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PLEASE STAND FOR A FLAG SALUTE AND A MOMENT OF SILENCE.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
COMMISSIONER MOROSE, PRESENT COMMISSIONER POLLACK ROOT PRESENT COMMISSIONER CIRCLE, RESIDENT COMMISSIONER, SANTILLI, ROSEN, AND COMMISSIONER HIS NOTIFY STAFF THAT SHE'D BE ABSENT TODAY.
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WELCOME TO THE ALCON PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.THIS MEETING IS BEING LIVE STREAMED ON THE CITY OF ALCOHOL AND WEBSITE APPEALS.
A FINAL DECISIONS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION MADE THIS EVENING MUST BE FILED IN WRITING WITH THE CITY CLERK BEFORE 5:00 PM, FRIDAY, JULY 29TH, 2022, AND MUST INCLUDE THE PAYMENT OF A FILING FEE.
IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK ON EITHER A NON-AGENDA OR AGENDA ITEM TONIGHT, PLEASE FILL OUT THE REQUEST TO SPEAK CARD, WHICH IS LOCATED.
I BELIEVE RIGHT OUT THERE ON THE PODIUM AND TURNING THE SECRETARY WHO WILL CALL YOU UP TO SPEAK.
WHEN THE AGENDA ITEM COMES UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, WE ASK THAT YOU GIVE US THE SPELLING OF YOUR LAST NAME.
SPEAKERS ARE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES, THE DISPLAY ON THE PODIUM, AS WELL AS THE OTHER MONITORS AND THE CHAMBER WILL SHOW TIME COUNTING DOWN AT 30 SECONDS.
THE PODIUM CLOCK READOUT WILL TURN RED SIGNIFYING YOU HAVE 30 SECONDS UNTIL THE END OF YOUR TIME.
APPLICANTS AND INDIVIDUALS REPRESENTING GROUPS OF PEOPLE MAY BE ALLOWED MORE TIME IF APPROPRIATE ALL PUBLIC HEARING COMMENTS SHOULD BE ADDRESSED TO ME AS THE CHAIR OF THE COMMISSION AND NOT TO INDIVIDUAL COMMISSIONERS OR TO STAFF MEMBERS.
PLEASE TURN OFF ALL ELECTRONIC DEVICES IF YOU HAVEN'T ALREADY DONE SO PURSUANT TO CITY COUNCIL RESOLUTION NUMBER ONE 14 DASH SEVEN NINE, A COMMISSIONER WHO HAS RECEIVED EVIDENCE RELATED TO A MATTER BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION, OTHER THAN AN UNDERSCORED VIEW OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS REQUIRED TO DISCLOSE SUCH INFORMATION.
AT THIS TIME, WE WILL TAKE COMMENTS FROM ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC ON ANY ITEM, ITEM OF BUSINESS WITHIN THE JURISDICTION OF THE COMMISSION THAT IS NOT ON THE AGENDA UNDER STATE LAW.
NO ACTION CAN BE TAKEN ON ITEMS BROUGHT FORWARD UNDER PUBLIC COMMENT EXCEPT TO REFER IT TO STAFF FOR ADMINISTRATION OR PLACE IT ON A FUTURE AGENDA.
IF THERE'S ANYONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD NOW AND ADDRESS THE COMMISSION UNDER PUBLIC COMMENT, PLEASE DO SO.
DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS PRIOR TO THE MEETING? OKAY.
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WE WILL MOVE ON TO THE CONSENT CALENDAR.A SINGLE MOTION WILL COVER ALL ITEMS ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR.
DOES THE COMMISSION WISH TO PULL ON THE ITEMS STAFF? UH, NO.
DO I HAVE A MOTION? I MOVED TO ADOPT THE MINUTES AS RECORDED ALL SECOND.
MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER SERCO SECRETARY BY COMMISSIONER POLLOCK ROOD, PLEASE VOTE.
CAN WE GET SO THAT, I'M SORRY THAT WE, UH, WE'RE A LITTLE LATE STARTING IT.
CAN I HAVE YOUR VOTE AGAIN? HERE IT IS.
AND JUST FOR THE RECORD, I REVIEWED THE LAST PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING AND SO THAT'S WHY I ADOPTED THE MINUTES.
MOTION CARRIES BY NAME IS BO OF MEMBERS PRESENT.
TONIGHT WE HAVE QUITE A FEW THINGS ON THE AGENDA AND THE FIRST ONE IS THE OAKDALE AND MINT SUBDIVISION.
WE ALSO HAVE A FEW OTHER ITEMS. WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS SUGGEST TO THE COMMISSION, UH, MAYBE WITH THE MOTION THAT WE REARRANGE THOSE AND GET RID OF THE OTHER AGENDA ITEMS FIRST SO THAT WE CAN GIVE THE SPEAKERS WHO ARE HERE ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO, THE ALL THE TIME THEY NEED AND ALLOW THOSE OTHER PEOPLE TO LEAVE THE MEETING IF THEY CHOOSE SO, SO MOVE.
SO I CAN MAKE A MOTION TO CHANGE THE ORDER IN THE SEQUENCE OF DISCUSSION TONIGHT AND SECOND BY COMMISSIONER.
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SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, LET'S JUST GO TO AGENDA ITEM, NUMBER THREE, EVERYONE.THAT'S HERE FOR AGENDA ITEM, NUMBER TWO, WE JUST HAVE SOME BUSINESS TO TAKE CARE OF AND WE'RE GOING TO LET THOSE APPLICANTS COME IN FIRST.
AND THEN YOU GUYS HAVE THE FLOOR FOR THE
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WHOLE NIGHT IF YOU'D LIKE, UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, SORRY, JUST TO CLARIFY.SO WE HAVE A MOTION, UH, BY YOU, UH, TO REARRANGE THE AGENDA TAKING ITEMS THREE, FOUR AND FIVE FIRST, AND THEN MOVING AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO TO THE END OF THE AGENDA.
AND THEN I HAVE A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER.
SO TLA FOR THE MODIFICATION TO THE AGENDA.
UM, STAFF WOULD JUST REQUEST THAT WE VOTE TO CONFIRM THAT A REARRANGEMENT OF THE AGENDA OKAY.
AGENDA ITEM, NUMBER THREE, PUNCHES MEXICAN GRILL TO ESTABLISH ON SALE BEER AND WINE ALCOHOL SALES.
IT IS SECRET EXEMPT AND STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVED STAFF.
UH, THE FIRST ITEM FOR YOUR REVIEW TONIGHT IS PONCHO'S MEXICAN GRILL ON SALE BEER AND WINE.
UH, THE, UH, APPLICANT IS MANUEL ESPINOSA.
THE PROJECT PROPOSES ON SALE BEER AND WINE AT AN EXISTING RESTAURANT WITH DRY FRUIT DRIVE-THROUGH FACILITIES.
UH, THEIR OPERATING HOURS ARE BETWEEN 7:00 AM AND 11:00 PM DAILY.
UH, HOWEVER BEER AND WINE SALES WOULD END AT 9:30 PM.
UH, THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN THE GENERAL COMMERCIAL, UH, GENERAL PLAN DESIGNATION AND ALSO THE GENERAL, UH, COMMERCIAL, UH, ZONING DESIGNATION.
AND THERE IS AN EXISTING CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, WHICH AUTHORIZED THAT DRIVE THROUGH FACILITY AS WELL AS, UH, DISCUSSES INTERCONNECTING ACCESS BETWEEN THAT RESTAURANT AND THE COMMERCIAL, UH, UH, SHOPPING CENTER THAT IS LOCATED.
UH, THIS IS THE SUBJECT, UH, SITE.
IT IS, UH, DIRECTLY NORTH OF, UH, MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, UH, IN THE SOLIDLY COMMERCIAL DISTRICT.
UH, THERE'S ALSO SOME MIXED, UH, MULTIFAMILY AND COMMERCIAL USES ACROSS THE STREET.
THIS IS THE PROVIDED SITE PLAN FOR THE PROJECT.
UM, AGAIN, THIS RESTAURANT HAS EXISTED, UH, AT THIS LOCATION FOR DECADES AND DECADES, AND THEY CAME IN, UH, I BELIEVE IN, UH, THE TWO THOUSANDS FOR THE DRIVE-THROUGH FACILITY.
THIS IS THE PROPOSED FLOOR PLAN.
SO THERE ARE NO CHANGES HERE OTHER THAN THEY'RE CALLING OUT THE POINT OF SALE AT THE SALES COUNTER, AND THEN A COUPLE OF COOLERS WHERE THE BEER AND WINE WOULD BE KEPT IN TERMS OF, UH, REGULATIONS FROM ALCOHOL BEVERAGE CONTROL.
AND THEN OUR RESPONSE FROM EL CAJON POLICE DEPARTMENT, UM, ALCOHOL BEVERAGE CONTROL, UH, AUTHORIZES NINE, UH, ON SALE LICENSES WITHIN THIS CENSUS TRACT.
AND THEY REACHED THAT NUMBER, UH, BY TAKING THE, UH, THE POPULATION OF THE TRACT DIVIDED BY THE, THE RATIO ESTABLISHED FOR SAN DIEGO COUNTY, WHICH I BELIEVE IS, UH, 739, UH, PERSONS.
THEY DIVIDE THAT BY THE ATTRACT POPULATION AND THEY REACH THIS NUMBER.
UH, THERE'S CURRENTLY FOUR AUTHORIZED ON-SELL LOCATIONS, UH, IN THAT TRACT.
HOWEVER, UNLIKE WHAT YOU'RE PROBABLY FAMILIAR WITH WITH OFF SALE, LIKE LIQUOR STORES, UM, UH, THE ZONING CODE DOES NOT, UH, PROHIBIT PLANNING COMMISSION FROM APPROVING, UH, AN ON-SELL LOCATION IN A HIGH CRIME AREA.
UH, POLICE HAS COMMENTED, UH, AND RECOMMENDED APPROVAL AND THAT THIS WOULD HAVE NO IMPACT ON THEIR SERVICES.
UH, FURTHER CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL, UH, REQUIRE THAT THEY, UH, TAKE A RESPONSIBLE BEVERAGE TRAINING, UH, COURSES AND TURN THOSE INTO THE CITY THAT THEY'VE COMPLETED THEM.
UH, IT ALSO, YOU KNOW, GENERALLY REQUIRES COMPATIBILITY.
SO IF THERE'S ANY NUISANCE ISSUES IN THE FUTURE, WE COULD BRING THAT BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO CONSIDER REVOCATION, UM, AND OTHER CONDITIONS, FOR EXAMPLE, REQUIRE THAT ALCOHOL BE SERVED IN CONJUNCTION WITH FOOD SALES.
UH, AND WITH THAT, THE RECOMMENDATION IS TO APPROVE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT NUMBER OF 2022 DASH 0 0 6 0 0 0 6, SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS.
AND WE'RE AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.
UH, ANY QUESTIONS FOR SPENCER? NO, IT SEEMS PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD.
DOES, UM, IS THE APPLICANT HERE? YES.
DO YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? OKAY.
WELL, LET'S GO AHEAD AND OPEN PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, I MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING OTHER SPEAKER CARDS ON THIS ONE, NOT ON THIS ITEM.
I LOOKED AT THE APPLICANT SAID YOU WANT TO COME UP? AND HE SAID, NO, I FIGURED THAT WE WERE DONE.
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I MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING MY SECOND.MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER MOROSE.
DO YOU GUYS OWN THE ONE IN, ON EAST MAIN AS WELL? YEP.
NICE TO HAVE ON WHILE YOU WAIT FOR YOUR FOOD.
WELL, YOU GUYS HAVE GREAT FOOD.
ANY, UH, COMMENTS, QUESTIONS ARE CONCERNED.
UM, I'LL MAKE A MOTION, UH, MOVE TO ADOPT THE NEXT RESOLUTION IN ORDER APPROVING THE CUP 2022 A DASH 0 0 0 6.
SO TLA SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER POLLOCK.
RUDE, PLEASE VOTE MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF MEMBERS PRESENT.
I GUESS NOW YOU GOT TO GO TO THE STATE AND DO ALL THAT TYPE OF WORK.
WELL, THANKS FOR DOING BUSINESS HERE IN ELKO AND WE APPRECIATE IT.
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ALL RIGHT.AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR IS BHUTANI FAMILIA PIZZERIA, AND IT IS A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
AND IS TO ESTABLISH ON SALE BEER AND WINE ALCOHOL SALES.
SO VERY SIMILAR TO THE ONE WE JUST REVIEWED.
UH, THIS IS THE BHUTANI FAMILY FAMILIAR PIZZERIA.
UH, THEY'RE REQUESTING ON SELL BEER AND WINE, UH, SUBMITTED BY HAITHAM BOTANI.
UM, THIS, UH, PIZZERIA OPERATES BETWEEN THE HOURS OF 11:00 AM AND 10:00 PM.
IT IS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL GENERAL PLAN DESIGNATION AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL ZONING DESIGNATION, UH, DECIDE ADDRESS IS 6, 6, 5 HAMISH OUR ROAD.
AND YOU'LL SEE HERE, IT'S SURROUNDED PRIMARILY BY, UH, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES TO THE NORTH, A RELIGIOUS FACILITY TO THE EAST, A NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL SHOPPING CENTER TO THE WEST, AND THEN MORE RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL TO THE SOUTH.
THIS IS THE SITE PLAN PROVIDED.
UM, THEY RECENTLY RECEIVED FINAL OF THEIR BUILDING PERMITS TO OPERATE THE PIZZERIA THERE.
AND THIS IS THE PROPOSED FLOOR PLAN, UH, LIMITED SEATING, MOSTLY JUST A SMALL PIZZERIA.
SO IN THIS CASE, UH, ALCOHOL BEVERAGE CONTROL AUTHORIZATIONS ARE EIGHT.
AND AGAIN, THOSE ARE DETERMINED BY THE NUMBER, THE POPULATION IN THAT CENSUS TRACT.
UH, THERE ARE CURRENTLY HOWEVER, UH, EIGHT ACTIVE LICENSES IN THIS CENSUS TRACT.
UM, JUST SIMILAR TO THE DISCUSSION ABOUT CRIME RATE.
THERE'S NOTHING IN THE ZONING CODE THAT WOULD, UH, PROHIBIT PLANNING COMMISSION FROM, UH, MAKING A DECISION TO APPROVE THIS, UH, REQUEST FOR AN ON SALE AT THIS LOCATION.
UM, I WILL NOTE AS WELL THAT, UH, FIVE OF THOSE EIGHT LICENSES ARE WITH, UH, TWO LOCATIONS ONLY.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, ELK'S LODGE HOLDS TWO OF THOSE LICENSES AND THE JUNCTION HOLDS, UH, THREE OF THE LICENSES.
SO THERE'S ONLY FIVE ESTABLISHMENTS THAT HOLD THE EIGHT LICENSES ESSENTIALLY.
UM, POLICE HAVE ALSO, UH, REVIEWED THIS APPLICATION AND RECOMMENDED APPROVAL THAT IT WOULD HAVE NO IMPACT ON THEIR SERVICES, UM, AND NEARLY IDENTICAL CONDITIONS IN THIS CASE THAT, UH, IF THERE'S ANY ONGOING ISSUES THAT THE ITEM COULD COME BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR REVOCATION POTENTIALLY, UH, THAT THEY TAKE THE RESPONSIBLE AVERAGE SERVICE TRAINING COURSES, UH, AND THAT THEY GENERALLY COMPLY WITH ALL THE CONDITIONS AND ZONING CODE REQUIREMENTS.
UH, AND WITH THAT, THE RECOMMENDATION IS TO APPROVE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT NUMBER 2022 DASH 0 0 0 7, SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS.
AND WE'RE HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
WITH ABC HAVING EIGHT LICENSES, WOULD THE ABC ALSO BE DETERMINING WHETHER OR NOT TO GRANT THIS ADDITIONAL LICENSE? YEAH, THAT'S PART OF THEIR REVIEW, UH, AND JUST, UH, FOR, UH, JUST TO OUT AS WELL THAT, UH, FOR EXAMPLE, THE PARKWAY PLAZA MALL TECHNICALLY HAS AN OVERCONCENTRATION OF ON SALE AS DOES THE DOWNTOWN AREA.
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UH, APPROVE, UH, AN OVERCONCENTRATION AS THE PLANNING COMMISSION CAN.UH, WHY WOULD A SINGLE LOCATION HAVE MORE THAN ONE LICENSE FOR WHAT PURPOSE? UH, SO FOR EXAMPLE, UM, CERTAIN TYPES OF ON-SELL LICENSES ALLOW CONTRACTORS TO COME INTO A LOCATION TO SERVE ALCOHOL.
UH, THAT WOULD BE ONE EXAMPLE.
SO FOR ELK'S LODGE, UH, IN THEIR CASE, THEY MIGHT HAVE A LICENSE THAT ALLOWS, UH, SOMEONE TO COME AND SERVE ALCOHOL AT ONE OF THEIR EVENTS, UH, WHERE THEY ARE NOT ACTUALLY SERVING THE ALCOHOL THEMSELVES.
UM, THAT'S ONE CASE, UH, IN SOME INSTANCES, UH, DUE TO THE TYPE OF ALCOHOL THAT'S SERVED, IT MIGHT BE A DIFFERENT, UH, LICENSING REQUIREMENT.
SO, SO TO UNDERSTAND, SO THEY, THEY MAY HAVE TWO LICENSES, ONE COULD BE FOR BEER AND WINE, AND ONE IS FOR WHEN THEY HAVE CATERERS COME IN AND SERVE ALCOHOL.
AND THEN ONE COULD BE FOR WHAT'S, IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE THEY HAVE HARD ALCOHOL, WHICH I WOULD ASSUME IS A DIFFERENT LICENSE.
AND THAT'S THE SAME THING FOR THE JUNCTION.
THEY PROBABLY HAVE TO HAVE ALL THREE.
SO REALLY WE'VE GOT FIVE BUSINESSES OUT AND NINE IS THE EXCEPT, YOU KNOW, THE KIND OF THE STANDARD.
SO YEAH, FIVE BUSINESSES HOLDING EIGHT LICENSES.
UH, ANY QUESTIONS? MORE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.
UH, DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS ON THIS ITEM? NONE FOR THIS ITEM.
IS THE APPLICANT HERE TONIGHT? OKAY.
SO I DO NOT SEE THE APPLICANT.
WELL, CLOSE PUBLIC OPEN AND CLOSE IT AGAIN.
I'LL GO AHEAD AND, UH, OPEN PUBLIC HEARING, SEEING THAT THERE'S NONE.
DO YOU HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING? I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER.
SO TLA SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER SERCO PLEASE VOTE.
MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF MEMBERS PRESENT.
IT'S NOT VERY MANY SEATS THOUGH, SO I DON'T KNOW IF THEY WOULD DO A LOT OF, TO GO BUSINESS, BUT ALL RIGHT.
ANY, UH, COMMENTS, LET ME, IF NOT, THEN I MOVED TO ADOPT THE NEXT RESOLUTION IN ORDER APPROVING CUP 2 0 2 2 DASH 0 0 0 7.
MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER MOROSE, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER SERCO.
MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTES OF MEMBERS PRESENT.
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ALL RIGHT.AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FIVE, PROJECT NAME
THIS IS A NEW COMMON INTEREST DEVELOPMENT FOR THREE SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED RESIDENCE.
THE PROJECT NUMBER IS PUD 2 0 2 0 DASH 0 0 1 WITH 10 OF PARCEL MAP 2 0 2 1 DASH 0 0 0 2 STAFF.
UH, SO YEAH, THIS IS THE NEURONTIN THREE UNIT DEVELOPMENT SUBMITTED BY ROBBIE MIKA.
THE PROJECT PROPOSES A COMMON INTEREST DEVELOPMENT.
SO THAT WOULD MEAN THE ESTABLISHMENT OF AN HOA WITH CCNRS.
UH, IT PROPOSES THREE DETACHED SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES WITH TWO CAR, UH, ATTACHED GARAGES, UH, PRIVATE YARDS.
AND THROUGH THE TINTED A PARCEL MAP, THIS WOULD BE A FOUR LOT SUBDIVISION.
SO THE THREE RESIDENTIAL LOTS PLUS A COMMON LOT FOR THE DRIVEWAY AND COMMON PARKING OR GUEST PARKING.
UH, AND THAT WOULD ALSO INCLUDE A MAINTENANCE EASEMENT, UH, THAT THE HOA WOULD LOOK OVER THE, THE DRIVEWAYS, THE PARKING, AND SOME OF THE LANDSCAPING.
THE GENERAL PLAN DESIGNATION IS LOW DENSITY, RESIDENTIAL L R A.
IT HAS A, UH, CONFORMING ZONING DESIGNATION OF RM 6,000.
THAT'S THE RESIDENTIAL AND MULTIFAMILY 6,000 SQUARE FOOT ZONE, UH, CALCULATED OUT IT'S APPROXIMATELY SEVEN DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE, WHICH IS WELL WITHIN THE EXPECTED DENSITY OF THE LR DESIGNATION IN THE GENERAL PLAN, WHICH IS BETWEEN THREE AND 10 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE.
THE PROJECT SITE IS 18,808 SQUARE FEET, OR JUST SHY OF HALF AN ACRE.
HOWEVER, THERE WAS A, A SINGLE FAMILY HOME THERE THAT WAS, UH, QUITE DILAPIDATED IN, UH, AN ONGOING CODE ENFORCEMENT ISSUE.
UM, THAT WAS RECENTLY DEMOLISHED.
UH, AND THE PROJECT SITE IS ADJACENT TO FORRESTER CREEK AND THERE'S A LARGE EASEMENT AREA THAT YOU'LL SEE ON THE SITE PLAN, UH, FOR FORRESTER CREEK.
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IN THE, UH, THE STAFF REPORT.UM, THE PAT ELEVATIONS OF THE HOMES ARE ABOVE THE, UH, THE BASE FLOOD ELEVATION, UH, PER FEMA.
UH, AND SO THERE'S NO CONCERN THERE, UH, OR NO SPECIAL REQUIREMENTS OTHER THAN CERTIFICATIONS FOR THOSE PAD ELEVATIONS FOR FLOODING.
IT WAS, IT WAS ADDRESS 1325 NEURONTIN AVENUE, UM, TO THE NORTH THERE'S, UH, A HANDFUL MORE RM 6,000 ZONE, LOTS JUST UP THE STREET.
THERE'S ANOTHER PLAN, UNIT DEVELOPMENT, UH, ALMOST IDENTICAL TO THIS THREE UNITS, COMMON LOT FOR A DRIVEWAY, UM, TO THE SOUTH.
YOU HAD THE INTERSTATE EIGHT, UH, EAST ARM, 6,000 SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES, AND TO THE WEST, THERE'S A CG ZONE PROPERTY WITH, UH, TWO HOMES.
AND, UH, UM, I BELIEVE IT'S A VACUUM SHOP OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THIS IS THE PRO PROS SITE PLAN.
UM, SO THE THREE UNITS ARE ESSENTIALLY THE SAME DESIGN, JUST ORIENTED DIFFERENTLY.
UM, THERE'S A COMMON DRIVEWAY DOWN THE MIDDLE WITH A GUEST PARKING OFF OF THAT.
ALL THE GARAGES ARE ACCESSED OFF THAT PRIVATE DRIVEWAY.
AND THEN AGAIN, THE LARGE EASEMENT AREA TO THE REAR.
THIS IS THE PROPOSED TENTATIVE MAP.
UH, AND YOU CAN SEE, UH, THOSE LOT LINES, HOW THEY'RE LAID OUT, UH, THE LOTS RANGE FROM ABOUT 3,842 SQUARE FEET TO 5,252 SQUARE FEET.
AND THAT RANGE IS LARGELY KIND OF DETERMINED BY THE LARGE EASEMENT AREA.
SOME OF THOSE LOTS HAVE CONTAIN A LOT MORE AREA THAN THE OTHERS WITH ONE EXCEPTION.
THE PROPOSED PUD, UH, MEETS ALL THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, UH, THE PDS, UH, UH, ZONING CODE.
SO IN TERMS OF DENSITY, WE DISCUSSED IT'S ABOUT SEVEN DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE SETBACKS, UM, REQUIRE A 20 FEET PROPOSES 20 FEET FOR THE FRONT GARAGE IS 20 FEET PROPOSED IS 20 FEET.
UH, AND THEN THE OTHER SETBACKS ARE DETERMINED BY THE PUD ITSELF.
SO THE REAR YARDS ARE ABOUT 14 FEET INSIDE.
YARDS OF PROPOSED AT ABOUT FIVE FEET IS FAIRLY CONSISTENT WITH THE ARMS 6,000 ZONE AS A WHOLE.
UM, IN TERMS OF BUILDING HEIGHT, THE PROPOSED HEIGHT IS 20 FEET IN LINE WITH THE ARMS 6,000 ZONE, UH, IN TERMS OF, UH, COVERED IN VISITOR PARKING.
THIS MEETS THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS, UM, TO COVER PARKING SPACES IN ONE GUEST SPACE PER UNIT, UH, WASTE COLLECTION IS INDIVIDUAL, UH, INDIVIDUAL COLLECTIONS.
SO THEY HAVE, UH, A CONCRETE PAD SHOWN ON THE PLANS FOR WHERE THAT WOULD BE STORED.
UM, THE FENCING IN THIS CASE, IT'S PROPOSED TO HAVE A SIX FOOT, UH, BOUNDARY FENCE.
IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT, UH, WE SEE SOME OTHER PUD DEVELOPMENTS AND PRD DEVELOPMENTS WITH THE PROPOSED CMU WALL INSTEAD OF A FENCE IN A LOT OF CASES.
UM, BUT THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT THE PUD, UH, REQUIRES EITHER A FENCE OR WALL, UH, OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENTS ARE MET, UH, OPEN SPACE RANGES FROM ABOUT 1025 TO 1,800 SQUARE FEET PER UNIT.
UM, THE STREET AND DRIVEWAYS MEET THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS OF 24 FOOT WIDE FOR BACKUP SPACE AND TRAVERSING.
AND THEN, UH, LIGHTING A LIGHTING PLAN IS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL SUBMITTED WITH THE BUILDING PERMIT.
THE ONE EXCEPTION IS FOR A CONCRETE SIDEWALK.
SO THE PUD ZONING CODE SECTION, UH, STATES THAT GUEST PARKING SHOULD HAVE A POURED CONCRETE SIDEWALK TO EACH OF THE UNITS, UH, IN, IN THE CASE OF SUCH A SMALL DEVELOPMENT, UH, THAT ACCESS HAS JUST PROVIDED IN THE SHARED DRIVEWAY, ESSENTIALLY.
UM, YOU'LL NOTE ON THE ELEVATIONS THAT A SHALLOW PITCH FOR THE ROOF TO MEET THAT 20 FOOT HEIGHT LIMIT.
UM, THE DESIGN IS PRIMARILY STUCCO FINISH WITH KIND OF HEAVY, BOLD TREMOR ON THE WINDOWS AND DOOR FEATURES.
UM, THE PROPOSED COLOR SCHEME IS BROWN AND TAN OR TONES.
AND THEN, UH, IT MEETS ALL THE ZONING CODE REQUIREMENTS FOR VARIATION WALL PLAINS, UH, FOR SOME VISUAL INTEREST.
AND SO HERE ARE THE PROPOSED, UH, ELEVATIONS.
I WASN'T SURE WHEN I WAS ORIGINALLY LOOKING AT THIS, UM, I WASN'T SURE WHY THOSE COLORS LOOK SO FAMILIAR, AND THEN I PUT IT ON THE SLIDE AND I BECAME IMMEDIATELY APPARENT, UM, SORRY.
THEY MATCHED OUR COLOR SCHEME FOR OUR POWERPOINT.
UM, SO, UH, THE RECOMMENDATION IS THAT PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMEND THAT CITY COUNCIL APPROVE, UH, THE SEQUENCE EXEMPTION FOR INFILL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, UNIT DEVELOPMENT, 2020 DASH 0 0 0 1.
AND TENTATIVE PARCEL MAP 20, OH, SORRY, 2021 DASH 0 0 0 2 SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS.
AND WE'RE HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.
CAN YOU PUT THE, A SITE PICTURE, THE, LIKE THE SATELLITE PICTURE BACK UP FOR ME PLEASE? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
SO QUESTION, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S
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A LOT OF LOTS THERE THAT HAVE MORE THAN ONE DWELLING ON IT.UM, THE, MOST OF THE HOUSES UP THERE ARE THEY ALL SEPARATED BY WOOD FENCES FOR THE MOST PART, ARE VINYL, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, I'D SAY SO.
AND SO WITH KEEPING THE WOOD FENCE THERE, I'M ASSUMING THAT IT WOULD JUST KIND OF MATCH THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD INSTEAD OF, UH, CMU, WHICH YOU KNOW, IS A LOT OF TIMES USE BETWEEN RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL.
I KNOW, BUT I WONDER IF IT WOULD BE BETTER TO HAVE THAT WOOD FENCE THERE TO KIND OF MATCH THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU KNOW, YOU WOULD GO INTO A NEIGHBORHOOD AND THERE'S A BIG, YOU KNOW, BRICK WALL AROUND ONE HOUSE, BUT NOT AROUND 40 OF THEM, YOU KNOW? SO I LIKE THAT YOU HAVE THAT FLEXIBILITY FOR THAT.
THAT MAKES SENSE THAT YOU DIDN'T JUST STICK THEM WITH THAT.
UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMENTS? OKAY.
UH, DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS? NONE FOR THIS ITEM IS APPLICANT HERE TONIGHT? COME ON DOWN.
LET'S GO AHEAD AND OPEN PUBLIC HEARING.
CAN YOU GIVE US YOUR NAME, SPELL YOUR LAST NAME? UH, MY NAME IS ROBBIE.
HOW ARE YOU DOING TONIGHT? GOOD.
HOW'S THE PROCESS BEEN FOR YOU GETTING THIS THING DONE? IT'S STICKING TO IN HONG KONG, BUT FINALLY AT LEAST.
WELL, I'M GLAD THAT WE COULD HELP YOU OUT.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU READ ALL THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL.
AND IF YOU HAD ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT, UM, OR CONCERNS OR YOU'RE OKAY WITH, WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS.
UH, ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR? UH, LIKE, UH, OH, OKAY.
WELL, UH, IT PROJECT LOOKS NICE.
UM, ARE YOU GOING TO KEEP THE ALL THREE HOUSES, THE SAME COLOR? YOU'RE GOING TO MIX COLOR SCHEMES UP.
SAM, WHATEVER THE PLANNING TELL ME I WILL DO EXACTLY THE SAME.
I REALLY APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT YOU ARE KEEPING THE EXISTING TREE.
I DON'T THINK IT'S AFFECTING THE BUILDING SO WE'LL KEEP IT.
AND IT'S SO HARD TO KEEP TREES, ESPECIALLY OLD GROWTH TREES.
THAT'S GOING TO PROVIDE SHADE ACROSS THAT ALL AFTERNOON.
WELL, WE'RE, WE'RE HAPPY TO HAVE YOU ADD IN SOME MORE, SOME MORE SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS HERE.
THAT'S GOOD FOR GOOD NEIGHBORHOODS.
UM, WOULD ANYONE ELSE, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? NICE LOOKING BUILDINGS.
ANYBODY ELSE CARE TO COME DOWN AND SPEAK ON THIS AGENDA ITEM? COME ON DOWN, COME DOWN.
AND THEN WHEN YOU'RE DONE SPEAKING, JUST FILL OUT A SPEAKER CARD FOR US WOULD BE GREAT.
GIVE US YOUR NAME, SPELLING OF YOUR LAST NAME, IF YOU DON'T MIND.
UH, MY NAME IS JAVIER DELERY L A D E L R E L.
AND, UM, I WAS BLESSED ENOUGH TO PURCHASE A HOME AND IT'S THE ONE RIGHT NEXT TO THE, UH, THE PROPERTY OF MR. REBBIE.
WE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE KIND OF, UH, MY QUESTION IS, UH, JUST THE PARKING, HOW THE PARKING WAS GOING TO BE SET UP, CAUSE I'M GOING TO BE RIGHT NEXT TO HIM.
SO I WAS TRYING TO LOOK AT THE DEVELOPMENT, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF MAYBE YOU GUYS CAN KIND OF GIVE ME AN IDEA OF WHAT I'M LOOKING AT ONCE YOU PULL THAT BACK UP AND WALKING THROUGH IT, IF YOU DON'T MIND.
UM, SO IT'LL BE A LITTLE BIT HARD WITHOUT A POINTER HERE.
UM, BUT ESSENTIALLY, UH, SO THE, TO THE NORTH OF THIS PLAN IS NEUROTIC AVENUE.
YOU WOULD INTERRUPT A NEURON AND, UM, ESSENTIALLY THE FIRST HOME, UH, HAS, UH, THEY ALL HAVE TWO PARKING SPACES.
SO BASICALLY WHERE THOSE HOMES TOUCH THAT PRIVATE DRIVEWAY, THE HATCHED AREA, UM, THAT'S WHERE THE GARAGE IS ESSENTIALLY IS.
UM, SO IN THAT FIRST UNIT, IT'D BE, I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN GET MY, IF I STAND UP AND POINT, IS THAT OKAY? I'LL JUST, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.
SO THE FIRST INTEREST IS HERE FOR A TWO CAR GARAGE, SECOND INSURANCE HERE, OR TWO CAR GARAGE, THIRD ENTRANCE HERE, OR TWO CAR GARAGE.
AND THEN THERE'S ONE GUEST PARKING SPACE HERE, ONE GUEST PARKING SPACE HERE, AND ONE GUEST PARKING SPACE BETWEEN THESE TWO HOMES.
SO A TOTAL OF, UH, NINE PARKING SPACES.
SO RIGHT TO YOUR, TO THE LEFT A LITTLE BIT TO THE LEFT THAT YOU'RE LIFTING RIGHT THERE IS MY HOUSE.
SO WHAT'S GOING TO BE DIVIDING MY PROPERTY IN THERE.
SO THERE'LL BE A WOOD FENCE HERE, A LONG RETAINING WALL, RIGHT ALONG RIGHT HERE.
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ALRIGHT.I JUST DIDN'T KNOW THAT WAS GOING TO BE A PARKING OR SOMETHING.
WELL, YOU KNOW, IT'S NICE AS HE'S ACTUALLY PARKED EVERYTHING INSIDE THE, THE PROPERTY, WHICH IS GREAT.
IT'S YOU DON'T SEE A LOT OF THREE PARKED.
BUILT DEVELOPMENTS ANYMORE, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD BECAUSE WE STILL HAVE CARS.
UM, BUT SO I THINK THAT WAS A, A GOOD MOVE THERE.
THAT WAS MY ONLY QUESTION AND STUFF, SO RIGHT.
THERE'S NO ONE ELSE THAT IS COMING DOWN FOR THIS.
I MAKE A MOTION TO CLUB CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING A SECOND.
MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER ROSE SECOND BY COMMISSIONER.
SO TLA, WELL COMMISSIONERS, WHAT DO YOU THINK? WELL, I MOVED TO APPROVE ANYONE WANT TO BANTER ABOUT ANY BANTER? AND NOW THERE'S A BANTER ON THIS ONE.
I THINK WE ALL THINK IT'S FABULOUS.
WHAT DO YOU THINK MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I MAY, I THINK WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO CLOSE THE HEARING.
IF WE COULD, UM, HAVE THE VOTE TO CLOSE THE HEARING THAT'S ON ME.
HEY, IT'S MY FIRST TIME BACK AS CHAIR IN AWHILE.
DEFINITELY KNOCKING THE COBWEBS OFF MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF MEMBERS PRESENT.
I WILL SAY THAT, UH, I LIVE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BLOCK IF INTERSTATE EIGHT, DIDN'T GO THROUGH.
AND SO I'VE WALKED AROUND AND ROLLERBLADE AROUND THE BLOCK AND LOOKED AT THAT PROPERTY AND I SAW HOW BIG THAT WAS.
AND I WAS LIKE, OH, THAT'S SO SWEET.
SO I'M GLAD IT'S GOING INTO SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
THE APPLICANT IS KEEPING THE TREES IN THERE BECAUSE WE NEED MORE TREES.
I LOVE THE VIEW COMING INTO OKON.
AND, UH, SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THAT.
ANYTHING ELSE? FELLOW COMMISSIONERS.
WELL AT THIS TIME THEN, UM, I'D LIKE TO GET A MOTION.
I MOTION TO APPROVE THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT PUD NUMBER 2 20 20 0 0 1 TENTATIVE PARCEL MAP 20 21 0 0 2 SUBJECT TO THERE WEREN'T ANY CONDITIONS ON THAT ONE.
WHERE IS YOUR MIC ON? OH, IT'S ON.
UM, AND THERE WERE NO CONDITIONS ON THAT ONE WHERE THEY'RE SUBJECT TO THE STAFF CONDITIONS, SUBJECT TO THE STAFF CONDITIONS.
I WILL SECOND THAT MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER POLLOCK.
RUDE, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER SERCO PLEASE VOTE AND MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS OF MEMBERS PRESENT.
GOOD LUCK TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
OFF THE CITY COUNCIL, WHICH I'M SURE THEY'LL BE HAPPY TO SEE WHAT YOU'RE DOING AS WELL.
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AND THEN LET'S GET BACK TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO.THIS IS A TWO LOT SUBDIVISION IN THE
IT IS SEQUEL EXEMPT IN STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.
THIS WAS CONTINUED FROM THE LAST PUBLIC HEARING WE HAD.
UM, I DON'T REMEMBER THE DATE ON IT.
UM, STAFF MAY 3RD WAS IT MAY 3RD.
UM, SO, UH, COMMISSIONER, SO TILA IS CORRECT.
UM, THIS ITEM IS A CONTINUED PUBLIC HEARING ORIGINATING FROM, UH, MAY 3RD, 2022 WHEN THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, FIRST HEARD THIS ITEM.
UM, THE PURPOSE FOR THE CONTINUANCE WAS REALLY TO ALLOW THE APPLICANT SUFFICIENT TIME TO LOOK AT ALTERNATIVES AND THEN TO GATHER INFORMATION INCLUDING COST ESTIMATES, UM, AND LOOK AT OPTIONS FOR ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW.
UM, AS YOU MAY RECALL, UH, ONE OF THE ISSUES OF CONTENTION WAS WHETHER OR NOT, UM, THE ROADS, UH, SHOULD BE, SHOULD BE CONSTRUCTED AND GO THROUGH CONNECTING, UM, OAKDALE AND MINT AVENUES.
UM, SO IN RESPONSE TO THE CONTINUANCE, THE APPLICANT DID WORK WITH STAFF.
UH, WE MET, UM, UH, THE FOLLOWING COUPLE OF DAYS AFTER, UH, THE HEARING, UM, THE APPLICANT'S ENGINEER PARTICIPATED AND HE PRODUCED AN ALTERNATIVE SITE PLAN, UH, FOR THE CITY TO EVALUATE ULTIMATELY, UH, THE CITY RESPONDED WITH COMMENTS AND, UH, THE APPLICANT DECIDED NOT TO PROCEED WITH THE ALTERNATIVE PLAN, UM, AND TO GO FORWARD WITH THE PLAN AS WAS PRESENTED AT THE MAY 3RD PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.
SO IN THE NEXT SLIDE HERE, UM, WHAT YOU CAN SEE IS THE ALTERNATIVE PLAN THAT WAS PROPOSED.
AND SO THE ALTERNATIVE PLAN THAT WAS PROPOSED, UM, ESSENTIALLY, UH, IT LEFT IT CLOSED, IT WOULD PROPOSE TO CLOSE THE STREET AND THAT IT PROPOSED TO HAVE, UH, CURBS AND SIDEWALKS BASICALLY ADJACENT TO THE, UM, OPEN, UH, AREA THAT'S THERE RIGHT NOW THAT WOULD BASICALLY
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GO IN FRONT OF WHERE THE ROAD WOULD BE PROPOSED TO GO THROUGH.AND THEN A, UM, A WALL WAS PROPOSED AS WELL, UH, THAT WOULD RESTRICT ACCESS THROUGH AND ACROSS THE PROPERTY TO PREVENT PEOPLE FROM DRIVING ACROSS OR FROM, UM, GAINING ACCESS.
UM, THE, THE PLAN WAS ALSO REVIEWED BY, UM, HEARTLAND, FIRE, AND RESCUE.
AND ONE OF THE ISSUES WITH HEARTLAND, FIRE AND RESCUE IS THAT, UM, A FIRE DEPARTMENT TURNAROUND, UH, FOR FIRE APPARATUS IS REQUIRED.
UH, WHEN YOU HAVE A DRIVEWAY THAT'S IN EXCESS OF 150 FEET.
AND SO THE ISSUE, UH, PROVIDING ACCESS, UH, FROM MINT, UM, NEXT TO, UH, MACON IS THAT, UH, THAT ROAD, AS IT EXISTS IS ESSENTIALLY 150 FEET.
AND SO A TURNAROUND WAS PROPOSED.
THE TURNAROUND WAS SHOWN ON THIS PLAN, UH, BUT, UM, HARTLAND FIRE AND RESCUE DETERMINED THAT IT WASN'T SUFFICIENT AS PROPOSED.
THE OTHER ISSUE WITH THE PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN WAS A THERE'S EXISTING STG, OVERHEAD POWER LINES THAT RUN ALONG THE NORTH SIDE OF THE PLAN, UH, STREET.
AND SO ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT WAS IDENTIFIED AS PART OF THE PRELIMINARY STAFF REVIEW WAS THAT, UH, COORDINATION WITH SDG, WITH REGARDS TO AN EASEMENT WOULD BE NECESSARY TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE, UM, THAT THEY COULD SUPPORT THE PLACEMENT OF THAT WALL AND THE RESTRICTED ACCESS TO THE PROPERTY.
SO ESSENTIALLY WHAT STAFF WAS ABLE TO DO IS JUST TO PROVIDE THOSE HIGH-LEVEL COMMENTS.
UM, AND THE APPLICANT ULTIMATELY SAID, UM, I'VE, I'VE INVESTIGATED THIS, UH, ADDITIONAL OPTION.
I'VE LOOKED AT IT, BUT I DON'T WANT TO INVEST ADDITIONAL TIME IN WORKING WITH MY ENGINEER TO FURTHER REVISE THIS DRAWING.
UM, I'VE MADE THE DECISION THAT I WANT TO GO BACK, UH, GO FORWARD WITH THE ROAD, UH, CONNECTING AND HAVE THE STRAIGHT TWO LOT SUBDIVISION.
SO, UM, SO WHAT I WANT TO DO NOW IS JUST MOVE BACK TO WHAT WAS PROPOSED ON MAY 3RD.
UM, AND, UH, AND SO WE'LL GO THROUGH THE PROJECT DESCRIPTION, THE OVERALL GENERAL PLAN AND ZONING REGULATIONS.
AND THEN, UH, MAYBE AT THE END, I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE ALTERNATIVE PLAN, BUT ESSENTIALLY THE PROJECT DESCRIPTION IS A PROPOSED TWO LOT SUBDIVISION.
UM, THE UNIQUE, UH, SHAPE AND SIZE OF THE PROPERTY IS BECAUSE IT'S FORMER CAL TRANS RIGHT OF WAY, WHICH WAS SOLD TO THE APPLICANT.
UM, THE PROPOSAL IS JUST FOR A STRAIGHT TO LA PARCEL MAP.
UM, SO IT'S THE PREVIOUS APPLICATION THAT WE JUST REVIEWED WAS FOR A PLANT UNIT DEVELOPMENT.
THAT'S WHERE THE PRIVATE ROAD PROVIDING ACCESS TO THE INDIVIDUAL LOTS.
THIS IS JUST A STRAIGHT TWO LOT SUBDIVISION FRONTING ON THE CITY STREET WITH THE RIGHT OF WAY BEING DEDICATED FOR ACCESS.
SO AS CONDITIONED AND PROPOSED BY THE APPLICANT AT THIS TIME, UH, IT IS TO INCLUDE THE STREET IMPROVEMENTS, CONNECTING OAKDALE AND MINT AVENUES.
SO THE GENERAL PLAN DESIGNATION FOR THE PROPERTY IS LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL, AND THE ZONING IS S SIX.
SO THAT'S ONE UNIT PER 6,000 SQUARE FEET OF LOT AREA.
SO THE OVERALL LOT, INCLUDING THE AREA WHERE THE ROADS PROPOSED IS, UM, ABOUT, UH, NINE TENTHS OF AN ACRE OR ABOUT 38,000 SQUARE FEET, UM, CURRENTLY VACANT IT'S, UH, IT'S ALL FLATS AND IT'S SITUATED OBVIOUSLY BETWEEN THOSE TWO STREETS.
WE HAVE FORRESTER CREEK ON THE NORTH, UH, WHICH JUST PROVIDES SOME CONSTRAINTS.
SO HERE YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THAT UNIQUE SHAPE.
UH, THIS IS THE GENERAL PLAN MAP, AGAIN, SHOWING THE LOW DENSITY, RESIDENTIAL GENERAL PLAN DESIGNATION, UH, PRIMARILY SURROUNDED BY, UH, LOW DENSITY, RESIDENTIAL, SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
UM, THERE SOME MULTIFAMILY, UM, DEVELOPMENTS FURTHER TO THE WEST, AS WELL AS, UM, SOME COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES.
ONCE YOU GET OUT TO THE BLUE LINE, WHICH IS EAST MAIN STREET.
SO HERE'S THE AERIAL PHOTOGRAPH OF THE SUBJECT SITES.
UM, IT AGAIN SHOWS THE FLAT TOPOGRAPHY OF THE SURROUNDING SINGLE FAMILY ZONES.
AND THEN OBVIOUSLY, UM, THE ROAD, UM, CONNECTION, UH, WITH OAKDALE ON THE LEFT AND, UH, MINT AVENUE ON THE RIGHT.
SO THAT SITE GOES ALL THE WAY THROUGH TO WHERE THE LINE IS THERE.
SO THE AREA, UM, THAT'S PROPOSED FOR DEVELOPMENT WHEN YOU SUBTRACT OUT THE PROPOSED ROAD EQUATES TO ABOUT 30,000 SQUARE FEET, 20,000, 29,800 SQUARE FEET.
UM, AND THEN THE AREA DEDICATED FOR THE STREET WOULD BE ABOUT 8,500 SQUARE FEET OF LOT AREA.
UM, I WANTED TO NOTE FOR THIS SLIDE, UH, THAT THE BUILDING OUTLINES, UH, FOR THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ARE ONLY SHOWN AS CONCEPTS.
UM, ANY FUTURE DEVELOPMENT WOULD REQUIRE A BUILDING PERMIT, UH, BUT THAT WOULD BE A MINISTERIAL PERMIT APPROVED BY STAFF.
SO THEY COULD MAKE MODIFICATIONS TO THE LOCATIONS OF THE BUILDINGS THAT ARE SHOWN HERE.
UM, THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY ADDITIONAL, UH, PUBLIC HEARINGS, IF THIS WERE TO BE APPROVED, THEY WOULD JUST
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BE TO, UH, VACANT LOTS AND THEN THEY COULD JUST COME IN AND BUILD SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AS THEY SAW FIT.SO IN TERMS OF THE SURROUNDING CONTEXT, AGAIN, THE SITES PRIMARILY ADJACENT TO OTHER SINGLE-FAMILY PARCELS IN THE RS ZONE, UM, SURROUNDING PARCELS ARE, UH, RELATIVELY UNIFORM IN SHAPE AND SIZE.
AND THEN GIVEN THE ZONING CODE STANDARDS FOR STREET FRONTAGE AND THE DEDICATION REQUIREMENTS, UM, ESSENTIALLY WITH A STRAIGHT SUBDIVISION, AS OPPOSED TO THE PLAIN UNIT DEVELOPMENT, IT WOULD REALLY ONLY QUALIFY FOR TWO PARCELS SO I WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE ROAD IMPROVEMENTS AND, UM, A REIMBURSEMENT AGREEMENT THAT IS INCLUDED AS AN ATTACHMENT TO THE STAFF REPORT.
UM, SO TYPICALLY, UM, FOR NEW SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT, A PROPERTY OWNER IS RESPONSIBLE FOR, UM, HALF WITH STREET IMPROVEMENTS.
UH, BUT IN THIS INSTANCE, BECAUSE THE ROAD DOESN'T GO COMPLETELY THROUGH AND THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER OWNS THE ENTIRETY OF THE PLANT PUBLIC ROAD, UH, THE PROJECT IS CONDITIONED, UM, TO BUILD OUT THE ENTIRETY OF THAT ROAD CONNECTING.
SO, UM, STAFF, UM, UNDERSTOOD, UH, THE CONSTRAINTS RELATED TO THAT.
AND SO WE WORKED WITH THE APPLICANT AND THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE ON A REIMBURSEMENT AGREEMENT.
AND SO THE REIMBURSEMENT AGREEMENT, UH, WHAT IT WOULD ALLOW IS THAT IF THE PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH OF THE PLAN STREET, WHERE TO DEVELOP, UM, THAT PROPERTY OWNER, UH, WOULD ESSENTIALLY REIMBURSE THIS APPLICANT, UH, FOR THE COST OF HER, OF THE HALF WITH STREET IMPROVEMENTS, UM, SOUTH OF THE SUBJECT SITE.
SO TYPICALLY, UH, THE TERM FOR REIMBURSEMENT AGREEMENT WAS FIVE YEARS.
UM, THE APPLICANT REACH OUT TO STAFF AND SAID, CAN WE MAKE THAT LONGER? UH, WE WORK WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND WE AGREED TO EXTEND THAT UP TO SEVEN YEARS.
UM, BUT THAT WOULD GIVE HIM THE OPPORTUNITY TO, LIKE I SAID, UH, RECOVER SOME OF THOSE COSTS, UH, FROM DEVELOPMENT.
SO JUST SO I UNDERSTAND, I UNDERSTAND THIS, AND MAYBE YOU CAN PULL UP THE MAP.
IS THERE ANOTHER SLICE OF LAND THAT WAS CALTRANS OR IS THIS JUST IF THE NEXT NEIGHBOR DECIDES TO PULL A PERMIT, THEY'RE GOING TO BE FORCED TO NOT FORCE, BUT THERE'LL BE INCLUDED IN THAT.
SO THE PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH, UM, IS ACTUALLY ALSO A FORMER CALTRANS PROPERTY THAT WAS PURCHASED BY THE ADJACENT SINGLE FAMILY HOMEOWNER.
I BELIEVE THAT SHE'S PRESENT IN THE AUDIENCE THAT I SPOKE AT THE PREVIOUS HEARING.
UM, BUT IT IS, UM, AVAILABLE FOR DEVELOPMENT.
AND IF IT WERE TO DEVELOP THAT'S WHEN, UM, IF THE APPLICANT DECIDES TO MOVE FORWARD, SIGN THE AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY THAT, UH, WE COULD COMPEL THE REIMBURSEMENT.
UH, WHAT HAPPENS, UH, AFTER SEVEN YEARS AFTER SEVEN YEARS, THERE WOULD BE NO REQUIREMENT FROM THE CITY FOR REIMBURSEMENT.
SO THE APPLICANT WOULD JUST BE COMPELLED TO, UM, ABSORB THE COSTS FROM THE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS.
SO THAT'S THE WINDOW BASICALLY, I GUESS, IF OKAY.
JUST A COUPLE MORE ITEMS IF I MAY.
UM, SO, UM, THE PROJECT IS EXEMPT FROM THE CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ACT UNDER AS AN INFILL PROJECT.
AND SO THIS IS KIND OF ONE OF THE IMPORTANT DISTINCTIONS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT AT THE LAST HEARING.
AND SO AN INFILL EXEMPTION FROM SEQUENCE SAYS THAT YOU HAVE TO BE UNDER FIVE ACRES.
YOU HAVE TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE GENERAL PLAN AND COMPLY WITH OTHER ZONING ORDINANCE AND DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS.
AND SO, UH, ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT WE TALKED ABOUT AT THE LAST HEARING WAS THAT, UM, IF THE ROAD WERE PROPOSED TO BE ELIMINATED FROM THE GENERAL PLAN, UM, THE APPLICANT WOULD HAVE TO DO A GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT.
AND IF THE APPLICANT PROPOSED A GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT, THIS SECRET EXEMPTION WOULD NOT APPLY.
AND SO THE APPLICANT WOULD NEED TO GO THROUGH AND DO A MORE DETAILED ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW IN ORDER TO, UM, LOOK AT ISSUES OF ACCESS OR, YOU KNOW, PLANNED, UM, DELIVERY OF SERVICES THROUGH FIRE AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, AND ANY OTHER IMPACTS THAT MAY BE ASSOCIATED.
SO IT'S DIFFICULT FOR STAFF TO BE ABLE TO DESCRIBE ALL THOSE WITHOUT GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS.
SO ONE OF THE CHALLENGING THINGS I WOULD SAY WITH THE ALTERNATIVE PLAN IS THAT WE'VE LOOKED AT IT AT A HIGH LEVEL, BUT, BUT WE CAN'T GIVE YOU ALL OF THE DETAILS OF WHAT WOULD BE REQUIRED, UH, BECAUSE HE HASN'T GONE THROUGH PROCESS AND WE HAVEN'T SOLICITED, UM, THOSE COMMENTS.
UM, BUT ULTIMATELY, UM, THE APPLICANT CHOSE NOT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT.
SO THIS IS AS PROPOSED EXEMPT FROM SEEQUA.
AND SO IN ORDER TO MAKE THE FINDINGS FOR THE MAP, UM, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL, UH, BECAUSE, UH, IT DOES COMPLY WITH THE GENERAL PLAN AND THE ZONING AND THE ROAD IS PLANNED TO GO THROUGH.
SO, UH, THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION AS SHOWN HERE IS JUST TO ADOPT THE NEXT RESOLUTIONS IN ORDER APPROVING
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THE SEQUEL EXEMPTION, AND THEN THE TENTATIVE PARCEL MAP, UH, SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS IN THE STAFF REPORT.AND JUST SO I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY, THIS WILL BE, THIS IS THE FINAL, THE MAP WILL BE DONE.
HE STILL HAS TO GO TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND SHOW THE PLANS, SHOW THE STREET, THE STREET DOESN'T GO IN UNTIL THE PROJECT GOES ON.
SO ESSENTIALLY, IF THIS ACTION IS APPROVED TONIGHT, UM, AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF, UM, THE TENTATIVE PERSONAL MAP WOULD BE APPROVED.
AND SO THE APPLICANT WOULD SUBMIT TO THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT FOR THE FINAL MAP, AND THEN THERE WOULD BE THE REQUIREMENTS TO BUILD THE ROAD IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT OF ONE SINGLE FAMILY, HOME, TWO SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, OR EVEN SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS.
UH, BUT IT WOULD ALL BE DONE AT THE SAME TIME, MORE THAN LIKELY WHEN THE HOUSES WERE BEING BUILT.
I MEAN, IN OTHER WORDS, IS THAT CON WHAT TRIGGERS THE ROAD? DOES IT IMMEDIATELY GO IN OR IS IT WHEN YOU START YOUR PROJECT, THE ROADS GOT TO GO IN KIND OF THING.
HOW'S THAT WORK? IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
I MEAN, I THINK I'M BEING CLEAR.
I JUST, SO REPEAT THAT QUESTION AGAIN.
SO BASICALLY ONCE IT'S APPROVED AND THEN IN THE NEW MAP FINALIZED, AND HE DOESN'T BUILD, LET'S SAY FOR TWO YEARS, WE'RE NOT PUTTING IN THE STREET THE NEXT DAY, WE'RE PUTTING THE STREET IN WHEN THE CONSTRUCTION PROJECT STARTS, CORRECT? YEAH.
SO BEFORE HE GETS A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY FOR THE BUILDING, THAT'S WHEN HE WOULD HAVE TO PUT US IN IMPROVEMENTS PRIOR TO THAT.
UH, ANY QUESTIONS? UM, I DO HAVE ONE, I, UH, DID GOOGLE EARTH AND IN THE CORNER OF, UM, UH, DURHAM AND OAKDALE AND THE SOUTH WEST CORNER, THERE'S A FIRE HYDRANT.
AND ALSO I LOOKED AT THE MAP AND THE DISTANCE BETWEEN OAKDALE AND MINT, WHERE IT'S NOT DEVELOPED AS 131 FEET.
AND THE FIRE TRUCKS, UM, WATER HOSES ARE A THOUSAND FEET.
UH, WHY WOULD THEY NEED AN ACCESS TO TURN IT AROUND? IF THERE'S NO STREET GOING TO BE BUILT SINCE THE THOUSAND FEET WOULD BE MORE THAN SUFFICIENT TO FIGHT A FIRE? I DON'T KNOW THE SPECIFIC ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION.
I DO KNOW THAT IN CONJUNCTION WITH DEVELOPMENT REVIEWS AND IN COORDINATION WITH THE FIRE MARSHALL AND HEARTLAND FIRE, THE STANDARD FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IS, UH, WHEN YOU HAVE A DEAD IN THE STREET IN EXCESS OF 150 FEET.
SO I THINK IT, UM, ALTHOUGH, UM, THE FIRE HOSES CAN GO MUCH FURTHER THAN 150 FEET.
I THINK IT IS AN ISSUE OF, UM, ACCESS FOR THE FIRE APPARATUS, THE FIRE TRUCK, AND BEING ABLE TO SUFFICIENTLY AND SAFELY MANEUVER THAT TRUCK IN AND OUT OF A DEVELOPMENT.
UM, THERE'S THE, AND THAT CORNER A FIRETRUCK AND TURN, I MEAN, THERE'S PLENTY OF ROOM TO DO THAT WHERE DURHAM AND OAKDALE MEET.
UM, SO WHAT I WAS TRYING TO REFERENCE IN, UM, IN THE REVIEW OF THE ALTERNATIVE PLAN WAS THAT ESSENTIALLY WE'RE MINT, UH, FOR MAKING ON THAT CORNER IS APPROXIMATELY 150 FEET OVER TO WHERE, UH, THE ALTERNATIVE PLAN PROPOSED TO HAVE THE DRIVEWAY ACCESS.
AND SO THAT'S WHERE, WHEN HEARTLAND FIRE LOOKED AT THAT PLAN, THEY SAID, OKAY, THAT'S MORE THAN 150 FEET NOW THAT YOU HAVE THE DRIVEWAY GOING BACK.
SO WE NEED TO HAVE THE TURNAROUND, WHEREAS, UH, WITH THE ROADS CONNECTING, UM, IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, UH, BEING IN FRONT OF THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, UM, THEY HAVE THAT A HUNDRED, WELL, THERE'S NO NEED FOR A FIRE DEPARTMENT TURNAROUND BECAUSE OF THE CIRCULAR, THE CIRCULATION IN AND AROUND THAT SUBDIVISION.
AND THEN A FIRE LOOKED AT THE EXTENT AND DEPTH OF THOSE LOTS AND CONFIRM THAT BASED ON THE LENGTH OF THEIR HOSES, THAT THEY CAN PROVIDE A FIRE SERVICE TO THE, TO THE BACK OF THOSE LOTS.
AND WE'RE EXACTLY WHERE THE, WHERE THE WALL WAS GOING TO BE.
I'M SORRY, CAN YOU REPEAT THAT? BUT EXACTLY.
WHERE WAS THE WALL GOING TO BE BUILT? YEAH, THAT'D BE A GREAT IDEA.
MAYBE THE ONE, THE, UH, THE ONE THEY ACTUAL A MAP.
YOU WANT TO SEE THE ACTUAL SATELLITE MAP? YES.
GO TO THE SATELLITE ONE WHO SHOW US WHERE THE WALL WAS GOING TO BE BUILT.
AND WHERE WOULD THAT BE ON THE, UH, SPENCER, IF YOU WANT TO GO TO THAT ONE? UH, SO ESSENTIALLY WE'RE THE SITE, THE VACANT SITE IS, UM, IS RIGHT NOW, IT WOULD BE SETBACK, UM, APPROXIMATELY 20 FEET FROM WHERE THE ROAD BARRICADES ESSENTIALLY ARE.
SO THE WALL WOULD BE BLOCKING A FIRE PROTECTION FROM THAT CORNERS, THE ONE 50 TO ONE 50.
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CHALLENGING THING WITH THE ALTERNATIVE PLAN WAS, UM, THE ISSUE WITH FIRE DEPARTMENT ACCESS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT CAME UP WHEN WE WERE ROUTING WAS, UH, WHY NOT JUST SUBDIVIDE THE LOT DOWN THE MIDDLE AND HAVE ONE PROPERTY ACCESS OFF OF OAKDALE AND THE OTHER PROPERTY ACCESS OFF OF MINT.BUT THE ISSUE THERE IS THAT YOU HAVE, UM, IF THAT WERE TO BE PROPOSED, YOU STILL HAVE THE FIRE ACCESS ISSUE, UH, FROM MAKING TO THE TERMINUS OF MINT.
CAUSE YOU'RE STILL EXCEEDING THAT 150, SO YOU STILL NEED TO HAVE SOME SORT OF FIRE TURNAROUND.
SO WE BRAINSTORMED ALL OF THESE ISSUES WITH THE APPLICANT, AS WELL AS THEIR ENGINEER.
AND, UM, TRIED TO POINT OUT ALL THESE ISSUES, ESPECIALLY AS WELL WITH THE OVERHEAD UTILITY LINES AND THE ACCESS.
UM, THEY ULTIMATELY CAME BACK WITH THIS ALTERNATIVE PLAN, WHICH WE COMMENTED ON.
UH, BUT THERE COULD HAVE BEEN A RANGE OF OPTIONS.
THEY COULD HAVE LOOKED AT OTHER FIRE DEPARTMENT TURNAROUND OPTIONS, UM, WITH, YOU KNOW, THE LOT GOING DOWN THE MIDDLE, BUT ULTIMATELY THEY SAID, UM, WE DON'T WANT TO PROCEED ANY FURTHER.
WE WANT TO GO BACK TO WHAT WAS, UM, YOU KNOW, BROUGHT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION ON MAY 3RD.
SO OBVIOUSLY THERE WOULD BE A TON OF OPTIONS THAT COULD BE EXPLORED.
IT'S JUST, THAT HAS STAFF WERE TASKED WITH BRINGING FORWARD WHAT THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO BRING TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND EVALUATING THAT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. LV? OKAY.
WELL, AT THIS TIME, I'M SURE WE HAVE SOME SPEAKER CARDS.
SO WHY DON'T WE START WITH OPENING THE PUBLIC HEARING AND HEARING SOME SPEAKERS AND WE HAVE A TOTAL OF FOUR SPEAKER CARDS.
CAN I GET DELCY SHAHAB TO SPEAK, PLEASE? HOW ARE YOU? GOOD.
I DO HAVE A QUICK QUESTION FOR YOU WHEN YOU LEFT HERE LAST TIME YOU MENTIONED YOU WERE GOING TO MAYBE REACH OUT AND TALK TO SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS.
AND I WAS JUST CURIOUS IF THAT EVER TOOK PLACE.
YES, ACTUALLY I, UH, REACHED OUT ON A FACEBOOK GROUP PLATFORM AND I, UH, MENTIONED ABOUT THE COST AND THE COST WAS SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY I DON'T HAVE AND ASK FOR SUPPORT.
UNFORTUNATELY, DIDN'T GET A RESPONSE.
UH, AND THEN THAT POINT, DOES IT DECISION TO MAKE, MOVE FORWARD WITH THE FIRST PLAN AS PROPOSED? OKAY.
AND I NOTICED YOU DID A TRY ANOTHER ENGINEERED DRAWING AND IT LOOKS LIKE, AND THEN IT WAS JUST, IT WASN'T MAKING IT.
NO, THEY DIDN'T WORK OUT DUE TO THE COST.
UH, I LOOK FOR ANY TYPE OF GRANTS.
I SHOULD'VE BROKEN MAN THE LAST TIME.
UNFORTUNATELY, I'M NOT QUALIFIED FOR IT.
UH, DUE TO, I DON'T HAVE ANY BUILDER EXPERIENCE.
UH, THAT WAS THE STRAW FOR ME IS, YOU KNOW WHAT, UH, AT THAT POINT IT'S JUST MOVING FORWARD.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? OKAY.
I APPRECIATE YOU REACHING OUT.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, TRYING TO GET SOMETHING DONE THERE.
I LIVE AT 1550 MINT AVENUE, WHICH IS RIGHT NEXT TO THE LOT EAST OF LOT.
UM, I WAS HERE LAST TIME FOR THE LAST MEETING.
UM, I AM HERE TODAY REPRESENTING ALL OF OUR NEIGHBORS THAT CAN'T BE HERE, UM, TO OPPOSE DELL'S PLAN AND HAVING THE ROAD GO ALL THE WAY THROUGH.
UM, I'M NOT GONNA GO OVER EVERYTHING AGAIN.
UM, I WILL TELL YOU IN PROBABLY THE LAST 45 DAYS.
SO SOMETIME AFTER, UM, OUR LAST MEETING, THE FENCE BETWEEN THE LOT AND MY HOUSE IS, IS BROKEN IN THE 45 DAYS THAT THAT'S BEEN BROKEN.
WE'VE HAD MORE DRUG ACTIVITY IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE, WHICH I HAVE, UM, POLICE REPORTS AND PICTURES OF, BECAUSE OF THE TRANSIENT POPULATION.
THAT'S NOW FREELY WALKING DOWN MY STREET, UM, TO OUR SIDE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO I JUST FEEL LIKE THAT'S A SMALL KIND OF GLIMPSE OF WHAT'S ABOUT TO HAPPEN.
IF YOU GUYS ALLOW THIS ROAD TO GO ALL THE WAY THROUGH.
UM, IN ADDITION TO MY CHILD WHO LIKES TO PLAY OUTSIDE, SHE WON'T PLAY OUTSIDE ANYMORE.
LIKE IT'S, I KNOW I GOT EMOTIONAL LAST TIME, BUT THIS REALLY HITS HOME FOR US.
YOU GUYS, THIS IS OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, IT'S OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND I'M ALL FOR HIM BUILDING A HOME FOR HIS FAMILY.
BUT OPENING THIS STREET UP NEGATIVELY AFFECT AFFECTS OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IN SO MANY WAYS.
AND I JUST, I KNOW THAT THERE HAS TO BE
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ANOTHER OPTION, WHETHER IT'S THE ROAD ENDING OR I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS, BUT IT JUST DOES NOT SEEM FAIR THAT WE HAVE A HUNDRED SIGNATURES FROM NEIGHBORS THAT ARE IN OPPOSITION OF THIS ROAD.THAT SHOULD MEAN SOMETHING TO YOU GUYS.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE TO SAY.
QUESTION FOR YOU ARE THE HOMELESS PEOPLE CONGREGATING ON THAT LOT AS WELL AND DOING THEIR DRUGS THERE.
YEAH, SO IT'S A LOT OF PEOPLE PASSING THROUGH ON THEIR BIKES AND THEY RIDE THROUGH, I HAVE PICTURES OF PEOPLE SITTING IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE DOING DRUGS.
WE KICK THEM OUT ALL THE TIME.
DO YOU THINK IF THAT THING HAS A NICE PROPERTY BUILT ON IT, DO YOU THINK THEY WOULD TEND TO NOT BE THERE? DO YOU THINK IT'S THE LOT ITSELF THAT'S BRINGING THEM IN OR DO YOU THINK IT'S JUST THE QUICK ACCESS IN AND OUT? SO ONCE THEY COME ACROSS MINT, THEY CAN GET LOST.
LIKE WE'VE HAD A LOT OF DRUG ACTIVITY.
WHAT IS IT OVER BY THE, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S SDG AT THE VERY END, THERE'S ANOTHER LIKE DEAD END FURTHER INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND WE'VE, WE'VE HAD A LOT OF DRUG ACTIVITY GET STUCK DOWN THERE.
SO IT'S LIKE THEY COME IN, THEY DO WHAT THEY HAVE TO DO AND THEN THEY MAKE THEIR WAY BACK OUT.
BUT IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST BEYOND FRUSTRATING.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR MRS?
WHAT IS CURRENTLY HOLDING? I MEAN THE SEPARATION WHAT'S THERE NOW? CHAIN LINK.
AND THERE'S SOME, UM, SOME ROAD WOOD ROAD BARRIERS, I BELIEVE AS WELL.
THAT WAS CALTRANS TO MAINTAIN PRIOR TO THE SALE, CORRECT.
IT'S FOR THE LAST HOWEVER MANY YEARS.
ANY, UH, SPEAKERS, NORMA MURPHY? MY NAME IS NORMA MURPHY, M U R P H Y.
MY ADDRESS IS 1572 MINT AVENUE.
UM, ON BEHALF OF WHAT WOULD CALL YOU HAD JUST MENTIONED ABOUT THE DRUG ACTIVITY.
UNFORTUNATELY, I WAS GOING TO BRING RETIRED LIEUTENANT MURPHY HERE FROM SAN DIEGO PD TO SPEAK ON THE INCREASED, NOT ONLY TRAFFIC ACCIDENT CRIME, WHICH SHE'S ALREADY SEEN IT WITH THAT BROKEN FENCE.
UM, I HONESTLY, IN ALL DUE RESPECT TO YOU DO NOT FEEL THOSE ARE VALID REASONS TO PUT A ROAD THROUGH.
UM, IT'S I ALSO SPOKE WITH FIRE DEPARTMENT.
IT'S EASIER COMING DOWN, MADISON, THAT REASONING.
I MEAN, I'M SURE HE GOT IT FROM SOMEBODY, BUT I'VE SPOKE WITH SOMEBODY WHO WORKS FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND THEY'RE LIKE, NO, IT'S EASY TO GO ON THIS WAY.
IT'S NOT A, LIKE, WE NEED THIS, WE GOTTA GET THROUGH THIS WAY.
UM, I DON'T THINK MR. DELL, UM, HAS ANY IDEA AS TO THE CRIME THAT IT WILL BRING, UM, IF HE HAD A COL-DE-SAC AND HE HAD A SIGN SAYING, NOT A THOROUGH STREET, PEOPLE MIGHT THINK TWICE, BUT I DON'T THINK HE HAS ANY IDEA OF WHAT TRAFFIC HE'S GOING TO GET CRIME AND DRUG ACTIVITY, ALL THAT STUFF.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, MY THING IS WE BALL, WE'VE ALL GROUPED TOGETHER AND WE'RE GOING TO FIGHT IT UNTIL THE END.
UM, DESPITE WHAT HAPPENS TODAY, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE THE END BECAUSE WE HAVE TO PROTECT NOT ONLY OUR CHILDREN, OUR GRANDCHILDREN AND OURSELVES, MY NEIGHBOR.
UM, I UNDERSTAND THIS HAS COST AND MR. DEL, LOTS OF MONEY, BUT SOMETIMES CHILDREN, KIDS AND PEOPLE ARE WORTH A LOT MORE THAN MONEY.
I'M JUST SAYING, I MEAN, TO ME, YOU KNOW, MONEY'S NOTHING, IT COMES AND GOES LIKE THAT.
SO LIKE I SAID GOES THROUGH, I'M SURE.
I'M SURE THERE'S OTHER ALTERNATIVES.
HE BUILD ONE HOUSE, SIX MONTHS, PUT A BLOCK DOWN THE MIDDLE OF ONE HOUSE.
IT'S BEEN DONE MANY TIMES DUPLEX.
I DON'T KNOW WHATEVER, BUT THERE HAS TO BE SOMEHOW THAT I SEE NO REASON, NO VALID REASON HAS BEEN TOLD TO ME TODAY, OR LAST TIME AS TO WHY THAT ROAD HAS TO GO THROUGH.
IT'S BEEN, I DON'T KNOW, TOM, HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN THERE? NEVER HAD A PROBLEM BEFORE WE
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IN EVERYBODY'S A TIGHT NEIGHBORHOOD IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.WE WATCH AND TAKE CARE OF ONE ANOTHER.
AND ONCE THAT OPEN, IT'S OPEN GAME, I DON'T KNOW.
I REALLY THINK THERE SHOULD BE ANOTHER RESOLUTION.
AND LIKE I SAID, WE'LL FIGHT IT TO THE END.
WE AIN'T GOING DOWN WITHOUT A FIGHT.
WE GOT TO PROTECT OUR FAMILIES.
I HAVE A QUESTION, UH, MRS. MURPHY, THAT ROAD HAS BEEN IN THE GENERAL PLAN SINCE IT WAS IMPLEMENTED.
I THINK IT WAS IN THE EIGHTIES 85 OR SO IT'S BEEN PART OF THE ROAD.
THE PLAN ROAD HAS BEEN PART OF THE, OF THE GENERAL PLAN FOR A LONG TIME.
AND, AND SEE, AND I THINK I MENTIONED LAST TIME WHEN THAT WAS BROUGHT UP TO MY INTENTION, MY THING IS WHY WAS THAT NOT DISCLOSED TO US BUYING A HOUSE THERE? I ASKED, I ASKED MY LICENSE AGENT WHEN I BOUGHT THAT HOUSE BECAUSE I HAD SMALL KIDS AT THE TIME AND I ASKED, OH NO, NO, NO, IT'S ENVIRONMENTAL, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.
AND I THOUGHT, OKAY, WE GOT ALL DOCUMENTS ON MY PARCEL, LOT SIZE, YOU KNOW, THIS AND THAT, YOU KNOW, WE GOT SCHOOL, YOU KNOW, RATINGS.
WE GET, IF THERE'S A PEDOPHILE LIVE NEAR US, BUT WHY WASN'T THAT DISCLOSED IF THAT WAS IN THE PLANT OVER 40 YEARS AGO? YES.
UM, I'M A LICENSED REALTOR AND IT WAS A REGARDS TO STUFF LIKE THAT.
IT'S NOT THE REALTOR DOES NOT HAVE THAT JURISDICTION.
SO IF IT'S NOT IN WRITING, WE SHOULDN'T SAY IT IN GENERAL PLAN IS SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE DISCOVERED BY THE OWNER.
IT'S YOUR DUE DILIGENCE AS A HOMEOWNER TO LOOK THAT UP.
I CAN'T GIVE THAT INFORMATION TO YOU CAUSE I'M NOT, I'M NOT, I DIDN'T MAKE THE GENERAL PLAN.
THEY DIDN'T TELL YOU THAT BECAUSE I PROMISE YOU THAT BECAUSE THEY, THEY LITERALLY CAN'T.
WE WERE NOT EVEN SUPPOSED TO GO TO THE CITY TO GET THAT INFORMATION FOR YOU.
WE'RE SUPPOSED TO DIRECT YOU WHERE YOU CAN GO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS.
AND I DEFINITELY WOULD HAVE HAD A CONCERN ABOUT THAT BECAUSE IT IS ON THE MAP.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE GOOGLE MAPS, YOU'LL SEE IT THERE, BUT IT'S NOT DEVELOPED, BUT YOUR AGENT HAVE PROMISED TO THAT.
AND THE BIGGEST THING IN REAL ESTATE, IF IT'S NOT IN WRITING, IT DOESN'T EXIST.
AND I KNOW WHAT THE PRELIMINARY TITLE REPORT, IT HAS A LOT OF INFORMATION ON YOUR PARCEL ITSELF, BUT IT WOULDN'T, IT WOULDN'T HAVE ANYTHING ON THAT.
THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING YOU'D HAVE TO DISCUSS WITH THE CITY TO ASK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE STATUS OF THAT ROAD ONCE AGAIN? WHY NOT? HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO KNOW THAT? OH, I'M SUPPOSED TO GO TO THE CITY TO SEE IF BY CHANCE THIS IS GOING TO BE AN OPEN ROAD.
WELL, THAT'S THE UNFORTUNATE THING OF WHY WE'RE HERE TODAY BECAUSE WE WERE MISSING.
HE PROBABLY DIDN'T KNOW THAT EITHER BECAUSE HE TOLD ME MISLED.
UM, OKAY, SO NOW, OKAY, SO CALTRANS WAS GOING TO HAVE IT YEARS AGO.
WASN'T THERE A FREEWAY GOING TO CAL TRAIN, RIGHT.
WAS THERE GOING TO BE A PROPOSED ROAD BACK THEN? I DON'T KNOW.
CAUSE I, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I KNOW THAT THE GENERAL PLAN IS GENERAL KNOWLEDGE THAT ANY PERSON COULD CHECK IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT Y HOW WOULD WE KNOW WE WANT YOUR AGENT SHOULD HAVE, YOUR AGENT SHOULD HAVE TOLD, YOU KNOW, PLEASE CHECK WITH THE CITY.
YOU KNOW, I SEE IT MIGHT BE THE GENERAL PLAN CHECK WITH THE CITY.
IF YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT ROAD, THAT WAS A CONCERN.
IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN, THEY SHOULD HAVE DIRECTED YOU WHERE TO GO TO LOOK, TO MAKE SURE NOT TOLD YOU.
BECAUSE THAT'S WHY WE DON'T DO THAT BECAUSE IT'S JUST NOT ETHICAL TO SAY THAT.
SO I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT, BUT WE'RE NOT, IF WE HAVE ANY INFORMATION YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT, WE NEEDED TO DIRECT YOU WHERE YOU NEED TO GO TO FIND IT SINCE WE DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUST MAKING APPLICATIONS THAT, THAT AREN'T RIGHT.
SO THAT'S WHY THE GENERAL PLAN IT'S IN THERE.
SO IF YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT IT AND IT'S BEEN THERE FOR QUITE SOME TIME, WE ALWAYS SAY, WELL, I WOULD CHECK WITH THE CITY OR THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, OR WHAT HAVE YOU TO GET THAT INFORMATION TO MAKE SURE.
SO YOU CAN SAY, WELL, I CAME HERE AND YOU GAVE ME THIS INFORMATION, BUT YOU KNOW, I'M, I APOLOGIZE THAT YOUR AGENT SAID, OH NO, CAUSE THEY, THEY WOULDN'T HAVE KNOWN, WELL, THAT'S A SHAME.
IT'S THE SAME THING I KNOW NOW, YOU KNOW, CAN'T CHANGE BACK TIME.
ALL WE GOT HERE AND I FEEL BAD FOR HIM TOO, BECAUSE HE'S KIND OF STUCK BETWEEN A ROCK AND A HARD PLACE.
CAUSE HE DIDN'T KNOW EITHER NOW HE HAS TO BUILD A ROAD THAT HE DOESN'T WANT TO BUILD, BUT HE'S SPENT A LOT OF MONEY, UNFORTUNATELY.
SO, BUT YOU KNOW, LIKE THAT'S, THAT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT SITUATION CAUSE HE WENT IN BLINDED.
UNFORTUNATELY I FAILED THAT ONE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MRS. MURPHY? I'LL JUST OBSERVE THAT, UH, LIVING ON OAKDALE BETWEEN SECOND AND MAIN, WE GET A LOT OF TRAFFIC, BOTH IN FRONT OF OUR HOUSE AND BEHIND OUR HOUSE ON THAT, UH, FORRESTER CREEK DRAIN.
AND UH, WE'VE HAD TO MAKE LOTS OF POLICE CALLS BECAUSE OF ACTIVITY IN
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OUR BACKYARD.THE SCARIEST ONE WAS WHEN WE HAD PEOPLE WALKING THROUGH OUR BACKYARD WITH FLASHLIGHTS.
UM, SO I, I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND.
I'VE GOT FOUR CHILDREN UNDER 14 AND THEY PLAY IN THE BACKYARD, BUT NOT THE FRONT YARD, BUT THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I MOVED TO SECOND STREET OR RED HILLS, YOU KNOW, FOR THAT REASON.
SO I DID MY HOMEWORK THERE, BUT UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S AND WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT, WE AIN'T GOING TO HAVE THAT.
UNFORTUNATELY IT'S SAD, BUT ANYWAY, HI, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
AND UM, I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.
OKAY, MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I COULD JUST, UM, JUST CLARIFY ONE THING, UM, YOU KNOW, IT WAS PART OF THE ALTERNATIVE PLAN THAT WAS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT.
YOU KNOW, STAFF WAS WILLING TO LOOK AT OPTIONS FOR CLOSING THAT ROAD AND, AND REALLY IT'S THE, UM, THE REQUIREMENT IS THE STATE MANDATED PROCESS THAT WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH TO CLOSE THAT ROAD.
AND SO AS STAFF, WHAT WE'RE TASKED WITH DOING IS LOOKING AT WHAT AN APPLICANT BRINGS FORWARD.
SO ORIGINALLY HE CAME FORWARD PROPOSED TO HAVE THE ROAD CONNECTED.
THAT'S WHAT WE BROUGHT FORWARD ON MAY 3RD.
UM, IN RESPONSE, YOU KNOW, WE HEARD THE CONCERNS FROM THE PUBLIC AS WELL AS THE APPLICANT.
AND HE LOOKED AT THAT ALTERNATIVE PLAN AND WE WERE WILLING TO PROCESS THAT, CONTINUE TO GIVE HIM COMMENTS AND HAVE IT MOVED THROUGH, UH, THAT STATE MANDATED PROCESS, UH, TO EVALUATE CLOSING THAT ROAD.
THE ISSUE IS, IS THAT IN ORDER TO CLOSE THAT ROAD, WE'D HAVE TO GET THOSE COMMENTS AND GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS AND EVALUATE ANY ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS OR SERVICE IMPACTS AND OTHER THINGS IN ORDER TO BRING THAT BACK.
BUT ULTIMATELY THAT'S A DECISION THAT'S MADE BY THE APPLICANT AND AS CITY STAFF OR MANDATED FOR REVIEWING WHAT THE APPLICANT BRINGS TO US.
SO I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT IT'S NOT, UM, IT'S STAFF EVALUATING THE GENERAL PLAN AND LOOKING WHAT THE APPLICANT IS BROUGHT FORWARD AND WE'VE BEEN WILLING AND OPEN OF WORKING WITH THE APPLICANT ABOUT OTHER OPTIONS FOR CLOSING THAT IT'S ULTIMATELY THE APPLICANT'S DECISION TO, UM, COME BACK AND SAY THAT HE WANTS TO, UM, CONNECT THE ROADS AS REQUIRED BY THE GENERAL PLAN AS A DECISION, AS A DEVELOPER, LOOKING AT HIS COSTS AND IMPACTS.
NO, I IT'S, IT'S KIND OF A, IT'S KIND OF THE PERFECT STORM, BECAUSE LIKE YOU SAID, WITH THE APPLICANT, HE WAS TRYING TO BUILD A DREAM HOME.
HE WASN'T A DEVELOPER, UM, AND GOT CAUGHT BY THIS BY THE SAME THING.
UM, I DID HAVE A QUESTION, UM, TIP OF MY TONGUE WHEN I THINK OF IT ALL.
WELL THANK YOU FOR, FOR SHARING.
UH, ANY MORE SPEAKER KURTZ, TIMOTHY SWING.
I'VE LIVED IN THIS AREA AND I LIVE IN ONE OF THE MODEL HOMES FOR THAT WHOLE ABOUT MY MARRIOTT.
I'VE BEEN THERE FOR 45 YEARS WHEN I WAS TAKEN THROUGH THAT AREA.
WHEN I WAS 10 YEARS OLD, THAT WAS A MARSH OR A STRAIGHT CREEK CAME DOWN OFF THE HILLS.
THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA HAD BOUGHT UP ALL THE LOTS ALONG THIRD, GOING OVER THERE TO WHERE MINT AND DLR FOR A PROPOSED HIGHWAY.
THAT HIGHWAY WAS AN EXTENSION OF THE HIGHWAY THAT COMES BETWEEN NATIONAL CITY AND TULA VISTA.
AND IT WAS TO RUN INTO INTERSTATE EIGHT.
ALL OF THAT AREA WAS PROPOSED IN 1950.
HOW MANY OF YOU PEOPLE WERE FIVE YEARS OLD IN 1950? I WAS, THIS IS A DEBACLE.
WE HAVE A PROBLEM ON TRENT STREET FROM THAT PIECE OF LAND TO THE EAST, BEHIND THE RESIDENCES ON MINT STREET.
IF YOU PUT A PICTURE UP THERE, THE ARIEL
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DURING YOUR SCREEN, YOU SEE THAT A STRETCH OF HOUSES FROM THE BACK OF HIS LOT ON THE EASTERN EDGE.HERE'S A LOT GOING ACROSS ALL THE WAY OVER THAT WAY, WHERE TRENTON AND JAKE CONNECT, THAT WAS A SINGLE HOUSE BACK THERE THAT GOT MOVED OFF BY THE OWNER.
AND HE WANTED TO MOVE IN HOUSES, TAKEN AWAY FROM CALTRANS WRITEAWAYS.
HE HAD TO BUILD NEW HOUSES AND THEY'RE ONLY WHAT THEY ARE AS DUPLEXES.
I MEAN, OUT OF THERE COMING DOWN, TRENTON TO MADISON, I TALKED WITH YOUR LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT LAST WEEK ABOUT THIS PROBLEM.
ALSO TALK TO YOUR PUBLIC UTILITIES, PEOPLE ABOUT THE PROBLEM OF THE SOAR IN THAT AREA.
MANY OF MY NEIGHBORS I MENTIONED, I MEAN, THEY KEEP PINING COCKROACHES IN NEW BATHTUBS AND SHOWERS WHEN THEY'RE AWAY FROM HOME FOR A WEEKEND OR SO.
I FOUND IT WHEN I CAME BACK FROM THE HOSPITAL FOR A WEEK, YOU'LL HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE SEWER IN THAT AREA.
THERE'S NO SHORELINE GOING FROM MINT TO OAKDALE.
SO NOW YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PUT A SEWER LINE ACROSS.
THERE'S NO WATER LINE GOING UNDER THERE.
THERE'S NO GAS LINE GOING UNDER THERE.
WHO'S GOING TO PAY FOR ALL OF THIS.
NOW YOU'RE GOING TO CREATE MORE TRAFFIC COMING DOWN ON FROM TRENTON, MAKING A RIGHT ONTO THE MINT, MAKING A BONZAI TO GET DOWN TO MAIN STREET.
YOU'RE JUST GOING TO CREATE MORE PROBLEMS. WHEN THE STATE PUT THE PROPERTY UP, THE CITY OF ALKA HOME, SHE JUST MADE THE STATE, DONATE IT TO THE CITY FOR PARK.
THE STATE PULLED WAS A CITY OF ALCOHOL AND TOOK 56, WHICH IS HAMMER SHAW AND RAN ON THE SECOND STREET.
MAKE NO PARKING ON SECOND STREET SO THEY COULD GET TO THE FREEWAY TO ELIMINATE THAT HIGHWAY.
THAT WAS GOING TO GO DOWN THROUGH THIRD.
MANY PEOPLE HAVE BEEN AROUND LONG ENOUGH JUST EAST OF THERE IS GRANITE HILLS HIGH SCHOOL.
THAT WAS MY UNCLE'S CORING FIELD DURING WORLD WAR TWO.
MY FAMILY'S BEEN IN THIS COUNTY 127 YEARS.
YOUR MAIN STREET OUT HERE IS HISTORIC HIGHWAY 80.
MY GREAT UNCLE WAS OUR CONGRESSMAN FROM 1920 TO 1936.
HE'S THE REASON HIGHWAY 80 CAME TO SAN DIEGO AND INCOMES COMES RIGHT THROUGH ALCOHOL.
WE'RE PART OF HIS START, CALIFORNIA.
LET'S ELIMINATE SOME OF THIS NEWER DEVELOPMENT AND SOLVE THE PROBLEMS WE HAVE IN THE CITY.
ALCOHOL AND THE PROBLEMS WE HAVE ARE PARTLY WITH THE DEPARTMENTS WITHIN THIS CITY.
AS I TOLD THE COUNCIL LAST TUESDAY, PUT ON YOUR BOOTS, PUT ON YOUR COVER, COVERALLS, ROLL UP YOUR SLEEVES, PUT ON YOUR GLOVES AND GET OUT THERE AND SEE WHAT YOUR PUBLIC WORKS AND YOUR STRAIGHT PEOPLE ARE DOING.
THANK YOU, MR. AMOS, JUST SIT IN YOUR OFFICERS AND RUBBER STAMPING THING.
GOD BLESS YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.
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ANY OTHER SPEAKER CARDS? YES, MARTHA AVERY.I AM THE NEIGHBOR TO THE SOUTH ON MARTHA AVERY, A V E R Y.
I'M THE NEIGHBOR TO THE SOUTH OF DALLAS PROPERTY.
AND I JUST NEED SOME CLARIFICATION ON THE FINANCES.
WHAT I HEARD WAS THAT, UH, THAT STREET WILL GO THROUGH WHEN ALL SAID AND DONE AND THE DOW WILL PAY FOR IT.
I DIDN'T GET THAT SEVEN YEAR THING, BUT I DON'T NEED TO.
AND THAT IF I DO IMPROVEMENTS ON MY PROPERTIES THAT CORRECT, THEN I WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR SOMETHING JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, I'M IN THE PROCESS OF DIVIDING MY PROPERTY INTO THREE LOTS.
AND, UM, THAT'S WHAT I PLANNED TO DO.
I'VE GOT THE PRELIMINARY REPORTS ALREADY.
I JUST HAD TO WAIT UNTIL THIS MEETING TO DECIDE WHAT TO DO.
SO IF I PROCEED WITH DOING THAT, WHICH WILL REQUIRE ME TO DO IN FRONT OF MY, ON THE DURHAM STREET, UH, DECIDE WALK GUTTER, WILL I BE RESPONSIVE? WHAT WILL I BE RESPONSIBLE FOR ON THE NEW MENTOR, OAKDALE, WHATEVER WE'RE GOING TO CALL IT.
CAN YOU GIVE ME YOUR SPELLING OF YOUR LAST NAME AGAIN? AVERY A V E R Y.
UM, W WITH THAT QUESTION IN MIND, I ALSO HAVE A QUESTION WHERE RIGHT NOW HER PROPERTY, CAN YOU POINT OUT WHERE HER PROPERTY ACTUALLY IS? SEE THE TREES? YUP.
THAT'S MY PROPERTY, BUT THERE'S A FENCE GOING, THAT'S MY ROBBERY, THAT WHOLE THING ALL THE WAY TO THE THERE'S TWO HOUSES ON IT.
AND I WANT TO DO, I JUST WANT TO DIVIDE IT INTO THREE LOTS.
I, I'M NOT PLANNING ON DEVELOPING THE LOTS AT THIS, BUT I WANT TO HAVE THREE INSTEAD OF ONE.
SO CAN YOU, SO THAT'S HER, THAT'S HER, HER LINE IS BASICALLY THE FENCE, WHICH WILL BE WHERE KIND OF WHERE THE CURB AND GUTTER IS.
WHERE THERE WAS WHERE THOSE BUSHES.
AND SO THAT'S YOUR LOT THERE FOR THE NEXT ONE OVER IN THE NEXT ONE.
AND THEN MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU CAN SEE THE CURVED LINE THAT KIND OF BISECTS THROUGH THE CENTER OF THAT.
THAT'S ALSO RELATED TO CALTRANS EXCESS RIGHT OF WAY.
AND SO THE TRIANGULAR PIECE, UM, THAT IS ADJACENT TO THE SUBJECT SITE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NOW, UH, WAS ALSO FORMER CALTRANS RIGHT.
OF WAY, WHICH WAS SEVERAL YEARS AGO.
SO WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING THEN IS IF SHE GOES TO DO IMPROVEMENTS, LET'S JUST SAY FOR THE SAKE OF ARGUMENTS THAT THIS FIRST PROJECT WASN'T PROPOSED, AND IT WAS JUST HER, WOULD SHE BE FORCED TO DO A STREET AS WELL? IF SHE SPLIT THOSE THREE UP, IF SHE FORCED, I MEAN, WOULD IT TRIGGER THE GENERAL PLAN TO KICK IN AND FINISH THE ROAD? THAT'S REALLY WHAT THAT IS WHAT'S HAPPENING.
SO SHE'S RESPONSIBLE FOR THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, THAT IS ADJACENT TO HER, UM, UH, THE LAND THAT SHE OWNS.
AND SO IF A PROJECT WERE TO BE SUBMITTED, IT WOULD BE REVIEWED AND CONDITIONED ESSENTIALLY FOR HALF WIDTH STREET IMPROVEMENTS PER ADOPTED CITY STANDARDS.
SO THE ISSUE THOUGH, IS THAT THE CITY CAN'T COMPEL PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT OR DEVELOPMENT, UM, ON PRIVATE PROPERTY.
AND SO IF THE, IF THE PROPERTY, THE SUBJECT SITE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT NOW CONTINUED TO BE PRIVATE PROPERTY WASN'T DEVELOPED, AND THAT, UH, THAT PROPERTY OWNER DIDN'T DEDICATE, UH, THE STREET CONNECTION FOR PUBLIC ROAD PURPOSES, THE CITY WOULDN'T HAVE AUTHORITY TO CONDITION THAT, UH, TO MAKE CHANGES TO THAT STREET.
UM, AND SO I THINK THE OTHER QUESTION THEN WOULD BE MS. AVERY HAS THIS, WHEN, IF SHE DECIDES TO SPLIT THAT UP, LIKE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT.
MAP IT OUT, SPLIT IT UP INTO THIRD.
WOULD SHE THEN TRIGGER THAT AGREEMENT THE SEVEN YEAR AGREEMENT TO PAY FOR HALF OF THE ROAD, POTENTIALLY.
AND ALSO IF AT THE SAME TIME, THE, UM, IF AN APPLICATION WERE TO BE SUBMITTED, UH, TO DEVELOP THE LOT TO THE SOUTH AT THE SAME TIME THAT THE APPLICANT WERE TO BE DOING HIS PUBLIC RIGHT AWAY IMPROVEMENTS, IT COULD POTENTIALLY BE CONDITIONED.
YOU KNOW, IF THE RIGHT OF WAY WERE TO BE DEDICATED FOR EACH PROPERTY OWNER JUST TO DO HALF WITH STREET IMPROVEMENTS.
SO ULTIMATELY IT'S A FUNCTION OF THE TIME OF THE APPLICATIONS, UH, THE CONDITIONS AT THE TIME THAT THEY WANT TO BUILD AND, AND HOW THE CITY THEN APPLIES THOSE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL, BECAUSE THERE'S OBVIOUSLY MULTIPLE
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SCENARIOS THAT COULD PLAY OUT, BUT SHE COULD HAVE, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT BUILDING AT THIS POINT.THERE'S ALREADY TWO HOUSES AND THOSE WOULD BE SEPARATE NOW.
AND THEN THERE'D BE JUST A BIG, EMPTY LOT.
AND I, LIKE I SAID, I HAVE NO, THE LOT SPLIT IS THAT, WOULD THAT BE CONSIDERED JUST A LOT SPLIT? SO I THINK ULTIMATELY THE ANSWER IS, IS THE CITY HASN'T RECEIVED A DEVELOPMENT APPLICATION FOR, FOR THE PROPERTY.
AND IT'S CHALLENGING FOR STAFF TO BE ABLE TO DICTATE WHAT CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL MAY LOOK LIKE.
IT'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE ANALYZED IN CONJUNCTION WITH A REVIEW BY ALL DISCIPLINES.
WELL, THE ENGINEERS WHO'VE DONE THE PRELIMINARY HAVE ALREADY TALKED TO SOMEBODY AND I HAVE TO DO A SEED WHERE THE SIDEWALK ENDS.
I HAVE TO GO, GO TO, UM, MINT OR OAKDALE WITH A SIDEWALK.
BUT THAT THAT'S JUST REQUIRED TO SPLIT THE LOTS.
AND IS THAT CONSIDERED IMPROVEMENT? AND IS THAT TRIGGERING ME HAVING TO PAY FOR SOME OF THE STREET? SO A DEVELOPMENT APPLICATION, UM, WHEN IT'S RECEIVED TO SUBDIVIDE THE PROPERTY WOULD BE REVIEWED BY THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT AND THEN, UM, CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL FOR, UH, BASED ON ADOPTED CITY STANDARDS FOR THAT TYPE OF STREET WOULD BE REQUIRED FOR A CURB, GUTTER AND SIDEWALK.
AND THEN FOR LIKE CURRENT, UM, ADA ACCESSIBLE DRIVEWAYS AND SO FORTH.
SO, SO YES, IT WOULD BE CONDITIONED TO THAT EFFECT, BUT THE PRECISE DETAILS OF THAT, AS IT RELATES TO EASEMENTS, SDG POWER LINES, WATER, AND SEWER LINES, AND OTHER THINGS, UH, WOULD ALSO NEED TO BE EVALUATED AND INCORPORATED INTO ANY CONDITIONS.
SO, SO WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IT COULD BE YOU, IT MAY BE POSSIBLE AND IT MAY NOT.
AND THE ONLY WAY YOU'LL REALLY KNOW IS TO SUBMIT, IT SOUNDS LIKE SOMEONE'S WORKING ON IT, SUBMIT THAT TO THE, TO THE CITY FOR, FOR REVIEW.
YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE HAVING TO INVEST SOME MONEY THERE, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, YOU WANT TO KNOW IF YOU'RE GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, INVESTING MORE MONEY.
AND YOU NEED TO KNOW THAT AS WELL.
UM, BUT IT DOESN'T BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF FACTORS.
IT SOUNDS LIKE WHAT I'M HEARING IS THAT THE BEST TO JUST SUBMIT SOMETHING OVER A DRAWING, YOU KNOW, I, UH, FROM THE ENGINEER DEPARTMENT, LET THEM TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND KIND OF COME BACK WITH WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO REQUIRE.
IF I DO NOTHING, WHAT'S MY OBLIGATION, MY FINANCIAL OBLIGATION, IF I JUST ZERO.
AND IF YOU WAIT SEVEN AND A HALF YEARS, IT'S ZERO.
I THINK IF THERE WAS, IF THERE WAS, LIKE I SAID, A RESPONSIBILITY, WHICH DOESN'T SOUND LIKE WE CAN REALLY PIN IT DOWN.
ANY OTHER SPEAKER CARDS, MS. SAVORY, IF YOU HAVE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS, PLEASE CONTACT US AT THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT AND ONE OF OUR ENGINEERS WILL HELP YOU OR PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT CAN WALK YOU THROUGH ALL THE STEPS.
CAN WE GET DAVID
UM, HE SPELLED THAT LAST NAME.
I SPELL IT B A G A L I N I, BUT IT SOUNDS THANK YOU.
SO I BOUGHT MY HOUSE ON THE CORNER OF MINT AND MASON SIX, SIX YEARS AGO.
THE REASON I BOUGHT IT IS BECAUSE I HAD KNOWLEDGE WHEN I WORKED AT STG IN THE COUNTY OF SAN DIEGO, THAT, THAT THE STATE WAS GOING TO PUT A FREEWAY THROUGH THERE.
AND THAT PROPERTY CLOSED EVERYTHING OFF.
IT WAS GOING TO BE A NICE QUIET STREET.
AND I WOULDN'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT, UH, PEOPLE FROM, UH, SECOND STREET COMING THROUGH THERE AND ALL THAT ANYWAY, TO MAKE A LONG STORY SHORT.
THAT'S THE WHOLE REASON I BOUGHT THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY.
NOW IN THE 1950S THAT THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA HAS SHOWN ON THE THOMAS BROTHERS MAPS.
THAT WAS GOING TO BE A FREEWAY.
WHEN I LEFT IN 1980 FROM THE SDG NEED TO GO TO WORK FOR THE COUNTY OF SAN DIEGO.
IT WAS STILL ON THE THOMAS BROTHERS MAPS.
SO, AND I KNOW YOU GUYS HAD THIS PLAN SINCE THE EIGHTIES.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS 89, BUT, UH, THAT'S THE REASON I BOUGHT THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY IS BECAUSE IT'S BEEN A NICE, QUIET PIECE OF PROPERTY AND NOBODY WANTS THAT ROAD TO GO THROUGH.
WE ALL ARE THERE BECAUSE THE ROAD DIDN'T GO THROUGH.
WE WERE PRETTY SURE IT WASN'T EVER GOING TO GO THROUGH.
SO WE, WE, AND I KNOW PAUL OVER HERE, HE DOESN'T WANT TO GO THROUGH, HE MADE THAT KNOWN AT OUR LAST MEETING.
PAUL, YOU REMEMBER THAT? I REMEMBER I SAID TODAY, HE DOESN'T WANT IT EITHER.
SO ANYWAY, THAT'S, THAT'S THE WHOLE DEAL.
WE JUST DON'T, WE DON'T WANT IT FOR A LOT OF REASONS.
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BEEN HERE A LONG TIME.CARLY'S RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO IT.
I MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING.
THE MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER MOROSE.
IF ANYONE HAS ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS, WE CAN ALWAYS REOPEN IT.
UM, WELL FELLOW COMMISSIONERS, THIS IS ONE OF THOSE WHERE I WISH WE HAD MORE, MORE POWER.
I MEAN, WE DON'T HAVE THE POWER TO CHANGE THE GENERAL PLAN.
UM, AND THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT IS GOING TO AUTOMATICALLY GO TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
UH, CITY COUNCIL HAS THE, THE, IF THE CITY COUNCIL TOOK THE INITIATIVE TO INVESTIGATE THE GENERAL PLAN, THEY COULD AMEND IT, BUT THERE'S NOTHING IN THIS TO TRIGGER THAT.
HOWEVER, WHAT I WAS THINKING TOO, IS THERE'S AN APPEAL PROCESS WITH THE CITY COUNCIL, WHICH HAS TO BE FILED BY THE, I BELIEVE THE 29TH OF JULY, WHICH WOULD THEN PUT THIS KIND OF ON THE RADAR.
UM, I, I MEAN, IT'S KIND OF INTERESTING.
UM, HE DOESN'T REALLY WANT TO BUILD THE ROAD.
HE WANTS TO BUILD THIS HOUSE, BUT HE HAS TO BUILD THE ROAD.
HE CAN'T AFFORD NOT TO BUILD THE ROAD UNDERSTANDS.
AND THEN I UNDERSTAND EVERYBODY'S POSITION HERE.
YOU KNOW, I, I HAD ONE QUICK QUESTION THOUGH, IF YOU DON'T MIND DON'T MIND.
UM, IF YOU COULD GO TO THE MAP AGAIN, UH, THE, THE SATELLITE, EXCUSE ME.
SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE PROPERTY, RIGHT, WHERE YOUR CURSOR IS, IF YOU TAKE THAT CURSOR AND YOU START RIGHT THERE AND YOU DRAW, YOU PUT, UH, YOU BRING THE ROAD AND THEN YOU, YOU STOP THE ROAD AT THE TOP, RIGHT THERE.
DOES THAT REQUIRE A CITY TURN AROUND THERE BECAUSE IT'S LESS THAN, WOULDN'T IT BE LESS THAN A HIGHER 50 FEET? OR WHAT IS THAT? IS THERE GOING TO BE AN EASEMENT? I MEAN, WHAT'S THE DISTANCE.
THE COMMENTS FROM A HEARTLAND, FIRE AND RESCUE WERE, UM, THAT, UH, FOR THE DRIVEWAY COMING IN FROM THAT SIDE, BECAUSE OF THE DISTANCE BEING 150 FEET, UM, THAT THE ULTIMATE DRIVE, WE WOULD GO THAT THEY WANTED TO SEE A FIRE DEPARTMENT TURNAROUND.
SO ARE YOU SO RIGHT THERE, SO, OKAY.
SO THAT EVEN IF YOU PUT A WALL ON THAT SIDE, IT'S STILL PAST THE ONE 50 IS WHAT I'M GUESSING.
I MEAN, ULTIMATELY THE CHALLENGE IS, IS THAT, UM, WE GAVE THESE OPTIONS TO THE APPLICANT AND THE APPLICANT'S ENGINEER.
UM, THEY CAME BACK WITH A SINGULAR PROPOSAL, UM, AND THAT WAS LOOKED AT FOR FIRE ACCESS AND COMMENTS WERE GIVEN BACK THERE'S MANY, MANY OPTIONS THAT COULD BE PROPOSED.
LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT, IT COULD BE ACCESS ONLY FROM OAKDALE ONE LOT BY OAKDALE, ONE LOT BY MINTS, UH, WITH THE ROAD CLOSURE, AND THEN LOOKING AT FIRE ACCESS, THE APPLICANT CHOSE NOT TO EXPLORE THAT.
AND SO I DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO SAY WHETHER OR NOT IT COULD WORK OR COULDN'T WORK.
I DO KNOW THAT, UM, THAT WE WOULD BE OPEN TO EVALUATING ANY OF THOSE OPTIONS.
IT'S JUST THAT THE APPLICANT HAS SAID HE DOESN'T WANT TO GO FORWARD WITH THAT APPLICATION.
COMMISSIONERS AT THIS POINT IN TIME, UH, THE APPEAL THERE'S GOING TO BE AN APPEAL WOULD HAVE TO BE MADE BY THE APPLICANT.
AND IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THE APPLICANT WANTS TO GO THROUGH WITH AN APPEAL.
I MEAN, THIS IS WHAT HE'S REQUESTING IS TO GO AHEAD AND SPLIT THOSE TWO LOTS AND HAVE THE ROAD IN SO FAR AS THE GENERAL PLAN IS CONCERNED, YOU KNOW, IT CAN'T BE CHANGED.
LIKE YOU SAID, ONLY THE CITY COUNCIL CAN CHANGE IT.
SO I, AT THIS POINT IN TIME, I FEEL THAT THE COMMISSION'S HANDS ARE TIED.
WE, WE REALLY DON'T HAVE A GOOD CAUSE TO TURN THIS, UH, PROPOSAL DOWN.
UH, EVEN THOUGH, EVEN THOUGH I, I, MY HEART GOES OUT TO THE PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND I SEE THEIR POINT, UH, HOWEVER IT'S BEYOND OUR AUTHORITY TO, TO REJECT IT.
I MEAN, UM, YEAH, I THINK IT WAS A NORA, RIGHT? YOUR NAME'S NORA, WHICH ONE'S NOT NORMA.
AND YOU KNOW, FOR, FOR US, UM, I THINK THIS PROBABLY DOES NEED TO BE ELEVATED TO THE COUNCIL'S ATTENTION BECAUSE THEY DO HAVE THE POWER,
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UM, TO TAKE A DEEPER LOOK AT THIS, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE ANY FINDINGS THAT TELL US WHY THIS THING CAN BE APPROVED.UH, JUST LIKE WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY FINDINGS FOR THE ON SALE OR THE THREE HOMES.
I MEAN, THOSE, THOSE FIT IN THE BOX.
AND SO I IT'S IT'S YEAH, IT'S KIND OF A ROCK AND A HARD PLACE.
UH, OUR DECISION TONIGHT IS FINAL.
IT DOESN'T WANT TO GET MOVED TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
ANYBODY ELSE? THIS IS ONE OF THOSE WHERE, UH, WE HAD SOMETHING SIMILAR HAPPEN AND THE TRUST LOMAS DISTRICT.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU REMEMBER THAT WHERE AN APPLICANT WAS PUTTING FORWARD A DEVELOPMENT OF THREE HOUSES ON A SINGLE LOT, ACTUALLY, WAS IT FIVE, FIVE? AND, UH, THE NEIGHBORS ALL PUSHED BACK, UH, AND THEY CAME BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND WE SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT? IT DIDN'T FIT THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE HARD PART HERE IS THE HOUSE FITS THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
IT'S THE STREET THAT DOESN'T, BUT THE STREET, WHICH IS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT IS NOT WITHIN THE PURVIEW OF OUR YES OR NO.
IF A HOUSE GOES IN A STREET GOES IN.
UH, WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO OPEN UP PUBLIC HEARING? COME ON DOWN, COME ON.
I'M GOING TO REOPEN PUBLIC HEARING FOR YOU.
I'M NOT SO SURE THAT THAT HUNDRED 50 YOU GUYS ARE TALKING ABOUT THE TURNAROUND FOR A FIRE.
WELL, MY HOUSE IS 1561 MINUTE.
AND ON THE CORNER OF MY HOUSE, THERE'S A BIG FIRE HYDRANT RIGHT THERE.
I DON'T THINK IT'S 150 FEET FROM THAT FIRE HYDRANT TO HIS PROPERTY.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE SAYING WHEN THEY SAID IT HAS TO BE 150 FEET.
WELL, I THINK WHAT THEY'RE SAYING IS, UH, FOR THE TRUCKS, THE TRUCK ACCESS, BUT I'M NOT SURE WHAT, WHERE ARE YOU AT? RIGHT THERE? RIGHT ON THE CORNER OF 1561.
MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I MAY, JUST TO CLARIFY, IT'S 150 FEET FOR THE TOTAL LENGTH OF THE DRIVEWAY.
SO INCLUDING FROM THE CORNER ALL THE WAY TO THE END OF MINTS RIGHT NOW, AND THEN THE CONTINUATION OF THE DRIVEWAY, THAT'S PROPOSED GOING UP TO THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, UM, THAT EXCEEDS THE 150 FEET TO THE EDGE GOING IN OR THE HOUSE.
IT'S ALL THE WAY INTO THE DEVELOPMENT.
I MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER.
MEROSE SECOND BY COMMISSIONER POLLOCK.
WE'RE WAITING FOR YOUR SORRY, YOUR VOTE.
PUSHING THE HECK OUT OF THIS THING.
MOTION CARRIES BY YOUR NAME AND HIS VOTE OF MEMBERS PRESENT.
I THINK IT COMES DOWN TO THE BOTTOM LINE OF DELL GASH WANTS HOUSES.
AND EVEN THOUGH THE CITY HAS THE STREET SHOWN THAT HE HAS TO DEVELOP ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, IT'S HIS MONEY.
SO WE NEED TO HONOR HIS REQUEST.
AND IF HE WANTS TO SEEK MORE OPTIONS, HE CAN STILL DO THAT WITH THE CITY.
HE CAN TAKE IT TO THE CITY COUNCIL, BUT, UH, I THINK OUR OBLIGATION IS TO THE PROPERTY OWNER.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? FELLOW COMMISSIONERS.
YEAH, LIKE I SAID, YEAH, OUR HANDS ARE TIED.
I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER CIRCLE.
WELL, IF THERE'S NO MORE, I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION TO MOVE, TO ADOPT THE NEXT RESOLUTION IN ORDER APPROVING THE SECRET EXEMPTION IN TPM NUMBER 2 0 2 1 DASH 0 0 0 4.
MEROSE SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER PAWLAK ROOD.
PLEASE VOTE MOTION CARRIES BY A VOTE OF THREE TO ONE OF MEMBERS PRESENT.
SO JUST TO CLARIFY, WE ACTUALLY, I THINK VOTED FOR TRACE, LOMAS TO GO PROCEED LIKE TONIGHT.
AND THEN THE NEIGHBORS BACK TO THE CITY COUNCIL WITH YOUR, BASICALLY EVERYTHING THAT YOU SAID,
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BECAUSE THEY ACTUALLY HAVE THE POWER AND MADE THEIR CASE WITH THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE CITY COUNCIL ACTUALLY DENIED THE PROJECT.WE HAD TO APPROVE IT BASED ON OUR FINDINGS AND BASED ON WHAT THE APPLICANT DID, CITY COUNCIL DECIDED DIFFERENTLY.
AND SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I WOULD DEFINITELY SAY PURSUE THE CITY COUNCIL, YOU KNOW, MAYOR WELLS V MAKES IT CLEAR, CALL A CELL PHONE, SET UP MEETINGS.
THAT'S PROBABLY THE BEST AVENUE.
THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT.
[4. OTHER ITEMS FOR CONSIDERATION]
THIS TIME.IS THERE ANY OTHER ITEMS FOR CONSIDERATION? UH, NO ADDITIONAL ITEMS FROM STAFF.
UM, I JUST HAD A COMMENT ON THE, IT WAS TRIGGERED BY THE TREES AT THE NEURON GUY HOUSE.
DO WE HAVE A TREE PRESERVATION PROGRAM WHERE WE INCENTIVIZE DEVELOPERS TO KEEP INTACT OLD GROWTH TREES? I BELIEVE IT'S DISCUSSED IN THE SUSTAINABILITY INITIATIVE.
UH, BUT THOSE ARE NOT NECESSARILY, UH, REGULATIONS THAT CAN BE REQUIRED.
BUT IT'S NOT A REGULATION, BUT IT'S, THERE'S INCENTIVES TO KEEP THEM ALIVE, INTACT AND IN PLACE.
AND I WOULD SAY, UM, FROM A STAFF PERSPECTIVE, WE'RE, UM, AWARE OF UNIQUE FEATURES OF LAND, WHETHER THAT BE TREES OR ROCK OUT CROPPINGS OR TOPOGRAPHY OR OTHER THINGS.
AND WE DEFINITELY WORK WITH DEVELOPERS TO ENCOURAGE THE RETENTION OF THOSE UNIQUE FEATURES THAT WE KNOW, UM, THAT THE, UH, OVERALL PUBLIC HAS IDENTIFIED AND, UM, TREASURES.
UH, DO YOU HAVE ONE QUICK QUESTION? I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED.
MAYBE IT'S JUST MY PAD IPAD, BUT WHEN WE USED TO GET THE AGENDAS ON THE IPAD, THE SUBJECT AREA, THE GRAY AREA WAS BLUE.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS HAVE BLUE AREA ON IT'S GREAT, BUT I CAN CLICK IT AND THEY'LL ZOOM ZOOM THERE.
AND IT ZOOMS BECAUSE I WAS HAVING A HARD TIME, ALL MEETING GETTING IT TO OKAY.
SO IN ORDER TO GO BACK, I USE THE BACK ARROW WITH THE LINE THAT TAKES ME, ALTHOUGH IT IS A FRIEND OF THE AGENDA.
AND THEN I JUST CLICK ON THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM AND I'M ALMOST 50.
SO, YOU KNOW, TECHNOLOGY AND ME, WE'RE KIND OF LIKE SORT OF FRIENDS.
WELL, UH, ANYTHING ELSE? COMMISSIONERS? NOPE.
WELL THEN I, UH, MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN.
I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER MOROSE.
SECOND BY COMMISSIONER SERCO PLEASE VOTE.
MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUS VOTE OF MEMBERS PRESENT.