[ CALL TO ORDER: Mayor Bill Wells]
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HELLO, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WELCOME TO THE EVENING SESSION OF THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING.
THE MEDIA IS NOT CALLED AN ORDER, AND I'D LIKE TO ASK OUR CITY CLERK TO PLEASE CALL THE ROLE.
ALL COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE PRESENT.
WOULD YOU PLEASE STAND WITH ME FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE AND THE REMAIN STANDING FOR A BRIEF MOMENT OF SILENCE AFTERWARDS, I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
ALL RIGHT, WE'LL START WITH AGENDA CHANGES.
DO YOU HAVE ANY AGENDA CHANGES? NO, SIR.
COUNSEL, NO PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS TIME.
ANY PERSON MAY ADDRESS THE MATTER WITHIN THE JURISDICTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL HOUSING AUTHORITY SUCCESSOR AGENCY TO THE ALCOHOL REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY THAT IS NOT ON THE AGENDA COMMENTS RELATED TO ITEMS ON TODAY'S AGENDA ALREADY BE TAKEN AT THE TIME.
THE ADAM'S HEARD STATE LAW PROHIBITS DISCUSSION OR ACTION ON ITEMS, NOT ON THE AGENDA.
HOWEVER, COUNCIL AUTHORITY AND AGENCY MEMBERS MAY BRIEFLY RESPOND TO STATEMENTS OR QUESTIONS, AND AN ITEM MAY BE PLACED ON A FUTURE AGENDA.
ANDREW, HAVE ANY CARDS FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? WE HAVE NO CARDS, SIR.
[100. Planned Unit Development and Tentative Parcel Map for the Naranca 3-Unit Development RECOMMENDATION: That the City Council: Opens the Public Hearing and receives testimony; Closes the Public Hearing; Moves to adopt the next Resolution, in order, approving the CEQA Exemption; Moves to adopt the next Resolution, in order, approving Planned Unit Development No. 2020-0001, subject to conditions; and Moves to adopt the next Resolution, in order, approving Tentative Parcel Map No. 2021-0002, subject to conditions.]
MOVING ON TO PUBLIC HEARINGS, THEN ITEM 100 IS FOR A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT.AND I'LL ASK OUR STAFF TO TELL US ABOUT THIS.
I KNOW GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.
UM, JUST GO LV, DEPUTY DIRECTOR FOR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.
I'M HERE TO INTRODUCE, UH, SPENCER HAYES.
WHO'S THE PROJECT MANAGER FOR THIS ITEM.
SO HE'LL GIVE THE PRESENTATION.
GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND SILICA CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS.
UM, IF I COULD GET THE POWERPOINT UP.
SO THE FIRST ITEM FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION TONIGHT IS THE NEURONTIN THREE UNIT DEVELOPMENT SUBMITTED BY ROBBIE MIKA.
UM, THE PROJECT PROPOSES A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT CONSISTING OF THREE DETACHED SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES WITH ATTACHED TWO CAR GARAGES AND PRIVATE YARDS.
UH, THE PROJECT ALSO INCLUDES A, A FOUR LOT TENTATIVE PARCEL MAP.
UM, SO THAT'S ONE SUB PLOT FOR EACH OF THE HOMES AND A COMMON LOT, UH, FOR DRIVEWAY ACCESS TO THOSE GARAGES AND GUEST PARKING.
THE PROJECT SITE IS WITHIN THE LOW DENSITY, RESIDENTIAL, UH, UH, GENERAL PLAN DESIGNATION, UH, AND IS ALSO WITHIN THE RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY 6,000 SQUARE FOOT ZONE, CONSISTENT WITH THE EXPECTED DENSITY FOR THE, UH, THE GENERAL PLAN DESIGNATION, WHICH IS THREE TO 10 UNITS.
THE PROJECT PROPOSES A APPROXIMATELY A SEVEN DWELLING UNIT PER ACRE DENSITY.
UH, THE PARCEL IS 18,808 SQUARE FEET, WHICH IS JUST SHY OF HALF AN ACRE.
AND THE PARCEL IS CURRENTLY VACANT.
UH, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT HAD RECENTLY, UH, APPROVED DEMOLITION PERMITS FOR A SUBSTANDARD HOME AND GARAGE THAT WERE ON THAT PROPERTY.
UM, IT SHOULD ALSO BE MENTIONED THAT A LARGE PORTION OF THE SITE IS AN EASEMENT FOR FORRESTER CREEK TO THE SOUTH.
UM, AND THE PROPOSED PLANS SHOW THAT THE HOMES ARE OUTSIDE OR ABOVE THE POTENTIAL FLOOD AREA.
SO THE PROJECT SITE IS LOCATED ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF NEUROGLIA AVENUE BETWEEN NORTH SECOND AND GRAPE STREETS.
UH, IT'S BOUNDED BY OTHER RM 6,000, UH, ZONED LOTS TO THE NORTH AND THE EAST, AS WELL AS AGAIN, FORRESTER CREEK AND THE IAA TO THE SOUTH.
THERE'S ALSO TWO SINGLE FAMILY UNITS, UH, DIRECTLY TO THE WEST.
UM, THERE'S A SIMILARLY CONFIGURED PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT, WHICH IS LOCATED ABOUT 150 FEET TO THE EAST ON THE NORTH SIDE OF NEURONTIN.
AND SO HERE'S A REPRESENTATION OF THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN AND MAP.
UM, THE RESIDENCES ARE SHOWN IN YELLOW.
THE COMMON LOT IS SHOWN IN GREEN AND THEN THAT LARGE EASEMENT FOR THE DRAINAGE CHANNEL IS IN BLUE.
UM, SO IN ADDITION TO THE TWO CAR GARAGES, UH, THE COMMON LAW INCLUDES THREE ADDITIONAL, UH, SURFACE PARKING SPACES FOR GUEST PARKING.
UH, AND THAT'S IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE RM 6,000 ZONE REQUIREMENTS.
UH, EACH OF THE UNITS ALSO HAS ACCESS TO A PRIVATE YARD AREA, UH, WHICH IS CONSISTENT WITH THE PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, UH, AND A LARGE FRONT YARD SET BACK OFF OF NEUROTIC AVENUE, WHICH IS CONSISTENT WITH THE ARMED 6,000 ZONE REQUIREMENTS.
SO WITH ONE EXCEPTION FOR CONCRETE SIDEWALKS, UH, THE PROPOSED PLANS MEET ALL OF THE OTHER DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS
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OF THE PUD SECTION OF CODE AND THE ARMS 6,000 ZONE, UH, THE PUD, UH, SECTION OF THE ZONING CODE, DISCUSSES CONCRETE SIDEWALKS, UH, ATTACHING THE SURFACE PARKING TO THE RESIDENCES.UH, BASICALLY IN THIS CASE, THE, UH, PROJECT PROPONENT IS PROPOSING TO ACCOMMODATE PEDESTRIAN ACCESS IN THE, THE, UH, COMMON DRIVE AREA.
UH, SINCE IT WOULDN'T BE NECESSARY FOR JUST THE THREE UNITS IN THOSE THREE PARKING SPACES, UH, THE BUILDING DESIGN COMPLIES WITH HEIGHT REQUIREMENTS OF THE ARMS 6,000 ZONE, WHICH IS 20 FEET, UH, AND THAT, UH, PRODUCES A PRODUCT WITH SOMEWHAT A SHALLOW PITCH FOR THE ROOF LINE.
THE PROPOSED FINISHED MATERIALS ARE STUCCO WITH A BOLD TRIM, UH, AROUND THE WINDOWS AND DOORWAYS AND DIFFERENT VARIATIONS OF EARTH TONES, BROWNS AND TANS.
UM, THE PROPOSED DESIGN ALSO MEETS THE ARCHITECTURAL VARIATION STANDARDS IN THE RESIDENTIAL SECTION OF THE ZONING CODE.
UM, ONE LAST NOTE IS THAT THE PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT CHAPTER IN THE ZONING CODE STATES THAT CITY COUNCIL MAY REQUIRE CONSTRUCTION OF A SIX FOOT PROJECT BOUNDARY FENCE OR WALL.
AND IN THIS CASE, A SIX FOOT WOOD FENCE IS PROPOSED ALONG THE PROJECT BOUNDARY AND BETWEEN THE UNITS.
AND HERE'S WHAT THOSE PROPOSED ELEVATIONS, UH, LOOK LIKE.
UH, ESSENTIALLY EACH OF THE, THE HOME FOOTPRINTS IS VERY SIMILAR WITH A SLIGHT MODIFICATIONS OR REORIENTATION FOR THE DIRECTION OF THE DRIVE ENTRY INTO THE GARAGE.
UH, AND THEN AS DISCUSSED, YOU CAN SEE THE TRIM ELEMENTS AND THE TAN, UM, UH, COLORS ON THE STUCCO.
SO PLANNING COMMISSION HELD A HEARING ON JULY 9TH, UH, AND ONE INDIVIDUAL JUST REQUESTED CLARIFICATION OF THE PROPOSED PARKING CONFIGURATION.
UM, AND THEN THE PROJECT PROPONENT, UH, SPOKEN FAVOR, UH, AT THAT SAME MEETING, THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL, UH, UM, BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF ALL THE MEMBERS PRESENT.
UH, AND WITH THAT STAFF ARE AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.
THANK YOU, SPENCER, UM, QUESTIONS I'M SURE SINCE THIS IS RIGHT BY THE, UM, EXIT AND RIGHT BY EIGHT, WHAT TYPE OF MITIGATION STEPS HAVE YOU TAKEN OR IS, IS GOING TO BE TAKEN TO MITIGATE THE SOUND? BECAUSE I, AND I'M JUST CURIOUS MAYBE IN 10, 15 YEARS WHEN TRAFFIC GETS EVEN WORSE OUT THERE, I WOULD HATE FOR THIS TO COME BACK AND SAY, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT THE SOUND? YEAH, SO, UH, THIS IS NOT MY AREA OF EXPERTISE, BUT I DO KNOW THAT BUILDING CODE REQUIRES A SOUND TO ME MITIGATED TO A CERTAIN LEVEL, WHICH IS SUPPOSED TO BE ACCEPTABLE FOR ALL RESIDENTIAL USES.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT IT IS NOW? WHAT THE SOUND LEVEL IS NOW? OKAY.
WHENEVER I HEAR OF A TWO-STORY BUILDINGS, I'M ALWAYS CONCERNED ABOUT PRIVACY.
AND SO ARE THE HOMES ON EITHER SIDE SINGLE STORY OR DOUBLE A, THERE'S BOTH SINGLE STORY ON EITHER SIDE AND THE WAY THAT THEY'RE ORIENTED WITH THE SECOND STORY OF THESE, BE LOOKING DOWN INTO ANYTHING LIKE INSIDE THE LIVING ROOM, OR IT WOULD BE WINDOWS FACING THE ADJACENT PROPERTY.
UM, IF YOU DON'T MIND, I'LL BRING BACK UP THE SITE PLAN.
SO YOU'LL SEE THAT THIS SETBACK THOUGH, FROM THE ADJACENT PROPERTY, ESPECIALLY TO THE EAST IS SLIGHTLY LARGER TO ACCOMMODATE FOR THEIR REAR YARDS.
SO THAT SETBACK IS SLIGHTLY GREATER.
UH, THE UNIT ON THE WEST SIDE, UH, IF I JUMP BACK TO THE ELEVATIONS, NOW I'M JUST GOING THE WRONG WAY.
UH, SO THAT ELEVATION IS THE BOTTOM LEFT SIDE ELEVATION WHERE THE WINDOWS ARE SMALLER AND LESS FREQUENT, UH, THAN THE OPPOSITE SIDE.
AND I, UH, SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THE BOTTOM PICTURE THERE, RIGHT? CORRECT.
AND ON THE LEFT-HAND SIDE, YOU'RE SEEING, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WOULD GO WITH THIS AND IN THIS BUILDING, ARE THOSE BATHROOMS, ARE THEY BEDROOMS? UH, I DON'T HAVE THE FLOOR PLAN, UH, CURRENTLY WITH ME, BUT, UH, SO YOU'LL SEE THE, THE HALF HEIGHT WINDOWS, THOSE WOULD BE BATHROOM WINDOWS.
UM, AND THEN I COULDN'T TELL YOU ON THE BOTTOM, MOST OF THE BOTTOM FLOOR DOESN'T MATTER AS MUCH, BUT I BELIEVE THE OTHER ONES ARE BEDROOM WINDOWS THEN.
SECOND FLOOR HAS THE SECOND STORY HAS THE BEDROOMS. YEAH.
AND THE WAY THAT THESE, THE ORIENTED, IF, IF THE NEXT DOOR NEIGHBORS ON EITHER SIDE WANTED TO DO SOLAR SOMEDAY, THIS DOESN'T HAVE ANY MATERIAL IMPACT ON SOMEBODY WHO WOULD NOT KNOW.
DIDN'T ASK ABOUT SOMEBODY LOOKING DOWN ON MY BACKYARD OR SOMETHING.
CAUSE THEY WOULD'VE GOTTEN NOTIFICATION AT THIS PROJECT.
EVERYONE WITHIN A 300 FOOT RADIUS WOULD'VE RECEIVED NOTICE AND WE DID NOT RECEIVE ANY, UH, COMMENTS PRIOR TO THE MEETING.
THERE HAS BEEN A, UM, AN ENCAMPMENT ON THE
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OTHER SIDE OF THE DRAINAGE CANAL IS, HAS ANYONE CONTACTED CALTRANS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY CAN'T GET BACK THERE ANYMORE? CAUSE I WOULD HATE FOR THESE PEOPLE TO BUILD THEIR HOMES AND THEN HAVE YOU, WE DON'T HAVE JURISDICTION OVER THAT PARTICULAR AREA.SO I WOULD HATE FOR THEM TO BUILD IT AND THEN HAVE A, AN ISSUE.
I DO KNOW THAT THE SUBJECT PROPERTY DID HAVE, UH, AN ISSUE AS WELL WITH AN ENCAMPMENT, WHICH THE PROPERTY OWNER ADDRESSED.
UM, IN REGARDS TO THE CALTRANS, WE CAN NOTIFY THEM WHEN WE BECOME AWARE.
BUT I THINK ALSO HAVING A, UH, A PROPERTY THAT'S BEEN UTILIZED AND IS NOT VACANT ANYMORE WOULD BE LESS OF ATTRACTIVE YOU YOU'VE SINCE JUST THROWING IT OUT.
UM, I THINK WE'RE SUSPENSIONS.
I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASKED 30 STREET CARS IN THIS ITEM.
UM, ONLY MR. SAMIR, MIKA IS HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT.
HE DOESN'T REALLY WISH TO SPEAK, BUT IT'S AVAILABLE FOR YOU.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, LET ME SEE IF WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
NO, YOU'RE OFF THE HOOK, SO, OKAY.
THEN I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING.
PLEASE VOTE MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION WITH SOMEBODY LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, UH, MOVED TO ADOPT SECOND, PLEASE VOTE.
I MIGHT JUST FOR CLARIFICATION IS THE MOTION TO ADOPT ALL THREE ITEMS, THE THREE RESOLUTIONS.
DO I NEED TO SAY STATE ALL THREE? WELL, YOU SHOULD MENTION AT LEAST THAT YOU INCLUDE YOU'RE INCLUDING ALL THREE RESOLUTIONS.
MY, MY MOTION IS TO ADOPT ALL THREE RESOLUTIONS, UH, OUTLINED IN THE, UH, STAFF REPORT.
I'M JUST GOING TO NEED A SECOND.
RIGHT THEN PLEASE VOTE MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.
[101. El Cajon Public Safety and Essential Services Measure RECOMMENDATION: That the City Council: Adopts the next Resolution, in order, authorizing the placement of a one-cent sales tax measure on the November 8, 2022 ballot. Conducts first reading, by title only, of an Ordinance repealing Ordinance No. 4919 and imposing a transactions and use tax to be administered by the State Department of Tax and Fee Administration. Adopts the next Resolution, in order, establishing the City Council's priorities for expending any new sales tax funds generated from the measure, if approved. Allocates up to $150,000 in General Reserves for information sharing efforts.]
ALL RIGHT.WE HAVE ONE ADMINISTRATIVE REPORT ON TODAY'S AGENDA ITEM 1 0 1 IS A PUBLIC SAFETY AND ESSENTIAL SERVICES MEASURE.
THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, UH, MR. DIMAGGIO, AND I WILL BE TAG TEAMING THIS AGENDA ITEMS. HE'S GOING TO TAKE THE FIRST PART AND TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE BACKGROUND THAT I'LL, I'LL DIVE INTO SOME OF THE RATIONALE FOR STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.
SO WITH THAT, MR. DEMASIO, UM, MR. MAYOR MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, BEFORE I BEGIN MY HALF OF THE, UM, PRESENTATION, I JUST WANT TO MAKE MENTION THAT AS YOU KNOW, WE, WE DEALT WITH A LOT OF INFORMATION THAT WE GATHERED IN A VERY SHORT PERIOD OF TIME TO PRESENT TO YOU TONIGHT.
AND EVEN THOUGH IT'S GRAHAM AND MY NAME ON THE STAFF REPORT, NONE OF THIS COULD HAVE HAPPENED WITHOUT THE HELP OF RYAN VEGAS.
AND I JUST WANT TO GIVE HIM A SHOUT OUT BECAUSE HE DID SOME VERY HEAVY LIFTING IN THIS PROCESS OVER THE LAST THREE OR FOUR WEEKS, I WOULD SAY, AND PARTICULARLY IN THE LAST TWO WEEKS.
SO A FUTURE CITY MANAGER THERE WITHOUT A DOUBT IN MY MIND, UM, BUT NOT FOR AWHILE YET BECAUSE WE NEED HIM.
SO LET'S START BY, UH, REFRESHER IN WHAT PROPOSITION J ACTUALLY IS.
IT'S THE HALF CENT SALES TAX THAT IS CURRENTLY IN A FORCE IN EFFECT.
IT WAS PASSED IN 2008, WHICH ALL OF US REMEMBER WAS THE BEGINNING OF WHAT IS COLLOQUIALLY KNOWN AS THE GREAT RECESSION AND THAT THOSE, THOSE RECESSIONARY IMPACTS LASTED SEVERAL YEARS.
AND SO PROPOSITION J WAS ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY IN FUNDING VITAL AND BASIC CITY SERVICES, UH, YEAR IN AND YEAR OUT IN THIS TIME PERIOD, IT HAS A SUNSET OF JANUARY OF 2029, WHICH IS STILL SEVERAL YEARS AWAY, BUT IT'S, IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE THINK ABOUT, UH, WHAT, WHAT THE FINANCIAL PICTURE OF THIS CITY LOOKS LIKE, UH, IN 2029, EVEN THOUGH IT'S ONLY 2022, UM, IF PROP J WERE TO GO AWAY AND LET'S JUST SPEAK ABOUT PROP J FOR JUST A SECOND, WE, WE WOULD HAVE TO ELIMINATE THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE, HUMAN RESOURCES, CITY CLERK, FINANCE, AND THE PARK AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT.
ALL OF THOSE DEPARTMENTS SIMPLY COULD NOT EXIST WITHOUT THE SUPPLEMENTAL REVENUE PROVIDED BY PROP J IN ITS CURRENT ITERATION.
SO WHAT WAS OUR DECISION HERE? UM, THIS WAS, UH, THIS WAS RYAN AND I KIND OF SITTING AROUND THINKING, WHEN ARE WE GOING TO PULL FOR THIS? IT DOESN'T
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HAPPEN UNTIL 2029.WHEN SHOULD WE GATHER DATA? AND THE DECISION WAS MADE, UH, TO GO AHEAD AND PULL NOW, UM, JUST TO GET A BASELINE AND TO BE PERFECTLY FRANK WITH YOU.
I, I KIND OF FIGURED OUR BASELINE WOULD BE AROUND 30%, YOU KNOW, AND, AND THAT WOULD KIND OF GIVE US AN IDEA TO SIT DOWN WITH GRAHAM AND MYSELF AND KIND OF DECIDE ON WHAT KIND OF PROGRAM WE NEEDED TO EMBARK ON OVER THE NEXT SEVERAL YEARS TO TALK ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF PROP J AND TALK ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF THE ISSUES THAT THE RESIDENTS OF ALCOHOL WOULD LIKE YOU ALL TO FOCUS ON AND HOW EXACTLY WE DO THAT.
SO WE ALSO NEED TO ASK OURSELVES THE QUESTION, DO WE WANT TO REPEAL PROP J AND REPLACE IT WITH SOMETHING ELSE? DO WE WANT TO EXTEND PROP J WHAT EXACTLY ARE WE ASKING, UM, OF THE VOTERS WHEN THE TIME COMES THAT COULD BE AND WAS INCLUDED IN THE POLLING? UH, GRAHAM'S GONNA TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT ELECTION CYCLES, BUT OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE THE 2022 CYCLE, THE 2024 CYCLE, THE 2026 CYCLE AND THE 2028 CYCLE, UM, OR, OR A SPECIAL ELECTION, WHICH IS VERY EXPENSIVE.
UM, LOOKING, WE CAN PROGNOSTICATE ALL OF THOSE DIFFERENT CYCLES AND SAY, THIS IS GOOD.
THIS IS WHAT WE THINK IS GOING TO HAPPEN.
THE FARTHER WE GO INTO THE FUTURE, THE MORE UNSURE WE GET WITH WHAT THE SITUATION IS GOING TO BE, BUT THOSE ARE THE CYCLES THAT WE HAVE.
WE RETAIN THE SERVICES OF PRO BOSKY RESEARCH, AND THEY CONDUCTED THE POLL THAT YOU'RE ABOUT TO SEE SOME OF THE RESULTS ON FROM JUNE, JULY 23RD TO JULY 26TH, JUST A FEW WEEKS AGO, THEY PULLED A TOTAL OF 400 ELKHORN HOME VOTERS, AND THEY PULLED AN ENGLISH, SPANISH AND ARABIC.
AND IT'S, IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THE SURVEY PARTICIPANTS AT 400 IS A HUNDRED MORE THAN POLLSTERS WOULD RECOMMEND FOR A CITY, THE SIZE OF ALCOHOL.
IT'S ALL VERY COMPLICATED STATISTICS, WHICH I'M NOT VERY GOOD AT, BUT THESE PEOPLE ARE EXPERTS AT, AND THEY WILL TELL YOU THAT 400 IS A VERY ROBUST NUMBER TO SURVEY FOR A CITY OF 100,000.
SO WE HAVE HIGH DEGREE OF CONFIDENCE AND THE POLLSTERS HAVE A HIGH DEGREE OF CONFIDENCE IN THE NUMBER OF PARTICIPANTS.
WE USED PHONE AND LAMB, UH, PHONE LANDLINE, AND CELL ONLINE, UH, EMAIL AND TEXT, AND THE LINK, AS YOU CAN SEE ANYWHERE BETWEEN 16 OR 18 MINUTES.
UM, I BELIEVE THE ONLINE FOLKS TOOK A LITTLE BIT SHORTER THAT TWO MINUTES SHORTER.
AND AGAIN, THESE WERE ALCOHOL VOTERS.
UH, JUST A BRIEF SNAPSHOT OF DEMOGRAPHICS.
UM, CAUCASIAN RESPONDENTS WERE, UH, AT ABOUT 45 HISPANIC RESPONDENTS THAT AT 30.3% AND THEN A NUMBER OF, OF SMALLER PERCENTAGES MAKING UP THE REST OF THE ETHNIC GROUPS.
INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, UH, WE HAVE A 4% DIFFERENTIAL MALE TO FEMALE.
THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF UNUSUAL, ALTHOUGH IT'S NEVER 50, 50, IT'S, IT'S NEVER REALLY 4%.
SO IT'S KIND OF AN UNUSUAL DYNAMIC HERE, NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, FOR THE, FOR THE POLLING, BUT JUST KIND OF AN INTERESTING DYNAMIC THAT, UH, SPREADS ACROSS THE COMMUNITY OF A 4% DIFFERENTIAL BETWEEN MALE AND FEMALE PARTY PREFERENCE IS VERY, IS VERY EVEN, UM, DEMOCRAT, REPUBLICAN, NOT EVEN A 1% DIFFERENCE, UH, IN THOSE AND QUITE A FEW RESPONDENTS WERE NONPARTISAN, NO PARTY PREFERENCE, AND THE AGE GROUPS ARE REPRESENTED, UH, PRETTY, PRETTY WELL PRETTY WELL, A SPLIT, UM, ACROSS ALL AGE GROUPS WITH, UH, THE OLDER AGE GROUPS MAKING UP THE 50 TO 64, MAKING UP THE LION'S SHARE, UM, PLURALITY, I GUESS YOU CAN SAY AT 26.3%.
SO THE FIRST PIECE OF DATA W UH, I THINK SHOCKED THE POLLSTERS, UM, THE FIRST PIECE OF DATA WAS AN OPEN-ENDED QUESTION.
WHAT ESSENTIALLY, WHAT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE THAT YOU WANT THE CITY TO, TO PRIORITIZE? AND AS YOU CAN SEE, REDUCING HOMELESSNESS, 81.3%, THAT'S SHOCKING BECAUSE ACCORDING TO THE POLLSTERS, ACCORDING TO PRO-BALL SKI, USUALLY YOU SEE A NUMBER WITH THE TOP PRIORITY FOR A COMMUNITY 51 55, 50 6%.
THEY HAVE NEVER REALLY SEEN ANYTHING AT 81.3%.
AND BECAUSE THIS WAS AN OPEN-ENDED QUESTION, THEY WERE ABLE TO DISCERN FROM THE VARIOUS ANSWERS, UM, THAT THERE IS A LOT OF, THERE, THERE IS A LAW.
THEY REALLY WANT YOU TO PRIORITIZE, PRIORITIZE THIS.
AND, AND, AND TO BE FAIR, WE HAVE PRIORITIZE THIS WITH THE RESOURCES THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE, BUT THEY WANT MORE CLEARLY WANT MORE.
AND THE SECOND ISSUE REMOVING ILLEGAL HOMELESS ENCAMPMENTS, ANOTHER BIG NUMBER HERE, 64 POINT, UH, 64%.
UM, AGAIN, THAT ALSO HAS TO DO OBVIOUSLY WITH HOMELESSNESS.
SO THESE ARE TWO VERY IMPORTANT, UM,
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UH, ISSUES FOR, FOR THE ELECTORATE, FOR THE RESIDENTS.AND THEN OF COURSE, PREVENTING AND REDUCING CRIME, UH, IS 61%.
AND THEN WE FALL OFF ONTO, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, REDUCING CRIME, UM, THAT'S 49%.
SO THEN WE FALL OFF ONTO SOME SMALLER, UH, PERCENTAGES, WHICH WE WOULD EXPECT TO SEE, UH, WHEN PEOPLE ARE, YOU KNOW, ONE THIRD, WANT, UH, YOU KNOW, THE CITY GOVERNMENT TO BE MORE EFFICIENT.
WELL, THAT'S ALWAYS GONNA PULL AT ONE THIRD.
THERE'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE ONE THIRD PEOPLE THAT WANT US TO BE MORE EFFICIENT.
BUT THE REAL THING HERE IS, IS THE HOMELESSNESS AND THE REDUCTION OF CRIME SEEMS TO BE THE MAJOR PRIORITY.
SO AT THIS POINT, WHAT THE POLLSTER WOULD PRO-BALL SKI DID WAS DO A SPLIT SAMPLE, TAKING HALF OF THE RESPONDENTS AND ASKING THE QUESTION, WOULD YOU VOTE YES.
ON THE SALES TAX, IF IT WERE TO EXPIRE IN 20 YEARS.
SO HALF OF THE RESPONDENTS WERE PULLED WITH THIS QUESTION, AND AS YOU CAN SEE, 59% SAID, YEAH, I DO THAT.
IF IT EXPIRED IN 20 YEARS NOW, THERE WAS OPPOSITION AS, AS THERE ALWAYS IS GOING TO BE 24.5% SAID, NO, I'M NOT GOING TO GO FOR THAT 17%.
NOW, THE SECOND, THE SPLIT SAMPLE B TAKES THE REST OF THE RESPONDENTS, HALF OF THE REST OF THE RESPONDENTS AND SAID, WOULD YOU VOTE? YES.
IF IT WAS ENDED BY THE VOTERS, AND NOW YOU SEE 65% WITH 20, THE SAME, JUST GENERALLY THE SAME, NO VOTE, BUT YOU'RE UNSURE.
CAME ON BOARD WITH THE, YES, YOU'RE UNSURE DECLINED BY HALF BECAUSE THERE WAS EMPOWERMENT THERE THAT, THAT YOU EXPLAINED THAT IT WAS ENDED BY THE VOTERS.
AND SO THERE WAS A SENSE OF EMPOWERMENT.
AND SO YOU MOVED UNSURES OVER TO YES.
SO THE AVERAGE OF THE SPLAY SPLIT B WOULD BE 62% WOULD VOTE YES.
IF THE SALES TAX MEASURE WAS A 1 CENT SALES TAX MEASURE, AGAIN, BY A LARGE MARGIN, AGAIN, YOU ONLY GOT 8.5% THAT ARE UNSURE ABOUT THAT.
AGAIN, 22, AGAIN, 24% THAT NO VOTE IS ABOUT A QUARTER, RIGHT? IN ALL CASES THAT WE'VE SEEN HERE, IT'S ABOUT A QUARTER GIVE OR TAKE A UNSURE, RELATIVELY LOW NUMBER, BUT VERY STRONG SUPPORT FOR THE 1 CENT.
NOW I WANT TO GO IN THE LAST FEW SLIDES.
I WANT TO, I WANT TO, UH, CONCLUDE MY PART OF THE PRESENTATION ON GO INTO THE DATA A LITTLE DEEPER, NOT, NOT TOO DEEP, BUT A LITTLE DEEPER.
KNOWING THAT ALL FUNDS GENERATED WOULD STAY LOCAL FOR LOCAL CONTROL BY THE CITY COUNCIL IN THE BUDGETING PROCESS.
BUT LOOK ON THE OTHER SIDE WHERE THOSE WHO INITIALLY VOTED NO NOW 37.5% OF THOSE WHO INITIALLY VOTED NO SAID I'LL VOTE.
AND THEN THE UNSURE CAME OUT AND THAT WAS 40.
IS THAT 46% THAT CAME OVER WITH THAT STIPULATION THAT IT STAYED LOCAL.
IF THIS, IF WE HAD AN INDEPENDENT CITIZENS OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE AND REGULAR AUDITS, UM, YOU HAVE 65% ALSO THAT ARE WILLING TO SUPPORT IT AGAIN, 34% OF THOSE WHO ORIGINALLY OPPOSED IT NOW CAME ON BOARD AND 56% WHO WERE UNSURE ABOUT WHETHER THEY WOULD SUPPORT IT CAME ON BOARD, KNOWING THAT THERE WOULD BE CITIZEN, INDEPENDENT CITIZEN OVERSIGHT.
IF WE'RE GOING TO USE THE MONEY, IF THE COUNCIL DETERMINES TO USE THE MONEY TO IMPROVE NEIGHBORHOODS, THIS WOULD BE FILLING POTHOLES AND STREETLIGHTS AND SIDEWALKS, WHICH WE'VE DISCUSSED.
WE HAVE A LARGE DEFERRED MAINTENANCE ISSUE WITH OUR SIDEWALKS.
UM, IF IT WAS, IF IT, IF THE MONEY WOULD BE USED TO IMPROVE NEIGHBORHOODS, WHERE ARE WE WERE 63% APPROVAL.
UH, AND THEN THE PEOPLE WHO VOTED NO, COME ON 37 AND A HALF PERCENT OF THOSE PEOPLE COME ON.
AND THEN 58% OF THE UNSURE COME ON, KNOWING THAT THAT WOULD BE A PRIORITY.
AND THEN 57% ARE LIKELY TO VOTE.
KNOWING THAT THE CITY WILL MAINTAIN AND PRIORITIZE POLICE SERVICES AT A HIGH LEVEL.
YOU PEEL OFF 37.1% OF THE NOSE WITH THAT.
AND 46% OF THE UNSURES NOW COME OVER, UH, KNOWING THAT POLICE SERVICES WILL BE A PRIORITY.
AND THAT CONCLUDES MY PART OF THE PRESENTATION.
AND BEFORE WE GO TO PART TWO WITH GRAHAM, I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE DATA AND THE POLLING.
I THINK YOU ANSWERED ALL THE QUESTIONS.
SO, UM, SO, SO WHAT, WE HAVE SOME DATA IN FRONT OF US, RIGHT? SO WHAT DO WE DO WITH THAT DATA? SO WE STARTED LOOKING AT IT AND GOING, OKAY, THESE ARE BETTER NUMBERS THAN WE ANTICIPATED.
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I THINK A LOT OF IT HAS TO DO WITH THE WORK ONE, THE UNITY OF THE CITY COUNCIL, I THINK IS A REALLY BIG FACTOR.I THINK THE WORK THAT WE HAVE DONE AT THE STAFF LEVEL, UM, I THINK WE'RE, WE'VE BEEN MADE, WE'VE MADE A CONCERTED EFFORT TO SHOW THAT WE'RE ADDING VALUE TO THE COMMUNITY.
SO I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE AT PLAY THAT HAVE SORT OF HELPED US GET TO THIS POINT, WHICH, UM, BUT WE, I WAS SHOCKED BY THE NUMBERS AS WELL.
SO IF WE WERE TO DO A SALES TAX MEASURE, WHEN WOULD BE THE IDEAL TIME TO DO IT.
SO WE STARTED LOOKING AT THE UPCOMING ELECTIONS.
WE HAVE 20, 24, IT'S A PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION LIKELY TO BE PRETTY VOLATILE.
WE KNOW THAT MTS IS GOING TO HAVE A SALES TAX MEASURE.
SANDAG WILL HAVE A SALES TAX MEASURE.
WE'RE HEARING THAT QUEER MECCA GROSSMONT COLLEGE, UM, DISTRICT WILL HAVE A PROPERTY TAX MEASURE.
THERE COULD BE ANOTHER LOCAL SCHOOL TAX MEASURE ON THAT.
SO THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF TAX MEASURES IN 2024 WITH THE VOLATILE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION.
UM, I HAVE THE ASSUMPTION THAT A LOT OF THOSE TAX MEASURES WILL FAIL IN 2024, GIVEN THE MOOD OF THE VOTERS.
AND THIS IS COMPLETE SPECULATION.
THERE'S NO DATA TO BACK THIS UP, BUT JUST TALKING TO PEOPLE AND KIND OF, UM, PUTTING MY PULSE ON, ON WHERE WE'RE AT.
I THINK, UH, WITH ALL THOSE FAILURES, I THINK THOSE SAME TAX MEASURES THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE PRESENTED IN 24 WILL LIKELY REAPPEAR IN 2026.
AND SO WE'D HAVE A VERY CROWDED BALLOT.
20, 28 WOULD BE LITERALLY LESS THAN TWO MONTHS BEFORE THE, THE PROP J WERE TO EXPIRE.
AND IF STAFF RECOMMENDED 20, 28, YOU SHOULD PROBABLY LET US GO RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE REALLY BAD, UH, CITY MANAGING.
SO THAT LEAVES US WITH 2022 IT'S MONTHS AWAY.
WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY TIME TO DIALOGUE THIS WITH THE COMMUNITY, BUT GIVEN THE POLLING NUMBERS, GIVEN THE ALTERNATIVES FOR UPCOMING ELECTION CYCLES, WE ACTUALLY THINK THAT WE WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THE CITY COUNCIL CONSIDER 2022 AS A PLAUSIBLE DATE.
IT ALSO GIVES THE COMMUNITY A CHANCE TO WEIGH IN.
AND IF THE COMMUNITY REJECTS IT, IT GIVES THE COUNCIL PLENTY OF RUNWAY TO RECONSIDER WHAT WENT WRONG.
UM, AND DO WE NEED TO MODIFY WHAT WE'RE ASKING OF THE COMMUNITY? SO WE ALSO LOOKED AT THE QUESTION OF HOW MUCH, OF COURSE, ZERO.
AND YOU SAW THE DIRE SITUATION OF WHAT WOULD OCCUR IF, UM, PROP J WERE NOT EXTENDED.
UH, THE OTHER ALTERNATIVE IS JUST TO REPLACE PROP J UH, I'LL TALK ABOUT HOW I THINK STAFF HAS DONE A GOOD JOB AT PRESENTING BALANCED BUDGETS OVER THE YEARS, BUT I THINK IT HAS BEEN DONE BY THINNING THE ORGANIZATION.
AND I AM WORRIED THAT AT SOME POINT, UH, WE'RE BECOMING, UH, ANEMIC AND, UM, POTENTIALLY NOT ABLE TO FULFILL SOME CORE RESPONSIBILITIES.
I'LL SHARE SOME DATA WITH YOU IN A FEW SLIDES.
AND THE OTHER ALTERNATIVE IS 1%.
NOW, IF THE COUNCIL OPTED FOR A HALF A CENT SALES TAX MEASURE, WE WOULD, I THINK THAT WOULD AT LEAST GET US THROUGH AND WE COULD CONTINUE TO LIMP ALONG AND CONTINUE TO DO AN AMAZING JOB WITH WHAT WE HAVE.
BUT I DO WORRY THAT OUR COMMUNITY IS ASKING US TO DO MORE.
I THINK THERE'S AN EXPECTATION THAT WE DO MORE IN HOMELESSNESS, THAT WE DO MORE IN CRIME PREVENTION AND WITH THE HALF CENT SALES TAX MEASURE MORE CANNOT BE ACCOMPLISHED BECAUSE WE'VE ALREADY CUT SO MUCH, SO MANY, SO MANY PLACES.
SO, UM, WITH A 1 CENT SALES TAX MEASURE, IT WOULD ALLOW US TO ADDRESS HOMELESSNESS IN A REALLY EFFECTIVE WAY.
YOU CAN SEE, THIS IS JUST ONE, THIS IS ONE TENT ON A SIDEWALK, AND YOU CAN SEE HOW MUCH STAFF AND RESOURCES GOES INTO ONE TENT.
I KNOW THAT YOU RECEIVED COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC.
I SEE THE COMMENTS ON FACEBOOK COMPLAINING THAT THEY SEE A HOMELESS ENCAMPMENT ON A SIDEWALK AND POLICE OFFICER AFTER POLICE OFFICER DRIVING BY.
I DON'T THINK THE PUBLIC REALIZES THAT IN ORDER FOR A POLICE OFFICER TO, TO DEAL WITH THAT SITUATION, THAT'S A MINIMUM OF AN HOUR, IF NOT AN HOUR AND A HALF.
AND IF THEY WANT RESOURCES, IT'S A TWO HOUR INVESTMENT AND WE HAVE NO POLICE OFFICERS IN THE CITY THAT HAVE THE TIME, UM, TO JUST SPEND THAT MUCH WITH THE HOMELESS.
UM, BECAUSE THEY'RE RUNNING FROM CALL TO CALL.
NOW WE DO HAVE A SPECIAL UNIT THAT FOCUSES ON QUALITY OF LIFE ISSUES AND HOMELESS.
SO WE'VE, WE'VE ASSIGNED THOSE AND ONLY THOSE POLICE OFFICERS TO DEAL WITH THAT SITUATION.
OTHERWISE WE WOULD NEVER, WE WOULD STOP POLICING IF EVERY POLICE OFFICER WERE TO STOP AND ADDRESS A HOMELESS ENCAMPMENT WITH A 1 CENT SALES TAX MEASURE, WE WOULD HAVE THE RESOURCES TO ADDRESS THE ENCAMPMENTS.
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MORE FIRE SERVICES AND WE KNOW, WE KNOW, AND I'LL SHOW YOU SOME DATA WHERE WE'RE REALLY THIN IN THIS AREA.LET ME, LET ME SHOW SOME DATA, I THINK IS IMPORTANT TO RECOGNIZE THERE'S A LOT ON THIS TABLE.
I APOLOGIZE IF YOU WANT TO JUST FOLLOW, UM, WITH EACH ROW AT EACH TIME.
SO I LOOKED AT THE NUMBER OF OFFICERS WE HAVE PER THOUSAND RESIDENTS IN THE CITY.
WE HAVE 1.2 OFFICERS PER THOUSAND RESIDENTS.
THAT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE THAT BIG OF A DIFFERENCE.
BUT IF YOU LOOK AT HOW MUCH CRIME WE HAVE, THIS IS FBI INDEXED CRIME, NOT REPORTS FOR SERVICE, NOT HOMELESS CALLS.
THESE ARE FBI CATEGORIZED CRIME, AND WE HAVE 26.7, UH, CRIMES REPORTED PER THOUSAND RESIDENTS OR RESTS.
UM, AND THE COUNTY AVERAGE IS 21.4.
THAT'S WE, WE HAVE 25% MORE CRIME THAN THE COUNTY AVERAGE.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE CRIME THAT EACH OFFICER ADDRESSES IN A GIVEN YEAR, 30%, OUR OFFICER 30% MORE BUSY, SO WE'RE DOING MORE, A LOT MORE WITH LESS STAFFING THAN OTHER COMMUNITIES.
UM, LOOKING AT OUR FIRE PERSONNEL IS EVEN MORE DRAMATIC.
UM, WE HAVE 30% LESS STAFFING PER CAPITA THEN, UM, THE REST OF THE COUNTY, UH, OUR FIRE CALLS FOR SERVICE ARE 31% MORE.
WE HAVE FAR MORE CALLS FOR SERVICE THAN THE AVERAGE CITY IN OUR COUNTY.
SO THAT RESULTS IN THE AVERAGE CALL PER FIRE PERSONNEL, 80% MORE.
SO WE HAVE, WE HAVE SOME STATIONS THAT ARE, ARE RESPONDING TO THE MORE THAN 4,000 CALLS IN A YEAR.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE CALL RATES, UH, PER CITY, UM, THE NEXT HIGHEST IS ABOUT A THOUSAND LESS PER YEAR.
SO WE'RE RESPONDING AND THAT'S THE NEXT HIGHEST, BUT THAT'S NOT EVEN THE AVERAGE.
THE NEXT HIGHEST IS GOING TO A THOUSAND CALLS, LESS CITY COUNCIL.
WE DESPERATELY NEED MORE POLICE OFFICERS.
I THINK THE COUNCIL MAKING THE DECISION TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF BRINGING ON LATERALS FROM SAN DIEGO AND OVER AT HIRING BY 10 OFFICERS HAS DONE TRUMP, TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF WORK, UM, AND IS YIELDING TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF RESULTS FOR OUR COMMUNITY FOR THE FIRST TIME.
AND IN, I DON'T KNOW IF EVER, OR FOR MANY, MANY YEARS, I'M LOOKING TO THE CHIEF.
WE ACTUALLY HAVE AN OFFICER DEDICATED NOW TO THE REGIONAL TERRORISM TASK FORCE.
WE'VE NEVER BEEN ABLE TO DO THAT.
WE DON'T HAVE THE STAFFING TO DO THAT.
UH, THERE'S A LOT OF TASKFORCE THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO BE INVOLVED WITH, SO WE CAN BE A MORE OF A REGIONAL PLAYER, BUT WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE STAFFING LEVELS TO DO THAT WHEN WE ARE, WHEN WE'RE SO BUSY.
SO THIS WOULD ALLOW US TO BE MORE ENGAGED, MORE PROACTIVE, MORE EFFECTIVE AT MEETING THE DEMANDS OF OUR COMMUNITY.
A 1 CENT SALES TAX MEASURE WOULD ALSO ALLOW US TO MAKE COMMUNITY IMPROVEMENTS, MORE PAVING, MORE SIDEWALK REPLACEMENT, AND, UM, INSTALLATION, UM, MORE PARK DEVELOPMENT OR PARK IMPROVEMENTS.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, THAT WE'VE TALKED TO COUNCIL MEMBERS ABOUT, AND I DON'T THINK THE PUBLIC AND, AND MOST POLICYMAKERS IN, IN OUR COUNTY KNOW THIS, BUT NOT EVERY CITY RECEIVES THE SAME AMOUNT OF PROPERTY TAX PER ON A, ON A PERCENTAGE BASIS.
SO AS YOU KNOW, PROPOSITION 13 CAPPED HOW MUCH A HOMEOWNER CAN PAY OR A PROPERTY OWNER CAN PAY IN TERMS OF ITS BASE PROPERTY TAX BASE.
IT'S 1% OF THE ASSESSED VALUATION CITIES LIKE CORNADO AND ENCINITAS AND OCEANSIDE RECEIVED BETWEEN 30 AND 24% OF THAT PIECE OF THAT PIE.
SAN MARCOS GETS 9% VISTA GETS 10%.
IF WE RECEIVED IN TERMS OF OUR SHARE OF THE PIE, THE SAME AMOUNT THAT ENCINITAS RECEIVES, WE WOULDN'T BE TALKING TO YOU ABOUT ANOTHER HALF CENT SALES TAX, BECAUSE OUR SHARE WOULD ACTUALLY EQUAL $13 MILLION.
AND SO, UM, WE'RE, WE'RE PLAYING AT A DISADVANTAGE.
WE'RE TRYING TO COMPETE WITH OTHER CITIES THAT HAVE FAR MORE RESOURCES, NOT BECAUSE THEY'RE ALONG THE COAST JUST, BUT BECAUSE THEY HAVE A BIGGER SHARE OF THE PIE THAN WE RECEIVE.
AND SO THAT'S A CHALLENGE THAT WE HAVE.
WE ALSO HAVE HAD A POLICY AND, AND, UM, AS, AS A PRO DEVELOPMENT CITY MANAGER, I LOVE IT.
WE'RE ONE OF THE ONLY CITIES IN THE COUNTY, OR IF NOT THE ONLY CITY IN THE COUNTY THAT HAS NO DEVELOPER IMPACT FEES.
AND SO, UM, I THINK AT SOME POINT THERE'S NO WAY TO CONTINUE TO, UM, UPGRADE THE INFRASTRUCTURE WITHOUT THOSE, UNLESS WE HAVE ANOTHER FINANCING SOURCE FOR THOSE, UM, COSTS.
SO WE ALSO LOOKED AT SOME OF THE SALES TAX RATES AND OTHER CITIES, AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S CURRENTLY EIGHT CITIES THAT EITHER HAVE BETWEEN A HALF A CENT LIKE ALCOHOL AND A 1 CENT AS THE FOUR CITIES IDENTIFIED
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IN THE SLIDE.UH, NOTE THAT SALANA BEACH, UM, CITY COUNCIL JUST PUT A 1 CENT SALES TAX MEASURE ON ITS BALLOT TO GO NOVEMBER 20, 22 AND ESCONDIDO PUT A THREE QUARTER SENTENCE SALES TAX MEASURE, UM, THAT WILL BE GOING INTO THE NOVEMBER BALLOT.
SO, UH, IF THOSE WERE TO PASS, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY WILL, IF THEY DO PASS.
THAT WOULD MEAN OVER HALF THE CITIES IN SAN DIEGO COUNTY HAVE SOME SORT OF AUGMENTED AUGMENTED SALES TAX MEASURE.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS IMPORTANT TO STAFF, UM, PARTLY BECAUSE THINK IT'S GOOD GOVERNMENT, UH, BUT ALSO RESONATED STRONGLY WITH THE POLLING DATA IS THERE NEEDS TO BE GOOD TAXPAYER SAFEGUARDS.
AND SO, UM, THE ORDINANCE THAT STAFF HAS DRAFTED AS BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING INCLUDES A CITIZENS OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE.
IT SPECIFICALLY CALLS OUT A REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE SAN DIEGO TAXPAYERS ASSOCIATION.
IT SPECIFICALLY CALLS OUT A REPRESENTATIVE FROM A LOCAL BUSINESS ORGANIZATION.
I WOULD RECOMMEND THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE.
UM, IT ALSO RECOMMENDS THAT THERE'D BE THREE RESIDENTS OF ALCOHOL THAT ARE SERVING ON THAT COMMITTEE AND IT CALLS FOR ONE, AT LEAST ONE OF THEM TO HAVE SOME SORT OF FINANCE, ACCOUNTING AUDITING EXPERIENCE.
SO THEY CAN ADD SOME VALUE TO THAT COMMITTEE AND GIVE SOME COUNSEL TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
UM, ALSO STAFF'S RECOMMENDING THAT THE TERM BE UPON EXPIRATION OF THE VOTERS OVERTURNING IT, UM, THAT SEEMED TO PULL A LITTLE STRONGER STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND A 1 CENT OR 1% SALES TAX.
AND ONE PROVISION THAT WE HAVE INCLUDED IN THE SALES IN THIS ORDINANCE, WHICH WE THINK IS RARE BECAUSE WE COULDN'T FIND ANY SAMPLE LANGUAGE, UM, PERHAPS WHERE THE FIRST IN THE STATE, I CAN'T SAY THAT FOR SURE, BUT THERE'S A PROVISION THAT'S IN THERE THAT ALLOWS THE COUNCIL, UM, UPON A UNION MAN UNANIMOUS VOTE TO ACTUALLY SUSPEND OR REDUCE THE SALES TAX ANY GIVEN YEAR, AS YOU GO THROUGH THE BUDGET PROCESS AND YOU GO, YOU KNOW, WHAT SALES TAX IS DOING BETTER THAN WE THOUGHT THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA HAS FIXED ITS HOMELESS CRISIS.
UH, THEY FIGURED OUT THAT, UM, CRIME IS BAD AND THAT WE SHOULD REINSTATE ALL THE PROPOSITIONS THAT WERE, ARE, UM, OR UNDO A LOT OF THE PROPOSITIONS THAT WENT INTO EFFECT.
AND MAYBE WE DON'T NEED THAT EXTRA HALF CENT SALES TAX.
THE COUNCIL HAS POWER TO SUSPEND THAT ANY GIVEN YEAR AND TO BRING THAT BACK WITHOUT THE VOTER, WITHOUT VOTER APPROVAL, WHICH GIVES, UM, A LOT OF ACCOUNTABILITY TO THE TAXPAYERS.
SO, UM, WITH THAT STAFF IS RECOMMENDING FOUR THINGS.
ONE IS A RESOLUTION THAT'S BEFORE YOU, IT'S THE FIRST RESOLUTION.
IT CALLS FOR THE ACTUAL ELECTION OF THE ORDINANCE THAT IS ALSO INCLUDED FOR NOVEMBER 8TH, 2022.
UM, IT ALSO PRESENTS A DRAFT ORDINANCE THAT INCLUDES ALL THE PROVISIONS THAT W THAT I JUST OUTLINED.
UM, MR. FOLEY IN A MINUTE, WE'LL TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE CHANGES.
THERE'S A, A MODIFIED VERSION OF THAT ORDINANCE ON YOUR, ON THE DIASTAT THAT HE CAN EXPLAIN.
UM, IT ALSO INCLUDES A RESOLUTION THAT ALTHOUGH THIS COUNCIL CAN NOT TIE THE HANDS OF FUTURE CITY COUNCILS, THAT IDENTITY AND IDENTIFIES AS A POLICY DOCUMENT, WHAT IS IMPORTANT TO THE CITY COUNCIL AND HOW YOU INTEND, UM, TO PRIORITIZE THE FUNDS.
AND IT'S SPECIFICALLY MENTIONED, I CAN PULL THAT UP.
UM, LAW ENFORCEMENT, ABATING, HOMELESS ENCAMPMENTS, HOMELESS INTERVENTION EFFORTS, EXPANDING FIRE EMS SERVICES, INCREASING FUNDING FOR ROADS ENHANCING PARKS AND OTHER MUNICIPAL SERVICES.
UH, I THINK THIS IS A VALUABLE TOOL BECAUSE I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT IF THIS WERE TO BE ADOPTED BY THE COUNCIL, UM, THAT THE PUBLIC UNDERSTAND HOW THESE FUNDS ARE GOING TO BE USED.
THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE USED FOR, UM, BUSINESS TRIPS, AND THEY'RE NOT GOING TO USE FOR PARTIES OR STEAKS AT EXPENSIVE RESTAURANTS.
THESE ARE, ARE FOR SERVICES THAT ARE BEING DEMANDED BY THE COMMUNITY.
AND THEN FINALLY, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THE COUNCIL ALLOCATE $150,000 FOR A VERY ROBUST COMMUNITY INFORMATION PROGRAM.
AS YOU KNOW, CITIES CAN NOT CAMPAIGN, WE CAN NOT ENDORSE ONCE THE COUNCIL WERE TO MAKE A DECISION TONIGHT.
AND IF THAT DECISION WERE TO PLACE IT ON THE BALLOT, WE AS A CITY GOVERNMENT CANNOT ENDORSE ONE POSITION OR THE OTHER, BUT WE CAN PROVIDE INFORMATION.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UM, IN TALKING TO THE OWNERS OF DEALERSHIPS, UM, ONE OF THE CONCERNS IS THAT A LOT OF MEMBERS OF OUR PUBLIC DON'T REALIZE HOW SALES TAX WORKS.
AND SO, UM, AND I KNOW YOU ALL KNOW THAT, BUT WHEN YOU PURCHASE A CAR, IT'S NOT WHAT THE LOCAL SALES TAXES, IT'S WHAT THE SALES TAX IS IN
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YOUR JURISDICTION, WHERE YOU RESIDE.AND SO, UH, THE DEALERSHIP SAID THAT THAT A LOT OF CONSUMERS LOOK TO SEE WHO HAS THE LOWEST RATE, AND THEN THEY GO THERE.
AND IF SAN DIEGO HAS A LOWER RATE THAN NATIONAL CITY, THEY'LL GO TO SAN DIEGO OVER NATIONAL CITY.
BUT THE REALITY IS WHEREVER YOU LIVE, WILL DICTATE WHAT YOUR SALES TAXES.
UM, AND SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO THE DEALERSHIPS WHO MAKE SUCH A BIG COMPONENT OF OUR SALES TAX TO DO A LOT OF EDUCATION IN THIS AREA.
AND I THINK THERE'S SOME OTHER AREAS OF EDUCATION WE CAN PROVIDE.
SO WITH THAT, UH, VINCE OR I, OR MR. VIEGAS ARE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT, UM, WHAT'S BEING PRESENTED TONIGHT AND, UH, STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND MOVING FORWARD WITH THESE FOUR RECOMMENDATIONS.
MR. MITCHELL MENTIONED THAT I HAD HANDED OUT A SLIGHTLY CHANGED ORDINANCE.
THE ONLY TWO CHANGES ARE ADDING THE LANGUAGE, THE PEOPLE OF THE CITY OF ALCOA DO ORDAIN BECAUSE IT IS AN INITIATIVE MEASURE B BEING PLACED ON THE BALLOT, UH, POTENTIALLY BY THE CITY COUNCIL, BUT IT HAS BECOME THE CITIZENS LAWS, THE PEOPLE'S LAW, NOT, NOT, UH, THE CITY COUNCILS.
AND THEN THE LAST IS THE EFFECTIVE DATE.
THE EFFECTIVE DATE FOR MOST MEASURES GOES INTO EFFECT, UH, 10 DAYS AFTER THE CERTIFICATION OF THE ELECTION.
BUT BECAUSE WE ARE GETTING APPROVAL FROM THE VOTERS ASKING, I SHOULD SAY, APPROVAL OF THE VOTERS TO ADOPT THE ORDINANCE THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT, UH, WHERE WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A, WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A FIRST READING INTRODUCTION AND THEN A SECOND READING AND ADOPTION.
AND WE WOULD TAKE IT TO THE 30 DAY REFERENDUM PROVISION AFTER THAT.
SO VARYING QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT, PLEASE LET ME KNOW.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, GENTLEMEN.
UM, WHILE THIS IS STILL FRESH IN EVERYONE'S MIND FOR THOSE WHO ARE LISTENING IN THE PUBLIC, GO BACK TO THE CAR ANALOGY AND THE CORTEX.
UM, I HEAR A LOT OF BUZZ OF, I GO TO CNT BECAUSE THEY HAVE LESS TAXES THERE.
WHAT IS THE TAX RATE IN SANTI SINCE THEY CAN'T ASK? GENERALLY THEY DON'T ASK US WHERE WE LIVE, SO THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE CHARGING THE TAX RATE FOR ALCOHOL.
SO, UM, WELL SANTI DOES NOT HAVE AN ADDITIONAL SALE SEX, SO THEY DON'T HAVE A SALES TAX MEASURE.
LIKE WHAT SEVEN AND THREE QUARTERS.
SO THE THING THAT I, I, HOWEVER HAVING SAID THAT IF, IF THERE WAS A, IF FOR EXAMPLE, THERE'S A TOYOTA USED CAR DEALERSHIP IN SANTI.
IF YOU, IF AN ALCOHOL AND RESIDENT WERE TO GO BUY A CAR THERE, THEY WOULD PAY OUR SALES, SALES TAX RATES.
RIGHT? SO I THINK ONE THING THAT THE PUBLIC NEEDS TO UNDERSTAND IS, OKAY, YOU GO BUY YOUR GROCERIES IN SANTI BECAUSE THEY HAVE LOWER TAXES, UM, OR THEIR, YOU KNOW, THEIR TAX RATE IS LOWER, BUT THAT DOESN'T IMPROVE OUR CITY.
IT GIVES CNT THAT MONEY AND CNT CAN IMPROVE CNT, BUT EVERYONE WANTS US TO IMPROVE ALCOHOL.
AND THIS TAXES IS FOR ALCOHOL AND IT'S FOR IMPROVING OUR STREETS, OUR S OUR SIDEWALKS, UH, SEWERS, WHATEVER IT IS.
AND SO I THINK THAT'S KIND OF IMPORTANT WHEN WE EDUCATE THE PUBLIC.
IT'S LIKE, YOU WANT YOUR COMMUNITY BETTER THAN SUPPORT YOUR COMMUNITY SHOP AND ALCOHOL BY YOUR RESTAURANTS, YOU KNOW, YOUR RESTAURANT MEALS AND ALCOHOL, UM, AND, AND HELP BUILD UP THE, THE CITY.
UM, OH, I DID HAVE ONE QUESTION IF, AND I THINK YOU DID ADDRESS IT.
THE SERVICES THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WOULD BE CUT.
AND WE TALKED ABOUT THAT, THE CITY MANAGER IN A, LIKE, HOW DOES ANYONE EXPECT US TO RUN A CITY WITHOUT THOSE POSITIONS? WELL, I THINK, I THINK THE, THE MESSAGE FROM THAT IS THE ONLY WAY TO BALANCE A $13 MILLION DEFICIT WOULD BE TO CUTS ACROSS THE BOARD, INCLUDING THE PUBLIC SAFETY.
THERE'S NO WAY YOU CAN SURVIVE WITHOUT AN HR DEPARTMENT OR A FINANCE DEPARTMENT.
SO YOU WOULD HAVE TO EXP YOU WOULD HAVE TO RECOMMEND, I WOULD HAVE TO RECOMMEND CUTS TO PUBLIC SAFETY AS WELL.
I THINK THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS, UM, THAT I HAVE.
AND I, I THINK THIS IS A GREAT IDEA.
UH, GRAHAM PUBLIC SAFETY IS ABOUT 70% OF OUR BUDGET, ISN'T IT? YES.
AND WHAT'S THE FIRE DEPARTMENT BUDGET.
DO YOU REMEMBER THAT DOLLAR AMOUNT, MR. SHANE IS LOOKING IT UP? I MEAN, THE, THE COMBINATION OF FIRE AND POLICE IS
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ABOUT 70% AND I WAS LOOKING AT ACTUALLY SANDAG PUTS OUT SOME NUMBERS THAT SHOWS, UM, PER CAPITA SPENDING.WE ACTUALLY HAVE ONE OF THE HIGHEST PER CAPITA SPENDING ON A POLICE DEPARTMENT YET, YET WE HAVE LOWER NUMBER OF POLICE OFFICERS PER CAPITA.
AND IT'S NOT BECAUSE WE'RE PAYING OUR POLICE OFFICERS ABOVE AVERAGE.
THEY'RE ACTUALLY MAKING ABOUT AVERAGE RIGHT NOW.
SO IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST HOW MUCH BUSINESS WE HAVE IN OUR COMMUNITY.
MY RECOLLECTION WAS THAT THE PROP J ACTUALLY COVERED THE FIRE DEPARTMENT BUDGET.
I MEAN, AND THAT'S HOW IMPORTANT PROP J IS.
IT MAYBE NOT QUITE AS MUCH ANYMORE, BUT YEAH.
AND LET ME JUST SAY WHILE MR. SHANE IS, IS TRYING TO GATHER SOME INFORMATION.
I WOULD JUST POINT OUT AND I, SHOULD'VE PROBABLY INCLUDED THIS IS THAT IT'S, IT'S REALLY ANOTHER $5 ON EVERY THOUSAND DOLLARS SPENT.
SO ONE, 1 CENT IS, IS BASICALLY $10 PER THOUSAND.
WELL, WE ALREADY HAVE PRODUCT J WHICH IS A HALF CENTS.
THIS WOULD BE ANOTHER FIVE, $5.
SO IT'S FIVE, $5 ON EVERY THOUSAND, UH, FIRE DEPARTMENTS, 19 MILLION.
SO PROP J IS SLOWLY NOT COVERING FIRE DEPARTMENT EXPENSES RIGHT NOW.
AND THE, THE OTHER THING, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT THERE IS VERY, VERY LITTLE, AT LEAST I KNOW THIS FROM YEARS AGO, WHAT THEY CALL LEAKAGE AND OUR SALES TAX, BECAUSE OF THE INCREASE WE DIDN'T, WE DIDN'T SEE A DROP OF PEOPLE FROM OUT OF THE CITY SHOPPING AND OUT THE HOME.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
IN FACT, UH, WE GET AN ANALYSIS.
I MEAN, WE GET A TO DATE ANALYSIS THAT SHOWS WHO ARE OUR NET GAINERS AND NET LOSERS OF SALES TAX.
OH, LEMON GROVE, FOR EXAMPLE, IS A NET LOSER BECAUSE YOU CAN'T, THEY DON'T HAVE AS MANY STORES THERE TO BUY STUFF.
SO YOU HAVE TO LEAVE LEMON GROVE TO GO BUY BASIC SOME BASIC THINGS, RIGHT.
WHERE THEY COME, THEY COME TO THE EL CONES.
SO WE ACTUALLY A LARGE PERCENTAGE OF OUR SALES TAX, AND I DON'T HAVE THAT EXACT FIGURE, BUT A LARGE PERCENTAGE OF OUR SALES TAX COMES FROM VISITORS, NON NON-RESIDENTS ARE PAYING THAT AMOUNT OF PROP J MONEY.
SO DID YOU ASK THE AUTO DEALERS, WHAT DO YOU FOLKS THINK ABOUT THIS THING UP OR DOWN? SO I SPOKE TO, UH, WE ARE, WE SPOKE, UM, BETWEEN ME AND MR. CHUTE.
WE SPOKE TO THREE INDIVIDUALS.
UH, THE THREE OF THEM REPRESENT FIVE DIFFERENT DEALERSHIPS.
UM, TWO OF THEM WERE A LITTLE MORE HESITANT AND WORRIED AND PARTLY BECAUSE OF THE PUBLIC INFORMATION AND JUST THE LACK OF UNDERSTANDING.
UM, THEY'RE CONCERNED ABOUT SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES TODAY.
I'LL BE HONEST, THAT'S A TODAY ISSUE.
UM, I'M NOT AS CONCERNED, UH, THE ONE DEALERSHIP, UH, OR THE ONE DEALERSHIP OWNER, MULTIPLE DEALERSHIPS.
HE RECOGNIZES THAT AN ORDER FOR ELKO TO IMPROVE IN ORDER TO PROVIDE THE SERVICES THAT HE NEEDS.
THERE HAS TO BE SOME SORT OF EXPENDITURE THAT GOES WITH IT BECAUSE HE RECOGNIZES THERE'S NO MAGIC WAND.
HIS WORDS DOES THIS, WOULD THIS JEOPARDIZE THE ATTRACTIVENESS OF ALCOHOL BEING A DEALERSHIP CITY IN YOUR OPINION? I DON'T THINK SO BECAUSE IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T PIT US AGAINST NATIONAL CITY.
WELL, THEY ALREADY HAVE A HIGHER SALES TAX THAN WE DO TO, UH, BUT IT DOESN'T PIT US AGAINST SAN DIEGO OR CARLSBAD BECAUSE IT'S WHAT, WHAT OUR RESIDENTS PAY REGARDLESS OF WHERE THEY'RE SHOPPING.
BUT I THINK WE NEED TO EDUCATE THE PUBLIC ON THAT MATTER.
YOU DON'T HAVE A SENSE OF HOW MANY PEOPLE LIVING IN ALCOHOL AND BUY CARS IN OKLAHOMA.
DO YOU, WE TRIED TO DO SOME ANALYSIS, LOOKING AT OUR SALES TAX, OUR REGULAR SALES TAX VERSUS OUR, UM, PROP J CAUSE THAT WOULD KIND OF INFLUENCE, UM, THERE'S SO MANY VARIABLES, BUT I THINK JUST BASED ON THAT, IT LOOKS LIKE 20%, MAYBE TO 30% OF THE CARS SOLD IN ALCOHOL AND ARE SOLD TO ELKO AND RESIDENTS.
BUT AGAIN, THAT'S HARD BECAUSE IT ALSO INCLUDES OWN RESIDENTS BUYING CARS IN NATIONAL CITY.
SO IT'S A DIFFICULT NUMBER TO DIVINE.
IS THIS A 50% PLUS ONE OR TWO THIRDS AND WHY? THIS IS A 50% PLUS ONE, BECAUSE THIS IS A GENERAL TAX.
THIS IS GOING TO THE GENERAL FUND TO BE USED ON WHATEVER GENERAL FUND EXPENDITURE THE COUNCIL WANTS TO USE IT FOR.
UM, WHAT TRIGGERS THE SUPER MAJORITY IS.
IF THE COUNCIL WERE TO SAY, UM, THIS SALE, THIS SALES TAX MEASURE WILL ONLY BE USED TO PAY FOR X, Y, OR Z, JUST VERY SPECIFIC THINGS, BUT THAT WOULD BE WRITTEN INTO THE ORDINANCE.
AND I THINK IT'S THE, THE REASON WHY WE WOULD RECOMMEND THE RESOLUTION, BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH IT DOESN'T LOCK THIS COUNCIL OR FUTURE COUNCILS INTO SOMETHING,
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IT IDENTIFIES AND COMMUNICATES TO THE PUBLIC, THE COMMUNITY, WHAT IS IMPORTANT TO YOU AND HOW THE MONIES WOULD BE USED.SO HOW DOES THE OVERSIGHT COMMISSION MONITOR THE COMPLIANCE IF THERE'S NO SPECIFIC, LIKE YOU CAN ONLY SPEND THE MONEY ON THIS.
SO I THINK WHAT WE WOULD DO IS WE WOULD LIKE PROP J IS AN IDENTIFIED SEPARATE REVENUE ITEMS. SO IT WOULD BE CLEARLY PROP J REVENUE.
WE WOULD LOOK AT THAT, WE'D LOOK AT OUR CURRENT EXPENDITURE PLAN.
WE'D LOOK AT WHAT NEW THINGS HAVE BEEN SPENT.
AND WE WOULD, WE WOULD, EVEN THOUGH FROM AN ACCOUNTING PERSPECTIVE, WE WOULDN'T HAVE A SEPARATE LINE ITEM LIKE THIS, THIS POLICE OFFICER FOR EXAMPLE, IS BEING PAID WITH PROP.
AND W W WE'RE WE'RE ASSUMING IT'S GONNA BE PROP P IS, IS A PROP P FUNDED POSITION.
IT WON'T BE THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL, BUT WE CAN PRESENT THAT KIND OF INFORMATION TO GIVE THE OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE A SENSE.
AND, AND ULTIMATELY THEY'RE THERE TO SEE, IS THERE TOO MUCH MONEY? IS THERE, DO YOU HAVE ENOUGH MONEY? ARE YOU, ARE YOU SOCKING AWAY A $10 MILLION INTO RESERVES EVERY YEAR? IF THAT'S THE CASE I WOULD RECOMMEND TO THEM THAT THEY RECOMMEND TO YOU THAT IT'S PROBABLY TIME TO SUSPEND THE SALES TAX MEASURE.
SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS YOU CAN THROTTLE THIS ANYWHERE BETWEEN A HALF A CENT AND A CENT ON ANY GIVEN YEAR.
YOU COULD ACTUALLY THROTTLE IT DOWN TO ZERO.
YOU COULD HAVE A SALES TAX HOLIDAY.
UH, THE PROPERTY LET'S GO BACK TO THE STAFFING, UH, PER THOUSAND TABLE, JUST TO, UH, CLARIFY OR SURE.
THE FIRE PERSONNEL CALLS, UH, T TALK TO ME ABOUT AMR AND OUR CONTRACT.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE LOOKING AT APPLES AND APPLES WITH OTHER, YEAH, IT IS DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND BECAUSE, UM, WE CONTRACT OUT WITH AMR. SO WE WOULDN'T HAVE THOSE STAFF MEMBERS, BUT WE'LL USE ESCONDIDA AS AN EXAMPLE, THEY HAVE, THEY'D RUN THEIR OWN STAFF ON THEIR, ON THEIR AMBULANCES.
THEY STILL HAVE TO RUN A STAFF IN A FIRE ENGINE.
WE'RE STILL RUNNING AMR AND A FIRE ENGINE.
SO THE, THE NUMBER OF CALLS PER STAFF OR PER ENGINE COMPANY, OR PER STATION ARE STILL GOOD APPLES TO APPLES COMPARISON.
WE, WE HA MR. SWEENEY OR T SWEENEY PROVIDED THAT TO ME.
IT DIDN'T REALLY FIT IN THE TABLE, BUT WE'RE STILL REALLY HIGH, BUT THERE, THERE IS SOME YOU'RE RIGHT, MR. GLOBAL, THESE ARE NOT ALL APPLE TO APPLE COMPARISONS BECAUSE THERE IS SOME OF THAT.
UM, BUT WE TRY TO FACTOR AS MUCH OF THE CONTRACTED SERVICES OUT AS POSSIBLE.
I GUESS WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY, IS THERE SOME INTEGRITY IN THE NUMBERS BECAUSE, UH, YOU COULD SAY FIRE PERSONNEL PER THOUSAND WERE LOWER THAN THE COUNTY AVERAGE, BUT WHEN YOU INCLUDE THIS AND THAT, WHERE WE ARE LOOKING AT APPLES AND APPLES, AREN'T WE OKAY.
UH, YOU KNOW, A BIG QUESTION THE PUBLIC'S GOING TO HAVE IS WHAT MY PARENTS ASKED ME WHEN I WAS A TEENAGER AND I GOT AN ALLOWANCE.
I GOT $15 A MONTH AND I SAID, ONE DAY, CAN I GET 20 BUCKS A MONTH? AND THEY SAID, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO GET FOR THE MONEY? AND THEY WEREN'T JUST GOING TO GIVE ME THEM.
THEY WANTED TO KNOW WHAT ARE WE GOING TO GET IN RETURN? YOU CAN IMAGINE THE PUBLIC IS GOING TO SAY, IF WE, YOU, THE MONEY, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO GET IN RETURN? BECAUSE THEIR EXPECTATIONS BASED ON THE POLLING, UH, IS WE DON'T WANT TO SEE TENTS ON THE SIDEWALKS ANYMORE.
WE DON'T WANT TO SEE MUTUAL AID COME INTO THE, FROM LAKESIDE OR SAN MIGUEL.
LET'S JUST SAY MORE RARE THAN IT IS NOW.
SO MY QUESTION IS, CAN WE HIRE ENOUGH PEOPLE TO ACCOMPLISH THESE GOALS, TO MEET THEIR EXPECTATIONS? WE THINK THAT WITH 20 ADDITIONAL POLICE OFFICERS, UH, WITH A, EITHER AN ENGINE COMPANY IN A SQUAD OR THREE SQUADS, AND THEN EXPANDING, WE CURRENTLY USE URBAN CORE, BUT IT COULD BE ANYBODY, UM, PROBABLY ADDING.
SO WE HAVE, WE HAVE A CREW RIGHT NOW.
WE WOULD RECOMMEND ACTUALLY, AND THIS IS GETTING INTO SOME WEEDS.
WE HAVEN'T SOCIALIZED ANY OF THESE IDEAS WITH THE PUBLIC WITH YOU.
BUT IF YOU WERE TO TAKE THAT URBAN CORE MODEL AND YOU WOULD HAVE A CREW FOR EVERY COUNCIL DISTRICT AND THE DOWNTOWN, UM, THE GOAL WOULD BE THAT THERE WOULD NEVER BE LITTER IN THE STREETS OF ALCOHOL.
AND IT WOULD ALLOW US TO, UM, CLEAN UP ENCAMPMENTS PRETTY QUICKLY, VERY QUICKLY.
CAUSE WE WOULD HAVE MORE THAN JUST ONE TASK FORCE ON THAT.
WE WOULD HAVE MULTIPLE TASK FORCES ON THAT.
SO IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE SAYING IT MIGHT TAKE A LITTLE WHILE TO RAMP UP TO GET 20 EXTRA OFFICERS.
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TRUE.I MEAN, LET'S, LET'S SAY, LET'S SAY THE VOTERS WERE LET'S, LET'S SAY THE VOTERS SUPPORTED, SAY THE COUNCIL PUT THIS ON THE BALLOT AND THE VOTERS SUPPORTED THIS NOVEMBER.
WE WOULD START RECRUITING NOVEMBER ONE BECAUSE IT TAKES TIME TO GET PEOPLE THROUGH A SYSTEM.
UM, YEAH, W WE, IT WOULD PROBABLY TAKE TWO, MAYBE THREE YEARS TO GET TO 20 ADDITIONAL OFFICERS.
I MEAN, W W YOU COUNCIL AUTHORIZED US TO HAVE 10 OVER HIRES.
WE'VE NEVER GOT TO MORE THAN SIX, JUST BECAUSE OF ATTRITION, UM, PEOPLE COMING, PEOPLE GOING.
SO, UM, WE WOULD HAVE TO WORK REALLY HARD AND MAYBE OFFER SOME BONUSES BONUS SIGNING INCENTIVES TO COME ON BOARD.
BUT YEAH, I WOULD TAKE A LOT OF RAMP UP TO THIS.
I, I, THAT WILL PROBABLY BE AN EXPECTATION OF THE PUBLIC IS IF WE'RE PAYING THIS MONEY THIS YEAR, WE WANT TO SEE RESULTS THIS YEAR.
AND THAT IS A CHALLENGE TO STAFF TO SAY, YOU KNOW, HOW ARE WE GOING TO GET ALL THIS DONE OF WHAT THE PUBLIC SAID, THEY WANT DONE WHAT THE EXTRA $5 A MONTH AND ALLOWANCE WILL GIVE THEM.
UM, THOSE ARE ALL MY QUESTIONS FOR NOW.
I'LL SAY THE COMMENTS FOR LATER.
UM, ONE IS, UH, TO ADDRESS, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER GOEBBELS CONCERN, I THINK WITH EXTRA POLICE OFFICERS AND EXTRA FIREFIGHTERS, THAT IT WILL MAKE ALCOHOL MORE ATTRACTIVE TO PEOPLE TRANSFERRING OVER TO OKLAHOMA DDA EXPERIENCE OFFICERS, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE WORKING THEM TO DEATH.
YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING TO BE A MORE PLEASANT PLACE TO WORK WITH WITH MORE BACKUP.
UH, THE SECOND THING IS, SO IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE POLLS SHOW US THAT 60% OF THE VOTERS WOULD VOTE FOR THAT 1% SALES TAX TODAY.
SO THAT'S WHAT THE VOTERS WANT.
THEY, THEY WANT, THEY'RE WILLING TO PAY THAT EXTRA PENNY TO GET ENHANCED POLICE, FIRE PARAMEDIC, AND THE HOMELESS CAMPS, UH, BROKEN UP.
I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S PRETTY CLEAR TO ME, SO THEY WANT THINGS TO BE BETTER.
THEY WANT THIS TO BE A CLEANER AND SAFER CITY.
THAT'S WHAT THE POLLS TELL US.
WE'RE NOT MAKING THIS UP COUNCIL MEMBER KENDRICK.
I WOULD JUST RESPOND BY, BY REITERATING NOT ONLY ARE THE, NOT ONLY ARE THE PERCENTAGES IMPRESSIVE ABOUT HOW THE VOTERS ARE RECEPTIVE TO THE TAX, BUT AGAIN, WHEN THEY WERE GIVEN AN OPEN-ENDED QUESTION AND YOU SAW OVER 80% TALK ABOUT HOMELESS WITHOUT BEING PROMPTED.
I THINK THAT THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT YOUR POINT WAS, IS THAT THEY, THEY CLEARLY ARE SAYING IN THE STRONGEST TERMS POSSIBLE TO DO MORE.
AND, AND AS WE'VE TALKED MANY, MANY TIMES IN THIS CHAMBER, MANY, MANY INITIATIVES HAVE COME BEFORE YOU, WHICH YOU FUNDED TO DO WHAT WE CAN WITH THE RESOURCES WE HAVE.
AND THEY'RE STILL BY, BY 80%, SAME DO MORE.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S SOME VERY VALUABLE POLLING INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE.
I THINK THAT'S VERY USEFUL TO YOU.
AND MY, UH, MY BELIEF IS THAT WE SPEND MORE ON THE HOMELESS AND ALL THE OTHER EAST COUNTY CITIES COMBINED.
SO THAT'S SHOWING WHERE OUR PRIORITIES ARE, BUT WE CAN ONLY, WE CAN'T SPEND, BUT WE DON'T HAVE, UH, JUST TO CLARIFY WITH THERE'S TWO WAYS FOR THE TAX TO NOT BE IN EFFECT.
IT'S EITHER BY A VOTE OF THE COUNCIL.
IS THAT RIGHT? TO SUSPEND IT AND YOU CAN THROTTLE IT UP THROTTLED DOWN, LIKE YOU WERE SAYING.
AND THEN REPEALED BY THE VOTERS.
THE, UH, LIKE ANY, ANY REV REFERENDUM WHERE, SO ON COLLECT ASSISTED INSURANCE, MITCHELL HAS PUTS IT ON THE BALLOT.
SO THOSE ARE THE TWO MECHANISMS THAT THEY CAN BE TAKEN OFF.
UM, SO THIS I'M PAUL, IT DOES, OR DOES IT, DID YOU GET MUCH DATA ON WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF THERE WAS A STRONG OPPOSITION TO THE TAX? WE, WE DID GET SOME, WE PULLED SOME, UH, SOME QUESTIONS
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THAT, UH, WERE, WERE DESIGNED TO BE NEGATIVE QUESTIONS.W IF THERE WASN'T OVERSIGHT, IF THERE, IF THERE WASN'T, UH, YOU KNOW, JUST, JUST, JUST RECEIVING, YOU KNOW, THE ANSWERS OF WHAT W UNDER WHAT CONDITIONS WOULDN'T YOU SUPPORT THE TAX, FOR EXAMPLE, IF THERE WAS NO OVERSIGHT, IF IT, YOU KNOW, WHAT WAS SOME OF THAT I ALREADY PAY WAY TOO MUCH IN TAXES, THE CITY DOESN'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING, ALL, ALL THOSE NEGATIVE THINGS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR.
THEY, THEY, THEY LAID THAT OUT.
THAT SORT OF ASSESS HOW MUCH STRENGTH THOSE HAVE, AND SURPRISINGLY, THEY, WEREN'T VERY STRONG.
AND I, AND I, AND I'VE DONE THIS BEFORE IN OTHER CITIES, AND THOSE USUALLY PULL WAY HIGHER THAN I SAW IN THIS POLL.
THE NEGATIVES THAT WE SAW ON, ON THOSE BUILT-IN QUESTIONS WERE ONLY AROUND 40%, NOT ONE NEGATIVE NEGATIVELY DESIGNED QUESTION, NOT ONE PULLED OVER 50%.
THEY WERE 44, 46, I THINK ONE WAS 48, BUT NOT ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WAS SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED TO ELICIT A NEGATIVE RESPONSE PULLED OVER 50%.
SO DO YOU HAVE ANY SENSE OF HOW MUCH OPPOSITION THERE MIGHT BE AND HOW MUCH MONEY THERE WOULD BE TO BACK UP OPPOSITES BY THAT? UH, WE DON'T KNOW.
I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE WOULD BE ANY ORGANIZED LOCAL OPPOSITION.
I SUSPECT THAT THERE WOULD BE SOME OPPOSITION FROM TAXPAYERS ASSOCIATIONS OR MAYBE A POLITICAL PARTY.
UH, WE'VE ALREADY BROUGHT THIS, WE'VE BROACHED THE TOPIC WITH THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE.
WE'D HOPE THAT THEY'D BE OUR PARTNER IN THIS.
UM, BUT W WE HAVEN'T, WE HAVEN'T BEEN COMMUNICATED BY ANY GROUP SAYING WE'RE COMING TO BATTLE.
AND HOW ABOUT RAISING MONEY FOR THE POLITICAL PART OF THE CAMPAIGN? SO, AS YOU KNOW, THE CITY CANNOT BE PART OF THAT.
SO WE SUSPECT THAT, UM, SOME OF OUR EMPLOYEE ASSOCIATIONS AND SOME OTHER, UH, GROUPS, SOME OF THE, SOME OF OUR CIVIC GROUPS, SOME OF OUR, OUR CONSULTANTS CONTRACTORS WOULD CONTRIBUTE MONEY TO THAT.
UH, IN TALKING WITH SOME CAMPAIGN FOLKS AND ESPECIALLY GIVEN, IF YOU SEE THE SORT OF HOW PEOPLE RECEIVE THEIR NEWS, IT PROBABLY WOULDN'T NEED TO BE A LOT OF MONEY SPENT ON A CAMPAIGN.
ARE THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THIS? YES, SIR.
WE RECEIVED ONE FROM PATRICK RIO, PATRICK.
UM, SO I HAVE A LOT OF SAME QUESTIONS THAT MANY OF YOU HAVE OFFERED AS WELL.
UM, I WANT TO FOCUS ON THREE THINGS.
WHY THIS AMOUNT, UM, HOW ARE WE MEASURING SUCCESS? HOW WILL WE KNOW THAT THE $5 AND ALLOWANCE IS WORTH IT, UM, AND THE OVERSIGHT AS WELL.
SO FIRST ON THE AMOUNT OF, MANY OF YOU ASKED ABOUT THE SURVEY, I'M READING THAT AS WELL.
I DO WANT TO CALL OUT THAT WHILE THE PRESENTATION MENTIONED THAT IT'S, UH, THE, THE PAULINE GUY THAT ENGLISH SPANISH AND ARABIC SPEAKER, THE FOOTNOTE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE AGENDA REPORT, UH, DOES NOTE THAT IT WAS 88% ENGLISH SPEAKERS, 10% SPANISH, AND 2% ARABIC THAT COMPARES TO THE 2020 CENSUS DATA FOR THE CITY AS 57% ENGLISH, 20% SPANISH, 20% OTHER 88% ENGLISH, 57%.
HEY, INTERRUPT YOU FOR JUST A SECOND.
CAN YOU TELL EVERYBODY WHO YOU REPRESENT AND I'M AN INDIVIDUAL CITIZEN.
UM, I ALSO DO HAPPEN TO BE ON THE PROP OH, PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITY, FINANCING OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE.
UM, BUT I'M, I AM HERE AS AN INDEPENDENT CITIZENS.
YOU JUST WERE SO ORGANIZED
UM, I SAW THIS WAS ON THE AGENDA, UM, WHEN IT CAME OUT THURSDAY OR FRIDAY.
SO I THINK THAT'S, IT'S NOT BEEN, UM, IN THE PUBLIC DISCOURSE, UM, MUCH YET AS WELL.
SO I DON'T THINK WE KNOW ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, ANY OPPOSITION, ANY DIALOGUE ON IT, IT'S BRAND NEW.
UM, THE SECOND ITEM, UM, HOW TO MEASURE SUCCESS.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SET OUT WHAT SORTS OF BENCHMARKS OR KEY PERFORMANCE INDICATORS WE WOULD BE SETTING, UM, TO KNOW WHAT THE EXTRA $12 MILLION A YEAR, UM, AND THE EXTRA INVESTMENT OF OUR TAXPAYERS WOULD BE WORTH.
IS IT MEASURED IN REPORTED CRIMES, SOLVED CRIMES, CLEARANCE RATE, NUMBER OF PERSONS EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS? AND IF SO, HOW DO WE MEASURE THAT? GIVEN THE, UM, DATA COMPLEXITIES, THE COUNCILS POINTED OUT WITH THE POINT IN TIME COUNT, UM, IS IT BASED ON RESIDENT, RESIDENT SURVEY AND FEEDBACK ABOUT THEIR, THEIR SENSE OF, OF THE SOLUTION OF THE PROBLEM? IS IT MEASURED IN NUMBER OF ARRESTS, WHICH ACCORDING TO THE, UM, THE RECENT BUDGET HAS ACTUALLY DECREASED THE LAST THREE, AT LEAST THE LAST THREE YEARS THAT WERE IN THE REPORT, UM, IN CITY REPORTED DATA.
UM, SO HOW DO WE KNOW THAT WE'RE SOLVING THE PROBLEM? UM, AND TO THE POINT ABOUT WHETHER THE 10, UM,
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WHAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE YOUR PROPOSED ASSESSED, UH, TEMPORARY, ADDITIONAL POLICE OFFICERS WITH THE GENERAL FUND ALLOCATION, POTENTIALLY AS MUCH AS 20 NEW OFFICERS.HOW DOES THAT COMPARE MAYBE IN TERMS OF OFFICERS PER CAPITA TO SAY THE CITY OF SAN DIEGO.
AND DO WE THINK THAT THEY'VE SOLVED THE HOMELESSNESS PROGRAM WITH, IS THAT THE SAME NUMBER? I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT BENCHMARK IS TOO, BUT WHAT DOES IT TAKE? IS IT 20? IS IT 25? IS IT 30? IS IT EIGHT? I DON'T KNOW.
UM, AND, AND WITH THAT, ARE THERE ALTERNATIVE METHODS TO SOLVING THE PROBLEM THAT AREN'T THIS AMOUNT OF MONEY OR THAT AREN'T NECESSARILY FOR POLICE? UM, WE'VE PURSUED THING PRE-LEASE OR FIRE? UM, WE'VE IN THE COUNCIL ADOPT THE, UH, NURSE NAVIGATOR.
GO AHEAD AND TAKE A SECOND TO WRAP IT UP.
MA'AM UM, SO ALTERNATIVE OPTIONS, UH, HOMELESSNESS PROGRAMS BEEFING THAT UP.
UM, AND THEN LASTLY, ON THE OVERSIGHT, UM, I WOULD URGE, UM, ACTUALLY TO NOT TIE THE OVERSIGHT MEMBER, UH, BOARD POSITIONS TO SPECIFIC AGENCIES, I'D THINK THAT SETS A BAD PRECEDENT FOR WHO GETS TO HAVE A SAY IN CITY AND INSTEAD, LEAVE IT OPEN TO THE COUNCIL.
SO I WOULD URGE, UM, TABLING THIS TO A SUBSEQUENT MEETING AND GATHERING FURTHER COMMUNITY DIALOGUE.
SO I TELL YOU THE PROBLEM WITH TABLING AND I, AND I TOTALLY AGREE.
I FIRST HEARD ABOUT THIS, ABOUT WHAT EIGHT DAYS AGO, MAYBE.
UH, AND, UH, I SAID, YOU'RE KIDDING ME.
WE'RE NOT, WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA DO THIS IN A FEW DAYS AND PUT IT ON THE AGENDA.
AND THE PROBLEM IS THAT, UM, IF WE DON'T GET THIS TO THE REGISTRAR VOTERS BY FRIDAY, THIS, THIS FRIDAY, UM, WE CAN'T BE ON THE BALLOT.
SO IT WAS, OH, WELL, WHY NOT JUST WAIT UNTIL NEXT TIME? WELL, I BELIEVE THAT NEXT TIME SANDAG IS GONNA HAVE A TAX, WHICH I DON'T BELIEVE WILL BE A GOOD TAX IT'S FOR $180 BILLION PROJECT THAT WE DON'T REALLY NEED.
AND THAT MTS IS GOING TO BE HIT EVERYBODY UP FOR ADDITIONAL TAX.
AND MANY, MANY OF THE, OF THE, UH, CITIES AROUND THE COUNTY ARE GOING TO BE PUSHING FOR TAXES.
AND I THINK WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.
THERE'S GOING TO BE A BACKLASH AND PEOPLE WILL JUST BLANKETLY SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT? I DON'T UNDERSTAND ANY OF THIS.
WE'RE GOING TO VOTE NO ACROSS THE BOARD.
AND, UM, FRANKLY WE HAVE TO WATCH OUT FOR THE BEST INTERESTS OF OUR CITIZENS.
SO IF WE WANT TO GIVE THE PEOPLE THE OPPORTUNITY TO VOTE ON THIS OR NOT A VOTE ON IT, HAVE THE BEST CHANCE OF SUCCESS.
WE GOT TO HAVE TO DO IT THIS TIME.
IF WE DECIDE THAT WE WANT TO DO A SALES TAX MEASURE AT ALL.
SO THAT'S AT LEAST YOU UNDERSTAND THE LOGIC BEHIND THAT.
UM, THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER QUESTIONS THAT YOU ASKED, UH, GRAHAM, YOU WANT TO TACKLE ANY OF THOSE YOU WANT TO MEET, MEET WITH HIM PRIVATELY OR NO, I THINK A COUPLE.
I THINK THEY'RE, I THINK THEY'RE GREAT.
I, I THINK THEY'RE WORTH ADDRESSING ONE.
REMEMBER THE VOTERS, THE COMPLEXION OF THE VOTE OR THE MAKEUP OF THE VOTERS DOESN'T NECESSARILY EQUAL THE MAKEUP OF THE RESIDENTS.
RIGHT? SO, UM, THESE WERE PROPENSITY VOTERS, SO THAT'S THAT'S WHO WAS BEING SURVEYED PEOPLE THAT WOULD LIKELY VOTE IN AN UPCOMING ELECTION.
SO THAT WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
AND, UH, THEY WERE ASKED WHICH LANGUAGE THEY WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK.
SO THEY MAY SPEAK ARABIC AT HOME, BUT THEY ACTUALLY PREFERRED TO DO THE SURVEY IN ENGLISH, FOR EXAMPLE.
SO THAT WOULD SKEW THE NUMBERS AND MAKE THEM NOT NECESSARILY LOOK LIKE OUR CENSUS DATA.
UM, I, I, I WAS WRITING FURIOUS NOTES ON THE TOPIC OF BENCHMARKING, CAUSE I THINK IT GETS TO MR. GLOBAL'S QUESTION ABOUT WHAT'S THE EXTRA ALLOWANCE GOING TO GET YOU? I THINK, UM, IT'S IMPORTANT THROUGH THIS.
IF THE COUNCIL WERE TO PUT THIS ON THE BALLOT BETWEEN NOW AND THE ELECTION, THAT THERE IS SOME REALLY CLEAR PLANS OF HOW THAT MONEY WOULD BE SPENT AND HOW THAT, HOW THAT WOULD BE ASSESSED AND VALUED.
AND SO, UM, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I THINK IS WORTH WORKING ON.
AND IN TERMS OF THE ALTERNATIVE METHODS, I MEAN THE ALTERNATIVE METHOD IS TO REDUCE STAFFING RIGHT, OR REDUCE COSTS IN OTHER AREAS.
COUNCIL IS ALREADY THE FIRST IN THE COUNTY TO TACKLE PENSION LIABILITY.
YOU RE YOU RESTRUCTURED PENSION LIABILITY.
SO, UH, THAT DONE CAN'T, YOU CAN'T DO THAT ANYMORE.
UM, WE HAVE THE LOWEST ADMIN STAFF PER CAPITA OF SOME OF THE BENCHMARK CITIES THAT WE RELY ON, WHICH INCLUDES OUR NEIGHBORS, THIS IN ESCONDIDO BY ABOUT HALF.
SO YOU CAN'T CUT ANY MORE ADMIN STUFF.
IT WE'RE ALREADY BARE BONES THERE.
I JUST DON'T KNOW WHERE ELSE, IF, IF THE GOAL IS TO INVEST IN THE COMMUNITY, UM, HALF CENT DOESN'T DO IT, THAT WILL ALLOW US TO CONTINUE TO SURVIVE, BUT NOT TO THRIVE.
AND, UH, LIKE ALL BUSINESSES, IT TAKES MONEY TO MAKE MONEY.
AND I THINK OUR RESIDENTS WANT TO THRIVE.
THAT'S HOW I'M READING THE POLLING DATA.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHY STAFF MADE THIS RECOMMENDATION.
AND AS THE MAYOR SAID, I LOOKED AT AT VINSON AND, UM, RYAN, WHEN THEY SAID,
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WE'RE GOING TO RECOMMEND THIS.AND I GOT VERY, I WON'T SAY ANGRY, BUT LIKE VERY NERVOUS BECAUSE IT'S NOT A LOT OF TIME TO SOCIALIZE THIS.
AND I DO THINK THERE'S A VALUE IN HAVING A LARGER COMMUNITY DISCUSSION.
HOWEVER, IF TWO YEARS FROM NOW WE WERE HAVING THE SAME CONVERSATION BEFORE THE 2024 ELECTION AND STAFF WERE TO SAY, OH, BY THE WAY, WE DID A POLL BACK IN 2022 AND THE NUMBERS WERE PHENOMENAL.
UH, YOU SHOULD FIRE US BECAUSE IT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO PRESENT THE DATA TO THE COUNCIL.
AND BASED ON THAT DATA, I THINK THE COUNCIL, I RECOMMEND STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE COUNCIL MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS FULL.
I THOUGHT YOUR QUESTIONS WERE OUTSTANDING.
AND ACTUALLY SOME OF MY POINTS TOUCH ON A LOT OF YOUR QUESTIONS.
UM, I THINK WE FOUND A CANDIDATE FOR OUR CITIZENS OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE.
IF THIS PASSES HE'S ON OUR PROP O CITIZENS, KATIE DUAL SERVE.
OH, SHOULD BE EXPIRING REALLY SOON.
SO JUST AS THAT'S ENDING, YOU CAN APPOINT HIM TO BE ON THE NEXT ONE.
YOU CAN LEAVE YOUR I'M SERIOUS.
YOU CAN LEAVE YOUR INFORMATION WITH THE CITY CLERK.
I'D LOVE TO TALK WITH YOU MORE.
UM, UH, I TOTALLY LOST MY TRAIN OF THOUGHT.
OH, TALK TO ME ABOUT YOUR OUTLOOK ON NOT HAVING A REPRESENTATIVE FROM THESE INSTITUTIONS, LIKE THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE AND THE SAN DIEGO TAXPAYERS ASSOCIATION.
BECAUSE MY FIRST THOUGHT IS THESE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND BUSINESS.
THEY UNDERSTAND TAXES, THEY UNDERSTAND BALANCING A BUDGET, AND IT'S A WATCHDOG ORGANIZATION THEY HAVE EXPERIENCED.
SO TALK TO ME ABOUT YOUR PERSPECTIVE ON THAT.
I THINK I, I WOULD, UM, ENCOURAGE THE COUNCIL TO CONSIDER, UM, QUALIFICATION OR EXPERIENCE-BASED, UH, REQUIREMENTS, NOT NECESSARILY, UM, REQUIREMENTS THAT MIGHT BE PERCEIVED AS DELEGATING THE APPOINTMENT AUTHORITY TO OUTSIDE AGENCIES.
SO FOR INSTANCE, IF WE WERE TO SAY, ONE OF THEM GETS APPOINTED BY SAN DIEGO TAXPAYERS, ONE BY THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE.
NOW THEY SORT OF THE SPECIAL INTERESTS GET TO GET THEIR SEAT AT THE TABLE.
AND THEN THREE OTHERS TEND TO WHOEVER ELSE, AS OPPOSED TO SAYING MAYBE SOMEONE WITH ACCOUNTING, AUDITING AND FINANCIAL EXPERIENCE, SOMEONE, A BUSINESS OWNER, OR A BUSINESS, UM, SOMEONE WITH THAT EXPERIENCE OF RUNNING A BUSINESS, WHETHER THEY'RE APPOINTED BY OR ENDORSED BY THE COUNCIL OR THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, FOR INSTANCE, OR NOT.
SO NOT NECESSARILY OPPOSED TO HAVING SOMEONE FROM THE SAN DIEGO COUNTY TAXPAYERS ASSOCIATION, BUT JUST NOT RESERVING THAT SEAT SOLELY FOR SOMEONE FROM THAT RIGHT.
EXPERIENCED IN A GIVEN AREA EXPERTISE, BUT NOT OUTSOURCING THIS AUTOMATIC IN.
VERY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR BEING HERE AND THANK YOU FOR SERVING ON PROPER.
APPRECIATE THAT MR. MAYOR, UM, JUST LET ME BRIEFLY ADDRESS THAT ISSUE TOO.
THIS IS NOT A DELEGATION OF AUTHORITY.
IT ONLY ALLOWS THOSE GROUPS TO NOMINATE AND THEY WOULD BE SELECTED FROM ONE OR MORE CANDIDATES NOMINATED BY THOSE TWO TYPES OF ENTITIES.
SO IT DOESN'T MEAN THEY WILL PICK SOMEBODY AND SAY, YOU HAVE TO PUT THIS PERSON ON THERE.
WE CAN REQUIRE THEM TO COME UP WITH THREE OR FOUR, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE THAT THEY WOULD NOMINATE, NOMINATE AND PICK ONE FROM EACH OF THOSE GROUPS.
MAY I ASK, JUST TO CLARIFY ON THAT THE COUNCIL WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO PICK SOMEONE WHO HAS NOT SUGGESTED BY THOSE GROUPS UNDER THE ORDINANCE.
WOULD THEY WAIT IT'S PROPOSED, IS THAT AT LEAST ONE OF THE FIVE WOULD BE SOMEBODY WHO WAS NOMINATED FROM EACH OF THOSE TWO GROUPS? AGAIN, IT DOESN'T MEAN THEY PICK THE PEOPLE THAT THE CITY COUNCIL SAYS.
IF MR. SMITH IS YOUR NOMINEE, UH, W OR THEY CANNOT INSIST ON THAT PERSON BEING IT.
SO IF THERE'S A REASON, THE COUNCIL DOES NOT PREFER THAT CANDIDATE, THEY CAN GO BACK TO HIM AND SAY, YOU HAVE TO GIVE US MORE.
AND MAYBE THE COUNCIL DECIDES WE'RE GOING TO ASK YOU TO GIVE US A SLATE OF SO MANY, UH, UH, NOMINATIONS.
AND THEN WE WILL PICK THOSE NOMINATIONS.
SO WITH PROP, OH, DO THEY, IS IT HANDLED THE SAME WAY? IS THE PROPOSAL FOR PROP P THE SAME WAY PROP I WAS HANDED PROPO IS JUST, IT'S A S UM, ALCOHOL AND RESIDENTS.
UM, ALTHOUGH THERE'S A COUPLE NUANCES OR THERE HAS TO BE AN ARCHITECT AND, OR SOME OF THE ARCHITECTS EXPERIENCE, THEY DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE A RESIDENT JUST BECAUSE WE WANTED TO EXPAND.
THAT IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT BECAUSE WE'RE BUILDING STUFF.
THERE'S A LOT OF BUILDING, IT'S BEEN MY EXPERIENCE WITH, UM, A LOT OF CITIES HAVE THIS PROVISION IN THEIR SALES TAX MEASURES OR THEIR TAX MEASURES TO HAVE THESE SORT OF DESIGNATED OR IDENTIFIED GROUPS.
TYPICALLY THESE GROUPS WILL TRY TO FIND SOMEBODY THAT'S LOCAL, AN
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ALCOHOL RESIDENT THAT IS A MEMBER OF THE SAN DIEGO TAXPAYERS ASSOCIATION, RATHER THAN SOMEONE FROM OCEANSIDE, BECAUSE THEY WANT, THEY DO WANT SOMEONE THAT HAS SOME AFFINITY FOR, AND A CONNECTION WITH.SO IN A LOT OF CASES, IT ENDS UP BEING FIVE ALCOHOL OR FIVE LOCAL JURISDICTION FOLKS.
UM, BUT IT GIVES THEM A CHANCE TO ENSURE THAT THEIR CONCERNS ARE MET AND THEY HAVE, THEY EXIST TO REALLY PROTECT THE TAXPAYER.
SO THAT THAT'S THE REASON WHY IT WAS RECOMMENDED.
WHAT'S THE SIZE OF THE PROPER COMMITTEE.
AND WHY WOULD WE DO FIVE, WHICH IS OUT OF SIMPLICITY.
I THINK THE SPEAKER IS SAYING WHEN YOU REDUCE THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN THE COMMITTEE, EACH PERSON HAS A GREATER VOICE.
AND IF YOU RESERVE TWO OF THE FIVE SPOTS OR 40% TO, TO, UH, ORGANIZATIONS WITH A SPECIFIC PURPOSE, UH, THAT UNFAIRLY WEIGHTS, THE VOICE, IF I'M READING THE SPEAKER RIGHT ON THAT, THAT'S CORRECT.
I I'D IMAGINE THAT PEOPLE AREN'T LINING UP TO JOIN A, UH, CITIZENS OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE.
SO IS THE ISSUE IS PART OF THE ISSUE.
LIKE WE JUST CAN'T FIND PEOPLE.
SO WE SOLICIT THESE ORGANIZATIONS TO SAY, HEY, WE NEED OVERSIGHT.
IS THAT PART OF THE, CAN I ANSWER THAT GRANT? SO I WAS IN THE PROPOSITION H POD OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE, THE $400 MILLION BOND BOND FOR, UM, CROSS MY NEW TO HIGH SCHOOL.
AND THE REASON THAT THEY HAD, UH, SOMEBODY FROM THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE AND SOMEBODY FROM THE TAXPAYER'S ORGANIZATION ON THERE WAS TO KIND OF ACT AS WATCHDOGS AND MAKE SURE IT WASN'T JUST A POLITICAL, UH, SITUATION.
SO IF IT'S JUST FIVE OR SEVEN RESIDENTS IN CITY COUNCIL PICKS IT, NOT, NOT THIS CITY COUNCIL WOULDN'T DO IT, BUT OTHER CITY COUNCILS MIGHT CHOOSE ALL THEIR POLITICAL FRIENDS WHO ARE GOING TO DO WHAT THEY SAY.
AND SO I THINK THAT THE CITIZENS FELT LIKE THEY HAD A BETTER SHAKE AT GETTING, GETTING A FAIR, UM, A FAIR READING.
IF THE, IF SOMEBODY FROM THE TAXPAYER'S ASSOCIATION WHO EXTENSIVELY WE WOULD HAVE NO INFLUENCE OVER, YEAH.
WAS, WAS THERE REPRESENTING THE, UM, THE INTEREST OF THE TAXPAYERS.
SO I, I THINK IT W IN MY INSTANCE, IT SEEMED TO WORK REALLY WELL.
SO I'LL ASK THE SPEAKER, WOULD YOU BE OPEN TO, INSTEAD OF BEING FIVE, BEING AT SEVEN ON THE COMMITTEE WITH TWO FOR THE CHAMBER AND, AND, UH, AND, UH, WHATEVER ORGANIZATIONS WOULD THAT BE EASIER TO STOMACH? WOULD YOU SCOFF AT IT? W W WHAT'S YOUR, WHAT'S YOUR OPINION ON THAT? IF WE INCREASE IT FROM FIVE TO SEVEN, I THINK AS, AS MR. GOBLE WAS DESCRIBING, THOUGH, IT TENDS TO BE BETTER BECAUSE IT, IT, UM, IN MY VIEW, IT BALANCES OUT IT DILUTES THE RELATIVE WEIGHT OF CERTAIN INTEREST GROUPS.
UM, I STILL WOULD, UM, NOT SUPPORT THE CONCEPT THOUGH, OF HAVING CERTAIN SLOTS RESERVED, UH, FOR THOSE SUGGESTED OR NOMINATED BY AN EXCLUSIVE LIST THAT'S FOR, YOU KNOW, THE FIRST PASSIVE, WHICH IS BY A CERTAIN GROUPS, AS OPPOSED TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC'S APPLICATIONS TO THE COUNTER.
SO IT'S A DIFFICULT SITUATION BECAUSE ON ONE HAND YOU CAN APPOINT YOUR FRIENDS.
ON THE OTHER HAND, YOU'RE APPOINTING SPECIAL INTERESTS.
SO THERE'S NEGATIVES IN ALL OF IT.
WE HAD THE CHECKS AND BALANCES OF MULTIPLE VARYING KIND OF GROUPS WITH DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT AGENDAS, I GUESS.
WELL, PATRICK, THANK YOU FOR COMING.
THANK YOU ALL VERY PROVOCATIVE AND BROUGHT SOME GOOD POINTS TO US.
AND COUNCIL, WE HAVE A PROP, OH, MEETING LATER THIS WEEK, SO EXCITING.
IS THAT USUALLY A STANDING ROOM? ONLY KIND OF THING? YEAH.
UM, HEY, LISTEN, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE IT.
I WAS ON THE PROP H OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE.
WE'RE GONNA TAKE A QUICK BREAK AND THEN WE'LL COME RIGHT BACK AND CONTINUE.
UM, ARE THERE ANY MORE PUBLIC SPEAKERS? NO MORE SPEAKERS, SIR.
WE'LL BRING IT BACK TO THE COUNCIL AND TIME FOR DISCUSSION.
I ALWAYS WAIT TO SEE IF ANYBODY ELSE WOULD GO FIRST.
UH, PATRICK'S REMARKS ABOUT KPI'S ARE, ARE ON,
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ON THE MARK.AT SOME POINT, WE GOT TO SAY REDUCED CALLS BY THIS MANY OR THIS KIND OF THING.
UH, I THINK IT'S A GOOD COMPROMISE TO SAY WE SHOULD INCREASE THE COMMITTEE TO SEVEN.
I'M A LITTLE UNCOMFORTABLE WITH FIVE, A SEVEN IS GOOD.
I DO THINK IT'S NICE FOR THE CHAMBER AND THE TAXPAYERS TO HAVE A SAY, BECAUSE I THINK THAT WILL HELP SELL THE MEASURE OR THOSE THAT WHO, WHO MIGHT WANT TO VOTE FOR IT MIGHT WANT TO SEE THAT KIND OF ACCOUNTABILITY.
UH, IF WE GO UP TO A CENT, WE WOULD BE JUST WITH, ON PAR WITH THE HALF OF THE OTHER CITIES.
IF WE STAY AT A HALF A CENT, WE WILL BE BEHIND AT LEAST HALF OF THE OTHER CITIES.
SO THAT WAS AN INTERESTING THING TO ME.
ALSO, YOU HAD A SLIDE THERE ON THE PROPERTY TAX PERCENTAGE THAT WE KEEP OUR 11% FOR US VERSUS SOME OF THESE OTHERS.
NOW, THE CITY MANAGER, AND I TALKED AND I SAID, WHY ARE WE THE ONLY GET 11%? EVERYBODY ELSE GETS 22%.
HE SAID, WELL, PRE PROP 13 CITIES LIKE IN TEXAS CITIES COULD ADD TO THE PROPERTY TAX, ROLL THEIR OWN LOCAL MEASURES AND FEES.
AND THAT APPEARS TO BE WHAT ENCINITAS AND OCEAN OR WHOEVER THESE 20 PERCENTERS ARE.
THEY DID THAT, BUT ON 1978, WHEN PROP 13 WAS VOTED IN, IT LOCKED IN WHATEVER YOUR PERCENTAGE WAS AT THAT DATE.
WE WERE AT 11%, WE GET PUNISHED FOR NOT ASKING FOR A LOT BIGGER PERCENT OF THE PROPERTY TAX, BECAUSE WE WERE VERY EFFICIENT BACK IN 1978.
SO WE GOT LOCKED IN AT A LOW PERCENT, WHICH IS KIND OF A BUMMER.
SO I REALLY DO THINK WE NEED SOMETHING TO SUPPLEMENT, UH, TO GET US ON PAR WITH THESE OTHER CITIES WHO GET TO KEEP 20% OR MORE.
I THINK IT'S REMARKABLE THAT A POLICE DEPARTMENT, UH, THAT GETS 210,000 CALLS FROM THE PUBLIC EACH YEAR AND RESPONDS TO 70,000, UH, STILL HAS AN EXCELLENT REPUTATION ACROSS THE COUNTY.
I, I SEE IT IN SANDAG, PUBLIC SAFETY.
UH, THE REPUTATION OF ALCOHOL AND PD IS, AND AS WE KNOW IS EVEN IMPROVING AMONG, UH, SOME LARGE CITIES TO THE COAST.
AND YET WE STILL ONLY HAVE MAYBE SEVEN TO 10 CARS ON PATROL AT ANY GIVEN TIME OR FOR A CITY OF 105,014 SQUARE MILES.
SO BOY, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE STRESSING OUR RESOURCES THERE, UH, ON THE FIRE DEPARTMENT SIDE, YOU KNOW HOW I FEEL ABOUT STATION EIGHT? UH, ONE OF THE FIREFIGHTERS TOLD ME THAT IF YOU TAKE THE 4,000 PLUS CALLS FOR ENGINE EIGHT ALONE, THAT WOULD PUT THAT ENGINE IN THE TOP 36 IN THE COUNTRY IN TERMS OF NUMBER OF CALLS RESPONDED TO, FOR A SINGLE ENGINE.
UH, AND THAT IS JUST TOO MUCH, UH, AND WITH THE AVERAGE CALL PER ENGINE AROUND 2200 OR SO, UH, AND CERTAINLY WE KNOW THE MUTUAL AID, VERY HEAVY OUT IN THAT PART OF THE TOWN.
THERE'S NO DOUBT WE NEED MORE FIRE RESOURCES.
UH, I DO THINK, YOU KNOW, WE, IT IS PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUE WHEN WE HAVE TO CALL FROM MUTUAL AID FROM LAKESIDE SAN MIGUEL, THAT ONLY INCREASES THE TIME OF RESPONSE TO CITIZENS IN OKLAHOMA.
AND WE NEED TO BEEF UP OUR FIRE RESOURCES SO THAT WE CAN RESPOND QUICKER TO OUR OWN PEOPLE WITH OUR OWN, UH, CLASS ONE AGENCY, PEOPLE, UH, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT.
CAN WE HIRE ENOUGH? I'M NOT CONCERNED ON THE FIRESIDE, PERHAPS, ALTHOUGH IT'S BEEN TOUGH LATELY TO GET CANDIDATES THROUGH.
CAN WE DELIVER, IF WE ASK FOR THE MONEY, THE PUBLIC IS GOING TO SAY, I DON'T WANT TO SEE ENCAMPMENTS ANYMORE.
I DON'T WANT TO TAKE AN HOUR TO GET POLICE TO COME TO RESPOND TO THIS THING.
I THINK IT WOULD SOLVE A LOT OF PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUES, BUT WE HAVE TO DELIVER.
SO THAT'S WHAT I LOOK FOR, UH, FROM CITY STAFF IS JUST TELL US WHAT YOU NEED TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN.
BECAUSE IF WE ASK THE PEOPLE FOR THIS MONEY, WE MUST FULFILL THEIR EXPECTATIONS.
SO I AGREE TO GO NOW BECAUSE A HALF CENT FOR, FOR MORE POLICE AND MORE FIRE IS BETTER THAN A HALF CENT FOR MORE PUBLIC TRANSIT AT A MORE VEHICLE MILES TRAVELED.
SO THIS IS EASILY THE, THE, UH, MOST DIFFICULT VOTE I'VE HAD IN MY TENURE AND COUNCIL.
AND SO I ASKED MYSELF, WHEN IS IT JUSTIFIED TO RAISE TAXES? THAT'S THE QUESTION THAT AS A STEWARD OF THE PUBLIC'S MONEY FACE WITH ASKING MORE MONEY FROM THE PUBLIC, WHEN IS IT JUSTIFIED? UM,
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AND SO A COUPLE OF THE QUESTIONS AND EXAMPLES THAT I'LL POINT OFF REAL QUICKLY, UM, THERE HAS TO BE, YOU HAVE TO SHOW A NEED, A DIRECT NEED, AND I THINK THAT'S BEEN DISPLAYED NOT ONLY WITH OUR CALLS FOR SERVICE, UM, BUT ANECDOTALLY, UM, WHAT THROUGH THE POLLING RESULTS.AND I DON'T THINK IT'S A, IT'S NOT A SURPRISE TO ME, AT LEAST, I DON'T THINK TO THE REST OF THE COUNCIL THAT OUR RESIDENTS, 80% OF THEM CITED HOMELESSNESS AS THE NUMBER ONE ISSUE, AND THEN, UH, CRIME REDUCTION AS THE SECOND, I THINK BASED OFF OF OUR BUDGET, MYSELF AND THE COUNCIL, THAT'S WHERE OUR PRIORITIES ARE BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE MOST OF OUR BUDGET GOES.
SO IT'S NOT A, UH, NOT A SURPRISE.
SO WE HAVE TO SHOW A DIRECT NEED, UM, AND THEN SPEND THAT MONEY ON THOSE PRIORITIES.
AND I THINK THE RESOLUTION THAT'S PROPOSED, UM, WITH REGARD TO THE PRIORITIES FOR THE REVENUE CHECK THAT.
SO CHECK THAT, UM, WE SHOULD HAVE, UH, A HISTORY OF TRYING TO EXPAND OUR TAX BASE BEFORE WE GO TO THE PUBLIC FOR MORE MONEY, WE SHOULD SHOW SOME, SOME EFFORTS IN EXPANDING OUR TAX BASE, LOOKING FOR OTHER OPPORTUNITIES FOR REVENUE.
I THINK THAT THE, UH, CAR DEALERSHIPS ARE A MASSIVE, MASSIVE SUCCESS.
WE HAVE OUR FIRST ECONOMIC PLAN AS A CITY IN YEARS TO BRING A NEW BUSINESS IN, TO EXPAND OUR TAX BASE TAX BASE.
UM, WE HAVE TO SHOW RESULTS IN THAT AS WELL.
AND I THINK WE'VE SHOWN THAT, UM, CREATIVE SOLUTIONS TO REDUCE EXPENSIVE EXPENSES.
I MEAN, WE'RE LEASING LAND CITY OWNED LAND TO TELECOM COMMUNICATION COMPANIES FOR ADDITIONAL REVENUE.
UM, UH, THE SQUAD CARS, INSTEAD OF BUYING AN ENGINE, WE DO SQUADS TO REDUCE THE COST OF LABOR AND THE NEW ENGINE TO RESPOND TO CALLS QUICKER, MORE EFFICIENTLY.
UM, THESE ARE JUST RANDOM EXAMPLES.
UM, SHOW EXAMPLES OF CUTTING WASTE OR PAIRING DOWN LIKE OUR CITY MANAGER SAID, UM, WE HAVE 28 LESS EMPLOYEES THAN WE DID IN 20 13, 20 14 FISCAL YEAR.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE WE'RE, WE DON'T HAVE, WE DON'T HAVE CITY EMPLOYEES JUST STANDING AROUND DOING NOTHING, UM, TRACKING AND SHOWING RESULTS OF WHERE THE MONEY'S GO, WHERE THE MONEY IS GOING.
WHAT, WHAT ARE OUR KEY PERFORMANCE INDICATORS? HOW DO WE MEASURE SUCCESS? AS OUR SPEAKER PATRICK SAID, UM, I SAT DOWN WITH ONE OF OUR SERGEANTS AND HE HAD HIS LAPTOP UP AND IT WAS 9:00 AM AND THERE WAS ALREADY 20 CALLS IN THE QUEUE, UM, CALLS FOR SERVICE.
I THINK THAT'S A MEASURE OF SUCCESS.
CAN WE GET THOSE CALL? UM, HOW LONG IS OUR CALLS FOR SERVICE? HOW, HOW OLD ARE THOSE CALLS? WHAT'S THE AVERAGE WAIT TIME.
AND CAN WE REDUCE THOSE TIMES? NOT FOR EMERGENCY CALLS, BUT YOU KNOW, I KNOW CAR DEALERSHIPS GET CARS STOLEN ALL THE TIME, AND YOU KNOW, SOME OF OUR GUYS SHOW UP, I THINK THE NEXT DAY, BECAUSE THEY'RE JUST TOO BUSY RESPONDING TO OTHER CALLS.
UM, SO WE NEED TO TRACK RESULTS AND SHOW THE RESULTS, UM, SPENDING MONEY EFFICIENTLY, MAXIMIZING IT, UH, AS OUR CITY MANAGER STATED, UH, OUR PENSION OBLIGATION BONDS, REDUCING THAT, UM, MONEY THAT WE HAVE THAT WE'RE BRINGING IN FROM THE PUBLIC REFINANCING FOR A LOWER PAYMENT, UM, OVERSIGHT.
UM, WE'RE ADDRESSING THAT AS WELL.
AND I AGREE, I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE SEVEN AND SEVEN MEMBERS INSTEAD OF FIVE.
UM, SO TO ADDRESS THE SPEAKER'S CONCERNS, UM, LET ME SEE HERE, WILL IT HARM ECONOMIC GROWTH? UM, THAT'S A DIFFICULT QUESTION TO HAVE.
I THINK THIS IS A MODEST INCREASE, A HALF CENT, UM, FOR EVERY $50,000 THAT SOMEONE SPENDS IN ALCOHOL.
UM, SO IT'S, IT'S, UH, IT'S A, IT'S A, I THINK IT'S A MODEST, UM, APPROACH.
UM, WE'VE HAD A BALANCED BUDGET FOR AS LONG AS I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL.
WE HAVEN'T RAISED TAXES IN 13 YEARS, UM, WITH REGARD TO LIVING WITHIN OUR MEANS AND OUR FINANCIAL STABILITY SMP STANDARD.
AND POOR'S GAVE US A AA RATING WHEN WE, WHEN WE REFINANCED OR WHEN WE, UH, DID THE PENSION OBLIGATION BONDS.
AND THAT'S BASED OFF OF OUR CITY FINANCES.
UM, SOME PEOPLE THE PUBLIC MIGHT ASK US, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE 40 OR $50 MILLION IN RESERVES, YOU KNOW, AND YOU'RE ASKING FOR A MORE MONEY.
UM, Y WELL, WE COULD SPEND $12 MILLION A YEAR, AND THEN WE'D BE OUT OF OUR RESERVES IN THREE AND A HALF YEARS, FOUR YEARS.
AND THEN OUR CITY WOULD BE IN PERIL BECAUSE WE'D HAVE ZERO RESERVES, CRISIS COMES AND WE'RE CUTTING EVERYBODY.
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WE OUTSOURCE SERVICES TO PRIVATE BUSINESSES TO, TO SAVE MONEY, OUR STREET SWEEPING SERVICES.WE, WE OUTSOURCED IT TO SAVE TO SAVE MONEY.
UM, AND THEN OF COURSE THE NEED I ALREADY TOUCHED ON.
SO THIS IS IF THERE'S EVER A QUALIFIER FOR A MUNICIPALITY TO ASK FOR MORE MONEY, IF IT'S NOT THIS SCENARIO WHERE WE HAVE 30% MORE CALLS AND 25% MORE CRIME, UM, LESS OFFICERS PER CAPITA, UM, ALONG WITH A PUBLIC THAT WANTS THIS, IF THERE'S, IF THIS ISN'T THE TIME TO ASK THE PUBLIC AND ULTIMATELY LEAVE IT UP TO THE PUBLIC FOR THEIR DECISION TO GIVE THE PUBLIC AND OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO PRODUCE MORE RESULTS FOR THEM, THEN I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS, IF IT'S NOT JUSTIFIED IN THIS SCENARIO, THEN I DON'T KNOW WHAT, WHEN IT WOULD BE JUSTIFIED.
UM, BUT LIKE I SAID, THIS IS VERY DIFFICULT, ESPECIALLY FOR US, YOU KNOW, BEING, I CONSIDER MYSELF ONE OF MOST FISCALLY CONSERVATIVE PEOPLE AS A MORAL SUBSET OF WHO I AM.
AND SO IT'S VERY DIFFICULT FOR, FOR ME TO DO THIS, BUT I AM GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT IF THE PUBLIC SAYS YES TO THESE FUNDS, THAT THEY WILL BE USED EFFICIENTLY, THAT WE WILL CONTINUE TO MAXIMIZE THESE FUNDS, THAT THERE WILL BE OVERSIGHT NOT ONLY FROM MYSELF, BUT FROM THE PUBLIC AND THAT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE RESULTS FROM THESE.
SO, UM, I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT.
UH, BUT, UM, THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.
I THINK IT, YOU COVERED ALL OUR STAFF COVERED ALL THE BASES.
WE DIDN'T GET A LOT OF PUBLIC INPUT, BUT ULTIMATELY THE PUBLIC IS GOING TO INPUT, GIVE THEIR INPUT WITH THE VOTE.
UM, WE'RE LEAVING IT UP TO THE PUBLIC.
WHEN D SORRY, I NOTICED IS I'M ON MY SOAP BOX, BUT WE HAD A RESIDENT THIS MORNING, OR THIS AFTERNOON AT THREE O'CLOCK, WENDY PREVENTURE CAME AND SPOKE, AND SHE WAS IN TEARS BECAUSE HER AND HER NEIGHBORS WERE AT A LOSS FOR WHAT CAN THEY DO ABOUT THIS NEIGHBOR? THAT'S PROBABLY DEALING DRUGS.
THAT'S BEEN A NUISANCE TO THE, TO THE, TO THE NEIGHBORS, TO THE CITY, STAYING UP ALL NIGHT, REVENUE ENGINES.
I MEAN, THEY'RE JUST, THEY'RE VAGRANTS.
AND SH SHE CAME TWO WEEKS AGO AND OUR STAFF CITY MANAGER AND TONY CHUTE FROM HOUSING AND OUR CHIEF OF POLICE, THEY ALL COORDINATED AND THEY WENT TOGETHER AND THEY MADE IT A FOCUS TO, TO CORRECT THE ISSUES THAT ARE THERE AND COME DOWN ON THESE PEOPLE THAT ARE TERRORIZING THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND W THE REALITY IS, IS WE PROBABLY HAVE 20 OF THESE WENDY PREVENTERS, OUR RESIDENTS THAT HAVE THESE ISSUES THAT ARE REPORTING THESE ISSUES.
WE PROBABLY HAVE DOUBLE THAT, THAT JUST AREN'T REPORTING THAT ARE JUST LIVING WITH IT.
AND SO I DON'T KNOW HOW I CAN LOOK A RESIDENT IN THE EYE.
AND WHEN THE RESIDENTS ARE SAYING, WE'LL PAY MORE, IF YOU HELP US, I DON'T KNOW HOW I CAN VOTE NO, ON SOMETHING LIKE THAT WHEN THERE'D BE, WHEN WE HAVE RESIDENTS BEING TERRORIZED, WHEN WE HAVE POLICE OFFICERS THAT ARE BEING BURNT OUT, UM, WHEN WE HAVE FIREFIGHTERS THAT ARE BEING BURNT OUT, AND WE HAVE RESIDENTS SAYING, THANK YOU FOR FIXING THIS FOR ME.
UM, WE CAN'T DO THAT FOR EVERYONE WITH THE BUDGET WE HAVE RIGHT NOW.
SO YOU'RE, WELL, I'VE ALWAYS BELIEVED THAT THE PRIMARY FUNCTION OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT IS TO PROTECT THEIR CITIZENS.
AND THE CITIZENS HAVE CLEARLY SAID, BASED UPON THIS POLL, WE WANT MORE PROTECTION AND WE'RE WILLING TO PAY FOR IT.
SO I WANT TO GIVE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO VOTE ON THIS.
AND, UH, IF WE PASS THIS A DAY TODAY, WE WILL GIVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY AND IT'S UP TO THEM.
AND I HAD TO TELL YOU, ONE THING I KNOW THAT THIS MONEY WILL BE WELL-SPENT BECAUSE MY FELLOW COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE VERY FRUGAL, AND THEY'VE BEEN LIKE THAT IN THE 20 YEARS THAT I'VE BEEN ON HERE.
AND WE'VE GOT A STAFF THAT IS ALSO VERY FRUGAL AND EXTREMELY EFFICIENT.
WE HAVE FEWER EMPLOYEES NOW THAN WE HAD 20 YEARS AGO, AND THE CITY DOESN'T WASTE MONEY AND UNCONFIDENT.
AND ESPECIALLY WITH THE OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE, THIS WILL BE MONEY WELL SPENT.
AND THIS CITY, IF THIS PASSES WE'LL BE SAFER AND CLEANER, AND THAT'S WHAT THE PUBLIC WANTS.
SO LET'S GIVE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT.
CAN MY HOUSE, WELL, UM, I JUST WANT TO SAY, IT LOOKS LIKE THIS IS GOING TO PASS
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AND I'M GOING TO VOTE YES.BUT I HAVE TO TELL YOU THIS WITH A LOT OF HEARTACHE, UM, BECAUSE THROUGHOUT MOST OF MY POLITICAL CAREER, I'VE, UH, BEEN AGAINST PRETTY MUCH EVERY TAX INCREASE I'VE SEEN.
UM, I'VE NEVER VOTED TO RAISE TAXES.
I, WE VOTED TO, UM, AND THE PROPOSITION, OH, SALES TAX, WHAT A LOT OF PEOPLE TOLD US, HEY, YOU KNOW, IT'D BE REALLY EASY TO JUST PUT AN EXTENSION ON THE BALLOT AND IT WILL ALMOST SURELY PASS.
BUT AT THAT POINT, WE DIDN'T REALLY HAVE A COMPELLING REASON THAT WE NEEDED THE MONEY TO CONTINUE SERVICES.
SO I FELT THAT THE RIGHT THING TO DO IS TO PROTECT THE CITIZENS AS MUCH AS WE COULD BY KEEPING SALES, TAX LOW, AS LOW AS POSSIBLE.
BUT THEN SOMETHING'S HAPPENED.
SOMETHING'S CHANGED THE LAST FEW YEARS.
THE PEOPLE THAT ARE IN POWER IN THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA HAVE THE SIDE OF THE MAIN CRIME, OR LET ME PUT IT THIS WAY.
THEY'VE DECIDED TO DECRIMINALIZE CRIME.
THEY'VE DECIDED THAT, UM, INCARCERATION IS NOT THE WAY TO TREAT CRIMES ANYMORE.
THEY'D DECIDED THAT IT'S, UH, UH, NO, NO LONGER A GOOD THING TO PREVENT PEOPLE FROM STEALING OR TO PREVENT PEOPLE FROM SELLING DRUGS OR USING DRUGS, OR EVEN A LOT OF VIOLENT CRIMES.
AND THAT HAS CHANGED THE DYNAMIC OF ALL OF OUR LIVES.
WE'RE LI WE'RE NOW LIVING IN A MUCH MORE DANGEROUS CITY, SUCH AS ALCOHOL IS EVERY, EVERY INCH OF CALIFORNIA IS A MUCH MORE DANGEROUS PLACE TO LIVE THAN IT WAS EVEN THREE YEARS AGO.
AND I THINK WE HAVE TO RESPOND TO THAT.
AND I THINK WE GET STUCK IN DOGMA AND SAY, I DON'T VOTE FOR MORE TAXES.
I JUST DON'T AND IGNORE ALL THE COMPELLING REASONS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT TONIGHT.
THEN WE'RE NOT DOING OUR CITIZENS MUCH OF A SERVICE.
IN FACT, WHAT'S HAPPENING IS WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE ACTUALLY KIND OF BEING, UM, WEAK.
SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO BE BRAVE AND POLITICS.
I SAW THAT THROUGH THE WHOLE COVID THING, YOU KNOW, WHERE SO MANY PEOPLE JUST GOT IN LINE AND DID WHATEVER THE STATUS QUO WAS AND KEPT THEIR HEADS DOWN AND HOPE THEY WOULDN'T GET BLAMED FOR ANYTHING.
AND NO VERY FEW PEOPLE TOOK STANCE.
AND I'M VERY PROUD OF THIS COUNCIL FOR DOING THAT.
AND EVEN THOUGH WHEN THAT WAS HAPPENING, I WAS PRETTY SURE THAT I WAS DESTROYING MY OWN POLITICAL CAREER BY DOING THAT.
PEOPLE REALLY APPRECIATED THE FACT THAT WE DIDN'T DO WHAT WAS EXPEDIENT POLITICALLY, BUT WE DID.
WE, WHAT WE THOUGHT WAS BEST FOR THE PEOPLE.
SO I THINK WE'RE IN THAT SITUATION AGAIN.
AND, UH, THAT'S WHY I'M GOING TO VOTE FOR, AND I JUST WANTED TO GET BEYOND RECORD IS SAYING, UM, THAT NO MATTER WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN, I THINK WE'RE GOING TO, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE SOME BEATING, UM, POLITICALLY IN THE NEXT SIX TO EIGHT WEEKS, BUT NO MATTER WHAT, UM, OUR HIGHEST PRIORITY IS TO PROTECT PEOPLE, CAUSE IT'S NOT AN ESOTERIC CONCEPT.
IT'S REAL PEOPLE WILL LIVE OR DIE POSSIBLY.
AND PROBABLY DEPENDING ON THE DECISION WE MAKE TONIGHT, IT WILL, IT WILL AFFECT LIVES.
AND, UM, SO THAT'S WHY I'M WILLING TO VOTE FOR THIS AND WILLING TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION AT THIS POINT.
NOW I DO THINK THIS IS, IT LOOKS LIKE EVERYBODY'S ON BOARD WITH THIS.
WE HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE GOING TO GO TO FOUR, A 1 CENT OR A HALF CENT SALES TAX, OR MEANING A CONTINUING PROPOSITION J FOR A HALF CENT, AND THEN ADDING ANOTHER HALF SENTENCE TO THE BALLOT MEASURE.
UM, I THINK STEVE'S, UH, CONCEPTS OF, UH, EXPANDING THE OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE.
THE SEVEN IS, IS OBVIOUSLY A GOOD, A GOOD IDEA.
I'LL SAY TO YOU ANY HARM WITH THAT.
UM, I'LL LET YOU ALL DECIDE, BUT, UH, MY PERSONAL RECOMMENDATION AT THIS POINT, UH, BASED UPON THE POLITICAL REALITIES OF WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN THEN THIS COUPLE OF YEARS, AND, UM, I THINK AGAIN, OUR OBLIGATION TO KEEP PEOPLE SAFE.
UM, I THINK A ONE SET SALES TAX WOULD BE A SMART WAY TO GO WITH THE CAVEAT THAT WE CAN ALWAYS REDUCE THAT LATER ON DOWN THE LINE, WHEN WE FEEL LIKE, UH, THE CITIES HAVE A GOOD ENOUGH POLITICAL OR A FINANCIAL STATE TO DO THAT.
AND THAT'S, UH, THAT'S MY THOUGHT, I'M OPEN TO DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT QUESTION FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY.
UM, SO THE DRAFT THAT WE HAVE HERE IS THAT FOR NUMBER THREE ON THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION.
WELL, IT'S IT'S TOO, BECAUSE YOU WOULD, WE PROPOSE YOU HAVE A FIRST READING INTRODUCTION OF IT AT TODAY'S MEETING,
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IT'S ATTACHED TO THE RESOLUTION.IS THAT YOUR QUESTION? WHICH ITEM IT IS? IS THIS 1, 2, 3 OR FOUR? THE ONE THAT WAS HANDED OUT, IT REPLACES TWO REPLACES TOO.
SO, UM, I GUESS I'LL MOVE THAT WE ADOPT THE RESOLUTION CALLING FOR AN ELECTION ON NOVEMBER 8TH.
I WILL, UH, MAYBE WE TAKE THESE ONE AT A TIME, BUT ONE OF THE TIMES PLEASE.
OKAY, MR. GOLDWELL BEFORE YOU DO, THERE IS ONE MORE THING THAT WE JUST NEEDED CLARIFICATION FROM THE COUNCIL THERE.
AND WE'RE TRYING TO FIND THAT RIGHT NOW.
I APOLOGIZE FOR THIS, BUT THERE WAS, THERE'S A SECTION THAT DICTATES, I BELIEVE IT'S IN THE RESOLUTION, VINCE, IT DICTATES WHO CAN OR CANNOT, UM, WRITE THE, OR THE, UH, ARGUMENT FOR SYNCING THE RESOLUTION.
SO, UM, MR. CITY ATTORNEY, DO YOU RECALL WHICH SECTION IS THE REASON WHY I SAY THIS IS BECAUSE IT REALLY GIVES YOU, IT RESERVES THE RIGHT FOR THIS COUNCIL TO BE THE ONES THAT, THAT ENDORSE OR SIGN OR WRITE THE LETTER OR THE, UM, ARGUMENT IN FAVOR OF, OR YOU CAN LEAVE THAT OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.
SO I THINK THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN RIGHT NOW, IT RESERVES THE RIGHT TO THE COUNCIL, BUT WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S SOMETHING EITHER YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH, OR YOU WANTED IT OPEN UP TO ANY GROUP IN THE COMMUNITY THAT WANTED TO DO THAT.
UM, SECTION 16, DUE TO THE COMMUNITY INTEREST IN THIS ISSUE, THE CITY COUNCIL AUTHORIZES A PROCESS, PERMITTING A COMMUNITY SUBMITTAL OF THE ARGUMENT UNDER ELECTIONS CODE SECTION 92 82, A VALID ARGUMENT ON THIS MEASUREMENT ONLY BE SUBMITTED BY AN INDIVIDUAL VOTER ELIGIBLE TO VOTE ON THE MEASURE OF BONAFIDE ASSOCIATION OF CITIZENS OR A COMBINATION OF VOTERS OR ASSOCIATIONS.
SO I KNOW WE'RE CONFUSING TO YOU GUYS RIGHT NOW.
SO W W THE THREE CHOICES WOULD BE A, UH, AN ORGANIZATION CITIZENS OR AN ORGANIZATION AND CITIZENS, IS THAT CORRECT? AND THEN WAS THE OTHER, WAS THE OTHER OPTION RESERVING IT FOR CITY COUNCIL? I THINK THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN RIGHT NOW, MR. FOLEY, AS YOU'RE READING THIS, YOU CAN VERIFY THIS THE WAY IT READS.
NOW IT ALLOWS THE COUNCIL TO BE THE ONES THAT SUBMIT THE ARGUMENT IN FAVOR OF, ON THE BALLOT, ON THE BALLOT STATEMENT.
SO IN THE BALLOT BOOKLET THERE'S ARGUMENTS FOR AND AGAINST, I, I PERSONALLY THINK THAT IT WOULD BE A LOT MORE POWERFUL IF CITIZENS, GROUPS AND CITIZENS THEMSELVES WERE ARGUING FOR THIS.
YOU KNOW, YOU CAN SAY THAT WE KIND OF HAVE A VESTED INTEREST IN, IN, UH, PROMOTING THE PASSAGE OF THE SALES TAX.
I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA TO HAVE THE CITIZENS DO IT.
IT GIVES THEM THE POWER TO VOTE.
IT GIVES THEM THE POWER TO SUBMIT THIS.
DO WE HAVE THE TIME TO GET CITIZENS GROUP TO DO THIS? YEAH, I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE TO DO IT BY FRIDAY.
I W WE'RE JUST GOING TO HAVE THEY'LL, THERE'LL BE A DATE SOMETIME, PROBABLY IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS THAT THAT HAS TO BE IN BY, I THINK, GIVING IT TO THE CITIZENS TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT VOICE.
HOW DO WE, HOW SO WOULD WE, HOW DOES THAT WORK ITSELF OUT WITH REGARD TO WHO DID WHICH, AND WHEN, AND HOW IT'S AN OPEN PROCESS, THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN.
IT JUST SAYS THE CITY COUNCIL SHELL, UM, ALL RIGHT.
CITY COUNCIL AUTHORIZED THE PROCESS, PERMITTING THAT.
SO YOU CAN COME BACK TO THIS AND VISIT THIS AT A LATER DATE.
IF, IF THERE'S, IF THERE'S AN ARGUMENT THAT A CITIZEN PROMOTES, ARE WE OBLIGATED TO ACCEPT THAT? WELL, FOR AND AGAINST, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY COULD PUT IN FOR, OR THERE'S A GROUP COULD PUT IN AGAINST WHAT IF 80 PEOPLE PUT FOREIGN AGAINST ARGUMENTS TO BE PART OF A GROUP OR AN INDIVIDUAL? UM, I'M NOT SURE THAT ANSWERS THE QUESTION.
I, IF 80 DIFFERENT PEOPLE WANT TO PUT IN INDIVIDUAL ARGUMENTS, WOULD THAT ALL GO INTO NO, NO.
WE'RE ONLY, WE'RE LIMITED TO THE NUMBER OF, UH, ARGUMENTS AT, FOR, AND AGAINST ONE-ON-ONE, WHO IS WHAT THE MAYOR IS ASKING THE CITY.
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DIFFERENT GROUPS COME IN, WE WOULD HAVE TO CALL THEM IN AND DO A DRAWING.THEY CAN, ARE ALL INVITED TO COME AND WITNESS, AND WE WOULD PULL BY DRAWING, BUT ONLY ONE PERSON CAN WRITE AN ARGUMENT FOR, AND ONE GROUP, PERSON, OR GROUP AGAINST HOW DO YOU NOTICE THIS? WE WOULD PUBLISH IT, HAVE A WELL TO NOTICE, UH, EVERYTHING EVERYTHING'S GOING TO BE PUBLISHED AND PEOPLE WOULD COME FORWARD TO SEE IF THEY WANTED TO, OR JUST PUBLISHED WORK ON THE NEWSPAPER.
AND IT'S TRANSLATED INTO THE FOUR REQUIRED LANGUAGES.
YOU KNOW, I COULD SEE SOME PROBLEMS WITH THAT JUST BECAUSE IF WE HAVE 80 DIFFERENT GROUPS COMING IN, WE MAY HAVE 50 THAT DON'T REALLY GIVE US A VERY GOOD ARGUMENT.
AND WE HAVE, AND WE JUST DO A RANDOM DRAWING.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE GOING TO GET.
SO IS THERE, COULD WE SOLICIT FEEDBACK FROM ANY GROUPS AND THEN COOK US AS A COUNCIL, TAKE THE CORE OF THE ARGUMENTS OF THE GROUPS AND INCLUDE THEM IN THE FOUR, BECAUSE I KIND OF AM ECHOING WHAT GARY KENDRICK IS SAYING.
AND THERE COULD BE SOME PROBLEMS IN COMMUNICATING WHAT EXACTLY THE CITY INTENDS TO DO WITH THE FUNDS.
WELL, W I THINK THERE'S SOME PRO THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT CAN, I DON'T THINK THE FINAL DECISION ON THAT HAS TO BE MADE TONIGHT.
I THINK WHAT'S IMPORTANT IS THE WAY THAT IT'S WORDED NOW, IT GIVES THE IT LIMITS WHO CAN SUBMIT AN ARGUMENT THAT THEY HAVE TO BE AN ELIGIBLE VOTER ON THIS MEASURE.
SO WHAT IT'S SAYING THAT THEY HAVE TO BE AN ELIGIBLE VOTER THAT RESIDES IN ALCOHOL.
SO YOU CAN'T HAVE, UH, A GROUP OUT OF WISCONSIN, THE, THE, UM, PRO CHEESE UNION, RIGHT.
YOU'RE, YOU'RE ARGUING IN FAVOR OF IT.
THAT WOULD LIMIT THAT TO SOMEBODY IN THE CITY.
AND THAT WOULD BE AT LEAST A START.
AND THEN WE CAN COME BACK AND FIGURE OUT THE PARTICULARS OF HOW THAT PROCESS WORKS.
BUT WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU RECOGNIZE THAT THIS DOES LIMIT RIGHT NOW, AS IT'S WORDED RIGHT NOW, THE FIRST RESOLUTION, IT DOES LIMIT IT TO SOMEONE THAT IS A RESIDENT OR A VOTE, POTENTIAL VOTER IN ALCOHOL, BUT THE CITY COUNCIL CAN STILL DO IT.
IF WE DECIDE LATER ON, YOU CAN DO THAT.
OR IF YOU WANT TO OPEN IT UP TO THE BROADER COMMUNITY, YOU CAN STRIKE THAT, THAT SECTION ALTOGETHER.
YOU'RE TELLING US THAT, THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE THAT FINISHED AND FINALIZED BY FRIDAY.
WE'LL HAVE TO FIGURE OUT THAT PROCESS, BUT THERE'S TIME TO DO THAT.
UH, I WOULD SUGGEST STRIKING THE REQUIREMENT THAT THEY HAVE TO BE A VOTER AND ALCOHOL.
AND BECAUSE, UH, THERE ARE BUSINESS MEMBERS WHO DON'T LIVE IN OKLAHOMA, WHO WOULD HAVE A VESTED INTEREST IN THIS.
THERE ARE, UM, LABOR GROUPS THAT WOULD HAVE A VESTED INTEREST IN THIS WHO WOULD WANT TO PERHAPS HAVE A SAY ONE WAY OR THE OTHER WHO MAY NOT BE RESIDENTS OF OKLAHOMA.
SO I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD LIMIT IT TO JUST RESIDENTS OF ALCOHOL AND, OR CAN WE START? I WOULD, I WOULD SUGGEST WE STRIKE THAT REQUIREMENT.
SO IF, IF THAT WERE TO BE MADE AS THE MOTION, YOU WOULD RECOMMEND STRIKING PARAGRAPH 16 AS PART OF THE MOTION.
THAT SHOULD BE PART OF THAT MOTION.
I THINK THERE'S TWO RESOLUTIONS, RIGHT? THERE'S TWO RESOLUTIONS.
SO RESOLUTION ONE CALLS FOR THE ELECTION, UM, RESOLUTION TWO, WHICH SHOULD BE CONSIDERED AFTER THE FIRST READING OF THE ORDINANCE ESTABLISHES YOUR PRIORITY LIST OR YOUR PRIORITIES.
AND IS THIS RESOLUTION ONE OR TWO? THAT'S TWO.
THAT'S THE NUMBER ONE? THIS IS NUMBER ONE.
WITH THE BALLOT LANGUAGE SANSKRIT.
SO MY RECOLLECTION IS THE ACTUAL DETAILS OF THAT FOLLOW BEFORE THE ELECTION.
THERE'S THE ELECTIONS CODE SPELLS OUT ARGUMENTS FOR AND AGAINST FOR THESE TYPES OF MEASURES.
AND HISTORICALLY CITIES HAVE EVEN ALLOW COUNCIL MEMBERS TO BE THE ONES WHO MAKE THE ARGUMENTS OR ALLOW THEM TO MAKE AN ARGUMENT FOR, OR AGAINST A MEASURE.
AND SO THAT PROVIDES SOME SORT OF AUTHORITY.
WE COULD DO THAT TOO, BUT I BELIEVE, AND WE DON'T HAVE A CLEAR, CONSISTENT SAW THIS, BUT I THINK, I BELIEVE WE'LL COME BACK BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO ALSO AUTHOR OR DIRECT ME TO DO AN IMPARTIAL ANALYSIS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND THAT'LL COME AT A LATER DATE.
SO IT DOESN'T, IF YOU TAKE THAT OUT, IT DOESN'T MEAN YOU CAN'T COME BACK AND HAVE A METHOD, A METHOD OF SELECTING THOSE THINGS SPELLED OUT IN A NEW RESOLUTION.
I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT.
WE MAKE SURE WE DON'T MISS ANY DEADLINES FOR WHEN THE ROV NEEDS THE, UH,
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THE WORDING, BECAUSE THEN WE'D BE IN BIG TROUBLE.THE WORDING IS IN THE RESOLUTION OF THE, WHAT THE QUESTION BEING PRESENTED AS THERE, BUT IT STILL ALLOWS OR REQUIRES, OR THE CITY COUNCIL CAN REQUEST THAT I MAKE AN IMPARTIAL ANALYSIS, WHICH IS TYPICALLY WHAT HAPPENS TO THE VOTERS.
SEE THAT IN THE PAMPHLET OF WHAT MY ANALYSIS IS OF THIS MEASURE.
AND THEN, UH, WHEN WE DO THAT AGAIN, WE CAN TAKE UP THE ARGUMENTS FOR, AND AGAINST TYPES OF THINGS.
IT'S BEEN A WHILE, BUT MY RECOLLECTION IS THAT A LOT OF THESE FOLLOW AFTER YOU'VE ACTUALLY MET THE DEADLINE OF PLACING SOMETHING ON A BALLOT, AND YOU DO SOME SORT OF CLEANUP AND ADDITIONAL, UH, TAKE ADDITIONAL ACTIONS THAT THEY'VE GOTTA BE TIMELY, BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO LET THAT SLIP BY OBVIOUSLY.
UM, BUT I JUST DON'T HAVE A CLEAR RECOLLECTION ABOUT THE DATES.
SOMEBODY'S READY AND MAKE A MOTION.
AND YOU'D LIKE TO DO THESE ONE AT A TIME THAT WE ADOPT THE RESOLUTION CALLING FOR ELECTION ON NOVEMBER 8TH.
IS THAT THE FIRST RESOLUTION IN THE DRAFT REPORT? OKAY.
THEN I WOULD, UM, PART OF MY MOTION MOVE TO STRIKE SECTION 16, REQUIRING THAT, UH, ABOUT ARGUMENT COULD ONLY BE SUBMITTED BY AN INDIVIDUAL VOTER IN THIS THING.
WE COULD ADD THAT LATER IF WE WANT TO, AS I UNDERSTAND.
MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.
AND THAT I WOULD MOVE THAT WE CONDUCT THE FIRST READING OF THE ORDINANCE, WHATEVER THAT TAKES.
SECOND, PLEASE VOTE MOTION CARRIES, UNANIMOUS VOTE.
AND THE TITLE OF THE ORDINANCE READS AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF ALCOHOL AND REPEALING ORDINANCE NUMBER 4, 9 1 9, AND IMPOSING A TRANSECTIONS AND USE TAX TO BE ADMINISTERED BY THE STATE DEPARTMENT OF TAX AND FEE ADMINISTRATION.
WE ADOPT THE RESOLUTION ESTABLISHING CITY COUNCIL PRIORITIES.
THAT IS THE SECOND RESOLUTION ON HERE.
I WOULD ASK THAT WHEN MODIFY SECTION 16 TO INCREASE, UH, THE MEMBERS FROM FIVE TO SEVEN, AND THAT WOULD INCREASE THE, UH, ALCOHOL AND RESIDENTS FROM THREE TO FIVE, THAT WAS IN THE ORDINANCE.
SO IF, IF, IF WE, YEAH, THAT'S THE CHALLENGE THAT THE ORDINANCE IS ATTACHED TO EVERY RESOLUTION, SO THAT, THAT'S WHY IT'S SHOWING UP IN SO MANY PLACES.
SO JAY'S A GOOD, BUT YEAH, IF YOU COULD, UM, CAN WE FIX IT, LIKE RECONSIDER THIS, UH, THIS, WELL, YOU NEED THE ORDINANCE DONE TODAY.
UM, BUT IF YOU COULD RECONSIDER THE VOTE TO RECONSIDER AND THEN WE'LL TAKE IT BACK UP WITH, UH, WITH THAT MODIFICATION, IS THAT ALL RIGHT? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO RECONSIDER, PLEASE.
MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.
SO NOW IF WE TAKE UP THE ORDINANCE AGAIN WITH THE CHANGES AS PRESENTED, UH, IN, IN THE INTRODUCTION BY THE CITY ATTORNEY AND THE SECTION 20 SECTION 16, THE INDEPENDENT OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE WOULD BE SEVEN MEMBERS, FIVE OF WHICH WOULD BE FROM THE CITY OF ALCOHOL AND AT LEAST, AND THE SECTION 22 EFFECTIVE DATE CHANGE THAT WAS PRESENTED TONIGHT TO I'LL MOVE THAT.
WE ACCEPT STAFF RECOMMENDATION.
BOOM MOTION CARRIES BAY UNANIMOUS VOTE.
AND AGAIN, THE TITLE OF THE ORDINANCE IS AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF ALCOHOL AND REPEALING ORDINANCE NUMBER 4, 9 1 9, AND IMPOSING A TRANSECTIONS AND USE TAX TO BE ADMINISTERED BY THE STATE DEPARTMENT OF TAX AND FEE ADMINISTRATION.
AND THEN WHEN YOU'RE DOING THIS RESOLUTION, JUST MAKE SURE YOU MENTIONED THAT THE MODIFIED ORDINANCE WILL BE THE ATTACHMENT TO THE RESOLUTION.
I MOVE THAT WE ADOPT THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION.
SECOND MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.
AND ITEM FOUR IS THE RECOMMENDATION TO, UH, TO ALLOCATE FUNDS FOR INFORMATIONAL EDUCATION INFORMATION ON THE MEASURE, MOVE TO ADOPT THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION.
PLEASE VOTE MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.
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THAT BRINGS US TO A GERMAN, THE GERMAN RAILER JOINT MEETING OF THE ALCOHOLIC CITY COUNCIL, ALCOHOL AND HOUSING AUTHORITY, SUCCESSOR AGENCIES.THE ALCOHOL RITA ABOUT AGENCY HELD THIS NINTH DAY OF AUGUST, 2022 IS ADJOURN TILL TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 30TH, 2022 AT 3:00 PM.