR DISCRETION.
SO, UM, AGAIN, WE FOUND A LICENSE TO BUY.
WE'RE WELL AWARE, UM, YOU KNOW, I TRIED TO DO MY HOMEWORK.
I DON'T WANNA PUT A CLIENT IN ANY SITUATION THAT HA IS, IS A, YOU KNOW, HAS A PROJECT THAT'S DEAD ON ARRIVAL.
BUT WE TOOK OUR TIME, WE FOUND A LICENSE, UH, THAT'S DEVON'S LICENSE.
IT'S A TIGHT 21 LIQUOR LICENSE.
WE'RE GONNA MOVE THAT LICENSE OUT OF THE CITY OF EL CAJON.
AND IF WE CAN'T MOVE IT OUT, WE HAVE A PENDING APPLICATION DO THAT, WE'RE GONNA CANCEL IT.
THAT MAKES IT A DEAD LICENSE FOR PURPOSES OF, OF, OF THE STATUTE.
SO CLEARLY WE COMPLY WITH THE FIRST PRONG.
UM, I THINK IT WAS EVIDENT IN THE ALDI HEARING THAT THE ORDINANCE IS NOT WORKING LIKE IT'S SUPPOSED TO.
IT'S, IT'S, IT'S NOT, IT'S PRECLUDING YOU FROM EXERCISING YOUR DISCRETION AND IT'S KILLING GOOD PROJECTS.
AND I THINK MOST IMPORTANTLY YEAH, WE HAVE A ANOTHER MINUTE.
WE GAVE YOU ANOTHER MINUTE, SO JUST WRAP IT UP.
THERE ARE, UH, ONE IN, ONE IN EVERY FOUR LICENSES IN THIS CITY IS A, IS A LIQUOR STORE UNDER THE STAFF'S INTERPRETATION.
THIS ORDINANCE, YOU'RE INSULATING THOSE LIQUOR STORES.
WE HAVE TWO LIQUOR STORES IN THIS SENSORS TRACK, AND THERE'S ONLY FOUR LICENSES.
YOU'RE INSULATING THOSE NON-CONFORMING LIQUOR STORES WITHOUT BEING ABLE TO APPROVE NEW BUSINESSES THAT ARE CONFORMING THAT THE CITY HAS ALL THE CONTROL OVER.
UM, AND I JUST WANNA REITERATE, IF YOU LOOK AT THESE PICTURES, YOU'LL SEE THIS IS A SMALL GROCERY STORE, THE DAYS OF, YOU KNOW, SODA POP AND CANDY AND, AND, AND THAT BEING, IT, THAT, THAT'S GONE.
THEY HAVE FRESH FOOD DELIVERED TO THAT STORE EVERY DAY.
IF YOU LOOK AT THOSE PHOTOS, YOU'LL SEE MILK, YOU'LL SEE FRESH JUICE, YOU, YOU'LL SEE BREAD, FRUIT, YOU'LL SEE ALL OF THAT.
YOU SHOULD BE EXERCISING YOUR DISCRETION TO MAKE THAT DETERMINATION.
I THINK WE BROUGHT FORTH A GOOD PROPOSAL.
AND WE WOULD ASK IT TO EXERCISE YOUR DISCRETION.
AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
UM, THE VONS, UH, LIQUOR LICENSE, THE TYPE 21, UH, VANCE CLOSED DOWN A LONG TIME AGO.
SO THE, UH, LICENSE WAS STILL ACTIVE WHEN YOU PURCHASED IT, BECAUSE I I THOUGHT IT WAS INACTIVE.
SO, SO STAFF IN THEIR REPORT, THEY SAID THEY DON'T CONSIDER IT, UH, BASICALLY A GOOD, A GOOD LICENSE TO BUY THE STATUTE SAYS YOU HAVE TO TRANSFER OR CANCEL AN EXISTING LICENSE.
IT IS ABSOLUTELY AN EXISTING LICENSE UNDER THE PLAIN MEANING OF THAT STATUTE.
AND HERE IT'S, IT'S EXISTING BECAUSE IT HASN'T BEEN CANCELED YET.
UH, SOMEBODY CAN, A LICENSE CAN STILL BE MAINTAINED AND SURRENDERED STATUS, EVEN IF THE BUSINESS CLOSES.
IT COULD BE USED IN EL CAJON, IT COULD BE USED ELSEWHERE, IT CAN BE BOUGHT AND SOLD.
WE HAVE A DEAL NOW TO, UH, TO BUY THAT LICENSE AND MOVE IT OUTTA EL CAJON OR CANCEL IT, EITHER ONE.
BUT IT IS AN EXISTING LICENSE.
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FOR EL CAJON PURPOSES, THAT LICENSE IS VALID.THEY'RE STILL PAYING FEES ON IT AND IT IS SURRENDERED, BUT, BUT ALSO IN AN, UH, CONSIDERED AN ACTIVE LICENSE FOR PURPOSES OF THE ABC.
I'M THE FRANCHISEE OF THE SEVEN 11, AND THAT'S MY HUSBAND.
WE BOTH RUN THE STORE FROM LAST SEVEN YEARS.
DO YOU HAVE, CAN YOU HAVE THE SPELLING OF YOUR LAST NAME PLEASE? YEAH.
SO I'VE BEEN RUNNING THAT STORE FROM LAST SEVEN YEARS AND WE SERVE OUR COMMUNITY.
LIKE ME AND MY HUSBAND, WE BOTH WORK LIKE, MOSTLY LIKE SIX TO SEVEN DAYS.
SO, AND FOR OUR CUSTOMER, WE PROVIDE LIKE A LOT OF THINGS.
SO ONE OF THEM, WE WOULD LIKE TO ADD ONE, LIKE A BEER AND WINE, WHAT THEY LOOK FOR EVERY SINGLE DAY.
LIKE, EVEN LIKE RIGHT NOW, THEY COME AND LOOK FOR IT.
AND OF COURSE THERE IS A CRIME AREA, BUT WE KEEP, WE ARE ALWAYS THERE AND WE KEEP OUR STORE VERY SECURE AND SAFE FOR OUR CUSTOMERS TO SERVE.
AND, AND LET ME, ANY QUESTIONS? ANY QUESTIONS? UM, I JUST HAVE, I JUST HAVE ONE.
SO I KNOW THAT SEVEN 11 S ARE OPEN 24 HOURS.
BUT WHAT ARE THE HOURS THAT IF YOU WEREN'T ALLOWED TO SELL LIQUOR, THAT YOU'D BE ABLE TO SELL? LIKE I THINK WE HAVE A CONDITIONAL LICENSE OF FLIGHT FOR IT.
I I, I SEE IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST KIND OF A STANDARD QUESTION.
UH, AND I I JUST DIDN'T GET TO THAT
SO WE VOLUNTEERED A BUNCH OF CONDITIONS AS PART OF THE APPLICATION.
I WON'T GO THROUGH 'EM CUZ YOU COULD BEAT 'EM.
ONE OF THE CONDITIONS WE VOLUNTEERED WAS AN HOUR'S RESTRICTION.
SO THE, THE STATE DEFAULT TIME IS 6:00 AM TO 2:00 AM THAT'S THE MAXIMUM WE VOLUNTEERED 8:00 AM TO 12 MIDNIGHT.
IF YOU WANTED IT TO BE 10:00 PM CUT OFF, WE COULD DO IT.
SO THE HOURS ARE, WE'LL DO WHATEVER YOU THINK IS APPROPRIATE, BUT WE DID, WE DID RESTRICT THE HOURS VOLUNTARILY.
I DIDN'T MEAN TO, I DIDN'T MEAN TO LIKE, UH, YEAH.
ANOTHER THING LIKE WE ARE NOT GONNA BE, I THINK SERVING SINGLE BEERS, SO THAT'S NOT GONNA ATTRACT LIKE A LOT OF HOMELESS PEOPLE IN CRIME AREA.
LIKE CRIME IS GONNA BE MAINLY FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
SORRY, I DON'T HAVE A QUESTION.
I DON'T HAVE A QUESTION, BUT I DO LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
I'VE BEEN INTO YOUR STORE AND IT'S VERY CLEAN AND WE APPRECIATE THAT VERY MUCH.
THAT'S WHAT WE ARE THERE ALL DAY, YOU KNOW? MM-HMM.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? NO MORE COMMENTS.
I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING OF SECOND.
OH, WERE YOU LOOKING FOR A SEC? I GUESS I'LL SECOND OF THAT.
MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE FOR DISCUSSION NIGHT.
SO YEAH, WE CAN STAFF QUESTIONS.
THE BIG QUESTION IS, UM, THE ACTIVE LICENSE FROM VAS, THE LICENSE THAT VAUGHNS HAD, DOES THAT QUALIFY FOR THE REMOVING ONE? I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER.
I REMEMBER THAT WE HAD A, WITHIN THE TRACT, WE WANTED TO REMOVE AN ACTIVE LICENSE AS PART OF THE REDUCING THE NUMBER OF ACTIVE LICENSES.
AND I, I THOUGHT I REMEMBERED, AND THIS MIGHT BE A DIFFERENT TYPE OF LICENSE, WHERE IT WAS BY TUNE REMOVE ONE, YOU GET TO KEEP THE OTHER ONE.
THE REASON, THE SECOND PARAGRAPH AFTER DISCUSSION, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE POSSIBLY, OOPS.
WAS THAT VASO THE SAME TRACK OR A DIFFERENT TRACK OF THIS LOCATION? THE VONN VAS WAS IN THE SAME CENSUS TRACK IN CENSUS TRACT.
SO IN THE STAFF REPORT FOR THE ATTACHMENTS, WE INCLUDED THE LIST OF LICENSES, UH, THAT
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ARE, UH, PART OF THE VAS CENSUS TRACT.SO IT'S ACTUALLY, UM, SINCE IT'S NORTH OF BROADWAY, UM, IT IS IN A LOW CRIME CENSUS TRACT.
UM, AND IT IS, GIVE ME ONE SECOND.
IS VAUGHNS IN ANOTHER CENSUS TRACT? YES, YES.
BROADWAY IS THE, WHERE THE VONS USED TO BE IS A, A LOW CRIME AREA.
IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S CURRENTLY FIVE IN THE TRACK THAT THEY'RE ASKING.
SO THE VAS IS LOCATED IN, SINCE THIS TRACKED 1 65 0.02.
UM, AND THEY HAVE THE, THE ONE SURRENDERED LICENSE, UH, FOR THE FORMER VAUGHNS.
UH, THAT WAS THE LICENSE THAT IN THE STAFF REPORT WE INDICATED THAT, UM, STAFF DOESN'T CONSIDER THAT TO BE AN EXISTING LICENSE BECAUSE IT'S SURRENDERED AND NO LONGER IN OPERATION.
SO LOOKING BACK AT THE INTENT OF THE CITY COUNCIL WHEN ADOPTING THE DEEMED APPROVED ALCOHOL SALES ORDINANCE, THEY WANTED US TO, UM, TO LIMIT THE NUMBER OF LICENSES AND REDUCE THOSE TO BE IN CONFORMANCE, UH, WITH THE CONCENTRATION LEVELS REQUIRED BY THE ABC.
UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THE ATTACHMENT, UM, THERE IS, UH, THE NUMBER OF LICENSES THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED IN CENSUS TRACT.
UH, 1 65 0 2 FOR OFF SALE, UH, WOULD BE FOR LICENSES.
AND THEN, LIKE I INDICATED EARLIER, THERE IS THE ONE SURRENDERED AND THEN, UH, SEVEN EXISTING LICENSES.
SO THAT IS AN OVER CONCENTRATED CENSUS TRACT.
UM, I THINK THE THING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO CLARIFY AS IT RELATES TO, UH, THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE STATEMENTS IS, UM, HIS STATEMENTS WERE CORRECT AS IT RELATES TO THE ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE CONTROL ACT AND STATE LAW AS IT RELATES TO PUBLIC CONVENIENCE OR NECESSITY FINDINGS, UH, WHEN APPROVING, UM, ALCOHOL OUTLETS, UM, IN OVER CONCENTRATED AREAS.
I THINK THE, THE NUANCE IS THAT THE CITY COUNCIL IN 2013 DECIDED THAT THEY WANTED TO GO BEYOND THAT AND PROVIDE GUIDANCE TO THE PUBLIC AS IT RELATES TO HOW EL CAJON WANTS TO HANDLE OFF SALE ALCOHOL LICENSES.
AND THAT'S WHERE, UM, THE CITY COUNCIL DIRECTION THROUGH THE CODE SAYS WE DON'T WANT TO FURTHER EXACERBATE OVER CONCENTRATIONS IN EXISTING CENSUS TRACKS.
AND WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS HAVE, UM, CENSUS TRACKS THAT ARE, ARE OVER CONCENTRATED, BE ALLOWED TO MOVE A LICENSE ELSEWHERE IN THE CITY WHERE THERE'S, UM, NOT AN OVER CONCENTRATION.
SO THOSE ARE THE FACTS THAT WE HAD COMMUNICATED TO, UM, THE APPLICANT AS IT RELATES TO THIS REQUEST.
UM, OBVIOUSLY HE HAS A DIFFERENT READING OF THAT.
UM, BUT I THINK FROM LOOKING AT THE OVERALL INTENT OF WHAT THE CITY COUNCIL WAS TRYING TO ACHIEVE, UH, WITH THE ORDINANCE, UM, AND THE, THE FACTS RELATED TO OVER CONCENTRATION AND CRIME RATE, THAT'S HOW WE ARRIVED AT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.
MAY I ASK A QUESTION ABOUT THE, I GUESS AGAIN, THAT STATUS OF THE SURRENDERED, UM, LICENSE.
SO I DO SEE HERE WHERE IT SAYS STATUS SURRENDERED AND THEN IT SAYS EXPIRATION DATE JUNE 30TH, 2023.
SO IF VONS CHOSE TO USE THIS LICENSE ELSEWHERE, IS IT STILL AN ACTIVE LICENSE FOR THEM TO USE? I THINK OR IS IS, I MEAN, I KNOW THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE, BUT I, TO ME THAT TELLS ME IF IT REALLY IS A DEAD LICENSE, UH, YOU KNOW, PART OF IT, IS IT REALLY A DEAD LICENSE OR IT'S JUST THEY COULD CHOOSE TO DO SOMETHING? I MEAN, ARE THEY IN A POSITION TO SELL THAT LICENSE? SO WHEN IT, SO THERE'S KIND OF, THERE'S THE TWO DIFFERENT WAYS TO LOOK AT THIS, RIGHT? SO THE FIRST WOULD BE LOOKING AT IT THROUGH, UH, THE ABC RULES AND REGULATIONS.
SO FOR THE ABC, IT'S A SURRENDERED LICENSE AND IT DOES HAVE THE ABILITY, AND IT HAS CERTAIN RIGHTS ASSOCIATED WITH A SURRENDERED LICENSE.
UM, BUT FOR THE CITY, WHAT WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT IF THEY TRIED TO MOVE THAT SURRENDERED LICENSE, WE WOULD BE APPLYING THE SAME CRITERIA THAT WE APPLY TO ALDI AT THE LAST MEETING AND WE'RE APPLYING TO SEVEN 11 TODAY, WHICH IS, ARE YOU PROPOSING TO MOVE THAT LICENSE ELSEWHERE? SO, UM, AS WE TALKED ABOUT A MINUTE AGO, UM, THE CENSUS TRACT WHERE THE SURRENDERED LICENSES LOCATED IS OVER CONCENTRATED.
UM, SO THERE COULD POTENTIALLY BE AN OPPORTUNITY, UM, SINCE IT IS AN OVER CONCENTRATED TRACT, UH, FOR A LICENSE FROM THAT TRACK TO BE MOVED ELSEWHERE.
UH, BUT THE NUANCE OF WHETHER OR NOT SURRENDERED COUNTS OR DOESN'T COUNT COUNT, IT HASN'T REALLY BEEN, UM, DISCUSSED OR REVIEWED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
I MEAN, FROM STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE, YOU KNOW, THE USE HAS, UM, CLOSED AND LOOKING AT THE INTENT OF WHAT THE CITY COUNCIL WAS TRYING TO ACHIEVE, THEY'RE TRYING TO CLOSE DOWN OR MOVE, UM, EXISTING OFF SALE LICENSES TO OTHER LOCATIONS WITHIN THE CITY.
AND SO THAT'S WHY WE TOOK THAT APPROACH IN THE STAFF REPORT.
SO IN, IF, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, IF THIS WAS AN ACTIVE LICENSE, THEON STILL EXISTED OR IT WAS SOME OTHER STORE MM-HMM.
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SOMETHING ACTIVELY BEING USED MM-HMM.DOES THAT, DOES THAT SOUND RIGHT? OKAY.
IT JUST, THE, THE SECOND CRITERIA THOUGH, THAT IS THE ISSUE AS WELL AT THIS LOCATION ON 500 OR SECOND STREET IS THAT THE, THAT TRACK IS STILL OVER CONCENTRATED, AND SO WE DON'T WANT TO FURTHER EXACERBATE THAT OVER CONCENTRATION.
SO IF THEY WERE TO TAKE THAT SU SUSPENDED LICENSE AND MOVE IT TO AN AREA THAT WASN'T OVER CONCENTRATED OR DIDN'T HAVE THE CRIME RATE OR MET OTHER CRITERIA, THEN THEY COULD USE THAT LICENSE.
BUT BECAUSE THIS AREA HAS, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE FACTORS THAT DON'T FIT IN, THAT'S WHY IT CANNOT BE MOVED TO THAT PARTICULAR LOCATION.
SO I WOULD JUST STATE THAT FOR THE RECORD, A LOT OF HYPOTHETICALS YES.
IN THAT, IN THAT CIRCUMSTANCE, BUT IT WOULD BE ANY NEW REQUEST FOR AN ALCOHOL OSTEO ALCOHOL LICENSE ANYWHERE IN THE CITY, WHETHER IT WAS THIS LICENSE BEING RELO, THIS SURRENDERED MM-HMM.
WE WOULD LOOK AT IT WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF THE DEEMED APPROVED ORDINANCE FOR OVER CONCENTRATION IN CRIME.
UM, ACTUALLY TWO, TWO QUESTIONS.
I NOTICED IN YOUR PRESENTATION THAT YOU HAD 882 CALLS AND, AND VERBALLY YOU SAID 280, SO I WAS WONDERING IF THAT WAS, UH, JUST A, A TOPOGRAPHICAL ERROR OR I'M NOT, I'M MISREADING.
I THINK IT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE NUMBER OF OFFENSES AND THEN, UH, THE PERCENTAGE, UM, ABOVE AVERAGE.
SO LET ME SEE IF I CAN GO BACK TO THAT STATEMENT.
SO THE AVERAGE CRIME RATE IN THE CITY IS 164 OFFENSES PER, PER DISTRICT UHHUH.
AND THEN, UM, UP TO 120, UH, PERCENT OF THE CITYWIDE AVERAGE, UM, IS CONSIDERED TO BE AVERAGE.
SO THAT WOULD BE, UM, UP TO 197 OFFENSES.
UM, AND SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT, UH, THE TUBBLE, TOTAL NUMBER OF OFFENSES AND SENSES TRACKED 1 6 3 0.02 WAS 280 OFFENSES, OR 170% OF THE CITYWIDE AVERAGE.
I, YEAH, BUT I WOULD SEE THAT 8 82, NUMBER TWO I SAW 88 80.
THAT WAS IN THE SLIDE SHOW, ON THE SLIDE IN THE SLIDES SHOW.
SO THAT WAS A MISTAKE ON THE SLIDE.
AND MY NEXT QUESTION IS, UH, HAVE THE, UH, POLICE DEPARTMENT COMMENTED ON, ON THIS SITUATION, ON THIS AGENDA ITEM? HAVE YOU REACHED OUT TO THE POLICE? YES, WE COORDINATE WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ON THESE, BUT UM, TYPICALLY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT LOOKS AT THE, UM, SAFETY RELATED ISSUES, UM, IN THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL.
SO THEY'RE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, THE LOCATION OF ALCOHOL DISPLAY IN THE STORE, THE HOURS OF OPERATION, AND THOSE TYPES OF ISSUES.
AND SO WHEN A REQUEST IS, UM, DOESN'T MEET THE INITIAL CRITERIA OF BEING, UM, IN AN UNDER, IN A CENSUS TRACK, THAT IT CAN ACCOMMODATE AN, AN ADDITIONAL LICENSE, UM, THAT WE DON'T HAVE THAT ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ABOUT WHAT CONDITIONS THEY WOULD DEEM TO BE APPROPRIATE.
IT'S RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO A VERY HIGH CENSUS TRACK, CORRECT? YES.
IT'S ALSO ACROSS THE STREET FROM A VERY LOW AVERAGE, OR IS IT AVERAGE OR AVERAGE? AVERAGE, YEAH.
YOU HAD A QUESTION? YEAH, SO THIS SHARES SOME FEATURES WITH THE, THE ALDI STORE THAT WE SAW TWO WEEKS AGO MM-HMM.
UM, MOSTLY WE'VE GOT THE SAME TWO STATISTICS THAT WE'RE FACING MM-HMM.
SECOND STREET HAS A LOT OF SHOPS, A LOT OF LIQUOR STORES.
IT'S ONE OF THE FREEWAY CONNECTORS.
IT'S A PLACE WHERE EVERYBODY GOES BY, OR I DON'T KNOW IF EVERYBODY, MAYBE HALF THE CITY GOES THROUGH SECOND STREET.
AND LIVING RIGHT OFF OF SECOND STREET.
I SEE ALL THE TRAFFIC AND MM-HMM.
UM, I ALSO DO NOTE LIVING RIGHT THERE THAT THE SECOND STREET, OR THIS PARTICULAR SEVEN 11 IS ONE OF THE CLEANEST ONES THAT I'VE EVER SEEN AND BEEN TO.
UM, AND I APPRECIATE THAT THEY'RE ABLE TO RUN SUCH A NICE SHOP AND KEEP IT, I DON'T SEE HOMELESS PEOPLE SLEEPING OUTSIDE AT ANY TIME.
UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT THIS WOULD QUALIFY AT, IF WE WERE TO LOOK AT REWRITING AS WE REWORK THE, THE, UM, THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
I DON'T KNOW THAT WE WOULD QUALIFY THIS AS A REGIONAL OUTLET BECAUSE IT'S REALLY JUST A BUNCH OF STRIP STRIP MALLS, MALLS GOING DOWN THE SECOND CORRIDOR, AND IT'S NOT REALLY A LARGE COMMERCIAL AREA, IT'S JUST THE TIP OF THE BLOCK AND THEN IT'S RESIDENTIAL PACKED ALL THE WAY BACK.
I THINK YOU HAVE TO CROSS VALENTINE
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BEFORE YOU GET TO COMMERCIAL AGAIN.THERE'S A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTIAL.
SO, SO I THINK THAT THIS IS A GREAT, GREAT CANDIDATE FOR A LICENSE, BUT WE DON'T HAVE THE SPACE FOR IT.
AND MOST OF THE APPLICATIONS ARE IN THESE AREAS WHERE IT'S A CORRIDOR, THERE'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC, THERE'S A LOT OF CUSTOMERS THAT ARE CLOSE BY, BUT BECAUSE IT'S ALSO OVER CONCENTRATED ALREADY, AND, AND, UH, MR. EVANS POINTED OUT, WE DO HAVE LIQUOR STORES THAT ARE JUST HANGING OUT AND I, WE CAN'T CLOSE THEM.
BUT, UH, UNTIL SOME OF THE LIQUOR STORES CLOSE, WE'VE GOT THESE HIGH CONCENTRATION DISTRICTS THAT WE CAN'T SEEM TO GET PEOPLE OUT OF.
UNFORTUNATELY, NO, IT WOULD BE A GREAT ADDITION.
YET IT'S ALL BASED ON WHAT, WE'RE KIND OF LIMITED BASED ON THE DYNAMICS OF WHAT'S WRITTEN ON THE BOOKS, AND THAT'S WHAT WE KIND OF HAVE TO ADHERE TO.
UM, WOULD BE GREAT IF WE COULD GET A LIQUOR STORE TO CLOSE, BUT UNFORTUNATELY, LIKE YOU SAID, WE'RE KIND OF STUCK.
SO, DID ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I DON'T, UM, LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION.
I MOVE TO ADOPT THE NEXT RESOLUTION IN ORDER DENYING THE REQUEST TO ADD OFF SALE ALCOHOL TO AN EXISTING CONVENIENCE STORE.
MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTES.
WE APPRECIATE YOU DOING BUSINESS IN EL CAJON.
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WE'RE ON TO THE NEXT PUBLIC HEARING ITEM AS I MOVE UP HERE.SOME PEOPLE ARE MUCH MORE ORGANIZED THAN ME.
OKAY, SO THE JDA ITEM THREE FOR THE MELODY LANE TOWNHOMES.
DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT BEFORE WE OPEN STAFF? THANK YOU CHAIR.
GOOD EVENING, HONORABLE COMMISSIONERS.
MY NAME IS MIKE VALONE, SENIOR PLANNER WITH THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT.
THE ITEM BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING IS A REQUEST FOR A SPECIFIC PLAN AND TENTATIVE SUBDIVISION MAP.
UH, UH, SUBMITTED BY CITY VENTURES HOME BUILDING, LLC.
THE PROPOSED SPECIFIC PLAN WOULD AUTHORIZE THE DEVELOPMENT OF 29 NEW CONDOMINIUM TOWN HOMES AT A VACANT SITE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF MELODY LANE.
THE PROJECT WOULD INCLUDE FOUR DIFFERENT FLOOR PLANS, WHICH FEATURE A MINIMUM OF THREE BEDROOMS, TWO AND A HALF BATHS, AND AN ATTACHED TO CAR GARAGE FOR SALE.
THE PROJECT DEVELOPER WOULD INSTALL NEW DRIVEWAY, SIDEWALK AND A STREET TREE IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY ALONG MELODY LANE, AS WELL AS PRIVATE IMPROVEMENTS AND AMENITIES FOR USE BY RESIDENTS.
THE PROJECT SITE IS LOCATED ON THE NORTH SIDE OF MELODY LANE BETWEEN EAST MAIN STREET AND COMMON LANE.
IN IS SHOWN IN BLUE ON THE SLIDE.
THE ULTIMATE SITE AREA IS 1.47 NET ACRES AFTER ACCOUNTING FOR A PROPOSED LOT LINE ADJUSTMENT, WHICH WOULD EXCLUDE THE AREA IN YELLOW.
ON THE SLIDE, THE SUBJECT SITE IS AN UNDEVELOPED FLAG LOT WITH LIMITED FRONTAGE OF 30 FEET ALONG MELODY LANE, AND HAS HISTORICALLY BEEN USED AS STORAGE FOR RECREATIONAL VEHICLES, UH, ASSOCIATED WITH THE JUNIPER TRAILER PARK, UH, TO THE IMMEDIATE ADJACENT WEST.
SURROUNDING USES ALSO INCLUDE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES TO THE SOUTH, A CHURCH TO THE EAST, AND, UH, AUTO REPAIR FACILITY TO THE NORTH.
UH, THE SITE IS RELATIVELY FLAT WITH A MAXIMUM ELEVATION CHANGE IN THE ORDER OF TWO FEET FROM THE PROJECT ENTRANCE TOWARDS THE CENTER OF THE SITE AND ONE AND A HALF FEET FROM THE WEST TO THE EAST.
IT IS ALSO WORTH NOTING THAT THE SUBJECT SITE IS WITHIN A HALF MILE OF PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION, GROCERY STORES, AND OTHER COMMERCIAL SERVICES ON MAIN STREET.
THE PROPERTY IS ZONED RM 2200 AND DESIGNATED MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL.
THESE DESIGNATIONS CORRESPOND AND ARE INTENDED FOR MULTIFAMILY
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RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT UP TO 20 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE.THE ARM 2200 ZONE WOULD PERMIT ATTACHED AND DETACH MULTIPLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DWELLINGS, INCLUDING COMMON INTEREST DEVELOPMENTS.
THE PROPOSED DENSITY OF 19.71 UNITS PER NET ACRE AND USE, UH, ATTACHED MULTIFAMILY CONDOMINIUM TOWNHOMES ARE CONSISTENT WITH THESE DESIGNATIONS.
A TENTATIVE SUBDIVISION MAP FOR A COMMON INTEREST SUBDIVISION CONSISTING OF ONE LOT AND 29 CONDOMINIUM RESIDENCES IS PROPOSED WITH A SPECIFIC PLAN ACCORDING TO THE ZONING CODE.
A SPECIFIC PLAN MAY BE REQUESTED BY AN APPLICANT WHERE CIRCUMSTANCES IN A PARTICULAR PORTION OF THE CITY REQUIRED A MORE DETAILED FRAMEWORK OF DEVELOPMENT AND STANDARDS THAT ARE SET FORTH IN THE GENERAL PLAN AND ZONING CODE.
UM, SUCH CIRCUMSTANCES INCLUDE THE SIZE AND SHAPE OF THE PROPERTY AND UNUSUAL, UH, CONDITIONS REQUIRING SPECIAL CONSIDERATIONS FOR ACCESS.
THE SUBJECT SITE SATISFIES THESE CRITERIA AND IS UNLIKELY TO DEVELOP AT ANTICIPATED GENERAL PLAN DENSITIES, GIVEN THE PROPERTIES LIMITED FLAG FRONTAGE, UH, THE ZONING CODE PROHIBITION ON CREATING FLAG LOTS IN MULTIPLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL ZONES AND THE ARMED 2200 LOT COVERAGE LIMITATIONS, WHICH ARE INCLUSIVE OF, UH, PAVED AREAS FOR PARKING AND DRIVEWAYS.
CONSEQUENTLY, A SPECIFIC PLAN WITH SITE SPECIFIC REGULATIONS IS AN APPROPRIATE, UH, ENTITLEMENT APPLICATION.
THIS IS THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN INCLUDED WITH A SPECIFIC PLAN.
THE 29 PROPOSED UNITS ARE INCORPORATED INTO A SIXPLEX SEVEN PLEX INTO EIGHT PLEXES ACCESS FROM MELODY LANE VIA 25 FOOT PRIVATE DRIVEWAY.
A COMMON COURTYARD IS LOCATED AT THE CENTER OF THE SITE ADJACENT TO THE SEVEN VISITOR PARKING STALLS, AND INCLUDES A SHADE STRUCTURE WITH BARBECUE, BICYCLE PARKING AND SEATING IN A LANDSCAPED SETTING FOR COMMON USE.
ADDITIONAL BICYCLE PARKING IS PROVIDED IN EACH GARAGE AND A SECONDARY COMMON SPACE POCKET PARK WITH TREES AND SET SEATING IS PROPOSED IN THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF THE SITE ARM.
2200 SETBACKS ARE OBSERVED BY THE SITE PLAN AND INCLUDE AN INCREASED 15 FOOT SETBACK FROM THE SINGLE FAMILY PROPERTIES TO THE SOUTH IN A LARGER SETBACK OF UP TO 16.7 FEET FROM THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY TO THE NORTH FOR ALL.
BUT THE NORTHWEST CORNER UNIT SIX FOOT MASONRY WALLS WITH AN ADDITIONAL TWO FOOT SCREENING EXTENSION ALONG THE NORTHERN PROPERTY LINE, WILL PROVIDE AN ADDITIONAL BUFFER BETWEEN THE EXISTING ADJACENT USES AND NEW RESIDENCES.
IT IS ALSO IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THE UNIT'S CLOSEST TO THE EXISTING, THE ONLY UNITS TO THE SOUTH AND MOBILE HOMES TO THE WEST ARE ONLY TWO STORIES AND HEIGHT TO LIMIT THEIR PRESENCE ALONG THESE PROPERTY LINES AND CREATES STEPPED MASSING ACROSS THE SUBJECT SITE.
THE PROPOSED PROJECT INCLUDES APPROXIMATELY 6,635 SQUARE FEET OF OPEN SPACE AS DEFINED IN THE ZONING CODE, WHICH EXCEEDS THE REQUIREMENT FOR 225 SQUARE FOOT PER UNIT.
LANDSCAPING AND TREES ARE CLUSTERED IN THE COMMON AREAS, UH, AS DESCRIBED IN THE PREVIOUS SLIDE AND ALONG THE WESTERN LEAD PROPERTY LINE.
THE EXTERIOR YARD AREAS AVAILABLE AFTER ACCOUNTING FOR THE REQUIRED ACCESS AND BOUNDARY WALL, UH, WILL BE LANDSCAPED WHERE FEASIBLE.
UH, AND A 24 INCH BOX STREET TREE IS PROPOSED TO THE EAST OF THE PROJECT FRONTAGE IN THE PARKWAY.
THE PROPOSED PROJECT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE ARCHITECTURAL GUIDELINES, WHICH EMPHASIZE QUALITY AND COMPATIBILITY WITH SURROUNDINGS AS PRIMARY CONSIDERATIONS.
THE BUILDINGS CAN BE DESCRIBED AS BEING OF SPANISH MEDITERRANEAN STYLE ELEMENTS OF WHICH ARE FOUND THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY AND ARE OF A HIGH QUALITY.
THE BUILDINGS INCLUDE WHITE STUCCO EXTERIORS WITH VARIED ROOF ANGLES, POP OUTS, OVERHANGS AND BALCONIES, ORNAMENTAL METAL WORK AND FIXTURES.
APPARENT WOOD ELEMENTS AND ROOF TILES THAT MIMIC TERRACOTTA ARE INCLUDED IN ELEMENTAL TONES TO UNIFY THE DESIGN.
STAFF HAVE INCLUDED A CONDITION REQUIRING SCREENING OF ROOFTOP MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT FROM PUBLIC VIEW TO ENSURE CONSISTENCY WITH GUIDELINES AND COMPATIBILITY WITH SURROUNDING USES.
SHOWN HERE IS THE NORTHERLY BUILDING AS IT WOULD APPEAR FROM THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY TO THE NORTH.
MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF ALL PROPOSED THREE STORY STRUCTURES IS 35 FEET CONSISTENT WITH ARM 2200 STANDARDS.
THIS IS THE SOUTHERLY BUILDING AS IT WOULD APPEAR FROM MELODY LANE AND THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES TO THE SOUTH.
THIS BUILDING IS 24 FEET TALL AND DOES NOT INCLUDE ANY SECOND STORY BALCONIES.
IN ORDER TO RECOMMEND CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL, THE PLANNING COMMISSION NEEDS TO FIND OUT THE PROPOSED SPECIFIC PLAN SERVES THE PUBLIC INTEREST, AND THAT IT WILL IMPLEMENT THE CITY'S GENERAL PLAN.
DRAFT FINDINGS ARE INCLUDED THAT DETERMINE THE SPECIFIC PLAN SERVES THE PUBLIC INTEREST BY INCREASING QUALITY HOUSING AND HOME OWNERSHIP OPPORTUNITIES, AND THAT THE GENERAL PLAN IS IMPLEMENTED THROUGH THE TRANSITION OF THE PROPERTY TO MULTI-FAMILY LAND USE.
DRAFT FINDINGS NECESSARY TO APPROVE THE TENTATIVE SUBDIVISION MAP ARE ALSO INCLUDED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE.
A PUBLIC COMMENT EXPRESSING INTEREST IN REFORMING CITY LANDSCAPE REGULATIONS AND REQUESTING ADDITIONAL NATIVE PLANTING FOR THE PROJECT WAS SUBMITTED VIA EMAIL.
IT HAS BEEN PROVIDED TO COMMISSIONERS ON THE DIAS.
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IS EXEMPT FROM THE ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW REQUIREMENTS OF THE CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ACT PURSUANT TO SQL GUIDELINES, SECTION 1 5 3 32, CLASS 32 EXEMPTION FOR INFILL DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS.STAFF, THEREFORE RECOMMEND THAT PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDS CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL OF THE SE DETERMINATION SPECIFIC PLAN AND TENTATIVE SUBDIVISION MAP.
THIS CONCLUDES STAFF'S REPORT.
I HAVE A QUESTION REGARDING THE, UH, U U UNITS, THE, THE SEPARATING WALLS BETWEEN, FROM ONE UNIT TO THE, TO THE NEXT.
UH, ARE, ARE THEY FIREWALLS? I BELIEVE THE BUILDING CODE WOULD REQUIRE FIREWALLS IN THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES.
IT DOES IN INCLUDE, UH, FIREWALLS.
IT'S ALSO WORTH NOTING THAT THESE WILL BE REVIEWED FOR DURING PLAN CHECK FOR CONSTRUCTION APPLICATIONS AS WELL.
WELL, INSURANCE, UH, PURPOSES, USUALLY MOST, UH, INSURANCE COMPANIES REQUIRE FIREWALLS BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT THE FIRE TO SPREAD FROM ONE UNIT TO THE NEXT UNIT, ESPECIALLY YOUR NEIGHBOR.
UH, NEXT QUESTION, OR MAYBE A COMMENT REGARDING NATIVE VEGETATION.
UM, I JUST WANNA MAKE STATE THAT, UH, THERE ARE MANY DESERTS THAT HAVE BEEN CONVERTED TO LUSH AREAS BECAUSE OF, UH, IRRIGATION AND SO FORTH.
I, I DON'T THINK THAT NATIVE VEGETATION IS ABSOLUTE NECESSARY.
WHATEVER VEGETATION WORKS AND IT'S, UH, CONGRUENT WITH A PROJECT AND WORKS WELL, I, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE STUCK WITH, UH, NATIVE.
BUT I THINK, UH, WHATEVER IS PLEASING TO THE EYE AND WORKS FOR THAT AREA, IT SHOULD, SHOULD BE CONSIDERED.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S MY, UH, MY COMMENT ON THAT AREA.
JUST WANNA OPEN PUBLIC HEARING ANSWER THERE.
ANYONE TO SPEAK ON THIS? ANY QUESTIONS? YES, WE RECEIVED TWO SPEAKER CARDS.
KAREN KENRICK, VERY MUCH OUT OF MY ELEMENT.
I'M NOT A PUBLIC SPEAKER, BUT I, UM, LIVE IN ONE OF THE HOUSES.
I LIVE IN THE ASHE OF THE HOUSE THAT THE EGRESS WILL BE AT RIGHT NEXT TO, UM, MELODY LANE IS A, IS A VERY, UM, CONGESTED STREET.
WE HAVE THE DENSITY, WE HAVE, WE HAVE APARTMENTS DOWN THE STREET THAT ON SOME GIVEN WEEKENDS, AND ESPECIALLY DURING THE SUMMER WHEN ALL THE COLLEGE KIDS ARE HOME, THERE'S NO PARKING ON THE STREET.
WHEN I MOVED INTO MY HOUSE, I ENLARGED THE DRIVEWAYS SO THAT WHEN I HAD PEOPLE COME, I COULD AT LEAST HAVE A PLACE FOR THEM TO PARK NEARBY.
UM, I NOTICED THAT THERE'S A MELODY LANE.
THERE'S NO PLACE TO HAVE A TURN IN.
THERE IS NO PLACE FOR A, A TURN IN TO THE DEVELOPMENT.
THE, THE LANE, THE STREET IS VERY NARROW AND, AND THERE'S A LOT OF BLIND SPOTS BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF CARS THAT ARE PARKED ON THE STREET.
UM, THERE'S A MIDDLE SCHOOL RIGHT DOWN THE STREET FROM US THAT THE, THE MIDDLE SCHOOL KIDS WALK BY EVERY DAY.
AND EVEN THOUGH OUR, IT IS A RESIDENTIAL AREA THAT IS 25 MILES AN HOUR, THEY DO NOT GO 25 MILES AN HOUR.
AND I HAVE, I HAVE A SPECIAL NEEDS NIECE THAT LIVES WITH ME AND I HAVE TO WALK HER ACROSS THE STREET JUST SO THAT SHE IS SPECIAL THAT SHE COULD GET ACROSS.
WE'VE ALL, ALL THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE ON THAT STREET HAVE POSTED SIGNS, SLOW DOWN 25 MILES AN HOUR, AND WE'VE DID IT OUT OF OUR OWN POCKET.
THE POLICE HAVE EVEN COME AND WHEN THEY COME, THEY GIVE CITATIONS RIGHT AND LEFT.
YOU CAN'T PARK A CAR ON THE STREET WITHOUT HAVING THE MIRROR TORN OFF.
UM, ALSO THAT MELODY LANE IS ALSO FIRE ENGINE FIRE STATION EIGHT ALSO USES MELODY LANE AS AN EGRESS ONTO, ONTO, UH, MAIN STREET AT TIMES.
SO, UM, I'M NOT REALLY OPPOSED TO THE WHOLE PROJECT, BUT I THINK YOU'RE ADDING MORE FUEL TO THE FIRE AND IT'S A SAFETY ISSUE.
IT'S NOT, IT'S JUST SO DENSE NOW AS IT IS THAT THERE IS REALLY, AND IF YOU LOOK AT MELODY LANE,
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A LOT OF 'EM ARE CUL-DE-SACS, SO THE ONLY WAY THEY HAVE TO GET OUT IS MELODY LANE.SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT POINT THAT IT'S MORE A SAFETY ISSUE TO ME.
AND YOU COULD ALSO EVEN CONTACT THE POLICE BECAUSE THE POLICE ARE USUALLY THERE AT LEAST ONCE A MONTH, TWICE A MONTH, SOMETIMES COUPLE TIMES A WEEK FOR ACCIDENTS.
SO IT, THAT IS JUST WHAT I WANTED TO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION.
SECOND SPEAKER, YOU HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF? MM-HMM.
AND SO YOU SAW THE LOT CIRCLES OR HUGS, THE TWO HOUSES AT THE SOUTH END.
SO COULD THAT BE USED ALSO FOR THAT DEVELOPMENT TO, UH, TO, NO, IT WILL BE SEPARATE PRIVATE PROPERTY, UH, AS COMMISSIONER SERCO SUGGESTED, UM, FOR ACCESS AT THE MOBILE HOME PARK.
AND THE ROAD THAT GOES OUT OF THE PLA IS 25 FEET WIDE, CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT.
AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT REQUIRES AT LEAST 20 FEET SO THAT THEIR TRUCKS CAN TURN AROUND, IS THAT CORRECT? YES.
I BELIEVE APPENDIX D OF THE FIRE CODE REQUIRES A 20 FOOT ACCESS, UH, WITH 28 FOOT TURNING RADIO AT THE CORNERS.
UH, IT WAS REVIEWED BY THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND APPROVED AS SUBMITTED.
AND THEN SO FAR AS MELODY LANE, THAT, UH, TRAFFIC, UH, I KNOW WE DON'T DO SPEED BUMPS ANYMORE, DO WE? NO.
UM, A GOOD AFTERNOON, UH, COUNTY COMMISSIONERS.
BUT, UM, YEAH, IT'S A LONG STANDING CITY POLICY THAT WE DON'T PUT IN SPEED BUMPS.
UH, WE COULD PROBABLY, UH, TAKE A LOOK AT, UH, ADDING 25 MILE PER HOUR SPEED LIMIT SIGNS.
UH, WE POST, UM, SOME LOCATIONS, WE PUT RADAR FEEDBACK SIGNS, UH, TEMPORARILY JUST TO REMIND DRIVERS TO DRIVE 25 AND, UM, UH, AND GO FROM THERE.
BUT NO TURNABOUTS, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? YOU HAVE LIKE, UH, IN THE MIDDLE YOU HAVE SOME LANDSCAPING AND THEN YOU GO AROUND IT.
NONE OF THOSE, I DON'T THINK IT'S SUFFICIENT WIDTH TO ADD A TRAFFIC, A MINI TRAFFIC SERVER THAT WON'T DO.
ARE THERE ANY STOP SIGNS DEAR BY THIS TO, IF IT'S POTENTIALLY BECOMES A PROBLEM, THEY COULD ADD SOMETHING THERE REGARDING THAT? MOST OF THE STREETS FEEDING ONTO MELODY LANE HAVE A STOP SIGN.
SO BETWEEN THIRD MELODY AND EAST MAIN AND MELODY, THERE'S NO STOP SIGNS.
I I, I DO SEE ALL THE STOP SIGNS COMING INTO THAT.
I, I ASSUME THERE'S A STOP SIGN COMING OUT OF THIS DEVELOPMENT, BUT I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF SOMETHING THAT COULD BE REVIEWED AFTER A TIME IF THERE IS A CONTINUAL PROBLEM.
CUZ SHE SAID THERE HAVE BEEN PROBLEMS. I MEAN, SOMETHING TO BE REVIEWED LATER.
I BELIEVE WE'VE GOT ONE MORE SPEAKER CARD.
CAN, CAN YOU REPEAT THAT COMMENT? WHAT, WHAT, WHAT DID YOU SAY? WELL, SHE, SHE STATED THAT THERE WERE LOTS OF ISSUES WITH TRAFFIC IN THE POLICE AND SUCH LIKE THAT AND SPEED.
SO MAYBE SOMETHING IN THE LATER, IF THERE'S A, THIS DEVELOPMENT COMES IN AND IT BECOMES A BIGGER PROBLEM, MAYBE AT THAT POINT THEY MIGHT CONSIDER PUTTING A STOP SIGN OR SOMETHING IN.
WE WOULD CONDUCT ADDITIONAL, UH, ADDITIONAL STUDIES TO EVALUATE THE SPEED AND, UM, AND, UH, WORK HANDING OUT WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO DO, UH, SELECTIVE ENFORCEMENT.
I'M RACHEL MCCLELLAN, M C C L E L L A N.
I LIVE ON MELODY LANE DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM ONE OF THE, THE HOMES THAT ARE HUGGED BY THIS PROPOSAL DEVELOPMENT.
AND IT IS ABSOLUTELY 100% A SAFETY ISSUE.
WHEN WE MOVED IN FIVE YEARS AGO WHEN WE BOUGHT THE HOUSE, OUR NEIGHBORS CAME UP TO US AND SAID, DON'T BE CAREFUL.
THERE'S TOURS TWO KIDS THAT WERE HIT DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF YOUR HOUSE YEARS AGO.
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CHILDREN TO PLAY OUTSIDE.WE HAVE A LUSH GREEN FRONT YARD.
THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO PLAY OUT THERE, THEY ARE NOT ALLOWED TO RIDE THE BIKES, CARS ZOOM UP AND DOWN THAT STREET AT ALL HOURS IN THE NIGHT.
MY BEDROOM IS RIGHT THERE AGAINST THAT STREET.
I'M WOKEN UP SEVERAL TIMES A WEEK BECAUSE OF CARS FLYING BY WITH THEIR, WITH THEIR MUFFLERS.
WE ABSOLUTELY NEED SPEED BUMPS, BUT, UM, I, I TALKED ABOUT WITH ONE OF THE NEIGHBORS AND IT DIDN'T SEEM LIKE IT WAS GONNA GO THROUGH, SO WE KIND OF LEFT IT ALONE.
UM, THERE, I CAN BARELY GET OUT OF MY DRIVEWAY OR INTO MY DRIVEWAY.
I GET HONKED AT EVERY DAY WHEN I PULL INTO MY DRIVEWAY BECAUSE I'M FORCING PEOPLE TO SLOW DOWN BEHIND ME.
THEY DO NOT CARE ABOUT THE SPEED LIMITS.
UM, A COUPLE QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE ARE, UM, WHERE WILL THE CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC BE ENTERING? BECAUSE AS KAREN SAID, THERE'S NO ROOM ON THAT STREET.
WE DON'T HAVE AN EXTENDED DRIVEWAY, UH, EXPANDED DRIVEWAY, AND WE DO HAVE THE PARK ON THE STREET WHEN WE HAVE FRIENDS OVER.
AND, UM, ONE OF MY FRIENDS DID HAVE THEIR, THEIR, UH, SIDE MIRRORS KNOCKED OFF, UM, SEVERAL TIMES A MONTH.
YOU CAN GO OUTSIDE AND WALK DOWN MELODY STREET, MELODY LANE AND SEE MIRRORS IN THE STREET BEING KNOCKED OFF.
UM, I CAN'T IMAGINE CONSTRUCTION EQUIPMENT MAKING IT DOWN THAT STREET.
THERE'S NO, ABSOLUTELY NO WAY YOU'D HAVE TO CUT OFF STREET PARKING JUST FOR THAT.
UM, IT'S JUST, UH, YEAH, I DEFINITELY OPPOSE THIS, THIS PROJECT.
UM, I'M ALSO WONDERING WHY IT'S EXEMPT FROM THE CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENT QUALITY ACT.
UM, AND IF WHY COULD, LIKE, IF YOU COULD POSSIBLY MAKE ACCESS FROM MAIN STREET, IT SEEMS LIKE IT'D BE A MUCH MUD STREET TO HAVE ALL THIS NEW TRAFFIC COMING IN AND OUT FROM.
UM, AND IF ANY OF THESE HOMES ARE GONNA BE SOLD AS LOW INCOME AND WHAT THE PERCENTAGE MAY BE, UM, IT'S JUST, IT'S SUPER UNSAFE.
ALSO, MY DOGS, LIKE, I'M NOT, I DO NOT OPEN MY, MY DOGS ARE OBEDIENT, BUT I DO NOT ALLOW THEM OUTSIDE WITHOUT A LEASH BECAUSE IF THEY GET OUT, THEY'RE GONNA GET HIT BECAUSE THERE'S JUST SO MANY CARS ON THAT STREET AT ANY GIVEN MOMENT.
UM, AND AGAIN, THEY'RE JUST FLYING, FLYING BY.
YOU COULD POST A FLASHING STREETLIGHT AND THEY DON'T CARE.
YOU, UM, YOU COULD POST ONE OF THE MONITORS THAT TELLS YOU HOW FAST YOU'RE GOING.
IT'S, I, I INVITE YOU TO COME OVER AND SIT IN YOUR CAR, COME TO MY HOME AND, AND JUST MONITOR THAT AREA.
IT'S THE STREET IS A DRAG STRIP.
AGAIN, I CAN'T, COMING HOME FROM GETTING GROCERIES, I'M TRYING TO PULL INTO MY DRIVEWAY AND PEOPLE ARE HONKING AT ME TO HAVE MY BLINKER ON AND THEY'RE HAVING TO STOP ON THIS RESIDENTIAL STREET IS JUST, IT'S VERY, VERY, VERY FRUSTRATING.
SO I CAN'T IMAGINE ADDING 29 HOMES WITH ALL THOSE CARS ON OUR LITTLE STREET.
NO, WELL, THANK YOU FOR SHARING.
UM, NO, I DON'T KNOW IF SHE'S REAL REALIZES THAT, UH, THE UNITS ARE GONNA HAVE A PARKING, UH, TWO CAR PARKING GARAGES PLUS A VISITOR PARKING WITHIN THE, UH, COMPLEX ITSELF.
I ALSO WANTED TO NOTE, UM, THAT THE APPLICANT IS HERE, UH, KAREN ALS WITH HER DESIGN TEAM, UH, AND SHE CAN SPEAK TO, UH, QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PROJECT.
UH, IT, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO DIRECT THEM TO HER AS WELL.
COULD YOU ANSWER SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS FOR US? THANK YOU.
THANK YOU FOR, UH, HAVING US HERE TODAY.
UH, I'M KAREN ALS AND VICE PRESIDENT OF DEVELOPMENT WAS CITY VENTURES.
UH, ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT WAS MADE WAS HOW ARE WE GOING TO ADDRESS CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC, UH, DURING THE COURSE OF CONSTRUCTION.
UM, SO MAYBE YOU CAN SHARE, UM, THE AERIAL, UM, AND I CAN TALK THROUGH THAT POINT.
UM, SO THE ULTIMATE, UH, ENTRANCE TO THE PROJECT, WE'LL BE OFF OF MELODY LANE DURING THE COURSE OF CONSTRUCTION.
WE PLAN TO PHASE IT IN TWO WAYS.
UM, WE WILL BUILD THE FIRST TWO BUILDINGS, UM, TO THE SOUTH FIRST, WHICH WILL THEN BECOME RESIDENT ENTRY ONLY, AND THEN WE'LL DIRECT CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC TO THE NORTH END OF THE PROJECT.
UH, WILL WORK OUT, UH, AN AGREEMENT WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER WHERE THE LOT LINE ADJUSTMENT WILL OCCUR SO THAT TRAFFIC, UH, CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC CAN LEAVE HEADING, UM, OFF OF MAIN STREET SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANY CONFLICTING TRAFFIC PATTERNS WITH CONSTRUCTION ACCESSING WHILE RESIDENTS ARE LIVING IN THE COMMUNITY.
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DO, DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR HER REGARDING THIS PROJECT? UM, GO AHEAD.UM, AND THIS IS IN RELATION TO THE MELODY VERSUS MAIN STREET.
IN, IN, IN OTHER SITUATIONS WHERE WE'VE GOT A NARROW LANE, BUT TWO PROPERTIES FRONTING ON THE SAME STREET, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO DO A SHARED DRIVEWAY AGREEMENT.
UH, THIS IS ENTIRELY DIFFERENT BECAUSE THE JUNIPER IS ON MAIN STREET AND THIS IS A FLAG PROPERTY ON MELODY.
BUT WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE OR FEASIBLE TO HAVE AN ENTRANCE ON MAIN STREET, A SHARED DRIVEWAY AGREEMENT THAT, I MEAN, THIS IS LATE IN THE GAME FOR YOU GUYS, BUT WITH 29 NEW UNITS? THAT IS A LOT.
UH, A LOT OF ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC ON MELODY.
MELODY IS ONE OF THE NARROWER STREETS IN EL CAJON.
UH, I DRIVE UP AND DOWN MELODY A LOT, UH, FOR WORK AND IT IS SCARY.
I'M DRIVING 25 MILES PER HOUR AND PEOPLE HONK AT ME BECAUSE I'M GOING THE SPEED LIMIT.
UH, AND IT'S NOT VERY WIDE AT ALL.
IS THAT SOMETHING I, I THINK I'M ASKING STAFF MORE THAN I'M ASKING OUR PROJECT DEVELOPER, BUT WOULD THERE BE ANY POSSIBILITY OF DOING A SHARED DRIVEWAY AGREEMENT GOING OUT TO EAST MAINE? SO, UM, A SPECIFIC PLAN COULD BE USED TO CREATE SHARED ACCESS.
UM, BUT THE SPECIFIC PLAN WOULD ALSO NEED TO ENCUMBER, UH, THE TRAILER PARK PROPERTY, OBVIOUSLY.
AND THEN IT WOULD REQUIRE IMPROVEMENTS REVIEWED BY ALL DEPARTMENTS TO, UM, THE, UH, TRAILER PARK PROPERTY, UH, TO ADEQUATELY SERVE, UM, THE PROPOSED PROJECT SITE AND, AND HADN'T PREVIOUSLY BEEN CONSIDERED AS PART OF THE APPLICATION, PROBABLY DUE TO INCREASED COST OR, OR COMPLICATION.
YEAH, I REALIZE IT WOULD TAKE A LOT OF IMPROVEMENTS ON THE JUNIPER SIDE TO CREATE ACCESS.
AND I'M NOT SAYING THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE ACCESS TO MELODY, BUT IF THEY WERE ABLE TO SPLIT THE TRAFFIC, SO TO SPEAK, I THINK MORE PEOPLE WOULD WANT TO LEAVE ON MAIN STREET, THEN MELODY.
UM, EMERGENCY ACCESS COULD BE ACHIEVED BOTH DIRECTIONS, BUT THAT WOULD BE A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT ON THE JUNIPER SIDE.
SO I JUST WANTED TO ADD THAT THE, THE PROJECT WAS REVIEWED BY OUR PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT AND LOOKED AT IT FROM A, UM, TRAFFIC PERSPECTIVE.
AND SO MR. SANCHEZ HERE CAN ADD TO THIS A LITTLE BIT, BUT, UM, THERE IS SUFFICIENT CAPACITY ON MELODY LANE TO ACCOMMODATE THE PLANNED, UH, VEHICLE TRIPS ASSOCIATED WITH THE PROPOSED PROJECT.
UM, AND IT WAS EVALUATED FOR, UM, ACCESSIBILITY, UM, FROM MELODY LANE FOR, UM, LEFT TURNING AS WELL.
UM, AND IN CONJUNCTION WITH THAT, IT WAS ALSO EVALUATED BY HEARTLAND FIRE, UM, TO LOOK AT WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S, UM, SUFFICIENT ACCESS FOR, FOR SAFETY STANDARDS, UM, AND TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY CAN MEET THE TURNING RADIO TO PROVIDE SERVICE TO THE LOCATION.
SO THE SINGULAR DRIVEWAY FROM MELODY LANE, UH, WOULD MEET THE EXPECTATIONS OF CITY STAFF AND ADOPTED STANDARDS FOR ACCESS, UM, WITH REGARDS TO THAT, AS WELL AS NOT NEGATIVELY IMPACTING TRAFFIC IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
I MEAN, I WOULD, UM, YOU KNOW, UM, I WOULD CONCUR WITH THE ASSESSMENT, UH, THAT IN, IN THESE NEIGHBORHOODS OFF OF EAST MAIN STREET, THAT THERE IS A LOT OF TRAFFIC, BUT, UH, BUT LOOKING AT OUR STANDARDS AND THE SIZE OF THE STREET AND WHAT IT'S ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE, UM, IT WAS DETERMINED, UH, THAT THERE IS SUFFICIENT SIZE AND CAPACITY, UM, FOR THIS PROJECT.
UH, FOLLOW UP QUESTION, UH, FOR MR. SANCHEZ, WOULD WE BE ABLE TO CONSIDER LOOKING AT A THREE-WAY STOP AT THE DRIVEWAY? THIS MIGHT HELP WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ZOOMING THROUGH, I MEAN, FROM MAIN TO THIRD.
THERE'S NO TRAFFIC CONTROL HAPPENING AT THE MOMENT AND AT THIS DRIVEWAY ENTRANCE, IF WE WERE TO PUT A THREE-WAY STOP IN, THAT WOULD ASSIST THE RESIDENTS GETTING OUT, ASSUMING THAT PEOPLE FOLLOW STOP SIGNS.
UM, BUT IT ALSO MITIGATES SOME OF THE TRAFFIC IN THAT, ON THAT STREET.
WHAT'S THAT NOISE? KIDS ON THE SKATEBOARDS,
WHEN WE, WHEN WE EVALUATED THIS LOCATION, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE TYPICALLY LOOK AT HOW MANY TRIPS IT'S GONNA GENERATE.
AND WE COMPARE IT TO OTHER STUDIES THAT ARE DONE.
SAN DIEGO COUNTY, UH, SANDAG PUBLISHES, UH, TRIP GENERATION RATES AND, UM, YEAH,
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I'VE GOT THAT NUMBER.AND, UM, WE, WE DETERMINED THAT, UH, FOR THIS TYPE OF SITE, IT'S GONNA GENERATE ABOUT 230 VEHICLE TRIPS PER DAY.
SO IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, OVER 24 HOURS, NOT VERY MANY TRIPS, AND, UM, DETERMINED ABOUT 19:00 PM OR AM UH, PEAK TRIP TRIPS THAT COULD OCCUR IN THE MORNING AND THEN 24 OR 25 IN THE AFTERNOON.
SO IT'S, AND, AND THE WHOLE BIGGER PICTURE IS NOT VERY MANY TRIPS TO EVEN CONSIDER.
MAYBE A, AN ALWAYS STOP BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE GONNA JUST RUN BLOW THROUGH THAT STOP SIGN.
AND WHEN WE DO, UH, ALWAYS STOPS, WE, WE LOOK AT, UH, YOU KNOW, NATIONAL GUIDELINES, STATE GUIDELINES, AND UH, DE UH, DETERMINE, YOU KNOW, THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THATS WOULD BE COMING OUT OF, UH, A DRIVEWAY PER SE.
YOU KNOW, IF WE DID PUT IN A STOP SIGN, WE'RE KIND OF SETTING A PRES PRECEDENT FOR OTHER SMALL DEVELOPMENT FOR PUTTING THAT, OH, CAN YOU PUT A STOP SIGN MIDBLOCK? AND, AND IT DOESN'T WORK.
SO, UM, THAT'S, THAT'S THE DILEMMA WITH ADDING A, A THREE-WAY STOP WHERE IT'S NOT REALLY WARRANTED FOR, UH, UM, STOP SIGNS.
IF I COULD ASK A QUESTION, I MEAN, I LIVE ON A VERY BUSY STREET OUT HERE AND I HAVE TO WAIT QUITE A WHILE FOR PEOPLE TO GET OUT OF THE DRIVE, OUT OF MY OWN DRIVEWAY.
NOT EVEN A DRIVEWAY LIKE THIS.
UM, CUZ I'M FAIRLY CLOSE TO A LIGHT AND IT WAS A RETRIED ROAD, SO THERE'S JUST ONE LANE TO COME IN AND OUT AND THEN THIS CENTER LANE FOR ALL THIS LEFT TURNING.
UM, SO I MEAN I, YOU KNOW, I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THE, I THE CONCERN ABOUT PEOPLE ZIPPING THROUGH, UM, AND ALL THAT.
I GUESS ONE THING, AND I'LL I'LL ADDRESS THIS TO YOU, IS WHEN YOU WERE TO ADDRESS, IF YOU WERE TO ADDRESS YOUR RESIDENCE, IF THERE'S ALL THIS TRAFFIC ON MELODY AND THERE'S NO SIGNAL OR ANYTHING, NOW THERE'S A POTENTIAL FOR 2, 3, 4 RESIDENTS TO BE BACKED UP WAITING TO COME OUT IF THERE IS JUST ONE ENTRANCE OUT AND PEOPLE QUITE FREQUENTLY ARE LEAVING KIND OF AROUND THE SAME TIME, EITHER KIDS GOING TO SCHOOL OR PEOPLE GOING TO WORK.
SO IS, I MEAN, I GUESS IS THERE SOMETHING WHERE WE'RE LOOKING AT A POTENTIAL FOR BEING ABLE TO ALLOW JUST EVEN TRAFFIC TO COME OUT BETTER? I MEAN, I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT ABOUT THE SIGNAL OR NOT THE SIGNAL, THE STOP WITH THAT FEW, FEW TRIPS.
IT'S JUST THAT IT'LL BE CONCENTRATED KIND OF AT CERTAIN TIMES OF THE DAY.
WHAT OTHER ALTERNATIVES COULD THERE BE THAT WOULD HELP ALLOW RESIDENTS TO BE ABLE TO ACTUALLY LEAVE AND NOT GET STUCK BEHIND EACH OTHER AND MAYBE SOFTEN SOME OF THE TRAFFIC THAT'S HAPPENING ON MELODY NOW? AS FAR AS THE SPEED, NOT THE NUMBER OF TRIPS, BUT THE SPEED, YEAH, WE'D HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK AT, UM, I'M NOT SURE IF THERE'S SUFFICIENT WIDTH TO PUT IN, UH, A, A TURN, A TURNING LANE.
BUT, UH, WITH THAT, WITH THE, THE LACK OF WIDTH, UM, THEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT REMOVING PARKING AND THAT'S THE, THE DILEMMA OF, OF TRYING TO FIT IN A TURN LANE WITH, UH, ON A VERY NARROW STREET.
SO I WOULD TAKE A LOOK AT IT, BUT YOU JUST TAKE, UH, IT'S LIKE ANY OTHER DRIVEWAY.
YOU JUST TAKE A LOOK AT THE SITE DISTANCE, HOW AS YOU EXIT THE DRIVEWAY, IS THERE ADEQUATE SITE DISTANCE TO, TO SAFELY GET INTO THE STREET.
SO ALL THOSE FACTORS HAVE TO BE CONSIDERED.
AND REGARDING, SINCE IT IS A WALLED, HOW HIGH IS THE WALL NEAR THE STREET? SO IT DOESN'T IMPEDE ON THE VISUAL, IS IT, IS IT A FOR EXTERIOR YARD? FOR THE WALL IT'S LIMITED TO 42 INCHES.
SO BASICALLY THREE AND A HALF FEET.
AND THEN ALSO I NOTICED THAT RIGHT NEXT DOOR THERE'S A CUL-DE-SAC THAT HAS ABOUT THE SAME AMOUNT OF HOUSES.
SO IT'S JUST KIND OF SIMILAR TO WHAT'S ALREADY NEARBY REGARDING STU.
AND THAT'S A CUL DOUBLE CUL-DE-SAC.
SO IT'S NOT REALLY ADDING MUCH TO WHAT'S ALREADY KIND OF GOING ON IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ALREADY.
BUT, SO YEAH, I THINK WHAT COMMISSIONER CIRCLE MENTIONED REGARDING HAVING AN AGREEMENT WITH A MOBILE HOME HOME PARK TO USE THAT THOROUGHFARE OR SHARE IT, I THINK THAT WAS AN EXCELLENT IDEA CUZ IF THERE'S A FIRE AND THAT DRIVEWAY IS BLOCKED, PEOPLE HAVE A WAY TO GET OUT THROUGH A DIFFERENT AREA.
I THINK, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S FEASIBLE OR NOT, IF I'M MAY ON THAT POINT.
UM, WE DON'T CURRENTLY CONTROL THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY.
UM, THE, THE, UH, OWNER TO THE PARK TO THE WEST WANTED TO, UH, CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN THAT FOR ACCESS.
UM, THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE CAN'T LOOK INTO DOING AN EMERGENCY VEHICLE EXIT AT THAT NORTHERN END, UM, ONLY FOR FIRE EMERGENCIES MM-HMM.
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UH, SHARED MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT OR SHARED RECIPROCAL ACCESS AGREEMENT, UM, MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT MORE DIFFICULT TO DO DEPENDING ON WHAT HE PLANS TO DO WITH THAT PROPERTY IN THE FUTURE.SO WE DON'T WANNA MAKE ANY COMMITMENTS TO SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T KNOW MIGHT BE THERE IN THE FUTURE.
UM, BUT I DEFINITELY THINK WE CAN BE OPEN TO ADDING AN EMERGENCY FIRE, UM, EXIT BACK IN THAT AREA WHERE IT WILL BE WALLED IN.
WE CAN JUST ADD, UM, A GATE, A FENCE THERE WITH A NOX BOX THAT COULD BE, UH, ACCESSED BY FIRE IN THE CASE OF AN EMERGENCY.
THAT'S, UH, I THINK THAT'S AN EXCELLENT IDEA.
UM, ON THE LANDSCAPING PLAN, I WAS LOOKING AT THE TREE BY THE DRIVEWAY, THAT TREE MARKED NUMBER THREE, IS THAT ACTUALLY ON THE PROPERTY OR IS THAT NEXT TO THE PROPERTY? NO, THAT IS ACTUALLY OUT ON THE PUBLIC RIGHT AWAY.
UM, SO THROUGH THE MAPPING EFFORTS, PUBLIC WORKS HAS ASKED US TO PROVIDE FOUR FOOT OF, UM, ADDITIONAL PUBLIC RIGHT AWAY INTO THE STREET CENTER LINE.
AND IN THAT IMPROVEMENT WE WOULD ADD A STREET TREE THERE TO IMPROVE THE EXISTING TREE.
I WOULD ADD THAT THE, THAT THERE'S CONDITIONS INCLUDED TO ENSURE THAT THE TREE MEETS, YOU KNOW, HEIGHT STANDARDS FOR VISIBILITY AND SO FORTH.
SO JUST A QUICK QUESTION CAUSE I KNOW THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT THE GATE ISSUE.
WOULD THAT WOULD BE IN THE LAST DRIVEWAY THERE? WE COULD DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
NOT AS AN OPEN GATE FOR LEAVING, BUT FOR FIRE AND SAFETY THINGS AS SUCH? CORRECT.
ANY THE OTHER QUESTIONS? NOPE.
WERE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO MORE SPEAKERS.
I MOVE TO CLO CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT.
DID WE MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.
SO ANYONE HAVE A MOTION ON THIS? SO IT SEEMS THE BIGGEST ISSUE IS, UH, THE KNOWLEDGE MELODY IS A SMALL, SMALL STREET.
UM, I LOVE THE DEVELOPMENT LOOK, I LOVE THE ME TRAINING STYLE AND THE STEPPING, THE BLOCKING.
WE DIDN'T TALK AT ALL ABOUT THE AESTHETICS.
YOUR DESIGN TEAM DID A GREAT JOB.
UM, SO THE, THE PROJECT ITSELF IS A GREAT PROJECT AND UH, I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THAT THERE WAS PROPERTY THERE.
I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MANY TIMES AND I'VE SEEN THAT GATE AND I'M LIKE, WHOSE BACKYARD IS THAT
UM, SO I DIDN'T REALIZE IT WAS JUST BEING USED BY JUNIPER.
SO THIS IS, I I LOVE THE FACT THAT WE'RE PUTTING IN MULTIFAMILY HOMES, THE THREE BEDROOM, TWO AND HALF BATH.
I LOOKED AT THE PLANS, THEY'RE REALLY, WELL, THEY'RE REALLY INGENIOUS.
YOU'VE GOT SOME OF THE DIFFERENT STORIES THAT KIND OF SLIDE OVER EACH OTHER TO MAKE ADEQUATE WIDTH FOR THE PARKING AND ALL THE LAUNDRY ROOMS AND ALL THAT.
UM, SO IT, THE ONLY CONCERN I HAVE IS THE EGRESS, THIS LITTLE 25 FOOT CHANNEL INTO A LITTLE STREET THAT IS REALLY CROWDED.
UM, BUT IT'S, IT'S A GREAT LOOKING PROJECT.
UM, I THINK WE'LL ASK PUBLIC WORKS TO KEEP A VERY CLOSE EYE ON THAT CUZ I, I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA ADD A TON OF ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC.
IT'LL JUST BE ANOTHER STREET CONCENTRATION OF TRAFFIC.
UM, AND I, I FORWARD THAT STREET FREQUENTLY, SO THAT'LL BE INTERESTING TO SEE HOW THAT PLAYS OUT.
UM, YEAH, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? I, I, I AGREE WITH, UM, COMMISSIONER CIRCLE.
UM, IT'S NICE TO SEE DECENT SIZE, PROPER, YOU KNOW, IN, IN SUCH A CONDENSED PLACE THAT YOU'RE ABLE TO MAKE VERY NICE SIZE HOMES.
UM, AND IT'S NICE, EVEN THOUGH IT'S TOWN, I SHOULDN'T SAY EVEN THOUGH IT'S TOWN HOMES, BUT BEING, YOU KNOW, KIND OF THOSE MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTS
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THAT, THAT THEY'LL BE HOMES.UM, WHICH I DO THINK IT JUST, YOU KNOW, IT, IT HELPS THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN A LOT OF OTHER WAYS WITH VALUE BECAUSE YOU HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING IN.
I'M ASSUMING THESE ARE ALL GONNA BE INDIVIDUALLY PURCHASED.
RIGHT? SO THAT ALSO HELPS, YOU KNOW, WITH PEOPLE THAT HAVE AN INTEREST IN THE HOME.
IT'S NOT TO SAY SOMEBODY MIGHT BUY IT AND RENT IT OUT, BUT I IMAGINE THE RENTS WOULD BE PRETTY HIGH FOR THREE BEDROOMS. BUT, UM, BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR HOME OWNERSHIP FOR PEOPLE BECAUSE THIS IS LESS EXPENSIVE THAN BUYING AN ACTUAL SINGLE FAMILY HOME.
UM, A SEPARATE, YOU KNOW, JUST DWELLING.
SO, I MEAN, I THINK IT'S, IT IS REALLY NICE.
YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T DRIVE UP MELODY LANE FREQUENTLY, BUT I HAVE HAD FRIENDS DOWN THERE AND I KNOW IT IS, THE TRAFFIC IS TOUGH AND BEING A PEDIATRIC NURSE PRACTITIONER, I'M ALWAYS CONCERNED ABOUT KIDS GETTING HIT.
UM, BUT I'M ALSO OF THAT MINDSET THAT KIDS SHOULD NOT BE IN THE STREET.
UM, EVEN IF IT'S A VERY CO MAYBE IF YOU HAVE A CUL-DE-SAC, BUT, UM, EVEN THEN YOU NEED TO BE, THERE SHOULD ALWAYS BE EYES ON THE KIDS.
UM, I MEAN, I SEE KIDS ALL THE TIME ON THEIR BIKES, ON THEIR SKATEBOARDS, ON THEIR SCOOTERS WITHOUT HELMETS.
UM, UNFORTUNATELY WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH POLICE TO MANAGE THAT OR PARENTS THAT WILL MAKE SURE THEIR KIDS ARE SAFE IN THAT REGARD.
BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THIS IS STILL A NICE PROJECT.
I THINK IT WILL BRING GOOD PEOPLE INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
WHENEVER WE HAVE VACANT LOTS, THERE'S ALWAYS THINGS THAT CAN HAPPEN WITH THOSE VACANT PLACES THAT PEOPLE POP TENTS AND OTHER THINGS THAT SHOULDN'T BE THERE EITHER.
SO THAT COULD BRING A WHOLE DIFFERENT ISSUE THAN TRAFFIC.
UM, SO I THINK IT'S NICE TO HAVE SOMETHING NEW COME INTO THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
IT ALSO ENCOURAGES PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO SOME, I MEAN, I KNOW WITH OUR, IN OURS WHEN WE HAD SOME PEOPLE FIXING THEIR HOMES UP, WE KINDA LOOK AT OUR HOUSE AND GO, HMM, MAYBE WE SHOULD PAINT.
MAYBE WE SHOULD FIX OUR LANDSCAPING.
CUZ EVERYTHING LOOKS NICE AROUND YOU.
SO THAT ALSO CAN HELP WITH THE VALUES.
BUT YOU KNOW, I, I KNOW THAT, I KNOW THAT, UM, MR. SANCHEZ WILL AND HIS DEPARTMENT WILL BE KEEPING AN EYE ON THE, THE TRAFFIC.
HE'LL PROBABLY, IF THERE ARE CONCERNS, I'M SURE PEOPLE WILL BE RELYING IT.
UM, I KNOW THAT THEY'VE ADDRESSED THINGS ON MAGNOLIA WHEN WE HAD ISSUES AND WERE ABLE TO MAKE SOME OTHER ADJUSTMENTS, ESPECIALLY IF PEOPLE WERE PARKING WHERE IT BLOCKS VIEWS FROM DRIVEWAYS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO, UM, I DO KNOW THAT THAT'S BEEN ADDRESSED.
BUT YEAH, I, I MEAN I REALLY LIKE THE, THE LOOK AND ACTUALLY ANY CHILDREN IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD OR IN THESE PROPERTIES WILL ACTUALLY BE OFF THE STREET JUST BY VIRTUE OF HOW IT'S LAID OUT.
WELL, I, UH, CONCUR WITH COMMISSIONER VALEZ AND COMMISSIONER CIRCLE ALL THAT'S BEEN SAID, AND I THINK IT'S, UH, MUCH BETTER THAN WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE NOW.
BUT I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO ADD THE CAVEAT REGARDING INGRESS AND EGRESS OF THE EMERGENCY VEHICLES.
I THINK YOUR IDEA IS EXCELLENT AND I THINK IT, UH, IT SERVES THE COMMUNITY MUCH BETTER TO LOOK INTO THAT AS WELL.
SO I, I STRONGLY WOULD RECOMMEND TO DO THAT, TO HAVE, FOR EMERGENCY VEHICLE TO HAVE A WAY IN OR A WAY OUT OF THAT IN, IN CASE OF EMERGENCY, IF THAT IS POSSIBLE.
I WOULD LIKE TO ADD THAT TO THE, UH, RECOMMENDATION REGARDING THIS, UH, AGENDA ITEM TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
YOU HAVE A MOTION SINCE YOU HAVE A GREAT IDEA TO ADD TO IT? SURE.
I, UM, I MOVE TO ADOPT THE NEXT RESOLUTION IN ORDER RECOMMENDING CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL OF THE SE Q DETERMINATION S SP 2022 DASH 0 0 2 AND TSM 2021 DASH 0 0 7.
IN ADDITION TO THAT, TO SEE THE VISIBILITY OF HAVING AN EMERGENCY INGRESS AND EGRESS, UH, REGARDING THIS, UH, PROJECT AND SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS WHICH HAVE BEEN, UH, DELINEATED HERE.
MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.
SO DOES STAFF HAVE HAVE ANY ADDITIONS? SO, UM, SO FOR IF WE'RE MOVING ON TO ITEM FOUR FOR OTHER ITEMS FOR CONSIDERATIONS OR STAFF COMMUNICATIONS.
UM, THERE ARE NO ADDITIONAL ITEMS FROM STAFF ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA.
SO DOES ANYONE MOVE TO ADJOURN THE MEETING? I WILL MOVE TO ADJOURN.
THAT MOTION CARRIES BY NINE AS VOTE.
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HERE GOES.