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THERE IS ONE FORM[Public Hearing Item 2]
OF DIRECT AID IN THE, EH, IT COMES IN THE FORM OF A FOOD PANTRY.UM, SOME OF THOSE SERVICES WOULD BE OFFERED.
IT OFFERED IN PARTNERSHIP WITH INTERFAITH, UH, FOR EXAMPLE, UH, SOME OF THE JOB TRAINING SERVICES OR HOUSING ASSISTANCE, UH, SERVICES, UH, AND JUST TO COVER THE BASICS HERE.
UH, THE, THE PROJECT SITE IS WITHIN THE RM 2200, THAT'S THE RESIDENTIAL MULTI-FAMILY 2,200 SQUARE FOOT ZONE.
IT IS ALSO WITHIN THE, UH, MEDIUM DENSITY, UH, GENERAL PLAN DESIGNATION AND THE ZONING CODE SPECIFIES THAT A NONPROFIT SERVICE ORGANIZATION REQUIRES APPROVAL OF A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AS SUBMITTED, UH, WITHIN THE ARM 2200 ZONE.
AND JUST TO COVER SOME MORE BASICS HERE.
SO THE PROJECT SITE IS APPROXIMATELY 1.77 ACRES.
UH, THAT CHURCH BUILDING, UH, FORMER CHURCH BUILDING IS 12,500 SQUARE FEET.
THE SITE INCLUDES 110 PARKING SPACES, UH, IN NOTABLY IT'S RIGHT ON THE VALLEY FLOOR.
SO IT'S SURROUNDED BY, UH, MULTIPLE MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL PROJECTS AND, UH, OFFICE USES AS WELL AS THE MEDICAL CLINIC, UH, DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO THE NORTH.
UM, THERE IS INTERCONNECTING ACCESS VIA THAT WEST DRIVE AISLE, UH, WITH THE HEALTHCARE CLINIC TO THE NORTH, UM, AND TO KIND OF HELP VISUALIZE THAT HERE'S THE PROJECT ARIEL.
UM, YOU'LL SEE THAT THE SITE IS ACCESSED OFF OF MOLSON EAST MADISON, AND THEN AGAIN, THAT WESTERN DRY, UH, WEST, LET ME SEE IF I CAN POINT IT OUT HERE.
UH, THIS WEST DRIVE AISLE, UH, FOR THE HEALTHCARE CLINIC HAS INTERCONNECTING ACCESS, UH, WITH THIS SITE, HERE'S THE PROJECT SITE PLAN, UM, AGAIN, 110 PARKING SPACES, 12,000 SQUARE FOOT, UH, EXISTING STRUCTURE.
UM, AND THEN YOU CAN SEE AS WELL, NUMBER SEVEN HERE IS THAT CALL OUT FOR THE CONNECTING ACCESS.
AND THEN THIS IS THE PROPOSED FOUR PLAN.
UH, AGAIN, LARGELY SIMILAR TO, AS IT, UH, AS IT WAS AS A CHURCH THAT WE COULD LEAVING A LARGE COMMUNITY MEETING AREA, UM, TO SUPPORT ALL OF THEIR DIFFERENT PROGRAMMING.
UM, INTERFAITH WOULD HAVE A DEDICATED OFFICE SPACE, UH, WITHIN, UH, YOU KNOW, THE DIFFERENT MEETING AREAS.
UM, AND THEN LET'S MOVE ON HERE.
SO THERE'S A COUPLE OF PERTINENT PLANNING, PERMITS THAT ARE ALREADY IN PLACE FOR THIS PROJECT.
UH, THE FIRST BEING CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT NUMBER ONE 16, UH, AND THAT WAS WHAT ORIGINALLY AUTHORIZED THE RELIGIOUS FACILITY AT THIS SITE.
UM, THEY, IT WAS AMENDED AS RECENTLY AS 78, UH, BUT YOU KNOW, LARGELY UNCHANGED SINCE THEN.
UH, THE OTHER PERTINENT, UH, PLANNING PERMIT IS SPECIFIC PLAN NUMBER FIVE 13.
UH, AND SO WHEN THE MEDICAL CLINIC WAS EXPANDED, UM, THEY FOUND THAT THEY COULD NOT MEET THE ONSITE PARKING, UH, SB NUMBER FIVE, 13 AUTHORIZED OFF-SITE PARKING ON THE ADJACENT, UH, THEN RELIGIOUS FACILITY SITE.
AND SO IN PERPETUITY THAT RELIGIOUS FACILITY SITE WOULD PROVIDE 16 PARKING SPACES FOR USE BY THE MEDICAL CLINIC, UM, AND THAT, UH, IS STILL IN EFFECT TODAY.
AND SO, UM, UH, THAT WOULD BE FACTORED INTO THEIR PARKING CALCULATION FOR THIS PROJECT, UM, USING THE GENERAL OFFICE PARKING RATIO.
UH, THIS PROJECT WOULD BE, UH, THERE'D BE EXCESS PARKING.
UH, BASICALLY THE ASSEMBLY USE RATIO FOR THE FORMER RELIGIOUS FACILITY IS HIGHER.
UH, AND SO, UH, IT ACTUALLY HAS EXCESS PARKING, UH, DUE TO THE GENERAL OFFICE PARKING RATIO.
AND THEN I JUST WANTED TO BRIEFLY TOUCH ON THE USES.
AGAIN, IT IS A KIND OF A WIDE VARIETY OF USES.
AGAIN, MOST OF THEM DEALING THOUGH WITH, UH, NAVIGATING DIFFERENT SERVICES ENROLLING IN DIFFERENT MEDICAL PROGRAMS OR, UH, OTHER, UH, PROGRAMS, UH, UH, TRANSLATION SERVICES, JOB TRAINING, JOB SHADOWING PROGRAMS, UH, SENIOR SERVICES AND HOUSING, UH, HOUSING SERVICES.
UM, SO IT IS A WIDE VARIETY OF SOCIAL SERVICES AND NAVIGATION SERVICES.
UM, BUT, UH, THERE IS ALSO THE COMPONENT OF ADMINISTRATION, UH, DEFINITELY A LOT OF OFFICE SPACE AND, AND THEN, UM, THE FOOD PANTRY AND FOOD ASSISTANCE, FOOD SECURITY SERVICES THAT I ALSO MENTIONED AND, UH, DO THOSE SERVICES.
WE HAVE, UM, RECOMMENDED SOME PROPOSED CONDITIONS.
UH, FOR EXAMPLE, UH, WE STAFFED HAVE RECOGNIZED THAT, UH, UH, THE PUBLIC PARKING SITUATION IN THAT AREA IS SOMETIMES A LITTLE CHALLENGING.
UH, AND SO THERE IS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT, UH, STAFF AND CLIENTS WOULD BE, UH, ENCOURAGED TO PARK ONSITE.
UH, AGAIN, THE, THE SITE SHOULD SUPPORT, UH, MORE
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PARKING, UH, IN GENERAL FOR THE, FOR THE, TO, UH, FOR THE, KIND OF THE SHARED A SPACE THERE NOW.UM, ANOTHER RECOMMENDED, UH, OR ANOTHER PROPOSED CONDITION IS THAT THE SERVICES BE PROVIDED INDOORS.
UM, WE RECOGNIZE THAT THERE WERE SOME ISSUES WITH QUEUING LINES THAT WOULD EXTEND INTO PARKING AREAS, UH, WITH THE PREVIOUS, UH, FOOD PANTRY THAT WAS OFFERED BY, UH, THE RELIGIOUS FACILITY.
UH, AND SO TRYING TO, TO, UM, CONTAIN THAT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, UH, NO LOITERING, UH, IS ALSO ONE OF THE PROPOSED CONDITIONS, UH, AND THEN COMPLIANCE WITH THE ZONING CODE STANDARDS, UH, FOR CLEANLINESS OF THE PARKING AREA AND ALL THOSE EXTERIOR YARD AREAS.
UM, ALSO OBVIOUSLY THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT ACTS AS A MECHANISM, UH, THAT CAN BE REVOKED IF THERE IS NON-COMPLIANCE WITH THOSE CONDITIONS.
UH, THE POLICE, UH, RECOMMENDATION FOR THIS PROJECT WAS, UH, FOR APPROVAL.
THEY, UH, SAID THAT IT WOULD NOT IMPACT THEIR SERVICES.
AND I DID WANT TO MENTION ONE THING TOO, THAT, UH, CAME IN SINCE THE, THE AGENDA REPORT WAS FINALIZED.
UH, WE DID RECEIVE ONE PUBLIC COMMENT LETTER, UH, WHICH I BELIEVE IS FORWARDED TO YOU, UH, BY, UH, LAURA, UM, UH, A COUPLE EVENINGS AGO.
UM, AND SO WITH THAT, UM, MOVING ON TO THE RECOMMENDATION, JUST THE REMINDER OF WHAT THE REQUIRED FINDINGS ARE FOR EITHER APPROVING OR DENYING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, UH, FIRST BEING THAT IT SHOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH THE GENERAL MAP, GENERAL PLAN GOALS AND POLICIES, AND ANY OTHER GOVERNING, UH, SPECIFIC PLANS.
UH, IN THIS CASE, THERE ARE, UH, UH, A FEW, UH, GOALS AND POLICIES THAT THIS PROJECT WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH, UH, LISTED IN THE STAFF REPORT, UM, THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH ALL APPLICABLE USE AND DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS.
UH, NO NEW DEVELOPMENT IS PROPOSED IN A CHANGE OF OCCUPANCY BUILDING PERMIT, UH, WOULD BE REQUIRED FOR THIS.
SO, UH, TO ENSURE COMPATIBILITY WITH ALL, UH, YOU KNOW, BUILDING CODES, FIRE CODES, UH, THE OPERATIONS, UH, SHOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH SURROUNDING USES.
UH, AGAIN, I THINK WITH THE NORMAL OFFICE, UH, OPERATION OF A, UH, AN OFFICE USE A SERVICE CENTER, UH, THERE SHOULDN'T BE ANY MAJOR IMPACTS, UH, BUT WE DO HAVE THOSE ADDITIONAL PROPOSED CONDITIONS TO, UM, MAKE SURE, UH, THAT IT IS OPERATED, UH, CONSISTENT WITH THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES.
UH, THE PROJECT SHOULD NOT BE DETRIMENTAL TO PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY.
UH, THERE'S NO EXPECTED IMPACTS, UH, IN REGARD TO PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY FROM THIS PROJECT.
UM, AND THAT THE PROJECT BE IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE PUBLIC CONVENIENCE AND NECESSITY.
AND I DO THINK THAT THIS IS A, IN A KEY AREA ON THE VALLEY FLOOR, UH, ALSO KIND OF REPLACES, UH, WHAT WAS FORMERLY A, UH, YOU KNOW, COMMUNITY ORGANIZATION, A CHURCH.
UM, SO I THINK THAT FINDING CAN BE MET AS WELL.
AND WITH THAT, UH, STAFF RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT NUMBER 2020 ZERO ZERO ZERO EIGHT, UH, SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS.
AND WE ARE ALWAYS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE ANY, THANK YOU, SPENCER.
DO ANY OF MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS HAVE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? UM, COMMISSIONER POLLOCK GRIN.
OH, THAT WAS A NO, I HAVE A PERSON.
THE PANTRY SERVICE, THE DEBT ON A DAILY BASIS, WEEKLY, MONTHLY, WHAT ARE THE INCREMENTS OF SERVICE PROVIDED FOR COUNTRY SERVER? YOU KNOW, I'M NOT CERTAIN, BUT I DO KNOW THAT THE APPLICANT TEAM IS, UH, WAITING TO SPEAK UNDER PUBLIC COMMENTS.
SO THAT'D BE A GREAT QUESTION FOR THEM.
SO KULI WILL BE ON PRIVATE PROPERTY, NOT ON PROPERTY, NOT IN THE STREET ITSELF, CORRECT? YEAH.
SO THE, THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL WOULD, UH, ESTABLISH THAT ALL BUSINESS, JUST LIKE ANY OTHER COMMERCIAL, UH, ZONE PROPERTY WOULD BE CONDUCTED IN DOORS.
UM, OBVIOUSLY RIGHT NOW, THAT'S MAYBE A LITTLE BIT MORE CHALLENGING, UH, DUE TO THE ONGOING PANDEMIC.
UH, BUT THERE WOULD BE OTHER TEMPORARY APPROVALS THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE ACQUIRED IF THERE WERE TO BE ANY SORT OF OUTDOOR QUEUING AT THIS POINT.
UM, SO THE, THE CONDITION ESTABLISHES THAT BUSINESS SHOULD BE CONDUCTED INDOORS ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS.
SO JUST IN REGARDS TO THE PARKING SITUATION THAT THE RESIDENT WAS, UH, REFERRING TO, UM, THAT WAS THE SITUATION BECAUSE OF CHURCH SERVICES PRIOR WHERE YOU THINK THERE'LL BE LESS LOAD ON THIS PARKING LOT NOW, IS THAT CORRECT? UM, SO I THINK THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE KIND OF A MORE INFORMAL SHARING SITUATION AT THIS POINT, SINCE THEY ARE OPERATED BY THE SAME, UH, THE SAME OPERATORS.
UM, WE HAD DISCUSSED AT A STAFF LEVEL EARLIER THAT, UM, MAYBE ADDITIONAL SIGNAGE TO MAKE THAT CLEAR WOULD BE NECESSARY,
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UH, AND THE APPLICANT TEAM WAS A MINIMAL TO THAT.UM, SO I DEFINITELY THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THEY SHOULD LOOK INTO TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS ADDITIONAL PARKING, UH, AT THE ADJACENT SITE.
I BELIEVE THE, THE QUESTION ABOUT THE PARKING WAS NOT SO MUCH ON THE WEEKEND, BUT WEEKDAY WITH THE COMMUNITY HEALTH CENTER, PARKING THAT OVERFLOWS ON MALLS.
COMMISSIONER DEBRA, UH, MR. HAYES.
SO THERE IS A I RECOLLECT BECAUSE I KNOW THIS AREA VERY WELL.
UM, I JUST WANT TO CONFIRM THERE IS A WALL, A CMU WALL, I BELIEVE BETWEEN THE, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD HEALTHCARE AND THE RESIDENTS IS RIGHT.
IS THAT CORRECT? I BELIEVE SO.
UH, AND THEN THERE'S, UH, THERE'D BE A, I THINK IT'S A ROD IRON GATE THAT WOULD CONNECT TO THE INTERCONNECTING ACCESS AREA, UM, BETWEEN THOSE TWO PROPERTIES.
I'D LIKE TO, UH, EVENTUALLY HEAR FROM THE, UH, FROM, UH, UH, BOTH OF THE, THE, UH, THE HEALTH CARE ABOUT THE TIMING AND HOW THE FOOD PANTRY DISTRIBUTION IS GOING TO FUNCTION.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY.
LET'S GO AHEAD AND OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, MR. VIAS, DO WE HAVE SPEAKERS? YES.
MR. CHAIR, WE DO HAVE MIKE DE LEON, WHO IS THE APPLICANT AND CARL HIGGINS, WHO IS A REPRESENTATIVE.
AND ADDITIONALLY WE HAVE, OR WE HAD THERE, SHE IS, UH, JESSICA HILLIS AND SHE'S THE ONE THAT WROTE THE LETTER AND WANTED TO SPEAK AS WELL.
UM, LET'S GO AHEAD AND BRING HIM, I'M SORRY.
I'M SEEING THAT RAQUESH PATEL WHO I BELIEVE IS A PROJECT REPRESENTATIVE, HAS HIS HAND UP.
UM, LET'S BRING, UH, JESSICA HILLIS IN FIRST.
ARE YOU ABLE TO HEAR ME? YES, WE ARE.
DO YOU NEED TO SEE ME OR JUST HEAR ME? IF YOU JUST WANT TO SPEAK ON THE PHONE, THAT'S FINE.
IF YOU WANT TO BRING YOUR VIDEO IN, THAT'S FINE AS WELL.
I HAVE THE VIDEO UP, SO I'M NOT SURE WHY WE'RE NOT BEING SEEN, BUT IF YOU CAN HEAR ME, THAT'S FINE.
NOW'S YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
WELL, THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO TALK TO YOU TONIGHT.
I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT I HAD READ THE AGENDA BEFORE BRINGING UP ANY, UM, CONCERNS THAT I HAD.
SO AT LEAST I HAD SOME IDEA OF WHAT WAS GOING INTO THAT FACILITY.
UM, I HAVE LIVED THERE FOR ALMOST 30 YEARS, SO I'VE DEFINITELY SEEN THINGS, UH, YOU KNOW, CHANGE OVER THE, OVER THE COURSE OF THAT TIME.
AND THE BIGGEST CONCERN OF COURSE IS HOW BUSY THAT STREET IS WITH A COUPLE OF SCHOOLS IN THE AREA.
AND THE CLINIC HAS GOTTEN BIGGER.
IT WENT FROM A ONE STORY BUILDING TO A TWO STORY BUILDING, AND THERE'S ONLY ABOUT 40 PARKING SPACES, UH, PROVIDED FOR THE PATIENTS.
SO OF COURSE THEY USE OUR STREET PARKING, UM, WHICH IS NOT NORMALLY A PROBLEM, EXCEPT WHEN YOU'VE GOT SCHOOLS IN SESSION.
UM, GETTING OUT OF THE SAME TIME AS PATIENTS THAT ARE TRYING TO FIND PARKING THAT IS NOT AVAILABLE IN THOSE SMALL LOTS, THEY BLOCK TRAFFIC.
THEY ACTUALLY PARKED IN MY DRIVEWAY.
UM, THEN IT GOT TO THE POINT WHERE, UH, THE NEW BRAKE CHURCH ON EVERY FRIDAY WOULD START HANDING OUT TO FREE FOOD TO THE COMMUNITY.
AND YOU, IF IT WAS CHURCH MEMBERS ONLY WHICH IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN, BUT MAYBE SOME EXTRAS, UM, SCOOTED IN THERE TOO, THEY WOULD JUST HAND OUT BOXES OF FOOD.
UM, WITH YOU, YOU TAKE IT ALL OR YOU DON'T TAKE IT ALL TAKE AT ALL.
AND, UH, EVERY FRIDAY THERE WOULD BE A HUGE, HUGE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE.
THEY WOULD CLOSE OFF THE ENTIRE FRONT PARKING LOT.
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ALL THE, I DON'T KNOW, A HUNDRED PEOPLE, A HUNDRED FAMILIES WOULD BE ABLE TO QUEUE INSIDE THE PARKING LOT TO GRAB THEIR BOX OF FOOD.AND THEN THOSE PEOPLE WOULD KIND OF, YOU KNOW, SWARM THE STREETS AND THEY WOULD THEN DIG THROUGH THE FOOD AND JUST THROW WHAT THEY DIDN'T WANT ON THE SIDEWALK.
AND IT WAS JUST A VERY DISRESPECTFUL AND IT WAS A MESS THAT I WOULD FIND MYSELF OFF AND HAVING TO CLEAN UP.
AND THEN, UM, IT, I'M AFRAID THAT HAVING THIS FOOD BANK, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THIS FOOD BANK.
IS IT OPEN TO ANYBODY WHO JUST WALKS IN? IS IT A TAKE ALL OR NOTHING? UM, SO IF THAT COULD BE CLARIFIED, I WOULD LIKE TO MAYBE NOT HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND NOT HAVE A REPEAT OF WHAT WAS GOING ON FOR SEVERAL MONTHS FROM THE CHURCH THAT WAS THERE PRIOR, UM, I'M AFRAID OF, OF MORE TRAFFIC BRINGING IN POSSIBLY UNSAVORY CHARACTERS THAT WOULD DROP FOOD ON MY STREETS.
UM, MORE PARKING, ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE, UM, THE CLINIC USING THAT SPACE, WHICH THEY ARE NOW.
THEY'RE NOT JUST DOING THE LITTLE 16 SPACES IN THE BACK THAT THE CHURCH PARKING LOT HAS GIVEN THEM.
THEY'RE ALSO USING THE FRONT LOT.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S FOR STAFF OR IF IT'S FOR PATIENTS, BUT MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, THERE ARE MORE CARS PARKED IN THAT LOT, AS WELL AS ON THE STREETS AND FILLING UP THOSE LOTS AND STILL IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE.
SO, UH, I'M THINKING THAT THE FOOD PANTRY IS GOING TO START BRINGING MORE PEOPLE IN MORE PARKING, UM, MORE PARKING PROBLEMS, ESPECIALLY IF YOU GIVE ANYTHING AWAY FOR FREE.
AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S MY, MY BIGGEST CONCERN, UNLESS THERE'S SOME SORT OF AN ALTERNATIVE WHERE THEY GET, UM, ONLY ON A CERTAIN DAY WHERE THERE IS LESS TRAFFIC, MAYBE ON A WEEKEND.
UM, DO WE, AND MY, MY, MY THING IS, IS DO WE KNOW HOW MANY STAFF USE, UM, ARE USING THOSE PARKING LOTS TO, TO PARK THEIR CARS IN? SO THAT WAY THEY, YOU KNOW, FROM THE CLINIC THAT WOULD, THAT ARE NOT, UM, USING THE PATIENT PARKING.
AND, UM, WE'VE GOT MANY, MANY LARGE APARTMENT COMPLEXES IN THE AREA THAT DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PARKING SPACE.
AND SO THEY ARE ALSO TAKING UP OUR STREET PARKING.
SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE CONCERNS, YOU KNOW, BIG CONCERNS ARE.
UM, YOU KNOW, SO, I MEAN, CAUSE KEY LARGO, THEY JUST RECENTLY, I BELIEVE IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, UM, BUILT A COUPLE NEW BUILDINGS ON THEIR SPACE, WHICH USED TO BE PARKING SPACES.
AND SOME OF THOSE PEOPLE ARE NOW TRYING TO FIND PARKING ON MY STREET AND THE SURROUNDING LITTLE STREETS ON MADISON.
SO I MEAN, THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE THE BIGGEST CONCERNS OF MINE IS, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO JUST GET INTO MY OWN DRIVEWAY AND HAVING PEOPLE PARKED ACROSS THEM OR EVEN RUDELY IN THEM AND TELLING ME, YES, I LIVE HERE WHEN THEY DON'T, YOU KNOW, JUST SO THEY CAN HAVE A SPACE TO SORT THROUGH THEIR, THEIR FOOD THAT THEY DON'T WANT.
AND THEN TO DUMP IT ON THE GROUNDS OUTSIDE OF MY HOUSE, I THINK I POSTED IT.
UM, I CAN REFER TO STAFF TO FIND OUT IF WE'VE GOT A NUMBER OF STAFF FOR THE HEALTH CLINIC, BUT I THINK THAT MIGHT BE A BETTER QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT THAT WE CAN BRING UP.
I DON'T HAVE THAT EXACT FIGURE.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS, UH, ASK, UH, JESSICA HILLIS, A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS JUST TO KIND OF BUILD ON WHAT I HAD ASKED, UH, PREVIOUSLY.
UM, I ACTUALLY WENT TO SCHOOL AT ALCOA VALLEY.
I KNOW THAT THAT AREA WELL AND, AND THE JUNIOR HIGH SCHOOL AND ON THE OTHER SIDE AND, AND MY, ACTUALLY MY DOCTOR ACTUALLY, UH, UH, WAS OUT OF THE, THE SPACE ACROSS THE STREET FROM YOU.
SO, UM, THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AS, AS I KNOW, IT HAS A LOT OF PARKING DIFFICULTIES WITH THE APARTMENTS ACROSS THE WAY AND UP THE WAY.
AND, UH, ESPECIALLY DURING CERTAIN TIMES.
SO WITH THOSE TIME PERIODS BE MORE DIFFICULT, LET'S SAY IN YOUR EXPERIENCE BETWEEN TWO AND THREE O'CLOCK AND EARLY IN THE MORNING WHEN THE KIDS ARE COMING AND GOING TO SCHOOL, OR WHAT, WHAT TIME PERIODS DO YOU SEE AS THE MOST DIFFICULT FOR THE PARKING? UM, MOST, DEFINITELY EARLY IN THE MORNINGS.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT TIME SCHOOL STARTS, BUT WITH THE TWO SCHOOLS, THE HIGH SCHOOL AND THE MIDDLE SCHOOL, RIGHT.
WOULD SAY STARTING AROUND SEVEN 30 TO PROBABLY NINE, UH, GIVING WHATEVER ZERO PERIOD TO SECOND
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PERIOD.I DON'T KNOW HOW SCHOOLS ARE NOW, UM, EASILY THAT TIME.
PLUS WE GOT TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THAT RIGHT UP MOLLISON IS THE EIGHT FREEWAY ENTRANCE.
SO KIDS GET DROPPED OFF BY THEIR PARENTS MAY BE EARLY AND THEN EVERYBODY'S GOING TO THE FREEWAY.
SO THERE'S AT LEAST THAT CONGESTION TOO.
AND THEN THE KIDS GETTING OUT OF SCHOOL PROBABLY AROUND TWO TO THREE, UM, AT THE SAME TIME.
AND NOW IT'S JUST THE, THE FLOW GOING THE OTHER WAY, PEOPLE PICKING UP THEIR KIDS TO GO HOME.
AND THEN AGAIN, YOU KNOW, FREEWAYS OR, AND SUCH.
AND I, I DON'T KNOW IF WE GET SO MUCH TRAFFIC, BUT LESS THAN A MILE UP THE STREET AS JOHNSON ELEMENTARY.
I DON'T THINK THAT THE KIDS ARE COMING TOWARD MY DIRECTION, BUT PARENTS COULD BE COMING YOU DOWN THE STREET TOWARD THAT.
SO WE'VE GOT QUITE A FEW SCHOOLS AND WE'VE GOT A BIG LIGHT WITH, UH, WITH A, UH, A FREEWAY ENTRANCE RIGHT THERE THAT EVERYBODY WANTS TO SEEM TO GO TO EARLY IN THE MORNING AND MIDDLE OF THE AFTERNOON.
AND SO THOSE WILL BE TWO TIMES WHERE WE DEFINITELY DON'T WANT TO HAVE REALLY ANY ACTIVITY OF, OF, YOU KNOW, THEY WOULD BRING PEOPLE TO THAT CORNER.
SO MY OTHER UNDERSTANDING IS THAT YOU'VE SEEN, UH, BAGS OF FOOD IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD OR, OR, OR SOME FOOD ITEMS LEFT IN YOUR YARDS FROM THE PREVIOUS FOOD DISTRIBUTION.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT.
UM, I WOULDN'T SAY BAGS OF FOOD, BUT WHEN THE CHURCH WOULD GIVE AWAY FOOD, THE, THE, THE TOP THING THAT PEOPLE WOULD THROW AWAY WOULD BE A BOX FULL OF FRUIT.
I GUESS NOBODY WANTED THE TANGERINES OR WHATEVER IT WAS.
AND SO THEY WOULD JUST DROP THE BOX OFF.
AND MAYBE IF YOU HAD A GROUP OF THREE OR FOUR PEOPLE AND NOBODY WANTED THEIR FIVE OR SIX TANGERINES OR WHATEVER IT WAS, THEY JUST ALL PILE IT INTO THE BOX AND JUST LEAVE IT IN FRONT OF MY YARD, UM, AT THE, THE LITTLE GRASSY AREA IN FRONT OF MY CURB.
AND, UM, IT WOULD SIT THERE FROM FRIDAY UNTIL TRASH NIGHT ON WEDNESDAY.
AND BY THAT TIME IT WAS PRETTY RANCID AND ROTTEN.
AND SOMETIMES I'D HAVE TO TAKE A SHOVEL AND SCRAPE IT LITERALLY OFF THE GROUND.
AND THAT IS IF THE KIDS FROM THE HIGH SCHOOL DIDN'T DECIDE TO KICK IT RANDOMLY DOWN THE STREET, AND THEN IT WOULD SPREAD FROM MY HOUSE, MY NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE.
AND SO IF YOU WERE LUCKY, IT WAS A BAG OF BREAD, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WERE UNLUCKY, IT WAS FRUIT IN THE SUMMERTIME THAT WOULD ROCK.
SO THAT'S, IT, IT BECAME QUITE A FREQUENT, FREQUENT PROBLEM.
SO WE HAD A SIMILAR PROBLEM AT THE SALVATION ARMY WITH FOOD DISTRIBUTION, AND WE SEEM TO HAVE SOLVED IT ALMOST A HUNDRED PERCENT BY DOING A NEEDS ASSESSMENT STUDY, AND THEN FIGURING OUT TO DO A FOOD CHOICE, UH, FOOD PANTRY, WHICH, UH, SEEMS TO HAVE SOLVED THE PROBLEM WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD QUITE WELL.
SO, UM, I THINK THERE'S WAYS AROUND IT.
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE SPEAKER FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION? ALL RIGHT.
UM, RON, CAN WE BRING UP, UH, THE NEXT SPEAKER? YES.
MR. CHAIR, WE HAVE CASH PATEL.
I'M THE CEO OF FAVORITE HEALTHCARE.
JUST WONDERING, FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND OF COURSE THE ANSWER TO SOME OF THE CONCERNS AND QUESTIONS THAT JUST CAME UP JUST VERY BRIEFLY.
NEIGHBORHOOD HEALTH CARE HAS BEEN AN OUTCOME FOR OVER 20 YEARS, SERVING THE COMMUNITY AND, UM, REALLY FOCUSING ON MEETING THE NEEDS OF THE LOW-INCOME POPULATIONS, UM, PROVIDING NOT ONLY MEDICAL SERVICES AND MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES, BUT ALSO STARTING TO LOOK MORE AROUND WHAT WE CALL THE SOCIAL DETERMINANTS OF HEALTH, WHICH ARE SOME OF THESE THINGS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE OF FOOD, HOUSING, UM, OTHER SUPPORT SERVICES THAT IN A LOT OF WAYS IMPACT THE HEALTH OF OUR PATIENTS, UM, THE COMMUNITIES MUCH MORE THAN SOMETIMES EVEN DIABETES OR HIGH BLOOD PRESSURE.
AND SO THIS SPACE THAT WE'VE, UH, THE CHURCH PARKING, UM, CHURCH LOT, UM, WHAT OUR PLANS THERE IS TO REALLY START TO ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE OTHER CONCERNS THAT OUR PATIENTS HAVE.
UM, WE DON'T SEE A LOT OF NEW PATIENTS GOING INTO THIS SPACE ON A GIVEN DAY.
SO INCREASING FOOT TRAFFIC, MOST OF THIS SPACE WILL BE FOR STAFF WHO WILL BE COORDINATING CARE FOR OUR PATIENTS, SO LINKING THEM TO SERVICES.
AND SO WE ENVISIONED MAYBE AN ADDITIONAL 10 PATIENTS A DAY PASSING THROUGH THAT LOCATION BECAUSE HONESTLY MOST OF THE WORK IS DONE THROUGH, UM,
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LIKE SOCIAL WORK, FOR INSTANCE.UM, WE, UM, IN TERMS OF THE PARKING, UM, YOU KNOW, TH THE PARKING IS VITAL OBVIOUSLY FOR OUR PATIENTS AND THE CLOSEST WE CAN GET TO OUR SITE, THE BETTER AS MANY OF THEM SUFFER FROM VARIOUS ELEMENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND SO WITH THIS PROPOSED SPACE, UM, WE WILL BE AT 110 PARKING SPOTS, UM, WHICH IS QUITE A BIT MORE THAN THE 64 THAT'S REQUIRED.
AND HOPEFULLY IT SHOULD NOT SPILL ONTO THE STREETS.
SO WE DON'T WANT OUR PATIENTS ON THE STREETS ANYMORE, EITHER IT'S A BUSY ROAD.
AND SO, UM, THE MORE THAT WE CAN KEEP THEM IN, IN THE PROPERTY, UM, WE'RE IN FULL AGREEMENT AND, AND SHARE SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT WERE RAISED WITH THE VARIOUS APARTMENT COMPLEXES IN THE AREA AND THE LIMITED, UM, PARKING, UM, IN TERMS OF THE FOOD PANTRY.
UM, SO WE'VE, WE'VE HAD EXPERIENCE IN DOING FOOD PANTRIES, UM, THIS, THIS PRIOR FOOD EXPERIENCE THAT WAS PUT ON BY THE CHURCH, WE TRY TO HELP SUPPORT SOME OF THAT BY PROVIDING OUR, OUR SECURITY AS A VOLUNTEER DURING THAT TIME.
BUT IN SOME OF OUR OTHER LOCATIONS, LIKE IN, IN PAMA VALLEY, UH, WE WORK WITH PARTNERS IN ESCONDIDA.
WE WORKED WITH INTERFAITH SIMILAR TO HOW, UM, YOU SPOKE ABOUT THE SALVATION ARMY KIND OF LEARNING BEST PRACTICES TO ENSURE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE DELIVERING OR PROVIDING FOOD THAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS BECAUSE IT'S A WASTE OF RESOURCES.
AND OF COURSE NOT ONLY FOR THE FOOD, BUT THEN ALSO THE CLEANUP THAT IS SUBSEQUENT TO THAT.
AND SO OUR GOAL WOULD BE VERY SIMILAR TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE PROVIDING, YOU KNOW, NUTRITIOUS FOODS THAT ARE OUR PATIENTS WANT.
UM, OUR GOAL WOULD BE REALLY TO, TO SERVICE OUR PATIENTS FIRST AND FOREMOST, THE PATIENTS THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DO WHEN A PATIENT WALKS INTO OUR HEALTH CENTER IS TO SCREEN THEM FOR SOCIAL DETERMINANTS OF HEALTH, MEANING THAT WE ASK THEM QUESTIONS, LIKE, DO YOU HAVE ENOUGH FOOD TO LAST YOU TILL YOUR, THE NEXT TIME YOU GET FOOD? DO YOU HAVE STABLE HOUSING? AND THROUGH IDENTIFICATION OF PATIENTS, WE LINK, LINK THEM TO RESOURCES.
AND WE'RE TRYING TO FIND THOSE PARTNERS IN THE COMMUNITY THAT ARE TRUSTED, THAT WE KNOW THAT OUR PATIENTS CAN GET THAT SERVICES.
SO OUR GOAL IS NOT TO ATTRACT A HUGE GROUP OF PATIENTS ONTO THE PROPERTY.
IT'S REALLY TO SUPPORT OUR PATIENTS IN, IN MEETING THE NEEDS, UM, THAT THEY, UM, CAUSE THEY CAN LIVE THEIR BEST LIVES.
UM, SINCE WE'VE TAKEN OVER THE CHURCH PROPERTY, WE'VE ADDED, UM, SECURITY BOTH DURING THE DAY, AS WELL AS NIGHTTIME.
UM, THERE'S BEEN A REDUCTION IN CALLS TO THAT PROPERTY SINCE ADDING THE, THE, UH, UM, SECURITY AND WITH THE FOOD PANTRY IN TERMS OF FREQUENCY.
WHAT WE USUALLY DO IS, IS SOMETHING MAYBE ONCE A MONTH, IT'S, IT'S DEFINITELY NOT WEEKLY.
THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD DO.
UM, BUT IT WOULD BE SOMETHING MONTHLY.
UM, THE TIME WILL BE FLEXIBLE AND I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERNS OF SCHOOL.
THERE'S NO REASON TO INUNDATE THE AREA WITH MORE FOOT TRAFFIC.
I I'M A PRACTICING FAMILY DOC.
I PRACTICED IN OKLAHOMA FOR 16 YEARS.
SO I'M PRETTY WELL VERSED IN THAT AREA AS WELL.
AND SO I THINK WE WOULD OBVIOUSLY DO THE BEST.
WE WANT TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR AND A COMMUNITY PARTNER.
AND REALLY OUR GOAL IS ALSO TO IMPROVE THE HEALTH OF THE COMMUNITY SO THAT THEY'RE NOT, UM, NEEDING AS MANY CITY SERVICES AS WELL, IF WE CAN PROVIDE THESE SERVICES.
UM, I THINK OUR GOAL IS MUTUAL AS IS YOURS FOR A HEALTHY WELL FUNCTIONING COMMUNITY.
UM, I THINK I ANSWERED ALL THE QUESTIONS IF I DIDN'T HAPPY TO TAKE SOME, UM, YOU ANSWERED SOME OF THE PARKING QUESTIONS.
ONE THAT I DIDN'T GET THE ANSWER TO IS HOW MANY OF THOSE PARKING SPOTS ARE GOING TO BE USED BY STAFF? I BELIEVE I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT NUMBER OF STAFF.
SO I THINK WE HAVE ABOUT, I THINK WE HAVE ABOUT 50 STAFF ON THERE AND THERE'S ABOUT 110 SLOTS.
UM, THIS IS WHAT I HAVE THE NEW PARKING ON TOP OF WHAT WE HAD BEFORE.
THAT'S A FAIR, QUICK GUESSTIMATE ANYWAY.
QUESTIONS FROM PLANNING COMMISSION, MR. CABRERA, UH, DR.
RAKESH, I, UH, THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU'RE DOING FOR THE COMMUNITY AND I LOOK FORWARD TO, TO WORKING CLOSELY TOGETHER WITH YOU IN THE FUTURE.
UM, I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA.
UM, LET ME ASK YOU THE QUESTION ABOUT SECURITY BECAUSE YOU KIND OF, YOU BROUGHT THAT UP AND THAT WAS ONE OF MY KEY POINTS.
I, I DO FIND THAT FOOD DISTRIBUTION PARTICULAR, IF IT'S HEAVY, YOU, IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE HEAVY, UM, SHOULD ALWAYS BE, UH, COMBINED WITH, UH, SECURITY.
UM, SO, UM, WHAT ARE THE SECURITY, UM, UH, THE THINGS THAT YOU DO FOR, FOR YOUR SECURITY PRESENTLY, OR DO YOU HAVE THAT 24 SEVEN OR DO YOU ONLY HAVE IT DURING FREE
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DISTRIBUTION OR YOU ONLY HAVE IT AT NIGHT? OR HOW DOES, HOW DOES YOUR SECURITY ACTUALLY? YEAH, SO WE ACTUALLY HAVE A, UM, OUR OWN SECURITY GUARD DURING THE DAY, AND THEN WE HAVE A NIGHT PATROL.AND ONE WHAT WAS HAPPENING IS WHEN WE TOOK OVER THE PROPERTY, THERE WAS SOME ISSUES, UM, ESPECIALLY AT NIGHT.
AND SO ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS THAT WE DID WAS BRING ON NIGHT PATROL AND THAT'S REALLY DRASTICALLY REDUCED.
I THINK PEOPLE THOUGHT OF AS A VACANT BUILDING.
AND SO THAT, OF COURSE WITH THAT COMES SOME CHALLENGES, BUT WE'RE NOT FACING THOSE ANYMORE.
IT ALSO SEEMS THAT YOU'RE VERY FLEXIBLE WORKING WITH THE COMMUNITY ABOUT THE HOURS OF THE FOOD DISTRIBUTION.
UH, AM I CORRECT IN ASSUMING THAT ABS ABSOLUTELY WE'RE FOUNDED ON THE COMMUNITY.
ONE OF MY BOARD MEMBERS IS A PATIENT AND ALCOHOL, AND SO WE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE WANT TO BE GOOD STEWARDS OF, UM, THE COMMUNITY, THE WORK THAT WE DO, SO ABSOLUTELY THAT THAT'S NOT AN ISSUE FOR US AT ALL.
SO I ONLY HAVE ONE MORE TECHNICAL QUESTION.
I NOTICED THAT YOUR FLOOR PLAN SHOWS THAT YOU HAVE THE COMMUNITY FOOD PANTRY IN THE REAR OF THE BUILDING.
UM, LET'S SAY ON THE SIDE WHERE THE PARK IS, UM, AND YOU HAVE YOUR ADA, UH, HANDICAP ACCESSIBLE BATHROOM ALSO IN THAT AREA.
UM, SO IT SEEMS TO ME LOGICALLY THAT WHEN YOU DO THE DISTRIBUTION, YOU'RE GOING TO PROBABLY DO IT FROM THE REAR SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.
IS THAT CORRECT? I BELIEVE SO.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE THEY WERE DOING THAT BEFORE IN THE BACK.
AND I THINK IT WAS TO TRY TO MINIMIZE THE TRAFFIC IN THE FRONT.
I JUST WOULD, I WOULD TRY TO JUST TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT YOUR, IT LOOKS LIKE YOU HAVE PLENTY OF ADA PARKING.
I WOULD JUST, I WOULD JUST KIND OF HAVE YOU CONSIDER, UH, THAT'S AS THE FOOD DISTRIBUTION IS GOING TO BE AT THE BACK THAT MAYBE YOU ADD MAYBE PARKING SPOTS, 56 AND 57 COULD BE ADA PARKING SPOTS INSTEAD OF THEM HAVING TO GO ALL THE WAY FROM THE FRONT AND COME ALL THE WAY AROUND OR GO THROUGH SO THEY CAN GET TO THAT ADA BATHROOM AND TO THE FOOD DISTRIBUTION.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, UH, JUST A LITTLE BIT OF CONSIDERATION FOR THAT PARKING SITUATION.
I WOULD ADD THAT DURING THESE EVENTS, WE ALSO HAVE, UM, COMMUNITY OUTREACH WORKERS THAT ARE OUT THERE TO SUPPORT THE PATIENTS AS WELL.
SO I THINK THEY'LL, THERE'LL BE ADDITIONAL RESOURCES, BUT YEAH, I THINK THAT'S EASY ENOUGH FOR US TO DO WELL.
I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU TAKING THE EFFORT TO DO THIS.
IT'S GOING TO BE A GREAT THING FOR THE COMMUNITY AND IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU REALLY KNOW, UH, HOW TO PARTNER UP WITH OTHER COMMUNITY GROUPS.
ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS WITH QUESTIONS FOR OUR SPEAKER? ALL RIGHT.
UM, MR. BAEZ, DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER SPEAKERS, MR. CHAIR? NOBODY ELSE HAS RAISED THEIR HAND.
AND ALSO THERE ARE NO CHAT COMMENTS.
I DO BELIEVE WE HAD A PREVIOUS REQUEST FOR CARL HIGGINS AND PERHAPS MY DEAN LEONE TO SPEAK.
UM, SO I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND UNMUTE CARL.
UM, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK GOOD EVENING, CARL, ARE YOU THERE, CARL? I'M NOT HEARING ANYTHING.
UM, WE'LL WE'LL, WE'LL TRY AGAIN LATER, PERHAPS WE'LL GO TO MIKE DELEON.
UM, IN THE MEANTIME, CARL, IF YOU'RE THERE AND WE JUST COULDN'T HEAR YOU.
MY NAME IS MIKE AND I'M THE FACILITIES DIRECTOR OVER AT, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD HEALTH.
PATEL, UH, ANSWERED, UM, THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE PUT OUT THERE.
SOME OF THE TOPICS I WAS GOING TO TALK ON.
UM, SO I REALLY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY OTHER THAN I'M HERE FOR ANY ADDITIONAL DETAILED QUESTIONS, IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY.
LET ME CHECK WITH MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS.
IF THEY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR
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YOU.I'M SEEING NO QUESTIONS AT THE MOMENT.
LET'S SEE IF WE CAN GET AHOLD OF CARL AGAIN.
WE DID JUST GET A, UH, CHAT RESPONSE FROM HIM THAT IT SOUNDS LIKE HE'S UNABLE TO CONNECT WITH AUDIO, BUT I WILL GIVE IT ONE MORE GO HERE.
AND CARL, I'LL MENTION THAT IF WE CAN'T HEAR YOU, YOU CAN STILL PUT ANY COMMENTS YOU WANT TO SHARE IN THE Q AND A OR IN THE CHAT WINDOWS.
SO HE HAS RESPONDED AND HE SAYS I'M GOOD.
ARE THERE ANY OTHERS WHO WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM TONIGHT? IF YOU DO, IT'S JUST SPEAK.
YOU CAN RAISE YOUR HAND OR PUT IT IN THE CHAT AND WE WILL ACKNOWLEDGE YOU AND MAKE SURE YOU'RE HEARD.
AND MR. BAEZ, WERE THERE ANY OTHER CHAT OR QUESTIONS THAT WERE POSTED THAT WE SHOULD ANSWER? UH, NO.
I DO NOT SEE ANY MORE HANDS RAISED, SO I WILL GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
IF I CAN GET A SECOND ON THAT MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER SERCO SECOND BY COMMISSIONER.
THIS MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
SO THIS ITEM IS NOT MOVING ON TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
ANYONE WHO WISHES TO APPEAL THE DECISION MADE BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION TONIGHT, THEY SHOULD DO SO BY SUBMITTING AN APPEAL WITH THE FILING OF THE FORM, PHI LIEN, FILING OF THE FORM AND PAYMENT OF A FILING FEE NO LATER THAN 5:00 PM.
MONDAY, DECEMBER 14TH, 2020 AT THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE.
I BELIEVE WE STILL NEED TO VOTE ON THE ACTUAL COP.
WE CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING, BUT WE DID NOT MAKE A MOTION ON THE CB GETTING AHEAD OF MYSELF HERE.
I'D LIKE TO MOVE TO ADOPT THE CUP.
I THINK THAT THE, UM, GOING FROM OFFICE FROM ASSEMBLY TO OFFICE PROFESSIONAL FROM 64 TO 110, UH, PARKING SPOTS, 64 REQUIRED TO 110, I THINK STAFF HAS DONE A GREAT JOB.
I WOULD JUST LIKE TO, UH, MOVE TO ADOPT THE RESOLUTION AND THE CUP.
I THINK IT'S 2020 ZERO, ZERO ZERO EIGHT SUBJECT CONDITIONS.
BUT I'D LIKE TO ADD THE CONDITION OF, UM, THE TIMING OF THE, UH, DISTRIBUTION TO NOT BE WITHIN THE SCHOOL HOURS WHO HAVE A COMMENT BEFORE WE VOTE.
ALL RIGHT, MR.
HOWEVER, I LIKE TO ADD ONE OF MY OWN, OR LIKE, TO BE ABLE TO REVISIT THIS IN SIX MONTHS AND THE REASONING BEHIND MY REVISITING IS IF THERE IS PROBLEMS QUEUING OUT IN THE STREET OR WILL THROWING TRASH OUT IN THE STREET OR THE NEIGHBORHOOD LIKE TO SEE IF THAT ACTUALLY HAPPENS OR NOT.
SO IT GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW IT THERE FROM THE CUP OR A COMPLETELY REJECTED.
I WOULD LIKE TO ADD THAT CONDITION AS WELL.
I WOULD LIKE TO AMEND MY, UH, UH, THE RESOLUTION TO INCLUDE MR.
SO TELL THESE A RECOMMENDATION.
THAT'D BE SET ON A SECOND COMMISSIONER JUST REALLY QUICK, YOU KNOW, CAUSE THE PARKING LOT IS RATHER LARGE, BUT IF THEY ARE HAVING THE FOOD PANTRY, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY DO THE HANDOUT IN A WAY THAT THE BEST USE OF THE PARKING LOT.
SO IT DOESN'T GO OUT IN THE STREET
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BECAUSE THERE IS A LOT OF CARS ON THE STREET.AND IF IT DOES BACK UP INTO THE STREET, I THINK IT WILL CAUSE CONGESTION.
AND THERE IS A BUS STOP, I THINK, RIGHT ACROSS THE WAY I THINK IT WAS ON MADISON.
SO IF THERE IS, I JUST DON'T WANT IT TO BECOME A BIG, LONG LINE OF CARS THAT GOES OUT INTO THE STREET.
YOU KNOW, I KNOW IT'S, IT'S HARD TO CONFINE IT TO THAT, BUT I KNOW WITH THE, THE PARKING LOT, THE WAY THAT IT IS, THEY CAN MAYBE DO USE THE BEST USE OF THE PARKING LOT TO GET PEOPLE THROUGH THERE IN A TIMELY FASHION, WITHOUT BACKING UP INTO TRAFFIC AND INTO THE STREETS.
SO WHAT I'M GATHERING AND I DON'T KNOW IF MS. ROSE AGREES WITH, UH, MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS ON THIS, BUT, UH, WE'VE GOT TWO MAIN CONCERNS.
ONE IS THE PARKING, ESPECIALLY AROUND FOOD DISTRIBUTION TIME.
AND THE OTHER ONE IS, WELL, I GUESS THE TWO, OUR FOOD DISTRIBUTION AND THE PARKING ON THE STREET.
SO I'M FOR PUTTING IN REVIEW IN SIX MONTHS AND SEEING HOW THINGS GO.
PATEL HAS A GOOD PLAN AND WITH THE EXTRA SPACE THAT THEY HAVE, THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO MAKE GOOD DECISIONS UTILIZING THAT SPACE FOR BOTH THE PATIENTS, THE STAFF AND THE OCCASIONAL FOOD DISTRIBUTION.
SO LET'S, LET'S, UH, ADD A REVISIT IN SIX MONTHS.
I'LL I AGREE WITH THAT AND LET DR WORK ON THE DETAILS OF THE FOOD DISTRIBUTION WITH THE COMMUNITY.
UM, I DON'T THINK THAT SCHOOL HOURS ARE NECESSARILY THE BEST, UH, TO LIMIT THEM WITH IT'S THE SCHOOL DROP-OFF AND PICK UP HOURS THAT ARE THE PROBLEMS MID DAY.
IT'S THE, UH, SCHOOL RUSHES AND THE WORK RUSSIA'S IS EVERYONE AMENABLE TO THAT? YES, ABSOLUTELY.
AND IF WE FIND IN SIX MONTHS THAT THERE ARE PROBLEMS WITH FOOD DISTRIBUTION, THEN WE CAN REVISIT THAT ISSUE SPECIFICALLY.
EXCUSE ME, COMMISSIONER SERCO MAYBE, PLEASE HAVE THE MOTION RESTATED WITH THE NEW, ADDITIONAL.
OR YOU WOULD LIKE ME TO DO RE RESTATE IT IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO RESTATE IT.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE TO ADOPT THE NEXT RESOLUTION IN AN ORDER APPROVING PROVOST EXEMPTION AND C U P TO 2020 ZERO ZERO ZERO EIGHT, SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS, INCLUDING THE CONDITION OF THE TIMING OF THE FOOD DISTRIBUTION TO BE AROUND SCHOOL, DROP OFF AND PICK UP NOT WITHIN THOSE HOURS AND TO BE REVISITED WITHIN SIX MONTHS.
CABERA SECOND BY COMMISSIONER.
SO TLA MR. VIAS ROLL VOTE PLEASE.
SO TAYLOR, THESE RESOLUTIONS PASSED UNANIMOUSLY.
NOW I'LL REVISIT MY COMMENT ABOUT THIS ACTION IS FINAL UNLESS APPEALED WITH THE FILING FORM AND PAYMENT OF A FILING FEE NO LATER THAN 5:00 PM.
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NUMBER THREE.THIS IS THE BUSINESS AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT POST COVID.
SO IT IS EXEMPT FROM SEEQUA AND STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT WE PROVIDE INPUT.
UM, SO THE ITEM BEFORE YOU TODAY, AS MENTIONED AS AN INFORMATIONAL ITEM, GO AHEAD TO THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE, SPENCER.
AND, UM, THIS IS REALLY COMING ABOUT, AS WE RECOGNIZE THE MORE LONG-TERM NEED FOR ASSISTANCE TO BUSINESSES, UM, AND FURTHER MEASURES TO ENCOURAGE NO INVESTMENT IN ALCOHOL.
WE KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, BUSINESSES HAVE BEEN DEVASTATED BY THE RESTRICTIONS, UM, CAUSED BY THE COVID PANDEMIC.
AND WHILE THE CITY HAS BEEN ABLE TO PARTICIPATE WITH SOME SHORT-TERM FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE IN TERMS OF THE CARES ACT DISTRIBUTION, WHICH WAS DIRECT FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE TO SMALL BUSINESS.
UM, AND THERE'VE BEEN SOME TEMPORARY MEASURES THAT HAVE BEEN PUT IN PLACE AS WELL, UM, TO ALLOW BUSINESSES TO MOVE THEIR OPERATIONS OUTDOORS, UM, WITH
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NO FEE TEMPORARY USE PERMITS, UM, UH, RELAXATION AND AROUND SIDEWALK DINING, UM, THAT THERE'S REALLY A NEED TO THINK ON A MORE LONG-TERM BASIS IN TERMS OF RECOVERY, HOW WE CAN REALLY FOSTER A BUSINESS ENVIRONMENT IN ALCOHOL, THAT'S SUPPORTIVE OF OUR EXISTING BUSINESSES AND FOSTERS NEW IN BUSINESS AND ENCOURAGES NEW INVESTMENT, NEXT SLIDE.SO WE BRING STORMED, UM, AND CAME UP WITH SEVERAL IDEAS AND THESE ARE REALLY JUST IDEAS AT THIS POINT.
UM, WE, HAVEN'T GONE INTO DETAIL INTO RESEARCH.
THE IDEA IS THAT WE, UM, ARE GETTING YOUR INPUT ON WHETHER OR NOT YOU THINK ANY OF THESE IDEAS HAVE MERIT AT THIS POINT.
UM, AND IF SO, THEN WE WOULD RETURN TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION IN JANUARY WITH A RESOLUTION OF INTENT TO AMEND THE ZONING CODE.
MANY OF THESE MEASURES WOULD REQUIRE A CHANGE TO OUR ZONING REGULATIONS IN ORDER TO IMPLEMENT THEM.
SO I WILL GO THROUGH THEM BRIEFLY.
UM, BUT I'LL PROBABLY PAUSE MAYBE AT THE END OF THIS SLIDE TO GET INPUT AND THEN PAUSE AT THE END OF THE NEXT SLIDE.
UM, JUST SO YOU CAN KIND OF HAVE THEM FRESH IN YOUR MIND.
UH, THE FIRST ONE THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED IS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR SOME OUTDOOR MERCHANDISE DISPLAY.
UM, IT'S NOT REALLY PERMITTED IN ALCOHOL WITH A FEW MINOR EXCEPTIONS.
UM, AND WE THINK THERE COULD BE SOME OPTIONS FOR BUSINESSES SUCH AS A CLOTHING STORE TO MAYBE HAVE A RACK OF CLOTHING DISPLAYED, YOU KNOW, NEAR THE FRONT OF THEIR STORE, UM, IN A WAY THAT, YOU KNOW, MINIMIZES ANY IMPACTS ON THE, THE ADJACENT AREA, BUT ALSO GIVES THEM MORE VISIBILITY, COULD POSSIBLY BOOST SALES, EXCUSE ME.
THE NEXT ITEM THAT WE'RE CONSIDERING IS IN AND AROUND FOOD TRUCKS AND FOOD STALLS.
UM, IF YOU'RE CALLED THE PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVED, UM, SOME STANDARDS AND PERMITTING BACK IN, I BELIEVE 2015 TO ALLOW FOR FOOD TRUCKS WITH A PERMIT AND ADMINISTRATIVE ZONING PERMIT, THIS ONLY ALLOWED FOR FOOD TRUCKS THAT OPERATE AT ONE SPECIFIC LOCATION.
SO TO DATE, WE'VE ONLY HAD ONE OF THESE PERMITS APPROVED, UM, WHICH I THINK SHOWS THAT, THAT IT'S NOT REALLY A VIABLE OPTION FOR FOOD TRUCKS TO OPERATE IN THAT WAY.
SO WE THINK MAYBE INSTEAD OF A PERMIT PROCESS, JUST COMING UP WITH SOME STANDARDS, UM, TO ALLOW FOR THEM TO OPERATE IN LOCATIONS WHERE THERE'S BIG ENOUGH PARKING LOTS, UM, THAT THEY CAN DO SO ON A MORE FLEXIBLE BASIS, UM, MIGHT BE A GOOD OPPORTUNITY.
THE NEXT ONE, A CONSIDERATION OF EXPANDING WHAT'S ALLOWED UNDER A HOME OCCUPATION BUSINESS.
SO RIGHT NOW, IF YOU HAVE A HOME OCCUPATION BUSINESS IN OKLAHOMA, YOU CAN HAVE IT OFFICE.
UM, YOU CAN'T HAVE ANY EMPLOYEES COME TO YOUR HOUSE OR ANY CUSTOMERS COME TO YOUR HOUSE.
UM, YOU'RE ALSO VERY LIMITED IN TERMS OF ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU CAN STORE AT YOUR HOME.
UM, WHEN WE WERE WORKING ON THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN, ONE OF THE MEASURES THAT ACTUALLY CAME OUT ABOUT OF THAT WAS HOW DO WE LOCATE PEOPLE'S HOMES AND THEIR, UM, BUSINESS SERVICES OR THEIR EMPLOYMENT CLOSER TOGETHER TO REDUCE THE DISTANCE PEOPLE NEED TO TRAVEL.
AND SO WE CAN TALK ABOUT HERE ABOUT MAYBE ALLOWING FOR SOME LIMITATION OR LIMITED EMPLOYEES AND CUSTOMERS TO ACCESS, YOU KNOW, BUSINESS SERVICES AT SOMEBODY'S HOME BUSINESS LOCATION.
UM, FOR INSTANCE, AN ACCOUNTANT COULD HAVE MAYBE, YOU KNOW, A CERTAIN NUMBER OF CUSTOMERS PER DAY COME TO THEIR HOME TO, TO RECEIVE THE SERVICES.
THE NEXT ITEM IS AROUND PARKING.
SO RIGHT NOW IN OKLAHOMA, IF YOU HAVE AN EXISTING COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL BUILDING AND A NEW BUSINESS WANTS TO COME IN AND LOCATE THERE, IF THAT'S A DIFFERENT TYPE OF BUSINESS THAN THE ONE THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY THERE, IT COULD TRIGGER A NEW PARKING REQUIREMENT.
UM, BUT BECAUSE THE SITE'S ALREADY BUILT THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADD ANY ADDITIONAL PARKING IS, IS OFTEN FAIRLY LIMITED.
UM, SO THAT REALLY CONSTRAINS PROPERTY OWNERS AND BUSINESSES WHEN THEY'RE LOCATING IN SOME OF THESE EXISTING BUILDINGS, BECAUSE THEY MAY NOT BE ABLE TO ACHIEVE THAT NEW PARKING REQUIREMENT.
UM, SO THE THOUGHT THERE WOULD BE TO ALLOW FOR THESE BUILDINGS TO BE REUSED WITH PERMITTED USES WITHOUT NEEDING TO REPEAT THE PARKING.
SO I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GOOD OPPORTUNITY FOR ME MAYBE TO PAUSE AND GET SOME INITIAL FEEDBACK IF THAT WORKS FOR, UM, NEW CHAIRMAN CIRCLE.
AND WHY DON'T WE TAKE THEM ONE AT A TIME AND SEE WHAT FEEDBACK THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE ON EACH LAYER? UM, THAT OUTDOOR MERCHANDISE DISPLAYS, FOR EXAMPLE, UM, THE FIRST THING THAT COMES TO MY MIND IS THAT WE'VE GOT SOME WIDE SIDEWALKS AND VERY BROAD SIDEWALKS AND DOWNTOWN OUTCOME WHERE THIS WOULDN'T HAVE ANY IMPACT AT ALL.
I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA, AND WE MIGHT JUST NEED TO WATCH WHERE THE SIDEWALKS ARE NARROWER ON WHAT IS ALLOWED OUTSIDE, BUT THAT WOULD ALL BE PART OF THE ZONING PLAN.
UPDATE IS FIGURING OUT THE SPECIFIC LANGUAGE
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OF THE SIDEWALK IS 10 FEET WIDE.YOU CAN HAVE A DISPLAY OF X FEET OUT OF YOUR STORE.
THE SIDEWALK IS FOUR FEET WIDE.
YOU HAVE A DISPLAY OF ONE FOOT OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT.
WHAT DO MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS THINK ABOUT OUTDOOR MERCHANDISE, MR. KIBERA? I LIKE THE, UH, ALL OF THESE ITEMS OUT OF THINKING AS FAR AS THE OUTSIDE MERCHANDISE DISPLAY.
I THINK, UM, LAMESA KIND OF HAS SOMETHING THAT WOULD MAYBE WANT TO LOOK AT WHERE IT'S ALLOWABLE, AS LONG AS YOU KEEP THE THREE-FOOT CORRIDOR FOR ADA ACCESSIBILITY.
UM, THAT MIGHT BE ONE WAY TO APPROACH IT.
THE OTHER WAY WOULD BE, UM, THE OTHER, THE OTHER ITEM THAT I'D LIKE TO SEE INCLUDED IN THAT IS SIGNAGE.
I'D LIKE TO SEE, UM, REDUCED RESTRICTIONS OR, OR NECESSARY PERMITS FOR TEMPORARY SIGNAGE THAT THEY MIGHT NEED TO DISPLAY THIS, TO ADVERTISE THESE DISPLAYS.
UM, OTHER THAN THAT, I, I THINK, UH, THAT'S ONLY MY ONLY COMMENT ON THE MERCHANDISE DISPLAY WELL, AND WITH THE SIGNAGE, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA JUST AS LONG AS IT ISN'T INTRUSIVE AND WALKWAYS FOR THE SAME REASONS B PRODUCT ISN'T, YOU KNOW, CAUSE SOMETIMES WE WILL HAVE THE PULL OUT SIGNS THAT THEY COULD PUT OUTSIDE, BUT YEAH, I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA.
ANY OTHER FEEDBACK ON THAT OUTDOOR MERCHANDISE COMMISSIONER? THAT'S A GREAT IDEA AS WELL.
I COME IN THE CITY FOR THINKING OUTSIDE THE BOX ON THAT.
I THINK THE BEST SOLUTIONS WILL GO BACK TO BUSINESSES AS IT WAS BEFORE.
HOWEVER, THAT DOES THE SECOND BEST SOLUTION THAT WE CAN COME UP WITH.
IT DOESN'T BECOME THE NUISANCE AND, AND ALSO DOESN'T BLOCK, UH, FOOT TRAFFIC OR LIKE STATE OF ADA COMPLIANT REGULARLY.
UH, LET'S MOVE ON TO FOOD TRUCKS AND FOOD STALLS.
UM, WHEN WE FIRST APPROVED THIS CHANGE TO THE ZONING ORDINANCE TO ALLOW FOR FOOD TRUCKS, WE MADE IT VERY, VERY TIGHT.
AND AT THE TIME I WAS DISSENTING IN THAT OPINION BECAUSE I KNOW FOOD TRUCKS LIVE GOING FROM ONE PLACE TO ANOTHER.
AND SO STREAMLINING SOME APPROVALS AND HAVING A STANDARDS, I THINK WE COULD EVEN GET TO THE POINT WHERE WE COULD MAYBE LOCATE SOME PARKING AREAS WHERE A FOOD TRUCK WOULD BE WELCOME AND HAVE THAT BE A FOOD TRUCK PARKING SPOT.
UM, IF WE COULD ADD THAT INTO THE ZONING ORDINANCE AND SAY, IF A FOOD TRUCK JUST SHOWS UP IN ALLENTOWN AND SAYS, HEY, WHERE CAN I GO? WE ALREADY HAVE SPOTS PICKED OUT.
THAT WOULD BE GOOD, BUT STANDARDS FOR WHEN SAY THIS RESTAURANT WANTS TO BRING IN SOMETHING FUN, EXTRA, OR A CHURCH WANTS TO HAVE FOOD TRUCKS OR AN EVENT IF WE EVER ARE ALLOWED TO EVENTS LIKE THAT AGAIN.
UM, BUT TO HAVE THAT, THEN WE WOULD HAVE FOOD TRUCKS QUALIFIED BY OUR STANDARDS TO OPERATE IN THE CITY WITH MORE FLEXIBILITY.
I THINK THAT IS FABULOUS AND WILL ALLOW FOR THE ENTREPRENEURS TO FLOURISH IN OUR CITY.
ANY, ANY FEEDBACK ON FOOD TRUCKS, YOU DO HAVE A CONCERN.
UM, RICHARD CHAIRMAN, UH, MY CONCERN IS, UH, WE GIVING TO, UH, EXISTING RESTAURANTS WHO HAVE A PERMANENT LOCATION WHERE THEY'RE STRUGGLING TO KEEP THEIR DOORS OPEN AND THEN HAVE FOOD TRUCKS COMPLETE AS WELL.
UH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THING, A, ANOTHER NAIL IN THE COFFIN, ME TO A CERTAIN RESTAURANTS, UNLESS THE RESTAURANTS ARE ALLOWED TO HAVE THEIR OWN FOOD TRUCK WHERE IT MIGHT KEEP THEM ALIVE AND GOING, DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M TRYING TO BRING ON HERE? ABSOLUTELY.
I'VE ACTUALLY SEEN A COUPLE OF RESTAURANTS THAT USED TO JUST BE HOLE IN THE WALL RESTAURANTS THAT CURRENTLY ARE DELIVERING FOOD BECAUSE THAT'S HOW THEY ARE ABLE TO STAY ALIVE.
SO THIS MIGHT CREATE SOME COMPETITION FOR EXISTING RESTAURANTS, OR IT MIGHT BE A WAY FOR EXISTING RESTAURANTS TO STAY ALIVE DURING ALL THE INCREASED RESTRICTIONS.
BUT I DON'T SEE IT BEING A HUMONGOUS PRESSURE ON EXISTING RESTAURANTS.
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A RESTAURANT THAT CANNOT SERVE PEOPLE INSIDE AND THERE'S A FOOD TRUCK AND PEOPLE OF COURSE WILL GO TO THE FOOD TRUCK.UH, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, YOU KNOW, UH, HARDNESS IN THE RESTAURANTS, BUSINESS AGENTS END UP IN TAXES, PROPERTY TAXES IN ORDER TO HAVE THAT BUSINESS GOING.
YOU DON'T THINK THAT WOULD BE A DILEMMA.
I THINK THAT SITUATION CAN BE EASILY RESOLVED WITHIN OUR STANDARDS BY MAKING IT SO THAT IF THERE'S AN EXISTING RESTAURANT, THEY WOULD BE THE ONES TO INVITE THE FOOD TRUCK.
IT WOULDN'T BE JUST A, HEY, HERE'S A SPOT.
YOU CAN GO RIGHT UP AGAINST THIS OTHER RESTAURANT.
I THINK THAT COULD BE ADDRESSED IN THE STANDARDS THAT ARE DEVELOPED FOR THE FOOD TRUCKS.
POSSIBLY A CERTAIN DISTANCE AWAY FROM THE RESTAURANT.
IF THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE COMPETING COMMISSIONER CABRERA.
I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONERS TO TOTALLY AS, UH, UH, ASSESSMENT OF THE SITUATION.
AND I THINK THAT, UH, MR. CIRCO HAS THE RIGHT IDEA.
SANTI HAS SOMETHING SIMILAR WHERE THEY HAVE, UH, UH, PRELIMINARY KIND OF DESIGNATED AREAS WHERE THE FOOD TRUCKS CAN GO DEPENDING ON WHICH PART OF THE CITY THAT THEY'RE IN.
UM, AND I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN KIND OF ANALYZE.
I THINK IT'S A, IT'S GREAT IDEA FROM THE STAFF TO BE LOOKING AT THIS AND WE CAN KIND OF FOLLOW A SIMILAR PATTERN SO THAT THEY'RE NOT RIGHT NEXT TO A RESTAURANT OR RIGHT NEXT TO A COMP SOMETHING COMPETITIVE AND, AND ALSO FREEING UP LIKE THE, A LOT OF TIMES THE BREWERIES ARE, OR OTHER RESTAURANTS, DO YOU WANT TO HAVE A LITTLE SOMETHING EXTRA AND THEY WANT TO BRING IT IN, UH, A FOOD TRUCK, UH, EASING THOSE REGULATIONS FOR THEM.
I'M MAKING IT A, SOME KIND OF STANDARD, I THINK IS A GREAT IDEA.
I THINK YOU'RE BOTH TALKING DOWN THE SAME PATH.
I THINK THE SOLUTION IS TO COME UP WITH, UH, A PATTERN AND, AND SOME, SOME, UH, AREAS THAT THEY CAN GO TO.
AND I THINK IT MIGHT SOLVE BOTH PROBLEMS AND HELP, HELP ALL OF THEM.
I LIKE WHERE THE STAFF IS GOING WITH THIS, I GUESS IS WHAT I'M SAYING.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS FOR FOOD TRACKS? ALL RIGHT.
MOVING RIGHT ALONG HOME, OCCUPATION, BUSINESSES, ANY COMMENTS ON THAT CURRENTLY DOES SOMEONE THAT OPERATES A BUSINESS OUT OF THEIR HOME? DO THEY NEED A BUSINESS LICENSE? YES, THEY DO.
AND THEN WHAT WOULD STIPULATIONS BE? HOW WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN A ACCOUNTANT WHO MIGHT HAVE, YOU KNOW, ONE OR TWO PEOPLE SHOW UP, YOU KNOW, TO GET THEIR TAX RETURNS DURING THE COURSE OF THE DAY, VERSUS MAYBE SOMEBODY WITH THREE EMPLOYEES AND, YOU KNOW, 20 OR 30 PEOPLE A DAY, BUT HOW, WHAT ARE YOUR, UH, IDEAS ON THAT? OR IS THIS JUST AS FAR AS YOU GUYS HAVE GOTTEN? WELL, WE ACTUALLY DID SOME RESEARCH LAST YEAR.
UH, WHEN THIS FIRST CAME UP AND KIND OF SURVEYED A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT JURISDICTIONS TO LOOK HOW THEY HANDLE IT.
SOME PUT A LIMITATION ON HOW MANY EMPLOYEES THEY MIGHT SAY YOU COULD HAVE ONE EMPLOYEE, AS LONG AS YOU HAVE AN OFF STREET PARKING SPACE FOR THEM.
UM, SOME ALSO HAVE KIND OF A TIERED SYSTEM.
SO YOU COULD HAVE YOUR BASIC HOME MOCK BUSINESS LICENSE, BUT IF YOU WANT TO HAVE EMPLOYEES, OR IF YOU WANT TO HAVE CUSTOMERS, THEN YOU'RE IN SORT OF A LOWER PERMIT PROCESS.
SO THAT, THAT CAN BE EVALUATED.
SO THE, UH, BUSINESS OCCUPATION IS THAT PRIMARILY OFFICE PROFESSIONAL.
I'M ASSUMING THERE'S A LIMITATION TO LIKE HAVING A CAR REPAIR SHOP IN YOUR HOUSE.
SO RIGHT NOW THE ONLY THING THAT YOU CAN HAVE IS A HOME OFFICE, UM, AND IT'S ALLOWED IN ALL OF OUR RESIDENTIAL ZONES.
UM, SO ALL OF YOU, OUR BUSINESS HAS TO BE, YOU KNOW, YOUR IN-PERSON BUSINESS HAS TO BE CONDUCTED OFF SITE.
UM, YOU CAN REALLY JUST HAVE, YOU KNOW, PHONE AND COMPUTER AND FILES AND THAT TYPE OF THING.
WE ACTUALLY HAD TO TALK TO OUR AT ONE POINT BECAUSE HE WAS RUNNING AN AUTO TUNING SHOP IN HIS GARAGE, WHICH FACED MY CHILDREN'S BEDROOMS. SO WE GOT REVVING ENGINES AND WE WENT OVER THERE AND SAID, THIS ISN'T INTO LOUD.
I FEEL YOUR PAIN PAIN TO CLARIFY WOULD BE ALLOWING THE HOME TO THIS WITHOUT ANY FOOT TRAFFIC.
IS THAT CORRECT? SO WE, WE CURRENTLY ALLOW WITH JUST A BUSINESS LICENSE, A HOME OFFICE WITH NO EMPLOYEES AND NO CUSTOMERS.
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ALLOWED.WE WOULD BE PROPOSING THAT WE CONSIDER, UM, EXPANDING OR RELAXING THAT TO ALLOW FOR SOME LIMITED EMPLOYEES OR LIMITED CUSTOMERS TO ACTUALLY COME TO SOMEBODY'S HOME.
UM, LIKE THE ACCOUNTANT EXAMPLE I GAVE CURRENTLY, IF YOU'RE AN ACCOUNTANT WITH A HOME OCCUPATION, BUSINESS LICENSE, IF YOU WANT TO MEET WITH A CLIENT, YOU HAVE TO GO TO A COFFEE SHOP OR, OR SOMEPLACE OFFSITE OR TO THEIR HOME.
UM, THIS WOULD MEET, YOU KNOW, ALLOW FOR SOMEONE TO HAVE SOME CLIENTS PERHAPS COME TO THEIR HOME TO RECEIVE SERVICES.
WELL, MUSIC TEACHER, DANCE STUDIO.
SO WE LOOK FORWARD TO REVIEWING THE LANGUAGE WHEN IT COMES UP, UH, COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL REUSE PARKING.
THIS ONE SEEMS VERY STRAIGHTFORWARD TO ME THAT WE'VE GOT TO BUILD OUT CITY FOR THE MOST PART, AND WE'VE GOT LARGE COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL BUILDINGS WITH LARGE PARKING LOTS, AND THE USES MAY BE DIFFERENT, BUT WE CAN'T EXPAND AND CONTRACT THE PARKING LOTS DEPENDING ON WHO'S IN THE YOUTH, IN THE BUILDING.
AND WITHIN REASON, I THINK THAT ALLOWING FOR A NEW BUSINESS TO OCCUPY A BUILDING, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE INDUSTRIAL OR COMMERCIAL, RATHER THAN THE OTHER, WITHOUT HAVING TO REEVALUATE THE PARKING LOT SITUATION AND GET THOSE NINE MORE PARKING SPACES MAY BE WORTHY OF OUR CONSIDERATION.
WHAT DO WE THINK? UM, I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH THAT.
AND I THINK THAT WE CAN BE FLEXIBLE AND PROVIDE MORE SERVICES TO OUR COMMUNITY AS WELL AS BUSINESS PEOPLE.
UM, SPENCER, I THOUGHT I SAW YOUR HAND GO UP.
A CLEANING CREW WAS COMING BY, SO, OH, ALL RIGHT.
UH, MELISSA, WE'LL KEEP GOING.
THEN WE JUST HAVE ONE MORE SLIDE WITH, UM, THAT, CAN YOU GO BACK ONE MORE? THERE YOU GO.
SO THIS ONE'S MORE FOCUSED ON, UM, ENCOURAGING INVESTMENT IN THE CITY.
SO THESE WOULD BE MORE TOWARDS NEW PROJECTS OR, UM, REUSE PROJECTS.
SO THE FIRST ONE REALLY HAS COME ABOUT BECAUSE WE HAVE NOW MOSTLY INFILL PROJECTS, SITES ARE CONSTRAINED.
UM, AND PEOPLE COME IN WITH IDEAS FOR PROJECTS WHERE MAYBE THEY CAN'T QUITE MEET A SPECIFIC DEVELOPMENT STANDARD.
LIKE THEY CAN'T, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE SHORT A COUPLE OF PARKING SPACES OR MAYBE A LOT COVERAGE.
THEY CAN'T QUITE MEET LOT COVERAGE AND STILL DO THE PROJECT THEY WANT TO DO.
AND OFTENTIMES SOME OF THESE PROJECTS REALLY DO HAVE MERIT, BUT AT THAT POINT WE DON'T REALLY HAVE A MECHANISM TO ALLOW FOR THEM TO MOVE FORWARD FOR CONSIDERATION.
SO WHAT WE'D BE PROPOSING HERE IS THAT WE HAVE PERHAPS AT A STAFF LEVEL AND PERHAPS AT A PLANNING COMMISSION LEVEL OR PROCESS WHEREBY AN APPLICANT COULD BRING FORWARD A PROJECT THAT DEVIATES FROM OUR DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, UM, PROVIDED THAT THEY NEED, YOU KNOW, CERTAIN FINDINGS.
AND CAN YOU CLARIFY THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THIS AND THE VARIANTS? SURE.
SO A VARIANCE, UM, UH, WITH A VARIANCE, A PROJECT ESSENTIALLY HAS TO HAVE SOME SORT OF UNIQUE CIRCUMSTANCE THAT PREVENTS THEM FROM COMPLYING WITH THAT STANDARD.
UM, AN EXAMPLE I USUALLY GIVE IS A PROPERTY THAT'S ON A HILLSIDE.
UM, AND THEY CAN'T, YOU KNOW, THEY ARE BUILDING A HOUSE, BUT THEY CAN'T MEET THE FRONT YARD SETBACK OR ELSE THEY WOULD HAVE TO SHIFT THE HOUSE TOWARDS THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY WHERE THE STEEP HILLSIDE IS.
SO IN THAT CASE, THERE'S A PARTICULAR SPECIFIC CIRCUMSTANCES, YOU KNOW, THAT MAKES THEM ELIGIBLE FOR A VARIANCE.
UM, INSTEAD OF HAVING HARDSHIP FINDINGS, LIKE A VARIANCE, UM, THIS DEVIATION PROCESS WOULD INSTEAD HAVE, UM, FINDINGS THAT RELATE MORE TOWARDS THIS BEING, YOU KNOW, UH, UH, BENEFIT TO THE CITY.
UM, SO THEY'RE REQUESTING MAYBE A DEVIATION FROM LOT COVERAGE, BUT THEY'RE ABLE TO MAYBE BUILD A COUPLE OF EXTRA UNITS OR THEY'RE ABLE TO PROVIDE, YOU KNOW, UH, HOUSING FOR LARGER FAMILIES, YOU KNOW, THREE OR FOUR BEDROOM UNITS, OR MAYBE THEY'RE ABLE TO, UM, YOU KNOW, DO SOMETHING ELSE THAT'S, YOU KNOW, UNIQUE AND CREATIVE, UM, AND STILL MEETING THE INTENT OBVIOUSLY OF, YOU KNOW, THE ZONE IN THE ZONING CODE.
ANY COMMENTS ON A DEVIATION PROCESS? I THINK THAT'S A FANTASTIC IDEA FOR BUSINESSES.
WE'VE SEEN A FEW BUSINESSES COME
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FORWARD WITH A BUSINESS MODEL THAT IS 98% IN COMPLIANCE, BUT CAN'T GET THAT LAST 2% AND WE'VE HAD TO TURN THEM DOWN BECAUSE IT DOESN'T FIT.IT'S JUST NOT QUITE, AND IT'S NOT THAT WE DON'T WANT IT.
IT'S THAT WE'VE GOT A LOT TO UPHOLD.
I THINK THIS PROCESS WOULD ALLOW FOR THOSE PROJECTS, IT'S A SHOE HORN, SO TO SPEAK, TO GET IT, TO SQUEEZE INTO THE LAW COMMISSIONER, CORRECT.
I BELIEVE THE DEVIATION OF THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS FOR SOMETHING CREATIVE IS WHAT WE'RE ALL HERE FOR.
HONESTLY, I THINK IT'S A BEAUTIFUL IDEA.
AND I WOULD ONLY SAY THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT ALSO WORDED WHERE, UM, THE, UH, PLANNING ADMINISTRATION ACTUALLY HAS THE ABILITY TO MAKE QUICK DECISIONS ON IT, RATHER THAN HAVING TO GO THROUGH A FULL CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT OR SOMETHING.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, UH, THE, UH, PLANNING DEPARTMENT BE ABLE TO MAKE A DECISION ADMINISTRATIVELY AND GIVE THEM THAT POWER BECAUSE, UM, THEY KNOW THE REGULATIONS VERY WELL, AND THEY KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS CREATIVE DEVIATION WILL BE SOMETHING THAT THEY CAN POSITIVELY SUPPORT, LIKE THEY'LL PROBABLY KNOW RIGHT AWAY.
SO I WOULD JUST TRY TO EMPOWER THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE TO THE PLANNING GROUP.
I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
WE'VE SEEN A LOT OF GOOD WITH THE, UM, SCRS AND MINOR AMENDMENTS WHERE WE HAVE REVIEW EVERY SIX MONTHS ON THE PROJECTS THAT THEY'VE APPROVED THROUGH THOSE PROCESSES.
AND MAYBE SOMETHING SIMILAR WOULD HAPPEN WITH THIS, WHERE WE JUST SEE WHAT HAS BEEN DONE UNDER THE DEVIATION PROCESS.
AND THEN WE CAN REVIEW SOME IF THERE'S SOME DIFFICULTIES OR IF THERE'S SOME CHALLENGES, THE STAFF CAN POP THAT UP TO OUR LEVEL, BUT ON THE WHOLE, IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE ADMINISTRATIVE SAID, IT GETS ANSWERED.
AND THAT BUSINESS HAS AN ANSWER WHEN THEY LEAVE RATHER THAN WELL, WE'LL SCHEDULE IT FOR THE NEXT PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING IN A MONTH.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM COMMISSIONERS? I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA JUST BECAUSE IN THIS ENVIRONMENT WE'RE IN RIGHT NOW, WHEN THAT MONTH MIGHT COST THE BUSINESS IT'S BUSINESS.
SO, YOU KNOW, IF PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO BE CREATIVE WITH THEIR BUSINESS, I THINK, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE A GOOD WAY TO KIND OF HELP THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX TO HELP PEOPLE THRIVE IN THE CURRENT STATE WE'RE IN.
UM, THE NEXT ONE THAT WE'RE CONSIDERING IS TO ALLOW FOR MORE PROJECTS TO GO THROUGH THE SCR AND THE MINOR AMENDMENT PROCESS.
SO RIGHT NOW WE HAVE SOME SCREENING CRITERIA FOR INSTANCE, UM, LIMIT THE EDITION SIZE THAT YOU CAN DO UNDER A MINOR AMENDMENT TO 10% OF THE EXISTING BUILDING.
UM, SO WE THINK THAT THERE MIGHT BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO EXPAND THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE.
SO WE'D LIKE TO BRING THAT BACK BEFORE YOU, AND THEN, UM, THE NEXT ONE IS TO TAKE A LOOK AT OUR COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL LAND USE TABLES IN OUR ZONING CODE.
AND FOR THOSE USES THAT REQUIRE PERMITS TO SEE IF THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES MAYBE TO REDUCE THOSE PERMIT LEVELS DOWN, UM, OR EVEN MAYBE PROPOSE, MAYBE ELIMINATING SOME, UM, USE PERMIT REQUIREMENTS IF APPROPRIATE.
UM, SO THAT WOULD JUST BE A REVIEW THAT WE WOULD DO AND THEN BRING FORWARD ANYTHING THAT, THAT WE THINK, UM, POTENTIALLY SHOULD BE LOOKED AT.
SO CLARIFYING THAT, THAT WOULD MEAN TAKING THE PERMIT PROCESS OFF AND ALLOWING THEM BY.
POTENTIALLY FOR SOME INSTANCES, YEAH.
WE'VE DONE THIS IN THE PAST, UM, WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE RECONSIDERED A PARTICULAR USE AND CHANGED IT.
UM, I THINK ONE OF THE ONES THAT WE'VE RECENTLY DONE HAS BEEN IN AROUND ON SALE ALCOHOL, UM, AND WE'VE KIND OF TESTED OUT, UM, USING THE MINOR USE PERMIT PROCESS, WHICH IS ADMINISTRATIVELY, UM, APPROVED VERSUS A PLANNING COMMISSION DECISION.
AND I THINK THAT'S WORKED OUT REALLY WELL, SO WE CAN SEE WHERE ELSE WE MIGHT APPLY THAT.
I'D LIKE TO ENCOURAGE THE, UH, EVALUATION OF THE USE, UH, MIXED USE, UH, THE USE PERMITS, BUT ALSO ENCOURAGE THE POSSIBILITY OF ADDITIONAL, UH, MIXED USES, UH, CONSIDERING THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO
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THAT IN A DOWNTOWN AREA AND OTHER AREAS THAT JUST KIND OF OPEN OUR MINDS A LITTLE BIT, AND ALSO NOT JUST HAVE THE EVALUATION OF A DIFFERENT USE, BUT ACTUALLY A MIXED USE.SO THEN THE NEXT ITEM WOULD BE TO ACTUALLY CONSIDER, UM, ALLOWING FOR SOME EX EXPANDED USES WITHIN OUR COMMERCIAL ZONES.
SO RIGHT NOW, UM, YOU KNOW, PRE COVID, WE KNEW THAT WE HAD SOME ACCESS COMMERCIAL SPACE IN THE ELCA HOME.
UM, AND WE KNOW THAT PROBABLY WHEN THE DUST SETTLES AFTER THE PANDEMIC HAS WANED, WE WILL HAVE EVEN MORE COMMERCIAL SPACE.
UM, AND SO WE'RE ANTICIPATING THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE VACANT STOREFRONTS AND VACANT COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS.
AND WE KNOW THAT WE ALSO HAVE HAD A FAIRLY HIGH DEMAND FOR INDUSTRIAL SPACE AND ALCOHOL.
WE HAVE A FAIRLY LARGE INDUSTRIAL CENTER.
SO THE IDEA HERE WOULD BE TO LOOK AT WHETHER OR NOT WE COULD ALLOW FOR SOME LIGHT MANUFACTURING IN SOME OF OUR COMMERCIAL ZONES, LIKE OUR REGIONAL COMMERCIAL ZONE, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, SEPARATE AWAY FROM RESIDENTIAL USES.
UM, AND THEN SECONDARILY, COULD WE ALLOW FOR MAYBE THE REUSE OF COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS THAT ARE MORE IN A RESIDENTIAL AREAS, UM, TO BE REPURPOSED TO, UH, RESIDENTIAL UNITS.
SO THAT WOULD BE MORE LIKE IN OUR OFFICE PROFESSIONAL AND NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIALS ZONE.
HOW DO WE ADAPTIVELY, REUSE MAYBE SOME OF THESE EXCESS COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS SO THAT, SO THAT THEY'RE USED IN A POSITIVE MANNER, UDAB BECOME LIGHT.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THE ADAPTIVE FOR USE AGAIN, I'D LIKE TO SEE THE ADAPTIVE REUSE.
I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA ON A CASE-BY-CASE BASIS, BUT I LIKE TO SEE THE ADAPTIVE REUSE ALSO BE ABLE TO MAYBE ALSO BE A MIXED USE KIND OF A THING.
SO LET'S SAY THAT THEY'RE CHANGING SOME OF THE OFFICES UPSTAIRS TO A CURATORS UNIT AND THEN DOWNSTAIRS, IT'S STILL COMMERCIAL RATHER THAN THE WHOLE THING.
LIKEWISE, I AGREE TO THAT COMMENT.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THIS LAST SLIDE? OKAY.
UM, SO THE NEXT SLIDE, UH, BASICALLY WE DON'T NEED ANY ACTION TAKEN TONIGHT.
I'M GOING TO TAKE ALL OF THE FEEDBACK THAT YOU PROVIDED TO ME, AND WE'LL BE COMING BACK, UM, TO YOU IN JANUARY WITH A RESOLUTION OF INTENT.
UM, HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE DESCRIPTION OF EACH OF THESE FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION AT THAT TIME.
SO THAT CONCLUDES THIS ITEM AND MR. CHAIR, MR. CHAIR, WE DID RECEIVE A CHAT COMMENT AND IT RELATES TO THE FOOD TRUCKS.
IT'S FROM AARON MELLOWS, ZOL MALONE Z.
AND HE SAYS, I SUPPORT RELAXING REQUIREMENTS ON FOOD TRUCKS IN THE CITY.
I AGREE WITH THE CHAIR'S POINT THAT FOOD TRUCKS THRIVE ON THE ABILITY TO BE FLEXIBLE IN QUARTER, THEY POST UP AND SERVE PEOPLE.
THANK YOU, MR. BAEZ, AND THANK YOU TO, UH, OOPS, MY WINDOW JUST CHANGED.
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ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR, WHICH IS A WORKSHOP ON THE HOUSING ELEMENT UPDATE.IT IS AN INFORMATIONAL REPORT.
IT IS NOT SUBJECT TO A SECRET AND STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT IT IS INFORMATIONAL ONLY STAFF.
WE'RE GETTING THE POWERPOINT UP HERE.
UM, SO THIS IS JUST A WORKSHOP ITEM.
WE WANTED TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON WHERE WE WITH THE HOUSING ELEMENT.
WE STARTED THE UPDATE PROCESS AND YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, SPENCER BACK IN APRIL OF THIS YEAR.
UM, AND WE HAVE A CONSULTANT THAT'S HELPING WITH US GATHERING DATA, UM, AND HELPING TO DRAFT THE ELEMENT.
AND THEN STAFF HAS BEEN FOCUSED ON PUBLIC OUTREACH.
UM, CAN YOU GO BACK ONE MORE PLEASE? THANK YOU.
UM, AND SO W WHERE WE ARE NOW IS WE'RE AT THE POINT WE WENT TO GET SOME PRELIMINARY INPUT ON THE HOUSING SITES.
AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE PRESENTING TO YOU TODAY.
THE HOUSING ELEMENT WAS LAST UPDATED IN 2013.
IT IS UPDATED EVERY EIGHT YEARS PER STATE LAW.
AND SOME OF THE COMPONENTS OF THE HOUSING ELEMENT INCLUDE AN ANALYSIS OF THE HOUSING NEEDS.
SO WHAT TYPE OF HOUSING IS NEEDED BY CERTAIN POPULATIONS IN THE CITY? UM, WE ALSO LOOK AT CONSTRAINTS OR BARRIERS
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TO HOUSING, AND THESE CAN BE THINGS LIKE GOVERNMENTAL CONSTRAINTS, UM, OR OTHER POTENTIAL CONSTRAINTS TO HOUSING.AND IT INCLUDES A SITE'S INVENTORY.
AND THAT IS AN EXHAUSTIVE LIST OF SITES THAT CAN, UM, DEVELOP WITH HOUSING OVER THE NEXT EIGHT YEARS.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'LL BE FOCUSED ON LOOKING AT TODAY.
AND THE LAST BIG COMPONENT IS THE PROGRAMS, AND THOSE ARE PROGRAMS THAT ARE INTENDED TO, UM, FACILITATE NEW HOUSING OR, UM, ADDRESS THE HOUSING NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY.
SO IN OUR PUBLIC OUTREACH, WE'VE DONE THREE VIRTUAL MEETINGS, AS WELL AS, UM, WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH STAKEHOLDER GROUPS, SUCH AS THE EL CAJON COLLABORATIVE AND THE EAST COUNTY HOMELESS TASK FORCE.
AND WE'VE ALSO HAD A SURVEY UP ON OUR, UM, PROJECT WEBPAGE AND OUR STORY MAP, AND WHAT'S REALLY COME OUT IS KIND OF THE MAJOR ISSUES IS OUR CONCERNS, AS YOU WOULD EXPECT ABOUT AFFORDABILITY, THE SUPPLY OF NEW HOUSING, AS WELL AS IN AND AROUND HOUSING SECURITY AND STABILITY.
SO THE CONCERN THAT THERE'S FAMILIES AT RISK OF LOSING HOUSING, UM, AND THAT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE TAKEN CARE OF.
THERE'S ALSO BEEN SOME CONCERNS EXPRESSED ABOUT POOR CONDITION OF HOUSING AND, AND NEED FOR SOME OF OUR AGING HOUSING TO BE UPDATED, YOU KNOW, WITH ELECTRICAL AND PLUMBING IMPROVEMENTS.
UM, THE SURVEY DID INDICATE THAT THERE, THERE APPEARS TO BE SUPPORT FOR DIFFERENT TYPES OF HOUSING FOR DIFFERENT SEGMENTS OF OUR POPULATION, RIGHT.
YOU KNOW, FROM AFFORDABLE HOUSING, FOR LOWER INCOME FAMILIES, TO SENIOR HOUSING, ALL THE WAY TO HOUSING THAT'S, UM, INTENDED TO PROVIDE A STEP UP FROM, UM, HOMELESSNESS FOR INDIVIDUALS THAT CAN BE EMERGENCY HOUSING OR TRANSITIONAL AND SUPPORTIVE HOUSING.
SO OUR LAST ELEMENT, WE HAD A REGIONAL HOUSING NEEDS, ALLOCATION, OR RENA AS IT'S KNOWN OF 5,805 UNITS, UM, WHICH WAS A VERY LARGE ALLOCATION.
UM, LAST TIME WAS THE LARGEST ONE BY FAR THAT WE'D EVER RECEIVED.
AND, UM, JUST ABOUT TO DATE, ALTHOUGH WE DON'T HAVE THE NUMBERS FOR 2020 YET WE HAD ABOUT 702 NEW UNITS BUILT OVER THAT TIME.
SO THERE'S OBVIOUSLY A VERY LARGE GAP BETWEEN THE HOUSING NEED AND WHERE HOUSING IS BEING PRODUCED, UM, WHICH IS NOT, UM, UNIQUE TO ALCOHOL.
I THINK THERE'S ONLY ONE OR TEACHER ADDICTIONS THAT HAVE BUILT THEIR RENA IN CALIFORNIA.
UM, AND SO THAT'S PART OF THE REASON THAT THERE'S THIS FOCUS ON HOUSING AND THE HOUSING ELEMENT TO SEE WHAT WE CAN DO TO HELP BRING UP THOSE NUMBERS.
IN OUR LAST HOUSING ELEMENT, WE ALSO HAD PROGRAMS FOCUSED ON PROVIDING FIRST TIME HOME BUYER ASSISTANCE TO THE HOME PROGRAM, FUNDING, FAIR HOUSING SERVICES THROUGH CSA, AND ALSO SOME HOUSING REHABILITATION PROGRAMS LIKE OUR SINGLE FAMILY AND MOBILE HOME REHAB PROGRAMS. AND THOSE PROGRAMS, UM, ARE STILL ONGOING TODAY, RIGHT? AND I'M GOING TO JUMP IN HERE AND KIND OF DISCUSS WHAT OUR CURRENT REGIONAL HOUSING NEEDS ALLOCATION IS.
UM, THIS IS JUST THE BASIC BREAKDOWN OF, UH, WHICH TYPES OF UNITS, UH, WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE LOOKING TO BUILD THIS AS A CITY.
UM, AND SO KIND OF MOVING ON HERE, UH, LOOKING AT THE DIFFERENT CRITERIA FOR SITES AND HOW THOSE FACTOR INTO OUR CALCULATIONS AND IN MEETING THAT 3,280 MARK.
UH, SO OBVIOUSLY FIRST WE'RE LOOKING AT DENSITY, UM, AND WHAT THAT MEANS IN TERMS OF AFFORDABILITY.
SO YOU CAN KIND OF EXPECT THAT THE ZERO TO 10 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE WOULD BE A MORE SINGLE FAMILY TYPE PRODUCT AND A LESS AFFORDABLE PRODUCT PRODUCT.
UH, THE 10 TO 30 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE, UH, WOULD KIND OF REPRESENT THE MODERATE CATEGORY AND THEN 30 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE AND ABOVE WOULD BE A MORE OF A AFFORDABLE APARTMENT DEVELOPMENT OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE.
UM, ALSO LOOKING AT THE VACANT OR UNDERUTILIZED SITES, AS WE ALL KNOW, THE VACANT SITES ARE GETTING LESS AND LESS.
UH, SO INFILL SITES AND UNDERUTILIZED SITES ARE DEFINITELY, UH, A FOCUS.
UM, UH, THEN ALSO, YOU KNOW, ASSESSING WHAT BARRIERS THERE ARE TO HOUSING, IF THAT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, GOVERNMENTAL CONSTRAINTS OR, UH, PRIVATE SIDE, UH, WHAT, WHAT THE BARRIERS ARE.
UM, AND THEN IT'S WORTH NOTING THAT FOR ALL OF THE SITES THAT ARE PRE-RELEASE PREVIOUSLY IDENTIFIED AND IN OUR HOUSING ELEMENT, UM, IN THE PAST, OR ARE CURRENT OR ALREADY DEVELOPED, IF THEY'RE INFILL SITES, THERE'S A DIS ADDITIONAL JUSTIFICATION THAT WE HAVE TO PROVIDE, UM, WITH THOSE SITES TO THE STATE.
SO IT GETS A LITTLE MORE COMPLICATED WHEN, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE BUILT OUT AS, AS FAR AS WE ARE AND TRYING TO FIND THOSE, YOU KNOW, THE BEST SITES TO INCLUDE IN OUR INVENTORY.
UM, AND SO KIND OF THE STRATEGY SO FAR HAS BEEN TO, UH, LOOK AT THE SITES THAT WE KNOW WE HAVE SOME SORT OF EXPRESSED INTEREST IN DEVELOPING AS RESIDENTIAL, UH, OR SOME
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OTHER KEY FACTORS.UM, THOSE MIGHT BE, YOU KNOW, THE VERY FEW SITES ARE OBVIOUSLY GOING TO BE KIND OF THOSE OTHER FACTORS.
UM, AND THEN ONCE WE KIND OF ACCOUNTED FOR THOSE WHERE WE THINK THERE MIGHT BE SOME POTENTIAL FOR NEW RESIDENTIAL, UH, KIND OF THE FOCUS WILL BE ON THE MIXED USE OVERLAY ZONE AREAS AND THE TRANSIT DISTRICT DISTRICT SPECIFIC PLAN AREA, UH, TO TRY TO FILL THE GAP IN MEETING THAT RINA COUNT.
UM, AND SO I GUESS WITH THAT, WE HAVE A COUPLE MAPS.
I'M GOING TO STOP THE SHARE FOR JUST A SECOND, SO I CAN OPEN UP A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT THINGS.
WELL, SPENCER'S GETTING THAT READY.
I'LL JUST, UM, PREFACE WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO TONIGHT IS TO SHOW YOU KIND OF WHAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED THUS FAR.
UM, AND THEN HOPEFULLY MAYBE SPUR SOME DISCUSSION AROUND, UM, IDEAS WHERE THE COMMISSION WOULD LIKE US TO FOCUS FOR IDENTIFYING ADDITIONAL SITES, OR IF YOU HAVE KNOWLEDGE OF SPECIFIC SITES THAT YOU THINK WOULD BE PRIME FOR HOUSING DEVELOPMENT.
UM, AS SPENCER MENTIONED WITH THAT ADDITIONAL JUSTIFICATION BURDEN, THE BURDEN IS NOW ON THE CITY OF ELKA HONE TO DEMONSTRATE TO THE STATE THAT THESE SITES CAN DEVELOP WITH HOUSING OVER THE NEXT EIGHT YEARS.
UM, AND SO THAT FINDING THAT JUSTIFICATION OR THAT EVIDENCE, UM, YOU KNOW, IS, IS GOING TO BE DIFFICULT.
UM, SO WE'RE LOOKING FOR THINGS LIKE WHETHER OR NOT A PROPERTY OWNER HAS, YOU KNOW, A SHORT-TERM LEASE WITH A TENANT AND IS LOOKING TO SELL THE PROPERTY OR, OR THINGS LIKE THAT THAT CAN SUPPORT SUPPORT THAT THIS SITE COULD DEVELOP WITH HOUSING.
AND THIS WAS JUST A BASIC KIND OF OVERVIEW MAP TAKING THE EXISTING ZONING AND KIND OF GROUPING IT INTO THOSE KIND OF DENSITY CATEGORIES THAT I HAD MENTIONED.
UM, AND THAT'S, UH, AGAIN, THIS IS JUST TAKING OUR EXISTING ZONING AND GROUPING IT TOGETHER AND DISPLAYING IT IN A FASHION WHERE YOU CAN KIND OF SEE WHERE THE AFFORDABILITY LEVELS MIGHT BE MOVING FORWARD.
UM, AND THEN, UH, I THINK ANOTHER ONE THAT WE WANTED TO TAKE A LOOK AT, JUST AS AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT GOES INTO OUR ANALYSIS HERE IS, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, IMPROVEMENT TO LAND VALUE, FOR EXAMPLE, WOULD BE SOMETHING KEY TO SEE IF A SITE IS BEING UTILIZED TO ITS POTENTIAL OR NOT.
UM, AND MAYBE THOSE SITES THAT ARE NOT ARE, ARE, UH, GOOD ONES TO START WITH TO TRY TO RE MEET THAT RENA COUNT AND IDENTIFYING ITS POTENTIAL, UH, FOR DEVELOPING AS RESIDENTIAL.
I'M GOING TO PULL UP THE MAIN MAP NOW THAT WE KIND OF WANT TO DISCUSS, SO GIVE ME ONE SECOND, BRING, SHARE THAT AS WELL.
AND CAN EVERYONE SEE THAT? YES.
IT SAYS MY INTERNET CONNECTION'S UNSTABLE.
SO HOPEFULLY IF I CUT OUT, I'LL HAVE TO LISTEN TO MELISSA FOR CUES, I GUESS.
UM, I DID, I DID WANT TO PROVIDE A CAVEAT BEFORE WE JUMPED INTO THIS MAP TOO FAR.
UM, THE GREEN WERE, WERE SITES FROM OUR LAST HOUSING ELEMENT THAT WERE VACANT AND UNDER UTILIZED.
UM, SO THESE WOULD NOT ACTUALLY APPEAR ON OUR FINAL SITES MAP.
I THINK THAT THE CONSULTANT JUST PROVIDED THEM HERE FOR INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES, BUT SOME OF THEM HAVE ALREADY DEVELOPED OR HAVE APPROVED ENTITLEMENTS FOR HOUSING.
AND YEAH, I JUST WANT TO JUMP OFF AND I GUESS START WITH HOW THIS IS BROKEN DOWN HERE.
SO THE FIRST AND SECOND TIER SITES ARE THE ONES THAT STAFF HAS ALREADY IDENTIFIED AS HAVING SOME SORT OF EXPRESSED INTENT TO DEVELOP AS RESIDENTIAL OR, UM, YOU KNOW, WE RECEIVE QUESTIONS ABOUT IT IN THE PAST, OR IT'S KIND OF JUST AN IDEAL SITE LIKE THAT, UH, SIX ACRE PROPERTY ON EAST MAIN STREET THAT'S, UH, VACANT.
UM, SO THOSE, THOSE WOULD BE THE FIRST AND SECOND TO YOUR SITES.
AND THEN W WHAT WE REALLY HOPE THAT WE COULD FOCUS OUR EFFORTS ON WOULD BE LOOKING INTO THE TDSP THE TRANSIT PLAN AREA AND THE MIXED USE OVERLAY, THE MUO.
SO THE PINK OR PURPLE AND BLUE, UH, SITES, IF YOU HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS IN THOSE AREAS IN PARTICULAR.
UM, SO, UH, I GUESS, SHOULD I KIND OF OVERVIEW THE TIER ONE AND TIER TWOS REALLY QUICKLY? AND I, I CAN SEE THAT MY MAP IS UPDATING A LITTLE BIT SLOWER FOR YOU, SO I'LL TRY NOT TO SPEAK AHEAD OF IT UPDATING.
UM, BUT FOR EXAMPLE, UH, WE KNOW THAT THE PARKWAY PLAZA, UH, MALL IS ACTUALLY WITHIN THE MIXED USE OVERLAY ZONE.
UM, AND IT IS UNDER NEW OWNERSHIP AS FAR AS I'M AWARE.
UM, AND SO THAT MIGHT BE A SITE POTENTIALLY IN THE FUTURE THAT MAY HA UH, YOU KNOW, HAVE SOME RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
AND SO WE'VE IDENTIFIED THAT, SO THE TIER ONE SITE, UH, FOR THE PURPOSES OF CALCULATING OUR ARENA NUMBERS AND SEEING IF WE'RE GETTING CLOSE, UM, ANOTHER KEY SITE WAS THE, UM, DIRECTLY ABOVE THE TROLLEY STATION, UM, THE MTS SITE, UH, AND I BELIEVE THAT THEY'RE CURRENTLY
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THE MOST, YOU CAN TRY IT IN HERE.I'M NOT SURE WHAT STAGE OF THERE IS A MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING BETWEEN MTS AND THE CITY OF ALCOHOL, UM, TO JOINTLY SOLICIT, UM, DEVELOPMENT ON THAT SITE.
AND SO THAT'S MOVING FORWARD, UM, NOT VERY QUICKLY, BUT THE HOPE IS THAT THERE WOULD EVENTUALLY BE, UM, IMPOSSIBLY A HOUSING OR MIXED USE PROJECT THERE.
UH, I KNOW THAT OUR SITE, UH, WE WERE RECENTLY MADE AWARE OF WAS THE, UH, FORMER AUTO DEALERSHIP HERE, UM, ON ELKO AND BOULEVARD WHERE EVERYONE CAN SEE MY MOUSE MOVING THERE.
UM, AND SO, I DON'T KNOW, DO WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT THIS FURTHER OR DO WE WANT TO GET SOME FEEDBACK? YEAH, I THINK WE CAN JUST, UM, EXPLAIN THIS.
SO THIS, THE PURPLE SITES HERE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE WITHIN THE TRANSIT DISTRICT OVERLAY, THE BLUE ONES OR THE, UM, MIXED USE OVERLAY.
UM, BUT REALLY WE'RE NOT CONSTRAINED TO THAT.
WE CAN REALLY AT ANY POTENTIAL SITE THAT, THAT ALLOWS FOR HOUSING AND THAT WE WOULD WANT TO CONSIDER FOR HOUSING, UM, AND I'LL GO HOME.
SO WE'RE JUST KIND OF LOOKING FOR SOME FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMISSIONERS.
UM, IF YOU HAVE SPECIFIC SITES OR IF YOU THINK WE'RE ON THE RIGHT TRACK HERE WITH OUR ANALYSIS OR EVEN BLOCKS OR AREAS.
WELL, I WAS CURIOUS, WE DON'T HAVE ANY SITES NOTED IN THE ENTIRE GILLESPIE FIELD, UM, INDUSTRIAL AREA, AND THAT'S PRIMARILY BECAUSE IT IS INDUSTRIAL, CORRECT? CORRECT.
I KNOW FROM EXPERIENCE THAT THERE'S A GRAND TOTAL OF 17 RESIDENTS IN THAT WHOLE SECTION OF THE MAP.
W WE'RE REALLY LOOKING AT, UM, AREAS THAT ARE ALREADY ZONED FOR RESIDENTIAL, UM, OR MIXED USE, LIKE IN THE MIXED USE OVERLAY.
A LOT OF THE AREA IN AND AROUND GILLESPIE FIELDS IS ALSO CONSTRAINED BY THE AIRPORT LAND USE COMPATIBILITY PLAN.
UM, SO BESIDES THERE BEING MAYBE SOME INCOMPATIBILITIES IN USE, UM, IT'S CONSTRAINED BY THE AIRPORT.
UM, THE OTHER THING THAT I THINK IS WORTH MENTIONING HERE THAT, THAT WE HAVE TO CONSIDER WHEN WE'RE SELECTING SITES IS, UM, THE NEW REQUIREMENT THAT WE BE AFFIRMATIVELY FURTHERING FAIR HOUSING, WHICH IS A MOUTHFUL OF WORDS TO SAY.
UM, BUT I THINK CAN BE DISTILLED DOWN TO THE STATE, DOES NOT WANT TO SEE US IDENTIFYING ALL OF OUR HOUSING SITES AND WHAT THEY MIGHT CONSIDER LOWER RESOURCED AREAS OR AREAS WHERE THERE ARE, IT'S ALREADY MAYBE A LOT OF MULTIFAMILY OR AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE SITES THAT WE IDENTIFY, YOU KNOW, SPREAD ACROSS THE CITY IN VARIOUS NEIGHBORHOODS, ESPECIALLY IN WINTER CONCERN, MORE HIGHER RESOURCE NEIGHBORHOODS.
DO YOU MEAN BY HIGHER RESOURCE? UM, SO THAT WOULD BE, UM, NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE THERE'S MORE ACCESS TO, UM, PUBLIC FACILITIES, UM, UH, BETTER EDUCATIONAL FACILITIES, YOU KNOW, HIGHER PROPERTY TAX RATES, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
SO, UM, THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS AND ALCOHOL WOULD BE MORE LIKE FLETCHER HILLS, ALL OF HILLS AREA, UM, THE SOUTH KIND OF THE PERIMETER OF THE CITY.
WHEREAS THE CENSUS TRACKS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE CITY ARE CONSIDERED TEAM OR A DISADVANTAGED NEIGHBORHOODS.
THEY WANT, THEY WANTED TO BE EQUALLY DISADVANTAGEOUS OR ADVANTAGEOUS.
SO, UM, WITH THOSE AREAS THAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO, THEY'RE PRETTY WELL BUILT OUT, YOU KNOW, FLETCHER HILLS, ALL OF HILLS GRANITE HILLS.
UM, WHAT ABOUT REDEVELOPING THAT THE AREA THAT'S, YOU KNOW, GOT THOSE OLD APARTMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN THERE SINCE THE SEVENTIES, MAYBE DOING SOME CONDO CONVERSION, SOME FIRST-TIME HOMEOWNER BUYS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
I KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF IT PENCILS YET TO, TO DO CONDO CONVERSIONS, BUT THEN YOU REALLY GET THAT HOME OWNERSHIP, FIRST-TIME HOME BUYER DEAL, UH, WHICH I THINK WOULD PUT MORE PEOPLE INVESTED IN THE COMMUNITY WHEN THEY OWN SOMETHING.
UM, ANY, ANY TALK ON THAT, OR IS THAT SOMETHING WE CAN PUT IN THE, UH, IN THE ELEMENT? SO WE CAN DEFINITELY LOOK AT HOME OWNERSHIP AND INCREASING HOME OWNERSHIP RATES, ESPECIALLY MAYBE IN OUR DISADVANTAGED NEIGHBORHOODS, BUT THAT WOULDN'T ACTUALLY NET US AN INCREASE IN UNITS.
SO IF WE DID A KIND OF CONVERSION, IT WOULDN'T HELP US GET TOWARDS OUR RENA NUMBERS UNLESS WE WERE ADDING UNITS THE SAME TIME THAT THE ONE THING I WILL MENTION IS, UM, ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS CAN ALSO COUNT TOWARDS OUR RENO REQUIREMENTS.
AND SO THAT'S ONE WAY, ESPECIALLY IN OUR BUILT-OUT AREAS THAT ARE MORE ESTABLISHED RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS,
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WHERE WE CAN ACHIEVE MORE, MORE UNITS.AND THEN OBVIOUSLY THIS IS A, WE HAVE TO HAVE OUR ZONING, LIKE WE DID LAST TIME KIND OF PREPARED WITH THE IDEAS, BUT LIKE WE BUILT 700 UNITS LAST TIME.
I MEAN, WHAT DOES IT DOES THE STATE IS OUR PENALTY FOR THAT? I MEAN, THERE'S REALLY NOTHING THEY CAN DO.
I MEAN, IT IS WHAT IT IS, IT'S THE FREE MARKET.
SO THERE'S NO REAL PENALTY FOR THAT, CORRECT.
THERE'S NOT A PENALTY PER SE FOR NOT MEETING YOUR RINA PRODUCTION REQUIREMENTS, BUT IT DOES TRIGGER.
UM, IT CAN TRIGGER THE ABILITY FOR SOMEONE TO COME IN AND DO BUY RIGHT HOUSING ESSENTIALLY TO CUT OUT DISCRETIONARY REVIEW PROJECTS.
UM, THAT'S, IT, IT DOESN'T OFTEN HAPPEN BECAUSE IT HAS TO BE COUPLED WITH, UM, UM, YES.
UM, SO, SO BASICALLY THERE ARE, THERE ARE THINGS THAT ARE IN PLACE THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE TRYING TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO INCREASE THEIR HOUSING PRODUCTION.
I, I THINK IT'S LIKELY IN THE FUTURE, WE COULD SEE EVEN MORE LEGISLATION AND, AND AROUND, UM, PENALIZING CITIES FOR NOT MEETING THEIR RITA.
UM, IT'S MOVING IN THAT DIRECTION.
THERE'S MORE AND MORE TEETH IN STATE HOUSING LAW, WHERE THERE WASN'T BEFORE.
FOR INSTANCE, WE, YOU KNOW, IF WE DON'T ADOPT A HOUSING ELEMENT, NOW WE CAN BE FINED.
NOW WE CAN BE SUBJECT TO, UM, YOU KNOW, UM, YOU KNOW, CIVIL LIABILITY FOR THAT.
SO THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT THAT THERE'S A LOT THAT'S HAPPENING IN AND AROUND HOUSING AT THE STATE LEVEL THAT I THINK WE NEED TO BE, UM, AWARE OF.
SO OUR HOUSING ELEMENT, THAT'S HUGE.
WE'VE GOT TO GET THAT DONE, BUT WHAT YOU'RE TALKING BEFORE BY RIGHT, IS JUST SOMEBODY COMING IN AND BUILDING SOMETHING WITHOUT THE CITY'S APPROVAL.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? BASICALLY, IF WE DIDN'T HAVE, UM, SOMETHING IDENTIFIED AS A STANDARD OBJECTIVE, WE JUST HAVE TO APPROVE IT OR AN OBJECTIVE STANDARD.
SO, YOU KNOW, FOR INSTANCE, IF YOU KNOW, THE CITY DIDN'T, UM, UH, OR IF WE DIDN'T MEET OUR ARENA, WHICH WERE NOT OBVIOUSLY FOR THE LAST HOUSING ELEMENT CYCLE, WE IDENTIFIED PARKWAY PLAZA FOR A HOUSING SITE UNDER THIS CURRENT CYCLE.
THAT MEANS THAT SOMEONE COULD COME IN WITH BUILDING PERMITS TO BUILD 500 NEW RESIDENTIAL UNITS AT PARKWAY PLAZA.
AND THE ONLY THING THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO USE TO EVALUATE THAT PROJECT ARE WHAT ARE TERMED OBJECTIVE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS.
SO RIGHT NOW IN OUR ZONING CODE, MOSTLY THAT'S JUST BULK DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, HEIGHT, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT TYPE OF THING, UM, SETBACKS, UM, THERE OBVIOUSLY SOMEONE, THE OWNER OF THAT LAND WOULD BE THE ONE THAT WOULD HAVE TO INITIATE THAT, THOUGH, CORRECT? YES.
SO THIS IS KIND OF A WAY TO KEEP THE STATE OFF OUR BACK STILL IS TRYING TO DO THE BEST WE CAN WITH OUR HOUSING ELEMENT AND, AND ENCOURAGING DEVELOPMENT.
YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, CONE WE SUFFER FROM IS THE POORLY BUILT APARTMENTS FROM THE SIXTIES, FIFTIES, SIXTIES, SEVENTIES, AND A LOT OF THOSE ARE JUST TWO-STORY WALK-UPS, WHICH BITCH I THINK ARE QUITE CHARMING.
I LIVED IN ONE OF THOSE FOR ALMOST SEVEN YEARS.
NO, I LIVED IN ONE FOR EIGHT YEARS AND I ENJOYED MY APARTMENT, THE COMRADERY THAT I FELT WITH OTHER RESIDENTS, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THE APARTMENT WAS FALLING APART SLOWLY.
WE HAD MANY ISSUES WITH THE INFRASTRUCTURE.
THE PORCH WAS STARTING TO SAG.
THEY HAD TO REPLACE ALL THE RAILINGS BECAUSE KIDS COULD ACTUALLY FIT THROUGH THE BARS.
UM, I WONDER IF THIS WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE COULD PUT IN WHERE INSTEAD OF ADDING APARTMENTS IN NEW LOCATIONS, WE LOOK AT SOME OF THE SITES WHERE WE'VE GOT THESE AGING APARTMENT COMPLEXES AND STACK THEM ONE MORE LAYER, GIVE THEM A THIRD STORY, BUT HAVE THEM REBUILD AND MAKE THEM THE HARD PART ABOUT MAKING SOMETHING NICE IS THEN IT COSTS MORE AND WE WANT TO HAVE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, BUT, UH, THE PRICE OF LUMBER HAS GONE UP IN THE LAST 50, 60 YEARS.
ONCE YOU GET OVER TWO STORIES, THREE STORIES, JUST THE WHOLE COST TO BUILD GOES UP.
SO, UM, YEAH, IT'S JUST, I MEAN, WHAT, WHAT ABOUT, UM, MOST OF THE COUNTY, AS FAR AS I KNOW, THEY'VE REALLY SQUASHED DEVELOPMENT, YOU KNOW, AND THEY'RE REALLY TRYING TO SHOVE IT ALL BACK IN THE CITIES, BUT AS YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY WITH THE PANDEMIC, EVERYBODY'S TRYING
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TO GET OUT OF THE CITIES, DO YOU SEE THE COUNTY RELAXING SOME OF THEIR AREAS, MAYBE EVEN ALLOWING US TO WIDEN OUR FRUIT PIN TO THE CITY OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? I MEAN, WHAT WOULD HE, WHAT DOES, WHAT'S THE COUNTY'S ROLE IN THIS? SO THE, THE COUNTY HAS TO PREPARE THEIR OWN HOUSING ELEMENT FOR THE UNINCORPORATED AREAS.UM, BUT YOU'RE RIGHT WITH THEIR LAST GENERAL PLAN UPDATE, THEY REALLY FOCUSED NEW DEVELOPMENT KIND OF WITHIN SOME OF THEIR VILLAGE AREAS.
UM, I THINK IN TERMS, I THINK YOU'RE ALLUDING TO LIKE ANNEXATION POTENTIALLY EXPANDING THE BOUNDARIES OF THE CITY.
UM, THE AREAS WHERE WE WOULD EXPAND IT.
I DON'T KNOW IF SPENCER, YOU COULD PAN MAYBE TO THE SOUTHWEST OR, YEAH, I WAS THINKING KIND OF THE NORTH CENTRAL SOUTHEAST.
I DUNNO WHAT I'M, UM, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'D KIND OF JUST LOOK AT THIS RIGHT HERE, YOU CAN SEE THAT WITHIN THE BOUNDARIES OF THE CITY, UM, AS MUCH MORE DENSELY DEVELOPED AND THEN YOU GO OUTSIDE OF THE CITY AND, OH, YOU'LL LARGE, LOTS MORE RURAL ZONING.
UM, AND, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT WOULD NET US ENOUGH NEW UNITS THAT THE COST OF PROVIDING THOSE ADDITIONAL SERVICES TO KIND OF THAT LOWER DENSITY DEVELOPMENT WOULD REALLY MAKE SENSE.
THERE COULD BE SOME LIMITED CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE AN ANNEXATION, YOU KNOW, WOULD GET US A PROPERTY THAT COULD BE USED FOR HOUSING.
UM, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S GOING TO BE NECESSARILY A VIABLE STRATEGY FOR GETTING TO OUR ARENA, YOU KNOW, OVER THE NEXT EIGHT YEARS.
CAUSE YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS I'M SEEING IS I'M REALLY JUST SEEING THAT THEY'RE REALLY GONNA TRY TO PUSH, YOU KNOW, HIGH DENSITY IN ALL DIFFERENT AREAS.
AND I REALLY FEEL LIKE YOUR LONGTERM EFFECT IS GOING TO BE QUALITY OF LIFE IS GOING TO DECREASE FOR EVERYBODY BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE ROADS.
WE DON'T HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE.
I LOOK AT SOME OF THESE, UH, INTERSECTIONS NOW, AND I CAN IMAGINE ANOTHER THOUSAND PEOPLE A DAY TRAVELING THERE.
I LOOK AT, UH, SOME OF THE AREAS THAT NEED TO BE FIXED AND RATHER THAN FIX THEM, WE'RE JUST GONNA, YOU KNOW, CONTINUE TO, SO I KIND OF SEE WHERE THEY'RE TRYING TO GO.
I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW WE CAN DO THIS SMARTLY WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, DESTROYING THE CHARM OF THE CITY, SO TO SPEAK.
WELL, I WILL POINT OUT, I THINK AN ADVANTAGE THAT WE HAVE THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE LAST TIME IS WE ALREADY HAVE DONE THE MIXED USE OVERLAY AND WE ALREADY HAVE THE TRANSIT DISTRICT PLAN.
SO I DO NOT ANTICIPATE THAT WE'LL NEED TO DO ANY ADDITIONAL REZONINGS IF WE SELECT SITES THAT ARE WITHIN THOSE AREAS.
UM, SO THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S REALLY THAT KIND OF TRIANGLE TRIANGULAR SHAPE AREA AROUND THE TRANSIT DISTRICT AND THEN KIND OF THE DOWNTOWN AS WELL AS, UM, THE BLUE ON FLETCHER PARKWAY AND THEN OVER ON THE EAST MAIN SIDE, UM, AND PARKWAY PLAZA.
SO I, I THINK THAT IF WE FOCUS THERE, UM, YOU KNOW, WE WON'T HAVE TO ADD ANYTHING THAN WHAT'S ALREADY BEEN APPROVED IN TERMS OF ADDITIONAL UNITS TO REALLY JUST HONING IN ON WHAT SITES ARE MOST PRIME FOR DEVELOPMENT.
WHAT'S GOING TO BE EASIEST FOR US TO JUSTIFY, UM, TO THE STATE THAT THESE, THESE PROPERTIES CAN REDEVELOP WITH HOUSING.
MELISSA, WHEN YOU SAY HONE IN, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN SPECIFICALLY? YOU NEED TO HAVE A DEVELOPER MINGLING WITH OUR MONEY WANTING TO DEVELOP IT.
WHEN YOU SAY THAT WE HONE IN, WHAT DO WE HONE IN ON THE DEVELOPER, CONVINCE THEM TO DO IT, OR WHAT, WHAT DO YOU MEAN EXACTLY BY THAT, BY THOSE, I THINK YOU ALMOST DO NEED A BIT OF A CRYSTAL BALL TO DO THE WORK THAT THE STATE'S ASKING US TO DO, WHICH THEY'RE ASKING US TO HAVE SOME SORT OF FOREIGN KNOWLEDGE OF, OF WHICH OF THESE SITES COULD POTENTIALLY DEVELOP WITH HOUSING.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, I KNOW EACH OF THE COMMISSIONERS HAS CONNECTIONS THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY.
UM, AND SO WE'RE HOPING THAT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE SPECIFIC KNOWLEDGE OF A SITE, YOU KNOW, A PARTICULAR PROPERTY THAT YOU KNOW OF, UM, THAT A PROPERTY OWNER MAY BE INTERESTED IN DOING HOUSING OR, UM, YOU THINK THIS IS A VERY UNDER UTILIZED SITE.
THIS IS, YOU KNOW, THIS HAS THE LIKELIHOOD TO REDEVELOP.
I THINK THAT SORT OF, MAYBE SOME OF THE INPUT THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR FROM THE COMMISSIONER, IF, IF YOUR DIRECTION TO STAFF IS REALLY JUST, YOU KNOW, FOCUS ON A SPECIFIC GENERAL AREA AND IDENTIFY, YOU KNOW, AS MANY SITES AS WE CAN IN THAT AREA, THEN WE CAN DO THAT AS WELL.
FOR INSTANCE, IF YOU WANT US TO FOCUS ON THE TRANSIT DISTRICT AREA FOR IDENTIFYING SITES, THAT'S WHERE WE CAN FOCUS OUR EFFORTS.
IF YOU WANT US TO FOCUS DOWNTOWN, WE COULD DO THAT AS WELL.
UM, OR IF THERE'S ANY OTHER AREAS IN THE CITY, YOU FEEL ARE PRIME FOR HOUSING.
FOR ME PERSONALLY, THE TRANSIT DISTRICT, THE MOST VIABLE SITUATION, BECAUSE THE TRANSIT DISTRICT IS A PLACE WHERE, UH, THE NEED OF GREEN DEVELOPMENT AND LOTS OF IMPROVEMENT IS THERE'S OLDER BUILDINGS
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THERE AND LOT OF INDUSTRIAL BUILDINGS.SO I THINK THAT WOULD BE MORE VIABLE THAN ANY PLACE ELSE.
THAT'S A, IT REALLY GRIEVES ME THAT WE LIVE IN AN ENVIRONMENT WHERE INSTEAD OF GOVERNMENT FROM THE BOTTOM UP NOW SEEMS TO BE GOVERNMENT FROM THE TOP DOWN.
THAT'S REALLY A FREEDOM KILLER.
I, UH, I HAVE A FEW COMMENTS AND A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
ONE WAS A, I THINK COMMISSIONER MOROSE BROUGHT UP A GOOD QUESTION ABOUT THAT.
THEY ARE, THE COUNTY IS DOING QUITE A BIT OF, UH, FOR THE RENA NUMBERS.
ONE OF THE BIG THINGS THEY'RE DOING IS TRYING TO DO INFILL DEVELOPMENTS, SMALL DEVELOPMENTS, AND THEY HAVE A LITTLE GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT ACTUALLY HELP YOU TO DEVELOP THESE, UH, THESE PAR PARCELS THAT MIGHT BE ZONE ONE WAY IN ANOTHER.
AND YOU CAN DEVELOP IT WITH, UH, YOU KNOW, 11 UNITS OR, YOU KNOW, 30 UNITS OR SOMETHING SMALL.
UH, SO THERE IS, THERE IS SOME MOVEMENT THERE FROM THE COUNTY, AS FAR AS, UH, UH, UH, MELISSA WAS STATING OTHER, THERE IS QUITE A FEW PLACES THAT, UM, I KNOW OF THAT DEVELOPERS ARE INTERESTED IN.
ONE OF THEM WAS RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM, UH, UH, THE AREA THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT FOR THE, UH, FOR THE CHURCH AND THE HOSPITAL.
THERE'S A, THERE'S A, A OLD DOCTOR THAT OWNS THE SPOTLIGHT OFF OF EVE, EAST MADISON.
AND THOSE TWO PARCELS ACTUALLY ARE OUR ZONE QUITE NICELY FOR HOUSING AND, UH, AND, UH, UH, COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.
AND I THINK IT'S ALMOST, I THINK THE HEIGHT LIMITS EVEN 30 FEET OR SOMETHING THERE.
SO, UM, I KNOW QUITE A FEW DEVELOPERS THAT HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT THAT LOT AND, AND, AND QUITE A FEW OTHER LOTS, I HONESTLY, I CAN SEND YOU A LIST.
UM, UM, I BELIEVE THAT THE ADU IS GOING TO MAKE A GOOD DENT IN THE RENA NUMBERS IN THE FUTURE.
UM, BUT I BELIEVE THAT THAT'S GOING TO BE KIND OF A NICE WAY OF SOLVING SOME OF THE PROBLEM.
IT'S NOT GOING TO SOLVE THE WHOLE PROBLEM, BUT I THINK IT'S GOING TO PUT A GOOD DENT IN IT, IN THE FUTURE.
UM, AS FAR AS THE, UM, THE, UM, HOUSING LMN GOES THOUGH, UM, AND MEETING THOSE RENA NUMBERS OUT OF QUESTION, I POSTED IT, OH, HOW, HOW MANY, HOW MUCH CREDIT DO WE GET HER SR OH, UNIT TOWARDS OUR RENA ACCOUNT.
SO DOES THAT COUNT EVERY SRO AS ONE TOWARDS OUR ARENA ACCOUNT? OR IS IT, ARE THEY COUNTING IT AS HALF OR SOMETHING? WHAT ARE THEY DOING WITH SRS? THAT WOULD BE A FULL UNIT, I BELIEVE.
AND THAT THE, THE, THOSE UNITS WILL GET CREDIT FOR ON THE LAST, UM, HOUSING ELEMENT, NOT FOR THAT ONE MOVING FORWARD.
SO THEN THERE'S A POTENTIAL FOR MORE SRO IS I KIND OF SAW YOU HAD SOME AREAS THERE.
UM, AND THEN I AGREE WITH, WITH, UH, COMMISSIONER SERCO, I THINK WAS HITTING ON SOMETHING THAT EVENTUALLY WILL HAVE TO HAPPEN.
I WENT TO SCHOOL IN SCOTTSDALE, AND I REMEMBER HOW THE AIRPORT USED TO BE THERE AND CONSIDERING THE FACT THAT NOW WITH THE NEW, UH, FUEL SOURCES AND THE WAY THAT THE COMPUTERS CAN RUN THE TANKS OF THE, OF THE AIRPLANES AND HOW WE CAN ACTUALLY GET TO JAPAN AND BACK AGAIN, UM, I USED TO BELONG TO ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE COMPANIES THAT WAS FORTUNE 500 COMPANY.
AND WE WERE ABLE TO TAKE THE PRIVATE AIRPLANES FROM SCOTTSDALE ALL THE WAY TO JAPAN AND BACK AGAIN, AND THEN HAVE A LITTLE APARTMENT OR PLACES AT THE AIRPORT.
UM, AND IT WAS VERY CONVENIENT AND IT MADE FOR A REALLY GREAT, UH, DYNAMIC AREA.
I MEAN, SHOPS ARE SHOWING UP A LOT OF HOUSING AND, AND HAVING YOUR, BEING ABLE TO PARK YOUR AIRPLANE AND THEN JUST SLEEP OVERNIGHT AT NIGHT IN YOUR APARTMENT WAS QUITE CONVENIENT.
SO EVENTUALLY I THINK, UH, THERE'S GOTTA BE SOME, THERE HAS TO BE SOME MOVEMENT IN THAT AREA, BUT, UM, I THINK IT WAS VERY SUCCESSFUL FOR SCOTTSDALE.
AND I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE MIGHT WANT TO LOOK AT IN THE FEATURE, JUST TO CLARIFY ON THAT, UM, COMMISSIONER CABRERA.
SO THE, THE AIRPORT AUTHORITY, UM, IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE AIRPORT LAYERS COMPATIBILITY PLANS.
AND SO, UNFORTUNATELY IT'S NOT REALLY WITHIN THE CITY'S CONTROL TO,
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UM, CHANGE THAT OR MODIFY THAT.BUT I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT COULD USE SOME ADVOCACY IN THE FUTURE.
THAT'S WHAT I'M GETTING AT EXACTLY THE ADVOCACY PORTION OF IT.
MAYBE I'LL GET TO WORK ON THAT.
WAS THERE ANY OTHER FEEDBACK ON SPECIFIC SITES THAT THE COMMISSION WOULD LIKE US TO BE LOOKING AT FOR THE SITES INVENTORY? I HAVE NOTICED THAT THE CALTRANS SITES THAT USED TO HAVE HOUSES, THE HOUSES GOT BULLDOZED PRIMARILY ALONG THE THIRD CORRIDOR.
UM, SO SPENCER, A BIT FURTHER TO THE EAST, BUT THERE, YEAH.
ALONG MELODY AND THEN UP WHERE THIRD RUNS INTO OAKDALE, I'VE NOTICED A FEW OF THOSE SITES NO LONGER SAYING DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION, BUT HAVE REALTOR SIGNS ON THEM.
THEY RECENTLY SOLD A HANDFUL OF THE PROPERTIES.
UH, IF YOU CAN SEE WHERE MY MOUSE IS NOW, I BELIEVE, UH, THIS SIDE AT THE TOP CORNER, UM, THIS LARGER PARCEL, UM, UH, THIS PARCEL HERE, WHICH I, WE HAVE A CURRENT PROPOSAL UNDER REVIEW, UM, THIS PARCEL HERE AND THIS PARCEL HERE.
I WAS JUST CURIOUS ABOUT THAT BECAUSE I REMEMBER WHEN I WAS LOOKING FOR A HOUSE, I CONSIDERED BUYING ONE OF THOSE VACANT LOTS AND BUILDING A HOUSE, BUT THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION TOLD ME THEY WEREN'T FOR SALE YET.
I WAS LIKE, OKAY, THAT HAPPENED WITHIN THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF.
SO I BELIEVE NICE TO BE ON THE PUBLIC MARKET THAN IN THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION.
I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION REGARDING, I KNOW YOU SAID THAT
AND I HAVEN'T DONE ANY IN ALCOHOL AND YET WITH ANY OF MY CLIENTS, BUT I JUST DIDN'T KNOW HOW THE PROCESSES ARE THE TURNAROUND TIME ON THAT FOR THE 80 USE.
CAUSE I KNOW WHAT THE PRICING, WHERE IT IS.
THAT IS VERY, A LOT OF THE PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR PROPERTIES THAT HAVE BUILDABLE LAND AND WANT TO BUILD THE 80 YEARS AND JUNIOR 80 YEARS.
SO WITH THE CITY OF ALCOHOLISM, WHAT'S DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE TURNAROUND TIME IS ON PERMITTING AND GETTING THAT CRANKED OUT FOR ALCOHOL? WELL, I GUESS I CAN ANSWER THE CURRENT, UH, STANDARD IS THREE TO FOUR WEEKS FOR THE FIRST BUILDING PERMIT REVIEW AND THEN TWO WEEKS FOR ANY, ANY CORRECTIONS THAT NEED TO BE MADE.
UM, THAT'S THE STANDARD CURRENTLY, BUT, UH, I THINK MOST, IF YOU WANT TO CHIME IN AND MAKE SURE I'M SAYING IT CORRECTLY, UH, SOME OF THE NEW STATE REGULATIONS CALL FOR US TO, UM, HAVE A STRATEGY TO PROMOTE ADU CREATION.
AND SO THAT WILL BE SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO LOOK INTO IN THE VERY NEAR FUTURE.
SO ONE OF THOSE STRATEGIES COULD BE STREAMLINING OF PROCESSING, UH, UH, OR THERE COULD BE A HANDFUL OF OTHER PROMOTIONAL, UH, OPPORTUNITIES TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PROCESS GOES SMOOTHLY.
CAUSE I KNOW SOME OF THE OTHER AREAS HAVE LIKE CANNED PLANS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT THEY CAN USE TO KIND OF STREAMLINE THE PROCESS.
UH, THE COUNTY DOES OFFER KIND OF PRE-APPROVED SO TO SPEAK, UH, PLANS THAT THEY JUST NEED SOME MINOR MODIFICATIONS BY THE APPLICANT.
UM, AND TECHNICALLY YOU COULD USE THOSE WITHIN THE CITY AS WELL.
WE WOULD JUST HAVE TO GO THROUGH OUR NORMAL BUILDING REVIEW PROCESS SINCE THEY'RE NOT PRE-APPROVED SO TO SPEAK IN ALCOHOL.
WELL I THINK IF THERE AREN'T ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THE STATE'S INVENTORY, UM, YOU COULD JUST GO BACK TO THE POWERPOINT.
I THINK THE LAST ITEM THAT WE HAD ON THE HOUSING ELEMENT WAS JUST TO GIVE YOU AN OVERVIEW OF SOME OF THE ZONING CODE, UM, CHANGES THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO CONSIDER BASED ON STATE LAW, UM, TO IMPLEMENT OUR HOUSING ELEMENT.
SO I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE ARE ALL AWARE OF THOSE AS WELL.
A COUPLE OF THE CHANGES AND IN AROUND SHELTERS HAVE TO DO WITH A NEW TYPE OF SHELTER CALLED THE LOW BARRIER NAVIGATION CENTER.
AND THIS IS REALLY JUST KIND OF A FIRST STEP INTO HOUSING.
LIKE THE NAME SUGGESTS IT'S SUPPOSED TO HAVE A FEW BARRIERS, MEANING PEOPLE CAN, YOU KNOW, BRING
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MAYBE A PARTNER, A PET AND THEIR BELONGINGS INTO THIS TYPE OF, UM, EMERGENCY HOUSING.AND THEN THEY'LL BE CONNECTED WITH A CASEWORKER TO HELP THEM FIND PERMANENT HOUSING.
SO WE DON'T HAVE PROVISIONS FOR THIS YET.
WE'LL HAVE TO ALLOW FOR IT IN ALL OF OUR RESIDENTIAL ZONES OR ALL OF OUR ZONES THAT ALLOW RESIDENTIAL AS WELL.
SO WE'LL BE LOOKING TO ADD THAT IN AS A, AS A PERMITTED USE.
AND THEN THERE WAS ALSO A CHANGE TO, FOR EMERGENCY SHELTERS, UH, PARKING CHANGE, UM, IN THE STATE LAWS.
SO IT LIMITS HOW MUCH PARKING MEMORY WE CAN REQUIRE TO ONE SPACE PER EMPLOYEE ON THE SUPPORTIVE HOUSING SIDE.
UM, SUPPORTIVE HOUSING IS REALLY JUST HOUSING WITH KIND OF A LITTLE BIT OF ADDED EXTRA, UM, SUPPORT FOR PEOPLE TO KEEP THEM HOUSED.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, MAYBE LIKE A SOCIAL WORKER CHECKING IN WITH THEM CAN BE ONSITE OR OFFSITE SERVICES AND THERE'VE BEEN SOME CHANGES THERE, UM, IN TERMS OF THE STANDARDS AND PARKING.
UM, AND SO WE'LL NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE COMPLIANT WITH THE STATE LAW IN SUPPORTIVE HOUSING AND THEN THE NEXT BIG CHANGES HAVE BEEN IN AND AROUND DENSITY BONUS.
UM, SO THE, THE TYPICAL DENSITY BONUS HAS ALWAYS BEEN 35%, WHICH IS THE MAXIMUM DENSITY BONUS YOU CAN GET FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
AND THE STATE HAS UPPED THAT TOO.
SO NOW IF YOU'RE BUILDING A PROJECT THAT'S A HUNDRED PERCENT AFFORDABLE, YOU CAN GET A DENSITY BONUS OF 80%.
UM, SO KIND OF ROUGH MATH, IF YOU HAD.
DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? YEAH.
WHAT IS THE DENSITY BONDS? HOW DOES THAT WORK? EXACTLY.
SO RIGHT NOW, IF YOU, UM, UH, BUILT A PROJECT IN A CERTAIN NUMBER OF YOUR UNITS WERE RESTRICTED FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, AND IT DEPENDS ON THE INCOME LEVEL.
SO IF IT'S, YOU KNOW, VERY LOW VERSUS MODERATE, YOU CAN GET ADDITIONAL UNITS UP TO 35% OF THE NUMBER OF UNITS THAT YOU COULD GET UNDER THE ZONING.
SO RIGHT NOW, IF YOU COULD GET A HUNDRED UNITS UNDER CURRENT ZONING ON A SIZABLE SITE, YOU COULD GET 35 EXTRA UNITS DENSITY BONUS UNITS ON THAT SITE.
UNDER CURRENT DENSITY BONUS LAW, THE NEW STATE LAW SAYS, WELL, IF A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THOSE UNITS ARE A HUNDRED, YOU HAVE A HUNDRED UNIT AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECT.
YOU CAN BUILD 80 EXTRA UNITS BY THE 180 TOTAL UNITS.
UM, SO THIS IS, UH, AN INCREASE OBVIOUSLY PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL, UM, THAT WE'LL NEED TO ADDRESS IN OUR ZONING CODE.
THE DENSITY ON A SLUG GOES EVEN FURTHER AND IDENTIFIES THAT FOR PROJECTS THAT ARE WITHIN HALF A MILE OF A TRANSIT STOP, THAT THERE'S NO LIMITATION ON RESIDENTIAL DENSITY.
UM, SO THE LIMITATION THEN REALLY BECOMES THE BUILDING AND HOW MANY UNITS YOU CAN FIT IN THE BUILDING ENVELOPE AND ALSO WOULD ALLOW FOR A PROJECT TO GO UP AN ADDITIONAL THREE STORIES OVER AND ABOVE WHAT THEY'RE ALLOWED, UM, EVENT CITIES, WHATEVER THE CITY, A GRANDMOTHER'S, WHERE LET'S SAY WE DON'T LIKE TO GO HIGHER THAN 48 FEET.
THEY'RE SAYING THAT THEY WOULD ALLOW IT TO GO ANOTHER 30 FEET ABOVE THAT OVER.
THAT'S WITH ONLY WITHIN, UM, THE HALF MILE OF THE TRANSIT STUFF THOUGH FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECTS.
UM, AND THEN THERE THERE'S BEEN SOME PRETTY BROAD REDUCTIONS ON PARKING REQUIREMENTS FOR DENSITY BONUS PROJECTS TOO.
UM, UM, FOR THOSE, YOU KNOW, NEAR TRANSIT, IT'S ABOUT HALF A SPACE PER UNIT, BUT IF IT'S A SUPPORTIVE, AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECT, THERE'S NO PARKING REQUIREMENT.
UM, AND SO WE'LL BE LOOKING TO HAVE TO IMPLEMENT SOME OF THESE STATE LAWS THROUGH OUR ZONING CODE, UM, IN THE FUTURE.
AND THAT WILL COME PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT LATER AFTER A HOUSING ELEMENT IS ADOPTED, BUT THERE'LL BE PROGRAMS THAT YOU'LL SEE IN OUR HOUSING ELEMENT THAT WILL BE, HAVE TO BE ADDRESSING THESE ITEMS. SO WHAT IF THEY GET A PARKING REDUCTION AND THEN WE HAVE A PARKING PROBLEM, HOW DOES THAT WORK? IT DOESN'T MATTER TO THEM.
YEAH, BUT I MEAN, I'VE NOTICED EVEN PEOPLE ON THE LOWER INCOME, THEY ALL STILL OWN CARS, SO THEY DO WELL, THE STATE LIKES IT BECAUSE IT'S LESS POLLUTION ACCORDING TO THE STATE.
THE STATE WOULD PREFER THAT WE DON'T OWN OUR OWN CARS AND USE PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION.
AND SO THIS, I READ A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT GREEN PLANNING MAGAZINES, AND THE IDEA IS, AND, AND I HAVE TO ADMIT THAT IF I HAD NO KNOWLEDGE OF THE WORKING CLASS, UH, I THINK THIS TOO, IF YOU DON'T HAVE PARKING SPOTS, THEN YOU WON'T HAVE A CAR.
BUT WE ALL KNOW FROM LIVING IN AN APARTMENT THAT WHEN THERE'S ONE PARKING SPOT ASSIGNED, THERE'S TWO WORKING, TWO WORKING PEOPLE WITH CARS, LIVING IN THAT SPACE.
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CAR GOES IN THE SPOT, THE OTHER CAR GOES ON THE STREET, AND THIS IS WHAT WE'VE BEEN STRUGGLING WITH AN OUTCOME FOR A WHILE.THE NEW PARKING BONUSES, THE PARKING REDUCTIONS WOULD ACTUALLY ALLOW FOR A VERY LARGE PROJECT WITH NO PARKING ON SITE.
IF IT'S WITHIN A HALF MILE TRANSIT, THE IDEA THAT SACRAMENTO HAS BOUGHT INTO IS THAT PEOPLE, YOUNG PEOPLE WITH NO MONEY ARE GOING TO PARK CLOSE TO PUBLIC TRANSIT.
BUT PUBLIC TRANSIT STILL ONLY, I THINK WHAT IS IT? THREE TO 5% RIDERSHIP MAYBE.
WELL, THEY'RE ALSO TRYING TO HAVE ON OUR CARS, MELISSA, HOW DOES THE ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE PORTION THAT'S COMING DOWN, HAVE AN EFFECT ON, UH, BONUS DENSITY, CONSIDERATIONS, OR, OR LOCATIONS OF WHERE YOU HAVE TO PUT THE RENA NUMBERS? DOES THE ENVIRONMENT, THE NEW ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE, UH, KICK IN FOR THAT THERE IS THE INTERPLAY BETWEEN ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE AND THE HOUSING ELEMENT AND PART OF IT, UM, IS IT AROUND THAT DISCUSSION THAT I MENTIONED ABOUT AFFIRMATIVELY FURTHERING FAIR HOUSING? SO MAKING SURE THAT HOUSING IS DISPERSED THROUGHOUT THE CITY AND THEN, YOU KNOW, UM, MORE AFFLUENT NEIGHBORHOODS ARE TAKING THEIR SHARE OF, UM, YOU KNOW, OF MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS.
SO THAT, I THINK THAT'S WHERE THAT INTERPLAY, UM, IS WITH ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE WITH DENSITY BONUS THOUGH.
UM, THERE'S NOT REALLY A CONSIDERATION FOR IT.
UM, AND CONSIDERING THAT A LOT OF TRANSIT STOPS ARE ACTUALLY WITHIN KIND OF LOWER RESOURCE OR DISADVANTAGED COMMUNITIES.
UM, THERE IS THE POTENTIAL FOR THERE TO BE MORE UNITS WITH FEWER PARKING AND LESS AMENITIES IN THESE AREAS.
I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAVE ON THIS SLIDE, UNLESS THERE'S ANYTHING FURTHER.
UM, SO JUST TO WRAP THIS UP, UH, WE'LL BE, UM, WORKING ON THE HOUSING ELEMENT OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS, AND WE HOPE TO HAVE A DRAFT AVAILABLE AT THE END OF JANUARY.
OUR PLAN WOULD BE TO COME BACK BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR A WORKSHOP ON THE DRAFT IN FEBRUARY, AND THEN PROCEED TO HEARINGS AND MAY AND JUNE, WE DO HAVE A STATUTORY DEADLINE TO COMPLETE THE HOUSING ELEMENT BY APRIL 15TH OF 2021.
UM, BUT THEY DO GIVE US KIND OF A FOUR MONTH GRACE PERIOD OR EXTENSION PERIOD.
SO WE'LL BE MOVING A LITTLE BIT INTO THAT, UM, JUST SO THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GETTING OUR ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE AND OUR SAFETY ELEMENTS UPDATED, UM, AT THE SAME TIME AND THAT WE'VE GOT ALL THE PUBLIC OUTREACH THAT WE NEED, UM, CONDUCTED, WHICH HAS BEEN VERY CHALLENGING DURING THE PANDEMIC.
SO THAT, UM, CONCLUDES OUR PRESENTATION ON THIS ITEM.
AH, BACK TO NORMAL VIEW, I CAN SEE YOU ALL AGAIN.
I BELIEVE THAT WAS OUR LAST INFORMATIONAL ITEM.
UH, WHEN WE DO IT FOR REVIEW OF OUR PROPOSED 2021 PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING SCHEDULE, DID YOU ALL SEE CHAIR WHAT'S THAT THERE WAS A PUBLIC CHAT COMMENT THAT WE'D RECEIVED FROM PATRICK GRILL UP AND HE GOES, I AM VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THE IDEA THAT THE CITY SHIRT PRIORITIZE PRIORITIZE MEETING IT'S RINA TARGET THE ENTIRE REGION NEEDS MORE HOUSING SUPPLY TO IMPROVE AFFORDABILITY AND DEVELOPING MORE HOUSING OF ALMOST ANY KIND WILL SUPPORT THAT GOAL.
I AGREE WITH A TDSP APPROVED APPROACH TO DEVELOPING HIGH DENSITY, HOUSING, AND M U DEVELOPMENT NEAR THAT TRANSIT DISTRICT.
I ALSO SUPPORT REDUCING BARRIERS TO DEVELOPING HOUSING LIKE PARKING MINIMUMS DENSITY LIMITS, SEE UPS FOR M U DEVELOPMENT.
THESE COSTS WILL EITHER DETER DEVELOPERS ALTOGETHER OR WILL DRIVE UP RENTAL OR MORTGAGE COSTS ON WHAT DOES GET BUILT.
AND THERE ARE NO OTHER COMMENTS.
THANK YOU, MR. BAEZ, MELISSA, IN THE MIXED USE OVERLAY.
WHEN WE PUT THAT INTO PLACE, YOU DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE TO GET A CUP TO USE THE MIXED USE.
THAT'S ANOTHER LAYER ON THE ZONE, CORRECT? YOU DON'T NEED AS CUP UP TO 40 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE.
UM, BUT BETWEEN 40 AND 60 DWELLING
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UNITS PER ACRE, WE WOULD REQUIRE A CUP.I THOUGHT WE HAD DONE THAT TO MAKE IT EASY AND STREAMLINE THAT FOR WHEN THE OWNERS DECIDE TO DEVELOP THAT WAY.
THANK YOU, MR. BAEZ, AND THANK YOU TO PATRICK GORILLA FOR YOUR COMMENTS.
[4. OTHER ITEMS FOR CONSIDERATION ]
COMMISSIONERS, YOU SAW THE PROPOSED 2021 PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING SCHEDULE CONTINUING WITH THE FIRST AND THIRD TUESDAYS WITH THE EXCEPTIONS OF OUR, UH, HOLIDAYS.AND I THINK, WOW, WE MISSED THANKSGIVING NEXT YEAR.
SO WE'VE ACTUALLY ONLY GOT ONE HOLIDAY SCHEDULE MEETING THAT ISN'T ON THE CALENDAR.
THAT WOULD BE DECEMBER 21ST WITH THAT EXCEPTION WHERE WE'RE SET FOR A FULL AGENDA.
IF WE CAN HAVE ENOUGH BUSINESS TO MEET FOR, DO WE NEED ANY, WE JUST SEE THE CALENDAR AND SAY, YEP, WE'RE STILL GOOD WITH FIRST AND THIRD TUESDAYS.
YES, WE, WE DON'T NEED EMOTION.
UM, YOU CAN JUST CONCUR THAT, THAT YOU FIND IT ACCEPTABLE.
AND THEN IT LOOKS LIKE WE'VE GOT A PROJECT UPDATES.
UM, I THINK IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, SINCE THE MEETING HAS GONE ON A BIT LONG, I'LL, I'LL DEFER THAT, BUT I'M HAPPY TO DISCUSS WITH THE COMMISSIONERS INDIVIDUALLY IF THEY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT ANY PROJECTS.
DENNY COMMISSIONER REPORTS OR COMMENTS.
LET'S MOVE ALONG TO MY FAVORITE ITEM ON THIS AGENDA TONIGHT.
WELL, MAYBE NOT MY FAVORITE, BUT IT'S WHEN WE ALL LOOK FORWARD TO THIS PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING IS ADJOURNED TO JANUARY 5TH, 2021 AT 7:00 PM.
I SECOND THAT MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER SERCO SEGMENT BY CONVENTION.
SO TAYLOR, THIS MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.