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AND THE MOMENT, THE SILENT PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL, YOU MAY BE SEATED.
LAURA, MAY REHAB ROLL CALL PLEASE.
SO TILA ROSEN, COMMISSIONER MOROSE, COMMISSIONER PAWLAK RUDE, PRESENT AND COMMISSIONER BIAS, PRESENT AND COMMISSIONER SERCO IS ABSENT.
[CHAIRPERSON’S WELCOME]
WELCOME TO THE ALCOHOL PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.THIS MEETING IS BEING LIVE STREAMED ON THE CITY OF ALCOHOL WEBSITE, APPEALS OF FINAL DECISION, OR THE PLANNING COMMISSION MADE THE CVD MUST BE FILED AND RIDING WITH THE CITY CLERK BEFORE 5:00 PM, MONDAY, NOVEMBER 29TH, 2021.
IT MUST INCLUDE THE PAYMENT OF A FIGHTING FEE.
IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK ON EITHER A NON-AGENDA OR AGENDA ITEM TONIGHT, PLEASE FILL OUT A REQUEST TO SPEAK CARD LOCATED BY THE AGENDA AND RETURN IT INTO THE SECRETARY WHO WILL CALL YOU UP TO SPEAK.
WHEN THE AGENDA ITEM COMES UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, WE ASK THAT YOU GIVE US YOUR NAME, SPELLING.
SPEAKERS ARE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES.
THE DISPLAY ON THE PODIUM, AS WELL AS THE OTHER MONITORS IN THE CHAMBERS WILL SHOW TIME COUNTING DOWN AT 30 SECONDS.
THE PODIUM CLOCK READOUT WILL TURN RED SIGNIFYING YOU HAVE 30 SECONDS UNTIL THE END OF YOUR TIME.
APPLICANTS AND INDIVIDUALS REPRESENTING GROUPS OF PEOPLE MAY BE ALLOWED MORE TIME.
IF APPROPRIATE ALL PUBLIC HEARING COMMENTS SHOULD BE ADDRESSED TO ME AS THE CHAIR OF THE COMMISSION AND NOT TO INDIVIDUAL COMMISSIONERS OR TO STAFF.
PLEASE TURN OFF ALL ELECTRONIC DEVICES.
IF YOU HAVE NOT ALREADY DONE SO PURSUANT TO CITY COUNCIL RESOLUTION NUMBER 1, 1 4 DASH 79, THE COMMISSIONER WHO HAS RECEIVED EVIDENCE RELATED TO A MATTER BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION, OTHER THAN AN UNDERSCORED VIEW OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS REQUIRED TO DISCLOSE SUCH INFORMATION AT THE HEARING.
AT THIS TIME, WE WILL TAKE COMMENTS FROM ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC ON ANY ITEM OF BUSINESS WITHIN THE JURISDICTION OF THE COMMISSION THAT IS NOT IN THE AGENDA UNDER STATE LAW.
NO ACTION CAN BE TAKEN AN ITEMS BROUGHT FORWARD UNDER PUBLIC COMMENT EXCEPT TO REFER IT TO STAFF FOR ADMINISTRATION OR PLACE IT IN ON A FUTURE AGENDA.
IS THERE ANYONE WHO WISHES TO ADDRESS THE CONDITION UNDER PUBLIC COMMENT, PLEASE COME FORWARD.
[CONSENT]
THE FIRST ITEM IS THE CONSENT CALENDAR AND A SINGLE MOTION WILL COVER ALL ITEMS ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR.DOES THE COMMISSION WISH TO PULL A CONSENT CALENDAR ITEM FOR DISCUSSION? MR. CHAIR, DOES THE STAFF WISH TO PULL A CONSENT CALENDAR ITEM FOR DISCUSSION? NO.
UM, IS THERE A MOTION? I MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE CONSENT CALENDAR.
AND THAT MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER VYAS.
SECOND BACK CONDITION ROSE, PLEASE VOTE.
MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF MEMBERS PRESENT.
[Public Hearing Item 2]
I WILL GO TO THE SECOND ITEM AGENDA.ITEM TWO IS THE MOLLISON MARKET OFF SALE ALCOHOL, AND IT'S A REQUEST ADD OFF-SALE ALCOHOL TOP 20 TO AN EXISTING CONVENIENCE STORE.
SICO EXEMPT AND STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS CONTINUANCE TO A DATE UNCERTAIN.
HOWEVER, I THINK WE NEED TO, UH, OPEN UP PUBLIC HEARING JUST IN CASE THERE'S SOMEBODY THAT WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS AGENDA ITEM AND THEN WE'LL CONTINUE IT FOR THE NEXT TIME.
IS THERE A OPEN UP, UP, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT? IS THERE ANYONE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? YOU KNOW, SO, UH, SHOULD WE VOTE ON THE CONTINUANCE,
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MR. CHAIRMAN AND COMMISSIONERS? I, UH, SUGGEST THAT YOU FIRST CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN VOTE ON THE CONTINUOUS CONTINUATION TO A DATE UNCERTAIN.I MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
SO TLA SECOND BY COMMISSIONER VOLUMES, PLEASE VOTE.
I'M STILL MISSING A COUPLE OF VOTES.
CAN I HAVE YOU START, TRY AGAIN, TRY IT AGAIN.
MOTION CARRIED BY UNANIMOUS CONSENT OF MEMBERS PRESENT.
AND ALSO MOVE TO CONTINUE THIS AGENDA ITEM AT, UH, UH, TO THE NEXT UNKNOWN DATE.
I CAN HAVE YOU MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF MEMBERS PRESENT.
SO THIS IS CONTINUED FOR ANOTHER TIME.
[Public Hearing Item 3]
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER THREE, THE PROJECT NAME IS QUICK TRIP INC.PROPANE TANK AND THE REQUEST IS TO CONSTRUCT A 10 FOOT TALL PROPANE TANK, SICO EXEMPT AND STUFF.
RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVE STUFF.
UM, THE PROPOSAL IS FOR A 10 FOOT TALL PROPANE TANK.
UM, IT'S SUBMITTED BY COMPARING ASSOCIATES ON BEHALF OF QUICK TRIP, INC.
UM, SO THE PROPOSAL INCLUDES, UH, THE 10 FOOT TALL PROPANE TANK, A CMU, UH, ENCLOSURE, UH, AND BOLLARDS AND THE REMOVAL OF TWO PARKING SPACES FROM AN EXISTING AUTOMOTIVE FUELING STATION, UH, ADDRESS THAT 5 96 NORTH MAULSON AVENUE.
THE, UH, PROJECT WAS WITHIN THE GENERAL COMMERCIAL GENERAL PLAN DESIGNATION AND HAS A CONSISTENT ZONING DESIGNATION OF CG GENERAL COMMERCIAL.
THE EXISTING AUTOMOTIVE FUELING STATION IS PERMITTED VIA CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT NUMBER 1805 A WHICH HAS BEEN AMENDED A NUMBER OF TIMES THROUGH THE YEARS.
UM, SPECIFIC PLANS NUMBERS 1 0 6 AND 2, 2 7 ALSO ARE APPLICABLE TO THE SITE.
UH, THEY ALLOW FOR INTERCONNECTING ACCESS AND SHARED PARKING BETWEEN THREE COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES, THE THREE PROPERTIES BEING THE, UM, THE AUTOMOTIVE FUELING STATION, THE MOTEL TO THE WEST.
SO TO THE REAR OF THE FUELING STATION AND AN ADJACENT THROUGH RESTAURANT.
UM, THE REASON THAT THIS MINOR AMENDMENT IS, UH, BEFORE YOU TONIGHT IS BECAUSE, UH, OUR, OUR POLICIES, UH, OR PLANNING PERMIT POLICIES FOR MINOR AMENDMENTS, UH, STATE THAT IF THERE'S A SPECIFIC ITEM OF CONCERN IN THE PROJECT RECORD, THAT THAT SHOULD COME BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR CONSIDERATION.
UM, IN THIS CASE, UH, THE PROJECT RECORD INCLUDES A LOT OF, UH, DELIBERATION REGARDING, UH, FUELING TRUCK EGRESS AND INGRESS INTO THE SITE.
UM, AND SO OBVIOUSLY ADDING A, ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, A DIFFERENT TYPE OF FUEL, BUT STILL FUEL, UH, TO THE SITE, UH, IS THE REASON WE BROUGHT IT TO YOU TODAY.
UM, SO HERE'S AN AERIAL IMAGE OF THE SITE.
UM, IT'S LOCATED JUST SOUTH OF THE
UM, I'VE HIGHLIGHTED HERE THE KIND OF THE STRANGE PROPERTY LINES THAT EXIST THERE AS YOU CAN SEE, THE, THE MOTEL TO THE WEST, UM, DOES NOT HAVE FRONTAGE ON A PUBLIC STREET.
AND SO THAT'S THE REASON FOR THAT SPECIFIC PLAN FOR INTERCONNECTING ACCESS.
UM, THE PROPOSED TANK, AS I'LL DISCUSS A LITTLE BIT LATER IS TO THE WEST OR TO THE REAR OF THAT EXISTING CONVENIENCE MARKET AT THE FUELING STATION, UM, WHICH WOULD NOT BE VISIBLE FROM NORTH BOSTON, BUT IS VISIBLE, UM, FROM THE FREEWAY EXIT OFF RAMP.
AND THIS IS PROBABLY ISN'T THE BEST MEDIUM TO TAKE IN THE SITE PLAN HERE.
UH, BUT AGAIN, TO THE WEST OF THAT EXISTING CONVENIENCE MARKET, YOU'LL SEE IN THE BUBBLE DIVERSION HERE, UH, WHERE THE PROPOSED TANK WOULD GO, IT'S NEXT TO SOME OTHER EXISTING EQUIPMENT, UH, LIKE A VACUUM STATION, A TRANSFORMER BOX AND THE TRASH ENCLOSURE.
SO I WON'T REITERATE AGAIN, BUT IT'S LOCATED TO THE REAR OF THE COMEDIANS MARKET.
IT'S NOT VISIBLE FROM THE STREET AND THE PUBLIC STREET.
UM, IT, THE PROPOSAL INCLUDES A, UH, LIKE A THREE WALL DESIGN CMU ENCLOSURE WITH BOLLARDS, WHICH WOULD BE SIMILAR TO THE EXISTING PROPANE TANK.
THAT'S AT THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, AGAIN, IT'S NEAR OTHER ACCESSORY EQUIPMENT.
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THE SITE STILL MEETS ITS PARKING REQUIREMENTS, EVEN IF THE REMOVAL OF THOSE TWO PARKING SPACES FOR THE NEW TANK.UM, AND THE, UH, THE SPECIFIC PLAN ALSO INCLUDES KIND OF AN, UH, AN ALREADY APPROVED EXHIBIT FOR CIRCULATION, FOR FUELING VEHICLES.
UM, THIS PROPOSAL WOULD NOT MODIFY, UH, TO ANY GREAT DEGREE THAT, UM, APPROVED FUELING VEHICLE CIRCULATION PATH, ESSENTIALLY, UM, THAT IS IN PLACE TO ENSURE THAT FUELING VEHICLES DON'T DRIVE ALL THE WAY AROUND THE MOTEL TO EXIT BACK ONTO NORTH MOLLISON.
THEY HAVE AN IMPROVED ROUTE TO COME IN BACK OUT AND TURN AROUND, UH, AND HERE'S A PHOTOCOPY OF A PHOTOCOPY OF A SCAN OF THAT DETAIL FROM AN OLD SPECIFIC PLAN.
UH, AND SO SOME OF THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL, UH, WOULD BE TO KIND OF UPDATE, UH, THE DIRECTIONAL SIGNAGE, THE NO PARKING SIGNAGE ON SOME OF THOSE DRIVE AISLES WHERE THE FUELING TRUCKS NEED TO TRAVERSE, UH, AND SOME SPECIFIC SIGNAGE FOR THE FUELING TRUCKS, SO THAT THEY KNOW, UH, THE APPROVED WAY TO INGRESS AND EGRESS FROM THE SITE.
UM, UH, CONDITIONS ALSO INCLUDE SOME CONDITIONS THAT WERE ON AN OLDER APPROVAL THAT WEREN'T NECESSARILY IMPLEMENTED, UH, FOR, YOU KNOW, DIRECTIONAL ARROWS ON THE GROUND AND THAT SORT OF, UH, SIGNAGE, UM, AND ALSO REQUIRES COMPLIANCE FOR, WITH OUR WINDOW REGULATIONS ON THE GROUND FLOOR.
UH, AND THEN A GENERAL REQUIREMENT TO UPKEEP LANDSCAPE, WHICH IS KIND OF INCLUDED WITH ALL OF OUR RECENT APPROVALS.
UH, THIS PROJECT IS EXEMPT FROM THE CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ACT, UH, PURSUANT TO SECTION 15, 3 0 3 FOR NEW STRUCTURES, UH, INCLUDING, YOU KNOW, SMALL ACCESSORY EQUIPMENT.
UM, STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL OF MINOR AMENDMENT 2021 DASH 0 0 0 5 SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS.
UM, SINCE THE CONFORMS WITH THE CG ZONE STANDARDS FOR AUTOMOTIVE FUELING, THIS WOULD PROMOTE A LOCAL BUSINESS TO MEET CUSTOMER DEMANDS AND KEEP HIS RATES LOW FOR THAT TYPE OF FUEL.
UH, AND THE PROPOSED CONDITIONS ADDRESS, YOU KNOW, THE ONGOING CONCERN OF FUELING VEHICLE INGRESS, EGRESS, AND SIGNAGE.
AND THAT CONCLUDES STAFF'S PRESENTATION.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, WE'RE HERE.
OH, COMMISSIONER, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? YES.
SO I JUST WANT, THIS IS MORE OF A CLARIFICATION.
SO I DID SEE THAT THERE WAS THE PREVIOUS CONDITION ABOUT THE DIRECTIONAL SIGNAGE.
SO IF IT WASN'T MET BEFORE, WHAT, I GUESS, WHAT GUARANTEES WOULD WE HAVE THAT IT WOULD BE MET THIS STORE? UH, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, UH, THAT, THAT LAST APPROVAL WAS ACTUALLY NEVER, UH, DEVELOPED.
UM, AND SO THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO MEET THOSE CONDITIONS.
WE WOULD HOLD A FINAL OF A BUILDING PERMIT AND SO FINAL INSPECTIONS UNTIL THEY'VE MET ALL THE CONDITIONS.
SO AS LONG AS THEY MOVE FORWARD AND CONSTRUCT THE PROPOSED TANK, WE WOULD REQUIRE THOSE CONDITIONS PRIOR TO FINAL THAT BUILDING PERMIT THE OTHER QUESTIONS.
UM, LET'S OPEN IT UP TO A PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, YOU MUST BE THE APPLICANT.
UH, COULD YOU COME UP PLEASE? AND DO YOU HAVE A STATEMENT OR ANYTHING YOU WANT TO SAY BEFORE WE START ASKING YOU QUESTIONS? WELL, UM, I REALLY DON'T HAVE TOO MUCH TO SAY, BUT, UH, I JUST WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT I AM ONE OF THE BIGGEST PROPERTIES SELLER IN SAN DIEGO, NORMALLY GAS STATION.
SO AMERICA HAS, CANNOT PROVIDE SERVICE MORE THAN TWICE A DAY, AND WE STILL RUN OUT.
AND THE REASON, OF COURSE, I'M SURE ALL OF YOU GUYS KNOW, I ALWAYS PROVIDE THE CHEAPEST PRICES IN TOWN, WHETHER IT'S GAS OR DIESEL OR PROPANE.
SO WITH TWO LOADS, WE STILL RUN AN OUT.
AND I WAS TRYING TO PUT A BIG ONE.
WHERE IS THE EXISTING ONE NOW? BECAUSE OF THE ROSA REGULATION, WE COULDN'T MEET THAT.
SO WE DECIDED TO DRAW ANOTHER ONE IN THE BACK.
WELL, IT DOESN'T AFFECT, UH, NOTHING REALLY.
AND THAT THE PROPANE TRUCKS ARE NOT THIS MIT.
THEY DON'T, THEY, THEY DON'T PUT THE PROPER IN AND THE BIG SEMI-TRUCKS, IT'S ONLY SMALL TRUCKS.
THEY CAN COME AND UNLOAD AND JUST BACK UP VERSUS, UH, THE SEMI, THE SEMI IS A LOT HARDER, BUT THEY DO, THEY ALL TRYING TO DO THE BACKUP AND GO.
SO THAT'S WHERE WE AT RIGHT NOW.
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WHAT IS YOUR NAME? EDDIE.HOW MANY IS IT? GALLONS OR LITERS? DOES IT HOLD, UH, GALLONS? THE ONE, THE ONE WE HAVE RIGHT NOW, IT'S 500.
THE ONE WE ADDING AS A THOUSAND GALLON DUBLIN.
AND WHEN, HOPEFULLY WITH THAT, WE'RE GOING TO DO ONE LOAD A DAY.
AND INSTEAD OF EVEN TWO OR THREE, AND THERE IS NO COMPANY THAT CAN PROVIDE YOU THREE TIMES DELIVERY IN ONE DAY.
AND BECAUSE OF THE PRICES, YOU KNOW, I GET, I GET PEOPLE FROM 45 MINUTES TO AN HOUR AWAY FROM US BECAUSE OF OUR PRICES BESIDE ALL ALCOHOL, I CAN TELL YOU PROBABLY 95% OF ALCOHOL.
THEY COME AND GET OUR PROPANE BECAUSE WE ARE 50 CENTS OR A DOLLAR CHEAPER, A GALLON AT SINCE OH THREE.
AND THE MOUSE IS LIKE THE COVID ANTHEM.
NOW IT'S UNUSUAL FOR GAS STATION TO SELL THAT MUCH.
BUT WE DO, I WAS, I WAS A BIG COMPETITION, WAS WITH COSTCO AND NOW COSTCO STOPPED SELLING IT.
SO, AND WE PICKED UP ALL THEIR BUSINESS TO.
UM, FELLOW COMMISSIONERS, YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? WELL, IT'S BEEN AWHILE SINCE WE'VE SEEN YOU.
I THINK LAST TIME, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS THE CARWASH OR THE APARTMENTS UPSTAIRS.
WE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA MAKE IT OIL CHANGE.
YOU'LL SEE ME FOR THAT THOUGH.
PROBABLY HOW'S THE UPSTAIRS APARTMENTS WORKING OUT FOR YOU.
IF I HAD ANOTHER THOUSAND OF THEM, THEY WOULD RENT IN NO TIME.
IN FACT, I GOT A PHONE CALL FROM MICHIGAN TODAY.
THEY WANT ONE BECAUSE I GET ONLY $930,000.
I ALWAYS BELIEVE THAT CHEAPER IS THE BETTER FOR THE COMMUNITY.
SO INSTEAD OF, INSTEAD OF I HAVE 17 APARTMENT SEVEN, I'M ON MY LEASE AND NAMED BACON.
I GO WITH $300 CHEAPER AND NO VACANCIES, ZERO SINCE.
YEAH, SINCE I GOT APPROVED UNTIL NOW I HAVE ZERO, ZERO VACANCY, BUT 900 WITH WASHER AND DRYER INSIDE, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S UNHEARD OF HOW MUCH IS YOUR DIESEL GOING FOR RIGHT NOW FOR 19.
AND THERE'S THE CHEVRON? A 4 79, 60 CENT CHEAPER.
AND I HAVE A THOUSAND, A THOUSAND CUSTOMER.
THEY TELL ME THEIR STEERING WHEEL.
YEAH, BECAUSE IT'S, SINCE ALL THREE, UNTIL NOW, LOW THE LOWEST PRICES IN TOWN SELLING THE HIGH-OCTANE STUFF TOO.
YOU'RE THE ONE-STOP SHOP YOUR CORNER IN THE MARKET.
WELL, WE APPRECIATE YOUR BUSINESS.
YOU'VE DONE ABOUT EVERYTHING YOU CAN DO ON THAT PIECE OF LAND.
AND YOU'LL SEE THE OIL CHANGE IS GOING TO BE ONE OF THE CHEAPEST PRICES IN TOWN.
IT'S ALL ABOUT VOLUME, RIGHT? WELL, UM, AS FAR AS GAS, I DO OVER 300,000 GALLONS, A JUST IN GAS AND PROPANE, WE DO 800 TO A THOUSAND A DAY.
BUT W OUT OF PROFIT IS NOT AS MUCH AS THE OTHERS, BUT WE DO IT THE VOLUME.
IT MAKES SENSE TO JUST THROW IN A SMOG SHOP THERE TOO.
WELL, BECAUSE OF THE RESIDENTIAL, THEY DON'T WANT THE SMOKE TO BE IN THE, WHICH MAKES SENSE.
HEY, YOU'RE GOING TO KILL IT ON THE OIL CHANGES.
BUT I THINK OIL CHANGE, IT WILL BE AN IDEAL, LESS TRAFFIC.
EVERYBODY WAS COMPLAINING AND I MAKE TOO MUCH TRAFFIC THERE, ESPECIALLY THE MATTEL GUIDEWIRE.
THEY DON'T ADMIT THAT WE HAVE THE CHEAPEST PRICES IN TOWN.
HOW ARE YOU IN THE MOTEL NEIGHBOR DOING THESE DAYS? OH, SINCE THE LAST MEETING, WE WAS A WAR AND WE WORK IT OUT.
I, OF COURSE I HAD TO HIRE AN ATTORNEY AND STRAIGHT HIM OUT.
CAUSE HE DIDN'T KNOW NOTHING ABOUT HIS PROPERTY LINE.
AND HE THOUGHT THE SIGN THAT I HAVE ON MOLLISON WAS HIS.
SO MY ATTORNEY HAD TO PROVE EVERYTHING TO HIM THAT HE WAS WRONG AND SET IT DOWN.
HE HAD THE CUFFS ON MONEY TO SETTLE HIM DOWN.
I'M SURPRISED MR. HANNAH, THAT YOU HAVEN'T PURCHASED THE MOTEL AND THE RESTAURANT.
YOU KNOW WHAT? I CAN NOT REGRET.
AND I HEARD THIS UNDER ESCROW.
NOW, IF I KNEW I WOULD HAVE JUMPED ON IT AND JUST GET THE WHOLE CIRCLE THAT WAY, AT LEAST THIS TIME, THERE WAS NOBODY AGAINST ME.
IT'S AN UNUSUAL, NORMALLY THERE IS TWO, THREE OR FOUR AND AGAINST ANYTHING I WANT TO DO, VERSUS WHEN THEY DO ANYTHING, I'M NEVER AGAINST THEM.
THEY JUST DON'T WANT TO GET ALONG.
OR THEY WERE PROBABLY JEALOUS OF, BECAUSE I WAS DOING GOOD, WHICH I COULD SEE THE RESTAURANT, THE TACO BELL, HE WAS AGAINST ME.
WELL GO BECAUSE OF GETTING $12,000 A MONTH.
AND INSTEAD OF YOU REDUCE IT, YOU LET THEM RUN OUT.
BUT YOU'RE COMING AFTER ME BECAUSE I'M DOING TOO GOOD.
YOU DON'T WANT ME TO ADD ANOTHER PUMP? YEAH.
HOW DOES THE PUMP AFFECT YOUR RESTAURANT?
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ACTUALLY, ALL MY CUSTOMER.THEY COME ON, THEY COME FROM THE HIGHWAY, THEY GET THE FUEL AND THEY GO EAT OR THEY GET A ROOM AT THE HOTEL, BUT THEY DON'T LIKE THAT.
BUT THEY, THEY WERE JUST JEALOUS.
SO IS THIS, UM, THIS NEW TANK, WILL IT BE IN ADDITION TO THE EXISTING TANK THEN? SO YOU, YES, BECAUSE OTHERWISE YOU'RE JUST MEETING THE CAPACITY BEFORE 'CAUSE CAUSE THEY DON'T MAKE THEM ANY BIGGER THAN A THOUSAND FOR SAFETY REASON.
SO WE HAVE ALREADY THE 500 AND WE ADD AN A THOUSAND IN THE BAG AND OF COURSE IT'S GOING TO BE SECURE WITH THE POST AND ALL THAT.
AND I THINK THEY GOING TO REQUIRE ENCLOSURE.
SO WE'LL DO WHATEVER IT TAKES TO MAKE IT A REALLY SECURE AND SAFE FOR ONE DELIVERY.
THEN THERE'LL BE ABLE TO LOAD BOTH.
AND THAT SHOULD BE ALL YOU'D NEED.
HOPEFULLY WE'LL BE DONE FOR THE DAY.
UH, I MOVED TO CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING.
THAT MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER.
SO TLA SECOND BY COMMISSIONER MOROSE, PLEASE VOTE.
I MUST VOTE OF MEMBERS PRESENT.
UH, POSSIBLY SHOULD ASK IF THERE'S ANYBODY ELSE THEY WANTED TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, BUT I DIDN'T SEE ANYBODY ELSE.
UH, SO WHAT, UH, WHAT DO YOU THINK? ANYTHING IF THEY NEED THE PROPANE BUILD IT? YEAH.
THAT'S A POPULAR GAS STATION, RIGHT? DO I HEAR A MOTION NOW? SECOND.
MOTION BY COMMISSIONER POLICH.
MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.
[Public Hearing Item 4]
OKAY.NUMBER FOUR, PROJECT NAME IS ZONING CODE UPDATE.
AND THE REQUEST IS ZONING CODE AMENDMENT C CO EXEMPT RECOMMEND CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL, UH, STAFF.
I WAS CHAIRMAN OF COMMISSIONERS.
UH, THIS IS THE, UH, ZONING CODE UPDATE, UM, UH, FOR THIS YEAR.
UM, YOU MAY RECALL, UM, THAT THE STAFF CAME TO YOU IN JANUARY AND TALKED ABOUT WHAT OPPORTUNITIES EXISTED IN THE, UM, IN UPDATING THE ZONING CODE AND SPECIFICALLY AS IT RELATED TO, UM, ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITIES THAT STAFF HAD, UH, SHARED WITH THE PLAN COMMISSION, UM, AS A RESULT OF THE PANDEMIC, UM, THIS UPDATE ALSO INCLUDES, UM, CLARIFICATION'S, UM, UH, SOME STREAMLINING OPPORTUNITIES UPDATING LAND USE TABLES.
UM, STABLISH SEEING SOME OBJECTIVE STANDARDS FOR, UM, SPECIFIC USES.
UM, AGAIN, REDUCING THE PERMIT REVIEW LEVELS TO HELP STREAMLINE, PERMITTING AND FACILITATE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
SO THE FIRST ITEM THAT WE'D LIKE TO DISCUSS IS THAT, UH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S ROLE, UM, AS A RESULTS FROM PLANNING AND LAND USE LAW HERE IN CALIFORNIA, UM, PLANNING COMMISSION'S ROLE ON LEGISLATIVE ACTIONS IS A RECOMMENDATION, UH, LEGISLATIVE BODY AS A CITY COUNCIL.
SO THE PLANNING COMMISSION MAKES A RECOMMENDATION ON A GENERAL, A GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT CHANGE, OR A SPECIFIC PLAN, SPECIFIC PLAN AMENDMENT, OR A ZONING CODE.
THOSE CAN ONLY BE DECIDED ON BY THE LEGISLATIVE BODY, WHICH IS THE CITY COUNCIL.
WE ARE PROPOSING UPDATE THE CODE TO REFLECT THAT AND THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S ROLE IS AN ADVISORY BODY.
UM, ALSO THAT, UM, IN THE ZONING CODE, THE CITY COUNCIL CAN DIRECT AN AMENDMENT OF THE ZONING CODE BY THEIR ACTION AT A PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, SINCE A ZONING CODE AMENDMENT IS AN A, THE ZONING CODE IS AN ORDINANCE, A SPECIFIC PLAN, UH, FUNCTIONS AS THE SAME.
AND WE ARE PROPOSING TO HAVE THE SAME INITIATION, UH, LANGUAGE IN THAT SECTION OF THE ZONING CODE.
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SO A TEMPORARY USES A TEMPORARY USE PERMIT IS A STREAMLINED PERMITTING, UH, PROCESS FOR SHORT, UH, A SHORT DURATION OF SPECIFIC USES.UH, THERE IS SOME, UM, CLARIFICATION NEEDED IN THE ZONING CODE AS IT RELATES TO AMUSEMENTS.
AND WE'RE JUST KIND OF TRYING TO OPEN THAT UP A LITTLE BIT TO ADD OTHER TYPES OF AMUSEMENTS THAT WE AREN'T ABLE TO CAPTURE IN THE, IN THE DEFINITIONS OF THE TEMPORARY USE SECTION OF ZONING CODE.
ONE, UH, TEMPORARY USE THAT WE DO NOT HAVE IDENTIFIED AS CONSTRUCTION LAY DOWNS.
YOU MAY SEE THESE, UM, IN COMMERCIAL AREAS, UM, INDUSTRIAL AREAS MOST RECENTLY, YOU MAY SEE HAVE SEEN THEM AS HELIX WATER DISTRICT HAS GONE THROUGH THE CITY AND DOING A LOT OF WORK AND THEY IDENTIFY PROPERTIES, UH, THAT THEY NEED FOR, UM, THEIR EQUIPMENT.
UH, WE THINK THAT WE SHOULD BE, UM, IDENTIFYING THOSE, UM, AND PERMITTING THOSE THROUGH A TEMPORARY USE PERMIT.
SO WE CAN INCLUDE SUCH MEASURES OF, UM, SECURITY, STORMWATER, UM, AND SOME OTHER COMPATIBILITY CONDITIONS SO THAT THEY FUNCTION WELL WHERE WHEREVER THEY MAY BE IN ANY COMMERCIAL OR INDUSTRIAL ZONE, UM, FOOD TRUCKS, AND TRAILERS.
SO FOOD TRUCKS ARE CURRENTLY, I, UH, REQUIRED AN ADMINISTRATIVE ZONING PERMIT.
IT'S A, IT'S A LOW-LEVEL PERMIT, MEANING THAT IT'S, UM, UM, PROCESSED BY THE STAFF, BUT IT DOES TAKE A BIT LONGER THAN A TEMPORARY USE PERMIT.
UH, WE THINK THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY HERE TO HELP STREAMLINE FOOD TRUCK PERMITTING ON, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, IDENTIFY PROPERTIES.
WE THINK THIS A, A ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY TO STREAMLINE THE PERMITTING PROCESS FOR THESE FOLKS.
UH, WE ALSO THINK WE NEED TO IDENTIFY FOOD TRUCKS TO INCLUDE TRAILERS.
UM, WE HAVE SEEN THESE FOOD TYPE TRUCK OPERATIONS, UM, IN, UM, IN CAPACITY A TRAILER.
UM, SO WE THINK WE NEED TO CLARIFY THAT, UM, WE ALSO NEED TO IDENTIFY THAT THEY ARE ALLOWED IN COMMERCIAL, INDUSTRIAL ZONES, UM, IN THE LAND USE TABLES.
WE THINK THERE'S ALSO, UM, SOME PERFORMANCE STANDARDS THAT NEED TO BE INCLUDED.
WE THINK WE PUT THOSE IN THE ZONING CODE, THAT'LL HELP, UM, WITH THE PERMITTING, UM, AND MAKE IT CLEAR TO THE USER WHAT THE EXPECTATIONS ARE.
AND IF THEY, UM, APPLICANT WISHES DO TO DO MORE THAN WHAT'S IDENTIFIED IN THE PERFORMANCE STANDARDS OF, OF, UH, WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED, UH, THEY MAY DEVIATE FROM THAT THROUGH TO ADMINISTRATIVE ZONING PROCESS.
SO IF THEY WANT TO DO SOMETHING THAT'S MORE THAN WHAT'S BEEN IDENTIFIED IN THE ZONING CODE, THEN THERE'S A PERMIT PROCESS TOO, TO LET THEM GO THROUGH A, UM, UH, PROCESSES TO, TO, UM, DO THE, UH, THE FOOD TRUCK IN THE MANNER THAT THEY THINK THEY CAN'T DO WITHIN THE ZONING CODE, AS IT IS, UH, EARLIER THIS YEAR, THE CITY COUNCIL AS PART OF THEIR, UM, UH, PRIORITY GOAL SESSION HAD IDENTIFIED THAT THE AREA AROUND IN THE DOWNTOWN NEAR THE FREEWAY HAD BEEN VACANT FOR QUITE SOME TIME.
AND THERE HASN'T BEEN ANY CHANGE OF USE AS ENVISIONED IN THE DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN.
AND THEY FELT THAT, UH, THERE MAY BE A RESTRICTION ON THE TYPE OF USES THAT'S PREVENTING DEVELOPMENT AND ON THOSE PROPERTIES.
SO THEY HAVE ASKED THAT THOSE PROPERTIES THAT ARE NORTH OF MADISON ON MAGNOLIA, THAT WITHIN THE DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN BE ALLOWED TO REDEVELOP WITH USES THAT ARE NORMALLY FOUND ADJACENT TO A FREEWAY.
SO FREEWAY ORIENTED USES SUCH AS LODGING CHARGING AND FUELING STATIONS, CONVENIENCE MARKETS, RESTAURANTS, AND THE OPPORTUNITY FOR A, UM, A DRIVE-THROUGH COMPONENT WITH A BUSINESS.
CAN WE TALK ABOUT THAT ONE FOR A MINUTE? ABSOLUTELY.
SO ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THE MAGNOLIA MADISON RIGHT THERE? YES.
THAT REMEMBER WE NEVER WANTED LIKE A CHICK-FIL-A OR SOMETHING OR STARBUCKS DRIVE THROUGH, ARE YOU SAYING THAT THAT'S NOT THAT WE'RE GOING TO GET THAT, BUT ARE YOU SAYING WE'RE ALLOWING THAT NOW WE'RE SAYING THAT THERE'S NOW AN OPPORTUNITY FOR, UH, SUCH A USE.
AND HE USED TO BE A GAS STATION THERE, THERE WAS.
AND I THOUGHT IT WAS CONTAMINATED THE GROUND AND THAT'S CORRECT.
SO, BUT NOW A GAS STATION CAN GO THERE AGAIN.
THE PROPERTY HAS BEEN CLEARED BY DEH DEPART DEPARTMENT, ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH, UM, A GAS OR A FUELING STATION COULD LOCATE THERE, BUT THEY WOULD BE SUBJECT TO A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
SO WE STILL, THE PLANNING COMMISSION WOULD STILL HAVE TO MAKE THE FINDINGS.
AND IN ORDER TO GRANT A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AT THAT LOCATION, THESE USES ARE NOT AUTOMATIC, UM, UH, CHARGING OR FUELING STATIONS DO REQUIRE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT
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EX UM, UH, RESTAURANTS AND, AND USES THAT MAY HAVE AN ACCESSORY DRIVE-THROUGH DO REQUIRE A SITE DEVELOPMENT PLAN PERMIT.SO THERE'S STILL, UM, A REVIEW PROCESS.
CAN I ASK A QUESTION? I DIDN'T KNOW.
I COULD ASK A QUESTION WHILE YOU WERE PRESENTING COURSE.
THIS IS THE NEWBIE, SORRY, I'M JUST, THIS IS STEPPING BACK ON THE FOOD TRUCK AND TRAILER, UM, PRES UH, PART, UM, AND ALL I CAN THINK OF IS THAT CHICKEN CHARLIE'S THING THAT WAS IN THE GROSSMONT SHOPPING CENTER MALL FOR A LONG TIME, I THOUGHT IT WAS ONLY GOING TO BE A COUPLE MONTHS BECAUSE THERE WAS NO FAIR AND IT WENT ON AND ON AND ON.
WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD, WE COULD SEE POTENTIALLY UNDER WOULD THAT FALL UNDER THIS, OR WOULD THAT FALL UNDER SOMETHING ELSE? AND CAN WE HAVE A HEALTHIER OPTION IF IT DOES HAPPEN? UH, ONE UNDER THE DEFINITION OF FOOD, TRUCK AND TRAILER, I DON'T SEE THAT FOOD TRUCK AND TRAILER AND WHAT WAS OPERATING AT GROSSMONT, UM, SHOPPING CENTER, THE SAME.
I THINK OUR DEFINITION OF FOOD, TRUCK AND TRAILERS IS, UM, PRETTY EXPLICIT OF WHAT THE, WHAT WAS THAT GROSSMONT WAS MORE OF A STRUCTURE.
UH, I WOULD SAY IT WAS BEYOND A KIOSK OR BOOTH.
SO WE DO, THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR A KIOSK OR BOOTH TO DELIVER SERVICES TO THE PUBLIC, BUT WHAT WE, OR AT LEAST I PERSONALLY OBSERVED AT GROSSMONT SHOPPING CENTER WAS BEYOND WHAT'S ENVISIONED IN THE ZONING CODE OR IDENTIFIED IN THE ZONING CODE IS A BOOTH KIOSK OR FOOD TRUCK.
I WOULD NOT EXPECT TO SEE SOMETHING SIMILAR, THE IDEA OF FOOD TRUCK OR TRAILERS THAT THEY'RE TRANSIENT AND TEMPORARY.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION CITY COUNCIL HAD BEEN AT VISION ENVISIONED WHEN THEY HAD MADE THE CHANGE TO THE ZONING CODE TO ALLOW SUCH USES.
AND WITH THAT BEING SAID, LET'S SAY, UH, A TRADER OR A TRUCK WANTS TO PUT AN AWNING OR A CANOPY WITH TABLES AND CHAIRS UNDER IT.
WOULD THAT CHANGE THE ENTIRE PICTURE, OR WOULD THAT BE AN ACCEPTABLE STEPH THINKS THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR TABLES AND CHAIRS.
SO IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO HAVE A BIT OF A RESPITE IN FRONT OF THE FOOD TRUCK OR TRAILER, WE THINK THAT THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT ON SELECT SITES.
THEY MAY NOT BE AVAILABLE ON EVERY SITE, BUT SAY, FOR EXAMPLE, IF PARKWAY PLAZA WANTED TO HAVE A FOOD TRUCK OR TRAILER, OR MAYBE HAVE A GROUP OF THEM THAT KIND OF CREATED A SPACE AND ACTIVATED OF THE PARKING LOTS, THERE WOULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR TABLES AND CHAIRS.
AND IF IT'S DURING THE SUMMER, THERE COULD BE, UM, UMBRELLAS, UH, PROVIDING SHADE, EXCUSE ME.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THUS FAR? OKAY.
SO ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE ECONOMIC, UM, DEVELOPMENT IDEAS THAT WAS PRESENTED TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION EARLIER IN THE YEAR WAS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR OUTDOOR DISPLAY FOR BUSINESSES.
UM, I THINK THE PLANNING COMMISSION FELT THAT IF THE AREA WAS IDENTIFIED, UM, IN FRONT OF THE STORE, UH, THAT IT WAS, UM, STRUCTURED IN A WAY THAT IT DID NOT OVERLOAD THE FRONT STOREFRONT, WHERE IT BECAME MORE OF A NUISANCE INSTEAD OF AN ACCESSORY.
UM, AND THAT IT DIDN'T, UM, COMPROMISE SAFETY, EITHER PARKING OR PEDESTRIAN.
UM, STAFF HAS PROPOSED THAT THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES FOR GENERAL RETAIL DISPLAY IN FRONT OF A STOREFRONT UP TO 24 SQUARE FEET.
SO THINK OF THE SIZE OF A PALLET AS 24 SQUARE FEET, SIX BY FOUR.
UM, AND THAT, UM, SEPARATELY REGULATED PRODUCTS WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO BE DISPLAYED OUTSIDE.
SO THINK ABOUT, UM, ALCOHOL AUTOMOTIVE, PARTS, TOBACCO VAPING, ET CETERA.
THE ZONING CODE CURRENTLY ALLOWS, UH, TASTING ROOMS WHERE ALCOHOL IS PRODUCED IN THE MANUFACTURING ZONE.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, YOU COULD HAVE A BREWERY, UM, IN THE MANUFACTURING ZONE WHERE THEY'RE PRODUCING, UH, BEER.
AND PART OF THAT BREWERY CAN HAVE, UM, A TASTING ROOM.
THE CODE CURRENTLY IDENTIFIES 15% OF THE FLOOR AREA MAY BE DEDICATED TO TASTING.
AND WE THINK THAT THAT IS A BIT RESTRICTIVE ON COMPARED TO OTHER CITIES IN THE COUNTY, UM, HERE IN ALCOHOL, BECAUSE THE WEATHER GETS, YOU KNOW, MOST OF THE TIME IS PRETTY DARN GOOD.
UH, THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR SOME OF, UH, FOR THE BREWERIES TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THEIR OUTDOOR AREAS.
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THAT, THAT, THAT MEANS THAT THEIR TASTING ROOM AREA WOULD STILL BE LIMITED TO THE 15%.SO, UM, TO BE IN LINE WITH OTHER JURISDICTIONS AND TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF OUTDOOR AREAS, STAFF'S PROPOSING THAT, UH, WITH ALCOHOL PRODUCTION, SUCH AS A BREWERY, THAT THE TASTING ROOM, UM, COULD BE UP TO 25% AND THAT CAN BE INDOOR AND OR OUTDOOR.
SO IT WOULDN'T BE 25% INDOOR AND 25% OUTDOOR, IT WOULD BE 25% TOTAL, BUT THEY COULD ALSO USE A FUNCTIONAL OUTDOOR AREAS.
IF, UM, IF A BREWERY WANTED GO ABOVE THAT STANDARD, THEN THEY COULD, UM, UH, APPLY FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
AND STAFF IS PROPOSING REMOVING THE HOURS OF OPERATION.
SO RIGHT NOW THERE'S A PERFORMANCE STANDARDS IN THE CODE THAT SUCH BUSINESSES MUST CLOSE BY 10, OR AT LEAST CEASE THE TASTING ROOM, UM, SERVICE BY 10 O'CLOCK.
BUT WE FIND IN THE INDUSTRIAL AREA THAT 99% OF THE BUSINESSES ARE GONE BY SIX.
YOU KNOW, MOST OF THESE ARE DAYTIME USES.
WE DON'T THINK THAT THERE'S A COMPATIBILITY ISSUE WITH, UM, RESTRICTING HOURS OF OPERATION OF A TASTING ROOM.
AND WE ALSO FOUND THAT FOLKS WHO USUALLY GO TO THE TASTING ROOMS ON FRIDAY OR SATURDAY, OR THEY WISH TO BE THERE LONG PAST 10 O'CLOCK.
A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED TO THE CITY COUNCIL AND THEY ADOPTED THAT IN THE CRS ZONE AND THE REGIONAL COMMERCIAL ZONE INSTEAD OF A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, BEING THE, UH, THE NECESSARY PERMIT TO PROCESS ON SALE AT A RESTAURANT THEY, UM, ALLOWED FOR A MINOR USE PERMIT.
SO IT STILL FUNCTIONS AS A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT JUST DOES NOT REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING AND IT'S AT THE STAFF LEVEL.
SO IT HELPS US STREAMLINE THE PERMIT PRO UH, PROCESS FOR ALCOHOL SERVICE, UH, AT RESTAURANTS IN COMMERCIAL, UH, REGIONAL COMMERCIAL ZONES.
SO THE REGIONAL COMMERCIAL ZONE PRIMARILY IS AROUND PARKWAY PLAZA.
SO IF YOU THINK ABOUT WHERE THE TARGET IS, AND THEN HEAD WEST TO MARSHALL, AND THEN DOWN TO EIGHT, THAT IS YOUR REGIONAL COMMERCIAL ZONE.
UH, THERE'S ALSO A PORTION OF REGIONAL COMMERCIAL HERE IN THE DOWNTOWN, UM, CITY HALL AREA, THE NORTH SIDE OF MAIN STREET ON MAGNOLIA.
UM, I BELIEVE THE, UH, SHOPPING CENTER WHERE 24 HOUR FITNESS IS LOCATED AND THE PROPERTY WHERE MOTORWORLD IS, AND RUBIO'S ARE, THEY ARE IN THE CRS ZONE.
SO THE SAME, UH, AFFORDS TO THEM, BUT IN THE END AND IN THE DOWNTOWN, UNDER THE DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN, OTHER USES OTHER THAN A RESTAURANT MAY HAVE ALCOHOL SERVICE.
SO THEATERS, ENTERTAINMENT, VENUES, UH, MUSEUMS, SPORTING ACTIVITIES, THEY'RE IDENTIFIED TO, UM, UH, TO HAVE, UH, INCIDENTAL ON SALES, UH, BEVERAGE ALCOHOL SERVICE WITH THEIR, UM, PRINCIPAL USE AND STAFF IS PROPOSING THAT, AND THEY THINK STAFF THINKS THIS IS A GOOD IDEA TO ALLOW THE SAME AT PARKWAY PLAZA.
SO PARKWAY PAUSES GOVERNED BY SPECIFIC PLAN 19.
AND WE ARE PROPOSING TO ADD THAT SAME LANGUAGE THAT ALLOWS FOR SUCH ALCOHOL SERVICE IN THE DOWNTOWN AT PARKWAY PLAZA.
UM, AND THAT, THAT WHOLE LAND AREA THAT'S GOVERNED BY SPECIFIC PLAN 19.
SO FROM HIGHWAY 67, UH, WHERE, UM, BEST BUY AND, AND APPLEBEE'S IS LOCATED ALL THE WAY OVER TO THE SERITAGE PROPERTY WHERE, UH, YOU HAVE, UH, WELL, ALL THE WAY TO JOHNSON, BASICALLY.
SO SOMETIME AGO, UH, THE, THE CITY COUNCIL, UM, CHANGED THE ZONING CODE TO ALLOW FOR VEHICLES THAT ARE PARKED ADJACENT TO LANDSCAPE PLANTERS IN THE FRONT TO OVERHANG.
AND DURING SOME RE UH, SOME ZONING CODE UPDATES POST 2010, THAT LANGUAGE WAS LEFT OUT.
UM, THIS WAS DISCOVERED BY STAFF ABOUT A YEAR AND A YEAR AND A HALF AGO.
AND SO WE WERE PROPOSING TO BRING THAT BACK IN, UH, WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT, UH, VEHICLES, UH, PROPERTIES HAVE TO DEVELOP NEW NEW DEVELOPMENTS, HAVE TO HAVE A 10 FOOT LANDSCAPE AREA IN COMMERCIAL ZONES.
UM, PARKING THAT'S ADJACENT TO THAT IS NOW PROPOSED TO OVERHANG.
AND WHAT THAT DOES IS AT LEAST IN SAS, MAN, MINE GIVES ANOTHER TWO FEET OF LESS ASPHALT AND A LITTLE BIT MORE OPPORTUNITY TO DEVELOP WITH A LARGER BUILDING OR MORE OUTDOOR AREAS.
UM, AND BASICALLY BRINGING BACK WHAT WAS ONCE IN THE CODE.
WE ALSO THINK THAT, UM, THERE'S SOME CLARIFICATION NEEDED IN, UM, THE BACKING
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UP OF SPACE AND ALLOW FOR, UM, OVERHANG WHEN VEHICLES ARE BACKING OUT OF PARKING SPACES, PRIMARILY IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS WHERE, UM, DRIVEWAY AND BACKUP WITH AND LANDSCAPING ARE KIND OF CONFLICTING WITH EACH OTHER AND RESTRICTING DEVELOPMENT.UM, FOR NEW RESIDENTIAL PROJECTS, WE'RE PROPOSING STAFF IS PROPOSING A, UM, UM, REMOVING VOCATIONAL TRADE SCHOOLS AND IDENTIFYING THOSE AS OTHER USES, NOT LISTED IN THE COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL, UM, PARKING TABLE.
UM, STAFF BELIEVES THAT THIS IS MORE APPROPRIATE FOR THEM TO BE IN OTHER USES, NOT LISTED CATEGORY WHERE DEPENDING ON THE SCHOOL REALLY D TYPE SCHOOL TYPE REALLY DETERMINES THEIR PARKING DEMAND.
AND THERE'S ALREADY A SECTION IN THE LAND USE OR THE PARKING TABLE THAT ALLOWS THE DIRECTOR TO DETERMINE THE PARKING NEED.
AND SO WE'RE ASKING THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO MOVE VOCATIONAL AND TRADE SCHOOLS INTO THIS OTHER USES NOT LISTED CATEGORY.
OH, WE'RE ALSO, UM, UM, NEEDING TO FIX SOME GRAMMAR IN THE PARKING TABLE AS WELL.
HOUSEHOLD PETS ARE, UH, CLEARLY IDENTIFIED IN THE ZONING CODE TO ONLY BE ALLOWED IN CORE RESIDENTIAL ZONES.
WE THINK THIS IS A PROBLEM BECAUSE WE DO HAVE, OR RESIDENTIAL UNITS AND OTHER ZONES.
SO THINK ABOUT A CARETAKER UNIT THAT MIGHT BE IN A COMMERCIAL ZONE OR EVEN IN AN INDUSTRIAL ZONE.
AND SO WE JUST WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT ANY HOUSEHOLD OR ANY RESIDENTS CAN HAVE THEIR PETS.
UM, YOU'VE BEEN CHICKENS, NO CHICKEN, NO, SIR.
THOSE ARE SPECIFICALLY REGULATED TO ONLY BE ALLOWED IN RESIDENTIAL ZONES.
UM, BUT YOU CAN'T HAVE YOUR DOG AND CATS AT YOUR CARETAKERS UNIT IN A COMMERCIAL OR INDUSTRIAL ZONE.
WELL, LIKE THE PROPERTY, WE'RE JUST HEARING ABOUT WHERE THERE'S APARTMENTS OVER A GAS STATION, RIGHT.
SO THAT WOULD BE, WELL, IF THE STRICT INTERPRETATION OF THE CODE WOULD SAY THAT THEY COULDN'T HAVE DOGS AND CATS AND ISN'T IT SENIOR APARTMENTS.
I, A HUNDRED PERCENT AGREE WITH THAT.
THIS IS, UH, THIS IS NOT NECESSARILY CONSIDERED HOUSEHOLD, BUT WHAT ABOUT LIKE THE FERAL CATS WHERE SOME OF THE PROPERTIES, SOMETIMES EVEN BUSINESSES WILL GET SPAYED AND NEUTERED, UH, FERAL CATS TO JUST HELP TO, YOU KNOW, MAINTAIN CRITTER CONTROL.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE SEPARATE OR JUST WOULDN'T EVEN REALLY BE REGULATED UNLESS IT BECOMES A PUBLIC NUISANCE, NOT EVEN REGULATED BY THE ZONING CODE, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE ADDRESSED BY, UM, UH, HUMANE SOCIETY WHO NOW MANAGES OUR ANIMAL SHELTER AND ENFORCEMENT AND, AND ONE OTHER ITEM.
SO CURRENTLY THE ZONING CODE PROHIBITS, UM, VEHICLE OCCUPATION ON A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY.
SO YOU CAN'T LIVE IN YOUR RV OR TRAILER.
UM, BUT THERE'S SOME, UM, AMBIGUITY THAT'S BEEN IDENTIFIED AS BY STAFF.
UM, WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED IS TO, UH, CLARIFY OR REMOVE THAT AMBIGUITY.
SO THE EXISTING, UM, FOR RESIDENTIAL, THE ZONING CODE SAYS THAT, UM, YOU MAY NOT HAVE AN UNOCCUPIED, UH, OR YOU CAN NOT OCCUPY RECREATIONAL VEHICLE, MEANING LIVE IN WA THAT'S LOCATED WITHIN THE EXTERIOR SETBACK, WHICH MEANS YOUR FRONT YARD AREA.
UM, WE'RE CLARIFYING THAT TO MEAN THE ENTIRE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY, UM, BECAUSE THE PLANNING COMMISSION MIGHT WANT TO CONSIDER THAT THE ZONING CODE IS A PERMISSIVE ZONING CODE.
SO IDENTIFIES WHAT YOU CAN DO.
IT JUST LISTS WHAT YOU CAN DO.
AND IF IT'S SILENT, THAT MEANS YOU CAN'T.
SO THERE'S A NEED FOR CLARIFICATION HERE, WHICH WE THINK IS NECESSARY, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT PROGRAM.
I KNOW THAT SOME PEOPLE AIRBNB, A RV OR SOMETHING ON THEIR PROPERTY, UM, AND WITH THIS, THAT MEANS TECHNICALLY YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO DO THAT.
THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE DOING IT NOW.
NO, I KNOW, BUT I JUST, I MEAN, IS THERE ANY ENFORCEMENT ON THAT BECAUSE I KNOW IT'S, I MEAN, SOME PEOPLE EVEN LISTED IN THE MLS SERVICE THAT, YEAH.
SO I WAS JUST CURIOUS ONCE WE BECOME AWARE THAT IT WILL HAVE TO
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BE ADDRESSED.SO I JUST HAVE A QUESTION BECAUSE I, DURING MY TIME ON THE HOMELESS TASK FORCE, I THOUGHT THAT THE STATE ACTUALLY MADE IT WORSE BECAUSE THEY WERE TRYING TO DEAL WITH HOMELESSNESS AND THOUGHT THAT WAS PART OF A SOLUTION AS THAT THEY WERE ALLOWING PEOPLE TO LIVE IN RVS AND THINGS ON PEOPLE'S PROPERTY.
UM, OUR UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE STATE DID ALLOW FOR FOLKS WHO, UM, TO SLEEP IN THEIR CARS OR RVS IF IT'S PARKED, PARKED IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT AWAY, BUT NOT, BUT, UM, NOTHING HAS COME DOWN FROM THE STATE THAT PROHIBITS LOCAL LEVEL FROM PROHIBITING SUCH HABITATION IN AN RV OR TRAILER.
MAYBE WE'LL JUST GET A MENTION, OH, WELL, SOME THINGS THAT LIKE SPENCER WAS THIS POINTING OUT TO ME IS THAT THE ZONING CODE CURRENTLY DOES ALLOW FOR A EMERGENCY HOUSING OPERATION ON SELECT SLOT SITES THAT QUALIFY.
SO THE PLANNING COMMISSION MAY REMEMBER THAT IT WAS JUST A FEW YEARS AGO THAT YOU MADE A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL TO ALLOW FOR EMERGENCY HOUSING ON SELECT SITES THAT MAY MET CERTAIN CRITERIA.
SO, UM, AND, AND WITH THAT, AND, UM, THE PROPERTY OWNER IN COMBINATION WITH A SERVICE PROVIDER CAN APPLY FOR A BUILDING PERMITS IF THEY WISH TO BUILD EMERGENCY SLEEPING CABINS, WHICH IS ALLOWED UNDER THE CALIFORNIA BUILDING CODE APPENDIX.
OH, SO YOU DO HAVE TO MEET STANDARDS OF SPECIFIC HABITABILITY.
THAT'S BEEN IDENTIFIED IN THE CALIFORNIA BUILDING CODE.
THE ZONING CODE ALSO ALLOWS FOR ANOTHER OPTION THAT YOU CAN USE, UM, A HOUSE ON WHEELS THAT FUNCTIONS LIKE A TRAILER THAT'S HOOKED UP AT AN RV PARK OR TRAILER PARK WHERE IT'S CONNECTED TO SEWER AND ELECTRICITY AND HAS THE FACILITIES TO MAINTAIN SUCH A, SUCH AN OPERATION.
SO THE ZONING CODE DOES PROVIDE FOR EMERGENCY HOUSING IN THOSE TWO FORMS ON W I BELIEVE WE IDENTIFIED 15 PROPERTIES ACROSS THE CITY.
AND SO FAR, NONE HAVE TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF THAT, EXCEPT FOR MERIDIAN BAPTIST CHURCH HAS GONE AS FAR AS HAVING PLANS, UM, PREPARED TO OBTAIN BUILDING PERMITS FOR THESE EMERGENCY SLEEPING CABINS.
UH, THE PERMITS WERE APPROVED.
UH, THE APPLICANT HAS NOT SUBMITTED FOR BUILDING PERMITS YET.
SO THAT WAS ABOUT A YEAR AGO, A LONG TIME AGO.
THAT'S UM, UH, A SUMMARY OF THE PROPOSED CHANGES.
UM, THIS IS A, UH, PROPOSAL OR PROPOSAL AMENDMENT.
THE ZONING CODE IS EXEMPT BECAUSE THERE'S NO NEW DEVELOPMENT OR PLAN DEVELOPMENT WITH THIS, UM, ZONING CODE AMENDMENT.
AND SO THE STAFF IS ASKING THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMEND APPROVAL TO THE CITY COUNCIL OF THIS ZONING CODE AMENDMENT, UH, 2021 DASH 0 0 0 2 STAFF IS AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
I THINK WE ASKED THEM AS WE WENT ALONG.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THAT ANYONE HAS? NO.
WHAT ABOUT A TENT IN YOUR BACKYARD? A CAMPING TENT, MR. CHAIRMAN AND COMMISSIONERS, IF YOU WISH TO PUT UP A TENT AND IN YOUR BACKYARD, YOU'RE FREE TO PUT UP A TENT AND YOU'RE BACK THERE.
WELL, UH, IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, UH, I GUESS, UH, EMOTION WOULD BE APPROPRIATE AT THIS TIME.
I MOVED TO ADOPT THE NEXT RESOLUTION IN ORDER RECOMMENDING CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL OF PROPOSED ZONING CODE AMENDMENT NUMBER Z C A 2 0 2 1 DASH 0 0 2.
WELL, THE SECOND THAT MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER ROSE, UH, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER OF PUBLIC RUDE, PLEASE VOTE MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF MEMBERS PRESENT.
[4. OTHER ITEMS FOR CONSIDERATION]
SO HAS EVERYONE, UH, SEEN THE, UH, PROPOSED, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING SCHEDULE? OKAY.HAVE YOU CHECKED YOUR CALENDAR TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY CONFLICTS? THERE IS NO CONFLICT.
[5. STAFF COMMUNICATIONS]
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ARE AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT THE PLAN COMMISSION MAY HAVE JUST AS A REMINDER, SINCE IF YOU DO BRING ANYTHING UP, IT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA.WE CAN JUST PROVIDE INFORMATION, UM, BUT NOT REALLY DISCUSSED THE MATTER.
WE CAN ASK QUESTIONS, BUT WE CAN'T DISCUSS IT THOUGH.
INFORMATION OR F YOU INFORMATIONAL CERTAINLY, BUT YOU KNOW, LIKE, IS THE PROJECT FINISHED YET? YEAH.
OH, THE CORNER ON MAGNOLIA, SOUTH EAST CORNER MAGNOLIA.
AND, UH, AND, UH, MAIN STREET.
IS THAT STILL A VACANT? YES, IT IS.
ANY WORD WE HAVE NOT HEARD FROM THE CONTRACTOR AND SOMETIME.
UM, UM, WE, WE FEAR THAT THEY IT'LL IT'LL EXPIRE AND THEN I'M SURE EVENTUALLY THEY'LL PROBABLY PUT THE PROPERTY UP FOR SALE.
BUT WE HAVEN'T HEARD FROM HIM.
AND YOU MIGHT WANT TO SHARE ALCOHOL BOULEVARD, THE, UH, OH, YES.
UM, SO TILA IS JUST REMINDING ME THAT, UH, YOU MAY RECALL THE CITY VENTURES PROJECT THAT WAS BEFORE YOU IN THE SUMMER, UM, THAT APPLICANT HAS ALREADY MOVED FORWARD WITH, UM, SUBMITTING THEIR CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS FOR BUILDING PERMITS, THEIR ENGINEERING DRAWINGS, DRAWINGS, PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT, DRAWINGS, GRADING, DRAINAGE PLANS, AND MAP TO BE PROCESSED.
UM, THE APPLICANT, CITI VENTURES IS INDICATED THAT THEY WANT TO BE, UM, IN THE GROUND AT THE FIRST OF THE YEAR.
AND I ALSO NOTICED THAT BARBARA IS NOT HERE THIS EVENING.
DID WE BREAK THE LAW? I THINK THAT, UM, I THINK WE WERE FINE.
UM, BARBARA UNFORTUNATELY HAD, UH, TURNED DEAL SO SHE COULD NOT MAKE IT TO MAKE IT OKAY.
[6. COMMISSIONER REPORTS/COMMENTS]
COMMISSIONER REPORTS OR COMMUNICATION? NADA.I'M NOT SURE IF THIS IS THINKING IT'S THE RIGHT PLACE, THE PROPERTY THAT'S LOCATED RIGHT UNDERNEATH, UH, AS YOU COME OFF CHASE AND YOU MERGE INTO ALCHEM BOULEVARD AND YOU GET ON THE FREEWAY THERE TO ENTER INTERSTATE EIGHT, THAT PROPERTY UNDERNEATH IS THAT THAT'S STILL WITHIN OKLAHOMA CITY LIMITS.
OR DOES THAT, BECAUSE THEN THERE'S THE SRO UP THE ROAD.
AND I KNOW, I KNOW, I SEE P I SEE PUBLIC WORKS.
I THINK OUT THERE EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE WITH ELK HOME PD, TRYING TO CLEAN THAT UP, YOU KNOW, WITH THE TRASH, I DO WORRY BECAUSE WE HAVE YOUTH THAT WALK THROUGH THERE ON THEIR WAY TO SCHOOL.
IS THERE ANY PERMANENT SOLUTION? AND IS THIS THE FORUM OR IS THAT MORE OF A CITY COUNCIL THING? IF I UNDERSTAND THE COMMISSION CORRECTLY, THE AREA IDENTIFIED UNDER THE OVERPASS, CORRECT? UM, OUTSIDE OF EL CAJON BOULEVARD OR THE STREET RIGHT AWAY, BUT IS CALTRANS.
SO UNDERNEATH THE BRIDGE IS CALTRANS RESPONSIBILITY.
WE DO NOTIFY CALTRANS WHEN THERE ARE ISSUES THAT WE BELIEVE THEY NEED TO ADDRESS.
IT'S, IT'S GETTING THERE AGAIN, IT KINDA, I SEE THAT IT KIND OF GETS CLEANED UP AND THEN IT TAKES TIME.
BUT YEAH, I MEAN, IT DOES, CALTRANS HAS A CERTAIN METHOD OR PROCEDURE THAT THEY DECIDED TO FOLLOW, AND IT DOES ADD LENGTH TO THE CORRECTIVE ACTION THAT WILL EVENTUALLY TAKE PLACE.
UH, I'VE NOTICED THE SAME THING.
PEOPLE LIVE UNDER THE BRIDGE OR HAVE TENTS BEDS OR WHATEVER THEY HAVE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? NOPE.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING IS ADJOURNED TO DECEMBER 7TH, 2021 AT 7:00 PM.
THAT MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER.
SO TLA SECOND BY COMMISSIONER MOROSE, PLEASE VOTE MOTION CARRIED BY UNANIMOUS CONSENT OF THE MEMBERS PRESENT.