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WELCOME TO THE ALCOHOL AND CITY COUNCIL MEETING.

AND THE MEDIA IS CALLED

[ CALL TO ORDER: Mayor Bill Wells]

AN ORDER AND A LIGHT TO ASK OUR CITY CLERK TO PLEASE CALL THE ROLE COUNCIL MEMBER OR TEASES THIS ABSENT.

ALL OTHERS ARE PRESENT.

SHE PLEASE STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, REMAIN STANDING FOR A BRIEF MOMENT OF SILENCE.

I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

THANK YOU.

[ POSTINGS: The City Clerk posted Orders of Adjournment of the February 8, 2022, Meetings and the Agenda of the February 22, 2022, Meetings in accordance to State Law and Council/Authority/Successor Agency to the Redevelopment Agency Policy.]

THE CITY CLERK POSTED ORDERS OF A GERMAN OF THE FEBRUARY 8TH, 2022 MEETING AND THE AGENDA OF THE FEBRUARY 22ND, 2022 MEETING IN ACCORDANCE WITH STATE LAW COUNCIL AND HOUSING AUTHORITY POLICY.

WE HAVE NO PRESENTATIONS ON TODAY'S AGENDA

[ AGENDA CHANGES:]

COUNCIL.

DO YOU HAVE ANY AGENDA CHANGES STAFF, MR. MAYOR, WE'D RECOMMEND THAT WE MOVE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 10, WHICH IS THE LEGISLATIVE UPDATE TO THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING.

THANK YOU.

[7. CONSENT ITEMS: Consent Items are routine matters enacted by one motion according to the RECOMMENDATION listed below. With the concurrence of the City Council, a Council Member or person in attendance may request discussion of a Consent Item at this time.]

THAT BRINGS US TO CONSENT ITEMS, CONSENT ITEMS, AND ROUTINE MATTERS.

AND BY ONE MOTION, ACCORDING TO THE RECOMMENDATION LIST OF BLOW WITH THE CONCURRENCE OF THE CITY COUNCIL, A COUNCIL MEMBER OR PERSON IN THE TENANTS MAY REQUEST A DISCUSSION ON THE CONSENT ITEM AT THIS TIME.

COUNCIL MEMBERS DO WISH TO PULL IN ANY OF THE CONSENT ITEMS STAFF.

YES, SIR.

ANGELA, DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS FOR CONSENT? SORRY.

WE HAVE NOTE CARDS, MAKE A MOTION THEN TO APPROVE THE CONSENT ITEMS. MOVING SECOND TO PLEASE VOTE MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF THOSE PRECEDENT.

WE'RE NOW A PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS TIME.

ANY PERSON MAY ADDRESS A MATTER WITHIN THE JURISDICTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL HOUSING AUTHORITY SUCCESSOR AGENCY TO THE ALCOHOL REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY THAT HAS NOT ON THE AGENDA COMMENTS RELATING TO ITEMS ON TODAY'S AGENDA ALREADY BE TAKEN AT THE TIME.

THE ADAMANTS HEARD STATE LAW PROHIBITS DISCUSSION OR ACTION ON ITEMS, NOT ON THE AGENDA.

HOWEVER, CITY COUNCIL AND HOUSING AUTHORITY MEMBERS MAY BRIEFLY RESPOND TO STATEMENTS OR QUESTIONS AND AN ITEM MAY BE PLACED ON A FUTURE AGENDA.

ANGELA, DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS FOR CONSENT OR FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? WE HAVE NO CARD, SIR, THAT THEN BRINGS US TO WRITTEN COMMUNICATIONS AND THERE ARE NO WRITTEN COMMUNICATIONS AND NO PUBLIC HEARINGS ONTO THIS AGENDA.

[7. City Council Priority - Communications, Outreach, and Engagement Plan RECOMMENDATION: That the City Council receives the report and the Communications, Outreach, and Engagement Plan.]

WE HAVE SEVEN ADMINISTRATIVE REPORTS ON TODAY'S AGENDA ITEMS, SUMMARIES REGARDING CITY COUNCIL PRIORITIES.

I'LL ASK OUR CITY MANAGER TO PLEASE INTRODUCE THIS ITEM.

ACTUALLY, OUR ASSISTANT TO THE CITY MANAGER, DAVE RICHARDS WILL ACTUALLY GIVE THIS PRESENTATION.

HI, DAVE, HOW ARE YOU DOING, UH, TODAY I'LL PROVIDE AN UPDATE ON STAFF'S PROGRESS TOWARDS, UM, REFINING THE CITY'S COMMUNICATIONS OUTREACH AND ENGAGEMENT PLAN.

OOPS.

IN MARCH OF LAST YEAR, THE CITY HELD A WORKSHOP, UH, TO ESTABLISH CITY PRIORITIES FOR THE COMING YEAR.

ONE OF THE FIVE PRIORITIES WAS TO REFINE THE CITIES, UM, WAS REFINING THE CITY'S COMMUNICATION OUTREACH AND ENGAGEMENT STRATEGIES, ADDRESSING WHAT INFORMATION STAKEHOLDERS WANT TO RECEIVE AND HOW TO BEST COMMUNICATE THAT INFORMATION.

UH, LET ME SEE IF I CAN SHARE MY PRESENTATION, SORRY.

OKAY.

I'M GOING TO PUSH ON SOME OF THIS MATERIALS REPEAT MATERIAL FROM WHAT YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN PRESENTED WITH BEFORE, UM, TO ADDRESS THIS PRIORITY.

WE PUT TOGETHER A COMMITTEE OF EMPLOYEES WHO REGULARLY COMMUNICATE ON BEHALF OF THEIR DEPARTMENTS, UM, THROUGHOUT THE CITY.

THIS COMMITTEE ANALYZED CURRENT AND PAST COMMUNICATIONS AND OUTREACH TRENDS HOSTED SEVERAL COMMUNITY FOCUS GROUPS AND CONDUCTED ONLINE SURVEYS.

AND SEPTEMBER THESE RESULTS WERE PRESENTED TO THE CITY COUNCIL.

IN ADDITION TO COUNCIL FEEDBACK, OR WE GATHERED COUNCIL FEEDBACK.

AND IN ADDITION, UH, WE, WE INCORPORATED YOUR FEEDBACK INTO THE PLAN THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE PRESENTING TONIGHT TO UNDERSTAND, UH, TO UNDERSTAND HOW THE CITY IS TURNING IN COMMUNICATION EFFORTS, STAFF EVALUATED THE CITY'S OUTREACH METRICS BETWEEN 2018 AND 2020.

OKAY.

THE PRESENTATIONS BACK, UH, BETWEEN 2018 AND 2020, THE EVALUATION SHOWED THAT THE CITY'S

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OVERALL COMMUNICATION EFFORTS TRENDED UPWARDS OVER THE THREE-YEAR PERIOD.

THIS INCLUDES A 76% INCREASE IN SOCIAL MEDIA POSTS, UM, AND INCREASED FROM 2.4 TO 4.3 POSTS PER DAY.

UH, 27% INCREASE IN WEBSITE TRAFFIC 183% INCREASE IN NEWS RELEASES.

UM, AND THE ANALYSIS ALSO REVEALED THAT WE DID TAKE A DIP IN SOME PLACES SUCH AS VOLUNTEER PARTICIPATION IN PROGRAMS, UM, UH, DECREASE OF 67%, WHICH WE ANTICIPATE IS LARGELY DUE TO THE ONGOING PANDEMIC AFTER ANALYZING OUR CURRENT COMMUNICATION TRENDS.

UH, WE HOSTED SIX FOCUS GROUPS TO GATHER FEEDBACK FROM OUR COMMUNITY.

WE ASKED EACH FOCUS GROUP WHAT THEY WANTED TO HEAR FROM THE CITY AND HOW THEY'D LIKE TO HEAR THAT.

AND THEN, UM, WHAT TYPE OF ENGAGEMENT EVENTS THEY WOULD LIKE, UH, THE CITY TO PROVIDE, UM, THE FOCUS GROUPS INCLUDED ARABIC KELVION FARSI AND SPANISH SPEAKING COMMUNITIES AS WELL, SENIORS, BUSINESSES AND SCHOOLS.

UM, I INCLUDED THIS PHOTO.

THIS IS, WE ACTUALLY WERE INVITED TO GO DOWN TO THE COUNTY AND, UH, RADIO STATIONS, UH, BROADCASTING STUDIO, UM, AS PART OF OUR CONVERSATION AND DIALOGUE DURING THESE COMMUNITY FOCUS GROUPS.

UM, SO IT WAS KIND OF A COOL OPPORTUNITY AND JUST KIND OF A UNIQUE PHOTO, I SUPPOSE, IN ADDITION TO FOCUS GROUPS, THE CITY HOSTED AN ONLINE SURVEY TO GATHER ADDITIONAL COMMUNITY FEEDBACK ABOUT WHAT AND HOW THE COMMUNITY WANTED TO HEAR FROM THE CITY.

OVERALL, WE HAD 111 RESPONSES.

AND IN SEPTEMBER, AS MENTIONED EARLIER, UM, WHERE YOU PRESENTED THESE FINDINGS TO THE CITY COUNCIL GATHERED SOME ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK FROM YOU GUYS, AND THEN INCORPORATED THAT INTO THE PLAN.

I'M GOING TO BE OVERVIEWING TONIGHT.

THE COMMUNICATIONS AND OUTREACH OUTREACH PLAN IS STRUCTURED KIND OF LIKE A STRATEGIC PLAN AND THAT IT'S GOING TO SERVE AS A ROADMAP TO ACHIEVE THE CITY COUNCIL'S GOALS.

THE PLAN INCLUDES TWO GOALS.

UM, FIRST ESTABLISHED BY THE CITY COUNCIL ON MARCH.

UM, THE GOALS ARE SUPPORTED BY SEVEN OBJECTIVES OR THINGS THAT WE WANT TO ACHIEVE.

AND THEN THESE OBJECTIVES ARE IN TURN SUPPORTED BY 18 DIFFERENT STRATEGIES OR SPECIFIC TASKS TO ACHIEVE ACHIEVE THESE OBJECTIVES.

THE TWO GOALS ARE TO, UM, REFINE THE CITY'S COMMUNICATION OUTREACH AND ENGAGEMENT AND ENGAGEMENT PLAN, AND THEN TO LEVERAGE TECHNOLOGY AND SOCIAL MEDIA TO PROMOTE THE CITY, ITS EVENTS IN COMMUNITIES, BY RELYING ON EXPERIENTIAL MARKETING THOUGH IN TOTAL THERE'S, UH, SIX OBJECTIVES AND INCLUDED IN THIS PLAN TO HELP REFINE THE CITY'S OUTREACH EFFORTS.

THE FIRST OBJECTIVE IS TO INCREASE COMMUNICATION ABOUT DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS.

UM, SO TO DO THIS, WE'RE PLANNING TO, OR ONE OF OUR STRATEGIES IS TO, UM, POST MONTHLY ON SOCIAL MEDIA, ABOUT CITY AND PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS.

THIS TASK IS ALL ALREADY UNDERWAY.

YOU CAN SEE HERE'S AN IMAGE THAT WE POSTED ON SOCIAL MEDIA JUST RECENTLY ABOUT UPCOMING DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS THAT ARE UNDERWAY.

A SECOND STRATEGY WOULD BE TO UTILIZE SIGNAGE AT CITY CONSTRUCTION SITES THAT ILLUSTRATE HOW TAX DOLLARS ARE PUT TO USE IN OUR COMMUNITY.

OUR SECOND STRATEGY IS TO INCREASE OR OBJECTIVE AS TO INCREASE, UM, COMMUNICATION WITH THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY.

WE PLAN TO ACHIEVE THIS BY SENDING A MONTHLY NEWSLETTER ARTICLES SAID THE CHAMBER ATTENDING THE CHAMBER GOVERNMENT AFFAIRS COMMITTEE MEETINGS AND ATTEND THE QUARTERLY DOWNTOWN BUSINESS PARTNER MEETINGS.

THE THIRD OBJECTIVE IS TO INCREASE USE OF THE CITY'S APP, UM, TO DO THIS, WE'RE GOING TO DEVELOP AND IMPLEMENT A MARKETING PLAN, WHICH INCLUDES VIDEOS, BANNERS, POSTERS, SOCIAL MEDIA, AND BOOSTS AT CITY EVENTS.

AND OUR FOURTH OBJECTIVE IS AN INCREASE, THE AMOUNT OF INTERPRETED MATERIALS THAT THE CITY OFFERS.

UM, THIS OBJECTIVE OF COURSE REQUIRES FUNDING.

SO, UH, WE'RE SET TO KICK IT OFF AFTER THIS NEXT BUDGET YEAR IS PASSED.

AND, UM, HERE'S AN EXAMPLE ON THE SCREEN OF A FLYER THAT WE'VE INTERPRETED INTO FOUR DIFFERENT LANGUAGES.

SO THERE MAY BE TIMES WHEN IT'S BENEFICIAL FOR THE CITY TO INTERPRET ADDITIONAL MATERIALS.

YEP.

SO WE'RE HERE.

SO OUR FIFTH OBJECTIVE IS TO CREATE AN ONLINE OR AN E NEWSLETTER.

UH, THIS ITEM ALSO REQUIRES ADDITIONAL FUNDING AND STAFF FOCUS.

UM, SO WE'RE TARGETING THIS TO BEGIN IN SEPTEMBER OF 2022, THE SIXTH OBJECTIVE IS MORE OF A CATCH ALL FOR OUR OUTREACH METHODS.

UM, IT INCLUDES SHARING THE SHERIFF'S HELICOPTER

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ANNOUNCEMENTS ON OUR SOCIAL MEDIA, UM, USING NEXT DOOR, UM, DEVELOPING A POP-UP CITY HALL MODEL THAT WE CAN USE OUT EVENTS.

AND A LOT OF THESE IMPLEMENT ARE ALREADY BEING IMPLEMENTED AS WE SPEAK OR HAVE ALREADY BEEN IMPLEMENTED THE SEVENTH AND FINAL OBJECTIVE SUPPORTS THE CITY COUNCIL'S GOAL TO LEVERAGE TECHNOLOGY, TO PROMOTE THE CITY.

UM, THIS OBJECTIVE IS TO CREATE CONTENT FOR SOCIAL MEDIA THAT HIGHLIGHTS INTERESTS PIECES IN CITY PROJECTS.

UH, WE'VE ALREADY BEGUN THIS CREATING SOME VIDEOS, FOR INSTANCE, THE, UM, THE MOTHER GOOSE PARADE SUBMISSION THAT WE SUBMITTED THIS YEAR, UM, A VIDEO RECOUNTING, A SWIFT WATER RESCUE AND A VIDEO TO INTRODUCE JACKS, ONE OF OUR STATION DOGS, UH, TO OUR COMMUNITY.

AS YOU CAN SEE IN THIS PICTURE, THIS IS A SCREENSHOT FROM THE MOTHER GOOSE PARADE, UM, WHERE WE KIND OF HAD A FUN LITTLE STORY OF MOTHER GOOSE'S GOLDEN AGE, GETTING AWAY AS WE'RE KIND OF PROMOTING AND TALKING ABOUT CITY SERVICES.

AND OF COURSE, CREATING VIDEO CONTENT IS, UH, FAIRLY STAFF INTENSIVE AND IT DOES REQUIRE SOME EQUIPMENT.

SO WE'RE GOING TO BE MAKING SOME BUDGET ADJUSTMENTS GOING FORWARD NEXT YEARS AND NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET.

AND WITH THAT, THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION OF OUR COMMUNICATIONS OUTREACH AND ENGAGEMENT PLAN.

UM, AT THIS POINT, IF THE CITY COUNCIL HAS ANY QUESTIONS OR FEEDBACK, I'D BE HAPPY TO TAKE THAT.

THANKS TAPE.

NICE PRESENTATION.

THANK YOU, MICHELLE.

THANKS DAVE, FOR THE PRESENTATION, UM, QUESTION, WHEN YOU PUT OUT THE SURVEY AND YOU HAD 111 RESPONSES ONLY, HOW DID THAT SURVEY GET, UM, DISTRIBUTED? IT WAS PROMOTED ON OUR SOCIAL MEDIA ACCOUNTS AND ON OUR WEBSITE AND TO OUR YOU NOTIFICATION.

SO IT'S PRIMARILY TO PEOPLE THAT ARE ALREADY FAMILIAR WITH THE CITY.

SO 111 RESPONSES OUT OF 105,000 PEOPLE.

YES, IT IS NOT A HUGE NUMBER AND THAT REGARDS, BUT IT IS ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK ON TOP OF FOCUS GROUP FEEDBACK THAT WE'RE RECEIVING.

SO ANOTHER METHOD, OKAY.

SO WE NEED TO WORK ON THAT A LITTLE BIT AND GET BETTER RESPONSES.

THANK YOU.

YOU KNOW, THE OLD SCHOOL OF GOVERNMENT WAS JUST, JUST DO YOUR JOB AND I DON'T NEED TO KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING, KIND OF THING THAT WAS WE EXPECTED TO DO WELL.

SO JUST GO DO YOUR JOB, UH, THIS NEW ERA.

IT'S NOT QUITE THAT WAY.

YOU ALMOST HAVE TO MARKET YOURSELF.

I THINK THE PUBLIC EXPECTS ACCOUNTABILITY, TRANSPARENCY, INTEGRITY, AND I REALLY, UH, COMMEND STAFF FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROGRAM BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY ELEMENTS HERE WHICH TOUCH ON SO MANY DIFFERENT PARTS OF WHAT I THINK THE PUBLIC IS INTERESTED IN.

YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE APP, I THINK HAD 13,000, UM, SUBMISSIONS IN A ONE YEAR PERIOD OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

THAT'S REALLY GOOD FOR AN APP.

THAT'S JUST A COUPLE OF YEARS OLD, UH, THE OUTREACH TO BUSINESSES FOR THE GRANTS EXCEPTIONAL.

I MEAN, IT WAS FOLLOWUP AFTER FOLLOW-UP, AFTER FOLLOW-UP ALMOST BEGGING THEM TO APPLY FOR A GRANT.

SO, UH, YOU KNOW, GREAT EFFORT THERE, THE MARKETING MATERIALS AND NEWSLETTER THE NEXT STORE, THESE ARE ALL DIFFERENT CHANNELS IN THE SAME WAY THAT THERE'S NOT JUST THREE CHANNELS ON TV ANYMORE.

THERE'S A BUNCH, WE HAVE TO REACH PEOPLE THROUGH MANY CHANNELS.

SO GREAT WORK TO RECOGNIZE THAT AND TO DO ALL THIS THINGS.

I, AS PART OF THIS EFFORT OF REACHING OUT, I'D LIKE TO S I THINK THE COUNCIL WOULD APPRECIATE, AND THE PUBLIC WOULD REPORT ON DOLLAR DAYS.

I DON'T KNOW THAT WE EVER GOT A FINAL REPORT ON DOLLAR DAYS.

WE HEARD SOME STORIES ALONG THE WAY, KIDS, YOU KNOW, TAKING POOL LESSONS.

WELL, HOW MANY KIDS AND WHAT WAS THE YEAR OVER YEAR INCREASE IN PARTICIPANTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BECAUSE MAYBE WE WANT TO DO IT AGAIN.

IF WE HAVE LEFTOVER FUNDS, THAT'S AN ASIDE TO THIS, BUT THIS REALLY FROM A PUBLIC POINT OF VIEW IS VERY COMPREHENSIVE AND VERY WELL DONE.

THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT.

THANKS DAVE.

APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH.

ANDREW, DID WE RECEIVE ANY, UH, SPEAK CARDS FOR THIS ITEM WE HAVE IN THOSE SPEAKERS ON THIS, SIR? OKAY.

SO, UM, I GUESS ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS MAKE A MOTION TO RECEIVE THE REPORT.

SECOND, PLEASE VOTE MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF THOSE PRESENT.

[8. Safe Parking Program Analysis RECOMMENDATION: That the City Council receives the report and provides direction to staff. ]

I HAD A MADE IS THE SAFE PARP PARKING PROGRAM ANALYSIS.

AND I'LL ASK OUR CITY MANAGER GRAHAM MITCHELL TO TELL US ABOUT THIS.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL EARLIER THIS YEAR, ACTUALLY TWO COUNCIL MEETINGS TO GO TO THE COUNCIL

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DIRECTED STAFF, TO PREPARE AN ANALYSIS ABOUT SAFE PARKING PROGRAMS IN GENERAL.

UM, AND SO WE'VE DONE THAT AND, AND WE'RE HERE TO PRESENT THAT ITEM TO YOU TODAY.

UH, THE STAFF REPORT INCLUDES THE FULL ANALYSIS, WHICH IDENTIFIES OR DESCRIBES THE TYPES OF PROGRAMS THAT EXIST IN THE COUNTY CURRENTLY IN THE TWO PROVIDERS THAT ARE PROVIDING THOSE PROGRAMS. UH, IT PROVIDES SORT OF A, I GUESS, SHARE STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE ON THE DEMAND FOR SUCH SERVICES IN THE CITY.

IT ALSO TALKS ABOUT AND IDENTIFIES VARIOUS LEVELS THAT THE CITY COULD OR MAY CHOOSE TO BE INVOLVED WITH IDENTIFY SOME LOCATIONAL ISSUES.

AND THEN FINALLY IDENTIFIES FIVE DIFFERENT CONSIDERATIONS FOR THE COUNCIL TO DISCUSS AS PART OF THIS AGENDA ITEM.

UM, I'M JUST GOING TO BRIEFLY HIGHLIGHT SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE MAIN POINTS FROM THE ANALYSIS AS PART OF OUR UNDERSTANDING OF, OF WHAT THESE PROGRAMS LOOK LIKE.

WE TALKED TO TWO ORGANIZATIONS, THE FIRST ORGANIZATION, WE TALKED TO HIS DREAMS FOR CHANGE THEY'RE THEY'RE HERE TODAY.

THEY'VE BEEN, UM, IN OUR COUNCIL CHAMBERS IN THE PAST, THEY RUN CURRENTLY TWO PROGRAMS IN THE COUNTY OF SAN DIEGO.

THEY RUN THIS PROGRAM RIGHT OFF, UH, 28TH STREET AND HIGHWAY 94 IN SAN DIEGO.

THEY ALSO RUN A PROGRAM OFF OF IMPERIAL, NEAR 55TH IN SAN DIEGO.

BOTH OF THESE PROGRAMS, UH, ACCOMMODATE BETWEEN 30 AND 35 VEHICLES.

ONE OF THE SITES CAN HOST UP TO FIVE RVS THERE, THEY, THEY PROVIDE, UH, AMENITIES SUCH AS RESTROOMS AND SHOWER FACILITIES.

UH, THERE'S SOME MINIMAL COOKING AND EATING AREAS, BUT WHAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT IS THEY OFFER THIS WRAPAROUND SERVICE TO HELP GET FOLKS FROM LIVING IN A CAR IN THE SAFE PARKING PROGRAM, INTO HOUSING, UH, IN TALKING WITH THEM, THEY SAY BETWEEN 60 AND 65% OF THE PARTICIPANTS MAKE IT INTO HOUSING.

NOW THAT ISN'T NECESSARILY PERMANENT HOUSING.

THAT'S A RANGE BETWEEN EMERGENCY SHELTER, HOUSING, AND PERMANENT HOUSING, BUT BETWEEN 60 AND 65% MAKING THE HOUSING, THE STAFF REPORT DIVES INTO SOME OTHER DATA THAT THEY PROVIDED, WHICH WE THOUGHT WAS REALLY USEFUL TO UNDERSTAND.

UM, WE ALSO SPOKE TO JEWISH FAMILY SERVICE OF SAN DIEGO.

THEY CURRENTLY OPERATE, UM, FOUR DIFFERENT SITES.

THREE OF THEM ARE IN THE CITY OF SAN DIEGO.

ONE OF THEM IS AT THEIR HEADQUARTERS ON BALBOA.

UM, THEN THEY, THEY OPERATE TWO ON CITY OF SAN DIEGO PROPERTY, ONE AT AERO DRIVE AND I 15, UM, AND THE OTHER IS RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE NEW AZTEC STADIUM OFF OF FRIARS.

UM, AGAIN, CLOSE TO THE 15.

SO THESE ARE TWO CITY OF SANDY, UH, SAN DIEGO SITES.

THEY ALSO OPERATE A SITE IN THE CITY OF ENCINITAS.

IT'S A CITY OF ENCINITAS SPONSORED PROGRAM THAT IS AT THEIR SENIOR COMMUNITY CENTER.

IT'S BEEN THERE ABOUT A MONTH.

IT WAS AT ANOTHER FACILITY, UH, PRIOR TO THAT, UM, JEWISH FAMILY SERVICE OFFERS A LOT OF THE SAME AMENITIES THAT, UH, DREAMS FOR CHANGE OFFERS.

THEY'RE, UM, THEY, THEY DO HAVE, UH, SOME HOT MEALS THAT THEY BRING IN FROM OTHER CHARITABLE ORGANIZATIONS THAT BRING IN SOME FOOD.

UH, BUT THEY ALSO OFFER A LOT OF THOSE SAME SERVICES.

THEY TEND, IT LOOKS LIKE AND TALKING TO THEM, THEY MAY SERVE A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENT CLIENTELE.

I KNOW THE FOLKS THAT ARE AT THE INSTANT NITA SITE ARE A LITTLE BIT OLDER.

THERE TENDS TO BE MORE FAMILIES THAT THE DREAMS ARE CHANGED FACILITY, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, THEY, THEY OFFER A VERY SIMILAR SERVICE, WHICH IS PRETTY IMPRESSIVE CONSIDERING WHAT THEY HAVE TO WORK WITH.

UM, ALL THE PROGRAMS OPERATE WITH STATE FUNDING, UM, HAP MONEY OR STATE HOMELESS HOUSING ASSISTANCE PREVENTION FUNDS.

THEY COME FROM DIFFERENT SOURCES.

SOME OF THEM COME FROM THE REGIONAL TASK FORCE ON HOMELESS.

SOME OF THEM COME FROM THE SAN DIEGO HOUSING COMMISSION DREAMS FOR CHANGE HAS BEEN ABLE TO SECURE SOME CDBG DOLLARS.

THIS CURRENT YEAR, THAT'S HELPING WITH ONE OF THE SITES.

UM, THAT'S PROBABLY NOT A LONG-TERM, UH, REVENUE STREAM OR, OR, OR FUNDING STREAM, BUT USING THE HAP MONEY IS, IS HOW THEY'VE BEEN FUNDED FOR THE MOST PART IN, IN THE, OUR DISCUSSIONS WITH BOTH THESE ORGANIZATIONS AND WITH THE CITY OF , WE LEARNED THAT SECURITY AND RESTROOMS TEND TO BE THE BIGGEST COST ITEMS THAT THEY EXPERIENCE.

UM, WE ALSO, UM, TRY TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE DEMAND IS THERE DEMAND.

IS THERE A NEED FOR THIS SERVICE AND THE CITY OF ALCOHOL? AND IF YOU LOOK AT ALL THE THINGS THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY DOING, IS THERE A GAP IN ANYTHING, WHETHER IT BE SAFE, PARKING OR ANYTHING ELSE, IS THERE SOMETHING WE'RE JUST MISSING THAT THAT WOULD HELP FOLKS IN THE CONTINUUM TO GET FROM WHERE THEY ARE NOW INTO PERMANENT HOUSING, WHICH IS OUR ULTIMATE GOAL.

UM, AND WE TALKED TO OUR HOMELESS SERVICE PROVIDERS AND WE DID NOT GET THE SENSE FROM THEM THAT THIS IS SOMETHING

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THAT THERE'S A MASSIVE NEED FOR IN OUR COMMUNITY.

UH, WE ALSO TALKED TO OUR CITY'S HOMELESS OUTREACH TEAM, UH, OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT, AND SOME OF OUR OTHER STAFF.

AND THEY'RE NOT SEEING A LOT OF FOLKS LIVING IN CARS THAT THEY THINK WOULD BENEFIT FROM THIS PROGRAM.

I THINK OUR ULTIMATE GOAL IS TO GET PEOPLE IN A SHELTER.

WE HAVE SHELTER SPACE IN THE CITY OF ELKO HOME, UM, OR PERMANENT HOUSING.

AND SO IF THAT'S OUR EFFORT, UH, I THINK THAT'S THE PEOPLE THAT WE SPOKE TO THAT'S WHERE THEY THINK OUR EFFORTS SHOULD CONTINUE TO BE, IS GETTING PEOPLE INTO HOUSING IN THE LONG RUN.

UM, THERE'S THE ANALYSIS ALSO IDENTIFIED SORT OF THIS CONTINUUM OF DIFFERENT LEVELS OF PARTICIPATION OR INVOLVEMENT THAT THE CITY COULD COULD BE INVOLVED WITH FROM, FROM ACTUALLY RUNNING A CITY SPONSORED PROGRAM ON CITY PROPERTY, ALL THE WAY TO ABSOLUTELY NO INVOLVEMENT.

SO THAT'S SOMETHING TO CONSIDER THERE'S THERE'S VARYING OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE COUNCIL TO BE INVOLVED WITH SOME PARTIAL ASSISTANCE OF FUNDING OR HELPING TO SECURE FUNDING FROM THE REGIONAL TASK FORCE ON HOMELESSNESS, UH, TO WORKING WITH DIFFERENT PROPERTY OWNERS, TO AGAIN, OFFERING OUR OWN PROPERTY AS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR A SITE.

UM, STAFF ALSO THOUGHT THROUGH THE, THE CONCEPT OF LOCATIONS AND ARE THERE, ARE THERE BETTER LOCATIONS THAN OTHERS? WHAT ARE THE, SOME OF THE ZONING CONSIDERATIONS TO CONSIDER? WE DID LOOK AT, UM, IDENTIFIED THAT ANY SAFE PARKING FACILITY, ANYWHERE IN THE CITY OF OKLAHOMA WOULD REQUIRE A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.

UM, SO REGARDLESS OF WHETHER IT BE INDUSTRIAL PROPERTY OR, OR RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY, A CP WOULD BE REQUIRED.

INTERESTINGLY, WE, IN OUR, IN OUR RESEARCH, WE DISCOVERED THAT THE COUNTY OF SAN DIEGO ACTUALLY PROHIBITS THESE COMPLETELY IN ANY, UM, PART OF THE COUNTY EXCEPT FOR INDUSTRIALLY ZONED LAND OR UNLESS IT'S ON COUNTY PROPERTY.

SO WE ACTUALLY HAVE SOME, A LOWER BARRIER TO HAVE THESE IN OUR COMMUNITY THAN THE COUNTY OF SAN DIEGO CURRENTLY HAS RIGHT NOW.

UM, WE WOULD, ONE OF THE REASONS WHY W UH, THE ZONING CODE REQUIRES A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IS WE'D WANT TO LOOK AT WHAT KIND OF IMPACTS THERE WOULD BE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

HOW DO WE MITIGATE THOSE IMPACTS, LET NEIGHBORHOODS WEIGH IN ON SOME OF THOSE IMPACTS AND HAVE THEM BE PART OF THE PROCESS AS WELL.

AND, AND WE LOOKED THROUGH SOME WAYS IN WHICH EMERGENCY SHELTER REGULATIONS WOULD MAYBE BYPASS OUR LOCAL ZONING CODE, AND WE COULD NOT FIND ANY THAT WOULD, THAT WE'RE ALLOWED TO RELY ON.

UM, WE ALSO LOOKED AT WHAT ARE SOME OTHER PROPERTIES THAT WOULD POTENTIALLY WORK IN THE CITY OF ALCOHOL AND, AND WITHOUT GETTING INTO SPECIFIC PROPERTY BY PROPERTY.

AND WE DIDN'T ANALYZE SPECIFIC PROPERTIES.

WE DID LOOK AT, UM, A POLICY THAT THE COUNCIL HAD ADOPTED SEVERAL OVER A YEAR AGO NOW, IN WHICH YOU ALLOWED THE TEMPORARY ZONING OF, UH, EMERGENCY SHELTERS OR TINY CABINS OR, OR TINY EMERGENCY CABINS ON CERTAIN PROPERTIES.

AND AS YOU RECALL, I'LL PULL THIS MAP UP.

YOU IDENTIFIED ABOUT 10 DIFFERENT PROPERTIES THROUGHOUT THE CITY THAT MET CERTAIN CRITERIA.

THEY WERE, THEY WERE LARGE, THEY HAD SOME AMENITIES, UH, THEY HAD SOME, SOME, UH, BUFFERS BETWEEN THEM AND RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS.

SO ONE OF OUR THOUGHTS WOULD BE IF THE COUNCIL WANTED TO HAVE THESE W FROM A ZONING PERSPECTIVE, ONE EASY WAY TO DO IS YOU WOULD JUST AMEND THAT CURRENT EMERGENCY ZONING AND ALLOW SAFE PARKING ON THOSE AS WELL AS EMERGENCY CABINS.

UH, ECE TLC NOTE ALSO IS CURRENTLY ZONED TO ALLOW FOR SAFE PARKING TODAY.

THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED UNDER THEIR CURRENT CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.

UM, AT ONE POINT THERE WAS ABOUT 30 SPACES TO ACCOMMODATE ONE OF THESE.

THAT'S NOW 10 SPACES SINCE THE NEW, THE TWO NEW DORMITORIES HAVE BEEN BUILT.

SO IT'S NOT A LOT OF SPACE.

THE OTHER THING THAT WE'VE NOTICED AND WE'VE SEEN SOME LITERATURE ABOUT RECENTLY IS THE NUMBER OF COMMUNITY COLLEGES THAT ARE CURRENTLY OPERATING SAFE PARKING PROGRAMS. WE KNOW LONG BEACH KIND OF PILOTED THIS PROGRAM.

AND, UM, FROM A ZONING PERSPECTIVE, WE THINK THAT IF THE PROGRAM, UH, PRIMARILY SERVES THE COMMUNITY COLLEGE DISTRICT STUDENTS, OR THE CLIENTELE PROBABLY WOULD BE EXEMPT FROM HAVING TO GO THROUGH A CONDITIONAL USE PROGRAM.

BUT IF, IF IT WERE JUST OPEN TO THE COMMUNITY, WE THINK THAT THAT WOULD PROBABLY TRIGGER A CUP OR SOME SORT OF REGULATORY AUTHORITY ON THE CITY'S PART.

SO WITH THAT ANALYSIS, I THINK WE'RE AT A POINT WHERE WE WOULD RECOMMEND TO THIS COUNCIL FIVE DIFFERENT CONSIDERATIONS.

I'M SURE THERE'S A DOZEN OTHERS, BUT ONE WOULD BE TO DO NOTHING.

AND AS, AS PROJECTS ARE SUBMITTED, UH, WE'LL GO THROUGH THE PROCESS AND, AND CONSIDER THEM ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS.

UM, THE CITY COUNCIL COULD ISSUE AN RFP, A REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL, LOOKING FOR A SPECIFIC SITE IN A SPECIFIC PROVIDER.

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UH, THE CITY COULD ALSO IDENTIFY PROPERTY IN THE CITY THAT YOU WANTED TO HOLD A SHELTER ON, AND THEN ISSUE AN RFP TO FIND A PROVIDER.

YOU COULD AMEND THE CURRENT EMERGENCY OR TEMPORARY ZONING PILOT PROGRAM TO ALLOW SAFE PARKING.

AND LASTLY IS WE HAVE THIS POT OF CDBG CV MONEY THAT WILL GO AWAY.

UM, ONE OPTION IS TO UTILIZE THAT TO ANY OF OUR JURORS, NEIGHBORING JURISDICTIONS THAT MAY WANT TO RUN A PROGRAM, AND WE CAN USE THOSE FUNDS OUTSIDE OF THE CITY, IF THEY MEET CERTAIN CONDITIONS TO HELP THEM GET A PROGRAM STARTED.

SO THERE'S SORT OF FIVE THOUGHTS THAT THE COUNCIL MAY WANT TO DISCUSS AS PART OF ITS, UM, UH, DELIBERATION.

SO WITH THAT STAFF IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.

THANK YOU, GRANT.

THANK YOU.

I'M NICE TO REPORT ANY QUESTIONS FOR GRAHAM.

UM, YOU MENTIONED, UM, THAT, THAT THE COUNTY WOULD ONLY ALLOW THESE PROGRAMS ON AN INDUSTRIAL ZONE AREAS.

IS THAT WHAT YOU SAID? SO W WHEN YOU HAVE A ZONING TABLE, FOR EXAMPLE, THERE'S, THERE'S ALLOWED, USES, THERE'S USES THAT REQUIRE A MINOR USE PERMIT OR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, AND THEN THERE'S JUST FLAT OUT PROHIBITED USES.

THIS IS A PROHIBITED USE.

YOU CAN NOT HAVE A SAFE PARKING PROGRAM, UM, IN THE, ON COUNTY PROPERTY, IN IT'S IN A INDUSTRIAL ZONE OR ON COUNTY PROPERTY OR COUNTY CONTROLLED PROPERTY.

SO WOULD THIS BE A UNIQUE PROGRAM THOUGH, IN REGARD TO THE AREA IN WHICH IT'S IN? WHAT WOULD IT, WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THAT? WELL, THIS IS, UH, MY MEMORY SERVES, THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE AN INDUSTRIAL AREA.

WELL, I THINK, I MEAN, WE'RE NOT LOOKING A COUPLE MEETINGS AGO.

THERE WAS A PROPERTY OWNER THAT SUGGESTED SAFE PARKING ON THEIR SITE, AND THAT'S, THAT'S NOT IN AN INDUSTRIAL, THIS THAT'S IN A RESIDENTIALLY ZONED AREA, SO, BUT ARE WE OBLIGATED TO ONLY DO IT IN INDUSTRIAL ZONES? OR CAN WE, I CAN DO IT PER THE ZONING CODE ON ANY PROPERTY, AS LONG AS THEY OBTAIN A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.

THANKS, GREG.

AND MORE QUESTIONS.

OKAY, THEN, UM, ANGELA, DO YOU HAVE ANY SPIRIT CARDS FOR THIS ITEM? WE HAVE FOUR.

THE FIRST ONE IS SCOTT TO LUCK.

I'M SCOTT TELUK.

I REPRESENT, UM, THE GOOD SHEPHERD MINISTRY CENTER, WHICH IS LOCATED ON SOUTH JOHNSON.

WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH DRAINS FOR CHANGE, TO DEVELOP A PROGRAM, TO PROVIDE SAFE PARKING FOR 16 FAMILIES.

THIS PROGRAM WOULD PROVIDE TWO OF THE THREE GOALS THAT ARE LISTED IN THE STAFF REPORT FOR VENTURING AND HOUSING COORDINATORS, DREAMS FOR CHANGE WOULD PROVIDE THE CASE MANAGEMENT AND WE WOULD PROVIDE THE PARKING AREA, BATHROOM SHOWERS, AND OTHER SERVICES.

THIS PROGRAM WOULD TARGET WHAT I THINK OF AS A UNIQUE, UM, PORTION OF HOMELESS FAMILIES.

AND THAT'S THOSE THAT ARE LIVING IN CARS.

OUR PARENT CHURCH HAS BEEN WORKING TO HELP THOSE FOLKS THROUGH THE INTERFACE SHELTER NETWORK FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS IN OUR EXPERIENCE, THESE FOLKS ARE NOT THE STEREOTYPICAL HOMELESS, WHO IN MANY CASES ARE STRUGGLING WITH MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES OR SUBSTANCE ABUSE.

RATHER, TYPICALLY, IN OUR EXPERIENCE, THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE STRUGGLING WITH FINANCIAL ISSUES, LIKE A RECENT JOB LOSS OR A MEDICAL EMERGENCY.

IN OUR EXPERIENCE, THERE APPEARS TO BE A DEFINITE NEED TO HELP THOSE LIVING IN THEIR CARS AND ALCOHOL.

AND THE STAFF REPORT IT'S LISTED THAT THE DISTRICT SCHOOLS REPORT THEIR 29 FAMILIES THAT THEY'RE AWARE OF THAT ARE LIVING IN THEIR CARS.

HOMESTART ALSO WAS REPORTED IN THE STAFF REPORT AS INDICATING THAT APPROXIMATELY 15% OF THEIR CLIENTS ARE LIVING IN THEIR CARS.

WE ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT ALCOHOL AND TRANSITIONAL LIVING CENTER HAS A WAITING LIST OF APPROXIMATELY 100 WITH APPROXIMATELY 20% OF THOSE FOLKS LIVING IN THEIR CARS, OUR OWN STAFF VOLUNTEERS AT THE SALVATION ARMY SITE.

AND THEN DURING THOSE TIMES OF VOLUNTEERING EACH WEEK AND COUNTER ABOUT 10 PEOPLE LIVING IN THEIR CARS, WE BELIEVE OUR PROGRAM WAS JAY DREAMS FOR CHANGE OFFERS A VERY COST EFFECTIVE SOLUTION, WHICH FOR 16 FAMILIES WOULD BE ABOUT $16 PER NIGHT PER FAMILY TO REMAIN OUR PROGRAM THAT PARTICIPANTS WOULD NEED TO ABIDE BY VERY STRICT RULES WITH REGARD TO THEIR BEHAVIOR.

AND THEY WOULD ALSO HAVE TO PARTICIPATE ACTIVELY WITH CASE MANAGERS WITH REGARD TO SEEKING HOUSING.

LASTLY, THINK HOW GREAT IT WOULD BE IF WE COULD GET 16 OF THE 29 FAMILIES IDENTIFIED BY OUR SCHOOL DISTRICTS, A SAFE PLACE TO PARK OVERNIGHT WITH BATHROOMS, SHOWERS, WHILE WORKING WITH CASE MANAGERS TO FIND HOUSING.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

OH, I'M SORRY, SIR.

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GARY HAS A QUESTION FOR, OH, SIR.

UH, WHAT SCHOOL DISTRICTS, UH, IS THIS, ARE THESE, UH, DIFFERENT STAFF REPORT? I DON'T KNOW MS. MR. KENDRICK, THAT NUMBER'S IN THE STAFF REPORT.

THAT WAS A NUMBER THAT WAS REPORTED TO US.

UM, A COUPLE COUNCIL MEETINGS GO, WE'VE NOT BEEN ABLE TO VERIFY THAT NUMBER.

AND IN FACT, WHEN WE CALLED THEM, THEY SAID, THAT'S A NUMBER THAT FLUCTUATES FROM ALMOST FROM DAY TO DAY.

UH, W WHAT WE DID IS WE REACHED OUT TO EVERYBODY THAT WAS ON THAT LIST THROUGH HOMESTART TO HELP AS MANY AS WE COULD.

SO I DON'T KNOW HOW ACCURATE THAT NUMBER OF 29 ACTUALLY IS.

AND WAS THAT COME FROM CAHONE VALLEY OR GROSS GROSSMONT HIGH SCHOOL OR BOTH A COMBINATION? THAT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING.

OKAY.

AND WAS THAT JUST THE CITY OF SAN, UH, ALKA HONE OR OUTLYING AREA WOULD HAVE BEEN JUST ALCOHOL? OKAY.

THANK YOU.

NEXT SPEAKER IS THERESA SMITH.

HELLO, WELCOME.

GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL MEMBERS, UM, AND COUNCIL STAFF, CITY STAFF.

UM, AS MOST OF YOU MAY KNOW, MY NAME IS THERESA SMITH AND I'M THE CEO OF DRAINS FOR CHANGE.

FIRST.

I WANTED TO TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO THANK THIS COUNCIL AND THE CITY STAFF FOR TAKING THE TIME AND RESOURCES TO EXPLORE THE POSSIBILITY OF HAVING SAFE PARKING HERE.

AND I'LL GO HOME.

I JUST WANTED TO TAKE THIS TIME THOUGH, TO REALLY SHOW YOU WHY SAFE PARKING IS IMPORTANT TO ME, AN EMAIL I RECEIVED ON FEBRUARY 16TH, 2022, THE SUBJECT LINE SPP.

HELLO, THE INFORMATION THAT POPS UP ON THIS MAP AND ADDRESS TO THE SAFE PARKING LOCATIONS, BUT THERE'S NO OTHER INFORMATION BELOW.

SO JUST GET IN CONTACT INFORMATION ABOUT THE SLEEP IN YOUR CAR PROGRAM FOR HOMELESS.

IS IT STILL AVAILABLE? I STRUGGLE WITH HOMELESSNESS AND THE COST OF LIVING AND THE NEED TO LOOK INTO A PROGRAM.

THANK YOU, AMELIA.

ANOTHER EMAIL, FEBRUARY 14TH SUBJECT.

I AM CURRENTLY LIVING IN MY CAR.

THE MESSAGE.

HELLO, STAFF OF DRAINS FOR CHANGE CURRENTLY LIVING IN MY VEHICLE AND AFRAID OF LOSING MY ONLY SOURCE OF SHELTER.

CAN YOU PLEASE ASSIST CURRENTLY IN THE SANTEE AREA? MY PHONE NUMBER IS THANK YOU.

SEE, HEY, PHONE MESSAGE.

I RECEIVED ON TWO 19.

HELLO.

MY NAME IS ANGEL.

I'M CURRENTLY HOMELESS WITH ME, MY DAUGHTER, AND THE FATHER OF MY DAUGHTER.

I AM ALSO FIVE MONTHS PREGNANT.

UM, PLEASE, UM, COULD YOU GIVE ME A CALL BACK AS SOON AS POSSIBLE? I'M IN VERY, IN NEED OF A PLACE TO STAY? UM, VERY MUCH APPRECIATE IT.

MY PHONE NUMBER IS PLEASE CALL ME BACK AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.

THANK YOU.

AND THE FINAL ONE THIS SUNDAY, FEBRUARY 20TH, SUBJECT NEED HELP.

I NEED A SAFE PLACE TO PARK FOR AWHILE.

IT IS UNSAFE TO STAY WHERE I'M AT.

ALCOHOL POLICE DEPARTMENT TOLD ME TO GO HERE, MARTIN.

I AM ALSO A VET, AND THESE ARE THE REASONS WHY THIS PROGRAM IS IMPORTANT TO ME AND WHY I THINK IT SHOULD BE IMPORTANT TO THE CITY.

THANK YOU.

STEVE HAS A QUESTION FOR YOU.

IF YOU DON'T MIND, TERESA, COME ON BACK DOWN.

HOW LONG DOES A TYPICAL STAY FOR SOMEBODY THAT YOU MANAGE? WE TYPICALLY SEE A STAY AND THIS IS PRE PANDEMIC BETWEEN SIG THREE AND SIX MONTHS DURING THE PANDEMIC.

WE'VE SEEN THAT INCREASE, BUT BETWEEN SIX TO EIGHT MONTHS AND EVEN A LITTLE BIT BEFORE PANDEMIC, CAUSE WE'VE SEEN A VERY TIGHTENING OF THE HOUSING MARKET AND RENTALS.

UM, SO THAT'S REALLY PROLONGED PEOPLE ACTUALLY ATTAIN THAT HOUSING WILL GET THE RESOURCES LINED UP, BE RAPID HOUSING, WHATEVER THAT MAY BE IN THREE TO SIX MONTHS.

AND SOMETIMES IT COULD TAKE SIX MONTHS TO ACTUALLY SECURE THAT HOUSING.

UM, SO TIME HAS INCREASED IN THE LAST FEW YEARS.

ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT PEOPLE OF ALCOHOL MIGHT HAVE IF THE CITY DECIDES TO FUND OR, OR, OR ASSIST IN FUNDING, THE PEOPLE OF ALCOHOL WOULD SAY W WE CERTAINLY WANT TO HELP OUR OWN RESIDENTS FIRST LIVING IN CARS.

SO, UH, WE CERTAINLY HAVE COMPASSION FOR PEOPLE IN OTHER JURISDICTIONS.

WHAT'S YOUR RESPONSE TO RESPONSES? WHAT WE'VE SEEN OVER THE YEARS IS THAT WE DON'T, THE ONLY REASON WHY WE SEE MOVEMENT OF PEOPLE FROM OTHER COMMUNITIES IS BECAUSE THAT'S JUST WHERE THE PROGRAM'S LOCATED AND THEY DON'T HAVE A CHOICE.

IT'S LIKE THE INDIVIDUAL I DESCRIBED, THEY'VE ENROLLED INTO OUR PROGRAM ALL THE WAY OVER IN SAN DIEGO AND NOW COMMUTING BACK AND FORTH BECAUSE THAT'S THE ONLY CLOSEST PROGRAM TO WHERE THEY'RE AT.

UM, WHEN WE'VE STARTED, THE CITY PROGRAMS HAD, ARE NOW OPERATED BY JFS.

THAT WAS THE SAME CONCERN AT THE CITY OF SAN DIEGO HAT.

WE'RE GOING TO BE PUTTING FOREST CITY CBD JARS THAT ONLY CAN BE SPENT FOR CITY CLIENTS.

UM, SO AS SUCH, WE, AND ESSENCE KEPT A SEPARATE RECORD OF THOSE WHO WERE ELIGIBLE FOR THE CITY FUNDING AND THOSE WHO WERE NOT, BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO NECESSARILY TURN ON ANYONE IN A WAY, ESPECIALLY IF THERE'S CHILDREN INVOLVED.

WE JUST WON'T.

IF THEY HAVE CHILDREN, THEY SHOW UP, WE'RE GOING TO SERVE THEM REGARDLESS

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OF WHERE THEY COME FROM.

UM, SO WHEN IT CAME TO THE FUNDING ASPECT, WE WOULD JUST SORT THAT OUT.

WE ONLY BUILD THE CITY FOR THOSE.

WE WERE SAN DIEGO RESIDENTS, AND THEN WE USE OUR OWN DOLLARS TO FUND EVERYTHING ELSE.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

OKAY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

OKAY.

AS, AS, AS DR.

SMITH'S HEADING BACK, I JUST WANTED TO THANK HER.

WE HAD A 30, WHAT WAS I THOUGHT WAS GOING TO BE A 30 MINUTE PHONE CONVERSATION OR ZOOM CONVERSATION ENDED UP BEING AN HOUR AND IT PROBABLY COULD HAVE BEEN LONGER.

AND SHE GAVE US A LOT OF TIME.

AND, UH, I WANT TO JUST THINK DR.

SMITH FROM THE STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE TO GET A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF THE PROGRAM.

GREAT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

NEXT SPEAKER KELLY SPOON.

HELLO.

GOOD AFTERNOON.

THANK YOU AGAIN FOR HAVING ME COME AND SPEAK AND THANK YOU FOR ALL OF YOU FOR CONSIDERING THESE, UM, ALL YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS ARE DEFINITELY SOMETHING YOU SHOULD ACT UPON AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.

UM, I WOULD LIKE TO REALLY ADVOCATE FOR ONE OF THE SOLUTIONS.

THERE IS THIS KIND OF CONCEPT OF DO NOTHING.

UM, I'VE BEEN TALKING WITH THE GOOD SHEPHERD AND WITH THEM OVER THERE, THEY HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THE CITY TO LOCATE THEIR CUP.

THEIR PREVIOUS PERMIT.

THERE IS NONE ON RECORD.

THEY'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE CITY AND IT'S KIND OF GOTTEN INTO THIS WEIRD SPACE OF BECAUSE THEY'VE OWNED THE PROPERTY FOR SO LONG.

SO I'M HERE TO ADVOCATE FOR A SOLUTION.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE CAN DO RIGHT NOW IS YOU COULD BY ACT OF THE CAL, CALIFORNIA AND THE COUNTY HAVE ISSUED AN EMERGENCY RESPONSE TO HOMELESSNESS.

YOU COULD INSTRUCT THE STAFF OR ANYBODY TO GIVE A TEMPORARY EMERGENCY, UM, PERMIT THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO WORK WITH GOOD SHEPHERD.

AS THEY PROVIDE A SANCTUARY FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS TO RECEIVE SERVICES HERE IN OKLAHOMA, I ASKED THAT WE, AS DREAMS FOR CHANGE, DON'T TAKE YOUR FUNDING.

WE ASK THAT WE, YOU USE YOUR FUNDING RIGHT NOW TO FIND PERMANENT SOLUTIONS, PERMANENT HOUSING SOLUTIONS FOR THE PEOPLE THAT WE WILL HELP THAT, UM, HOMESTART CAN HELP THAT OUTCOME HOMES, UM, YOU KNOW, TRANSITIONAL CENTER CAN HELP.

WE WANT TO BE, WE CAN GO, WE'LL WRITE FOR, UM, GRANTS.

WE WILL WRITE FOR, UM, DONATIONS.

WE WILL WRITE FOR THOSE THINGS.

I WILL MAKE IT PART OF MY JOB TO FIND THE FUNDING, TO GET THIS DONE.

IF YOU DO GO WITH ONE OF YOUR OTHERS, I MEAN, WE WILL APPLY FOR AN RFP.

WE WILL GO WHEREVER YOU NEED US TO BE.

AND WE WILL ALWAYS BE AVAILABLE TO ANY AS A RESOURCE, TO ANY OF YOU TO FIND OUT MORE HOW TO HELP THESE FAMILIES AND PEOPLE LIVING IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD THAT ARE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS WHILE LIVING IN THEIR CARS.

THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU.

LAST SPEAKER IS REBECCA BROWN STUTTER.

HI, WELCOME.

THANK YOU.

GOOD AFTERNOON.

UM, I'M REBECCA BRAND CENTER.

I'M A HAPPY CONSTITUENT IN DISTRICT ONE.

UM, AND I JUST WANTED TO COME AND THANK STAFF FOR, UH, THE OUTSTANDING PROFESSIONALISM THAT THEY DID IN THIS REPORT AND THEY CONTINUE TO DO, UM, AND GOODNESS KNOWS.

THEY WENT INTO OVERDRIVE DURING THE PANDEMIC TO ADDRESS THE CRISIS AND THE CASCADE OF MANDATES AND STUFF COMING DOWN FROM WASHINGTON AND SACRAMENTO AND, AND THE COUNTY.

AND YOU'VE DONE GREAT WORK.

AND I THANK YOU.

I THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU'VE DONE TO ADDRESS HOMELESSNESS IN THIS CITY.

AND YOU ALSO TURN THIS REPORT AROUND REALLY QUICKLY IN THE MIDDLE OF ALL KINDS OF OTHER STUFF GOING ON.

SO I WANTED TO, UH, THANK YOU FOR THE RESPONSIVENESS TO THE COMMUNITY NEED AND TO THE, TO THE INQUIRY ABOUT THE POSSIBILITIES FOR A SAFE PARKING.

THE STAFF HAS PRESENTED FIVE GOOD OPTIONS, AND LIKE GRAHAM MITCHELL SAID, THERE'S PROBABLY A COUPLE OTHERS OUT THERE THAT THAT COULD BE LOOKED INTO AS WELL.

I WOULD IN THE MIDDLE OF ALL THESE THINGS, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY, LET'S TRY TO KEEP THE OPTIONS OPEN.

I THINK THAT THE CITY WORKS REALLY WELL WHEN WE'VE GOT ROOM TO BE NIMBLE.

AND I WOULD ALSO SUGGEST THAT WE DON'T PUT ANYTHING IN STONE NECESSARILY UNTIL WE HEAR FROM THE RESULTS OF THE POINT IN TIME, COUNT IS GOING TO TAKE PLACE ON THURSDAY.

THAT'S WHEN WE'RE GOING TO KNOW THE MOST UPDATED DEMAND AND EAGER, AND A LITTLE BIT NERVOUS ABOUT PARTICIPATING AS A VOLUNTEER IN THAT COUNT THIS TIME.

BUT AGAIN, I

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JUST WANTED TO THANK YOU AGAIN FOR, FOR YOUR CLEAR CONCERN FOR THIS COMMUNITY AND YOUR RESPONSIVENESS TO OUR NEEDS AND IDEAS OF THE CONSTITUENTS.

LET ME SEE IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU FOR COMING.

OKAY.

UM, ANY MORE, NO MORE CARDS.

OKAY.

COUNSEL THOUGH, IT'S UP TO US NOW, OPEN UP FOR DISCUSSION.

THANK YOU TO EVERYONE WHO, UM, THANK YOU, GRAHAM FOR THE REPORT, UM, IS QUITE, UM, DETAILED AND THANK YOU TO THE SPEAKERS, SCOTT, KELLY, THERESA, REBECCA, AND I SEE KAY OVER THERE.

I KNOW SHE'S SPOKEN SPIRIT.

UM, I WOULD LIKE TO RECOMMEND, UM, NO OPTIONS.

NUMBER FOUR AND NUMBER FIVE.

I THINK WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING.

UM, THEY HAVE OFFERED, UH, DREAMS FOR CHANGE, HAVE OFFERED TO RUN THE PROGRAM AND LET US USE OUR MONEY TO FIND PERMANENT SOLUTIONS.

I THINK THAT'S AN EXCELLENT SUGGESTION.

AND, UM, I'M HOPING THAT WE CAN, UH, WORK TO FIND THE CUP FOR THE SEVEN 20 JOHNSON PROPERTY, UM, TO GET THEM GOING, BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND THAT THE, UM, LET'S SEE THE CITY HOMELESS OUTREACH TEAM SAYS IT'S NOT REALLY NEEDED, BUT VERSUS CURRENT, UH, INFORMATION FROM THE GROUPS THAT DO PROVIDE THIS TYPE OF SERVICE, THERE IS A NEED.

I THINK THAT ECE TLC, WE SHOULD UTILIZE WHATEVER WE CAN.

I THINK FROM WHAT, FROM WHAT I'VE UNDERSTOOD IN MY RESEARCH AND IN TALKING WITH THESE PROVIDERS IS THAT THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THEIR CARS ARE GENERALLY HIGHT, NOT HIDING, BUT THEY HIDE.

THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE OUT IN THE OPEN.

THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE LIVING IN THEIR TENTS.

THEY DON'T WANT TO BE SEEN AS HOMELESS, UM, FOR WHATEVER REASON, GROSSMONT COLLEGE, EXCELLENT SOLUTION FOR COLLEGE KIDS, UM, FAMILIES, UM, PEOPLE WHO HAVE DOGS, THEY DON'T WANT TO SEPARATE FROM THEIR ANIMALS AND WE HAVE NO, UM, RESOURCE FOR THEM TO TAKE THEIR DOG SOMEPLACE TO LIKE A HOTEL THAT THE ANIMAL CAN STAY AT THE CATS, THE RATS, WHATEVER THEY'VE GOT LIVING IN THEIR CAR WITH THEM.

AND THEY CAN'T JUST TAKE HIM SOMEPLACE AND PUT THEM INTO A TEMPORARY SHELTER.

SO HAVING A SAFE PARKING AREA ALLOWS HIM TO STAY IN TACT AS A FAMILY OR A COUPLE ALLOWS THEM TO STAY WITH THEIR PETS, WHICH IS IMPORTANT FOR MENTAL HEALTH AND, UH, FOR BOTH THE ANIMAL AND THE OWNER.

UM, IT ALLOWS THEM TO, UH, HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF PRIDE WITHOUT HAVING TO LIVE IN A COMMUNITY, SETTING LIKE A SHELTER, UM, AND AS GOOD OF A PROGRAM AS ECE TLC IS, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE STILL SOME THAT HAVE A NEED FOR SHELTER OR HAVE A NEED TO HAVE A PLACE TO SLEEP, BUT DON'T NECESSARILY NEED A BED.

UM, THEY'RE, THEY'RE FINE WITH THE VEHICLE.

I THINK HAVING A SPACE FOR, UH, FIVE RVS UP AN INSTANT NITA'S, IF WE CAN, UH, GET SOME OF THE RBS OFF THE STREETS AND INTO A SAFE PARKING.

I THINK THAT THAT'S AN EXCELLENT IDEA.

YES, WE RESIDENTS DON'T WANT PEOPLE SLEEPING IN THEIR CARS IN FRONT OF THEIR HOUSES.

IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.

THEY'RE GOING TO SLEEP IN THEIR CAR AT THE END OF THE STREET.

AND SO PROVIDING THEM A SAFE SPACE, THEY'RE GIVING EVERYTHING, THEY'RE DOING EVERYTHING DREAMS FOR CHANGE IS ALLOWING FOR, UM, PUT THEM TO, THEY GIVEN THE WRAPAROUND SERVICES THAT EVERYONE WANTS THEM TO HAVE.

THEY, UM, ESPECIALLY THE JOHNSON AVENUE SITE, THEY'VE GOT ALL THE SERVICES THEY NEED.

THEY'RE NOT ASKING ANYTHING FROM US OTHER THAN A CUP FOR THAT IS WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING.

AND I THINK THAT WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD.

WE NEED TO BE PROGRESSIVE ON THIS AND WE NEED TO JUST, WE NEED TO OPEN IT UP.

AND IF THERE ARE WILLING TO DO THIS ON GRANTS, THEN WHAT DOES IT COST US? IT'S NOT GOING TO COST US ANYTHING EXCEPT THAT NOW WE HAVE TO LOOK FOR PERMANENT SOLUTIONS.

AND I REALIZED THAT THIS IS A TOUGH SITUATION.

UM, IT'S A TOUGH SITUATION FOR MANY CITIES

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AROUND, AND WE NEED TO FOCUS ON PERMANENT SOLUTIONS AND HELPING, UM, GETTING PERMANENT SOLUTIONS FOR THE MENTALLY ILL.

I WATCH A LOT OF VIDEOS THAT COME OUT OF SEATTLE AND PORTLAND AND LOS ANGELES OF HOMELESS PEOPLE IN THE THROWS OF DRUG ADDICTION AND MENTAL ILLNESS BARELY CLOTHED, DIRTY FILTHY WITH PEOPLE EATING 20 FEET AWAY.

AND NOBODY HELPS THEM.

AND HOW CAN WE ASSIST SOCIETY? LOOK AT OURSELVES IN THE MIRROR AND SAY, OH, THAT'S OKAY.

BECAUSE YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY ELSE WILL TAKE CARE OF THAT.

WELL, AT SOME POINT IN TIME, WE, AS A CITY COUNCIL, WE HAVE TO STAND UP AND SAY, OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO DO SOMETHING BECAUSE WE HAVE THE POWER TO DO THAT.

AND IF WE WORK IN CONJUNCTION WITH THESE OTHER ORGANIZATIONS, WE CAN DO THAT.

SO, UM, I, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US TAKE, YOU KNOW, OPTIONS FOUR AND FIVE OR WHATEVER, ANY OF THOSE AND MAKE IT WORK.

THANK YOU EVERYBODY ELSE.

WELL, I WAS SURPRISED BY THE STAFF REPORT BECAUSE THE SOURCES THAT I TALKED TO, UH, DOES THIS WORK ARE THE SAME SOURCES THAT STAFF TALKED TO.

WE GOT TWO DIFFERENT STORIES.

I'M NOT DOUBTING STAFF'S, UH, PORTRAYAL OF THE THING.

IT WAS JUST INTERESTING THAT WE GOT TWO DIFFERENT VERSIONS OF THIS.

UM, THE VERSION THAT I GOT WAS, YES, THIS WOULD WORK AND IT'S NEEDED AND WE'D SUPPORT IT.

AND, UH, TO IT, TO A SHELTER IN TOWN.

YES.

IF WE HAD PEOPLE STAGED IN PARKING SPOTS, THEN WE WOULD NEVER HAVE AN EMPTY ROOM IN OUR PLACE.

SO I THOUGHT, WELL, THAT MAKES SENSE.

SO I'M SURPRISED THAT WE DIFFER IN THE INFORMATION THAT WE GATHERED.

UM, SO I'M DOWN TO THE NEED AND THE DEMAND, BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO FIX SOMETHING.

THAT'S NOT REALLY A PROBLEM.

IF STAFF SAYS, WELL, IT'S NOT REALLY A PROBLEM YET, BUT I KIND OF THINK IT IS, BUT HERE'S WHERE I'M GOING.

THE POLICE ACTUALLY HAPPENED TO BE THE MOST USEFUL SOURCE OF INFORMATION FOR ME, BECAUSE I THINK THEY'RE OUT ON THE STREET, YOU KNOW, 24 7, WHAT THE POLICE SAID WAS WE, WE CAN'T FIND FAMILIES LIVING ON THE STREETS OF ALCOHOL.

WE DO FIND INDIVIDUALS LIVING IN STREETS, CARS, BUT THEY'RE PROBABLY THE TYPE OF PEOPLE THAT WON'T ADHERE TO RULES FOUND IN A SAFE PARKING FACILITY, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT WE HEAR OF EVEN PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT LIVING IN CARS.

SO THAT KIND OF LIKE, WELL, YOU KNOW, THEN WHO ARE REALLY TRYING TO TARGET, I STILL THINK THERE'S SOMETHING HERE FOR US TO OFFER, UH, DREAMS FOR CHANGE AND GOOD SHEPHERD TO HAVE A GOOD RELATIONSHIP.

I THINK THERE'S SOMETHING THERE WE NEED TO LISTEN TO.

UH, IF, IF DREAMS FOR CHANGE CAN GET A STATE GRANT FOR THE HAP FUND, THAT WOULD CERTAINLY MAKE IT EASIER FOR, I THINK THE COMMUNITY, UM, ISSUE, AS I MENTIONED, THE FUNDS FROM ALCOHOL AND WOULD THEY BE USED FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE COMING IN FROM OTHER COMMUNITIES, WE WOULD NEED TO ADDRESS THAT.

UH, BUT I THINK I'M GOING TO REWORD OPTION NUMBER ONE, TO BE READY AND RESPONSIVE, UH, CONSIDERATE AS THEY ARE SUBMITTED, RATHER THAN DO NOTHING.

I, I KNOW YOU DIDN'T REALLY MEET, DO NOTHING.

I THINK YOU JUST MET BE READY AND RESPONSIVE.

AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT I WOULD SAY IS I THINK THERE ARE SOME INTERESTS WITH PEOPLE AND WE SHOULD HEAR FROM THEM AND LET'S HEAR WHAT PROPERTY THEY WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE.

LET'S HEAR WHAT KIND OF RULES, WHAT KIND OF PROGRAMS LET'S HEAR FROM THE NEIGHBORS THAT ARE AROUND THEM, WHAT THEIR CONCERNS ARE.

AND LET'S SEE IF THIS IS A GOOD FIT.

AND I THINK THAT'S HOW WE SHOULD PROCEED IS, UH, YOU KNOW, EVEN IF WE DO IT FOR 18 MONTHS, FOR INSTANCE, CAUSE THAT MIGHT TAKE SIX MONTHS TO RAMP UP, UH, TO TRY IT FOR 18 MONTHS.

AND UH, I THINK LET THEM TELL US WHAT THE DEMAND IS BECAUSE THEY KNOW BETTER THAN THE AVERAGE PERSON IN THE PUBLIC DOES I'M FOR OPTION.

NUMBER ONE, BE READY AND RESPONSIVE FOR ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO SUBMIT A PROPOSAL, A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.

UH, WHAT'S THE CITY LIABILITY.

IF SOMETHING GOES WRONG AT ONE OF THESE PLACES.

WELL, I GUESS IT DEPENDS ON WHAT LEVEL OF INVOLVEMENT WE HAVE.

I MEAN, IF WE WERE TO DO IT ON CITY PROPERTY, WE'D HAVE MORE EXPOSURE THERE.

UH, BUT IF WE WERE, IF IT WERE TO OCCUR, UM, AT A PROPERTY IN WHICH

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WAS VETTED THROUGH A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AND THEN MITIGATION MEASURES WERE PUT INTO PLACE AND THE CITY IS DOING ITS DUE DILIGENCE AND ENSURING THOSE, THOSE MITIGATIONS ARE OCCURRING, WE WOULDN'T HAVE ANY LIABILITY IT'S CARRYING ON SOMEONE ELSE'S PROPERTY.

UH, IF WE HAD SOME FUNDING IN, IN IT, FROM THE CITY SOMEHOW, UH, WHETHER IT BE CDBG MONEY OR SOME OTHER FUNDING, OUR GRANT AGREEMENTS WOULD GIVE US SOME OF THOSE PROTECTIONS FROM THAT.

SO I DON'T, I THINK OUR LIABILITY EXPOSURE WOULD BE LIMITED.

OKAY.

I JUST TALKED TO IVAN FROM EAST COUNTY TRANSITIONAL LIVING CENTER TODAY.

UH, THEY'VE GOT ABOUT 400 PEOPLE LIVING RIGHT NOW OVER THERE, AND THAT INCLUDES 175 CHILDREN.

UH, NOW MY UNDERSTANDING IS THEY COULD START THIS PROGRAM WITHOUT A CONDITIONAL USE PER USE PERMIT.

IS THAT, IS THAT TRUE? CORRECT.

UM, LONG A LOOK, I'M GONNA LOOK TO TONY CHUTE YET.

IS THAT WHAT, WHAT DOES THE MR. SHOE COME ON DOWN? THEY HAVE THE RIGHT ZONING IN PLACE.

THERE MAY BE SOME MODIFICATIONS THAT MAY NEED TO OCCUR, BUT I'LL LET MR SHUTE EXPLAIN THAT MORE.

UH, GOOD AFTERNOON COUNSEL, UM, UH, AC TLC DOES HAVE A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR THEIR EMERGENCY SHELTER OPERATION THAT WOULD NEED A MINOR AMENDMENT, WHICH WE COULD DO AT THE STAFF LEVEL.

HOWEVER, THERE WOULD BE A NEED FOR A TWEAK TO THE ZONING CODE TO ALLOW FOR A SAFE PARKING PROGRAM AS PART OF AN EMERGENCY SHELTER.

SO SOMETHING THAT COULD BE ACHIEVED AND IN JUST A COUPLE OF MONTHS.

THANK YOU, TONY.

UM, MORGAN, IF I'M GOING TOO FAR ON A SPECIFIC PROPERTY, GIVE ME THE WARNING AND KEEP ME OUT OF JAIL.

OKAY.

UM, WELL JUST TO RESPOND TO THAT, UH, IDENTIFYING SPECIFIC PROPERTIES ARE NOT WHAT'S ON THE AGENDA TODAY.

TODAY IS THE IDEA OF WHAT DIRECTION DO YOU WANT TO GIVE TO STAFF TO PROCEED OR NOT TO PROCEED IF, TO PROCEED, HOW IT HAPPENED? I KNOW THERE'S BEEN SOME TALK ABOUT A SPECIFIC PROPERTY, BUT THAT'S NOT BEFORE YOU TODAY.

UH, IT SEEMS IT'S A PROPERTY THAT IS INTERESTED IN THIS PRO UH, THIS TYPE OF A PROGRAM, BUT I WOULD, UH, BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO NEED TO TAKE SOME ACTION TO EITHER APPROVE A CONDITIONAL PERMIT, A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, OR TAKE SOME OTHER DISCRETIONARY ACTION.

YOU REALLY NEED TO CONSIDER THE FACT THAT THAT WILL REQUIRE DUE PROCESS, NOT ONLY FOR THE APPLICANTS, BUT THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS AT THAT SPECIFIC LOCATION.

SO I WOULD, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT YOU NOT GET INVOLVED TODAY IN A SPECIFIC PRO PROPERTY, BUT ALSO GIVE US DIRECTION AS TO WHETHER YOU WANT US TO START A PROGRAM THAT WOULD LEAD TO A SPACE, ANY, ANY PROPERTY WITH THROUGHOUT THE CITY.

THANK YOU.

UH, I LIKE LOOKING AT OPTION NUMBER FIVE BECAUSE WE ALREADY DO AN AWFUL LOT FOR THE HOMELESS IN OUR CITY.

AND WHEN WE SPEND MORE ON THE HOMELESS AND ALL THE OTHER EAST COUNTY CITIES COMBINED, AND I THINK SOME OF THE OTHER CITIES HAVE TO STEP UP TO THE PLATE.

UH, I'D LIKE TO SAY WE'VE GOT 400 PEOPLE OVER THERE AT ECE TLC ALREADY.

UH, I'D LIKE TO SEE SANTI LAMESA, UM, LAKESIDE, ALTHOUGH IT'S NOT A CITY IT'S IN THE, IN THE COUNTY, UH, STEP UP TO THE PLATE AND ELISE HAVE SOMETHING THERE.

AND I THINK A SAFE PARKING AREA WOULD BE GOOD CHOICE FOR THEM.

AND DOESN'T PUT THAT KIND OF BURDEN ON US AND, AND I DIDN'T WANT TO IMPORT HOMELESS PEOPLE FROM OTHER AREAS.

SO I'M, I'M LOOKING AT, UH, OPTION NUMBER FIVE.

AND AS STEVE SAID, BE READY ON A NUMBER ONE, SUPPORT, NUMBER FIVE, STEVE.

WELL, IT'S THREE OF YOU NOW SUPPORTING NUMBER FIVE.

MY QUESTION IS, WHAT IF THEY DON'T ACCEPT THE PROPOSAL? WHAT IF NOBODY SAYS WE'RE IN, THEN WE'RE NOWHERE DIFFERENT THAN WE ARE TODAY.

WE HAVEN'T MOVED FORWARD.

WHAT, WHAT HAPPENS IF NOBODY SAYS YES, THEN WE CROSS THAT BRIDGE WHEN WE COME TO IT.

I THINK WE WON'T WANT IT TO KIND OF DO SOMETHING.

UM, I, HOW, W HOW LONG WILL THAT TAKE US TO GET TO THAT BRIDGE? DO YOU THINK, DO YOU THINK THEY'LL NOT ANSWER THE QUESTION AND JUST PUT IT OFF? DO YOU THINK THEY'LL TAKE THREE TO SIX MONTHS TO THINK ABOUT IT WILL, THERE IS A TIMELINE ON THAT MONEY.

SO 50%

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OF THE REMAINING CDBG CV MONEY HAS TO BE SPENT 50% BY NEXT SUMMER, AUGUST, 2023 OR JULY, JULY THREE.

SO IF SOMEONE WERE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT OFFER, THEY WOULD NEED TO BE MOVING QUICKLY.

THAT IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT THEY WOULD BE THINKING ABOUT AS A LONG-TERM STRATEGY.

I'M ALSO CONCERNED IN NUMBER FIVE, ABOUT THE PERCEPTION THAT WE ARE OFFLOADING SOME RESPONSIBILITY THAT WE HAVE TO OUR RESIDENTS WHO ARE NEEDING THIS TO OTHER CITIES, AND THAT DOESN'T LOOK GOOD.

THAT WE'RE, YOU TAKE CARE OF, OF THE ISSUE FOR SOME OF OUR RESIDENTS, AND WE'LL, WE'LL PAY YOU FOR IT.

I'M, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THAT PUBLIC VIEW.

CAN I RESPOND TO THAT? MAY I REALLY FAST? YEAH.

SORRY TO INTERRUPT YOU.

ONE OF THE, I MEAN, THIS IS SOME CONTEXT, AS YOU RECALL, WE'RE WORKING ON THIS MEMO, MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE OTHER, THE OTHER JURISDICTIONS IN EAST COUNTY.

ONE OF THE ABILITY IN THAT MOU, ONCE IT'S ADOPTED IS TO SHARE RESOURCES.

AND, UM, FOR EXAMPLE, LET'S SAY LEMON GROVE WERE TO BUILD A SHELTER OR HAVE A SAFE PARKING FACILITY.

THE OTHER JURISDICTIONS IN THE COUNTY OR EAST COUNTY AT LEAST COULD SAY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO CONTRIBUTE THIS OF MONEY IN AN EXCHANGE FOR THAT WE GET ACCESS TO SPACE, RIGHT? SO THAT, THAT'S WHAT THE MOU ALLOWS THAT TO OCCUR.

SO, SO SOME OF THAT MAY ALREADY BE BUILT IN WHEN THE MOU HAPPENS WITHOUT HAVING TO FORMERLY TAKE A POSITION ON IT.

BECAUSE IF SOMEONE WERE TO SAY, WELL, WE'RE DOING A SAFE PARKING PROGRAM IN SANTEE, WE COULD SAY, WELL, WE HAVE A FUNDING SOURCE.

AND IF YOU DO THAT, UM, WE CAN PROVIDE FUNDING IF YOU, IF WE CAN GUARANTEE SOME SLOTS FOR OUR RESIDENTS THERE.

SO THAT'S KIND OF IN THE WORKS, AND I KNOW IT'S UP THERE AS AN OPTION, BUT I JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU THAT CONTEXT THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE COUNCIL WILL BE CONTEMPLATING FROM A, FROM A LARGER PERSPECTIVE AND THE NEXT COUPLE OF MEETINGS.

SO IF THAT'S HELPFUL, I THINK IT STILL DEPENDS ON SANTEE AS AN EXAMPLE TO SAY, WE WOULD LIKE TO DO A SAFE PARKING PROGRAM VERSUS US SAYING, WILL YOU PLEASE DO A SAFE PARKING PROGRAM? THAT'S CORRECT.

THAT IS A DIFFERENCE.

AND WITH YOUR PERMISSION, I JUST WAS GOING TO REITERATE WHAT YOU SAID THAT, YOU KNOW, ALCOHOLICS OR LAYS CARRY ITS FAIR SHARE OF THE WATER WHEN IT COMES TO HELPING WITH THE HOMELESS SITUATION.

SO I, I DON'T HAVE, I THINK THAT THERE IS SOME VALUE IN REACHING OUT TO THE OTHER JURISDICTIONS AND SAYING, YOU KNOW, IT'S TIME FOR YOU TO BE INVOLVED IN THIS PROCESS.

I DON'T HAVE HARPER WITH THAT, BUT ANYWAY, GO AHEAD.

UM, ACTUALLY YOU KIND OF COVERED WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY.

UH, I MEAN THE HOMELESS, I THINK AS LONG AS IT'S IN THE AREA THAT THEY'RE FAMILIAR WITH, I DON'T CARE WHERE THEY'RE PARKING IT.

I DON'T THINK THEY CARE WHETHER THEY HAVE A SAFE PARKING SPOT IN SANTI, LAKESIDE, ELCA HOME.

UH LAMESA THEY JUST WANT TO BE SAFE.

BUT, UH, ANOTHER QUESTION FOR THE CITY MANAGER, AND MAYBE IT NEEDS TO BE OUR, UH, POLICE CHIEF THAT ANSWERED THIS, WHAT KIND OF DEMAND DID THE POLICE SEE FOR FAMILY? IT SOUNDED LIKE IT WASN'T A WHOLE LOT AND THEY'LL COME WHEN THEY STOP, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY FIND PEOPLE LIVING IN A CAR ON THE STREETS.

THAT'S CORRECT.

AND I THINK THE STAFF REPORT ALLUDES TO THIS, THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE LIVING WELL, THERE'S, I'LL JUST SAY THIS I'LL CATEGORIZE SORT OF TWO DIFFERENT GROUPS OF PEOPLE LIVING IN CARS.

UM, WE KNOW BY TALKING TO DREAMS FOR CHANGE AND JEWISH FAMILY SERVICE, THAT ABOUT 70% OF PEOPLE LIVING IN THEIR CARS ARE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS FOR THE FIRST TIME.

SO A LOT OF FOLKS ARE, THIS IS A VERY FIRST TIME EVENT FOR THEM, FRANKLY, THOSE ARE THE FOLKS THAT ARE WHEN THEY CONTACT HOMESTART.

THOSE ARE THE EASIEST TO GET BACK IN THE SHELTER TO RAPID REHOUSING.

IN FACT, THAT'S WHERE I RECOMMEND ALL A LOT OF OUR RESOURCES BE ALLOCATED TOWARDS IS THAT RAPID REHOUSING, BECAUSE IF YOU'VE BEEN HOMELESS FOR A SHORTER PERIOD OF TIME, IT'S EASIER FOR YOU TO GET BACK INTO HOUSING THAN SOMEONE THAT'S BEEN CHRONICALLY HOMELESS.

UH, I THINK THE FOLKS THAT, THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ENCOUNTER LIVING ON THE STREET ARE NOT THOSE FAMILIES.

THEY'RE MORE THE CHRONICALLY HOMELESS INDIVIDUALS, THOSE WITH MENTAL ISSUES, MENTAL, MENTAL, UM, ADDICTION OR ADDICTION ISSUES.

THOSE ARE THE FOLKS THAT THEY HADN'T TEND TO ENCOUNTER, BUT THOSE ARE ALSO THE FOLKS THAT TEND TO BREAK THE LAW AND FAMILIES THAT ARE HOMELESS FOR THE VERY FIRST TIME, UM, ARE, ARE TENDING TO FIGURE OUT WAYS TO STAY A LITTLE BIT MORE UNDER THE RADAR.

OKAY.

WE'VE GOT A POINT IN TIME COUNT COMING UP, I GUESS IT'S THURSDAY, THURSDAY MORNING.

YES.

AND IT'S GOING TO BE REALLY COLD THURSDAY MORNING.

I THINK IT'S GOING TO HIT ABOUT 30

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DEGREES, UH, AT NIGHT.

UM, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S TOO LATE TO GET THE PEOPLE WHO ARE DOING THE COUNT TO FIND OUT, LET'S SAY FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE LIVING IN THE CARS, WHERE THEY'RE FROM AND HOW, YOU KNOW, IF THEY GOT KIDS IN THERE, I GET, THEY COULD PROBABLY SEE IF THEY'VE GOT KIDS, UH, HOW LONG THEY'VE BEEN LIVING IN THEIR CARS FOR GETTING TO A PROGRAM.

SO WE CAN GET A LITTLE BIT MORE DATA TO DICTATE THE QUESTIONS.

THOSE ARE DICTATED BY THE REGIONAL TASK FORCE ON HOMELESS, THAT FOLLOW HUD GUIDELINES.

SO THERE, THERE'S VERY STRICT QUESTIONS THAT WE CAN'T ASK AND TO SEE, AND FRANKLY, WE CAN'T EVEN GO BEYOND THAT.

I'D LIKE TO ASK SOME PROBING FOLLOW-UP QUESTIONS, CAUSE I THINK IT'D BE VERY USEFUL, BUT NOT ALLOWED TO DO THAT.

SO, BUT THAT DOES ASK ABOUT KIDS THAT ARE LIVING IN CARS.

UM, VEHICLES ARE IDENTIFIED AS A, AS A SHELTER AS, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR.

SO WE'LL GET SOME DATA FROM THAT.

THE PROBLEM IS THAT THE DATA PROBABLY WON'T HIT UNTIL IF YOU LOOK AT PAST, UH, POINT IN TIME COUNTS, UH, APRIL, MAY, MAYBE EVEN JUNE.

OKAY, WELL THEN, UH, I'D LIKE TO SEE US, UH, LOOK AT NUMBER FIVE AND THEN WHEN WE GET THAT DATA BACK, UH, MAYBE WE COULD, UH, LOOK AT NUMBER ONE AGAIN AS, UH, AND MAYBE, UH, WE CAN GET SOME OF THE PEOPLE OUT HERE THAT ARE INVOLVED WITH, WITH, UH, TRYING TO HELP THE HOMELESS, UH, TO HELP IDENTIFY PLACES THAT MAY BE APPROPRIATE SOMETIME IN THE FUTURE.

BUT JUST NOT QUITE TILL WE GET MORE INFORMATION.

I, I THINK, UM, I'M GOING TO DO A HYBRID ON THAT.

I'M GOING TO DO NUMBER ONE AND NUMBER FIVE.

OH, I'M NOT REALLY FOR NUMBER FIVE FOR THE REASONS I'VE STATED, BUT YOU KNOW, TRYING TO PUT TOGETHER A PACKAGE THAT WORKS FOR EVERYBODY.

UM, I THINK THERE ARE PEOPLE I THINK THERE ARE RESIDENTS IN OKLAHOMA WHO BELIEVE THAT IT'S OKAY TO HELP PEOPLE FOR ANOTHER.

UM, WE'RE ONLY TALKING PERHAPS FROM THE, FROM THE GROUPS THAT WE'VE HEARD FROM, WE'RE TALKING 16 SPACES.

WE'RE NOT TALKING A FACILITY FOR 400.

AND I THINK THERE ARE A SIZABLE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT ALCOHOL WOULD SAY, HEY, IF YOU WANT TO GET FIVE OF THOSE SPOTS OR THE 16 TO PEOPLE FROM OTHER COMMUNITIES, WE GOT A HEART.

AND I THINK THEY'RE OKAY BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING 16 SPACES, UH, UNDER ONE INTERESTED PARTIES, UH, TALK SO FAR.

SO I'M ACTUALLY GOING TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE DO OPTION ONE, WHICH IS TO BE READY AND RESPONSIVE FOR ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO SUBMIT A PROGRAM FOR ALCOHOL, BUT ALSO TO, UH, ACCEPT NUMBER FIVE AS WELL, UH, WITH KIND OF THE COUCHING OF THE LANGUAGE THAT WE'RE NOT ASKING SOMEBODY ELSE TO DO IT, BUT WE'LL PARTICIPATE WITH SOMEBODY ELSE TO DO IT.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? SO WHEN EMOTIONS FOR NUMBER ONE IN NUMBER FIVE, UM, SO BEFORE WE TALK ABOUT THAT, IS THERE ANY REASON WHY WE CAN'T BE FLUID AND HAVE ALL OF THEM AVAILABLE TO USE DEPENDING ON THE SITUATION THAT COMES UP? I MEAN, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE, WHY WE HAVE TO CHOOSE ONE, IF SOMEONE WANTS TO PROVIDE, OKAY, MAYBE NOT NUMBER THREE PER CITY PROPERTIES, BECAUSE WE ARE VERY LOW ON CITY AVAILABLE CITY PROPERTIES TO DO THAT.

BUT IF SOMEONE WANTED TO, UM, SOMEONE WHO HAS AN IDEA FOR A SITE WHERE THEY HAVE A SITE TO PREPARE, YOU KNOW, PROVIDE, IS THERE ANY REASON WHY WE CAN'T BE FLUID ABOUT IT DEPENDING ON, ON WHAT THE SITUATION IS? WHY DO WE HAVE TO CHOOSE ONE WHERE YOU CAN MAKE ANY EMOTION YOU WANT TO SHOW? OKAY, WELL THEN I OFFER, I, I OFFERED THAT WE MAKE THIS A FLUID SITUATION AND DO WHATEVER ONE OF THOSE FIVE THAT COMES UP FOR THE SITUATION THAT WELL, SOME OF THEM HAVE TO BE DECIDED ON, LIKE, WE GOT TWO, TWO MOTIONS ON THE FLOOR, BUT THEY ORIGINALLY THE PENDING MOTION IS MR. GOEBBELS.

AND DO YOU MAKE EMOTIONS? SORRY.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

SO IF THERE'S A SECOND TO THAT, YOU CAN TAKE ACTION ON THAT MOTION.

SO MICHELLE YOU CAN MAKE A SUBSTITUTE MOTION IF YOU'D RATHER, OR WE CAN VOTE.

WELL, NO, IF WE CAN, WE CAN DO THE, THE ONE AND FIVE.

IF WE KEPT ONE

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AS FLUID, IN A SENSE OF AS SITUATIONS COME UP, THEN WE ADDRESS THEM AND, AND HELP A GROUP THAT NEEDS TO SEE YOU P UM, HELP, UH, HELP GREASE THE WHEELS.

IF YOU WILL, TO GET THEM INTO PROVIDING THE SERVICES THAT THEY SAY THAT THEY CAN PROVIDE.

WELL, LET ME GET A POINT OF CLARIFICATION, GRAHAM ON I'LL OPTION.

NUMBER ONE, HOW DO YOU, HOW DO YOU, HOW WOULD YOU EXPLAIN THAT? I THINK WHAT I WOULD EXPLAIN IS AS AN APPLICANT, A PROPERTY OWNER SAID, I'M INTERESTED IN AN OPERATING, A SAFE PARKING PROGRAM.

THEY WOULD APPROACH THE CITY AND WE WOULD GIVE THEM A, AN APPLICATION TO FINISH A COMPLETE, A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT APPLICATION.

AND THEN WE WOULD PROCESS IT.

UM, I WOULD FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE UNLESS THE COUNCIL CHANGES THE ZONING CODE I'D FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE, UH, GIVING PREFERENTIAL TREATMENT FOR ONE CUP APPLICANT OVER ANOTHER CP APPLICANT.

CAUSE I THINK I DON'T, I DON'T, I THINK IT PUTS US IN A BAD POSITION WHERE WE'RE FAVORING ONE TYPES OF USE OVER OTHERS.

UNLESS YOU MAKE A FORMAL MODIFICATION TO THE ZONING ORDINANCE TO SAY, W WE'LL MAKE THIS A MINOR USE PERMIT INSTEAD OF A CONDITIONER.

ARE YOU SAYING THAT TO, TO ADOPT NUMBER ONE, WE HAVE TO GIVE YOU A CP CUP.

I THINK BASED ON WHAT I HEARD FROM MR. GOBLE WAS AS AN APPLICANT COMES IN, WE'LL PROCESS IT LIKE WE WOULD ANY OTHER APPLICANT.

AND THEN IF THEY GET THE APPLICATION, THEN WE CAN, WE CAN CONSIDER OUR LEVEL OF INVOLVEMENT AT THAT POINT.

SO HOW IS THAT WHAT YOU WOULD HAVE DONE TODAY? NOT DIFFERENT THAN WE DO TODAY, AND THAT'S WHY IT'S DO NOTHING.

AND I KNOW DO NOTHING SOUNDS NEGATIVE, BUT IT'S REALLY FOLLOWED THE PROTOCOL THAT WE FOLLOW TODAY.

AND THAT'S WHAT I MET AN APPLICANT COMES TODAY.

IF IT HAS TO GO TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR A HEARING SET THAT THE NEIGHBORS CAN BE HEARD.

I'M YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.

IT'S REALLY NO DIFFERENT, NO DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE'RE DOING TODAY.

TAKE MICHELLE CAN'T WE USE THE EMERGENCY RESPONSE TO HOMELESSNESS FROM THE STATE AS A REASON TO MAYBE GIVE PREFERENTIAL TREATMENT TO THESE PROGRAMS THAT NEED A CUP.

WE DON'T BELIEVE THAT THAT, UM, SUBVERTS OR, OR OVERRIDES YOUR CURRENT ZONING CODE.

OKAY.

MY CONCERN IS ALWAYS ARE OTHER PEOPLE INVOLVED AND THAT'S THE CASE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THEY WOULD BE HEARD AS PART OF THE CUP PROCESS.

ALL RIGHT.

WHAT'S ON THE WALL IS A MOTION ON THE TABLE.

IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND? OKAY.

PLEASE VOTE MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF THOSE PRESENT.

OKAY.

WELL GOOD.

THAT'S NICE TO HAVE A, A GOOD DEBATE.

YEAH.

BREAK UP.

NO, BEF BEFORE WE GO ON THERE'S ONE OTHER THING.

UH, I LIKE THE IDEA OF STUDENTS BEING ABLE TO, UH, SLEEP, STAY IN THEIR CARS OVER AT GROSSMONT COLLEGE.

AND IF WE'VE GOT SOME CBDG MONEY THAT WE COULD HELP OUT ON THAT, UH, I DON'T KNOW THE PROPER WAY TO CONTACT THEM IF IT'S BETWEEN THIS, OUR CITY MANAGER AND THE, IN THE CHANCELLOR OVER AT GROSSMONT QUEEN MACA, UH, UH, PROBABLY HAS TO GO BEFORE THE COUNCIL, RIGHT? TO HAVE TO GO.

YEAH.

WELL, IF IT'S INVOLVING CDBG, YOU'D HAVE TO APPLY FOR IT.

AND THERE'LL BE AN ALLOCATION PROCESS.

I, I THINK, UM, PERSONALLY I THINK THE EAST COUNTY HOMELESS TASK FORCE NEEDS TO HAVE A ROLE IN SOMETHING.

AND THIS COULD BE ONE OF THEIR ROLES IS TO REACH OUT TO THE COMMUNITY COLLEGE DISTRICT AND SEE IF THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES THERE.

SO THAT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT THEY MAY WANT TO ADVOCATE.

ALL RIGHT.

WELL, NOT ONLY THAT, BUT THE HOMELESS TASK FORCE CAN BE INTEGRAL AND OPTION FIVE IN CONTACTING THEIR COMMUNITY.

THAT'S THAT'S ONE REASON WHY WE FUNDED THEM FOR ANOTHER YEAR IS TO BE OUR ADVOCATE TO A REGION WIDE, THE APPROACH, CHRIS AND I HAVE A STEERING COMMITTEE MEETING FOR THAT COMMITTEE THIS, THIS WEEK.

AND I'LL BE SHARING COUNCIL'S DIRECTION AT THAT, THAT MEETING.

OKAY.

THANKS, GRAHAM.

APPRECIATE THAT.

ALL RIGHT.

LET'S MOVE ON TO ITEM 10.

IT'S WELL, ACTUALLY WE'RE GOING TO NOT DO THAT SO NEXT WEEK, RIGHT.

IF WE CAN DO NINE FIRST THOUGH, I'LL SEE.

THERE YOU ARE GOING IN ORDER

[9. Allocate American Rescue Plan Act Funds for Appraisal Services RECOMMENDATION: That the City Council authorizes the allocation of up to $40,000 for appraisal services for the vacant property at Cuyamaca Street and Weld Boulevard.]

OR ITEM NINE IS REGARDING AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN ACT FUNDS AND OSCAR CITY MANAGER.

TELL US ABOUT THIS PLACE.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL.

UM, LATE LAST YEAR, THE COUNCIL MET IN CLOSED SESSION AND GAVE SOME DIRECTION TO COUNCIL ON POTENTIALLY NEGOTIATING FOR THE PURCHASE OF PROPERTIES IN AND AROUND THE AIRPORT AREA.

UM, STAFF HAS IDENTIFIED ONE PARCEL THAT I THINK THERE'S

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SOME VALUE IN HAVING A FURTHER DISCUSSION WITH IT'S THE PROPERTY AT THE VACANT PROPERTY AT THE CORNER OF QUIA MACA AND WELD, AGAIN, OWNED BY THE COUNTY OF SAN DIEGO.

I THINK IN ORDER TO HAVE AN INFORMED CONVERSATION WITH THE COUNTY ABOUT ITS PURCHASE, THERE NEEDS TO BE AN APPRAISAL.

AT THIS POINT, WE HAVE NO IDEA OF, OF ITS VALUE, ESPECIALLY GIVEN LIMITATIONS FROM THE FAA.

UM, AND ALSO GIVEN LIMITATIONS FROM THE RECENTLY ADOPTED WORKING FAMILY ORDINANCE.

SO WE WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE REUTILIZE OR REALLOCATE SOME OF THE ARPA MONEY THAT WAS ALLOCATED FOR A BUSINESS GRANT PROGRAMS REALLOCATE NO MORE THAN $40,000 FOR SOME APPRAISAL SERVICES.

ONCE WE HAVE THOSE, UH, WE WOULD THEN GO BACK TO THE COUNCIL AND SEEK SOME DIRECTION BASED ON THAT DATA.

IF, IF, UM, W WITH THAT STAFF IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, UH, BUT WE'D MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION THAT WE REALLOCATE $40,000 FOR THE PURPOSE OF OBTAINING AN APPRAISAL QUESTIONS.

UH, ANGELA AND THESE PURE CARDS.

WE HAVE NO SPEAKERS THERE.

ALL RIGHT, THEN I'LL BRING IT BACK TO THE COUNCIL FOR DISCUSSION DIRECTION.

WELL, MOTION TO APPROVE MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF THOSE PRESENT.

WE'RE ALMOST DONE, SO, OKAY.

YEAH.

THERE'S SOME STUFF.

OKAY.

YEAH.

UH, WE'RE GONNA TAKE A QUICK BREAK.

FIVE MINUTES WHERE WE'RE AT BACK.