Apr 27, 2021 City Council Meeting 3pm

WOULD YOU PLEASE STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE AND REMAIN STANDING FOR A BRIEF MOMENT OF SILENCE? I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

POSTED ORDERS OF A GERMAN OF THE APRIL 30TH, 2021 TO BT AND THE AGENDA OF THE APRIL 27TH, 21, 2021 MEATY IN ACCORDANCE WITH STATE LAW COUNCIL AT HOUSING AUTHORITY POLICY.

UH, THE CITY CLERK

[ POSTINGS: The City Clerk posted Orders of Adjournment of the April 13, 2021, Meeting and the Agenda of the April 27, 2021, Meeting in accordance to State Law and Council/Authority/Successor Agency to the Redevelopment Agency Policy.]

WE HAVE ONE

[ PRESENTATIONS: April Pool's Day]

PRESENTATION ON TODAY'S AGENDA AND OUR DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND RECREATION.

FRANK CARSON'S WILL BE HERE.

FRANK, HE'S RUNNING THE I FRAME.

THANK YOU, BARRY.

I'M GOING TO INTRODUCE DOMINIC MANGI PANI.

HE'S OUR SERVICES SUPERVISOR AT THE FLETCHER HILLS POOL AND HE OVERSEES OUR AQUATICS PROGRAMS. GOOD AFTERNOON.

UM, AGAIN, MY NAME IS DOMINIC MANGIA PANI.

I'M YOUR RECREATION SERVICES SUPERVISOR AT FLETCHER HILLS CENTER.

AND, UH, WE ARE GOING TO BE HOSTING A DROWNING PREVENTION AWARENESS, UH, EVENT ON FRIDAY, APRIL 30TH, THREE 30 TO 5:30 PM.

AND THE WHOLE POINT OF IT IS TO BRING LIGHT TO MAY BE IN OUR DROWNING PREVENTION MONTH, UH, DROWNING, UH, COUNTS FOR THE SECOND LEADING CAUSE OF DEATH AMONGST CHILDREN, ONE TO 18, UH, WITH, UM, IT BEING THE SECOND LEADING FOUR BEHIND BIRTH DEFECTS OF AGES, ONE TO FOUR AND CAR CRASHES FOR ONE TO 14.

SO IT'S A VERY PREVENTABLE ACCIDENT THAT WE CAN PREVENT THROUGH PROPER EDUCATION AND, UH, SWIM LESSONS, WHICH WE OFFER HERE IN OKLAHOMA.

UH, SO APRIL FOOL'S DAY WAS STARTED, UH, AS A KICKOFF FOR THE PRE, UH, DROWNING PREVENTION MONTH OF MAY, UH, MULTIPLE CITIES, UH, AND PRIVATE AGENCIES ALL PARTICIPATE IN THIS EVENT IN CONJUNCTION WITH SAFE KIDS WORLDWIDE.

AND WE PARTNER UP WITH OUR SAN DIEGO AQUATIC COUNCIL, WHICH ALCOHOL IS A PART OF, AND WE SHARE RESOURCES AND IDEAS ON TO MAKE SUCCESSFUL EVENTS.

SO OUR CONTRIBUTION FOR A DROWNING PREVENTION WITH OKLAHOMA, I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU 2019 STATS JUST BECAUSE THAT WAS OUR LAST NORMAL, UH, STAT.

AND WE HAD 213 REGISTERED ACTIVITIES OVER 2000 PARTICIPANTS, UH, TO JUNIOR LIFEGUARD CLASSES, UH, VARIOUS GROUP STYLE CLASSES FOR, UH, SIX TO THREE, SIX MONTHS TO THREE YEARS OLD.

WE HAD TO LEARN TO SWIM PROGRAMS, SIX, UH, YEARS UP AND, UH, AND OLDER, WE HAD A TINY TAUGHT LESSONS FOR THREE TO FIVE.

WE ALSO HAD OUR, UH, PRIVATE AND SEMI-PRIVATE LESSONS, WHICH WE WERE ABLE TO ALSO CARRY OVER INTO OUR 2020 YEAR FOR COVID.

UM, OUR SWIM TEAM IS VERY POPULAR.

IT'S ALWAYS SOLD OUT AT A MAX OF 30, AND WE'RE ABLE TO OFFER THAT THE ENTIRE SEVEN MONTHS AND THEN SAME THING WITH OUR VERY POPULAR WATER AEROBICS, UH, IN 2020, UNFORTUNATELY, YOU KNOW, WE WERE UNDER, UH, COVID RESTRICTIONS, BUT WE STILL MADE IT WORK AS BEST WE COULD.

UH, WE OFFERED PRIVATE LESSONS, 170 CLASSES IN FOUR MONTHS, 250 PARTICIPANTS.

WE WERE ABLE TO DO, UH, MODIFIED CLASSES WITH REDUCED CAPACITY FOR JUNIOR LIFEGUARDING.

UH, WE OFFERED TWO SEPARATE SWIM TEAMS AT MODIFIED CAPACITY, UH, AND THEN AEROBICS AS WELL, AND A SILVER LINING TO COVID, UH, WAS THAT WE WERE ABLE TO START DOING LAP SWIMMING, WHICH WAS SOMETHING THAT ALCOHOL DIDN'T REALLY DO BEFORE AND NOW WE'RE ABLE TO OFFER IT.

AND, UH, WE WERE ONE OF THE FIRST AND ONLY CITIES HAVE STARTED AT THE KIND OF THE MIDWAY POINT OF COVID BACK IN JULY.

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THAT WAS A VERY AWESOME LITTLE FEATHER IN OUR CAP.

AND WE GOT A LOT OF BUSINESS FROM IT.

UM, IT'S, UH, NOT BUSINESS SO MUCH AS BODIES IN THE WATER.

UM, SO FOR APRIL, 2020, WE STILL WANTED TO CONTRIBUTE, UH, TO DROWNING PREVENTION.

WE DID A DRIVE-THROUGH, UH, APRIL FOOL'S DAY EVENT AND WE OFFERED A SAFETY BAG FILLED WITH, UH, PARENTS INFORMATION AND ACTIVITIES, AND, UH, OTHER KEEPSAKES THIS YEAR, WE ARE GOING TO BE GOING BACK TO A MODIFIED VERSION OF OUR REGULAR EVENT.

UH, IT IS A GROUP OPEN SWIM.

UH, THERE WILL BE SOCIAL DISTANCING, UH, SAFETY STATIONS WITH A REACH AND THROW ACTIVITY.

WE'VE GOT A CPR MINI LESSON WITH, UH, HANDS ONLY CPR, NO VENTILATIONS, SUN SAFETY BOOTH, UH, ALSO CRAFTS.

UH, AND THEN, UH, I BELIEVE THEY WERE PASSED OUT TO YOU, THESE WATER WATCHER TAGS.

A LOT OF OUR, UH, ACCIDENTS THAT HAPPEN ARE USUALLY IN THE HOME OR AT A, AN APARTMENT POLE AS OPPOSED TO A STAFFED A CITY FACILITY.

AND THE REASON BEING IS THAT ADULTS TEND TO KIND OF FORGET THAT WE, WE HAVE A SHARED RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE CHILDREN IN OUR WATER.

SO THIS KIND OF DESIGNATES WHO OUR DESIGNATED WATCHER IS, YOU'RE ESSENTIALLY THE LIFEGUARD ON DUTY.

AND THEN IF YOU NEED TO USE THE RESTROOM OR GO GET SOME FOOD AT YOUR BARBECUE, YOU HAND OFF RESPONSIBILITY TO ANOTHER ADULT.

UH, WE'RE ALSO BEGINNING TO HAVE THE HEARTLAND FIRE DEPARTMENT AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE THERE AS LONG AS THEY DON'T GET ANY CALLS.

OF COURSE.

UM, IN WHICH CASE THEY DO HAVE TO RESPOND.

UH, BUT THAT'LL BE GREAT.

AND AGAIN, IT'S GOING TO BE THIS FRIDAY, APRIL 30TH, FROM THREE 30 TO FIVE 30, AND YOU ARE ALL WELCOME TO ATTEND.

THANKS VERY MUCH.

LET ME SEE IF THERE'S SOME QUESTIONS FOR YOU.

I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.

SURE.

PHIL, THE COMMENT, I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU FOR PUTTING ON THIS EVENT AND PARTICIPATING IN A PAST LIFE.

I WAS A LIFEGUARD AND SO I'VE SEEN KIDS DROWN AND IT HAPPENS IN A MATTER OF SECONDS.

AND SO IT'S AN EXTREMELY IMPORTANT THAT WE'RE REMINDING OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS.

WHENEVER YOU RUN A POOL, YOU'VE GOT TO KEEP A WATCHFUL EYE ON KIDS.

I LIKE TO ALWAYS THROW IN THERE, CAUSE THIS IS A ODD BALL.

A TIDBIT IS, UH, I'M A LIFEGUARD AND I'VE BEEN IN CHARGE OF, UH, OR SUPERVISING LIFEGUARDS AND TRAINING.

UH, I ALMOST AROUND ON TWO OCCASIONS, UH, ONCE IN THE BAY AND ONCE IN A POOL.

SO THIS IS KIND OF LIKE IT'S A LITTLE, YOU KNOW, UH, AWESOME THAT, UH, MILA, LIKE GIVE BACK SOME MORE QUESTIONS.

UH, YOU TALKED ABOUT JUNIOR LIFEGUARD TRAINING.

UM, WHAT'S THE AGE GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT CAN BE INVOLVED WITH IT.

UH, I WANT TO SAY IT'S NINE TO 13 AND IT DOES NOT GIVE THEM A CERT.

UH, BUT WE ARE LOOKING INTO FOR THE FUTURE OFFERING AT LEAST A CPR CERT, UH, THEY'RE NOT OLD ENOUGH TO RECEIVE A LIFEGUARDING CERT, BUT THEY CAN AT LEAST GET THE CERTIFICATION FOR CPR CAUSE THAT'S ANY AGE.

UM, WELL THAT IN ANY OF IT CERTIFIED IT OUT.

THERE'S MORE LIFE CARDS OUT THERE, SO YEAH.

THEY, IT'S KIND OF LIKE A LITTLE MINI INTERNSHIP FOR YOUNGER KIDS.

THAT'S REALLY, IS THAT GOING TO BE THE SUMMER? YES, WHAT'S THE DATES.

SO WE'LL BE STARTING OUR SUMMER PROGRAMMING JUNE 21ST WITH A REGISTRATION GOING LIVE ON JUNE 1ST.

AND SO THOSE WILL BE ON THE LIFEGUARDING PROGRAM WILL BE, UH, TUESDAYS FROM EIGHT TO EIGHT 15.

THAT'S WHY VOTE JUNE 1ST? UH, YES, FOR REGISTRATION.

UM, WHAT ABOUT THE SWIM LESSONS? UH, WHEN WILL THEY BE, HOW DO PEOPLE SIGN UP? OH, SO, UH, WELL WE DID A MODIFIED, UH, SPRING, UH, BECAUSE OF COVID.

SO THESE FIRST TWO WEEKS, WE'RE ACTUALLY STARTING MONDAY WITH PRIVATE LESSONS AND WE WERE RELEASING THEM IN TWO WEEK BLOCKS.

AND THE, UH, GROUP LESSONS ARE RESUMING MAY 17TH WITH A REGISTRATION STARTING THIS PAST MONDAY.

IS THERE STILL ROOM AVAILABLE OR, UH, FOR THE OLDER GROUP.

SO THE LEARN TO SWIM SIX AND UP THAT IS, UH, STILL OPEN THE L THE TINY TOTS THOUGH.

I DO KNOW AS FULL, UM, THE LAST I CHECKED AND THEN AGAIN, THE GROUP LESSONS FOR SUMMER START JUNE 1ST OR REGISTRATION JUNE 1ST AND THEN STARTING JUNE 21ST.

UH, WELL THAT'S ALL MY, HEY, THANKS FOR BEING INVOLVED FOR DOING THIS.

SUCH A TRAGEDY TO HEAR ABOUT A DREADED DEATH THAT YOUR COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY IS JUST DEVASTATED BY THESE KIND OF THINGS, AND IT'S EXTREMELY PREVENTABLE.

WE CAN SAVE SOME LIVES.

THAT'S THAT'S A GOOD THING.

OH, FRANK, BEFORE YOU LEAVE, YOU TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, UM, THE AWARDS THAT, UH, YOU'VE BEEN RACKING UP LATELY AWARDS REGARDING THE DOG PARK.

AH, YES.

SO THE NORTH MARSHALL DOG PARK, I THINK ACTUALLY HAS ME COULD SPEAK TO THAT A LOT BETTER THAN ME.

I WAS HER GROUP THAT, THAT APPLIED IT OUT OF HERE.

LET'S LET'S TALK, LET'S TALK TO SOMEBODY WHO CAN ACTUALLY ANSWER THE QUESTION.

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HI.

HI, GOOD AFTERNOON.

MARIANA PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR.

SO YES, SO VERY HAPPY TO REPORT THAT WE RECEIVED UP THE PROJECT OF THE YEAR AWARD FROM THE AMERICAN PUBLIC WORKS ASSOCIATION AND ALSO, UH, MAYBE A WEEK AND A HALF AGO.

UH, WE WERE NOTIFIED BY THE AMERICAN SOCIETY OF CIVIL ENGINEERS, SAN DIEGO SECTION, THAT THE PROJECT, THE NORTH MARSHALL, UH, PARK WAS AWARDED THE AWARD OF EXCELLENCE FOR COMMUNITY IMPROVEMENT PROJECT.

AND, UH, SO WE WERE HAPPY THIS MORNING.

WE RECEIVED, UH, OUR MAYOR GOT INTERVIEWED, UH, WE HAD A LITTLE VISIT BY K USI AND THIS PROJECT WAS POSSIBLE BY A GRANT WE RECEIVED FROM TORO FOUNDATION.

AND AS YOU KNOW, UM, THE TORAH ALCOHOL FACILITIES ARE ALMOST ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE, UM, MARSHALL PARK.

AND, UM, SO IT WASN'T A PARTNERSHIP WITH, UM, THE TORO FOUNDATION WITH, UM, UM, OR CORPSE OF SAN DIEGO AND, UH, AND CITY PUBLIC WORKS STAFF.

SO, AND WE HAVE, UM, OUR CITY ENGINEER, UH, WAS, UH, UH, HE WAS THE ONE WHO GOT US LOOK AROUND AND ALSO, UM, OUR ASSOCIATE ENGINEERS AND, AND KACI WAS INSTRUMENTAL IN GETTING THE CONSTRUCTION.

YES, JEFF, TAKE SOME, TAKE A BOW CITE, REALLY GREAT STUFF.

SO IT BARELY COSTS THE CITY ANYTHING, RIGHT? I MEAN, THAT IS CORRECT.

WE RECEIVED A GRANT FOR $40,000 FROM TARA FOUNDATION, AND THEN, UH, WE WERE ABLE TO MATCH, UH, WITH A MINIMAL AMOUNT THAN WHAT STOP WORK.

AND THESE AWARDS ARE THESE NATIONAL AWARDS FOR LOCAL.

ARE THAT THE WORDS, THE AWARDS THAT WE RECEIVED ARE LOCAL THERE, UM, SAN DIEGO, UM, SECTION FOUR FOR BOTH ORGANIZATIONS AND, UM, AND THE TORRES, UH, UM, AWARD OF THE FUNDING IS, UH, BY THEIR, UM, FOUNDATION.

WELL, PLEASE PASS ON OUR, THANKS TO THE TORO CORPORATION FOR THEIR INTEREST IN THIS AND FOR SUPPORTING WHAT YOU'VE DONE.

PLEASE PASS ON YOUR, THANKS TO ALL YOUR STAFF.

UH, THIS IS REALLY REFLECTIVE OF WHAT A GREAT STAFF WE HAVE HERE AT ALCOHOL.

ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS OR, HEY, THANKS.

GREAT JOB.

THANKS FOR COMING IN AND APPRECIATE THAT.

YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE GREAT THINGS ABOUT THIS DOG PARK, YOU CAN KEEP YOU UP THERE, UH, IS THAT IS RIGHT NEXT TO THE ANIMAL SHELTER.

SO PEOPLE THAT W W BEAT A DOG THAT THEY THINK THEY MIGHT WANT TO TAKE HOME, COULD GO OVER TO THE DOG PARK, TAKE THE DOG OFF THE LEASH, LET THEM RUN AROUND WITH A FAMILY A LITTLE BIT AND GET A GOOD SENSE OF HOW THE DOGS GOING TO FIT IN.

AND I THINK THAT'S JUST OUR REALLY COOL.

I APPRECIATE THAT.

ITEMS CONSENT AS A ROUTINE MATTERS AND ACTED BY ONE MOTION.

AGENDA, CHANGE OF STAFF.

DO YOU HAVE ANY AGENDA TRADERS? UH, MR. MAYOR, NO CHANGES TO THE AGENDA.

[7. CONSENT ITEMS: Consent Items are routine matters enacted by one motion according to the RECOMMENDATION listed below. With the concurrence of the City Council, a Council Member or person in attendance may request discussion of a Consent Item at this time.]

ACCORDING TO THE RECOGNITION OF THIS BELOW WITH THE CONCURRENCE OF THE CITY COUNCIL, A COUNCIL MEMBER, OR PERSON AT THE TENANTS MAY REQUEST DISCUSSION OF A CONSENT ITEM AT THIS TIME, COUNCIL MEMBERS, DO YOU WISH TO PULL ANY CONSENT ITEMS? UM, I ACTUALLY WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THE AMR CONTRACT, WHICH I THINK IS CONCETTA ITEM SIX, BUT BEFORE I GO THERE, UH, STAFF, DO YOU WISH TO PLEA CONSENT ITEMS? NO, SIR.

SO MY QUESTION ABOUT AMR, I'M SURE YOU YOU'VE THOUGHT ALL THIS THROUGH.

UM, SINCE WE'VE MOVED TO AMR FROM OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT, HAVE WE LOST WHAT'S REVENUE AT THE BELLY AND, YOU KNOW, IS THIS A FISCALLY GOOD IDEA TO KEEP, UH, CONTRACTING THIS OUT THE SERVICE MR. MARIANO ALLOW OUR, OUR FIRE CHIEF, STEVE SWEENEY TO RESPOND? DID THAT ACHIEVE GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

WELCOME.

SO I BELIEVE THE QUESTION WAS, IS IT COST EFFECTIVE TO CONTRACT OUT WITH AMR VERSUS PROVIDE THE SERVICE OURSELVES? YEAH.

IN LIGHT I'D LIKE, JUST GET SOME KIND OF A LIGHT OF THE BILLING SITUATION, HOW MUCH WE'VE LOST BY A LOT, OR HOW MUCH WE'VE GAINED.

WE'RE PUTTING OUT ABOUT $11.7 MILLION A YEAR IN BILLABLES AND ONLY GETTING ABOUT THREE AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS BACK.

SO THERE HAS BEEN NO LOSS.

UM, WHEN WE WERE RUNNING THE AMBULANCE SERVICE IN 2016 IS WHEN WE WENT TO AMR, WE WERE RUNNING, UM, ESSENTIALLY THREE FULL-TIME, 24 HOUR PARAMEDIC UNITS.

AND WE WERE AT THE POINT WHERE WE NEEDED TO ADD MORE RESOURCES.

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SO, UM, IT WAS NOT A PROFITABLE, UM, ENDEAVOR.

SO IT, UH, BECAUSE OF THE PAYER MIX IN THE CITY OF OKLAHOMA, WITH A LOT OF THE CONVALESCENT FACILITIES, A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE ON MEDICARE, A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE ON MEDI-CAL, UM, IN, IN THAT TYPE OF INSURANCE BASE, THEY HAVE CAPS ON WHAT THEY'LL PAY FOR SERVICES.

SO TRUE BECAUSE OF OUR PAYER MIX, WE WERE KIND OF HANDICAPPED, EVEN IF WE DID RAISE OUR RATES, IT WOULDN'T MAKE ANY, IT WOULDN'T MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE.

SO, UM, THE AMR RIGHT NOW HAS FIVE UNITS IN THE CITY THAT THEY'RE OPERATING, UM, THREE FULL-TIME, 24 HOUR PARAMEDIC UNITS, AND TWO 12 HOUR PARAMEDIC UNITS.

UM, SO THEY'VE ACTUALLY INCREASED THE AMOUNT OF SERVICES AVAILABLE TO THE CITIZENS.

AND, UM, IT'S CHEAPER FOR THEM TO PROVIDE SERVICE BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT PAYING A FIREFIGHTER PARAMEDIC WAGE, AND THEY'RE NOT PAYING CALPERS AT A PUBLIC SAFETY RATE.

UM, SO OVERALL, UM, IT WAS A VERY EXPENSIVE SYSTEM FOR THE CITY TO, TO KEEP TRYING TO ADD ADDITIONAL RESOURCES, TO KEEP UP WITH THE DEMAND.

OKAY, WELL THAT ANSWERS THE QUESTION.

I ONLY ASK IF ANYBODY ELSE HAS QUESTIONS, STEVE.

I THINK I SAW SOMEONE IN THE STAFF REPORT.

THE CITY ACTUALLY RECEIVES SOME INCOME FROM AMR AS I'LL CALL IT SPACE RENT FOR THE AMBULANCES.

IS THAT CORRECT? THERE'S A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT WAYS THAT WE GET SOME INCOME FROM AMR ONE.

UH, WE LEASE SPACE IN THE FIRE STATIONS TO THEM, UH, FOR THEIR CRUISE QUARTERS.

THEY'RE, CO-MINGLED WITH OUR, UH, WITHIN OUR FIRE STATIONS.

SO THEY PAY A MONTHLY LEASE AND I BELIEVE IT'S, WE GET SOMEWHERE AROUND 120,000, $125,000 A YEAR IN LEASE PAYMENTS.

AND THEN WE ALSO GET A RECEIVE WHAT THEY CALL PASS THROUGH FEES.

UM, SO WE HAVE A RESPONSE, UH, CRITERIA FOR THEM TO BE ON SCENE WITHIN A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME.

AND THE WAY THAT THEY BUY EXTRA MINUTES IS WE HAVE PARAMEDICS ON OUR FIRE ENGINES.

AND SO WE'RE ABLE TO PROVIDE ADVANCED LIFE SUPPORT ON OUR ENGINES, AND THEY'RE THERE A LOT QUICKER, SO THEY CAN TAKE A WHILE LONGER TO GET THERE.

SO WHAT THEY DO IS THEY TRY TO COMPENSATE US FOR THE COST OF THAT, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN JUST A REGULAR FIREFIGHTER EMT AND A FIREFIGHTER PARAMEDIC.

SO JUST THAT DIFFERENCE BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, BECOMING A PARAMEDIC AS THEY TRY TO COMPENSATE FOR NOT ONLY THE WAGES, BUT ALSO FOR THE EQUIPMENT THAT IT TAKES TO PROVIDE THAT SERVICE.

SO THERE'S ABOUT, UH, CLOSE TO HALF A MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR THAT COMES INTO THE CITY FOR THAT.

AND THEN THE CITY DOES HAVE A DOOR TAX THAT IS, UH, IS, UH, THOSE TOWARDS THE ALS OR THE PARAMEDIC PROGRAM.

WE GET ABOUT $380,000 FOR THAT.

SO WE'RE ACTUALLY GETTING REVENUE IN AND BEING ABLE TO KEEP IT VERSUS SUBSIDIZING AN AMBULANCE SERVICE.

THAT IS VERY EXPENSIVE.

GO AHEAD.

I'VE GOT A QUESTION FOR THE CITY MANAGER AND YOU CAN DECIDE WHETHER YOU ANSWER OR YOU DEFER.

I NOTICED IN A CONTRACT, UH, TWO THINGS, NUMBER ONE, UH, WE TALKED ABOUT THERE PERHAPS A CLERICAL ERROR IN THE START DATE IN ATTACHMENT A FROM MAY 1ST TO MAKE IT MAY 11TH.

SO IT STARTS THE DAY AFTER THE EXISTING CONTRACT WHERE WE'RE OKAY.

THERE.

MY QUESTION, A SECOND QUESTION.

UH, I JUST FORGOT.

SO WHAT IT WAS ABOUT, UH, WHERE YOU WERE JUST TERMINATION.

OH, UH, THE CONTRACT DETERMINATION.

AH, JUST AWAY FROM BUDDY CONTRACT FOR A SECOND.

UH, THE CURRENT OR THE PROPOSED CONTRACT TALKS ABOUT EITHER PARTY CAN TERMINATE ON 30 DAYS NOTICE, WHICH IS PRETTY FAST.

UH, DO WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO, UH, REACT WITHIN 30 DAYS IF AMR SAYS FOR WHATEVER REASON WE'RE OUT AND WITH THE PUBLIC SERVICE BE INTERRUPTED.

SO ALL THE, ALL OF THE CHEAP ANSWER TO THAT, BUT THE ONE NICE THING BEFORE HE DOES, UM, THIS AGREEMENT IS TIED IN WITH THE GROSSMONT HEALTHCARE, UH, DISTRICTS CONTRACT AS WELL.

SO THIS IS, WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF PROTECTION IN THAT THIS IS A CONTRACT THAT'S TIED IN WITH A CONTRACT THAT SUPPORTS THE ENTIRE REGION.

NOW THAT DOES GET TO THE POINT, WHAT IF AMR JUST SAYS, WE'RE LEAVING THE ENTIRE REGION? SO THE ANSWER, THE QUESTION IS, CAN WE REACT TO THAT? SO I'LL, I'LL TURN THAT PART OVER THE CHIEF.

SO JUST, JUST TO BE PAINFULLY HONEST, THAT WAS A MISTAKE.

UM, AND I, I SUBMITTED A NEW CONTRACT.

UM, SO THE START DATE IS IN ALIGN WITH, WITH OUR CONTRACT THAT IS EXPIRING.

AND THEN THE TERMINATION TERMS ARE, THE CITY CAN TERMINATE WITHOUT CAUSE WITH 120 TO 120 DAY NOTICE TO THEM.

AND IF THEY'RE GOING TO TERMINATE WITHOUT, CAUSE THEY HAVE TO GIVE US A 365 DAY NOTICE.

SO THAT WAS, UH, THERE WAS AMR SWITCHED TO GLOBAL MEDICAL RESPONSE.

AND SO THEIR LEGAL IS KIND OF SWITCHED RIGHT NOW.

UM, AND SO SOME OF THE LEASE TERMS GOT INCLUDED INTO THE, UM, SERVICE PROVIDER TERMS, UM, AND SO THAT WE HAVE, UH, REDONE THAT CONTRACT AND IT'S A, IT'S BEEN ALREADY, ALREADY BEEN CORRECTED.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

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HOW DOES THIS AFFECT THE WIFE OF THE FIREFIGHTER? HOW DOES IT AFFECT THE LIFE OF THE FIREFIGHTER? YOU KNOW, I REMEMBER WHERE WE ORIGINALLY SWITCHED OVER TO AMR. ONE OF THE CONCERNS WAS THAT THE FIREFIGHTERS WERE BEING RUN RAGGED AND WE NEEDED TO EASE OFF THAT PRESSURE VALVE A LITTLE BIT HAS THAT HAVE WE ACHIEVED WHAT WE WANTED TO ACHIEVE WITH THAT? IT'S A WORK IN PROGRESS.

WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE STARTING TO DO NOW IS BECAUSE ONE OF THE BENEFITS OF, OF THE PANDEMIC IS, IS THAT THE COUNTY HAS RELEASED SOME OF ITS, UH, AUTHORITY AND HAS LIGHTENED UP.

SOME OF OUR RESPONSE CRITERIA IS SO WE'VE TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF WHAT THEY CALL THE POLICY THAT DICTATES WHAT FIRST RESPONDERS HAVE TO DO AND HOW THEY HAVE TO RESPOND.

SO WE HAVE A CALL TRIAGING SYSTEM, EMERGENCY MEDICAL DISPATCH SYSTEM THAT TAKES THE LOWEST LEVEL OF CALL.

SO YOU HAVE A CUT FINGER WHERE YOU REALLY DON'T NEED TO HAVE A FIRE ENGINE AND A PARAMEDIC AMBULANCE SHOW UP.

YOU COULD, YOU COULD BE FINE JUST GOING IN A CAR, BUT SAY, YOU DON'T HAVE TRANSPORTATION.

YOU NEED AN AMBULANCE TO TAKE YOU THERE.

WE'RE NOT EVEN SENDING A PARAMEDIC AMBULANCE.

NOW WE'RE NOT SENDING A FIRE ENGINE.

NOW WE'RE SIMPLY SENDING AN EMERGENCY MEDICAL OR A BASIC LIFE SUPPORT.

SO OUR, OUR FOLKS AREN'T EVEN RESPONDING TO THAT.

SO WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO CUT OUR CALL VOLUME ABOUT 15%, JUST TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THAT AND SENDING, UM, THE APPROPRIATE PART OF THIS NEW AMR CONTRACT COMES WITH STUDYING, GETTING A MEDICAL DIRECTOR AND ALSO A NURSE CALL CENTER.

SO THESE CALLS THAT COME IN, MAYBE FROM THE CONVALESCENT FACILITIES, OR MAYBE FROM A PRIVATE RESIDENTS THAT AREN'T LIFE-THREATENING, THEY'LL GET SHIPPED TO A NURSE CALL CENTER IN THE NURSE CALL CENTER, THEY'LL TRIAGE THE CALL AND SEND THE MOST APPROPRIATE RESOURCE COULD BE A LIFT.

IT COULD BE MAKING A DOCTOR'S APPOINTMENT.

IT COULD BE A BLS AMBULANCE, OR THEY COULD FIND OUT, NO, THEY NEED THE FULL BOAT AND SEND AN ENGINE IN A, IN AN AMBULANCE.

SO I'VE BEEN IN THE BUSINESS ABOUT 40 YEARS AND WE JUST CONTINUE TO DO THE SAME THING, NO MATTER WHAT, OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

SO ONE OF MY GOALS IS, IS TO RIGHTSIZE IT AND CHANGE IT SO THAT IT MAKES SENSE.

AND SO THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE'RE WORKING FOR.

AND AMR IS A GREAT PARTNER FOR US.

THE NURSE CALL CENTER.

IS THAT JUST A HEART LOADER? IS THAT COUNTY-WIDE? NO, THAT'S JUST US DOING THAT.

WOW.

THAT'S A GREAT, THAT'S VERY INNOVATIVE.

SO THANK YOU.

WE WERE TRYING TO, WE'RE TRYING TO DO, UH, TO ALIGN OURSELVES THE STATE DICTATES WHAT WE CAN DO, OUR LICENSES AND WHAT WE CAN'T DO.

UM, SO IT'S, IT'S KIND OF A BATTLE WITH THE STATE MEDICAL DIRECTOR AND, AND WITH PARTNERING WITH AMR, WE CAN HAVE OUR OWN MEDICAL DIRECTOR AND WE CAN OPERATE UNDER THEIR LICENSE OF AUTHORITY A LOT MORE FREELY.

UM, AND THE MEDICAL DIRECTOR FOR AMR IS THE SAME ONE THAT WROTE THE KAISER TRIAGE PROGRAM.

SO YOU HAVE SOME CREDIBILITY BEHIND, HAVE YOU LIKED THAT KAISER PROGRAM? I'M SORRY.

YOU LIKE THAT KAISER PROGRAM? YEAH.

IT'S IT'S, IT'S, IT HAS A VERY, UH, IT'S VERY EFFECTIVE AND HAS A VERY, VERY LOW ERROR RATE.

SORRY YOU GOT GRILLED, BUT THANK YOU.

IT'S OKAY.

WELL, YOU'RE NOT DONE YET.

HI, SORRY.

REAL QUICK.

SINCE YOU'VE BEEN IN THE INDUSTRY FOR A REALLY LONG TIME, WHAT HAPPENED TO THE, WAS IT, IS IT MORE COST-EFFECTIVE NOW THAN IT WAS LIKE, SAY IN THE EIGHTIES WHEN EVERYBODY WOULD, WE WOULD BED, A CALL WOULD COME IN, UH, YOU'VE GOT HEART SINS, YOU'VE GOT SHAPERS AND YOU KNOW, OKAY.

WE CAN BE THERE IN FIVE MINUTES AND WE HAVE A CREW OUT THERE.

IS IT MORE COST-EFFECTIVE TO HAVE AN IN-HOUSE AMBULANCE THAN IT IS TO GO OUT WITH WHATEVER COMPANY IS AVAILABLE? SO THE COUNTY, IN ORDER TO PREVENT THIS KIND OF THE SAME THING THAT HAPPENED WITH, WITH, UH, TOW TRUCKS AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND PEOPLE KIND OF, YOU KNOW, SHOPPING CALLS AND TRYING TO STEAL CALLS FROM EACH OTHER, THERE'S ACTUALLY EXCLUSIVE OPERATING AREAS WITHIN THE COUNTY.

OKLAHOMA IS ONE OF THE FEW CITIES THAT ACTUALLY OWNS ITS TWO OH ONE RIGHTS THAT SAYS WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO DECIDE WHO'S GOING TO RUN ALS OR NINE ONE, ONE CALLS.

WE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO REGULATE THE BASIC LIFE SUPPORT.

SO A LOT OF THE COMPANIES LIKE MAX CARE AND THAT TYPE OF THING, THEY CAN COME AND RUN CALLS IN THE CITY, AS LONG AS IT'S NOT AN EMERGENCY NINE 11 CALL.

SO THEY BASICALLY SAID IN YOUR AREA, IF YOU HAVE THAT RIGHT, YOU CAN DICTATE WHO RUNS YOUR NINE 11 CALLS FOR YOU.

I USED TO BE AN EMT BACK IN THE EIGHTIES.

AND SO WE WOULD BID FOR THOSE CALLS.

I DIDN'T KNOW YOUR EMT.

THAT'S GREAT.

UH, ABOUT THE BELABOR, THIS, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR COUNCIL.

I DIDN'T THINK ABOUT THIS UNTIL WE GOT UP HERE.

UM, IT'S A MINOR THING, BUT MY SON IS A PARAMEDIC FOR AMR. SHOULD I RECUSE MYSELF ON THIS? WELL, YOUR SON IS DEPENDENT.

HE'S NOT INDEPENDENT OF YOU.

HE'S NOT PROVIDING PAYMENT TO YOU.

UH, AND HOW, HOW OLD IS HE OVER 18 YEARS OF AGE? YEAH.

HE'S 23.

DOESN'T LIVE WITH YOU OR ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE DOES LIVE WITH US.

LIVE WITH YOU.

HE STILL HAS AN INDEPENDENT, UH, ADULT.

UH,

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YOU YOU'RE WELCOME TO CONTINUE TO PARTICIPATE.

ALL RIGHT THEN, UM, IF THERE'S NOWHERE TO DISCUSSION, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT NOTICE.

PLEASE VOTE.

AND FOR THE RECORD, SIR, WE RECEIVED NO COMMENTS FOR CONSENT ITEMS AND MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.

THAT BRINGS US

[ PUBLIC COMMENT: At this time, any person may address a matter within the jurisdiction of the City Council/Housing Authority/Successor Agency to the El Cajon Redevelopment Agency that is not on the Agenda. Comments relating to items on today’s docket are to be taken at the time the item is heard. State law prohibits discussion or action on items not on the Agenda; however, Council, Authority and Agency Members may briefly respond to statements or questions. An item may be placed on a future Agenda.]

TO PUBLIC COMMENT.

AT THIS TIME, ANY PERSON WILL BE ADDRESSED A MATTER WITHIN THE JURISDICTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL, HOUSING AUTHORITY, SUCCESSOR AGENCY, TO THE ALCOHOL TO REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY.

THAT IS NOT ALL THE AGENDA.

EXCUSE ME.

COVID SUEDES OUT ITEMS ON TODAY'S AGENDA ALREADY BE TAKEN AT THE TIME THAT THE ITEM IS HEARD, STATE LAW PROHIBITS DISCUSSION OR ACTION, ALL ITEMS, NOT ON THE AGENDA.

HOWEVER, CITY COUNCIL OF HOUSING AUTHORITY, BEVERAGE, THEY BRIEFLY RESPOND TO STATEMENTS OR QUESTIONS AND I'D BE REPLACED ON A FUTURE AGENDA.

ANDREW RECEIVED ANY COMMENTS FOR PUBLIC HEALTH? YES, SIR.

WE RECEIVED, UH, 11, 11 COMMENTS, NINE IN PERSON AND TWO ONLINE.

SO WITH YOUR PERMISSION, I'LL CALL THEM PEOPLE WHO ARE PRESENT AT THE CHAMBER FIRST.

UM, THE FIRST PERSON IS WITH DODD .

HI, WELCOME.

HI, HOW ARE YOU DOING? GOOD.

WILL YOU PULL THAT DOWN SO WE CAN HEAR YOU WITH A MICROPHONE? YEAH, YOU CAN PUT IT BACK SO YOU CAN PULL IT DOWN.

HOW ABOUT NOW? BETTER.

WELL, NICE TO SEE EVERYBODY AND THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TODAY.

MY NAME IS .

I'M AN AMERICAN FROM IRAQ.

I HAVE BEEN HERE FOR 40 YEARS, RETIRED ELECTRONICS ENGINEER FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF THE NAVY.

I AM AN ELECTED ASSEMBLY DISTRICT, DEMOCRATIC DELEGATE VICE-PRESIDENT OF THE AMERICAN ARAB ANTI-DISCRIMINATION COMMITTEE, AS WELL AS A BOARD MEMBER AND THE ACL YOU AMERICAN CIVIL LIBERTIES UNION AS AN ARAB AMERICAN, THE CENSUS DOES NOT PROVIDE ARABS MIDDLE EASTERN AND NORTH AFRICANS WITH A WAY TO TRULY BE COUNTED.

WE HAVE BEEN A PART OF THE FABRIC OF THIS COUNTRY FOR GENERATIONS.

ADDITIONALLY, THE MAJORITY OF ARAB REFUGEES AND IMMIGRANT COMMUNITIES HAVE RESETTLED IN ALCOHOL IN THE PAST 10 YEARS AND WERE NOT INCLUDED IN THE 2020 CENSUS.

IT IS AS IF WE DON'T EXIST AS A DISTINCT GROUP WITH PARTICULAR NEEDS, ESPECIALLY IN THE AREA OF HEALTH I ASK YOU, DO WE EXIST IN THE WAY YOU COUNT US? THE COMMUNITY WANTS TO PROVIDE INPUT ON HOW YOU DRAW THE NEW MAPS.

PEOPLE HAVE MOVED IN AND OUT OF ALCOHOL AND OUR COMMUNITIES HAVE CHANGED.

WE WANT TO TELL YOU ABOUT THAT SO THAT YOU CAN DRAW MAPS THAT ENSURE PEOPLE GET FAIR REPRESENTATIONS AND SHOW US AS A COMMUNITY UNDIVIDED, WHERE WE WORK, WHERE WE LIVE AND WHERE WE GO TO SCHOOL AND COME HOME.

RESIDENTS ARE EXCITED TO BE PART OF THIS HISTORIC PROCESS THAT WILL SHAPE OUR DEMOCRACY FOR THE NEXT 10 YEARS.

WE URGE YOU TO INCLUDE REDISTRICTING PLANNING AND YOU'RE ON YOUR UPCOMING CITY COUNCIL MEETING AGENDA SO THAT YOU CAN PROVIDE UPDATES ON THE PLANNING PROCESS TO THE CITY RESIDENTS.

AND WE ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS.

YEP.

JUST SO YOU KNOW, UH, THE, THE CITY IS THAT AGREEMENT WITH YOU THAT, THAT WE WOULD THINK THAT THE CENSUS SHOULD UPDATED TO INCLUDE, UH, MIDDLE EASTERN AMERICANS AS THEIR OWN THEIR OWN GROUP.

AND I THINK IT WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL TO US.

UH, WE'VE PETITIONED, UH, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, UNFORTUNATELY, IT'S THE FEDERAL GROWER THAT HAS TO MAKE THAT DECISION.

SO, UH, WE, WE AGREE WITH YOU.

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THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

WE HAVE NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT.

WE JUST WANT IT'S, UH, AN ELEMENT OF TIME.

I THINK IT WILL EVENTUALLY COME AROUND.

AND WE CAN WORK TOGETHER.

WE CAN WORK WITH THE CITY MANAGER, LIKE WE HAVE DONE A FEW YEARS AGO.

I ALSO, ON THIS NOTE, WE'D LIKE TO INVITE ALL OF YOU TO THE 10TH ANNIVERSARY OF THE SAN DIEGO ARAB FILM FESTIVAL, STARTING JUNE 5TH AT BALBOA PARK, THEN THE MUSEUM OF PHOTOGRAPHIC ART.

SO YOU WILL ENJOY IT AND YOU GET TO LEARN ABOUT OUR CULTURE AND ANOTHER NEGATIVE TO DISCUSS OUR HISTORY.

THANK YOU AGAIN.

I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.

YOU INVITE US ANY, ANY QUESTIONS.

NEXT SPEAKER, DANIEL BICKFORD.

I WANT TO THANK ALL OF OUR MIDDLE EASTERN FRIENDS THAT HAVE REALLY PLAYED A BIG PART IN REVITALIZING, DOWNTOWN OKLAHOMA.

AND I'VE GOT A LOT OF FRIENDS THAT OWN RESTAURANTS AND SMALL SHOPS FROM THE MIDDLE EAST.

AND I TELL YA, A LOT OF TIMES THEY'RE WORKING SEVEN DAYS A WEEK, 12 HOURS A DAY, AND PROVIDING LOTS OF JOBS IN THE CITY.

AND THEY'VE REALLY BROUGHT AN ENTREPRENEURIAL SPIRIT TO OUR CITY.

SO I THINK THAT'S JUST FANTASTIC KENDRICK.

AND I LIKE YOUR FOOD.

I LOVE MY FOOD AND I LOVE AMERICAN FOOD BECAUSE IT'S A DIVERSE, UM, PRESIDENT BIDEN ON APRIL 19TH, DECLARED APRIL AS ARAB AMERICAN HERITAGE MONTHS, AS WELL AS THE STATE DEPARTMENT, THE CITY OF SAN DIEGO, THE NINE DISTRICT COUNCIL MEMBERS, AND THAT, UH, MAYOR GAVE US A CEREMONIAL DECLARATION PROCLAIMING, UH, APRIL AS A ARAB AMERICAN HERITAGE MONTHS.

SO THANK YOU.

WELL, MR. BICKFORD WELCOME.

IT'S GOOD TO BE HERE.

WE'LL BE ABLE TO FREE UP 40 ADDITIONAL ROOMS FOR 40 FAMILIES THAT ARE OUT THERE IN NEED OF HELP RIGHT NOW.

I DIDN'T WANT TO, UH, CALL OUT, UH, ITEM FOUR, UM, OFF THE CONSENT CALENDAR, BUT I DO HAVE, UH, HAVE TO JUST THANK YOU GUYS FOR YOUR SUPPORT OF THE HEARTLAND FIRE TRAINING FACILITY AS A VOLUNTEER FOR EAST COUNTY CERT.

I'VE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO TRAIN THERE AND HAVE YOU HAD A REALLY GOOD TIME THERE? UH I'M I'M AND I'M HERE TO THANK YOU GUYS FOR YOUR CONTINUING LEADERSHIP, UH, THROUGH THE COVID PANDEMIC, YOUR LEADERSHIP AND SUPPORT OF THE COMMON SENSE BUSINESS PRACTICES OVER UNREALISTIC COUNTY RESTRICTIONS BASED ON A TYRANNICAL STATE MANDATE, UH, HELPED OUR ELK OWNED BUSINESSES WITH REVENUES WITHOUT A SIGNIFICANT RISE IN LOCAL COVID RATES.

I'M VERY HAPPY THAT YOU'RE GETTING BACK TO THE BUSINESS OF BEING PREPARED FOR THE GREAT EVENTS THAT MAKE ALGONA A FUN PLACE TO LIVE, WORK AND PLAY.

THANK YOU, COUNCIL AND STAFF, MOSTLY STAFF FOR YOUR CONTINUED WORK ON THESE ITEMS. UH, YOU GUYS COME IN HERE TWICE A WEEK AND OR TWICE A MONTH AND, UH, TAKE ALL THE CREDIT FOR THE, FOR THE STUFF THAT STAFF DOES.

THANK YOU, STAFF FOR EVERYTHING YOU DID.

THANKS MR. RICHARD, I THINK IVAN.

UH, IT'S BEEN AWHILE SINCE WE'VE BEEN HERE TO SPEAK IN PERSON AND I JUST WANTED TO COME ON DOWN.

UM, HAROLD COULD MAKE IT, UM, I'M WITH EAST COUNTY TRANSITIONAL LIVING CENTER, IVAN DIRECTOR OF OPERATIONS.

SO I JUST WANTED TO COME DOWN AND SAY, THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING THAT YOU DO, UH, FOR, FOR US IN THE CITY AND ADDRESSING THE HOMELESS PROBLEM AS WELL AND COMING TOGETHER AND BEING GREAT PARTNERS WITH THAT.

UM, I JUST WANTED TO THROW SOME QUICK NUMBERS YEAR TO DATE NUMBERS OUT.

YAH.

IT JUST SO HAPPENED.

I DIDN'T REALIZE TODAY WAS THE SECOND READING OF CDBG.

IT'S NORMALLY ON MY CALENDAR, BUT SINCE YOU'RE DOING SOME OF THESE VIA ZOOM, I MISSED IT, BUT YOU KNOW, I'M HERE.

SO YEAR TWO DAY TWO, WE HAVE ABOUT 598 MEN, WOMEN AND CHILDREN THAT HAVE COME THROUGH THE VARIOUS PROGRAMS AT EAST CTLC.

UM, WE JUST FINISHED OUR, UH, FOUNDATION WORK FOR THE TWO NEW BUILDINGS.

SOME OF YOU WERE ABLE TO BE THERE.

THANK YOU FOR BEING THERE.

UM, WE LOOK FORWARD FOR THE REST OF THE PROJECT TO TAKE PLACE.

WE'RE LOOKING AT MAY END OF MAY, EARLY JUNE.

YOU'LL ALL BE RECEIVING INVITATIONS TO THAT EVENT.

AND WITH THAT,

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SO AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING THAT YOU DO IN COOPERATION WITH ECE TLC AND ADDRESSING THE HOMELESS ISSUES IN EAST COUNTY AS A WHOLE, AND ESPECIALLY HERE IN OKLAHOMA.

UM, ANY NEW TRENDS THAT ARE GOING ON WE'RE, WE'RE S WE'RE REALLY BRACING FOR WHEN THE COURTS OPEN UP ANY EVICTIONS START BEING PROCESSED, WE FORESEE A GREAT NEED AND THERE'S GOING TO BE A FLOOD OF FAMILIES COMING IN, BUT WE'RE PREPARED FOR IT.

WE'VE WE FORESEE IT.

AND AGAIN, TOGETHER WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT THESE FAMILIES RECEIVE THE HELP THAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR.

AND IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS.

OH, THANK YOU FOR COMING.

I'VE BEEN, UH, ECE TLC IS BEEN ON MY STAR LIST ARE ABOUT 17 YEARS NOW SINCE EUROPE'S, UH, INCEPTION.

HOW MANY CHILDREN DO YOU HAVE THERE RIGHT NOW? ROUGHLY 160 KIDS AND ROMAN THE CAMPUS RIGHT NOW.

AND WE FIGURED THAT'S ALMOST GOING TO DOUBLE WITH THE ADDITIONAL 40 FAMILIES THEY'RE GOING TO BE COMING IN.

AS YOU KNOW, I HAVE THREE OF YOUR GRADUATES LIVING AT MY HOUSE RIGHT NOW, AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE EVERYBODY TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

WE, WE ALL PLAY A PART IN THIS AND THEY WORKED OUT REALLY WELL.

UH, THE ONLY CLINT CLAMP PROBLEM I HAVE IS SOMETIMES THEY PUT THE DISHWARE IN THE WRONG SPOT, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, THEY'VE WORKED OUT REALLY GREAT.

SO THANK YOU, UH, FOR WHAT YOU DO.

I HAVEN'T, UH, I THINK IT WAS LAST WEEK, YOU INVITED THE ALCOHOL POLICE DEPARTMENT TO COME PLAY BASKETBALL WITH THE KIDS.

THAT WAS KIND OF FUN.

I THINK YOU LIVE STREAM THAT I THANK YOU FOR INVITING THEM TO YOUR PROPERTY, TO HAVE THIS KIND OF INTERACTION, THIS POSITIVE INTERACTION, THE KIDS SHOT BETTER THAN THE COPS DID.

SO THEY'VE GOT SOME WORK TO DO TO CATCH UP.

THEY HAD A LOT OF GEAR ON, I GIVE THEM PROPS.

IT WAS A HOT DAY.

THEY HAD FULL GEAR.

AND, UH, I THINK THEY'RE LOOKING AT HAVING THAT BE NOT A REGULAR EVENT OR AT LEAST A QUARTERLY EVENT.

I JUST THINK IT'S A GREAT, UH, EXAMPLE OF, OF, OF INTERACTION IN THE COMMUNITY IN A POSITIVE WAY.

SO THANK YOU FOR INVITING THEM ONTO THE PROPERTY.

IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN AGAIN.

THAT'S THAT'S, THAT'S GREAT.

CAUSE THERE'S SO MUCH, UH, I DON'T KNOW, ANIMOSITY TOWARDS POLICE DEPARTMENTS AT OTHER CITIES RIGHT NOW.

AND I THINK WE NEED TO SHOW THAT POLICE OFFICERS ARE GOOD FOLKS THAT WILL HELP PEOPLE.

WELL, IT ALL STARTED WITH, THERE WAS A CALL OUT AND THEY WERE A COUPLE OFFICERS WERE STANDING AROUND AND PICKED UP A BASKETBALL, STARTED SHOOTING HOOPS WITH HIM AND IT'S JUST BLOSSOMED FROM THEM.

SO, UH, ECP PD TOOK THE FIRST STEPS OF REACHING OUT AND THE KIDS RESPONDED TO IT AND WE'RE GOING TO MAKE IT A REGULAR THING.

I, I NEVER, I NEVER MENTIONED THAT I LIVE AT GRANITE HILLS.

WE HAVE A BASKETBALL HOOP IN MY FRONT YARD AND MY GRANDKIDS WERE OUT THERE PLAY AND I COME OUT ONE AFTERNOON AND THERE'S TWO POLICE OFFICERS PLAY WITH MY GRANDKIDS, PLAY, PLAY BASKETBALL WITH THEM AND THEY DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS MY HOUSE.

THEY WERE A LITTLE NERVOUS, THE GUYS OR GIRLS, BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, THAT KIND OF COMMUNITY POLICING IS VALUABLE.

THAT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, MY GRANDKIDS NOW ARE GOING TO SEE POLICE OFFICERS AS THEIR FRIENDS FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIVES.

I HOPE SO.

ANYWAY, THANKS VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU, PHIL.

I, HAVEN'T GOOD TO SEE YOU IN PERSON.

UM, LIKE THE REST OF THE COUNCIL, YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN ALL STARS OVER AT UC TLC AND REALLY TAKING THE LEAD IN SAN DIEGO WITH HELPING OUT OUR HOMELESS AND HOMELESS FAMILIES.

AND YOU JUST LAUNCHED YOUR, UH, TEEN CENTER A COUPLE MONTHS AGO.

HOW'S THAT WORKING OUT? ARE THE KIDS LIKING IT? IS IT THE REVOLVING DOOR? THEY WANT US TO OPEN THAT THING UP 24 SEVEN.

UH, AND OF COURSE WE CAN'T DO THAT.

WE'RE LOOKING AT BRINGING ON ADDITIONAL STAFF TO HELP WITH THAT.

WE'RE LOOKING FOR VOLUNTEERS.

SO IF ANYBODY'S INTERESTED IN COMING DOWN AND VOLUNTEERS WITH THE TEENS, ONCE RESTRICTIONS ARE LIFTED, WE WANT TO OPEN THAT UP TO SOME OF THE KIDS THAT MAY BE LIVING IN THE MOTELS IN THE AREA.

SO THEY CAN COME IN AS WELL AND PARTICIPATE.

IT'S LIKE A MINI REC CENTER.

YOU KNOW THAT OFTENTIMES I GET LOCAL CHURCHES COMING TO ME AND SAY, WHAT CAN WE DO TO HELP? THAT WOULD BE A GREAT THING TO DO.

UM, REALLY APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TODAY.

SHE'D GIVE ME A CALL.

WELL COURT IT'S PERFECT.

AND BEING AN EX PARKS AND RECREATION PERSON MYSELF, YOU KNOW, KUDOS TO THE PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT.

HELLO.

ALSO PARKS AND REC MORE QUESTIONS.

COUNCIL MEMBERS AND STAFF,

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MY NAME IS JENNY AND ERICA, AND I'M A COMMUNITY ORGANIZER AT THE PARTNERSHIP FOR ADVANCEMENT OF NEW AMERICANS AND A MEMBER OF THE EAST COUNTY JUSTICE COALITION.

IF YOU HAD A CHANCE TO READ THROUGH THE LETTER SENT YESTERDAY, YOU CAN SEE THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF PARTNER ORGANIZATIONS AND COMMUNITY MEMBERS EXCITED ABOUT THIS REDISTRICTING PROCESS AND STRIVE FOR A REPRESENTATIVE DEMOCRACY THAT REFLECTS THE RICH, ETHNIC, RACIAL, ECONOMIC, AND POLITICAL DIVERSITY OF THE CITY OF ALCOHOL.

AS MENTIONED IN OUR LETTER, THE CITY SHOULD BEGIN SECURING A CONSULTANT NOW, AND THE CITY SHOULD CONDUCT A TRANSPARENT BIDDING PROCESS, INCLUDING PUBLIC POSTING OF REQUESTS FOR BIDS AND PROPOSALS SUBMITTED PUBLIC PRESENTATIONS FROM PERSPECTIVE CONSULTANTS AND PUBLIC DISCUSSION AND DECISION ABOUT THE AWARDING OF THE CONTRACT AND THE OPPORTUNITY FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.

ALTHOUGH THE CENSUS BUREAU IS RELEASING A LEGACY FORMAT VERSION OF THE PL 94 DATA AND MID AUGUST, THAT DATA IS NOT IMMEDIATELY USABLE.

THE STATEWIDE DATABASE WILL FIRST NEED TO FORMAT AND ADJUST STATEWIDE DATA AS REQUIRED BY LAW, WHICH WILL TAKE ABOUT 30 DAYS.

SO NOT BE AVAILABLE TO LOCAL CITIES AND COUNTIES UNTIL LATE SEPTEMBER.

THIS WOULD GIVE THREE MONTHS TO CONDUCT A REDISTRICTING PROCESS, WHICH FALLS IN LINE WITH SIGNIFICANT HOLIDAYS IN THE FALL.

SO WAITING TO RECEIVE CENSUS DATA TO ENGAGE THE PUBLIC IS NOT ENOUGH TIME TO PLAN AND ENGAGE THE PUBLIC INTENTIONALLY.

IN REDISTRICTING.

WE URGE YOU TO INCLUDE REDISTRICTING PLANNING ON YOUR UPCOMING CITY COUNCIL MEETING AGENDA SO THAT YOU CAN PROVIDE UPDATES ON A PLANNING PROCESS TO THE CITY'S RESIDENTS.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR WILLINGNESS TO DO THIS IMPORTANT WORK FOR THE RESIDENTS OF OKLAHOMA.

AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU TO FACILITATE COMMUNITY ENGAGED ENGAGEMENT IN A FAIR AND INCLUSIVE REDISTRICTING PROCESS.

LET ME SEE THAT.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? THANKS FOR COMING.

THANK YOU SO MUCH, RAMIN.

UM, SO THANK YOU FOR, UM, THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TODAY.

MY NAME IS RAMA AWAD AND I'M A COMMUNITY ORGANIZER AT THE MESHED UP CENTER WHERE THE ARAB COMMUNITY CENTER OF SAN DIEGO.

AND WE'RE ACTUALLY BASED JUST ACROSS THE STREET FROM YOU ALL.

SO IT WAS A TWO MINUTE WALK.

UM, THE MOST DULL CENTER IS A GRASSROOTS INSTITUTION COMMITTED TO UPLIFTING THE ARAB COMMUNITY IN SAN DIEGO.

AND WE ARE A MEMBER OF THE EAST COUNTY JUSTICE COALITION.

UH, WE'RE ALSO A MEMBER OF THE SAN DIEGO REFUGEE COMMUNITIES, CO UH, COALITION, WHICH IS A COALITION OF 11 ETHNIC COMMUNITY-BASED ORGANIZATIONS FROM ACROSS THE COUNTY.

MANY OF THE ARAB AMERICAN COMMUNITY MEMBERS WE SERVE AS MUCH DONE HAVE RECENTLY RESETTLED IN THE LAST DECADE AND THUS ARE NOT COUNTED FOR NOT COUNTED FOR IN THE CURRENT DISTRICT MAPS.

THE MAPS DRAWN NOW DO NOT ACCURATELY REPRESENT US.

UM, SO MUCH OF OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS ARE A SYRIAN IRAQI.

UM, MANY OF WHOM WE SETTLED WITHIN THE PAST 10 YEARS, THAT BEING SAID, WE HAVE ENGAGED MANY OF OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS WITH CENSUS, AND THEY ARE EXCITED TO BE PART OF THIS REDISTRICTING PROCESS, GIVEN ALL THE WORK AHEAD OF YOU.

WE RECOMMEND THAT THE CITY BEGIN PLANNING FOR REDISTRICTING NOW TO SECURE THE EXPERTISE, THE TOOLS, RESOURCES, AND COMMUNITY INPUT NECESSARY TO ENSURE A FAIR, OPEN AND COMPLETE REDISTRICTING PROCESS.

WE THEREFORE URGE YOU TO INCLUDE REDISTRICTING PLANNING ON YOUR UPCOMING CITY COUNCIL MEETING AGENDAS SO THAT YOU CAN PROVIDE US IN THE COMMUNITY ON THE PLANNING PROCESS TO THE CITY'S RESIDENTS, MANY JURISDICTIONS IN THE REGION, LARGE AND SMALL HAVE RDU STARTED THE REDISTRICTING PROCESS AND, UH, OR PROCESSES AND OTHERS ARE STARTING SOON.

WE ENCOURAGE THE CITY OF OKLAHOMA TO FOLLOW SUIT AND KEEP THE PUBLIC INFORMED AS YOU MOVE FORWARD.

AND WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS.

THAT PROCUREMENT PROCESS.

MUMTAZ MAMA.

BEFORE WE, UH, GO AHEAD AND CALL THEM UP.

BUT, UH, UH, PHIL HAS A QUESTION FOR STAFF.

THE QUESTION FOR STAFF WITH REGARD TO REDISTRICTING, UH, WHAT IS THE CITY'S PREPARATION LOOK LIKE RIGHT NOW, SIR? CERTAINLY, UM, AS MS. ERICA POINTED OUT, WE ARE WAITING FOR DATA.

UM, SO IT'D BE IMPOSSIBLE TO REDRAW DISTRICT BOUNDARIES RIGHT NOW UNTIL WE HAVE THAT DATA, BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT THERE IS GOING TO BE A RUSH FOR REDISTRICTING THROUGHOUT THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA.

AND THERE'S VERY FEW FIRMS THAT HAVE THIS EXPERTISE TO DO THIS.

WE'VE ACTUALLY BEGUN THE PROCUREMENT PROCESS BECAUSE WE KNOW THE CONTRACT AMOUNT WON'T EXCEED MY ABILITY FOR SIGNING.

IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE FOR US TO, UM, GO OUT AND DO BRING AN RFP TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL.

SO WE'VE ACTUALLY STARTED

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WE'RE IN THE MIDST OF THAT RIGHT NOW.

UM, AND ONCE WE BELIEVE WE HAVE SOMEBODY IN LINE, WE'LL BRING THAT CONTRACT TO THE CITY COUNCIL AND WE'LL ALSO BRING FORWARD SOME OPTIONS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO RECOMMEND THAT WE MOVE FORWARD THAT WILL ENSURE THAT WE HAVE, UH, OPENNESS AND TRANSPARENCY.

UM, REGARDLESS OF WHICH FIRM WE USE WE'D WE LIKED THE PROCESS LAST TIME.

UM, THERE WAS A LOT OF DIALOGUE.

THERE'S A LOT OF COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, SO WE'D LIKE TO ENCOURAGE THAT.

HOWEVER, WE, WE JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT THE BOUNDARIES LOOK LIKE.

UM, AND SO WE SEE THE DATA FOR ALL.

WE KNOW THERE'S BEEN NO MOVEMENT IN DISTRICTS.

I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE CASE, BUT WE DON'T KNOW THAT AGAIN UNTIL THE DATA PRESENTS ITSELF.

SO WE ARE A BIT A HOLDING PATTERN.

I, AS A STAT, YOUR STAFF, I THINK IT'S A LITTLE PREMATURE TO START HOLDING COMMUNITY WORKSHOPS WITHOUT, WITHOUT ANYTHING TO TALK ABOUT.

SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT, BUT WE'RE GETTING THE PROCESS READY IF WE DO NEED TO RETAIN A CONSULTANT FOR, FOR THIS PROCESS.

CORRECT.

SO, SO THE, THE, THE LETTER THAT THE COUNCIL RECEIVED, IT ALLEGES THAT WE'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING.

THAT'S NOT THE CASE.

WE'RE ACTUALLY WELL WITHIN THE PROCUREMENT PROCESS RIGHT NOW.

HI, WELCOME.

THANK YOU, SIR.

GOOD AFTERNOON.

DISTINCT, UH, COUNCIL MEMBERS AND GUESTS.

I HOPE EVERYONE IS IN THE BEST HEALTH AND THIS DIRE SITUATION.

IF I'M COUGHING, PLEASE DON'T RUN AWAY FROM HERE.

THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME THE FLOOR TO SPEAK TODAY.

MY NAME IS .

I AM AN ALCOHOL RESIDENT AND ACTIVE MEMBER OF THE GROWING AFGHAN COMMUNITY HERE IN OKLAHOMA.

I'M HERE TODAY TO ASK THE CITY COUNCIL TO BEGIN PLANNING FOR REDISTRICTING.

NOW, AS A RESIDENT OF ALCON RE REDISTRICTING, IS THERE REALLY A VERY IMPORTANT ISSUE? AND WE AS AN AFRICAN COMMUNITY, WANT THE PROCESS TO BE INCLUSIVE.

OUR COMMUNITY IS OFTEN IGNORED HERE IN AT HOME TO CHANGE THIS.

WE WANT TO TAKE AN ACTIVE ROLE IN THE POLITICAL PROCESS, AND WE SEE REDISTRICTING AS OUR FIRST STEP TO HAVE A PRESENCE IN OKLAHOMA.

WE WANTED TO TELL YOU ABOUT OR COMMUNITY SO THAT YOU CAN DRAW MAPS THAT MAKE SURE PEOPLE GET FAIR REPRESENTATION WITHOUT UPDATING THE COMMUNITY ON YOUR REDISTRICTING TIMELINE.

YOU'RE TAKING ACTION WITH THE COMMUNITY YOU SERVE.

WE ARE ALL NEIGHBORS AND WE BELONG IN THE SAME COMMUNITY AND SHOULD BE WORKING TOGETHER.

AND THE WHOLE PROCESS OF THE ALCOHOL RESIDENTS, WE ARE EXCITED TO BE PART OF THIS HISTORIC PROCESS THAT WILL SHAPE OUR DEMOCRACY FOR THE NEXT 10 YEARS.

WE URGE YOU TO INCLUDE REDISTRICTING PLANNING ON YOUR UPCOMING CITY COUNCIL MEETING AGENDA SO THAT YOU CAN PROVIDE UPDATES ON THE PLANNING PROCESS TO THE CITY'S RESIDENTS.

WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO BE WORKING WITH YOU THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS.

THANK YOU ONCE AGAIN, AND THANK YOU FOR LISTENING.

THANKS FOR KELLY.

UM, IF THERE'S ANY QUESTION, I'M A TOUR SERVICE QUESTIONS.

APPRECIATE IT.

THANK YOU, KATHY SEAMAN, KATHY.

IT'S GREAT TO SEE YOU.

GOD, WE HAVEN'T SEEN SO MANY PEOPLE FOR A YEAR.

MY NAME IS CATHY Z-MAN.

I'M A PROPERTY OWNER IN OKLAHOMA, AND I'M ALSO ON THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS FOR THE DOWNTOWN ELKA HOME BUSINESS PARTNERS.

AND SO I WAS HERE LAST WEEKEND OR LAST WEEK OR TWO WEEKS AGO, AND I SAW THE PRESENTATION MADE BY THE CITY REGARDING THE HOMELESS AND THAT ISSUE AND WHAT YOU'RE DOING ABOUT IT.

AND, UM, I FELT COMPELLED TO SAY SOMETHING TODAY BECAUSE I JUST DIDN'T AGREE WITH A LOT OF THE VIEWS THAT WERE BEING EXPRESSED LAST.

UH, THE LAST CITY COUNCIL MEETING, I WAS, I WAS ACTUALLY SURPRISED AND, UH, KIND OF PROUD OF EVERYTHING THAT THE CITY OF ALCOHOL DOES TO HELP THE HOMELESS.

I DIDN'T KNOW THAT WE HAD ALL THOSE RESOURCES.

I DIDN'T KNOW THAT YOU HAD, UH, COMMITTED SO MUCH MONEY TO HELPING THE HOMELESS, INTO DEALING WITH THAT PROBLEM.

UM, I, UH, WHEN YOU TALKED ABOUT THE, UM, UH, THE VOUCHER PROGRAM, I WAS ACTUALLY HAPPY THAT THE CITY OF ALCOHOL TOOK A LOOK TO SEE WHETHER YOU WERE THROWING GOOD MONEY AFTER BAD.

AND WHETHER THAT BOUCHER PROP PROGRAM WAS WORKING, BECAUSE IF IT'S NOT LEADING TO PERMANENT HOUSING FOR PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, ON A PRETTY REGULAR BASIS,

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THEN, THEN YOU'RE RIGHT.

YOU NEED AN, YOU NEED AN ALTERNATIVE FOR THAT.

UM, IT SEEMS LIKE THE CITY HAS BEEN A GOOD JOB OF GETTING THE HOMELESS OFF THE STREETS AND OUT OF THE PARKS.

UH, WHEN I DRIVE BY WELLS PARK NOW I NOTICED THAT THERE'S A LOT OF FAMILIES THERE.

I DON'T SEE THE HOMELESS ENCAMPMENTS THAT WERE ONCE THERE.

MY OFFICE IS NEXT TO JUDSON PARK AND, UH, I WOULD HAVE TROUBLE RENTING TO TENANTS SOMETIMES BECAUSE OF THE CONGREGATION OF HOMELESS PEOPLE IN THE PARK.

AND THEY JUST FELT IT WAS LIKE AN UNSAFE AREA OR SOMETHING, BUT I HAVEN'T HAD THAT, THAT A PROBLEM LATELY.

SO I'M, I'M ALSO ON THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS FOR DOWNTOWN ELKO AND BUSINESS PARTNERS AND FOR PEOPLE WHO AREN'T SURE WHAT THAT IS, WE HOST A LOT OF COMMUNITY EVENTS, LIKE BECOME CLASSIC CRUISE AND ALSO THE, UH, DINNER AND, UH, CONCERTS, WHICH ARE ON, ON FRIDAY NIGHTS DURING THE SUMMER.

AND WE HAVE A RELATIONSHIP WITH ECE TLC AND THEY DO OUR CLEAN AND SAFE PROGRAM FOR US.

SO THEY PICK UP TRASH AND THEY POWER WASH AND THEY, THEY DO THINGS, YOU KNOW, DURING, DURING THE DAY.

UM, AND, UH, AND AGAIN, AS IVAN WAS SAYING THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE, UH, UH, RESOURCES TOTALLY COMMITTED TO HELPING ANYBODY WHO, WHO WANTS HELP AND THEY HAVE A TREMENDOUS PROGRAM THAT'S HELPED HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE.

AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE A MODEL BECAUSE THEY OTHER AREAS HAVE REACHED OUT TO THEM TO FIGURE OUT HOW THEY'RE DOING AND WHAT THEY'RE DOING AND, AND COPY THE MODEL THAT THEY HAVE.

SO I WOULD SAY THAT FOR OUR SEAT CLEAN, I'M SORRY, I'M GOING TO GO A LITTLE OVER HOPE THAT'S OKAY.

UM, SO PROBABLY, UH, OUR PLAINTIFF'S SAVE CREW DEALS WITH POWER WASHING HUMAN WASTE, GRIME DIRT FROM THE BUSINESS AREAS OF THE CITY, UH, ALMOST ON A DAILY BASIS.

UM, YOU KNOW, JUST BECAUSE YOU'RE HOMELESS, YOU REALLY SHOULDN'T BE DEFECATING AND URINATING IN THE, IN THE DOORWAYS OF THESE BUSINESSES.

A LOT OF THE BUSINESS OWNERS HAVE BLEACHED THAT THEY KEEP IN THEIR SOURCE SO THAT THEY CAN GO OUT AND THEY CAN CLEAN, YOU KNOW, BEFORE THEIR CLIENTELE COMES IN DURING THE DAY, UM, DOWNTOWN OAKLAND BUSINESS PARTNERS PROVIDE THE NIGHT PATROL AND THEY GO TO THE DIFFERENT BUSINESSES OR PROPERTIES DURING THE NIGHT, AND THEY MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S NO TROUBLE.

THERE'S NO HOMELESS, 90% OF THEIR CONTACTS THAT THEY HAVE ARE WITH HOMELESS PEOPLE THAT ARE CAMPING ON THE PROPERTY.

SHOULD WE JUST SAY OUR TIME IS UP, BUT I W I CAN'T SAY I WANT YOU TO FINISH, BECAUSE I THINK THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO HEAR, UH, FROM THE DEV BUSINESS PARTNER'S PERSPECTIVE, WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THE HALLS.

SO, YES.

A WOMAN WHO APPEARED TO BE MENTALLY ILL, UH, AND SHE WAS RUNNING INTO TRAFFIC AND THERE WERE TWO POLICE OFFICERS WHO WERE ALSO RUNNING INTO TRAFFIC, TRYING TO, TO, UH, SECURE HER AND TAKE HER BACK TO THE SIDEWALK WHICH THEY DID.

PLEASE CONTINUE.

SO, UM, THE NIGHT GRIFOLS, I'D SAY 90% OF THEIR CONTACTS ARE WITH HOMES.

PEOPLE THEY'RE EITHER IN CAMPED ON PRIVATE PROPERTY, OR THEY ARE BREAKING INTO UNOCCUPIED, PRIVATE PROPERTY TO SET OF RESIDENCES.

UH, WE HAD A PLACE ON LEXINGTON THAT HAD A LOT OF PEOPLE LIVING IN IT.

I, I BELIEVE THAT HAS BEEN, HAS BEEN CLEARED NOW.

UM, THERE IS ACTUALLY A WEBSITE WHERE OUR SECURITY OFFERS OFFICERS MAKE A REPORT EVERY NIGHT, UH, AND THEY HA THEY POST PICTURES OF WHAT THEY'RE DOING.

I'D BE HAPPY TO GIVE THAT INFORMATION TO ANY OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT WANT TO CHECK THAT OUT AND GO THERE AND CHECK OUT WHAT'S GOING ON.

SO EVEN NOW WITH ALL THE EFFORTS OF THE CITY COUNCIL, THE BIG, THE BIGGEST COMPLAINTS THAT WE GET FROM PROPERTY AND BUSINESS OWNERS DOES DEAL WITH THE HOMELESS.

AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, ONE THING THAT YOU, YOU KNOW, JUST DRIVING I'M IN OKLAHOMA ALL THE TIME, AND I HATE IT WHEN I, WHEN I WALK AROUND ALCOHOL AND I SEE, UH, YOU KNOW, A TORTURED INDIVIDUAL, HALF CLOSED, RANTING, AND RAVING AT SOME UNSEEN, UNKNOWN ENTITY OUT THERE, CAUSE THOSE PEOPLE THEY NEED HELP.

UM, AND, AND I KNOW THAT THIS GOES BEYOND JUST BEING HOMELESS.

IT, IT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED IN A DIFFERENT WAY.

AND LISTENING TO THE PRESENTATION AT THE MEETING LAST WEEK AND LISTENING TO ALL THE COUNCIL MEMBERS SPEAK, I CAN TELL THAT THEY WERE IN PASSIONATE ABOUT THIS ISSUE.

I CAN TELL THAT THEY CARE ABOUT EVERY INDIVIDUAL OUT THERE, AND THEY WANT TO HELP THEM.

THEY WANT TO MAKE THEM SUCCEED IN LIFE, BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S, THERE'S, I KNOW THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH THINGS THAT THIS THE CITY COUNCIL CAN DO.

UM, SO I KNOW THE CITY HAS TO, YOU KNOW, LOOK OUT FOR THE CITY BUSINESS OWNERS, PROPERTY OWNERS AND RESIDENTS, BECAUSE IT'S OUR CITY TOO.

IT'S NOT JUST THE HOMELESS THAT, THAT NEEDED THE HELP HERE.

AND, UM, I DON'T THINK THAT THE ISSUE OF CHRONIC HOMELESSNESS COMBINED WITH IN SOBRIETY, DUCT DRUG ABUSE AND MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES SHOULD BE TOLERATED OR IGNORED.

IT HAS TO BE ADDRESSED.

AND, UM, I'M HOPING THAT THE CITY COUNCIL CAN COME UP WITH A WAY TO DO THAT.

BUT OVERALL, I JUST APPLAUD THE WAY THE CITY COUNCIL HAS BEEN HANDLING THE HOMELESS ISSUE IN OUR CITY.

THANKS, CATHERINE.

WE SHOULD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR YOU, STEVE.

THIS IS A COMMENT REALLY, TO THAT POINT FROM A EXPERIENCE I HAD YESTERDAY MORNING IN DOWNTOWN OKLAHOMA OR WITHIN THE DISTRICT, I BELIEVE, UH, THERE WAS

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AND BY THE WAY, THIS LADY HAD A FOUR-FOOT STICK, WHICH IN SOME INSTANCES CAN BE CONSIDERED A WEAPON SMARTLY.

UH, OUR OFFICERS SECURED HER SET THE STICK ASIDE, UH, CALM HER DOWN AND APPROPRIATELY RELEASED HER.

NOW SHE HAS SOME CONDITIONS THAT REQUIRE EXPERTISE THAT THE POLICE OFFICERS DON'T HAVE THAT WE DON'T HAVE, THAT WE DON'T GET FUNDING FOR IT.

AND THIS IS A FRUSTRATION, PROBABLY COUNTYWIDE, IF NOT NATIONWIDE, IS THIS MENTAL HEALTH CRISIS.

BUT, UH, I'M SO PROUD OF OUR POLICE THAT THEY, THEY SECURED THIS WITH COMPASSION, REALLY AN APPROPRIATE DEESCALATING TYPE OF RESPONSE.

BUT THIS IS THE CRISIS THAT WE FACE THIS MENTAL HEALTH CRISIS.

OFTENTIMES THE POLICE OFFICERS WILL RESPOND TO OUR SECURITY PATROLS AT NIGHT WHEN THEY HAVE THESE ISSUES.

AND, UM, THE POLICE 100% OF THE TIME DEAL WITH THE, THE, UH, THE PROBLEM TOTALLY APPROPRIATELY AND WITHIN, YOU KNOW, BREATHING AND HANDLE IT THE WAY IT SHOULD BE HANDLED.

I WOULD JUST LIKE TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO THANK YOU FOR WORKING WITH EAST COUNTY TRANSITIONAL LIVING CENTER.

AS I SAID, I'VE HAD A NUMBER OF PEOPLE CYCLE THROUGH MY HOUSE OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS.

AND EVERY SINGLE ONE SAYS, IF IT WASN'T FOR EAST COUNTY, TRANSITIONAL LIVING CENTER AND THE HELP THAT THEY GOT THERE, THEY'D BE DEAD IN SOME GUTTER SOMEWHERE.

THEY DO A GREAT JOB AND THEY PROVIDE NOT ONLY OUR CLEAN AND SAFE AND EVERYTHING, BUT YOU, OUR CONCERTS, OUR CAR SHOWS ACTUALLY START NEXT WEDNESDAY.

THEY PROVIDE A LOT OF THE STAFFING FOR OUR CAR SHOWS, ESPECIALLY LIKE NEXT WEEK WHEN IT'S GOING TO BE A FULL STREET CLOSURE.

AND THEY ARE ALSO OUR CONCERT CREW WHO SETS UP OUR STAGE, OUR RIGGING AND EVERYTHING FOR THE CONCERTS, WHICH ARE GOING TO START ON JULY 2ND.

I THINK THIS IS A CASE WHERE THIS STATE NEEDS TO STEP UP TO THE PLATE AND PROVIDE MENTAL HEALTH COUNSELING, OR EVEN PLACES FOR THEM TO LIVE AND UNTIL THEY GET THEIR HEADS TOGETHER.

GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYONE.

CAUSE IT'S BEYOND WHAT THE CITY CAN DO AND SOMETHING TO DO WITH THE DRUGS TOO.

I CAN TELL YOU THAT FOR SURE.

MY MAIN NAME IS AND I ALSO AM A COMMUNITY ORGANIZER.

I WORK WITH JUSTICE OVERCOMING BOUNDARIES, AND, UH, WE ARE AN ACTIVE MEMBER OF THE EAST COUNTY JUSTICE COALITION, AND SEVERAL OF OUR PARTNERS HAVE ALREADY SPOKEN.

SO AS YOU KNOW, I WILL BE SPEAKING ABOUT REDISTRICTING.

UM, AND SO OUR EFFORT WITH THE EAST COUNTY JUSTICE COALITION, WE'RE A GRASSROOTS EFFORT OF EAST COUNTY RESIDENTS, ORGANIZATIONS, COMMUNITY, UH, CHURCHES, UM, AND THOSE INSTITUTIONS INTERESTED IN ENSURING JUSTICE FOR BLACK, LATINO, INDIGENOUS, UM, MUSLIM AND OTHER COMMUNITY COMMUNITIES OF COLOR.

THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TODAY.

AND I AM HERE TO UPLIFT A COUPLE OF THE POINTS THAT WERE INCLUDED IN THE LETTER, BUT NOW THAT THERE HAS BEEN A RESPONSE, I ALSO WANT TO RESPOND TO SOME OF THOSE.

SO, UH, BACK ON FEBRUARY 9TH, UH, THE CITY OF OKLAHOMA, UM, AT A CITY COUNCIL MEETING DID MAKE A COMMITMENT AND MADE A PUBLIC ANNOUNCEMENT ABOUT THE COMMITMENT TO ENSURE A TRANSPARENT PROCESS.

AND WE'VE HEARD THAT ALL TODAY, TIME HAS MOVED FAST IN A BLINK OF AN EYE WE'RE NOW IN ENTERING ME PRETTY SOON.

SO TIME IS MOVING FAST.

WE HAVE TO MOVE FAST AS WELL IN THE PROCESS.

AND WHAT WE'RE ALL ASKING FOR HERE IS AN OPEN AND TRANSPARENT PROCESS FOR ALL RESIDENTS WHO ARE INTERESTED TO PARTICIPATE CAN DO.

AND WE KNOW THAT 2020 YEAR WAS AN UNPRECEDENTED, UH, NOTHING TURNED OUT THE WAY THAT WE HAD EXPECTED, UM, A YEAR AGO.

AND SO WE KNOW THAT THAT HAS PUSHED BACK THE RESULTS OF THE CENSUS AND GETTING THEM HERE MEANS THAT IT'S A DIFFERENT TIMELINE.

HOWEVER, THAT DOES NOT PRECLUDE THE CITY OF ALCOHOL BEGINNING, THE PROCESS OF ENGAGING RESIDENTS.

NOW, UM, THERE ARE JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT I WANT TO POINT OUT TO, UM, IN THE INTEREST OF TIME.

SO THERE WAS ALREADY, UM, AND THESE ARE COMMENTS IN RESPONSE TO WHAT YOU SHARED.

THERE WAS ALREADY A STATEWIDE WEBINAR BY THE LEAGUE OF CITIES,

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UH, THAT ADVISED THAT PROVIDED INFORMATION AND ADVICE CITIES TO GET STARTED EARLY IN THE REDISTRICTING PROCESS.

AND THAT YOU COULD BEGIN AS A CITY TAKING COMMUNITY OF INTEREST TESTIMONY.

NOW THAT'S NOT TIED TO THE CENSUS DATA THAT WE'RE WAITING FOR AND, AND IS REQUIRED BY REDISTRICTING CRITERIA.

YOU CAN, WE CAN SHARE THE LINK TO THE WEBINAR IF YOU'D LIKE TO LEARN MORE.

AND THIS ISN'T SOMETHING THAT A COMMUNITY ORGANIZATION LIKE OURS DID.

THIS IS ACTUALLY A WEBINAR HOSTED BY THE STATEWIDE CITY CLERK'S ASSOCIATION AND WAS PROMOTED AND PRESENTED BY THE LEAGUE OF CITIES AND THE COUNTY SUPERVISORS ASSOCIATION.

SO IT'S NOT JUST FROM STORIES OF COMMUNITY.

UM, HOWEVER, IT IS IMPORTANT TO INCLUDE THOSE COMMUNITIES.

AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO START THE PROCESS NOW SO THAT YOU DON'T LEAVE ANYONE OUT.

UH, ESPECIALLY AS THE CITY CHANGES DEMOGRAPHICS.

WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE WHO LOOK LIKE ME AND THOSE WHO'VE SPOKEN ON THIS ISSUE HAVE A VOICE IN THE PROCESS, UH, THAT WILL DETERMINE OUR VOTING POWER FOR THE NEXT 10 YEARS.

AND I'D ALSO LIKE TO LEAVE SOME INFORMATION.

WE HAVE A COMMUNITY FORUM AROUND THESE ISSUES.

I'LL LEAVE COPIES HERE WITH THE CLERK WHO CAN SHARE WITH THEM ON MAY 4TH.

UH, MR. WELLS, UH, DAVE RICHARDS FROM MY OFFICE IS COMING DOWN.

IN FACT, HE JUST SHOWED UP IN THE BACK.

THOSE THAT ARE INTERESTED IN REDISTRICTING ISSUES.

HE HAS A BUSINESS CARD, HE CAN PASS OUT AND WE CAN ENGAGE, UH, YOU FOLKS, UH, IN THE DAYS TO COME HOPE THAT'S HELPFUL.

NATHAN CORONET, MR. CREDIT, IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME.

IT HAS BEEN AWHILE.

HOW'S IT GOING EVERYBODY WELCOME, UH, TO THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING? UM, I DIDN'T WRITE ANYTHING DOWN.

I SHOULD PROBABLY TAKE NOTES NEXT TIME.

I WANTED TO MAKE A COMMENT ABOUT THE HOMELESS SITUATION.

UH, ALL THIS REDISTRICTING TALK HAS GOT MY MIND GOING, AND I'VE GOT SOME COMMENTS ABOUT THAT, BUT I'M GONNA SAVE IT FOR ANOTHER TIME WHEN IT CAN BE A LITTLE MORE COMPOSED.

UM, I WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU TO THIS COUNCIL AND TO CITY STAFF, UH, TO OUR POLICE, UH, AND, UH, THE VARIOUS ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE WORKING WITH THE CITY'S HOMELESS.

UM, I'VE LIVED IN EAST COUNTY, MY ENTIRE LIFE, AND ALCOHOL HAS A REPUTATION OR HAD A REPUTATION, UH, MY WHOLE LIFE.

I HEARD ABOUT IT.

UM, AND THEN I MOVED INTO THE CITY AND SAW IT FIRSTHAND.

UM, SOME OF THE PROBLEMS THAT WE'RE FACING, UM, I HELPED RUN A BUSINESS, UH, THAT, UH, OVER THERE, ALL FESSLER AND JOHNSON AND THAT ENTIRE STREET ON FESSLER HAS HAD ENCAMPMENTS, UH, FOR AS LONG AS WE'VE BEEN.

THERE ARE GIRLS THAT COME OUT OF THE OFFICE LATE AT NIGHT HAVE BEEN HARASSED.

UM, I'VE HAD THINGS THROWN AT ME.

UH, WE ARE CONSISTENTLY CURSED OUT.

UH, IT, IT HAS BEEN A, UH, A TOUGH SITUATION.

UM, THE, UH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR, THEIR SPECIFIC DEPARTMENT IS, BUT THE POLICE HAVE COME OUT THERE AND, UM, DONE WHAT THEY DO TO KIND OF HELP CLEAR THAT PLACE OUT AND, AND KEEP US SAFE.

UM, AND RECENTLY, PROBABLY IN THE LAST, UH, FOUR MONTHS OR SO, UM, I HAVE SEEN THAT WHOLE PLACE BE A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PLACE TO BE A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PLACE TO WORK.

SO WHATEVER YOU GUYS ARE DOING, I JUST WANT TO SAY, THANK YOU.

I'M VERY GRATEFUL FOR IT.

UM, I, UH, WE USED TO MAINTAIN THE LANDSCAPING OVER AT THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB OVER OFF OF, UH, BY WEALTH PARK.

AND, UH, I BROUGHT MY FAMILY THERE ONE TIME, UH, AND IT WAS NOT A GOOD EXPERIENCE.

UM, PRETTY UNSAFE IN A LOT OF WAYS, UH, FELT VERY THREATENED.

UM, IN FACT, THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB, ONE OF THEIR BIGGEST ISSUES WAS THE, UH, ENCAMPMENTS OF PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE.

UH, WE WERE INSTALLING LARGE ROCKS AND SPIKY PLANTS IN ORDER TO PREVENT, UH, THE HOMELESS FROM SLEEPING THERE AND HARASSING THE KIDS THAT WOULD COME TO THAT PROGRAM ON A DAILY BASIS.

UM, AND SO ANYWAYS, THAT'S BEEN TOTALLY CLEANED UP.

I'M JUST ABSOLUTELY SURPRISED AND SHOCKED AND THANKFUL.

UM, SO I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO YOU GUYS, UH, ISI TLC.

I HAVE REFERRED DOZENS OF PEOPLE TO THEIR, UH, THEIR ORGANIZATION AND SEEN SEVERAL TAKE-UP BEDS THERE, UH, AND DO BETTER.

THEIR LIFE IS BETTER.

AND SO I'M JUST THANKFUL FOR THE WORK THAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING.

I KNOW IT IS NOT A SIMPLE THING, UH, BUT, UH, IT'S, IN FACT, IT'S VERY, VERY COMPLICATED FOR BOTH THE LEGAL AND POLITICAL AND ALL THE OTHER DIFFERENT WAYS.

SO I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR WORK, UH, REALLY APPRECIATE IT.

AND SIR, THE LAST TWO COMMENTS WERE SUBMITTED ONLINE.

UM, THE FIRST ONE IS FROM ANNE BARREN.

SHE WRITES, I AM A BOARD MEMBER ON THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS OF THE PEACE RESOURCE CENTER OF SAN DIEGO.

WE AT THE PRC ALSO SUGGEST THAT YOU BEGIN TO PLAN FOR REDISTRICTING NOW TO ENSURE ADEQUATE COMMUNITY INPUT, DIALOGUE, AND PARTICIPATION IN A FAIR, OPEN, AND COMPLETE REDISTRICTING PROCESS, WAITING TO ENGAGE THE PUBLIC UNTIL AFTER THE RELEASE OF REDISTRICTING DATA WILL NOT ALLOW FOR ENOUGH TIME TO ENGAGE THE PUBLIC AND THE

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PROCESSES REQUIRED.

WE THEREFORE JOINED WITH OTHER COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND ORGANIZATIONS TO ASK YOU INCLUDE REDISTRICT DURING PLANNING IN YOUR UPCOMING CITY COUNCIL MEETING AGENDAS AND PROVIDE RESIDENTS WITH UPDATES.

THE PRC LOOKS TO PROMOTE PEACE BY AND ENGAGING IN OPEN COMMUNICATION.

THE REDISTRICTING PROCESS IS ESSENTIAL TO INCLUSIVE DEMOCRATIC PROCESSES.

PLEASE WORK TO INCLUDE THE PUBLIC IN ALL PHASES OF REDISTRICTING AND ALLOW US AND LET US KNOW WHAT YOU'RE PLANNING.

THIS INCLUDES PROVIDING AS NEEDED ESSENTIAL TRANSLATION.

ELKA HONE IS VERY DIVERSE WITH SEVERAL POPULATIONS THAT DON'T SPEAK ENGLISH AS FIRST LANGUAGE.

THIS BEGINS WITH CONDUCTING A PUBLIC INTRANSPARENT PROCESS TO SECURE A REDISTRICTING IN LINE DRAWING CONSULTANT WITH OPPORTUNITY FOR PUBLIC PARTICIPATION AND COMMENTS.

THE COMMITTEE WANTS TO PROVIDE INPUT ON HOW YOU DRAW THE NEW MAPS.

PEOPLE HAVE MOVED IN AND OUT OF OKLAHOMA AND OUR COMMUNITIES HAVE CHANGED.

WE WANT TO TELL YOU ABOUT THAT.

SO YOU CAN DRAW MAPS THAT MAKE SURE PEOPLE GET FAIR RATE.

UM, AND THE LAST COMMENT IS FROM STEPHANIE HARPER, WE NEED TO CONSIDER A WAY TO KEEP COSTS DOWN FOR OUR CITY.

ONE THING VERY IMPORTANT WE NEED TO CONSIDER HERE IS OUR HOMELESS PEOPLE FILING A CLASS ACTION SUIT AGAINST THE CITY FOR THEIR PROPERTY BEING TAKEN ILLEGALLY.

IT IS EVERY AMERICAN'S RIGHT TO HAVE BELONGINGS, UH, AND IT'S VERY, EVERY AMERICAN'S RIGHT TO BE TREATED FAIRLY.

WHEN OUR OFFICERS ILLEGALLY TAKING POSSESSIONS OF OUR CITIZENS WITHOUT PUTTING THEM IN THE PROPERTY ROOM OR DEALING WITH THEM IN THE CORRECT MANNER.

ACCORDING TO OUR MUNICIPAL CODE, IT IS ILLEGAL.

IT COSTS THE CITY OF SAN DIEGO, HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS TO SETTLE.

THE CASE THAT THEY'RE HOMELESS CITIZENS BROUGHT FORTH.

THIS TYPE OF TREATMENT HAPPENS EVERY DAY OR EVERY OTHER DAY IN THE CITY OF OKLAHOMA OR HOMELESS CITIZENS MAY BE HOMELESS, BUT THEY'RE NOT STUPID.

THEY WILL RALLY UP AND BRING A CASE AGAINST THE CITY OF OKLAHOMA.

IN ORDER FOR THIS, IN ORDER FOR THIS TO KEEP FROM HAPPENING, WE NEED TO CONSIDER OPENING UP TRANSITIONAL STORAGE UNITS.

THESE UNITS WILL NOT ONLY HELP WITH THE PROPERTY PROBLEM, BUT ALSO HELP WITH TRASH PROBLEM THAT WE TEND TO HAVE IN OUR CITY.

SINCE OUR HOMELESS PEOPLE WILL TAKE EVERYTHING THEY OWN WITH THEM EVERYWHERE THEY GO.

IT IS A HARDSHIP AND THE POLICE HARASSED THEM AND TAKE THEIR PROPERTY.

UM, THERE ARE SIMPLE SOLUTIONS TO THIS BEFORE.

IT BECOMES A BIGGER PROBLEM.

OUR HOMELESS PEOPLE ARE CITIZENS TOO, AND THEY DESERVE JUST AS MUCH RESPECT AS ANY OTHER CITIZEN HERE IN OUR CITY.

UM, THE POLICE WOULD NEVER THINK OF GOING INTO SOMEONE'S HOME AND TAKING THEIR BELONGINGS.

SO WHY ARE OUR HOMELESS CITIZENS TREATED DIFFERENTLY? PLEASE LOOK INTO THIS PROBLEM AND CONSIDER THE FACT THAT WE ARE HANDLING THIS WRONG, UH, THIS ONGOING ISSUE FOR OUR CITY, THAT THAT'S GOING TO COST US A LOT OF MONEY.

WE WERE AT OUT PUBLIC HEARINGS, SO WE HAVE THREE ITEMS TO CONSIDER.

AND THOSE THAT'S THE END OF THE COMMENTS.

THANK YOU, ANGELA.

THERE ARE NO WRITTEN COMMUNICATIONS ON TODAY'S AGENDA.

[8. Adoption of FY 2021-22 One-Year Action Plan (CDBG and HOME) RECOMMENDATION: That the City Council: Opens the public hearing and receives testimony; Closes the public hearing; Finalizes the allocations of CDBG and HOME funds as a part of the FY 2021-22 One-Year Action Plan; and Adopts the next Resolution, in order, approving and adopting the FY 2021-22 One-Year Action Plan in the form presented, with such monetary and non-monetary changes as approved by the City Manager, and authorizing the City Manager or designee to submit the Plan to HUD and to execute all affiliated documents.]

ITEM EIGHT IS AN ADOPTION OF THE FISCAL YEAR, 2021 THROUGH 2022 ONE YEAR.

ACTION PLAN STAFFY.

PLEASE TELL US ABOUT THIS.

HI, GOOD AFTERNOON.

MARIN COUNCIL MEMBERS.

CAN YOU HEAR ME? YEAH.

JAMIE VAN ROBINSON HOUSING MANAGER.

UH, THIS IS THE SECOND OF TWO REQUIRED PUBLIC HEARINGS FOR ADOPTION OF THE FISCAL YEAR 21, 22 ANNUAL ACTION PLAN AND THE ALLOCATIONS OF THE CDBG AND HOME FUNDS TO THE PROJECTS.

UH, THESE PROJECTS AND ALLOCATIONS WERE REVIEWED AT THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING CONDUCTED ON FEBRUARY 23RD STAFF PRESENTED RECOMMENDATIONS FOR FUNDING BASED ON ESTIMATED FUNDING AMOUNTS FROM HUD CITY COUNCIL HEARD AND ACCEPTED PUBLIC COMMENTS AND ADOPTED THE PRELIMINARY ALLOCATIONS THAT MAKE UP THE ONE-YEAR ACTION PLAN.

ON FEBRUARY 25TH HAD ANNOUNCED THE ACTUAL ALLOCATIONS AND BOTH THE CDBG AND HOME FUNDING AMOUNTS CAME IN A LITTLE LOWER THAN EXPECTED ATTACHMENTS, TWO AND THREE OF YOUR AGENDA REPORT REFLECT THE ADJUSTMENTS REQUIRED IN THE CATEGORIES OF FUNDING, UH, AND THE FINAL ALLOCATIONS TO THE PROJECTS.

SO A SUMMARY OF THE ACTION PLAN AND NOTICE OF THIS PUBLIC HEARING WERE PUBLISHED ON MULTIPLE DATES FOR A MINIMUM 30 DAY PUBLIC REVIEW AND COMMENT PERIOD.

AND THE NOTICES WERE ALSO POSTED IN THE VARIOUS PUBLIC LOCATIONS AND ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE, STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT CITY COUNCIL FINALIZE THE ALLOCATIONS OF THESE FUNDS AND THE PROJECTS AS PART OF THE FISCAL YEAR 21, 22 ONE YEAR ACTION PLAN AND ADOPTS THE NEXT RESOLUTION IN ORDER APPROVING AND ADOPTING THAT ACTION PLAN WITH THAT.

I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

THANKS FOR THAT

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REPORT.

APPRECIATE THAT.

UH, QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL.

NO, UH, LAURIE, THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN.

ANGELA, DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS? OKAY.

YES, SIR.

WE RECEIVED 11 COMMENTS.

UM, FIRST ONE, THE FIRST ONE IS FROM MEGAN, UM, SON, AND SHE WRITES, MY NAME IS MEGAN OF SON S CO-FOUNDER OF BORDERLANDS FOR EQUITY, A PRO BONO CIVIL RIGHTS NON-PROFIT WE URGE OKLAHOMA CITY COUNCIL TO PLEASE TAKE THE INEQUITIES FACING OUR COMMUNITIES OF COLOR COMPRISE OF INDIGENOUS BLACK IMMIGRANT AND REFUGEE LATINOS, AND MUSLIMS. SERIOUSLY, WE MUST ADDRESS THE SEVERE LACK OF COVID-19 VACCINATION SITES IN THE EAST COUNTY.

WE MUST ADDRESS THE ISSUE OF REDISTRICTING TO CREATE BETTER AWARENESS AND EDUCATE OUR EAST COUNTY SIBLINGS AT ALL LEVELS.

MOST IMPORTANTLY, WE URGE THAT THE $49,107 DESIGNATED FOR COMMUNITY POLICING PROGRAMS TO BE REINVESTED IN THE EXISTING PROGRAMS, WHICH SERVE THE COMMUNITY, NOT A DIME OF RELIEF RELIEF AID NEEDS TO BE ALLOCATED TOWARDS THE ELCA HOME POLICE DEPARTMENT.

AS WE ARE STILL IN THE MIDST OF A GLOBAL PANDEMIC, WE MUST HELP CONTINUE THOSE IN OUR COMMUNITY, STRUGGLING THE MOST.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, THE NEXT COMMENT, OR GRAB ANY OF THAT.

WELL, I THINK IT'S, UM, I THINK THE COMMENT, OR JUST LOOKED AT A GRAPH AND MADE AN ASSUMPTION THAT WE WERE PUSHING ALMOST $50,000 OF CDBG FUNDS TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

THAT'S NOT THE CASE.

WE'RE RECOMMEND STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT $49,107 BE ALLOCATED TO THE CRIME FREE MULTI-HOUSING PRO PROGRAM.

THAT HAPPENS TO BE ADMINISTERED BY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

AS YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS PROGRAM IS ONE THAT SUPPORTS, UM, AND IMPROVES THE QUALITY OF LIFE IN MANY OF THE APARTMENT COMPLEXES IN OUR COMMUNITY.

IT, IT LITERALLY SERVES THOUSANDS OF RESIDENTS, MOSTLY AFFORDABLE HOUSING RESIDENTS IN OUR COMMUNITY.

IT'S NOT A POLICE, UM, PROGRAM PER SE, BUT IT'S JUST ADMINISTERED BY THEM.

GOOD CLARIFICATION.

CAN MAKE THE RIGHT CHOICE.

I WILL CONTINUE TO SERVE, BUT MOST OF THESE COMMENTS ARE THE SAME KIND OF COMMENT.

THE NEXT ONE FROM DANIELLE, THE WOMAN OF EAST COUNTY BIPAP AND OUR DIVERSE GROUP OF OVER 1200 FOLLOWERS STAND IN STRONG OPPOSITION TO COVID RELIEF, MONEY BEING USED BY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IN ANY CAPACITY.

WE BELIEVE THAT THIS MONEY SHOULD BE USED TO BUILD COMMUNITY, NOT TEAR IT DOWN BY OVER-POLICING.

I UNDERSTAND THAT MOST RESIDENTS OF OKLAHOMA VIEW POLICE DIFFERENTLY THAN US AND THINK THEY ACTUALLY SERVE A PURPOSE IN SOCIETY, BUT THE ALCOHOL POLICE DEPARTMENT IS ALREADY HEAVILY FUNDED WITH REVENUE COMING FROM MULTIPLE, MULTIPLE STREAMS, SUCH AS THE MISCELLANEOUS PUBLIC SAFETY GRANT FOR OVER 300,000 TOTAL, THEY RECEIVE OVER 41 MILLION IN FUNDING ANNUALLY.

THEY DO NOT NEED A SINGLE PENNY OF MONEY MEANT TO SUPPORT LOW INCOME RESIDENTS AND THOSE FACING HOUSING INSECURITY, REGARDLESS OF YOUR STANCE ON THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

I HOPE YOU CAN UNDERSTAND THAT THEY ARE NOT LACKING FUNDING, AND WE AREN'T EVEN ASKING YOU TO DEFUND THE POLICE.

RIGHT NOW, WE ARE SIMPLY ASKING THAT YOU DO NOT GIVE THEM AN ADDITIONAL 50,000 ON TOP OF THEIR ALREADY, BUT HEAVY BUDGET.

PLEASE TAKE A STAND FOR THE WORKING CLASS AND THOSE INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE BEEN SEVERELY IMPACTED BY THE PANDEMIC, NOT A DEPARTMENT, WHICH HAS SEEN A $6 MILLION INCREASE TO THEIR BUDGET SINCE 2017.

THE NEXT COMMENT IS FROM TONY CALLAN GAY, UH, DO NOT INCREASE POLICE BUDGET.

THESE FUNDS NEED TO BE REINVESTED IN HOUSING PROGRAMS, MENTAL HEALTH PROGRAMS, AND EDUCATIONAL RESOURCES, LITERALLY ANYTHING BUT INCREASING POLICING.

PLEASE DON'T BE ONE OF THE CITIES THAT GOES IN HISTORY THAT FURTHER SUPPORTED THE POLICE SYSTEM DURING A TIME OF POLICE BRUTALITY, A TIME WHERE EVERYONE IS LOOKING FOR A CHANGE COMMENT FROM ADDISON, RIGHT? R ARE YOU AWARE OF THE HOMELESS IN THE STREETS INSTEAD OF BEING GREEDY AND TAKING COMMUNITY REALLY FUNDS AND GIVING IT TO THE POLICE WHO ARE VERY WELL EQUIPPED, WHY NOT HELP THE COMMUNITY THAT NEEDS IT? THE MOST, THE HOMELESSNESS, THE HOMELESSNESS, THIS PEOPLE NEED HELP.

AND IT'S YOUR JOB TO SEEK THAT THEY FIND IT.

I REALLY WANT TO CHANGE IN THE HOMELESS COMMUNITY.

IT IS GETTING OUT OF CONTROL AND IT'S EXTREMELY DEPRESSING TO SEE.

I CAN ONLY DO SO MUCH AS AN INDIVIDUAL, BUT THE LEAST YOU CAN DO IS START STARTING WITH GIVING THE PEOPLE WHO NEED HELP THE MOST THEIR RELIEF FUND FOR THEY ARE IN NEED OF RELIEF.

I BELIEVE YOU GUYS

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PLEASE STOP FUELING OUR POLICE FORCE FROM PATTY HILL ECONOMIC AND MEDICAL INFRASTRUCTURE ASSISTANT MUST CONTINUE FOR THOSE WHO HAVE FALLEN INTO A HIGH DISTRESS CATEGORY FROM COVID-19 STATISTICS SHOW.

IT IS USUALLY WOMEN, CHILDREN, AND YOUNG PEOPLE WHO ARE MOST ADVERSELY EFFECTED.

THE COMMUNITY MUST GALVANIZE THE RESOURCES TO CONTINUE TO HELP THOSE IN NEED.

AND IT'S IMPERATIVE THAT FUNDS CONTINUE THAT WERE ALLOCATED FOR THE COMMUNITY PROGRAMS BELOW IN THE CITY OF OKLAHOMA, 2020, 21 FISCAL BUDGET WITH A COVID-19 CDBG FUNDING.

I FEEL ADDING MORE HOMELESS OUTREACH EVENTS ARE CRUCIAL TO TEACH AS MANY PEOPLE SUFFERING AS POSSIBLE, AND SHE LISTS ALCOHOL HOMELESS OUTREACH AND FLEXIBLE HOUSING ASSISTANCE PROGRAM.

A WAY BACK HOME PROGRAM, EMERGENCY SHELTER PROGRAM, ROTATIONAL SHELTER, PROGRAM, RENTAL HOUSING SLASH UTILITY ASSISTANCE.

COVID-19 EMERGENCY MOTEL STAY PROGRAM, EAST COUNTY HOMELESS TASK FORCE, NEIGHBORHOOD QUALITY OF LIFE, TEAM AND HOMELESS OUTREACH EVENTS FROM SPENCER MOYA.

I BELIEVE THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT DOES NOT NEED ANY MORE FUNDING.

THEY HAVE ENOUGH AND GET FUNDING FROM OTHER RESOURCES AS WELL.

THE MONEY WOULD BE BETTER DISTRIBUTED TO HELP, TO HELPING WITH HOUSING FROM SHANA H FOR THE FISCAL YEAR 2021, THE CDBG AND HOME FUNDS NEED TO BE USED TO SUPPORT EXISTING PROGRAMS, HELPING IN COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT LIKE THE EAST COUNTY TRANSITIONAL CENTER AND THE HOME START RENTAL AND UTILITIES ASSISTANCE FROM STEPHANIE HARPER.

HOW MUCH MONEY YOU GOT SPENT LAST YEAR ON FIRST-TIME BUYER PROGRAM AND REPAIRS FOR MOBILE HOMES, QUESTION MARK.

HOW MANY PEOPLE GOT HELP FROM THOSE FUNDS? I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THE FUNDS SETTING IN A POOL FOR WHATEVER HELPS FULFILL THE NEEDS.

THE FUNDING IS FOR, WE COULD BE USING THIS FUNDS A LITTLE BETTER BECAUSE IT SEEMS THAT PROBLEMS GET WORSE EVERY YEAR.

OUR SENIORS NEED MORE HELP THAN WE ARE GIVING THEM MEALS ON WHEELS IS IMPORTANT.

SO THAT MANY COUPS CAN'T FIX A MEAL FOR THEMSELVES.

ISN'T FEEDING OUR SENIORS A PRIORITY BEFORE A SWIMMING POOL.

AND IF NOT, IT SHOULD BE FROM ALANA.

UM, MY NAME IS ALANA FROM EAST COUNTY BIPAP.

FIRST, WE NEED TO ADDRESS HOW LAST WEEK STEVE AND BILL WELLS WERE INCREDIBLY CONDESCENDING TO DANIELLE CO-FOUNDER OF OUR GROUP.

YOU OWE HER AN APOLOGY FOR YOUR BEHAVIOR, QUESTIONING HER ON THE BUDGET.

WHEN YOU KNEW EXACTLY WHERE YOU CAN GET THE FUNDS FOR THESE PROGRAMS, YOU SEE TLC IS ONLY ONE PROGRAM THAT IS DOING THIS KIND OF WORK.

AND YOU WERE CONTENT WITH THAT.

CONSIDERING THE HUGE NEED TO GET PEOPLE HOUSES.

I APPRECIATE THE GREAT WORK THEY HAVE PROVIDING.

HOWEVER, WE NEED MORE PROGRAMS THAT ARE ADDRESSING THE IMMENSE NEED FOR HOUSING.

THE COVID-19 RELIEF FUNDING CAN GO TO THE PROGRAMS THAT UPLIFT OUR UNHOUSED NEIGHBORS.

YOU'RE SPENDING $38 MILLION ON POLICE ALREADY COMPARED TO THE 1.5 FOR HOMELESS OUTREACH.

UM, LAST WEEK, MR. GOBBLER, YOU TOLD DANIELLE IT TAKES MONEY TO KEEP PROGRAMS GOING YET.

YOU HAVE 34 MILLION COMING IN FROM THE AMERICAN RESCUE ACT ALREADY TO BE USED FOR PEOPLE WHO REALLY NEED IT.

ARE YOU NOT AWARE OF YOUR OWN CITY BUDGET OR WERE YOU BEING UNINTENTIONALLY MISLEADING EITHER WAY IT'S NEGLIGENT TO BECOME PLACED WHILE CITIZENS ARE STARVING AND UNHOUSED, WHILE YOU CONTINUE TO INCREASE THE POLICE BUDGET BY MILLIONS OF DOLLARS, IT'S A CYCLE.

YOU STOP FUNDING PROGRAMS, PROGRAMS THAT HOUSE PEOPLE WITH NO TRANSITIONAL PROGRAMS IN PLACE, THEN YOU CRIMINALIZE THE HOMELESS BY PASSING ORDINANCES THAT MAKE IT ILLEGAL FOR THEM TO GET THEIR BASIC NEEDS FOR SURVIVAL.

THEN YOU INCREASE THE POLICE BUDGET TO ENFORCE THOSE LAWS.

SO WE ARE WELL AWARE OF YOUR BUDGET AND WE'LL BE HOLDING YOU ACCOUNTABLE ACCORDINGLY.

EXCUSE ME.

CAN I INTERRUPT YOU FOR ONE SECOND? MR. GALL WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK WELL, I'LL I'LL WAIT TILL THEN.

THEY'RE BOTH ANONYMOUS.

I AM IN SUPPORTIVE FUNDING FOR HOUSING AND RENTAL ASSISTANCE AS OKLAHOMA POLICE DEPARTMENT DOESN'T NEED MORE FUNDING.

AND THE LAST COMMENT, UM, I AM IN SUPPORTIVE CDBG FUNDING FOR THE COMMUNITY POLICING PROGRAM FOR $49,107 AND HAVE COMMENTS.

UH, ANY MORE COMMENTS FROM THE AUDIENCE? NO, SIR.

NO MORE COMMENTS YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK.

MR. MANAGER, BUT THAT'S NOT EVEN A, UH, ACCURATE TRADE-OFF RIGHT WITH, THESE ARE NOT FUNDS THAT ARE EITHER OR FOR HOUSING OR FOR POLICE BUDGETS.

YEAH, PLEASE COME UP.

ANYBODY CAN, THANK YOU.

SORRY FOR NOT SUBMITTING A CARD.

I WAS INSPIRED TO SPEAK AFTER THE TRAIN OF COMMENTS REGARDING POLICE FUNDING IN LIEU OF THE CDB S C FUNDING, WHICH IS NOT EVEN A CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG,

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OKAY, GO AHEAD PLEASE.

SO, UM, THEY ARE NOT EITHER OR, I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT PLACES, A LOT OF LIMITATIONS ON HOW THESE FUNDS CAN BE USED.

AND, UH, I WISH A LOT OF THESE FOLKS THAT MADE THESE COMMENTS COULD BE YOUR PERSONALLY, BECAUSE I THINK IT'D BE GOOD TO HAVE A LITTLE CIVICS LESSON ABOUT, ABOUT CDBG.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S IMPORTANT, I'M STEALING THE SPEAKER'S TIME.

BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S IMPORTANT TO RECOGNIZE IS OF ALL THE FEDERAL FUNDING THAT WE GET ONLY 15% CAN BE USED FOR SERVICES.

SO THE REST HAS TO BE USED ACTUALLY FOR CAPITAL.

SO, SO PITTING A SWIMMING POOL VERSUS A HOMELESS PROGRAM IS NOT A FAIR COMPARISON BECAUSE WE HAVE TO USE, UH, 85% OF IT ON CAPITAL TYPE OF PROJECT.

SO THE REALITY IS OF THE S OF THE MONEY THAT WE CAN USE FOR SERVICE RELATED PROJECTS.

50% OF IT IS GOING TO HOMELESS PROGRAMMING.

UM, ANOTHER 16% IS GOING FOR FEEDING SENIORS AND THE REMAINDER 30% OR SO IS GOING FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECT.

SO, UH, I THINK S STAFF IS PROUD OF THE BALANCE THAT WE'VE PRESENTED THE CITY COUNCIL, AND I THINK IT REFLECTS THE NEEDS OF OUR COMMUNITY.

I APPRECIATE YOU MAKING THAT CALL.

THANK YOU FOR THAT GRANULARITY AND SORRY FOR ADDRESSING STAFF DIRECTLY.

SPEAKING TO MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, I AM THE OWNER AND OPERATOR OF AAO SWORD FIREARMS ON MAIN STREET IN ALCOHOL.

AND, UH, WE HAVE CERTAIN LICENSES THAT, UH, UH, PARTICULARLY POSITIONED US TO SERVE SPECIFICALLY LAW ENFORCEMENT, UH, LOCAL POLICE DEPARTMENTS, INCLUDING ECP D AND WITHOUT, UH, GIVING TOO MUCH AWAY.

I WILL TELL YOU THAT THERE HAVE, IN SEVERAL INSTANCES, MULTIPLE EAST COUNTY DEPARTMENTS, INCLUDING UCPD WE'VE, UH, BEEN ASKED FOR QUOTES THAT SAID, HEY, THAT'S RIGHT IN LINE.

THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE NEED TO REPLACE AGING EQUIPMENT, OR BRING ON THE LATEST TECHNOLOGY AND THEN FIND OUT, OH, I'M SORRY, WE ACTUALLY CAN'T PURCHASE A, THIS YEAR'S BUDGET IS EXTREMELY TIGHT.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DELAY THOSE PURCHASES UNTIL FOR, FOR BASIC POLICING EQUIPMENT, UH, UNTIL THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR.

SO THAT'S MY PROFESSIONAL INSIGHT INTO WHERE POLICE BUDGETS ARE RIGHT NOW.

I APPRECIATE IT.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR DAVID? THANKS, CHUCK.

ARE WE FINISHED HERE? ALL RIGHT, THEN I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

SECOND, PLEASE VOTE MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.

THEIR NUMBER ONE CONCERN IS A SAFETY OF THEIR KIDS, AND THEY WANT TO LIVE IN A PLACE WHERE THEY DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THE DRUG DEALERS, LIVING IN THE APARTMENTS AND, UH, YOU KNOW, BAD THINGS HAPPENING TO THEIR KIDS.

IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION OR SO WOULD LIKE TO PROCEED WITH A MOTION? OH, STEVE, YOU NEVER REALLY GOT A CHANCE TO SPEAK.

I'M SORRY.

I TOO WISH THE MANY OF THE PEOPLE WHO SUBMITTED ONLINE COMMENTS COULD BE HERE BECAUSE REALLY A DIALOGUE IS ASKING QUESTIONS AND NOT MAKING ASSUMPTIONS AND BOTH SIDES IN A CONVERSATION, ASK QUESTIONS.

AND I THINK THERE ARE SOME ASSUMPTIONS HERE.

WHAT YOU'RE JUST ERRONEOUS, WHICH IS TOO BAD, BECAUSE A CONVERSATION IS WHERE YOU MEET IN THE MIDDLE TO ASK QUESTIONS AND LEARN FROM EACH OTHER.

AND, AND YOU WALK AWAY KNOWLEDGEABLE ON THIS CASE.

THERE'S AN ASSUMPTION THAT THERE'S NO MONEY GOING TO SUPPORT LOW-INCOME WITH THE CRIME-FREE HOUSING ALLOCATION.

THERE'S AN ASSUMPTION THAT IT'S, UH, NOT HELPING THE WORKING CLASS SEVERELY IMPACTED THAT WE SHOULD USE IT ON HOUSING PROGRAMS, UH, THAT WE SHOULD USE IT ON HOMELESS IN THE STREETS.

UM, I, I THINK THIS CRIME FREE MULTI-HOUSING PROGRAM, WHAT IT DOES IS IT IMPROVES THE QUALITY OF LIFE OF LOW INCOME PEOPLE.

IT GOES TO IT TO AN APARTMENT COMPLEX AND TRAINS THEM HOW TO TAKE AN APPLICANT WHO WILL BECOME A MEMBER OF THAT APARTMENT COMMUNITY, WHO WILL BE PRODUCTIVE AND HELPFUL TO THE OTHER MEMBERS OF THAT APARTMENT COMMUNITY SO THAT THE POLICE DON'T HAVE TO GO OUT AND HANDLE DISRUPTIONS.

SO THIS CRIME-FREE REALLY HELPS RAISE THE QUALITY OF LIFE IN THOSE 800 OR SO UNITS.

I THINK THAT I'LL PARTICIPATE IN THIS PROGRAM.

SO IT'S, IT'S ACTUALLY RAISING THE STANDARD OF LIVING, UH, FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE IN LOW-INCOME, WHICH IS WHAT THIS MONEY IS FOR TO HELP PEOPLE OF LOW INCOME.

SO IT'S, THERE'S A TERRIBLE MISUNDERSTANDING OF THE VALUE THAT POLICE PROVIDE JUST AS ADMINISTRATORS IN TRAINING, THESE PEOPLE, HOW TO RAISE THE STANDARDS OF THE QUALITY OF LIFE, WHERE THERE ARE COMPLEX.

I, I I'LL STOP THERE.

WE HAVE A, A LOT OF LOW-INCOME PEOPLE THAT LIVE ON THE VALLEY FLOOR ARE JUST GETTING BY A LOT OF SINGLE MOMS AND THEY WANT TO LIVE

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AND THIS PROGRAM THAT'S CARRIED OUT MAKES, TEACHES THE LANDLORDS, NOT TO RENT TO PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO BE PROBLEMS. AND WHEN THEY DO CAUSE PROBLEMS, THEY TEACH THEM HOW TO SOLVE THOSE PROBLEMS. AND THAT KEEPS THESE SINGLE MOMS AND THEIR CHILDREN SAFE.

SO I THINK THERE IS SOME MISCONCEPTION BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT THE PEOPLE THAT CONTACTED US ABOUT THIS, I THINK THEY'VE GOT THE WRONG IDEA.

WE'RE DOING IT TO KEEP KIDS SAFE.

AND I DON'T SEE HOW ANYBODY COULD BE AGAINST THAT IF THEY REALLY KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.

ANYONE ELSE? YEAH.

I JUST WANT TO FOLLOW UP.

I REMEMBER THE, THE, THE PERSON FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ASSIGNED TO THIS PROGRAM, SAMANTHA SHORT, SHE WAS A NON-SWORN OFFICER, A NON UNIFORMED OFFICER, BUT SHE WAS WITHIN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT BECAUSE SHE HAD KNOWLEDGE OF THE KINDS OF THINGS TO KEEP PEOPLE SAFE.

THAT'S THE DOMAIN OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO KEEP PEOPLE SAFE AND IN A VERY NON ESCALATING, A VERY DEESCALATING, UH, ATTIRE THAT SHE WOULD WEAR AND AN APPROACH THAT SHE WOULD TAKE.

UH, ABSOLUTELY.

IT WAS AN APPROPRIATE ADMINISTRATOR AND I THINK THEY HANDLE IT.

THEY HANDLE IT, UH, EXCELLENTLY.

AND I BELIEVE THEY HELP KEEP PEOPLE FROM BECOMING HOMELESS BECAUSE OF THE QUALITY OF LIFE THAT THEY RAISE IN THOSE COMPLEXES.

EXCELLENT POINT.

ANYBODY ELSE? LAST TIME WE GET A SOAPBOX, I'M GOING TO GET A BITE.

SO ADDRESSING CDBG FUNDS IN THE, IN THE, AND THE ORGANIZATIONS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE GIVE THIS, THESE MONIES TO, AND THIS IS KIND OF A FOLLOWUP COMMENT FROM TWO WEEKS AGO, A MEETING, UM, WITH REGARD TO THE MOTEL VOUCHER PROGRAM, UM, COMMENTS BASED OFF OF THE DATA THAT WE HAVE FROM LAST WEEK WITH REGARD TO HOUSING PEOPLE, PERMANENTLY HOMELESS PEOPLE, WE SPENT $3,925 PER PERSON TO HOUSE TO GET THESE INDIVIDUALS PERMANENT HOUSING WITH THE HOTEL HOTEL VOUCHER PROGRAM.

THERE'S EASY TLC.

WE ONLY SPENT A THOUSAND DOLLARS, 1000, $21 PER PERSON TO GET PERMANENT HOUSING.

SO WHEN WE LOOK AT PROGRAMS AND WHERE WE'RE GETTING THE MOST BANG FOR OUR BUCK, WHICH MEANS HOW MANY PEOPLE WE CAN HELP GET OFF THE STREETS, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT.

THERE'S A LIMITED AMOUNT OF MONEY, JUST LIKE OUR CITY MANAGER SAID, WHERE IS THIS MONEY MOST, UH, WHERE'S THIS MONEY BEING USED MOST EFFECTIVELY.

WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE MONEY.

AND SO WHEN WE AWARD THIS MONEY, WE'RE ALWAYS EVALUATING HOW MANY PEOPLE CAN WE HELP WITH THE LIMITED AMMAN AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WE HAVE.

AND WHEN WE LOOK AT THE NUMBERS, WHEN IT'S ALMOST A $3,000 DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AN INDIVIDUAL GETTING PERMANENT HOUSING, WE THAT'S X AMOUNT OF PEOPLE MORE WE CAN HELP.

SO, UM, I, I'M PROUD OF THE WAY WE'RE SPENDING THIS MONEY, THE WAY WE'RE ALLOCATING IT.

AND I THINK I, AS OUR CITY MANAGER SAID, IT REFLECTS THE NEEDS OF THE CITY.

THERE'S A LOT OF NEEDS IN THE CITY.

I MEAN, I WISH WE COULD JUST SNAP A FINGER AND WAVE A MAGIC WAND AND HAVE IT ALL DISAPPEARED, BUT WE HAVE TO TRIAGE AND WE HAVE TO USE THIS MONEY EFFECTIVELY.

I THINK THAT'S A, I THINK WE DO A GREAT JOB DOING THAT.

NO, I WASN'T GONNA SAY ANYTHING, BUT I, I FEEL OBLIGATED TO SAY SOMETHING.

THE SPIRIT OF THESE QUESTIONS REFLECTS WHAT I BELIEVE IT WAS A NATIONAL CAMPAIGN TO ATTACK.

SO YOU ATTACK POLICE OFFICERS.

THIS IS A SERIOUS, AND FOR BOTH SIDES, SOCIETAL PERSPECTIVE IS SUICIDAL.

WE ARE ALREADY SEEING WHAT'S HAPPENING NATIONWIDE.

AS A RESULT OF THESE KINDS OF CAMPAIGNS.

WE ARE SEEING IN NEW YORK CITY RIGHT NOW, THE OFFICERS THAT HAVE ASKED FOR RETIREMENT IS UP 70% OVER LAST YEAR.

AND MANY OF THE LARGE CITIES WE'VE SEEN SEVERAL HUNDRED PERCENT INCREASE IN RAPES IN ASSAULTS AND MURDERS.

POLICE OFFICERS ARE FACED WITH TERRIBLE DECISIONS RIGHT NOW THEY'RE FACED WITH HAVING TO DO THEIR JOB AND PROTECT PEOPLE THE WAY THEY KNOW HOW, BUT EVERY TIME THEY DO SO THEY RISK IMPRISONMENT AND ATTACK.

I KNOW THAT PEOPLE ARE TRENCHED IN THEIR PHILOSOPHIES.

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I KNOW THAT WHAT MY WORDS WILL PROBABLY FALL UPON DEAF EARS, BUT I BEG EVERY PERSON OUT THERE TO LOOK AT THEIR HEARTS AND LOOK AT WHAT'S BEST FOR AMERICA ATTACK AIR POLICE IS NOT THE ANSWER.

IT ALL RESULTED MORE DEATHS OF INNOCENT PEOPLE.

AND I PERSONALLY WILL FIGHT TO PROTECT THE INTEGRITY OF OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT, AS LONG AS I'M AN ELECTED OFFICIAL.

THANK YOU T TO BRING THAT BACK TO THE, THE CDBG ELEMENT OF THIS THING, UH, SOMETIMES WE HEAR, UH, THE POLICE SHOULD NOT BE INVOLVED WITH THE HOMELESS, UH, THAT YOU SHOULD HAVE SOCIAL WORKERS AND, UH, CLINICIANS WITH WHAT I WITNESSED YESTERDAY MORNING.

I CAN'T IMAGINE A SOCIAL WORKER RUNNING INTO TRAFFIC, TRYING TO BUY HER, HIM OR HERSELF SECURELY THE AVID TRAFFIC FOR HER SAFETY, FOR THE MENTALLY ILL HOMELESS PERSON SAFETY.

I CAN'T IMAGINE THAT HAPPENING.

I ALSO CAN'T IMAGINE A SOCIAL WORKER GOING INTO THE CANYONS OF SOME PARTS OF THE CITY, WHERE WE FIND HOMELESS PEOPLE LIVING AND WHERE WE KNOW TWO OF THOSE PEOPLE ARE WANTED ON FELONY WARRANTS FROM THE STATE OF TENNESSEE.

I CAN'T IMAGINE SENDING A SOCIAL WORKER INTO THOSE ENVIRONMENTS.

I SAW WITH MY OWN EYES.

I GOT EMOTIONAL ABOUT IT.

I SAW IT WITH MY OWN EYES.

THE POLICE TREAT THIS WOMAN WITH RESPECT.

UH, SO IF, IS THERE ANY MORE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE ITEM? UH, I, I I'M ENTERTAINING A MOTION AT THIS POINT, UH, MOVED TO, UH, FINALIZE ALLOCATIONS OF CDBG AND HOME FUNDS AS PART AS THE 20 AS PART OF THE 2021, 2022 TO ONE YEAR ACTION PLAN AND ADOPT NEXT RESOLUTION.

UH, IS THAT ALL WE NEED? OH, THAT'S VICE.

MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.

THANK YOU, ANGELA.

[9. Adoption of the Annual Adjustment to the SANDAG Regional Transportation Congestion Improvement Program (RTCIP) Development Impact Fee RECOMMENDATION: That the City Council: Opens the public hearing and receives testimony; Closes the public hearing; and Adopts the next Resolution, in order, approving an adjustment to the Regional Transportation Congestion Improvement Program (RTCIP) Development Impact Fee to the new amount of $2,635.50, for each newly-constructed residential unit.]

ABIDE TO THE ADOPTION OF AN ANNUAL ADJUSTMENT TO THE SAY THAT REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION COULD GESTURE TO APPROVE A PROGRAM.

I'LL ASK STAFF TO INTRODUCE THIS ITEM.

HI, HOW ARE YOU? GOOD, GOOD AFTERNOON.

MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.

MY NAME IS MARIO SANCHEZ.

I'M THE CITY TRAFFIC ENGINEER FOR THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT.

UM, THIS ITEM IS OUR, OUR ANNUAL ADJUSTMENT TO THE RTC IP OR REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION CONGESTION IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM, UH, FEE.

AND IT'S A ANNUAL FEE, WHICH IS COLLECTED EACH YEAR OR AT CLINT COLLECTED.

IT'S UPDATED, USED TO BEAR TO, UH, UM, FALL IN LINE WITH THE, UH, THE, THE REGIONS SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA CONSTRUCTION COST INDEX.

AND THIS PA CONSTRUCTION COST INDEX IS BASED ON FOUR AREAS.

LUMBERG LUMBER COSTS, CONCRETE, STRUCTURAL STEEL AND LABOR COSTS.

SO THIS PAST YEAR, UM, IT ONLY GREW THE MINIMUM GROWTH WAS ONLY 0.3%.

SO THIS YEAR THE FEE WILL BE INCREASED BY 2%.

AND THE PROPOSED AMOUNT IS RIGHT THERE.

IT'S $2,635 AND 50 CENTS FOR A NEW SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING UNIT OR AN INCREASE OF $51 AND 68 CENTS.

FOR NEXT YEAR.

THESE FEES ARE USED FOR STREET IMPROVEMENTS TO FUND HELP FUND STREET IMPROVEMENTS AND THE RE UH, ALONG ALL OUR REGIONAL ARTERIALS.

AND NEXT YEAR WE HAVE, UH, ABOUT $700,000 THAT WE'RE GOING TO PROGRAM FOR A STREET PROGRAM PROJECTS WITH THAT I CAN OPEN UP FOR QUESTIONS.

THANKS FOR, I APPRECIATE THAT.

THE QUESTIONS FOR MARIA.

WELL, YOU'RE WELCOME.

UH, WE'RE GOING TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

ANGELA, DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS? WE HAVE NO COMMENTS, SIR.

SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO THE CLOSED PUBLIC AREA.

PLEASE VOTE MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE, RIGHT? THIS IS KIND OF PERFUNCTORY HOUSEKEEPING OUT OF, UH, LOOKING FOR A MOTION MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.

HEARING THAT THAT IS A JEBUSITE

UH, OUR LAST PUBLIC

[10. Adoption of New Fees; Modification, Reorganization and Elimination of Existing Fees; Amendment of Schedule of Miscellaneous Fees; and Amendment of El Cajon City Council Policy E-7 (Community Center Facility Use Policy) RECOMMENDATION: That the City Council: Opens the public hearing and receives testimony; Closes the public hearing; and Adopts the next Resolution, in order, to: modify certain existing fees; reorganize the responsibility for fees; add and delete certain fees; amend the City Schedule of Miscellaneous Fees to reflect such changes; and amend City Council Policy E-7 (Community Center Facility Use Policy).]

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OF TED ADOPTION OF MISCELLANEOUS FEES, STAFF POLICE TELEPHONE.

THANK YOU, MARION CITY COUNCIL.

THIS IS THE ANNUAL REVIEW OF FEES AND CHARGES FROM VARIOUS CITY DEPARTMENTS IN PREPARATION OF THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR.

UH, SOMETIMES THIS COMES LATER IN THE, THE CURRENT FISCAL YEAR AND WE KIND OF GOT TO JUMP ON IT THIS YEAR.

SO YOU'RE SEEING IT AT THIS MEETING.

UM, IF YOU'LL RECALL THESE FEES ARE THOSE THAT THEY'RE JUST TYPICALLY FOR DEVELOPMENT KIND OF, UH, COSTS AND EXPENSES, BUT ALSO, BUT ALSO RECREATION, UH, FIRE AS WELL AS POLICE ACTIVE, UH, POLICE DEPARTMENT, UM, FEES AND CHARGES, UH, AND THEY'RE REFLECTED IN THE AGENDA REPORT.

I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT ONE OF THE BIGGEST CHANGES IS THE CHANGE FROM HAVING THE BUILDING DIVISION HANDLE FIRE INSPECTIONS AND MOVING THOSE TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, WHERE THEY HAVE A FIRE MARSHAL THAT D UH, AND UH, OTHER STAFF THAT PERFORM THESE INSPECTIONS.

SO A LOT OF THE CHANGE YOU'LL SEE IN THE RED LINE CHANGE OF THE SCHEDULE OF FEES RELATES TO MOVING THOSE FEES FROM ONE DEPARTMENT TO THE OTHER DEPARTMENT.

UM, ANOTHER HIGHLIGHT IS THE, UM, UH, THE BUILDING PERMIT TYPE OF CALCULATIONS, THE CITY, LIKE ALL CITIES IN THE STATE IS REQUIRED TO USE VALUATION SCHEDULES, AND THESE VALUATION SCHEDULES ARE DETERMINED LOCALLY.

SO WE HAVE A SAN DIEGO CHAPTER SO THAT WE'RE NOT, UH, USING THE SAME SCALES AS, UH, YUBA COUNTY OR, UH, SAN FRANCISCO, CITY AND COUNTY.

AND, UH, SO, UH, APPLYING THAT TO THE FEES WILL RESULT IN A SOMEWHAT HIGHER BUILDING PERMIT FEES AND INSPECTION FEES, UM, UH, SHOULD NOTE THAT THAT HAS NOT BEEN CHANGED SINCE I THINK 2006, BUT I RECALL, UM, 16, I'M SORRY.

I FORGOT TO DIGIT.

UH, SO IT'S BEEN FOUR YEARS SINCE HAS BEEN CHANGED.

UM, OTHER HIGHLIGHTS ARE ALSO ADDING, UH, WHAT WE WOULD CALL AS A, UM, A USER FEE FOR THOSE THAT PAY WITH DEBIT AND CREDIT CARDS FOR FIRE DEPARTMENT AND PARKS AND, UM, POLICE ACTIVE, UH, POLICE, UH, FEES AND PERMITS THAT ARE BEING, UM, PROCESSED BY THOSE DEPARTMENTS.

WE HAVE TO PAY THAT TO THE CONTRACTOR THAT HANDLES THE ONLINE SERVICE FOR US.

SO WE'RE SIMPLY JUST PASSING THAT THROUGH.

THERE ARE OTHER PASS-THROUGHS THAT ARE LISTED IN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, UM, RE PORTION OF THE REPORT, AND THAT INCLUDES, UH, STATE MANDATED INSPECTIONS ON A BIENNIAL OR EVERY TWO YEAR BASIS, SOME ON AN ANNUAL SOMEONE BIENNIAL BASIS.

SO THOSE ARE NEW FEES THAT ARE GOING TO BE CHARGED TO, UM, SOME HOSPITALS, BUT ALSO, UH, NURSING HOMES AND CONVALESCENT HOSPITALS, AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

AND THAT PAYS FOR STRICTLY FOR THE COST OF PROVIDING THOSE SERVICES AND INSPECTIONS THAT ARE MANDATED BY THE STATE.

SO AS YOU CAN SEE BY THE REPORT, THERE ARE A LOT OF CHANGES, BUT, UM, ALL OF THEM ARE BASED ON THE REASONABLE ANTICIPATED COST TO PROVIDE THE SERVICES AS REQUIRED BY LAW.

UM, I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE, AND I THINK THERE'S, THEY'RE REPRESENTATIVES FROM EACH OF THE DEPARTMENTS WHO COULD ALSO ANSWER THE MORE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.

MORGAN, THANK YOU FOR THAT REPORT.

ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS? ALL RIGHT.

SEE YOU, BILL.

I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK ABS IF WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS.

YES, SIR.

WE HAVE ONE COMMENT OR ONE CARD FROM MR. DAVID CHANG.

HELLO, DAVID.

WELCOME.

THANK YOU, FRANCE ON CITY COUNCIL AND STAFF.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR RUNNING THE, UH, THE CITY IN WHICH I WANT TO LIVE.

UM, I OWN AOL SWORD FIREARMS AGAIN, MAIN STREET IN OKLAHOMA.

UH, I FORGIVE YOU FOR NOT KNOWING EVERY INDIVIDUAL LINE ITEM OF THE 61 PAGES OF FEES IN YOUR AGENDA.

IF YOU WANT TO FOLLOW ALONG, UH, PAGE ONE 30 IN TOTAL OR A NINE OF EXHIBIT A, UH, THERE IS ONE SPECIFIC FEE I WANT TO CALL YOUR ATTENTION TO, UH, IT'S A 500 AND SOMETHING DOLLAR FEE, UH, FOR SECOND HAND DEALERS AND KIOSKS SECONDHAND STORES AND KIOSKS.

THIS IS SEPARATE FROM A PAWNBROKER FEE, WHICH IS A ANOTHER 500 AND SOMETHING DOLLAR FEE.

UM, THIS SPECIFICALLY IS APPLIED TO PEOPLE WHO DEAL IN USED GOODS, UH, AS A FIREARM STORE, WE BUY AND SELL USED FIREARMS. AND I UNDERSTAND THE PURPOSE OF THE FEE THAT, UH, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT COMES IN CHECKS, SERIAL NUMBERS, WHERE APPLICABLE CHECKS, UM, UH, ITEM DESCRIPTIONS THAT ARE, UH, OUR FRIEND, UH, THE PAWN SHOP NEXT DOOR.

UH, AND THEY MAKE SURE THAT NOTHING'S IN A STOLEN RECORDS, STOLEN DATABASE RECORD.

UM, HOWEVER, SINCE THIS PROGRAM'S INCEPTION, UH, FIVE OR SIX YEARS AGO, I THINK, UM, WE'VE BEEN PAYING THE FEE, BUT WE ARE NOT, UH, INSPECTED BY THE POLICE, UH, BECAUSE WHEN THEY IMPLEMENTED THE PROGRAM, THEY, THEY REALIZED VERY EARLY ON, OH MY GOODNESS, YOU ALREADY ARE SUBJECT TO THE STATE FEES

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AND THE STATE REGULATION, WHICH TRACKS ALL OF OUR SERIAL NUMBERS ONLINE IN A REAL TIME FORMAT.

WE DON'T NEED, UH, AN OFFICER TO COME OUT AND INSPECT OUR LOG BOOK.

WE'RE DOING ALL OF THAT IN REAL TIME WITH A, WITH A STATE AGENCY, THE DOJ, AS WELL AS THE, UH, UH, ATF, UH, FEDERALLY.

SO, UM, WE HAVE BEEN PAYING THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS OVER THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS FOR THIS, UM, CITY FEE, I THINK UNFAIRLY BECAUSE THE CITY IS NOT TASKED WITH, UH, PERFORMING OF ANY, ANY OF THAT OVERSIGHT OR INSPECTION SPECIFICALLY ON A GUN DEALER.

NOW, I'M NOT ASKING FOR YOU TO REPEAL THE, UH, FEE IN TOTAL.

I THINK IT IS VERY APPLICABLE AND NECESSARY FOR GOLD DEALERS AND MAYBE THRIFT STORES OR OTHER PEOPLE WHO DON'T DEAL IN, UH, ITEMS THAT ARE SO HIGHLY REGULATED AS FIREARMS. BUT FOR US WHO ARE IN FACT LOGGING AND RECORDING AND REPORTING IN REAL TIME ONLINE, THOSE FIREARMS, SERIAL NUMBERS, AND THEY ARE, BUT COMPARED TO A NATIONAL DATABASE AND ALL OF THE CRIME BACKGROUNDS AND SO FORTH, UH, UH, I WOULD LIKE FOR A CARVE OUT SPECIFICALLY FOR, FOR BUSINESSES LIKE MINE, WHICH ARE ALREADY REGULATED TO NOT BE SUBJECT TO THAT FEE.

WHAT ARE TWO FEES RIGHT THERE? SO, UH, WE PAY TWO FEES.

ONE IS A STATE SECONDHAND DEALER'S LICENSE, WHICH PRESUMABLY COVERS THE ACTIVITIES THAT THEY ARE PERFORMING AND, UH, OVERSEEING OUR ACTIVITIES.

AND THEN A SECOND FEE TO THE CITY.

IF WE WERE UPON BROKER, WE WOULD ALSO PAY A THIRD FEE AS A PAWNBROKER, UH, FOR THAT SECONDHAND DEALER FEE.

IT'S A FEW LINES HIGHER ON THAT SAME PAGE.

UM, BUT THOSE ARE TWO SEPARATE CITY FEES, CITY OF OKLAHOMA FEES PAWNBROKER AND SECOND HAND, UH, SALES AND KIOSKS, BUT YOU'RE NOT PAID TO CITY FEES.

I AM PAYING ONE CITY FEE.

ALL RIGHT, GREG, COULD YOU, I THOUGHT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THIS BOTH BEFORE THE, THE ISSUE WAS THERE'S TWO FEES.

I THOUGHT THERE WERE TWO FEES TOO.

I THOUGHT THERE WOULD BE A SECOND HAND.

UM, SO MAYBE WE'VE BEEN UNDERCHARGING MR. CHONG, BUT ANYWAY, SO WE ARE NOT A PAWNBROKER, SO WE DO NOT ACCEPT, UM, PONDS OR AN, OR NOR DO WE DO POND REDEMPTIONS.

THERE'S A FIREARMS DEALER FEE, AND WE DO PAY THAT AS WELL, BUT YEAH.

AND THEN THERE'S THE SECOND HAND FEE.

SO THOSE ARE THE TWO FEES THAT I BELIEVE THAT ARE BEING CHARGED TO AAO SORTS.

HOW MUCH DOES THE FIREARMS DEALER FEE? UM, THAT'S 600 AND OKAY.

THE SECOND HAND DEALER IS SIX 40 AND THEN THE FIREARM OR THE FIREARM DEALER IS SIX 40.

AND THE SECOND HAND BROKER FEE IS FIVE OH FIVE.

AND I, I DON'T CONTEST THE FIREARMS DEALER FEE.

I THINK THAT WE ARE A SPECIALIZED BUSINESS, UM, UH, FRANKLY WITH A LARGE STORE OF FIREARMS AND MUNITIONS, UH, WITHIN THE CITY.

I THINK THAT PRESENTS A SPECIAL CASE FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT.

AND, UH, YEAH, THE REASON I BRING THAT UP IS I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR AS TO ALL THE FEES YOU'RE PAYING FOR YOUR RIGHT TO EXIST TO KEEP BUSINESS.

THEN WE DO PAY A STANDARD BUSINESS LICENSE FEE AS WELL.

OH, WHAT'S GETTING IN, WHAT IS EXACTLY IN THE NAME OF THE REDUNDANT PAIRS TO BE A REDUNDANT FEE YOU'RE PAYING YOU, DID THE STATE CHECKS ALL THE SERIAL NUMBERS, RIGHT? SO THAT IS THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE, SECONDHAND DEALER'S LICENSE.

AND THEN THERE'S ALSO A, UH, SECOND HAND STORES AND KIOSKS FEE FROM THE CITY.

SO THE STATE IS A AS A PERMIT, A SECOND-HAND DEALERS PERMIT, AND THIS, THE SIX HAND STORES AND KIOSKS IS FROM THE CITY.

IS THERE ANYTHING THAT THE CITY DOES THAT ON THAT SECOND HAND STORES AND KIOSKS FEE THAT THE STATE DOESN'T ABSOLUTELY NOT.

NO TWICE ONCE WHEN IT WAS IN, UH, IN ITS INCEPTION.

AND THEN SECOND, WHEN THERE WAS MAYBE A CHANGE OF GUARD, UH, OVER THE, UH, SUPERVISOR WHO WAS OVERSEEING THAT PROGRAM FOR THE CITY, WE'VE TWICE GOT VISITED.

WHAT DO YOU GUYS DO? WELL, THIS IS MORE THAN WE EVEN ASKED FOR, AND YOU'RE DOING IT IN REAL TIME, AS OPPOSED TO IN ARREARS PERIODICALLY.

SO OTHER THAN THOSE TWO TIMES, BOTH OF WHICH WERE EXPLORATORY AND WAVED OFF, WE'VE NEVER BEEN INSPECTED VISITED OR, UM, YOU KNOW, REGULATED BECAUSE WE'RE, WE COLLECT MORE INFORMATION AND REPORT IT IN A MORE TIMELY MANNER THAN THE CITY CAN KEEP UP WITH.

BEING CHARGED A FEE FOR THE TYPE OF BUSINESS THEY'RE IN FIREARMS DEALER.

I'M MISSING, UH, FROM CITY STAFF, I'M MISSING WHY THIS PARTICULAR TYPE OF BUSINESS A GUN STORE WOULD BE CONSIDERED A SECONDHAND STORE.

WHAT AM I MISSING? BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE THEY'RE ALREADY

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AND WHY AM I MISSING THAT? THEY'RE ALSO BEING CHARGED AS A SECONDHAND STORE WHEN THEY'RE NOT REALLY THE SECONDHAND STORE, BECAUSE THEY'RE SELLING MORE THAN JUST OFF THE FACTORY LINE GUNS OR, OR FIREARMS ARE SELLING THERE, THEY'RE PURCHASING, AND THEN THEY'RE RESELLING THOSE FIREARMS. SO THAT WOULD MAKE THEM THE SECOND HAND, I GUESS I COULD SEE THE ARGUMENT.

THAT'S ALL PART OF WHAT BEING A FIREARMS DEALER.

I COULD SEE THAT POINT OF VIEW.

UM, IS THERE ANY OTHER ARGUMENTS OR REASON? WELL, ONE THING I WANT TO CHECK ON AND I DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER TO THIS, BUT I THINK THE FEE THAT THE $505 FEE IS JUST THE FIRST APPLICATION.

SO WHEN SOMEBODY COMES IN FOR A SECONDHAND DEALER OR THAT SORT OF BUSINESS, WE CHARGE IN THAT FEE TO, TO INVESTIGATE AND THEN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION FOR A SPECIAL OPERATIONS LICENSE, THAT LICENSE GETS RENEWED.

BUT I DON'T KNOW WHETHER WE CHARGE THAT EVERY YEAR.

I THINK IT'S JUST THE INITIAL APPLICATION.

I DON'T KNOW MR. SHANE'S HERE TO, TO, HE'S NOT HERE TODAY.

I THINK HE'LL COME BACK UP, BUT I THINK IT'D BE GOOD TO VISIT WITH MR. CHONG BECAUSE THE ITEM IS LABELED SPECIAL OPERATIONS LICENSE APPLICATION AND INVESTIGATION FEE.

SO I WOULD ASSUME THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THE APPLICATION, UH, INVESTIGATION, I WOULD ASSUME, UH, ON DEMAND AS NEEDED, NOT AUTOMATICALLY.

WELL, TH THE SPECIAL OPERATIONS LICENSE GOES THROUGH A VERY INTENSIVE PROCESS.

AND FOR YEARS, THE, IF I RECALL THE, THE ACTUAL APPLICATION WAS VERY MINIMAL, MAYBE $10 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, FOR EVERYBODY SEEKING A SPECIAL OPERATIONS LICENSE COUNSEL WAS INFORMED THAT THERE'S A LOT OF WORK THAT GOES INTO THIS FROM FINANCE TO POLICE, TO MY OFFICE, A CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE REVIEWS THAT, AND ALL THAT PROCESS GETS ADDS UP A LOT OF TIME.

AND SO THE ANALYSIS SHOWED THAT IT SHOULD BE REIMBURSED.

AND SO IT JUMPED UP FROM $10 FOR THE APPLICATION TO, TO THIS, THIS LEVEL THAT YOU'RE SEEING.

AND I STILL THINK IN MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THIS FEE IS NOT AN ANNUAL FEE.

THIS IS FIVE OH FIVE IS FOR SOMEBODY WHO COMES INTO THE COMMUNITY AND WANTS TO OPEN THAT BUSINESS AND REQUIRES A SPECIAL OPERATIONS LICENSE.

WHAT IT SEEMS TO BE LABELED AS LICENSE, APPLICATION INVESTIGATION.

LET ME DO SOME BACKGROUND INVESTIGATION BEFORE WE ISSUE THIS LICENSE TO YOU.

UH, BUT ONCE YOU GET IT, THEN YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE TO PAY FIVE OH FIVE ANNUALLY.

AND PERHAPS MR. CHUNG HAS BEEN ERRONEOUSLY BEEN CHARGED.

WE THANK HIM FOR HIS SERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY, BUT YES.

YEAH, HE CAN FILE A CLAIM I SUPPOSE.

BUT, UM, UH, BUT YEAH, I THINK YOU'RE CORRECT MR. GOBLE, THAT THIS WAS IN MY, MY RECOLLECTION OF THE LIST AND MY KNOWLEDGE OF THE LIST THAT THIS WAS TO BE A ONE-TIME APPLICATION FEE.

THERE WILL BE OTHER FEES THAT THEY CHARGE THAT GET CHARGED FOR AN ANNUAL SERVICES AND AN ANNUAL BUSINESS LICENSE THAT, THAT DOESN'T GO AWAY.

BUT FOR JUST TO APPLY FOR A SPECIAL OPERATIONS LICENSE, I I'M UNDER THE IMPRESSION, I, I BELIEVE IT WAS JUST A ONE-TIME.

IT COULD BE MR. CHONG IS NOT AN UNDERCHARGED AS EARLIER TALKED ABOUT, BUT YOU'VE BEEN OVERCHARGED.

SO I WOULD PROBABLY MAKE SENSE TO GET WITH CITY STAFF TO CLEAR THAT UP.

HAVE YOU EVER, UH, MICHELLE, SO MR. CHONG, SORRY.

DID I UNDERSTAND YOU CORRECTLY, THAT YOU WERE SAYING THAT YOU'RE GETTING CHARGED A FEE EVERY YEAR FOR INVESTIGATIONS OR TO, UM, LOOK AT YOUR LIST OF, UM, SERIAL NUMBERS AND A LIKE EVERY YEAR.

SO YOU GET CHARGED EVERY YEAR FOR A SERVICE THAT YOU DON'T RECEIVE.

THAT IS MY UNDERSTANDING.

UM, THAT, UH, THAT SPECIAL OPERATIONS PERMIT IS, UH, IS NOT A $600 FEE.

MAYOR WE'VE ASKED THE FINANCE DIRECTOR MAY BE COMING TO, I DON'T KNOW, BUT WE'VE BEEN IN COMMUNICATION BECAUSE HE'S WATCHING THIS ON THE ZOOM OR THE WEB, UH, WEB STREAMING, BUT, UM, AND HE MAY BE A PARTICIPANT BY ZOOM, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT, BUT I THINK HE'S JUST CONFIRMED WITH MR. MITCHELL THAT NO, THIS IS NOT AN ANNUAL FEE.

THIS IS A ONE-TIME APPLICATION FEE.

HE'S NOT GETTING CHARGED 500, $5 A YEAR AS A SPECIAL OPERATIONS LICENSE.

SO WHAT OUR RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO MEET WITH STAFF, AND IF, UH, THERE'S A REFURBED, THAT'S A DUTY, YOU, THE IT'S LIKE MONOPOLY, YOU KNOW, ALL OUR FREE PARKING, YOU GET YOUR MONEY BACK.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.

I APPRECIATE IT.

MY, MY POINT IS I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, THE CITY OF ALCOHOL IS NOT, UM, UH, CHARGING EXTRA FEES TO FIREARMS DEALERS THAT ARE NOT CHARGED BY OTHER CITIES.

IN FACT, IN OTHER, UH, CITIES IN, UH, EAST COUNTY,

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IT'S JUST A STANDARD BUSINESS LICENSE.

SO WE ARE ALREADY BEING CHARGED, UH, AS, AS I UNDERSTAND IT MORE THAN, UH, UH, OUR COMPETITORS IN NEIGHBORING CITIES.

AND HE'S CORRECT BECAUSE WE DO HAVE A SPECIAL OPERATIONS LICENSE.

SO ANYBODY, ANY BUSINESS THAT'S LISTED IN OUR ORDINANCE, THE ORDINANCE THAT REQUIRES A SPECIAL OPERATIONS LICENSE THAT INCLUDES ADULT ENTERTAINMENT.

I BELIEVE IT INCLUDES CARD ROOMS. HE INCLUDES PAWN DEALERS.

IT INCLUDES, UH, I THINK EVEN A TOW OPERATORS, THOSE ARE SORT OF SENSITIVE TYPES OF BUSINESSES FOR DECADES HAVE BEEN REQUIRED TO GET A SPECIAL OPERATIONS LICENSE.

SO MR. CHONG IS BEING TREATED NO DIFFERENTLY THAN ANY OTHER ONE TYPE OF BUSINESS THAT REQUIRES A SPECIAL OPERATIONS LICENSE.

AND WHEN WE MAKE THAT CHANGE, IT DOESN'T LOOK AT HIM AS A DEALER OF GUNS, WHAT IT GIVES, WHAT IT LOOKS AT HIM AS, AS AN ENTITY LISTED IN THAT CHAPTER.

AND WE HAVE TO MAKE THE DETERMINATION ABOUT HOW MANY SPECIAL OPERATION LICENSE APPLICATIONS COMING IN EACH YEAR AND HOW LONG IT TAKES US TO DO THE AVERAGE LICENSE, NOT, NOT A GUN DEALER, NOT A PAWN SHOP, NOT A MASSAGE PARLOR OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

WE LOOK AT ALL OF THEM BUNDLED TOGETHER AND MAKE THAT EQUIVALENT PAYMENT FOR THE APPLICATION FOR EACH OF THOSE TYPES OF BUSINESSES.

SO A QUESTION FOR THE CITY MANAGER, OR ARE WE TALKING ABOUT JUST IN THE FULL COST RECOVERY AND NO PROFIT ON THIS, RIGHT.

THAT'S CORRECT.

AND WE'D RECOMMEND THAT WE MAINTAIN THE N NOT THE ANNUAL, BUT THE ONE-TIME FEE OF $505.

CAUSE I THINK THERE IS A NEED TO INVESTIGATE A NEW BUSINESS COMING IN, BUT WE'LL VERIFY WHETHER THIS FEE'S BEEN PAID OVER THE YEARS AND WE'LL MAKE RECTIFICATION OF THAT.

GREAT.

I THINK MR. CHAGA IS JUST SAYING HE HE'S BEING TREATED DIFFERENTLY IF HE'S BEING CHARGED TWICE.

CORRECT.

AND HE'S SAYING I'LL PAY THE SPECIAL OPERATIONS FEE.

THAT'S PART OF DOING MY TYPE OF BUSINESS.

I THINK HE'S SAYING PEOPLE IN OTHER CITIES AREN'T PAYING THE SECOND $505 FEE, WHICH HE MAY HAVE BEEN A RUINOUSLY CONTINUED TO BE CHARGED AFTER THE INITIAL APPLICATION.

DO I HAVE THAT RIGHT? SOUNDS GOOD.

WELL, THANK YOU FOR COVERING VICKY ELSEWHERE WITH IT.

UM, ANY MORE, UH, PUBLIC HOSTS, NO COMMENT, NO MORE COMMON CIRCLE.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT THE CLOSED THE PUBLIC AREA START GOING MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.

UH, ANY MORE DISCUSSION OR SOMETHING LIKE THE BIG MOTION I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE THE FEE SCHEDULE AS PRESENTED SECOND.

PLEASE VOTE MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.

[11. Council Priority Implementation - Entryways RECOMMENDATION: That the City Council provides feedback to staff on the entryway image enhancement ideas presented.]

WE HAVE EIGHT ADMINISTRATIVE REPORTS.

SO TODAY'S AGENDA ITEM BELOVED IS FROM THE COUNCIL PRIORITY IMPLEMENTATION PLAN REGARDING ENTRYWAYS.

I'LL ASK STAFF TO TELL US ABOUT THIS PLACE.

HELLO.

HOW ARE YOU HERE? YOU GOOD, MR. MAYOR.

PARDON ME FOR JUST A MINUTE WHILE I SET UP? YEAH, I'LL TAKE YOUR TIME.

WE HAD STREET LIGHTING FOLLOWED BY STREET TREES AND PLANTING, AND THEN WE CAME UP WITH, UH, ROADSIDE DEBRIS REMOVAL, UH, AND THIS WOULD ENTAIL BOLSTERING OUR EXISTING PROGRAM AND OVERALL CLEANUP EFFORTS.

WELL, GOOD EVENING.

MAYOR MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL.

I'M JEFF MANCHESTER CITY ENGINEER WITH THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT.

UH, WE COME BEFORE YOU TONIGHT AS AN ADMINISTRATIVE REPORT AS A FOLLOW-UP FROM THE DRAFT, UH, IMPLEMENTATION PLAN THAT WAS APPROVED DURING THE SECOND MEETING OF MARCH.

UM, OUR SUBCOMMITTEE IS HERE TO SEEK FEEDBACK ON ITEMS RELATED TO ENTRYWAY BEAUTIFICATION.

SO AS YOU RECALL, OUR TEAM'S MISSION STATEMENT IS TO DEVELOP A LANDSCAPE BEAUTIFICATION PLAN AROUND THE CITY'S MAIN ENTRY POINTS HERE.

YOU'LL SEE SOME CURRENT PROJECTS THAT ARE CURRENTLY UNDERWAY, UH, LIKE THE WEST MAIN STREET IMPROVEMENTS, AS WELL AS SOME OTHER THEMES THAT WE'LL BE INTRODUCING TO YOU TONIGHT, UH, DURING THIS PRESENTATION, UH, MAINLY RELATED TO LANDSCAPING AND SIGNAGE.

SO AS MR. MITCHELL ALLUDED TO EARLIER, OUR TEAM HAD A LOT OF ENTHUSIASM COMING INTO THIS, AND WE HAD A LOT OF IDEAS FLOWING, WHICH WE'RE ABLE TO CONSOLIDATE INTO EIGHT BIG IDEAS.

UH, SO THE FIRST ONE, UH, THAT WE CAME UP WITH IS SIGNAGE IMPROVEMENTS, UH, WHICH INCLUDE ANYTHING FROM LARGE SCALE IMPROVEMENTS, LIKE THE DOWNTOWN GATEWAY SIGN DOWN TO PARKWAY, SIGNAGE, AND, UH, PAVEMENT MARKINGS OR LOGOS.

AND THESE ARE IN NO PARTICULAR ORDER, BY THE WAY, THE SECOND BIG IDEA WE HAD, UH, WAS TRAFFIC MEDIA AND BEAUTIFICATION.

UH, THIS WOULD LIKELY REPLACE EXISTING SURFACES WITH LOW MAINTENANCE AND DROUGHT TOLERANT PLANTING.

THIRD,

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UH, WE ALSO INCLUDED SIDEWALK IMPROVEMENTS AND ENHANCEMENTS FOLLOWED BY PAVING AND STRIPING, AND LASTLY UNDERGROUND CONVERSION OF OVERHEAD UTILITY LINES.

SO IS, UH, TO ASSIST WITH, WITH SELECTING LOCATIONS AND MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS.

OUR SUB COMMITTEE DEVELOPED THE FOLLOWING TIERED SYSTEM METHODOLOGY, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY A THREE TIERED SYSTEM.

SO TIER ONE LOCATIONS HAVE THE HIGHEST IMPACT YET THE HIGHEST COST.

AN EXAMPLE OF THIS WOULD BE THE DOWNTOWN GATEWAY SIGN.

UH, TIER TWO LOCATIONS ARE RELATIVELY IN THE MIDDLE, UH, IN TERMS OF IMPACT AND COST AND TIER THREE LOCATIONS HAVE THE LEAST IMPACT AND LOWEST COSTS, AND THEY WOULD BE MOST LIKELY THE MOST BUDGET FRIENDLY, UH, IMPROVEMENTS.

AND AS YOU SEE TO THE RIGHT, UH, WE'VE SHOWN HOW COST AND IMPACT, UH, FOLLOW THEY MOVED TOGETHER.

AS WE STEP UP AND DOWN THE TIERED SYSTEM.

NEXT, WE LOOKED AT EXAMPLES AND, AND THEMES FOR SIGNAGE.

UH, OUR GROUP REALLY LIKED AN EXAMPLE WE FOUND FROM HUNTSVILLE, ALABAMA.

UH, WE LIKED IT BECAUSE THEY HAD STANDARDS THAT BASICALLY REPRESENTED A SCALE OF SIGNAGE.

UH, AS YOU CAN SEE, UH, YOU HAVE THE TIER ONE OR MEET MONUMENTAL GATEWAY SIGN ALL THE WAY DOWN TO PEDESTRIAN SCALE, UH, IMPROVEMENTS.

UH, AND THEN WE WANTED TO SHARE ON THE BOTTOM LEFT, HOW THE CITY OF NEW JERSEY ACTUALLY HAS THEIR CITY LOGO ON THE PAVING.

AND WE THOUGHT THAT WAS PRETTY NEAT.

OF COURSE, YOU'D SEE OUR SIGNATURE LOGO, UH, IN THE UPPER LEFT-HAND SIDE.

NEXT WE CONSIDERED LANDSCAPING EXAMPLES AND THEMES, UH, TO THE LEFT.

YOU SEE THE MAGNOLIA AVENUE, I'M SURE YOU'RE VERY FAMILIAR WITH THIS, UH, THIS PICTURE.

SO THIS IS LOOKING SOUTH, UH, JUST SOUTH OF INTERSTATE EIGHT AND STATE ROUTE 67.

AND YOU CAN SEE A LOT OF THE, UH, REMNANTS FROM, UH, PAVED MEDIANS THAT ARE REACHING THE END OF THEIR USEFUL LIFE, UH, TO THE FAR RIGHT, IS SOMETHING I'M VERY PROUD OF.

THIS IS, UH, FROM OUR OPERATIONS CREW.

UH, WE RECENTLY FINISHED LAST WEEK.

UH, THIS WAS A BEAUTIFICATION PROJECT ON MAGNOLIA, JUST NORTH OF MAIN.

AND THIS IS LOOKING NORTH, UH, WHERE WE INSTALL LOW-MAINTENANCE AND DROUGHT TOLERANT PLANTING, UH, AND AGAIN, CITY CREWS CONSTRUCTED THESE IMPROVEMENTS IN THE MIDDLE IS, UH, LASTLY IS JUST SOME SAMPLE STREETSCAPE, UH, PARKWAY, UH, IMPROVEMENTS.

NEXT, WE IDENTIFIED POTENTIAL FUNDING SOURCES THAT WE COULD POTENTIALLY USE FOR THIS PROJECT.

UH, THIS WOULD INCLUDE TRANS NET FOR MEDIANS, UH, LANDSCAPING AND SIGNAGE, UH, AS ALWAYS WE'LL CONTINUE TO LOOK FOR GRANTS THAT WOULD BE APPLICABLE, UH, FOR THIS ENDEAVOR.

AND THEN, UH, KIND OF TYING INTO ONE OF THE BIG IDEAS, UH, IS UNDERGROUNDING AND USING, CONTINUING TO USE OUR RULE 28 FUNDS, UH, FOR PROJECTS BASED ON THE COUNCIL PRIORITY LIST.

AND OUR LAST SLIDE, WE JUST WANTED TO THROW SOME OUT OF THE BOX IDEAS, UH, YOUR WAY IN THE TOP LEFT, UH, IS RELATED TO AN ASPHALT ARTWORK, UH, GRANT, UH, THIS, THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO ENGAGE THE COMMUNITY AND LOCAL ARTISTS.

AND I THINK IT, IT PAYS UP TO 25,000 TO A LOCAL AGENCY AND THE TOP, RIGHT, WE HAD, UM, WE INCLUDED, UH, PAINTED CABINETS.

THIS COULD INCLUDE, UH, THIS WOULD AGAIN ENGAGE LOCAL ARTISTS AND OUR TRAFFIC CABINETS.

UM, AND THEN AS YOU SAW EARLIER, ENTRY PAVEMENT MARKINGS, POTENTIALLY WITH OUR LOGO, UH, WE INCLUDED THE ARTWORK, UH, THE DECORATIVE CLOCK IN PRESCOTT PROMINENT.

I THINK THIS IS A REALLY GOOD EXAMPLE OF, OF LOCAL ART OR THE PRESENCE OF, AND THEN LASTLY, OUR ARCHED GATEWAY SIGN IS KIND OF ONE OF OUR LEGACY PROJECTS.

I JUST WANT TO SAY A SPECIAL, SPECIAL THANKS TO OUR, OUR, UH, SUBCOMMITTEE FOR, FOR HELPING OUT WITH EVERYTHING.

AND WITH THAT, UH, WE LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING YOUR FEEDBACK.

OH, THANKS.

VERY MUCH QUESTIONS.

UM, WELL I GUESS WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS AT LEAST ON THE, ON THE, SOME OF THEM IT'S, IT'S ALL CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS IN THE ROADSIDE DEBRIS.

THAT'S JUST ONGOING MAINTENANCE, RIGHT? CORRECT.

SO, UM, THAT'S MY ONLY COMMENT RIGHT NOW, YOUR MOUSE.

A QUESTION ABOUT THE SIDE, UH, THE ARCH SIDE, W W WHAT WERE YOU PLANNING ON DOING WITH THAT? WE PUT IT IN CASE THERE'S OTHER OPPORTUNITIES TOWARD LIKE, TO MIMIC SOMETHING LIKE IN OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY.

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THAT'S GOOD.

UH, I'M INTERESTED IN THAT THE ASPHALT ART PROGRAM, BUT I'D WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WOULD HAVE THE OPTION OF, UH, KEEPING POLITICS OUT OF IT.

THAT'S A VERY GOOD COMMENT.

AND IS THAT, IS THAT POSSIBLE TO DO THAT WITH, WITH, WITHOUT, AND STILL GET THE GRANT? WE WE'D HAVE TO, TO FOLLOW UP WITH YOU ON THAT.

UH, WE, WE SKIM THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE GRANT SO FAR, AND, AND AGAIN, IT'S A 25,000 GRANT.

I BELIEVE THERE IS A COMMUNITY COMPONENT TO THAT.

SO WE'D HAVE TO FOLLOW UP WITH YOU ON THAT WITH ALL THE RELEVANT.

THAT'D BE GREAT.

BUT THAT'S A NICE PRESENTATION, RIGHT? I LIKE WHAT YOU'VE DONE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU, SIR.

AND PLEASE THANK THE STAFF FOR ALL THEIR HARD WORK.

I'VE GOT ONE QUESTION.

UH, DO, WAS ARTWORK ANY KIND OF ICONIC ARTWORK OR A BIG IDEA IN THAT AREA? FUCK.

THOUGHT ABOUT, TALKED ABOUT NO, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT THAT FAR YET.

SO WE'RE JUST OFFERING IT AS ONE OF THE BIG IDEAS OR SUGGESTIONS, UH, WHEN WE WERE KIND OF CANVASSING, UH, DIFFERENT CITIES AROUND THE COUNTY, UH, WE NOTICED THAT THE CITY OF VISTA HAS A LOT OF PUBLIC ARTWORK AND THERE, AND THEY'RE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.

AND ESPECIALLY IN THEIR DOWNTOWN, WHICH IS QUITE ATTRACTIVE, BUT AGAIN, ARTIST'S OBJECTIVE.

SO WE WOULD BE LOOKING FOR YOUR GUIDANCE ON, ON HOW TO PROCEED WITH THAT.

I'D LIKE TO SEE SOME EXAMPLES OF THAT PUBLIC ARTWORK AND MAYBE IN THE NEXT REPORT, MOST DEFINITELY W WE'LL BE BRINGING BACK SPECIFIC PROPOSALS OVER TIME AS PART OF YOUR CIP.

UM, SO THIS IS SORT OF A, AN INTRO TO KIND OF THE WORK WE'RE STARTED.

UH, WE WANTED YOU TO UNDERSTAND THE FRAMEWORK BY WHICH WE WERE LOOKING AT HOW TO DO THIS BEAUTIFICATION PROCESS.

SO WE'LL BE STARTING TO BRING PROJECTS BACK ONE BY ONE.

UM, AND THERE ARE SOME GREAT EXAMPLES OF SOME PUBLIC ART, ESPECIALLY IN THE, UM, UNDERPASSES OF INTERSTATES, SO THAT THERE'S SOME OPPORTUNITIES TO BEAUTIFY.

SO THOSE DARK AND DAMP AREAS, I, I QUESTION MR. MITCHELL, UM, THE MILKWEED PLANTS THAT WE SPOKE ABOUT IS THAT PART OF THIS TOO, CERTAINLY ACTUALLY MS. MITCHELL, UM, IS A BIG PROPONENT OF MILKWEED, PARTLY BECAUSE WE HAVE A, UM, THE MONARCH BUTTERFLY IS ENDANGERED.

AND, UM, THERE IS NO FEDERAL FUNDING TO SUPPORT THAT ENDANGERED SPECIES.

I THINK IT'S LIKE A SPECIES NUMBER ONE 98, AND A LIST OF A THOUSAND SPECIES.

SO, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE AS JUST RESIDENTS CAN DO IS PLANT MILKWEED.

THAT NEEDS TO BE THE RIGHT MILKWEED BY THE WAY.

UH, BUT THAT ACTUALLY HELPS PROMOTE A MONARCH BUTTERFLY.

SHE KNEW SHE SAW THAT WE WERE DOING SOME LANDSCAPING.

SO WE ACTUALLY HAVE A PILOT PROGRAM WHERE WE HAVE SOME MILKWEED PLANTED RIGHT OUT IN FRONT OF THE MAGNOLIA.

SO WE'LL SEE HOW THAT WORKS.

AND IF WE HAVE FLOURISHING MONARCH, BUTTERFLIES, WE CAN THINK COUNCIL MEMBER METRO FOR THAT GREAT IDEA.

GOOD JOB.

ANY MORE QUESTIONS FIRST, PETE? THANK YOU, SIR.

APPRECIATE THAT.

UH, LET'S OPEN THE UP THE PUBLIC HEARING.

I ACTUALLY, I DON'T HAVE TO OPEN UP OVER HERE.

I JUST HAVE TO ASK IF WE RECEIVE ANY COMMENTS, NO COMMENTS, SIR.

LIKE EVERYONE SAID THE ROADSIDE DEBRIS.

SO, UH, STAFF, DO WE NEED A MOTION FOR THIS COUNSEL? WE'RE JUST LOOKING FOR ANY DIRECTION.

IF WE WERE LIKE WAY OFF BASE ON SOMETHING, THAT'D PROBABLY BE GOOD TO KNOW THAT BEFORE WE START PRESENTING PROJECT PROJECTS TO YOU.

UM, BUT IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT LOOKS GOOD, THEN WE'LL CONTINUE TO PROCEED AND, AND BRING AGAIN, PROJECT SPECIFIC THINGS TO THE COUNCIL FOR FUNDING APPROVAL.

I AM, I PERSONALLY LIKED WHAT I SAW, ESPECIALLY THE, UH, THE GATEWAY SIDES, THE, THE, THE BODY, BUT SIDES.

OH, I THOUGHT THOSE WERE REALLY NICE, ESPECIALLY THE WOOL OF THE STONE.

SO I THINK YOU'RE ON THE RIGHT, RIGHT TRACK.

ANYBODY ELSE FOR ME, NUMBER ONE, IS DEBRIS PICKUP.

YOU KNOW, THAT THOSE ARE THE COMPLAINTS THAT GET THE MOST, UH, OF, OF ALL ISSUES.

YOU KNOW, THAT JUST, I THINK WE NEED TO EXPAND, UH, OUR CONTRACTS FOR PEOPLE TO PICK UP THE DEBRIS ALONG THE SIDEWALKS AND, AND THE ROAD.

I LIKED.

NUMBER ONE, THE GATEWAY SIGNAGE AS WELL.

I THINK IT'S A WAY TO BRAND THE CITY.

WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT TO PROVIDE CONSISTENCY OF LOOK AND THAT KIND OF UNIFIES OUR COMMUNITY.

WHEN YOU SEE IT HERE, HERE, HERE, HERE, HERE.

I ALSO LIKE THE TRAFFIC MEDIUM BEAUTIFICATION, UH, THAT WOULD MAKE THOSE WHO ARE ENVIRONMENTALLY CONSCIOUS, HAPPY TO REMOVE ASPHALT AND TO PUT IN A CARBON DIOXIDE ABSORBING PLANTS THAT WE WOULD PROBABLY FIND FRIENDS IN THAT AREA, MAYBE EVEN GRANTS.

UH, I THINK STAFF DID A GREAT JOB.

UH, THERE'S NOTHING ON HERE THAT I WOULD CHANGE MY HIGHLIGHT.

I THINK I GO WITH THE, UH,

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THAT'S A LOT OF THE COMPLAINTS I RECEIVED THEM FROM THE COMMUNITY.

UM, THE TRAFFIC MEDIUM BEAUTIFICATION I DROVE BY WHEN STAFF WAS, WAS, UM, COMPLETING THE ONE ON MAGNOLIA AND MAIN, AND IT LOOKED GREAT.

I THINK IT JUST, THOSE LITTLE THINGS INCREMENTALLY TRANSFORM THE FEEL OF THE, OF THE AREA IN THE CITY, THE STREET TREES AND PLANTING, UM, IS ANOTHER GREAT IDEA TOO.

SO, UM, I THINK YOU GUYS DID A GREAT JOB.

THANKS FOR SO W SO IS IT POSSIBLE TO GET GRANTS, GET PROGRAMS TOGETHER TO KIND OF GET THE COMMUNITY IN LIKE AREAS THAT MAY BE A LITTLE MORE, I DON'T WANT TO USE THE WORD DOWNTRODDEN, BUT THAT'S WHERE THAT COMES TO MIND AND MAYBE WORK WITH RESIDENTS AND HOMEOWNERS TO PLANT TREES AND THE PARKING STRIPS, YOU KNOW, MAYBE KIND OF GO AS THE RESIDENT OR THE, THE HOMEOWNER WOULD HAVE LIKE A MINIMAL BE TO PAY LIKE MAYBE 25 BUCKS OR 10 BUCKS TO GO TOWARDS THE PURCHASE OF A TREE THAT CAN BE PLANTED THERE.

JUST SOMETHING THAT KIND OF ENGAGES THE COMMUNITY, UM, WHEN IT COMES TO LIKE THE ROADSIDE DEBRIS.

UM, I AGREE WITH MY COLLEAGUES HERE THAT WE NEED TO INCREASE THAT, AND MAYBE IT'S TIME FOR THE THREE OF US THAT ARE ON THE COMMUNITY CLEANUP GROUP TO MAYBE RESTART THAT, MAYBE TRYING TO ENGAGE MORE, UM, COMMUNITY MEMBERS TO COME OUT AND TAKE PRIDE IN THE CITY AND HELP CLEAN IT UP A LITTLE BIT MORE, WHICH REDUCES THE COST, UH, FOR CITY TO DO IT.

BUT IT JUST SEEMS LIKE WE COULD ENGAGE THE COMMUNITY A LITTLE BIT MORE AND, AND PUSH THE MORE ENVIRONMENTAL, UM, SMALL MITIGATION EFFORTS TO COMBAT THE ENVIRONMENTAL PROBLEMS THAT WE'VE GOT.

ONE OF THE THOUGHTS THAT WE HAD IS GRANTED, MOST OF OUR GATEWAYS ARE IN COMMERCIAL CORRIDORS, RIGHT.

BUT THERE ARE, THERE ARE A FEW THAT ARE IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS.

SO ONE OF THE THOUGHTS WE HAD IS IF THE CITY HAD FUNDING SET ASIDE FOR A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA, MAYBE WE JUST SORT OF ADOPT THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AND, AND ENCOURAGE EVERYBODY TO DO SOME BEAUTIFICATION IN THAT AREA.

UM, AND THAT'S WHERE YOU CAN REALLY ENGAGE THE PUBLIC IN, IN THE COMMUNITY.

SO WE'RE IN THE CITY'S INVESTING AND THEN THE COMMUNITY IS INVESTING AND THEN WE'RE MAGNIFYING EACH OTHER'S EFFORTS.

GOOD IDEA.

SO, UH, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

OPEN FOR PROMOTION.

ALL RIGHT, ONE SECOND.

PLEASE VOTE.

MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.

AND THAT BRINGS US TO, UH, LET'S SEE.

BEFORE MOVING ON, UH, LIKE TO TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK AND WE'LL BE BACK TO FINISH THE MEETING.

IT'S THAT SHORT BREAK WE ARE BACK.

[12. City Council Economic Development Priority - Analyze Downtown Master Plan for Possible Amendment RECOMMENDATION: That the City Council considers the information in the agenda report and directs staff accordingly.]

THE NECK OR THE SECOND ADMINISTRATIVE REPORT, WHICH IS ITEM 12 AND IT IS TO ANALYZE THE DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN FOR POSSIBLE AMENDMENTS.

AND I'LL ASK STAFF TO TELL US ABOUT THIS GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR COUNCIL, TONY, HOW ARE YOU? I'M GOOD.

HAS, UM, OPPORTUNITIES WE THINK FOR GOOD DEVELOPMENT AND SOME OF THAT GOOD DEVELOPMENT HAS BEEN OF LATE.

HOW ARE YOU? EXCELLENT.

AWESOME.

WELL, AS, UM, THE CITY COUNCIL DIRECTED AT THEIR MARCH 1ST, UM, GOAL SETTING, UH, PRIORITY MEETING AND WAS MADE PART OF THE IMPLEMENTATION PLAN, THE CITY COUNCIL ASKED THAT STAFF LOOK AT THE DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN, ALSO KNOWN AS SPECIFIC PLAN ONE 82 AND WANTED TO SEE IF THERE WERE ANY DEVELOPMENT POLICIES, ZONING REGULATIONS THAT PROHIBITED DEVELOPMENT AND THE DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN COVERS QUITE A LARGE AREA.

AS YOU CAN SEE HERE.

UM, IT STARTS AT, UM, AT EIGHT, UM, MAKES ITS WAY DOWN MAGNOLIA AND KIND OF GOES OFF AT, UM, EAST MAIN STREET WEST MAIN STREET AND INCOME INCAPACITY ARE QUITE A LARGE AREA.

THE DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN, UM, THOUGH HAS BEEN QUITE BENEFICIAL AND HAS PRODUCED, UM, A LOT OF GOOD PROJECTS.

AND THE DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN DOES HAVE ITS A DESIGN STANDARDS, DESIGN RECOMMENDATIONS.

IT ALSO

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THAT'S THE MARRIOTT COURTYARD HOTEL, ALSO SOME, UH, UH, RESIDENTIAL PARK PARK ROW, CORNERSTONE, UM, AND THE LIKE, UH, OTHER PROJECTS AS WELL.

UM, AND, AND, AND LOOKING AT THE DOWNTOWN IS, IS AS YOU COME OFF THE FREEWAY, YOU COME OFF THE MAGNOLIA EXIT.

UM, YOU, YOU, UM, HEAD STRAIGHT DOWN MAGNOLIA.

AND IF YOU LOOK AT THIS IMAGE HERE, YOU CAN SEE THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S GOOD.

THERE'S THE DOWNTOWN HAS A GOOD ENTRY WAY.

THE MAG, YOU KNOW, MAGNOLIA AVENUE, IT HAS GOOD BONES FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM.

AND YOU CAN SEE WHERE I'VE HIGHLIGHTED HERE IN RED.

YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF THESE BUILDINGS THAT START AT MADISON AND HAD THEIR WAY HEAD DOWN TO THE CORE, UH, BUILDINGS ARE UP ON THE STREET AND IT GIVES A GOOD STREET PRESENCE.

AND SO WHEN YOU'RE CROSSING MADISON AVENUE, YOU CAN SEE THAT, OKAY.

I FEEL LIKE I'M ENTERING THE DOWNTOWN.

THIS IS WHERE THE CITY HAS PUT IN A LOT OF, UM, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS IN TERMS OF WIDER SIDEWALKS MEANT FOR PEDESTRIANS STREET TREES, UH, THE ACORN DOUBLE ACORN LIGHTS.

SO YOU GET THIS FEELING NOW THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE ENTERING INTO THE DOWNTOWN OF ALCOHOL.

UM, THE DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN ALSO, UM, UH, REQUIRES CERTAIN FACADE UPGRADES OF BUILDINGS IN, IN, IN, UM, IN A MANNER THAT, UH, HAS THIS, UM, CERTAIN FEEL TO THE DOWNTOWN THAT'S PART OF THE PLAN.

AND HERE, THIS IS A, ONE OF THE MOST RECENT ONES, THIS, UM, UH, MEDICAL CLINIC.

UM, BUT AGAIN, THIS BUILDING AND THE BUILDING NEXT TO IT, AS WELL AS OTHER BUILDINGS ON MAGNOLIA HAVE THE STREET PRESENCE, IT'S RIGHT UP ON THE STREETS, RIGHT UP ON THE SIDEWALK AS A PEDESTRIAN FEEL TO IT.

THIS IMAGE HERE SHOWS THE, UM, PROPERTIES THAT ARE ADJACENT TO NORTH MAGNOLIA, NORTH OF MADISON.

AND YOU DON'T HAVE THAT SAME FIELD, RIGHT? THE SIDEWALKS AREN'T THERE, THE LIGHTS AREN'T THERE AS STREET TREES, AREN'T THERE.

IN FACT, THESE PROPERTIES HERE HAVEN'T SEEN ANY REDEVELOPMENT, UM, SINCE THE PLAN WAS ADOPTED.

SO WHEN LOOKING AT THESE, LOOKING AT THESE PROPERTIES, YOU CAN SEE THAT THEY, THEY HAVE A STREET, UM, A FREEWAY FRONTAGE OR FREEWAY FEEL TO THEM AND YOU HAVE A MOTEL AND A GAS STATION.

UM, THE VACANT LOT THERE USED TO BE A GAS STATION.

SO THEY WERE FREEWAY ORIENTED USES AND THERE HASN'T BEEN ANY REDEVELOPMENT NORTH OF MADISON.

AND THIS MIGHT BE AN OPPORTUNITY THAT THE COUNCIL MIGHT WISH TO STAFF TO INVESTIGATE IN TERMS OF WHAT ADDED VALUE CAN BE GIVEN TO THESE PROPERTIES SO THAT THEY CAN MAYBE REDEVELOP WITH FREEWAY ORIENTED USES THAT MIGHT GIVE THEM THEN THE POTENTIAL TO SEE SOME REINVESTMENT.

SO, UM, THE COUNCIL HAS A COUPLE OF OPTIONS, UM, BEFORE THEM, UH, THEY CAN ASK, THEY CAN INITIATE AN AMENDMENT OF THE DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN.

UM, THERE IS A RESIDUE OF INTENT AS PART OF YOUR AGENDA REPORT HERE THAT THE COUNCIL CAN INITIATE DOING.

SO, UM, DOES HAVE ITS, UM, ITS CHALLENGES.

IT'S A LITTLE LENGTHY PROCESS.

UM, IT DOES REQUIRE NATIVE AMERICAN, UM, PARTICIPATION IN TERMS OF THEIR OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THE CHANGES TO THE, TO THE MASTER PLAN BECAUSE IT'S A SPECIFIC PLAN, UM, OR THE COUNCIL CAN ASK STAFF TO, UM, AMEND THE ZONING CODE AS PART OF OUR ANNUAL UPDATE.

AND WE WILL HAVE SOME UPDATES COMING LATER IN THE YEAR TO ALLOW FOR SELECT FREEWAY ORIENTED USES ON THESE PROPERTIES THAT WOULD NOT BE OTHERWISE PROHIBITED BY THE DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN.

THIS QUITE FRANKLY IS AS SIMPLE AS APPROACH TO TAKE IF THE COUNCIL IS INTERESTED IN DOING SO.

UM, AND PROBABLY THE EASIEST QUICKEST, UM, OR THE COUNCIL CAN PROVIDE SOME ALTERNATIVE DIRECTION TO STAFF.

AND THEN WE CAN TAKE THAT AND RESEARCH AND, AND BRING THAT BACK OR THE COUNCIL CAN DO NOTHING AND LEAVE THINGS THE WAY THEY ARE STAFF IS AVAILABLE TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, THANK YOU, TONY QUESTIONS.

UM, WHAT'S THE STATUS OF THAT BROWN FIELD THERE AT THE CORNER OF MADISON AND MAGNOLIA.

UM, BUT YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF MADISON AND MAGNOLIA THERE.

THAT PROPERTY HAS BEEN VACANT FOR QUITE A NUMBER OF YEARS.

IT USED TO HAVE A, UM, IT WAS A CLEANUP SITE, SO IT GOT ITS CLEARANCE FROM DEH DEPARTMENT, ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH, A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO.

UM, AND, UM, THE, THE OWNER, THE PREVIOUS OWNER, THE CURRENT OWNER HAS NOT HAD AN OPPORTUNITY YET TO REDEVELOP IT.

SO THEY CAN'T PUT HOUSING THERE RIGHT NOW.

THEY CANNOT, I CAN, I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE PEOPLE WHO OWN THAT PROPERTY RIGHT NOW, UM, ARE VERY INTERESTED IN DEVELOPING THE LAND THAT THEY'VE GOT A TRACK RECORD OF, OF HAVING SOME GREAT DEVELOPMENTS.

SO I'M EXCITED TO SEE WHAT THEY COME UP WITH.

TO SWEETEN THE POT FOR THAT? BECAUSE IT IS AN ENTRANCE TO THE CITY, UH, THAT WOULD BE UP TO GRAB, HE'S GOT THE POT TO, WELL, UM, I DON'T HAVE THAT KIND OF HIGH, BUT MR. DEMISE, YOU AND I WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT TODAY.

IS THERE ANYTHING WE CAN DO

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AND AS YOU RECALL, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'D LIKE TO ALLOCATE, IT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA, BUT IT'S MOVING IN THAT DIRECTION.

SO IT'D BE REALLY BRIEF MR. FOLEY.

BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT IS USING THE ARP MONEY TO HELP, HELP FACILITATE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

THIS COULD POTENTIALLY BE ONE OF THOSE POSSIBLE SITES.

SO, UH, ANYWAY, I THINK, I THINK YOU'LL SEE MORE OF THAT TO COME IT'S OKAY.

WE DON'T NEED ANY MORE GAS STATIONS OR LIQUOR STORES OVER THERE.

NO, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY WANTS TO BUILD ANY MORE GAS STATIONS CAUSE UH, GAS STATIONS ARE GOING AWAY, UH, AT LIQUOR STORES WHERE YOU LIVE THE PROBLEM WITH THAT THERE'S LITTLE LICENSES.

NO, I MEAN, FRANKLY, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT BECAUSE OF THAT PROPERTY BEING THE FIRST THING THAT PEOPLE SEE AS IT COULD BE THAT THE DEB'S HAD WORK.

WE'RE ASKING PEOPLE TO COME WITH BIG IDEAS, NOT, NOT LITTLE IDEAS, NOT A FAST FOOD RESTAURANT, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO APPROACH EACH THING THAT'S PRESENTED TO US.

BUT, UH, I THINK EVERYBODY'S WOULD AGREE WITH THAT.

THEY'D LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING INNOVATIVE, A BIG THERE.

SWEET.

I THINK I MIX IS BULLET POINT NUMBER TWO, THAT SEEMS TO BE COMMON SENSE TO ME.

IN OTHER WORDS, A DEVELOPER HAS THE ADVANTAGE OF SP ONE 82, IF THEY WANT TO GO THAT WAY, OR MAYBE IF YOU DO SOME KIND OF OVERLAY, UH, ON THAT PROPERTY THAT THEY COULD GO THIS WAY, PERHAPS FREEWAY ORIENTED USE OR SOMETHING, AND THEY WOULD HAVE A CHOICE THEN OF, OF USING, UH, THIS, THIS IS ZONING ELEMENT OR THIS ZONING ELEMENT.

I THINK THAT WAS BULLET POINT NUMBER TWO, CORRECT COUNCIL MEMBERS.

THAT IS CORRECT.

THEY, I THINK AS YOU LOOK AT THIS IMAGE HERE, YOU CAN SEE THAT IT'S CLEAR THAT THOSE PROPERTIES NORTH OF MADISON REALLY ARE FREEWAY ORIENTED.

THEY'RE MORE FREEWAY ORIENTED THAN THEY ARE DOWNTOWN ORIENTED.

AND AS YOU CROSS MADISON HEADING, HEADING SOUTH ON MAGNOLIA, YOU ARE NOW ENTERING THE DOWNTOWN.

AND IF WE HAD SOME KIND OF OVERLAY, YOU MAY EVEN SEE, UH, LANDLORDS OF EXISTING BUILDINGS DECIDING, OH, WELL, IF I CAN DO THIS WITH THIS PROPERTY THAT I CAN'T DO UNDER SB ONE 82, I MIGHT CHANGE THE USE OF THIS PROPERTY.

ADDING MORE VALUE.

THE RESTAURANT IS GOING TO COME BACK OR HAVE THEY CLOSED COMPLETELY? WELL, ONE, UH, THEY HAVE BEEN CLOSE FOR SOME TIME.

I ASSUME YOU'RE REFERRING TO CHINA BUFFET, RIGHT? YES.

THEY HAVE BEEN CLOSE FOR SOME TIME AND WE DO NOT HAVE WORD IF THEY WERE COMING, IF THEY'RE COMING BACK.

SO WE HAVE THAT.

WE HAVE THE VACANT LOT, WHICH FOR ANYBODY WHO'S RUNNING FOR OFFICE, THAT'S THE BEST PLACE TO HANG A SIGN AND NOW THAT'S GOING TO GO AWAY.

EVERYBODY LOVES THAT SO MUCH.

YOU INTO THE COUNTY RIGHT OFF THE FREEWAY.

I KNOW THE DENTIST OFFICE, FROM WHAT I CAN REMEMBER THAT IS STILL OPERATING.

UM, AND THEN THE MOTEL I'VE HEARD RUMBLINGS ON SOCIAL MEDIA THAT THERE'S A LOT OF.

UM, AND MAYBE THE POLICE CAN, UM, CLARIFY ON THAT.

THERE'S A LOT OF PROBLEMS WITH THAT PARTICULAR MOTEL.

UM, ARE THEY PLANNING ON REMAINING OPEN OR, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WHATEVER WE PUT IN THERE, WE HAVE TO REALIZE THAT IF THAT MOTEL IS CAUSING PROBLEMS AND I DON'T KNOW FOR SURE IF IT IS, AND SOMEBODY MIGHT BE ABLE TO ANSWER THAT FOR ME, BUT, UM, IF WE PUT SOMETHING IN WHERE THE VACANT RESTAURANT IS AND THE VACANT LOT AND EVERYTHING, WE NEED TO BRING THAT MOTEL UP TO A LITTLE BIT HIGHER STANDARD, UM, I'VE GOTTEN IN THERE BEFORE AND, UM, WHEN WE'VE GONE TO THE RESTAURANT, WHEN IT WAS OPEN, UM, AND THEN JUST DOING SIGN PATROL THIS PAST SUMMER, THERE WAS A LOT OF KIND OF QUESTIONABLE ACTIVITY GOING ON IN THAT LITTLE THERE.

BUT I THINK I AGREE WITH MY COLLEAGUE HERE, MR. GLOBAL, THAT I THINK OPTION NUMBER TWO OF REZONING, UH, OR, YOU KNOW, OPENING IT UP TO DIFFERENT ACTIVITY WOULD BE A REAL, YEAH.

ZONING CODE CODE AMENDMENT.

I THINK THAT WOULD OPEN US UP FOR, UM, SOME NEW AND EXCITING, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THAT COULD, WE COULD DO IMAGINE A CURL STRESS THERE ON THAT BIG PROPERTY OR SOMETHING BIG, YOU KNOW, THAT DRAWS

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YOU CAN GO IN THERE.

IT'D BE GREAT IF WE HAD SOMETHING NICE AND BIG IN THERE THAT, UM, COMPANIES WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THEIR PARTIES AT AND IT'S RIGHT UP THE FREEWAY AND IT'S RIGHT THERE AND THERE'D BE A NICE TRANSITION BETWEEN THE INDUSTRIAL OR THE FREEWAY PORTION OF WORK INTO OUR DOWNTOWN KIND OF SHOVEL IT IN.

I LIKE OPTION NUMBER TWO.

I TRUST THAT THE STAFF WOULD COME UP WITH SOME INNOVATIVE ZONING IDEAS.

WELL, I THINK IT'S A CONSENSUS THERE.

LET'S ASK, UH, THAT.

THANKS TONY.

APPRECIATE IT.

LET'S ASK ANGELA IF WE RECEIVE ANY COYOTES ON THE SIDE, WE HAVE NO COMMENTS, SIR.

NEXT SUBMITTER STRAIGHT A REPORT I HAVE 13 IS AGAIN FROM THE, UH, COUNCIL PRIORITY PLAN REGARDING FLASHING SIDES AND STRIKE LIGHTS.

UH, SO DO YOU NEED A MOTION OR JUST DIRECTIONAL? THIS STAFF UNDERSTANDS COUNCIL'S DIRECTION, RIGHT? DO YOU, UH, CAN WE NEED EMOTIONAL THIS? NO, NO, YOU DO NOT GREAT.

THEN THE

[13. City Council Priority - Flashing Signs and String Lights RECOMMENDATION: That the City Council: Discusses the subject matter in the report; and Accepts the information provided in the report and takes no further action; or Directs the Planning Commission to prepare amendments to Title 17 (Sign Ordinance) of the El Cajon Municipal Code regulating signage; or Provides alternative policy direction to staff.]

STEPH, TELL US ABOUT THIS ISSUE.

ARE YOU, ARE YOU UP AGAIN? ARE YOU JUST REFUSING TO LEAVE? UH, UH, I'M UP AGAIN? OKAY, GOOD.

AS SOON AS THEY WOULD, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE POLICE OFFICERS AT THE BACK, SO I JUST, WE'RE JUST WAITING TO GET IT QUEUED UP HERE.

LEFT IS THE TASTE OF DAMASCUS OVER THERE AT THE CORNER OF MAIN AND BALLANTINE.

MARIN COUNCIL IS AGAIN ON MARCH 1ST.

UH, THE COUNCIL ASKED THAT, UH, STAFF TAKE A LOOK AT OUR S OUR SIGNED ORDINANCE AND SPECIFICALLY REGARDING, UH, FLASHING SIGNS AND STRING LIGHTS.

UM, THIS WAS INCORPORATED INTO THE IMPLEMENTATION PLAN THAT THE COUNCIL, UM, ACCEPTED AND ASKED STAFF TO IMPLEMENT.

UM, AND SO WITH THAT, UH, STAFF WENT AHEAD AND TOOK A LOOK AT THIS, UM, THE SIGNED ORDINANCE AS WELL AS DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN.

SO I JUST WANT TO LET THE COUNCIL KNOW BACK IN 2012, UM, THE THEN CITY COUNCIL AMENDED THE DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN TO ALLOW, UM, FLASHING LIGHTS, UM, AND THINK OF LIKE FLASHING OPEN SIGN AND STRING LIGHT.

SO THOSE LIGHT ROPES THAT YOU SEE IN WINDOWS OF BUSINESSES DOWNTOWN, THIS WAS LIMITED TO FIRST FLOORS, UM, IN, WITHIN THE DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN AREA.

SO, UM, THIS, I JUST BROUGHT SOME EXAMPLES THAT, UM, TO SHOW YOU THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT STRING LIGHTS OR LIGHT ROPES, THE IMAGE ON NERDY LEFT IS TYPICALLY I THINK WHAT A LOT OF FOLKS SEE, UM, THESE COLORED LIGHTS OR WHITE LIGHTS, UM, FRAMING WINDOWS, NO, THIS ISN'T, THIS IS NOT ALCOHOL.

AND I DO HAVE SOME IMAGES IN JUST A MINUTE.

THE OTHER, UM, TO SHARE WITH YOU, THE OTHER IMAGE OF COURSE, IS THE TYPICAL FLASHING OPEN SIGN THAT YOU MIGHT SEE, UM, CURRENTLY IN THE CITY.

UM, THIS HAS ALLOWED THE DOWNTOWN AREA, UM, BUT IT'S NOT ALLOWED, UM, THROUGHOUT THE CITY, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T HAVE, UH, BUSINESSES, CAN'T HAVE, UM, OTHER AREAS OF DOWNTOWN OTHER THAN DOWNTOWN, UH, BUSINESSES CANNOT HAVE THE FLASHING OPEN SIGN.

AND, UM, THERE IS NO DEFINITION IN THE SIGNED ORDINANCE REGARDING, UM, STRING LIGHTS OR LIGHT ROPES.

UH, THE DEFINITION OF A FLASHING SIGN DOES NOT INCLUDE THAT.

UM, IT INCLUDES, UH, SIGNAGE WITH LIGHTS.

SO THESE THREE IMAGES HERE ARE OF IMAGE OF BUSINESSES HERE IN THE CITY OF OKLAHOMA.

UH, THE UPPER IMAGE ON YOUR LEFT IS THE, UM, OVER ON BROADWAY, IT'S IN THE 900 BLOCK.

IT'S AN AUDIO SHACK, NOT RADIO SHACK, BUT IT'S CALLED AUDIO SHY.

AND IN THE SAME SHOPPING CENTER, IS THIS A 99 CENT STORE CALLED SIMON'S WITH THE RED LIGHTS THAT ARE FRAMED THE WINDOWS? UH, THE IMAGE ON THE LARGER IMAGE ON YOUR RIGHT IS, UM, THE AUGUSTINI BUILDING OVER HERE IN DOWNTOWN ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF EAST MAIN STREET.

AND ALTHOUGH YOU SEE THIS COLORFUL GLOW, IT DOES HAVE, UH, THE STRING LIGHTS WOULD LIGHT ROPES IN THE WINDOW.

AGAIN, THAT'S ALLOWED THE DOWNTOWN, WHEN, WHEN THINKING ABOUT LIGHTS OR STRING LIGHTS, UM, THERE ARE SOME BUSINESSES IN TOWN THAT HAVE UTILIZED THE L THE STRING LIGHTS OPENLY, LIKE HERE ON PROTOCOL'S ON YOUR RIGHT WHERE THEY'VE LIT THE OUTDOOR AREA.

UM, UH, THE IMAGE ON YOUR

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UM, WHEN THIS IMAGE WAS TAKEN, THEY DID NOT HAVE ANY LIGHTS, UM, WITHIN THE WINDOWS ON, BUT THEY DO HAVE THE STRING LIGHTS LIKE PER ECONOMISTS ACROSS OUR PARKING LOT, AS WELL AS ON THE, UM, UH, FRAMING THE EAR PARAPET ON TOP THEIR BUILDING.

SO THE COUNCIL IN TERMS OF WHAT, UM, CAN BE CONSIDERED FOR, UH, ADDRESSING THIS, YOU KNOW, THE COUNCIL CAN, UH, DIRECT STAFF TO INITIATE OR TO AMEND THE SIGNED ORDINANCE.

THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD HAVE TO GO TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THEN ONTO THE CITY COUNCIL, UM, CITY COUNCIL COULD ASK THAT THERE BE A DEFINITION OF STRING LIGHTS.

UM, IT COULD BE, UM, STRING LIGHTS COULD BE ADDED TO THE LIST OF PROHIBITED SIGNS, UM, AND THEY COULD BE THEN ALLOWED DURING SPECIFIC TIME PERIODS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.

UM, OR THE COUNCIL CAN PROVIDE AN ALTERNATIVE DIRECTION REGARDING THIS, UM, TYPE OF LINE IT LIGHTS, OR THE COUNCIL CAN DO NOTHING, AND WE CAN CONTINUE, UM, YOU KNOW, ALLOWANCE THAT SIGNS OR SUCH, UM, ACCOUTREMENTS ON BUILDINGS, UM, AND ADDRESS THE BLINKING SIGNS UNDER CODE ENFORCEMENT ACTION THROUGHOUT THE REMAINDER OF THE CITY, OTHER THAN THE DOWNTOWN.

AND OF COURSE STAFF IS AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

WHAT IS THE REASON FOR NOT ALLOWING STRING LIGHTS OUTSIDE OF DOWNTOWN? WELL, CURRENTLY THERE IS NOTHING IN THE SIGNED ORDINANCE ADDRESSING STRING LINES.

SO IT'S THE FLASHING SIGN, THE FLUSHING OPEN SIGN.

THAT'S THE ISSUE? WELL, THAT IS AN ISSUE THAT WAS, UH, STAFF WAS ASKED TO LOOK AT, UM, FLASHING OR BLINKING SIGNS, LIKE AN OPEN SIGN.

ONE IS ALLOWED DOWNTOWN, BUT IT'S NOT ALLOWED IN THE REST OF THE REST OF THE CITY.

AND THAT IS PROHIBITED.

ACCORDING TO THE CITY SIGNED ORDINANCE, IT WAS A, UM, AN, UH, THE REASON I BELIEVE THAT IT WAS ADDED TO THE SIGNED ORDER.

AND SO IT WAS PROBABLY MADE PART OF THE ORDINANCE FOR MANY, MANY YEARS BECAUSE, UM, SIGNS ARE MEANT TO ATTRACT ATTENTION AND A BLINKING SIGN, ATTRACTS ATTENTION, IN ADDITION TO THE SIGN OF A NAMING, YOU KNOW, UH, IDENTIFYING A BUSINESS, RIGHT.

UM, AND, UH, CITIES WANT TO ENSURE PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY AND BY DOING SO SUCH RESTRICTIONS MUST OCCUR TOO.

SO THAT REALLY DRIVERS KEEP THEIR EYES ON THE ROAD.

CONTROLLING EVERYTHING THAT THE BUSINESS OWNER WANTS TO USE, WHAT THEY THINK WOULD, WOULD BRING IN BUSINESS.

SO HAVING SAID THAT I, THAT I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH, AS FAR AS THE STRING LIGHTS GO, MY OPINION IS, AND I'VE HEARD THIS BEFORE HERE IS THAT WE DON'T WANT IT TO LOOK LIKE DOWNTOWN VEGAS.

IS IT POSSIBLE THAT IF WE ALLOW STRING LIGHTS, UM, AND I WAS JUST AT TASTE OF DEMOCRACY DAMASCUS A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO.

UM, PARENT IKONOS IS DOWN THE STREET FROM MY NEIGHBORHOOD.

I LIKE THE SOFTER LIGHTS.

UM, YOU KNOW, I DON'T MIND STRING LIGHTS WHERE THEY'RE, THEY'RE THE INDIVIDUAL BULBS OR THE ACTUAL ROPES KEEPING IT WHITE.

UM, I THINK CREATES MORE UNIFORMITY VERSUS HAVING THIS PLACE ALL LIT UP AND RED AND GREEN AND BLUE.

AND, OR LIKE THAT ONE THAT IT'S ALL RED.

I DON'T KNOW.

IT JUST SEEMS LIKE IT WOULD BE EASIER TO HAVE EVERYTHING, ALL ONE COLOR.

I KNOW THAT'S PROBABLY ASKING A LOT, BUT THEN IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE A CIRCUS OR THE MIDWAY.

THAT'S ALL SORRY, PHIL, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING? YEAH, I'M, I'M, I'M A LITTLE UNDECIDED, UM, WITH REGARD TO THIS, I MEAN, THERE'S, IT SEEMS LIKE IT COMES DOWN TO PREFERENCE, UM, WITH REGARD TO WHAT LOOKS NICE AND WHAT THE BUSINESS OWNER CHOOSE TO PUT CHOOSES TO PUT UP, TO, TO ATTRACT, UH, PEOPLE TO THEIR BUSINESS.

AND THESE EXAMPLES THAT YOU GAVE TONY ARE FANTASTIC.

YOU KNOW, IT, MY PERSONAL PREFERENCE IS THAT THE RED IS ABRASIVE IS MY PERSONAL PREFERENCE, BUT THAT MIGHT NOT BE ANOTHER PERSON, ANOTHER CUSTOMER'S PERSONAL PREFERENCE.

UM, TONY, COULD YOU GO TO THE, THE SLIDE WITH, UM, DAMASCUS AND, AND, UH, YEAH, THAT, TO ME, MY PREFERENCE IS THAT'S A STATICALLY PLEASING.

UM, BUT TO OTHER PEOPLE THAT MIGHT NOT CATCH THEIR EYE.

UM, SO I, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW, I GUESS I'M TRYING TO FIND A BALANCE HERE BETWEEN

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AND LIKE MY COLLEAGUE HERE SAID UNIFORMITY, UM, I GUESS THAT'S WHERE I STAND RIGHT NOW.

A LITTLE UNDECIDED.

THE STAFF REPORT SAYS, GENERALLY SPEAKING, THE ALCOHOL SIDE ORDINANCE IS MEANT TO SERVE THE INTERESTS OF COMMUNITY AESTHETICS, VEHICULAR, AND PEDESTRIAN SAFETY AND TO PROTECT AND PRESERVE PROPERTY VALUES.

SO THERE'S, THERE'S THIS, UH, DISCUSSION OR THIS PRINCIPLE CALLED LIGHT POLLUTION IN, IN PLANNING.

AND IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT VEGAS FROM SPACE, IT'S LIT UP WITHIN LIGHT POLLUTION, THERE ARE SEVERAL ELEMENTS AND ONE OF THEM IS CALLED A LIGHT CLUTTER.

AND THAT'S WHEN THERE'S SO MANY THINGS COMPETING FOR THE EYE THAT IT TAKES YOU OFF OF THINGS THAT YOU SHOULD BE WATCHING.

SO I THINK ONE OF YOUR FIRST SLIDES WAS YOU SAID WAS NOT OF DOWNTOWN OKLAHOMA, BUT ACTUALLY I HAVE SEEN THAT KIND OF ARRANGEMENT IN DOWNTOWN OKLAHOMA.

THOSE MAY NOT BE THE STOREFRONTS, BUT I'VE SEEN THOSE COLORS ON WINDOWS AND WITH THE LED, IT'S THE BRIGHTNESS OF IT.

AND IT'S MEANT TO DRAW YOUR EYE TO THOSE LOCATIONS.

NOW, DOWNTOWN OKLAHOMA ALSO HAS A SIDEWALK MID-BLOCK AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING ANOTHER ONE IN ON SOUTH ENZA AND THE NEXT STAFF REPORT AGENDA ITEM, UM, THAT IF YOU WALK, UH, IN BETWEEN TWO BOLLARDS, WHICH HAVE A LIGHT SENSOR, THEN IT'LL LIGHT UP THE FLASHING LIGHTS IN THE SIDEWALK.

MY CONCERN IS FOR SAFETY.

IF ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU HAVE THESE LIGHTS COMPETING, SAYING, LOOK AT ME, LOOK AT ME, CAUSE THEY'RE BRIGHT, THEY'RE FLASHING, THEY'RE DIFFERENT COLORS AND YOU MISS THE SPEED LIMIT SIGN.

YOU MISS THE FLASHING, SOMEBODY IN A SIDEWALK OR A CROSSWALK.

AND THAT'S A SAFETY CONCERN I HAVE FOR LIGHT CLUTTER FOR CERTAIN IT'S THE BRIGHTNESS OF THESE LEDS.

AND I WOULD DISTINGUISH THEM AS STRIP LIGHTS VERSUS STRING LIGHTS, UH, AS MR. ORTIZ.

AND MRS. METRO SAID, THE STRING LIGHTS ON PATIOS ARE VERY AESTHETICALLY PLEASING.

IT'S THE STRIP LIGHTS, UH, OR ROPE LIGHTS, WHICH ARE IN WINDOWS AT THE BRIGHTNESS IS MEANT TO TAKE AWAY FROM YOUR EYE ON THE ROAD.

AND THAT IS A SAFETY CONCERN TO ME, AS WELL AS AN AESTHETIC CONCERN.

WELL, UH, I DON'T LIKE THE FLASHING LIGHTS AND I DON'T LIKE THE CHASING LIGHTS.

UH, THOSE TWO, I FIND VERY ANNOYING AND DISTRACTING.

UH, I THINK THAT THE, UH, MORE SUBTLE WHITE LIGHTS, UH, ARE GOOD.

UM, YOU KNOW, YOU GO DOWN MAIN STREET USA AND DISNEYLAND, AND ALL THE BUILDINGS ARE, ARE LIT UP AND IT'S BEAUTIFUL AND PEOPLE PAY BIG MONEY TO GO THERE.

UM, SO I THINK CONSISTENCY AND HAVING THE WHITE LIGHTS, UH, I THINK THAT ESPECIALLY THE RED LIGHTS LIKE COUNCIL MEMBER OR T'S SAID, OR THEY DON'T LOOK TOO GOOD AND I DON'T WANT THE PLACE TO LOOK LIKE DOWNTOWN LAS VEGAS WITH EVERYBODY, EVERYTHING IS COMPETING FOR YOUR ATTENTION.

SO, UM, UH, I, I, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE CAN DESCRIBE THE BRIGHTNESS OF LIGHTS, UH, THAT MAY BE AN ISSUE.

UH, AND, UH, BUT I WENT TO HOLLYWOOD STUDIOS AT DISNEY WORLD AND ALL THE BUILDINGS WERE OUTLINED IN LIGHTS AND WAS ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL, BUT IT WAS, IT WAS DONE VERY TASTEFULLY.

AND I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU, UH, PUT AN ORDINANCE THAT SAYS TASTEFULLY.

UH, BUT, UH, I, I THINK THAT, UH, THE, WELL, ACTUALLY THE BUSINESS KNOWS YOUR AGO TOLD ME THAT THEY LIKED THE LIGHTS AND THE WINDOW BECAUSE, UH, IT KEPT PEOPLE FROM SLEEPING RIGHT BELOW THEIR WINDOWS.

AND SO THAT'S ANOTHER ISSUE, UH, THAT WE MAY HAVE HERE, A SAFETY ISSUE.

AND IT'S KIND OF NICE WALKING ALONG THE SIDEWALK AND THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF EXTRA LIGHTS.

YOU CAN SEE WHAT'S GOING ON.

SO I WOULDN'T WANT TO BAN THE LIGHTS, BUT I THINK, UH, ANYTHING IS FLASHING OR MOVING.

I DON'T, I WOULDN'T LIKE THOSE TO BE THERE BECAUSE LIGHT IS THE ENEMY OF THE CRIMINALS.

SO, UH, I THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO HAVE LIGHTS AND

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A LOT OF THE AREAS.

I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE A CARVE OUT THOUGH FOR THE WINTER TIME PERIOD OF THANKSGIVING TO NEW YEAR'S DAY, A STAFF REPORT SET.

I THINK THAT'S CURRENTLY A TEMPORARY, UH, FREEDOM PERIOD BECAUSE CERTAINLY DURING THAT WINTER PERIOD COLOR IS FESTIVE.

SO I WOULD MAKE A CARVE OUT FOR THAT TIME PERIOD, AS FAR AS, UH, MEASURING THE INTENSITY OF LIGHT, WE DO HAVE A WAY TO DO THAT BY, BY WE CAN CALCULATE THE LUMENS, RIGHT? YEAH.

UM, THERE IS A, UM, IN TERMS OF ITS MANNER ON HOW TO, UH, UH, LIMIT LIGHT BRIGHTNESS BY ITS ELIMINATION NUMBER.

SO YEAH, THERE'S, THERE'S, UM, AN OPPORTUNITY THERE.

SO, UM, IN TERMS OF WHAT THE COUNCIL IS SAYING, IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT, UM, THEY ARE ASKING THAT STAFF RESEARCH THE ISSUE AND BRINGING SOMETHING TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION CITY COUNCIL.

BEFORE WE GO THERE, I'D LIKE TO BRING A COUPLE OF THINGS UP.

HAVE WE HAD, UH, PEOPLE COMPLAINING ABOUT THESE LIGHTS? WE HAVE NOT.

OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT STAFF AND I CONFIRMED AGAIN TODAY HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY COMPLAINTS.

DO WE KNOW OF ANY, UH, TRAFFIC ACCIDENTS WHERE PEOPLE SAID ALL THE REASON I CRASHED INTO SOMETHING, IT WAS BECAUSE I WAS DISTRACTED BY LIGHTS.

I DON'T, I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY, I DON'T KNOW.

THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'D HAVE TO CHECK WITH OUR CITY TRAFFIC ENGINEER.

THE PUBLIC LIKES THIS UNIFORMITY.

I WOULDN'T KNOW.

WE'LL HAVE TO CHECK WITH POLICE DEPARTMENT.

SO I'M GOING TO TAKE IT A LITTLE BIT OF A LIBERTARIAN CONTRARY TO THE VIEW OF THIS.

I THINK WE'RE COMING OFF AN, THE UNPRECEDENTED TYPE WHERE BUSINESSES HAVE SUFFERED SIGNIFICANTLY AND PUTTING A NEW BURLEIGH TO BAIDU LIGHTS CHANGED THEIR LIGHTS.

UM, THAT'S A PROBLEM, BUT I THINK PSYCHOLOGICALLY, IT'S ALSO A PROBLEM TO SAY WE'RE GOING TO LIMIT YOUR ABILITY TO ATTRACT CUSTOMERS COMING OFF OF THE WORST YEAR OF BUSINESS IN YOUR HISTORY AND COMING OF A TIME OF PERHAPS MANY PEOPLE'S OPINIONS, THE MOST ONEROUS GOVERNMENT OVERREACH IN HISTORY.

SO NOW WE'RE GOING TO PICK THEM UP, HAVE A LIGHTS NOBODY'S COMPLAINING ABOUT IT.

I'M NOT SURE THAT I'M NOT SURE THIS WAS THE RIGHT TIRE.

THEY'D BE DOING SUPPLY.

HAVING SAID THAT, UM, CAN, SO IS IT POSSIBLE THAT MAYBE, OKAY, I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT COMING UP IN THE COVID RESTRICTIONS AND A LOT OF BUSINESSES, BUT PERHAPS IF WE DECIDED WE WANTED TO GO THAT ROUTE, THAT BEFORE OF US HAD TALKED ABOUT, MAYBE GIVE THEM A YEAR AND SAY YOU HAVE 365 DAYS OR WHATEVER, AND THEN WE'LL START MAYBE LOOKING INTO IT AND I GET THE WHOLE FREEDOM THING, BUT ALSO I THINK WE NEED TO, I THINK IT HELPS TO HAVE SOME UNIFORMITY HELPS ALSO TO BRING, UM, BRING ALCOHOL UP TO THE NEXT LEVEL INSTEAD OF BEING ALL OF THIS LIGHTS AND GARISHNESS THAT'S AROUND, WE ALREADY HAVE, YOU KNOW, A REPUTATION.

SO WHY NOT BRING IT UP A LITTLE BIT MORE WHERE WE HAVE, IT'S A STATISTICALLY PLEASING, BUT MAYBE DELAY IMPLEMENTING THAT FOR A YEAR TO GIVE BUSINESSES TIME TO RECOUP SOME OF THEIR LOSSES AND TO GET STARTED BACK UP AGAIN, JUST AN IDEA.

WELL, THAT'S, UH, I'M SYMPATHETIC TO LESS GOVERNMENT REGULATIONS IS BETTER, BUT WE ALSO HAVE, UH, EXISTING DESIGN STANDARDS ALREADY ON THE BOOKS FOR THE DOWNTOWN.

IF YOU CAN'T PAINT YOUR BUILDING PURPLE IN DOWNTOWN, OKLAHOMA, YOU MUST AN HOA IS HAVE DESIGN STANDARDS FOR THEIR COMMUNITIES TO LOOK GOOD.

SO WE'RE NOT SETTING A PRECEDENT HERE.

UH, I'M NOT SURE THAT THE EFFECTIVENESS OF THESE COLORS IN DRAWING IN CUSTOMERS REALLY, REALLY DOES ITS THING.

AND I I'M WITH MRS. MITCHELL SAYING, WE'RE TRYING TO, UH, IMPROVE THE AESTHETICS OF THE COMMUNITY.

UH, I DON'T WANT TO DIE ON THIS HILL AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

UM, I, YOU KNOW, I WOULD VOCIFEROUSLY OPPOSE IT.

I, I JUST, MY, MY GUT TELLS ME IT'S GOING TO BE POORLY RECEIVED EITHER REALLY UPSET SOME FOLKS, YOU KNOW, I'M GOING TO GIVE AN EXAMPLE HERE.

IT'S MAYBE A LITTLE BIT OF A STRETCH, BUT

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AN EXAMPLE OF THAT, I LIVE IN AN AREA IN FLETCHER HILLS THAT HAS A HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION AND, AND THERE'S A, UH, ANOTHER COMMUNITY ON THE OTHER SIDE OF FLETCHER HILLS BUILT BY EXACTLY THE SAME, UH, BUILDER AND THEIR HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION WENT DEFUNCT ABOUT 20 YEARS AGO AND THE HOUSES IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, EVERYBODY'S GOT A NICE LAWN EVERYTHING'S PAINTED UNIFORMLY.

AND THEN, AND THE OTHER NEIGHBORHOOD, THERE'S NO CARS ON THE FRONT LAWN WEEDS AND, AND HOUSES ARE SOME TIMES, UH, UNUSUAL COLORS AND THE HOUSES OF MY NEIGHBORHOOD SULFUR QUITE A BIT MORE.

AND, AND THAT'S, THAT'S A LOT OF TIMES WHY PEOPLE GO TO HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION.

CAUSE I W I DIDN'T WANT MY NEIGHBOR TO PINK.

MY, YOU KNOW, HIS HOUSE, YOU KNOW, PINK.

AND, UH, I THINK THE SAME CONCEPT APPLIES FOR CITIES.

THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THE PLANNING.

SO YOU GO INTO THE, YOU GO INTO THE AREA AND THERE'S A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF CONSISTENCY.

UH, THEY'RE HOMOGENEOUS AS THEY SEE IN THE REAL ESTATE FIELD.

AND THAT ADDS VALUE AND PEOPLE FEEL COMFORTABLE THERE.

BUT, AND I USED TO, WHEN I WAS TEACHING REAL ESTATE CLASSES AT SOUTHWESTERN, I USE USE THE EXAMPLE OF THE WORST CASE WAS DONE BY THE SPRING VALLEY SWAP, MEET WHERE YOU HAVE A TIRE STORE WITH A FLASHING RED LIGHTS AND THEN A SINGLE FAMILY HOME, AND THEN SOME BUSINESS AND AN APARTMENT BUILDING AND A JUNKYARD.

AND DIDN'T HAVE THAT HOME.

WOULD YOU, NOW THAT WE HAVE, UH, IN SOME, SOME AREAS THAT THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE ZONING, AND I THINK THAT DESIGN ACTUALLY ADDS A LOT OF VALUE.

I KNOW, I KNOW THERE'S A BUILDING IN DOWNTOWN THAT I DROVE BY THE OTHER DAY, THEY PAINTED IT BLUE AND IT WAS KIND OF JARRING BECAUSE IT DIDN'T MATCH ANYTHING ELSE.

AND, UM, THAT THAT'S, THAT'S WHY WE NEED TO GO TO, UH, YOU KNOW, WALT DISNEY WORLD OR DISNEYLAND.

YOU GO AROUND THE CORNER AND TO THE CHANGE IS IT'S VERY SUBTLE, BUT, YOU KNOW, ARCHITECTURAL, A LOT OF TIMES THE ARCHITECTURE SCHOOLS SEND PEOPLE TO DISNEYLAND TO STUDY IT BECAUSE IT IS CONSIDERED LIKE THE BEST ARCHITECTURE IN THE WORLD.

SO I THINK THAT'S WHY WE HAVE PLANNING.

AND IT MAKES A LOT MORE PLEASANT EXPERIENCE THAN WHETHER YOU'RE DRIVING DOWN THE STREET.

AND ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU SEE THIS RED FLASHING SITE.

AND I KNOW EVEN WITH, UH, YEARS AGO, WHEN THEY PUT UP THE, THE, UH, ELECTRONIC SIGN ON INTERSTATE EIGHT, SAN DIEGO STATE SIGN WAS SO BRIGHT.

I MEAN, IT SHOCKED ME WHEN I'M DRIVING DOWN THE FREEWAY.

OH MY GOSH.

YOU KNOW, SO, UH, I REMEMBER THE GO-GO GIRL USED TO HAVE THAT, AND THAT WAS A DIFFERENT ONE.

I REMEMBER THAT, UM, IT WAS A LONG TIME AGO, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, WE'RE TRYING TO CHANGE THE IMAGE OF ELKA HOME.

AND I THINK IF WE DO THINGS VERY TASTEFULLY, UH, AND NOT HAVE IT LOOK LIKE DOWNTOWN LAS VEGAS, WE'RE NOT DONE DOWNTOWN LAS VEGAS.

I DON'T WANT TO BE.

AND, AND, UH, I THINK BUSINESSES WILL STEP UP TO THE PLATE BECAUSE PEOPLE WILL SEE YOU'LL FEEL SAFER WHEN YOU HAVE LIGHTING.

SO I DON'T WANT TO OUTLAW, YOU KNOW, THESE LIGHTS AT ALL, BUT FLASHING AND MOVING LIGHTS.

I, I THINK WE NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT COMPROMISE WITH, I DON'T KNOW WHERE TO GET THE FUNDING FOR THIS.

THERE PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE VERY MUCH BECAUSE WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT VERY MANY LIGHTS.

THOSE PEOPLE THAT WERE TELLING ME, THEY HAVE TO TAKE DOWN THEIR LIGHTS AND REPLACE THEM WITH WHITE LIGHTS.

IS THERE A WAY WE CAN FIND SOME FUN STUFF TO GIVE THEM, UH, UH, FACADE GRABS FOR A COUPLE HUNDRED DOLLARS TO PAY FOR THAT? SO WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT JUST ARBITRARILY CAPRICIOUSLY FORCING THEM TO DO SOMETHING.

IS THAT OKAY? I HAVE TO.

I LIKE YOUR PROPOSAL, MR. MERRICK.

I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY, ARE WE TALKING ABOUT DIFFERENT COLORED LIGHTS OTHER THAN WHY ARE WE, OH, IS THE OPPOSITION TO THIS GREEN AND RED? OR IS IT THE BRIGHTNESS I WANT, UM, I'M NOT, I'M UNCLEAR OF, OF MAYBE WHERE OUR OPPOSITION IS WITH REGARD TO THE LIGHTS.

IS IT WHATEVER BE BUDDY BE OKAY WITH JUST ONLY ALLOWING WHITE LIGHTS OR THEY JUST WANT, ARE THEY OKAY WITH EVERYBODY? UH, ALL LIGHTS ARE ALLOWED, BUT THEY'RE A DIFFERENT, LOWER LUMEN AMOUNT.

I I'M, I'M KIND OF NOT UNDERSTANDING WHERE A LOT

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OF MY COLLEAGUES PERSPECTIVE, IT'S KIND OF ALL THE TABLE.

IT'S ALL ON THE TABLE.

UM, WHO BUILDS PERMISSION HERE? WE'RE HAVING A DISCUSSION.

THAT'S, UH, I THINK BOTH OF THOSE THINGS, UH, I THINK THERE MEANS TO BE SOME GUIDANCE WITH THE LUMENS.

SO YOU GONNA HAVE A REALLY BRIGHT STORE CAUSE THERE IS GOING TO BE AN INCENTIVE TO SOMEONE HAD THE BRIGHTEST LIGHTS IN TOWN.

AND THEN I'M NOT SURE ON THE COLORS, CAUSE I'M RATHER ARTISTICALLY CHALLENGED.

THAT'S NOT MY FORTE.

AND I'D LIKE TO LEAVE THAT TO STAFF WHO'S BEEN TRAINED IN THAT I'D LIKE TO SEE, UH, SOME OF YOUR ARTWORK.

SO IS THAT, UM, TONY, COULD YOU KIND OF RESEARCH AND COME BACK WITH THE FEASIBILITY OF ASKING PEOPLE TO KEEP THEIR, THEIR WHITE OUTPUT, A CERTAIN INTENSITY LEVEL? ABSOLUTELY.

WE CAN, WE CAN RESEARCH THAT AND WE CAN BRING THAT BACK, THAT INFORMATION, IF YOU WANT THAT BEFORE PROVIDING ANY DIRECTION OR YOU CAN MAKE IT PART OF YOUR RECOMMENDATION AND THEN WE CAN CARRY THAT FORWARD.

I THINK WE'RE GETTING CLOSER EQUITATION.

I'D LIKE TO SEE WHAT THE POLICIES ARE AND SOME OF THESE UPSCALE COMMUNITIES, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO USE SPRING.

VALLEY'S AN EXAMPLE.

SO, YOU KNOW, LET'S, LET'S LOOK AT SOME UPSCALE, YOU KNOW, LA JOLLA, BEVERLY HILLS CULVER CITY, YOU KNOW, BUT YOU KNOW, LET'S, LET'S STRIVE FOR THE BEST.

SO AS PART OF OUR, UM, PART OF A RECOMMENDATION, THERE COULD BE, UM, UM, A COMPARISON WITH OTHER JURISDICTIONS.

ABSOLUTELY.

I MIND I'D RATHER THE ONLY COLOR BE WHITE.

I'D RATHER IT NOT BE BRIGHT.

UH, I WOULD ALSO REMIND OURSELVES WE HAVE A VERY PERMISSIVE SIGN CODE THAT MANY TIMES DURING THE YEAR, PERHAPS 200 DAYS OUT OF THREE 65, YOU CAN HANG BANNERS, FLAGS, UH, OTHER TEMPORARY PROMOTE, UH, HANGING FLAGS.

THERE ARE OTHER, UH, VERY GENEROUS PERMISSIBLE, UM, PROMOTIONAL SIGN ELEMENTS THAT EXIST TODAY, OTHER THAN JUST LIGHTS.

HOW WOULD YOU FEEL ABOUT THE STEP? LOOKING AT THE POSSIBILITY, FUNNY, A FUNDING SOURCE FOR THOSE PEOPLE THAT HAD TO GO THROUGH A FINANCIAL HARDSHIP TO CHANGE THEIR WHITES? I'M ABSOLUTELY THERE.

UH, I'M GONNA COME UP WITH A SUGGESTION ABOUT A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM UNDER ITEM 17, UH, USING AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN FUNDS FOR THAT.

YEAH, I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA, BILL.

CAN WE, CAN WE GET FEEDBACK FROM THE DOWNTOWN BUSINESS PARTNERSHIP, UM, AND MAYBE ENLIST SOME, SOME FEEDBACK FROM THEM AS WELL? THANKS PARTIES.

I WAS GOING TO SUGGEST, SO THIS WILL BE MY THIRD TIME LOOKING AT A SIGN ORDINANCE AND I CAN GUARANTEE YOU YOU'RE HAVING A CONVERSATION NOW, BUT ONCE THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY HERE IS THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE A VERY STRONG OPINION.

SO I THINK THERE'S VALUE IN ENGAGING THEM SOONER THAN LATER.

SO I WOULD RECOMMEND AS PART OF THIS, I THINK WE NEED TO BRING SOMETHING BACK TO THE CITY COUNCIL.

I THINK WE NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE DIRECTION.

UM, YOU'VE GIVEN US SOME, SOME RESEARCH PROJECTS THAT WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT OTHER ZONING AND OTHER LOCATIONS.

WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT SOME OTHER EXAMPLES.

WE'LL LOOK AT THE LUMENS CONCEPTS.

WE'LL ENGAGE BOTH THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE AND THE DOWNTOWN PARTNERSHIP AND GET SOME FEEDBACK FROM THEM AS WELL.

UM, I THINK FROM THERE YOU'LL HAVE ENOUGH FEEDBACK TO GIVE SOME DIRECTION TO STAFF THAT WE CAN GO BACK AND LOOK AT MAKING A MODIFICATION THAT WE'LL TAKE TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

WONDERFUL.

THANK YOU, BILL.

I JUST WANT TO LET TONY KNOW THAT THE FIRST TIME I DEALT WITH THE ALCON SIDE ORDINANCE WAS IN 1972 WHEN, AS A SENIOR IN A CIVICS CLASS AND I HAD TO GO TO ELKO AND CITY COUNCIL MEETING AND THEY HAD THE DOUGHNUT SIGN OVERNIGHT GO HOME BOULEVARD THAT SPUN AROUND AND THEY DIDN'T LIKE THAT.

SO IT WAS A RATHER RIOTOUS MEETING.

ALRIGHT.

UH, TONY, THANK YOU.

UH, ANGELA, DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS ON THE SIDE OF, WE HAVE NO COMMENTS, SIR.

FOURTH ADMINISTRATOR REPORT OUT OF 14 IS REGARDING THE ANALYSIS OF A WATER FEATURE AT WALL'S PARK.

UH, STAFF, YOU'VE GOT YOUR DIRECTION.

DO YOU NEED A MOTION OF ANY GOOD THOUGH? OKAY.

UH, THE

[14. Analysis of a Water Feature at Wells Park RECOMMENDATION: That the City Council directs staff on how to proceed regarding a water feature at Wells Park.]

AND I'LL ASK STEPH TO TELL US ABOUT THIS.

THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

SO ON FEBRUARY NINE, THE CITY COUNCIL DIRECTED STAFF TO DO AN ANALYSIS OF A POTENTIAL WATER FEATURE AT WELLS PARK.

AND THIS IS JUST TO UPDATE YOU ON THAT ANALYSIS AND THEN ALSO SEEK FURTHER DIRECTION FROM YOU.

UH, WE

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WERE ABLE TO SURVEY ABOUT 14 AGENCIES.

WE PUT A STATEWIDE SURVEY OUT THERE.

THAT'S WHY YOU SEE SOME AGENCIES THAT MAY HAVE UNFAMILIAR NAMES TO YOU, UH, AS WELL AS JUST CONTACTING OUR LOCAL COUNTERPARTS, IF THEY DIDN'T COMPLETE THE SURVEY, JUST TO REALLY GET THEIR FEEDBACK IN AN IDEA.

THERE ARE OTHER AGENCIES THAT I DIDN'T LIST ON HERE, AND I'LL TALK ABOUT THAT TOWARD THE END.

AND I DIDN'T LIST THEM ON MY COUNCIL REPORT BECAUSE THEY STOPPED USING THEIR WATER FEATURE FOR ONE REASON OR ANOTHER.

AND I'LL BRIEFLY EXPLAIN WHAT THE, HOW THEY EXPLAINED THAT TO ME.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT I DID WHATEVER.

UM, SO THERE'S REALLY A FEW DIFFERENT TYPES OF WATER FEATURES THAT ARE OUT THERE.

AND I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT THREE OF THEM, SPECIFICALLY WHAT YOU SEE IN THE UPPER RIGHT AREA.

THIS IS A MEMORIAL POOL PART OF CITY OF SAN DIEGO.

AND THIS IS A VERY COMMON TYPE OF SPLASH PAD IT'S BUILT WITHIN THE SWIMMING POOL.

SO SAVE SAN MARCOS.

THEY HAVE THREE DIFFERENT TYPES OF WATER FEATURES.

ONE IS EXACTLY LIKE THIS CITY OF CARLSBAD.

THERE'S EXACTLY LIKE THIS ALSO AT OREGON NORTH DAY.

AND SO THE TOP, RIGHT? AND THE REASON WHY I USE THE MEMORIAL IS BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S ONE OF THE MOST, MOST NEWER ONES IT'S IN, UH, IT'S SOMETHING THAT CITY OF SAN DIEGO IS PROUD OF.

UM, THEY, THEY DO HAVE THIS YEAR-ROUND, BUT IT'S ONLY OPEN ON SATURDAYS DURING THE COOLER MONTHS.

UH, AND THIS IS A PAY TO PLAY TYPE OF THING.

IT'S FULLY GATED, FULLY SECURE TYPE OF FACILITY.

THE BOTTOM LEFT.

THIS IS ALSO A PAY-TO-PLAY, UH, BUT THIS IS HILTON HILTON HEAD, OR I'M SORRY, GIVE ME A SECOND.

UM, IT'S HILTON HEAD.

IT'S PART OF THE COUNTY SAN DIEGO RANCHO.

AND THAT ONE IS A PAY TO PLAY IT'S THEY HAVE A VERY SHORT SEASON IT'S MORE OR LESS LIKE A MEMORIAL DAY TO LABOR DAY TYPE OF SEASON.

AND IT IS A SECURED AREA.

IT'S $3 A DAY OR $30 FOR THE SEASON.

UM, AND THEN WHAT YOU SEE IN THE MIDDLE, THIS IS NEW TO OUR REGION.

THIS IS, UH, AT A AND THIS IS PART OF MISSION VALLEY.

IT'S A CITY CENTRAL PARK, BUT THE DEVELOPER BUILT THIS WITHIN, UM, AND THIS IS A LOW AMENITY.

SO A VERY LIMITED AMENITY TYPE OF FEATURE, AS YOU CAN SEE, I PUT TWO PICTURES.

SO TO SHOW YOU WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE AT NIGHT AT THE BOTTOM VERSUS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE DURING THE DAYTIME AND WATER JUST SHOOTS UP SIMPLY, UH, AND THAT THAT'S A VERY BASIC FEATURE.

UM, ONE OF, ONE OF OUR COUNTERPART AGENCIES IN THE COUNTY, THEY STOPPED USING THEIR WATER FEATURE ABOUT THREE YEARS AGO.

THAT'S EXACTLY LIKE , UH, AND IT'S JUST, THEY COULDN'T AFFORD IT ANYMORE.

AND THAT'S, AND I DIDN'T IDENTIFY THEM.

I DIDN'T WANT TO SAY ANYTHING BAD ABOUT THEM, BUT THEY, THEY TOLD ME VERY DIRECTLY THAT THEY JUST COULD NOT AFFORD IT AT THIS TIME OF MAINTAINING IT.

IT'S NOT A LOT OF MONEY, BUT IT IS A LOT OF MONEY.

SO THESE ARE THINGS THAT THEIR, THEIR OWN BODY HAD TO REALLY EVALUATE.

UM, SO SOME RECENT CONSTRUCTION, WHAT I WAS ABLE TO LOCATE OR WHAT STAFF ALL AROUND WHEN WE WERE DOING AN INVESTIGATION, WHAT WE'RE ABLE TO LOCATE IS I ATTACHED TWO EXAMPLES OF SOME COST ESTIMATES.

SO CHINO JUST COMPLETED THERE'S.

THIS WAS THEIR, THEIR PICTURE THAT THEY, THAT THEY SUBMITTED TO COUNCIL.

AND IT WAS APPROVED AS PART OF THE DESIGN.

THIS IS A FULL FEATURE, FULL AMENITY WATER, OR SPLASH PAD, ZERO DEPTH, UM, TYPE OF THING.

UH, WHITTIER IS A LOWER AMENITY TYPE OF ONE, AND THEY HAVEN'T COMPLETED THEIR PROJECT YET, BUT THAT'S ABOUT 750,000 IN TERMS OF ESTIMATE.

CHINO TOLD ME THAT AT THE END, IT WAS MORE LIKE 1.9 MILLION.

UM, WHAT, WHAT THE FINAL COST CAME OUT TO BE, AND WHITTIER WAS CLOSER TO THE 1.2 MILLION MARK JUST WITH DIFFERENT DESIGN STANDARDS.

AND AS TIME GOES ON COSTCO UP, SO OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE COSTS, THESE ARE OUR BEST ESTIMATES OF WHAT STAFF SEE AS POTENTIAL ANNUAL COSTS AND THE OPEN TIME PERIODS.

AND I MENTIONED THE PROBABLY THE MOST COMMON THAT WE SEE IN THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA IS FOR SPLASH PADS THAT ARE VERY BASIC, A MEMORIAL DAY TO LABOR DAY TYPE OF CONCEPT THAT THEY'RE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.

UM, OTHERS ARE FOUR MONTHS, SIX MONTHS OR ALL YEAR.

SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE COUNTY SAN DIEGO WATERFRONT PARK, AND I TALK ABOUT THEM IN JUST A MINUTE, BUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE OPEN THREE, THREE AND 65 DAYS A YEAR, THAT WATER FEATURE, UNLESS IT'S CLOSED OFF FOR MAINTENANCE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BUT IT'S DESIGNATED TO BE OPEN ALL YEAR LONG, 9:00 AM TO 9:00 PM, TUESDAY THROUGH SUNDAY, AND THEN MONDAYS 11 TO NINE.

CAUSE THEY DO A LITTLE BIT LONGER MAINTENANCE ON MONDAY MORNING.

UM, BUT YOU HAVE TO ALSO IMAGINE THAT THEY HAVE 24 HOUR SECURITY AND THEY PAY OVER A MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR FOR THAT 24 HOUR SECURITY FOR THAT COUNTY WATERFRONT PARK.

THAT INCLUDES A SHERIFF BEING STATIONED THERE ALSO 24 HOURS A DAY AT THAT LOCATION.

SO OUR BEST ESTIMATE IS WHAT YOU SEE HERE.

AND IT'S A TOTAL OF APPROXIMATELY $68,760.

IF WE'RE LOOKING AT A FEATURE THAT WOULD HAVE SOME TYPE OF ATTENDANCE, AT LEAST PART OF THE YEAR.

SO A SHORT-TERM PERIOD, MAYBE A MEMORIAL DAY TO LABOR DAY

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TYPE OF SETUP, UM, WHERE WE WOULD HAVE THAT WATER FEATURE.

YOU ALSO WANT TO REMEMBER THAT, UH, OTHER CONSIDERATIONS ARE IN THE REASON WHY I PUT THIS HERE IS THAT SIZE AND SCOPE WOULD, WOULD DETERMINE IF, IF, IF THE PUBLIC WOULD START DEMANDING A CHANGING ROOM.

SO YOUR LOWER AMENITY ONE LIKE THE CIVIC TUB, WHERE JUST TO HAVE WATER SHOOTING OUT OF THE BOTTOM, THERE WOULDN'T BE A PUBLIC EXPECTATION NECESSARILY OF A, OF A CHANGING ROOM FOR KIDS OR FAMILIES.

BUT THE MORE AMENITIES YOU HAVE, THE MORE LIKELIHOOD YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A CHANGING ROOM NEED.

SO COUNTY SAN DIEGO WATERFRONT PARK, YOU'LL SEE IN THE BOTTOM LEFT, IT'S FEATURED VERY WELL.

IT IS A REGIONAL DRAW, BUT THEY HAVE NOT ONLY CHANGING ROOMS. IF THEY HAVE A FULL-SCALE BATHROOM THAT IS, HAS ALSO, UH, AN ATTENDANT THEY'RE CLEANING THE BATHROOM ALL THE TIME.

THEY, THEY DON'T LEAVE.

SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THEY HAVE INVESTED IN ON THE BOTTOM RIGHT HERE.

THIS IS PADRE DAM IN SANTEE LAKES.

AND, UH, THAT THE STEPS THEY GAVE ME WERE A LITTLE VAGUE BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T INCLUDE STAFF TIME AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

IT WAS JUST FOR SUPPLIES AND SERVICES.

SO, UH, THERE'S IS A PAY TO PLAY COUNTY, WATERFRONT PARK ISN'T, BUT PADRE DAM IS, AND SANTEE LAKES IS EITHER $2 FOR A WEEKDAY, $3 FOR A WEEKEND.

THEY ALSO CHARGE FOR PARKING AT PADRE DAM.

UM, WHAT OTHER CONSIDERATIONS WE HAVE TO CONSIDER ARE, DO WE HAVE A LIFEGUARD BECAUSE IF IT'S A CERTAIN DEPTH, THEN WE NEED TO HAVE A LIFEGUARD.

IF IT'S A ZERO DEPTH, WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE ONE, BUT SHOULD WE HAVE AN ATTENDANT JUST TO ENSURE THAT THEY'RE SAFE, INSECURE.

UM, ALSO, AND THIS IS NOT A PLEASANT SUBJECT TO TALK ABOUT, BUT I DO NEED TO IDENTIFY THAT SPLASH PETS SPECIFICALLY ARE, UM, SUSCEPTIBLE TO CRYPTOSPORIDIUM.

AND IF YOU'VE EVER BEEN TO A PUBLIC POOL IN THE LAST FOUR YEARS, THE COUNTY AND THE STATE REQUIRES TO PUT UP THE DIARRHEA SIGNS THAT IF YOU'VE HAD DIARRHEA IN LAST TWO WEEKS, DON'T COME HERE, SAME THING WITH SPLASH PADS.

BUT THE REASON WHY THEY'RE MORE VULNERABLE IS BECAUSE THAT, THAT WATER IS AT ZERO DEPTH.

DOESN'T ALWAYS HAVE THAT CONTACT WITH CHLORINE, AND THAT'S WHY THEY, THE COUNTY AND THE STATE REQUIRES TO HAVE AN ULTRAVIOLET LIGHT, WHICH HAS ANOTHER FACTOR.

THERE'S ALSO HUMAN ERROR WHEN HANDLING OR CLEANING THE ULTRA VIA LIGHT.

SO WE WOULD HAVE TO REPLACE THAT AS WELL.

AND THAT'S ANYWHERE FROM TWO TO $3,000 EVERY TIME THAT THERE'S A HUMAN ERROR TRYING TO CLEAN IT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT WITH A SPLASH PAD.

UH, THAT COMPLETES MY REPORT.

UH, FRANK, WHAT, THE PLACES THAT CHARGE WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE RANGE.

SO IT'S DEFINITELY ALL OVER THE BOARD.

UM, THE AVERAGE IS ABOUT $5, BUT LIKE I SAID, THE SANTEE LAKES IS THE LOWEST ON WEEKDAYS.

IT'S $2 AND THEN WE CAN SAY $3, BUT THE AVERAGE IS $5 PER PERSON, UH, TO CHARGE AND FOR THE ONES THAT ARE THE BARE BASICS WITHOUT ALL THE OTHER BELLS AND WHISTLES, WHAT ARE, THOSE ARE UNUSUALLY.

THOSE ARE USUALLY FREE BECAUSE IT'S ZERO AMENITY AND A LOT OF MALLS WE'LL HAVE THOSE NOW, TOO.

IF YOU GO OUT TO LIKE, UM, UH, VA HAAS, THEY HAVE THAT GIANT WATER FEATURE THAT WILL SHOOT YOUR KID 30 FEET IN THE AIR.

UM, I DON'T RECOMMEND THAT ONE AT ALL, BY THE WAY, THEY, THEY ACTUALLY HAVE A PLACE THAT SELLS YOUR WATER SHOES.

THEY'RE JUST SO YOU DON'T LIFT SIX SKIN OFF THE FEET ON THAT ONE.

YEAH, I W I WAS OVER, UH, IN FACT, MY, MY SON GOT MARRIED A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO DOWN AT THE CAC, THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATION CENTER.

AND THERE WERE KIDS EVERYWHERE RUNNING THROUGH THAT FREE ONE, AND WE'RE HAVING A REALLY GOOD TIME.

EXACTLY.

THERE'S JUST OTHER FACTORS THAT PLAY WITH THAT, UM, THAT THE COUNCIL WOULD WANT TO CONSIDER.

SO IN TERMS OF SECURITY WITH THAT ONE, AND THEY DO HAVE A LOT OF SECURITY THERE WOULD, DOES THE COUNCIL WANT TO PROVIDE THAT ALSO, OR THERE MAY BE OTHER DEVIANT ACTIVITIES IF WE DON'T HAVE THAT SECURITY, UH, QUESTION FOR, UH, THE GRAMMAR, UH, MORGAN, UH, CAN WE CONTRACT OUT SECURITY AT A PLACE LIKE THAT? CERTAINLY, BUT REMEMBER FOR SECURITY, WE'D PROBABLY BE RECOMMENDING, I MEAN, FOR AN ATTENDANT PERSPECTIVE, WE WOULD JUST BE USING A REC LEADER THAT'S MINIMUM WAGE.

SO YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET CHEAPER THAN THAT.

ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, FRANKFURT.

OUR WORK ON THIS AND STAFF, UM, DO WE KNOW WHAT THE LIFESPAN IS OF THESE FACILITIES? I MEAN, ARE WE GOING TO HAVE TO BE REPLACING THESE EVERY FIVE YEARS? SO, UM, SOME OBSERVATIONS WITH THAT.

UH, SO I'LL GIVE YOU SOME EXAMPLES.

THE CITY OR CITY OF SAN DIEGO WITH TIERRA SANTA COMMUNITY POOL, THEY PUT IN THAT POOL IN 1996 AND THEIR WATER FEATURE STOPPED WORKING PROBABLY ABOUT FOUR OR FIVE YEARS AGO THAT, WELL, UH, THE AGENCY I WAS SPEAKING OF THAT WAS LIKE CIVICA, BUT THEY STOPPED USING THEIR WATER FEATURE THAT WAS BUILT IN 2006.

AND THAT STOPPED BEING FUNCTIONING AS OF THREE YEARS

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AGO.

USUALLY THE INDUSTRY STANDARD IS TO REPLACE AQUATIC FUTURE EVERY 15 TO 20.

I SEE.

AND THEN, UM, DO WE, IF WE WERE TO FUND THIS, THIS, THIS GENERAL FUND, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS A QUESTION FOR YOU FOR GRAHAM, OR ARE WE LOOKING FOR SPECIAL FUNDING THROUGH AMERICAN RESCUE OR, WELL, YOU CAN'T USE AMERICAN RESCUE FOR THIS, BUT YOU COULD USE, UM, CDBG CAPITAL IF YOU WERE PUTTING THIS AT WELLS PARK.

UM, SO THAT'S, UH, ELIGIBLE USE TO, UM, THE ANNUAL OPERATION COSTS.

SO YOU'D HAVE TO COME OUT OF THE GENERAL RESORB.

AND THEN FRANKIE, THIS IS KIND OF A CONCEPTUAL QUESTION.

IT SEEMS AS THOUGH WITH REGARD TO CHARGING, THE TWO WAYS WE COULD GO IS EITHER SIMPLE AND IT'S GOING TO APPEAL TO JUST OUR LOCAL RESIDENTS.

SO HAVE A SIMPLE SPLASH PAD.

THAT'S NOT EXTRAVAGANT.

AND IT, YOU TO SIT TO OUR LOCAL RESIDENTS OR LIKE THE COUNTY DID, OR SANTEE LAKES DO A HUGE ONE AND TRY AND DRAW ON A REGIONAL APPROACH AND THEN WE'D HAVE TO CHARGE MORE.

IS THAT KIND OF THE, ONE OF TWO DIRECTIONS THAT IT SEEMED LIKE THE PROJECT WOULD HAVE TO GO? OR THOSE ARE THE, REALLY THE DIRECTIONS THAT I SEE OTHER AGENCIES DOING.

I WANT TO SEE THIS FOR THE CHILDREN OF ALCOHOL.

I DON'T WANT PEOPLE COMING FROM ALL OVER THE COUNTY, SO I WANT IT SIMPLE.

I WANT IT CHEAP.

I MEAN, I HAD A GREAT TIME GROWING UP AS A KID IN SANTEE, JUST RUNNING THROUGH THE SPRINKLERS, BUT THESE KIDS DON'T HAVE A FRONT YARD, SO THEY CAN'T RUN THROUGH THE SPRINKLERS.

AND THERE THERE'S A LOT OF THEM THAT DON'T HAVE A LOT OF MONEY AND PROBABLY COULDN'T AFFORD THIS PAY $3 FOR A WHOLE DAY.

SO I WANT TO BASIC AND REALLY CHEAP.

SO THE KIDS I WANT TO USE, YOU KNOW, AND MAYBE THEY, EVERYBODY CLEARS OUT AFTER, YOU KNOW, AN HOUR AND THEY BRING IN ANOTHER GROUP OF KIDS.

SO, UM, IT GIVES THEM SOMETHING TO DO ON THESE HORRIFICALLY HOT ELK ON DAYS IN THE SUMMER.

AND IT WOULD BE OUR GIFT TO THE CHILDREN OF OKLAHOMA.

DURING THE SUMMER SEASON, WE'RE ABLE TO HAVE SOME KIND OF AGREEMENT WITH EITHER THE HIGH SCHOOLS OR THE MIDDLE SCHOOLS FOR FREE POOL DAY.

I HAD NO IDEA IT WAS GOING TO BE THIS MUCH WHEN I PROPOSED THIS.

UM, I MEAN THE CHEAP WAY TO GO IS JUST PUT A BUNCH OF SPRINKLERS OUT AND SAY, HAVE FUN, YOU KNOW, RUN THROUGH THE SPRINKLERS.

AND, AND, UH, LIKE I, I, AND I WAS ENVISIONING SOMETHING MORE FLAT.

SOMEBODY WALKS OVER THERE, BOOM, WATER SHOOTS UP, YOU KNOW, JUST IN MY MIND, I'M FEATURING, UH, I ENVISIONED FLAT SURFACE WATER, SHOOT, NETAPP TODDLERS RUNNING AROUND GRANDMA.

GRANDPA'S SITTING ON THE SIDE.

I WASN'T ANTICIPATING CLIMBING STUFF AND WATER AND CHANGING ROOMS AND ALL OF THAT.

NO, FIRST OF ALL, WE'RE ONE OF THE POOREST CITIES IN THE COUNTY.

SO I CAN'T SEE CHARGING ANYBODY, ANYTHING.

UM, IF WE'RE GOING TO DO IT, IT'S GOTTA BE FREE.

THAT'S JUST MY OPINION.

UM, SECOND OF ALL, I DON'T THINK THAT WE SHOULD BE TAKING ANY FUNDS.

YOU KNOW, IF WE CAN'T GET GRANTS TO FUND SOMETHING A LITTLE MORE THAN PUTTING OUT, YOU KNOW, THE SPRINKLERS IN THE YARD, UM, THEN MAYBE THIS ISN'T THE TIME TO DO IT.

I'M SORRY, GARY.

BUT, UM, I WAS, I'M THINKING JUST PLAIN, SOMETHING VERY SIMPLE, NO STAFF NEEDED, NO CHANGING ROOMS NEEDED.

YOU KNOW, I DON'T EVEN THINK WE EVEN NEED A FENCE AROUND.

IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT THEY CAN GO THROUGH FOR THE LOCAL KIDS, UH, IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD TO KIND OF PLAY AROUND MOSTLY FOR THE LITTLE ONES AND, YOU KNOW, MAYBE PUT A FOUNTAIN THERE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

SO WHEN THE WIND BLOWS, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THAT MIST COMES OFF.

I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE THIS JUST WASN'T, I JUST HAD A MUCH SMALLER SCALE IDEA.

ANYBODY ELSE, STEVE? ONE OF THE CONCERNS IS, UH, WE'VE SEEN WHAT HAD HAPPENED TO PUBLIC RESTROOMS AT WELLS PARK.

AND I HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT VANDALISM HERE, UNLESS IT'S SECURED IN A SIMILAR KIND OF WAY.

SO THERE'S 68,000 A YEAR FOR MAINTENANCE.

I THINK I'LL CALL THAT WARRANTY MAINTENANCE BECAUSE ANYTIME YOU UNDERGROUND PLUMBING, UH, THAT'S A RISK.

UH, SO I KIND OF AT LEAST WANT TO KEEP ALIVE COUNCILMAN KENDRICK'S SPIRIT.

THERE MIGHT BE A WAY TO USE EXISTING WATER ASSETS IN THE COUNTY OR IN THE CITY.

UH, WE'VE GOT HIGH SCHOOLS AND MIDDLE SCHOOLS WITH POOLS.

AND MAYBE

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IT'S NOT AN, IT'S NOT A MUNICIPAL POOL, BUT IT'S A, UH, CONTRACTED POOL.

IF YOU WANT TO CALL THAT.

AND MAYBE THAT DOES ON DAYS THAT WE KNOW IF THEY'RE GOING TO BE FORECASTED TO BE OVER X DEGREES, YOU HAVE A PROGRAM READY TO MEET AT WELLS PARK AND TAKE THE KIDS OVER TO SUCH AND SUCH A POOL FOR THE DAY.

I'D BE UP FOR THAT.

THAT SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD COMPROMISE.

BUT FRANK, DID YOU HAVE ANY IDEAS ABOUT OTHER WAYS TO ACCOMPLISH THE SAME GOAL WITHOUT GETTING INTO THE FINANCIAL PART? UM, WE HAVE BEEN IN TALKS WITH THE, UM, GIRLS IN YOUR HIGH SCHOOL DISTRICT, UH, AQUATIC SUPERVISOR ABOUT USING ART MONEY TO ALSO OFFER SOME TYPE OF AQUATIC PROGRAMMING WHEN THEY'RE NOT USING IT.

UH, AND SO THAT COULD TIE INTO THAT, ESPECIALLY WITH WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER GOOGLE WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT.

UM, WE COULD ALSO TIE IN THE REC SQUAD IN SOME WAY.

I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT PUTTING A SLIP AND SLIDE AND WELLS PARK AND PUTTING A HOSE, BUT BEING CREATIVE WITH THE REC SQUAD AND, AND, UH, OFFERING SOME TYPE OF TEMPORARY MRES, UH, IN THE PARK WHILE THE REC SPOT IS THERE.

AND LOOKING TO THAT INNOVATIVE IDEA, ONE OF OUR REC SQUAD PEOPLE ARE VERY CREATIVE IN TERMS OF THEIR INGENUITY AND ENGINEERING SKILLS.

SO WE CAN LOOK INTO THAT OPTION ALSO WITH THE REC SQUAD.

UH, ANY OTHER DIRECTION FOR FRANK? ACTUALLY, I LIKED THE IDEA OF THOSE MISTERS, ANYTHING TO COOL THEM DOWN.

WHY IT'S GOING TO BE REALLY CHEAP.

COULDN'T YOU PUT PERMIT PERMANENT MRES OVER PARK BENCHES TO, FOR PEOPLE TO HAVE LODGE OR WOULD PERMANENT MRES BE PROBLEMATIC? UM, I WOULD HAVE, I WANT TO TALK WITH OUR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR ABOUT ANY SEQUEL WITH, UH, CONCERNS IN TERMS OF UH LONG-TERM BUT JENNY TEMPORARY PLACEMENTS WERE PRETTY, UH, THERE'S A LOT MORE, UM, PERMISSABILITY IN TERMS OF USING THAT MEAN IT COULD BE TEMPORARY FOR THREE MONTHS, RIGHT? YEAH.

I'D BE COMING INTO THAT PLACE TO GO HAVE LUNCH.

COOL.

THAT A LITTLE BIT, AS OPPOSED TO AND HAVE THE OPTION TO TAKE A BUS OVER TO THE POOL.

I, WE COULDN'T, WE PROVIDE SOME TRANSPORTATION SERVICES TO, UH, TO SCHOOL.

SO FOR, FOR KIDS THAT, UH, DIDN'T HAVE ACCESS TO WALK TO A POOL, THEY COULD, WE ARE LOOKING AT THAT AS SPECIFICALLY AS AN OPTION WITH OUR ART MONEY.

WE'RE CURRENTLY IN CONVERSATION WITH COHEN, BELL UNION SCHOOL DISTRICT, THEIR ASSISTANT SUPERINTENDENT TO BUS KIDS FROM THE VALLEY FLOOR UP TO FLETCHER HILLS FOR SOME LESSONS DURING THE SUMMER TO ADD, OR TO INCREASE OUR CAPACITY BY AT LEAST TWO TIMES A SUMMER HOW'S COUNCIL FEEL ABOUT THAT.

ANY MORE DIRECTIONS FOR FREE? ALL RIGHT, FRANK, I THINK YOU'VE GOT OUR DIRECTION.

I'M GONNA SEE IF THERE'S ANY, UH, UH, PUBLIC HUB, BUT THANKS VERY MUCH.

NO COMMENTS WERE RECEIVED, SIR.

INNOVATIVE TECHNICAL SOLUTIONS THAT SUPPORT A SAFE, CONNECTED, THRIVING, AND DESIRABLE COMMUNITY FOR ALL RESIDENTS, BUSINESSES AND VISITORS.

UH, LET'S MOVE ON.

I'VE LOST MY ABILITY TO TURN THE PAGE.

OKAY,

[15. Adoption of the El Cajon 2.0 Strategic Plan RECOMMENDATION: That the City Council adopts the El Cajon 2.0 Strategic Plan. ]

GREAT.

THE NEXT ADMINISTER REPORT OUT OF 15 IS THE ADOPTION OF THE ALCOHOL 2.0 STRATEGIC PLAN.

IT'S DEFINITELY.

PLEASE TELL, TELL US ABOUT THOSE HIGH.

HI.

HELLO.

I'M SARAH.

HE IS DIRECTOR OF IT HERE TO REPORT BACK ON ALCOHOL IN 2.0, WHICH IS, UH, ELKA HONES, A SMART CITY PLAN THAT, UH, WE WERE DIRECTED BY THIS COUNCIL TO EXPLORE STARTING, UH, LAST SEPTEMBER.

SO WE TOOK A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE IN SMART CITY.

IN THAT WE DID QUITE A BIT OF OUTREACH TO KIND OF SEE WHAT SMART CITY MEANT AND COULD BE IN ELKA HONE.

SO THIS WAS NOT JUST AN, A WHOLE STAFF EFFORT, BUT WE ACTUALLY SOLICITED AND GOT GREAT RESPONSE FROM PUBLIC ACROSS THE BOARD.

AND, UH, THIS COUNCIL HEARD SOME OF THE RESULTS OF THOSE FINDINGS BACK IN JANUARY.

SINCE THAT TIME, WHEN YOU GAVE US OUR PRIORITIES, UH, WE'VE SAT DOWN AND WE LOOKED AT BEST PRACTICES AND WROTE A STRATEGIC PLAN THAT REALLY OUTLINES HOW THIS COULD BE IMPLEMENTED IN OUR CITY.

SO I WANT TO START WITH OUR VISION.

UH, OUR COMMITTEE FELT IT WAS REALLY IMPORTANT TO HAVE A STRONG POINT OF VIEW IN HOW WE IMPLEMENT THESE PROJECTS, THAT IT'S NOT JUST TECHNOLOGY FOR TECHNOLOGY SAKE.

SO OUR VISION IS ELK HONE 2.0 IS AN ONGOING COMMITMENT, UTILIZE

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SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO DO.

AND THIS IS MEANT TO BE NOT JUST CLASSIC IT OR TECH PROGRAMS, BUT REALLY LOOKING AT THIS HOLISTICALLY ACROSS THE CITY FOR DIFFERENT WAYS TO DO THINGS.

AS WE DISCUSSED BACK IN JANUARY, THE PRIORITIES THAT WERE GIVEN TO US, UH, FROM PUBLIC INPUT AND INPUT FROM COUNCIL WERE TO FOCUS FIRST ON PUBLIC SAFETY, UH, GOVERNMENT EFFICIENCY, COMMUNICATION WITH THE PUBLIC ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND ALSO ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY SOLUTIONS.

SO WHAT MAKES AN ALCOHOL 2.0 PROJECT DIFFERENT? THE KEY HERE IS THAT THESE PROJECTS WILL BE DEFINED BY VERY SPECIFIC IDENTIFIED CHALLENGES.

SO WE START WITH WHERE WE WANT TO GO, WHAT OUR INTENDED OUTCOME IS.

AND THEN WE PUT THAT OUT TO THE PUBLIC AND THEN WE SOLICIT FEEDBACK AND IT COULD BE FROM A COMMUNITY MEMBER.

IT COULD BE FROM COUNCIL.

IT COULD BE FROM STAFF IF THEY HAVE A GREAT IDEA, IT DOESN'T MATTER.

ALL THOSE IDEAS GO INTO THE POT FOR CONSIDERATION BECAUSE THE IDEA IS MAYBE SOMEBODY FROM A DIFFERENT INDUSTRY KNOWS A DIFFERENT WAY OF DOING IT.

MAYBE SOMEONE FROM A DIFFERENT PART OF THE WORLD KNOWS A DIFFERENT WAY OF DOING IT.

OR MAYBE SOMEONE JUST HAD A GREAT IDEA WHEN THEY HEARD ABOUT OUR SOLICITATION.

AND THAT'S REALLY WHERE THESE PROJECTS GET DIFFERENT IS WE TAKE THOSE IDEAS AND THEN START PUTTING IT INTO OUR MUNICIPAL PROJECT AND PROCUREMENT SYSTEM.

IT'S ABOUT THE INNOVATION AT THE BEGINNING TO GET TO WHERE WE WANT TO GO.

ANOTHER KEY ASPECT IS PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT.

WE INTEND FOR PUBLIC TO KNOW ABOUT THESE PROJECTS STARTING FROM DAY ONE OR EVEN BEFORE DAY ONE, THERE WILL BE DISCUSSION AT PUBLIC MEETINGS BECAUSE ANYTHING THAT HAS A BUDGET IMPACT WILL BE A SUBJECT FOR APPROVAL.

UH, WE'RE LAUNCHING, UH, TOMORROW A DEDICATED WEBPAGE, UH, ABOUT WHAT WE'RE DOING AND HOW SOCIAL MEDIA IS GOING TO BE KEY ASPECT OF THIS, AS WELL AS THE ALCOHOL GATEWAY MAGAZINE YOU'VE NOTICED IN THE PAST, UH, EPISODES OF, UH, OF THE GATEWAY.

WE'RE STARTING TO DO MORE OF PROJECTS AND TECHNOLOGY AND FLOATING THE GREAT IDEAS THAT OUR STAFF HAVE AND THE THINGS THAT WE'RE WORKING ON INTO THAT MAGAZINE.

AND WE INTEND FOR, UH, OUR REQUESTS FOR INNOVATION TO BE PART OF THAT AS WELL.

WE STARTED OUT WITH A PUBLIC SURVEY.

WE INTEND TO DO ONE EVERY TWO YEARS BECAUSE WE BELIEVE PRIORITIES WILL CHANGE.

AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO GET THAT FEEDBACK, NOT JUST FROM THOSE THAT SUBSCRIBE TO OUR REQUEST FOR INNOVATIONS, BUT CITY-WIDE HAVE PEOPLE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO, TO KIND WHERE THOSE PRIORITIES SHOULD BE.

THAT OF COURSE THEN WOULD ALSO BE A POINT FOR APPROVAL FROM THE COUNCIL AS YOUR REPRESENTATIVES FOR THOSE CITIZENS.

AND THEN FINALLY, WE'D LIKE TO DO AN ANNUAL PROGRESS REPORT AND LET YOU KNOW WHERE ALL THESE INITIATIVES ARE AT WHAT'S HAPPENING AND THE SORTS OF, UH, PROJECTS THAT WE'RE WORKING ON AND THE GREAT THINGS WE'RE ACCOMPLISHING.

SO AS PART OF YOUR PACKET WAS THE STRATEGIC PLAN WE ARE, UH, RECOMMENDING AND ASKING FOR YOU TO ACCEPT THAT STRATEGIC PLAN.

SHOULD THAT GO FORWARD WHERE YOU ARE GOING TO START TOMORROW WITH PROGRAM SET UP, UH, THAT WE'LL BE PUTTING THE, THE PROCEDURES IN PLACE TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN.

BECAUSE AS YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A COUNCIL INITIATIVE TO GET SOME OF THESE REQUESTS FOR INNOVATION OUT TO THE STREETS AND START DOING, UH, PILOT PROJECTS.

AS SOON AS LATER THIS YEAR.

UM, AT THIS POINT I'D LIKE TO THANK OUR SUBCOMMITTEE AND STAFF AND THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE, BECAUSE I REALLY DO BELIEVE THIS WAS A FULLY ENCOMPASSING, UH, EFFORT TO GET TO THIS POINT.

UM, ALMOST EVERY DEPARTMENT IN OUR CITY, UH, WAS REPRESENTED AND PROVIDED INPUT INTO THIS PLAN.

AND, UH, WE APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY AND THAT COMPLETES MY REPORT.

THANK YOU FOR THAT.

THANKS FOR THE, UH, ALL THE HARD WORK THAT ALL THE STAFF PUT IN.

LET ME SEE IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS YOU MUST HAVE HIT IT OUT OF THE PARK.

NOBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS FOR YOU.

WE ARE EXCITED TO BE A PART OF DISCUSSIONS AND PROJECTS ASSOCIATED WITH ALCOHOL 2.0 STRATEGIC PLAN.

THANKS VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU, ANGELA.

YOU SPEAK CARDS ON THE SIDE.

I SEE ONE COMMENT FROM DAVID HOROWITZ, GOVERNMENT ACCOUNT MANAGER AT COX BUSINESS, AND IT READS COX BUSINESS WILL BE VIRTUALLY PARTICIPATING IN TODAY'S COUNCIL MEETING.

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WE ARE THRILLED TO SEE THE PROGRESS AND LOOK FORWARD TO FUTURE DISCUSSIONS AND COLLABORATION WITH THE CITY TO MOVE THESE PRIORITIES AND FUTURE PROJECTS FORWARD COX BUSINESS IS COMMITTED TO THIS COMMITTED TO THE CITY AND THE COMMUNITY AS A PARTNER AND PROVIDED OF ADVANCED TECHNOLOGY AND SMART SOLUTIONS.

PLEASE DO NOT HESITATE TO REACH OUT AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO ONGOING COMMISSIONS COMMENT.

OH, MR. HOROWITZ.

WE WELCOME YOUR PARTICIPATION IN THE PARTNERSHIP AND WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR INVOLVEMENT.

ANY OTHERS? SORRY, SIR.

NO, NO.

UH, SEEMS LIKE IT'S, UH, READY FOR A MOTION, UH, MOVE TO ADOPT THE ALCORN 2.0 STRATEGIC PLAN, PLEASE VOTE.

MOTION CARRIES.

[16. Traffic Calming Request for South Anza Street RECOMMENDATION: That the City Council adopts the next Resolution, in order, to: Establish permanent all-way stop signs on South Anza Street at the intersection of Merritt Drive; and Install a pedestrian crossing warning beacon system at the intersection of South Anza Street at Gray Drive, to enhance pedestrian and traffic safety.]

THIS PICTURE WAS TAKEN A FEW WEEKS AGO, AND THEY HAVE A CROSSING GUARD THAT HELPS KIDS CROSS DURING THE, UH, DISMISSAL AND, UH, AND, AND, UM, MORNING TIMES.

THE SIXTH ADMINISTRATIVE REPORT ITEM 16 IS THE TRAFFIC CUBBY REQUEST FOR SOUTH ADDS A STREET STAFF.

HI, MARIO.

GOOD.

AGAIN, THIS IS MARIO SANCHEZ CITY TRAFFIC ENGINEER.

UM, I'M GOING TO SHOW THE ATTACHMENTS TO THIS REPORT TO GIVE YOU BETTER CONTEXT OF THIS ITEM.

UM, BACKGROUND OF THIS ITEM.

THIS IS A TRAFFIC COMMON REQUEST FOR ANCESTRY.

LET ME BRING UP THE MAP AND ANZA STREET BETWEEN, UH, CHASE AVENUE AND WASHINGTON AVENUE IS ABOUT A HALF MILE SEGMENT AND, UH, RECENT EVENTS.

UH, WE HAD SOME TERRIBLE FATAL COLLISION AND SOME, UH, ONGOING, ONGOING CITIZEN REQUESTS TO ACT ON, UH, UH, SPEEDING COMPLAINTS.

UH, WE DECIDED TO DO A TRAFFIC STUDY AT THIS LOCATION AT THIS STREET.

AND WHEN WE DO A TRAFFIC CALMING REQUEST, I LIKE TO LOOK AT IT AT A SYSTEMIC APPROACH INSTEAD OF JUST LOOKING AT ONE, ONE POINT ON THAT WHOLE ARTERIAL STREET.

SO LIKE I MENTIONED, A ANZA STREET IS THAT 25 MILE PER HOUR POSTED SPEED LIMIT.

THERE IS ABOUT 5,500 VEHICLES THAT TRAVEL ON ON ANZA EACH DAY.

AND IT'S, IT SERVES AS A BYPASS TO MOLLISON AVENUE, WHICH IS TO THE WEST.

SO, AND AFTER, UH, ALSO, UH, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, UH, BACK IN MARCH, UH, SET UP, UH, A ROGUE, UH, RADAR DETECTOR AND WE COLLECTED OVER 21,000 VEHICLES ON THAT STREET OVER A THREE-DAY PERIOD.

AND WE, UH, WE, WE CLOCKED ABOUT 50% OF THE PEOPLE THAT, THAT ARE TRAVELING UP AND DOWN ANSA STREET ARE GOING OVER THE SPEED LIMIT.

SO, AND THEN WITH THIS ANALYSIS, I LOOKED AT THE FIVE-YEAR ACCIDENT HISTORY, AND, UH, THERE W ON THE WHOLE CORRIDOR, THERE WAS 28 COLLISIONS AND EIGHT WERE CONTRIBUTED TO SPEEDING.

SO ABOUT 30% OF THE ACCIDENTS WITHIN A FIVE-YEAR PERIOD WERE ATTRIBUTED TO SPEEDING.

I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU, OOPS, GO BACK.

AND, UH, SO WE LOOKED AT, UH, MERIT AND ANZA AS WELL AS ANZA AND GREY STREET, WHICH IS FURTHER SOUTH.

AND RIGHT NOW ANZA STREET IS A TWO-WAY STOP.

AND, UH, WE RUN A TRAFFIC, UH, OUR, UH, ALWAYS STOP WARRANTS ANALYSIS, AND WE USE, WE HAVE OUR OWN GUIDELINES, BUT WE KIND OF MODELED IT AFTER THE, THE NATIONAL MANUAL UNIFORM TRAFFIC CONTROL DEVICES, UH, UH, STANDARDS, AS WELL AS THE CITY OF SAN DIEGO.

THEY HAVE THEIR OWN STANDARDS THAT WE FOLLOW IT IT'S IS BASED ON A POINT SYSTEM.

AND, UH, WE LOOKED AT BOTH INTERSECTIONS, LOOK AT THE ACCIDENT, HISTORY, TRAFFIC VOLUME, UH, SITE, SIGHT, VISIBILITY, UH, CONSIDERATIONS AND PROXIMITY TO THE SCHOOL.

THERE'S A, ANNE'S IN ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE STREET, UH, SOUTHERN PORTION OF THE STREET, I SAY, BUT, UH, UM, SO THIS IS, UH, AND ANZA AND MERIT LOOKING NORTHBOUND.

AND, UH, AND THIS IS ANZA AND GRAY, UH, ANDS AND GRAY AS A, AS A FUNCTIONS, AS A, A SCHOOL CROSSING FRANZ ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.

AND YOU CAN SEE THIS,

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SO WITH OUR RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, BASED ON OUR SIG ARE TO KEEP ON SAYING SIGNAL BAR ARE ALWAYS STOPPED WARRANT.

AND, UH, THESE ARE THE PROPOSED, UH, MEASURES THAT WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO PUT IN AND ALWAYS STOP WITH CONTINENTAL CROSSWALKS TO GIVE THIS INTERSECTION, UH, GREATER VISIBILITY AND TO GET PEOPLE, UH, UH, UH, UH, AS THEY'RE CROSSING MERIT, A BETTER CHANCE TO GET ACROSS AS WELL AS FOR PEDESTRIANS AND THAT GRAY STREET AND GO BACK, WE, UM, RECOMMEND TO ENHANCE THE CROSSWALKS, BUT ESTONIAN CROSSING PUT IT IN BARK.

UH, RIGHT NOW THE MARKET'S OUT THERE KIND OF A LITTLE BIT FADED.

UH, WE'LL COME CONVERT THOSE TO THE MORE, UH, THE LATTER TYPE CON WE CALL THEM CONTINENTAL, CROSSWALKS, YELLOW, AND THEN ALSO INSTALL, UH, R UH, RECTANGULAR, RAPID FLASHING BEACON BEACON SYSTEM.

THAT'S A PEDESTRIAN WARNING SYSTEM.

WE'VE BEEN USING THESE, UH, THROUGHOUT THE CITY.

THERE'S ONE ON PARK AVENUE.

AND, UH, AND WE GET ABOUT 80% COMPLIANT OF MOTORISTS WHEN SOMEBODY, WHEN A KID OR A PEDESTRIAN PUSHES THE BUTTON AND 80% OF THE PEOPLE USUALLY STOP.

SO THAT'S, UH, A GOOD, A GOOD MEASURE.

I WANT TO SHOW YOU THAT WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.

I MEAN, JUST A SCHEMATIC OF, UH, THE RECTANGULAR, RAPID FLASHING BEACON.

SO, UM, WITH THAT, THE FISCAL IMPACT, UH, THIS TYPE OF SYSTEM, IT ROUGHLY COSTS ABOUT 15,000, AND WE HAVE THE BUDGET TO DO THAT, AND, UH, STOP SIGNS AND MARKINGS ABOUT 4,000.

AND IT'S IN YOUR REPORT WITHOUT ALL OPEN UP THE QUESTIONS.

THANKS, BARBARA, APPRECIATE THAT.

UH, MICHELLE, SO ANSON GRAY ONLY HAD LIKE A 21 POINTS, AS FAR AS YOUR SYSTEM GOES.

HAVE THERE BEEN, UM, SIGNIFICANT TRAFFIC ACCIDENTS THERE THAT MAYBE JUST CAME UNDER THE RING, THE RADAR, YOU LOOK AT THE TRAFFIC ACCIDENT HISTORY OF OVER A FIVE-YEAR PERIOD.

THERE'S ONLY, THERE WERE ONLY THREE AT THAT LOCATION, AND THERE ARE NO PEDESTRIAN COLLISIONS AT THAT LOCATION.

SO PART OF MY CONCERN IS, IS THAT WE'RE AT 21% ON THAT, AND ALCOHOL IS ONLY GOING TO GROW, AND WE'RE ONLY GOING TO HAVE MORE TRAFFIC.

WHAT WOULD BE THE PROBLEM WITH BEING PROACTIVE AND HAVING AN ALWAYS STOP THERE? UM, IF WE PUT AN ALWAYS STOP, IT'S ONLY ANOTHER 400 FEET NORTH OF THE INTERSECTION, SO, UH, WE MIGHT HAVE MORE, UH, UH, MOTORISTS RUNNING THAT STOP SIGN AND BECOMES AN ISSUE.

AND PEOPLE JUST BLATANTLY DISREGARD THE STOP SIGN, JUST KIND OF RUN RIGHT THROUGH IT.

AND MS. MITCHELL I'LL COMMENT, TOO.

WE, WE WERE ACTUALLY SHOCKED DURING THE, DURING THE TRAFFIC SURVEY WITH HOW MUCH TRAFFIC IS ON ANZA.

WE, WE, WE DID NOT REALIZE IT.

IN FACT, THE STREET IS NOT DESIGNED FOR THAT LEVEL OF TRAFFIC.

WE DO THINK THAT THE FOUR-WAY STOP AT MERIT WILL PROBABLY SHIFT PEOPLE THAT ARE, I'LL SAY CHEATING OFF OF, UM, MOLLISON THAT ARE GETTING OFF OF MOLLISON.

WE THINK THAT I'LL DRIVE THEM BACK TO MOLLISON, WHICH IS A STREET DESIGNED FOR THE KIND OF LOAD THAT ANS IS CURRENTLY TAKING.

SO IT MAY BE PREMATURE TO MAKE THAT A FOUR WAY STOP.

THERE'S SOME VALUE IN DOING THIS BABY STEP AND, AND IF IT WARRANTS IT, THEN WE WILL, BUT AT THIS TIME WE WOULD NOT RECOMMEND THAT.

AND I'M ACTUALLY ONE OF THOSE CHEATERS I'LL SELF ADMIT THAT, THAT OUR CITY MANAGER IDENTIFIED WHERE I USE ANZA AND IT'S VERY EASY AND I'VE CAUGHT MYSELF GOING OVER THE SPEED LIMIT THERE.

AND YES, MOLLISON IS IN THE WHOLE LENGTH OF MOLLISON IS A SPEEDWAY, UM, FOR THE CITY BECAUSE I LIVE RIGHT OFF MOLLISON BY BRADLEY.

AND, UM, SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE HM.

INSTEAD OF HAVING TO COME BACK, I JUST, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH WOULD IT TAKE TO JUST GO OVER THAT NEXT TEMP? OR WHAT ABOUT, UM, SPEED BUMPS? JUST SLOW IT DOWN ON GRAY.

IT'S BEEN A LONG STANDING POLICY OF THE CITY, NOT TO INSTALL SPEED BUMPS.

UH, THE LAST TIME THEY WENT IN, UM, AT LEAST 12 YEARS AGO, AND THEY'RE MORE CONTROVERSIAL, UH, ONCE WE PUT THEM IN, PEOPLE JUST WANT THEM, THEY CAN COMPLAIN, THEY WANT THEM OUT.

SO THAT'S KIND OF THE BALANCING ACT WITH SPEED BUMPS.

I JUST WANT TO THANK STAFF FOR JUMPING ON THIS VERY QUICKLY.

I WAS, THIS IS IN MY DISTRICT

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UM, BUT I WAS CONTACTED BY A HANDFUL OF RESIDENTS, UM, AFTER THE DEATH OF THAT PEDESTRIAN, I THINK A COUPLE MONTHS AGO.

UM, AND I, I, I THINK THIS IS A USING PERSONALLY USING THE STREET AND KNOWING THE KIND OF TRAFFIC THAT FLOWS THROUGH THERE AND THE SPEED.

I THINK THIS IS A GOOD, GOOD START.

UM, I THINK IT'S GOING TO FIT WHAT THE RESIDENTS ARE LOOKING FOR.

CAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S JUST A STRETCH OF ROAD.

THERE'S NOT A LOT OF VISIBILITY, UM, FOR PEDESTRIANS BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF STREET PARKING.

UM, AND IT'S A GOOD FIRST STEP, I THINK.

AND IF THE CITY DOES GROW, YOU KNOW, THE, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK IT'LL COST MUCH TO PUT IN A STOP SIGN DOWN THE ROAD.

UM, AND THEN I HEARD ALSO WITH REGARD TO, UH, SPEED BUMPS THAT SUSPENSION IN MODERN CARS CAN JUST GO STRAIGHT OVER THOSE SPEED HUMPS.

SO IT MIGHT NOT EVEN SLOW DOWN TRAFFIC.

UM, BUT, UH, YEAH, I, I DRIVE ANZA FREQUENTLY.

IT'S RIGHT DOWN THE STREET FROM WHERE I LIVE.

AND, UH, I THINK THERE WERE SOME RESIDENTS LOOK LOOKING TO PUT TOGETHER A PETITION TO HAVE SOME KIND OF TRAFFIC MEASURE.

AND I THINK THIS, THIS FITS IT VERY WELL.

SO, UM, YEAH.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOU'RE WELCOME, STEVE, GARY.

UH, ANGELA HAVE ANY, UH, PUBLIC? HELLO? LISTEN.

NO COMMENTS WERE RECEIVED, SIR.

MINISTER REPORT I HAVE 17 IS THE REVIEW OF PROGRAMS ELIGIBLE FOR FUNDING OF THE AMERICAN RESCUE PLAID ACT.

UH, WELL, UH, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS OR SHOULD WE LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION? YEAH, I'D LIKE TO MOVE TO ADOPT NEXT RESOLUTION TO ESTABLISH PERMANENT, ALWAYS STOP SIGNS ON SOUTH ENZA AT THE INTERSECTION OF MERIT AND INSTALLED THE PEDESTRIAN ACROSS WARNING BEACON AT THE INTERSECTION OF SOUTH DANZAS STREET AND GRAY.

ALL RIGHT, PLEASE VOTE MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.

THANKS VERY MUCH BOROUGH, PLEASE.

THANK YOUR STAFF FOR US.

IT WAS A LOT OF WORK.

THE NEXT

[17. Review of Programs Eligible for Funding Under the American Rescue Plan Act and the Introduction of the Second Business Grant Program and Business Assistance Program RECOMMENDATION: That the City Council adopts the next Resolution, in order, authorizing the use of $5 million of American Rescue Plan Act funds to fund the second round of the Business Grant program; and authorizes staff to enact a Business Assistance program for business license fees for 2021.]

AND I'LL ASK OUR ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, VINCE DIMAGGIO TO TELL US ABOUT THIS.

THANK YOU, MAYOR MEMBERS OF COUNCIL.

I'M GOING TO START WITH AN UPDATE ON WHAT WE WENT OVER TWO WEEKS AGO, BECAUSE THINGS CHANGE RAPIDLY.

UM, THIS IS SOMETHING WE'VE NEVER SEEN BEFORE.

AS YOU KNOW, WHEN THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT DOLES OUT MONEY, THEY USUALLY ATTACH SOME KIND OF CONDITIONS TO IT.

AND IN THE CASE OF AARP, THEY DID NOT.

AND SO WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS IS THAT THE TREASURY DEPARTMENT IS COMING UP WITH VARIOUS RULINGS, UM, ADMINISTRATIVE LAWS, IF YOU WILL, ABOUT WHAT IS ELIGIBLE AND WHAT IS NOT ELIGIBLE.

SO I'M GOING TO REVERSE COURSE A LITTLE BIT ON WHAT YOU WERE TOLD TWO WEEKS AGO, AND THAT'S WHERE WE'LL START.

UNFORTUNATELY, THE STAFFING AND OUTFITTING OF OUR NARCOTICS ENFORCEMENT UNIT IS AN INELIGIBLE ITEM.

NOW WE ARE, WE RECOGNIZE, AS I SAID, IN THE STAFF REPORT, WE RECOGNIZE THAT THIS IS A COUNCIL POLICY.

WE WILL CONTINUE TO ANALYZE THIS AND WE WILL GET BACK TO YOU AT A LATER DATE ON, ON THIS, ON THIS ISSUE, SOMEWHAT SURPRISINGLY IMPROVEMENTS TO CITY FACILITIES ARE ALSO INELIGIBLE.

NOW THIS INCLUDES EVEN SOLAR IMPROVEMENTS TO THINGS LIKE REC CENTERS, FIRE STATIONS, UM, THE PUBLIC SAFETY BUILDINGS, CITY HALL, UM, ANY NUMBER OF IMPROVEMENTS TO THOSE FACILITIES IS CONSIDERED INELIGIBLE.

UM, AGAIN, SOMEWHAT SURPRISING CONSIDERING A PORTION OF, OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY IS VERY MUCH INTO THE GREEN NEW DEAL.

UM, CUTTING GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS, YOU KNOW, THIS MAY CHANGE, UM, AGAIN, EVERY COUPLE OF DAYS, THERE'S SOME NEW GUIDANCE COMING OUT ON THIS, SO THIS MAY CHANGE, BUT FOR NOW WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T RECOMMEND GOING THERE WITH CITY FACILITIES AS FAR AS OTHER POST COVID ACTIVITIES THAT WE TALKED ABOUT.

THAT'S IN YELLOW.

IT'S KIND OF A, MAYBE IT'S CASE BY CASE.

UM, WE'RE STILL WAITING FOR GUIDANCE ON THAT SPECIFICALLY WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT, FOR EXAMPLE, I BELIEVE THE, THE EXAMPLE I GAVE WAS, UH, SUBSIDIZING LIVE NATION CONCERTS FOR, FOR INSTANCE, TO BRING, UM, BIGGER NAME PERFORMERS HERE, FOR INSTANCE, JUST AS A CASE IN POINT.

UM, SO WE STILL DON'T HAVE A GOOD SENSE ABOUT WHAT, UH, POST COVID ACTIVITIES CAN BE FUNDED WITH THIS.

SO NOW WE'RE, I'M GOING TO TURN, UNLESS YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT, I'M GOING TO GO RIGHT INTO THE BUSINESS GRANTS.

ONE QUESTION.

UH, IS THERE SOME KIND OF FEDERAL ARBITRATOR THAT YOU COULD RUN THINGS PYRE? I MEAN, HOW ARE YOU GETTING YOUR DIRECTION? WE'RE WE'RE RECEIVING, WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE TREASURY DEPARTMENT IS THE ONE THAT'S, THAT'S ISSUING THE GUIDANCE.

MA'AM

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AND SO W THAT'S WHERE WE'RE RECEIVING IT FROM THE TREASURY TEAM APARTMENT, BUT YOU, YOU'RE NOT ASKING THAT QUESTIONS.

YOU'RE JUST GETTING A BLANKET GUIDANCE AND YOU'RE KIND OF, YEAH, THEY ARE, THEY ARE GETTING A LOT OF QUESTIONS, ASKED TO THEM.

AND SO THEY ARE PUTTING PRETTY MUCH EVERYONE OFF UNTIL THEY ISSUE THE GUIDANCE THAT THEIR, THEIR RESPONSES WE'LL GET BACK TO YOU IN A COUPLE OF DAYS, WE'LL BACK TO YOU IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS, BECAUSE AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, BEING THAT IT'S NEW, EVERY CITY HAS QUESTIONS, EVERY CITY HAS PROJECTS, AND THEY'RE HAVING TO COME OUT AND TRYING TO PREEMPT THOSE CITY QUESTIONS.

SO IT'S HAPPENING FREQUENTLY.

YEP.

SO YOU'LL RECALL.

UM, ABOUT A YEAR AGO, WE DID THE FIRST ROUND OF BUSINESS GRANT USING THE CARES ACT MONEY AND THE DIFFERENT BUSINESSES WERE CATEGORIZED IN DIFFERENT WAYS.

THERE WERE ESSENTIAL BUSINESSES WHICH WERE ALLOWED TO STAY OPEN, UH, WITH REDUCED CAPACITY AND HOURS OF OPERATION.

THERE WERE NON-ESSENTIAL BUSINESSES WHICH WERE BY ORDER TO BE CLOSED.

THEY WERE NOT ALLOWED TO OPEN.

AND THEN THERE WERE RESTAURANTS.

AND, UM, WHAT WE DID WAS WE ISSUED DIRECT GRANTS WITH VERY LITTLE QUALIFYING, UH, YOU KNOW, IN VERY QUALIFYING CONDITIONS, ESSENTIAL BUSINESSES, BECAUSE THEY WERE ALLOWED TO STAY OPEN, WERE ISSUED A SMALLER AMOUNT, 15,000 NON-ESSENTIAL 30 RESTAURANTS, 10 OF THE $2.5 MILLION OF CARES ACT THAT WAS ALLOCATED 134 BUSINESSES WERE ASSISTED.

NOW THIS WAS A VERY POPULAR PROGRAM.

WE HAD, UM, A LOT OF PEOPLE THANK US FOR IT.

A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE BEEN CALLING THE OFFICE AND ASKING, IS THERE GOING TO BE A SECOND ROUND? UM, AND SO IT, IT, IT PROVED TO BE VERY POPULAR.

AND THE POINT OF IT WAS BECAUSE THE PANDEMIC CAME IN SO QUICKLY AND BECAUSE OF THE STAY AT HOME ORDER, AND THE SHUTDOWN ORDER CAME SO RAPIDLY WITH VERY LITTLE WARNING.

UM, THIS WAS MEANT TO KEEP THE LIGHTS ON, AND WE ARE AWARE OF ONLY THREE BUSINESSES OUT OF THE ONES THAT RECEIVED ASSISTANCE.

ONLY THREE BUSINESSES ARE NO LONGER IN OPERATION.

SO IT, IT WAS, I LIKE TO THINK IT WAS SUCCESSFUL IN SOME WAY, SHAPE OR FORM IN EITHER KEEPING THEIR SUPPLY CHAIN GOING OR PAYING RENT OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES.

SO IT, AGAIN, PROVED TO BE VERY POPULAR.

AND I THINK IT'S FAIR TO SAY, UH, SOMEWHAT EFFECTIVE.

YOU TURN THAT BACK ON FOR ME.

THERE YOU GO.

PEOPLE WITH EMPLOYMENT AT THAT BUSINESS.

THE SECOND ROUND WE'RE PROPOSING IS, AS I MENTIONED, A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, UH, USING $5 MILLION IN ART FUNDS, AGAIN, A PORTION OF IT WOULD BE A DIRECT GRANT.

SO WITH CERTAIN CONDITIONS THAT YOU QUALIFY FOR, WE WOULD ISSUE A DIRECT GRANT FOR $15,000.

AGAIN, THAT WOULD BE THE EQUIVALENT OF WHAT WE ISSUED TO ESSENTIAL BUSINESSES.

PLUS NOW WE'RE ADDING A SECOND ELEMENT, $5,000 FOR EVERY EMPLOYEE YOU HIRE IN THE 90 DAYS AFTER YOU GET THE INITIAL GRANT UP TO THREE.

SO YOU HAVE A CHANCE OF GETTING ANOTHER $15,000.

SO THE MAXIMUM GRANT POSSIBLE IS $30,000.

SO WHERE YOU SEE THE FIRST ROUND WAS JUST FOCUSED ON KEEPING THE LIGHTS ON FOR BUSINESSES.

THE SECOND ROUND IS FOCUSED ON, UM, MORE, MORE DIRECT ASSISTANCE TO THE BUSINESS, FOR SURE, BUT THEN EMPLOYMENT.

AND AS I SAID IN THE STAFF REPORT, WHEN YOU LOOK AT ELCA HOMES SPECIFICALLY FOR UNEMPLOYMENT, WE HAVE HOVERED PRE UH, PRE PANDEMIC.

WE HOVERED AROUND 3.6%.

SO WE KIND OF MIRRORED THE NAT, THE NATIONAL AVERAGE RIGHT THERE AT 3.6% POST PANDEMIC, WHERE WE HAVE BEEN SINCE NOVEMBER OR DURING THE PANDEMIC.

AND AS WE'RE COMING OUT OF THE PANDEMIC SINCE NOVEMBER OF 2020, WE HAVE STAYED AT THIS STUBBORNLY HIGH RATE OF 9.6%.

UM, SOME OF THAT I BELIEVE IS BECAUSE OF STIMULUS PAYMENTS GOING OUT AND PEOPLE MAYBE NOT BEING IN THE JOB MARKET.

UM, SOME PEOPLE ARE RECEIVING UNEMPLOYMENT BENEFITS PLUS STIMULUS, MAYBE NOT IN THE JOB.

UM, BUT NEVERTHELESS, UM, WE STILL WILL REMAIN AT 9.6% AND THERE SEEM TO BE AN EFFORT.

THERE, THERE SEEM TO BE AN INTEREST IN LOOKING TOWARDS SOMETHING THAT COULD ALLEVIATE THE HIGH UNEMPLOYMENT SPECIFICALLY IN ALCOHOL.

SO IF EVERY BUSINESS UNDER THIS PROPOSAL, IF EVERY BUSINESS TOOK MAXIMUM ADVANTAGE, WE WOULD ASSIST 167 BUSINESSES AND EMPLOY 500 PEOPLE THAT IS, IF EVERY BUSINESS SAID I'LL TAKE THE 15.

AND THEN OVER THE NEXT 90 DAYS, LOOK TO PROVIDE THREE

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SO HERE'S SOME PROPOSED CONDITIONS.

SOME OF THEM ARE VERY MUCH THE SAME AS WE SAW THE FIRST ROUND.

YOU, YOU, IN THE FIRST CONDITION WOULD BE, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A BUSINESS LICENSE AS OF THE START OF THIS MONTH, UM, A YEAR AGO, YOUR CALL, WHEN WE DID THE CARES ACT, WE DID THAT IN MAY AND JUNE, AS I REMEMBER.

AND WE SAID THAT YOU HAD TO HAVE A BUSINESS LICENSE AS OF MARCH OF 2020.

SO BACK SEVERAL MONTHS IN THIS, IN THIS INSTANCE, WE'RE KIND OF MOVING IT UP OR AT LEAST WE'RE PROPOSING TO MOVE IT UP TO AT LEAST THE START OF THIS MONTH TO, TO OPEN IT UP AND GIVE MORE PEOPLE A CHANCE, QUITE FRANKLY, UM, WE'RE PROPOSING NO HOME BUSINESSES BECAUSE THE IDEA IS STOREFRONTS, COMMERCIAL STOREFRONTS, COMMERCIAL TENANT SPACES.

UM, WE HAD SOME HOME BUSINESSES LAST TIME.

AND OF COURSE THEY'RE REALLY, IF YOU HAVE A HOME BUSINESS, YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE, UM, EITHER CUSTOMERS OR EMPLOYEES COMING THERE.

SO IT KIND OF DEFEATS THE PURPOSE OF THE EMPLOYMENT ASPECT OF IT.

YOU CAN'T HAVE ANY BUILDING CODE OR ZONING VIOLATIONS.

THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT CARRIED OVER FROM THE FIRST ROUND, UM, IN ORDER TO THE FOURTH POINT IS, AND THIS IS IMPORTANT FOR ENSURING THAT SOMEONE HAS ACTUALLY BEEN HIRED.

THE BUSINESS IS TO PROVIDE A COPY OF THE EDD FORM D E 34.

THAT'S A FORM THAT WHEN YOU HIRE AN EMPLOYEE, YOU SEND TO THE STATE, THE STATE THEN SENDS YOU, UM, A CONFIRMATION THAT THEY RECEIVED IT.

SO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS NOT ONLY DOES THE BUSINESS HAVE TO SEND US A COPY OF THE , BUT THEY HAVE TO SEND US A COPY OF THE STATE'S CONFIRMATION THAT THE STATE GOT IT.

SO THAT THERE'S TWO, TWO PARTIES INVOLVED HERE, THE STATE AND THE BUSINESS.

AND THEN LASTLY, AND SOMEWHAT FOR COUNCIL DISCUSSION, I WOULD PRESUME IS WE'RE PROPOSING TO EXCLUDE RESTAURANTS.

AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT REASONS.

UM, THE RESTAURANT REVITALIZATION PROGRAM IS A PART OF AARP.

IT'S A, IT'S A $350 BILLION PROGRAM.

THAT'S PART OF AARP.

AND IT, IT ALLOWS FOR GRANTS OF ANYWHERE BETWEEN 1000 AND 5 MILLION.

IT'S A COMPETITIVE GRANT.

SO YOU HAVE TO MEET CERTAIN STANDARDS THAT THEY SET FOR IT.

IT'S BEING ADMINISTERED THROUGH THE SBA.

YOU CAN APPLY DIRECTLY THROUGH THE SBA PORTAL, BUT THE REASON WHY WE'RE SUGGESTING AT LEAST AT THIS STAGE, THAT THEY BE EXCLUDED IS THE POSSIBILITY THAT RESTAURANTS COULD DOUBLE DIP, THAT THEY RECEIVE THE GRANT FROM THE RESTAURANT REVITALIZATION PROGRAM, WHICH IS SPECIFIC TO RESTAURANTS.

AND THEN THEY RECEIVE AT LEAST THE DIRECT GRANT FROM US THAT MAY NOT BE A BAD THING.

IT'S REALLY A POLICY QUESTION FOR THE COUNCIL THAT WE'LL ASK YOU TO DISCUSS, UM, RESTAURANTS.

WE DID A LITTLE ANALYSIS, UM, WITH REGARD TO SOME DATA THAT WE HAVE RESTAURANTS WERE DOWN 8.6% IN THE PANDEMIC DUE TO THE CLOSURE.

NOW THAT DOES NOT COMPARE TO THE CONSTRUCTION INDUSTRY, FOR INSTANCE, WHICH WAS DOWN 56%, THE ENTERTAINMENT INDUSTRY WAS DOWN 76%.

UM, BUT IT ACTUALLY DOES COMPARE SOMEWHAT WITH RETAIL SALES NON-AUTOMOTIVE, WHICH WAS DOWN 5% AND THEN AUTOMOTIVE SALES AND FUEL, WHICH WAS DOWN 9%.

SO RESTAURANTS DO FIT IN WITH THE CATEGORY, BUT THEN YOU LOOK AT SOME OF THE OTHER CATEGORIES LIKE CONSTRUCTION AND ENTERTAINMENT, WHICH WAS HEAVILY IMPACTED.

AND THEN THEY, THEY KIND OF DON'T FIT IN WITH THAT.

SO AT THIS POINT, I'M GOING TO STOP AT THIS POINT BECAUSE THIS IS THE LAST SLIDE I HAVE FOR THE BUSINESS GRANT PART OF IT, BEFORE WE GO INTO THE BUSINESS ASSISTANCE, PART OF IT, UM, WHICH IS DIFFERENT.

SO I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE GRANT AND HAVE COUNSEL DISCUSS HOW THEY WANT TO APPROACH THIS.

YEAH, GREAT.

UH, COUNSEL, YOU GOING TO START? OKAY.

UH, VERY GOOD CREATIVE OUT OF THE BOX, THINKING HERE TO HELP OUR BUSINESSES.

I'M GOING TO EXPRESS A COUPLE OF CONCERNS, UM, ON THE DEA, UH, THE WHAT'S TO KEEP SOMEBODY FROM PUTTING A NAME DOWN AND THEN THEY NEVER ACTUALLY PAY THAT PERSON ANY MONEY.

BUT WITH THE EMPLOYEE BASED THING, THERE'S A COUPLE OF CONCERNS.

WE'VE BEEN THAT'S THANK YOU FOR ASKING.

THAT'S A GOOD POINT.

AND WE HAVE DISCUSSED THAT.

WE FEEL IF THEY GIVE US THE AND THEN WE RECEIVE A COPY OF THE CONFIRMATION FROM THE STATE, WE NOW HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO CALL THE PERSON TO ACTUALLY FOLLOW UP, USE OUR STAFF, CALL THE PERSON AND SAY, HEY, ARE YOU WORKING AT, YOU KNOW, SUCH AND SUCH? SO WE DO PLAN TO DO THAT AND TO VERIFY THAT EMPLOYMENT HAS BEEN DONE, UH, IF WE GO THAT WAY, I WOULD SUGGEST INSTEAD A D E NINE, WHICH IS A QUARTERLY REPORT OF WAGES THAT PROVES THAT YOU PAID SOMEBODY THROUGH THAT FILING.

IT'S A RETROACTIVE LOOK, IF, IF THE COUNCIL GOES OUT WAY,

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I HAVE NUMBER ONE, I KNOW A RESTAURANT OWNER.

SHE JUST CAN'T FIND EMPLOYEES RIGHT NOW.

UH, THERE ARE THE UNEMPLOYMENT RATE.

ONE OF THE THEORIES IS THE REASON WHY IT'S STILL HIGH IS SOME PEOPLE ARE OUT OF THE JOB MARKET.

THEY'RE STAYING HOME WITH THEIR KIDS WHO ARE STILL NOT FULLY IN SCHOOL, AND THEY'RE NOT READY TO GO BACK TO WORK.

AND THAT COULD BE PEOPLE THAT ARE, WE'RE TRYING TO TARGET HERE.

UH, THE OTHER IS SOME OF THESE BUSINESSES WHEN THEY OPENED UP BACK IN MARCH, THEY MAY HAVE ALREADY HIRED THEIR EMPLOYEES.

SO THEY WOULDN'T BENEFIT FROM THIS.

UH, THERE COULD BE OTHER BUSINESSES THEY'RE NOT READY TO HIRE PEOPLE AND THEY WON'T BENEFIT FROM THIS.

UM, SO THOSE ARE SOME CONCERNS WITH THE EMPLOYEE BASED.

I'D LIKE, AS FAR AS THE RESTAURANTS BEING NOT 8.6%, I DO THINK I'VE READ THAT FAST FOOD RESTAURANTS HAVE REALLY DONE WELL WITH THE DRIVE-THRU AND THE DINE-IN HAVE DONE REALLY BAD BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN CLOSED VERY GOOD.

THEY PROBABLY AVERAGE OUT 8.6%, WHICH IS NOT DISMAL.

SO WE'VE PROBABLY GOTTEN MORE, YOU GET THAT POINT THERE, RIGHT? UM, I'M GOING TO PROPOSE A DIFFERENT PROGRAM FOR MY COLLEAGUES TO CONSIDER, AND THAT'S WHAT I CALL A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM OR CIP.

AND HERE'S WHAT I'M THINKING.

THE SMALL BUSINESS OWNER, UH, ONE OF THE HARDEST THINGS TO DO IS TO BUDGET FOR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS, TO BUY NEW EQUIPMENT, TO REPAINT THE STORE, TO GET NEW COMPUTERS, TO CLEAN THE FLOOR, TO PAINT THE OUTSIDE, PAINT THE INSIDE.

AND IT'S HAVING BEEN THERE BEFORE.

IT'S ONE OF THE HARDEST THINGS TO DO BECAUSE YOU, YOU TEND TO TAKE ANY EXTRA MONEY FOR YOURSELF RATHER THAN REINVEST IN YOUR BUSINESS.

I THINK IF WE DO A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM, IT WILL UPGRADE THE LOOK OF ALCOHOL RETAIL STORE AND BACK TO COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES, NO HOME-BASED BUSINESSES, BUT PLACES WHERE THAT ARE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, UH, IT WOULD, UH, RAISE THE LEVEL OF THE LOOK OF ALCOHOL.

AND IF PEOPLE REDID THEIR FLOOR PAINTED THE INSIDE OF THEIR BUSINESSES, UH, GOT NEW COMPUTERS, THINGS, THESE THINGS ADD LONG-TERM VALUE TO THE BUSINESS OWNER.

SO THAT SOMEDAY WHEN THEY GO TO SELL THEIR BUSINESS, THEY HAVE A HIGHER VALUE TO SELL THEIR BUSINESS.

IT BENEFITS THEM, BUT BENEFITS THE LANDLORD IN CASE YOU REDID THE FLOORING OR THE WALLS OR THINGS.

AND I THINK IT'S GOT SOME LONGER VALUE THAN THE EMPLOYEE SIDE OF THINGS.

UH, THE RESTAURANT REVITALIZATION, I AGREE WITH YOU.

THEY COULD BE AT THE END OF THE LINE OF THIS CIP PROGRAM BECAUSE THEY MAY GET SOME MORE MONEY HERE.

ALSO, THE STATE IN THE PAST DAY, SIGNED LEGISLATURE, PASSED LEGISLATION TO THE GOVERNOR THAT THE LOANS THEY GOT LAST YEAR, THE PPP LOANS WILL NOW BE DEDUCTIBLE ON YOUR STATE FORMS. THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS ALREADY SAID, YOU DON'T HAVE TO PAY TAXES ON THIS, BUT NOW THE STATE HAS SAID, WE'RE GOING TO ABSORB OR FORGO $6 BILLION IN STATE TAXES.

SO THAT'S A BENEFIT FOR, FOR THEM.

UH, I WOULD ADD SOME CONDITIONS.

UH, YOU GOTTA BE IN BUSINESS SINCE JANUARY 1ST OF 2020, SO THAT NEW BUSINESSES DON'T GET CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT FUNDS.

YOU PROBABLY DON'T NEED THEM.

I WOULD PROBABLY ADD THAT YOU'RE NOT DELINQUENT IN YOUR RENT.

WE DON'T WANT MONEY GOING TO THEM AND THEN NOT PAYING LANDLORDS A COUPLE OF EXTRA THINGS.

SO I I'D KINDA LIKE TO DISCUSS THE CIP PROGRAM.

WELL, MR. GOBLE, LET ME JUST COMMENT ON THAT.

AS YOU MAY RECALL, A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, WHEN I LAID OUT A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT THINGS, THERE WAS THE BUSINESS GRANT, AND THEN THERE WAS A SERIES OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVES THAT, THAT WE HAD SAID THAT WE WOULD COME BACK TO COUNCIL WITH.

ONE WAS FOR LARGER BUSINESSES WHERE WE WANTED TO RETAIN A CONSULTANT.

AND THEN MOST OF THE ONES WAS FOR THE SMALLER BUSINESSES, WHICH WOULD DO EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, WHICH WOULD BE THE FACADE GRANTS.

IT WOULD BE THE GRANTS FOR EQUIPMENT.

THAT WOULD BE THINGS LIKE THAT.

THAT JUST IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE PLANNING TO COME BACK TO YOU ON.

IT'S JUST PART OF A DIFFERENT PROGRAM, I GUESS.

I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT SOONER THAN LATER.

LOTS FOR MY COLLEAGUES.

IN SOME DEGREE TO REMOVE THAT NINE POINT TO LOWER THAT 9.6 UNEMPLOYMENT RATE.

A QUICK QUESTION TO GO OFF OF STEVE'S IDEA.

WOULD THIS REPLACE YOUR IDEA FOR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS REPLACE THE BUSINESS GRANT PROGRAM, OR WOULD IT BE IN ADDITION TO, IT COULD BE A COMBINATION YOU COULD SAY, WE'LL GIVE EVERYBODY X AMOUNT OF DOLLARS.

NOW, JUST AS A, HERE YOU GO.

HERE'S SOME MORE FREE MONEY.

UH, BUT INSTEAD OF OF THE, UH, EMPLOYEE PORTION OF THIS, THAT COULD BE THE CIP PORTION OF THAT.

'CAUSE I, MY, MY, MY, I DO THINK THAT THERE'S VALUE IN THE, UH, THE HIGHER EACH EMPLOYEE.

I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA

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I THINK THAT, I THINK THAT EMPLOYERS WILL, WILL SEEK TO HIRE PEOPLE BECAUSE OF THAT INCENTIVE.

UM, SO I, I, I, I DON'T KNOW WHY I JUST, I LIKED THE IDEA OF THAT.

I'VE ALREADY TALKED TO A COUPLE OF BUSINESS OWNERS AND, UH, ABOUT THIS SINCE RECEIVING THE STAFF REPORT ON, ON THURSDAY AND THEIR RESPONSE WAS GREAT.

THEY SAID, YEAH, I'M LOOKING TO HIRE SOMEONE ANYWAY, I'M LOOKING TO HIRE THIS PERSON, A LANDSCAPING COMPANY, A CLEANING AND RESTORATION COMPANY.

UM, SO, UM, I DON'T LIKE THE IDEA OF GETTING RID OF THAT COMPLETELY.

UM, I GUESS I'D SAY IF YOU'RE LOOKING TO HIRE THAT PERSON ANYWAY, THEN THIS REALLY ISN'T AN INCENTIVE TO PUSH IT FORWARD.

IT DOES COVER ABOUT THREE MONTHS OF WAGES AS STAFF THAT SO YOU HAVE TO COMMIT TO PAY FOR, BUT FOR FOREVER, UH, THAT WOULD BE A DIFFERENT WAY OF LOOKING AT IT.

IF I, IF I COULD JUMP IN, YOU KNOW, THE REALITY IS THERE'S PROBABLY SOME BUSINESSES THAT DON'T NEED TO HIRE PEOPLE TO BE SUCCESSFUL, OR THEY ALREADY HAVE HIRED.

AND THERE ARE PROBABLY SOME BUSINESSES THAT COULD NEVER BUY ENOUGH EQUIPMENT.

CAUSE THAT'S NOT WHAT THEY'RE KIND OF BUSINESSES.

YOU'RE TALKING THOUSANDS.

SO WE'RE TRYING TO PRESUPPOSE WHAT EVERY BUSINESS IS.

HAVING A HYBRID MODEL COULD BENEFIT BOTH OF THOSE BUSINESSES.

SO MAYBE, I MEAN, WE NEED MORE FEEDBACK, I THINK, BUT MAYBE ONE OF THE FEEDBACK IS THAT WE'LL COME BACK WITH SORT OF A COMBO PROGRAM, UM, THAT WOULD ALLOW A BUSINESS TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF ONE OR THE OTHER, OR BOTH, OR A COMBINATION OF I'M GOOD WITH THAT BECAUSE THE EMPLOYEE-BASED PROGRAM DOESN'T BENEFIT BUSINESSES WHO CAN'T TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT AND THE CIP PROGRAM ISN'T FOR EVERY BUSINESS THAT DOESN'T NEED IT, BUT NEEDS EMPLOYEES.

SO MAYBE THERE IS A LITTLE BIT ABOUT BEST OF BOTH WORLDS.

SO, YEAH.

SO I AGREE WITH MY COLLEAGUE, MR. GOBLE, UM, I THINK HAVING A COMBINATION JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY, DO WE KNOW HOW MANY BRICK AND MORTAR BUSINESSES WE HAVE IN OKLAHOMA? THAT'S FUNNY.

I, I, I JUST SENT A, UH, MR. SHOOT, A TEXT DURING THE SIGN DISCUSSION.

MR. SHOOT.

DO YOU KNOW, DID YOU FIGURE IT OUT OR NO, YOU'RE W WE DON'T OFF THE TOP OF HER HEAD.

WE'RE ONLY TALKING HUNDREDS.

I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW, PROBABLY, I MEAN, WE'RE GUESSING, YEAH.

UNDER A THOUSAND MORE, NO MORE THAN 500.

IT'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF BUSINESSES THAT ARE, UM, THEY'RE LIKE MOM AND POP, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT YOUR OWNER OR SMALL JEWELRY STORE.

UM, I'M TRYING TO THINK OF SOMETHING THAT PROBABLY WOULD NOT HAVE STAYED OPEN DURING THE PANDEMIC.

UM, SO LIKE A JEWELRY STORE, A SMALL JEWELRY STORE, AND THEY'VE GOT THE OWNER AND MAYBE ONE EMPLOYEE.

SO THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PORTION WOULD, MIGHT BE VERY, UM, ATTRACTIVE TO THEM.

HOW WOULD WE GET THIS INFORMATION OUT TO BUSINESSES SO THAT THEY KNOW THAT THEY CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THIS? I MEAN, UH, I'M THINKING OF BUSINESSES THAT ARE, UM, HOW DO I SAY THIS? MORE ETHNIC BASED THAT MAY NOT UTILIZE SOCIAL MEDIA MAY NOT, YOU KNOW, HOW ARE WE GOING TO GET THIS INFORMATION OUT TO THEM? WE WERE, WE WERE VERY SUCCESSFUL IN THE FIRST ROUND OF THE BUSINESS GRANT, GETTING THE INFORMATION OUT TO THEM.

IN FACT, I WOULD SAY THAT MOST OF THE, OF THE BUSINESSES ASSISTED IN THE FIRST ROUND, I WOULD SAY AT LEAST HALF WERE MINORITY OWNED.

UM, AND IN, IN OUR CASE, UM, I'M SPEAKING OF MIDDLE EASTERN, UM, THERE WERE A LOT OF MIDDLE EASTERN OWNED BUSINESSES THAT RECEIVED HELP THE FIRST TIME AROUND.

SO IN TERMS OF GETTING THE INFORMATION OUT, IT WOULD BE A COMBINATION OF SOCIAL MEDIA, THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, UM, OUR PARTNERS IN, THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY.

WE ALSO HAD A COMMITTEE AT THAT TIME, UH, FOR THAT PARTICULAR, UH, TRAUNCH OF GRANT FUNDING THAT WAS VERY DIVERSE AND, AND ALSO ASSISTED IN GETTING THE WORD OUT.

SO I, I THINK THERE'S SOME EXPECTATION THAT THERE IS SOMETHING ON THE HORIZON, AND I THINK THE BUSINESSES ARE KIND OF EXPECTING IT A LITTLE BIT.

THAT'S WHY WE'VE BEEN FIELDING QUITE A BIT OF PHONE CALLS.

HERE I'M OKAY WITH IT.

I LIKE THE HYBRID ASPECT THAT STEVEN TALKING ABOUT.

I LIKE THE HYBRID THING TOO.

I WANT TO TALK ABOUT A COUPLE OF THINGS.

UH, WHAT IS, UH, WE SHOULD NOT EXCLUDE

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THE PROFITS.

UH, THERE, THERE MAY BE A COUNSELING CENTER OR A CLINIC THAT, UH, SUFFERED THROUGH THE, THE COVID PANDEMIC.

THERE MAY BE, UM, OH, I TALKED TO SOMEBODY WHO RUNS THE ALANO CLUB AND THEY, THEY SAID THAT THEY'RE REALLY, REALLY HURTING AND I THAT'S A VALUABLE COMMUNITY THING.

SO I THINK WE SHOULD CONSIDER NON PROFITS.

I DON'T LIKE THE IDEA OF EXCLUDING RESTAURANTS, BUT I DO LIKE THE IDEA OF STEVE'S IDEA, OR I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS YOUR IDEA, BUT WHAT STEVE BROUGHT UP, THE CONCEPT THAT FAST FOOD RESTAURANTS DID REALLY WELL.

AND, YOU KNOW, UH, REGULAR DINING RESTAURANTS DID VERY POORLY.

UH, I CAN SEE, UH, NOT EXCLUDING DINING RESTAURANTS, BUT EXCLUDING FAST FOOD RESTAURANTS.

UH, WE PROBABLY NEED SOME GUIDANCE ON WHAT YOU CONSIDER FAST FOOD RESTAURANT.

THAT CAN BE TRICKY.

THAT BRINGS ME TO ANOTHER POINT.

UH, OBVIOUSLY THE, THE SPIRIT OF THIS IS TO TAKE CARE OF PEOPLE THAT SUFFERED THROUGH THE PANDEMIC.

AM I RIGHT WITH THAT? ABSOLUTELY.

SO IS THERE A WAY WE COULD TIE PEOPLE'S REQUESTS FOR MONEY TO PROFIT LOSS STATEMENTS OR TAXES OR SOMETHING THAT SHOWED THAT THEY, THAT THEY SUFFERED THAT THEY DID? THEY DIDN'T GO, THEY DIDN'T MAKE THE SAME OR MORE DURING THE PANDEMIC.

CAUSE I FRANKLY, MY BUSINESS DID BETTER DURING THE PANDEMIC BECAUSE WE GOT INVOLVED IN TELEMEDICINE, BUT OTHER BUSINESSES DID MORE POORLY.

WE, WE, WE THOUGHT A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT.

AND, AND THE, THE DIFFICULTY THAT WE RAN INTO IN CONSIDERING THAT IS HOW EASY IT IS TO ACTUALLY FAKE A PROFIT LOSS STATEMENT.

AND SO IF YOU REALLY NEED THE MONEY, YOU CAN MAKE A PROFIT AND LOSS STATEMENT THAT, THAT SHOWS THAT YOU ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, SUFFERED A DRAMATIC LOSS BECAUSE OF A PROFIT AND LOSS STATEMENT IS IT'S PROPRIETARY.

IT'S ONLY FOR YOURSELF.

YOU'RE NOT REPORTING IT TO ANYONE.

IN FACT, IN THE FIRST ROUND, I WILL TELL YOU THAT WE HAD SEVERAL APPLICANTS VOLUNTEER AND THEY DID SUBMIT THEIR FULL TAX RETURNS.

AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I'M NOT SO SURE I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THE COUNCIL WANT US TO DO, BUT THIS WAS PEOPLE WHO, WHO SUBMITTED A, AN APPLICATION WITH THAT, JUST TO SHOW THAT THEY HAD SUFFERED SOME SERIOUS ECONOMIC LOSS.

SO I WANT TO THROW THE IDEA TO YOU AND FOR THE COUNCIL WONDERFULLY LOOK BACK TO THE CONCEPT OF HAVING A PANEL THAT REVIEWED APPLICATIONS AND KIND OF LIKE APPLYING FOR A COLLEGE.

YOU SUBMIT YOUR GRADES, YOU SUBMIT YOUR TEST SCORES, BUT YOU ALSO SUBMIT A LETTER OF RECOMMENDATION.

YOU, YOU SUBMIT, UH, AN ESSAY, YOU SUBMIT ALL YOUR EXTRACURRICULARS.

WHAT IF BUSINESSES MADE THEIR CASE AS TO WHY THEY SUFFERED DURING THE PANDEMIC, IF THEY WANT TO INCLUDE THEIR TAX RETURNS, THAT THEY CAN DO THAT.

WE DIDN'T REQUIRE IT, BUT IT WOULD MAKE THEIR CASE STRONGER.

ANYTHING THEY COULD PROVIDE TO MAKE THEIR CASE STRONGER.

IF SOMEBODY PROVIDES A FAKE PNL, I GUESS IT'S POSSIBLE WE CAN GET FOOLED, BUT YOU PROBABLY WOULDN'T IT.

IF YOU HAVE, IF YOU HAVE SHARP PEOPLE ON THIS PANEL, THEY'D PROBABLY SEE THROUGH THAT, THAT WAY.

WE'RE NOT OBLIGATED TO GIVE ANYBODY ANYTHING SPECIFIC, BUT YOU GIVE LATITUDE TO THE COMMITTEE TO MAKE DECISIONS BASED UPON THE DEED MAYOR.

I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE NOT SUGGEST TAX RETURNS BE SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD WANT TO PRODUCE TO US BECAUSE THOSE HOLD VERY STRONG CONFIDENTIALITY LAWS, BOTH THE UNITED STATES, TAX, FEDERAL TAX RETURNS AND STATE TAX RETURNS.

AND THE MINUTE THEY START RELEASING THOSE TO US, THEY BECOME RELEASABLE TO ALMOST ANYBODY, INCLUDING PERHAPS UNDER THE PUBLIC RECORDS ACT.

ALTHOUGH WE WOULD TRY TO KEEP IT CONFIDENTIAL, BUT TO DO EVEN SUGGEST THAT THEY SHOULD PROVIDE THAT OR COULD PROVIDE THAT TO US, COULD CREATE A SITUATION, ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE RATING ONE AGAINST THE OTHER, WHETHER YOU'RE GOING TO DISPENSE FUNDS BECAUSE SOMEBODY IS WILLING TO, TO, UH, BREACH THE CONFIDENTIALITY AND GIVE US A RETURN.

LET'S THAT'S GOOD ADVICE.

IS THERE, IS THERE ANOTHER VEHICLE TO SHOW THAT A BUSINESS HAS SUFFERED? YOU KNOW, I, I HAVE AN IDEA.

CHAIN LOCATIONS ARE INELIGIBLE BECAUSE THEY HAD ACCESS TO CAPITAL THAT THE MOM AND POP DID NOT AGREED.

BACK WITH THE PPP LOAN, IT WAS CRAZY MONEY.

I CALL IT BECAUSE ALL YOU HAD TO DO IS SIGN AN AFFIDAVIT SAYING MY SALES ARE DOWN 25% DURING ANY THREE MONTHS.

AND THERE WAS NO PROOF.

IT WAS CRAZY MONEY, BUT WHAT THE WAY TO LIMIT SOME OF THESE THINGS IS TO SAY A CHAIN

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AND YOU CAN, YOU CAN HAVE THOSE KINDS OF BUSINESS, UH, QUALIFIER.

UH, YOU HAD TO HAVE BUSINESS, AT LEAST SINCE BEFORE THE PANDEMIC, LIKE JANUARY 1ST, NOT FOR NEW BUSINESSES, THAT'S THE WAY THAT YOU CAN LIMIT SOME OF THE APPLICATIONS.

WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT, ABOUT PROVING THE DEED? PROBABLY HOW MUCH YOU'VE LOST.

I THINK BACK TO YOUR COMMENT ON EARLIER ITEM, I THINK WE OVERREACH, UH, INTO THE PERSONAL NATURE.

IT'S, YOU'RE ASKING SOMEBODY TO PROVE THAT THEY SUFFERED AND WHAT LEVEL OF SUFFERING IS, IS, UH, ACCEPTABLE AND WHAT CROSSES A LINE THAT'S UNACCEPTABLE.

WHAT WOULD YOU THINK ABOUT HAVING A COMMITTEE THAT W THAT AT LEAST RECEIVED THE LETTER SAY, HEY, THIS IS WHY I NEED THIS AND LETTING THE COMMITTEE DECIDE BASED.

WELL, I THINK UNDER THE FIRST ROUND WE HAD A PANEL OF PEOPLE WHO WE DIDN'T EVEN KNOW WHO THEY WERE FOR.

GOOD REASON.

I THINK IT WORKED GREAT.

DID YOU I'LL WAIT.

IT DID NOT WORK GREAT.

OH, OKAY.

UM, YOU HAVE TO RECOGNIZE, WE WERE ASKING PEOPLE THAT ARE PRETTY BUSY CAUSE YOU, YOU WANT PEOPLE THAT ARE HIGHLY QUALIFIED AND USUALLY HIGHLY, HIGHLY QUALIFIED PEOPLE ARE BUSY TO DEDICATE A LOT OF TIME.

AND WE WERE GOING THROUGH ALMOST 200 BUSINESS APPLICATIONS.

YOU JUST ADD UP THE NUMBERS.

IF YOU SPEND FIVE MINUTES PER APPLICATION, THAT'S THAT'S OVER 10 HOURS.

SO IT WAS A BIG COMMITMENT.

AND TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, HALF THE PANELISTS DIDN'T DO ANYTHING.

SO I THINK IT WAS BIGGER ASSIGNMENT THAN WE THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO BE.

AND IT WAS BIGGER THAN MOST OF THEM THOUGHT IT WOULD COULD BE.

LET, LET ME, LET ME SPIN THIS A LITTLE BIT.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE IDEA OF HELPING BUSINESSES THAT SUFFERED.

YOU COULD MAKE THE ARGUMENT THAT THE GRANT THAT WE PRESENTED EARLIER WAS FOR THAT IT WAS TO HELP PEOPLE THAT ARE SUFFERING.

YOU CAN MAKE THE ARGUMENT.

THIS NEXT GRANT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE PAST.

THIS HAS TO DO WITH THE FUTURE.

THIS HAS TO DO ABOUT GROWTH, GETTING BACK ON YOUR FEET, UM, EXPANDING, UM, GETTING BACK INTO THE MARKET.

SO MAYBE LOOKING BACK IN AT THE SUFFERING PART, ISN'T AS IMPORTANT AS WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO WITH THIS MONEY TO DO SOMETHING BETTER? ARE YOU JUST GOING TO RECOUP SOME MONEY? SO, UH, YOU CAN BUY A BOAT OR ARE YOU GOING TO INVEST THIS INTO FACADE IMPROVEMENTS OR HIRING PEOPLE? SO MAYBE THE, THE PAST ISN'T AS IMPORTANT AS THE FUTURE.

HOW DO YOU JUDGE THAT? WELL, I THINK THE CRITERIA IS ALREADY SET OUT.

IF YOU WANT TO HIRE SOME PEOPLE, THAT'S A MOVE FORWARD.

IF YOU WANT TO SUBMIT OR, OR, OR, OR THERE ARE SOME PRE-APPROVED, UH, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT ITEMS, COMPUTERS, THE SIDES, UH, FLOORING PAINTING, UH, THEN YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE MOVING FORWARD.

I WOULD AGREE WITH MR. GOBLE.

I THINK THAT THE REASON WHY THIS IS THE FIRST PROGRAM THAT'S COMING TO YOU, THAT, THAT YOU, YOU HEARD A LOT OF CONCEPTS TONIGHT AND, AND A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE GOING TO HAVE TO COME BACK TO YOU.

THIS IS THE FIRST ACTUAL PROGRAM THAT WE CAN ROLL OUT BECAUSE THE INFRASTRUCTURE, IF I CAN USE THAT TERM, THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS ALREADY THERE.

STAFF'S DONE THIS BEFORE.

WE KNOW HOW TO LOOK AT IT.

WE KNOW HOW TO ADMINISTER IT.

WE CAN DO IT.

THE ONLY THING THAT WE WOULD NEED TO DO AT THIS POINT IS TO COME BACK IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS WITH THE, UH, W W W WITH THE CIP PORTION OF IT AND, AND DEVELOP SOME CATEGORIES AND THEN, AND THEN MARRY IT TO WHAT YOU'VE ALREADY HEARD.

I AGREE WITH ALL THAT I WOULD LIKE TO ASK BY COUNCIL MEMBERS, IF THEY ARE AGREE THAT THE PROFITS SHOULD BE CONSIDERED AT THAT, UH, SET, THAT RESTAURANTS SHOULD HAVE, UH, SHOULD BE PART OF THE PROCESS, BUT NOT EXCLUDED.

NEXT PAYMENT'S DUE, BUT STAFF MAY HAVE OTHER IDEAS.

PROFITS SHOULD BE INCLUDED.

THEY PROVIDE A GREAT SERVICE.

WELL, WITH REGARD TO DISTINGUISHING SIT DOWN AND, AND, UH, FAST FOOD.

I THINK A DRIVE THROUGH WOULD BE A GOOD INDICATOR, WHETHER THEY WOULD BE EXCLUDED OR NOT.

SO, YEAH, I HAVE A QUESTION REGARDING, UM, THE HYBRID MODEL.

SO IF THEY SUBMIT THEIR IDEA OF WHAT THEY WANT TO DO TO SEE, TO IMPROVE FACADE, COMPUTERS, FLOORING, WHATEVER, HOW DO WE ENSURE I KNOW THIS IS REALLY CYNICAL, BUT HOW DO WE ENSURE THAT WHEN WE GIVE THEM THAT MONEY, BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO TAKE TIME, THEY'RE GOING TO GET THE MONEY AND THEY HAVE TO BUY IT AND EVERYTHING AND INSTALL IT.

IF LIKE, IF IT'S FLOORING THAT THEY ACTUALLY USE THAT MONEY FOR THAT, AND THAT WE ARE NOT GOING TO BE DEALING WITH FRAUD, I GUESS YOU COULD WORK ON A REIMBURSEMENT BASIS IS ONE POSSIBILITY.

IF EVERYBODY'S GOT A CREDIT CARD, THEY CAN CHARGE THINGS TOO.

AND THEY GET A 21 DAY GRACE PERIOD UNTIL THE

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AND THAT WOULD REQUIRE, UM, OUR FINANCE DEPARTMENT TO, YOU KNOW, LIKE HOP ON IT AND GET THOSE CHECKS.

THOSE REIMBURSEMENT CHECKS OUT TO THEM.

BUT THAT'S, THAT'S JUST KIND OF AN IDEA IS LIKE, HOW WE, HOW DO WE ENSURE THAT WE'RE GOING TO GIVE YOU $10,000 FOR FLOORING AND YOU DECIDED TO BUY A BOAT WITH IT INSTEAD, YOU LIED.

IT'S AN EXCELLENT QUESTION.

AND, AND THAT'S THE REASON WHY WE WERE THE PLAN WAS TO COME BACK TO THE COUNCIL WITH, WITH THE LARGER ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DETAILS THAT HAD TO DO WITH THE CONSULTANT AND THEN THE SMALLER BUSINESSES.

BECAUSE REMEMBER WHEN, WHEN WE INTRODUCED THE ISSUE OF THE SMALLER BUSINESSES, WE WERE ALSO TALKING ABOUT IF BUSINESSES WANT TO DO EXPAND, THEY ALSO HAVE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE THEY HAVE TO COMPLY WITH.

SO OFTENTIMES THEY HAVE TO BUILD THINGS LIKE ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING, ADDITIONAL PARKING.

THEY MAY NOT HAVE THE MONEY FOR THAT.

THAT WAS WHERE THE THOUGHT WAS.

AT LEAST, YOU KNOW, BRAINSTORMING.

THAT WAS WHERE THE THOUGHT WAS THAT WE WOULD COME IN WITH THIS CIP PLAN IS TO HELP THE BUSINESSES PAVE THEIR PARKING AREA, HELP THE BUSINESS WITH A FACADE GRANT TO PUT UP A NEW SIGN, HELP THE BUSINESS, PUT UP A NEW LANDSCAPING.

EXACTLY WHAT MR. GOBLE WAS TALKING ABOUT IN TERMS OF BEAUTIFICATION.

WE JUST HADN'T FLUSHED OUT THE DETAILS OF THAT YET.

SO THAT WAS, THAT WAS A PROGRAM THAT WAS PROBABLY A MONTH OR MONTH AND A HALF AWAY FROM COMING TO YOU WHERE THIS ONE WAS JUST STRICTLY THE GRANT AND EMPLOYMENT ISSUES.

NOW, IF WE'RE GOING TO COMBINE THOSE, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO BACK AND DEVELOP CATEGORIES AND THEN METHODOLOGIES FOR, FOR ADDRESSING WHAT YOU JUST BROUGHT UP IN THE SAME WAY ON THE LABOR SIDE, TAXPAYERS ARE GONNA WANT TO KNOW, UH, THAT APPLYING FOR A $5,000 GRANT.

ISN'T GOING TO A FAMILY MEMBER LIVING IN THE SAME HOUSEHOLD, PERHAPS, UH, OR, UH, SO THAT'S WHY I SAY IN THAT CASE MAY BE A RETROACTIVE REIMBURSEMENT.

ONCE THEY SHOW THE QUARTERLY PAYMENT OF WAGES TO THAT NEW PERSON, UH, THAT MAY BE MORE OF A TAXPAYER SECURED KIND OF A THING.

QUESTION FOR STAFF.

UM, AND I COMPLETELY AGREE.

WE WANT ACCOUNTABILITY THAT THESE BUSINESS OWNERS ARE GOING TO ACTUALLY USE IT FOR WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO WITH REGARD TO STAFF TIME.

I FEEL LIKE THE MORE WE INCREASE ACCOUNTABILITY, IT'S GOING TO INCREASE OUR STAFF TIME.

SO WHAT'S THAT IMPACT GOING TO LOOK LIKE? BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, WE JUST HAVE A SIMPLE APPLICATION, $15,000.

WE WRITE THEM A CHECK, THE MONEY'S OUT THERE, BUT THERE'S NO ACCOUNTABILITY AS OPPOSED TO OKAY.

SUBMIT YOUR DESIGN STANDARDS THAT YOU KIND OF PROPOSE AND THEN REVIEW TIME FOR STAFF.

WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE FOR US? COULD WE USE OUR MONEY TO REIMBURSED OURSELVES FOR THAT STAFF STAFF TIME? WELL, I BELIEVE WE CAN.

UM, BECAUSE THAT, IF WE RUN INTO A DEFICIT SITUATION, THE ART MONEY WAS TO BACKFILL THAT, UM, AGAIN, THIS PROGRAM WOULD BE ALMOST COMPLETE IN 20 TO 30 DAYS WITH AT LEAST THE INITIAL TRAUNCH OF FUNDING, THE, THE INITIAL 15.

AND THEN IT WOULD BE A MATTER OF JUST SIMPLY MONITORING WHO SUBMITTED THE AND WHO HIRED.

THAT'S NOT A HARD THING TO DO.

WE HAVE STAFF READY TO DO THAT, NOT A PROBLEM.

UM, IF, IF WE COMBINE IT WITH A MORE SOPHISTICATED PROGRAM THAT THE CIP PROGRAM IS, UH, AND THEY BOTH OCCUR AT THE SAME TIME, IT IS IT'S GOING TO BE CHALLENGING, BUT, BUT I CAN'T, I CAN'T REALLY ANSWER THE QUESTION BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T DEVELOPED ALL OF THE STEPS THAT THE CIP PROGRAM IS GOING TO HAVE.

BUT THE, THE INITIAL THOUGHT WAS IS THAT THE CIP PROGRAM OR THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COMPONENT WOULD COME AFTER, RIGHT.

THAT WOULD COME AFTER THIS BUSINESS GRANT SECTION.

SO I'D SUGGEST A HYBRID THERE TO MY COLLEAGUES AND SAY, ROLL OUT THE, UH, EMPLOYEE PORTION.

BUT LET PEOPLE KNOW YOU HAVE AN OPTION OF WAITING FOR CIP MONEY.

CAUSE EITHER WAY, THERE MAY BE A CEILING OF X DOLLARS.

YOU CAN GO FOR THE EMPLOYEE NOW, OR YOU CAN WAIT A MONTH AND WE'LL TELL YOU HOW YOU CAN GET THESE INSTEAD.

YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD IDEA.

SO MR. GOBLE, CAN I CLARIFY, OR ARE YOU OKAY THEN WITH, WITH BRINGING FORWARD THE CIP PROGRAM IN TWO TO FOUR WEEKS SO THAT WE HAD SOME SPECIFICITY WITH IT, AND THEN TELL THE PEOPLE WHO WERE APPLYING FOR THE GRANT, YOU CAN DO THIS, IT'S A PROGRAM YOU CAN DO, BUT YOU'VE GOT ANOTHER PROGRAM COMING SHORTLY THEREAFTER.

CEILING EITHER WAY, IS THIS AMOUNT 15,000 FOR EMPLOYEES OR 15,000 FOR CIP? I UNDERSTAND YOU CAN HAVE 15,000 NOW FOR EMPLOYEES.

THE EMPLOYEE PROGRAM CAN ROLL OUT TODAY WITH THE ADDITIONAL NOTICE.

YOU ALSO HAVE A CHOICE IN FOUR WEEKS OF APPLYING FOR A C USING YOUR MONEY IN A CIP PROGRAM.

AND YOU MIGHT WANT TO DECIDE THE

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IF YOU'RE READY TO HIRE AND DO THIS, OR YOU CAN WAIT A MONTH AND USE YOUR 15,000 FOR CIP OR A BLEND OF BOTH.

AND WE'RE STILL, UM, YOU, THE ORIGINAL 15,000 THAT WE WERE PROPOSING IS STILL INTACT, RIGHT? CORRECT.

CORRECT.

THAT'S A GREAT IDEA.

AND THERE'S NO, DOUBLE-DIPPING RIGHT.

THAT, THAT'S WHAT I UNDERSTAND FROM MR. GOEBBELS DESCRIPTION.

IT'S AN EITHER OR IT'S AN EITHER, OR YOU GET A MAX OF $15,000 FOR EMPLOYEE OR CIP OR A BLEND.

WAS IT 50,000 OR WAS IT 50 TO 30? WELL, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S 15.

INITIALLY.

THERE'S A DEGREE DIRECT GRANT.

THAT'S JUST FOR 15.

AND I BELIEVE EVERYBODY QUALIFIES FOR THAT.

NOW THE SECOND TRAUNCH OF IT UNDER MR. GOEBBELS PLAN WOULD BE, YOU CAN EITHER START HIRING EMPLOYEES AND IN WHICH YOU'RE ELIGIBLE FOR THE 15 OR THE, THE CIP THAT WORKS.

BUT IF THE COUNCIL WANTED TO MAKE THE MONEY GO FURTHER, YOU JUST DON'T GIVE AWAY THE 15,000, JUST HERE YOU GO.

IT, ANY DOLLAR THAT WE GIVE IS TO EITHER A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT OR AN EMPLOYMENT THAT COULD BE YOUR OTHER OPTION THAT WERE CUT OUT OF A LOT OF FRAUD AND ABUSE.

I THINK IF WE JUST GIVE AWAY $50,000 TO EVERYBODY, THERE'S GOING TO BE A FAIR AMOUNT OF FOLKS THAT SAY, WELL, I DIDN'T MEET IT, BUT GREAT.

YOU KNOW, I, I, I THINK WE SHOULD REALLY TRY.

I KNOW IT'S UP, IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO BE PERFECT ABOUT THIS, BUT WE SHOULD TRY TO GIVE IT TO PEOPLE WHO ARE REALLY TRYING TO CUT BACK FROM REPAIR.

WELL, TO YOUR POINT, A $30,000 15 NOW, AND 15 LATER I WOULD GO TO 167 BUSINESSES.

HOW DO WE, 67 TIMES 30,000 IS ROUGHLY $5 MILLION.

THE WHOLE THING WE'D ONLY HELP 167.

WE COULD HELP DOUBLE THE NUMBER OF BUSINESSES IF WE DON'T GIVE AWAY THE FIRST 15.

I LIKE YOUR, LIKE YOUR CONCEPT OF GRILL.

WHAT WOULD, I'M CURIOUS, WHAT WOULD BE, I MEAN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FLOORING AND, YOU KNOW, FACADE IMPROVEMENTS, EQUIPMENT, IS THAT INCLUDED ON, YOU KNOW, IF THERE, IF SOMEONE'S TRUCK HAS BEEN PATCHED ALONG, YOU KNOW, FOR TWO YEARS AND YEAH.

WELL, I THINK WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS COME BACK TO YOU WITH SOME CATEGORIES SO THAT YOU CAN TAKE A LOOK AT THE CATEGORIES.

AND I THINK WE MAY FORGET SOME, YOU MAY THINK OF SOME, AND I THINK WE JUST NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT EVERYBODY THINKS THE CIP SHOULD COVER.

AND I, AND I WOULD BE HAPPY TO DO THAT IN THE NEXT TWO WEEKS.

AND WE'LL COME BACK TO YOU IN TWO WEEKS AND WE'LL, WE'LL TALK ABOUT A CATEGORY AND ESTABLISH SOME LISTS.

I THINK THAT'S GREAT.

I'M OKAY WITH YOUR IDEA OF NOT GETTING THE FIRST 15 TO EVERYBODY FREE IT ACTUALLY CRAMPS IDEA, BUT YEAH.

I JUST WAS AGREE WITH IT, BUT YEAH.

I THANK YOU, STEVE, FOR HAVING SOME REALLY GOOD BUSINESS THOUGHTS ON THIS.

SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO STRETCH IT TO HELP MORE PEOPLE THIS TIME.

UM, YOU'VE GOT PLENTY OF DIRECTION, BEAUTY.

ANYTHING ELSE? YEAH.

WE'RE GOING TO GO INTO THE BUSINESS ASSISTANCE PROGRAM NEXT.

UM, I WOULD, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WHEN, WHEN THE TIME IS RIGHT, NOW'S NOT THE TIME, BUT, BUT WHEN THE, WHEN THE TIME IS RIGHT, THAT I WOULD ENCOURAGE COUNCIL TO ADOPT THE RESOLUTION THAT AT LEAST GETS THIS PORTION OF IT TAKEN CARE OF.

AND THEN WE CAN DO THE CIP IN TWO WEEKS.

ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH THAT? YEAH.

OF THIS PROGRAM MORE THAN LIKELY BECAUSE OF GOVERNMENT CODE, SECTION 10 90, IT MIGHT BE AN EXCEPTION TO, IT WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT IT, BUT JUST BY VIRTUE OF THE FACT THAT YOU ARE ONE OF MANY BUSINESS OWNERS, YOU'RE TREATED IN WHAT WE CALL THE PUBLIC GENERALLY EXCEPTION.

UM, SO THIS IS THE END OF THE BUSINESS GRANT SECTION.

WE'RE GOING TO GO INTO THE BUSINESS ASSISTANCE PLAN NOW, AND THIS IS A MUCH SIMPLER PROGRAM.

UM, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS THAT THE CITY CAN PAY BUSINESS LICENSE FEES FOR BUSINESSES AS A WAY OF SUSTAINING BUSINESSES DURING THIS DIFFICULT TIME.

AND THEN THE ART FUNDS CAN REIMBURSE THAT, WHICH IS UNACCEPTABLE USE OF THE ART FUNDS.

UH, THAT THAT'S, THAT'S THE ANSWER RIGHT THERE.

WE, IF WE, IF WE PAY THE BUSINESS LICENSE FEES FOR ALL BUSINESSES THAT ARE AT, ARE IN EL CAHONE, OR EVEN DO BUSINESS IN ALCOHOL, BUT MAYBE BASED OUTSIDE THE CITY IS $825,000.

IF YOU'RE ONLY WANTING TO PAY THE BUSINESS LICENSE FEES FOR ONLY BUSINESSES PHYSICALLY LOCATED IN ALCOHOL, UM, IT'S 225,000.

SO THAT WOULD BE A BUSINESS ASSISTANCE PLAN THAT, THAT WE BRING FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.

I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY.

I HAVE A BUSINESS LOCATED IN OKLAHOMA.

WOULD I NEED TO LEAVE WHEN DISCUSSING THIS AND THIS MIGHT'VE BEEN A GOOD QUESTION FOR YOU BEFORE THE MEETING IT'S APPLIES.

IT'S NOT A CONFLICT OF INTEREST FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE, BUT YOU WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO, UM, RECEIVE THE SERVICES

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SO, SO I'M OKAY.

YOU'RE OKAY TO DISCUSS IT AND VOTE ON THIS.

WHETHER YOU ARE ELIGIBLE TO PARTICIPATE, IT WOULD BE ANOTHER ISSUE THAT WE'D HAVE TO DISCUSS.

AND SO, I MEAN, IF WE'RE SAYING A BLANKET COVERAGE OF ALL BUSINESS LICENSES, THEN THAT WOULD BE THE ISSUE THEN, RIGHT? IF THAT'S, IF THAT, IF THAT'S WHAT WE'RE BEING PROPOSED IS WHAT I'M BREEDING.

UM, AGAIN, IT'S LIKE A SEWER RATES.

YOU PAY THOSE BECAUSE YOU LIVE HERE AND THEN IT TREAT, YOU'RE TREATED JUST LIKE THE PUBLIC GENERALLY IN THOSE SEWER RATES.

UM, SO, SO IS THE CASE WITH BUSINESS LICENSES THAT ARE PAID ONCE YOU PAID OR NOT PAID.

SO YOU'RE ELIGIBLE UNDER THE POLITICAL REFORM ACT TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS.

WHAT I'M SAYING IS WHETHER PARTICIPATE IN THE VOTE, BUT WHETHER YOU'RE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE IN THE PROGRAM IS SOMETHING WE'D HAVE TO LOOK INTO.

OKAY, THAT'S GO AHEAD.

UH, THAT, THAT, IT'S REALLY SIMPLE.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE ENTIRETY OF THE, OF THE BUSINESS ASSISTANCE PLAN.

IT'S JUST A ONE, A ONE YEAR USE ART MONEY TO PAY FOR BUSINESS LICENSES IN THE CITY.

AND YOU HAVE TWO CHOICES AVAILABLE TO YOU.

IF YOU WANT TO EVEN DO THIS, CAN YOU EXPLAIN THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ALL BUSINESS LICENSES? SURE.

ALL BUSINESS LICENSES REFERS TO ALL BUSINESSES, BUSINESSES THAT ARE NOT PHYSICALLY LOCATED HERE, BUT SEND PEOPLE INTO THE CITY TO CONDUCT BUSINESS.

THEY NEED A BUSINESS LICENSE AS WELL.

THEY HAVE A BUSINESS LICENSE WITH THE CITY OF ALCOHOL.

AND YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE GOING TO CONDUCT BUSINESS IN THE CITY OF ALCOHOL, WHETHER YOU'RE PHYSICALLY LOCATED HERE OR NOT, YOU STILL NEED A BUSINESS LICENSE.

THAT'S WHY THAT NUMBER IS SO MUCH LARGER 825,000.

IF YOU HAVE A STOREFRONT HERE OR HOME OCCUPATION HERE, THE CITY LIMITS OF ALCOHOL, THAT'S 225,000.

SO THAT'S THE CHOICE EITHER ALL BUSINESSES, INCLUDING THOSE THAT TRAVEL INTO THE CITY TO CONDUCT BUSINESS, OR JUST THE BUSINESSES THAT ARE PHYSICALLY LOCATED IN THE CITY.

THANKS FOR THIS.

SO ARE WE GUARANTEED TO GET REFUNDED THAT MONEY BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, WHETHER IT'S THE EIGHT 25 OR THE TWO 25? WELL, YOU ALREADY HAVE WHAT WE WILL SOON HAVE ALL OF THE ART.

WELL, WE'LL SOON HAVE THE FIRST TRAUNCH OF THE ART FUNDS AND YOU WILL BE USING THOSE ART FUNDS NEXT YEAR TO REIMBURSE THE CITY, WHATEVER AMOUNT YOU SELECT, IF ANY, I WOULD CHOOSE THE HIGHER NUMBER.

IS THERE SOMETHING ELSE WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO DO? IS THERE A YEAH, BECAUSE YOU'RE JUST NOW STARTING TO LOOK AT SOME SPECIFIC PROGRAMS, SUCH AS THE ONE WE JUST DISCUSSED THE BUSINESS GRANT.

SO THIS WOULD BE CONCEIVABLY 825,000 THAT YOU COULDN'T USE ON MORE PROGRAMS AS THEY COME FORWARD.

I THINK WE SHOULD GO WITH THE TWO 25 THEN, CAUSE I WANT TO HELP BUSINESSES THAT ARE ACTUALLY IN THE CITY.

STEVE, I AGREE WITH NUMBER TWO.

AND I'M GOING TO GIVE THE CITY MANAGER CREDIT FOR THIS THOUGHT AS WELL.

UM, MY PEST CONTROL COMPANY FOR INSTANCE, UH, IS LOCATED IN ANOTHER COMMUNITY.

WE DON'T KNOW IF THAT COMMUNITY WILL HAVE A SIMILAR PROGRAM AND THEY WOULD GET A DOUBLE DIP.

SO I'M ALL FOR NUMBER TWO.

CAUSE IT'S YOU, YOU'VE GOT MORE SKIN IN THE GAME, SO TO SPEAK BECAUSE YOU'RE PAYING PROPERTY TAXES AND IT MEANS A LOT MORE.

OH, OKAY.

SO WITH THAT, UM, ALL WE NEED WOULD BE FOR THE COUNCIL TO, UM, MAKE A MOTION ON THE RESOLUTION BEFORE YOU.

ALL RIGHT, PLEASE VOTE MOTION BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.

WELL, IS THIS, UH, MAKE YOU EMOTIONAL ON THE SECOND PART? THE FIRST PART ANSWER THE, THE RESOLUTION COVERS BOTH.

SO YOU WOULD, YOU WOULD SPECIFY THAT YOU WOULD WANT AN OPTION NUMBER TWO FOR THE BUSINESS ASSISTANCE PLAN AND THEN THE BUSINESS GRANT PLAN WOULD BE ADOPTED IT IN ITS ENTIRETY AS PRESENTED.

W I'M SORRY, LET ME, LET ME REPHRASE THAT.

YOU WOULDN'T, YOU WOULD AMEND THAT TO NOT ALLOW THE FIRST $15,000.

IT WOULD BE JUST THE SECOND $15,000, BUT WHAT ABOUT ALL THE, UH, DIRECTION THAT WE GAVE ABOUT THE PROFITS? I, I HAVE AN ANSWER FOR THAT, BUT THE RESOLUTION SAYS, UH, THAT WE WITH SUCH CHANGES AND REFINEMENTS HAS BE NECESSARY OR DESIRED AS MAY BE APPROVED BY THE CITY MANAGER.

SO HE WOULD, UH, FOLLOW THE DIRECTION OF WHAT WE'VE JUST GIVEN HERE TODAY, RIGHT? THE CITY, ATTORNEY'S A PURPOSE OF THAT.

OH, SO NOW I WILL ALSO GIVE THE CITY ATTORNEY SOME PROPS TODAY TOO, SINCE THE CITY MANAGER HAS GOTTEN TO SO FAR.

SO WE'RE, WE'RE TWO TO ONE.

W WE'VE GOT SOME TIME LEFT HERE.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE NEXT RESOLUTION AS STATED.

IS THERE A SECOND?

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UPDATE? AND I WILL ASK GRAHAM TO GIVE US THIS UPDATE, EXCUSE ME, EXCUSE ME.

UM, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A SHORT FIVE MINUTE BREAK BEFORE WE CONTINUE ON WITH OUR BEAR WITH IBD.

SO IS IT A COVID-19

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UM, AFTER WE CLOSED THE, UM, WHERE WE DID THE MOTION FOR THE LAST ITEM, WE RECEIVED ONE COMMENT, OH, WITH YOUR PERMISSION.

AND OF COURSE CITY ATTORNEY'S PERMISSION, I CAN READ IT.

AND THIS IS FROM ROBERT MITCHELL.

DOES THE CITY ALREADY HAVE ACCESS TO SALES TAX RECORDS OF LOCAL BUSINESSES AND THEREFORE REVENUE, WHICH CAN BE COMPARED TO PREVIOUS YEARS? QUESTION MARK COULDN'T THESE BE USED AS CRITERIA FOR WHICH BUSINESSES ARE MOST IMPACTED BY THE PANDEMIC AND MOST IN NEED OF FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE QUESTION MARK.

AND THAT'S THE END OF THE COMMENT, UH, ANYBODY KYLE, A LITTLE BIT, OR W W WE ACTUALLY DO HAVE ACCESS TO IT.

UM, THERE IS A BIT OF A CHALLENGE IN THAT IT IS ALSO PROPRIETARY INFORMATION.

SO ONCE WE GO INTO A DOCUMENT THAT WOULD W WE COULDN'T REVEAL THAT THE OTHER PROBLEM IS BUSINESSES HAVE THE ABILITY TO DEFER THE SALES TAX.

AND SO HAVING A TRUE COMPARISON FROM QUARTER TO QUARTER BECOMES REALLY DIFFICULT BECAUSE YOU CAN DEFER SALES TAX.

AND SO NOW YOU'RE COMPARING IT TO THIRD QUARTER WITH A NON-PREFERRED QUARTER.

SO, UM, IT'S, IT'S A GREAT BENCHMARK TO SEE, YEAH.

ARE YOU REALLY HURTING, BUT PROBABLY TO USE IT AS THE, THE MEASURING STICK PROBABLY ISN'T THE WAY TO GO, BUT, BUT WE, WE WERE USING IT ALREADY TO KIND OF UNDERSTAND WHICH INDUSTRIES ARE IMPACTED THE MOST, SO WE'LL PROBABLY CONTINUE TO USE IT, BUT THAT'S A GREAT SUGGESTION.

UH, NOW THE TIME FOR THE COVID-19 REPORT, GRAB MR. MAYOR.

I DON'T HAVE REPORT.

I'M JUST HERE TO ASK, ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF THE COUNCIL HAS QUESTIONS ON COVID AND JUST KEEP IT AS AN OPEN ITEM.

ANGELA, EDDIE SPEAR CARS OF THIS, WE RECEIVED NO COMMENTS, QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL.

CHEETAHS, MY ACTIVITIES REPORT, WHICH IS AS REPORTED NOW WERE

LET'S MOVE ON THAT COMMISSIONER REPORTS.

THERE ARE NO COMMISSIONER REPORTS ON TODAY'S AGENDA ITEM BLAKE

[19. Council Activity Report]

[20. COUNCILMEMBER STEVE GOBLE MTS (Metropolitan Transit System Board); East County Advanced Water Purification Joint Powers Authority Board; Chamber of Commerce – Government Affairs Committee; SANDAG – Board of Directors – Alternate; SANDAG Public Safety Committee – Alternate; METRO Commission/Wastewater JPA – Alternate.]

ACTIVITY REPORTS FOR COUNCIL MEMBERS, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER GOAL AS REPORTED COUNCIL

[22. COUNCILMEMBER MICHELLE METSCHEL Harry Griffen Park Joint Steering Committee; Heartland Communications – Alternate; Heartland Fire Training JPA – Alternate.]

MEMBER BETCHUL AS WAS REPORTED WITH ONE EXCEPTION.

I DID GO TO THE, UM, DAVE'S HOT CHICKEN, UH, OPENING.

I HEARD YOU HELD A RUBBER CHICKEN.

I DID, AND I SMILED ALL THE WAY THROUGH IT.

UM, YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO BE ON THURSDAY AND IT GOT MOVED TO SUNDAY.

SO MY REPORT REFLECTS EDIT ON THURSDAY.

SO THANK YOU FOR REPRESENTING US THERE.

COUNCIL

[23. COUNCILMEMBER PHIL ORTIZ League of California Cities, San Diego Division; East County Economic Development Council; MTS (Metropolitan Transit System Board) – Alternate; East County Advanced Water Purification Joint Powers Authority Board – Alternate; Chamber of Commerce – Government Affairs Committee – Alternate.]

MEMBER ORTIZ AS REPORTED

[24. "El Cajon Food Fest" Event RECOMMENDATION: That the City Council directs staff to return with details of an "El Cajon Food Fest" event for City Council consideration. ]

ITEM 24 IS A JOINT REPORT BY COUNCILMEMBER GOEBEL AND BEAR PROTECT KENDRICK, WHO IS NOT HERE AT THIS POINT.

SO I'LL LEAVE IT TO YOU, MR. GOLDWELL THE IDEA HERE, AND WE'RE ACTUALLY KIND OF ON THE SAME TRACK WITH THE CHAMBER.

AND, UH, ONE OF THE OBSTACLES, PROBABLY THE BIG OBSTACLE IS, UH, THE ABILITY TO PAY FOR THE FOOD AND STAFF THE BOOTH, BECAUSE, UH, AS, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER MITCHELL SAID, UH, THE MOM AND POPS SOMETIMES RUN THE BUSINESS THEMSELVES AND THEY CAN'T LEAVE THEIR LOCATION AND GO STAFF A BOOTH.

SO, UH, THIS WOULD USE, UH, ARP FUNDS TO SUBSIDIZE THE COST OF FOOD TO REMOVE THAT BARRIER.

AND IF THE MOM AND POP CAN'T SURVIVE OR CAN'T PROVIDE STAFFING, PERHAPS AN ECE TLC CAN AND EARN A STIPEND INSTEAD, OR ST.

MADELINE SOPHIE CENTER AND EARN A STIPEND INSTEAD, OR OTHER NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION TO DO THAT, UH, IT WOULD BE GREAT FOR THE RESTAURANT, THE DINE-IN RESTAURANTS WHO COULD USE SOME MORE VISIBILITY.

ALSO NOT TALKED ABOUT A LOT ARE THE CATERING COMPANIES WHO ARE PART OF THE EVENTS INDUSTRY.

AND WE HAVE SOME OF THOSE IN ALCOHOL.

AND IF THEY WERE ABLE TO BE MADE VISIBLE TO PEOPLE TO PUBLIC, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

TYPICALLY THESE EVENTS HAVE TO CHARGE $50 OR MORE PER PERSON TO COVER THESE COSTS OF FOOD COSTS FOR ALL THESE RESTAURANTS AND, AND, AND THE LABOR THAT THEY HAVE

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TO PAY HOURLY WAGES TO.

SO THE ARP WOULD REDUCE THAT HOPEFULLY TO THE LEVEL THAT A PERSON PAYS WHEN THEY GO OUT TO EAT, WHICH COULD BE 10 TO $20 A TICKET OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

SO THAT'S WHAT THE INCENTIVE WOULD DO.

THE CHAMBER IS ON A SIMILAR PATH FOR A SEPTEMBER EVENT, AND THEY WOULD HAVE A FOOD FAST.

THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT HAVING IT OUT AT THE ELK'S PROPERTY.

WE'RE CHAZ, A LARGE FOOTPRINT.

UH, SO THIS COULD BE, UH, A HUGE FOOD EVENT AND A HUGE BUSINESS REVITALIZATION COMEBACK EVENT.

AND THAT'S THE IDEA I WOULD SUGGEST WE OUTSOURCE THIS FOR ADMINISTRATION TO SOMEBODY LIKE THE CHAMBER, WHO SEEMS TO BE ON A SIMILAR TRACK.

AND LET'S SEE IF BY SUBSIDIZING THIS AND LOWERING THE COST TO PEOPLE, IT, UH, GETS A BIG TURNOUT AND IT ALSO REACHES AN EVENT OR AN AUDIENCE DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE'VE REACHED WITH OUR, UH, DOLLAR DAYS PROGRAM.

THAT'S KIND OF A DIFFERENT AUDIENCE THAT MAY NOT BE ABLE TO AFFORD A 10 TO $20 PER PERSON TYPE OF THING.

THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GOING WITH THIS CONCEPT OF HOW MUCH THAT WOULD COST.

UH, I WOULD HOPE THAT THE OUT-OF-POCKET COSTS TO AN ATTENDEE WOULD BE 10 TO $20, THE SAME AS WHAT THEY WOULD SPEND EATING OUT.

SO WHAT WOULD THE COST BE THE CITY? OH, UH, I THINK LESS THAN A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS, LET'S SAY THAT YOU, UH, GET 40 BUSINESSES AND YOU GIVE THEM EACH $2,500 OF THAT SHOULD COVER THEIR COST OF FOOD AND LABOR.

CAUSE WHAT I'M THINKING, THAT'S A BALLPARK ESTIMATE.

MAYBE CITY STAFF HAS SOME THOUGHTS OR YOU ALL HAVE SOME THOUGHTS.

SO WOULD THIS SPEAK SORT OF LIKE, UM, I WANT TO SAY RESTAURANT WEEK WHERE YOU PAY LIKE ONE AMOUNT, BUT YOU CAN DO TASTINGS AT EVERY PLACE.

I LIKE THAT.

IT'S LIKE A BIG FOOD COURT, WHEREAS REALLY ONE OF THOSE BIG BEER FESTIVALS.

WE'RE FOODIES, UH, UH, STAFF, ANY OBJECTIONS TO THIS AS WE VIOLATE ANY LAWS COUNCIL? WELL, TH THE, THE RECOMMENDATION FROM, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER GOBEL AND DEPUTY MAYOR KENDRICK, IS TO GIVE US SOME DIRECTIONS AND FEEDBACK, AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK, FLUSH OUT WITH THE DETAILS, INCLUDING COSTS AND KIND OF HOW, WHAT WE THINK MAKES SENSE IF YOU CONSIDER YOURSELF DIRECTED.

CAN I JUST MAKE A COMMENT? I THINK THAT EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT TONIGHT, IF FOR THOSE WHO ARE WATCHING ONLINE, ALCOHOL IS TRYING REALLY, REALLY HARD.

ONE TO CHANGE YOUR IMAGE TOO, TO BRING ALCOHOL UP TO A HIGHER LEVEL.

AND I, I APPRECIATE STAFF SO MUCH AND PUTTING UP WITH OUR IDEAS, UM, AND OUR SUGGESTIONS, AND IN COMING UP WITH PLANS TO IMPLEMENT SOME OF THESE IDEAS, BECAUSE I THINK WE NEED IT SO BAD.

UM, WE NEED TO GET RID OF THE NEGATIVE CON UM, THE NEGATIVE COMMENTS THAT YOU GET FROM THE PUBLIC, HOW ALCOHOL IS JUST TERRIBLE.

ALCOHOL IS A GREAT PLACE TO LIVE, AND IT'S A GREAT PLACE TO WORK.

AND I THINK THAT WE'RE TRYING AS HARD AS WE CAN TO USE FUNDS, NOT TAXPAYER MONEY FOR MOST OF THIS, THAT WE'RE USING FUNDS THAT THE GOVERNMENT'S GOING TO GIVE TO US.

AND YES, ULTIMATELY THAT IS TAXPAYER MONEY, BUT THAT GIVES THE CITIZENS SOMETHING TO DO THAT'S AND WE BUY ELIZA'S ALCOHOL.

AND I THINK ALL OF YOU FOR PUTTING IN THE HARD WORK TO GET US TO THIS POINT, AND I I'M, I'M EXCITED TO SEE WHERE ALCOHOL GOES ON THIS.

GREAT.

I'LL PIGGYBACK OFF THAT.

IT'S, UH, WE'VE SEEN AN AFTERNOON, A LONG AFTERNOON OF REALLY COLLABORATION.

IT'S KIND OF FUN WHEN IT'S NOT DYSFUNCTIONAL.

WE ACTUALLY KIND OF GET STUFF DONE AND, UH, IT'S JUST FUN NOT TO BE DYSFUNCTIONAL.

AND WE REALLY DO COME UP WITH A LOT OF COMPROMISES AND TANGENTS AND THE REAL WINNERS ARE THE BUSINESS OWNERS AND THE PEOPLE LESS FORTUNATE.

AND I THINK THAT'S A WIN FOR ALCOHOL I'M IN FAVOR OF FUNCTIONAL.

UM, MOVING ON FIRST OFF, HOLD ON.

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THAT BRINGS US TO CLOSED SESSION OF THE CITY ATTORNEY OR SITE THE TITLE IT LEAD US INTO CLOSED SESSION.

THERE ARE NO GENERAL INFORMATION ITEMS ON TODAY'S AGENDA.

THERE ARE NO FIRST OR SECOND READINGS OF TODAY'S AGENDA

[23. CLOSED SESSIONS:]

THANK YOU, MAN.

THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING CLOSED SESSION FOR ONE ITEM.

IT'S A PUBLIC EMPLOYEE PERFORMANCE EVALUATION OF THE CITY MANAGER.

I HAVE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN THE CLOSED SESSION.

PLEASE VOTE MOTION CARRIES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF THOSE PRESENT.

WE'LL BE BACK IN A LITTLE WHILE TO FINISH THE MEETING.

THERE'S A DOUBLE REAR BACK FROM CLOSED SESSION.

I ASKED HER CITY ATTORNEY TO REPORT.

MAYOR.

THE CITY COUNCIL MET IN CLOSED SESSION FOR PERFORMANCE EVALUATION OF THE CITY MANAGER.

MR. KENDRICK WAS ABSENT.

HE WAS NOT AVAILABLE, BUT UM, THEY PERFORMED THE EVALUATION AND, UH, THAT'S THE ONLY REPORT I HAVE FOR YOU.

THANK YOU, SIR.

THIS BRINGS US TO THE JUROR, BUT THE ADJURED REGULAR JOINT MEETING OF THE ALCOHOL CITY COUNCIL, ALCOHOL HOUSING AUTHORITY SUCCESSOR AGENCY TO THE ALCOHOL REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY HELD THIS 27TH DAY OF APRIL, 2021 IS A JERED TILL TUESDAY, MAY 11TH, 2021 AT 3:00 PM.