[ CALL TO ORDER: Mayor Bill Wells]
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LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WELCOME TO THE ALCOHOL CITY COUNCIL MEETING.
WE HAVE RESUMED OUR NORMAL MEETING FORMAT AND TO COMPLY WITH STATE LAWS.
WE INVITE THE PUBLIC TO JOIN US IN PERSON OR TO MAKE COMMENTS ABOUT ANY ITEMS ON THE AGENDA, INCLUDING PUBLIC COMMENTS.
THE MEDIA IS NOW CALLED TO ORDER, AND I'LL ASK THE CITY CLERK TO CALL THE ROLE.
ALL COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE PRESENT.
WOULD YOU ALL PLEASE STAND WITH ME FOR THE, WITH THE PLEDGE ADS SAYING THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE OR REMAIN STANDING FOR A BRIEF MOMENT OF SILENCE? I PLEDGED THE FLAG STATES OF AMERICA.
[ POSTINGS: The City Clerk posted Orders of Adjournment of the September 28, 2021, Meetings and the Agenda of the October 12, 2021, Meeting in accordance to State Law and Council/Authority/Successor Agency to the Redevelopment Agency Policy.]
CLERK POSTED ORDERS OF A TOURNAMENT OF THE SEPTEMBER 28TH, 2021 MEETING AND THE AGENDA OF THE OCTOBER 12TH, 21, 20 21 MEETING IN ACCORDANCE WITH STATE LAW COUNCIL AND HOUSING AUTHORITY POLICY, THE STAFF.DO YOU HAVE ANY AGENDA CHANGES, MR. MAYOR? WE HAVE NO CHANGES TO THE AGENDA, BUT I'D LIKE TO MAKE TWO ANNOUNCEMENTS IF I COULD AT THIS TIME, PLEASE.
UM, SO FIRST OF ALL, AS YOU ALL KNOW, THERE WAS A HORRIFIC ACCIDENT THAT OCCURRED IN SANTEE YESTERDAY.
YOU SHOULD BE AWARE THAT 12 OF OUR FIRE STAFF WERE THOSE THAT SHOWED UP FOR THAT TRUCK.
SIX WAS, UH, ONE OF THE FIRST ENGINES ON SCENE, ALONG WITH THE SANTEE FIRE ENGINE.
SO WE WERE ACTUALLY TAKING LEAD ON THE FIRE SUPPRESSION AND THEN, UM, MORE VEHICLES GOT CALLED IN FOR THE SECOND AND THIRD ALARM.
SO, UM, I'VE HAD A CHANCE TO SPEAK WITH THE MAJORITY OF THE STAFF THAT WAS OUT THERE AND THEY SHARED WITH ME HOW HORRIBLE THE SCENE WAS, BUT WE'RE REALLY, I'M GRATEFUL THAT WE HAVE AMAZING STAFF THAT CAN GO NOT ONLY SERVE OUR RESIDENTS, BUT ALSO SERVE THE RESIDENTS OF OUR NEIGHBORING CITIES.
UM, ON A LITTLE BIT LIGHTER NOTE ON FRIDAY OR SATURDAY, LAST SATURDAY, WE CELEBRATED FOODIE FEST.
AND AS PART OF THAT, THERE WAS A COMPETITION, A FRIENDLY COMPETITION BETWEEN COUNCIL MEMBERS AND THEIR BAKING SKILLS AND GONNA INVITE FRANK CARSON TO COME DOWN AND ANNOUNCE THE WINNER OF THAT.
SO LET ME SHOW THE AUDIENCE THERE.
THE FOODIE FEST BEST COOKIE AWARD TROPHY.
IT WAS A CLOSE COMPETITION AND WE HAD TO KIND OF DANCE AROUND WHEN WE COULD ACTUALLY OFFER THE COOKIE TASTING FOR SOME ADMINISTRATIVE REASONS.
BUT, UM, WE DO HAVE A WINNER AND IT WAS A VERY CLOSE VOTE.
IT WAS THE, THIS PERSON WON THIS ELECTED OFFICIAL ONE BY ONE VOTE.
SO IT WAS A TIGHT RACE AND THIS AWARD GOES TO COUNCIL MEMBER MITCHELL.
SO IF WE, IF WE HAD, UM, HONORABLE MENTIONS, THE OTHER TWO AWARDS WOULD GO TO STEVE GOBLE FOR THE CLOSE, BUT NO CIGAR.
AND THE THIRD PLACE WINNER WOULD GO TO A, THE TROPHY WOULD GO TO MR. ORTIZ FOR THE BOLDEST MOVE YOUNG MAN, YOU EITHER LIVE OR DIE BY THE PUMPKIN.
AND IN THIS CASE YOU DIED BY THE PUMPKIN COOKIES.
SO THAT IS A PRETTY BOLD MOVE.
MICHELLE, WHAT KIND OF COOKIE WAS IT? SO I, I HAD A COUPLE OF ENTRIES.
I HAD A PUMPKIN CHOCOLATE CHIP AND I HAD A KENTUCKY BROWNIE BOMBAR AND I UNDERSTAND THOSE BROWN BOMB BARS WERE THE BOMB AND PEOPLE WERE DROOLING.
ALL I WANT IS MY PLASTICS BACK IN MY BAG, MAN, THAT'S IT.
I THINK THEY'RE THERE, UH, ON OUR FLOOR.
SHOULD WE HAVE, BUT I DO WANT THEM BACK.
NO, THEY WERE THE HOUSE SMELLED REALLY GOOD.
AND UH, I'M GLAD THAT EVERYBODY ENJOYED THEM.
THIS IS QUITE AN HONOR AND I CAN PUT IT UP ON MY KITCHEN WALL NOW.
OH, UM, YOU KNOW, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER KENDRICK WANTS TO SAY SOMETHING WELL, I'D LIKE TO WELCOME ALL THE HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS TO THIS MEETING.
HOPEFULLY YOU WON'T BE BORED TO TEARS.
WE, WE HAVE A LIVELY, UH, WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE A LIVELY DISCUSSION ON ITEM NUMBER 12.
UH, I, I HAD TO DO THE SAME THING AS YOU FOR MY CIVICS CLASS AND MY SENIOR YEAR.
AND I CAME TO THE ALCOHOL AND CITY COUNCIL MEETING AND EVERYBODY WAS SCREAMING AND HOLLERING ABOUT SIGNS THAT WAS,
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AND IT WAS VERY ROCHUS AND, AND EXCITING.BUT, UH, I JUST WANT TO LET YOU KNOW, I NEVER THOUGHT I'D END UP HERE.
SO ANYBODY YOU CAN END UP DOING THAT, YOU KNOW, AND THE OTHER THING IS WHEN YOU COME UP TO SPEAK, UH, NEVER BE NERVOUS BECAUSE EVERYBODY WANTS YOU TO LOOK GOOD.
SO IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANT TO SAY, YOU CAN FILL OUT THE CARD AND HAND IT TO THE CITY CLERK AND TELL US WHAT YOU THINK.
THE PUBLIC'S OUR EYES AND EARS.
WE CAN'T BE EVERYWHERE ALL THE TIME, BUT I WANT TO THANK YOU SO MUCH, EVEN THOUGH I KNOW YOU'RE FORCED TO COME HERE BY YOUR TEACHER.
COUNSEL, ANY AGENDA CHANGES? NO.
[ PRESENTATIONS: Proclamation: National Community Planning Month Proclamation: German American Month]
THAT BRINGS US TO PROCLAMATIONS.WE HAVE TWO PROCLAMATIONS ON TODAY'S AGENDA.
I'D LIKE TO INVITE DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, ANTHONY CHUTE, TO INTRODUCE THE PLANNING COMMISSION WHO ACCEPT THE PROCLAMATION.
UH, WE HAVE THREE MEMBERS OF OUR CITY'S PLANNING COMMISSION IN HERE.
UH, WE HAVE TONY, SO
YEAH, THERE'S LOTS OF WAREHOUSES AND WHAT FOURS, BUT, UM, AT THE END IT SAYS NOW, THEREFORE I BUILD WELLS BARE THE CITY OF ALCOHOL TOGETHER.
THE CITY COUNCILS DO HEREBY PROCLAIM THE MONTH OF OCTOBER, 2021 TO BE COMMUNITY PLANNING MONTH IN THE CITY OF ALCOHOL IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE CELEBRATION OF NATIONAL COMMUNITY PLANNING MONTH.
CONGRATULATIONS, GENTLEMEN WANT TO COME UP AND MAKE A SPEECH, A SHORT SPEECH, BUT SHERWANI TONY COME UP TO THE SO WE CAN SEE MTV AND IT'S BEEN AN HONOR TO SERVE THE CITY COUNCIL AND ALSO THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE.
AND IT'S NOT AN INDIVIDUAL JOB.
THERE'S COMMISSIONER CIRCLE, COMMISSIONER BAEZ, COMMISSIONER ROSE, AND ALSO COMMISSIONER PRODUCT MOOD.
UH, I'D LIKE TO RECOGNIZE THEM AS WELL.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE.
AND, AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE, UH, ELIZABETH VALLEYS HERE.
YES, I'M THE NEWEST MEMBER ON THE COMMISSION.
AND I HAVE REALLY ENJOYED THE LAST FEW MONTHS AND LEARNING THE PROCESS AND REALLY GETTING TO HAVE SOME INPUT AND, AND SEE THE GREAT PROJECTS THAT ARE HAPPENING IN OKLAHOMA AND JUST REALLY SEE HOW, UM, I'M EXCITED FOR, FOR THE FUTURE OF ALCOHOL AND, AND, AND THE DIRECTION THAT EVERYTHING'S GOING.
SO I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF, UH, YOUNG PEOPLE HERE.
UM, CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO THEM WHAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION DOES? WELL, THANK YOU FOR PUTTING ME ON THE SPOT THERE, MAYOR WELLS AS THE NEW, AS THE NEWBIE.
SO WHAT WE DO IS THAT W THERE ARE PROJECTS THAT ARE BROUGHT TO THE COMMISSION AND WE REVIEW THOSE PROJECTS BASED ON RECOMMENDATIONS THAT STAFF HAS DONE ALL THE RESEARCH.
WE ARE JUST KIND OF ANOTHER SET OF EYES AS THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT ARE LOOKING AT THOSE PROJECTS AND DECIDING IS THIS THE RIGHT THING FOR OUR COMMUNITY, AS SOMEONE WHO LIVES HERE AND THEN MAYBE WE'LL HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL INPUT THAT A STAFF MEMBER MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE THOUGHT OF.
AND IT REALLY HAS BEEN, UM, UH, IT'S, IT'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY AND AN, A NICE WAY TO SERVE YOUR COMMUNITY.
SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT FOR YOU GUYS IN THE FUTURE.
AND PAUL SERCO, YOU'RE THE OLD HAND.
WELL, NOT AS, OH, HANNAH'S TONY, I GUESS I'VE BEEN DOING IT FOR A WHILE THOUGH.
HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN DOING NOW? YEAH, I'VE BEEN ON FOR 11 YEARS, I THINK NEXT YEAR I HAVE TO REHAB.
UM, AND IT'S AN APPOINTED POSITION.
IT WAS THE MOST TERRIFYING EVENT OF MY LIFE BEING INTERVIEWED IN FRONT OF THE CITY COUNCIL IN FRONT OF THE OTHER NINE PEOPLE LOOKING TO FILL THAT POSITION, BUT IT WAS, IT WAS REALLY GOOD.
AND AS THE, AS A CITIZEN REPRESENTATIVE, WE GET TO VOICE OUR OPINION.
IT DOESN'T HAVE TO FALL ALL THE LEGAL GUIDELINES, BUT THEN THE STAFF HELPS US FIT THAT INTO THE LEGAL GUIDELINES AND WE GET TO HELP SHAPE THE POLICY ON THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
AT LEAST AS FAR AS THE STATE WILL ALLOW US.
AND SO WE GET TO HELP STEER THE POLICY FOR OUR CITY AND THE CITY COUNCIL HAS BEEN VERY SUPPORTIVE OF OUR DECISIONS, AND IT'S A REALLY GREAT PARTNERSHIP.
SO THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING US TO SERVE.
AND THANKS ALL OF YOU FOR YOUR, YOUR TIME AND EFFORTS.
UH IT'S UH, IT'S A LOT OF WORK.
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I APPRECIATE THAT.I THINK WHAT THREE OF US UP HERE WERE ON PLANNING COMMISSIONER BEFORE TOO.
IT'S A COMMON THING TO DO BEFORE CITY COUNCIL.
OUR NEXT PROCLAMATION IS FOR GERMAN AMERICAN MONTH, AND I'D LIKE TO INVITE MIKE ANDERSON TO THE PODIUM TO ACCEPT THIS PROCLAMATION.
HOW DID IT ALL GO? IT WENT REALLY WELL.
I'VE GOT OUR PRESIDENT OF OUR CLUB WITH US WENDELL JENKINS.
SO PLEASE INTRODUCE YOUR EVERYBODY'S HERE.
WE, EVERYBODY ELSE IS, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TIRED OF WEARING THE LATER HOSTING AND THE JOURNALS AND MAYBE A LITTLE BIT TIRED OF ALL THE BEER AND THE FOOD.
I DIDN'T SEE MONICA MONICA POEMS YET.
I SAY MAY I, I THOUGHT MY EYES WERE PLAYING TRICKS ON ME.
I SAW THREE PEOPLE, BUT, YOU KNOW, ANYHOW.
YEAH, WE'RE A, WE HAD, IT WAS A GOOD EVENT.
IT WAS, THE NUMBERS WERE DOWN A LITTLE BIT, NOT TO BE EXPECTED, ESPECIALLY THAT FIRST WEEK AND WHAT THE RAIN, WE JUST MISS THE RAIN THE SECOND WEEKEND, UH, THE REALLY BIG LIGHTENING STORM.
BUT, UH, I THINK EVERYBODY WAS REALLY, REALLY HAPPY TO BE BACK AFTER A YEAR.
WELL, TECHNICALLY A TWO YEAR LAYOFF, SO, AND NEXT YEAR WILL BE OUR 50TH ANNIVERSARY.
SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO BE A BIG ONE.
I'M HERE ESPECIALLY TO, TO GIVE SOME THANKS.
UH, FIRST OF ALL, I WOULD LIKE TO, TO NEXT YEAR OR GO BACK TO ANY OF OUR ADVERTISEMENT SINCE WE'VE HAD OCTOBER FEST IN ELKA HONE, WE HAVE NEVER ADVERTISE IT AS A GERMAN AMERICAN CLUBS F OCTOBER FEST.
IT'S NOT, IT IS OKTOBERFEST AND ALCOHOL AND IT BELONGS ALCOHOL.
AND THANK YOU TO, ESPECIALLY TO OUR A WONDERFUL POLICE DEPARTMENT, FIRE DEPARTMENT, THE CITY, AND THE CITY EMPLOYEES IN GENERAL, UH, YOU ON THE, UH, THE BOARD AS WELL MAYOR'S OFFICE.
THANK YOU FOR HELPING US AS A GROUP, MAKE OUR ALCOHOL IN OCTOBER FAST.
WELL, WE REALLY LOVE THE OCTOBER FEST AND I DON'T THINK IT'S INCORRECT TO SAY IT'S THE BEST OCTOBER FEST IN THE COUNTY.
SO WELL, YEAH, I WAS GOING TO SAY THAT, BUT I DIDN'T WANT YOU TO GET A BIG HEAD.
IT WAS UNARGUABLY BETTER THAN THE ONE IN MUNICH THIS YEAR BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE THEIRS.
ALRIGHT, THANK YOU AGAIN, MR. WELLS MAYOR, BURGERMEISTER OF THE CITY OF
AND I WANT TO THANK EVERYBODY.
THANKS FOR PUTTING ON SUCH A GREAT EVENT AND WE'LL LOOK FORWARD TO AN EXTERIOR.
I FORGOT TO READ YOUR POCKET STATION.
SO NOW THEREFORE I BILL WELLS, THE MAYOR OF THE CITY OF ELK, A HOME TOGETHER WITH THE CITY COUNCIL DO HEREBY PROCLAIM THE MONTH OF OCTOBER, 2021 TO BE A GERMAN AMERICAN MONTH.
OH, OH, I JUST HAVE ONE THING TO SAY FOR A FRIEND'S, UH, FROM THE GERMAN AMERICAN CLUB, UH, ABOUT THAT TOBAR FAST
[7. CONSENT ITEMS: Consent Items are routine matters enacted by one motion according to the RECOMMENDATION listed below. With the concurrence of the City Council, a Council Member or person in attendance may request discussion of a Consent Item at this time.]
THAT BRINGS US TO CONSENT ITEMS, CONSENT ITEMS, A ROUTINE MATTERS AND ACTIVE BY ONE MOTION.ACCORDING TO THE RECOMMENDATION LIST OF BELOW WITH THE CONCURRENCE OF THE CITY COUNCIL, A COUNCIL MEMBER OR PERSON IN ATTENDANCE MAY REQUEST DISCUSSION OF A CONSENT ITEM AT THIS TIME.
DO YOU WISH TO PULL ANY CONSENT ITEMS, MR. GLOBAL, UH, ITEM 10, ITEM 10 AND STAFF.
DO YOU WISH TO PULL ANY CONSENT ITEMS? NO, SIR.
[10. Fiscal Year 2021-22 First Quarter Budget Adjustment Report RECOMMENDATION: That the City Council: Appropriates carry-over funding of $8,025,820 from previously approved Capital Improvement Projects, capital outlay requests, and programs, to be expended in Fiscal Year 2021-22; Authorizes the proposed personnel changes detailed in the report; Authorizes the proposed capital expenditures and related funding transfers detailed in the report; and Increases or modifies Fiscal Year 2021-22 appropriations in the amount of $12,760,389 for additional needs as detailed in the report.]
ALL RIGHT.LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT ITEM 10, STEVE.
UH, THIS IS KIND OF A BIG ONE BECAUSE IT REALLY IS ABOUT SHIFTING OVER $20 MILLION, UH, BETWEEN FISCAL YEARS AND PROJECTS AND THINGS.
SO I'VE GOT SOME QUESTIONS ON THIS.
UH, THE FIRST IS THE WORKER'S COMPENSATION.
SELF-INSURANCE, UH, ADDS $500,000 TO THE FISCAL YEAR TO THE FUND.
NOW, IS THIS, UH, AN ADDITION TO OUR RESERVE OR IS THIS JUST AN ALLOCATION
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OF A POSSIBLE EXPENSE? UM, I'LL HAVE MR. SHANE RESPOND IF I GET IT WRONG, BUT, UH, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT WE DID NOT INCLUDE AN EXPENDITURE LINE ITEM FOR THESE TYPES OF EXPENSES, ANY CLAIMS THAT WE WERE TO RECEIVE.SO THIS IS THROWING THAT IN AS PART OF THE BUDGET.
SO WE ACTUALLY HAVE AN ACTUAL LINE ITEM WE CAN DRAW DOWN FROM IF WE HAVE AN EXPENDITURE RELATED TO A CLAIM.
UH, THE STATE COPS GRANT, FOR SOME REASON, UH, THEY'RE MAKING US, PRE-PAY THE NEW CONTRACT IN THE LAST MONTH OF THIS CONTRACT.
IS THERE A REASON WHY THEY'RE MAKING US DO THAT? IT MAY NOT BE A MATERIAL AMOUNT IS LIKE $85,000 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BUT IT'S UNUSUAL FOR THEM TO SAY, YEAH, THE CONTRACT STARTS NEXT MONTH, BUT YOU GOTTA MAKE YOUR FIRST PAYMENT THIS MONTH.
ANY IDEA WHY THAT'S GOING ON GOOD AFTERNOON? UH, HONORABLE MAYOR, DISTINGUISHED MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL.
I'M THE DIRECTOR OF FINANCE FOR THE CITY OF OKLAHOMA.
UM, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS IS A RESULT OF THE TIMING DIFFERENCES IN THE LAST PAYMENT, ON THE LAST YEAR OF THE ORIGINAL CONTRACT BEING LATE AND THE FIRST PAYMENT ON THE SECOND CONTRACT BEING EXCEPTIONALLY EARLY.
AND IT JUST HAPPENS TO HIT AT ABOUT THE FISCAL YEAR CHANGEOVER.
SO OVERALL THE ENTIRE DURATION OF THE TWO CONTRACTS TOGETHER, IT IS NOT AN ADDITIONAL PAYMENT.
IT'S JUST, UNFORTUNATELY THE TIMING RESULTS IN TWO OF THEM IN ONE FISCAL YEAR.
SO NEXT FISCAL YEAR, WE ANTICIPATE TO HAVE 11 PAYMENTS, NOT 12, WELL, THAT'S AN ANNUAL PAYMENT, NOT A MONTHLY PAYMENT, BUT IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, THE FINAL YEAR OF THE CONTRACT SHOULD THEORETICALLY NOT HAVE A PAYMENT THEN.
UH, SOLAR PV AND BATTERY STORAGE IMPROVEMENTS.
THIS IS ABOUT AN $8 MILLION PROJECT POTENTIALLY.
I HAD A PROBLEM WITH THE MATH ON THE BOTTOM OF PAGE 69 OF THE STAFF REPORT, MAYBE 68.
IT SAYS PHASE TWO WILL BE $5.1 MILLION.
BUT WHEN I ADD THE 3.2, THREE, 5 MILLION, THE A HUNDRED THOUSAND AND THE 1.19, 9 MILLION, I'M COMING UP A HALF A MILLION DOLLARS SHORT.
DID I NOT READ THAT CORRECTLY? UM, I BELIEVE AS PART OF THE ALLOCATION OF THE ARPA FUNDING, $5.1 MILLION WAS ALLOCATED AS PART OF PHASE TWO OF THE SOLAR PROJECT.
HOWEVER, ONE OF THE, UH, RESULTS OF THE MONEY SHUFFLING AROUND BETWEEN PHASE ONE AND PHASE TWO THAT WE'RE PROPOSING THIS REPORT IS SWAPPING GENERAL FUND FUNDING WITH THE ARPA FUNDING.
SO THE 3.2 MILLION IN THE ORIGINAL PHASE ONE IS BEING REPLACED WITH $3.2 MILLION OF THE ARPA 5.1.
AND ADDITION TO THAT IS 565,000 ALSO.
SO PHASE TWO IS ACTUALLY NOT 5.1 MILLION, BUT RATHER 4.5 MILLION.
SO YOU SHIFTED A HALF, A MILLION DOLLARS FROM PHASE TWO TO PHASE ONE, CORRECT? I'M MAKING PHASE ONE AND A HALF A MILLION DOLLARS MORE.
SO THAT FIXES THAT MATH ISSUE.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO IMPROVE THE CONSENT ITEM CALENDAR AS PRESENTED IN THE STAFF REPORT.
SECOND, PLEASE VOTE MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.
[ PUBLIC COMMENT: At this time, any person may address a matter within the jurisdiction of the City Council/Housing Authority/Successor Agency to the El Cajon Redevelopment Agency that is not on the Agenda. Comments relating to items on today’s docket are to be taken at the time the item is heard. State law prohibits discussion or action on items not on the Agenda; however, Council, Authority and Agency Members may briefly respond to statements or questions. An item may be placed on a future Agenda.]
THIS BRINGS US TO PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS TIME.ANY PERSON MAY ADDRESS A MATTER WITHIN THE JURISDICTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL HOUSING AUTHORITY AND SUCCESSOR AGENCY TO THE ALCOHOL REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY THAT IS NOT ON THE AGENDA COMMENTS RELATING TO ITEMS ON TODAY'S AGENDA REB TAKE AT THE TIME OF THE ANIMAS HURT STATE LAW PROHIBITS DISCUSSION OR ACTION ON ITEMS, NOT ON THE AGENDA.
HOWEVER, CITY COUNCIL AND HOUSING AUTHORITY MEMBERS MAY BRIEFLY RESPOND TO A STATEMENT OR A QUESTION AND ITEM OF COURSE MAY BE PLACED ON A FUTURE AGENDA.
ANGELA, DO WE HAVE ANY CARDS FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? WE RECEIVED ONE CARD FROM PEGGY BAILEY JESU.
AND GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBERS AND STAFF.
I JUST WANTED TO, UM, THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR DECISION, THE PAST AGENDA, UM, IN FAVOR OF MY PROPERTY, BUT ALSO WANTED TO THANK YOU.
AND WHOEVER'S RESPONSIBLE FOR PUTTING THE SPEED MONITOR.
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I THINK IT MIGHT BE CALLED JUST BY MONA.AND I KNOW THAT I WAS TOLD THAT IT WOULD BE THERE ABOUT TWO WEEKS SO THAT THEY COULD GET AN IDEA OF WHAT WAS GOING ON ON CHASE, BUT I'M STILL COMMITTED TO DOING WHATEVER I CAN AS YOU KNOW, FOR MY NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, MOVING FORWARD, BUT THERE, I MEAN, THERE'S STILL SPEEDING AND, AND WHEN YOU GO TO PUT IN A TRAFFIC, UM, CONCERN, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A LICENSE NUMBER, AND I'M NOT GOING TO SIT THERE AND GET LICENSED NUMBERS, BUT I CAN TELL YOU WHEN I'M COMING ON CHASE TO GO ON A MOANA, THEY ARE SPEEDING RIGHT AROUND ME.
SO, UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE TO DO ABOUT REPORTING THAT BESIDES TAKING THE LICENSE NUMBER, BUT I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT COMMENT, THE TRAFFIC DEPARTMENT'S ON THE CASE.
THERE ARE NO WRITTEN COMMUNICATIONS AND NO PUBLIC HEARINGS ON TODAY'S AGENDA.
[12. Microenterprise Home Kitchen Operations - MEHKO RECOMMENDATION: It is recommended that the City Council reviews the information provided in the report and directs staff to send a letter to the County recommending that the County Board of Supervisors “opt out” of the Microenterprise Home Kitchen Operations (MEHKO) program.]
WE HAVE TWO ADMINISTRATIVE REPORTS ON TODAY'S AGENDA.ITEM 12 WAS REGARDING THE MICRO ENTERPRISE HOME KITCHEN OPERATIONS.
AND I'D LIKE TO ASK STAFF TO TELL US ABOUT THIS.
UM, AS SOON AS I HAVE A POWERPOINT READY TO GO.
SO, UM, CITY STAFF WILL BE MAKING A PRESENTATION ON THE MICRO ENTERPRISE HOME KITCHEN OPERATIONS PROGRAM.
UM, COUNTY STAFF FROM, UH, DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH.
QUALITY IS HERE AND THANK YOU FOR COMING COUNTY STAFF.
THEY WILL ALSO MAKE A PRESENTATION.
UM, AND THEN THERE'LL BE AN OPPORTUNITY OF COURSE, FOR ANY QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS, UM, THAT THE COUNTY IS HERE TO AVAIL IS AVAILABLE.
AND, UM, WE'LL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT THE COUNCIL MAY HAVE.
UM, THE CITY'S PRESENTATION WILL BE KIND OF HIGH LEVEL AND, UM, THE COUNTY'S PRESENTATION, A LITTLE MORE DETAILED.
SO JUST A BRIEF BACKGROUND IN 2019, AB 6 26 WENT INTO EFFECT WHICH ALLOWED CARETAKER, CATERING OR RESTAURANT USES FROM A PLACE OF RESIDENCE COUNTY LEGISLATORS WERE GIVEN JURISDICTIONAL AUTHORITY TO ADOPT AN ORDINANCE AND IMPLEMENT THIS BILL SUBSEQUENTLY AB 3 77.
A CLEANUP BILL WAS INTRODUCED TO CLARIFY AND THE FINE LANGUAGE IN AB 6 26, SPECIFICALLY IT ELIMINATED THIRD PARTY DELIVERIES.
YOU CAN THINK OF DOORDASH OR POSTMATES, UH, UM, THOSE RESTRICTIONS.
SO IT CLARIFIED THAT THEY CAN BE, UM, USED TO, UH, PICK UP MEALS FROM, UM, HOME, HOME, UM, KITCHENS UNDER THE MICO PROGRAM.
SO THE LEGISLATION NOW ALLOWS A MICO TO OPERATE IN ANY SINGLE FAMILY OR MULTIFAMILY HOME, WHETHER THE RESIDENT'S OCCUPIED BY THE OWNER OR RENTER STAFF HAS BEEN IN CONVERSATIONS WITH THE COUNTY OF THE LAST FEW MONTHS TO TRY TO BETTER UNDERSTAND HOW THIS MICO PROGRAM COULD WORK.
UM, THE LEGISLATION ALLOWS THE COUNTY TO OPT INTO THE PROGRAM.
SO THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT FOR THE COUNTY TO OPT IN.
THEY CAN CHOOSE TO OPT OUT, UM, SHOULD THE COUNTY BOARD OPT IN, THEN ALL CITIES WITHIN THE COUNTY ARE SUBJECT TO THE PROGRAM AND DO NOT HAVE THE ABILITY TO REGULATE THE USE.
AND THE COUNTY, UM, IS THE REGULATOR OF A YUMIKO PROGRAM.
UH, MIGOS ARE SUBJECT TO AN ANNUAL REGISTRATION AND INSPECTION BY THE DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH QUALITY.
UM, UH, THEY MAY BE ISSUED OR THEY MAY OBTAIN AN, UM, ALCOHOL LICENSE FROM ABC AND SERVE ALCOHOL ON SITE.
IF THEY, IF THE OPERATORS OPERATING A RESTAURANT FROM THEIR HOME, UH, NO CITY PERMIT OR APPROVALS REQUIRED AND NO LAND USE RESTRICTIONS ARE AVAILABLE, UM, BY THE CITY.
EACH MIKKO IS ALLOWED UP TO 30 MEALS PER DAY, BUT NO MORE THAN 60 A WEEK, UM, ANNUAL SALES CAN NOT EXCEED $50,000 AND A MICO CAN HIRE ONE EMPLOYEE CITY STAFF DOES HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT, UH, MIGOS IF THEY WERE TO OPERATE IN THE CITY.
UM, CITY STAFF IS CONCERNED ABOUT POTENTIAL TRAFFIC, UM, NOISE, ODORS, UH, SMOKE FOOD SAFETY, ALTHOUGH THE CITY DOESN'T REGULATE FOOD SAFETY, A WASTEWATER.
SO FATS, OILS, AND GREASES THAT ARE PUT INTO THE CITY SEWER SYSTEM, POTENTIAL VERMIN AND THE CHANGE IN A RESIDENTIAL CHARACTER.
IF THERE WERE MULTIPLE MCOS IN A SINGLE BLOCK, WE'RE
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IN A CUL-DE-SAC AND THEN WHAT KIND OF CODE ENFORCEMENT, UM, IMPACTS THAT COULD BE ON, ON CITY RESOURCES.SO BASICALLY THE, UM, THIS IS THE END OF THE CITY'S PRESENTATION, JUST KIND OF REALLY HIGH LEVEL.
THE REAL DETAILS ARE IN THE COUNTY'S PRESENTATION.
SO I'LL ASK THAT, UM, THE COUNTY'S PRESENTATION BE MADE AVAILABLE.
UM, AND THEN THEY WILL PRESENT.
WE ASK THAT THE COUNCIL, UH, FEEL FREE TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS OF THE CITY STAFF, AS WELL AS THE COUNTY STAFF, AND THEN DIRECT THE STAFF TO DRAFT A LETTER, UM, TO THE COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS INDICATING THE CITY COUNCIL'S POSITION ON THE MICO PROGRAM.
MY NAME IS HEATHER BENOMO AND I'M THE DIRECTOR OF ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH AND QUALITY FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH.
YOUR REQUEST TO PROVIDE A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THE MICO PROGRAM.
SO NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE, LET'S START WITH A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND, UH, THE CALIFORNIA RETAIL FOOD CODE FIRST ALLOWED HOME-BASED OPERATIONS WITH THE INTRODUCTION OF COTTAGE FOOD OPERATIONS.
IN 2013, COTTAGE FOOD IS LIMITED TO NON POTENTIALLY HAZARDOUS FOODS, SUCH AS COOKIES AND CAKES IN 2019 MICRO ENTERPRISE HOME KITCHEN OPERATIONS, WHICH I'M GOING TO REFER TO AS MIGOS MEEKER'S ARE A NEW TYPE OF FOOD OPERATION THAT WAS INTRODUCED INTO THE RETAIL FOOD CODE.
AND IT WAS MORE SIMILAR AN IN-HOME MINI RESTAURANT AT THAT TIME, WHEN IT WAS FIRST INTRODUCED INDIVIDUAL CITIES HAD THE OPTION TO OPT IN IF THEY WANTED THIS PROGRAM FOR THEIR COMMUNITY, UM, OR NOT.
AND AT THAT TIME WITH THE FIRST ITERATION OF THE BILL, THERE WERE QUITE A FEW FOOD SAFETY CONCERNS.
UH, LATER THAT YEAR, UH, 3 77, AN URGENCY BILL, UH, WAS ADOPTED AND THIS MODIFIED NIKOS TO ADDRESS MANY OF THE FOOD SAFETY CONCERNS THAT WERE FIRST IDENTIFIED AND IT MADE THE GOVERNING BODY OF THE ENFORCEMENT AGENCY, WHICH IS THE COUNTY OF SAN DIEGO, THE AUTHORITY TO OPT IN FOR THE ENTIRE REGION.
AND AT THIS TIME THERE ARE CURRENTLY SEVEN JURISDICTIONS IN THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA THAT HAVE ADOPTED MICO PROGRAMS. NEXT SLIDE.
SO AS MENTIONED, THE CURRENT CODE LANGUAGE PUTS THE AUTHORITY IN THE HANDS OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AS THE GOVERNING BODY OF THE LOCAL ENFORCEMENT AGENCY.
IF THEY OPT INTO THE PROGRAM, IT WOULD BE FOR THE ENTIRE COUNTY AND INDIVIDUAL CITIES DO NOT HAVE THE ABILITY TO OPT IN OR OPT OUT.
IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT WHILE THE LEGISLATION WAS MOVING FORWARD THROUGH THE PROCESS IN SACRAMENTO, THE COUNTY ADVOCATED FOR THE BILL TO BE AMENDED AND ALLOW LOCAL JURISDICTIONS TO DECIDE IF MIKA WAS RIGHT FOR THEIR COMMUNITY AND PROVIDE THEM THE ABILITY TO OPT IN OR OPT OUT.
WE ALSO ENCOURAGE CITIES TO DO THE SAME.
UM, IN, IN SPEAKING UP REGARDING THIS ELEMENT OF THE BILL, HOWEVER, UH, THE, THE AUTHOR DID NOT TAKE THE AMENDMENTS.
THE COUNTY TOOK AN OFFICIAL POSITION OF CONCERN AND AGAIN, COORDINATED AND ENCOURAGED CITIES IN OUR REGION TO DO THE SAME.
THE LEGISLATION WAS ENACTED WITH THE LANGUAGE THAT REQUIRES THE COUNTY OF SAN DIEGO TO MAKE THE DECISION FOR ALL CITIES IN OUR REGION.
AND THESE ARE THE CURRENT PARAMETERS OF STATE LAW THAT WE NEED TO ABIDE BY.
UH, WELL I THINK I WENT OUT OF ORDER.
CAN YOU GO TO THE, WHAT DOES AMICA SLIDE? SORRY ABOUT THAT.
WHAT DOES IT MICO? UM, SO THE CALIFORNIA RETAIL FOOD CODE ESTABLISHES REQUIREMENTS, AND THESE CAN NOT BE MODIFIED.
AND MICO, AS I MENTIONED IS A HOME RESTAURANT AND UNLIKE COTTAGE FOOD, THEY'RE NOT RESTRICTED TO THE TYPES OF FOODS THAT THEY COULD COOK APART FROM SOME RISKIER FOODS, SUCH AS OYSTERS.
UH, THE RESIDENT CAN SERVE UP TO 30 MEALS A DAY OR 60 MEALS IN A WEEK, AND THERE'S A MAXIMUM GROSS ANNUAL SALES.
IF IT $50,000 CUSTOMERS CAN DINE IN THE HOME, THEY CAN PICK IT UP TO GO OR THEY CAN RECEIVE DELIVERY.
A HEALTH PERMIT IS REQUIRED PRIOR TO OPERATING AND HEALTH INSPECTIONS ARE LIMITED TO ONE INSPECTION A YEAR, UNLESS THERE IS A COMPLAINT OR CONCERN FOR FOODBORNE ILLNESS.
AT WHICH TIME THE DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH AND QUALITY COULD CONDUCT AN INVESTIGATION.
UH, THE CURRENT LAW PREEMPT CERTAIN LAND USE REQUIREMENTS AND RESTRICTIONS COULD NOT BE PLACED ON NIKOS.
IF THE COUNTY WERE TO AUTHORIZE NIKOS, THEY WOULD HAVE BECOME A BI-RITE NO SEQUEL ANALYSIS, DISCRETIONARY PERMIT OR PUBLIC NOTICE WOULD BE REQUIRED.
MIGOS WOULD BE ALLOWED WITHIN ANY RESIDENTS IN THE COUNTY.
NIKOS CAN OPERATE OUTSIDE OF THEIR HOME AS WELL, INCLUDING SERVING FOOD AND PREPARATION OF FOOD USING BARBECUES OR OTHER SIMILAR TECHNIQUES FROM A COMPLIANCE STANDPOINT,
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THE LAW DOES NOT ALLOW FOR SIGNAGE AND MUNICIPALITIES COULD PURSUE VIOLATIONS RELATED TO THEIR NOISE, ORDINANCES, AND NUISANCE ORDINANCES.I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED, SORRY.
CAN WE GO TO THIS SLIDE THAT TALKS ABOUT REGULATORY OVERSIGHT? HERE WE GO.
UH, THE DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH AND QUALITY HAS REGULATORY OVERSIGHT OF THE VIOLATIONS OF THE CALIFORNIA RETAIL FOOD CODE, AND THE LOCAL MUNICIPALITY HAS THE REGULATORY OVERSIGHT OF THE LAND USE ITEMS AS THEY PERTAIN TO THAT JURISDICTIONS, LOCAL ORDINANCES.
NEXT SLIDE, THE MICO LAW PROVIDES A POTENTIAL INCREASE IN THE OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE FROM A WIDE VARIETY OF BACKGROUNDS TO START THEIR OWN RESTAURANTS, WHICH CAN BRING AN ECONOMIC BENEFITS TO THE COMMUNITY.
NICO CAN PROVIDE FOOD JUSTICE TO AREAS SUCH AS FOOD DESERTS WHERE PREPARED WHOLESOME AND NUTRITIOUS FOODS ARE NOT READILY AVAILABLE FOR PURCHASE.
THE MICO LAW ALSO BUILDS ON THE FARM TO TABLE MOVEMENT TO BRING LOCALLY PRODUCED FOODS TO COMMUNITIES AND PROVIDES AN OPTION FOR THE EXISTING COTTAGE FOOD OPERATORS TO EXPAND THEIR BUSINESS BY ADDING ADDITIONAL FOOD ITEMS. NEXT SLIDE, BASED ON FEEDBACK FROM OUR WORKING MEETINGS WITH LOCAL MUNICIPAL PARTNERS, SOME POTENTIAL CONCERNS HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED, INCLUDING TRAFFIC PARKING NOISE, FIRE RISKS, THE POTENTIAL FOR INCREASE TO FATS OILS AND GREASE INTO THE WASTEWATER SYSTEMS, ADA ACCESSIBILITY, AND THE ABILITY OF AMECO TO OBTAIN AN ABC LICENSE.
NEXT SLIDE ON SEPTEMBER 15TH, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS VOTED UNANIMOUSLY AND DIRECTED THE DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH AND QUALITY TO RETURN TO THE BOARD IN 120 DAYS WITH AN ORDINANCE TO AUTHORIZE MIGOS.
ALSO, THEY DIRECTED US TO CONDUCT COMMUNITY OUTREACH AND LOCAL MUNICIPALITY OUTREACH AND IMPLEMENT AN EDUCATIONAL PROGRAM FOR MICO OPERATORS REGARDING PROGRAMMATIC OPTIONS.
UM, THE STATE LAW LIMITS, WHAT CAN BE MODIFIED IN A LOCAL ORDINANCE.
SO AS WE RETURNED BACK TO THE BOARD, THERE ARE REALLY ONLY NINE CATEGORIES OF PROGRAM OPTIONS THAT COULD POTENTIALLY BE ADDRESSED.
AND THOSE ARE THE NUMBER OF HOME FOOD OPERATIONS ALLOWED PER HOME FAMILY MEMBER CLARIFICATION, DEFINING ALLOWABLE, FOOD STORAGE AREAS, TIMING TO OBTAIN THE REQUIRED FOOD SAFETY CERTIFICATE, NEXT SLIDE MEAL, SERVICE VOLUME.
THE ABILITY TO RESTRICT FOOD SERVICE TO TAKE OUT OR DELIVERY REDUCED INSPECTION FREQUENCY LESS THAN ONE INSPECTION PER YEAR, DEFINING HOW POTABLE WATER STANDARDS WILL BE DEMONSTRATED AND FOR LOCAL ZONING ZONING ORDINANCES, POTENTIAL ABILITY TO REDEFINE YOUR NUISANCE ORDINANCE.
UM, THAT'S THE END OF OUR PRESENTATION FOR TODAY? WE'RE AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS.
I DO WANT TO JUST, UM, CORRECT ONE QUOTE THAT WAS DOCKETED IN THE STAFF REPORT FOR THE AGENDA THAT INDICATED THE DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH SAID THAT STAFFING WOULD BE A CHALLENGE.
UM, WE'RE NOT, UH, AN AUTHORITY OVER THE STAFFING FOR THE CITY OF ALKA HOEHN AND NOR DO I HAVE AN OPINION OVER YOUR STAFFING CHOICES.
AND SO THAT WAS A CITY QUOTE, AND I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT WAS NOT THE DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH AND QUALITY I'M AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS.
WHO'D LIKE TO START, I THINK I'M SURE WE ALL DO.
I'LL SAVE MINE TO THE END, MICHELLE.
I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS HERE.
BOTH THE CITY AND THE COUNTY PRESENTATION WENT WELL.
THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION THERE.
SO ARE WE NOT ALLOWED TO OPT IN OR OPT OUT? THAT IS CORRECT.
THIS CITY, ACCORDING TO THE STATE LAW, THE COUNTY OF SAN DIEGO, AS THE GOVERNING AUTHORITY OVER THIS PROGRAM HAS TO MAKE THE DECISION TO OPT IN FOR THE ENTIRE REGION.
AND THE NEXT ONE, UM, LET'S SEE, KNEES ARE KIND OF RANDOM CAUSE THEY'RE JUST SCRIBBLED THEM DOWN.
SO WHY ONLY NO MORE THAN ONE HEALTH VISIT PER YEAR? I MEAN, HEALTH DEPARTMENT SHOULD BE CHECKING ON FOOD PREPARATION, KITCHENS, CATERING, UM, YOU KNOW, VARIOUS RESTAURANTS AND I'M LIKE ONLY ONE VISIT PER YEAR AND THEN IT'S BEING ARRANGED.
SO THE PLACE, THE KITCHEN, AND I'M NOT SAYING THIS IS GOING TO HAPPEN, BUT I'VE WORKED IN KITCHENS BEFORE AND I'VE WORKED IN CATERING.
AND I KNOW THAT SOMETIMES THINGS GET OUT OF CONTROL.
YOU SET UP A MEETING LIKE, OH, HURRY UP AND CLEAN UP BECAUSE THE INSPECTOR IS GOING TO BE HERE.
BUT FOR THE REST 364 DAYS OUT OF THE YEAR, IT'S A DISASTER.
HOW IS THAT? I MEAN, HOW DOES THAT REALLY HELP THE CUSTOMERS
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WHO WOULD LIKE TO PARTICIPATE, YOU KNOW, OR BUY FOOD FROM THESE PEOPLE, BUT THERE'S NO GUARANTEE THERE'S NO SAFETY.THE LIMITATION OF THE INSPECTION BEING TO ONE TIME A YEAR AND HAVING TO BE PRE ARRANGED WITH SET IN STATE LAW THAT WAS NOT SET BY THE COUNTY.
UH, HOWEVER, THE COUNTY DOES HAVE THE ABILITY TO GO BACK OUT AND DO AN INVESTIGATION IF THERE IS A COMPLAINT OR A CONCERN FOR FOODBORNE ILLNESS AT THAT SITE.
AND WHAT CONSTITUTES A MEAL? I MEAN, I KNOW A LADY THAT I PICKED UP SOME LIMPIA AND, UH, PONCET HER FROM, FOR THIS PAST WEEKEND.
IF SHE, IF WE WERE TO OPT IN, THEN, YOU KNOW, WOULD THAT BE CONSIDERED WHO DETERMINES THAT FOOD WOULD HAVE BEEN MEALS OR WHATEVER, AS AN EXAMPLE? YES.
SO THE TERM MEAL IS NOT DEFINED IN STATE LAW.
HOWEVER, THE INTERPRETATION IS THAT IT'S A SERVING FOR A SINGLE PERSON.
AND WHY DID THEY LIMIT IT TO 50,000? UH, THE PURPOSE OF THE MICO IS MEANT TO BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE TO ENTER INTO THE FOOD BUSINESS, KIND OF A STARTING POINT.
AND AS THEIR BUSINESS EXPANDS, THE EXPECTATION WOULD BE THAT THEY WOULD THEN EXPAND AND GROW INTO A BRICK AND MORTAR FACILITY.
AND FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, AND I COULD BE WRONG FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, WE HAVE TO HAVE A BUSINESS LICENSE TO OPERATE A HOME-BASED BUSINESS.
SO WHY ARE WE NOT, WHY ARE WE NOT RICH? WHY ARE THESE OPERATIONS NOT BEING REQUIRED TO HAVE A BUSINESS LICENSE? YEAH, I WOULD DEFER TO TONY FOR THAT CANCELED.
THEY, THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD JUST FOR A BUSINESS, LIKE, OKAY.
LIKE I SAID, EVERYTHING WENT BY SO FAST.
I WAS TRYING TO WRITE DOWN SO THEY WILL HAVE TO HAVE A BUSINESS LICENSE TO OPERATE.
I GUESS I'M SURE THESE GUYS WILL HAVE MORE QUESTIONS.
JUST APPOINTED THE CLARIFICATION UNDER THE LOCAL ORDINANCE OPTIONS IT'S SAID, OR DID I MISS IT THAT A CITY HAS THE ABILITY TO RESTRICT DINE-IN OPTIONS? IS THAT RIGHT? OR IS THAT UNDER THE JURISDICTION OF THE COUNTY? THIS WOULD BE UNDER THE COUNTY.
SO THE NINE ITEMS THAT ARE IDENTIFIED ARE REALLY THE ONLY, UM, AREAS WHERE A LOCAL ORDINANCE COULD BE FORMED A COUNTY ORDINANCE, UH, TO CLARIFY SOME OF THESE ITEMS. AND SO THAT IS ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT, UH, COULD BE CLARIFIED IN AN ORDINANCE.
AND HAS THAT BEEN DISCUSSED AT THE COUNTY LEVEL THUS FAR? NO.
WE WERE DIRECTED TO RETURN, UH, ON SEPTEMBER 15TH, WE WERE JUST DIRECTED TO BEGIN WORKING ON THIS.
AND SO WE'LL BE RETURNING IN 120 DAYS.
SO THOSE LOCAL ORDINANCE OPTIONS HAVE NOT BEEN SOLIDIFIED YET AT THE COUNTY LEVEL.
SO THE LOCAL ORDINANCE OPTIONS LOCAL MEANS COUNTY, NOT CITY.
UM, WHO DETERMINES FIRE CODE VIOLATIONS? TOO MANY PEOPLE IN A HOME FOR THAT WOULD STILL BE THE FIRE AUTHORITY, FIRE AUTHORITY, THE COUNTY FIRE AUTHORITY OR THE CITY FIRE AUTHORITY, FIRE AUTHORITY, DEPENDING ON THE AREA.
IF IT'S IN THE UNINCORPORATED, IT WOULD BE THE, SO THE CITY, OF COURSE.
SO THE CITY COULD SAY YOU HAVE TOO MANY PEOPLE INSIDE THIS.
THAT WOULD BE OUTSIDE OF THE REGULATORY SCOPE OF ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH.
BUT THE COUNTY WON'T BE SAYING HANDS-OFF ALCOHOL.
WE COULD STILL DO THE STATE FIRE CODE AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.
SIMILARLY, WHAT ABOUT A PUBLIC NUISANCE? WHAT ABOUT, UH, COULD THEY OPERATE OUTDOORS? SO THEY ARE ALLOWED TO OPERATE OUTDOORS ACCORDING TO THE STATE LAW ON MIGOS THAT WOULD NOT BE PROHIBITED.
UM, DID YOU ASK ABOUT NUISANCE? NUISANCE ABATEMENT IS ALLOWED.
SO IF THEY HAVE LOUD MUSIC AND, AND BIG LIGHTS AND STUFF, AND YEAH.
IN THE STATE LAW, IT SPECIFICALLY CALLS OUT THREE AREAS THAT CAN BE ADDRESSED.
THE SECOND IS NOISE AND THE THIRD IS NUISANCE ABATEMENT.
AND THOSE, AND ALL OF THE OTHER LAND USE ITEMS ARE PREEMPTED.
SO THAT WOULD BE THE FOCUS OF ENFORCEMENT.
FOR THE TAXPAYERS OF ALCOHOL AND BEAR THE COST FOR THAT, UH, THE MONITORING OF $50,000 ONE EMPLOYEE, 30 MEALS PER DAY, 60 PER WEEK, WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR THE COST OF THE DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH AND QUALITY WILL THE DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH BE HIRING ADDITIONAL PEOPLE TO COVER ALL THESE.
WHEN WE RETURNED TO THE BOARD, WE'RE GOING TO RETURN WITH A PROPOSAL WITH STAFFING TO IMPLEMENT THE PROGRAM.
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LET'S SWITCH NOW TO RENTALS.ALCOHOL OWNS HOME TO ABOUT 16,000 RENTAL UNITS.
UM, SO PEOPLE IN RENTERS AND APARTMENT COULD DO THIS, CORRECT.
SO THE LANDLORD PAYS PROPERTY AND LIABILITY INSURANCE ON HIS OR HER, UH, COMPLEX BECAUSE THE INSURANCE COMPANY SAYS YOU'RE RENTING HERE.
AND THIS IS THE RATE WE'RE GOING TO CHARGE YOU BASED ON THESE THINGS HAPPENING AT THIS COMPLEX.
SO IF YOU'RE ADD MIGOS TO THE LAT, TO THAT, DO THE LANDLORDS HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SAY, NO, I DON'T HAVE KNOWLEDGE ON THAT SUBJECT.
I WOULD DEFER TO TONY OR YOUR CITY ATTORNEY.
I'D LIKE FOR YOU TO GO BACK TO COUNTY COUNCIL AND GET AN OPINION ON THAT, PLEASE.
A COUNTY COUNCIL HAS BEEN PARTICIPATING IN THE CITY WORKING GROUPS.
AND SO THAT COULD DEFINITELY BE BROUGHT UP THROUGH THAT CHANNEL.
I'LL TURN TO OUR CITY MANAGER.
I'D LIKE COUNTY COUNCIL TO WEIGH IN WITH AN OPINION ON THAT.
PLEASE WE WILL FOLLOW UP WITH COUNTY COUNCIL TO SURE THAT HAPPENS.
UM, SIMILARLY HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATIONS, THEY HAVE DEED RESTRICTIONS ON WHAT CAN BE DONE IN THEIR HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION, CCNRS, UH, COVENANTS CONDITIONS AND RESTRICTIONS, UH, SAY WHAT YOU CAN DO IN THIS, CAN THEY RESTRICT MIGOS IN THEIR HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION AGAIN, THAT WOULD NEED TO BE LOOKED INTO BY THEIR INDIVIDUAL ATTORNEYS TO ENSURE THEY CAN COMPLY WITH WHAT'S REQUIRED.
I'D LIKE TO HAVE CITY STAFF CONFER WITH COUNTY COUNCIL ON DISPLACED.
UM, ARE THERE ANY RESPONSIBILITIES OR COSTS THE COUNTY IS EXPECTING THE CITY TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR? WE TALKED ABOUT FIRE ENFORCEMENT, NUISANCE ENFORCEMENT.
UH, IT SOUNDS LIKE, UH, FOOD SAFETY ISSUES ARE GOING TO BE HANDLED BY THE COUNTY, CORRECT? UH, IT SOUNDS LIKE, UM, UH, THE $50,000 EMPLOYEE, 30 MEALS A WEEK IS GOING TO BE HANDLED BY THE COUNTY FOOD SAFETY CERTIFICATES.
SO ALL OF THE ITEMS THAT ARE PART OF THE CALIFORNIA RETAIL FOOD CODE THAT ARE PART OF THE NORMAL RETAIL FOOD PROGRAM THAT IS ALREADY OPERATING WITHIN THE COUNTY, UM, WILL BE IMPLEMENTED AND ENFORCED BY THE DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH AND QUALITY.
UM, THE GREASE, I THINK COMMERCIAL LOCATIONS HAVE TO HAVE A GREASE TRAP, CORRECT? DO THESE RESIDENTIAL LOCATIONS HAVE TO HAVE THEM? NO, THEY ARE NOT REQUIRED TO.
THAT'S INCREDIBLE TO ME, THE STATE IS SAYING YOU CAN COOK THE GREASIEST FOOD YOU WANT, AND IT CAN GO DOWN INTO THE SEWER SYSTEM AND IT'S UP TO THE INFRASTRUCTURE OF THE CITY OF ALCOHOL AND, AND THEN ONTO THE CITY OF SAN DIEGO TO, UH, EXTRACT THIS GREEKS AND THAT I'M NOT BLAMING THE COUNTY.
I'M PROBABLY LOOKING MORE AT THE STATE AT THIS POINT SAYING, IT'S INCREDIBLE THAT YOU COULD REQUIRE THAT OF A COMMERCIAL OPERATION, BUT ALLOW A COMMERCIAL OPERATION OR RESIDENTIAL SETTING AND NOT INCLUDE THAT FOR AN ENVIRONMENTAL DETRIMENT.
SO THAT'S REALLY SURPRISING TO ME.
I KNOW THE COUNTY HAS NO PROBABLY AUTHORITY OVER THAT.
MAYBE IT DOES, IF IT DOES CONSIDER STAFF CONFER WITH THE COUNTY TO SEE IF THAT'S THE INDIVIDUAL SANITATION DISTRICTS OR SUING AGENCIES WOULD BE THE AUTHORITY OVER THAT.
UM, ESPECIALLY IN EASTERN, JUST TO COMMENT ON THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A RESTAURANT.
UM, I THINK PART OF THE THOUGHT PROCESS BEHIND THAT ELEMENT OF THE CODE AND NOT REQUIRING IT IS THE LIMITED VOLUME IN WHICH AMECO CAN PRODUCE COMPARATIVELY TO A RESTAURANT.
I WOULD SAY $50,000 IN SALES IS A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF INPUT INTO THE WASTEWATER SYSTEM UP TO HMM, MR. GOBLE.
WHEN, WHEN WE, AS YOU KNOW, WE CAMERA ALL OF OUR SEWER LINES AND INCLUDING RESIDENTIAL AND IT'S SHOCKING HOW MUCH FATS OILS AND GREASE BUILDUP AS YOU CAN SEE THEM COMING DOWN LATERAL.
SO IT'S NOT A CITY MAINTENANCE ISSUE IT'S COMING DOWN THE LATERAL AND THIS IS PRE MICO, RIGHT? SO WE WE'RE ANTICIPATING, WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE SOME SEWER SPILLS AND WE PROBABLY JUST NEED TO HAVE TO HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL BUDGETING FOR THAT, UM, ACCOMMODATION.
SO WE'RE GOING TO BEAR THE COST OF THE ADDITIONAL SEWER.
OUR, OUR RESEARCH, OUR RATE PAYERS WILL.
IF THE NICOS DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A GREASE TRAP, LIKE THE COMMERCIAL LOCATIONS DO CORRECT.
UM, PROOF OF INSURANCE, IS THAT GOING TO BE REQUIRED OF AMECO AT THEIR HOME? YEAH.
IT'S NOT IN THE STATE LAW, SO THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH AND QUALITY WOULD BE OKAY.
AGAIN, THE STATE REALLY DROPPED THE BALL ON THAT ONE.
I CAN SEE AN INSURANCE COMPANY SAYING WE'RE GOING TO COVER YOU FOR FIRE FOR TREE FALLING ON YOUR HOUSE.
UH, BUT HEY, IF YOU WANT TO HAVE 30 MEALS A DAY OUT OF YOUR HOUSE, UH, THEY MAY NOT COVER YOU FOR THAT COVER AMECO FOR THAT.
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IF YOU HAVE ANY DISCUSSIONS WITH STATE OFFICIALS, I WOULD SAY, BOY, SOMEBODY BETTER TALK ABOUT THE CHANGE TO PROOF OF INSURANCE.THERE MAY BE A HUGE SURPRISE, UH, IN THE AREA OF FOOD SAFETY.
IF SOMEBODY CUTS THEIR MOUTH ON A PIECE OF GLASS THAT WAS IN THE THING.
IF THEY GET SICK FROM FOOD, UH, IT SOUNDS LIKE THE HOMEOWNER'S INSURANCE COMPANY MAY SAY WE'RE OUT.
THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S UNDER THE POLICY.
THE HOMEOWNER IS OUT AND IT'S JUST BAD OUTCOME.
I THINK THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAD.
UM, I ALSO HAVE THE SAME, UH, CONCERNS AS COUNCIL MEMBER GOEBEL ABOUT THE GREASE TRAP, THE INSURANCE, HOW MANY PEOPLE COULD BE INSIDE THE HOUSE AT ONE TIME? WHAT THEIR, THERE, ANYTHING DOES THAT ADDRESS IT AT ALL? WELL, THE MAXIMUM ALLOWANCE OF MEALS IN A DAY IS UP TO 30.
SO IF THOSE MEALS WERE ALL SERVED AT ONE TIME, IT WOULD BE 30 PEOPLE.
UM, I THINK THE COUNTY NEEDS TO ADDRESS THAT IS, YOU KNOW, MAYBE LOOK AT THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE HOUSE OR SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T HAVE A WHOLE BUNCH OF PEOPLE CRAMMED IN THERE.
UH, DO WE KNOW HOW MANY, UH, HOME COOKED MEALS ARE MADE RIGHT NOW? I GUESS IN THAT GRAY AREA, PROBABLY ILLEGAL WHERE YOU SEE THE GUYS IN THE CARTS, YOU KNOW, IN FRONT OF THE BILL, THERE WAS ONE THAT'S IN FRONT OF SMART AND FINAL HERE IN ALCOHOL.
I CAN'T SPEAK TO UNPERMITTED VENDORS.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY MAY EXIST IN OUR COUNTY.
I CAN SAY THAT WE HAVE NEARLY, EXCUSE ME, NEARLY A 400 COTTAGE FOOD OPERATORS IN THE COUNTY OF SAN DIEGO.
UM, FOR MOBILE FOOD FACILITIES, ANYTHING FROM A FOOD CART TO A FOOD TRUCK, WE HAVE APPROXIMATELY 1500.
AND ABOUT 20 YEARS AGO, WE HAD WHAT THEY CALLED THE FRIENDSHIP FESTIVAL HERE IN OKLAHOMA.
AND WE'D GET ABOUT A HUNDRED THOUSAND PEOPLE THAT WOULD ATTEND.
AND I REMEMBER THERE WAS A SIGN THAT SAYS THAT THIS, THIS FOOD WAS MADE IN AN UNLICENSED KITCHEN.
AND THEN BECAUSE OF BUDGETARY CONSTRAINTS, WE HAD TO STOP THE FRIENDSHIP FESTIVAL.
AND A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT CAME TO THAT FESTIVAL AS, AND THERE IS, YOU KNOW, THAI FOOD, VIETNAMESE, FOOD, INDIAN FOOD, ALL SORTS OF DIFFERENT KINDS OF FOODS.
AND YOU CAN BUY SOMETHING FOR A BUCK OR TWO.
AND IT WAS, IF YOU DIDN'T LIKE IT AND YOU HAD TO TOSS IT IN THE TRASH, IT WAS NO BIG DEAL.
AND WHEN WE REOPENED, WE FOUND OUT THAT THE COUNTY WOULDN'T LET THEM FIX THESE THINGS IN A UNLICENSED KITCHEN.
NOW, IF THIS COMES ABOUT AGAIN, WOULD THEY BE ABLE TO GO AND SERVE 60 MEALS AT A FRIENDSHIP FESTIVAL THAT THEY PREPARED IN HER UNLICENSED KITCHEN.
SO TO CLARIFY, HI, IT'S THE STATE LAW THAT PROHIBITS THE FOOD, NOT BEING PREPARED IN A LICENSED KITCHEN.
IT WOULDN'T BE THE COUNTY OF SAN DIEGO.
IT'S THE CALIFORNIA RETAIL FOOD CODE.
UM, BUT FOR IF AMECO WAS, UH, IMPLEMENTED IN THE COUNTY, THEY WOULD ONLY BE ABLE TO SERVE IT IN THEIR HOME OR DELIVER IT, UM, OR HAVE IT PICKED UP, THEY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO SERVE IT AT A FESTIVAL OR ANOTHER SETTING.
AND EVERYONE ELSE COVERED ALL ON MY REST OF MY QUESTIONS.
UM, HAS THIS BEEN DONE IN OTHER COUNTIES? THERE'S SEVEN OTHER JURISDICTIONS THAT HAVE IMPLEMENTED AND ONE COUNTY SAN MATEO THAT IS DOING A PILOT STUDY FOR TWO YEARS.
AND WHAT ARE THE RESULTS OF THAT? I MEAN, WHAT'S THE PARTICIPATION RATE, UM, WAS THE COMPLAINT RATE.
SO THE LARGE MAJORITY OF THEM HAVE JUST IMPLEMENTED IN THE LAST SIX MONTHS OR SO.
UM, THE COUNTY OF RIVERSIDE, WHICH IS WHERE THE BILL, UH, WAS AUTHORED, UM, WAS THE FIRST TO IMPLEMENT.
THEY'VE HAD A PROGRAM FOR APPROXIMATELY TWO YEARS.
THE FIRST YEAR, UH, TWO YEARS AGO, UH, WAS A SLOW RAMP UP.
THEY HAD ABOUT 30, UH, PERMITTED MIGOS.
AND THE FIRST YEAR THEY CURRENTLY HAVE ABOUT 130 RIGHT NOW.
SO THEY SAW A BIG INCREASE IN, UH, OVER THE LAST YEAR.
UM, THEY HAVE NOT HAD ANY REPORTS OF FOODBORNE ILLNESS AND THEY'VE ONLY HAD, UH, UNDER A HANDFUL OF COMPLAINTS REGARDING THE PROGRAM.
SO THIS IS ALL JUST TO GIVE PEOPLE THE OPPORTUNITY TO START THEIR OWN RESTAURANT, TO GET A FEEL FOR IT BECAUSE THERE'S A FOOD DESERT, I DON'T KNOW OF A FOOD DESERT AND ALCOHOL.
AND WE HAVE A LOT OF RESTAURANTS HERE.
UM, JUST TO CLARIFY, A FOOD DESERT IS NOT THE LACK OF A RESTAURANT.
IT'S A LACK OF NUTRITIOUS FOOD.
SO THERE COULD BE AREAS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY
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WHERE THERE'S A LOT OF SAY LIQUOR STORES, CONVENIENCE STORES, BUT NOT STORES THAT ARE SERVING FRESH FRUITS AND VEGETABLES AND NUTRITIOUS FOOD ITEMS SUCH AS US.UM, THAT, TO CLARIFY, THE 130 MIGOS, WAS THAT IN RIVERSIDE COUNTY OR THE CITY OF RIVERSIDE COUNTY ALL ACROSS THE WHOLE COUNTY, CORRECT.
AND THEN MY OTHER QUESTION, AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WOULD ANSWER THIS AS, WHO WOULD BE TRACKING SALES TAX FOR THE 50,000 OR WHATEVER REVENUE THAT THESE MIGOS ARE GOING TO BE BRINGING IN, NOT THE DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH AND QUALITY.
SO, SO TYPICALLY, I MEAN, WE TRACK SALES TAX THAT'S REPORTED, BUT WE HAVE NO WAY OF KNOWING IF THERE'S A MICO ON WHATEVER STREET OPERATING, WE WOULD HAVE NO IDEA WHETHER THEY'RE GENERATING SALES TAX OR NOT.
SO I DON'T KNOW HOW WE WOULD AUDIT THAT.
I DON'T KNOW HOW ANYONE COULD AUDIT THE $50,000 LIMIT.
SO, SO IF THE PART OF, IF THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH ISN'T TRACKING THAT, THEN THERE'S NO ENTITY TRACKING SALES TAX AT THIS POINT, W WE WOULD ACTUALLY HAVE TO HIRE A COMPANY TO DO LIKE PRIVATE INVESTIGATION RESEARCH ON WHETHER SOMEONE'S REALLY SELLING AND COUNT HOW MANY CARS ARE GOING.
SO HAVING OWNED A BUSINESS WITH A FOOD ORIENTATION, TO IT, ALL DINE-IN BUSINESS TAXABLE, WHEN YOU, WHEN IT'S TO GO, THEN YOU HAVE TO DECIDE AND THERE'S RULES.
LIKE, IS IT CARBONATED? WELL, YES.
AND IT'S NOT, IF IT'S HOT COFFEE, IT'S TAXABLE.
IF IT'S COLD COFFEE, IT'S NOT TAXABLE.
AND SO IF THIS IS A DINING FACILITY, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR DELIVERY PERCENTAGE WOULD BE.
UH, BUT IF IT'S HOT FOOD, IT'S TAXABLE.
SO I THINK IT MIGHT BE PRETTY EASY TO WELL, AND THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO HAVE A BUSINESS LICENSE IS SO THAT MIGHT BE A, IT DOESN'T HAVE A BUSINESS LICENSE, SO WE CAN MAKE SOME ASSUMPTIONS THAT THEY'RE MAKING SALES.
SO WE DON'T KNOW HOW TO TRACK THAT.
WE DON'T KNOW WHO'S THE AMERICAN COUNCIL KETHER UM, IF THE COUNTY OPS IN, WILL THE STAFF OVER THE CITY OF OKLAHOMA BE ABLE TO SEE WHICH, UM, MAKOS HAVE BEEN LICENSED IN THE CITY OF OKLAHOMA.
WE HAVE A WEBSITE S D FOOD INFO.COM AND IT PROVIDES ALL OF OUR HEALTH PERMIT, ALL HEALTH PERMITTED LOCATION, SO THAT THAT'S AVAILABLE ONLINE FOR THE PUBLIC TO SEE.
UM, MOST OF MY QUESTIONS WERE ASKED, BUT A COUPLE THAT DIDN'T GET ASKED, UM, ARE THEY GOING TO BE QUIET AND HAVE CASH REGISTERS? THAT'S NOT OUTLINED IN THE STATE LAW.
SO THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH AND QUALITY WOULD BE LOOKING INTO MANDATING OR REGULATING.
THIS COULD BE A VERY LARGELY CASH BUSINESS.
IT COULD BE THAT'S OUTSIDE OF OUR SCOPE OF AUTHORITY.
SO YOU, I MEAN, CAUSE YOU DO KNOW THAT CASH BUSINESSES THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF THE NORMAL FLOW OF BUSINESS, WE HAVE ALMOST NO EYES ON IT WILL LEND ITSELF TO MONEY LAUNDERING AND ALL KINDS OF CRIMINAL ACTIVITIES AS THE COUNTY DISCUSSED THAT ARE, UH, OUR ROLE AS THE DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH AND QUALITY IS SPECIFIC TO THE CALIFORNIA RETAIL FOOD CODE.
AND THAT IS NOT INCLUDED IN THAT.
UM, WHAT ABOUT KIDS? UH, THESE ARE, THESE ARE HOMES.
I IMAGINE A LOT OF THESE HOMES THAT HAVE KIDS WORKING AT IT.
YOU DON'T HAVE KIDS LIVING IN RESTAURANTS.
SO THEY'RE GOING TO BE EXPOSED TO A LOT OF HAZARDS, NOT, NOT THE LEAST OF WHICH CHILD LABOR AND HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE ENFORCE THAT? THEY'RE NOT BEING USED AS, AS CHILD LABOR.
SO I, I CAN'T SPEAK TO THE CHILD LABOR, BUT THERE ARE SPECIFICATIONS IN THE CALIFORNIA RETAIL FOOD CODE, UH, THAT REQUIRE ONLY FOOD HANDLERS TO BE IN THE PREPARATION AREA WHILE THAT'S OCCURRING.
WHILE THE FOOD PREPARATION FOR THE MICO IS OCCURRING.
WHAT ABOUT PETS? PETS ARE PROHIBITED FROM THE PREPARATION AREA WHEN THEY'RE PREPARING FOOD FOR AMICA, BUT THEY HAVE IN THE HOUSE.
SO THE CAT HAIR ON THE DOG HAIR, IT IT'S ALL THERE.
AND THEN WHEN THEY SERVE LUNCH THAT DAY, THE CATS AND DOGS ARE SHOOTOUT, BUT THEY CAN HAVE THEIR FUR AND STUFF FLYING INTO THE FOOD.
I WOULDN'T SAY THAT IT WOULD FIND THE FOOD NECESSARILY, BUT THE CATS AND DOGS COULD BE PRESENT AFTER THEY'RE NOT DOING THE ACTIVE PREPARATION.
I WOULDN'T GO TO A RESTAURANT THAT HAD DOGS IN THE KITCHEN UP UNTIL THE TIME THAT THEY SERVE FOOD.
UM, MOST THE WAY THE QUESTIONS WERE WERE ASKED, BUT YOU MENTIONED THAT THERE WAS ONE COUNTY THAT WAS DOING A TWO YEAR,
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UH, PILOT STUDY PILOT, UM, DID THAT SAN MATEO COUNTY AND THEY'VE FULLY IMPLEMENTED THROUGHOUT THEIR ENTIRE JURISDICTION.THEY'VE IMPLEMENTED ACCORDING TO THE STATE LAW.
SO IT'S A FULL IMPLEMENTATION OF THE PROGRAM AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE TRACKING THAT PROGRAM TO DETERMINE WHAT THEIR COSTS AS A COUNTY ARE AND IF THERE'S ANY, YOU KNOW, IMPLICATIONS OR ISSUES OVER THE COURSE OF THE NEXT TWO YEARS.
SO I, I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND HOW THAT'S A PILOT PROGRAM, A PILOT PROGRAM IN FERNS TO ME THAT IT'S, IT'S A SMALL CROSS SECTION OF THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE, AND YOU'RE GONNA SEE HOW IT WORKS AND THEN YOU GET TO MOVE INTO THE FULL IMPLEMENTATION.
SO THIS STATE LAW DOES NOT ALLOW FOR A PARTIAL IMPLEMENTATION BECAUSE IT IS, I'M AN OPT-IN FOR THE WHOLE REGION OF THAT GOVERNING AUTHORITY.
AND SO, UH, IT'S ACTUALLY NOT ALLOWED TO DO A SMALLER SEGMENT OF A PILOT, BUT PILOT STUDY IN THIS INSTANCE IS REALLY MEANT TO HAVE THEM RETURN BACK TO THEIR BOARD IN TWO YEARS TO PROVIDE ANY DATA AND INFORMATION THAT THEY'VE LEARNED FROM IMPLEMENTING THAT MIKKO PROGRAM TO DETERMINE IF THEY WANT TO CONTINUE WITH IT OR MAKE CHANGES TO THEIR, UH, OR DEVELOP A LOCAL ORDINANCE AFTER THE TWO YEARS.
UM, SO THIS IS NOT CODIFIED YET, RIGHT? IT HAS TO BE, IS THERE, IS THERE A TO IMPLEMENT THE PROGRAM, BUT IT SEEMS THEY'RE GOING TO BE REVISITING IT IN TWO YEARS.
NO MORE VOTES ON THIS IS DONE.
THE, AS A JURISDICTION, THEY CAN OPT IN OR OPT OUT AT ANY TIME.
SO IT SEEMS THAT THEIR BOARD DECIDED TO OPT IN FOR A TWO YEAR PERIOD.
AND THEN REEVALUATE, WHEN YOU SAID THEY'RE BORED, YOU MEANT THE SAN MATEO, THE, I'M SORRY, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE CITY OF SAN DIEGO.
I MISUNDERSTOOD YOUR QUESTION.
SO NO, NOTHING HAS BEEN CODIFIED LOCALLY HERE.
UH, WE WERE GIVEN DIRECTION TO RETURN IN 120 DAYS, WHICH WILL BE ROUGHLY SOMETIME IN JANUARY, UH, WITH PROGRAM OPTIONS, AN ORDINANCE, AN EDUCATIONAL PROGRAM FOR MIKKO OPERATORS AFTER CONDUCTING A LOCAL MUNICIPAL OUTREACH.
WELL, UM, I ASSUME THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE REPORTING BACK TO THE COUNTY BOARD SUPERVISORS ABOUT THIS MEETING.
AND ALSO MR. MANN, WE DO HAVE SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM.
I'M JUST ASKING, I'M MAKING AN ASK, UM, FROM MY SPECIFIC POINT OF VIEW, AS THE MAYOR AND I BELIEVE THE REST OF THE CITY COUNCIL AT THAT TO SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES, BUT I'M GUESSING THIS THERE, THE CITY COUNCIL IS THE HUMANLY OPPOSED TO THIS AT EVERY SINGLE LEVEL THAT IT'S BAD FOR THE CITY.
AND IT'S AN OVERREACH OF COUNTY AUTHORITY, WHICH IS NOTHING NEW WHAT'S HAPPENING FOR THE LAST YEAR.
WE WOULD RESPECTFULLY ASK THE COUNTY TO LEAVE US ALONE AND LET, LET US RUN THE CITY THE WAY WE WANT TO RUN THE CITY AND THE STAY OUT OF IT.
THAT'D BE MY ASK MORE QUESTIONS.
I GOT SOME OF I GET THE GIST IS YOU'RE ANSWERING TODAY FROM THE POINT OF VIEW OF DEPARTMENT OF IRON MENTAL HEALTH.
YOU REALLY CAN'T ADDRESS INSURANCE PER OKAY.
HOW ABOUT ALCOHOLS THAT FALL UNDER YOUR, IT DOES NOT, BUT WE HAVE SPOKEN WITH THE ABC AND, UH, ALCOHOL LICENSES WOULD BE ALLOWED AT MICO ESTOPPEL.
SO I WILL SHARE WITH YOU MY FEEDBACK ON THAT TO SHARE WITH WHOEVER YOU FEEL IS APPROPRIATE.
ALCOHOL IS GOING TO BE A TOUCH, A TRIGGER POINT HERE BECAUSE, UH, ALREADY IN CERTAIN CENSUS TRACKS AND ALCOHOL, AND THERE'S AN OVER-SATURATION OF LIQUOR ESTABLISHMENTS AND THE ABC HAS SAID NO MORE.
I BELIEVE THAT'S OFFSITE VERSUS ONSITE DETERMINES, YOU KNOW, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS, BUT THIS WOULD BE AN ONSITE CONSUMPTION OF ALCOHOL, BUT THE STATE HAS SAID RECENTLY, HEY, YOU CAN PACKAGE ALCOHOL TO GO THROUGH 20, 26.
SO NICOS COULD SELL ALCOHOL AND HAVE IT TO GO.
IN FACT, THEY COULD SELL ONLY ALCOHOL THROUGH THEIR ONSITE PERMIT.
AND NOW IF THE STATE LAW FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, GOODBYE, SEE YOU LATER WITH THIS ALCOHOL.
SO THAT'S A CONCERN, OBVIOUSLY, AS THE MAYOR SAID, WHEN YOU HAVE CHILDREN IN THE HOUSE AND NOW YOU ADD ALCOHOL TO A PRESENCE, UH, THAT'S A CONCERN, ALSO A LIABILITY WHO'S I SUPPOSE NOW THESE MICO OPERATORS HAVE TO BE LIKE BARTENDERS AND KIND OF JUDGE YOU'VE HAD ENOUGH AND GET INTO THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
AND IF THERE'S FIGHTS OR DISAGREEMENTS, NOW THE POLICE GET INVOLVED AND THEN IT'S LIKE COST TO US AND ITS IMPACT ON THE NEIGHBORHOODS.
SO ALCOHOL'S KIND OF A WILD CARD ON THIS ONE TOO.
AND, UH, I DON'T SEE A WHOLE LOT OF GOOD THINGS COMING OUT OF ALCOHOL IN THIS ONE SITE, ESPECIALLY WITH THE, THE, UH, EXEMPTION OR WHATEVER
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FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS OF OFFSITE, UH, DELIVERY OF ALCOHOL.SO THAT'S A CONCERN OF MINE OR WHOEVER YOU TALK TO IN THAT AREA, I'D APPRECIATE YOU SHARING THAT.
IS THIS SERVING OF ALCOHOL, AN OPTION, A LOCAL ORDINANCE OPTION TO NOT ALLOW SERVING ALCOHOL OR IS THAT JUST PACKAGING IN THE BILL? THAT WOULD BE UP TO THE ABC THAT'S UP TO THE ABC.
BUT I GUESS THE QUESTION WOULD BE UNDER, UNDER MICO, COULD THE CITY OF ALCOHOL AND HAVE ITS OWN ORDINANCE SAYING THERE SHALL THERE SHALL BE NO SALE OF ALCOHOL IN RESIDENTIAL ZONE NEIGHBORHOODS.
I'M NOT SURE THE ANSWER TO THAT.
CERTAINLY THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN LOOK INTO WITH COUNSEL.
WE'LL FOLLOW UP WITH COUNTY COUNCIL ON THAT THE SALE OF ALCOHOL BE A DEAL KILLER FOR ME.
I THINK THAT'S, WE WORKED REALLY HARD IN THIS COUNCIL TO KEEP I'LL CALL OUT THE HANDS OF KIDS MORE SO THAN PROBABLY ANY OTHER CITY IN THE COUNTY.
SO, YOU KNOW, HAVING, UH, ALCOHOL STACKED UP IN SOMEBODY'S KITCHEN, UH, I THINK IS A REALLY BAD WAY TO GO.
AND IT'S KIND OF AGAINST THE UNWRITTEN POLICY.
YOU MIGHT SAY THAT THIS COUNCIL HAS HAD FOR THE LAST 20 YEARS AND WE, WE, WE HAVE A REAL PROBLEM WITH ALCOHOL, UH, IN THE CITY OF OKLAHOMA.
LET'S GO AHEAD AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING.
LET'S GO AHEAD AND HOP ON A CALL AND SPEAKERS.
THE FIRST ONE IS KAREN MELVIN.
MY NAME IS KAREN MELVIN, AND I AM THE CO-LEADER OF THE SAN DIEGO MICO COALITION.
I'M HONORED TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS YOU TODAY, HONORABLE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS.
UM, BUT THE TRUTH IS THE OPPORTUNITIES AND BENEFITS OF ALLOWING A MICO PERMITTING AND MINT ARE MANY.
AND THE CONCERNS PUT FORWARD HAVE NOT BECOME A REALITY IN THE COUNTIES.
MIGOS ARE ALREADY OPERATING THE REPORT THAT THE CITY STAFF COMPILED LISTED MANY BENEFITS OF MIGOS, BUT THEY ONLY LISTED WHAT ADVOCATES SAID.
THEY DID NOT APPEAR TO SPEAK WITH ACTUAL PEOPLE IN THIS CITY WHO ARE EAGERLY WAITING FOR THE CHANCE TO BECOME A MIKA PEOPLE WHO WOULD BE ABLE TO LIVE A DIGNIFIED LIFE OF SELF-RELIANCE AND EMPOWERMENT BY INCREASING THEIR FAMILY INCOME AND CONTRIBUTING POSITIVELY TO THE ECONOMY OF ALCOA HOME BY THE NEGATIVE COMMENT, BY THE NEGATIVE RECOMMENDATION BEFORE YOU TODAY, I SEE THAT YOU AND YOUR STAFF HAVE MANY CONCERNS, AND IT'S BEEN VERY, UM, ADEQUATELY EXPRESSED WHEN CITY STAFF SPOKE WITH CODE COMPLIANCE, BUILDING SAFETY PLANNING, FIRE, AND PUBLIC WORKS ABOUT CONCERNED.
IT FAILED TO NOTE THE ACTUAL DATA ON MICO THAT EXIST IN CALIFORNIA COUNTIES THAT HAVE ALREADY OPTED IN TO HAVE NIKOS.
AS HEATHER BONO SAID, RIVERSIDE COUNTY HAS HAD MICO SINCE JULY 1ST, 2019, AND OVER 130 MIGOS ARE CURRENTLY OPERATING THERE.
SO WE DO HAVE TWO YEARS WORTH OF DATA TO SEE A FEARS OF FOOD, SAFETY OVERSIGHT, PARKING TRAFFIC, NOISE CONCERNS HAVE BEEN BORN OUT.
I PERSONALLY CONDUCTED A PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST OF THE RIVERSIDE COUNTY DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH, ALONG WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT OF 23 CITIES, INCORPORATED CITIES AND THE COUNTY OF RIVERSIDE FOR THE 133 MICO HOME ADDRESSES AND YES, COUNTY OF RIVERSIDE LIST HUNDRED AND 30.
THEY LIST ALL THE CURRENT MIGOS PER ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC DISEASE.
WHO'S OPERATING A MICO IN THE COUNTY OF RIVERSIDE.
THE FINDINGS WERE ZERO FOOD SAFETY RELATED COMPLAINTS, AND ONLY TWO CASES OF NUISANCE ISSUES INVOLVING BRAND NEW MIGOS.
THE OTHER HUNDRED AND 31 MIGOS AND OUR RECORDS REQUESTS HAD NO COMPLAINTS.
THEY HAD A HUNDRED PERCENT COMPLIANCE RATE IN FOOD SAFETY AND A 98.5 COMPLIANCE RATES FOR NUISANCE ISSUES.
IN TWO YEARS OF OPERATION AND OVER A HUNDRED THOUSAND MEALS SERVED GREECE WAS BROUGHT UP AS A CONCERN BY THIS GROUP.
BUT IN ANALYSIS OF THE MEAL OFFERINGS OF RIVERSIDE HOME COOK SHOW, ONLY 6% OF THE MENU ITEMS ARE DEEP FRIED.
AND WHILE GREASE, TRAPS AND SUCH ARE NOT A REQUIREMENT, UM, THEY ARE, THEY ARE AND HAVE BEEN UTILIZED BY HOME COOKS IN RIVERSIDE COUNTY.
MY CAREER WAS WITH GOVERNMENT AND A REGULATORY AGENCY.
SO I UNDERSTAND THE ORIGINS OF THE CONCERNS PUT FORWARD, BUT I ALSO KNOW THAT GOOD LEADERS WANT TO MAKE A DECISION ON THE BEST DATA AND INFORMATION POSSIBLE.
SO THAT IS WHAT I HAVE ENDEAVORED TO BRING YOU TODAY.
LOOKING AT ACTUAL DATA AND FACTS, I URGE
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YOU TO PAUSE THE NEGATIVE RECOMMENDATION AND INSTEAD CONSIDER THE POSSIBILITY OF SUGGESTING TO THE BOARD A TWO YEAR TRIAL BASIS FOR THEM ECO ORDINANCE.UM, I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW MANY MEALS PER DAY YET, UH, IS SELLING.
SO DID YOU SAY WE HAD, THERE WERE A HUNDRED THOUSAND MEALS PREPARED IN WHATEVER IT'S COLLECTIVELY OF ALL THE MAKOS OVER THE TWO YEAR PERIOD OF TIME OPERATING IN RIVERSIDE COUNTY.
SO 100,000 DIVIDED BY ONE THIRTY THREE, SEVEN HUNDRED AND FIFTY ONE OVER TWO YEARS.
THAT'S IF THEY SERVE 60 A WEEK, RIGHT.
AND THEY DON'T NECESSARILY NEED TO SERVE AT THAT LIMIT.
AND MANY PEOPLE OPT TO BE PART-TIME OR SEASONAL, RIGHT.
SO IT'S 751 MEALS FOR 133 OUTLETS OVER TWO YEARS.
AM I, AM I CORRECT THERE? UM, I'LL GO WITH WHAT YOU SAY CAUSE I'M NOT ENVISIONING IT JUST VERBALLY, SO, SO, OKAY.
SO, UH, DIVIDED BY 365 DAYS IN A YEAR, THAT'S ONLY TWO, UH, TWO PER DAY FOR, FOR TWO YEARS.
IT ACTUALLY IT'S HALF OF THAT.
SO, LIKE I SAID, PEOPLE THAT WANT A HOME-BASED BUSINESS HAVE REASONS TO, WHETHER THEY'RE CARING FOR A SPECIAL NEEDS CHILD OR AN OLDER ADULT, THEY WANT TO WORK OUT OF THEIR HOME.
THEY WANT TO ADJUST THEIR HOURS.
THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY INTERESTED IN WORKING 40 TO 60 HOURS A WEEK.
SOME OF THEM ONLY WANT, AND A LOT OF THEM ONLY WOULD DO IT ON THE WEEKENDS.
THE BEAUTY OF IT IS THE FLEXIBILITY OF IT.
THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT CANNOT WORK OUTSIDE THEIR HOME AND GO TO WORK EVERY DAY AT A RESTAURANT.
AND THERE ARE COOKS THAT WANT TO WORK OUT OF THEIR HOME OR HAD, OR THIS IS THE WAY THEY CAN CONTRIBUTE, UM, FOR MANY DIFFERENT REASONS.
SO THIS JUST PROVIDES AN OPTION THAT IS CURRENTLY NOT AVAILABLE TO PEOPLE.
SO I'M A LITTLE BIT TORN IN THIS BECAUSE I LIKE TO SEE THE ENTREPRENEUR ENTREPRENEURS START OUT, YOU KNOW, IN A SMALL VENUE.
I, SO I HAD A MAIL ORDER, BUSINESS SELLING COMIC BOOKS OUT OF MY PARENTS' GARAGE WHEN I WAS 19.
SO, AND, AND THAT LED TO ME TO BEING ABLE TO GET A WAREHOUSE LATER ON, BUT WITHOUT HAVING USED THEIR GARAGE, I WOULD HAVE BEEN OUT OF LUCK.
FORTUNATELY, IT WASN'T A COUNTY AND I DIDN'T NEED A BUSINESS LICENSE.
UM, SO IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF IMPACT GIVEN THIS TWO MEALS, YOU KNOW, WHICH OVER TWO YEARS PER OUTLET, I'M SURE SUMMIT, THIS IS JUST AN AVERAGE, BUT I'M SURE THERE SOME MORE, UH, I HAVE GRAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE ALCOHOL.
UM, UH, IT JUST DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THAT BIG OF AN IMPACT.
I'M KIND OF A FREE MARKET KIND OF GUY.
AND, BUT WITH A CAVEAT THAT THE PEOPLE CAN'T GET POISONED OR, AND AGONY, AND FOR SURE, JUST LIKE A RESTAURANT DOES NOT WANT TO HAVE FOOD POISONING.
HE BROUGHT A REPUTATION, A HOME COOK.
THEY DON'T WANT THAT TO BE PART OF THEIR REPUTATION.
TH THERE'S ONLINE PLATFORMS THAT THEY SELL AND PEOPLE RATE THESE PEOPLE JUST LIKE THEY RATE RESTAURANTS.
AND SO THAT'S GOING TO KILL THEIR BUSINESS TOO.
SO THEY'RE EXTREMELY, AND THE PERSON GOING INSIDE, NO, THEY KNOW THAT THEY'RE GOING INTO, YOU KNOW, THEY KNOW THERE'S A LITTLE BIT MORE RISK THERE THAN GOING INTO A RESTAURANT.
I MEAN, IT'S, YOU KNOW, UH, SO I'M, UH, I'M ON THE FENCE ON THIS RIGHT NOW BECAUSE I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF, UH, IMMIGRANTS THAT DON'T KNOW HOW TO DO ANYTHING ELSE, BUT BOY, CAN THEY COOK WELL, CAN THEY COOK HERE? RIGHT.
I KNOW WHEN I WAS TEACHING DOWN AT SOUTHWESTERN COLLEGE, A LOT OF TIMES MY STUDENTS WOULD BRING IN ME IN SOME SPECIALTY HOME COOKED MEAL AND SOMETHING WRAPPED IN BANANAS AND THEN GO, WOW, THIS IS GREAT.
AND I KNEW THAT MAY HAVE HAD A DOG WALKING THROUGH THE KITCHEN OR THEIR CAT OR WHATEVER, BUT, YOU KNOW, I GOT TWO DOGS AND THEY WALKED THROUGH THE KITCHEN WHEN I'M COOKING.
SO, UM, OKAY, WELL YOU GOT ME THINKING.
THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME, UH, I, I UNDERSTAND THE IMPACT, NOT A LOT.
SO I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS, UM, OUT OF THE 130 OR SO HOW MANY SERVE ALCOHOL? UM, FROM REPORTS I'VE HEARD? UM, ONLY ONE HAS PURSUED IT.
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ONE.AND I DON'T THINK IT'S EASY TO GET AN ABC, LIKE THE RIVERSIDE COUNTY TEST GROUPS, ACTUAL WHAT HAS ACTUALLY HAPPENED, WHERE MIGOS HAVE BEEN OPERATING IN THE RIVERSIDE GROUP AND THE RIVERSIDE GROUP ONLY ONE HAS EVEN PURSUED IT.
SO YOU SAID 98.5%? NO, I'M CHANGING TOPICS, SORRY.
98.5% DID NOT HAVE NUISANCE ISSUES.
SO WHEN YOU SAY NUISANCE, DO YOU MEAN CALLS FROM POLICE? I DID A CODE ENFORCEMENT PUBLIC RECORDS ACT FOR TRAFFIC AND NOISE SPECIFICALLY FOR THE ADDRESS IS LISTED ON THE WEBSITE FOR RIVERSIDE COUNTY DEH.
AND I ASKED THEM ALL VERY SIMILAR QUESTIONS AND, UM, IT WAS A TEDIOUS THING TO DO, BUT I FELT IT REALLY HAD TO BE DONE SO WE COULD DEAL WITH ACTUAL FACTS AND NOT JUST THEORETICAL CONCERNS.
UM, YOU SAID ABOUT A HUNDRED THOUSAND MEALS.
YOU SAID ABOUT 6% OF THEM WERE THAT'S FROM WHAT WE KNOW FROM SERVING THE MENUS, LIKE I SAID, MANY OF THEM ADVERTISE ON AN ONLINE PLATFORM, SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT THEIR MENUS ARE.
AND, UM, AND OUR SURVEY HAS ESTIMATED ABOUT 6% OF THE MENU ITEMS IN FOR THE ENTIRE COUNTY, OUR DEEP PRIDE.
SO THAT'S ABOUT 6,000 DEEP FRIED, UH, ITEMS OVER TWO YEARS, WHICH IS NOT A LOT, BUT TO ME IT'S NOT HOW MUCH GREASE GOES INTO THE FOOD.
IT'S HOW MUCH GREASE YOU'RE RECYCLING EACH DAY, I'LL LEAVE THE TWO GALLONS OF GREASE OR WHATEVER.
WE'LL BE TRAINED AS FOOD MANAGERS.
THAT'S PART OF THEIR REQUIREMENT.
THEY WILL BE EDUCATED AND YOU KNOW, WHICH IS FAR MORE THAN IT'S HAPPENING NOW IN AN INFORMAL FOOD ECONOMY WHERE THERE'S NO EDUCATION, NO OVERSIGHT.
SO THIS IS AN ATTEMPT TO BRING SOME OF THE INFORMAL FOOD ECONOMY INTO SOME AMOUNT OF REGULATION OVERSIGHT AND FOOD SAFETY.
UM, I HAVE AN UNUSUAL EXPERIENCE IN THAT.
I WORKED FOR JACK IN THE BOX, IN THE CORPORATE OFFICE IN 1993 DURING THE E-COLI CRISIS.
AND SO I KNOW A LOT ABOUT FOOD SAFETY.
I'VE BEEN THROUGH HASSOP, UH, SERVSAFE WAS A SURF STATE MANAGER.
UH, IT'S REALLY DIFFICULT TO PINPOINT THE SOURCE OF FOOD POISONING.
MY EXPERIENCE FROM WHAT I'VE LEARNED IS OFTEN, MOST OFTEN FOOD POISONING OCCURS ABOUT SIX HOURS AFTER YOU'VE INGESTED.
IT TAKES THAT LONG TO, TO MAKE YOUR SYSTEM UPSET.
SO MY QUESTION TO YOU, MAYBE THIS IS A QUESTION FOR HEATHER, UH, WHICH YOU CAN ADDRESS IN THERE.
YOU CAN HAVE HER COME UP WHENEVER YOU WANT, BUT, UM, IF SOMEBODY CALLS AND SAYS, HEY, I ATE FOOD FROM A MICO LAST NIGHT.
AND I, BOY, I WAS UP ALL NIGHT.
UM, ARE THEY GOING OUT TO DO A SPECIAL INSPECTION BASED ON THAT? ABSOLUTELY.
AND WILL THE COUNTY BE POSTING A, B AND C CARDS IN THE WINDOW, JUST LIKE THEY DO AT COMMERCIAL LOCATIONS.
DO YOU KNOW SO FAR? UM, THE COUNTY OF RIVERSIDE DOES NOT POST A, B AND C.
WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO POST GRADE CARDS.
THAT'S NOT ALLOWED PER THE STATE LAW, SO THEY WOULD NOT HAVE A GRADE CARD LIKE A REGULAR RESTAURANT WOULD.
UM, BUT I WANT TO GO BACK TO THE FOOD BORNE ILLNESS QUESTION BECAUSE FOODBORNE ILLNESS IS LARGELY DEPENDENT ON THE PATHOGEN THAT THE PERSON GOT.
SO SIX HOURS TO 72 HOURS TO TWO WEEKS.
IT ALL DEPENDS ON THE PATHOGEN.
BUT WHEN WE DO RECEIVE A COMPLAINT FOR FOODBORNE ILLNESS, WE DO A THREE-DAY DIETARY INTAKE.
WE WORK CLOSELY WITH PUBLIC HEALTH.
WE GO OUT AND DO A FIELD INVESTIGATION.
SO FOODBORNE ILLNESS HAS TAKEN VERY SERIOUSLY, WHETHER IT'S FOR A MIKKO OR A RESCUE WITH THE COUNTY B UH, INSTEAD OF THE ANNUAL INSPECTION, THE COUNTY WOULD GO OUT ON AN ADDITIONAL, AND IT WOULD ALLOW FOR THAT ADDITIONAL INSPECTION, IF THERE'S A REPORT OF FOODBORNE ILLNESS OR A COMPLAINT WITH THE PUBLIC KNOW THAT THAT LICO SCORED 72% AND HAS A C IN THE WINDOW VERSUS UP THERE THERE'S FOOD INFO.COM POST ALL OF OUR INSPECTION RESULTS.
SO CAN YOU SEE, MY, THIS IS ACTUALLY IS A DEH COUNTY ISSUE I'D LIKE TO CONSIDER IS YOU'RE SAYING STATE LAW PROHIBITS THE POSTING OF THESE COUNTY GRADES.
WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO, AS PART OF OUR LOCAL ORDINANCE INCLUDE THEM IN OUR GRADING ORDINANCE.
SO YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHEN YOU WALK INTO A MICO, WHETHER THEY SCORED A 72 OR 98, LIKE YOU DO A COMMERCIAL RESTAURANT@OURAPPANDLOOKATSDFOODINFO.COM AND SEE THEIR MOST RECENT INSPECTION SCORE.
I WOULD PROBABLY SPEAK FOR THE PUBLIC AND SAYING, IT'S PROBABLY NOT GOING TO HAPPEN BEFORE I GO TO A MICO.
SO, UM, I UNDERSTAND THERE ARE YELP REVIEWS TOO.
UM, YOU JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS, SORRY.
NO, THANK YOU FOR COMING UP AS A SPEAKER.
PLEASE KNOW, WE DON'T NORMALLY QUESTION SPEAKERS THIS INTENSELY.
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FOR ME, AND MAYBE FOR THE REST OF THE COUNCIL, PART OF OUR REZ PART OF OUR RESERVATION ON THIS IS THAT WE'RE GOING, YOU KNOW, IF THE COUNTY DECIDES TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS, WE'RE GOING TO BE MANDATED.SO AS LEADERS OF THE CITY, WE DON'T HAVE A CHOICE IN THIS MATTER.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S A BIG RESERVATION.
I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND YOUR DUTIES.
I, I KNOW OF, UM, A GENTLEMAN IN RIVERSIDE WHO'S PARAPLEGIC AND HE MAKES CANDY OUT OF HIS HOME.
I'VE SEEN THE VIDEOS HE MAKES.
I DON'T KNOW IF I'D WANT TO EAT HIS CANDY.
UM, AND MY QUESTION IS IF THE CITY HAS NO OPTION ON THIS, THE RESIDENTS WON'T HAVE AN OPTION ON THIS.
SO YOU HAVE AN APARTMENT BUILDING WITH MAYBE 40, 50, 60, UH, APARTMENTS IN IT, LARGE COMPLEX, AND SAY, FOR EXAMPLE, IT'S A LARGE, UM, IMMIGRANT COMMUNITY.
AND YES, I, I, I WANT TO ENCOURAGE THEM TO BECOME A PART OF THE WORKFORCE TO ENCOURAGE THEM TO, YOU KNOW, COME OUT AND START THEIR OWN BUSINESS.
BUT THE OTHER RESIDENTS THAT LIVE THERE, THEY DON'T HAVE AN OPTION.
SO MAYBE YOU'VE GOT PAKISTANI FOOD OVER HERE IN THIS CORNER, AND YOU'VE GOT MEXICAN FOOD OVER IN THIS CORNER AND YOU, MAYBE YOU HAVE ETHIOPIAN FOOD NEXT DOOR TO THEM.
AND THEN AFTER A WHILE, YOU'VE GOT, I MEAN, I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN, BUT IF YOU HAVE A LARGE COMPLEX AND YOU HAVE SEVERAL MIGOS IN THAT COMPLEX, WHAT ABOUT THE RESIDENTS WHO LIVE THERE, WHO ARE SAYING, I CAN'T TAKE THIS ANYMORE.
AND SO NOW THEY HAVE TO EITHER PUT UP WITH SOMETHING THAT REALLY IMPACTS THEIR LIFE.
MAYBE THE SMELLS, UM, MAYBE THEY'RE REALLY ALLERGIC TO PEANUTS, OR MAYBE THEY'RE REALLY ALLERGIC TO GARLIC AND THEY DON'T HAVE A CHOICE TO GET OUT.
AND NOW THEY'VE GOT TO PUT UP WITH IT BECAUSE MAYBE, OKAY, TYPICALLY THIS IS GOING TO HAPPEN IN MAYBE A LOW RENT APARTMENT COMPLEX.
SO THEY WERE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO MOVE.
HOW IS THAT FAIR TO THEM? I WILL SAY THAT THEY DO HAVE THE OPTION TO CALL CODE ENFORCEMENT.
WHEN I DID MY PUBLIC RECORDS ACT REQUEST, I DID GET, UM, ONE CODE ENFORCEMENT REPORT THAT CAME TO ME THAT SAID THAT THE NEIGHBOR, SOMEONE WAS COOKING OUTDOORS AND THEY HAD JUST BECOME A MICO.
AND, UM, THE NEIGHBOR COMPLAINED THAT THERE WERE ODORS.
AND SO CODE ENFORCEMENT WENT OUT AND SPOKE TO THE PEOPLE AND TOLD THEM THEY NEEDED TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR.
AND WE CERTAINLY WOULD AGREE WITH THAT.
AND SO, AND THEY TOLD THEM THEY HAD TO BRING THEIR OPERATION INSIDE.
AND SO, UM, THEY WENT BACK AND EVEN CODE ENFORCEMENT WENT BACK IN 30 DAYS AND EVEN FOLLOWED UP.
AND NOW THOSE PEOPLE HAD OPTED NOT TO CONTINUE BEING A MICO FOR WHATEVER REASON, BUT, UM, THE NEIGHBOR DID COMPLAIN.
THERE WAS EVEN A 30 DAY FOLLOW-UP ACTION TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT MIKKO WAS BEING A GOOD NEIGHBOR AND WE TOTALLY SUPPORT BECAUSE BEING GOOD NEIGHBORS.
BUT I UNDERSTAND THOUGH THAT A LOT IN OUR IMMIGRANT COMMUNITY DOES NOT REPORT TO THE POLICE OR NOT REPORT TO CODE ENFORCEMENT.
THEY, THEY DON'T COME FROM THAT MENTALITY.
UM, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE BASICALLY HOW I'M JUST GOING TO PUT UP WITH IT BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE USED TO.
SO I THINK PART OF IT IS WE'RE, YOU KNOW, IF THIS GOES THROUGH, WE HAVE NO CHOICE RESIDENTS WON'T HAVE A CHOICE AND I'M NOT SAYING IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN, BUT IT JUST SEEMS LIKE WHY NOT ORGANIZE THESE PEOPLE THAT WANT TO DO IT RENT A LARGE KITCHEN AND HAVE THEM WORK OUT OF THIS KITCHEN AS A JOINT VENTURE? MEANING, UM, I KNOW WHEN I WORKED FOR A CATERER, WE SHARED THE KITCHEN WITH ANOTHER RESTAURANT.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE WERE ABLE TO USE THE SAME OVEN, SO REFRIGERATORS AND EVERYTHING ELSE, WHY NOT ENCOURAGE THAT? THAT'S A SMALL OPERATION.
EVERYTHING IS, IS, IS, UH, MONITORED A LOT MORE THAN OUT OF SOMEONE'S HOME.
AND BECAUSE YOU'VE WORKED WITH ALL OF THIS, THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING YOU IS, IS WHY NOT ENCOURAGE THAT TYPE OF MENTALITY VERSUS COMING OUT OF THE HOME, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO ALCOHOL.
I WOULD NOT WANT TO KNOW THAT SOMEONE IS MAKING THEIR OWN MOONSHINE OR THEIR OWN VODKA OR WHATEVER WITHOUT REGULATIONS.
AND THEY'RE JUST MAKING IT OUT OF THEIR HOME AND SELLING IT.
WELL, I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD BE LEGAL ANYWAY.
I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE SELLING ALCOHOL.
WHAT ARE THE, IF THEY'RE SELLING ALCOHOL, HOW WHAT'S THE POINT OF SELLING ALCOHOL UNLESS YOU'RE MAKING IT? I CAN'T, I MEAN, I MEAN, YOU BOUGHT, YOU CAN BUY ALCOHOL AT A STORE.
SO, SO WE MONITOR THINGS STATEWIDE.
AND SO FAR, UM, A REGULATED PERMITTED MICO HAS NOT BEEN REPORTED MAKING MOONSHINE.
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IS WHAT'S HAPPENED SO FAR.UM, THE OTHER THING I'LL SAY TOO, IS THAT, UM, WE DO PEOPLE THAT WANT ME CO'S THAT ACTUALLY HAVE RENTED A COMMERCIAL KITCHEN KITCHEN, AND JUST FOUND IT COST PROHIBITED AND FOUND THAT THEY WERE HARDLY EVER HOME WITH THEIR CHILDREN.
AND SO THEY DO WANT TO COOK OUT OF THEIR HOME THE OTHER WAY TO LOOK AT IT TOO, IS THAT WHERE THE SCENARIO YOU SAID, WHERE THERE'S A PAKISTANIAN AND MEXICAN AND A
I MEAN, THEY HAVE A CHANCE TO HAVE ETHNICALLY CULTURALLY APPROPRIATE FOOD, RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO HIM, THAT'S AVAILABLE TO THEM THAT WOULD NOT BE AVAILABLE TO THEM OTHERWISE.
SO THERE IS A POSITIVE TO THAT.
ALTHOUGH I DO HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT SAY I CAN'T EAT ANY OF THAT FOOD NOW.
IT'S NOT ALL GOING TO BE JUST ETHNIC FOOD.
I MEAN, THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE THAT MAKE A VARIETY OF THINGS.
UM, WHAT WAS THE NAME OF YOUR ORGANIZATION THAT YOU READ THE SAN DIEGO MICO COALITION, SAN DIEGO COALITION.
AND SO ARE YOU LOCAL HERE? YEAH.
YOU'RE NOT IN RIVERSIDE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
SO WHAT'S THE GOAL OF THE ORGANIZATION.
YOU MENTIONED TRAINING AND EDUCATION AND OR IS THAT, IS THAT KIND OF THE GOAL OF THE COALITION? WE'RE NOT LIKE A 5 0 1 C3.
WE'RE A COALITION OF PEOPLE, ORGANIZATIONS, NONPROFITS, AND INDIVIDUALS HAVE COME TOGETHER BECAUSE WE HAVE SEEN THE BENEFITS OF MICRO ENTERPRISE HOME KITCHEN OPERATIONS.
I WILL SAY FOR MYSELF, UM, THAT I WAS THE, UM, LEAD FOR THE LEADERSHIP COUNCIL FOR SAN DIEGO FOOD SYSTEM ALLIANCE.
AND IT WAS DURING 2018 AND I WAS TRACKING STATE LEGISLATION AS A PART OF WHAT I DID AS A CHAIR.
AND THAT'S HOW IT CAME TO MY ATTENTION, UM, THAT WHEN IT WAS GOING THROUGH THE STATE LEGISLATURE AND OF ALL THE BILLS I READ, UM, REGARDING FOOD AND FOOD SYSTEMS, THIS ONE REALLY RESONATED WITH ME VERY MUCH SO BECAUSE IT GAVE PEOPLE NOT JUST MONEY HANDED TO THEM, IT GAVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO WORK AND TO OWN THEIR OWN BUSINESS, TO BRIDGE SOME OF THESE BARRIERS THAT HAVE PREVENTED PEOPLE FROM COMING IN AS, UM, MS. COUNCILMAN KENDRICK SAID, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE THAT ARE ENTREPRENEURIAL AND HAVE WANTED TO ENTER INTO THE FOOD BUSINESS.
THIS NOW GIVES THEM THE OPPORTUNITY WITH CONTROLS IN PLACE.
AND AS I SAID EARLIER IN MY TALK, IT'S PROVING ITSELF, NOT TO BE, UM, IT'S PROVING ITSELF TO LARGELY RUN IN COMPLIANCE.
AND THIS IS ACROSS ALL CITIES AND INCORPORATED AREAS.
WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT WHAT'S ALREADY BEEN HAPPENING BECAUSE AS YOU KNOW, THAT'S A GOOD INDICATOR OF WHAT COULD HAPPEN HERE TOO.
AND I GUESS MY OTHER QUESTION IS THE COALITION IS OBVIOUSLY ADVOCATING FOR IT.
IS THERE PLANS FOR THE COALITION TO BECOME A 5 0 1 C3 AND, AND KIND OF FORM A GROUP THAT BRINGS IN ALL THESE INDIVIDUAL NIKOS AND DOES TRAININGS AND DOES ONE THING WE HAVE, UM, HAVE COMMUNICATED TO DHQ IS THAT, UM, WE DON'T PLAN ON COMING TO THE DOOR OF THE ORDINANCE VOTE, AND IF IT PASSES, THEN JUST LEAVE AND NO WE'RE COMMITTED TO WHEN IT COMES TO THE ORDINANCE VOTE.
AND IF THE ORDINANCE DOES PASS, THEN WE'RE COMMITTED TO, AND HEATHER BONO HAD SAID TOO THAT, UM, THEY HAVE TO COME BACK WITH A PLAN FOR EDUCATING PEOPLE, UM, NOT, AND, AND AGAIN, EDUCATING THOSE PEOPLE OPERATING PERHAPS WITHOUT A PERMIT RIGHT NOW, EDUCATING THEM THAT NOW THERE'S A WAY IN, THERE'S A WAY THEY DON'T HAVE TO LOOK OVER THEIR SHOULDER.
THERE'S A WAY THEY CAN BECOME EDUCATED AND TRAINED AND, UM, BE JUST A REALLY POSITIVE CONTRIBUTING MEMBER OF WHATEVER CITY AND INCORPORATED AREA THEY'RE IN.
SO, UM, WE PLAN ON AND THERE ARE ALSO PEOPLE AND ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE THINKING ARE GOING TO HELP IN THE TRAINING.
AND SO WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO HELP FACILITATE THAT AND, AND JUST BE A LIAISON TO THAT.
AND, UM, AND IF THERE'S OTHERS THAT ARE THINKING ABOUT CONTRIBUTING TO, UM, TO THE FEES, UM, FOR, YOU KNOW, FOR PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO ACCESS THAT OTHER COUNTIES HAVE DONE THAT TOO.
SO WE'RE OUR, OUR JOB IS WE, AS WE SEE IT, IS IT NOT GOING TO STOP JUST IF IT PASSES? UM, SO WE'RE COMMITTED TO DOING THIS THE RIGHT WAY AND, UM, AND WALKING WITH THESE PEOPLE THROUGH IT.
SO IT MIGHT BE, YOU KNOW, SHOULD THIS PASS AND MIGHT BE WISE TO KEEP THE COALITION AND FORM SOME KIND OF AN ORGANIZATION TO ENSURE THAT PEOPLE ARE BEING GOOD NEIGHBORS, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY OUR CONCERNS ARE, YOU KNOW, IF SOMEONE'S BEING A BAD NEIGHBOR, THERE'S REALLY NO OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO SAY, HEY, YOU'RE RUINING IT FOR EVERYBODY ELSE.
BUT IF THERE'S A COALITION OF PEOPLE THAT ARE SAYING, HEY, YOU'RE GIVING US A BAD NAME.
UM, YOU KNOW, THAT SHOULD, SHOULD IT PASS.
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SO THANK YOU.GO AHEAD AND SHOW ONE OTHER THING.
WHAT ABOUT, UM, SOMEONE WHO HAS A SEVERE, MY MOTHER HAD A SEVERE ALLERGIC, UM, REACTION TO SEAFOOD.
SHE COULDN'T EVEN GO INTO A RESTAURANT.
I DIDN'T GROW UP EATING SHRIMP OR ANYTHING SEAFOOD BECAUSE SHE JUST LITERALLY WOULD GO AND CHANNEL FOR LACTIC SHOCK.
SO WHAT TYPE OF REGULATIONS? I MEAN, HOW DO YOU REGULATE SOMETHING LIKE THAT? IF SHE WOULD, SHE'S NO LONGER ALIVE, BUT IF SHE WERE ALIVE AND SHE'S LIVING IN AN APARTMENT AND THE PERSON NEXT DOOR COOKS A CRAB BOIL, OR, YOU KNOW, SOME SORT OF SEAFOOD, HOW DOES, IS THERE ANY OBLIGATION FROM THE COUNTY OR FROM ANYONE TO, TO, TO MITIGATE THOSE MITIGATE? THAT INSTANCE LAW REQUIRES THAT THEY TAKE AN EIGHT HOUR FOOD SAFETY MANAGER CERTIFICATE COURSE.
AND AS PART OF THAT COURSE, ALLERGEN TRAINING IS A PART OF THAT.
SO IF YOU'RE COOKING IN YOUR HOUSE AND YOU'RE COOKING A CRAB BOIL, AND YOU'VE GOT THESE THINGS THROUGH THERE, THEY'VE ALREADY PROVEN THAT CIGARETTE SMOKE GOES THROUGH.
WALLS GOES THROUGH, UH, HVAC SYSTEMS. SO THE ALLERGENS FROM THE SEAFOOD ARE GOING TO DO THE SAME THING.
HOW DO YOU MITIGATE THAT? SO THE TRAINING WE'LL TEACH THEM THAT, BUT THE REQUIREMENTS ON THE MIGOS ARE THE SAME FOR A REGULAR BRICK AND MORTAR RESTAURANT.
AS, AS IT PERTAINS TO ALLERGENS, SHE DIDN'T GO TO A RESTAURANT.
IF THIS PERSON IS COOKING IT NEXT DOOR TO HER, SHE DOESN'T HAVE THE OPTION OF NOT GOING INTO HER HOME.
SO HOW, HOW DOES THAT HELP? I, WELL, I MEAN, YOU'RE SAYING, I MEAN, IF YOU DON'T GO TO THE WEST, RIGHT.
BUT IF, IF AN APARTMENT NEXT DOOR, IF THEY'RE LIVING NEXT DOOR TO SOMEBODY THAT THAT PERSON COULD BE COOKING SEAFOOD THAN ANYWAY, REGARDLESS OF THEIR MICO.
OH, I HAD A QUICK, I DON'T WANT YOU TO THINK THAT WE'RE PICKING ON YOU, BUT YOU'RE A WEALTH OF KNOWLEDGE.
THAT'S WHY YOU'RE GETTING ASKED ALL THESE QUESTIONS.
UM, I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW MUCH OF IMPACT, HOW MANY PEOPLE WOULD OPEN, WOULD OPEN THESE, UH, MICO RESTAURANTS.
AND SO, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW THE POPULATION OF, UH, RIVERSIDE COUNTY, BUT MR. KENDRICK, I RAN SOME NUMBERS.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE RATIO PER, PER 10,000 INDIVIDUALS USING RIVERSIDE'S MODEL, BY THE WAY, RIVERSIDE COUNTY IS MUCH LESS URBAN THAN SAN DIEGO COUNTY.
SO LET'S ASSUME YOU USE THAT, THAT LOWER NUMBER.
ALCOHOL WOULD HAVE A MINIMUM OF 6.7 BASED ON THAT 0.7 FOR ALL OF OKLAHOMA CITY.
BUT I ALSO WORRY THAT THIS, THIS TWO YEAR WINDOW THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT THERE THAT RIVERSIDE COUNTY IS LOOKING AT IS A REALLY ODD YEAR.
YOU CAN MAKE THE ARGUMENT THAT MIGOS ARE MORE POPULAR BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE AT HOME, STUCK AT HOME, RIGHT? YOU COULD ALSO MAKE THE ARGUMENT THAT THE DEMAND FOR THESE TYPES OF SERVICES ARE LESS TOO.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS A GOOD TWO YEAR TO LOOK AT OR A GREAT TWO YEAR WINDOW TO LOOK AT IT.
I THINK IT'S, I THINK EVEN IT WAS DOUBLED BE 12 OR 13, THAT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE A HUGE IMPACT ON OUR CITY.
AND, UH, I LIKE THE IDEA OF THESE ENTREPRENEURS STARTING A SMALL BUSINESS IN THEIR HOUSE, AND THEN LEARNING ABOUT ALL THE MARKETING AND EVERYTHING ELSE AND OPENING OUR OWN RESTAURANTS.
AND WE HAVE A LOT OF IMMIGRANTS THAT DON'T MAKE A WHOLE LOT MONEY HERE, BUT THEY CAN REALLY COOK WELL.
SO I, THERE IS A PERSON IN RIVERSIDE COUNTY, ONE OF THE HOME COOKS THE PERMITTED MIGOS WHO ACTUALLY DID JUST WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
HE WAS VERY SUCCESSFUL AT WHAT HE WAS DOING.
AND WHEN HE WENT TO THE LENDERS, UM, HE NOT ONLY HAD A THEORETICAL BUSINESS PLAN, HE HAD, HERE'S WHAT I'VE BEEN DOING.
AND THE LENDERS WERE TALKING TO HIM AND HE'S IN NEGOTIATION TO GET HIS BRICK AND MORTAR BUSINESS.
SO THAT'S A SUCCESS STORY THAT WE CAN ALL APPLY.
SO EVEN IF WE HAD THREE TIMES THAT NUMBER 18 OF THEM IN THE CITY, I DON'T THINK THAT'S GOING TO HAVE A BIG IMPACT IN OUR SEWER SYSTEM.
I DON'T LIKE THE IDEA OF THE ALCOHOL.
UM, I LIKED THE IDEA OF GIVING THESE PEOPLE.
THESE AREN'T MARINERS A CHANCE TO MAKE SOME MONEY AND PULL THEMSELVES UP BY THE BOOTSTRAP.
I'M JUST A BIG FREE MARKET GUY.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE WAY I LOOK AT IT.
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I THINK THE BENEFITS FAR OUTWEIGH THE PROBLEMS, GIVE THEM THAT THE, THERE WOULDN'T BE MORE THAN A DOZEN, I THINK IN THE CITY OF OKLAHOMA, UH, TO BOTH OF YOU.I THINK WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS WE'RE REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT NOT HAVING CONTROL OVER A LOT OF THINGS.
I THINK YOU'VE GIVEN US SOME COMFORT THAT THE EXPOSURE THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN POSSIBILITY AND PROBABILITY.
WE HAVE TO DISCUSS ALL THE POSSIBILITIES.
OUR JOB IS WHAT'S THE WORST CASE SCENARIO.
WHAT ARE WE SENDING OUR POLICE OFFICERS INTO? WHAT ARE WE SENDING OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT INTO? SO WE HAVE TO LOOK AT ALL POSSIBILITIES.
YOU'RE HELPING US REALIZE THE PROBABILITIES.
UH, LIKE GARY SAID, YOU KNOW, THE WHOLE INCUBATOR CONCEPT IS BRILLIANT.
WE TALK ABOUT IN THE TECHNOLOGY AND IN THE, THE WE WORK ENVIRONMENT, THIS IS JUST IN A FOOD SETTING AND WE'RE JUST A LITTLE MORE CONCERNED AND NOT HAVING CONTROL, BUT YOU HAVE GIVEN US VALUABLE EXPERIENCE.
HAPPY TO DO SO, YOU KNOW, I HAVE A QUESTION, PROBABLY A MOOT POINT AND IT'S MOSTLY RHETORICAL.
SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO GET INVOLVED IF YOU DON'T WANT TO.
BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, OUR JOB IS, UH, ELECTED OFFICIALS PROTECT PEOPLE.
AND THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT THEIR ENTIRE LIFE SAVINGS IS WRAPPED UP IN THEIR HOME.
EVERYTHING THEY HAVE IS IN THEIR HOME.
SO LET'S SAY WE GOT AN 80 YEAR OLD COUPLE, AND PRETTY SOON THEY'RE GOING TO SELL THEIR HOUSE BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO MOVE INTO AN ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY.
AND THEY'RE GOING TO LIVE OFF THE MONEY OF THAT HOUSE FOR, FOR THE LAST 10, 15 YEARS OF THEIR LIFE.
BUT THEY'RE CALLED OSAC HAS THREE NIKOS.
THEY'RE THE ONLY HOUSE THAT DOESN'T HAVE A MICO.
AND THEY GO TO SELL THAT HOUSE.
AND THEY SAY, OH, BY THE WAY, TO THE REAL ESTATE AGENT, YOU GOT TO KNOW THAT WE'VE GOT THREE KITCHENS THAT ARE SERVING THE BASICALLY RESTAURANTS IN THIS CUL-DE-SAC.
THEY HAVE TO TELL THE NEXT BUYERS THAT, AND THE NEXT I WOULD NOT BUY A HOUSE IN A CALL SACK WITH THREE RESTAURANTS.
I JUST WOULDN'T, IT'S GOING TO AFFECT PROPERTY VALUES.
AND, YOU KNOW, I KNOW YOUR ARGUMENT THAT IT'S, IT'S GOING TO HELP SOME PEOPLE, BUT IT'S ALSO GOING TO HURT SOME PEOPLE.
EVERYTHING HAS UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES, EVERYTHING HAS SOME WINNERS AND SOME LOSERS.
AND I DON'T, I DON'T LIKE THE IDEA OF PICKING WINNERS AND LOSERS IN THIS, ESPECIALLY CONSIDERING HOW MANY OTHER PROBLEMS ARE ON THIS.
AND SO IF YOU WANT TO SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THAT, THAT'S FINE.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO, I I'LL JUST, I'LL JUST SAY WE HAVEN'T SEEN THAT EFFECT YET.
AND IF YOU OPTED TO ADVOCATE FOR A TWO YEAR STUDY, THAT WOULD CERTAINLY BE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT COULD BE CONSIDERED AND LOOKED AT OVER THE TWO YEAR PERIOD OF TIME.
AND WHEN, AND THEN WHEN THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS REVISITED, IT OBVIOUSLY WOULD BE LOCAL.
IT WOULDN'T NOW BE RIVERSIDE'S DATA.
IT WOULD BE SAN DIEGO DATA THAT WOULD COUNTY OF SAN DIEGO DATA THAT WOULD BE COMING FORWARD AND ALL THE CITIES TO INDIVIDUALLY, HOWEVER, THEY WANTED TO WORK TOGETHER TO TRACK THAT INFORMATION.
WE HAVE TO MOVE ON BECAUSE WE'VE GOT MORE.
I JUST GOT ONE MORE QUESTION FROM OUR REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE COUNTY, COME ON UP.
IS IT POSSIBLE THAT THE, UH, COUNTY CAN MAKE AS PART OF A ORDINANCE THAT, UH, THE, UH, MIGOS HAD TO BE A CERTAIN NUMBER OF FEET APART? NO.
BUT I THINK THE POSSIBILITY OF TWO OR MORE BEING CLOSE TOGETHER IS PRETTY LOW.
SINCE WE'VE GOT A HUNDRED THOUSAND PEOPLE LIVING HERE AND ONE, EVEN ONE ON MY CUL-DE-SAC WOULD KILL PROPERTY VALUES.
THANKS, MR. MR. MERRILL, I'LL JUST POINT OUT.
WE TALKED ABOUT WE, WE, I GAVE YOU A NUMBER OF FORECASTING.
HOW MANY POTENTIALLY COULD BE HERE? I THINK IT'S VALUABLE TO LOOK AT A MORE URBAN CITY LIKE CORONA.
FOR EXAMPLE, KRONE IS A LITTLE BIT BIGGER THAN ITS VINCE.
HOW MANY PEOPLE LIVE IN KRONOS? 160, 6,000.
SO A LITTLE BIT LARGER THAN US.
BUT THAT'S ALSO UNDERSTANDING THE PROGRAM IS BRAND NEW AND PEOPLE DON'T KNOW ABOUT IT THERE.
ALL RIGHT, WHO'S NEXT? WE HAVE FOUR MORE SPEAKER, SIR.
THE NEXT PERSON IS BEVERLY WRINKLED.
I GRADUATED FROM GROSSMONT CULINARY PROGRAM.
LAST YEAR WAS THE GRADUATION WAS, WAS VERY DISAPPOINTING, BUT I DID IT ANYWAY.
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UM, I LIKE TO ADDRESS MR. MAYOR FIRST.I WOULD NOT WANT TO EAT IN A RESTAURANT THAT HAD A DOG IN THE KITCHEN OR ANYWHERE IN THE VICINITY.
I'VE TAKEN EVERY CLASS AND MY CULINARY AND SANITATION IS VERY IMPORTANT.
AND I HAD A BELOVED DOG THAT I GOT RID OF BECAUSE I'M PREPARING MY KITCHEN TO BE THE UTMOST SAD SANITATION.
I DON'T WANT THE ANIMAL THERE.
I DON'T WANT HER TO FEEL THAT SHE'S NOT WANTED.
I DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO COOK AND WORRY ABOUT A DOG COMING IN THE KITCHEN.
UM, THERE'S A LOT OF US THAT I CAN'T PRONOUNCE YOUR NAME.
I LIKE TO ALSO ADDRESS YOUR QUESTION THAT YOU HAD WHEN YOU STATED THERE ARE SO MANY RESTAURANTS.
SO WHY HAVE A MIKKO? THAT'S TRUE.
YOU CAN GO ANYWHERE AND EAT ANY TYPE OF FOOD YOU WANT.
THERE'S A LOT OF US, THAT'S NOT WORKING DUE TO COVID AND DUE TO A LOT OF OTHER REASONS, I WANT TO WORK PART TIME, BUT I WANTED TO DO IT FROM MY HOME AND HAVING YOUR HOME-BASED RESTAURANT IT'S CONVENIENT AND FEASIBLE FOR PEOPLE LIKE ME.
AND THERE'S A LOT OF US BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A JOB.
SO WE DON'T HAVE THIS STARTUP MONEY TO GO AND START A RESTAURANT.
AND NO BANK IS GOING TO LOOK AT ME AND GIVE ME A DIME TO START UP A RESTAURANT BECAUSE I'M NOT EMPLOYED.
SO IT'S MORE FEASIBLE FOR ME AND OTHER PEOPLE TO HAVE A HOME-BASED BUSINESS WHERE LIKE KAREN SAID, WE CAN WORK AND SET OUR OWN HOURS.
I WOULD NOT DO THIS FULL TIME.
UM, MY CULINARY CLASSES WERE FIVE HOURS EACH, WHICH WAS VERY TYSON, BUT YOU DO IT BECAUSE I HAVE THE PASSION AND I STARTED AND I NEEDED TO FINISH IT.
AND THERE'S GRADUATES THAT GRADUATED IN CULINARY BEFORE ME, WITH ME AND AFTER ME.
AND IT'S A LOT OF US AND A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE PASSION FOR COOKING AND THEY WANT TO SIT THERE ON HOURS.
I DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THAT.
AND AS FAR AS THE DIFFERENT SMELLS, I GREW UP IN NEW YORK AND I COULDN'T WAIT FOR DINNER TIME BECAUSE IT WAS CULTURES EVERYWHERE AND EVERYONE WAS COOKING AND WE ALL ATE AT EACH OTHER'S HOUSE.
UM, A LOT OF US, LIKE I SAID, ARE NOT, I CHOOSE NOT TO WORK FULL TIME.
I WORKED AT VA HAAS AND IT WAS FULL TIME AND I WAS GOING TO SCHOOL AND IT'S NOT ANYTHING THAT I WANT TO CONTINUE TO DO.
SO IF THIS IS PASSED, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF I COULD WORK WITH SOME OF YOU TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE PROBLEMS THAT YOU BROUGHT UP, BECAUSE SANITATION IS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT FOR POISONING CAN HAPPEN, WHETHER YOU'RE COOKING AT HOME OR IN A RESTAURANT, BY IN BATTEN MEAT FROM THE SUPERMARKET CAN GIVE YOU FOOD POETS, WHICH I'VE HAD BEFORE.
AND YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN UNTIL YOU GET THE FOOD HOME AND YOU COOK IT.
SO, ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME JUST TO, JUST TO COMMENT, UH, ABOUT 20 YEARS AGO, I WAS ON THE GROSSMONT QUIEL MACK, MACA COLLEGE COMMITTEE, UH, GOVERNING BOARD.
AND SO I KNOW ALL ABOUT YOUR PROGRAM AND HAVE EATEN THERE MANY TIMES.
SO IF THIS, IF THIS GOES THROUGH, I'LL BE AT YOUR HOUSE.
CONGRATULATIONS ON GRADUATING.
HI, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING ME.
UM, MY NAME IS ROY MCGARRY AND I'M HERE WITH, UH, MY COLLEAGUE, KAREN, MELVIN AS ALSO A CO-LEADER OF THE SAN DIEGO MICO COALITION.
UM, WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH DOZENS OF LOCAL COMMUNITY BASED ORGANIZATIONS TO STRENGTHEN THE FOOD SYSTEM, LEGALIZE THE HOMEMADE FOOD ECONOMY AND DIVERSIFY HEALTHY FOOD OPTIONS.
IN MY PROFESSIONAL CAPACITY, I'M A FOOD POLICY ATTORNEY AND I SERVE AS THE POLICY DIRECTOR AT FOOD GNOME, WHICH IS THE FIRST LEGAL MARKETPLACE FOR HOME COOKED FOOD IN THE U S A FOOD NOAM IS A START-UP AND REGISTERED FOOD SERVICE INTERMEDIARY ON A MISSION TO PROMOTE FOOD ENTREPRENEURSHIP BY NA NATIONALLY, BY EMPOWERING HOME COOKS TO LEGALLY AND SAFELY SELL FOOD FROM THEIR HOME KITCHENS.
OUR ORGANIZATION HAS ACTIVELY SUPPORTED OVER 150 HOME COOKS, UH, ACROSS
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THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA.THE MAJORITY OF WHOM ARE WOMEN AND PEOPLE OF COLOR THROUGH OBTAINING THEIR MICO PERMITS.
AND WE'VE SEEN THE INCREDIBLE POSITIVE IMPACTS OF THE MICO PROGRAM FIRSTHAND.
UM, SO AS KAREN MENTIONED, MENTIONED IN OVER TWO YEARS OF OPERATION WITH MORE THAN A HUNDRED THOUSAND MEALS SOLD, THERE HAVE BEEN ZERO FOODBORNE ILLNESS CASES FROM PERMITTED MIGOS TO DATE, UM, NOR ANY FOOD SAFETY COMPLAINTS.
UM, AND TO ANSWER THE ANSWER ABOUT ALCOHOL, WE'VE ONLY HEARD OF ONE PERSON THAT'S APPROACHED, UH, THE, TO EVEN GET A PERMIT FOR THAT.
UM, BUT, UH, JUST IN TERMS OF HOW THE DEMOGRAPHICS BREAK DOWN, UH, WE FOUND THAT ONLY 4% OF THE PEOPLE ARE EVEN ACTUALLY OPENING THEIR HOME FOR IN-HOME DINING.
THE MAJORITY OF IT IS ACTUALLY DONE THROUGH, UH, DELIVERY AND PICKUP.
UM, MOST OF THAT ACTUALLY IS PICKUP.
UM, AND IT'S SPACED OUT IN WAY THAT THERE HAVEN'T BEEN MAJOR TRAFFIC CONCERNS ABOUT PEOPLE PICKING UP THE FOOD, UH, AND MOVING FORWARD, BUT REALLY THROUGH OUR ADVOCACY WORK, WE'VE SPOKEN WITH SO MANY UNLICENSED HOME COOKS, UH, PARTICIPATING IN THE INFORMAL FOOD ECONOMY HERE IN SAN DIEGO COUNTY.
UM, THEY'RE OPERATING UNDERGROUND AND IN THE SHADOWS TO SUPPORT THEIR FAMILIES.
AND AREN'T ABLE TO BE HERE IN FRONT OF YOU TODAY PUBLICLY BECAUSE THEY'RE SCARED.
UM, THERE ARE ESTIMATES THAT TENS OF THOUSANDS OF CALIFORNIANS ALREADY SELL FOOD FROM HOME INFORMALLY THROUGH SOCIAL MEDIA SITES, UM, BECAUSE OF THE HIGH BARRIERS OF ENTRY TO THE COMMERCIAL FOOD INDUSTRY.
UH, SO LEGALIZING NIKOS WILL PROVIDE THESE COOKS WITH THE ABILITY TO OPENLY ACCESS BUSINESS EDUCATION AND TRAINING ON SAFE FOOD HANDLING PRACTICES AND IMPROVE PUBLIC HEALTH SAFEGUARDS.
SO ESSENTIALLY YOU WOULD BE LOOKING AT MORE CONTROL BECAUSE THEY WOULD ACTUALLY BE THE AVENUE TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THESE MIGOS ARE LOCATED.
WHO'S ALREADY DOING THIS SELLING AND BE ABLE TO ACTUALLY SEND OUT PEOPLE IF THERE ARE ANY COMPLAINTS ABOUT THIS.
UM, AND THE ANNUAL RENT FOR A COMMERCIAL KITCHEN FOR EXAMPLE IS STILL $45,000 PER YEAR, WHICH IS A LOT MORE THAN A LOT OF OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS HERE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PAY AT THIS POINT.
UM, SO WE'VE JUST SEEN THE INCREDIBLE IMPACT THAT THIS HAS HAD AND THE ABILITY FOR NEIGHBORS TO ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO LOOK UP, IS THIS A REGISTERED MICO? YOU KNOW, CAN I ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, GO TO THIS AND MAKE THE CHOICE TO, TO DINE AT THIS RESTAURANT? AND WE'VE HAD, YOU KNOW, STORIES OF PEOPLE TO ANSWER YOUR SEAFOOD QUESTION, THAT, UM, FOR EXAMPLE, WE HAVE A CUSTOMER IN RIVERSIDE COUNTY WHO IS, UH, SUFFERING FROM CANCER AND IS GOING THROUGH CHEMO TREATMENTS.
AND HE'S ACTUALLY ABLE TO COMMUNICATE DIRECTLY WITH THE HOME COOK TO MAKE SURE THAT HIS FOOD IS NOT PREPARED WITH SALT AND CERTAIN OTHER ITEMS. AND IS NOW GIVEN THAT OPTION TO FIND HEALTHY FOOD, YOU KNOW, IN HIS COMMUNITY, IN HIS NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HE DOESN'T HAVE WITH RESTAURANTS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
SO IT'S PROVIDING OPPORTUNITIES FOR PEOPLE.
UM, AND, AND AGAIN, IT, IT IS ALREADY HAPPENING HERE.
UM, SO THIS IS GIVING US THE OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE THOSE PEOPLE, THE EDUCATION AND TOOLS TO DO THIS LEGALLY AND SAFELY AND BETTER PROTECT SAN DIEGANS HERE.
ANY QUESTIONS? SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I'M A BUSINESS ADVISOR WITH THE INTERNATIONAL RESCUE COMMITTEE, THE IRC, AND I'M ALSO, UM, A REFUGEE, UH, WHO CAME TO US IN 2013.
I'M A RESIDENT OF OKLAHOMA AND I'M A BUSINESS ENTREPRENEUR AS WELL.
SO I'M WEARING A FEW HATS HERE AS I SPEAK TODAY TO YOU.
UM, I WILL TRY TO SPEAK MORE ON THE PROBABILITIES.
UH, I HEAR A LOT OF CONCERNS AND POSSIBILITIES, WHICH I UNDERSTAND, UM, ACTUALLY FROM MY WORK AS A BUSINESS ADVISOR, UH, TOO MANY BUSINESS ENTREPRENEURS THAT, UH, MOST OF THEM ARE WOMEN, UH, REFUGEES AND IMMIGRANTS, UH, WHO CAME TO YOU AS, AND TRYING TO FIND JOB OPPORTUNITIES.
I NOTICED THAT A HOME MADE FOOD AND CO-TEACH FOOD HAS PLAYED A CRUCIAL ROLE AND THEIR INCOME AND, UH, ALSO INTO THEIR ANALYTICAL, UH, DEPENDENCY, UM, WHICH HELPED THEM TO BE ALSO INDEPENDENT FROM THE GOVERNMENT ASSISTANT PROGRAMS, WHICH HAS ALSO PUT A BURDEN ON THAT SIDE TOO SPECIFICALLY DURING THE PANDEMIC.
SO, UM, I ALSO NOTICED THAT, UM, MOST OF THEM TRYING TO, UM, TO CONNECT WITH THE COMMUNITY.
SO IN THE DIVERSE COMMUNITIES THAT WE HAVE HERE IN US, UM, COOKING FOOD AT HOME, CULTURALLY, YOU KNOW, WITH DIFFERENT CULTURES ALSO, UM, MAKING GOOD BOUNDS BETWEEN THE COMMUNITIES, THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO ALL, ALL OF THIS PLAYED A ROLE IN, UH, IN THAT, UM, THEN WHAT I ALSO NOTICED THAT MANY OF THESE WOMEN
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HAD BARRIERS TO ENTER THE JOB MARKET.SO PROVIDING ALSO JOB OPPORTUNITIES TO MOST OF THEM, UM, THEY HAD STRUGGLES TO GET JOBS WHEN THEY ARRIVED.
YOU AS YOU TOO MANY REASONS, AS MANY OF, YOU KNOW, AS THE LANGUAGE BARRIER, THE EXPERIENCE BARRIER, YOU NEED TO HAVE EXPERIENCE TO WORK, TO GET A JOB HERE IN US.
SO MANY OF THEM HAD THESE STRUGGLES AND COOKING FOOD AT HOME, PROVIDE THEM WITH THIS OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE FOR THEIR FAMILY.
AND MANY OF THEM ARE SINGLE MOMS OR FLEE THE WAR BECAUSE THEIR HUSBANDS WERE AFFECTED IN THE WAR, SONS IN THE WAR.
SO MANY OF THEM HAD TO FIND A JOB HERE, AND INSTEAD, AGAIN, OVER RELIANT ON THE GOVERNMENT ASSISTANCE, THEY ARE TRYING TO FEED THEIR FAMILY AND INCREASE THEIR, UH, THEIR INCOME AND ALSO TO FIND A JOB OPPORTUNITY.
AND IN, IN EMPOWER THIS, WOMAN'S SORRY, THIS WOMAN, UM, YES.
AND THEN, UH, MANY OF THESE WOMEN ALSO TRYING TO TAKE CARE OF THESE CHILDREN AND MANY OF THE WOMEN I KNOW FROM MIDDLE EASTERN, UH, CULTURE, UM, STRUGGLE TO LEAVE THEIR CHILDREN AND THEN ALSO LEAVE THEIR ELDERLY.
THEY USUALLY IN OUR CULTURE AND MIDDLE EASTERN CULTURE, IT'S IMPORTANT TO TAKE CARE OF YOUR ELDERLY, YOUR IN-LAWS, YOUR MOM, YOUR, YOUR DAD.
SO IT'S VERY HARD FOR THEM TO GO AND FIND A JOB AND IT'S, IT WILL BE, THEY WILL BE SHAMEFUL, SHAMED BY THE COMMUNITY IF THEY LEAVE.
SO IT'S BETTER FOR THEM TO STAY HOME AND THEN SERVE THE COMMUNITY.
AND THROUGH THE IRC, WE PROVIDE ALSO, UH, MANY, UH, TRAININGS ON RULES AND REGULATIONS SPECIFICALLY ON HOW TO MANAGE THE FOOD BUSINESS AND THE COTTAGE FOOD.
AND WE ARE HAPPY TO PROVIDE THAT.
LISTEN, WE'RE OUT OF TIME, BUT, UH, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU WANTED TO SAY BEFORE? NO, THAT'S IT.
AND WE ARE HERE, WE HERE TO HELP AND TO ENSURE THAT WE ARE HERE ALSO TO SUPPORT THE COMMUNITIES THAT ARE EDUCATING THEM AND HOW TO BE LICENSED.
LAST SPEAKER, TONY, SHEILA, GOOD AFTERNOON.
UM, TO ADDRESS THE COUNCILMAN'S GOEBBELS, UH, SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU ASKED REGARDING INSURANCE, UH, BEING A RETIRED INSURANCE BROKER, I CAN ADDRESS THOSE QUESTIONS, THE LIABILITY COVERAGE, A HOMEOWNER POLICY EXCLUDES A BUSINESS IN THE HOME.
UH, THERE IS AN INCIDENTAL COVERAGE THAT YOU BUY FOR A SET MUSIC STUDIOS OR ART STUDIO OR DANCE STUDIO, BUT THAT'S IT.
IF YOU HAVE TO PURCHASE LIQUOR LIABILITY INSURANCE, PLUS COMMERCIAL INSURANCE, TO COVER IT A HOMEOWNERS, I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE VERY DIFFICULT BECAUSE THEY HAVE CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS, FIRE, SUPPRESSION SYSTEMS, ALL THESE THINGS THAT GO INTO A COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS.
SO UNLESS THE INSURANCE INDUSTRY CHANGES.
SO IF YOU, IF THE INCOME IS UP AND UP $50,000, PLUS THE INSURANCE THAT YOU WANT TO PAY FOR, IT'S NOT ECONOMICALLY FEASIBLE AT ALL, UNLESS IT'S DONE UNDER THE TABLE, THEN IT WOULD MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE.
I THINK MOST PEOPLE ARE DOING WHAT THEY'RE DOING WITHOUT CONTACTING THEIR INSURANCE AGENT OR THEIR INSURANCE COMPANY, ADVISING THEM THAT THAT'S WHAT, THEY'RE WHAT THEY'RE DOING IN PRINCIPLE.
I DON'T AGREE WHAT'S GOING ON BECAUSE, UH, YOU KNOW, IT IS CIVIL SERVICE DUTY TO PROTECT A PERSON'S FREEDOM OF LIFE, LIBERTY, AND THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS, UH, AND PEOPLE CAN PROTECT THEMSELVES PRETTY WELL.
WHAT I'M DISAGREEING IN PRINCIPLE IS THAT THE PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY ARE NOT DECIDING WHAT THEY WANT TO DO IN THEIR OWN COMMUNITY THEMSELVES.
SOMEBODY ELSE OUTSIDE OF THE COMMUNITY IS TELLING THEM WHAT TO DO.
FOR EXAMPLE, THE STATE, THE STATE HAS TAKEN AWAY.
MANY OF THE LIBERTIES THAT PEOPLE HAVE IN EACH COMMUNITY AND THE STATE, IT'S ANOTHER CHIP ON THE BLOCK WHERE THEY'RE TAKING THE LIBERTIES OF THE CITIES TO DO AS THEY WISH AS THE COMMUNITY WISHES TO DO.
AND THE RESIDENTS THERE THEREOF.
SO THEREFORE I DISAGREE WITH ALL THIS THAT'S GOING ON.
I KNOW THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE, WHO ARE HUNGRY AND SUFFERING AND SO FORTH THAT CAN BE ADDRESSED IN A LOCAL, UH, FORUM, NOT BY THE STATE BECAUSE WHEN THE STATE PUTS HER HANDS INTO THINGS, IT BECOMES SOCIALISM EXTRAORDINARY.
AND THIS IS WHAT WE ARE BECOMING.
WE CAN BECOMING A NATION, A SOCIALIST NATIONS.
THAT'S TELLING EVERYBODY WHAT TO DO.
SO THEREFORE I DISAGREE WITH THAT ENTIRELY.
YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? YEAH.
SO WHAT HAPPENS? SO, UM, THERE'S A GREASE FIRE.
THE HO THE HOUSE BURNS DOWN THE NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE BURNS DOWN, UH, IS COVERED BY AN INSURANCE POLICY.
HOWEVER, EVEN IF YOU HAVE A, IF OPERATING A RESTAURANT, NO MATTER WHAT CAUSES A FIRE IS COVERED, HOWEVER, YOUR POLICY WILL BE CANCELED BECAUSE YOU'RE CONDUCTING BUSINESS.
AND TWO PEOPLE PUNCH EACH OTHER HAPPENS AT RESTAURANTS ALL THE TIME.
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UM, WHAT, UH, I GO TO SPECIAL RESTAURANTS.YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO ASK THAT QUESTION.
UM, HYPOTHETICALLY, WHAT HAPPENS THEN? IT DEPENDS THE TYPE OF LIABILITY THAT YOU HAVE.
YOU HAVE THE SLIP AND FALL LIABILITY, NO COVERAGE, UNLESS YOU HAVE PERSONAL INJURY LIABILITY WHERE SOMEBODY ACCUSES YOU OF SOMETHING AND A, A FIGHT BREAKS OUT.
BUT THEN AGAIN, IF IT'S A, A COMMERCIAL SITUATION IT'S NOT COVERED BY THE INSURANCE COMPANY.
SO MAYBE THE BETTER QUESTION IS, ARE THERE THINGS THAT STICK OUT IN YOUR MIND THAT WOULD BE INVALIDATED BECAUSE THEY WERE OPERATING A COMMERCIAL KITCHEN RIGHT OUT OF THEIR HOME? WHAT, WHAT KINDS OF THINGS WOULD BE INVALIDATED, UH, EXCEPT FIRE EVERYTHING ELSE.
EVERYTHING ELSE WOULD BE EXCLUDED.
UH, MAYBE, UH, PLANNING DAMAGE ALSO MIGHT BE A SCREW THAT TOO, BECAUSE IT WAS IN CONJUNCTION WITH USING IT AS HER COMMERCIAL BASIS RATHER THAN A REGULAR BASIS.
SO LET'S SAY THERE'S A PLANNING PROBLEMS BECAUSE OF THE GREASE.
THAT COULD BE A POSSIBILITY AS WELL.
SO I, I UNDERSTAND COUNCILMAN KENDRICK'S SENTIMENTS, YOU KNOW, UH, WE WANT TO BE HELPFUL TO THE COMMUNITY, BUT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE BIG PICTURE.
THERE'S A FEW PE PLACES ARE DOING THAT, BUT ONCE IT CATCHES CATCHES ON THAT MIGHT NOT BE THE SITUATION.
IT MIGHT BE, UH, LIKE OPENING A PANDORA'S BOX AND A CAN OF WORMS COMING EVERYWHERE.
UH, I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
ARE WE GOING TO SUBMIT TO A JOURNEY? ARE WE GOING TO WITHSTAND IT AND FIGHT IT? I KNOW WE CAN'T TELL THE STATE WHAT TO DO, BUT THIS IS A BEGINNING STAGE.
YOU KNOW, YOU RAISE A GOOD QUESTION BECAUSE IT'S AN INTERESTING DEBATE.
THE STATE IS SAYING WE'RE CREATING THIS OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE, BUT WE'RE GOING TO MANDATE CONTROL.
AND SO IS IT OVERREACH ON THE CITY TO SAY NO? OR IS IT OVERREACH ON THE GOVERNMENT TO SAY, YOU MUST, IT'S AN INTERESTING DEBATE AND OVERREACH OF THE GOVERNMENT SAY, YOU MUST, IT'S NOT AN OVER REACH FOR THIS FACILITY CITY TO SAY NO, BECAUSE YOU'RE REPRESENTING THE COMMUNITY AND THE FREEDOM OF THE COMMUNITY AND THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THAT COMMUNITY.
I UNDERSTAND THERE'S PROBABLY BOTH SIDES TO DEBATE IS WHAT I'M SAYING THERE.
I ALWAYS LOVE TO KNOW THE REST OF THE STORY, YOU KNOW, FOR THINGS LIKE YES, BUT YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER ALSO WHEN YOU'RE IMPLEMENTING A LAW OR A PRINCIPLE OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE, WHAT IS THE PURPOSE BEHIND IT? WHAT'S MOTIVATING IT.
CAUSE WE GOT TO MOVE ON, BUT I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THERE WAS A, IT'S AN INTERESTING DEBATE.
WE STILL HAVE A LOT OF MEETING WITH ALL RIGHT.
IS THAT NO MORE COMMENTS, SIR.
WELL, SO IT, IT COMES BACK TO, UM, COUNSEL.
I MEAN, I THINK WE'VE DISCUSSED THIS TO DEATH.
IF SOMEBODY HAS TO DO THEY WANT TO SAY, THAT'S GREAT.
IF NOT, I'M READY TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
I THINK WE'VE GRILLED PEOPLE ENOUGH ON THIS SUBJECT.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT THE CITY COUNCIL REVIEWS THE INFORMATION, UH, AND WE'LL DIRECT STAFF TO SEND A LETTER RECOMMENDING THAT THE COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS OPT OUT OF THE PROGRAM, UNLESS WE HAVE SOME OF THESE CONCERNS ADDRESSED.
IT'S BEEN MY IT'S BEEN MY EXPERIENCE THAT THE FREE MARKET ALWAYS WINS PEOPLE.
IF THERE'S A DEMAND THAT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO WANT IT, THERE'S CLEARLY A DEMAND FOR, UH, THESE, UH, IN, IN HOME KITCHENS.
UH, I SEE A LOT OF THEM ALL OVER.
IT'S KIND OF IN THIS, IN THE SHADOWS RIGHT NOW.
IF WE MAKE THEM LEGAL AND THEY GET THE TRAINING THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO GET, SO THEY'RE NOT GOING TO POISON ANYBODY.
I THINK THAT GIVEN THE INFORMATION FROM RIVERSIDE AND I THINK IT WAS CORONA THAT MAYBE WE'LL GET A DOZEN OR TWO THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
IF THAT, UM, ONE OF THE RE ONE OF THE REASONS THAT CUBA HAS BEEN ABLE TO STAY AFLOAT BECAUSE THEY'RE ALLOWING THESE IN-HOME KITCHENS AND RESTAURANTS, EVEN THOUGH THEY HAD THIS HORRIBLE GOVERNMENT AS COMMUNIST GOVERNMENT, THAT TIES EVERYBODY'S HANDS AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
UH, AND I, I JUST THINK THAT WE WOULD GIVE A LOT OF THESE IMMIGRANTS WHO DON'T MAKE A LOT OF MONEY, A CHANCE TO MAKE SOME MONEY AND PULL THEMSELVES UP BY THE BOOTSTRAPS THAT I THINK I'M GOING TO ACTUALLY RESCIND MY MOTION ON THE LETTER PART.
I WOULD JUST SAY WE'VE RECEIVED INFORMATION.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT COUNTY STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION
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THE FINAL ORDINANCE WAS B I WOULD SAY AT THAT POINT, WE WOULD TAKE A POSITION ON THAT.SO I'LL RESCIND MY MOTION, EVEN MAKING A NEW ONE.
NO, WELL, YEAH, WE HAVE TO FOLLOW THIS, BUT SOMEBODY CAN MAKE A SUB SUE MOTION IF THEY, IF THEY RESCINDED MY MOTION.
SO YOU'RE MAKING NO MOTION AT ALL.
WELL, WE NEED THE SECOND TO WITHDRAW THE SECOND.
SECOND, WHO SECONDED MR. GOEBBELS? I DON'T THINK ANYBODY THERE WAS NEVER A SECOND.
UM, SO THANK YOU TO THE MIGOS COALITION OF SAN DIEGO COUNTY.
IS THAT RIGHT? DID I GET THAT RIGHT? AND KAREN AND YOUR TEAM, I APPRECIATE THAT.
UM, I THINK AS ARE MY STATED AS WELL, YOU KNOW, THE REASON WE GRILLED YOU IS CAUSE THIS IS A NEW CONCEPT AND, AND THAT'S WHY WE WERE ELECTED AS TO, YOU KNOW, PUT YOU THROUGH THE FURNACE TO SEE, IS THIS GOING TO EXPLODE ON US OR NOT? AND YOU CAME WITH DATA AND INFORMATION.
I, I REALLY DO APPRECIATE THAT.
UM, MY CONCERNS IS ALL OF OURS ARE AS THE ALCOHOL SALES, UM, AND THE POTENTIAL DISRUPTION, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO PUT MY ONE AND A HALF YEAR OLD DAUGHTER TO BED WHILE THEY'RE SERVING UP BREWSKIES NEXT DOOR IS, YOU KNOW, NOT IDEAL.
UM, BUT THEN I BEGIN TO THINK, WELL, THESE PEOPLE ARE BRINGING ALCOHOL AND STRANGERS INTO THEIR HOME, AND THAT'S A BIG RISK FOR THEM AS WELL, WHERE, YOU KNOW, I, I JUST SIGNED, YOU KNOW, I'M PUTTING MY HEAD IN THE HOMEOWNER'S THINKING, YOU KNOW, I JUST WANT TO SELL PUNTS IT OR TAMALES OR SOMETHING.
AND I DON'T WANT PEOPLE STRANGERS COMING INTO MY HOME AND DRINKING.
SO THERE IS A RISK TO THE HOMEOWNER AS WELL, IF THEY HAVE KIDS THERE.
AND, UM, AND THEN THE DINING OPTION, I WOULD SUBMIT TO THE, TO OUR STAFF TO SUBMIT TO THE COUNTY THAT THAT IS ONE AREA OF LOCAL CONTROL THAT WE COULD INITIATE.
SO I WOULD BE AN ADVOCATE TO SAY, TO NOT HAVE DINING OPTIONS.
I UNDERSTAND WHY WE HAVE ZONING, UM, AS A CITY, BUT MY GRANDMOTHER, MY TITA, SHE, I, IN THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING, I SAID THAT SHE STARTED HER RESTAURANT IN CHICAGO BY BEING ABLE TO COOK AT HER HOME.
AND SHE WAS MAKING BURRITOS AND TAMALES.
AND THEN IT WAS A FAMILY TRADITION WHERE ON CHRISTMAS, ALL THE GRANDKIDS WOULD, UM, WOULD, SHE WOULD TEACH US HOW TO COOK TAMALES AND TO BE AN ALL DAY THING.
AND IT WAS SUPER FUN AND IT WAS A TRADITION.
AND THE IDEA THAT A PERSON CAN SAVE UP MONEY TO THEN IT CONTRIBUTE TO THE ECONOMY.
UM, THE 30 MEALS A DAY, 60 MEALS A WEEK, THAT'S A GOOD, IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT WAS CRAFTED, UM, TO WORK ON THE WEEKENDS SATURDAY AND SUNDAY, WE HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, X AMOUNT OF TAMALES.
WE'RE SELLING THEM UNTIL THEY RUN OUT THAT KIND OF A THING.
UM, AND I'VE BOUGHT THIS, I'VE BOUGHT THE UNDERGROUND FOOD ALL THROUGH THE PANDEMIC.
I, THEY, YOU SEE THEM POP UP ON FACEBOOK MARKETPLACE ON CRAIGSLIST.
AND I BOUGHT, UM, SALT AND PEPPER WINGS AND SHWARMA AND ALL THIS STUFF, BECAUSE A LOT OF RESTAURANTS WERE CLOSED.
UM, SO WE SEE THIS EMERGING MARKET COMING FORTH AND, YOU KNOW, I, I TEND TO WANT TO SIDE WITH THE FREE MARKET AND LET PEOPLE TO A DEGREE, YOU KNOW, DO WHAT THEY WANT IN THEIR HOMES.
UM, AND IF PEOPLE ARE GETTING SICK, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO GO THERE.
WE HAVE YELP AND GOOGLE REVIEWS AND WORD SPREADS AND THIS AND THAT.
AND I, SO MY, MY CONCERNS STILL STAND WITH ALCOHOL SALES AND THE DINE-IN OPTIONS.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, FROM, I'VE SEEN MY GRANDMOTHER AND MY FAMILY BENEFIT FROM IT, AND IT'S STILL AL HARDEEN CAFE.
I'LL HARDEEN RESTAURANT IN CHICAGO IN WRIGLEYVILLE, RIGHT? WHERE THE CUBS PLAY IT'S BEEN THERE, IT'S STAYING THERE.
IT'S EMPLOYED HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE OVER 40 YEARS OPENED UP IN THE LATE SIXTIES.
AND SO I, I HAVE A HARD TIME TELLING PEOPLE, LOOKING, I, THIS IS THE WAY I'M LOOKING AT IT.
I LOOK AT MY ATHLETE IN THE EYE AND SAY, NO, YOU CAN'T DO THIS.
I CAN'T, I CAN'T, I CAN'T SAY NO, YOU CAN'T DO THAT.
AND THE GOVERNMENT IS LIMITED TO WHAT THE INDIVIDUAL CAN DO TO, TO THEIR NEIGHBOR.
AND I JUST CAN'T LOOK AT THEM AND SAY, NOPE, TAMALES ON THE WEEKEND.
AND YOU GET A COUPLE EXTRA BUCKS, SO YOU CAN GET YOUR GRANDKIDS TOYS OR WHATEVER THEY CHOOSE TO DO WITH THE MONEY.
I JUST, I HAVE A HARD TIME IN MY CONSCIOUS SAYING NO TO THAT.
SO, UM, THAT'S ALL I'LL SAY ANYBODY ELSE.
I, AS A TRINET CRAFT IN A WAY TO JUST MAKE ALL OF US HAPPY, UH, THAT WE SEND A LETTER TO THE COUNTY AND WE'RE
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OKAY WITH EVERYTHING, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ALCOHOL, WE REALLY, REALLY DON'T WANT ALCOHOL SERVED.AND PHIL, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE THAT, WHAT WAS IT? I DON'T WANT TO DINE IN OPTION AND, AND HOPEFULLY NOT THE DINE-IN OPTION, BUT I THINK THE DINING OPTION WAS A SMALL PERCENTAGE, 4%.
IS THAT EVEN A BIG DEAL? 4% OF LET'S SAY THERE'S EVEN 20 OF THEM.
I MEAN, THAT'S GOING TO BE KNOW 4%.
THAT'S GOING TO BE LESS THAN TWO.
I THINK IT'S MOOT BECAUSE IT'S STATE LAW ALLOWS ALCOHOL AND STATE LAW ALLOWS DINE IN AND WE CRAFT THIS.
UH, CAN WE ASK THE COUNTY NOT TO ALLOW THE ALCOHOL? I, THAT'S NOT AN OPTION.
YOU CAN, YOU CAN ASK ANYTHING YOU WANT, BUT THERE, BUT WHAT PERCENTAGE ACTUALLY, I THINK JUST 1% OR ONE OUT OF 150 HEAD ALCOHOL, HOW DO WE KNOW THAT THAT'S THOSE STATISTICS, RIGHT? WE, OUR STAFF HASN'T GIVEN TO THE, BUT THE COUNTY DOESN'T HAVE JURISDICTION OVER PERMITS AND THE SALE OF ALCOHOL, JUST TO CLARIFY WHAT THE COUNTY WILL BE OR WHAT ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH WE'LL BE RETURNING TO THE BOARD WITH WILL BE THE PROGRAM OPTIONS.
AND SO, AS WE'RE LOOKING AT IT IN OUR EARLY ANALYSIS OF THIS, IT WAS JUST DIRECTED TO US OF SEPTEMBER 15TH, BUT THEY'LL BE ESSENTIALLY THREE OPTIONS.
ONE OPTION IS TO ADOPT OPT IN.
THE OTHER IS TO NOT, AND THIRD WOULD BE TO IMPLEMENT A PILOT PROGRAM TO EVALUATE THE PROGRAM OVER THE COURSE OF A PERIOD OF TIME.
SO ESSENTIALLY THAT'S WHAT WE'LL BE RETURNING BACK WITH AS FAR AS THE PROGRAMMATIC.
WELL, WE CAN ASK IT TO KIND OF HELP WITH YOUR CONCERNS.
MR. MAYOR IS, MAY WE OPT, YOU KNOW, HAVE A PILOT PROGRAM AND SEE HOW THAT GOES.
I MEAN, FROM WHAT WE KNOW FROM THE OTHER COUNTIES IS THE ALCOHOL THING IS NOT A BIG DEAL.
AND JUST ONE IT'S THAT KIND OF, I'M SEEING PILOT PROGRAM TO HELP IF YOU WANT TO MAKE A MOTION.
SO MY MOTION WILL BE, WE WRITE THE LETTER TO THE COUNTY, UH, SUPPORTING A PILOT PROGRAM, AND THEN THAT'S, UH, WE DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER SUGGESTIONS THAT, UNLESS WE JUST SAY NO ALCOHOL, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT HELPS US ANY, BUT IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THAT'S A BIG DEAL BASED UPON OTHER COUNTIES.
MR. MERRICK PROGRAM GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY.
GRAB, I, I DON'T, I HATE TO JUMP IN WHILE YOU GUYS ARE IN THE PROCESS OF MAKING MOTIONS AND MAKING DECISIONS, BUT I THINK WE, WE HEARD SOME ADVICE OR SOME DIRECTION FROM THE COUNCIL TO US ABOUT FALLING WITH COUNTY COUNCIL AND COUNTY STAFF.
I THINK THERE'S SOME VALUE TO SOME BIG UNKNOWNS, I THINK RIGHT NOW.
AND I THINK THERE'S SOME VALUE AND WE HAVE TIME.
YOU JUST HEARD FROM THE DIRECTOR THAT WE HAVE UNTIL JANUARY.
I THINK THERE'S SOME VALUE IN AT LEAST GETTING SOME ANSWERS BACK ON THOSE ISSUES.
I THINK THERE'S SOME VALUE IN STAFF, CONTACTING CITIES IN RIVERSIDE COUNTY.
I KNOW THE PUBLIC SPEAKER CONTACTED THE COUNTY OF SAN DIEGO, BUT THE COUNTY SAN DIEGO DOESN'T DO CODE ENFORCEMENT IN CORONA AND MARIETTA, RIGHT? SO WE'LL CONTACT COUNTY OR CITY FOLKS.
WE'LL GET THE, A BETTER SENSE.
AND I THINK THAT WILL GIVE THE COUNCIL MORE COMFORT AND SOME MORE, MORE DATA THAT WILL BE USEFUL TO YOU ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
SO I WOULD RECOMMEND YOU ACTUALLY HOLD OFF ON, ON WRITING A LETTER, SENDING A LETTER UNTIL WE COME BACK AND REGENE DIES THIS, SORRY.
I MAKE A MOTION TO THAT EFFECT.
SECOND, PLEASE VOTE MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.
WE'RE GOING TO TAKE YOUR QUICK THREE TO FIVE MINUTE, THREE MINUTE BREAK TO TAKE CARE OF SOME BUSINESS.
LET'S GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED AGAIN.
[13. Senate Bill 9 (Atkins) RECOMMENDATION: This is an informational report only. No action required.]
THE LAST ADMINISTRATIVE REPORT I'M 13 IS REPORT ON SENATE BILL NINE, AND I'LL ASK OUR STAFF TO TELL US ABOUT THIS ITEM.IT JUST GIVE ME A MOMENT HERE.
WE'LL HAVE THIS POWERPOINT UP.
SO SENATE BILL NINE WAS INTRODUCED BY SENATOR TONI ATKINS IS DECEMBER, 2020, AND THIS BILL WAS SIGNED BY THE GOVERNOR IN SEPTEMBER OF THIS YEAR.
IN FACT, ON SEPTEMBER 16TH, UM, THIS BILL,
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UH, HAS TWO CRITICAL COMPONENTS, AT LEAST IN STAFF'S OPINION.ONE, UM, IT REQUIRES MINISTERIAL APPROVAL OF QUALIFYING DUPLEX IN A DUPLEX UNITS IN SINGLE FAMILY, RESIDENTIAL ZONES, ALSO MINISTER APPROVAL OF QUALIFYING URBAN LOTS SPLITS TO CREATE TWO PARCELS OF AT LEAST 1200 SQUARE FEET IN SINGLE FAMILY ZONES.
IT WOULD BE CLEAR ON WHAT A MINISTER APPROVAL IS TO MAKE SURE I HAVE THE, GIVE ME A SECOND HERE.
UM, THIS CITY COULD NOT EXERCISE ANY DISCRETION WHEN DENYING A PROJECT.
IF IT MEETS ALL OF THE STATE REQUIREMENTS IN SB NINE AND THE CITY MAY NOT HOLD ANY PUBLIC HEARINGS ON AN URBAN LOT, SPLIT MINISTERIAL APPROVAL OF A HOUSING OF A DUPLEX IS NO MORE THAN TWO UNITS ON A, ON ONE LOT IN A SINGLE FAMILY ZONE.
SO THE SINGLE FAMILY ZONING THAT'S THE CITY HAS IN PLACE, UM, IS NO LONGER IN EFFECT COME JANUARY 1ST, 2022.
WHAT THIS MEANS IS THAT ANYBODY WHO HAS A SINGLE FAMILY HOME CAN CREATE A DUPLEX OUT OF THAT SINGLE FAMILY HOME AND CITY HAS TO APPROVE THAT MINISTERIALLY WHICH MEANS JUST, UH, OVER THE COUNTER OR THROUGH BUILDING PERMIT PROCESS, UM, WHERE THIS CANNOT OCCUR THOUGH.
UM, HERE IN OKLAHOMA WOULD BE IN OUR VERY HIGH FIRE, SEVERE SEVERITY ZONES AND SPECIAL FLOOD HAZARD AREAS.
UH, ALCOHOLS FIRE ZONES ARE ON THE EAST AND WEST OF US.
SO IN FLETCHER HILL CANYON AREAS AND IN THE SHADOW MOUNTAIN EAST PART OF THE CITY, WE DO HAVE SPECIAL FLOOD HAZARD AREAS ON AND PARTS OF THE VALLEY FLOOR.
SO THAT WOULD ELIMINATE SOME PROPERTIES, BUT THE MAJORITY, UM, COULD TAKE ADVANTAGE PRIMARILY ON THE, ON THE VALLEY FLOOR.
UM, SOME OTHER LIMITATIONS INCLUDE THE, UH, CANNOT DEMO AFFORDABLE HOUSING OR RENTAL HOUSING WITHIN THE PAST THREE YEARS OR IN HISTORICAL PROPERTY.
AND IF MODIFICATIONS ARE MADE TO THE EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING TO MAKE A DUPLEX, UH, NO MORE THAN 25% OF THE EXTERIOR WALLS CAN BE MODIFIED OR REMOVED SB NINE, ALSO LIMITS LOCAL AUTHORITY TO IMPOSE OBJECTIVE STANDARDS.
AND THE CITY CANNOT IMPOSE STANDARDS SET WITH PHYSICALLY PRECLUDE UNITS OF AT LEAST 800 SQUARE FEET, AS IT RELATES TO SETBACKS THE EXISTING STRUCTURE OR THE SINGLE-FAMILY HOME THAT COULD BE MADE INTO A DUPLEX CAN THE CITY CAN NOT REQUIRE ANY, UM, SETBACKS FOR THAT.
SO THINK FOR EXAMPLE, IF SOMEONE DID TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE URBAN LOT SPLIT, THEY COULD PUT A FIRE RATED WALL IN THE MIDDLE OF THE HOUSE AND THEN RUN A NEW PROPERTY LINE UP THE MIDDLE.
SO NOW THAT YOUR SINGLE-FAMILY LIGHT IS NOW TWO LOTS WITH A LOT ON, WITH A HOME ON EACH SIDE AND THE CITY CAN NOT RECALL.
AND LET ME BACK UP FOR A SECOND THERE FOR ANY NEW STRUCTURES.
UM, THE STATE HAS SAID THAT WE CANNOT REQUIRE MORE THAN A FOUR FOOT SETBACK ON THE SIDE OR REAR.
SO FOUR FEET IS NO MORE THAN PUTTING YOUR HANDS OUT A LITTLE PAST YOUR SHOULDERS.
UM, THAT'S THE MAXIMUM SETBACK THAT THE CITY CAN, UM, REQUIRE TO THE REAR AND SIDE PROPERTY LINES IF THE LOT OR THE DUPLEX IS WITHIN A HALF MILE OF A TRANSIT CORRIDOR OR A MAJOR BUS STOP, OR WITHIN ONE BLOCK OF A CAR SHARE, THE CITY CAN NOT REACH THE CITY CAN NOT REQUIRE PARKING.
SO IF YOU THINK OF BROADWAY FLETCHER PARKWAY, EAST MAIN STREET, ALCON BOULEVARD, UH, MAGNOLIA MAULSON, THOSE ARE MAJOR TRANSIT CORRIDORS LIKELY TO HAVE BUS STOPS.
UM, IF YOU TAKE A HALF MILE FROM THOSE CORRIDORS, THAT'S ABOUT 90% OF THE CITY.
IF SOMEONE WERE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF SB NINE, WHERE THE CITY COULD NOT REQUIRE PARKING SPACE, AGAIN, THIS WOULD THEN PUT, UH, NEW VEHICLES OUT ONTO THE STREET.
SO ON THE, ON THE URBAN LOT SPLITS.
SO THIS HAS A SUNSET DATE OF JANUARY 1ST, 2027.
UM, AGAIN, THE CITY MUST MISS MINISTERIALLY APPROVED PARCEL MAPS IN SINGLE FAMILY ZONES THAT AT LEAST MEET THE FOLLOWING, UM, CREATES TWO PARCELS OF ROUGHLY EQUAL SIZE.
CAN'T GO LESS THAN A 40 60 SPLIT, AND THEN CAN'T HAVE, UH, PARCELS ANY LESS THAN 1200 SQUARE FEET IN ORDER TO MEET THE STATE PROVISION TO ALLOW AT LEAST IN A HOUSE OF 800 SQUARE FEET,
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URBAN LOT SPLITS HAD THE SAME BASIC LIMITATIONS AS DUPLEX.SO THINK ABOUT THE, UM, FIRE ZONES, FLOOD ZONES.
WE DON'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH COASTAL OR WETLANDS, WHICH ARE OTHER LIMITATIONS FOR OTHER CITIES.
UM, IF AN OWNER WERE TO DO AN URBAN LOT SPLIT, THAT OWNER COULD NOT, UM, SPLIT THE PROPERTY ANY FURTHER, UM, AND THAT SAME OWNER CAN'T DO THE SAME TWO ADJACENT PARCELS.
WE BELIEVE THIS IS IN AN EFFORT TO, UM, KEEP DEVELOPERS AT A MINIMUM.
THE CITY CAN DO THE FOLLOWING.
UM, THE CITY CAN, UM, REQUIRE ACCESS TO THE RIGHT OF WAY.
UM, ALTHOUGH THE STATE SAYS THE CITY CAN IMPOSE AN OWNER OCCUPANCY REQUIREMENT, THE LAW LIMITS THAT TO SIGNING AN AFFIDAVIT SAYING THAT THE OWNER WILL NOT, UH, WILL LIVE ON THE PROPERTY FOR AT LEAST THREE YEARS.
UM, THE CITY CAN PROHIBIT SHORT TERM RENTALS OF THESE, UM, URBAN LOT SPLITS AS WELL AS FOR NEW DUPLEXES THAT TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE URBAN LOT SPLITS.
THE CITY CAN ALSO PROHIBIT MORE THAN, UH, KENNAN PROHIBIT ADS AND JAY DUES ON THESE NEWLY CREATED PARCELS.
SO WHAT, WHAT, WHAT'S THE EFFECT OF THIS? SO IF YOU LOOK AT SOMEONE WHO MIGHT BE TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF SB NINE AND DO A DUPLEX, THE PRIMARY UNIT CAN BECOME TWO UNITS, UH, BY PUTTING A FIREWALL IN THE MIDDLE AND CREATING TWO NEW TWO NEW UNITS, UM, OR SOMEONE COULD BUILD A NEW HOUSE AT THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, THEY ALSO CAN STILL HAVE TWO 80 USE FOR EACH OF THOSE TWO UNITS.
SO THAT GIVES US A TOTAL OF FOUR UNITS ON A SINGLE FAMILY'S OWN PROPERTY.
IF SOMEONE WERE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE URBAN LOTS SPLIT, THE SAME WOULD BE THE RESULT WOULD BE THE SAME UP TO FOUR UNITS.
YOU COULD DO TWO UNITS OF ANY KIND ON EACH NEWLY CREATED PARCEL.
HOWEVER, SINCE THE STATE DOES ALLOW THE CITY, UM, TO PROHIBIT 80 USE THE RESULT WOULD STILL BE FOUR UNITS ON TWO NEWLY CREATED LOTS.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT THIS IN A COMBINED EFFORT, UH, SB NINE, AGAIN ALLOWS THE CITY TO PROHIBIT 80 USER JDS ON EACH OF THESE NEWLY CREATED PARCELS.
UM, THE TWO PRIMARY UNITS ON EACH NEW LOT, AGAIN, AS I JUST EXPLAINED, COULD RESULT IN UP TO FOUR UNITS.
THIS IS JUST A BRIEF, UH, QUICK EXHIBIT THAT WE PUT TOGETHER THAT COULD PAINT THE EXAMPLE OF A NEIGHBORHOOD IF, IF ONE WERE TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF THIS.
SO YOUR TYPICAL SAME SINGLE-FAMILY ZONED PROPERTY, YOU WILL SAY 6,000 SQUARE FEET WITH A MODEST HOUSE OF ABOUT 2000 SQUARE FEET.
NORMALLY LOOKS LIKE THIS ON THE VALLEY FLOOR ON THE, THE IMAGE ON YOUR LEFT.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE ONE ON THE RIGHT, YOU COULD SEE HOW YOUR SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD IS TURNED INTO A MULTI-FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD WITH THE PROVISIONS OF THE URBAN LOT SPLIT.
SO THE ONE WITH THE, UM, ON THE, ON THE RIGHT IMAGE TO THE FURTHEST LEFT, WHERE YOU SEE PURPLE, UM, YOU SEE AN URBAN LOT SPLIT UP THE MIDDLE WHERE A 6,000 SQUARE FOOT LOT WAS SPLIT UP THE MIDDLE.
AND THEN YOU HAD TWO DUPLEXES ON EACH TO GIVE YOU FOUR UNITS TOTAL ON THIS ONCE SINGLE FAMILIES OWN PROPERTY THAT ONLY HAD ONE SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING ON IT.
THIS IS AGAIN, THAT GOES INTO EFFECT JANUARY 1ST, 2022, AND STAFF IS AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
SO I THOUGHT IN THE STAFF REPORT, AND I DIDN'T SEE IT IN THE POWERPOINT, UH, YOU CANNOT DEMOLISH A MARKET RATE HOUSING.
THE LAW PROHIBITS THE DEMOLITION OF MARKET RATE HOUSING.
THAT'S BEEN RENTED AS BEING RENTED FOR THE LAST THREE YEARS.
WHAT ABOUT MY HOUSE, A MARKET RATE HOUSE? COULD I DEMOLISH MY HOUSE AND PUT A BUNCH OF STUFF ON THERE IF THE CITY ALLOWS IT? SO THE SB NINE GIVES THE OPTION TO THE CITY.
IF THEY'RE WILLING TO GO BEYOND THAT 25% DEMOLITION LIMITATION, THAT'S AN SB NINE.
SO IF A PERSON WANTS TO DEMOLISH THEIR WHOLE HOUSE, NUMBER ONE, THAT THEY STILL HAVE TO LIVE ON ONE OF THOSE NEW UNITS FOR THE NEXT THREE YEARS.
WHY ARE YOU GOING TO MOVE OUT OF YOUR 2,800 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE INTO A DUPLEX THAT HAS A THOUSAND SQUARE FEET OR LESS IT'S POSSIBLE? I DON'T THINK IT'S HIGHLY PROBABLE, UM, I, THE THREE YEAR, I'M MORE WORRIED ABOUT THE INCREMENTALISM OF THIS SB NINE.
I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING, GONNA, WE'RE GOING TO SEE A LOT OF CHANGE
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BECAUSE OF THE OWNER HAS TO LIVE ON THERE FOR THREE YEARS.ONCE TONY AT CAN SEES THAT THERE'S NOT THE ACTIVITY THAT SHE WANTED IN TERMS OF NEW UNITS, SHE'S GONNA, MY PREDICTION IS SHE'LL LIFT THE THREE-YEAR RESIDENCY REQUIREMENT AND NOW DEVELOPERS WILL COME IN AND DO THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
DID, DOES THE LAW SAY THAT IT'S GOING TO SUNSET IN 27? PARDON ME? SB NINE URBAN LOT SPLIT PROVISION IS SET TO TERMINATE IN 2027.
WHAT, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN WHEN IT, WHEN YOU SAY IT'S GOING TO SUNSET IN 20, 20 17 OR 2027, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? UH, WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT IN LESS, UM, THE LEGISLATURE CHANGES THE LAW.
UM, URBAN LOT SPLITS WILL NOT BE AVAILABLE UNDER SB NINE.
SO WE, THE GOAL WOULD BE TO GET AS MANY OF THESE SPLIT LOTS OUT AS, AS MUCH AND AS FAST AS POSSIBLE BEFORE THE SUNSET DATE, CORRECT.
WOULD BE KIND OF THE, THE GOAL OF TONY ATKINS.
I THINK I CAN'T SPEAK FOR TONY ATKINS, BUT OUR EXPERIENCE HAS BEEN WHEN THERE'S A SET DATE AT A LAW COMES ALONG TO REMOVE THE SUNSET DATE.
WELL, MY QUESTION IS WHAT'S STOPPING.
I UNDERSTAND THAT A DEVELOPER COULDN'T COME IN AND DO IT TO ONE HOUSE AND THEN GO NEXT DOOR AND DO IT TO THE NEXT HOUSE, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
BUT WHAT IS STOPPING A DEVELOPER DOING ONE IN EACH BLOCK, LIKE GOING DOWN MOLLISON AND JUST DOING IT ACROSS, YOU KNOW, EVERY OTHER HOUSE, WHATEVER END CAN THEY BUY.
SO LIKE ON MOLLISON, THEY HAVE ALL THESE HOUSES, A DEVELOPER CAN'T COME IN AND PURCHASE THOSE HOMES, LIKE SAY OVERMARKET DEMOLISH THEM AND PUT IN DUPLEX.
DOES THAT MEAN, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
THE DEVELOPER COULD COME IN, BUY PROPERTY, CREATE A DUPLEX OUT OF THE SINGLE FAMILY HOME THAT'S THERE.
RIGHT? COME BACK WITH A EUROPEAN LOT.
SPLIT CREATE LAND, USE THE LAND IN THE BACK TO BUILD ANOTHER DUPLEX.
NOW THAT PROPERTY OWNER, OR THAT DEVELOPER HAS FOUR UNITS ON THAT PROPERTY, THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE THE MORE LIKELY EXAMPLE.
SO GOING DOWN MOLLISON, WE HAVE ALL THESE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, AND THERE'S ONLY A COUPLE OF INSTANCES.
I, AND I CAN ONLY SPEAK FROM, SAY BRADLEY DOWN TO BROADWAY.
THERE'S ONLY A COUPLE OF INSTANCES WHERE THERE ARE DUPLEXES.
THERE'S ONE NEXT TO THE NAZARENE CHURCH THAT HAS A DUPLEX IN THE FRONT AND A SINGLE FAMILY IN THE BACK.
AND THEN, UM, PRETTY MUCH ACROSS THE STREET.
THERE'S SEVERAL LITTLE DUPLEXES RIGHT THERE.
WE ALREADY HAVE BAD PARKING ON MOLLISON AND PEOPLE LEAVE THEIR GARBAGE CANS OUT ON MOLLISON EVERY SINGLE DAY, SO THAT NOBODY PARKS IN FRONT OF THEIR HOUSE.
I CAN SEE THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE A PROBLEM, ESPECIALLY IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA WHERE A DEVELOPER WILL COME IN AND THERE'S NOTHING STOPPING HIM FROM BUYING THESE HOUSES THAT SOMETIMES HAVE A HARD TIME SELLING.
AND THEY'RE ON THE MARKET FOR A REALLY LONG TIME.
AND SO THEY COME IN, THEY BUY A HOUSE HERE IN THIS BLOCK AND THEY BUY ONE DOWN THE STREET AND NOW THEY'RE BUILDING IT UP.
IS THERE A HEIGHT RESTRICTION? SO JUST TO CLARIFY, WHEN A DEVELOPER, IF A DEVELOPER WERE TO COME IN, THE DEVELOPER, THE LAW REQUIRES THE DEVELOPER TO LIVE ON THE PROPERTY.
IF THEY TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE URBAN LOT, SPLIT NOT TO CREATE TWO HOMES ON ONE.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS ASKING BEFORE IS LIKE, CAN A DEVELOPER JUST COME IN AND DO THAT? IS IT ONLY ON VACANT LOTS THAT THEY CAN DO THAT? TH TH TH THE DEVELOPER IS RE, IS UNDER THE LAWS REQUIRED TO SIGN AN AFFIDAVIT.
AND AN AFFIDAVIT ONLY IS WHAT THE LAW SAYS.
IF THEY TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE URBAN LOT SPLIT THAT THE DEVELOPER DOES HAVE TO LIVE ON THE PROPERTY.
IF THEY BUY THE PROPERTY AND CREATE TWO HOMES ON THE PROPERTY, EITHER BY DUPLEX OR TWO DETACHED UNITS, BUT THEY CAN, THEY CAN DEMOLISH THE HOUSE.
SO WHAT'S STOPPING THEM FROM DOING THAT ON LIKE, SAY MOLLISON AND JUST TURNING EVERY, YOU KNOW, EVERY OTHER BLOCK INTO DUPLEXES IT'S CERTAINLY POSSIBLE.
AND THEN IS THERE A HEIGHT LIMIT? SO IF THEY SPLIT THAT LOT, ARE THEY REMAINING SINGLE LEVEL HOMES OR CAN THEY BUILD UP?
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THEY CAN CERTAINLY BUILD UP THE LOSS.UM, IT APPEARS TO US THAT THE LAW ALLOWS FOR THE CITY TO ADDRESS SOME BULK DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS SUCH AS HEIGHT.
YOU KNOW, TO THAT POINT, UM, MICHELLE, ON OUR STREET, THERE'S A ONE ACRE LOT.
CURRENTLY HAS ONE HOUSE ON IT.
IT'S ZONED, UH, RS THREE, I THINK IT IS, OR A SIX OR A 14.
I'M GOING TO PICK A NUMBER AND YOU JUST TELL ME WHEN TO STOP.
BELIEVE THAT NEIGHBORHOOD IS ZONED RS 14 OR 14TH.
SO YOU CAN PUT THREE HOUSES ON AN ACRE AND IT'S APPROVED ZONE.
SO THE DEVELOPER COULD COME IN TODAY, WIPE OUT THE ONE HOUSE THAT'S ON THAT ACRE AND PUT THREE HOUSES.
AND THIS IS NOT PART OF SB NINE.
THEY CAN DO THAT TODAY, BUT IF THEY WANT IT SPLIT THAT ONE ACRE INTO TWO DIFFERENT LOTS AND DO THIS TWO AND TWO, THEY HAVE TO LIVE IN ONE OF THOSE HOUSES.
LET'S UM, SEE IF THERE'S ANY, UH, SPEAKER CARDS ON THIS ITEM WE DO SERVE, WE HAVE ONE FROM DR.
ALAN, THANK YOU, CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS.
THANK YOU STAFF FOR ALLOWING ME A FEW MINUTES TO SPEAK ON THIS VERY TOPIC.
YOU HAVE FOUND A HOMEOWNER WHO IS VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THIS SB NINE.
UM, THE DAY BEFORE I DEPLOYED TO AFGHANISTAN, I BOUGHT A HOUSE IN OKLAHOMA, A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE HOUSE.
I DID THAT WITH PURPOSE BECAUSE ALCOHOL IS A GREAT COMMUNITY TO LIVE IN.
I THINK WE CAN ALL AGREE TO THAT.
BUT WHEN YOU ALLOW THIS TYPE OF LEGISLATION TO OCCUR, IT DESTROYS THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE OPPORTUNITIES.
AND ONE CAN ONLY DISCERN FROM THE ORACLES THAT THE IDEA IS TO PROVIDE SOME AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR OUR COMMUNITY IN WHICH WE DEFINITELY NEED TO HAVE.
BUT I BOUGHT A HOUSE, A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE, NOT TO HAVE DUPLEXES BY ME AND IN DEFERENCE, OUR PREVIOUS SPEAKERS NOT TO HAVE A RESTAURANT BEHIND ME AND BESIDE ME.
SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU, UH, WITH YOUR CITY ATTORNEY AND, UH, THE CITY MANAGER TO LOOK AT THE CONSEQUENCES OF THIS BEHAVIOR.
ONE IS I'D ENCOURAGE YOU TO THINK ABOUT IN GEN AND JOINING ANY LAWSUIT THAT GOES FORWARD TO CHALLENGE THE STATE BILL.
I'D ENCOURAGE THE CITY TO THINK ABOUT THAT CAREFULLY.
THE SECOND THING IS THIS HAS THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES OF, UM, AFFECTING CITY ITEMS, SUCH AS, UH, PLUMBING.
CAUSE WHEN YOU HAVE TWO OR MORE, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ATTACH IT TO SOMETHING RIGHT ELECTRICITY.
WHO'S GOING TO BEAR THE COST OF THOSE ITEMS. IT'S GOING TO BE THE CITY BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DIG UP THE STREETS TO BUILD NEW PLUMBING.
THINK ABOUT THOSE ITEMS AGAIN, I'M JUST A HOMEOWNER.
BUT I THINK IF I WENT INTO MY NEIGHBORHOOD, I COULD FIND PEOPLE THAT WOULD SUPPORT MY POSITION ON THIS.
SO I ENCOURAGE YOU TO CAREFULLY THINK ABOUT THAT BECAUSE THIS IS ONE OF THE LAST BASTIONS IN CALIFORNIA TO HAVE THIS SORT OF IDEA GO FORWARD.
SO BE WISE IN YOUR DECISIONS NOW, OTHER HOMEOWNERS THAT ARE WITH ME ON THIS, JUST TO WARN YOU SO YOU DON'T GET DISAPPOINTED.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE VOTING ON ANYTHING TODAY.
THIS IS JUST TELLING US WHAT'S HAPPENING.
THE TAURUS, DIDN'T YOU SAY AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS, YOU WANT PEOPLE WHO ARE SENSORS.
AND I, FOR ONE, 100% AGREE WITH YOU, BUT I UNDERSTAND, I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU A HOMEOWNER'S PERSPECTIVE.
I APPRECIATE THAT, YOU KNOW, THE DANGER OF, OF THIS WHOLE POLICY OF DENSITY ALSO HAS PUBLIC SAFETY IMPLICATIONS.
AND YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE PACKING ALL THESE PEOPLE INTO A SMALLER AREA GOING UP AND IN A TIME OF A NATURAL DISASTER, IT'S GOING TO BE REALLY HARD TO EVACUATE PEOPLE A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, UH, DURING THE FRIARS RIDGE OVERPASS PROJECT, A CONTRACTOR HIT A REGIONAL GAS LINE, LIKE A 24 INCH GAS LINE.
AND THEY EVACUATED EVERYBODY WITHIN A HALF A MILE IN MY OFFICE WAS IN THAT HALF A MILE.
I DIDN'T GET HOME TILL SIX O'CLOCK AND I LEFT AT NOON AND I SAW, WE JUST TOOK OUT OUR CHAIRS AND SAT IN THE PARKING LOT AND WATCHED A TRANSIT BUS MOVE A HUNDRED FEET AND THREE HOURS.
THIS, THIS DENSITY THING IS A PUBLIC SAFETY RISK.
AND I THINK WE'RE IN AGREEMENT THAT 25% DEMOLISHING
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THING WE COULD, WE'RE LIKE, WELL, IF YOU DEMOLISHED MORE THAN 25%, NO.SO I THINK WE'RE ALL IN AGREEMENT WE'RE WITH YOU DON'T CHANGE THE CHARACTER OF WHAT A CITY IS.
IT'S ZONED FOR DIFFERENT PERSONALITIES IN DIFFERENT AREAS.
AND NOW THE STATE IS SAYING, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO WIPE IT OUT AND YOU GOT TO DO THIS, THIS, THIS, YEAH.
UH, ANOTHER COMMENT REAL QUICK.
THE COUNCIL VOTED UNANIMOUSLY, I THINK MAYBE A YEAR AGO TO JOIN THE CO A COALITION OF LOW SMALL CITIES.
AND THE COALITION IS CALLED CALIFORNIA CITIES FOR LOCAL CONTROL.
AND IT'S SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED AROUND THESE TYPES OF BILLS COMING FROM SACRAMENTO, BASICALLY WIPING OUT OUR JURISDICTIONAL APPROVAL FOR ANYTHING, WITH OUR COMMUNITIES AND, UH, THE, THE COALITION DRAFTS LETTERS OF OPPOSITION AND, AND THEY, THEY PRESENT ARGUMENTS LIKE YOURS, UM, AS TO WHY THIS IS BAD FOR COMMUNITIES.
UM, SO WE UNANIMOUSLY JOINED THAT COALITION TO SAY, HEY, WE, WE, WE NEED SOME LOCAL CONTROL.
IF YOU DON'T GIVE US CONTROL, THEN WHAT'S THE POINT OF US HAVING LOCAL GOVERNMENT.
SO, UH, WE, WE GOT OUT AHEAD OF IT EARLY.
SO YEAH, ALAN, I, I AGREE WITH YOU COMPLETELY.
UH, I'M A RETIRED REAL ESTATE APPRAISER AND YOU START POPPING, UH, OTHER UNITS IN EVERYBODY'S BACKYARD AND IT DOES CHANGE THE CHARACTER THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND MAKES YOUR SINGLE FAMILY HOME WORTH LESS.
WELL, WHAT I'LL DO IS IF I DECIDE TO SELL MY HOUSE AND I KNOW MR. GOBLE, THERE IS A DEVELOPER AND HE CAN PUT FOUR PLACES ON IT.
I'M GOING TO SAY TO MYSELF, DO I SELL IT FOR THE PRICE I BOUGHT IT? OR DO I MULTIPLY THAT BY THREE? AND I'LL GIVE HIM 50.
I'LL GIVE HIM, YOU KNOW, 10% FOR GOODNESS.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT? I THINK YOU ALL KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? I THINK IT'S INTENDED.
I THINK WE ALL WANT AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
BUT THE MECHANISM TO GET THERE IS NOT SB NINE.
IT JUST IS NOT, IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.
THAT'S MY PERSPECTIVE AS A HOMEOWNER.
THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME THE TIME TO CALL.
I JUST REAL BRIEFLY, I I'VE SEEN DOC OR NOT DOCUMENTATION, BUT I'VE SEEN SOME OF THE, UM, COMMENTS OR THOUGHTS FROM LEGISLATORS AND FROM OTHERS THAT BASICALLY THEY WANT US OUT OF OUR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
THEY DON'T WANT, YOU SHOULDN'T OWN ANYTHING AND YOU SHOULD BE HAPPY ABOUT NOT OWNING ANYTHING.
AND THAT'S KIND OF THE SENTIMENT THAT I SEE GOING THROUGH ON SOCIAL MEDIA, WHICH YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH CREDIBILITY CAN YOU GIVE TO IT.
BUT YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT DON'T WANT PEOPLE OWNING SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
THEY DON'T WANT US OWNING PROPERTY.
THEY WANT YOU OUT OF YOUR CAR AND THEY WANT YOU LIVING IN MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENCES, TAKING THE BUS OR WALKING OR RIDING YOUR BIKE.
THAT'S THE REALITY THAT THEY WANT TO PUSH.
AND I THINK THAT IT'S REALLY DIFFICULT FOR CITIZENS TO EVEN HAVE A VOICE IN THAT.
I MEAN, THE AMERICAN DREAM IS YOU WORK HARD, YOU SAVE YOUR MONEY AND YOU BUY A HOME AND THAT'S THE AMERICAN DREAM.
AND THAT'S WHY PEOPLE COME FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD TO COME TO THE UNITED STATES TO DO THAT.
NOW, CALIFORNIA IS, IS MAKING ITS, YOU KNOW, MANDATE AND TELLING PEOPLE THEY CAN'T DO THIS.
AND THEY'RE TELLING GOVERNMENTS THAT THEY CAN'T DO THIS, BUT WHAT HAPPENED TO THE AMERICAN DREAM? AND THIS IS JUST A COMMENTARY AND I COULD GO ON FOREVER, BUT IT'S THE, THE AMERICAN DREAM THAT'S KIND OF BEING SQUISHED DOWN RIGHT NOW.
AND I, I AGREE WITH YOU AS WELL AS I'M SURE MOST OF MY COLLEAGUES HERE AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S SAD AND I WOULD FIGHT FOR IT AS WELL, YOU KNOW, TO FIGHT AGAINST IT.
BUT PERSONALLY, I AM AFRAID THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE MUCH CHOICE IN.
WELL, UM, LET'S PUT THE FIREWALL AROUND ALCOHOL.
UM, SO NO ITEM IS NO MOTIONS EITHER.
THIS ITEM IS JUST INFORMATION.
THERE ARE NO COMMISSIONER REPORTS ON TODAY'S AGENDA.
[14. Council Activity Report]
14 IS BY ACTIVITIES AS, AS REPORTED.[15. COUNCILMEMBER STEVE GOBLE MTS (Metropolitan Transit System Board); East County Advanced Water Purification Joint Powers Authority Board; Chamber of Commerce – Government Affairs Committee; SANDAG – Board of Directors – Alternate; SANDAG Public Safety Committee – Alternate; METRO Commission/Wastewater JPA – Alternate.]
REPORTS FOR COUNCIL MEMBERS, COUNCIL MEMBER.WELL, UH, AS REPORTED WITH THE 32ND COMMENT FROM LAST FRIDAY, SANDAG MEETING, THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT NOW, UH, WHEN YOU HAVE A THREE LANE FREEWAY, UH, TAKING ONE OF THOSE LANES AWAY, MAKING IT A MANAGED LANE AND USING THE RIGHT SHOULDER AS A NEW FOURTH LANE.
AND I GOT TO TELL YOU, THERE, THERE ARE OFF THE RAILS ON THIS ONE.
THEY WILL NEED FEDERAL APPROVAL BECAUSE IT'S A FEDERAL HIGHWAY.
FEDERAL FUNDS INVOLVED THEY'LL NEED STATE APPROVAL, BUT THEY'RE GOING TO GO FOR IT.
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I NEED A SHOULDER AND I BET THEY GET, I BET THEY GET IT.ARE THERE, THEY'RE TAKING AWAY A GENERAL PURPOSE TRAVEL LANE.
THEY'RE TAKING IT AWAY FROM US.
THEY LOOK SANDAG DOES NOT WANT YOU TO DRIVE CARS.
AND THAT'S UNTIL WE GRASP THAT AND INTERNALIZE IT, WE'RE GOING TO ALWAYS BE SHOCKED.
WELL, THE GAS LEAK I MENTIONED IN MISSION VALLEY, THEY WANTED US TO GET OUT OF THERE BY PUBLIC TRANSIT, BY RAIL.
IT'S NOT OPERATING WHEN THERE'S A GAS LEAK AROUND, IT'S GOT TO SPARK THE FIRE.
SO UNLESS THEY HAD HELICOPTERS WAITING FOR US, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE'RE GOING TO GET OUT OF HERE, THERE BEFORE IT BLOWS UP.
[17. COUNCILMEMBER MICHELLE METSCHEL Harry Griffen Park Joint Steering Committee; Heartland Communications – Alternate; Heartland Fire Training JPA – Alternate.]
MEMBER MACHEL AS REPORTED OUTSIDE[16. MAYOR PRO TEM GARY KENDRICK METRO Commission/Wastewater JPA; Heartland Communications; Heartland Fire Training JPA.]
COUNCIL MEMBER AND MAYOR PRO TEM, GARY KENDRICK AS REPORTED AND MR. ORTIZ,[18. COUNCILMEMBER PHIL ORTIZ League of California Cities, San Diego Division; East County Economic Development Council; MTS (Metropolitan Transit System Board) – Alternate; East County Advanced Water Purification Joint Powers Authority Board – Alternate; Chamber of Commerce – Government Affairs Committee – Alternate.]
I HAVE THIS MIND VERBALLY ON 10, SIX.I TOOK A TOUR OF, UH, THE NEW ACADEMY HERE IN OKLAHOMA.
OBVIOUSLY ON THE 9TH OF OCTOBER, I WAS AT FOODIE FEST.
AND THEN YESTERDAY, THE 11TH, I WAS AT THE REPUBLIC REPUBLICAN PARTY CENTRAL COMMITTEE MEETING.
UM, THERE ARE NO JOINT COUNCIL MEMBER AND NO GENERAL INFORMATION ITEMS ON TODAY'S AGENDA.
THERE ARE NO FIRST OR SECOND READINGS ORDINANCES AND NO CLOSED SESSION.
AND THIS BRINGS US TO A GERMAN, THE REGULAR JOINT MEETING OF THE ALCON CITY COUNCIL ON HOUSING AUTHORITY, SUCCESSOR AGENTS USE THE ALCOHOL REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY HELD THIS 12TH DAY OF OCTOBER, 2021 IS ADJOURN TILL TUESDAY, OCTOBER 26TH, 2021 AT 3:00 PM.