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TO ORDER.LET US STAND FOR THE FLAG SALUTE AND A MOMENT OF SILENCE.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE PLIGHT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL, YOU MAY BE SEATED.
I DON'T THINK, I DON'T THINK MY SPEAKERS ARE NOT IT'S ON.
MAYBE YOU HAVE ROLL CALL PLEASE.
SO TLA COMMISSIONER MOROSE, PRESENT COMMISSIONER SERCO PRESENT COMMISSIONER POLLOCK ROOT, NOT HERE.
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WE WAIT, RETAKE IT OR WELCOME TO THE ALCOHOL
[CHAIRPERSON’S WELCOME]
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NO ACTION CAN BE TAKEN ON ITEMS BROUGHT FORWARD UNDER PUBLIC COMMENT EXCEPT TO REFER IT TO STAFF FOR, FOR ADMINISTRATION OR PLACE IT ON A FUTURE AGENDA.
IS THERE ANYONE WHO WISHES TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSIONER UNDER PUBLIC COMMENT? PLEASE COME FORWARD.
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WE'LL GO TO THE CONSENT[CONSENT]
CALENDAR.THIS TIME A SINGLE MOTION WILL COVER ALL ITEMS ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR.
DOES THE COMMISSION WISH TO PULL A CONSENT CALENDAR ITEM FOR DISCUSSION? NO.
DOES A STAFF WISH TO PULL A CONSENT CALENDAR ITEM FOR DISCUSSION? NO, THANK YOU.
UM, AND WE HAVE A MOTION I MOVED TO ADOPT THE MINUTES.
THAT MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER CIRCLE.
SECOND BY CONDITION ROSE, PLEASE VOTE.
[Public Hearing Item 2]
ITEM.THE SECOND ITEM IS THE OAKDALE AND MENT SUBDIVISION.
IT'S A REQUEST THE TWO LOT SUBDIVISION IN THE RSX ZONE AND AT SEQUEL EXEMPT AND THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS TO APPROVE STAFF.
UH, ITEM NUMBER TWO FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION IS THE OAKDALE ELEMENT PROJECT, WHICH PROPOSES A TWO LOT SUBDIVISION IN THE RSX ZONE.
THE PROJECT NUMBER IS TENTATIVE PARCEL MAP NUMBER 2021 DASH 0 0 0 4.
AND THE PROJECT WAS SUBMITTED BY DELL GUEST SHAHAB.
UH, THE PROJECT PROPOSES A TWO LOT SUBDIVISION ON A SITE, WHICH WAS FORMERLY CALTRANS RIGHT AWAY.
THE PRO HOSEL IS NOT PART OF THE PLAN YOU TO DEVELOPMENT OR OTHER DEVELOPMENT PERMIT.
SO NO HOMES ARE PROPOSED WITH THIS ACTION.
UM, AND THE PROJECT IS CONDITIONED TO INCLUDE THE STREET IMPROVEMENTS, CONNECTING OAKDALE AND MINT AVENUES.
UM, IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT WHEN JASON SUBDIVISIONS WERE APPROVED, A ONE FOOT STRIP WAS ADDED, UM, ADJACENT TO THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IN ORDER TO RESERVE AND ULTIMATELY REQUIRE STREET IMPROVEMENTS CONSISTENT WITH THE GENERAL PLAN.
AS YOU'LL SEE ON THE NEXT SLIDE, THE MAJORITY OF THE SITE IS DESIGNATED LOW DENSITY, RESIDENTIAL LR, AND THE GENERAL PLAN LAND USE MAP.
UH, THE ZONE FOR THE PROPERTY IS RS SIX, RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY, 6,000 SQUARE FOOT CONSISTENT WITH THAT GENERAL PLAN DESIGNATION.
THE SITE IS, UH, JUST SHY OF AN ACRE AT, UH, ABOUT 38,000 SQUARE FEET, UH, AND IS CURRENTLY VACANT IN TERMS OF TOPOGRAPHY.
THERE ARE NO MAJOR CONSTRAINTS TO SUBDIVIDE.
UH, HOWEVER, THE SITE IS LOCATED JUST SOUTH OF FORRESTER CREEK.
UH, SO PORTIONS OF THE SITE ARE WITHIN THE 100 AND 500 YEAR FLOOD PLAINS.
AND THEN AGAIN, HERE'S A QUICK SCREENSHOT OF OUR JOURNEY, GENERAL PLAN, LAND USE MAP.
UH, THE AREA OUTLINED IN RED IS WITHIN THAT LR DESIGNATION AND IS ALSO WITHIN THE R SIX ZONE.
UH, THE AREA DESIGNATED LR IS APPROXIMATELY 29,800 SQUARE FEET, WHICH MEANS THAT ROUGHLY 8,500 SQUARE FEET OF THAT LOT WERE INTENDED FOR PUBLIC STREET IMPROVEMENTS.
AND THEN HERE, WE'VE HIGHLIGHTED THE FULL EXTENT OF THE SITE BOUNDARY.
UH, AND IT'S MORE CLEAR WHICH PORTIONS OF THAT SITE ARE SITUATED BETWEEN OKTA ELEMENT AVENUES.
UM, I KNOW THAT POWERPOINT IS NEVER THE BEST WAY TO VIEW THESE MAPS, BUT, UH, HERE'S THE PROPOSED HINTED A PARCEL MAP, UH, FOR TWO LOTS.
UM, I'LL JUST NOTE THAT BUILDING OUTLINES FOR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ARE ONLY SHOWN, UH, IN CONCEPT A THAT FUTURE DEVELOPMENT OF THESE SITES WOULD BE SUBJECT TO BUILDING PERMIT REVIEW AND WOULD NOT COME TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR REVIEW.
UM, ALSO MENTIONED THAT THE PROPOSED PARCELS ARE, UH, FAIRLY LARGE IN COMPARISON TO THE SURROUNDING, UH, RSX ZONED, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, AND THAT'S MOSTLY DUE TO THE LARGE TRIANGULAR SHAPE, UH, TO THE REAR OF THE LOTS, JUST SOUTH OF FORSTER CREEK.
IN TERMS OF THE SURROUNDING CONTEXT, THE SITE IS PRIMARILY ADJACENT TO OTHER SINGLE FAMILY PARCELS IN THE SIX ZONE.
ALTHOUGH THERE IS SOME SMALL-SCALE APARTMENT DEVELOPMENT TO THE WEST ALONG OAKDALE AVENUE, UH, SURROUNDING PARCELS ARE RELATIVELY UNIFORM IN SHAPE AND SIZE.
AND LIKE I MENTIONED, THE PROPOSED, UH, UH, SUBDIVISION, THOSE LOTS ARE SLIGHTLY LARGER THAN THE SURROUNDING OUR SIX-ONE PARCELS
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BECAUSE OF THAT ODD SHAPE.UM, GIVEN ZONING CODE STANDARDS, UH, AND, UH, CONDITIONS FOR STREET IMPROVEMENTS.
UH, THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF PARCELS IS TWO AS REQUESTED.
UH, IT SHOULD ALSO BE NOTED THAT, UH, THEY CREATED PARCELS, UH, MAYBE DEVELOPED PURSUANT TO OTHER STATE LEGISLATION, NOT JUST OUR ZONING CODE.
SO AS ASSEMBLY BILL 68, INCIDENT SENATE BILL NINE, UH, MAY APPLY, UH, UH, AB 68 ALLOWS FOR DEVELOPMENT OF ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS, AS WE'RE PROBABLY ALL FAMILIAR AND SENATE BILL NINE MAY ALLOW FOR URBAN LOT SPLITS OR DEVELOPMENT OF SECOND PRIMARY HOMES.
UM, AGAIN, REVIEW OF ADU SB NINE PROJECTS, AND JUST, UH, YOU KNOW, REGULAR SINGLE FAMILY HOME DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE MINISTERIAL SUBJECT TO A BUILDING PERMIT REVIEW AND WOULD NOT COME TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
AND I GUESS IT SHOULD BE NOTED AS WELL THAT THOSE, UH, STATE, UH, LEGISLATION IS ALSO APPLIED TO THE SURROUNDING SINGLE FAMILY ZONE PROPERTIES.
ALL RIGHT, AS DISCUSSED IN A LITTLE BIT OF DETAIL ALREADY, THE GENERAL PLAN INDICATES THAT A PORTION OF THE SITE IS INTENDED FOR PUBLIC STREET IMPROVEMENTS.
UH, TYPICALLY THOSE CONDITIONED IMPROVEMENTS INCLUDE THE HALF WIDTH, AN ADJACENT TO THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY, UH, NOT THE FULL WIDTH OF THE STREET.
UH, IN THIS CASE, IT'S OBVIOUSLY A DIFFERENT SCENARIO WHERE THERE IS NO EXISTING STREET.
AND SO THE CONDITIONS ADDRESS THE FULL WIDTH OF THE STREET AND RECOGNIZING THAT THAT MIGHT BE AN IMPEDIMENT TO REACHING CONSISTENCY WITH THE GENERAL PLAN AND TO DEVELOPMENT POTENTIALLY, UM, STAFF WORK WITH THE APPLICANT TO DRAFT A REIMBURSEMENT AGREEMENT, WHICH WAS INCLUDED IN THE ATTACHMENTS.
I WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT ONE PUBLIC COMMENT WAS RECEIVED VIA EMAIL JUST PRIOR TO THE MEETING.
AND THAT WAS, UH, PLACED IN FRONT OF YOU, UH, BEFORE GOT HERE.
UM, UH, THE PROJECT IS EXEMPT TO THE CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ACT PURSUANT TO SECTION 1533 TO FOUR INFILL DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS.
IT MEETS ALL THE CRITERIA LISTED UNDER THAT SECTION.
UM, AND STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS TO ADOPT THE NEXT RESOLUTIONS IN ORDER, UH, APPROVING SEQUEL EXEMPTION AND TENDED A PARCEL MAP 2021 DASH 34 SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS AND STAFF ARE AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.
CAN YOU EXTENSION ON THE ROAD CONNECTING THE TWO ROADS AS PART OF THE GENERAL PLAN? CORRECT? CORRECT.
SO THAT IT'S THERE, IT'S NOT, WE'RE NOT VOTING ON SOMETHING IT HAS TO DO WITH A ROW BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY THERE.
IT'S A, UH, THE CONNECTION IS THEY CONDITION, UH, ON THE MAP.
SO, UH, YOU ARE REVIEWING THE TENTATIVE PARCEL MAP FOR TWO LOT SUBDIVISION.
THE CONDITIONS INCLUDE THAT CONNECTION CONSISTENT WITH THE GENERAL PLAN.
AND EVEN THOUGH THAT LOT WAS PREVIOUSLY OWNED BY CALTRANS, THEY STILL HAD THE SAME CONDITION.
AND SO FAR AS EXTENDING THE ROAD, THE OAKDALE AND MINT AVENUE, UM, CALTRANS, UH, COULD HAVE DONE, UH, YOU KNOW, THEIR STATE AGENCY.
THEY COULD HAVE, UH, YOU KNOW, IT WAS ORIGINALLY PURCHASED, I BELIEVE, UH, IN ORDER TO HAVE A FREEWAY OR A HIGHWAY GO THROUGH THERE.
UM, AND SO, UH, THEY ARE SUBJECT TO THEIR OWN REGULATIONS, UH, SINCE IT WAS SOLD PRIVATELY, IT WAS ALREADY IN THE GENERAL PLAN DESIGNATION, UH, FOR LR IN ONE PORTION AND, UH, STREET CONNECTION ON THE OTHER PORTION.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, FELLOW COMMISSIONERS.
DO YOU HAVE ANY, OR CAN YOU HEAR ME? MY MIC IS NOT ON, THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU PUT IT ON.
I HAVE A SLIGHT QUESTION THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE SOMETHING YOU GUYS CAN ANSWER, BUT I WAS LOOKING AT THE SATELLITE VIEW OF THE PARCEL AND IT LOOKED LIKE THE TRIANGULAR PORTION BEHIND THE DEVELOPED PROPERTY HAS A FENCE.
AND IS IT MY IMAGINATION OR DOES THE TRIANGLE GO PAST THE BACKSIDE OF TWO? SEPARATE LOTS.
IT ACTUALLY DOES EXTEND BEHIND TWO OTHER LOTS.
UM, I THINK MY QUESTION IS TO THE PEOPLE IN THOSE LOTS KNOW THAT, OH, SO YOU'RE INDICATING THAT THEY FENCED IT OFF.
I HAVEN'T ACTUALLY BEEN TO THE PROPERTY.
UM, I DO NOT KNOW IF THEY'RE AWARE OF THAT OR NOT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY.
WE'LL OPEN IT UP TO FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
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THERE ANYONE THAT WISHES TO ADDRESS THIS ITEM, PLEASE COME FORWARD, GIVING US YOUR NAME AND SPELLING YOUR LAST NAME.UM, ACTUALLY MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I MAY INTERJECT, UM, WE DO HAVE THE APPLICANT PRESENT AND WE HAVE, UH, MULTIPLE SPEAKER SLIPS.
UM, SO, UM, IF ACCEPTABLE, WE CAN CALL SPEAKERS.
WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF WEIGHT.
WE HAVE A LIST OF PEOPLE THAT WE'RE GOING TO CALL.
UM, DELL GASH SHOP OH, YES, YES.
PREVIOUSLY, GIVE US YOUR NAME AND CAN YOU SPELL YOUR LAST NAME? SURE.
DO YOU HAVE ANY, UH, COMMENTS THAT YOU WISH TO MAKE BEFORE WE START ASKING YOU QUESTIONS? UH, YES.
I DO HAVE A COMMENT TO MAKE, UH, REGARDING TO THE PURCHASE BEFOREHAND.
I, UH, WENT TO THE CITY STAFF.
I DID MY DUE DILIGENCE, WENT INSIDE AND ASKED FOR ANY IMPROVEMENTS, WHICH BEFOREHAND, NOBODY TOLD ME THAT'S GOING TO BE ANY IMPROVEMENTS MADE.
SO IT'S NOT, NOT A PART OF OUR PLAN.
AT LEAST BEFOREHAND, ONCE I PURCHASED THE PROPERTY, THEY CAME BACK.
SO, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS GOING TO BE IN PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT AND I'LL ASK THEM, WHAT IS THE IMPROVEMENT BE? THEY TOLD ME IS GOING TO BE STREET CONNECTION, WHICH I WAS SURPRISED.
AND THEN BACK AND FORWARD, A LOT OF DISCUSSION MADE A LOT OF, UH, AGREEMENTS ARE MADE, BUT EVENTUALLY WE CAME TO AN AGREEMENT THAT, UH, I HAD NO CHOICE, BASICALLY.
I HAD TO SUBDIVIDE IT WELL AFTER MAP IT.
AND PART OF THE CONDITION OF APPROVAL IS TO BUILD A STREET.
I FEEL LIKE IT'S, UH, ON JUSTICE AT THIS POINT, COMMISSIONER.
AND HAVE YOU READ THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL? YES, I READ THERE.
DO YOU REMEMBER WHO YOU SPOKE TO PRIOR TO THE PURCHASE TO, TO GET THAT INFORMATION? WAS IT LIKE A CLERK OR SOMEONE IN THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT? WHAT'S AT THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT AT THE CITY PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
I WALKED IN, I ASKED THE FRONT DESKS AS A LADY BACK THEN AND I ASKED THE QUESTION, HEY, UM, BEFORE I PURCHASED THE PLAN IS GOING TO BE ANY TYPE OF CONDITIONS OR STREET, BECAUSE WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S GOING TO BE STREET CONNECTED OR IN COL-DE-SAC.
SO I ASKED BEFORE I PURCHASED THAT THEN TOLD ME YOU JUST KNOW ANY CONDITION SO FAR.
AND THEN I PURCHASED IT AND MEN TEND TO BE BUILDING ONE HOME FOR MYSELF, FROM OUR KIDS TO RAISE AND NOTHING.
AND AFTER A PURCHASE, IT TOLD ME, YOU KNOW WHAT, THERE IS A CONDITION YOU HAVE TO BUILD A STREET AFTER I PURCHASED IT.
AND I DID ASK CALTRANS THE CULTURE AND DIDN'T MENTION ANY TYPE OF STREET THERE WAS BACK THEN.
NOT EVEN TOPIC ABOUT ANY IMPROVEMENT AT ALL.
DO YOU KNOW WHO HE SHOULD HAVE SPOKE TO REGARDING THAT? CAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE HE DIDN'T GET THE RIGHT INFORMATION.
I'M JUST CURIOUS IF THE PERSON AT THE FRONT DESK IS REALLY THE PERSON HE SHOULD HAVE SPOKE WITH, YOU KNOW, BUT I DON'T KNOW THE SPECIFIC PERSON THAT THE APPLICANT SPOKE TO YOU.
UM, AND I DON'T KNOW THE INFORMATION THAT WAS CONVEYED, BUT I DO KNOW THAT AS PART OF WHAT THE APPLICATION BEING SUBMITTED AND REVIEWED, UM, IT WAS REVIEWED.
AND THEN THE INFORMATION PROVIDED ABOUT THE REQUIREMENTS, UH, FOR IMPROVING THE STREET AS IT RELATES TO THE GENERAL PLAN.
UM, THE ONE THING THAT I DO WANT TO CLARIFY IS THAT, UM, THE OPTION WAS PRESENTED OF CHANGING THE APPLICATION TO INCLUDE A GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT ON TOP OF THE PARCEL MAP TO SUBDIVIDE THE PROPERTY.
AND SO THE PURPOSE OF THE GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT WOULD HAVE BEEN TO CLOSE ON THAT ROAD.
SO SINCE IT'S ON THE GENERAL PLAN, THEY COULD HAVE PROPOSED, UM, TO CLOSE IT AND DO A GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT.
SO THE PRIMARY ISSUE, UM, WITH THE GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT IS THAT THE PROJECT WOULD NO LONGER BE EXEMPT FROM SEEQUA AND IT WOULD REQUIRE, UM, ADDITIONAL ENVIRONMENTAL ANALYSIS, INCLUDING, UM, LIKELY A TRAFFIC STUDY TO LOOK AT HOW THOSE IMPACTS, UM, WOULD BE ADDRESSED.
SO THE POSITION FROM STAFF IS THAT THIS WAS ANTICIPATED BY THE GENERAL PLAN ANALYZED UNDER THE GENERAL PLAN FOR THE PROVISION OF LIFE AND SAFETY SERVICES TO ALL THE SURROUNDING SUBDIVISIONS.
AND THAT THE SUBDIVISIONS ON EACH SIDE OF THE SUBJECT SITE WERE ALSO DESIGNED IN ANTICIPATION OF THE ROAD CONNECTION.
SO THAT ROAD CONNECTION WASN'T ANTICIPATED, IT WOULD HAVE HAD, UM, CUL-DE-SACS AND THEY WOULDN'T HAVE RESERVED THE ONE FOOT STRIP OF LAND THAT SEPARATED EACH OF THOSE ADJACENT STREETS, UH, FROM THE SUBJECT SITE.
SO WITH THAT SAID, IT WAS, IT WAS REALLY, IT CAME DOWN TO A DECISION BY THE APPLICANT TO DECIDE TO EITHER MOVE FORWARD WITH THE EXEMPT SQL PROJECT AND THE MAP THAT CONFORMS TO THE GENERAL PLAN OR
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TO DO THAT ADDITIONAL ANALYSIS, UM, LOOK AT PROPOSING TO CHANGE THAT ALLOW STAFF TO LOOK AT THAT ANALYSIS AND THE IMPLICATIONS AND DO THAT ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW.UM, AND SO THE APPLICANT ULTIMATELY DECIDED TO BRING THE PROJECT FORWARD, UM, AS PROPOSED AND CONDITIONED TONIGHT, UH, CONSISTENT WITH THE GENERAL PLAN.
SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS, IN ORDER TO BASICALLY BE REMOVE THAT PIECE FROM THE GENERAL PLAN, DO ALL THE STUDIES, UM, WAS THERE EVER ANY STUDIES DONE WITH CALTRANS AS FAR AS, UH, ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STUDIES, DO YOU KNOW? WELL, CALTRANS BEING THEIR OWN AGENCY OF THE STATE, UM, THEY WOULD HAVE STUDIED THEIR OWN PROJECTS INDEPENDENT OF THE CITY, UH, BUT ESSENTIALLY WHAT CALTRANS WAS DOING BACK IN THE SEVENTIES AND EIGHTIES AS THEY WERE COLLECTING LAND, UH, FOR THE FUTURE, A FREEWAY THAT HAD BEEN PLANNED TO GO THROUGH THERE.
AND THEN WHEN THAT WAS REMOVED, UH, FROM THE GENERAL PLAN, UH, THEY STARTED TO SELL OFF THEIR EXCESS LAND PROPERTIES AND THEN THE CITY JUST APPLIED THE EXISTING GENERAL PLAN DESIGNATIONS THAT WERE THERE.
UM, CAN WE, CAN WE GO ONLINE AND PUT, PULL UP THE SITE, BUT LIKE ON A GOOGLE MAPS SO THAT WE CAN MOVE IT AROUND AND PAN IN AND OUT AND STUFF.
WERE YOU AWARE THAT OTHER OPTION? I'M JUST CURIOUS.
YEAH, I WAS AWARE AFTER I SPENT A LOT OF MONEY TO PROCESSES PLAN AT ALL, AND THEN AFTERWARDS, THE SORT OF CHANGE GOING, THE STAFF I HAD, THE DIRECTOR WAS LEAVING THE PUBLIC GROUP DIRECTOR STEPPED DOWN AND THEN THE TWO DEPUTY DIRECTOR STEPPED IN AND THEN THE PLAN DEPARTMENT PERSON LEFT THE DEPARTMENT.
SO A LOT OF MOVING, GOING ON, A LOT OF, UH, DISCUSSION OR MAIN UP, UH, COMMENTS ARE MADE AND APPROVALS ARE MADE.
AND THEN A LOT OF CHANGE HAPPENED.
AND AFTER I SPOKE WITH AN OWEN SPINES SPENCER, A COUPLE WEEKS AGO, THEY DIDN'T MENTION THIS PLAN, BUT I'M ALREADY WAY DEEP DOWN WITH COSTS.
I KIND OF GO BACK AND REDO THIS AT THIS POINT.
I'M JUST A WORKER, JUST A REGULAR GUY.
WHO'S WORKING, TRY TO BUILD THIS DREAM HOME.
SO NOW YOU GOTTA BUILD ABLE TO, UH, I, THE REASON WE PUT TWO ON THE PLAN, UH, DUE TO THE ENGINEER RECOMMENDED THE ALREADY SPENDING THE MONEY.
WHY NOT SUBDIVIDED? YOU HAVE THE PIECE OF THE LAND, UH, THEN TEND TO BE JUST BUILDING ONE HOME AND THAT'S IT.
YEAH, I DON'T HAVE THE, AGAIN, I'M NOT A DEVELOPER.
SO YOU INDICATED THAT THIS ROAD IMPROVEMENT HAD BEEN ON THE GENERAL PLAN FOR QUITE SOME TIME.
UM, AND, UM, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE GENERAL PLAN IS A PUBLIC RECORD.
UM, SO ANYONE COULD GO ON AND LOOK AND SEE, AND YOU KNOW, THE, THE INFORMATION WAS THERE THAT THERE WOULD BE A REQUIREMENT, AT LEAST IF YOU WERE TO FOLLOW THE GENERAL PLAN TO IMPROVE THE ROAD, THIS WAS NOT SOMETHING THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN THE, I'LL SAY THE, UM, OBLIGATION OF EVEN A STAFF MEMBER AT THE F AT A FRONT DESK TO CONVEY THAT INFORMATION SINCE IT'S, I MEAN, IT WOULD BE HELPFUL, BUT NOT OBLIGATORY, CORRECT.
IT'S SHOWN ON THE GENERAL MAP AS BEING A ROAD THAT WOULD CONTINUE THROUGH.
UM, IT'S NOT SOMEONE WOULD HAVE TO MAKE THAT ASSUMPTION.
UM, WHEN LOOKING AT THE SUBJECT SITE IN ITS UNDEVELOPED STATE, THAT THAT WOULD BE A REQUIREMENT.
UM, BUT IT WOULD HAVE BEEN SOMETHING THAT WOULD COME UP THROUGH REVIEW, UM, AND THROUGH QUESTIONING.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU.
IS A, AND GIVE US YOUR NAME, SPELLING YOUR LAST NAME.
WHAT'S YOUR PICTURE DOES NOT SHOW YOU.
SEE THE BAND WHERE TRENTON GOES DOWN AND MEET, UH, UH, MAKE SOME RIGHT ANGLE, JUST EAST OF ONE OF THE THING YOU WANT TO HAVE THE LOTS, OKAY.
ALL THOSE UNITS IN THAT BACK AREA BEFORE THIS PLANNING COMMISSION, MANY YEARS AGO, WHEN THAT WAS, HAD A SINGLE HOUSE ON IT, AND SOMEBODY WANTED TO PUT A BUNCH ON MOVE ONS THAT WERE REMOVED FROM FREEWAY, FUTURE ACCESS AREAS, THE PEOPLE THAT DON'T LIVE IN THERE AT THIS INTERSECTION AND COME ROARING DOWN TRENTON TO MADISON,
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MAKE A LEFT TURN ON MADISON AND GO TO THE SCHOOLS.IF THEY'RE NOT ROARING DOWN TO THE SCHOOLS, THEY'RE ROWING DOWN AND MAKING A RIGHT TURN, HEADING WEST ON MADISON TO GO TO WORK WHEREVER THEY'RE GOING.
I'M IN TALKING TO THE COUNCIL MEMBER FOR THIS CITY COVERAGE, THAT AREA AND ASKED HIM WHY CANTON OR SOMETHING ABOUT THEIR SPEED.
AND THAT'S A RESIDENTIAL STREET.
AND THE SPEED LIMIT IS 25 MILES AN HOUR.
I LIVE HOME A LOT AND 5, 5, 5 TRENTON.
I'VE GOT A FIRE HYDRANT IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE.
AND THEN THE STREET RANKS ARE GENERAL SLEEP PILLOW, RIGHT? AND THAT'S WHAT HE BROUGHT TO THE LEFT.
I AIN'T GOING TO PROPOSE THAT THEY PUT SPEED BUMPS ON THE STREET TO SLOW DOWN THESE SPEEDER.
AND WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WHEN YOU OPEN THAT TO OAKDALE.
WHEN THEY'RE GOING TO WORK WITH DOWN NIT TO OAK DAM, TO HEAD DOWN TO SECOND STREET OR HAD EAST ON A TOTAL DISREGARD FOR RESIDENTIAL SPEED OF 25 MILES AN HOUR, A HELL OF A LOT OF KIDS IN THAT AREA.
THE REASON I BOUGHT HOUSE ON TRENTON WAS BECAUSE OF THE SCHOOL.
TOM WAS PLANNING ON MARRYING THE YOUNG LADY AND PREPARING THE KIDS TO GO SAYS GOALS.
YOU OPEN THAT UP AND IT'S GOING TO BE WARSH, GOING TO HAVE SPEEDERS GOING DOWN TO OAK DOWN, STRAIGHT DOWN THAT MAIN STREET IS THERE, MAKE A RIGHT ON, CONTINUE ON DOWN ON DOWN THE SECOND STREET.
LET ME ASK MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS TO HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS YOU DON'T COME BACK, COME BACK, SEE IF OUR FELLOW COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS THAT THEY'D LIKE TO ASK YOU.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? OH, SO YOUR MAPS SPECIFICALLY.
I ELIMINATED THE PEOPLE ON TRENTON.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, GENTLEMAN.
THAT'S DISCRIMINATION UNDER THE ANGER.
THE NEXT SPEAKER, UM, MARTHA AVERY, MY NAME IS MARTHA AVERY, A V E R Y.
I LIVE AT 5 73 DURHAM STREET, WHICH IS ADJACENT TO DELL'S PROPERTY.
SO WITH MINT GOING THROUGH, IT'S GOING TO, LET'S SEE IF YOU DREW A LINE RIGHT NOW ON THE SOUTH SECTION FROM, UM, ELK DALE TO MINT.
THAT'S MY HOUSE RIGHT BELOW THAT.
AND I, I ENDED UP, I BOUGHT IT FROM CALTRANS.
WELL, TWO THINGS WHEN I FIRST WANTED THE PROPERTY AND REALIZE THAT CALTRANS WAS GOING TO, UH, I FORGET WHAT THEY CALL IT, BUT THEY FINALLY DECIDED TO GET RID OF SOMETHING.
THEY'RE GOING TO PUT IT UP FOR BED.
UM, I WENT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
I'M SURE HE DOESN'T REMEMBER IT.
IT WAS PROBABLY 10 OR MORE YEARS AGO.
AND I HAD PICTURES OF MY PROPERTY AND HOW IT SIT AND WHERE ANYWAY, I ASKED THE QUESTION, IS MINT EVER GOING TO GO THROUGH? NEVER.
HE EVEN WENT BACK AND TALKED TO WHOEVER WAS IN CHARGE OF HIM.
HE SAYS, NO, THERE IS NO PLAN FOR MEANT EVER TO GO THROUGH.
SO I PURSUED, I DIDN'T BUY THE PROPERTY BECAUSE MINT WASN'T GOING TO GO THROUGH.
BUT THAT WAS PART OF MY, WHAT, MY KNOWLEDGE.
AND THEN, UM, I, WHEN I'M TRYING TO THINK THE SECOND TIME, OH, WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT THE PROPERTY AND TALKING WITH CALTRANS AGAIN, TRYING TO DECIDE, AND MY DAUGHTER WHO LIVES NEXT DOOR TO ME, SHE CALLED AND SHE GOT THE, NO IT'S NEVER GOING THROUGH.
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BECAUSE 10 YEARS AGO IN THE BIG PLAN, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY CHANGE AND HOW OFTEN THEY CHANGE AND HOW I WOULD KNOW THEY CHANGE, BUT THERE'S BEEN A CHANGE AND NOTHING WAS EVER SAID TO ANYBODY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, EXCEPT FOR RECENTLY AS THAT PROPERTY IS NOW PRIVATELY OWNED.AND THEY'VE TOLD ME THAT IF I DO ANY IMPROVEMENTS, WHICH I'D LIKE TO DO, UH, I WILL TRIGGER THE STREET GOING THROUGH.
AND THAT'S WHERE, THAT'S WHERE DALE IS RIGHT NOW.
HE LOSES HALF A HUGE CHUNK OF HIS LAND.
AND, AND HE HAD NO WAY OF KNOWING THAT WOULD POSSIBLY HAPPEN BECAUSE ALL THE INFORMATION THAT WE GOT AND THAT I GATHERED WAS NO, IT WASN'T GOING TO HAPPEN.
SO THERE'S A TIME MAYBE, MAYBE, UM, DIRECTOR OF COMMITTEE OF THE DEVELOPMENT COULD TELL ME WHEN THAT CHANGED, BECAUSE IT WAS NOT THAT WAY IN THE, IN THE BEGINNING.
AND I'VE LIVED THERE OVER 50 YEARS.
UM, NOAH, WHEN WAS IT INCLUDED IN THE GENERAL PLAN THAT THAT STREET WE'LL GO THROUGH? DO YOU KNOW? SO IT IT'S BEEN SHOWN ON THE GENERAL PLAN, UM, SINCE THE LAST MAJOR UPDATE IN THE 1980S.
SO THE 1984 REVISION TO THE MAPS AND THEN CARRYING FORWARD.
I THINK THAT THERE'S ONE, I THINK, NUANCE IN THESE DISCUSSIONS AND CONVERSATIONS THAT SOMETIMES OCCURS AT THE PUBLIC COUNTER AND IT'S WITH REGARDS TO, UM, WHEN ROADS ARE GOING TO BE CONSTRUCTED.
SO SOMETIMES PEOPLE WILL ASK, UM, YOU KNOW, IS THE CITY GOING TO BUILD THAT ROAD? OR WHEN IS THAT ROAD GOING TO GO THROUGH? AND SO THE RESPONSE FROM STAFF WOULD TYPICALLY BE, UM, THERE'S NO PLANS, UH, FOR THAT ROAD TO BE CONSTRUCTED BY THE CITY AT THIS POINT.
AND THAT, UM, THE CITY ONLY REQUIRES PUBLIC ROAD IMPROVEMENTS IN CONJUNCTION WITH NEW CONSTRUCTION OR THE SUBDIVISION OF LAND.
SO I KNOW IT'S A BIT OF A NUANCE, BUT I WOULD SAY THAT, UM, THAT YOU COULD ASK A QUESTION ABOUT WHEN THE ROADS GOING THROUGH, AND WE CAN SAY THAT THERE'S NO PLANS FOR THE ROAD TO GO THROUGH, UH, ON THE CITY.
BUT IF SOMEONE WERE TO BRING FORWARD AN APPLICATION THAT WAS WHEN WE WOULD REVIEW IT AND THEN CONDITION IT BASED ON THE GENERAL PLAN.
WELL, WE BOTH BOUGHT THE CALTRANS PROPERTY WITH THE KNOWLEDGE THAT IT WASN'T GOING TO GO THROUGH.
DO YOU HAVE FEDERAL COMMISSION? DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MS. SAVORY? I'M JUST CURIOUS ON THAT PLAN.
WHEN IF THAT ROAD IS TO BE BUILT, ARE THEY GOING TO PUT A CURB ALONG HER PROPERTY LINE AND A SIDEWALK? IS THAT THE PLAN? SO AGAINST THE FULL, SO THE APPLICANT'S, UM, EXTENDS ACROSS THE FULL WIDTH OF THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.
AND IT'S CONDITIONED FOR FULL WIDTH STREET IMPROVEMENTS, INCLUDING CURBS, GUTTERS, AND SIDEWALKS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET.
SO, AND I I'M PHIL, I SAW THAT YOU HAVE A FENCE THERE I DO NOW.
AND ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT, AND THEN ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT WOULD BE WHERE THE CURB AND GUTTER GO A SIDEWALK IF IT GOES THROUGH.
ANY QUICK COMMISSIONER CIRCLE? UH, MRS. AVERY, YES, I WAS LOOKING AT THE LOT.
IS YOUR LOT CURVED? NO, I BOUGHT THAT CURVE.
WHAT I BOUGHT FROM CALTRAIN, I OWN THE PROPERTY WITH THE ROUND, BUT I BOUGHT THAT TRIANGLE.
THE NEXT SPEAKER, DEREK TRAMPY PLEASE.
THAT'S T R I M AS IN MICHAEL P AS IN PAUL, I AND I LIVE AT 5 75 MACON STREET.
THAT'S THE FIRST STREET TO THE EAST OF WHERE THIS IS GOING TO OPEN UP.
AND I HAVE TWO HOUSES DOWN FROM MINT AVENUE, 1959.
MY GRANDPARENTS BOUGHT THAT HOUSE WHEN IT WAS BRAND NEW IN THAT DIVISION.
MY MOM AND HER SISTER GREW UP IN THAT HOUSE AND PLAYING ON MINT AVENUE.
I GREW UP PLAYING ON THE STREETS, WALKING THOSE STREETS, MINT AVENUE WAS CLOSED.
MY TWO GIRLS AGED 18 MONTHS AND SEVEN.
NOW WE'RE GROWING UP, WALKING THESE STREETS, PLAYING ON THESE STREETS.
WE DON'T GET MUCH TRAFFIC, BUT THAT'S ALL GOING TO CHANGE.
IF MAN GETS OPENED UP TO OAKDALE, THERE'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC THAT COMES DOWN OAKDALE MORNING, SCHOOL, TRAFFIC AFTERNOON, SCHOOL TRAFFIC.
WHAT DO YOU, THINK'S GOING TO HAPPEN TO THE PEOPLE THAT WAIT IN THAT LINE IN THE MORNING, THEY'RE GOING TO TRY AND COME THROUGH OUR NEIGHBORHOODS, LEAVING SCHOOL IN THE AFTERNOON, COMING IN THE MORNING, OAKDALE.
THAT'S GOING TO REQUIRE THE CITY TO LOOK AT THAT INTERSECTION AND REDO THAT INTERSECTION.
HAVING A YIELD, GOING THROUGH TO OAKDALE ON THE MAN IS NOT GONNA WORK.
IT'S GONNA BE WAY TOO MANY TRAFFIC CARS
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GOING THROUGH.THERE'S GOING TO BE TRAFFIC ACCIDENTS.
IT'S UNSAFE FOR EVERYBODY WALKING THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE HAVE A LOT OF KIDS, A LOT OF ELDERLY.
WE HAVE A LOT OF WIVES AND MEN OUT WALKING THEIR DOGS EVERY DAY.
THE TRAFFIC WILL BE A NIGHTMARE GOING THROUGH.
THEY'RE COMING TO SCHOOL IN THE MORNING.
THEY'RE ALL GOING TO FILE THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOODS.
THEY'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE TO TURN BACK OUT ONTO MADISON.
IT'S GOING TO CLOG UP MADISON, EVEN MORE WITH PEOPLE TRYING TO MAKE LEFT-HAND TURNS OUT OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD ALL MORNING LONG, LEAVING SCHOOL, SAME THING.
SO I'M OPPOSING THIS STREET AND I HOPE THAT YOU GUYS CAN SEE WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
AND MAYBE WE CAN DO A TRAFFIC STUDY OR SOMETHING, BECAUSE EITHER WAY, IT'S GOING TO CAUSE A LOT MORE PROBLEMS THAN IT'S GOING TO SOLVE WELL TONIGHT.
UH, WE'RE CONSIDERING SUBDIVIDING THAT, THAT LAND, BUT, UH, THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE STREET, UH, IT'S UP TO THE OWNER OF DEVELOPERS FROM WHAT WE'RE TAKING, IT'S ALL IN THE SAME PLAN.
WHAT YOU GUYS ARE APPROVING TONIGHT IS APPROVING THAT WHOLE THING.
CAUSE IT'S LISTED AS STREET IMPROVEMENTS RIGHT THERE IN THE AGENDA, RIGHT? BECAUSE IT IS IN THE GENERAL PLAN FOR, AND THAT'S WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING.
W WHAT IS THE STREET RIGHT THERE? IS THAT DURHAM? THE ONE THAT'S RIGHT THERE.
THE WEST AND MEGAN'S TO THE EAST.
SO CURRENTLY, WHAT STREET ARE PEOPLE TAKING TO GET TO GRANTED? CAUSE I KNOW THEY'RE CUTTING THROUGH.
WELL, I'VE I LIVE OFF BERMUDA OFF GREENFIELD, SO I KNOW, I KNOW THAT RIGHT THERE IN OUR, IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, THEY TAKE INTO HIM.
WHAT ABOUT THE STREET IN FRONT OF IT? WHAT'S THE OTHER ONE? THERE'S THAT? THIRD.
SO THOSE ARE THE TWO THAT THEY'RE BASICALLY CUTTING THROUGH NOW THROUGH THERE.
IF THAT'S OPEN, YOU GOT FOUR MORE SHOOTS TO RUN DOWN.
THEY'LL BE GONE ALL THROUGH THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
TRYING TO TURN LEFT ONTO MADISON IN THE MORNINGS.
SO I I'VE HEARD THE TERM MORE TRAFFIC, MORE TRAFFIC, MORE TRAFFIC.
ARE YOU ANTICIPATING MORE CARS ON THE STREETS THAN CURRENTLY? ARE THERE GOING TO BE MORE STUDENTS ATTENDING? I'M JUST CONFUSED ABOUT WHERE MORE TRAFFIC IS COMING FROM, OR IS IT JUST GOING TO DISPERSE THE TRAFFIC ONTO DIFFERENT STREETS? IT'S GOING TO DISPERSE THE CURRENT TRAFFIC THAT'S THERE THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT THEN WHEN THEY'RE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THEY STILL HAVE TO TRY AND TURN LEFT OUT OF ALL THOSE STREETS, BACK ON TO MADISON, WHICH IS GOING TO CAUSE EVEN MORE PROBLEMS THAN PEOPLE JUST WAITING IN LINE AND MADISON TO GO UP TO MADISON ELEMENTARY IN GRANITE HILLS HIGH SCHOOL, BECAUSE NOW YOU'RE GONNA HAVE ALL THESE CARS THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO CUT TIME, GOING THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOODS, TRYING TO TURN LEFT, CUTTING THE TRUCK, CUTTING ACROSS WESTBOUND TRAFFIC TO GO EAST TO THE SCHOOLS.
IF IT WOULD BE MORE DIFFICULT TO MAKE A LEFT-HAND TURN.
I KNOW MYSELF AS A DRIVER AND A MOTHER AND A GRANDMOTHER THAT PICKS UP A CHILD, I'M GOING TO CHOOSE TO PICK A RIGHT-HAND TURN.
AND SO, BECAUSE IT IS ESPECIALLY IF I, IF I AM TIGHT, TIGHT FOR TIME.
SO I'M JUST WONDERING IF WE'RE THINKING SOMETHING MIGHT HAPPEN.
AND IN SOME WAYS THIS MIGHT ALLEVIATE SOME OF THE ISSUES OF PEOPLE WHO ARE NOW TRYING TO SPEED AROUND BECAUSE THEY'VE WAITED IN A LONGER LINE AND THEY'VE BEEN ABLE TO PASS THROUGH SOMETHING QUICKER AND DROP THEIR CHILD OFF OR PICK THEIR CHILD UP.
YOU COULD MAKE A RIGHT-HAND TURN, BUT THEN YOU WOULDN'T BE GOING TO THE SCHOOL.
SO YOU WOULDN'T BE DRIVING THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ANYWAYS.
SCHOOLS ARE EAST OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
COMMISSIONER ROAD, PUBLIC ROAD.
UM, BEING SOMEONE WHO LIVES BY SCHOOL, I DON'T LIVE BY GRANITE, BUT I LIVE BY GROSS SPOT AND I DO THE, AT THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAS ISSUES WITH TRAFFIC.
I KNOW THAT PART OF THE GENERAL PLAN IS TO HAVE THIS GO THROUGH AND I KNOW SOMEONE DISCUSSED HAVING SPEED BUMPS.
WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE UNDER CONSIDERATION BECAUSE THAT MIGHT ALLEVIATE SOME OF THE ISSUES WITH SPEED BECAUSE IT IS PART OF THE PLAN.
I KNOW THE SPEED BUMPS ARE, BUT I KNOW REGARDLESS OF GENERAL PLAN DOES HAVE THIS ROAD GOING THROUGH, IF YOU DO DEVELOPS.
PLANNING, COMMISSIONERS, MARIO SANCHEZ, CITY ENGINEER.
UM, IT'S BEEN A LONG GOING, UH, POLICY THAT THE CITY DOES NOT PUT IN SPEED BUMPS.
UH, THEY DO OTHER MEASURES AND LOOK AT SPEED, UM, MEASURE THE SPEED, PUT OUT SPEED LIMIT SIGNS AND UH, ASK, UH, THE POLICE TO ENFORCE ANY, ANY CONDITIONS, TRAFFIC CONDITIONS OUT THERE.
WE, YOU KNOW, WE DO, SOMETIMES WE PUT IT IN STOP SIGNS WHERE IT'S WARRANTED AND SO FORTH, BUT FOR THE FIRST STEP WE DON'T PUT IN SPEED BUMPS.
THE ONLY REASON I ASK IS CAUSE I DO LIVE WHERE THEY DID PUT A WHOLE BUNCH OF SPEED BUMPS AND ON DWAYNE AND ALSO ON EL MONTE AND A FEW OTHER STREETS,
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THERE WAS BECAUSE THERE WAS A SPEED PROBLEM.THAT WAS THE ONLY REASON WHY I ASKED THAT.
SO THEY'RE JUST TOO CONTROVERSIAL AND THAT'S WHY THEY DID AWAY WITH PUTTING IN A SPEED BUMPS.
AND THE LAST TIME WE PUT THEM IN WAS PROBABLY ABOUT 2008.
SO, AND THAT WAS ON THE CITY STREETS THOUGH.
IT WAS ON CITY STREETS ON LINCOLN.
SO WHAT WAS THE CONTROVERSY? PEOPLE ARE DRIVING TOO SLOW.
NOW I'M NOT DRIVING TOO SLOW AT THE TIME.
IT TAKES TO CROSS SPEED, THE CROSS, THE STREET SUSPENSION TO THEIR VEHICLES.
SOME PEOPLE WITH BAD BACKS, UH, COMPLAINED ABOUT HURTING THEIR BACKS AND SO FORTH.
THE NEXT SPEAKER, MICHAEL PEPIN.
I DO WORK FOR A WATER DISTRICT HERE IN TOWN, BUT I'M NOT REPRESENTING THEM AT ALL.
WHEN I SPEAK HERE TONIGHT, I WILL GET THAT CLEAR.
UM, HOWEVER, I WILL SAY I RESPOND TO NUMEROUS EMERGENCIES DAILY DEALING WITH THE CITY OFFICIALS ONSITE, UM, MAKING IT THROUGH STREET HERE.
ISN'T GOING TO HELP ANY OF THAT.
AS FAR AS RESPONDING TO EMERGENCIES.
IT DOESN'T MATTER IF WE COME DOWN, UM, MAKING OR DURHAM, UH, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE MAPS OF WHAT STREETS ARE OPEN.
UM, I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT, I GREW UP ON JADE AVENUE, UH, 42 YEARS.
I LIVE ON A VERDIN STREET NOW WITH MY FAMILY OF FOUR.
UM, SPEED IS AN ISSUE ALREADY, UM, WITH SOME OF THE YOUNGER DRIVERS IN THE AREA AND I'VE CALLED THE CITY NUMEROUS TIMES AND I GET THE SAME STORY ABOUT THE SPEED BUMPS.
UM, WHAT I SEE HERE IS, UM, I DEAL WITH IT ALSO WITH WHAT I DO WHEN WE SEE SOMETHING COME UP LIKE THIS, WE SEE WHAT WE CAN DO TO, TO IMPROVE OUR AREA.
UM, BUT DOING THIS, YOU'RE OPENING UP THIS ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD 10 UNFORTUNATE SITUATION THAT'S GOING ON AT EAST MAIN STREET.
AND IF YOU DRIVE THAT TONIGHT, YOU'LL SEE WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
IT'S TURNED BAD DOWN THERE AND YOU'RE OPENING UP THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, THIS FRIENDS THAT COME OVER FROM A DIFFERENT AREAS.
IT'S ONE HONEY HOLE LEFT IN THIS TOWN, THAT'S SAFE AND HE SPAN ISN'T AND YOU'RE MAKING IT THROUGH STREET FROM EAST MAIN.
AND YOU'RE OPENING IT UP TO ALL THESE LITTLE STREETS THAT ARE LEFT REALLY GOOD NEIGHBORHOODS, THAT A LOT OF FAMILIES LIVED THERE FOR 40 YEARS.
AND, UM, THIS POOR GUY IS TRYING TO BUILD A NICE HOME FOR HIS FAMILY.
AND WE ALL KNOW IF YOU PUT A COL-DE-SAC IN THERE, HE'D HAVE A REALLY NICE SETUP FOR HIS FAMILY.
I SEE A, A QUICK GRAB AT A STREET MAKING THIS GUY PAY FOR IT.
AND I'M, I DON'T THINK IT'S RIGHT.
AND I THINK IF YOU REALLY STUDY THESE MAPS AND GO DRIVE THIS AREA, YOU'LL SEE WHAT YOU'RE OPENING UP AND IT'S GOING TO BE A MESS FOR ME AND MY FAMILY.
UM, I ALSO HAVE A RENTAL ON GALENA AND, UM, IF THE STREET GOES THROUGH, I'M OUT, THEY'LL BOTH BE SOLD BECAUSE, UM, I'VE SEEN THE SITUATION AND HOW IT'S CHANGED OVER THE YEARS.
AND THERE'S NOTHING GOOD GOING ON AT MAIN STREET.
AND YOU'RE OPENING THAT UP TO HOMELESS AND OTHER BAD SITUATIONS THAT WE'VE FORTUNATELY BEEN SHELTERED FROM BECAUSE THEY DON'T COME THROUGH THERE.
THEY JUST TURN AND THEY COME OUT TO MADISON, THEY HEAD RIGHT BACK OUT TO SECOND STREET.
SO I, I HOPE YOU GUYS LOOK AT THIS REAL HARD BEFORE YOU DO THIS.
AND, UM, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE GOOD FOR ANY OF US.
UH, STAFF, WHAT'S THE POSSIBILITY OF HAVING A CUL-DE-SAC THERE ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ROAD WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE SEQUENCE AND THROUGH THE ENVIRONMENTAL STUDY AND ALL THAT IN ORDER TO HAVE THAT DONE COMPLETED.
SO ESSENTIALLY IT WOULD HAVE TO BE PART OF THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSAL, SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO PROPOSE TO AMEND THE GENERAL PLAN.
AND THEN, UM, THEY WOULD HAVE TO PROPOSE A NEW ROAD DESIGN THAT COULD BE EVALUATED BY THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT.
AND THEN IT WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH ADDITIONAL REVIEWS, UM, IN ORDER TO, UH, DETERMINE THE APPROPRIATE, UM, CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL AND THEN ANALYZED FOR CONSISTENCY WITH THE GENERAL PLAN.
UM, AND THEN, LIKE YOU SAID, UH, THE SEQUENCE ANALYSIS TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY ASSOCIATED IMPACTS WITH THAT CHANGE.
AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, THAT OPTION WAS PRESENTED, BUT ULTIMATELY THE APPLICANT DECIDED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS PROPOSAL, WHICH IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GENERAL PLAN.
AND THE GENERAL PLAN, NOT THE GENERAL PLAN, THE DISCLOSURES, AND THIS MIGHT BE FOR MISS LUCK, UM, AS A SELLER OF A PROPERTY, CALTRANS WAS THE SELLER OF THE PROPERTY, IS THAT CORRECT? WOULD IT HAVE BEEN THEIR OBLIGATION TO HAVE DISCLOSED ANY OF THIS INFORMATION OR AGAIN, SINCE IT'S A MATTER OF PUBLIC RECORD, IT WOULD BE THE BUYER'S RESPONSIBILITY TO INVESTIGATE.
I'M NOT SURE I'M NOT AWARE OF WHAT THE CONDITIONS
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ARE FOR CALTRANS SELLING ITS PROPERTY.IF I WERE TO GUESS, I WOULD SAY IT WOULD BE, UM, IT WOULD BE ON THE BUYER TO LOOK INTO IT AND INVESTIGATE.
AND SINCE THE CITY'S GENERAL PLAN IS A PUBLIC RECORD AND IS AVAILABLE, UH, THIS IS SOMETHING THEY PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE LOOKED INTO.
AND SO JUST TO CLARIFY WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON, WE'RE SIMPLY VOTING ON THE SUBDIVISION, NOT MAKING A CHANGE TO THE GENERAL PLAN, WHICH IS WHAT WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT.
WHEN YOU GET OUT OF THE MIC F AS IN FRANK, L O T AS IN TOM.
I AM THE NEIGHBOR TO THE RIGHT OF THE LOT, EAST OF THE LOT.
AND WE BOUGHT THAT HOUSE ZOOM IN ON THAT FOR ME, DECEMBER, 2019 WITH A, THE ATTRACTION FOR OUR KIDS TO BE SAFE AND PLAY OUTSIDE.
LIKE SOME OF MY NEIGHBORS HAVE MENTIONED OPENING THAT ROAD WOULD BRING IN MORE TRAFFIC, LIKE SOME HAVE MENTIONED INCREASED TRANSIENT POPULATION CRIME.
THIS IS THE ONE LAST POCKET IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
I CAN COUNT ON MY FINGERS SINCE THE TIME WE MOVED IN, WHERE WE'VE HAD TO CALL THE COPS FOR SOMETHING IT'S BEEN LIKE TWICE, WE FEEL SAFE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE LOVE OUR NEIGHBORS, KIDS FROM MULTIPLE STREETS DOWN FLOCKED TO THIS SIDE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO PLAY.
THEY RIDE BIKES, OPENING THIS UP WOULD CHANGE ALL OF THAT.
IT'S NOT THAT WE DON'T WANT A NEIGHBOR.
WE'RE EXCITED TO HAVE DELL BUILD A HOME FOR HIS FAMILY.
OUR NEIGHBORS ARE HERE TONIGHT SUGGESTING THAT THAT ROAD DOES NOT GO ALL THE WAY THROUGH WHETHER IT'S A CUL-DE-SAC OR A RETAINING WALL.
ON ONE SIDE, WE JUST REALLY, TRULY DON'T WANT THE ROAD TO GO ALL THE WAY THROUGH IN THE WEEK THAT YOU GUYS SENT US THE LETTER NOTIFYING US ABOUT THIS MEETING.
AND I NOTICED THAT THERE'S ONLY ABOUT 22 HOUSES THAT WERE BECAUSE WE HAVE THE MOST, I GUESS, CRUCIAL IMPACT TO THIS.
WE TOOK IT UPON OURSELVES TO WALK DOOR TO DOOR AND TALK TO OUR NEIGHBORS ABOUT THIS.
WE COLLECTED ABOUT A HUNDRED SIGNATURES FROM NEIGHBORS THAT DO NOT WANT THIS ROAD TO GO THROUGH.
AND I'M HAPPY TO PROVIDE THAT TO YOU GUYS TONIGHT.
I FEEL LIKE YOUR SUGGESTION OF ONLY THESE 22 HOUSES IS INCONSIDERATE TO THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
NOT JUST THESE 22 HOUSES ARE AFFECTED.
MY ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD BE AFFECTED BY THIS, ON THE EAST SIDE.
AND THEN I GUESS I HAVE A QUESTION FOR ALL OF YOU AS IF WE HAVEN'T HAD THIS ROAD FOREVER.
WHY DO WE HAVE TO HAVE IT NOW? WHY, WHY CAN'T WE LEAVE IT AS IS? I UNDERSTAND THAT PLANS WERE IN PLACE A LONG TIME AGO, BUT THINGS HAVE CHANGED.
THIS IS A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S SAFE THAT HAS LOTS OF FAMILIES ADDING THAT ROAD.
MAYBE IT ADDS A LITTLE BIT OF LESS TRAFFIC FROM THE SCHOOLS, BUT TO BE HONEST, I REALLY TRULY FEEL LIKE IT'S GOING TO DO THE OPPOSITE.
AS SOON AS PARENTS KNOW THAT THAT STREET IS OPEN, THEY ARE GOING TO CUT THROUGH AND COME FLYING DOWN THAT STREET.
I CHALLENGE YOU IF YOU DON'T LIVE IN GRANITE HILLS, COME DRIVE THROUGH MY NEIGHBORHOOD AND YOU'LL SEE EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
COME OUT AT SEVEN 30 IN THE MORNING AND THREE O'CLOCK IN THE AFTERNOON.
IT IS EIGHT SHIT AT THAT FOUR WAY STOP.
SO I REALLY HOPE THAT YOU GUYS TAKE OUR CONSIDERATIONS INTO ACCOUNT TONIGHT THAT WE ARE ALL FOR DELL BUILDING A HOME AND THE PLANS THAT HE'S SUGGESTED, BUT I FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO BACKPEDAL HERE AND MAYBE HE DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT HE HAD SUBMITTED.
MAYBE HE DID, BUT WE DO NOT WANT THIS ROAD TO GO ALL THE WAY THROUGH.
IT WOULD BE VERY, VERY, VERY BAD FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, IF MR. SHARP WANTS TO BUILD A SINGLE HOME, WHICH SEEMS LIKE HE DOES, HE WOULD HAVE TO, UH, HAVE THE ROAD GO THROUGH CORRECT.
UM, SO AGAIN, BECAUSE OF THE ADJACENT SUBDIVISIONS IN THE PAST, AND THAT ONE FOOT STRIP THAT DOES SEPARATE THE PROPERTY FROM A PUBLIC STREET, HE TECHNICALLY HAS NO LEGAL ACCESS TO THAT LOT, WHICH NECESSITATES A MAP, UH, WHICH IS WHAT IS SUBMITTED.
SO, BUT LIKE WE SAID, WE CAN REARRANGE THE GENERAL PLAN.
HE CAN GET AN ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STUDY AND WE CAN LOOK AT OTHER OPTIONS IF HE WANTS TO GO THAT ROUTE.
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CONCERN AND I'VE, I'VE, I'VE SEEN THIS HAPPEN, UH, NUMEROUS TIMES IS PEOPLE WILL PURCHASE THINGS.THEN THEY'LL GET TOLD, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY BECAUSE YOU GUYS NOTHING'S TRIGGERED UNTIL SOMEONE WANTS TO DO SOMETHING.
SO JUST SO EVERYONE IN THE PUBLIC UNDERSTANDS A LOT OF TIMES, NONE OF US, INCLUDING US PUBLIC KNOW THAT WHEN WE GO TO GET A PERMIT AT THAT POINT IN TIME, WHEN YOU EXERCISE A PERMIT, EVERYTHING OVER THE LAST 70 WITH THE STATE AND THE LOCAL GOVERNMENTS GETS TRIGGERED, WHETHER IT'S A ROAD OR YOU NOW HAVE TO HAVE A SIX FOOT RETAINING WALL, OR SO KEEP THAT IN MIND WHEN YOU GUYS ARE LOOKING AT STUFF TO MAKE SURE IF YOU OWN A BUSINESS, THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT YOU FIND OUT WHAT'S GOING TO BE TRIGGERED BY THE PERMIT.
PERFECT EXAMPLE, IF YOU OWN A COMMERCIAL PLACE AND YOU WANT TO DO A REMODEL AND YOU DON'T HAVE ADA, IT'S TRIGGERED AT THAT TIME AND YOU MAY HAVE TO PUT IT IN YOUR DRIVEWAY.
AND SO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I'M SEEING THIS HAPPENED HERE.
REALLY MORE THAN ANYTHING IS THAT EVERYTHING WAS FINE UNTIL SOMETHING WAS GOING TO BE CHANGED.
THEY SAID, OKAY, NOW WE'VE GOT TO BRING IT UP TO CODE.
SO I JUST KIND OF WANTED TO GIVE YOU GUYS THAT KNOWLEDGE AS WELL, HOW THAT WORKS.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR MS. FLOUT? YES.
WELL, FOR YOU AND FOR EVERYONE HERE, CAUSE I UNDERSTAND YOU DON'T WANT THAT ROAD TO GO THROUGH AND I KNOW JUST MAKE IT A CALL TO SACK, BUT SEQUEL IS EXPENSIVE.
AND I KNOW THIS MAN IS IN DEEP SO FAR, SO I KNOW HE DOESN'T WANT TO WALK AWAY FROM IT, BUT IF THAT'S WHAT YOU REALLY WANT TO DO, THEN MAYBE HAVE A DISCUSSION OF HELPING HIM OUT TO MAKE IT A CUL-DE-SAC AND HELP HIM WITH A SEQUEL BECAUSE THAT'S A LONG PROCESS FOR HIM.
AND I KNOW YOU DON'T WANT THAT ROAD, BUT HE'S, THAT'S HIS PROPERTY NOW.
AND HE'S RESPONSIBLE REGARDLESS.
AND THAT WASN'T THE GENERAL PLAN AND IT GETS TRIGGERED UNFORTUNATELY, AND WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER THAT.
AND I'M SURE HE WOULD MUCH RATHER HAVE A CUL-DE-SAC THERE AND HAVE HIS ONE HOUSE, BUT THEN THE THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS AND ANOTHER YEAR, TWO YEARS OF HIS TIME.
AND HE WANTS TO MOVE AHEAD WITH THIS AS WELL.
SO IT'S TRYING TO FIND THAT COMMON GROUND AND OUR HANDS ARE KIND OF TIED WITH THE GENERAL PLAN.
CAUSE IT IS WHAT IT IS AND HE WAS GIVEN THE OPTION, BUT KNOWING WHAT HE'S UP AGAINST, THAT'S A PROBLEM AS WELL FOR, SO I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERN.
I LIVE BY GROSSMONT HIGH SCHOOL.
YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT NIGHTMARE? I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, WHAT GRANITE HILLS, BUT IT'S JUST LIKE DARREN SAID, IT'S TRIGGERED.
AND IF HE WANTS TO BUILD THERE, WHICH HE DOES, THIS IS KIND OF WHAT HAS TO BE DONE BECAUSE WE DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY CONTROL OVER THE GENERAL PLAN UNLESS HE WANTS TO CHANGE IT AND PAY FOR IT.
AND FROM MY UNDERSTANDING AND ALL OF MY NEIGHBORS, THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE'VE HAD WITH HIM, CAUSE WE'VE INCLUDED HIM IN ALL OF THIS.
HE DOESN'T WANT THE ROAD TO GO ALL THE WAY THROUGH EITHER.
AND WE ALL THINK IT'S KIND OF CRAZY THAT HE HAS TO PAY FOR THE ROAD AND THEN GIVE IT BACK TO THE CITY.
SO WHAT WOULD YOU RATHER PAY FOR THE ROAD OR FOR HIM TO REDO HIS PLANS? TO ME, IT MAKES SENSE TO REDO HIS PLANS.
UH, WE HAVE A SPEAKER THOMAS WELLER.
WELL, I CAME THERE EXPECTING TO SEE THE CITY COUNCIL AND I DON'T SEE A SINGLE FAMILIAR.
WE SAID, WELL, COULD YOU SPELL YOUR LAST NAME FOR US? TRY TO KEEP THIS BRIEF, MR. WELLER, COULD YOU SPELL YOUR LAST NAME FOR US, PLEASE SPELL YOUR LAST NAME.
I'M NOT VERY GOOD AT COMPREHENDING AND HEARING IN THIS ECHOING CHAMBER THAT I'M IN.
I RESIDE AT 5 0 4 MACON STREET.
I'VE BEEN A CITIZEN AND BELL CAHONE SINCE 1973, NEARLY HALF A CENTURY.
NOW LIVING ON THE CORNER OF MAKING A MADISON, YOU MIGHT KNOW ME BY MY WHITE GHOSTBUSTERS STYLE, MID FIFTIES STATION WAGONS.
I'VE ALWAYS BEEN ABOUT SHAPING AND HELPING OTHERS.
MAKING THE STREET HAS ALWAYS ENDED AT MINT AND THAT KEEPS THE NEIGHBORHOOD SHAFFER FOR US FROM SPEEDING TRAFFIC AND MORE DIFFICULTY OF ESCAPING FOR THIEVES AND VANDALISM.
DURING THAT TIME, I'VE SEEN A LOT HAPPENING ON MADISON.
50 YEARS AGO, WE HAD A US TINE ON THEIR CORNER BECAUSE THE TRAFFIC WAS LIGHTER THAN NOWADAYS THE HEAVY TRAFFIC ON MADISON GOING TO WORK IN THE MORNING, GOING TO SCHOOL IN THE MORNING AND THEN GOING HOME FROM SCHOOL AND COMING HOME FROM WORK.
DEPENDING ON THE DAY, WE HAVE FOUR TO SIX RUSH HOUR TIMES PEOPLE DRIVE ON THE WRONG SIDE OF THE ROAD TO PASS, STOP LINED UP SCHOOL TRAFFIC.
THEY DRIVE ACROSS BIKE LANES AND DOWN THE SHOULDER AT SPEED AND ABOVE IN THEIR IGNORANT IMPATIENCE.
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WE HAVE HAD CRASHES THAT MACON, TRENTON, AND BURDEN WHERE THE PEOPLE WHERE FOLKS ARE MAKING RIGHT AND LEFT TURNS INTO AND COMING OUT OF THE STREETS HAVE BEEN PLOWED INTO BY THE OVER DRIVING ON THE SHOULDER AT SPEED AND ABOVE A FRIEND OF MINE WAS RIDING HIS SMALL DAUGHTER TO SCHOOL ON HIS BIKE WAS PILED INTO RIDING ON HIS SHOULDER AND THROWN TO THE SIDEWALK.HIS DAUGHTER LANDED ON THE GRASS MEDIAN AND WASN'T HURT AS HIS BODY CUSHION TO HIT THE DRIVER THAT HIT THEM DID NOT STOP AND WAS FOLLOWED AND ATTAIN BY A WITNESS.
I HEARD THE IMPACT FROM MY HOME AND A WAILING SCREAM AND THOUGHT THAT A DOG HAD BEEN HIT BEFORE I SAW THE CRUMPLED BIKE AND HIM LAYING ON THE CONCRETE SIDEWALK WITH HIS LITTLE DAUGHTER NAMED MICHELLE AT HIM ON THE GRASS MEDIUM.
I WENT TO HIM AND ATTENDED TO HIM UNTIL THE AMBULANCE ARRIVED.
HE HAD TO SHARE HIS INJURIES, BUT SURVIVE CRIPPLED.
MANY YEARS AGO, WE HAD AN ETP D OFFICER WHO WOULD SHOW UP AT THESE TIMES AND STATIONED HIMSELF ON A MEDIAN WESTBOUND BY MY HOUSE.
AND AS THE IGNORANT CARELESS IMPATIENT SHOWS WOULD COME SPEEDING DOWN THE RIGHT HAND PARKING STRIP.
HE WOULD WAVE THEM TO HER STOP AND EDUCATE THEM WITH AN EXPENSIVE TICKET.
SOMETIMES CHEVROLET, AT A TIME I MISSED THAT OFFICER MANY YEARS BACK.
I WITNESSED HER COLLISION BETWEEN AM I OUT OF TIME? YES YOU ARE.
AND THAT WAS ENTHRALLED, BUT YOU WERE SAYING I WASN'T PAYING ATTENTION.
MR. WALLER HAS, BECAUSE I CAN'T SHARE WITH THEM ANYMORE.
WELL I'M SURE I'M MAKING TRENTON AND VERDA SHIN ARE, AND VERDUN ARE BASICALLY A CUL-DE-SAC NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE SHAVED FROM THE AUNT, AUNT
DURING THE WEEK AT PEAK TRAFFIC TIMES, WE DON'T WANT EVERY TOM DICK AND HARRY NOR SHARON, DEBBIE, OR KAREN CAREENING DOWN OUR STREET, PUTTING US IN OUR CHILDREN MUCH, MUCH LONGER.
DO YOU HAVE THE SHY FOR OVERRIDING MY TIME? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
OKAY, LAURA, WE HAVE ANYONE ELSE.
I HAVE A SPEAKER, NORMA MURPHY.
UM, ARE YOU SPEAKING ON THE ITEM TWO? I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY.
MY NAME IS NORMA MURPHY, M U R P H Y.
AND I LIVE ON 1572 MINT AVENUE.
I'VE COME HERE TODAY TO SHOW WHAT THIS NEIGHBORHOOD MEANS TO ME AND THE NEGATIVE EFFECTS IT WOULD HAVE.
IF THE ROAD OPENS IT WOULD WHAT DREW ME TO THIS BLOCK BACK IN 1998, WHEN I SINGLE MOM WITH THREE KIDS MOVED TO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE IT WAS QUIET, IT WAS QUIET AND THE BLOCK WAS THIS BIG.
AND THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT WOULD GO DOWN THAT BLOCK WERE FAMILY, FRIENDS, OR SOMEBODY WHO WAS LOST.
MY KIDS WERE ABLE TO PLAY OUTSIDE ON THEIR BIKES, PLAY WITH THEIR FRIENDS.
WHAT HAVE YOU NOT? AND I DID NOT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THAT.
AND MIND YOU, I COME FROM A BACKGROUND OF GOVERNMENT AND LAW ENFORCEMENT, AND I KNOW WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF WE OPEN PANDORA, WE ALL KNOW THAT CRIME WOULD SPEW INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.
RIGHT NOW THE CRIME RATE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS REALLY LOW.
WE ALL THE NEIGHBORHOODS TAKE CARE OF ONE ANOTHER, WATCH OUT FOR ONE ANOTHER.
AND THAT'S WHAT DREW ME TO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, AND I FEEL FOR YOU WHO LIVES NEAR GRANITE HILLS, THAT WAS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I TRY TO STAY AWAY FROM HIGH TRAFFIC, MAIN ROADS, AND THIS WAS PERFECT FOR MY FAMILY.
AND, UM, MY THING IS, UM, INSTEAD, YOU KNOW, I'M SURE THERE'S A SOLUTION.
UM, YOU KNOW, THAT WE CAN COME UP WITH WITHOUT HAVING TO OPEN THAT ROAD BECAUSE EVERYTHING, ALL MY NEIGHBORS HAD SAID IS TRUE.
I'VE SEEN IT, I'VE WITNESSED IT.
AND WHAT HAVE YOU NOT? UM, I THINK THE FUNDS NEED TO BE ALLOCATED AND OTHER AVENUES FOR OUR CITY UPGRADING OUR ROADS AND PARKS FOR OUR CHILDREN.
UNFORTUNATELY, CRIME IS ON THE RISE AND WE NEED TO TAKE CARE OF OUR FIRST RESPONDERS, LAW ENFORCEMENT WHO PUT THEMSELVES ON THE LINE FOR US.
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WAVERED AND LEADING US INTO A DIRECTION THAT IS NOT NECESSARILY A NEW ROADWAY WILL BENEFIT TRAFFIC.CAUSE IT WON'T, IT WOULD CAUSE MORE LIKE THE NEIGHBORS WERE SAYING PEOPLE TRYING TO CROSS.
I TRIED TO CROSS GOING TO MY HOME AFTER WORK AND IT'S A MESS, BUT I DEAL WITH IT.
IT WOULD ONLY HINDER OUR CHILDREN.
AND NOW THAT I'M A GRANDPARENT, I WANT MY GRANDBABIES TO BE ABLE TO PLAY OUTSIDE WITHOUT WORRYING ABOUT A SPEEDER GOING DOWN.
CAUSE WE ALL KNOW GREGORY HILLS KIDS.
OOH, SPEED RACERS, GO SPEED RACERS.
BUT ANYWAYS, I HOPE WE CAN, UM, COME TO ANOTHER OPTION OR, YOU KNOW, FIGURE SOMETHING ELSE OUT BECAUSE I HONESTLY TRULY BELIEVE.
AND LIKE I SAID, I COME FROM A BACKGROUND IN LAW ENFORCEMENT AND THAT WOULD BE NOT A SMART MOVE.
AND AS FAR AS EMERGENCY CREW GO, HAVING TO GO DOWN THAT ROAD, THEY SAID, NAH, THAT WOULDN'T HINDER IT.
THAT WOULDN'T MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE TO THEM.
SO, BUT I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS AS TIME AND LISTENING TO US ALL AND OUR CONCERNS AND I HOPE, AND I PRAY THAT, YOU KNOW, WE COME TO WHERE HE GETS, WHAT HE WANTS IN YOUR TIME IS UP.
I'M BARRY ALVART I ASSUME YOU WANT ITEM NUMBER TWO ON, OKAY.
AND COULD YOU SPELL YOUR NAME? YES.
ALVORD A L V AS IN VICTOR, O R D.
I'M RIGHT AT THE END OF, UM, MACON, UH, AND MINT THERE, UH, THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, WE DEFINITELY WILL BE AFFECTED BY THE ROAD GOING THROUGH, UM, AS EVERYONE HAS STATED, UH, WHO LIVE IN THE NEIGHBOR NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, THAT WILL DRAW IN, UH, AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC INTO THE AREA, UH, THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE BEFORE WE'RE GOING CHANGING IT FROM A CUL-DE-SAC TO A THOROUGHFARE.
AND IT'S, UM, THAT IMPACT IS, UH, UH, WEIGHS GREATLY ON, ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE OTHER, UH, UH, AREA THAT I, I WAS LOOKING AT IS THE CRIME RATE.
UH, I'D LOOKED UP A CRIME MAP, UH, FOR THIS AREA.
THE CRIME IN THE, UH, WEST AREA OF, OF THE DEVELOPMENT IS HIGHER THAN IT IS TO THE EAST, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WHERE WE LIVE OPENING UP THAT ROAD IS OPENING UP A DAM THAT WILL, UM, ALLOW THAT TRAFFIC, THAT THE CRIME TRAFFIC TO COME THROUGH.
AND, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, WE, WE WATCH FOR EACH OTHER, BUT, UM, THERE COMES A TIME WHEN, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN, CAN BECOME OVERWHELMED WITH, WITH CRIME IN THE AREA AND WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AND, YOU KNOW, THE SHAPE THAT IT'S IN AND, UH, WE'RE OBJECTING TO, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, YOU KNOW, THE THOROUGHFARE ARE BEING PUT IN, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, UH, UH, HAVING THE, YOU KNOW, STG AND E EASEMENTS AND ALL THAT STUFF GOING THROUGH.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, I I'VE BEEN INTO THE BUILDING TRADE FOR, UM, UH, MANY YEARS, AS YOU CAN TELL BY THE GRAY, UM, UNDERSTAND ALL OF THAT.
BUT, UH, THE THOROUGHFARE IN OUR OPINION DOES NOT NEED TO GO THROUGH WHETHER IT BE A BLOCK WALL, WHETHER IT BE CUL-DE-SAC, YOU KNOW, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE OPEN TO ANY SUGGESTION.
WE JUST DON'T WANT THE ROAD TO GO THROUGH.
VENTURE, CAN YOU MAKE THAT SMALLER SO I CAN SEE KIND OF THE SURROUNDING AREA A LITTLE BIT MORE.
THAT SHOULD DO IT RIGHT THERE.
THAT IS THE FINAL CARD THAT I HAVE.
UM, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK MR. SHAHAB A QUESTION, IF YOU WOULD COME FORWARD, PLEASE.
I'M SURE YOU HEARD ALL THAT HAS BEEN SAID HERE THIS EVENING.
I WAS WONDERING, I ASKED, ASK YOU A QUESTION.
I WAS WONDERING, UH, IN ORDER TO GET A SEQUEL OR AN ORDER, GET THE ENVIRONMENTAL STUDY DONE.
WOULD YOU CONSIDER THAT, UH, IF, UH, THE NEIGHBORS GOT TOGETHER AND WANTED TO SHARE AND THE EXPENSE OF DOING THAT, OR ARE YOU PRETTY MUCH SET ON DOING WHAT YOU ALREADY INTENDED TO DO? UH, I
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WOULD DEFINITELY ACCEPT IT.HOWEVER, I RESPECT SO MUCH IN ENGINEERING COSTS EXPECTED, AT LEAST FROM THE CITY, COME BACK WITH A PROPOSAL FOR THE REIMBURSEMENT OR EXPEDITE IN THE PROCESS.
SO FINANCIALLY YOU'RE NOT WILLING TO EXTEND ANY EXTRA COSTS WHICH YOU ALREADY DONE.
UH, WE ARE MORE THAN HAPPY TO LOOK INTO THE COST, SEE HOW WE CAN JUSTIFY SOMEHOW FOR OUR EXPENSE ASPECTS.
WHAT ABOUT GETTING TOGETHER WITH THE NEIGHBORS, IF THE NEIGHBOR ARE WILLING TO HELP? ABSOLUTELY, BUT I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT HAS TO BE DONE BETWEEN ME AND THE CITY, THE NEIGHBOR CONCERN.
UH, DEFINITELY I WILL TAKE UPON SERIOUSLY AND I DON'T WANT THE STREET AS WELL, SO I AM OPEN FOR SUGGESTING WHATEVER CHANGE WE CAN DO FOR THE PLAN.
LET ME ASK MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS IF THEY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
AND IF I HEARD CORRECTLY, IF YOU WENT THAT ROUTE, WHAT YOU WOULD HOPE FOR IS THAT THE CITY WOULD EXPEDITE SOMETHING.
SO YOU'RE NOT STUCK IN A LOG JAM FOR A YEAR AND A HALF, CORRECT? YES.
UM, SO YOU DIDN'T GET SHARED THE INFORMATION REGARDING THE OTHER OPTIONS UNTIL WAY, WAY DOWN THE ROAD.
DID YOU EVER ASK IF THERE WERE ANY OTHER OPTIONS THAT ABSOLUTELY.
I ASKED, UH, BEFORE THE DIRECTOR PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR AS WELL.
JASMINE SHE'S NOW THE DIRECTOR, THERE WAS NO OPTIONS.
ONLY OPTION WAS GIVING US TO CONTINUE WITH THIS PLAN OR NOT AT ALL.
I DON'T KNOW ABOUT A PLAN TO RAISE CHICKENS ABOUT THE PLAN TO BUILD MONITORING HOME AND, UH, THE NEW MR. NOAH, UH, THINK MY LAST MONTH HE GAVE ME THIS PROPOSAL, HEY, THERE'S AN OPTION, AMANDA GENERAL PLAN, WHICH IS ALREADY TWO YEARS LATER.
SO IF I HAD THIS CHANCE PROBABLY BEFORE, I WOULD DEFINITELY TAKE THIS ROUTE INSTEAD OF DOING RIGHT NOW.
UM, JUST QUESTION FOR MR. ALVIE WAS, WAS THAT SOMETHING THAT WAS ALWAYS ON THE TABLE THAT COULD HAVE BEEN DONE? IT JUST WAS NEVER EXPRESSED TO THE APPLICANT UNTIL RECENTLY.
AND MAYBE THE OTHER PEOPLE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT IT EITHER, YOU KNOW, MAYBE YOU KNEW ABOUT IT WITH, YOU KNOW, YOUR EXPERIENCE, I'M ASSUMING, BUT SO FOR ANY APPLICATION THAT'S BROUGHT FORWARD, YOU KNOW, IT'S BROUGHT FORWARD BY AN APPLICANT AND THE ROLE OF CITY STAFF IS TO REVIEW IT FOR CONSISTENCY, WITH, YOU KNOW, ADOPTED PLANS AND POLICIES AND MAKE SURE THAT IT'S APPROPRIATELY CONDITIONED.
UM, SO I MEAN, AS WE BECOME AWARE OF ISSUES, UM, WE CAN MAKE SUGGESTIONS, BUT ULTIMATELY IT'S UP TO THE APPLICANT TO DECIDE WHAT HE WOULD LIKE TO BRING FORWARD.
UM, WE WERE AWARE, UM, WHEN WE ISSUED THE NOTICE OF APPLICATION ABOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S CONCERNS FOR CLOSING THE STREETS AND AS WE PREPARED FOR TONIGHT'S MEETING, UH, WE ONCE AGAIN MET WITH THE APPLICANT TO INDICATE, YOU KNOW, DO YOU WANT TO GO FORWARD WITH THIS AS CONDITIONED AS PROPOSED, UM, BY THE CITY AND THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT FOR THE ROAD CONTINUATION? OR WOULD YOU LIKE TO, UM, GO BACK, UH, AMEND THE GENERAL PLAN AND PRODUCE THAT SECRET DOCUMENT? UM, WE SPOKE AT A HIGH LEVEL WITH REGARDS TO, UM, THE COSTS AND THE ADDITIONAL TIME, UM, THAT WOULD BE, UH, REQUIRED IN ORDER PROCESS THAT, UM, AND IT WOULD BE ADDITIONAL COSTS ON THE ENGINEERING DESIGN SIDE AS WELL.
AND SO THE DECISION WAS MADE TO BRING FORWARD.
WHAT'S BEEN PRESENTED TO YOU THIS EVENING.
UH, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE AUDIENCE A QUESTION, HOW MANY IN THE AUDIENCE BY A SHOW OF HANDS WOULD BE WILLING TO HELP MR. SHAHAB IN DOING THE ENVIRONMENTAL STUDIES SO THAT A ROAD MIGHT NOT HAVE TO BE BUILT TO GO THROUGH RAISE, RAISE YOUR HANDS IF YOU'D BE WILLING TO HELP MR. SHARP IN THAT ENDEAVOR THAT I DON'T KNOW, BUT IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE THERE COULD BE SOME DIALOGUE THERE.
UH, JUST A REMINDER THAT THERE IS NOT AN ALTERNATIVE, UH, ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT THAT THIS IS, THIS IS WHAT'S BEING DECIDED.
AND IF YOU DO DENY THE APPLICATION THAT YOU'LL SEE ON PAGE FOUR, THAT THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT PUT OUT FINDINGS AND YOU'LL HAVE TO HAVE FINDINGS THAT ARE SUPPORTABLE.
WHAT ABOUT PROLONGING TO A NEXT MEETING OR CONTINUANCE CONTINUANCE RATHER RIGHT? THAT WILL BE AVAILABLE, CORRECT? YES.
PARTNER IN REGARDS TO THE, THE EXTENDED TIME WITH ENGINEERING OR WHAT HAVE YOU, CAUSE I KNOW YOU DISCUSSED THAT WITH HIM AT LENGTH, BUT THE PEOPLE HERE DON'T REALLY REALIZE HOW LONG THAT'S GOING TO TAKE FOR HIM.
AND RIGHT NOW HE'S ALREADY TWO YEARS INTO THIS DEAL.
SO WOULD THAT ADD ANOTHER TWO YEARS OR POSSIBLY MORE BECAUSE SECRETS INVOLVED.
SO HE WOULD, HE COULD POSSIBLY BE FIVE YEARS OUT FROM, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY BUILDING SOMETHING FROM, I MEAN, WHAT'S THE TIMEFRAME AND COSTS, SO THEY MAYBE HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THAT IS
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FOR HIM, IF YOU DON'T MIND ME SHARING THAT WITH.SO, UM, THE ISSUE WITH THE CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ACT IS THE PROJECT AS PROPOSED IS EXEMPT, UH, FROM SQL.
AND SO, UM, IF WE WERE TO INTRODUCE A GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT, IT WOULD THEN ELEVATE UP TO WHERE IT WOULD NEED AN INITIAL STUDY AND THEN POTENTIALLY A NEGATIVE DECLARATION OR A MITIGATED NEGATIVE DECLARATION, UM, FOR A NEGATIVE DECLARATION.
UM, THOSE ARE, THOSE COSTS ARE BORNE BY THE APPLICANT AND, UH, THEY WOULD SELECT FROM A, UM, CONSULTANT LIST, UM, THAT'S AVAILABLE, UM, UH, FROM THE CITY.
AND SO, UH, THE APPLICANT WOULD THEN NEGOTIATE WITH THOSE SQL CONSULTANTS ON THE COST.
UM, I CAN TELL YOU THAT FROM RECENT, UM, SEQUENCE STUDIES, UM, IN MY EXPERIENCE AT A MINIMUM, YOU'RE LOOKING AT 50 TO $75,000 AND THAT IS WITHOUT ANY TECHNICAL STUDIES THAT MAY NEED TO BE PRODUCED AS A RESULT OF THE INITIAL STUDY.
UM, BUT THAT AGAIN WOULD BE, UM, UH, A COST THAT WOULD BE NEGOTIATED BY THE APPLICANT WITH THE SECRET CONSULTANT.
UM, AND THEN TYPICALLY FOR PRODUCTION, THAT'S ALSO BASED ON THE CONSULTANT'S AVAILABILITY AND ABILITY TO PRODUCE THOSE DOCUMENTS.
UM, I WOULD SAY AT A MINIMUM, THOSE ARE PROBABLY IN THE FOUR TO SIX MONTH RANGE.
UM, DEPENDING ON THE URGENCY OF A PROJECT, YOU KNOW, MANY CONSULTANTS WILL, UM, EXPEDITE PRODUCTION OF THOSE DOCUMENTS FOR ADDITIONAL FEES AND COSTS.
UH, BUT IF COST IS A CONCERN, IT COULD BE LONGER.
UM, AND THEN ADDITIONALLY, UM, IF THAT CHANGE WERE TO BE PROPOSED, UM, THE APPLICANT ON THE DESIGN SIDE, UH, WOULD NEED TO, UM, GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD AND LOOK AT, UM, POTENTIAL PUBLIC STREET IMPROVEMENTS.
UM, SO HOW WOULD WE CONNECT THE SIDEWALK FROM THE NORTH SIDE OF OAKDALE TO DURHAM, OR HOW WOULD WE, UM, IN THE TERMINUS OF MINT WITH A COL-DE-SAC OR, UM, ADDITIONAL SIDEWALK OR WOULD IT BE A WALL? SO IT WOULD BE A REQUIREMENT OF THE APPLICANT TO MAKE A PROPOSAL FOR EVALUATION BY THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT.
AND THEN FOR REVIEW, FOR CONSISTENCY WITH GENERAL PLAN POLICIES, WOULD IT BE SAFE TO SAY WILL COST APPROXIMATELY A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR ALL THAT? I MEAN, FROM THE CITY'S PERSPECTIVE, WE WANT TO SAY THAT, UM, IT'S IT'S UM, AT A HIGH LEVEL, THOSE COST ESTIMATES ARE, OR WHAT HAS BEEN MY EXPERIENCE.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE MARKET IS QUICKLY EVOLVING THESE DAYS WITH DEMAND, UH, FOR, UM, CONSULTANTS AND, UM, HOUSING CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS.
UM, SO I THINK IT WOULD DEFINITELY BE IN EXCESS OF $50,000.
UM, I DON'T WANT TO SAY AN ESTIMATE FOR THE COST THAT WOULD BE BORN BY THE APPLICANT, BUT IT WOULD BE SIGNIFICANT.
AND I THINK THE TIME WOULD LIKELY BE AT A MINIMUM SIX MONTHS TO A YEAR BEFORE WE WOULD BE BACK IN FRONT OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION REAL QUICK.
HOW MUCH DOES THE ROAD COSTS TO PUT IN WITH THE SIDEWALK? WHAT'S THAT COST ONE 20, 120,000, BUT YOU'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE TO PUT SOME SORT OF, NO, JUST THE ROAD WITHOUT ENGINEERING COSTING WITHOUT ANY ADDITIONAL FEES ARE PAID SO FAR.
I RAN DOWN ONE 70 THAT'S WHEN IT'S ALL SAID AND DONE, BUT YOU HAVE NOT, YOU HAVEN'T OUTLAYED ONE 70 YET, BUT I'M SURE YOU'VE PLAYED, OH, THIS IS THE ONE 70 RIGHT NOW AS WE SPEAK AIRY, SPEND ONE 70 RIGHT NOW, WITHOUT EVEN PUTTING A PIECE OF PAVEMENT DOWN WITHOUT, THIS IS WHAT OUR SO FAR GOT A LOT OF CONSULTANT FEE, A LOT OF BACK AND FORWARD.
SO I, IF I GOT THAT OPTION PRESENTED BEFOREHAND, MATTER OF FACT, IF THIS OPTION ABOUT A STREET IMPROVEMENT, I WILL NEVER PURCHASE THIS LAND IN MY LIFETIME.
I MEAN, IF THIS OPTION WAS PRESENTED BEFORE, AFTER THE FACT WHATEVER HAPPENED OR NOT, I WILL DEFINITELY GO FOR THIS DIRECTION IS MORE EFFICIENT, MORE WISER INSTEAD OF GOING TO THE STREET IMPORTANT BECAUSE THAT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT WORLD.
I KNOW IT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT HASSLE.
UM, UH, IF WE, UH, ASKED FOR A CONTINUANCE, THAT MEANS IT GIVES YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK WITH THE NEIGHBORS AND WORK OUT THE FINANCES IN SO FAR AS GETTING AN ENVIRONMENTAL STUDY DONE AND SO FORTH.
UH, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO DO THAT OR WOULD YOU LIKE TO HAVE A DECISION MADE THIS EVENING? I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THE CITY WILL DO FOR IT.
MAJORITY OF IT, WHAT IS THE CITY AND THE STAFFING DEPARTMENT? BECAUSE THE BACK AND FORTH COMMUNICATION, UH, HAPPENED ON THE CITY SIDE AND MISCOMMUNICATION.
UH, I HAVE SEVERAL EMAILS BACK AND FORTH WITH THE CITY WILL PAY FOR THE ROAD.
AND WHAT IS THE CITY GOING TO DO FOR THIS? SO THE, THE, THE NEIGHBORS IS NOT THE ISSUE HERE.
THE NEIGHBORS HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT A STREET, NOT ABOUT THE COST, THE CAUSES ON MY END AND THE CITY DID NOT PROVIDE ME RIGHT INFORMATION BEFOREHAND.
AND NOW I'M HERE WITH, UH, KNEES DOWN WITH THE CAUSE.
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A DEVELOPER.I DON'T HAVE THE FINANCIAL FOR BETTERMENT SO FAR.
UH, I'M ASKING THE CITY TO COME UP WITH THE RESOLUTION FOR THE NON CONVENIENT OR MAYA, THE LESSON PRETTY NICELY.
AND I HOPE WE CAN COME TO RESOLUTION.
I BET THE RESOLUTION WAS THAT, UH, YOU COULD ASK FOR, UH, WHAT DO YOU CALL IT? A CHANGE IN THEIR GENERAL PLAN, BUT THE STUDY WILL BE BORN BY YOU, NOT THE CITY TO DO THAT.
AND HOW ABOUT THE COST I SPENT SO FAR WITH THE CITY REIMBURSEMENT FOR COST.
OH, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK SO.
NOT THAT'S THAT'S OUT OF THE QUESTION.
SO WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO CONTINUE IT TO A LATER MEETING OR DO YOU WANT A DECISION THIS EVENING? WHAT IS THE IMPACT OF BOTH OF THOSE? IF YOU, IF YOU GO TO A LATER MEETING, IT GIVES YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK WITH THE NEIGHBORS AND TO SEE WHAT THE NEIGHBORS ARE WILLING TO DO FOR YOU.
AND THEN WHEN YOU FIND OUT, THEN YOU CAN COME BACK AND WE CAN HEAR IT AGAIN AND MAKE A DECISION ACCORDINGLY, UH, OR WHICH WOULD BE AN EXTRA EXPENSE ON YOUR SHOULDERS FOR SURE.
OR WE CAN MAKE A DECISION TO SEE EVENING AND, UH, NOT GO THROUGH THAT AT ALL.
SO THE BOAT OPTIONS ARE EITHER WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE WHATEVER THE PLAN IS RIGHT NOW.
YOU GUYS MAKE A VOTE ON IT, THE NEW ONES, THAT MEANS YOU'RE GOING TO PUT OFF THE DECISION UNTIL YOU CAN MEET WITH THE NEIGHBORS AND MAKE A DECISION WITH THEM AND THE CITY AND THE CITY.
I WANT TO PUT THE SECOND ONE TO CONTINUE.
LET ME ASK MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS IF THEY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, SHOULD WE CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING? FIRST QUESTION FOR ME.
WHEN YOU ENTERED INTO THE REAL ESTATE DEAL, WERE YOU REPRESENTED BY A REAL ESTATE AGENT OR ATTORNEY, OR DID YOU DO IT AS JUST A, ON YOUR OWN? JUST ON MY OWN.
SO I WENT INSIDE JUST EVERY SINGLE.
SO BASICALLY WHEN YOU GO TO THE CITY PLANNING DEPARTMENT OR THE WEBSITE ITSELF TO GIVE YOU THE GUIDELINES, HOW TO DO IT.
AND I FOLLOW, UH, I'M TALKING ABOUT PURCHASING THE PROPERTY FROM CALTRANS, RIGHT? RIGHT.
THE CONTRACT IN PRIVATE AUCTION.
SO THERE'S NO REAL ESTATE ALLOWED TO COMMENT ON, UH, THE WAY OUR CULTURES OPERATE.
THEY GIVE YOU ALL THE REQUIREMENTS, ALL THE CONDITIONS IT'S ON THE PAPER.
AND THERE WAS NO MENTION ABOUT A STREET AT ALL.
UH, AFTER I WENT TO THE CITY AGAIN AND I ASKED THE QUESTION, THEY NEVER GAVE ME ANY INFORMATION.
THEN THERE WERE A CIVIL AGREEMENT, MADE HALF AN EMAIL DOCUMENT IT AS WELL FOR OUR GREENS MAY IN THE LAST ONE, UH, THE, THE CITY MANAGER MADE THE DECISIONS.
YOU KNOW WHAT? WE DON'T HAVE THE BUDGET FOR THE STREET, EVEN THOUGH THEY PROMISE ME THAT THERE WILL BE A DISTRICT WILL BE PAID BY THE CITY.
I JUST HAVE THE DEED AND THEN NEVER HAPPENED EITHER.
SO I'M HERE WITH AN, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF CONVERSATION BACK AND FORWARD ENGINEERING DIDN'T STOP BECAUSE WE HAVE TO MOVE FORWARD, UH, PURCHASE OR THIS HAPPENED.
AND YEAH, IT'S ALL UNFAIR ON JUSTICE.
I PURCHASED IT WITHOUT GETTING THE RIGHT INFORMATION FROM THE CITY ACTUALLY.
AND I HAVE ACTUALLY WITNESSED WHO WAS WITH ME THAT DAY DURING THE INFORMATION'S.
SO YOU WERE RELYING ON A VERBAL AGREEMENT OR SOMETHING.
WE KEEP MENTIONING OUR GENERAL PLAN.
THAT'S BEEN ON PUBLIC RECORD FOR 38 YEARS.
IF THAT WAS THE CASE, THEN MY NEIGHBOR, WELL, MY MRS. MARTHA, THEY, SHE CAME IN 10 YEARS AGO.
SHE SAID THE SAME IDEA AND THEY NEVER TOLD HER EITHER.
SO THERE'S DEFINITELY A COMMUNICATION BARRIER INSIDE THE CITY PLANNING DEPARTMENT, WHICH COSTS FOR ME TO LOSE A LOT OF MONEY RIGHT NOW.
UM, REGARDING THIS, YOU KNOW, IF WE DO DELAY IT, SO YOU HAVE A DISCUSSION, I MEAN, ARE, IS SOMEONE GOING TO HELP HIM OR HAVE THAT DISCUSSION TO FIGURE OUT WHAT CAN BE DONE? CAUSE I KNOW YOU ALL DON'T WANT THE STREET TO GO THROUGH, BUT HE DOESN'T REALLY HAVE AN OPTION.
SO IT IS SINCE IT IS PART OF THE GENERAL PLAN, WHICH WE'RE NOT VOTING ON BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY BEEN DECIDED.
SO I JUST DON'T WANNA LEAVE HIM OUT FOR ANOTHER MONTH OR HOWEVER LONG THIS TAKES TO, YOU KNOW, HAVE THAT DECISION.
CAUSE HE IS TRYING, HE WANTS THE SAME THING YOU WANT, BUT THERE HAS TO BE SOME SORT OF COLLABORATIVE.
AND, UM, THAT, THAT'S JUST WHAT I'M TRYING TO PORTRAY BECAUSE I KNOW THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO HAVE YOUR DREAM HOME WITH THE CUL-DE-SAC.
UM, AND I'M SURE THEY WOULD RATHER HAVE THAT AS WELL.
SO I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW IT'S GOING TO COLLABORATE TOGETHER SO WE CAN COME TO SOME SORT OF, TO HELP HIM.
UM, I DO HAVE A QUESTION TO THE STAFF.
IF WE HAVE A CONTINUANCE, MR. LV, IF WE HAVE A CONTINUANCE, HOW LONG WOULD THAT BE A MONTH OR TWO OR, UM, I
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WAS JUST CHECKING WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND I WANTED TO POTENTIALLY SUGGEST THAT WE COULD CONTINUE THIS ITEM AT THIS POINT IN THE EVENING TO THE END OF THE AGENDA.AND WE COULD DISCUSS ITEM THREE ON THE AGENDA AND THEN REOPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING TO ALLOW THE APPLICANT AND THE AUDIENCE TO MAYBE GO OUTSIDE AND SPEAK, UH, FOR A FEW MINUTES AND THEN COME BACK.
DID YOU HEAR THAT? WOULD THAT BE AGREEABLE? IS EVERYONE OKAY? I THINK WE'RE KIND OF ALL IN INGREDIENTS THAT WE DON'T FEEL THAT WE SHOULD HAVE TO PAY FOR IT.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE MONEY.
SO, I MEAN, WE UNDERSTAND WHERE HE'S COMING FROM.
HE'S WORKED OUT A LOT OF MONEY TO DO THIS.
I'M WEIGHING OUT, YOU KNOW, 50 TO $75,000 TO HAVE TO KIND OF BACKPEDAL AND, AND GO A DIFFERENT APPROACH OR THE 120 TO $150,000 ON THE ROAD, WHICH IT SOUNDS LIKE HE DOESN'T HAVE THAT EITHER.
SO I FEEL LIKE WE'RE KIND OF IN THIS WEIRD LIMBO OF NEITHER THING IS GOING TO HAPPEN.
AND THEN HE CAN BE HONEST WITH YOU.
LIKE HE CAN AFFORD TO BUILD THE ROAD EITHER.
SO WHERE ARE WE AT WITH THIS? WE WOULD LOVE TO HELP HIM, BUT OH, JUST A MOMENT JUST TO MORE POLICE, UH, ONE PERSON AT A TIME.
AND IF WE WANT TO SPEAK, UH, COME UP TO THE PODIUM.
UM, MR. SHARP, WOULD YOU MIND GIVING THE PODIUM TO, UH, THIS LADY PLEASE COME FORWARD? I'M JUST SAYING IS BASICALLY EVERYBODY WHO BOUGHT PROPERTY ON MAKING MATT TRENTON AND THIS AND THAT.
WE WERE ALL MISLED BECAUSE IT WAS NOT DISCLOSED.
CAUSE I ASKED WHEN I FIRST MOVED IN, IN 1998 ABOUT THAT ROAD, IF IT WAS EVER NOPE.
AND THEY HAD IT IN WRITING AND SAYING IT WAS NEVER GOING TO BE OPEN.
TALK TO THE NEIGHBORS, TOM WHO'S BEEN HERE LONGER THAN I HAVE.
SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHERE WE WANT TO DO EVERYTHING POSSIBLE TO HELP HIM.
BUT AT THE SAME TOKEN, YOU KNOW, I FEEL LIKE THE CITY KINDA HELPED PUT THEM IN THAT SPOT.
THERE WAS, THERE WAS THE LOT OF DECEIT ON CALTRANS, WHATEVER, WHOEVER HE TALKED TO.
SO WHY SHOULD THE NEIGHBORS HAVE TO PAY FOR, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE THAT HE TALKED TO? I MEAN, HE WENT IN BLINDLY, HE WENT AND ASKED ALL THE QUESTIONS AND, WELL, THIS IS THE ANSWER HE GOT.
WHAT IS YOUR NAME AGAIN? NORMA MURPHY.
LIKE NONE OF US, WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY OR IT HAS BEEN STATED.
UH, THE, THE ROAD HAS BEEN ON THE GENERAL PLAN SINCE 1984.
AND IN ORDER WHEN YOU BUY A PURSE, UH, PURCHASE A PROPERTY, THERE'S HAS TO BE SOME DUE DILIGENCE ON THE PART OF THE PURCHASER.
THAT'S WHERE I THAT'S WHAT I MENTIONING IT WAS, THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS I ASKED AND IT WAS NEVER DISCLOSED.
THEY SAID, OH NO, IT'S A DEAD END ROAD, DEAD END ROAD, DEAD END ROAD.
THIS IS PERFECT FOR MY YOUNG KIDS WHO DID NOT DISCLOSE IT, MY REALTOR, MY AGENT REALTOR.
SPEAKING AS A REALTOR, IT'S ON THE BUYER TO DO THEIR DUE DILIGENCE, UNFORTUNATELY BECAUSE US AS REALTORS, WE'RE NOT ENGINEERS.
WE DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE THE GENERAL PLAN.
SO IT ACTUALLY FALLS ON THE PURCHASER TO DO THAT.
AND HE DID ASK AND IT WASN'T GIVEN.
SO THERE'S SOME SORT OF BREAKDOWN IN COMMUNICATION SOMEWHERE.
UM, BUT SINCE I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING IN WRITING FROM WHEN YOU PURCHASED THE PROPERTY AND THE, THE GENERAL PLAN IS PUBLIC RECORD, THAT ANYONE CAN LOOK UP.
BUT I UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, THAT THE GENERAL PUBLIC ISN'T LOOKING FOR THINGS LIKE THIS, CAUSE THEY DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND CAUSE THEY DON'T DO MY JOB EVERY DAY AND THEY WOULDN'T THINK I BOUGHT A PIECE OF LAND IN MY BUILD A HOUSE ON IT.
AND THERE'S A LOT MORE, THERE'S A LOT MORE LAYERS ON THAT THAN JUST THAT.
SO UNFORTUNATELY, YOU KNOW, TONIGHT WE'RE VOTING ON HIS LOT SPLIT AND NOT THE GENERAL PLAN BECAUSE THAT'S ALREADY BEEN DECIDED.
UM, NO, NOT, NO, SIR, SIR, IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY JUST UH, UM, MR. SHARP, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO GIVE THE PODIUM TO THIS GENTLEMEN, YOUR NAME MR. PIPPIN TRIPPIN.
I JUST HAD A QUESTION REGARDING THE SEQUEL AND THE ENVIRONMENTAL STUDIES.
HE'S EXEMPT IF HE BUILDS THE ROAD, BUT HE'S NOT EXEMPT.
IF HE BUILDS A CUL-DE-SAC OR DOESN'T BUILD THE ROAD.
HOW DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? IS IT BECAUSE HE'S EXEMPT BECAUSE HE'S GIVING YOU GUYS A FREE ROAD, IS THAT WHAT IT IS? AND THEN HE HAS TO PAY THE FEES FOR THE ENVIRONMENTAL BECAUSE HE DOESN'T WANT TO GIVE YOU GUYS A FREE ROAD.
NO, IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.
MATCHES THAT, BUT LET, LET THE STAFF ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
I'D BE HAPPY TO ADDRESS THAT QUESTION.
SO THE CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ACT HAS CERTAIN EXEMPTIONS AND THE EXEMPTION THAT'S BEING USED FOR THIS PROJECT IS CALLED AN INFILL EXEMPTION.
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IS WHEN YOU HAVE A PROJECT THAT'S PROPOSED, THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE GENERAL PLAN AND THE ZONING.AND SO, UM, SO THE INFILL EXEMPTION APPLIES BECAUSE WHAT HE'S PROPOSING AND THE WAY IT'S CONDITIONED IS CONSISTENT WITH THAT GENERAL PLAN AND ZONING.
SO THE ISSUE IS, IS THAT WHEN YOU PROPOSE A CHANGE TO THE GENERAL PLAN, UM, THE PROJECT IS NO LONGER EXEMPT AND IT REQUIRES THAT HIGH, HIGHER LEVEL OF ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW.
SO BUILDING A ROAD OR BUILDING A COL-DE-SAC IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT BUILDING IS BUILDING, BUT YET ONE REQUIRES AN ENVIRONMENTAL STUDY.
AND ONE DOES NOT JUST BECAUSE IT DOESN'T EXPLICITLY SAY IN THE GENERAL PLAN, YOU CAN BUILD A COAL TO SAY, UM, I THINK HE ANSWERED THAT QUESTION.
IT'S IT'S ALREADY IN THE GENERAL PLAN TO HAVE A ROAD, UH, CALLED THE SAC IS NOT A ROAD, YOU KNOW? SO IN ORDER FOR HIM TO BE ABLE TO BUILD THEIR BUILD THAT HE'S GOT, HE'S GOT TO GET PERMISSION FOR THE STATE TO BUILD THE ROAD AND STILL KEEP IT, UH, ON, ON, ON THE BOOKS.
SO, BUT IF HE WANTS TO CHANGE THAT HE HAS TO GO CHANGE THE GENERAL PLAN, BUT THAT'S AN EXTRA EXPENSE.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, CHANGING THE GENERAL PLAN.
SO DID THEY DO AN ENVIRONMENTAL STUDY FOR THE GENERAL PLAN TO SAY, YEAH, IT'S OKAY.
YOU CAN PUT IT RIGHT AT THE BEGINNING.
IN THE BEGINNING THEY DID WHEN IT WAS INSTITUTED.
I MEAN, YEAH, 30, 30, SOME YEARS AGO.
SO THEY'RE GOING TO USE HIS MONEY NOW TO UPDATE IT BECAUSE HE WANTS A COL-DE-SAC VERSUS A ROAD BECAUSE IT'S NOT IN THE GENERAL PLAN.
ALL RIGHT, MR. SHAW, PLEASE COME UP FRONT AGAIN.
UH, YOU HEARD WHAT THE PUBLIC HAS STATED, UH, THE ATTORNEY FOR THE CITY STATED THAT YOU CAN GO OUTSIDE AND DISCUSS IT, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.
SO DO YOU WANT TO CONTINUE IT TO ANOTHER DATE OR YOU WANT A DECISION THIS EVENING? I LIKE TO CONTINUE TO NOT A DATE.
HOWEVER, IF WE CAN COME TO AN AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY STAFF.
WE HEARD, UH, SO MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I'M, IF I MAY, UM, JUST IN REGARDS TO THE COMMENTS, AS IT RELATES TO A DIFFERENT AGREEMENT WITH CITY STAFF, UM, THE, UH, THE PROJECT HAS BEEN CONDITIONED, UM, BY EACH OF THE DEPARTMENTS.
UM, AND SO THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL REFLECT WHAT IS REQUIRED IN CONJUNCTION WITH THIS MAP.
SO, UM, THERE ISN'T AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE CITY TO ALLOCATE FUNDS TOWARDS A PRIVATE PROJECT, UM, OR TOWARDS, UM, ANY OF THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL RELATED FOR THIS PROJECT.
UM, THE ONLY OPTION IS JUST FOR THE APPLICANT TO REQUEST THE CONTINUANCE.
AND THEN, UH, IF HE WANTS TO REQUEST THE CONTINUANCE, HE WOULD THEN BE INDICATING THAT IT'S HIS DESIRE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT AND TO, UM, BORE THE COSTS OF PAYING FOR THAT ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW.
IF HE AGREES TO A CONTINUANCE, IF SO, BY REQUESTING A CONTINUANCE, UM, HE WOULD BE INDICATING TO THE STAFF AND PLANNING COMMISSION THAT HE WANTS TO LOOK INTO AN ALTERNATIVE DESIGN, PRESENT AN ALTERNATIVE DESIGN TO THE CITY FOR REVIEW AND ANALYSIS, AND THEN TO INITIATE, UH, THE NEW SQL PROCESS, UM, IN ORDER TO ANALYZE THAT, CAN I CONTINUE TO BE DONE WITHOUT THAT CONDITION THAT YOU JUST MENTIONED? UM, THERE'S NO PURPOSE TO CONTINUANCE IF, IF HE'S NOT GOING TO THANK YOU, IF HE'S NOT GOING TO MAKE THE ADJUSTMENTS.
AND I THINK MAYBE, UH, FOR YOU, MAYBE JUST LOOKING AT MAYBE SOME OF THE RESOURCES THAT ARE AVAILABLE OUT THERE FOR THAT, I MEAN, I, I WOULD AGREE THAT IT'S, UM, HE LIKES TO FIND A DIFFERENT PLAN.
SO MAYBE THERE'S, THERE'S OTHER AVENUES MAYBE YOU CAN POKE AROUND AND TALK TO SOME OTHER DEVELOPERS, YOU KNOW, SEE, YOU KNOW, SOME SUGGESTIONS, AT LEAST IF NOT, YOU'VE ALREADY GOT THIS, YOU CAN COME BACK AND IT CAN, YOU KNOW, GO THROUGH, BUT THERE MIGHT BE SOME OTHER OPTIONS THAT, YOU KNOW, ONLY THERE'S NO OPTION BECAUSE THERE'S A CONDITION ON FOR ANY TYPE OF APPROVAL.
AND THE APPROVAL HERE IS IF I WANT TO CONTINUE THAT STREET IS REQUIRED.
AND IF I TAKE THE OTHER ROUTE, THE STAFF MENTIONED, I HAVE TO PAY THE WHOLE COST AGAIN, FOR WHATEVER THE MISTAKE WAS HAPPENED ON THE STAFF SIDE.
SO AS THIS FAIR, WELL, NO, WE'RE NOT HERE TO RESPOND TO THAT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS MR. SHAHAB? I THINK, WELL, I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A CONTINUANCE AND WHAT, YOU KNOW, COMMISSIONER MOROSE IS SAYING IS THAT THERE COULD BE OTHER FUNDING OPTIONS RATHER THAN YOU PUTTING OUT THE COST.
AND NOT THAT THERE'S ANOTHER OPTION NECESSARILY FOR A DIFFERENT PLAN TO BE PRESENTED.
AND, YOU KNOW, I, I DO UNDERSTAND THAT IT MIGHT NOT SEEM FAIR, BUT AGAIN, THAT IT WOULD BE LIKE SOMEBODY TELLING ME IT'S OKAY FOR ME TO NOT HAVE MY CHILD IN A CAR SEAT.
AND THERE ARE THREE AND THEN A POLICEMAN PULLED ME OVER AND SAY, BUT THERE'S A LAW ON THE BOOKS.
AND I'D SAY, WELL, I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THAT LINE FROM A DIFFERENT STATE.
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IT WOULD STILL BE AGAINST THE LAW.SO, I MEAN, IT'S, I KNOW THAT IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF APPLES AND ORANGES TO SOME EXTENT, BUT IT IS UNDERSTANDING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO CHANGE A DOCUMENT THAT'S BEEN IN EFFECT FOR 38 YEARS AND WE DON'T HAVE THAT AUTHORITY.
SO IT'S WHETHER WE WANT TO, WHETHER WE THINK IT'S FAIR OR NOT FAIR, WE DON'T HAVE THAT AUTHORITY IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.
SO IT'S EITHER A DECISION TO VOTE TO, FOR YOU TO HAVE THE PLAN THAT YOU'VE PUT FORTH AND GO FORWARD WITH IT OR TO DECLINE IT OR, YOU KNOW, VOTE AGAINST IT.
AND THEN YOU WOULD HAVE TO FIND ANOTHER OPTION.
IT'S KIND OF A HARD DECISION EITHER WAY, CAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF COMPELLING ARGUMENTS FOR NOT HAVING THE STREET.
BUT AGAIN, THAT'S NOT EVEN PART OF WHAT WE'RE DECIDING OTHER THAN WE KNOW IT COMES ALONG WITH THE DECISION.
SO I THINK IT'S, IF YOU WOULD WANT TO HAVE A CONTINUANCE TO BE ABLE TO INVESTIGATE SOME OTHER FUNDING OPTIONS, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S GRANTS OUT THERE, SOMETIMES THERE'S MONEY THAT'S OUT THERE FOR THINGS THAT YOU JUST NEVER EVEN KNOW UNTIL YOU LOOK KIND OF LIKE YOU DIDN'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THERE'S THINGS OUT THERE WE JUST DON'T ALWAYS KNOW ABOUT.
SO THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING I GUESS, TO THINK ABOUT.
AND WE COULD DECIDE IF YOU, WE WOULD GIVE YOU THE CONTENT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT THE CONTINUANCE OR NOT.
SO REGARDING TO THE FINANCING, I'M ALREADY A TOP LEVEL OF FINANCING I CAN REACH.
THERE IS NO MORE OPTIONS FOR ME.
I SPENT SO MUCH AND EVERY SINGLE POINT I CAN GET FROM, THERE'S NOTHING OUT THERE.
OTHERWISE I WILL DEFINITELY CONTINUE WITH THE ROAD.
YOU KNOW, SAY I HAVE THE MONEY.
I HAVE THE LOAN FROM LEFT ARRIVED, BUT THERE IS NO FINANCIAL OPTION AT ALL.
THAT'S WHY I'M HERE TO SPEAK TO ACT.
THE WHAT HAPPENED TO ME, IT'S UNFAIR ON JUSTICE BECAUSE THE DO THE COMMUNICATION LEVEL HAPPENED IN THE CITY FOUR TIMES, NO ONE TIME, FOUR TIMES CHANGING AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN, WHICH I HAVE TO PAY FOR THE COST.
I'M ASKING THE CITY STAFF GIMME TYPE OF RESOLUTION.
WE CAN, YOU FIND A BALANCE IN THE MIDDLE, BUT THE SAVINGS, THERE'S NO FUNDING ON THEIR END, BUT WHY IS THEIR FUNDING ON MY END? ALL RIGHT.
FOR WHAT I'M HEARING IS THAT YOU'RE TAPPED OUT FINANCIALLY.
WE NEED TO MAKE A DECISION TO SEE EVENING.
AND NONE OTHER SPEAKERS, CORRECT.
MAYBE WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING.
I'LL MAKE THE MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
THE MOTION MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER CIRCLE.
MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.
UM, I THINK WE REALLY DISCUSSED THIS, UH, PROJECT VERY WELL.
DECEIVING ALL THE INS AND OUTS, I THINK, UM, REALLY WE'RE KIND OF IN A PEG AND WE CAN'T MOVE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, UH, QUICK, YEAH, QUICK QUESTION.
UM, THE ONLY WAY HE CAN APPEAL IS IF WE DENY IT AND THEN HE CAN APPEAL TO CITY COUNCIL, CORRECT.
UH, AGAIN, YOU WOULD HAVE TO HAVE FINDINGS TO DENY IT.
JUST ON ANOTHER NOTE, CAN THE CITY COUNCIL, ARE THEY ALLOWED TO CHANGE SPECIFIC PLANS, GENERAL GENERAL PLANS.
WE'VE SEEN THESE NEGATIVE DECLARATIONS BEFORE.
WE'VE PROCESSED THEM BEFORE WITH DEVELOPERS WITH LOTS OF MONEY THAT KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING, RIGHT.
POOR GUY WANT TO BUILD A HOUSE, DIDN'T REALIZE THE INS AND OUTS.
HE'S NOT A DEVELOPER HE'S CAUGHT IN A REALLY BAD TRAP.
SO MY QUESTION IS, IS, IS THERE STILL ALL THIS PROCESS TO GO THROUGH? WHERE CAN CITY COUNCIL HELP IN THAT POSITION? SO THE CITY COUNCIL WAS, WOULD BE THE DECISION MAKING BODY.
IF THERE WERE TO BE A GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT THAT WERE TO BE PROPOSED.
UM, SO, UM, BUT IT WOULD STILL REQUIRE, UM, AN ANALYSIS UNDER SIQUA.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? I'LL JUST SAY THAT THIS IS A BIGGER REFLECTION OF SMALL PROJECTS.
UM, I ADDED ONTO MY HOUSE FOUR YEARS AGO AND DID ALL THE DEVELOPMENT AND THE PLANS.
AND AS WE WERE GETTING CLOSE TO FINISHING UP, THERE WAS JUST ONE MORE THING.
AND CITY STAFF WAS VERY GOOD, VERY FRIENDLY AND TOLD ME IT WOULD COST X NUMBER OF DOLLARS TO PUT THE SIDEWALK AROUND THE DRIVEWAY BECAUSE I LIVE ON OAKDALE AND OAKDALE SIDEWALKS ARE AT THE CURB.
SO THE CURB CUTS ARE IN THE SIDEWALK.
SO I DID THE, DID THE LITTLE ADD ON, AND MY WIFE COULD NOT UNDERSTAND WHY THE CITY MADE US PAY FOR THE SIDEWALK.
AND THE ANSWER IS VERY SIMPLE.
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MY JOB MAY NOT PAY MUCH, BUT THE CITY GETS ITS FUNDS FROM US, THE CITIZENS.SO PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS LIKE THIS, THE CITY HAS TO RELY ON PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT, WHETHER THAT'S A COMMERCIAL ENTERPRISE OR A PRIVATE CITIZEN, IMPROVING A LOT TO MAKE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS.
AND EVEN THOUGH THAT'S IN THE CITY PROPERTY, IT'S NOT MY PROPERTY, BUT IT WAS OUTSIDE OF MY PROPERTY BECAUSE I WAS ADDING ONTO THE BACK OF THE HOUSE.
I HAD TO IMPROVE THE SIDEWALK IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE AT MY COST FOR ENGINEERING, FOR MATERIALS, WE DID THE LABOR, BUT THAT'S HOW OUR CITY OPERATES BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A HUGE BUDGET OF MONEY THAT JUST COMES FROM NOWHERE TO DO PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS.
AND I, I FEEL FOR YOU GUYS, I TRAVEL OAKDALE TO THIRD TO MADISON BECAUSE I LIVE ON OAKDALE PASS BETWEEN SECOND AND MAIN.
AND I WORK AT MADISON AND GREENFIELD AT SHADOW MOUNTAIN.
SO I TRAVELED THAT ROAD DURING TRAFFIC TIMES.
AND IF I'M FIVE MINUTES LATE GETTING OUT THE HOUSE, I'M HALF AN HOUR LATE GETTING TO WORK.
AND IF I'M FIVE MINUTES LATE LEAVING WORK, I'M 45 MINUTES LATE GETTING HOME.
I WOULD AGREE WITH, I DON'T THINK THAT ROAD SHOULD GO THROUGH BASED ON THE TRAFFIC THAT I SEE.
UH, I'VE SEEN TONS OF PEOPLE DUCK DOWN, YOU KNOW, THEY GO DOWN, UH, TRENTON, AND THEN I SEE THE SAME CAR PULL BACK OUT ON MACON BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T REALIZE THAT IT WAS NOT A THROUGH FARE AND OPENING UP MINT, OAKDALE.
I KNOW WHAT KIND OF TRAFFIC THAT WOULD BE.
I LIVE ON OAKDALE BETWEEN MAIN AND MADISON.
IT'S A 30 MILE PER HOUR POSTED, BUT 60 TO 70 PEOPLE PASS BECAUSE SOMEONE'S TRYING TO PARALLEL PARK.
JUST GIVE THEM A LITTLE SPACE, JUST GIVE HIM A LITTLE TIME.
THEY'LL GET IN AND YOU'LL GET IT TO WORK.
SO I, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF THERE'S SOME WAY WE COULD KEEP THE ROAD FROM GOING THROUGH WITH, AND BUILD THE PROPERTY.
BUT I ALSO UNDERSTAND THE GENERAL PLAN IS WHAT THE CITY DEVELOPS.
WE, THE CITY SPENDS A LOT OF TIME DEVELOPING THESE PLANS TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING IS NETWORKED IN ADVANCE, EVEN THINGS THAT AREN'T DEVELOPED HAVE PLANS SO THAT WHEN DEVELOPMENT HAPPENS, WE KNOW WHAT THE PLAN IS.
ONE OF MY FORMER BOSSES USED TO SAY, WE HAVE TO HAVE A PLAN TO KNOW WHAT CHANGES.
UM, AND I WOULD LOVE IT IF THE CITY COULD FIND SOME WAY TO ASSIST WITH TRANSITIONING FROM THIS PLAN THAT WE SEE BEFORE US TONIGHT, TO A GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT TO MAKE A CUL-DE-SAC THERE OR SOMETHING.
I UNDERSTAND THAT FROM THE CITY POINT OF VIEW, WE HAVE TO WAIT FOR AN APPLICANT TO PUT FORTH A PROPOSAL.
AND THE APPLICANT HAS TO BEAR THE COSTS.
WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO JUST FUND STUFF.
WE DON'T HAVE MONEY TO DO PROJECTS AND DO RESEARCH.
UM, BUT I WOULD SURE LOVE IT IF WE CAN FIND SOME WAY TO ASSIST HERE, BECAUSE I KNOW I HAD A COUPLE OF FRIENDS LOOK AT THE PROPERTY AND THEY WERE LIKE, WELL, IT WOULD COST TOO MUCH TO BUILD THE ROAD.
THAT'S WHY THEY TURNED DOWN THE PROPERTY.
THEY, THEY WERE LOOKING AT IT.
THEY WENT, OH, THIS IS A GREAT, BEAUTIFUL PROPERTY.
WE COULD BUILD A NICE HOUSE ON IT AND WE HAVE TO BUILD THE ROAD AND THEY TURNED IT DOWN.
SO I KNOW, I KNOW THE BIND YOU'RE IN.
AND UNFORTUNATELY WE DON'T HAVE ANY TOOLS TO LEVERAGE FOR YOU ON THIS ONE.
I, IF THERE WAS ANY TOOL WE COULD USE, I'D SAY WE USE IT.
UM, IT DOES HIGHLIGHT THE COMMUNICATIONS ISSUE.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN TALK ABOUT LATER BECAUSE THERE WAS ANOTHER ISSUE THAT I WANTED TO BRING FORWARD.
BUT MAN, THIS ONE IS A NO WIN SITUATION.
YOU'VE ALREADY GOT THE PROPERTY.
YOU'VE ALREADY PUT MONEY INTO THE ENGINEERING.
YOU'VE ALREADY PUT MONEY INTO THE PLANS.
AND I REMEMBER WHEN I GOT STICKER SHOCK ON BLUEPRINTS, LIKE HOW HARD COULD IT BE? I CAN DROP BLUEPRINTS.
I DREW UP A LITTLE PLOT AND THEN TOOK IT TO SOMEONE TO SAY, OKAY, THIS IS MY IDEA.
AND HE'S LIKE, WELL, HOLD ON, YOU'VE GOT ONE PAGE YOU NEED AT LEAST SEVEN PAGES.
HE KNEW WHAT HE WAS DOING, COST A LOT OF MONEY AND YOU'VE PUT THE MONEY INTO IT.
I DON'T WANT TO SEE YOUR MONEY GO TO WASTE.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE YOUR HOUSE COME TO FRUITION.
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UM, I THINK I WANDERED A LITTLE BIT THERE, BUT THE PLAN IS EITHER HE ASKED TO SPEND A TON OF MORE MONEY TO DO A CUL-DE-SAC OR HE CAN SPEND A TON OF MONEY, NOT A TON MORE, BUT THE TON THAT'S ALREADY ON THE PLAN TO BUILD THE STREET CATCH 20 ON THAT OUR, OUR DECISION IS DO WE APPROVE THE DIVISION, THE SUBDIVISION AND WITH A SUBDIVISION, UH, ONE LOCK CAN BE SOLD.ANY OTHER COMMENTS? UM, YEAH, I JUST, YOU KNOW, I KNOW I ASKED A LOT OF HARD QUESTIONS, BUT, YOU KNOW, I, I AGREE.
I'VE TAKEN CARE OF THE KIDS THAT HAVE BEEN WALKING TO SCHOOL AND HAVE GOTTEN HIT.
UM, CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, I LIVE ON A VERY BUSY STREET WITH THREE SCHOOLS WITHIN A HALF A MILE OF ME.
ONE IS JUST A FEW BLOCKS AWAY.
UM, I ACTUALLY LIVE ON A CORNER OF VERY TWO OF THE BUSIEST STREETS IN ALCOHOL.
AND SO I DO SEE HOW PEOPLE DRIVE AND, AND, UM, I PICK MY GRANDKIDS UP, UP IN RAMONA, ON FRIDAYS AND THEY HAVE IN THE ESTATES, THEY HAVE THE SPEED BUMPS, BUT THEY HAD TO MODIFY THEM BECAUSE PEOPLE COMPLAINED, EVEN THOUGH THAT WAS DEVELOPED WITH SPEED BUMPS IN THEM TO KEEP THE TRAFFIC SLOW.
SO, YOU KNOW, MY CONCERN, YOU KNOW, HEARING ABOUT THE KIDS AND, AND YOU KNOW, THE KIDS THAT ARE DRIVING CRAZILY, BUT ALSO THE KIDS THAT ARE WALKING TOO IN FRONT OF SCHOOL.
UM, AND ALL THAT IS, YOU KNOW, IS A REAL CONCERN.
SO TO JUST SAY, WELL, WE'RE GOING TO APPROVE IT SO HE CAN MOVE FORWARD.
AND ROE GOES THROUGH AND WALK AWAY FROM THAT GOING, NO PROBLEM IS NOT, IT'S NOT A SLAM DUNK TO SAY TO HIM, WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE'RE NOT GOING TO APPROVE IT BECAUSE I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF WE'D HAVE GROUNDS, BUT BECAUSE I DON'T WANT THE ROAD TO GO THROUGH BECAUSE I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE RIGHT.
AND THE NEIGHBORS WOULD BE UNHAPPY.
WELL, NOW HE'S IN A POSITION WHERE HE'S GOT TO PAY ALL THIS MONEY TO TRY AND COME UP WITH AN AMENDMENT.
THERE'S IT IS A NO WIN SITUATION.
UM, IT IS HARD BECAUSE IT'S, IT IS A PUBLIC DOCUMENT.
I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE GET THAT OUT MORE TO PEOPLE.
I WAS IN A SIMILAR SITUATION WHEN WE BOUGHT OUR HOME 20 YEARS AGO, WE HAD AN UNPERMITTED ROOM THAT WAS ALLOWED FOR FOR 10 YEARS AND WE DECIDED TO MAKE IT A PERMITTED SPACE.
UM, AND SO AGAIN, IN THE BACK OF OUR HOUSE AND ADD A SMALL ADDITION ON, SO WE HAVE THE ONLY ADA COMPLIANT, DRY, UH, PARKWAY ON OUR STREET THAT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH, WITH THE, THE MONEY WE HAD TO PUT IN AND BECAUSE OF POOR CONSTRUCTION BEFORE IT COSTS US EVEN MORE.
BUT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, AND WE HAD TO PAY SCHOOL FEES TO KIDS THAT WE DIDN'T EVEN HAVE GOING TO SCHOOL FOR SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT EXISTED WHEN WE BOUGHT THE HOUSE, BUT WAS NOT PERMITTED.
SO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT HAPPEN AND WE COULD HAVE INVESTIGATED THAT FURTHER BEFORE WE BOUGHT THE HOUSE.
UM, BUT WE, DIDN'T STILL NOT THE EXTENT OF EXPENSE, BUT, YOU KNOW, 20 YEARS AGO, THINGS WERE A LOT CHEAPER THAN THEY ARE NOW CHEAPER THAN TWO YEARS AGO WHEN YOU BOUGHT IT, THEN THE CONSTRUCTION COSTS ARE NOW.
SO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT, THERE'S A LOT TO CONSIDER, BUT YOU KNOW, PART OF IT IS WHAT WE HAVE BEFORE US IS JUST, DO WE ALLOW THE SUBDIVISION? THE ROAD IS JUST A PIECE OF IT, BUT WE'RE NOT SAYING, WELL, WE'LL ALLOW THE SUBDIVISION, BUT WE WON'T ALLOW THE ROAD OR THAT ISN'T, THAT ISN'T IN OUR PURVIEW.
SO WE KNOW THAT NO MATTER WHAT WE DECIDE, PEOPLE ARE GOING TO GO OUT OF THIS ROOM UNHAPPY.
AND THAT MAKES ME UNHAPPY, BUT I HAVE TO STILL FOLLOW THE RULES AND FOLLOW WHAT'S OUT THERE.
UM, AND SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT, IT IS A DIFFICULT DECISION COMMERCIAL ROLES.
SO, UM, I KIND OF ECHO WITH WHAT, WHAT, UH, COMMISSIONER CIRCLE WAS SAYING.
I'VE BEEN LOOKING AT THAT MAP AND I'VE BEEN LOOKING AT PUBLIC.
I'M JUST LOOKING AT IT FROM LIKE A PUBLIC SAFETY.
LET'S LET THAT ROAD GO THROUGH, BUT HEARTLAND FIRES ON MADISON AND IT CAN REACH ALL THOSE LITTLE FEELER FEEDER STREETS FROM MADISON.
SO I CAN'T SEE OAKDALE GOING THROUGH MAKING A DIFFERENCE THERE.
UM, I USED TO HAVE MY OFFICE UP THE STREET ON EAST MAIN STREET.
SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT HOMELESSNESS AND JUST ANOTHER ROAD FOR THEM TO GO DOWN A HUNDRED PERCENT AGREE WITH THAT, I CAN SEE HOW THAT CENSUS TRACK IS BEING SPARED AT THE MOMENT.
UM, AND THAT'S JUST A WHOLE NOTHER POLICY ISSUE.
UM, SO I'M KIND OF WITH, SERCO LIKE, IT'D BE REALLY NICE TO FIND A WAY TO, TO GET THIS TO WORK.
AND, AND I'M, I'M SUPPORTING REALLY JUST, UH, CONTINUING IT.
I THINK THERE'S SOME RESOURCES THAT MAYBE WE CAN HELP GUIDE YOU WITH.
AND MAYBE YOU CAN TALK TO GRAHAM, YOU KNOW, CITY MANAGER, HE WORKS FOR YOU.
EVERYBODY HERE WORKS FOR YOU, UH, AS, AS A RESIDENT THAT YOU'RE THE TAXPAYER.
SO I THINK IT'S AT LEAST WORTH A TRY.
AT LEAST WE DON'T COULD THE ROAD END UP THERE.
IT COULD, BUT AT LEAST WE'VE GIVEN IT A GOOD COLLEGE.
MAYBE THERE'S SOME WAYS WE CAN THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX.
UM, IT'S MY COMMUNITY AS WELL.
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OVER IN GRANITE HILLS AS WELL.AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT EVERYONE'S SAYING ABOUT THE REASON WHY THEY BOUGHT IT.
I C I CAN JUST, YOU LOOK AT THE MAP THERE, THERE REALLY IS NO WAY INTO THAT PLACE.
AND SO I CAN SEE OTHER THAN THE TRAFFIC THAT COMES DOWN THIRD IN THE, IN THE NEXT STREET OVER, I CAN SEE HOW THAT'S A NICE, NICE COMMUNITY, AND YOU WANT TO KEEP IT THAT WAY.
AND, UH, YOU GUYS PAY TAXES TOO.
UM, SO I'M REALLY IN FAVOR OF JUST CONTINUING IT.
AND I'M JUST SAYING, GIVE IT A SHOT, YOU KNOW, TALK TO PHIL ORTIZ FROM COUNCIL, TALK TO BILL WELLS, EVERYBODY ON COUNCIL IS AVAILABLE.
YOU KNOW, THEY'RE VERY ACCESSIBLE AND MAYBE THERE'S, THERE'S SOME HELP.
MAYBE THE ENGINEERING FIRM WE'LL, WE'LL CUT YOU A DEAL.
I MEAN, THERE COULD BE ALL KINDS OF THINGS WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT, BUT I THINK IT'S WORTH AT LEAST TRYING.
SO I'D BE REALLY BE IN FAVOR OF JUST CONTINUING THIS.
I DON'T KNOW ABOUT MY, WELL, LET ME ASK STAFF AGAIN.
WHAT ARE THE REPERCUSSIONS REGARDING CONTINUANCE? I KNOW YOU STATED THEM BEFORE.
I WANT YOU TO RE REITERATE THEM.
SO MR. SHOW HOPKIN HERE, I MEAN, ULTIMATELY IT'S UP TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
SHOULD THEY DECIDE TO CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING? UM, IT WOULD AFFORD ADDITIONAL TIME FOR THE APPLICANT TO EXPLORE ADDITIONAL OPTIONS.
UM, I THINK THE, THE THING THAT I WAS TRYING TO EMPHASIZE WAS THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, IT, OTHER THAN WHAT'S PROPOSED IS THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL THERE.
UM, THERE AREN'T ADDITIONAL FUNDS THAT THE CITY CAN CONTRIBUTE TO THE PROJECT.
AND SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HE HAD MENTIONED, UH, UH, ON A COUPLE OCCASIONS ABOUT WANTING TO CONTINUE IT, UH, TO SEE WHERE THERE WERE MORE FUNDS.
AND SO I WANTED TO EMPHASIZE IN MY COMMENTS THAT, UM, THE PROJECT AS CONDITIONED, UM, IN THE RESOLUTION, UM, IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GENERAL PLAN AND THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT, BUT WE DON'T HAVE THE FUNDS IN ORDER TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE PROJECT.
UH, BUT, UH, PURSUANT TO, UM, THE COMMENTS FROM COMMISSIONER ROSE, UM, IF IT IS CONTINUED AND THE APPLICANT WANTS TO EVALUATE THOSE OPTIONS AND THEN, UM, COULD ULTIMATELY IN, UM, ONE WEEK, TWO WEEKS OR A MONTH PROVIDE DIRECTION TO STAFF THAT IT'S BEEN EVALUATED AND HE WANTS TO PROCEED, UH, WITH EITHER WHAT'S PROPOSED RIGHT NOW OR AN ALTERNATIVE, THEN WE CAN EVALUATE THAT AND BRING THAT BACK TO THE PLANNING.
I WOULD LIKE TO ASK MR. SHAHAB, DO I HAVE TO OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING AGAIN TO ASK MR. SHAHAB WHAT HIS, UH, SENTIMENTS ARE OR NO, WE COULD JUST CONTINUE THIS PUBLIC HEARING TO IT, TO DATE CERTAIN.
SO WE DON'T HAVE TO ASK MR. SHAHAB THAT QUESTION.
SO THAT'S A, CAN I CALL HIM UP? YES.
MR. SHARP, COULD YOU COME UP TO THE PODIUM PLEASE? YES.
YOU HEARD WHAT'S WHAT HAS BEEN SAID, AND WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT? UH, IT'S, UH, IT'S VERY HARD TO MAKE A DECISION ABOUT THE FINANCIAL ASPECT OF IT, BUT I HEAR ONE THING AND STRUCK ME DIRECTLY IS THAT THE COMMISSION COMMISSIONERS CAN VOTE FOR A TYPE OF AMENDMENT TO THE GENERAL PLAN WITHOUT ANY COSTS.
IS THAT CORRECT? THEY HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO DO THAT.
IT'S THAT? SO THE APPLICATION THAT'S BEEN SUBMITTED TO THE CITY IS FOR A TENTATIVE PARCEL MAP FOR A TWO LOT SUBDIVISION.
AND SO NO CHANGE TO THE GENERAL PLAN HAS BEEN PROPOSED.
AND SO, UM, THAT IS NOT BEEN, UM, NOTICE TO THE PUBLIC, UH, NOR HAS IT BEEN EVALUATED AS PART OF STAFF'S REVIEW OF YOUR PROJECT.
AND SO ESSENTIALLY THE APPLICANT WOULD BE CHANGING THE SCOPE OF THEIR APPLICATION IN ORDER TO CHANGE THE GENERAL PLAN.
AND EVEN IF THE PROJECT WERE TO BE APPROVED TONIGHT BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND WERE TO BE APPEALED TO THE CITY COUNCIL, UM, THAT DECISION, UH, TO CHANGE THE GENERAL PLAN WOULD ALSO NOT BE IN FRONT OF THE CITY COUNCIL.
SO IT WOULD STILL HAVE TO BE TO GO BACK TO THE START AND BE EVALUATED, UM, FOR THOSE CHANGES.
AND, AND TO LOOK AT THOSE IMPACTS ASSOCIATED WITH CHANGING, WHAT'S BEEN ON THE GENERAL PLAN.
SO JUST SO I CAN, I THINK IT WOULD BE BASICALLY LIKE BRINGING IN A WHOLE NEW APPLICATION, STARTING ALL OVER, I MEAN, FOR BETTER TERMS, RIGHT? CORRECT.
IT'S COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.
YOU MENTIONED IF HE, AND I WANTED TO CLARIFY THIS, IS THERE STILL A POSSIBILITY TO NOT HAVE THAT STREET RUN THROUGH AND STILL HAVE MORE THAN ONE AND STILL DO A LOT SPLIT OR, OR HAVE TWO PARCELS? I MEAN, AT A CONCEPTUAL LEVEL? UM, YES, THAT WOULD BE POSSIBLE, BUT IT NEEDS TO BE, UM, COMPLETELY EVALUATED BEFORE, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, UM, INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S PLANNED, UM, TO GO THROUGH THERE IN CONJUNCTION WITH THIS AND, AND, UM, SO IT NEEDS TO ALL BE EVALUATED AND IT NEEDS TO BECOME AS A PROPOSAL FROM THE APPLICANTS BY THEIR ENGINEER TO BE EVALUATED BY, BY STAFF.
SO MR. SHARP, THE DECISION IS YOURS.
UH, SOUNDS LIKE I JUST HAVE TO RE PROPOSED
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WITH A NEW DRAWING AND THEN YOU GUYS WANT TO REVIEW IT AND THEN IT WILL BE IN DECISION MADE WITH THIS COMMISSIONERS, BUT YOU STILL HAVE TO GET THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT.YOU STILL HAVE TO DO THAT NINE YARDS.
AND WHAT, WHAT KIND OF COMPENSATION DERIVE OR REIMBURSEMENT OR ANY TYPE OF SUPPORT FROM THE CITY STAFF? I DON'T THINK THERE'S NONE.
NO, BUT I WOULD LOOK AT GRANTS IN CALIFORNIA.
UH, THERE'S A TON OF GRANTS, CALIFORNIA HAS, UM, THAT I THINK THAT THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS I THINK THAT ARE ON THE BOOKS NOW THAT MAKE IT ACTUALLY EASIER FOR YOU TO MAYBE LOOK AT SOME OPTIONS WHEN IT COMES TO THAT.
I KNOW YOU'RE ALREADY THINKING ABOUT HOW YOU WANT TO BUILD AND STUFF.
SO, I MEAN, ALL I WAS SAYING WAS, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THEY'LL SOMETHING WILL POP UP.
MAYBE IT'S WORTH A PAUSE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT THIS, YOU CAN COME BACK ANYTIME WE'LL BE IN FRONT OF YOU AGAIN, EITHER TO APPROVE OR DENY, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT THAT, YOU'VE GOT THIS PART, BUT IF THERE'S ANY CHANCE OF MAYBE SOMETHING THAT WAS MISSED OR TALKING TO AN ENGINEERING FIRM AND ASK THEM, HEY, WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE REAL COST OF THIS? YOU KNOW, IT MAY BE WORTH LOOKING INTO MAYBE, MAYBE THEY'LL GIVE YOU A CREDIT FOR THE WORK.
UH, AND HOW ABOUT THE TIMEFRAME? CAN WE EXPEDITE IT? UM, CITY STAFF WOULD BE HAPPY TO EXPEDITE IT AND WORK CLOSELY WITH THE APPLICANT ON, ON ANY RECENT RENTALS.
UM, BUT A LOT OF THE, UM, TIMELINE IS GOING TO BE DEPENDENT UPON THE APPLICANT AND THE APPLICANTS, UM, CONSULTANTS.
SO THEN PRODUCING NEW DOCUMENTS AND SO FORTH, BUT WE ARE HAPPY TO MAKE THIS A PRIORITY I'D LIKE TO CONTINUE CONTINUOUS.
I THINK, UH, WE'RE AT THE END OF THE LINE, UH, ANYONE WANT TO MAKE A MOTION? I MOVED TO CONTINUE TO DATE UNCERTAIN AGAIN.
UM, STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE CONTINUE TO A DATE UNCERTAIN, AND THEN THAT WOULD ALLOW, UM, CITY STAFF THE OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, PROVIDE AN ADDITIONAL NOTICE TO THE PUBLIC ABOUT THE UPDATED HEARING.
UM, JUST BECAUSE A LOT OF THE, UM, THE TIMING OF THE CONTINUANCE IS GOING TO BE DEPENDENT UPON THE APPLICANT AND HIS, UM, OUTREACH WITH CONSULTANTS.
AND SO I DON'T WANT TO HAVE US CONTINUE TO A DATE CERTAIN AND THEN HAVE THE PUBLIC COME BACK WITHOUT AN ANSWER.
SO LET'S CONTINUE TO, UH, DATE, UM, EMOTION HAS BEEN MADE A CONTINUANCE TO DATE ON CERTAIN.
DO I HAVE A SECOND CAKE, UM, MOTION BY COMMISSIONER CIRCLE SECOND BY COMMISSIONER POLICH ROOT, PLEASE VOTE MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.
I WISH YOU THE BEST ON A URINE DIVERSE.
YEAH, AND I, I WOULD REALLY RECOMMEND REACHING OUT MAYBE TO A, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE COUNCIL OR, OR EVEN A GRAM ON THIS ONE, IF YOU REALLY WANT TO GET, YOU KNOW, SEE WHAT THERE IS, THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO POINT YOU IN SOME DIRECTIONS TO THAT THEY KNOW ABOUT.
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THIRD ITEM IS BABYLON PALACE REVIEW BANQUET HALL OPERATION WITH ON SALE ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES AND JOINT USE PARKING LOT, EXCEPT REPORT FROM STAFF THAT, UH, THANK YOU, CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS.UM, AGAIN, THIS IS NOAH ALVIE, DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, UH, PRESENTING THIS ITEM.
UM, SO HERE YOU CAN SEE, UM, A VIEW OF THE SUBJECT SITE AT 4 56 NORTH MAGNOLIA AVENUE.
UM, THAT'S LOCATED ON THE WEST SIDE OF NORTH MAGNOLIA AVENUE BETWEEN WISCONSIN AVENUE AND WEST MADISON AVENUE.
SO HERE, UM, JUST SOME BACKGROUND, UM, CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT NUMBER 2, 2 0 5 WAS APPROVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL IN 2014.
AND THAT WAS FOR THE SITE TO BE OPERATED AS A BANQUET HALL.
UM, THE ONGOING CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL ARE EXCERPTED HERE ON THE SLIDE.
UM, THEY ESSENTIALLY REQUIRE A COMPATIBILITY WITH SURROUNDING PROPERTIES AND USES AND THAT THE SALE OF ALCOHOL, UM, SHOULD NOT CREATE PROBLEMS OR NUISANCES.
SO TONIGHT'S DISCUSSION ITEM IS RELATED TO AN INCREASE IN CALLS FOR SERVICE AT THE SITE, UH, BY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND EVENTS THAT HAVE CAUSED PROBLEMS, INCLUDING, UM, SHOOTINGS THAT HAVE OCCURRED AT THE SITE.
SO THE INTENT OF STAFF IS TO BRING ATTENTION TO THE PROBLEMS AND TO PROVIDE NOTICE TO THE PROPERTY OWNER THAT IF THE PROBLEMS AREN'T ADDRESSED, UH, THAT STAFF COULD INITIATE THE REVOCATION OF THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
SO BETWEEN FEBRUARY OF 2021 AND 2022, A TOTAL OF 49 CALLS FOR SERVICE OCCURRED, UH, LIEUTENANT SPECO WHO'S AT THE, AT THE BACK OF THE CHAMBERS THIS EVENING IS HERE.
UM, HE'S GONNA PROVIDE SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, UM, AS IT RELATES TO, UM,
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THE CALLS, UH, FOLLOWING THIS SUMMARY, UM, FOR BACKGROUND, UM, STAFF WOULD LIKE TO NOTE THAT THE OPERATOR WAS PROVIDED NOTICE REGARDING THE TOTAL CALLS FOR SERVICE ON MARCH 25TH, AND THEN FOLLOWING THAT NOTIFICATION, UH, LIEUTENANT SPECO AND MYSELF, UH, MET WITH THE, UM, APPLE OR THE OPERATOR, UM, AT THE SITE.AND, UH, FOLLOWING THAT, UM, A PLAN, UM, TO ADDRESS THESE CONCERNS WAS PRESENTED BY THE OPERATOR ON APRIL 4TH.
UH, AND SO THE IS ALSO PRESENT HERE, UM, IN THE CHAMBERS THIS EVENING.
SO STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR THIS ITEM IS JUST THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION, EXCEPT THIS REPORTS, UH, PROVIDE FEEDBACK TO STAFF ON THE OPERATORS PLANS, UH, TO ELIMINATE THE NUISANCE ACTIVITIES AT THE SITE.
AND SO AT TIME, MR. CHAIRMAN, UH, WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND IS THAT YOU INVITE, UH, LIEUTENANTS BRECHO, UM, UP TO THE DIOCESE, UM, IN ORDER TO ADDRESS THE PLANNING COMMISSION, AND HE CAN PROVIDE A LITTLE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION REGARDING THE CALLS FOR SERVICE, AND THEN I WOULD SUGGEST I'M INVITING THE OPERATOR TO STEP FORWARD.
THANK YOU, LIEUTENANT SPECKLE, COULD YOU PLEASE COME FORWARD? HOW DO YOU SPELL IT? SPECKLE, S P R E C C O.
IS EDDIE SPRECHER YOUR COUSIN? YES, HE IS.
UH, THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME, UM, WITHIN THE LAST YEAR, UH, WE HAD RESPONDED TO, AS MR. ALVEY SAID, UH, 49 CALLS FOR SERVICE AT, UH, BABYLON PALACE, UH, OF THOSE HALF WERE QUITE CONCERNING DUE TO THE, THE VIOLENT NATURE OF THE CALLS.
UH, WE RESPONDED TO ASSAULTS FIGHTS, PUBLIC DRUNKENNESS, RECKLESS DRIVING, AND MOST CONCERNING, UH, WERE SHOOTINGS.
MANY OF THOSE CALLS, UH, DUE TO THE NUMBER OF, OF, OF PEOPLE THAT WERE AT THE ESTABLISHMENT.
IT REQUIRED FOR US TO REACH OUT TO NEIGHBORING AGENCIES FOR ASSISTANCE FROM THE CALIFORNIA HIGHWAY PATROL THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, AND, UH, AERIAL SUPPORT TO, UH, BREAK UP CROWDS AND TO ASSIST WITH, UH, UH, CRIME SCENE INVESTIGATIONS.
UH, TWO OF THE SHOOTINGS IN PARTICULAR, UH, WHEN OFFICERS RESPONDED ON SCENE, THEY FOUND MULTIPLE DIFFERENT, UH, CALIBERS OF SHELL CASINGS, UH, IN THE AREA, WHICH WOULD INDICATE THAT MULTIPLE FIREARMS WERE BEING USED.
UH, AND IN ONE SPECIFIC CASE, UH, AS OFFICERS WERE INVESTIGATING A SHOOTING, WE RECEIVED CALLS FROM GROSS GROSSMONT HOSPITAL, UH, WHO RECEIVED A PATIENT WITH A GUNSHOT WOUND TO THE LEG WHO HAD COME FROM AN EVENT AT BABYLON PALACE.
UH, WE WERE ABLE TO OBTAIN SURVEILLANCE FOOTAGE FROM BABYLON PALACE ON THAT SPECIFIC, UH, INCIDENT AND WITNESSED AT LEAST TWO DIFFERENT PEOPLE SHOOTING BACK AND FORTH AT EACH OTHER, UH, IN THE PARKING LOT WHERE OTHER PEOPLE WERE PRESENT.
AND THEN IN ANOTHER SHOOTING, WE HAD AN OFFICER WHO WAS AT THE INTERSECTION OF MAGNOLIA AND MADISON WHO ACTUALLY WITNESSED A VEHICLE COMING OUT OF THE ALLEY WITH A PERSON HANGING OUT OF THE VEHICLE, ARMED WITH A FIREARM AND WAS SHOOTING BACK IN THE DIRECTION OF WHERE BABYLON PALACE WAS.
UH, AND IN THAT CASE, NINE SHELL NINE BULLETS HAD ACTUALLY STRUCK A NEIGHBORING BUSINESS, WHICH THANKFULLY WAS UNOCCUPIED, UH, AS A RESULT OF ALL THE CALLS FOR SERVICE THAT WERE RESPONDED TO, UH, SPECIFICALLY THE SHOOTINGS, UH, OFFICERS RECOVERED A TOTAL OF THREE FIREARMS, AND THE INCIDENTS THEMSELVES HAVE BECOME, UH, QUITE A STRAIN ON, UH, LAW ENFORCEMENT, UH, UH, SERVICES.
UH, THROUGHOUT THE LAST YEAR, WE HAVE HAD SEVERAL CONVERSATIONS, THE OWNER WHO IS PRESENT, AND IN SOME CASES HE WAS PRESENT DURING THOSE INCIDENTS.
SO HE WAS AWARE OF THE, UH, THE INCIDENTS THAT WERE OCCURRING AS A RESULT OF THE ACTIVITIES, UM, AND THE EVENTS THAT WERE BEING HELD AT BABYLON PALACE, UH, SINCE FEBRUARY OF THIS YEAR, UH, AND OUR MEETINGS THAT MR. ALVIE AND I HAVE HAD WITH THE OWNER, THERE HAVE BEEN NO ADDITIONAL CALLS FOR SERVICE THAT THEY, UH, WERE DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE FOR.
AND THAT IS ALL, UH, WE'VE DONE A SPARKLE.
UM, WHAT KIND OF, UH, UH, WHERE THEY'RE HAVING CONCERTS, WHAT KIND OF EVENTS WERE GOING ON AT THE TIME WHEN THESE OCCUR, UH, OCCURRED? SO IN CONVERSATIONS WITH THE OWNER AND, UH, EVENTS THAT WERE ADVERTISED PUBLICLY ON SOCIAL MEDIA, THE EVENTS THAT WE HAD BEEN RESPONDING TO THAT WERE SPECIFICALLY OF CONCERNS WERE, UM, MUSIC TYPE CONCERTS, RAP CONCERTS.
THERE WERE A COUPLE, UH, EVENTS THAT, UH, WERE DESCRIBED AS, UH, LIQUOR AND LINGERIE CONCERTS AND A TORQUING
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EVENT AT, UH, AT BABYLON PALACE.DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ALL TENANTS? PRECO I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, UM, AND I'M NOT SURE IF THIS IS A QUESTION FOR LIEUTENANT SPRECHER OR NOT, BUT I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN HAVE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE USE THESE AS BANQUET HALLS.
WHERE'S THE LINE BETWEEN A NIGHTCLUB AND A BANQUET HALL, YOU KNOW, OR A STRIP CLUB OR WHATEVER, HECK YOU WANT TO CALL THEM.
IS THERE A, IS THERE A FINE LINE IN THAT AND MAYBE, YOU KNOW, THAT, UH, LV YES, WE CAN ADDRESS THAT.
UM, I MEAN, IT ESSENTIALLY BOILS DOWN TO WHEN, UH, THE REQUIREMENT FOR AN ABC LICENSE IS TRIGGERED.
UM, SO AT A BANQUET HALL, UM, SO TYPICALLY, LIKE IF I WERE TO BE, UM, RESERVING THE BANQUET HALL FOR A WEDDING, UM, I COULD BRING A CATERER, UM, TO THE PROPERTY AND THE CATERER WOULD PRESUMABLY HAVE THEIR ABC LICENSE IN ORDER TO DISTRIBUTE ALCOHOL FOR THE EVENT.
UM, SO THE, THE ISSUE WOULD BE, UM, YOU KNOW, HAVING SOMEONE SANCTIONED TO SELL ALCOHOL THERE.
UM, SO THESE TYPES OF CONCERTS WOULDN'T FALL UNDER A CATERING PERMITS TYPE EVENT.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE, UH, CODE ENFORCEMENT OR CODE COMPLIANCE STAFF, I SHOULD SAY HAVEN'T SPECIFICALLY, UM, IDENTIFIED OR BEEN ABLE TO DOCUMENT THESE ISSUES ASIDE FROM, UM, THE, UH, ADVERTISEMENTS THAT WE'VE SEEN, UH, FOR THE EVENTS.
UM, BUT REALLY, UM, THE MAJOR ISSUE THAT WE HAD WAS IN RESPONSE TO, UM, THE CONDUCT AND NUISANCE ACTIVITIES ASSOCIATED WITH THE EVENTS.
SO WE'VE, WE'VE DISCUSSED BOTH OF THOSE WITH THE, UM, OPERATOR.
AND SO HE'S AWARE OF, OF WHAT'S REQUIRED IN 20.
THE CONDITIONS, UH, USE WAS THAT A FAMILY EVENT WAS A WEDDINGS, ANNIVERSARIES, BIRTHDAYS, WHICH, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU HAVE THESE EVENTS, YOU HAVE FOOD WITH ALCOHOL WHERE A CONCERT, THERE'S NO FOOD USUALLY.
AND IF YOU'RE DRINKING, IT CAUSES PROBLEMS. SO THE CONDITION, UH, UH, THE CONDITIONAL USE THAT WE APPROVED THAT WAS NOT BEING OUT HERE TOO.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE LIEUTENANT? UM, JUST ONE, I MEAN, I KNOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS PERIOD FROM FEBRUARY, 2021 TO 2022.
UM, IS IT BECAUSE THIS WAS AN, UH, UH, UM, A VERY UNUSUAL AMOUNT OF CALLS ON THIS PARTICULAR ESTABLISHMENT.
THAT'S NOW BRINGING IT TO YOUR ATTENTION AND THE NATURE OF THE TYPES OF CALLS IS THIS, IS THIS UNUSUAL ACTIVITY FOR WHAT YOU'VE BEEN SEEING HERE, OR HAS THIS BEEN GOING ON? AND IT JUST SEEMED TO RAMP UP STARTING WITH FEBRUARY 20, 21.
WE BELIEVE IT WAS AS A RESULT OF HIM CHANGING THE BUSINESS OWNER, CHANGING UP HIS BUSINESS MODEL.
UH WHICH WAS DIRECTLY RELATED TO THE IMPACT OF COVID, UH, IN MEETINGS WITH HIM, HE SPECIFICALLY TOLD US THAT HE WAS TRYING TO BRING IN ADDITIONAL REVENUE AND BY BRINGING IN THE REVENUE, IT REQUIRED, UH, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT TYPES OF EVENTS THAT HE WAS HOSTING.
SO AS FAR AS YOUR SPECIFIC QUESTION, UH, PRIOR TO FEBRUARY 17TH, 2021, WE WEREN'T RESPONDING TO AN UNUSUAL NUMBER OF CALLS.
IT WAS DURING THAT SPECIFIC TIME PERIOD WHERE WE WERE HAVING LOTS OF CONVERSATIONS AND IT REQUIRED US TO TAKE A, UH, AN ADDITIONAL LOOK AT WHAT EXACTLY WAS GOING ON AND WHY IT WAS OCCURRING, MAKE SURE OUR PRODUCT GROUP.
SO THE, SO FROM HAVING THE DISCUSSIONS WITH HIM, IT'S JUST, IT WAS DISCOVERED THAT THE DIFFERENT EVENTS, JUST THE DIFFERENT CROWD, THEN IT CAUSED ISSUES WITH THE EXCESSIVE CALLS DUE TO THE DIFFERENT CLIENTELE THAT WAS COMING IN DUE TO THE CHANGE OF BUSINESS PLAN.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE, MR.
DID I PRONOUNCE IT CORRECTLY? HOW DO YOU SAY YOUR NAME? MIKE
YOU WANT ME TO SPELL IT? WELL, I HAVE IT HERE ON THE DOOR.
ANYWAY, I'M THE GENERAL MANAGER FOR BABYLON PALACE, UM, ABOUT, WELL, NOT QUITE A DECADE AGO.
UM, MY MOM, WHO'S ALMOST A DECADE OLDER NOW AND BY THE WAY, TODAY'S HER BIRTHDAY AND THEY TIMED IT, NOT ME.
UH, BUT AT ANY RATE, UH, WE OPENED, UH, SOME EIGHT YEARS AGO IN ALCOHOL.
AND I GUESS FROM LISTENING TO YOUR CONVERSATIONS AND ALL OF THE PEOPLE THAT WERE HERE, IT MADE ME MORE SO REALIZED THAT ALCOHOL IS MORE OF A TIGHT-KNIT
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COMMUNITY.UH, AND UNFORTUNATELY, ONE OF THE THINGS WE DID BECAUSE OF COVID, UH, WE NEARLY HAD A HUNDRED PERCENT CANCELLATIONS.
SO WE WERE LOOKING AT ANY TYPE OF REVENUE JUST TO, TO KEEP OUR DOORS OPEN.
WE DIDN'T GET A LOT OF THE SHATTERED VENUE, UM, UH, GRANTS.
UH, ACTUALLY WE GOT NONE AND WE AREN'T A RESTAURANT EITHER.
WE COULDN'T GET ANY OF THOSE THINGS.
WE DID GET A GOVERNMENT LOAN, WHICH HELPED ME MAKE IT THROUGH.
SO WE CHANGED OUR BUSINESS PLAN, SO TO SPEAK.
UH, WE STARTED TAKING ON SOME CONCERTS.
THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH COMING TO THE VENUE.
OF COURSE, BRINGING THOSE TYPES OF CONCERTS TO A MORE QUIET COMMUNITY.
LIKE THIS HAD VERY, VERY NEGATIVE IMPACT AND IT PUT A LOT OF STRESS ON THE POLICE FORCE.
AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THEM FOR BEING THERE EVERY TIME I CALLED THEM, THEY RESPONDED QUICKLY.
THEY HELPED US ALLEVIATE THE ISSUES.
UM, IT WAS VERY APPARENT TO ME AFTER THE FIRST SHOOTING THAT WE NEEDED TO STOP, UH, DOING THESE TYPES OF CONCERTS.
UH, I HAD CONTRACTS WITH A LOT OF THEM.
UH, SOME OF THEM WERE WILLING JUST TO TAKE THEIR MONEY BACK.
SOME OF THEM TOOK, UH, ADDITIONAL FEES TO, TO RESCHEDULE AND MOVE.
UH, AND SINCE ABOUT A MONTH, WE'VE DISCONTINUED ALL OF THEM.
WE'VE HAD ZERO POLICE CALLS SINCE WE'VE GOTTEN RID OF THEM.
UH, WE PRIMARILY DO HAPPY EVENTS.
AND THAT WAS THE THING THAT, THAT REALLY GOT US IS, YOU KNOW, GRANTED YET PEOPLE WERE COMING.
IT WAS MOSTLY YOUNGER CROWD IN LINGERIE PARTIES AND WHATNOT.
UM, IT'S NOT WHAT WE REALLY LIKE.
I DO WEDDINGS, ENGAGEMENTS, THINGS OF THE LIKE, UH, I ENJOYED THE WORK.
IT'S ACTUALLY A LOT OF FUN, EVEN THOUGH WE WORK SEVEN DAYS A WEEK, SOMETIMES IT'S DEVASTATING.
UH, WE CAME TO ALCOHOL SOON BECAUSE I'D BEEN HERE DECADES BEFORE IN THE WESTFIELD MALL.
I KNEW THAT IT HAD A LOT OF POTENTIAL AND USE A BANQUET HALL.
UM, MY, MY MANAGER THAT SITS ME IS FROM THE KALYAN COMMUNITY, EVEN THOUGH I'M ARMENIAN.
UH, THE COLOMBIAN COMMUNITY STILL LIKES THEIR OWN DOSE.
I ONLY DO ABOUT 10 TO 20% BUSINESS WITH THEM.
UH, I FOUND OTHER NICHES WHICH HELPED US SURVIVE, BUT THAT'S ASIDE FROM THE ISSUE HERE ANYWAY, BUT WE DO A LOT OF LATIN PARTIES.
WE DO A LOT OF KEEN SENIORS, WHICH ARE LIKE A SWEET 16 BIRTHDAY.
A LOT OF THEM WERE LEAVING ALCOHOL AND GOING DOWN TO CHULA VISTA BECAUSE OF THAT NEED.
UM, SO I'M PROUD TO SAY THAT WE'VE KEPT A LOT OF THEM AND MORE SO NOW WE'VE DONE SO WELL.
WE'RE BRINGING THEM FROM THERE TO HERE BECAUSE WE HAVE PARKING THIRD AVENUE, CHULA VISTA HAS NO PARKING, SO WE'VE DONE A LOT TO HELP THE COMMUNITY IN THAT ASPECT.
UM, AND I HOPE THE CITY COUNCIL CAN FORGIVE ME A LITTLE BIT FOR THE GLITCH WE'VE HAD, BUT WE'VE PRETTY MUCH DISCONTINUED THEM.
IF I MAY ADD THE ONLY OTHER TYPES OF CONCERTS I'M DOING, UH, WHERE THERE IS NO FOOD IS WHERE I HAVE MIDDLE-AGED PEOPLE COMING TO DO A SALSA NIGHT.
THEY COME AND DO, UH, DANCING AND NOBODY EVEN THERE'S NO FIGHTS OR, OR ANYTHING WE DO THAT ONLY ONCE A MONTH.
WE WERE ALMOST SOLD OUT TO THE END OF THE YEAR.
UM, THE CALENDAR HAS BEEN REALLY BUSY.
UH, EVEN IF I HAVE EMPTY DATES, I DON'T NEED TO FILL THEM WITH CONCERTS ANYMORE BECAUSE WE HAVE ENOUGH REVENUE.
I COULD STAY HOME AND TAKE A FRIDAY NIGHT OR A SUNDAY NIGHT OFF.
UM, WE DON'T HAVE ANY GUNS IN THE FACILITY.
THERE'S NO MORE SHOTGUN WEDDINGS.
I HAD TO THROW THAT ONE IN, UH, BUT IN GENERAL, WE'VE RESORTED BACK TO WHAT WE DO.
UH, THE WHOLE IDEA OF COMING TO ALCOHOL BY THE WAY WAS, UH, PRIOR TO THIS, WE HAD A BANQUET FACILITY IN THE BEST WESTERN IN LA JOLLA.
AND MY IDEAL WAS TO BRING THAT KIND OF CALIBER OF WORK, UH, TO A MORE LOWER RENT DISTRICT.
AND I THINK WE FIT IN WELL WITH COMPETED WELL WITH, UH, WITH THE LOCAL BANQUET HALLS.
A LOT OF MY CLIENTELE, UM, JUST, JUST THE LAST WEDDING.
A LOT OF THEM WERE IN THE MARRIOTT.
UM, BUT I LIKE DOING MORE HIGH END WORK AND KEEPING THE PRICES REASONABLE.
I HAVE A 20 YEAR LEASE ON THE FACILITY.
WE'VE DONE MAJOR IMPROVEMENTS.
WE'RE ALWAYS DOING IMPROVEMENTS.
UM, I'M WORKING RIGHT NOW WITH OFFICER NICKS.
PRECO, I'M SENDING HIM A LIST OF ALL OF OUR EVENTS EVERY MONTH, JUST SO HE'S AWARE.
UM, I DO GET SOME CANCELLATIONS HERE AND THERE AND I TRY TO STRESS TO HIM.
SOMETIMES DON'T BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU SEE ON SOCIAL MEDIA BECAUSE THAT LINGERIE PARTY WITH ALCOHOL, THEY WERE SAN DIEGO STATE UNIVERSITY.
AND OBVIOUSLY I WASN'T GOING TO HAVE ANY ALCOHOL WHEN IT'S ALL COLLEGE KIDS.
WE DID NOT SERVE ALCOHOL THAT NIGHT, BUT THEY ADVERTISED IT AS SUCH.
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SOCIAL MEDIA IS A LITTLE DECEIVING, BUT BACK TO THE ROOT OF THE PROBLEM, WE DID REALIZE THE PROBLEM, THE ISSUE RIGHT AWAY, ESPECIALLY WHEN I SAW SHOOTINGS.I'M NOT FOLLOWING THE TIMELINE, BUT I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE A TIMELINE.
BUT ANYWAY, I APPRECIATE YOU, UM, BEING HERE TO TAKE THE TIME TO LISTEN TO ME AND, UH, UH, WE'RE WE DEFINITELY TOOK INTO CONSIDERATION.
UM, I MEAN, ALL OF THE ADVICE THAT, UH, MR. NOAH, ALVIN, UM, NO, THEY, THEY WERE ALL VERY NICE TO ME.
UH, WE'VE ALWAYS COOPERATED WITH EVERYONE.
WE'RE ADDING MORE CAMERAS, EVEN THOUGH I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO NEED THEM NOW THAT WE'RE NOT DOING MANY CONCERTS WHERE ALMOST ALL BIRTHDAYS AND WEDDINGS ENGAGEMENTS IN THE LIKE, WELL, I'M GLAD THAT YOU'RE, UH, CONCENTRATING ON FAMILY EVENTS.
WELL THAT WAS THE GOAL FROM THE BEGINNING.
I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT WE DID BEFORE, BUT, UH, I CAN'T DESCRIBE TO YOU HOW COVID JUST LITERALLY WIPED OUT EVERY PENNY WE HAD AND I COULDN'T GET ENOUGH GRANTS BECAUSE WE DIDN'T FIT IN ANY MODEL.
UH, THE PERSON THAT ACTUALLY OWNS IT, UM, HAD A ADJACENT STORE IN THE MALLS.
AND THEN WHEN I WAS LOOKING FOR A BANQUET FACILITY AND I CALLED IT IN, I WAS SURPRISED THAT IT WAS HIM RIGHT AWAY.
HE GAVE IT TO ME BECAUSE HE'D KNOWN ME FOR NEARLY A DECADE.
I WAS WITH WESTFIELD FOR ABOUT 2017 YEARS.
WASN'T THAT BUILDING BEFORE THE ALCOHOL AND POST OFFICE.
ORIGINALLY THE BUILDING IS AMAZING.
IT'S OH, IT'S BUILT LIKE A GOVERNMENT SHELTER.
SO IT'S A GOOD, I SOUNDPROOFED IT.
I DID SO MUCH RENOVATION TO IT.
WE DIDN'T OPEN FOR NEARLY A YEAR.
I GUTTED THE ENTIRE SEWER SYSTEM.
I SOUNDPROOFED THE ENTIRE THING, EVEN THOUGH THERE'S NO NEIGHBORS NEXT TO US.
THERE'S THE CRYSTAL BALLROOM TO THE, IF YOU'RE FROM THE STREET TO THE LEFT OF ME, AND THEN THERE'S A DENTAL OFFICE AND ATTORNEYS WHO LEAVE BY THE TIME WE FIRED UP.
AND THERE'S NOTHING FOR A BLOCK OUT.
SO IT'S IDEAL AS A BANQUET FACILITY.
OH, COMMISSIONER, YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR.
I MEAN, NOT ONLY WITH COVID, BUT THEN IT SOUNDS LIKE THIS EXPERIMENT WOULD KIND OF AWRY ON YOU AND I'M GLAD YOU SAW THE WRITING ON THE WALL, YOU KNOW, AND, AND NOBODY GOT HURT AND YOUR STAFF, YOU KNOW, WELL, IT WAS MORE THAN JUST THE STUFF I WAS WORRIED ABOUT.
I MEAN, FOR ME TO ANYONE TO GET HURT AND BECAUSE OF WHAT WE DID WOULD HAVE BEEN DEVASTATING BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE DO FUN THINGS.
I SIT THERE AND I'M SMILING LITERALLY THE WHOLE NIGHT, WATCHING PEOPLE DANCE AND HAVE FUN.
AND YOU KNOW, AND THEN WHEN THEY DO THEIR SPEECHES AND WHATNOT, IMAGINE GOING TO A WEDDING THREE TIMES A WEEK, IT'S BEEN A DEFINITELY A GREAT EXPERIENCE.
I JUST WANTED TO SHARE THAT WITH YOU GUYS.
BUT WE'RE THE ONLY THING I REALLY WANT TO REITERATE IS WE HAVE BEEN A GOOD PART OF THE COMMUNITY.
I'VE DONE A LOT FOR THE COMMUNITY.
WE DO ALMOST, UH, RIGHT NOW THIS YEAR, WE'RE DOING ABOUT 20,000 GUESTS A YEAR BEFORE COVID THOUGH WE WERE BETWEEN 30 AND 40,000 GUESTS.
ALL RIGHT, WELL, HOPEFULLY I'LL GET RIGHT BACK THERE.
WE'RE GETTING THERE, BUT NO MORE HIP HOP CONCERTS.
AND UNLESS THEY'RE IN THEIR MID FORTIES, FIFTIES, I'M GOING TO FEED THEM AND SIT THEM DOWN.
SO I DON'T SPEAK AS MUCH SPANISH, BUT I'VE, I LISTENED TO HIM SO MANY LATIN SONGS ALL THE TIME.
MAYBE YOU NEED AN AMBULANCE THERE WHEN YOU HAVE A SENIOR SELF.
UM, A FEW OF THEM, ACTUALLY, I, THOSE CONCERTS ARE GREAT BECAUSE THEY HAVE TABLES AND CHAIRS AND SEATS WHERE THE YOUNGER CROWD, THEY DIDN'T WANT ANYTHING.
I BASICALLY, AS A VENUE, WE RENT TO ONE PERSON, THE ONE PERSON DOING THE WEDDING OR THE BIRTHDAY OR THE QUINCEANERA, THE CONCERTS THAT WAS BASICALLY THE SAME KIND OF A THING WHERE I RENT IT TO ONE PERSON.
BUT AS, UM, NOAH SAID, THERE'S SOME ISSUES WITH THE ALCOHOL.
SO TO STAY ON THE SAFE SIDE, WE TALKED TO SOME ATTORNEYS AND I'M WORKING ON GETTING WHAT'S CALLED A, UM, UH, THE SOUNDS OF DECEIVING.
AND IT SOUNDS HORRIBLE, BUT IT'S CALLED A CLUB LICENSE.
SO WHERE IT IS, YOU GO TO A GOLF COURSE, IT'S A CLUB.
SO ONE INDIVIDUAL CAN RENT THE CLUBHOUSE OF THE GOLF COURSE.
AND ANYONE COMING INTO THE CLUB CAN STILL BUY LIQUOR IN GENERAL.
MOST OF OUR LIQUORS FREE, UM, WHAT WE HAVE IN THE BAR, MY BARTENDER MAKES MORE IN TIPS THAN WHAT WE SELL.
SO WE'RE NOT REALLY UNDER THE ABC BLANKET, BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE, UM, BECAUSE WE, WE OFFER HIGH-END LIQUOR, BUT I CAN'T GIVE THEM VERY EXPENSIVE
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LIQUOR FOR FREE.SO I HAVE IT THERE IN THE GUESTS.
IF THEY DON'T WANT SOMETHING VERY MODERATELY PRICED, THEY'LL JUST PAY IT ANOTHER FIVE OR $10.
AS WITH THAT CLUB LICENSE, I'LL BE ABLE TO SELL THAT A HUNDRED DOLLARS OR LESS LEGALLY.
IT'S A THOUSAND DOLLAR A YEAR LICENSE VERSUS THE RESTAURANT LICENSED AT, I BELIEVE 17,000 FROM THE ABC OR A HUNDRED THOUSAND ON THE OPEN MARKET.
IN YOUR EVENTS, YOU OFFER FREE, FREE LIQUOR.
THAT'S AN INVITATION TO GET DRUNK.
WELL, MOST PEOPLE, THEY GO TO WEDDINGS FOR THE OPEN BAR AT ANY FACILITY, NOT JUST MINE, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM.
THEY ALL HAVE WORKED IN RESTAURANTS AND CLUBS.
THEY KNOW WHEN TO CUT PEOPLE OFF.
THE SECURITY ALWAYS WATCHES THEM.
WE HAVE, UH, WE'VE BEEN DOING WELL FOR EIGHT YEARS.
THANK GOD, BECAUSE IT IS A TOUCH AND GO BUSINESS.
AND WE DID HAVE AN OPEN BAR, BUT LIKE AN HOUR OPEN.
IT WAS A TIMEFRAME AFTER THAT.
I ALWAYS SURPRISED SOME PEOPLE TELL ME, MIKE, WE DON'T WANT TO OPEN IT UNTIL EIGHT AND, YOU KNOW, FINISH IT OFF BY 11.
THAT'S A LONG TIME TO GET DRUNK.
BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DO, I TELL MY BARTENDER THE SAME THING.
I WANT PEOPLE TO COME HAVE FUN.
LET HIM DRINK A BIG STRAWBERRY MARGARITA, BUT JUST GIVE THEM A LITTLE BIT.
SO EVEN IF THEY'RE GOING TO DRINK QUITE A FEW DRINKS, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO GET THE TOTAL IMPACT.
I LET PEOPLE LEAVE THEIR CARS.
I ALWAYS ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO CARPOOL.
SO WE'RE ALWAYS ON, ON THE SIDE OF KEEPING EVERYONE SAFE.
AND, UM, WE WERE OVER A DECADE IN LA JOLLA, NO PROBLEMS IN HERE FOR THE, YOU KNOW, PRE COVID.
WE WE'VE HAD A FEW INCIDENCES, BUT NOT TOO MANY.
AND ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? ANY QUESTIONS? NOPE.
THANK YOU SO MUCH AND THANKS FOR ALL YOUR HELP FOR HELPING GET THIS THING TOGETHER.
I THINK THE INTENT OF THIS ITEM WAS REALLY JUST TO BRING THIS TO THE ATTENTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION BECAUSE OF THE, UM, SAFETY ISSUES THAT WERE GOING ON OUT THERE.
UM, UH, STAFF, INCLUDING LIEUTENANTS PRECO AND MYSELF WILL CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE OPERATOR.
AND SO, UH, WE WILL CONTINUE TO MONITOR THE SITUATION, UM, IT THINGS REGRESS AND WE SEE ADDITIONAL PROBLEMS WE'VE PROVIDED NOTICE TO THE OPERATOR THAT WE WOULD, UH, POTENTIALLY INITIATE, UM, REVOCATION OF THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IF, UM, CONDITIONS DEGRADE, UH, LIKE THEY WERE PREVIOUSLY, BUT IF WE STAY ON THE RIGHT PATH AND CONTINUE FORWARD, WE WILL JUST CONTINUE TO MONITOR.
AND THEN, UM, I CAN PROVIDE UPDATES TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THROUGH, UM, STAFF COMMUNICATIONS AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
[5. COMMISSIONER REPORTS/COMMENTS]
ANY COMMUNICATION FROM THE COMMISSIONERS OR REPORTS? I DO HAVE A COMMENT.I PLAY LOTS OF BOARD GAMES AND OFF THE SHELF GAMES, YOU GUYS ARE FAMILIAR WITH IT.
THEY MOVE FROM RIGHT OVER HERE.
I'M NOT QUITE SURE MY ORIENTATION TO BUY PARKWAY PLAZA.
AND I NOTICED THAT THEY HAD A SIGN IN THE WINDOW THAT SAID THEY HAD AN APPLICATION FOR PERMIT IN PROGRESS FOR ALCOHOL.
AND TWO WEEKS AGO I WENT IN, I GO IN A LOT TO BORROW GAMES.
AND ONE OF THE GUYS SAID, ARE YOU ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION? IT'S LIKE, YEAH, THEY'RE LIKE, IS THERE ANY WAY? AND THEY, THE OWNER TOLD ME THAT THEY WERE GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS AND FELT LIKE EVERY STEP OF THE WAY THERE WAS ANOTHER STEP, BUT THEY DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THAT STEP WAS UNTIL THEY TALKED TO SOMEBODY IN THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
AND SO I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE, AS A PLANNING DEPARTMENT ARE LETTING THE CONSUMERS KNOW THE APPLICANTS, KNOW WHAT THE NEXT STEP IS BECAUSE IT SOUNDED TO ME AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH OF IT WAS THEIR PERCEPTION AND HOW MUCH OF IT WAS REAL, BUT WHEN THEIR PERCEPTION IS THAT IF THEY DON'T ASK NOTHING HAPPENS, THAT REFLECTS POORLY ON US AS A CITY.
SO I JUST WANT TO BRING THAT TO YOUR, ALTHOUGH, WHEN I WENT IN, UH, LAST WEEK, THEY SAID, HEY, WE GOT IT ALL DONE.
AND I FORGET WHO THEY TALKED TO, BUT THEY WERE LIKE, AND THANK YOU SO MUCH.
AND I DIDN'T DO ANYTHING SO GOOD JOB GUYS.
BUT, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE LET APPLICANTS KNOW WHAT THE NEXT STEP IS THAT THEY'RE CLEAR ON, HEY, THIS NEXT STEP IS ON YOU.
AND THAT THEY'RE NOT HAVING TO WAIT AND WAIT AND WAIT, AND THEN CALL AND THEN FIND OUT, OH, YOU SHOULD HAVE DONE THIS.
IF I COULD JUST FILL IN A COUPLE OF GAPS THERE.
SO THEY HAD APPLIED FOR A PRIEST, THE MIDDLE MEETING
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MIDDLE OF LAST YEAR, ACTUALLY.AND AT THAT TIME, UH, THE ZONING CODE, UH, DID NOT PERMIT, UH, THE PROPOSED USE THE OUT ON SELL ALCOHOL SERVICE, UH, WITHIN SP 19 FOR THE PARKWAY PLAZA MALL.
SO, UM, WE COULD NOT PROCESS THEIR APPLICATION AT THAT TIME, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION AND THEN CITY COUNCIL, UH, APPROVED THE ZONING CODE CHANGES THAT INCLUDED S P 19 IN THAT LANGUAGE.
AND SO THEN WE WERE ABLE TO PROCESS THEIR APPLICATION AND YES, IT WAS JUST RECENTLY APPROVED TO THINK, UH, END OF END OF LAST WEEK, MAYBE.
I HATE TO BE RUDE, BUT I HAVE A PLANE LEAVING FOR DC IN AN HOUR, SO I DON'T NORMALLY WANT TO LEAVE, BUT I STILL NEED TO GET TO THE AIRPORT AND MAKE IT THROUGH.
I WILL GET A MOTION TO ADJOURN BASIN, MEGABYTES TO ADJOURN SO I CAN MAKE MY FLIGHT.
PLEASE MAY 17TH, 2022 AT 7:00 PM.
WHAT DO WE NEED TO MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE REPORT? NO.
MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER A PUBLIC ROUTE.
AND SECOND BY COMMISSIONER CIRCLE, PLEASE LOAD YOU BETTER.
OCEAN CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.